From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 1 08:26:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB1DQdO7003910; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:26:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB1DQcJk003900; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:26:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.3743126.2b1b6804@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:26:28 EST Subject: Re: Warning! DMV registration defaults charge the anniversary fee To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/30/2002 2:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > A more important aspect of the budget crunch might be the raiding of the > licensure fee fund that supports motorcycle rider training. Exit polls showed that sort of raid to be one of the primary reason the $.0005 "dedicated" sales tax increase failed to pass in the last election. People have become aware of just how easy those dedicated funds are to raid and simply did not believe that the funds would be used for highways as advertised. State after state has raided "motorcycle education only" funds for other uses. Bas&$#ds did it to themselves and wander around wondering why.... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 1 12:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB1HGvO7005419; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:16:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB1HGu21005412; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:16:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <093b01c2995d$62a4c910$8e2e2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <033f01c298df$1a4406f0$20fea8c0@david> Subject: Re: Virginny DMV Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:16:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > [Dave] Yes, but the point of it all was to ENCOURAGE online use by granting > us, in a magnanimous gesture, a pittance for not troubling the DMV commisars > with our petty needs. I agree, it's nice not to have to sit in line for an > hour and be able to conduct business online, my point was there were other > cuts to other agencies that should've come 1st. > Then, Adam goes on to stir the pot more: > I don't know much about the current conditions in VA, but there are creative ways of encouraging less walk-in load on the DC DMV offices and paring it down to those who really need face time with a clerk, for new titles and whatnot. One way it to offer a discount for those renewing registrations for two years and discounts for use of drop boxes at public libraries, mail-in and on-line registrations. Right now I costs me the same, but it cuts in half the opportunities for DMV to screw something up, so it's worth it, I guess, to renew on-line for two years, rather than one. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 1 12:37:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB1HbIO7006115; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:37:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB1HbIYa006108; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:37:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <09b601c29960$3b4d0a50$8e2e2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Black ice Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:36:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 It's time for Uncle Paulie's annual black ice reminder. The intersection of Mass Ave. and New Jersey Ave. was covered in ice this morning, thanks to a busted water main. Be careful out there. DC WASA fixes the geysers but the "little leakers" keep piddling all winter. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 1 20:16:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB21GOO7011507; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:16:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB21GOOF011500; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:16:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015b01c29994$12a1d340$a3765c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Deer doings Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Just saw something a few days ago about a deer on Rock Creek Pkwy at Virginia Ave. -- near Watergate -- it's radar readjustment time. From what I hear, urban bears are next. And the following popped up. It's a longer recount of general deer concerns, but the meatier last paras copied below. Check that surprise no. in neighbor NJ. "4 Wheels, 4 Legs and No Winners" .http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/29/travel/escapes/29DEER.html (may have to register) . .. If I had been thinking, I might even have benefited in one small way from the accident. According to Peter Constantakes, a spokesman for the New York Department of Environmental Conservation, once a motorist has hit a deer and the proper tag has been issued, the motorist is allowed to take the deer home and eat it. That would be a very gratifying meal, if you ask me. Safety Tips HERE are some tips on how to prevent or deal with a deer-car collision, gleaned from the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and the Insurance Information Institute. )B• Be particularly cautious during the mating season, which peaks in mid-November. )B• Slow down if you see deer by the side of the road. )B• If one deer crosses the highway, a second and third may be right behind. )B• Do not swerve to try to avoid a deer; keep your car headed straight even if it means hitting the deer. )B• Report the accident to the highway patrol or local sheriff's department. )B• Don't try to move the deer carcass off the road; leave that job to the professionals. )B• Eat the deer. Is anywhere safe? Hawaii may be the only state that is truly secure from deer-car accidents, but if you're planning a drive in deer mating season, it's worth knowing that some states have a worse problem than others. Not all states collect statistics on deer-car collisions, but here are figures from some that do; all are annual numbers and all are for 2001 except where otherwise indicated. Connecticut 3,098 (2000) New York 8,570 New Jersey 20,100 Illinois 22,933 Ohio 31,586 Wisconsin 45,278 (for year ended June 2002) Georgia 51,000 Michigan 66,993 Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Want a "leapjet" to jump over the cuties. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 1 20:30:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB21UZO7012249; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:30:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB21UYYB012241; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:30:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021202013032.52451.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:30:32 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This past Thur I rode up to Lancaster County, PA, and it was freakin' cooooooooold! It hit my fingers the worst, and I had winter moto gloves on. But they weren't warm enough. Anyone have recommendations for superwarm gloves? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 1 21:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB22mcO7013204; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:48:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB22mZkV013194; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:48:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 21:36:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2002 02:36:29.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E1B6CD0:01C299AB] Yeah........Gerbings! http://www.gerbing.com/ Rob '98 VFR800 From: Isaac Blanck To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:30:32 -0800 (PST) This past Thur I rode up to Lancaster County, PA, and it was freakin' cooooooooold! It hit my fingers the worst, and I had winter moto gloves on. But they weren't warm enough. Anyone have recommendations for superwarm gloves? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 06:10:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2BAjO7016175; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:10:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2BAiV1016165; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:10:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Vacation Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:10:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120206103670.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok, I'm going to stop posting my vacation plans to the list. That's two bike vacations that have been cancelled due to outside reasons after I posted my plans to the list. My bike is _still_ at East Coast and I'm at work today. Ah well, I guess missing "The Storm of The Century" in Ohio was probably for the best. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 08:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2DQiO7017174; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:26:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2DQh1l017164; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:26:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb4nh7GezCPJSkiAOGfLO9w6qjS3gM1cml9Cz1hEZ3rHt3XaMncXSqOUB6n5LKg6yE= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: <010501c29a06$7328cc10$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021202013032.52451.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> www.widder.com You'll never go back once you try electrics. -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Blanck [mailto:thelostshark@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens This past Thur I rode up to Lancaster County, PA, and it was freakin' cooooooooold! It hit my fingers the worst, and I had winter moto gloves on. But they weren't warm enough. Anyone have recommendations for superwarm gloves? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 08:36:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2Da9O7017534; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:36:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2Da9M0017524; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:36:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEB6307.2CC9C9C@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:41:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Isaac Blanck CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens References: <20021202013032.52451.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isaac Blanck wrote: > This past Thur I rode up to Lancaster County, PA, and > it was freakin' cooooooooold! It hit my fingers the > worst, and I had winter moto gloves on. But they > weren't warm enough. Anyone have recommendations for > superwarm gloves? Snowmobile gloves. Toasty below freezing at highway speeds. I also have a snowmobile jump-suit. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 08:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2DipO7017887; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:44:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2Dipar017879; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:44:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:44:43 EST Subject: Re: Deer doings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gB2DioO7017867 In a message dated 12/1/2002 8:16:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > )B· Don't try to move the deer carcass off the road; leave that job to the > professionals. > )B· Eat the deer. ????????? Now that just aint right! Are we allowed to start a fire on the side of the road to cook the thing? Or do we have to eat it raw? It seems to me that a family eating a deer on the side of the road would tend to slow traffic down considerably. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 08:48:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2DmUO7018226; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:48:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2DmUEq018217; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:48:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:48:12 EST Subject: Re: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Thanks for the link. I was planning to got there as soon as I finished reading my E. I will be working at night through January and just _may_ need some electrics. John (just starting to feel his fingers again after last night.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 10:22:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2FMMO7019100; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:22:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2FMLM0019090; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:22:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021202152218.6356.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Black ice To: Paul Wilson , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <09b601c29960$3b4d0a50$8e2e2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There's also a small spot on the HOV lanes of I95/395. One of the new overpasses leaks water onto the roadway. It should be pretty easy to roll straight over that one, but the bike still wiggled this morning when it did. Leon. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > It's time for Uncle Paulie's annual black ice > reminder. The intersection of > Mass Ave. and New Jersey Ave. was covered in ice > this morning, thanks to a > busted water main. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 12:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2H7vO7020161; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:07:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2H7unI020151; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:07:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021202170754.9982.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Deer doings To: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <015b01c29994$12a1d340$a3765c0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: >...Check that surprise no. in neighbor NJ. > New Jersey 20,100 No surprise at all, really. NJ has been overrun with deer for over 25 years. Downtown Princeton has tried programs of providing sterilizing/contraceptive feed, special hunting seasons, etc. to no avail. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 13:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2IP2O7020935; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:25:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2IOuqR020914; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:24:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021202182454.982.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:24:54 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: non-moto: My band is playing at Zigs Thursday night! To: dccyles , Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, I know it is non-motorcycle content, but you guys are the largest community of people I know in the area and we need to get a lot of people out to the show. Here is your chance to support a fellow DC biker in their artistic endevours and have a good time. The band I'm in, ChaotiKa, is playing a show at Zigs on Thursday the 5th of December. We go on at 8PM and will play for about 2 hours. We've got a bunch of new originals, plus covers from the 70s-90s. The cover should be about $8. They have good eats and drinks too. Zigs is located at 4531 Duke Street in Alexandria VA, about 1 1/2 miles east of Landmark Mall. Directions and more information about the club can be found on there website: www.zigsbar.com Hope to see you there, Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 14:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2JDvO7021702; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:13:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2JDvmk021695; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:13:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbELqnfZrv9wFzCHsLCdORmrBqW3vXYcQhQ6FD18PLP1ZgU7Xh2v4Hsm7cbR8oVc0U= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Renthal streetbike bars in the USA? Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:13:53 -0500 Message-ID: <010d01c29a36$f5115320$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I hope everyone had a good T-day vacation. I would like to replace my OEM bars with Renthal Road bars, bar ends, and a cross brace. Anyone know a USA distributor of said items? As best as I've been able to find out, Renthal only sells these goodies to our friends across the Atlantic. We get a full catalog of MX/Off road/ATV bars, of course, but not the streetbike stuff. --jon 2001 Suzuki Bandit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 14:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2JYGO7022197; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:34:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2JYGSm022187; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:34:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f301c29a3a$041bb2e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Non-moto Biking and male infertility Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:34:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 While mostly non-moto, YMMV depending on the configuration of your seat. ------------- Mountain Biking Linked to Infertility By Lindsey Tanner AP Medical Writer Monday, December 2, 2002; 12:45 PM CHICAGO -- Frequent mountain-biking may reduce fertility in men, according to a small Austrian study that adds fodder to a debate over cycling and male sexual function. The research suggests frequent jolts and vibration caused by biking over rough terrain may cause abnormalities, including small scars within the scrotum and impaired sperm production. The abnormalities were found in professional mountain bikers and other "extreme" bikers who logged at least 3,000 miles yearly - or an average of more than two hours a day, six days a week. Dr. Ferdinand Frauscher, a urology-radiology specialist at University Hospital in Innsbruck, Austria, said he studied about 55 avid mountain bikers and found nearly 90 percent had low sperm counts and scrotal abnormalities. Only 26 percent of the 35 non-bikers he studied had similar damage, according to research presented at this week's annual meeting of the Radiological Society of North America. Whether the abnormalities were severe enough to make fathering a child difficult is uncertain, though some of the bikers studied had already experienced difficulty conceiving, Frauscher said. Participants were aged 17 to 44. His study looked at fertility rather than impotence, which was linked to recreational cycling in research heavily publicized in 1997. The earlier findings, by Boston University impotence specialist Dr. Irwin Goldstein, were construed by many cycling aficionados to suggest that men should avoid any cycling sports. Some doctors thought Goldstein's findings were overstated, but the issue has prompted a mini-industry of bicycle seats designed to avoid the compression of penile arteries that Goldstein said occurs during cycling. Such problems may occur on narrow, racing-type seats, Frauscher said. Some newer, wider designs feature holes or gaps to avoid pressure, but these likely would have no effect on the scrotal damage found in the Austrian study, which may be caused by jolting over rough terrain rather than artery compression, Frauscher said. Frauscher said men shouldn't avoid mountain biking because of the study, but should perhaps consider investing in bikes with shock absorbers or suspension systems designed to reduce the jolting. Stanford University urologist Dr. Robert Kessler said he was skeptical of Frauscher's findings. Scrotal varicose veins, which were among the abnormalities Frauscher linked to mountain biking, are usually congenital and not linked to trauma, Kessler said. "It doesn't make sense," Kessler said. Dr. Eduardo Randrup, a urologist at Ochsner Clinic in New Orleans, said the link is plausible but not necessarily cause for alarm. The damage Frauscher found "may well be reversible" and likely would not occur from recreational cycling, Randrup said. Dr. Sangili Chandran, a sports medicine specialist at Christ Hospital and Medical Center in the Chicago suburb of Oak Lawn, said other studies have found similar results but, like Frauscher's, have been too small to be conclusive. "The theory is there, the proof I'm still looking for," Chandran said. Even if the results are corroborated in future studies, very few mountain biking enthusiasts are logging enough miles to worry about any fertility impairment, Chandran said. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 14:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2JatO7022527; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:36:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2JatZl022520; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:36:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:36:44 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone wanna buy a Harley? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2278249C.13A32856.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friend of mine is looking to sell his bike and has had no luck on e-bay so far. Here's the link to what he listed earlier. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872097240 He'll be putting it back up later but, would like to sell it sooner. I'm not sure what his reserve was but, if anyone's interested, I can put you in touch with him. The bike has been taken really good care of and has been kept in a garage whenever not in use. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 16:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2LalO7023519; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:36:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2LakL1023509; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:36:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEBD127.10BDF32@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:31:20 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -Just rode over to Gallows to register my new bike. LINES AND LINES! -Rode over to Centerville...50 people outside and moved 6 feet in one hour! -Looked inside the DMV....had 5 tellers working and they certainly weren't breaking a sweat to speed things up. I think this is a plan to get all of the honest hard working people to move somewhere else. Any suggestions? I'm thinking Leesburg... Carl Parker P.S. I'm moving to Canada! ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 16:43:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2LhiO7023889; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:43:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2LhhN8023880; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:43:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001301c29a4a$9e7bb500$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DCCycles" References: <3DEBD127.10BDF32@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:34:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I once saw a guy yelling at a DMV worker for her incompetence, then the bitch yelled "SECURITY !!!!!!!!!!" Security dude with a big gun escorted the guy outside... DMV workers are wasting tax payer's money! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Parker" To: "DCCycles" Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! > -Just rode over to Gallows to register my new bike. LINES AND LINES! > -Rode over to Centerville...50 people outside and moved 6 feet in one > hour! > -Looked inside the DMV....had 5 tellers working and they certainly > weren't breaking a sweat to speed things up. I think this is a plan > to get all of the honest hard working people to move somewhere else. > > Any suggestions? I'm thinking Leesburg... > > Carl Parker > > P.S. > I'm moving to Canada! ;) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 16:46:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2LkiO7024220; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:46:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2Lki8c024210; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:46:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021202214642.39333.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:46:42 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! To: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3DEBD127.10BDF32@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Leesburg is quickly becoming as bad as northern VA. Move out to Warrenton or even by god West Virginia. You'll be closer to all those fun roads to ride on. Keith --- Carl Parker wrote: > -Just rode over to Gallows to register my new bike. > LINES AND LINES! > -Rode over to Centerville...50 people outside and > moved 6 feet in one > hour! > -Looked inside the DMV....had 5 tellers working and > they certainly > weren't breaking a sweat to speed things up. I > think this is a plan > to get all of the honest hard working people to move > somewhere else. > > Any suggestions? I'm thinking Leesburg... > > Carl Parker > > P.S. > I'm moving to Canada! ;) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 16:47:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2LlUO7024253; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:47:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2LlUS1024249; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:47:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009801c29a4c$a2a66100$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <3DEBD127.10BDF32@carlparker.com> <001301c29a4a$9e7bb500$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:49:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Actual sign at the DC DMV, "patrons using profanity will be served another day." :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shigeru Honda" > > I once saw a guy yelling at a DMV worker for her incompetence, then the > bitch yelled "SECURITY !!!!!!!!!!" > Security dude with a big gun escorted the guy outside... > DMV workers are wasting tax payer's money! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 16:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2LuvO7024929; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:56:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2LuuLS024919; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:56:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DD03@www.email.gmabrands.com> From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: DCCycles Subject: RE: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:52:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" When I purchased my motorcycle in Warrenton I was able to buy the bike, insure and title it in less than 30 minutes. My waits in Alexandria were easily 2-3x that. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:31 PM To: DCCycles Subject: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! -Just rode over to Gallows to register my new bike. LINES AND LINES! -Rode over to Centerville...50 people outside and moved 6 feet in one hour! -Looked inside the DMV....had 5 tellers working and they certainly weren't breaking a sweat to speed things up. I think this is a plan to get all of the honest hard working people to move somewhere else. Any suggestions? I'm thinking Leesburg... Carl Parker P.S. I'm moving to Canada! ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 16:57:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2LvOO7024964; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:57:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2LvOi1024960; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:57:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021202165704.02067280@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:57:20 -0500 To: DCCycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! In-Reply-To: <20021202214642.39333.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3DEBD127.10BDF32@carlparker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Leesburg _is_ northern Virginia.... At 04:46 PM 12/2/2002, Keith Lamond wrote: >Leesburg is quickly becoming as bad as northern VA. >Move out to Warrenton or even by god West Virginia. >You'll be closer to all those fun roads to ride on. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 16:58:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2LwgO7025004; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:58:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2Lwgla025000; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:58:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:01:25 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Carl Parker cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! In-Reply-To: <3DEBD127.10BDF32@carlparker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >I'm thinking Leesburg... They've always been quick and friendly the three times I've gone in and actually cut me slack a couple of times. Dunno about the others but at least you get to sit down to wait if you have to. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 16:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2Lx3O7025043; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:59:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2Lx3lt025039; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:59:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DD04@www.email.gmabrands.com> From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'Troutman'" , DCCycles Subject: RE: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:55:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Leesburg may be in Norhtern Virginia, but it sure is _COUNTRY_. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:57 PM To: DCCycles Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Leesburg _is_ northern Virginia.... At 04:46 PM 12/2/2002, Keith Lamond wrote: >Leesburg is quickly becoming as bad as northern VA. >Move out to Warrenton or even by god West Virginia. >You'll be closer to all those fun roads to ride on. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 17:10:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2MAwO7026320; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:10:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2MAvvO026314; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:10:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008b01c29a4f$a0d36e60$4f5af7a5@de3bw> Reply-To: "cplvfr" From: "cplvfr" To: References: <3DEBD127.10BDF32@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:10:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I just got back from titling and registering my VF500 so I have a beater bike for the winter. I planned on going to the Winchester to do so, but I cruised by the Leesburg location just in case the lines were short. From Rt 15 I could see the line just coming out the front door. So I went all the way to Winchester. There were about 20 people in front of me at the info line. I waited longer in the info line than I did for a teller. It seemed like there were the same number of employees in Winchester as in Leesburg, but there were half as many customers. By the time I left there were only a few people in the info line. I was able to get out of there in a little over an hour. I much prefer riding to waiting so it was no big deal spending an extra 1.5 hours on the road. . Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F > -Just rode over to Gallows to register my new bike. LINES AND LINES! > -Rode over to Centerville...50 people outside and moved 6 feet in one > hour! > -Looked inside the DMV....had 5 tellers working and they certainly > weren't breaking a sweat to speed things up. I think this is a plan > to get all of the honest hard working people to move somewhere else. > > Any suggestions? I'm thinking Leesburg... > > Carl Parker > > P.S. > I'm moving to Canada! ;) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 17:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2MDcO7026659; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:13:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2MDc7S026653; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:13:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008c01c29a50$e85f0e00$4150bc3f@k1100rs> From: "Jeff Hughes" To: "DCCycles" References: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DD03@www.email.gmabrands.com> Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:19:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Unfortunately, the Warrenton DMV was one of those that was closed... Jeff > When I purchased my motorcycle in Warrenton I was able to buy the bike, > insure and title it in less than 30 minutes. My waits in Alexandria were > easily 2-3x that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:31 PM > To: DCCycles > Subject: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! > > > -Just rode over to Gallows to register my new bike. LINES AND LINES! > -Rode over to Centerville...50 people outside and moved 6 feet in one > hour! > -Looked inside the DMV....had 5 tellers working and they certainly > weren't breaking a sweat to speed things up. I think this is a plan > to get all of the honest hard working people to move somewhere else. > > Any suggestions? I'm thinking Leesburg... > > Carl Parker > > P.S. > I'm moving to Canada! ;) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 17:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2MJvO7027012; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:19:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2MJvnN027002; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:19:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021202221954.68553.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! To: dan , Carl Parker Cc: DCCycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Forget Leesburg. It's now as bad as all the others since the closures. Went in there a couple of weeks ago (mid-month) and walked right back out again. It was SWARMING with people and they weren't calling numbers very quickly. The desk to just get a number had a line about fifty feet long. I'll register my new motorcycle in the spring when I pull it out of the basement, thank you very much. Chris Weaver --- dan wrote: > >I'm thinking Leesburg... > > They've always been quick and friendly the three > times I've gone in and > actually cut me slack a couple of times. Dunno > about the others but at > least you get to sit down to wait if you have to. > > Dan > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 17:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2MQcO7027382; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:26:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2MQcxD027374; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:26:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEBDCD7.C2B1419E@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:21:11 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: dan , DCCycles Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! References: <20021202221954.68553.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Front Royal it is! Now if I can find time between my last semester from 8 years of undergrad, work, and above freezing temps...I'd be happy to wheel myself out there. I'd really rather not drive. ;) Thanks Ya'll, Carl Chris Weaver wrote: > Forget Leesburg. It's now as bad as all the others > since the closures. Went in there a couple of weeks > ago (mid-month) and walked right back out again. It > was SWARMING with people and they weren't calling > numbers very quickly. The desk to just get a number > had a line about fifty feet long. > > I'll register my new motorcycle in the spring when I > pull it out of the basement, thank you very much. > > Chris Weaver > > --- dan wrote: > > >I'm thinking Leesburg... > > > > They've always been quick and friendly the three > > times I've gone in and > > actually cut me slack a couple of times. Dunno > > about the others but at > > least you get to sit down to wait if you have to. > > > > Dan > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 17:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2MQgO7027410; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:26:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2MQfM4027406; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:26:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEBDCDB.14811A0F@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:21:15 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: dan , DCCycles Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! References: <20021202221954.68553.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Front Royal it is! Now if I can find time between my last semester from 8 years of undergrad, work, and above freezing temps...I'd be happy to wheel myself out there. I'd really rather not drive. ;) Thanks Ya'll, Carl Chris Weaver wrote: > Forget Leesburg. It's now as bad as all the others > since the closures. Went in there a couple of weeks > ago (mid-month) and walked right back out again. It > was SWARMING with people and they weren't calling > numbers very quickly. The desk to just get a number > had a line about fifty feet long. > > I'll register my new motorcycle in the spring when I > pull it out of the basement, thank you very much. > > Chris Weaver > > --- dan wrote: > > >I'm thinking Leesburg... > > > > They've always been quick and friendly the three > > times I've gone in and > > actually cut me slack a couple of times. Dunno > > about the others but at > > least you get to sit down to wait if you have to. > > > > Dan > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 17:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2Ml7O7028167; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:47:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2Ml6s9028157; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:47:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016601c29a54$f6199fc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DCCycles" References: <20021202221954.68553.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:48:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 For all the bellyaching you hear about DC DMV, I've never had a severe wait. Am I lucky, or strategic in my thinking? I allow sufficient time before expiration dates so I can simply come back if the wait is too long. Both recent bike registrations have been relatively painless, with only 15-20 minute waits for face time with the clerks during evening hours. You are assigned a number and a clipboard from completing your paperwork. When I registered the VFR I didn't have enough time to fill out the forms before my number was called. DC now staggers registration expiration dates throughout the month, another feature of the infamous all-in-one stickers, so the end of the month crunch is no longer a big issue. DMVs cover all their costs, with lots left over to fill government coffers, from the revenues they generate. There is really no excuse for lousy service, other than the fact they have you over a barrel. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > Forget Leesburg. It's now as bad as all the others > since the closures. > > I'll register my new motorcycle in the spring when I > pull it out of the basement, thank you very much. > > Chris Weaver > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 18:48:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB2NmLO7028881; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:48:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB2NmLkp028871; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:48:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002801c29a65$2eaf9af0$51f39bac@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Paul Wilson" , "DCCycles" References: <20021202221954.68553.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> <016601c29a54$f6199fc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:33:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX >>For all the bellyaching you hear about DC DMV, I've never had a severe wait. Am I lucky, or strategic in my thinking? I'll be the first one to regale the list with DC DMV horror stories but I also have to give praise when warranted. Last time I had to go to DC DMV, which was about two weeks ago I went to the Georgetown Park location. Since I was correcting a problem (dealer messed up a new vehicle registration for me) I figured I'd be there all day, but I was actually in and out in about 15 minutes. Pretty impressive. FYI the Georgetown Park location does not do all transactions; check the web site at dmv.dc.gov for a list of what you can take care of there. Sure beats C Street, and the parking garage does not jack you too bad; definitely better than trying to park at C Street. Be advised, though, the Georgetown Park branch does not take cash payments, only credit cards and checks. Cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 19:23:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB30NqO7031494; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:23:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB30NqK1031489; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:23:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:04:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230AB48479@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Really Warm Gloves/Mittens Thread-Index: AcKaLd9N0KPHAeJMTOG8/nyylj1xZg== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gB30NpO7031477 Electric ones from Gerbing.. >>> Isaac Blanck 12/01/02 08:30PM >>> This past Thur I rode up to Lancaster County, PA, and it was freakin' cooooooooold! It hit my fingers the worst, and I had winter moto gloves on. But they weren't warm enough. Anyone have recommendations for superwarm gloves? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 19:44:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB30iNO7031916; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:44:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB30iMkY031906; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:44:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:44:20 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Mobil Speedpass Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone have experience using this? Seems like a convenient way to get petrol without needing to haul the wallet out of inconvenient pockets... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 19:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB30woO7032315; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:58:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB30wnjw032305; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:58:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEC0171.5070307@erols.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:57:21 -0500 From: Steve Price User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been using one for a long time now. Have one on my key ring. Makes it alot easier and faster to gas up.Steve Fish Flowers wrote: >Anyone have experience using this? Seems like a convenient way to get >petrol without needing to haul the wallet out of inconvenient pockets... > >Fish. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 20:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB31CeO7032700; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:12:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB31CeR2032692; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:12:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.112] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:11:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 01:11:33.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB673100:01C29A68] Yes. As long as you like Exxon or Mobil gasoline... >From: Fish Flowers >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Mobil Speedpass >Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:44:20 -0600 (CST) > >Anyone have experience using this? Seems like a convenient way to get >petrol without needing to haul the wallet out of inconvenient pockets... > >Fish. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 20:14:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB31EoO7000571; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:14:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB31EoZV000560; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:14:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021203011442.83544.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Anyone have experience using this? Seems like a > convenient way to get > petrol without needing to haul the wallet out of > inconvenient pockets... > > Fish. > I had one in my jacket. It had a small pocket near the left cuff. It was great for filling up while on the bike. Just wave my arm at the pump and go. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 20:21:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB31LmO7000919; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:21:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB31LlkM000909; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:21:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:21:45 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > Yes. As long as you like Exxon or Mobil gasoline... *shrug* I use what's convenient. Until I moved to Bowie that was always Shell gasoline, so we've been doing the Shell credit card thing. We appear to have moved into Mobil-land now, though, so... Fish. plus they have that bizarre upromise thing, research research From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 21:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3296O7001475; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:09:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB32958B001464; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:09:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEC1382.F1B21844@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:14:26 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > Anyone have experience using this? Seems like a convenient way to get > petrol without needing to haul the wallet out of inconvenient pockets... > > Fish. I use green paper with pictures of dead presidents. No wallet, keep the dead guy pics in a wad in a convenient pocket. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 21:23:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB32N0O7001873; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:23:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB32Mxb3001865; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:22:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e901c29a72$d703e0a0$0e2d2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , "Fish Flowers" Cc: "DC-Cycles" References: <3DEC1382.F1B21844@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:22:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I use the Speedpass. Great stuff. You can use it inside to buy snacks and whatnot too. Of course Milady gets to track my movements that way. I've wondered why they call them "dead Presidents." Two out seven of the Federal Reserve notes in circulation do not depict Presidents, including the highest denomination. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Anyone have experience using this? Seems like a convenient way to get > > petrol without needing to haul the wallet out of inconvenient pockets... > > > > Fish. > > I use green paper with pictures of dead presidents. No wallet, keep the > dead guy pics in a wad in a convenient pocket. > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 21:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB32tVO7002369; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:55:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB32tTQH002359; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:55:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:05:13 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > Yes. As long as you like Exxon or Mobil gasoline... It all burns the same :-) Pick the most convenient fueling station, then the appropriate octane rating. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 22:00:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB330KO7002416; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:00:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB330JDG002408; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:00:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEC1F88.A6A5BC0C@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:05:44 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass References: <3DEC1382.F1B21844@patriot.net> <00e901c29a72$d703e0a0$0e2d2c42@D7XFG711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > I use the Speedpass. Great stuff. You can use it inside to buy snacks and > whatnot too. Of course Milady gets to track my movements that > way. And the tracking is a good thang? > I've wondered why they call them "dead Presidents." Two out seven of the > Federal Reserve notes in circulation do not depict Presidents, including the > highest denomination. Well, I'll bet they were all presidents of something. My sillyness has caused me to be awarded many unofficial titles, and I've served as presidents for a number of actual organizations, including a corporation. But I ain't dead (yet - see fear of "tracking" noted above), so I don't qualify. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 2 23:49:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB34nVO7003597; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB34nVA6003587; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 23:45:20 -0500 From: Cliff Zigmond Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <007a01c29a86$c9270cf0$6501a8c0@cliffzig> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3DEC1382.F1B21844@XXXXXX> > I use green paper with pictures of dead presidents. No wallet, keep the > dead guy pics in a wad in a convenient pocket. > > Bill > So you actually get off the bike?! I never have to dismount anymore. I love Speedpass! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 06:16:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3BGaO7006035; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:16:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3BGZku006025; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:16:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:16:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120306163079.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 02 December 2002 22:05, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > > Yes. As long as you like Exxon or Mobil gasoline... > > It all burns the same :-) Pick the most convenient fueling station, then > the appropriate octane rating. > It may all burn the same but I can tell if I'm riding behind someone who got gas at an Exxon. It's almost as if I'm exposed to tear gas again. It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it's an Exxon tank. > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 07:00:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3C0SO7006531; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:00:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3C0Sxx006523; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:00:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEC9E1C.99B7E073@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:05:48 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Zigmond CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass References: <3DEC1382.F1B21844@XXXXXX> <007a01c29a86$c9270cf0$6501a8c0@cliffzig> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cliff Zigmond wrote: > So you actually get off the bike?! I never have to dismount anymore. I > love Speedpass! Pouring fuel while sitting on a hot bike? No thanks. In 3 decades I've seen two riders try for crispy-critter awards doing that. Rare, but not worth the poser points. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 07:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3CX9O7007000; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:33:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3CX83J006990; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:33:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021203123306.56659.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <02120306163079.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought for sure you were going to say that you have seen bits of Alaskan feathers coming from the exhaust! Glenn --- Carl Schelin wrote: > It may all burn the same but I can tell if I'm > riding behind someone who got > gas at an Exxon. It's almost as if I'm exposed to > tear gas again. It doesn't > happen all the time, but when it does, it's an Exxon > tank. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 07:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3CsZO7007413; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:54:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3CsZs9007403; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:54:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:54:28 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <73BE1408.63152152.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Been using one for about a year now. I've got one on the bike keys and one for the cage. Works great when you can find a Mobil or Exxon that accepts it. During my trip out west in July, both were few and far between and most didn't take the SpeedPass. Hell, a couple were even the old analog/dial pumps where you had to go inside to pay. =8-0 Pretty much all the ones around this area take it making it extremely convenient to get gas without taking off gloves, etc. You can apply online at www.speedpass.com and use any card you want. Scooter In a message dated 12/2/2002 7:44:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > Anyone have experience using this? Seems like a convenient way to get > petrol without needing to haul the wallet out of > inconvenient pockets... > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 07:58:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3CwhO7007745; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:58:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3CwhRs007738; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:58:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DECABC4.4A988A55@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:04:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass References: <02120306163079.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > On Monday 02 December 2002 22:05, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > Yes. As long as you like Exxon or Mobil gasoline... > > > > It all burns the same :-) Pick the most convenient fueling station, then > > the appropriate octane rating. > > > > It may all burn the same but I can tell if I'm riding behind someone who got > gas at an Exxon. It's almost as if I'm exposed to tear gas again. It doesn't > happen all the time, but when it does, it's an Exxon tank. Wayne could have a valid point. Back in the `60s I noticed that Shell and Texaco would leave a tan residue on the inside of my Mopar's dual exhaust pipes, but Esso(Exxon) and American (Amoco) would burn the pipes clean white. This caused a bit of a Daddy fright one time. A time change caught me scrambling back to college, and I had to pick up a babe south of Richmond. Babe's Daddy, concerned because I didn't show on time, called my house and my Mother said I'd left "about an hour ago" - more like an hour and a half, and I was honking down the highway. Daddy walks outside and there's my iridescent blue Mopar backing in to a space, duals rumbling, and pipes stone white. Had to do some fast talking before he let his Princess in my car :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 08:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3DImO7008164; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:18:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3DImhf008158; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:18:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:18:46 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: High Idle Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What's the proper way to adjust for a very high idle? Mine has been quite high for the last couple of rides -- I'm probably violating all kinds of noise codes. Plus... if I'm in gear and let the clutch out, the bike jerks forward much more rapidly than I'm used to. Dropped the bike from a stop last night -- missed the shift into neutral without realizing it, let the clutch out, rear wheel zips sideways and over it goes. Feh. (Normally I'd catch it in time, but with such a jumpy clutch and idle... double feh.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 08:27:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3DROO7008533; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:27:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3DRNwE008524; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:27:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Mobil Speedpass Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:27:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3DEC9E1C.99B7E073@patriot.net> Importance: Normal I do this all the time and I've never had a problem. Getting on and off a fully laden bike is just too much trouble when I'm traveling, so I only do it when I have to take a break. The only problem I've ever had was once I parked too far from the pump and had to lean the bike over to reach the handles. I leaned over past the point of no return and couldn't straighten the bike up as I was trapped between the bike and the pump. I asked a startled lady commuter to help me and all as well. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:06 AM To: Cliff Zigmond Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass Cliff Zigmond wrote: > So you actually get off the bike?! I never have to dismount anymore. I > love Speedpass! Pouring fuel while sitting on a hot bike? No thanks. In 3 decades I've seen two riders try for crispy-critter awards doing that. Rare, but not worth the poser points. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 08:29:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3DTfO7008869; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:29:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3DTedI008861; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:29:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:29:26 EST Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/2/2002 5:47:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > There is really no excuse for lousy > service, other than the fact they have you over a barrel. Gotta agree with you on that one. Just be glad you are not going from VA to MD ( I expect the reverse would be worse right now ) it took me over 2 _days_ to get all the bullshit done and even then I had to hover on the edge of going postal to get it done. They want, no demand, a _birth certificate_ just to go from a drivers license in VA to one in MD! OH and not just the one I have used for *^(# years, OH NO..... The one that got me into school, my first work permit (juvenile), drivers license, marriage certificate and everything else. Not good enough. DMV must stop terrorism. (If I am a terrorist and I have a valid VA license issued not 20 miles away why in heavens name would I bother to switch to MD?) Just another overreaction to 9/11. Just be glad. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 08:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3DZeO7009229; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:35:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3DZdM7009219; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:35:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <169.17f123bb.2b1e0d12@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:35:14 EST Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/2/2002 8:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > I had one in my jacket. It had a small pocket near the > left cuff. It was great for filling up while on the > bike. Just wave my arm at the pump and go. > If the pump can read it remotely what is to stop a thief from reading/copying it as they walk past you? I mean once they have it they would not need a password or anything else. would they? Paranoid minds want to know. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 08:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3DdLO7009556; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:39:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3DdLJO009550; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:39:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212031339.IAA11510@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: tips to avoid deer Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:39:20 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Deer doings HERE are some tips )B• If one deer crosses the highway, a second and third may be right behind. yes, they are like nuns, they don't travel alone. )B• Eat the deer. AMEN, we are particularily enjoying the one we got off of River Road a few weeks ago. Lisa --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 08:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3DfXO7009603; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:41:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3DfX3H009593; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:41:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <122.1b4e1a6b.2b1e0e87@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:41:27 EST Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/3/2002 6:16:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > It's almost as if I'm exposed to tear gas again. It doesn't > happen all the time, but when it does, it's an Exxon tank. Find some Aviation fuel or race gas and sniff it. THAT is what gas used to smell like out of the pump. We used to throw away gas that smelled like the shit that comes "fresh" out of the pump these days. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 08:52:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3DqLO7010264; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:52:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3DqK5j010254; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:52:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: A couple of sites Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:51:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://sepnet.com/cycle/racing.htm http://www.pashnit.com/motoroads.htm The above sites might be worth taking a look at the Pashnit.com is a nice site detailing quite a few rides around California and a few other places. I'm going to have to get back out there. The sepnet is a link list. L8tr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 09:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3EH1O7010686; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:17:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3EH1LA010678; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:17:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: tips to avoid deer Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:17:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230AB486DB@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: tips to avoid deer Thread-Index: AcKa1pl+gKpLeU7MTwKPYNnaLsHL2w== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gB3EH0O7010664 Ewww. Eating a corpse from the side of the road....Barbarians you are... George >>> lisagoddard@XXXXXX 12/03/02 08:39AM >>> Eat the deer. AMEN, we are particularily enjoying the one we got off of River Road a few weeks ago. Lisa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 09:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3ElJO7011156; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:47:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3ElIii011146; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:47:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021203144716.50004.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: High Idle To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On the bikes that I've owned, there's always been a small knob that you turn to change the idle speed. Check your owner's manual and see if there is one. Usually the correct idle speed is somewhere between 1000-1500 rpm. Again, look at that manual. Also, you might find that your throttle cables are too tight. Right where the cables come away from the bar, there should be a pair of nuts that you can back out and snug against each other. Fiddle with this until you have a few millimeters of play between fully-closed and tension on the cables. Yet again, RTFM*. If this is all normal, I'd say you have a carb issue (assuming your bike is carbed) and for that you'll want to talk to others on the list. Chris Weaver *Old acronym: "Read The F-ing Manual." --- Fish Flowers wrote: > What's the proper way to adjust for a very high > idle? > > Mine has been quite high for the last couple of > rides -- I'm probably > violating all kinds of noise codes. Plus... if I'm > in gear and let the > clutch out, the bike jerks forward much more rapidly > than I'm used to. > Dropped the bike from a stop last night -- missed > the shift into neutral > without realizing it, let the clutch out, rear wheel > zips sideways and > over it goes. Feh. (Normally I'd catch it in time, > but with such a jumpy > clutch and idle... double feh.) > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 09:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3EwjO7011625; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:58:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3EwjeE011617; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:58:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212031458.PZA55059@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:58:47 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Gotta agree with you on that one. >Just be glad you are not going from VA to MD ...it took me over 2 _days_ to get all the bullshit done and >even then I had to hover on the edge of going postal to get it done. [Dave] I could regale you with MD MVA horror stories; not just happening to me... The worst has to be a guy in front of me in line as a 'compulsory insurance violator'. MVA witheld his registration and license renewal. The fine was $7800.00, the car was a Dodge Dart... . MD MVA's have a history of infamy. That's why you see police in the MVA, not just rent a cops - several instances of angry customers retaliating... Whatever you do, don't EVER fill out info on a title in MD. Take it to MVA and compel them to instruct you on what to fill out. If so much as one field is incorrect, you get to either wait 6-8 weeks for new title or go to Glen Burnie MVA to wait 3 - 4 hours for new title... I've seen lots of customers suffer this fate in my MVA dealings... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 10:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3FWYO7012156; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:32:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3FWX9V012148; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:32:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DECB2ED.52261A28@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:34:38 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! References: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DD03@www.email.gmabrands.com> <008c01c29a50$e85f0e00$4150bc3f@k1100rs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went to the winchester DMV and was in and out in about 20 minutes. Jeff Hughes wrote: > > Unfortunately, the Warrenton DMV was one of those that was closed... > > Jeff > > > When I purchased my motorcycle in Warrenton I was able to buy the bike, > > insure and title it in less than 30 minutes. My waits in Alexandria were > > easily 2-3x that. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: DCCycles > > Subject: VA-DMV GAAAAHHH!!! > > > > > > -Just rode over to Gallows to register my new bike. LINES AND LINES! > > -Rode over to Centerville...50 people outside and moved 6 feet in one > > hour! > > -Looked inside the DMV....had 5 tellers working and they certainly > > weren't breaking a sweat to speed things up. I think this is a plan > > to get all of the honest hard working people to move somewhere else. > > > > Any suggestions? I'm thinking Leesburg... > > > > Carl Parker > > > > P.S. > > I'm moving to Canada! ;) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 10:37:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3FboO7012525; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:37:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3FbnBS012518; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:37:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [158.59.27.31] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:36:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 15:36:43.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8058800:01C29AE1] Anybody believe in the theory that you should use one brand of gas and if possible from the same station? >From: Wayne Edelen >It all burns the same :-) Pick the most convenient fueling station, _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 10:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3FnXO7012729; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:49:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3FnVC6012713; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:49:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6A59@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: tips to avoid deer Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:49:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hysterical rant on deer. It goes on a bit too much about Cuba and enviromentalists, but an amusing tale nonetheless. http://www.lewrockwell.com/fontova/fontova26.html Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "If your named Will and you are in the army do you get worried when people say fire at will?" * Eat the deer. AMEN, we are particularily enjoying the one we got off of River Road a few weeks ago. Lisa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 10:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3FrWO7013363; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:53:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3FrV4E013356; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:53:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Anybody believe in the theory that you should use one brand of gas and if > possible from the same station? > Yep, I try to stick with Exxon, but Texaco, Amoco and Chevron will do. I try to avoid the cheapo places. Back in the 80's I think BMW did their own tests on gasoline and most of the less know places did rather poorly. I believe CR had an article as well. I'm sure things have improved since but I'd rather pay $.01 a gallon for the good stuff. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 11:00:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3G0DO7013735; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:00:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3G0DBM013727; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:00:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:00:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031100.AA103023214@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Cliff Zigmond > >So you actually get off the bike?! I never have to dismount anymore. I >love Speedpass! I'd be afraid of gassing my crotch. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 11:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3GD5O7014146; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:13:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3GD57Y014140; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:13:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021203161258.30016.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Suz Bandit 1200 Aftermarket Exhaust To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've got a friend with a Bandit 1200 asking me about an aftermarket exhaust. Any recommendations on a canister that works well with this bike? Thanks, Steve "Dulles Toll Road Crusader" Clark '01 Suz DRZ400s __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 11:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3GKwO7014513; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:20:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3GKwNR014506; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:20:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e301c29ae8$2f3cd040$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20021203144716.50004.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: High Idle Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:17:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Here's another thing to check along with the idle settings. Your choke cable might be sticking, especially in cold weather. A cable lubing is a good thing to perform as part of a winterization plan. The choke operation on my Nighthawk got a little funky and lubing the cable cleared up the problem. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > On the bikes that I've owned, there's always been a > small knob that you turn to change the idle speed. > Check your owner's manual and see if there is one. > Usually the correct idle speed is somewhere between > 1000-1500 rpm. Again, look at that manual. > > Also, you might find that your throttle cables are too > tight. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 11:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3GTuO7014873; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:29:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3GTu32014863; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:29:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:29:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200212031100.AA103023214@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <200212031100.AA103023214@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212031129507D.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 03 December 2002 11:00, Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Cliff Zigmond > > >So you actually get off the bike?! I never have to dismount anymore. I > >love Speedpass! > > I'd be afraid of gassing my crotch. > One time when I put the nozzle into the tank, it didn't go past the guard. I hit the handle and it sprayed gasoline all the way to the back of the bike and on me, standing next to it. I'm _much_ more careful now. > Chris Norloff Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 11:42:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3GgkO7015283; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:42:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3GgjBg015273; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:42:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021203164243.8340.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: DC Insurance To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Grrr...Progressive will not insure anyone in DC. Any bike insurer recommendations? THanks ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 11:51:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3GpwO7015651; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:51:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3GpvdL015641; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:51:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:51:53 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: DC Insurance In-Reply-To: <20021203164243.8340.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Grrr...Progressive will not insure anyone in DC. Any bike insurer > recommendations? I recently switched my bike (and cage) insurance over to State Farm. Rates dropped drastically, and coverage increased. Hard to go wrong there. Of course, there was also the small matter of getting married, buying a house, and the long-awaited one-year anniversary of my insurance violation... which changed me from effectively uninsurable to eminently so. Still -- I've been very happy with our State Farm agent. Dunno if they insure bikes in DC, but I suspect they do. My only criticism is that while they offer (cheap!) roadside assistance on their cage policies, they don't offer it at all on bikes. Very sad. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 11:55:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3GtbO7015994; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:55:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3GtbSJ015987; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:55:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021203165529.32966.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:55:29 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: DC Insurance To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021203164243.8340.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You've got to be joking!!! Have you tried State Farm? I would stay away from Gieco. I had a Car stolen and went through all kinds of hell trying to get paid for damages once the car was recovered!! my $0.02 Nick --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Grrr...Progressive will not insure anyone in DC. > Any > bike insurer recommendations? THanks > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 11:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3GveO7016037; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:57:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3GveV3016029; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:57:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:57:37 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Widder controller cable Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Biking is rapidly becoming one of those things I do because I'm stubborn and like to triumph over adversity, rather than something I do simply because it's fun. I futzed around with the bike this morning for a while (I seem to have resolved my high-idle issue by adjusting the throttle cable), then got on to ride to work... only to notice that one of the cables for my Widder vest controller appears to have frayed (and separated) near the plug. So... no heat. Suck. Is this something I can resolve by just stripping a bit more of the wire and somehow working it into the plug, or do I need a new controller entirely? I'm still playing the motorcycling-on-the-cheap game, so anything I can do myself is a plus. Them controllers is expensive. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 12:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3HL2O7016822; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:21:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3HL1Ec016814; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:21:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa7WzaTZESGjxbYc8kQtKXeCvKat2NeX+n4qu6nURb5cd+BxUwOC3FSJJwsRVGnvlU= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Tight Squeeze Racing'" , Subject: RE: Suz Bandit 1200 Aftermarket Exhaust Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:20:58 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c29af0$59193d10$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021203161258.30016.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal I've got the complete Holeshot system (www.holeshot.com), with the regular size (not the short nor the longer touring version). I've got the "quiet" core. I'd imagine the "race" core is very loud. Mine is ok at very small throttle openings, it is *loud* at WFO. Advantages: Reasonable cost, high-temp coating (Hyper or some other 3rd party vendor), great performance, same vendor makes matched jet kits (stage I is needles and jets, stage II is pod filters, needles, and jets), great vendor support (call them up, the owner will talk to you). The "canister" includes a new elbow pipe (the stock one is v. restrictive). Disadvantages: High temp coating not as durable as chrome, loud. Many have been *very* happy with Akrapovic. Tell your friend to go to www.maximum-suzuki.com. There's a great Bandit board (also a DR board for yourself), with a good search engine. --jon 01 Suz00k Bandito Grande -----Original Message----- From: Tight Squeeze Racing [mailto:tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Suz Bandit 1200 Aftermarket Exhaust I've got a friend with a Bandit 1200 asking me about an aftermarket exhaust. Any recommendations on a canister that works well with this bike? Thanks, Steve "Dulles Toll Road Crusader" Clark '01 Suz DRZ400s __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 12:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3HP4O7017161; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:25:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3HP4Ef017157; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:25:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Suz Bandit 1200 Aftermarket Exhaust Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:29:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230AB1858C@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Suz Bandit 1200 Aftermarket Exhaust Thread-Index: AcKa8OKJzCuUlQm6SO2ig60fL+c9JA== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gB3HP2O7017145 I think Dale walker? and Holeshot are the Bandit pros. Look in the back of a recent Motorcyclist. George >>> Tight Squeeze Racing 12/03/02 11:12AM >>> I've got a friend with a Bandit 1200 asking me about an aftermarket exhaust. Any recommendations on a canister that works well with this bike? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 12:54:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3HsxO7017624; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:54:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3HswtB017614; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:54:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:52:57 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0D2807B0.24714311.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It actually doesn't transmit very far. You have to be almost right on top of the Place SpeedPass Here spot for it to work. Plus, I think it also needs the receiver to actually activate it. A thief trying to steal your SpeedPass transponder info would have to get REAL close to you to do it.. Scooter (just my .02) In a message dated 12/3/2002 8:35:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > > > In a message dated 12/2/2002 8:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > I had one in my jacket. It had a small pocket near the > > left cuff. It was great for filling up while on the > > bike. Just wave my arm at the pump and go. > > > > If the pump can read it remotely what is to stop a thief from reading/copying > it as they walk past you? I mean once they have it they > would not need a > password or anything else. would they? > Paranoid minds want to know. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 14:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3JF0O7018377; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:15:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3JExs8018367; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:14:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaOeENDnTcbfrxnm8PAABsxkQSVKhjEe1bHVHGEj2BnmLCLXBLNTiY25MTk/fGdr18= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Mobil Speedpass Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c29b00$445bfe20$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I've had gasoline all over my crotch before. I won't risk getting that sensation again. --jon -----Original Message----- (various posters gas their bikes up while on them) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 15:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3KH0O7019047; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:17:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3KGxff019037; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:16:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021203201657.46564.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- rich hall wrote: > Anybody believe in the theory that you should use one brand of gas > and if possible from the same station? if you're trying to run some sort of experiment and you want to control for the fuel and remove it as a variable, sure. Other than that, hell no. I buy 2nd tier gas whenever I can. Normally Crown brand. When I'm in Spotsylvania I'll buy from a particular set of Amoco gas stations or the WaWa depending on where I am because I know they undercut everybody else nearby on price from 4 to 10 cents. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 15:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3KOMO7019410; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:24:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3KOMCq019404; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:24:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:24:20 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass In-Reply-To: <20021203201657.46564.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > --- rich hall wrote: > > Anybody believe in the theory that you should use one brand of gas > > and if possible from the same station? > > if you're trying to run some sort of experiment and you want to control > for the fuel and remove it as a variable, sure. Other than that, hell > no. I buy 2nd tier gas whenever I can. Normally Crown brand. When I'm > in Spotsylvania I'll buy from a particular set of Amoco gas stations or > the WaWa depending on where I am because I know they undercut everybody > else nearby on price from 4 to 10 cents. Besides price, I have heard from a couple of gear heads that the "freshness" of gas is also somewhat important, and that if you find a busy gas station that is constantly getting new tankfuls, that's going to be better gas. YMMV. The Sterling costco has like 12 or 6 pumps and often lines. I see a truck filling the inground tanks at least once a day. I don't know what tier gas they use. I suspect they buy wholesale whatever bits of gas they can find at the cheapest price. -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX Little bunny Cthulhu hopping through the forest, www.ginch.org picking up fieldmice and ripping out their souls. Your screams, my music. Fight the break of dawn. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 15:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3KUeO7019774; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:30:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3KUeXb019768; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:30:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021203203037.95905.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: Dave Paper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That fresh thing is true. They all buy the same gas. Its a commodity. There additives are whats different. --- Dave Paper wrote: > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > > > > --- rich hall wrote: > > > Anybody believe in the theory that you should > use one brand of gas > > > and if possible from the same station? > > > > if you're trying to run some sort of experiment > and you want to control > > for the fuel and remove it as a variable, sure. > Other than that, hell > > no. I buy 2nd tier gas whenever I can. Normally > Crown brand. When I'm > > in Spotsylvania I'll buy from a particular set of > Amoco gas stations or > > the WaWa depending on where I am because I know > they undercut everybody > > else nearby on price from 4 to 10 cents. > > Besides price, I have heard from a couple of gear > heads that the > "freshness" of gas is also somewhat important, and > that if you find a busy > gas station that is constantly getting new tankfuls, > that's going to be > better gas. YMMV. The Sterling costco has like 12 > or 6 pumps and often > lines. I see a truck filling the inground tanks at > least once a day. > > I don't know what tier gas they use. I suspect they > buy wholesale whatever > bits of gas they can find at the cheapest price. > > -dave > > -- > cerberus@XXXXXX > Little bunny Cthulhu hopping through the forest, > www.ginch.org > picking up fieldmice and ripping out their souls. > Your screams, my music. > Fight the break of dawn. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 16:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3Lq4O7020643; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:52:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3Lq3KT020633; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:52:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <169.17f123bb.2b1e0d12@aol.com> References: <169.17f123bb.2b1e0d12@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 03 Dec 2002 16:51:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1038952316.10183.28.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 08:35, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > If the pump can read it remotely what is to stop a thief from reading/copying > it as they walk past you? I mean once they have it they would not need a > password or anything else. would they? > Paranoid minds want to know. It's actually a two-way communication using an encrypted symmetric key method of security. Speedpass fobs are active, not passive - they contain a battery and chip and actually "talk" to the pump. You have to replace the speedpass every 2-3 years due to battery life. Intercepting/Recording a single transmission from the pump and/or speedpass wouldn't do you any good (the key changes for each transaction) - you'd need to break the encryption scheme, then build a device that was able to answer the pump's interrogation with the proper encrypted response (containing someone else's account info). - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 17:32:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3MWsO7021228; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:32:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3MWsqu021222; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:32:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 3 Dec 2002 22:32:50 GMT Message-ID: <001601c29b1b$983c34e0$a09bd73f@oemcomputer> From: "Alex & Kris Morse" To: Subject: alternatives to bungee nets? Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:30:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi All, Do any of you have ideas for an alternative to bungee nets? I'm getting a little tired of replacing them after they stretch out and I've never been entirely confident about their stability when strapping down bulky stuff or riding at higher speeds. Thanks for any help, Alex Mt. Pleasant 01 Bandito Nekkido From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 18:01:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3N1YO7021739; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:01:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3N1YEg021729; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:01:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021203175956.0614b530@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:10:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:56 AM 12/3/02 -0500, dan wrote: > > Anybody believe in the theory that you should use one brand of gas and if > > possible from the same station? > > > >Yep, I try to stick with Exxon, but Texaco, Amoco and Chevron will do. I >try to avoid the cheapo places. Back in the 80's I think BMW did their >own tests on gasoline and most of the less know places did rather poorly. >I believe CR had an article as well. I'm sure things have improved since >but I'd rather pay $.01 a gallon for the good stuff. > >Dan What is the 'good stuff'? You can't measure any difference from one pump to another or one brand to another. Most newer, naturally aspirated cars, make the most power on whatever 87 octane crap you can throw into the tank due to computer control, advanced combustion chamber designs and closed loop/mass air fuel injection systems. Again, just run the recommended octane fuel and fill up where it's convenient. Of course, that's just my opinion... ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 18:06:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3N60O7022089; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:06:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3N5x8R022082; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:05:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021203181037.0614adb0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:14:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Suz Bandit 1200 Aftermarket Exhaust In-Reply-To: <20021203161258.30016.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:12 AM 12/3/02 -0800, you wrote: >I've got a friend with a Bandit 1200 asking me about an aftermarket >exhaust. Any recommendations on a canister that works well with this >bike? > >Thanks, > >Steve "Dulles Toll Road Crusader" Clark >'01 Suz DRZ400s Dude I know online just put a Hindle on his Bandit. I can find pics and stuff if you want me to dig it up :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 18:08:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3N8BO7022427; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:08:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB3N8BPW022412; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:08:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021203181508.061497e0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:16:55 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: DC Insurance In-Reply-To: <20021203164243.8340.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:42 AM 12/3/02 -0800, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Grrr...Progressive will not insure anyone in DC. Any >bike insurer recommendations? THanks I've had good luck with Motorcycle Services. I have a shitload of cars, a car hauler, a house, married, 30yrs old, 1 ticket, no accidents and they had the best rate for my 'Busa :-) I have killer rates from Allstate on my cages/house, but they wanted an arm and a leg for insurance, even just liability and comprehensive, not even full coverage. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 21:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB42vgO7025585; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:57:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB42vaTG025575; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:57:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DED7060.FB269919@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:02:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rich hall wrote: > Anybody believe in the theory that you should use one brand of gas and if > possible from the same station? No. Convenience prompts me to use the station near my house rather often, but I'll use a variety of gas brands over the year. Fill tank, hit starter - engine runs, no problem. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 22:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB43OSO7026033; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:24:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB43OSQv026023; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:24:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204032426.87248.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:24:25 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1038952316.10183.28.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > It's actually a two-way communication using an encrypted symmetric > key > method of security. Speedpass fobs are active, not passive - they > contain a battery and chip and actually "talk" to the pump. You have > to > replace the speedpass every 2-3 years due to battery life. > > Intercepting/Recording a single transmission from the pump and/or > speedpass wouldn't do you any good (the key changes for each > transaction) Ok Roach, tell us how they go about this then? If it is indeed symmetric keys, then said keys are either static (every device has the same key or uses a subset of well-known keys), or it's based on some kind of seed ala SecureID which uses time and the pumps have a well controlled source of time information, or there has to be a secure key-echange mechanism. I find the latter rather far fetched if I may say so. In any event assuming you have intercepted a key-fob transmission the crypto isn't likely to be very extensive and can be cracked brute force fairly quickly. Obviously you'd have to know what the unencrypted information looks like but the data-format shouldn't be too hard to come by. My guess it's really just an ID number (which begs the question why use encryption in the first place) and it's totally up to the back-end systems to look up said ID and pull up the charge-card and complete the billing transaction. Clearly, posession of the fob is the only user authentication being utilized therefore, like cell phones, cloning them should be straightforward if one were so inclined. Purhaps Exxon et. al. have logic to detect impossible key-fob usage patterns that would indicate cloning but then again, maybe not. I'm just waiting for somebody to make a trojan'ed gas pump unit that while behaving normally also surepticiously copies off the useful information and transmits it say wirelessly to the bad guy who can have free gas for the rest of his life. (that is if he doesn't get greedy and try to charge hundreds of $$ at a time) How many of you have your checking account hooked to these things??? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 23:08:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB448pO7026538; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:08:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB448oGL026528; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:08:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gas Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:57:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2002 03:57:38.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[493408E0:01C29B49] After spending a few years in the Gulf of Mexico area (i.e. New Orleans, Houston and Galveston) I have some sad new for all of you gasaholics... it all comes from the same source.... Petroleum is Petroleum.... the refinerys do add a bit of this and that and sometimes you would see quite a few different trucks pulling out of the same facility. In other words, they mix it on the spot (outsourcing). I buy all kinds of gas from Sheetz to Citgo to Exxon to Mobile to Amoco, I get the same mileage and no valve clatter from any of them... as long as it's premium grade. My truck is EFI and every 30k or so when in for servicing I have the service center give the fuel system a cleaning (chemical). Good mileage no valve clatter. As far as I'm concerned it's really a matter of PR... unless you get avgas... which ROCKS! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 23:17:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB44HmO7026897; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:17:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB44Hm1a026888; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:17:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gassing up Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 04:05:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2002 04:05:42.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[69AE7000:01C29B4A] By the way... talking on Cell phones while gassing up is NOT intrinsically safe... in other words... given the "right" conditions you could start a blaze. It happens. Any one ever notice a DO NOT USE CELL PHONE sign(s) around blasting areas? There's one on the 234 bypass outside of Manassas... hmm. I wonder if anyone REALLY shuts down their cell when passing the area? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 3 23:59:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB44x8O7027439; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:59:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB44x8Oi027431; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:59:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Tight Squeeze Racing" , Subject: RE: Suz Bandit 1200 Aftermarket Exhaust Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021203161258.30016.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Have him call Philip in service at Cycles USA (301) 460-1600. He has a Bandit 1200 and could probably recommend things. As for me, I no longer work at Cycles USA, they had to hire the boss' son and let me go for no money in the season. Scott Russell -----Original Message----- From: Tight Squeeze Racing [mailto:tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Suz Bandit 1200 Aftermarket Exhaust I've got a friend with a Bandit 1200 asking me about an aftermarket exhaust. Any recommendations on a canister that works well with this bike? Thanks, Steve "Dulles Toll Road Crusader" Clark '01 Suz DRZ400s __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 00:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB45XCO7027915; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:33:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB45XBxO027905; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:33:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204053309.12053.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:33:09 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I rode behind one today on I-66. Brand spanking new Camero in fancy livery. Looked sharp I have to admit. No visible lights, no antennas (they were concealed along the passenger side door), and no telltale spot lights. Geez, why on earth did they buy them? Like in what part of FFX county can you even find a fast road? $30,000/car and insurance/maint could have paid for a few more tellers at the DMV window I should think. Proud to live in the most policed county in all of the USA. Oh I feel so safe, can I kiss the feet of my gov't masters, please? Like hell... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 00:43:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB45hgO7028297; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:43:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB45hf8v028287; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:43:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:41:01 -0500 Subject: Re: alternatives to bungee nets? To: zetland@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <001601c29b1b$983c34e0$a09bd73f@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001601c29b1b$983c34e0$a09bd73f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a plastic luggage carrier on a rack for stuff I leave with the bike (rain gear, a few tools). For most everything else I use a small duffel bag that I carry on my lap. Holds a lot, I always know where it is, acts as a windbreak, and only falls off (about once a year) when I'm stopped and it's not cradled between both knees. --garcia zetland@XXXXXX writes: >Hi All, >Do any of you have ideas for an alternative to bungee nets? I'm getting a >little tired of replacing them after they stretch out and I've never been >entirely confident about their stability when strapping down bulky stuff >or >riding at higher speeds. >Thanks for any help, >Alex >Mt. Pleasant >01 Bandito Nekkido > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 01:09:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB469wO7028718; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:09:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB469wPR028710; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:09:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000a01c29b5b$bacc36f0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: , "garcia oliver" Cc: References: <001601c29b1b$983c34e0$a09bd73f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: alternatives to bungee nets? Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:09:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I am actually building a bungee net style but making it out of webbing. This will have no flex to it, while I will have a way at the sides to cinch strap it down. It will sort of resemble and navy airplane catch on an aircraft carrier. The only thing needed is webbing and a sewing machine that has a good needle. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "garcia oliver" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:41 AM Subject: Re: alternatives to bungee nets? > I have a plastic luggage carrier on a rack for stuff I leave with the bike > (rain gear, a few tools). For most everything else I use a small duffel > bag that I carry on my lap. Holds a lot, I always know where it is, acts > as a windbreak, and only falls off (about once a year) when I'm stopped > and it's not cradled between both knees. > > --garcia > > > zetland@XXXXXX writes: > >Hi All, > >Do any of you have ideas for an alternative to bungee nets? I'm getting a > >little tired of replacing them after they stretch out and I've never been > >entirely confident about their stability when strapping down bulky stuff > >or > >riding at higher speeds. > >Thanks for any help, > >Alex > >Mt. Pleasant > >01 Bandito Nekkido > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 01:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB46NUO7029101; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:23:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB46NUNp029091; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:23:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021204032426.87248.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021204032426.87248.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 04 Dec 2002 01:23:23 -0500 Message-Id: <1038983003.10171.88.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 22:24, matthew patton wrote: > Ok Roach, tell us how they go about this then? If it is indeed > symmetric keys, then said keys are either static (every device has the > same key or uses a subset of well-known keys), or it's based on some > kind of seed ala SecureID which uses time and the pumps have a well > controlled source of time information, or there has to be a secure > key-echange mechanism. I find the latter rather far fetched if I may > say so. Just re-read my post... screwed up when I was editing - the keys are static. The seed changes per transaction. But you're right... could you brute force it with enough time and knowledge of the unencrypted data? Sure. 64 bit encryption isn't unbreakable. So... I guess we should just use our credit card instead (the thing the speedpass is linked to)... because those are much harder to clone/duplicate... ;) Hell, store clerks rarely even LOOK at the card when you use it anymore. Any waiter or retail store clerk can harvest thousands of CC numbers per week to sell to Bad Guys, and they don't have to try and scan your pants pocket to do it. Creating a piece of plastic with a magnetic strip on it isn't rocket science, and for un-attended usage (ala the gas pump) it doesn't even have to look like your VISA card. Credit cards are far less secure than something that uses 64 bit encryption and has built-in limits of use (It can only be used at Mobil/Exxon, and there's a per-day limit on those speedpass things, I've hit it before while on cross-country trips). The only way to be "safe" if you're ultra-paranoid is to use physical, good old hard cash. That can only be taken from you by force (or lost). Luckily, credit cards only make you liable for $50 if someone steals it. Yes, if it's a check card you're out the money until you're reimbursed, but you still get it back. A solution to that is to open a bank account solely for check card usage, and only keep X dollars in the account. As with anything ... it's risk vs. reward and will vary from person to person. For me, the convenience of using a CC (and speedpass) outweighs the risk involved. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 06:03:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4B3AO7031153; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:03:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4B39Qj031143; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:03:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:03:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <169.17f123bb.2b1e0d12@aol.com> <1038952316.10183.28.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> In-Reply-To: <1038952316.10183.28.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212040603037L.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 03 December 2002 16:51, Brian Roach wrote: > On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 08:35, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > If the pump can read it remotely what is to stop a thief from > > reading/copying it as they walk past you? I mean once they have it they > > would not need a password or anything else. would they? > > Paranoid minds want to know. > > It's actually a two-way communication using an encrypted symmetric key > method of security. Speedpass fobs are active, not passive - they > contain a battery and chip and actually "talk" to the pump. You have to > replace the speedpass every 2-3 years due to battery life. > > Intercepting/Recording a single transmission from the pump and/or > speedpass wouldn't do you any good (the key changes for each > transaction) - you'd need to break the encryption scheme, then build a > device that was able to answer the pump's interrogation with the proper > encrypted response (containing someone else's account info). > Apparenetly there's a hack over on 2600 but it's old and you need to order that issue of the magazine to get the info. A quick search on google finds a couple of hits including an interesting one in the comp.risks group with more details but it's a '97 issue so it may be too old. > - Roach Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 06:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4BBsO7031505; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:11:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4BBsRP031496; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:11:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gas Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:11:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212040611497M.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 03 December 2002 22:57, Adam Wah wrote: > After spending a few years in the Gulf of Mexico area (i.e. New Orleans, > Houston and Galveston) I have some sad new for all of you gasaholics... it > all comes from the same source.... Petroleum is Petroleum.... the > refinerys do add a bit of this and that and sometimes you would see quite a > few different trucks pulling out of the same facility. In other words, > they mix it on the spot (outsourcing). > > I buy all kinds of gas from Sheetz to Citgo to Exxon to Mobile to Amoco, I > get the same mileage and no valve clatter from any of them... as long as > it's premium grade. My truck is EFI and every 30k or so when in for > servicing I have the service center give the fuel system a cleaning > (chemical). Good mileage no valve clatter. As far as I'm concerned it's > really a matter of PR... unless you get avgas... which ROCKS! > Granted this isn't dc-driving but I have a question related to gas and engines and potentially to bikes, possibly the water cooled ones only. Anyway, I took my truck into Jiffy Lube last week and spent $300 getting it back up to spec. Apparently the guy who had it last never changed the transmission fluid (talk about a foul smell). The metal filings covered the bottom of the pan. I also got the anti-freeze flushed and the standard oil change, fuel filter, etc. One of the things they were pushing was a mineral oil flush of the engine. WTF? That's a new one on me. The only things I didn't do were the differential and the injectors (well, and the flush). What's up with the mineral oil? Is this supposed to be beneficial to the engine? I know it's beneficial to JL. Just curious. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 06:15:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4BFSO7031847; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:15:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4BFSGO031842; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:15:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gassing up Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:15:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212040615237N.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 03 December 2002 23:05, Adam Wah wrote: > By the way... talking on Cell phones while gassing up is NOT intrinsically > safe... in other words... given the "right" conditions you could start a > blaze. It happens. > Considering the asshole who was smoking while pumping and flicked it to the ground when I was pumping the $1.35 into my truck Saturday, I'm surprised there aren't more surprises. > Any one ever notice a DO NOT USE CELL PHONE sign(s) around blasting areas? > There's one on the 234 bypass outside of Manassas... hmm. I wonder if > anyone REALLY shuts down their cell when passing the area? I doubt they're paying enough attention to even see the sign. When I see people slowing down to read the fricking overhead signs, I wonder that people can even read the speed limit signs without panicing. I'm participating in an exchange on cell phones over in rec.motorcycles over the past couple of days. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 06:43:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4BhZO7032307; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:43:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4BhY53032300; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:43:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Gas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Adam Wah wrote: > After spending a few years in the Gulf of Mexico area (i.e. New Orleans, > Houston and Galveston) I have some sad new for all of you gasaholics... it > all comes from the same source.... Petroleum is Petroleum.... the > refinerys do add a bit of this and that and sometimes you would see quite a > few different trucks pulling out of the same facility. In other words, they > mix it on the spot (outsourcing). > Another point they don't want to let the customer on to is that refinery A puts 1/2 a millions gallons into the Texas-Midwest pipeline on Monday, and later that day pulls 1/2 a million gallons out in the Chicago area, They only need to put the same amount in, as they pull out. In most cases the product they get out is NOT the product they put into the pipeline. Thats why the base product has fairly tightly controlled standards it must meet. Once they get the product out at the destination they put in their 'secret blend' of additives that they can then use in marketing to differentiate their product from their competitors. While the gasoline is not all the same from all the stations, its very close to the same. -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 06:49:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4BncO7032663; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:49:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4BncBN032653; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:49:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEDED12.13B68D55@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 06:54:59 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gas References: <0212040611497M.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Granted this isn't dc-driving but I have a question related to gas and > engines and potentially to bikes, possibly the water cooled ones only. > > Anyway, I took my truck into Jiffy Lube last week and spent $300 getting it > back up to spec. Apparently the guy who had it last never changed the > transmission fluid (talk about a foul smell). The metal filings covered the > bottom of the pan. > > I also got the anti-freeze flushed and the standard oil change, fuel filter, > etc. > > One of the things they were pushing was a mineral oil flush of the engine. > WTF? That's a new one on me. > > The only things I didn't do were the differential and the injectors (well, > and the flush). > > What's up with the mineral oil? Is this supposed to be beneficial to the > engine? I know it's beneficial to JL. > > Just curious. Mineral oil? Well, it can't hurt and MO is probabbly better than my method. Back in the good ol' days when I'd aquire a junkmobile with a gazillion miles on it, I'd warm the engine, drain the oil, insert a mix of kerosene with a dab of oil and run theengine for a spell, then shut `er down and pop the drain plug. Whoa doggy, the mung that spewed forth from now clean engine! This week I had my van tranny flushed. My fav mecahnic had a new toy, a thinger that removes all the tranny fluid (a pan drain only removes about half the old fluid), runs cleaner thru the tranny, and then refills. He said the old fluid was very dirty. Duh, truck has 115K on it and I can't recall ever changing tranny juice. Reminder - those going for winter storage should chnage your scoot's juices and add preservative to your gas. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 07:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4CQgO7000694; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:26:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4CQfFL000684; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:26:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204071742.00ba5698@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:26:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Gassing up In-Reply-To: <0212040615237N.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:15 AM 12/4/2002, you wrote: >On Tuesday 03 December 2002 23:05, Adam Wah wrote: >> By the way... talking on Cell phones while gassing up is NOT intrinsically >> safe... in other words... given the "right" conditions you could start a >> blaze. It happens. >> > >Considering the asshole who was smoking while pumping and flicked it to the >ground when I was pumping the $1.35 into my truck Saturday, I'm surprised >there aren't more surprises. ..actually it was on the news a couple of months back that the use of cell phones do not pose any threat what so ever. Previous incidents of fires have now been attributed to static electricity. They had some pretty spectacular security film footage showing fires started by static charges arcing from the driver to the pump handle. This, of course, is most common during the winter months when people sit in their cars while refueling and then slide out of their cars to remove the pump which builds up a pretty good charge. here's a ref: http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/print/0,23102,3399097,00.html >> Any one ever notice a DO NOT USE CELL PHONE sign(s) around blasting areas? >> There's one on the 234 bypass outside of Manassas... hmm. I wonder if >> anyone REALLY shuts down their cell when passing the area? > >I doubt they're paying enough attention to even see the sign. When I see >people slowing down to read the fricking overhead signs, I wonder that people >can even read the speed limit signs without panicing. ...I think that's a hold over when analog phones were prevalent. The fear was that there would be a conflict of frequencies possibly setting how a radio controlled charge. Digital phones, which most are now, are on a completely different frequency. And since radio waves pretty much can travel around the world in seconds, I don't see how proximity to a blasting site could be an issue. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 07:31:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4CVRO7001044; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:31:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4CVRvY001037; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:31:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gas Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:31:22 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <0212040611497M.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DEDED12.13B68D55@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3DEDED12.13B68D55@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212040731227R.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 04 December 2002 06:54, William J. Huson wrote: > This week I had my van tranny flushed. My fav mecahnic had a new toy, a > thinger that removes all the tranny fluid (a pan drain only removes about > half the old fluid), runs cleaner thru the tranny, and then refills. He > said the old fluid was very dirty. Duh, truck has 115K on it and I can't > recall ever changing tranny juice. Yea, they had a machine that did that as well. Used up 15 or 20 quarts of fluid (well, they were marked with numbers but not quarts; gallons?). It was very dark for the first 5 minutes and steadily matched the actual cherry syrup red color that's normal. > > Reminder - those going for winter storage should chnage your scoot's juices > and add preservative to your gas. > Stop riding because it's cold. I spent $400 on electric gear. I'm riding as much as I can :-) I called East Coast yesterday to get a status on my bike (warranty work). Ron said that I should really stop by if I want a good understanding of the problem. So I stopped by on my way home. I spoke to Ron briefly but was escorted by another guy. I didn't get his name, unfortunately. >From reviewing the service manual and what the mechanic said, the drive shaft is assembled with a spacer, a rotor, a couple of primary gears that the chain is on and a cap nut (about a 3/4" radius and about 3" long). The shaft has teeth that the rotor and gears fit over (there's a couple more pieces but that's the gist of it all). The problem is that, even though the cap nut was torqued and bottomed out on the shaft, the rotor and gears were loose on the shaft. The inside of the rotor (about a 3" radius part), there was a deep worn path about the diameter of the spacer and a shallower path about the diameter of a primary gear. They ordered a new rotor, spacer, primary gears and chain, and from what it sounds, they may have to order a new drive shaft. When they received the new spacer, it was about 5 times thicker than the one they pulled out (construction paper thickness vs about 1/4" thickness on the new one). I'm speculating that the guys who assembled the engine put the wrong spacer on the shaft. The teeth on the drive shaft and on the gears and rotor have some damage as does the primary chain. I told them that my biggest complaint, other than missing my vacation ride :-) , was that I had to call for status each time. I told him that he needed to call me with statuses. I certainly have a better understanding on what's wrong and that it'll take some work to get it fixed. > Bill Carl. Bikeless for now. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 07:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4CZFO7001413; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:35:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4CZFI3001399; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:35:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Gassing up Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:35:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204071742.00ba5698@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204071742.00ba5698@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212040735097T.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 04 December 2002 07:26, Aki Damme wrote: > At 06:15 AM 12/4/2002, you wrote: > >On Tuesday 03 December 2002 23:05, Adam Wah wrote: > >> By the way... talking on Cell phones while gassing up is NOT > >> intrinsically safe... in other words... given the "right" conditions you > >> could start a blaze. It happens. > > > >Considering the asshole who was smoking while pumping and flicked it to > > the ground when I was pumping the $1.35 into my truck Saturday, I'm > > surprised there aren't more surprises. > > ...actually it was on the news a couple of months back that the use of cell > phones do not pose any threat what so ever. Previous incidents of fires > have now been attributed to static electricity. They had some pretty > spectacular security film footage showing fires started by static charges > arcing from the driver to the pump handle. This, of course, is most common > during the winter months when people sit in their cars while refueling and > then slide out of their cars to remove the pump which builds up a pretty > good charge. > That's not real happy. When I get out of the truck, I invariably get a sharp shock. But I'm also normally standing outside pumping the gas. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 07:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4CmmO7001808; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:48:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4CmmML001800; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:48:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021204075322.05ae0800@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:57:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles In-Reply-To: <20021204053309.12053.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:33 PM 12/3/02 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >I rode behind one today on I-66. Brand spanking new Camero in fancy >livery. Looked sharp I have to admit. No visible lights, no antennas >(they were concealed along the passenger side door), and no telltale >spot lights. Geez, why on earth did they buy them? Like in what part of >FFX county can you even find a fast road? $30,000/car and >insurance/maint could have paid for a few more tellers at the DMV >window I should think. > >Proud to live in the most policed county in all of the USA. Oh I feel >so safe, can I kiss the feet of my gov't masters, please? Like hell... A Camaro with the B4C package (the 'Police' package) isn't $30k, it's closer to $23k. Add in fleet discounts and the cars aren't any more expensive than the Impalas and Crown Vics they drive. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 07:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4CpBO7002162; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:51:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4CpBoH002155; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:51:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204074654.00ba3c88@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:51:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Gassing up In-Reply-To: <0212040735097T.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204071742.00ba5698@pop.east.cox.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20021204071742.00ba5698@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:35 AM 12/4/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Wednesday 04 December 2002 07:26, Aki Damme wrote: >> At 06:15 AM 12/4/2002, you wrote: >> >On Tuesday 03 December 2002 23:05, Adam Wah wrote: >> >> By the way... talking on Cell phones while gassing up is NOT >> >> intrinsically safe... in other words... given the "right" conditions you >> >> could start a blaze. It happens. >> > >> >Considering the asshole who was smoking while pumping and flicked it to >> > the ground when I was pumping the $1.35 into my truck Saturday, I'm >> > surprised there aren't more surprises. >> >> ...actually it was on the news a couple of months back that the use of cell >> phones do not pose any threat what so ever. Previous incidents of fires >> have now been attributed to static electricity. They had some pretty >> spectacular security film footage showing fires started by static charges >> arcing from the driver to the pump handle. This, of course, is most common >> during the winter months when people sit in their cars while refueling and >> then slide out of their cars to remove the pump which builds up a pretty >> good charge. >> > >That's not real happy. When I get out of the truck, I invariably get a sharp >shock. But I'm also normally standing outside pumping the gas. > >Carl I believe the link I posted points to the official petroleum site and they have downloadable film footage of some of the fires. Scary shit. They said that if you *do* sit in the car, to discharge the static by touching the outside of the drivers door first before touching the pump handle. The film footage shows huge balls of fire engulfing the driver and car. Once second you're there, the next...crispy critter. Ain't pretty. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 07:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4CslO7002505; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:54:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4CslV5002495; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:54:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021204080154.05ae38c0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:03:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Gas In-Reply-To: <3DEDED12.13B68D55@patriot.net> References: <0212040611497M.09051@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:54 AM 12/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >Mineral oil? Well, it can't hurt and MO is probabbly better than my method. Sounds like a good way to lighten your wallet. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 08:17:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4DHUO7002933; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:17:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4DHTdk002923; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:17:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1c9.289f5d8.2b1f5a4f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:17:03 EST Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/3/2002 2:15:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > I've had gasoline all over my crotch before. I won't risk getting that > sensation again. Motocross race, BSA 500 single, leaking gas cap, racing - not gonna stop. Yea, gas on the crotch is a sensation alright. Some of the memories dredged up by these "conversations" are not so good..... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 08:21:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4DLxO7003282; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:21:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4DLxsC003271; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:21:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <170.17ffd4bc.2b1f5b6f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:21:51 EST Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/3/2002 6:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > Again, just run the recommended octane fuel and fill up where it's > convenient. > > Of course, that's just my opinion... ;-) Mine too. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 08:26:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4DQGO7003628; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:26:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4DQGvw003618; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:26:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:26:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040826.AA208667290@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Cell phones & gas pumps [was: Re: Gassing up X-Mailer: The only thing I've heard that even makes sense about "dangers" of cellphone and gassing up a vehicle is the possibility of sparks if the cellphone is dropped and the battery pops out. But that seems like a pretty remote possibility Static electricity is certainly a greater danger than cellphones, and many or most drivers seem utterly clueless about static electricity when they're pumping gallons of highly flammable liquid. I think the biggest danger of cellphones at gas pumps is distraction. Insert gas nozzle, lock it on, and drift off into a cellphone conversation. Ban distracted pumpers! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Aki Damme Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:26:35 -0500 >At 06:15 AM 12/4/2002, you wrote: >>On Tuesday 03 December 2002 23:05, Adam Wah wrote: >>> By the way... talking on Cell phones while gassing up is NOT intrinsically >>> safe... in other words... given the "right" conditions you could start a >>> blaze. It happens. >>> >> >>Considering the asshole who was smoking while pumping and flicked it to the >>ground when I was pumping the $1.35 into my truck Saturday, I'm surprised >>there aren't more surprises. > > >..actually it was on the news a couple of months back that the use of cell phones >do not pose any threat what so ever. Previous incidents of fires have now been >attributed to static electricity. They had some pretty spectacular security film >footage showing fires started by static charges arcing from the driver to the pump >handle. This, of course, is most common during the winter months when people [message truncated] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 08:48:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4Dm9O7004045; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:48:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Dm83A004035; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:48:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <177.12e19088.2b1f618f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:47:59 EST Subject: Re: Gas To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/4/2002 7:54:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > Sounds like a good way to lighten your wallet. Yep. All good oils contain cleaning agents, with regular oil changes your engine will stay "clean" (not clean enough to eat from) Use good oil, change it according to manufacturer recommendations (Which will _not_ be every 3,000mi.*) (There would also be a certain amount of mineral spirits remaining behind to dilute the fresh oil. Not a good idea as I see it.) P.S. In the old days before oils had the cleaning agents (detergents) they would leave a mess in the engine. As a result the engines were designed with a large "still" settling area where the crud could settle out to be cleaned on one of the frequent re-builds. I once disassembled and cleaned a 1920s era Packard WHAT A MESS! but that was standard for the day. (Interestingly the roller cam followers looked just like the ones on a Harley Sportster.) Using mineral spirit flushes were probably a good idea back then. But that was then, this is now. *Cage, it may be for your bike. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 08:50:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4DoSO7004397; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:50:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4DoSLh004388; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:50:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <84.39a7b49.2b1f6219@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:50:17 EST Subject: Re: Cell phones & gas pumps [was: Re: Gassing up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:26:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > Ban distracted pumpers! Nah! Let Darwin work. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 08:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4DuAO7004756; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:56:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4DuAwn004743; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:56:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005501c29b9c$df0fe700$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: References: <200212040826.AA208667290@mail.toward.com> Subject: Snow tires Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:54:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Does anyone know of any good snow tires for a Honda Nighthawk? lol Just went out for a nice leisurely drive in the cold to get the bike going for a while, and to see how it acts on ice. Just the same as gravel, only smoother. Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 09:01:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4E1eO7005113; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:01:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4E1d6k005105; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:01:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204140132.86721.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:01:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: alternatives to bungee nets? To: Alex & Kris Morse , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001601c29b1b$983c34e0$a09bd73f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The SVRider.com and SV mailing lists have done a lot of experimenting with this. One of the ideas was compression straps that strap around the rear seat on an SV and can be left there semi-permanently. If I were you, I'd check the "Tips & Tricks" section of www.svrider.com and see if any of these ideas would work on your Bandit. Chris Weaver --- Alex & Kris Morse wrote: > Hi All, > Do any of you have ideas for an alternative to > bungee nets? I'm getting a > little tired of replacing them after they stretch > out and I've never been > entirely confident about their stability when > strapping down bulky stuff or > riding at higher speeds. > Thanks for any help, > Alex > Mt. Pleasant > 01 Bandito Nekkido > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 09:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4EIuO7005516; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:18:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4EIumf005508; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:18:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C033F9CE0@usashexch05.corp.us.uu.net> From: "Wood, Sally" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Safety Course - Early Registration Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:10:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Forgive me if this is old news... Registration has already begun for the 2003 Motorcycle Safety Courses at NVCC's Loudoun campus. March thru May are already full; classes are still available from mid June 2003 on. If you know anyone interested in taking the course, better tell them to call today. Think spring!! Sally Weaver '01 YZF 600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 09:22:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4EMNO7005874; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:22:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4EMNFD005866; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:22:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEE10E4.D6A26816@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:27:48 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: Alex & Kris Morse , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: alternatives to bungee nets? References: <20021204140132.86721.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use bungee nets, but before bungee nets I used rope. 3/16" nylon is good, still use it to strap on loads. For lashing a timber hitch works, or you can exert a lot of pressure with a West Virginia half-hitch. Allow the free ends to stream in the wind, known in the sailing community as Polish Streamers. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 09:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4EOhO7006205; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:24:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4EOghl006198; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:24:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:24:28 EST Subject: Re: alternatives to bungee nets? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/4/2002 9:22:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Allow the free ends to stream in the wind, known in the sailing > community as Polish Streamers. Or if they get tangled in the wheels Polish Screamers. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 09:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4ERoO7006548; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:27:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4ERohk006540; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:27:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEE1080.8AB2FEC6@tasam.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:26:08 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021203175956.0614b530@fbody.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > What is the 'good stuff'? Avgas. that's the schweet schweet schtuff! > You can't measure any difference from one pump to another or one brand to > another. Most newer, naturally aspirated cars, make the most power on > whatever 87 octane crap you can throw into the tank due to computer > control, advanced combustion chamber designs and closed loop/mass air fuel > injection systems. > > Again, just run the recommended octane fuel and fill up where it's convenient. > > Of course, that's just my opinion... ;-) and some manufacturer's... Saturn specifically recommends *not* using octane above 89 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 09:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4EYGO7006913; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:34:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4EYGgU006903; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:34:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204143414.81314.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:34:14 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Snow tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005501c29b9c$df0fe700$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii actually I have a related query. Does anybody make 17inch nobbies? Or do I have to go buy a DS to get the right tires? I'm about to move to the great white north (Wisconsin) and want to keep riding. This whole "quit riding for 3 months stuff" is a totally alien concept to me. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 09:53:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4ErhO7007371; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:53:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Erhqk007361; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:53:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010c01c29ba5$29e6dce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021204075322.05ae0800@fbody.com> Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:54:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > At 09:33 PM 12/3/02 -0800, matthew patton wrote: > >I rode behind one today on I-66. Brand spanking new Camero in fancy > >livery.... > > > >Proud to live in the most policed county in all of the USA. Oh I feel > >so safe, can I kiss the feet of my gov't masters, please? Like hell... > > > A Camaro with the B4C package (the 'Police' package) isn't $30k, it's > closer to $23k. Add in fleet discounts and the cars aren't any more > expensive than the Impalas and Crown Vics they drive. > Be that as it may, with local governments crying the blues about how "broke" they are, why are there any new police vehicles in this budget cycle, let along specialty vehicles. And I notice the Guv is in the paper this morning with a re-structuring program (deck-chair rearranging) in order to save money within the state gubmint. A good idea, to be sure, but why is this not done as a matter of course? Why wait until the wolves are at the door and the deficits are mounting to streamline government? Why didn't the "small government conservatives" George Allen and Jim Gilmore get the job done during their eight years in office? "Small gubmint" makes a nice bumper sticker slogan, but actually doing it is another matter. How many government agencies and programs did Newt actually eliminate? Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 09:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4Et6O7007703; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:55:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Et5Go007696; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:55:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEE188F.94D8439@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:00:31 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snow tires References: <20021204143414.81314.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > actually I have a related query. Does anybody make 17inch nobbies? Or > do I have to go buy a DS to get the right tires? I'm about to move to > the great white north (Wisconsin) and want to keep riding. This whole > "quit riding for 3 months stuff" is a totally alien concept to me. Get used to the riding vacation. Some areas of WI can be buried in snow, travel on packed snow/ice, not to mention it can get cold enough to freeze spit before it hits the snowpack. Buy a snowmobile... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 10:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4F0oO7008075; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:00:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4F0oPb008060; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:00:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204150048.77085.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <010c01c29ba5$29e6dce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Doesn't FFX fund cars like that though the propery it 'steals' from 'accused' law breakers, ie somebody with a roach in their ashtray? > Be that as it may, with local governments crying the > blues about how "broke" > they are, why are there any new police vehicles in > this budget cycle, let > along specialty vehicles. And I notice the Guv is > in the paper this morning > with a re-structuring program (deck-chair > rearranging) in order to save > money within the state gubmint. A good idea, to be > sure, but why is this > not done as a matter of course? Why wait until the > wolves are at the door > and the deficits are mounting to streamline > government? Why didn't the > "small government conservatives" George Allen and > Jim Gilmore get the job > done during their eight years in office? "Small > gubmint" makes a nice > bumper sticker slogan, but actually doing it is > another matter. How many > government agencies and programs did Newt actually > eliminate? > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 10:01:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4F1IO7008111; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:01:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4F1IBG008107; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:01:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEE1A03.6C42A6EC@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:06:43 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021204075322.05ae0800@fbody.com> <010c01c29ba5$29e6dce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > Be that as it may, with local governments crying the blues about how "broke" > they are, why are there any new police vehicles in this budget cycle, let > along specialty vehicles. And I notice the Guv is in the paper this morning > with a re-structuring program (deck-chair rearranging) in order to save > money within the state gubmint. A good idea, to be sure, but why is this > not done as a matter of course? Why wait until the wolves are at the door > and the deficits are mounting to streamline government? Why didn't the > "small government conservatives" George Allen and Jim Gilmore get the job > done during their eight years in office? "Small gubmint" makes a nice > bumper sticker slogan, but actually doing it is another matter. How many > government agencies and programs did Newt actually eliminate? > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F Because Georgie Boy and Jimbo Bubba had too many big bidness contributors to keep happy with program perks. An afliction that affects almost all politicians. The main problem wasn't the programs but the lack of Gubinatorial knowledge of simple arithmetic. Spend without engaging an income source? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 10:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4F64O7008757; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:06:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4F64XG008749; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:06:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:05:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass - on your wrist. From: Robert Curtis To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DEE1080.8AB2FEC6@tasam.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop018.verizon.net from [206.181.245.167] at Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:05:54 -0600 Not to keep beating a dead horse, but this is kinda slick... http://www.timex.com/speedpass/ Now you don't even have to take the keys out of the tank lock... Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 10:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4FArO7009120; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:10:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4FApMJ009105; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:10:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEE1C40.797016D4@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:16:16 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles References: <20021204150048.77085.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Doesn't FFX fund cars like that though the propery it > 'steals' from 'accused' law breakers, ie somebody with > a roach in their ashtray? > I haven't seen an audit of siezed property and the disposal of same, but I doubt that would support the entire FFX vehicle fleet. Also, methinks the siezure of property has to involve considerably more product than a roach in an ashtray. I've known a few folks who have been busted with just enough product to be charged with intent to distribute and they weren't stripped of cars and whatever. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 10:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4FkTO7009691; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:46:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4FkTB0009681; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:46:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001c01c29bac$46c34e00$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "William J. Huson" , "matthew patton" Cc: References: <20021204143414.81314.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> <3DEE188F.94D8439@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Snow tires Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:45:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Oh how well I remember the days, I spent my teenage years growing up in Minot, ND. Lived in a little town called Surrey, population 140 (Hee Haw salute). Had one time snow got so bad we had a 16 ft snow drift on the front of our dorm, had to come out the second story pool hall window. Those were the days...........not. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "matthew patton" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Snow tires > matthew patton wrote: > > > actually I have a related query. Does anybody make 17inch nobbies? Or > > do I have to go buy a DS to get the right tires? I'm about to move to > > the great white north (Wisconsin) and want to keep riding. This whole > > "quit riding for 3 months stuff" is a totally alien concept to me. > > Get used to the riding vacation. Some areas of WI can be buried in > snow, travel on packed snow/ice, not to mention it can get cold enough to > freeze spit before it hits the snowpack. Buy a snowmobile... > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 10:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4FlpO7009728; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:47:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4FlpIq009715; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:47:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003701c29bac$77c1b960$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "William J. Huson" , "Paul Wilson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021204075322.05ae0800@fbody.com> <010c01c29ba5$29e6dce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3DEE1A03.6C42A6EC@patriot.net> Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Whatever happened to the Vienna, VA Volvo's? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Be that as it may, with local governments crying the blues about how "broke" > > they are, why are there any new police vehicles in this budget cycle, let > > along specialty vehicles. And I notice the Guv is in the paper this morning > > with a re-structuring program (deck-chair rearranging) in order to save > > money within the state gubmint. A good idea, to be sure, but why is this > > not done as a matter of course? Why wait until the wolves are at the door > > and the deficits are mounting to streamline government? Why didn't the > > "small government conservatives" George Allen and Jim Gilmore get the job > > done during their eight years in office? "Small gubmint" makes a nice > > bumper sticker slogan, but actually doing it is another matter. How many > > government agencies and programs did Newt actually eliminate? > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > Because Georgie Boy and Jimbo Bubba had too many big bidness contributors to > keep happy with program perks. An afliction that affects almost all > politicians. The main problem wasn't the programs but the lack of Gubinatorial > knowledge of simple arithmetic. Spend without engaging an income source? > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 10:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4Fw7O7010409; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Fw6n4010399; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa2pcW08yCHP1VXaLMTc3tMnRRx1ziG/m3yaJbBwQ4QA4L1CcaeUePNH6mO4+auG/c= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Jiffy Lube Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c29bad$ee08b230$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <0212040611497M.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Importance: Normal Carl, I think the Jiffy Lubes are scammers. They push all sorts of maintenance you don't need, and I'll bet each tech starts the day with a fresh bag of metal shavings to scare the hell out of the customers. Now if you *know* you need you auto xmission fluid flushed and changed, go ahead and let them do it. But go into the Jiffy Lube after reading your manual with a hard list of what you want done. Does your manual specify a "mineral oil" flush? I'll bet not. BTW, mineral oil can mean any oil that is not vegetable or synthetic oil (e.g. $1/quart at Walmart). --jon the cynic -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:12 AM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gas ($300 at Jiffy Lube story) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 11:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4G4fO7010486; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:04:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4G4fDY010477; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:04:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204160438.83052.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021204053309.12053.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > ....Proud to live in the most policed county in all of > the USA. Oh I feel so safe, can I kiss the feet of my > gov't masters, please? Like hell... Matt, you shouldn't adjust the dosage without checking with your doctor first. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 11:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4G6aO7010539; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:06:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4G6ami010534; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:06:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: Jiffy Lube Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:04:53 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00c601c29bae$e4569710$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <003601c29bad$ee08b230$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal My brother worked at Jiffy Lube a long time ago. They get commissions (good commissions realitive to pay) on selling that stuff. He could of cared less if you needed it or not. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:58 AM > To: 'Carl Schelin'; DC Cycles (E-mail) > Subject: Jiffy Lube > > > Carl, > > I think the Jiffy Lubes are scammers. They push all sorts of > maintenance > you don't need, and I'll bet each tech starts the day with a > fresh bag of > metal shavings to scare the hell out of the customers. Now > if you *know* > you need you auto xmission fluid flushed and changed, go > ahead and let them > do it. But go into the Jiffy Lube after reading your manual > with a hard > list of what you want done. > > Does your manual specify a "mineral oil" flush? I'll bet > not. BTW, mineral > oil can mean any oil that is not vegetable or synthetic oil > (e.g. $1/quart > at Walmart). > > --jon the cynic > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:12 AM > To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Gas > > > > > ($300 at Jiffy Lube story) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 11:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4GFLO7011518; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:15:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4GFLIH011508; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:15:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005c01c29bb0$4d94ec30$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: , "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" References: <00c601c29bae$e4569710$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:15:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Wow, I go to the one in Laurel, haven't had a problem yet. I tell them I want oil and lube, they don't bother me. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Jiffy Lube > > My brother worked at Jiffy Lube a long time ago. They get commissions > (good commissions realitive to pay) on selling that stuff. He could of > cared less if you needed it or not. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:58 AM > > To: 'Carl Schelin'; DC Cycles (E-mail) > > Subject: Jiffy Lube > > > > > > Carl, > > > > I think the Jiffy Lubes are scammers. They push all sorts of > > maintenance > > you don't need, and I'll bet each tech starts the day with a > > fresh bag of > > metal shavings to scare the hell out of the customers. Now > > if you *know* > > you need you auto xmission fluid flushed and changed, go > > ahead and let them > > do it. But go into the Jiffy Lube after reading your manual > > with a hard > > list of what you want done. > > > > Does your manual specify a "mineral oil" flush? I'll bet > > not. BTW, mineral > > oil can mean any oil that is not vegetable or synthetic oil > > (e.g. $1/quart > > at Walmart). > > > > --jon the cynic > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:12 AM > > To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Gas > > > > > > > > > > ($300 at Jiffy Lube story) > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 11:21:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4GLoO7011888; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:21:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4GLnGs011876; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:21:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204162142.31352.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:21:42 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" , jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" In-Reply-To: <005c01c29bb0$4d94ec30$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know a guy that went to a Jiffy Lube (I think it was in the Briggs Chaney Auto Park in Silver Spring), and they filled his cracnkcase with Transfluid after he specifically requested 20w50. I've never heard any other horror stories from Jiffy Lube. Having access to a auto shop has it's advantages so you can do your own work:-) Nick --- "S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > Wow, I go to the one in Laurel, haven't had a > problem yet. I tell them I > want oil and lube, they don't bother me. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim McGonigle" > To: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:04 AM > Subject: RE: Jiffy Lube > > > > > > My brother worked at Jiffy Lube a long time ago. > They get commissions > > (good commissions realitive to pay) on selling > that stuff. He could of > > cared less if you needed it or not. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:58 AM > > > To: 'Carl Schelin'; DC Cycles (E-mail) > > > Subject: Jiffy Lube > > > > > > > > > Carl, > > > > > > I think the Jiffy Lubes are scammers. They push > all sorts of > > > maintenance > > > you don't need, and I'll bet each tech starts > the day with a > > > fresh bag of > > > metal shavings to scare the hell out of the > customers. Now > > > if you *know* > > > you need you auto xmission fluid flushed and > changed, go > > > ahead and let them > > > do it. But go into the Jiffy Lube after reading > your manual > > > with a hard > > > list of what you want done. > > > > > > Does your manual specify a "mineral oil" flush? > I'll bet > > > not. BTW, mineral > > > oil can mean any oil that is not vegetable or > synthetic oil > > > (e.g. $1/quart > > > at Walmart). > > > > > > --jon the cynic > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:12 AM > > > To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Gas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ($300 at Jiffy Lube story) > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 11:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4GfOO7012346; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:41:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4GfNDU012336; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:41:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.201.63.213 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: Jiffy Lube Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:41:20 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c29bb3$f9f6af60$097ba8c0@BMW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20021204162142.31352.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Let me play devil's advocate here for a minute. You're always going to here about the horror stories. They seem to travel faster than the speed of light. A good friend of mine took his 740i to Tischer in Silver Spring for a routine oil change. He got a call later saying that they dropped his car off the lift. Another friend of mine brought his M3 to a different dealer for a routine maintenance which was supposed to include a brake fluid flush. He handed them his wheel lock key, but they said they don't need it. He asked how were they going to flush the brake fluid, and they flat out said they only top it off. If you can't get good service from a dealer, I can't imagine what a place like Jiffy Lube is like. Personally, I enjoy doing as much as I can on my cars. For one, I find it rewarding. Two, it saves me money. And three, with the money I save, I can buy more tools. :) And, I really don't trust dealers either. I'd much prefer to take it to a smaller shop that I trust quite a bit. Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:sfdaytona@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:22 AM > To: S. Russell (Mongo); jmcgonigle@XXXXXX; 'DC Cycles (E-mail)' > Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube > > > I know a guy that went to a Jiffy Lube (I think it was > in the Briggs Chaney Auto Park in Silver Spring), and > they filled his cracnkcase with Transfluid after he > specifically requested 20w50. I've never heard any other > horror stories from Jiffy Lube. Having access to a auto shop > has it's advantages so you can do your own work:-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 11:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4GiUO7012409; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:44:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4GiUTN012400; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:44:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEE3080.EFBCE3E6@tasam.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:42:40 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube References: <20021204162142.31352.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > I know a guy that went to a Jiffy Lube (I think it was > in the Briggs Chaney Auto Park in Silver Spring), and > they filled his cracnkcase with Transfluid after he > specifically requested 20w50. I've never heard any > other horror stories from Jiffy Lube. Having access > to a auto shop has it's advantages so you can do your > own work:-) I managed a WalMart Quick lube for a couple years, and saw a couple techs take off the "spin on" trans filter, over fill an engine by 6 quarts, and other amazing blunders. I also saw a customer loosen his own drainplug and try to get us to replace the knocking 150k mile engine in his truck with a brand new one ( we used inspection markers, so he was shot down), and had one guy wear his rotors down to the vents, having worn through the backing pate of the pads, and was stopping with the brake piston. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 11:52:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4GqrO7013095; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:52:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4GqqRJ013085; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:52:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.227.241.28] From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mobil Speedpass Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:51:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2002 16:51:46.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E7459E0:01C29BB5] >From: Brian Roach >It's actually a two-way communication using an encrypted symmetric key >method of security. Speedpass fobs are active, not passive - they >contain a battery and chip and actually "talk" to the pump. You have to >replace the speedpass every 2-3 years due to battery life. >- Roach Speedpass keychain fobs are passive - no battery. You have to get them really really close to the "Place Speedpass Here" sensor because the sensor energizes the passive keychain fob. Keychain fobs activate the pump into an activated mode until you either get your gas or press the cancel key - simply removing the fob from the sensor will not immediately deactivate the pump. Speedpass car sensors are active - they have a battery that allows them to activate the "Place Speedpass Here" sensor from many feet away through your car window. You merely have to drive up to a pump like you normally do, and the pump is activated and ready to dispense gas before you even get out of your car. The car sensor will eventually drain the sensor's battery after several years. Speedpass will replace the battery, or the entire sensor, free of charge. It's faster for them to mail out a free new sensor than it is to mail out a free replacement battery for your existing sensor. Car sensors activate the pump only when the sensor is within range, so stopping your car in front of the pump allows you to get gas. If you slowly drive past a pump, the "pump active" light will turn on momentarily, but immediately turn off when you continue past the pump and the sensor is no longer in range of that pump. That way, you can't accidentally activate a pump by simply driving by, and you don't need to get out and cancel anything (as though the pump had been activated by a keychain fob). Soon you will be able to use speedpass in other places, such as McDonalds drive-thru and the grocery store. Stop & Shop Supermarkets will be testing Speedpass at select stores this winter. Additionally, Speedpass will be introducing a new feature enabling customers to link their Stop & Shop card to their Speedpass. One wave does it all! If you are interested in a speedpass keychain fob and/or remote car-window sensor, go here: http://www.speedpass.com/index.jsp Or call toll-free: 1-87-SPEEDPASS (1-877-733-3727) Para ayuda en Espanol, por favor llamar al: 1-877-646-6245 Timex has watches that incorporate the speedpass. For more info, see here: http://www.timex.com/speedpass/ Excerpt: Your Speedpass-enabled Timex Watch is the fastest and easiest way to pay. No reaching for your wallet, or fumbling with change. Speedpass is accepted at over 7,500 Exxon and Mobil stations nationwide and at over 440 participating McDonalds restaurants in Chicago and Northwest Indiana. -Ward _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 11:56:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4GubO7013167; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:56:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4GubCh013158; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:56:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204165630.39015.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: RE: Jiffy Lube To: Wesleyan Hsu , "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" In-Reply-To: <005601c29bb3$f9f6af60$097ba8c0@BMW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know a Tech at VOB BMW that has told me he's seen guys drop 2 cars from a lift in 10 years that he's been there. This stuff happens, yes it sucks, but it's not like they would do it on purpose...they have to get under the car, which could be life or death for them! As far as someone saying that they are just going to top off the brake fluid and pass that off as a flush, that's just flat out stupid. Stay the hell away from that dealership and or call the manufacturer and report them!! I take my A4 to Tischer Audi b/c the service is Free to 50k. I still change my oil between the 10k recomendation (Every 5K). When my service warranty runs out, I will not take my car back to the dealer. Good/Trustworthy Mechanics are hard to find. So sad!! Nick --- Wesleyan Hsu wrote: > Let me play devil's advocate here for a minute. > You're always going to > here about the horror stories. They seem to travel > faster than the speed > of light. A good friend of mine took his 740i to > Tischer in Silver > Spring for a routine oil change. He got a call later > saying that they > dropped his car off the lift. Another friend of mine > brought his M3 to a > different dealer for a routine maintenance which was > supposed to include > a brake fluid flush. He handed them his wheel lock > key, but they said > they don't need it. He asked how were they going to > flush the brake > fluid, and they flat out said they only top it off. > If you can't get > good service from a dealer, I can't imagine what a > place like Jiffy Lube > is like. > > Personally, I enjoy doing as much as I can on my > cars. For one, I find > it rewarding. Two, it saves me money. And three, > with the money I save, > I can buy more tools. :) And, I really don't trust > dealers either. I'd > much prefer to take it to a smaller shop that I > trust quite a bit. > > Wes Hsu > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nicholas Thompson > [mailto:sfdaytona@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:22 AM > > To: S. Russell (Mongo); jmcgonigle@XXXXXX; > 'DC Cycles (E-mail)' > > Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube > > > > > > I know a guy that went to a Jiffy Lube (I think it > was > > in the Briggs Chaney Auto Park in Silver Spring), > and > > they filled his cracnkcase with Transfluid after > he > > specifically requested 20w50. I've never heard > any other > > horror stories from Jiffy Lube. Having access to > a auto shop > > has it's advantages so you can do your own work:-) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 12:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4HoJO7014193; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:50:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4HoI3s014183; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:50:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:50:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041250.AA73728612@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: matthew patton CC: Subject: Re: Snow tires X-Mailer: Buy a sidecar! Modern High-Performance Sidecars http://hometown.aol.com/sidebike99/index.html :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "William J. Huson" Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:00:31 -0500 >matthew patton wrote: > >> actually I have a related query. Does anybody make 17inch nobbies? Or >> do I have to go buy a DS to get the right tires? I'm about to move to >> the great white north (Wisconsin) and want to keep riding. This whole >> "quit riding for 3 months stuff" is a totally alien concept to me. > >Get used to the riding vacation. Some areas of WI can be buried in >snow, travel on packed snow/ice, not to mention it can get cold enough to >freeze spit before it hits the snowpack. Buy a snowmobile... > >Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 12:58:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4Hw2O7014263; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:58:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Hw1fs014254; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:58:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <023901c29bbe$e9775a80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Nicholas Thompson" , "Wesleyan Hsu" , "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" References: <20021204165630.39015.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Magnuson-Moss Act, was Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:58:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Thompson" I take my A4 to Tischer Audi b/c > the service is Free to 50k. I still change my oil > between the 10k recomendation (Every 5K). When my > service warranty runs out, I will not take my car back > to the dealer. Good/Trustworthy Mechanics are hard to > find. So sad!! > > This post touches on a widespread misconception about manufacturer's warranties. There's a lot of confusion out there on the subject of "authorized service" and the voiding of manufacturer's warranties. Federal law, the Magnuson-Moss Act specifically, forbids making warranties subject to "tie-in" purchases of products or services such as requiring you to have routine periodic maintenance performed at a dealer. It may be different if the service is free though. You can do *all* the work yourself if you follow the Owner's Manual, manufacturer's Service Manual and document it. In short the burden is on the manufacturer to prove that non-authorized service is detrimental. I posted this to the VFR list a couple of months ago --------------------------------- Here's a digest on the Act. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm#Magnuson-Moss The manufacturer cannot require you to use authorized service or use only OEM-badged products unless they can prove detrimental effect to the FTC's satisfaction. Here is the meat of the issue, as it applies to motorcycle scheduled maintenance, from the FTC, under the heading of "tie-ins"-- "Tie-In Sales" Provisions Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions. >>In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty.<< While you cannot use a tie-in sales provision, your warranty need not cover use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate for your product. The following is an example of a permissible provision that excludes coverage of such things. >>While necessary maintenance or repairs on your AudioMundo Stereo System can be performed by any company, we recommend that you use only authorized AudioMundo dealers. Improper or incorrectly performed maintenance or repair voids this warranty.<< Although tie-in sales provisions generally are not allowed, you can include such a provision in your warranty if you can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the FTC that your product will not work properly without a specified item or service. If you believe that this is the case, you should contact the warranty staff of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection for information on how to apply for a waiver of the tie-in sales prohibition. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 13:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4I0aO7014306; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:00:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4I0ax7014298; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:00:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204180032.25161.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Snow tires To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005501c29b9c$df0fe700$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > Does anyone know of any good snow tires for a Honda > Nighthawk? lol > http://www.tiregrip.com I used it one day last year. I was able to ride nearly 300 miles that day. More than half of those miles were in snow. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 13:26:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4IQPO7015471; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:26:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4IQOIe015463; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:26:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: Re: Magnuson-Moss Act, was Re: Jiffy Lube In-Reply-To: <023901c29bbe$e9775a80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > This post touches on a widespread misconception about manufacturer's > warranties. There's a lot of confusion out there on the subject of > "authorized service" and the voiding of manufacturer's warranties. Federal > law, the Magnuson-Moss Act specifically, forbids making warranties subject > to "tie-in" purchases of products or services such as requiring you to have > routine periodic maintenance performed at a dealer. It may be different if > the service is free though. You can do *all* the work yourself if you > follow the Owner's Manual, manufacturer's Service Manual and document it. > In short the burden is on the manufacturer to prove that non-authorized > service is detrimental. Except in the case of Nick's A4, the manufacturer covers EVERYTHING for the first 50k miles. Same with my Audi and Mercedes. Wiper blades wear? Free. Mobil 1 oil changes? Free. Brake pads? Free. Stuff like tires aren't covered (damn it ;-) ). You'd be insane not to go back to the dealer for service. Mercedes, BMW and Audi all provide this service. I'm not sure about other manufacturers. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 13:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4IQaO7015500; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:26:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4IQaku015495; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:26:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:26:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <003601c29bad$ee08b230$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> In-Reply-To: <003601c29bad$ee08b230$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212041326317W.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 04 December 2002 10:58, Jon Strang wrote: > Carl, > > I think the Jiffy Lubes are scammers. They push all sorts of maintenance > you don't need, and I'll bet each tech starts the day with a fresh bag of > metal shavings to scare the hell out of the customers. Now if you *know* > you need you auto xmission fluid flushed and changed, go ahead and let them > do it. But go into the Jiffy Lube after reading your manual with a hard > list of what you want done. > I think they're all doing work that others don't want to or can't do. That they hire minimum wage slaves or push unnecessary work is part of the problem. While they certainly could have filled the tray with filings, they couldn't have filled it with black transmission fluid since I always stand at my car and watch them do the work. When the guy under the truck dropped the transmission pan, I was watching. The smell and the black transmission fluid reminded me of when my NOVA's transmission fluid wasn't changed by my wife while I was overseas. She had the car for two years before the transmission failed. I went in specifically to get my anti-freeze flushed. It was time and I didn't have the spare time to deal with it. I have changed my oil, several times but since it was there, I had them do that. Now, I don't know that the transmission flush was worth 160 bucks but still. They did use up at least 3 gallons of fluid assuming the marks were for quarts. > Does your manual specify a "mineral oil" flush? I'll bet not. BTW, > mineral oil can mean any oil that is not vegetable or synthetic oil (e.g. > $1/quart at Walmart). > No, which is why I didn't even consider it. I've dealt with them before and have never had a problem. I was just wondering about this mineral oil bath they were trying to give me :-) Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 13:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4IWsO7015884; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:32:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4IWs78015872; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:32:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145150D3@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'zetland@XXXXXX'" , "'thelostshark@XXXXXX'" Subject: Really Good Advice Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:33:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Blanck baited with "Anyone have recommendations for superwarm gloves?" Jon joined in with " www.widder.com " and "You'll never go back once you try electrics." Two snaps and a triple "Uh huh" FWIW, opinions have been that the leather Gerbing Gloves are more protective than the Widder (but they run small). A cheaper alternative could be: https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id= I haven't tried these (Already have a pair of Gerbings) alternatives to bungee nets?: Alex asked, "Do any of you have ideas for an alternative to bungee nets? I'm getting a little tired of replacing them after they stretch out and I've never been entirely confident about their stability when strapping down bulky stuff or riding at higher speeds." Take two appropriately sized bungee cords, Tie 'em in the middle with a square knot. One set of hooks go onto the passenger foot peg thingies. Depending on the size of your load, the other set of hooks go on the body work, over your turnsignal stalks, or wherever. (gotta love those new plastic hooks) A set lasts about two years in year around weather exposure. Old weird and the original Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 13:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4Im9O7016624; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:48:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Im9Zl016614; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:48:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145150D5@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: High Idle Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:48:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Fish Flowers fished with, "What's the proper way to adjust for a very high idle?" IIRC a GS 500 E? Uh, try the "idle adjustment knob". It's probably a black plastic knob under the carbs. You have the furnished factory manual? Chris Weaver elaborated, "On the bikes that I've owned, there's always been a small knob that you turn to change the idle speed. <> Also, you might find that your throttle cables are too tight. Right where the cables come away from the bar, there should be a pair of nuts that you can back out and snug against each other. Fiddle with this until you have a few millimeters of play between fully-closed and tension on the cables. Yet again, RTFM*. *Old acronym: "Read The F-ing Manual." Not "Furnished or Factory" Manual" Oh dear. =8^O Carl in Brr-thesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 13:51:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4IpoO7016954; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:51:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4IpnXC016917; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:51:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEE5006.544BE5A8@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:57:10 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "S. Russell (Mongo)" CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021204075322.05ae0800@fbody.com> <010c01c29ba5$29e6dce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3DEE1A03.6C42A6EC@patriot.net> <003701c29bac$77c1b960$9865fea9@Godzilla> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > Whatever happened to the Vienna, VA Volvo's? > > Scott > That was Falls Church, VA, courtesy of Don Beyer Volvo. The cute young thang who I drafted to race A stock hydros got a ticket there. Screw the fine and points, all she yammered about was the *cute* police car. Did I mention she was blonde? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 13:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4IwnO7017333; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:58:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4IwnsN017325; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:58:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEE51AE.2D6DBA92@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:04:14 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: "'Carl Schelin'" , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube References: <003601c29bad$ee08b230$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Strang wrote: > Carl, > > I think the Jiffy Lubes are scammers. They push all sorts of maintenance > you don't need, and I'll bet each tech starts the day with a fresh bag of > metal shavings to scare the hell out of the customers. Now if you *know* > you need you auto xmission fluid flushed and changed, go ahead and let them > do it. But go into the Jiffy Lube after reading your manual with a hard > list of what you want done. > > Does your manual specify a "mineral oil" flush? I'll bet not. BTW, mineral > oil can mean any oil that is not vegetable or synthetic oil (e.g. $1/quart > at Walmart). > > --jon the cynic Jiffy lube does okay, but I had to pay extra to get real oil instead of Pennsy crude, and the buggers kept refilling and hooking up my windshield washer even after I said NO! The cheap crapola Chevy Camaro Z-28 washer went of WFO the second you turned the wipers on, bad switch I reckon - buried in the steering column so a fix cost mega-bucks. I just unplugged the washer, but JL kept hooking it back up! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 14:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4J80O7017719; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:08:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4J7xYa017706; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:07:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204190752.67554.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:07:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Magnuson-Moss Act, was Re: Jiffy Lube To: Wayne Edelen , "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > This post touches on a widespread misconception > about manufacturer's > > warranties. There's a lot of confusion out there > on the subject of > > "authorized service" and the voiding of > manufacturer's warranties. Federal > > law, the Magnuson-Moss Act specifically, forbids > making warranties subject > > to "tie-in" purchases of products or services such > as requiring you to have > > routine periodic maintenance performed at a > dealer. It may be different if > > the service is free though. You can do *all* the > work yourself if you > > follow the Owner's Manual, manufacturer's Service > Manual and document it. > > In short the burden is on the manufacturer to > prove that non-authorized > > service is detrimental. > > Except in the case of Nick's A4, the manufacturer > covers EVERYTHING for > the first 50k miles. Same with my Audi and > Mercedes. Wiper blades wear? > Free. Mobil 1 oil changes? Free. Brake pads? > Free. Stuff like tires > aren't covered (damn it ;-) ). > > You'd be insane not to go back to the dealer for > service. Mercedes, BMW > and Audi all provide this service. I'm not sure > about other > manufacturers. Yeah, I just had new rotors put on the rear with new pads. Only one side was below spec and they did both. I also got new front control arms (had a horrible squeak coming from the front end when hitting bumps-I figured it was dried bushings). The first time I ever took the car to Tischer, they plugged a tire for free, didn't even tell me anything was wrong until I picked up the car. I thought they provided exceptional service. Nick > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 14:58:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4JwqO7018391; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:58:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4JwpNS018381; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:58:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009301c29bcf$cb291d00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Wayne Edelen" , "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" References: Subject: Re: Magnuson-Moss Act, was Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:59:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Magnuson-Moss Act, was Re: Jiffy Lube > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > This post touches on a widespread misconception about manufacturer's > > warranties. There's a lot of confusion out there on the subject of > > "authorized service" and the voiding of manufacturer's warranties. Federal > > law, the Magnuson-Moss Act specifically, forbids making warranties subject > > to "tie-in" purchases of products or services such as requiring you to have > > routine periodic maintenance performed at a dealer. .. > > Except in the case of Nick's A4, the manufacturer covers EVERYTHING for > the first 50k miles. Same with my Audi and Mercedes. Wiper blades wear? > Free. Mobil 1 oil changes? Free. Brake pads? Free. Stuff like tires > aren't covered (damn it ;-) ). > > You'd be insane not to go back to the dealer for service. Mercedes, BMW > and Audi all provide this service. I'm not sure about other > manufacturers. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I guess my taste for crummy old "pre-owned" down-market automobiles is showing. :) In any event, too many people think they're "voiding the warranty" by wrenching a bike themselves, using an independent shop, or changing the oil with non-OEM badged products. A friend of mine bought a BMW bike and was paying a bloody fortune for routine maintenance at the dealer under this mistaken assumption. $400 for an oil change and a few other nips and tucks. I can buy a helluva lot of tools and a factory service manual for that kind of scratch. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:10:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KAfO7018798; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:10:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KAevd018788; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:10:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: Re: Magnuson-Moss Act, was Re: Jiffy Lube In-Reply-To: <009301c29bcf$cb291d00$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > I guess my taste for crummy old "pre-owned" down-market automobiles is > showing. :) In any event, too many people think they're "voiding the Nah, I have plenty of crummy old pre-owned down-market autos. I just like my daily drivers to be new ;-) > warranty" by wrenching a bike themselves, using an independent shop, or > changing the oil with non-OEM badged products. A friend of mine bought a > BMW bike and was paying a bloody fortune for routine maintenance at the > dealer under this mistaken assumption. $400 for an oil change and a few > other nips and tucks. I can buy a helluva lot of tools and a > factory service manual for that kind of scratch. Oh yeah, this is what I do in my spare time - http://www.purplecar.org/030302/P0001945.html :-) I don't mind working on cars at all. I agree 100% with what you're saying, just clarifying that peeps like Nick have a compelling financial reason for heading back to the dealer for simple things like an oil change. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KIQO7019152; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:18:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KIQYU019142; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:18:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204201819.14198.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:18:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Magnuson-Moss Act, was Re: Jiffy Lube To: Paul Wilson , Wayne Edelen , "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" In-Reply-To: <009301c29bcf$cb291d00$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Edelen" > To: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: Magnuson-Moss Act, was Re: Jiffy Lube > > > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > > This post touches on a widespread misconception > about manufacturer's > > > warranties. There's a lot of confusion out > there on the subject of > > > "authorized service" and the voiding of > manufacturer's warranties. > Federal > > > law, the Magnuson-Moss Act specifically, forbids > making warranties > subject > > > to "tie-in" purchases of products or services > such as requiring you to > have > > > routine periodic maintenance performed at a > dealer. .. > > > > Except in the case of Nick's A4, the manufacturer > covers EVERYTHING for > > the first 50k miles. Same with my Audi and > Mercedes. Wiper blades wear? > > Free. Mobil 1 oil changes? Free. Brake pads? > Free. Stuff like tires > > aren't covered (damn it ;-) ). > > > > You'd be insane not to go back to the dealer for > service. Mercedes, BMW > > and Audi all provide this service. I'm not sure > about other > > manufacturers. > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > I guess my taste for crummy old "pre-owned" > down-market automobiles is > showing. :) In any event, too many people think > they're "voiding the > warranty" by wrenching a bike themselves, using an > independent shop, or > changing the oil with non-OEM badged products. A > friend of mine bought a > BMW bike and was paying a bloody fortune for routine > maintenance at the > dealer under this mistaken assumption. $400 for an > oil change and a few > other nips and tucks. I can buy a > helluva lot of tools and a > factory service manual for that kind of scratch. Pual, I think you're right. Most people think they void theor warranty by working on their own stuff. My Civic that I bought new, hell I did everything myself(BTW, Valve Adjust on a DOHC VTEC is a Royal Pain in the ASS without the right tool!!). Everyone I knew said that I would void the warranty. I called Honda, they said I would void the warranty if I didn't use OE Parts, including gaskets, oil filters, fuel filter, etc. Otherwise I was in the clear. The dealer didn't even say anything to me when I took it in for theft recovery repairs about my Header, Cold Air Intake, and Exhaust. I think even if you did not use OE parts, they wouldn't give a fat rats elbow, at least form what I've seen. I have also heard (For any M3 owners out here) of BMW owners blowing their cars up, and trying to claim it as warranty. Apparantly there is something in the computer that records all sorts of engine outputs, Last known RPM, Vehicle speed and a few other things. My buddy at VOB showed me a new M3 motor that had 2 pistons hanging out of the side of the block. Customer said he was driving along and BAM!!! BMW North America comes out, plugs in a Laptop the the car's ECU and gets this data, tells the dealer to decline warranty service then leaves. According to the data retrieved, the customer went from 6th gear to 5th at 152 mph (for some unknown reason) and blew the hell out of that motor. Needless to say the customer ponied up the 14k for the motor!! (Sorry for the lenght) Nick > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:18:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KIwO7019183; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:18:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KIwRc019179; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:18:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00bf01c29bd2$97f74f80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , Cc: "'Carl Schelin'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <003601c29bad$ee08b230$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> <3DEE51AE.2D6DBA92@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:18:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > > Jiffy lube does okay, but I had to pay extra to get real oil instead of Pennsy > crude, and the buggers kept refilling and hooking up my windshield washer even > after I said NO! The cheap crapola Chevy Camaro Z-28 washer went of WFO the > second you turned the wipers on, bad switch I reckon - buried in the steering > column so a fix cost mega-bucks. I just unplugged the washer, but JL kept > hooking it back up! > > Bill > LOL. Jiffy-Lube and refilling windshield washing fluid. More than a few moons ago, when I was Down South (tm) for a time I had the oil changed and "fluids topped off." You're right Bill, they're fastidious with the fluid topping off! Late Fall, Nov., right before Thanksgiving. Drive up to the Great White North (Ohio), where male brass monkeys fear to tread in the winter, for the holidays. Doing about 60 on the highway, hit the washer in sub-10-degree temps. Windshield is instantly a haze of ice. WTF? I guess Down South, Jiffy-Lube saves 2 cents per gallon by buying straight water with blue food coloring instead of windshield washer fluid containing alcohol that doesn't freeze on contact. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KMCO7019242; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:22:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KMC8m019233; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:22:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204202209.68416.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: let ski season begin! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii or something like that I guess. I wonder if the snow will actually make it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in the hills and foothills. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KOmO7019885; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:24:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KOkYe019870; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:24:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: let ski season begin! Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:23:15 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <010801c29bd2$fa974410$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20021204202209.68416.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal already begun... went boarding on Sunday at Wisp and the conditions were surprisingly good. a lot of packed powder, very little ice or bare spots on the hills that were open. -jim > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:22 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: let ski season begin! > > > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the snow will > actually make > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in the hills > and foothills. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:25:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KPNO7019915; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:25:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KPNRC019909; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:25:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204202521.63776.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: let ski season begin! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021204202209.68416.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of such, Snowshoe is supposed to get over 10" between tonight and tomorrow. I'm headed there very early tomorrow morning. If anyone wants to go shoot me an e-mail. I'll be heading back to DC around 3 or 4 tomorrow afternoon. Glenn --- matthew patton wrote: > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the snow > will actually make > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in > the hills and foothills. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:29:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KTJO7020264; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:29:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KTJbm020256; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:29:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011001c29bd3$c99539c0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Glenn Dysart" , References: <20021204202521.63776.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: let ski season begin! Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:29:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Snowshoe has been open for over a week now, with fake snow. The others (Canaan, Timberline) are expected to open on Friday, but it is already cold enough there. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: let ski season begin! > Speaking of such, Snowshoe is supposed to get over 10" > between tonight and tomorrow. I'm headed there very > early tomorrow morning. If anyone wants to go shoot > me an e-mail. I'll be heading back to DC around 3 or > 4 tomorrow afternoon. > > Glenn > --- matthew patton wrote: > > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the snow > > will actually make > > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in > > the hills and foothills. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KcKO7021236; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:38:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KcKqD021228; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:38:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204203818.90269.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: let ski season begin! To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <010801c29bd2$fa974410$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not to brag, but this is where I will be for a week over New YEar's http://www.alpedhuez.com/doc/webcams.asp --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > already begun... went boarding on Sunday at Wisp > and the conditions > were surprisingly good. a lot of packed powder, > very little ice or bare > spots on the hills that were open. > > -jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:22 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: let ski season begin! > > > > > > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the > snow will > > actually make > > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in > the hills > > and foothills. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KeSO7021285; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:40:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KeRFR021276; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:40:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: let ski season begin! Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:38:55 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <010901c29bd5$2bb189f0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20021204203818.90269.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal And I thought I was special since I'm going to Vermont next weekend! Looks like a blast... > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:38 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: let ski season begin! > > > Not to brag, but this is where I will be for a week > over New YEar's > > http://www.alpedhuez.com/doc/webcams.asp > > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > already begun... went boarding on Sunday at Wisp > > and the conditions > > were surprisingly good. a lot of packed powder, > > very little ice or bare > > spots on the hills that were open. > > > > -jim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:22 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: let ski season begin! > > > > > > > > > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the > > snow will > > > actually make > > > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in > > the hills > > > and foothills. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:45:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4Kj5O7021340; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:45:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Kj5pc021330; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:45:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012e01c29bd6$41846ee0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , References: <20021204202209.68416.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: let ski season begin! Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:46:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 No doubt panicked shoppers have picked the store shelves clean of bread, milk, eggs and toilet paper. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the snow will actually make > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in the hills and foothills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:48:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4KmvO7022013; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:48:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4KmvoU022005; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:48:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012901c29bd6$88300430$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20021204203818.90269.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: OT: Now for something completely different Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:48:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Okay, had to give this to all, I will give it a great performance. http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/kcm/cartoon.htm On the snow topic, channel 9 has started the bread-o-meter, what has this world come too. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 15:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4Kv4O7022681; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:57:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Kv48u022671; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:57:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204155621.00bdfae0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:56:59 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: let ski season begin! In-Reply-To: <20021204203818.90269.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <010801c29bd2$fa974410$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:38 PM 12/4/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Not to brag, but this is where I will be for a week >over New YEar's > >http://www.alpedhuez.com/doc/webcams.asp well, we'll be exactly the opposite climate during the same time period. St. John in the USVI. -aki >--- Jim McGonigle wrote: >> >> already begun... went boarding on Sunday at Wisp >> and the conditions >> were surprisingly good. a lot of packed powder, >> very little ice or bare >> spots on the hills that were open. >> >> -jim >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:22 PM >> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > Subject: let ski season begin! >> > >> > >> > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the >> snow will >> > actually make >> > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in >> the hills >> > and foothills. >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up >> now. >> > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 16:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4LWAO7023399; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:32:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4LWAXD023388; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:32:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204213208.98126.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: let ski season begin! To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021204203818.90269.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Not to brag, but this is where I will be for a week > over New YEar's > > http://www.alpedhuez.com/doc/webcams.asp Looks a lot different than it did during the Tour de France. We'll be up in Quebec City for the holidays -- almost as French, and we can drive the Bimmer instead of fly and rent... Anyone have any restaurant recommendations in Quebec City or Montreal? -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 16:40:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4LenO7023768; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4LenDK023759; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204214045.3517.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: let ski season begin! To: Larry Larson , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021204213208.98126.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My fiance is from about 90 minutes from Alpe d'Huez. Went there last year two and driving up you can see lots of evidence of the Tour de France. The road is so steep and curvey I just could not imagine riding a bike up it (but I do imagine riding a motorcycle...soon I hope!) Mark --- Larry Larson wrote: > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Not to brag, but this is where I will be for a > week > > over New YEar's > > > > http://www.alpedhuez.com/doc/webcams.asp > > Looks a lot different than it did during the Tour de > France. > > We'll be up in Quebec City for the holidays -- > almost > as French, and we can drive the Bimmer instead of > fly > and rent... Anyone have any restaurant > recommendations > in Quebec City or Montreal? > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 17:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4Mr7O7024872; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:53:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Mr7vU024861; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:53:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204225300.30625.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:53:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: let ski season begin! To: Aki Damme , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204155621.00bdfae0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii caneel bay in st. john may just be the perfect place. you staying there? i WILL be returning in my lifetime to st. john with a small sportbike in the back of a boat. the roads on this mountainous island are incredible. --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 03:38 PM 12/4/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Not to brag, but this is where I will be for a week > >over New YEar's > > > >http://www.alpedhuez.com/doc/webcams.asp > > > well, we'll be exactly the opposite climate during the > same > time period. St. John in the USVI. > > -aki > > > > > > >--- Jim McGonigle wrote: > >> > >> already begun... went boarding on Sunday at Wisp > >> and the conditions > >> were surprisingly good. a lot of packed powder, > >> very little ice or bare > >> spots on the hills that were open. > >> > >> -jim > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:22 PM > >> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > Subject: let ski season begin! > >> > > >> > > >> > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the > >> snow will > >> > actually make > >> > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in > >> the hills > >> > and foothills. > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > >> now. > >> > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 17:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4MrqO7024900; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:53:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4Mrq2A024894; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:53:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204225344.66994.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:53:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: let ski season begin! To: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <010901c29bd5$2bb189f0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii don't fret. you are both very, very special to us. --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > And I thought I was special since I'm going to Vermont > next weekend! > Looks like a blast... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:38 PM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: let ski season begin! > > > > > > Not to brag, but this is where I will be for a week > > over New YEar's > > > > http://www.alpedhuez.com/doc/webcams.asp __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 18:01:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4N1LO7025872; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:01:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4N1Lm3025864; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204230114.6568.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:01:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <010c01c29ba5$29e6dce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ah, who gives a shit? as a maryland resident, i know i don't. why do you as a d.c. resident, paul? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Edelen" > > A Camaro with the B4C package (the 'Police' package) > isn't $30k, it's > > closer to $23k. Add in fleet discounts and the cars > aren't any more > > expensive than the Impalas and Crown Vics they drive. > > > Be that as it may, with local governments crying the > blues about how "broke" > they are, why are there any new police vehicles in this > budget cycle, let > along specialty vehicles. And I notice the Guv is in the > paper this morning > with a re-structuring program (deck-chair rearranging) in > order to save > money within the state gubmint. A good idea, to be sure, > but why is this > not done as a matter of course? Why wait until the > wolves are at the door > and the deficits are mounting to streamline government? > Why didn't the > "small government conservatives" George Allen and Jim > Gilmore get the job > done during their eight years in office? "Small gubmint" > makes a nice > bumper sticker slogan, but actually doing it is another > matter. How many > government agencies and programs did Newt actually > eliminate? > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 18:04:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4N4qO7026239; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:04:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4N4qlA026231; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:04:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204180158.02ed9e78@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:04:47 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: let ski season begin! In-Reply-To: <20021204225300.30625.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204155621.00bdfae0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just down the street actually. We rented a condo and of course, a car. Went there last year as well. We usually pick a different island down there each year to go to but this is our third trip there in 5 years because, quite honestly, we think it's one of the the most beautiful of all that we've gone to. And not nearly as damn expensive as the Caymans either. Funny you should mention the roads. I was telling Jen last time we were there how GREAT it would of been to have a bike on the island. -aki At 05:53 PM 12/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >caneel bay in st. john may just be the perfect place. you >staying there? > >i WILL be returning in my lifetime to st. john with a small >sportbike in the back of a boat. the roads on this >mountainous island are incredible. > > > >--- Aki Damme wrote: >> At 03:38 PM 12/4/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >> >Not to brag, but this is where I will be for a week >> >over New YEar's >> > >> >http://www.alpedhuez.com/doc/webcams.asp >> >> >> well, we'll be exactly the opposite climate during the >> same >> time period. St. John in the USVI. >> >> -aki >> >> >> >> >> >> >--- Jim McGonigle wrote: >> >> >> >> already begun... went boarding on Sunday at Wisp >> >> and the conditions >> >> were surprisingly good. a lot of packed powder, >> >> very little ice or bare >> >> spots on the hills that were open. >> >> >> >> -jim >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:22 PM >> >> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> > Subject: let ski season begin! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the >> >> snow will >> >> > actually make >> >> > it this far east. Figure it'll dump most of it in >> >> the hills >> >> > and foothills. >> >> > >> >> > __________________________________________________ >> >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> >> > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up >> >> now. >> >> > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >===== >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do you Yahoo!? >> >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >> >http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 18:05:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4N58O7026278; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:05:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4N58HA026274; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:05:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009101c29be9$8b950680$262d2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" , "DC Cycles" References: <20021204203818.90269.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> <012901c29bd6$88300430$9865fea9@Godzilla> Subject: Re: Now for something completely different Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Russell (Mongo)" > Okay, had to give this to all, I will give it a great performance. > > http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/kcm/cartoon.htm > > On the snow topic, channel 9 has started the bread-o-meter, what has this > world come too. > > Scott > Warning, depending on your place of employment, the link is not fully "cube friendly." :) I've found the whole snowstorm hoarding syndrome a little baffling. This sort of thing doesn't happen in more northerly places. Channel 9 has the following on-line poll-- (it's a real brain bender, folks) How does our community react to the threat of snow? Overreact Underreact About right http://www.wusatv9.com/ Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 18:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4NFVO7026950; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:15:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4NFUeU026942; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:15:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021204231523.85295.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles To: Tom Gimer , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <20021204230114.6568.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul is just torn by the dichotomy of it all. He hates government waste and yet he would like to have a police force that actually responds to citizens complaints. Did you know that at one time, MPD officers would take the bus to their patrol area which was a foot beat, or get dropped off at their foot beat by other officers in cruisers. This was not because community policing is a good idea and the officers became closer to the community by walking around. This was because a large percentage of the police fleet was inoperative. Cars were getting picked apart to keep other cars running. Todd --- Tom Gimer wrote: > ah, who gives a shit? as a maryland resident, i > know i > don't. why do you as a d.c. resident, paul? > > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wayne Edelen" > > > A Camaro with the B4C package (the 'Police' > package) > > isn't $30k, it's > > > closer to $23k. Add in fleet discounts and the > cars > > aren't any more > > > expensive than the Impalas and Crown Vics they > drive. > > > > > Be that as it may, with local governments crying > the > > blues about how "broke" > > they are, why are there any new police vehicles in > this > > budget cycle, let > > along specialty vehicles. And I notice the Guv is > in the > > paper this morning > > with a re-structuring program (deck-chair > rearranging) in > > order to save > > money within the state gubmint. A good idea, to > be sure, > > but why is this > > not done as a matter of course? Why wait until > the > > wolves are at the door > > and the deficits are mounting to streamline > government? > > Why didn't the > > "small government conservatives" George Allen and > Jim > > Gilmore get the job > > done during their eight years in office? "Small > gubmint" > > makes a nice > > bumper sticker slogan, but actually doing it is > another > > matter. How many > > government agencies and programs did Newt actually > > eliminate? > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 18:34:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB4NYfO7027385; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:34:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB4NYecn027377; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:34:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 4 Dec 2002 23:34:36 GMT Message-ID: <003501c29bed$ae119ee0$20fea8c0@david> From: "Dave Yates" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021204231523.85295.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FFAX has new pursuit vehicles Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:34:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Todd pointed out some 'Irony of situation' : > Paul is just torn by the dichotomy of it all. He hates > government waste and yet he would like to have a > police force that actually responds to citizens > complaints. [Dave] Don't confuse the two - the waste part is largely the fault of the FFX board of stupidvisors. The creating & responding to citizen complaints largely the domain of the FFX police ;-) > > Did you know that at one time, MPD officers would take > the bus to their patrol area which was a foot beat, or > get dropped off at their foot beat by other officers > in cruisers. This was not because community policing > is a good idea and the officers became closer to the > community by walking around. This was because a large > percentage of the police fleet was inoperative. Cars > were getting picked apart to keep other cars running. [Dave] Would that be about the same time that MPD had the largest number of officers under indictment on Earth ? It's truly disgraceful when even third world dictatorships have less felons serving the community :-| Tough to keep the cars running when they get 'picked apart' literally ... Maybe Virginia should take Chief Ramsey off of DC's hands as a financial advisor. He can't get the murders solved, but he sure knows how to pad the coffers... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 19:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB50hjO7030005; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:43:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB50hPOk029990; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:43:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Another unfortunate incident Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal This is what happened to me yesterday. Let's all be careful out there... So, today is the coldest day to date. 27 degrees Fahrenheit and I get on the RT to ride to work. It's only a 10 minute ride, so I'm not too worried about being cold. I stop at the stop sign at the front of my street and there's a minivan coming from my right and no one to my left. Ah, plenty o time. Squirt out onto the street and the next thing I know the rear tire is sliding and the bike is going down on the left side. I'm spit off and I'm tumbling on my vertical axis quite a few times (man, does that chick have a great verticle axis, or what?). I finally stop, get up turn around to find the bike, and minivans and cars are littered all around as everyone stops to look at the crazy person rolling around in the street. Lots of concerned questions. 'I'm fine' I declare, 'just help me get my bike up'. Help ensues. Bike is however, lying on it's RIGHT side. Oh no. I managed to trash both sides of the bike in one spill. I think it went down on the left but the highway peg caught on something and that flipped it over onto the right. How lucky can I be??? Well, pretty lucky, actually. I'm in good shape - injury wise with only bruises and soreness. Bike's got lots of little dings on both highway pegs (right one's squashed) and both cases. Apparently one of the mounting points for the right mirror is bent as it doesn't want to snap back into place, so I've got it taped on for now. Brand new Arrow helmet has rash on the chin bar, the visor and the back. Jacket has new holes in both shoulders. New Rukka pants have a hole in the left knee. Gloves have a hole in the right pinky. The onlookers were amazed that I wasn't broken and bent, but didn't understand when I asked if anyone saw the bike flip over. I guess they were watching me pirouette lengthwise down the street. After the adrenaline wore off (after I had been at work for an hour or so), things started to hurt. Knee (under hole), right hand fingers (under hole) etc. I'll be lucky if I can move tomorrow AND it's supposed to snow. Just think what kind of shape I'd be in if I had BAD luck... LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 20:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB51ZtO7030552; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:35:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB51Zt6G030542; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:35:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:51:41 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Another unfortunate incident In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, LindaT. wrote: > This is what happened to me yesterday. Let's all be careful out there... [...] > After the adrenaline wore off (after I had been at work for an hour or so), > things started to hurt. Knee (under hole), right hand fingers (under hole) > etc. I'll be lucky if I can move tomorrow AND it's supposed to snow. > > Just think what kind of shape I'd be in if I had BAD luck... > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags That sucks, Linda. Glad you're ok (for the most part)! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 20:46:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB51kkO7030931; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:46:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB51kjZ9030921; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:46:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 5 Dec 2002 01:46:42 GMT Message-ID: <008501c29c00$21d90900$20fea8c0@david> From: "Dave Yates" To: "Dc-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Another unfortunate incident Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:46:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Linda Lamented: > > This is what happened to me yesterday. Let's all be careful out there... > [...] > > After the adrenaline wore off (after I had been at work for an hour or so), > > things started to hurt. Knee (under hole), right hand fingers (under hole) > > etc. I'll be lucky if I can move tomorrow AND it's supposed to snow. > > > > Just think what kind of shape I'd be in if I had BAD luck... [Dave] Yeah, it could be a LOT worse ! You could be Paul, suffering from a dichotomy ! ;-) Seriously, I'm glad you're ok. Speedy recovery for you and the bike. Dave Y From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 21:32:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB52WZO7031524; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:32:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB52WZgb031516; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:32:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <018601c29c06$85cbfbb0$262d2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , "Dc-Cycles" References: <008501c29c00$21d90900$20fea8c0@david> Subject: Re: Another unfortunate incident Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:32:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: "Dc-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Another unfortunate incident > Linda Lamented: > > > This is what happened to me yesterday. Let's all be careful out > there... > > [...] > > > After the adrenaline wore off (after I had been at work for an hour or > so), > > > things started to hurt. Knee (under hole), right hand fingers (under > hole) > > > etc. I'll be lucky if I can move tomorrow AND it's supposed to snow. > > > > > > Just think what kind of shape I'd be in if I had BAD luck... > > [Dave] Yeah, it could be a LOT worse ! You could be Paul, suffering from a > dichotomy ! ;-) > Linda, glad you emerged mostly unscathed. Cold tires = not fun. I caught myself yesterday not thinking "winter = hard tires" when it comes to managing the traction. As for my affliction, I'd much prefer a dichotomy to a lobotomy, or as Dorothy Parker remarked, "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F (the latter being the lean, mean snow fighting machine -- bring it on baby) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 21:37:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB52bMO7031881; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:37:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB52bLe4031866; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:37:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002201c29c03$8d0a69a0$84815b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Cellphones on the ropes Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:10:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 More on cells, this an in-depth take on national legal/court issues, particularly relating to traffic. About 3 cols worth starting p.1 in Tuesday's paper where a motorcyclist and Virginia are mentioned in the first paras. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Loud pipes save lives by causing hangups Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/03/technology/03CELL.html (probable free registration) Doing Business by Cellphone Creates New Liability Issues By JONATHAN D. GLATER Mobile phones, two-way pagers and other tools of modern life now mean that business can be conducted just about anywhere at any time. But that technological boon may make companies liable if employees using those gadgets are involved in accidents )B— usually car accidents. Already, Smith Barney, the investment banking firm, has paid $500,000 to settle a lawsuit brought by the family of a motorcyclist killed in Pennsylvania by one of its brokers who was talking on the phone while driving, according to a lawyer for the victim's family. But in Minnesota, where a psychiatric nurse reached for her cellphone while driving home and rammed another car, the jury concluded that answering the call was not part of her job. The resulting confusion over the law is one reason that employers and their lawyers will be closely observing the outcome of a suit filed in Virginia against a law firm whose associate was driving and, the plaintiffs contend, talking to clients when she killed a teenage girl in the summer of 2000. That trial is scheduled to begin next week. . . .. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 22:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB53FAO7032367; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:15:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB53F8jg032360; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:15:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c29c08$d4366040$84815b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: let ski season begin! Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:48:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: Aki Damme . . .snip well, we'll be exactly the opposite climate during the same time period. St. John in the USVI. -aki I'll never forget, a bunch of years back, on St. Thomas, trying to rent a plane for a couple of hours (private license). On the phone they said "Sure, come on down." So to that (mountain bordered) airport I went and was shown the cosmetically challenged Cessna 150. With plainly nonworking altimeter and airspeed. I said "It's probably against the law here without these." "Not much checking in these parts" says he, in funny English. Thinking it might take a while to find all that was not guaranteed to get me back, I left, brokenhearted, to finish just scootering around the island. Great times, as it turned out. Always dreamt of upgrading to twin-engine and hopping Miami to Trinidad. Bon voyage, Aki Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I want an altimeter/airspeed for jumping over deer. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 22:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB53frO7000339; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:41:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB53frrD000329; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:41:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another unfortunate incident Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:30:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2002 03:30:30.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[A93715F0:01C29C0E] Wow. Glad you're ok and able to write about it, Linda. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Another unfortunate incident Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:43:02 -0500 This is what happened to me yesterday. Let's all be careful out there... _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 23:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB54JaO7000825; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:19:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB54JZ0K000815; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:19:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:17:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gassing up To: Adam Wah Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DEED367.9663F0E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Adam Wah wrote: > > By the way... talking on Cell phones while gassing up is NOT intrinsically > safe... in other words... given the "right" conditions you could start a > blaze. It happens. Here's another way to start a fire at a gas station, just posted over on the COG list. With the recent cold snap, I shudder to think of all the folks who do this (start the pump, hop inside the car/truck/suv, hop out when done) Horkster Cosmicfrog@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well, I certainly had an interesting morning today. Ruined a perfectly > good jacket too. While a motorcycle wasn't involved, it's something to think > about when you fuel up. > I've got an old pickup that sits most of the time. I've been having > trouble with an electrical short and finally found it. As a result, the > carburetor has gotten gummed up. I added some fuel treatment and added a bit > of fuel to mix it. Once I got that puppy going, it was still about a half > tank low on fuel. So, head across the street to the gas station to fill up. > The pump wouldn't turn on. > As I'm standing there wondering what the problem is, I notice a BUNCH of > activity around a Suburban. It was about 25 degrees this morning and the wind > was woffing a bit so the chill factor was around 15. The woman had gotten > back into her truck to get out of the wind in spite of signs that say do not > leave unattended. When she noticed the pump had gotten to $10 she jumped out > and grabbed the pump handle to shut it off. She didn't touch the pump housing > or vehicle body before she did this. A static charge ignited the fuel vapors > coming out of her tank. A little gasoline had slopped and the side of the > truck was on fire. Alas, I have a fire extinguisher but haven't ever put it > in the truck as I hadn't driven it for a while. So I beat the flames out with > my work jacket. There wasn't much damage just a bit of paint smoked up and a > burned fuel cap. > Keep this in mind the next time you fuel up. Especially if you sit on the > bike to do it. > > Paul Markham > > You can't have everything. Where would you put it? -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 4 23:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB54PuO7000893; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:25:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB54Pt9f000884; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:25:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Another unfortunate incident Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thanks to all for the kind thoughts. Today I'm feel sore and creaky (and old). Tomorrow will no doubt, be better. Thanks LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 05:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5AxiO7003611; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:59:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5Axhse003601; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:59:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Woo hoo! From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 05 Dec 2002 05:59:31 -0500 Message-Id: <1039085976.10183.98.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Er, anyone even contemplating riding a bike this morning is absolutely nuts. Just drove Laura to the airport, it's ugly out there. The Tundra did ok with 4WD, but it's still not pleasant. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 06:28:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5BS3O7004061; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:28:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5BS3Z7004053; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:28:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:28:00 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: A Bold New Plan Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them people -- choose to pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their primary form of transportation. Come The Revolution, these fsckin' idiots will be the first ones up against the wall, but UNTIL THEN, let us find some useful purpose for them. Rather than allowing them to aim their Ford Excessives down the center (and only, in Maryland) lane of the Capitol Beltway at 20 mph at the first sign of snow, let us instead mandate that they must all mount snowplow attachments, and put themselves to work for the community. It might even increase the number of plows on the road. I mean, the way things are, what would happen if Bubba ran out of gas, and Jeb blew a tire? Both of the DC-area snowplows would be out of commission! ... Seriously, DC is not a safe place to drive in precipitate weather. I guess I've been spoiled by Chicago, which has properly-crowned roads, plenty of snowplows, drivers with a slightly-higher average level of clue, and more salt than the deep blue sea. Here, you have none of those things, and it's a warzone out there. I'm not kidding when I say the MD side of the Beltway was down to one lane at parts... Suck. Be careful out there, ladles and gentlemints. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 06:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5BerO7004501; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:40:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5BerxV004494; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:40:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan From: Brian Roach To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 05 Dec 2002 06:40:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1039088446.10171.104.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 06:28, Fish Flowers wrote: > Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them people -- choose to > pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their primary form of > transportation. Er, well ... yeah. How else do I tow a 7x16 trailer with 4 race bikes in it? :) The nuts are out there though... saw a "Capt. Invincible" damn near slam his SUV into the jersey barriers on 28 after passing me at what I would say was easily 50mph (I was doing about 35 and having to concentrate, 28 is a mess). - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 06:54:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5BsxO7004897; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:54:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5Bsxdr004884; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:54:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEF3E27.5080209@virtc.com> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 06:53:11 -0500 From: Andrew Flowers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan References: <1039088446.10171.104.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: >On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 06:28, Fish Flowers wrote: > > >>Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them people -- choose to >>pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their primary form of >>transportation. >> >> > >Er, well ... yeah. How else do I tow a 7x16 trailer with 4 race bikes in >it? :) > Hey, I have no problem with using SUVs in roles for which they were built -- towing, off-roading, haulin' stuff, plowing through snow drifts, etc. It's the people (like my parents) who haul nothing but themselves and their little toy dog, and who drive like fsckin' morons, that drive me up the wall. Fish. i hate gui mailreaders, snarl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 06:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5BtsO7004937; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:55:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5Btsum004932; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:55:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:11:39 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan In-Reply-To: <1039088446.10171.104.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Dec 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 06:28, Fish Flowers wrote: > > Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them people -- choose to > > pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their primary form of > > transportation. > > Er, well ... yeah. How else do I tow a 7x16 trailer with 4 race bikes in > it? :) No kidding. I use my truck to haul a race car/8.5x18 trailer. And I'm smart enough not to leave my house on days like today :-) Sitting here in my home office working, sipping my coffee, watching the news :-) > The nuts are out there though... saw a "Capt. Invincible" damn near slam > his SUV into the jersey barriers on 28 after passing me at what I would > say was easily 50mph (I was doing about 35 and having to concentrate, 28 > is a mess). My AWD car and my 4WD truck are sitting unused. People in this area are absolute idiots when it comes to inclement weather. I'd rather stay home. :-) According to the news there was an overturned tractor trailer on 270 at the spur and as they were reporting, a truck driving too fast on 355 lost control and caused an accident. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CF4O7005658; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:15:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CF4jt005650; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:15:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021205121501.21283.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Woo hoo! To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1039085976.10183.98.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > Er, anyone even contemplating riding a bike this > morning is absolutely > nuts. > Well, I wouldn't go that far. But . . . I did take the car to work this morning. That won't happen again, it cost me $12 for parking. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CIeO7005992; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:18:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CIeMU005987; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:18:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Woo hoo! From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021205121501.21283.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021205121501.21283.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 05 Dec 2002 07:18:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1039090713.10183.111.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On a completely serious note... you would actually think of riding in this stuff? I can't see how you could stay on two wheels for very long with all the thick slush that's piling up. - Roach On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 07:15, Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Brian Roach wrote: > > Er, anyone even contemplating riding a bike this > > morning is absolutely > > nuts. > > > > Well, I wouldn't go that far. But . . . I did take > the car to work this morning. That won't happen > again, it cost me $12 for parking. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CMLO7006349; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:22:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CMLC2006338; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:22:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021205060936.00b35c78@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 06:22:15 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:28 AM 12/5/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them people -- choose to >pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their primary form of >transportation. Come The Revolution, these fsckin' idiots will be the >first ones up against the wall, but UNTIL THEN, let us find some useful >purpose for them. hey! HEY!...I just happen to drive an SUV and *I* don't consider myself a sub-human. Be careful how broad a brush you use...it's the same thing the Hells Angels did to the rep of motorcycling. Pot - kettle - black. Not all of us think or drive like we're invincible. :-[ >Rather than allowing them to aim their Ford Excessives down the center >(and only, in Maryland) lane of the Capitol Beltway at 20 mph at the first >sign of snow, let us instead mandate that they must all mount snowplow >attachments, and put themselves to work for the community. Mine is a Durango. Bigger, more powerful engine in a smaller package so I forgive you. Make fun of as many Fords as you wish. 8-P >It might even increase the number of plows on the road. I mean, the way >things are, what would happen if Bubba ran out of gas, and Jeb blew a >tire? Both of the DC-area snowplows would be out of commission! Since the Williams administration, the snowplows in DC have been significantly more effective getting out and getting the main through fares clear than previous Mayors. Still not the best but a WHOLE lot better than it was before. Fairfax County Parkway, a major throughfare in No. Va., as of 7:10am hasn't been plowed, so it's not just DC. >... > >Seriously, DC is not a safe place to drive in precipitate weather. I guess >I've been spoiled by Chicago, which has properly-crowned roads, plenty of >snowplows, drivers with a slightly-higher average level of clue, and more >salt than the deep blue sea. Here, you have none of those things, and it's >a warzone out there. I'm not kidding when I say the MD side of the Beltway >was down to one lane at parts... Suck. Having worked at a Va. DMV, one thing that I noticed that is significantly different about the drivers in this area over a lot of metropolitan areas is that a majority of the drivers aren't even *from* this area. In fact, many aren't even from this *country*. Consequently, we have a very high level of transient drivers with experience driving in conditions that may be significantly different than this area. Sometimes seeing how some of them drive, I wonder if they're even from this *planet*. 8-P >Be careful out there, ladles and gentlemints. and everything in between. ;-) -aki >Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:29:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CTVO7006707; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:29:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CTUsf006699; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:29:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: A Bold New Plan Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:28:00 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <002001c29c59$c0e34f20$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: My SUV and me got to work w/ no issues... It's the driver, not the vehicle... BTW, I'd like to thank the little oriental girl in her corolla that had a death grip on the wheel driving down the middle of Great Seneca Hwy at 5 mph for making my commute down that road a PIA! -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:12 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan > > > On 5 Dec 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > > > On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 06:28, Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them > people -- choose to > > > pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their > primary form of > > > transportation. > > > > Er, well ... yeah. How else do I tow a 7x16 trailer with 4 > race bikes in > > it? :) > > No kidding. I use my truck to haul a race car/8.5x18 > trailer. And I'm > smart enough not to leave my house on days like today :-) > Sitting here > in my home office working, sipping my coffee, watching the news :-) > > > The nuts are out there though... saw a "Capt. Invincible" > damn near slam > > his SUV into the jersey barriers on 28 after passing me at > what I would > > say was easily 50mph (I was doing about 35 and having to > concentrate, 28 > > is a mess). > > My AWD car and my 4WD truck are sitting unused. People in > this area are > absolute idiots when it comes to inclement weather. I'd > rather stay home. > :-) According to the news there was an overturned tractor > trailer on 270 > at the spur and as they were reporting, a truck driving too > fast on 355 > lost control and caused an accident. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CWoO7007050; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:32:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CWoN8007045; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:32:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15b.18750603.2b20a16a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:32:42 EST Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/4/2002 1:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > I think they're all doing work that others don't want to or can't do. No. I think what they have done is skim the bread and butter (oil changes) from the old neighborhood garages. You know, the old guys that actually knew how to fix things. It put most of them out of business. > That they hire minimum wage slaves or push unnecessary work is part of the > problem. Lets not forget the 3000mi. oil change. It does not matter where you drive or how, according to them its all "Heavy" use for some damn reason or the other. Lord what a waste of resources! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CZPO7007401; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:35:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CZP96007392; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:35:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14b.18608f89.2b20a207@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:35:19 EST Subject: Re: Really Good Advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/4/2002 1:33:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > Take two appropriately sized bungee cords, Tie 'em in the middle with a > square knot. > A set lasts about two years in year around weather exposure. Hell, I have bungees that are of legal drinking age. Scary, but true. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CgKO7007758; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:42:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CgKCU007750; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:42:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1c2.290dab3.2b20a3a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:42:09 EST Subject: snow. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 hi everyone! i have been fighting a cold recently. blah. maybe the medication i'm taking in and the gook in my head has made me delusional? i glanced outside when i woke up and noticed snow. ive been listening to the news hearing all about the snow. it took me 15 minutes of news watching to find out that the average snow fall in the baltimore area is 3 inches! from all of the hoop-la going on, i thought we had at least 6-8 inches out there! unlike wayne, i will have to actually bundle up and make my way to work. it's probably easier for me to walk than drive --- i better find my snowboots! snifflie jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CnYO7008120; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:49:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CnXwx008112; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:49:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021205124931.71633.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:49:31 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Woo hoo! To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1039090713.10183.111.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > On a completely serious note... you would actually > think of riding in > this stuff? Yes, I would, but that's just me. I ride my bike when I go places. I don't ride a dirt bike, but it appears that the idea behind them is "See that spot over there, I don't think anyone can get a bike through that - - race ya through." I do some of the same on a street bike. I try to get out for a while every time it snows. Practice makes for a better rider. I don't race in the snow, but I do try to make it through. I agree it would be nice to practice on a road with no cars to run me over, but that isn't practical. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CqWO7008467; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:52:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CqWb6008462; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:52:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYEnm0AELVL35PEPOhjvM/uoRMLxYjcnldyrwZu1+FEKKAxjdJTTkUd/ltA1mVAsuA= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Brian Roach'" , Subject: RE: Woo hoo! Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c29c5d$2bbcf2d0$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1039090713.10183.111.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal This is good dirt bike weather. --jon (lived in CT, rode dirt bikes year-round) -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Woo hoo! On a completely serious note... you would actually think of riding in this stuff? I can't see how you could stay on two wheels for very long with all the thick slush that's piling up. - Roach On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 07:15, Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Brian Roach wrote: > > Er, anyone even contemplating riding a bike this > > morning is absolutely > > nuts. > > > > Well, I wouldn't go that far. But . . . I did take > the car to work this morning. That won't happen > again, it cost me $12 for parking. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 07:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5CuFO7008834; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:56:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5CuEO6008824; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:56:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212051256.PZF46051@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:57:34 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Gassing up Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hork added fuel to the fire - >Here's another way to start a fire at a gas station, >just posted over on the COG list. With the recent cold snap, >I shudder to think of all the folks who do this >(start the pump, hop inside the car/truck/suv, hop out when done) [Dave] Anybody ever seen a car - b - queue from this? I see people do this all the time & never seen one burst into flames... Never seen a cell phone yakker immolated either. Much as I would like to sometimes... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DCcO7009239; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:12:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DCcXK009229; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:12:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <67.3b212a4.2b20aabf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:12:31 EST Subject: Re: Another unfortunate incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/4/2002 7:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ljtanner@XXXXXX writes: > Squirt out onto the street and the next thing I know the rear tire is > sliding and the bike is going down on the left side. Ice - Motorcycle - Bad.... At least that is what I told em at work when they asked me why I drove my wifes car to work yesterday. (Did ride the night before, got off at 11pm. when I got home it was 24deg. Brrrrrrr. Glad you are OK. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DDcO7009275; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:13:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DDcMh009265; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:13:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212051313.PZF48142@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:14:57 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Woo hoo! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Confirmed sighting of a bicyclist on Rt 1 at Mt. Vernon Hwy this AM - a responsible one at least, obeying traffic signals, hi viz suit, flashing red light... barely sufficient in the snow though... He stayed up on 2 wheels pretty well... I rode up next to him in my Excessive, rolled the power window down & told him I thought he was doing an excellent job, what with all the green house gases and all... M@ther F@cker birded me... All because of a little road spray. Dave >On a completely serious note... you would actually think of riding in >this stuff? I can't see how you could stay on two wheels for very long >with all the thick slush that's piling up. > >- Roach > > >On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 07:15, Leon Begeman wrote: >> --- Brian Roach wrote: >> > Er, anyone even contemplating riding a bike this >> > morning is absolutely >> > nuts. >> > >> >> Well, I wouldn't go that far. But . . . I did take >> the car to work this morning. That won't happen >> again, it cost me $12 for parking. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DDuO7009600; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:13:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DDudh009596; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:13:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:13:54 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Ridin' in Snow Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, I think it might be entertaining/educational/amusing to futz about in the snow on the bike for a bit. I'm hoping there's still some stuff on the roads in my subdivision if/when I get home this evening so I can go try not to kill myself in it. Fish. riding on public highways is another issue entirely From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:18:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DIUO7010261; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:18:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DITmM010251; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:18:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEF5361.1DA870CA@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:23:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube References: <15b.18750603.2b20a16a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Lets not forget the 3000mi. oil change. It does not matter where you drive or > how, according to them its all "Heavy" use for some damn reason or the other. > Lord what a waste of resources! > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Yeah, and back in the good ol' days it was 2000 miles/oil change. Fine for Granny who drove the car 1.5 mi to church on Sunday and made a few 2 mile trips to the store/wk, but ludicrious for long trippers. While in college I changed oil/filter twice a year, and my yearly milage exceeded 25K. Sometimes I'd have close to 15K on the oil. Swapped the Mopar ragtop in with more'n 140K on it, still running fine. Great engine, horrible body rust. Milady swaps out her oil in the Turbo Lebaron every 3500, a short tripper car and a turbo. My trucks can go at least 7000 before oil change as per owners manual, but I still use the twice a year thang. The scoot gets new oil somewheres betwixt 2500 & 5K, depending on how grundgy it looks. Air cooled, so a few long hard runs in the summer usually cooks the oil. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:26:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DQFO7010624; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:26:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DQE51010616; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:26:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021205072543.00a6e950@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 07:42:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube In-Reply-To: <15b.18750603.2b20a16a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:32 AM 12/5/02 -0500, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 12/4/2002 1:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > I think they're all doing work that others don't want to or can't do. > >No. > >I think what they have done is skim the bread and butter (oil changes) from >the old neighborhood garages. You know, the old guys that actually knew how >to fix things. It put most of them out of business. Hmm, when you put it that way. I can't remember there not being a JL somewhere. I guess it's consistency. When you move a lot (42 times), you tend to appreciate the similarities. Then you start exploring. My wife and I are still trying to find some decent breakfast eating places in the area. When we travel we find all kinds of interesting places but here in the area it's quite light in that department. > > That they hire minimum wage slaves or push unnecessary work is part of > the > > problem. > >Lets not forget the 3000mi. oil change. It does not matter where you drive or >how, according to them its all "Heavy" use for some damn reason or the other. >Lord what a waste of resources! Heh, I throw those reminders away. When I was taking my last car in, I'd know it was time when I ran out of washer fluid. The car lasted for 10 years (and my daughter's boyfriend blew it up within 6 months after I gave it to her). >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DU7O7010976; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:30:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DU74d010968; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:30:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEF5624.645F7BE8@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:35:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gassing up References: <200212051256.PZF46051@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Anybody ever seen a car - b - queue from this? I see > people do this all the time & never seen one burst into > flames... Never seen a cell phone yakker immolated either. > Much as I would like to sometimes... > Dave Yates Me niether. Most common gas pump disastor is idiots removing the radiator cap on a hot car. Blister-skin city! My only gas flameout experiance was when I was 12 and working at my uncles marina. My job description included carting out trash and burning same in a 55 gallon topless oil drum. To ensure ignition I'd douse the trash with a cup of gas. All was well until the matchs I carried out wouldn't light, so I hike back to the marina store, fetch matchs, hike back to now gas-fumey 55 gal drum, strike match, toss in... *BAWHOOM!!!* I wound up flat on my back looking up at a sky filled with bits of burning paper and such. The sides of the drum actually bowed out a bit. Since then gasolene fumes get my respect. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DUiO7011004; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:30:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DUi41011000; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:30:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <43.1567fc19.2b20aefc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:30:36 EST Subject: Re: Woo hoo! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/5/2002 5:59:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > Er, anyone even contemplating riding a bike this morning is absolutely > nuts. Dirt bike, knobbies, studs, FUN! To contemplate. John, wifes car, 4wd, chains if I need em today. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:35:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DZtO7011673; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:35:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DZtGr011660; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:35:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a0.ce44751.2b20b030@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:35:44 EST Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/5/2002 6:55:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, aflowers@XXXXXX writes: > Hey, I have no problem with using SUVs in roles for which they were > built -- towing, off-roading, haulin' stuff, plowing through snow > drifts, etc. _Really steep dirt driveways_ in Western NC (Why we have our 93 Tracker) Or to take employees to the hospital, may have to call, they are asking for volunteers. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:39:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DdaO7012007; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:39:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DdZbZ011999; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:39:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212051339.PZF51180@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:40:55 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan Cc: DC-Cycles X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish whined: >Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them people -- choose to >pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their primary form of >transportation. Come The Revolution, these fsckin' idiots will be the >first ones up against the wall, but UNTIL THEN, let us find some useful >purpose for them. [Dave] They're called "Blockers". > >Rather than allowing them to aim their Ford Excessives down the center >(and only, in Maryland) lane of the Capitol Beltway at 20 mph at the first >sign of snow, let us instead mandate that they must all mount snowplow >attachments, and put themselves to work for the community. [Dave] No thanks. If they drive that stupidly, then chances are they will suck at whatever task you assign them in your new world order, there Fish... > >It might even increase the number of plows on the road. I mean, the way >things are, what would happen if Bubba ran out of gas, and Jeb blew a >tire? Both of the DC-area snowplows would be out of commission! [Dave] You make my point for me - if they're already sub par drivers, you propose making their vehicles bigger ? AND want them to multi task ? > >... > >Seriously, DC is not a safe place to drive in precipitate weather. I guess >I've been spoiled by Chicago, which has properly-crowned roads, plenty of >snowplows, drivers with a slightly-higher average level of clue, and more >salt than the deep blue sea. [Dave] We have a shload of plow vehicles, and I'd venture to say that except for DC (so many tight back streets), the area does a fine job plowing. > Here, you have none of those things, and it's >a warzone out there. I'm not kidding when I say the MD side of the Beltway >was down to one lane at parts... Suck. [Dave] You're forgetting something. Companies will invoke inclement weather policies for snow, keeping the timid off the roads. Unfortunately they won't for rain... It's much worse when it rains because there are MORE idiots on the roads... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5DfYO7012057; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:41:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5DfYJI012047; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:41:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <99.30c7e5bb.2b20b180@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:41:20 EST Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/5/2002 8:26:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Hmm, when you put it that way. I can't remember there not being a JL > somewhere. Child! John. distinctly not a child. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 08:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5Di1O7012695; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:44:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5Di1IS012685; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:44:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212051343.PZF51742@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:45:18 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Gassing up Cc: Dave Yates , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Dave Yates wrote: >Me niether. Most common gas pump disastor is idiots removing the >radiator cap on a hot car. Blister-skin city! > [Dave] Upon further reflection, I had an acquaintance who's '73 plymout Ruster 'backfired through the carb' and the engine compartment caught on fire... The sad par was, he saved it :-| Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 09:00:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5E0vO7013129; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:00:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5E0vGP013121; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:00:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021205084333.00a51040@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:44:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube In-Reply-To: <99.30c7e5bb.2b20b180@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:41 AM 12/5/02 -0500, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 12/5/2002 8:26:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, >cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > Hmm, when you put it that way. I can't remember there not being a JL > > somewhere. > >Child! 45 is hardly a child. My memory sucks though :-) >John. distinctly not a child. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 09:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5EPKO7013594; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:25:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5EPINP013579; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:25:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003301c29c6a$5d88ad60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brian Roach" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20021205121501.21283.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> <1039090713.10183.111.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: Woo hoo! Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:26:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I caged today too, since my sidecar rig didn't magically appear overnight. I toyed with riding, then I took a look at the main thoroughfares in DC--no visible pavement. That was enough for me to throw in the towel. First time I've driven to work in almost two years. :( Riding in the snow is OK, as long as you don't mind falling down and I prefer not to do that on the public highways. The old beater Jetta did just fine. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" > On a completely serious note... you would actually think of riding in > this stuff? I can't see how you could stay on two wheels for very long > with all the thick slush that's piling up. > > - Roach > > > On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 07:15, Leon Begeman wrote: > > --- Brian Roach wrote: > > > Er, anyone even contemplating riding a bike this > > > morning is absolutely > > > nuts. > > > > > > > Well, I wouldn't go that far. But . . . I did take > > the car to work this morning. That won't happen > > again, it cost me $12 for parking. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 09:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5EpYO7014026; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:51:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5EpX8E014016; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:51:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEF6939.B50BD9FA@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:56:57 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gassing up References: <200212051343.PZF51742@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > >Dave Yates wrote: > >Me niether. Most common gas pump disastor is idiots > removing the > >radiator cap on a hot car. Blister-skin city! > > > > [Dave] Upon further reflection, I had an acquaintance > who's '73 plymout Ruster 'backfired through the carb' and the > engine compartment caught on fire... The sad par was, he > saved it :-| > I had that happen on the ol' Blue Beast (`58 Mopar ragtop). Simple save, keep cranking the engine, sucks the flames in. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 09:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5EpcO7014055; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:51:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5Epc0p014048; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:51:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00dd01c29c6e$0ae1c8e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:52:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them people -- choose to > pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their primary form of > transportation. Come The Revolution, these fsckin' idiots will be the > first ones up against the wall, but UNTIL THEN, let us find some useful > purpose for them. > > Rather than allowing them to aim their Ford Excessives down the center > (and only, in Maryland) lane of the Capitol Beltway at 20 mph at the first > sign of snow.... Oh, my, what a broad brush we have. :) Anyway, on my trip to work today, everyone seemed pretty clueful, except for a Kamikaze Metro bus driver bombing along the Parkway. He must have been overdue for his break. There were a couple of Fish's 4WD poser people turtling along, steering wheel no doubt held in a white-knuckle deathgrip. My decrepit piece of VW tin did fine. Course, I grew up driving in the white stuff. I do want to yell out for the window, "for the love of God, stay off the brakes people." Brakes are good for one thing in the snow, slowing a vehicle from about 3 mph to a complete stop. Ob moto -- didn't see any bikes out today. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 09:58:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5EwtO7014721; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:58:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5EwsLS014708; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:58:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX'" X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: Another unfortunate incident Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:58:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1fe9212e0454fb07d2@[172.30.1.4]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gB5EwrO7014696 Linda, sorry to hear about the incident but I am glad you're (relatively) okay!!! Hope you are taking it easy and relaxing today! :) Laurie -----Original Message----- From: LindaT. This is what happened to me yesterday. Let's all be careful out there... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 10:13:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5FDZO7015127; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:13:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5FDZrb015119; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:13:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205100507.020827e8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:06:25 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Ridin' in Snow In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:13 AM 12/5/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >Actually, I think it might be entertaining/educational/amusing to futz >about in the snow on the bike for a bit. I'm hoping there's still some >stuff on the roads in my subdivision if/when I get home this evening so I >can go try not to kill myself in it. > >Fish. >riding on public highways is another issue entirely I used to have a Yamaha DT125 '79 - has semi knobbies on it, but was legal for road use (on/off). I used to have little toy plastic skis about 2 feet long I strapped to my feet to run around the neighborhood on while riding in a steady second gear. Fun. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 10:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5FL9O7015504; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:21:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5FL8ow015489; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:21:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'jmcgonigle@XXXXXX'" , "'Wayne Edelen'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: A Bold New Plan Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain My Jeep got me to Bethesda in one piece. I had fun driving behind a snow plow watching him bury cars as he passed by. I did see three accidents involving going too fast. I agree it is the driver not the vehicle, come on folks who ride should know this already. Is it spring yet I'm having bike withdrawals already this is going to be a long winter. -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:28 AM To: 'Wayne Edelen'; 'DC-Cycles' Subject: RE: A Bold New Plan My SUV and me got to work w/ no issues... It's the driver, not the vehicle... BTW, I'd like to thank the little oriental girl in her corolla that had a death grip on the wheel driving down the middle of Great Seneca Hwy at 5 mph for making my commute down that road a PIA! -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:12 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan > > > On 5 Dec 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > > > On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 06:28, Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Some humans -- I wouldn't go so far as to call them > people -- choose to > > > pilot lumbering four-wheel-drive monstrosities as their > primary form of > > > transportation. > > > > Er, well ... yeah. How else do I tow a 7x16 trailer with 4 > race bikes in > > it? :) > > No kidding. I use my truck to haul a race car/8.5x18 > trailer. And I'm > smart enough not to leave my house on days like today :-) > Sitting here > in my home office working, sipping my coffee, watching the news :-) > > > The nuts are out there though... saw a "Capt. Invincible" > damn near slam > > his SUV into the jersey barriers on 28 after passing me at > what I would > > say was easily 50mph (I was doing about 35 and having to > concentrate, 28 > > is a mess). > > My AWD car and my 4WD truck are sitting unused. People in > this area are > absolute idiots when it comes to inclement weather. I'd > rather stay home. > :-) According to the news there was an overturned tractor > trailer on 270 > at the spur and as they were reporting, a truck driving too > fast on 355 > lost control and caused an accident. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 10:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5Fp2O7015972; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:51:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5Fp1gM015961; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:51:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A Bold New Plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > I agree it is the driver not the vehicle, come on > folks who ride should know this already. What makes driving in the snow any different than any other day? The people going faster than you are always idiots, and the one's going slower are morons. My 20 mile commute was uneventful other than a few (intended) fun sideways adventures. Is it spring yet I'm having bike > withdrawals already this is going to be a long winter. I got the VFR out last nite and took a little 15 mile ride, glad I did, looks like no riding for a while. I'm going through withdrawal. Wonder if drinking heavily will help? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 11:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5G8wO7016423; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:08:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5G8uRF016408; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:08:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEF79AC.7040202@uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:07:08 -0500 From: Fish Flowers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > I'm going through withdrawal. Wonder if drinking heavily will help? Drinking heavily always helps. It cures all ills, sharpens the senses, hones the wit, attenuates the senses. Drinking heavily wards off dryness of the mouth and hyperthermia. Drinking cures boredom, wins friends, influences people, and is altogether to the public good. Oh, you mean drinking _alcohol_? Oh, no, that's bad. I thought you were talking about Kool-Aid. Fish. the longer my main mail account is down the sillier i get From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 11:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5GIQO7016812; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:18:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5GIP3d016802; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:18:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021205161823.12200.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:18:23 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: re: snow riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hmm, so I whip open my Aerostich flyer and there is the solution staring me in the face; my own Bruno Wessel Stud Insertion tool with a box of 1000 studs. Now why didn't i think of that? Easy payments of $530 in one payment... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 11:27:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5GRiO7017209; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:27:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5GRhpZ017199; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:27:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021205162741.69687.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:27:41 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Links for the Snowbound To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here are some links for you folks who are going out of your minds with boredom at home or are the only idiots to have shown up at work today. Anyone else want to share their favorites? Moto: http://www.motorcycledaily.com http://www.2wf.com http://www.motorcyclenews.com http://www.cycleforums.com http://www.motozine.com/forums/ http://pelit.dnainternet.net/pelihalli/trials/ http://pages.ebay.com/ebaymotors/browse/Motorcycles.html http://sepnet.com/cycle/index.htm Non-moto: http://caustic.org/~jan/pub/MadCow.swf (not worksafe) http://www.theonion.com http://www.wired.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 11:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5GUTO7017257; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:30:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5GUTPk017250; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:30:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:46:06 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: re: snow riding In-Reply-To: <20021205161823.12200.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, matthew patton wrote: > hmm, so I whip open my Aerostich flyer and there is the solution > staring me in the face; my own Bruno Wessel Stud Insertion tool with a > box of 1000 studs. Now why didn't i think of that? Easy payments of > $530 in one payment... C'mon, Matt... this could be you on a Busa -> http://www.algonet.se/~ice-r-r/galleryfrench/images/1300burn.jpg :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 11:34:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5GY1O7017614; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:34:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5GY1Ye017603; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:34:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:36:52 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan In-Reply-To: <3DEF79AC.7040202@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Oh, you mean drinking _alcohol_? Oh, no, that's bad. I thought you were > talking about Kool-Aid. > Well if I have live much longer without riding. I might be reaching for the Jim Jones flavor. Looks like some people are starting up some indoor pocket bike racing in the NoVA area. I think I might go check it out Sunday. I've got a winter project, I'm buying back the YZF-600R from the insurance company, only gotcha is that the title is "unrebuildable" salvage. According to the ins. co. anything with damages over 91% ACV has to be declared unrebuildable. I'm cool with it just being a track bike, but slapping some plates on it and liability only for a few runs wouldn't hurt. Other than getting a new frame (current one is fine), what can I do to wash the title? Register in another state then VA again? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 11:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5GZBO7017655; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:35:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5GZBE5017647; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:35:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY5Pq8WVsSnWB1u4u7WMWHi2V6akGBON1O1lTeRe5d0Ax8ggrDfM0tShT2RJT2WD0o= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Chris Weaver'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Links for the Snowbound(no moto, hit delete if that offends you) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:35:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c29c7c$468cb720$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20021205162741.69687.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal the link of links to combat boredom: www.fark.com --jon -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:28 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Links for the Snowbound Here are some links for you folks who are going out of your minds with boredom at home or are the only idiots to have shown up at work today. Anyone else want to share their favorites? Moto: http://www.motorcycledaily.com http://www.2wf.com http://www.motorcyclenews.com http://www.cycleforums.com http://www.motozine.com/forums/ http://pelit.dnainternet.net/pelihalli/trials/ http://pages.ebay.com/ebaymotors/browse/Motorcycles.html http://sepnet.com/cycle/index.htm Non-moto: http://caustic.org/~jan/pub/MadCow.swf (not worksafe) http://www.theonion.com http://www.wired.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 11:47:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5GlPO7018641; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:47:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5GlP0k018631; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:47:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Links for the Snowbound(no moto, hit delete if that offends you) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640925C@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Links for the Snowbound(no moto, hit delete if that offends you) Thread-Index: AcKcfRKXTBheWx28Ql+5f+l7+AH1xAAAFQcw From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gB5GlOO7018619 Moto: http://witold.org/photos/motorcycle/motorcycle_show.php3 - My pictures from the Birmingham motorcycle show http://pub114.ezboard.com/byamahar6messagenet R6 Message Net www.gixxer.com Gixxer forum Non-moto: www.drudgereport.com politics www.slashdot.org tech www.metafilter.com general discussion -Witold > From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] > www.fark.com > From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] > > Moto: > http://www.motorcycledaily.com > http://www.2wf.com > http://www.motorcyclenews.com > http://www.cycleforums.com > http://www.motozine.com/forums/ > http://pelit.dnainternet.net/pelihalli/trials/ > http://pages.ebay.com/ebaymotors/browse/Motorcycles.html > http://sepnet.com/cycle/index.htm > > Non-moto: > http://caustic.org/~jan/pub/MadCow.swf (not worksafe) > http://www.theonion.com > http://www.wired.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 11:58:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5Gw8O7019025; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:58:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5Gw7OD019015; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:58:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205115543.0205ce28@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:58:04 -0500 To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" From: Troutman Subject: Surfing at work In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640925C@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:47 AM 12/5/2002, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >Moto: >http://witold.org/photos/motorcycle/motorcycle_show.php3 - My pictures >from the Birmingham motorcycle show >http://pub114.ezboard.com/byamahar6messagenet R6 Message Net >www.gixxer.com Gixxer forum > >Non-moto: >www.drudgereport.com politics >www.slashdot.org tech >www.metafilter.com general discussion > >-Witold You guys have left out the all important soft porn category. http://www.douglass.co.uk/webpromote/celebs/oops_index.htm http://www.page3.com I am hanging out on Fark and bud.com today. Yesterday we lost a core router, and I spent the whole day stressed. Relaxing today. BTW - if you are in a cube with no window, I set up my Pencam with a view of the snow outside my window in Reston. http://www.troutman.org/workcam.shtml ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 12:23:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5HNiO7019515; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:23:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5HNfvo019500; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:23:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012201c29c83$00ea5040$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" , "Troutman" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205115543.0205ce28@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Surfing at work Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:23:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Okay, now that is funny. That is about as bad as John Belushi's old gag for shut ins. He takes a desk lamp and turns it on - Sunny He takes a desk lamp on and puts his hand in front of it - Partly cloudy Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: Surfing at work > At 11:47 AM 12/5/2002, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > >Moto: > >http://witold.org/photos/motorcycle/motorcycle_show.php3 - My pictures > >from the Birmingham motorcycle show > >http://pub114.ezboard.com/byamahar6messagenet R6 Message Net > >www.gixxer.com Gixxer forum > > > >Non-moto: > >www.drudgereport.com politics > >www.slashdot.org tech > >www.metafilter.com general discussion > > > >-Witold > > You guys have left out the all important soft porn category. > > http://www.douglass.co.uk/webpromote/celebs/oops_index.htm > http://www.page3.com > > I am hanging out on Fark and bud.com today. Yesterday we lost a core > router, and I spent the whole day stressed. Relaxing today. > > BTW - if you are in a cube with no window, I set up my Pencam with a view > of the snow outside my window in Reston. > > http://www.troutman.org/workcam.shtml > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 12:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5HVNO7019578; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:31:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5HVMua019572; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:31:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013301c29c84$1453af40$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205115543.0205ce28@mail.troutman.org> Subject: For all those at work Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:30:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Now that we have had a day of people talking about there commute to work, I will step up on my podium. I have been unemployed once again, this time from Cycles USA. They decided after promising me it wouldn't happen, layoff for no funds. I have background in Administrative and some (very limited) help desk. If anyone knows of anything please feel free to email, the funds are running out quickly. I applied for a job for four months in Ft. Lauderdale, FL (hardship), but it would be living in a tent at a renaissance festival (fun). Thank you for the fun links, I will use them while I am surfing for work today. On another topic, my accapella group is singing tomorrow night at Brookside Gardens http://www.mc-mncppc.org/parks/brookside/ Hopefully we will be okay, this is my first with this group. Also, I will add my links for some fun http://www.psychogoldfish.com/mini_putt/ Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 12:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5HdEO7020257; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:39:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5HdEwT020247; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:39:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021205173906.84521.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: A Bold New Plan To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan wrote: > I got the VFR out last nite and took a little 15 mile > ride, glad I did, > looks like no riding for a while. I'm going through > withdrawal. Wonder > if drinking heavily will help? yes. drinking heavily helps increase sleep time, which in turn helps spring to arrive quicker. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 13:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5I1OO7020698; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:01:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5I1Nb7020688; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:01:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021205180118.87851.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:01:18 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Links for the Snowbound To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021205162741.69687.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Here are some links for you folks who are going out > of > your minds with boredom at home or are the only > idiots > to have shown up at work today. Anyone else want to > share their favorites? For those of us a little more devout than most of this bunch of heathens, let's not forget http://www.landoverbaptist.org/. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 15:26:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5KQpO7021748; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:26:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5KQoLi021738; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:26:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000101c29ca4$4fe51ce0$6a62a7ac@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: Subject: Tool question Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:09:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX I spent the afternoon tearing apart a motor, under the excellent supervision of my friend Joe. We were working on the motor from a '69 BSA. The only real problem we had was removing the clutch assembly and springs. The springs are held in place by these strange screws; they are slotted like a standard screw, but with a little kind of nub in the middle of the slot. So a standard screwdriver will not fit. We worked it out by using two small screwdrivers, one on each side of the screw head, with the nub in between, but it was seriously slow going! I was wondering if anyone on the list knows if there is a proper tool for this task. What I think this tool will look like: a standard screwdriver with a large blade, and an indentation in the center of the blade. The indentation would be about a third the length of the blade and about a half-inch deep. We were thinking of buying a screwdriver and making a hole in the blade, but I was wondering if I could buy one somewhere. Is there such a thing? If so, does it have a name and where would I buy one? I managed to track down Whitworth sockets and wrenches so if it exists I will find it. Thanks! -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 15:45:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5KjDO7022169; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:45:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5KjCM9022159; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:45:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010401c29ca7$712002f0$6a62a7ac@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: References: <003601c29bad$ee08b230$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> <3DEE51AE.2D6DBA92@patriot.net> <00bf01c29bd2$97f74f80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:44:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX Jiffy Lube sucks: The whole routine about pulling you out of the waiting room to tell you your car wants some outrageously priced part reminds me of being sent to the principal's office in elementary school. This has got to be the biggest crock... you have two choices: either pay through the nose for whatever odd bit they want to sell you (and they always find something wrong, always!) or look like a cheapskate in front of your fellow customers by declining the part. My mother paid $36 for an air filter last year at a Jiffy Lube... un-freakin-believable! No matter what they are trying to sell you, you can find it for half the price at your nearest Pep Boys. Favorite Jiffy Lube horror story: A "technician" from Jiffy Lube was chatting me up about the selection of CD's in my truck; this happened about 5 or 6 years ago. He went so far as to get my number off of the work order, call me at home, and ask me out! To make matters worse, he could only offer me the kind of date where I would come over to his house and watch a movie with him. This was because he was under house arrest and his parole officer would not give him permission to go on a date. Needless to say I declined that particular adventure! Dealers suck: After four trips to DarCars Toyota, I finally got my catalytic converter replaced. It seems that it takes the entire staff together to order the proper part. The first visit was pulling the diagnostic codes and seeing what the problem was. This took four hours. Then twice going back to wait for two hours and be told, sorry, they'd ordered the wrong part. Which they tried to tell me again today... eventually figuring out that the mechanic who had been working on my truck earlier had taken the part when it came in and set it aside, so they wouldn't sell it to someone else. Nice idea but he didn't tell anyone, and I watched a nice rendition of the Keystone Kops while these guys tried to figure out just where had that part gone. My mechanic rules: Anyone looking for a good mechanic in Silver Spring should call Kevin at AmFor Automotive. I can dig up the number if anyone needs it. Totally honest mechanic and they do good work. Kevin even taught me how other mechanics rip people off, and how to read an invoice and find all the double billing. This lesson came after the one time I took my former truck to a different mechanic; the work was not done right and I went to have Kevin fix it. He did, and he helped me confront the first mechanic on the overbilling, which got me a fair amount refunded. Cheers, Patto From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 16:13:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5LDVO7022626; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:13:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5LDVkZ022616; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:13:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DEFC2BB.A081D7BE@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:18:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patti Rodgers CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tool question References: <000101c29ca4$4fe51ce0$6a62a7ac@ticostat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patti Rodgers wrote: > I spent the afternoon tearing apart a motor, under the excellent supervision > of my friend Joe. We were working on the motor from a '69 BSA. The only > real problem we had was removing the clutch assembly and springs. The > springs are held in place by these strange screws; they are slotted like a > standard screw, but with a little kind of nub in the middle of the slot. So > a standard screwdriver will not fit. We worked it out by using two small > screwdrivers, one on each side of the screw head, with the nub in between, > but it was seriously slow going! I was wondering if anyone on the list > knows if there is a proper tool for this task. > > What I think this tool will look like: a standard screwdriver with a large > blade, and an indentation in the center of the blade. The indentation would > be about a third the length of the blade and about a half-inch deep. We were > thinking of buying a screwdriver and making a hole in the blade, but I was > wondering if I could buy one somewhere. Sounds like a spanner wrench. I think the Brits call all wrenchs spanners, so that could be confusing, but a *spanner* is a forked deal, like a pair of spaced screwdriver-like tips or spaced pins. If I can find my Brit piecey-parts catalogue I'll look for one. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 18:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5Nq2O7023921; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:52:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5NprYk023904; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:51:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Another unfortunate incident Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:51:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1fe9212e0454fb07d2@[172.30.1.4]> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hi Laurie, If only... I work for folks who grew up in Duluth and who think nothing of driving in this stuff. And they picked me up, so I can't complain. I'm feeling better already, so I guess it really wasn't that bad. Thanks for the kind words. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Laurie Holland said: Linda, sorry to hear about the incident but I am glad you're (relatively) okay!!! Hope you are taking it easy and relaxing today! :) Laurie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 19:54:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB60s5O7026699; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:54:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB60s4t7026689; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:54:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SUV weenies Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:42:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 00:42:18.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[548918C0:01C29CC0] Went to work today, no big deal and I drove my 2WD 1986 beater pickup 4 speed manual, 4.9L straight 6...with absolutely no weight in the back... made it fine. Guess what all the SUV owners called in 'cuz the weather was too pissy. Why do they own flippin' SUV's? Are they gonna' catch hell tomorrow! _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 20:23:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB61NEO7027159; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:23:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB61NEIR027149; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:23:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021206012313.80468.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: RE: Another unfortunate incident To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "LindaT." Thanks to all for the kind thoughts. Today I'm feel sore and creaky (and old). Tomorrow will no doubt, be better. ======= Hi Linda, kinda late chiming in here, but I do hope you're feeling better and that the bike's repair bills are low! John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 21:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB620HO7027631; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:00:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB620GfU027621; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:00:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 6 Dec 2002 02:00:13 GMT Message-ID: <006d01c29ccb$36167210$20fea8c0@david> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: Subject: Re: SUV weenies Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:00:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Adam added: > Went to work today, no big deal and I drove my 2WD 1986 beater pickup 4 > speed manual, 4.9L straight 6...with absolutely no weight in the back... > made it fine. Guess what all the SUV owners called in 'cuz the weather was > too pissy. [Dave] I had a very good day. Despite breaking 3 machines today - a new record for me - it was definitely a gain. I *WAS* going to go to the NRA range today, but weather intervened. Heck, why spend the day at work??? So, I left the office early as scheduled... about noon. My ride in the '91 exploder 4x4 took me Seminary to Quaker to Duke to Telegraph, to N Kings to Rt 1 S. TOWMBO really digs starbucks coffee, so, in an effort to spread some more holiday cheer, I stopped at Beacon Hill mall to pick her up a cafe mocha. I came out, and the Exploder would not start. An older guy came out and offered a jump, I accepted - no dice. Sounds like the starter went Tango Uniform. I was going to call the wife, but really didn't want her driving in this. I couldn't believe my luck, no less than 5 cars wiped out in front of me on the way to the office this morning, but I kept good following distance, and had zero problems. Anyway, the guy offers to give me a ride, and I accept. Ken was his name, and as it turns out, he lived fairly close. He noticed my Vet plates, so we chatted about the Army, traffic, news reports... I asked what he did, he was retired 30 years in the Army, and it turns out that he was in Bethesda this AM, with ticker trouble. Pretty serious, from what he described. This on top of the scheduled hip replacement in Feb....He dropped a cup of coffee off for his wife, & took me home. I offered money, and he declined, almost insulted. He said "I know you would do it for me". He was right... I would've, yet he'd only known me perhaps 30 minutes. Later today, I tried to fire up both of the snow blowers - a gift from the mother in law (residing with us). That was an abject failure, one is now out in the street awaiting somebody to take it, the other will now adorn my 'hall of slain tools'... He didn't have a boat or a bike, but he did drive an SUV, and he was certainly no weenie. Fortunately, there's a shop right there in the mall, and they have the key to the truck now, along with a starter so hopefully, I'll get the exploder back to running condition.... Despite the loss of the two blowers, and the truck (temporarily), it was a pretty darn good day. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 5 23:43:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB64hKO7028668; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:43:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB64hIs1028658; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:43:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 23:42:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gassing up To: Dave Yates Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DF02AB7.860E3D5A@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200212051256.PZF46051@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Dave Yates wrote: > > [Dave] Anybody ever seen a car - b - queue from this? I see > people do this all the time & never seen one burst into > flames... Never seen a cell phone yakker immolated either. > Much as I would like to sometimes... > Dave Yates I've been noticing the new warning signs up at all the local pumps around here - no cell phone use. Not that any of the clueless cellyakkers even pays attention to that (standing by the pump, gabbing away, without a clue) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 06:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6BXAO7031630; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:33:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6BX8J1031620; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:33:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:33:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <003601c29bad$ee08b230$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> <00bf01c29bd2$97f74f80$bb82fea9@palladio1> <010401c29ca7$712002f0$6a62a7ac@ticostat.com> In-Reply-To: <010401c29ca7$712002f0$6a62a7ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120606330385.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 05 December 2002 16:44, Patti Rodgers wrote: > Jiffy Lube sucks: > > The whole routine about pulling you out of the waiting room to tell you > your car wants some outrageously priced part reminds me of being sent to > the principal's office in elementary school. This has got to be the > biggest crock... you have two choices: either pay through the nose for > whatever odd bit they want to sell you (and they always find something > wrong, always!) or look like a cheapskate in front of your fellow customers > by declining the part. My mother paid $36 for an air filter last year at a > Jiffy Lube... un-freakin-believable! No matter what they are trying to > sell you, you can find it for half the price at your nearest Pep Boys. > They have waiting rooms? Oh yea, that's that place with the chairs between my truck and the bathroom :-) I normally hang around watching the work and making sure they do what they're supposed to do. Even so, I think they either missed my washer fluid or they're blocked. It's no fun driving in and not being able to see well. > Favorite Jiffy Lube horror story: A "technician" from Jiffy Lube was > chatting me up about the selection of CD's in my truck; this happened about > 5 or 6 years ago. He went so far as to get my number off of the work > order, call me at home, and ask me out! To make matters worse, he could > only offer me the kind of date where I would come over to his house and > watch a movie with him. This was because he was under house arrest and his > parole officer would not give him permission to go on a date. Needless to > say I declined that particular adventure! > Hmm, I've never had that happen to me ;-) > > Dealers suck: > > After four trips to DarCars Toyota, I finally got my catalytic converter > replaced. It seems that it takes the entire staff together to order the > proper part. The first visit was pulling the diagnostic codes and seeing > what the problem was. This took four hours. Then twice going back to wait > for two hours and be told, sorry, they'd ordered the wrong part. Which > they tried to tell me again today... eventually figuring out that the > mechanic who had been working on my truck earlier had taken the part when > it came in and set it aside, so they wouldn't sell it to someone else. > Nice idea but he didn't tell anyone, and I watched a nice rendition of the > Keystone Kops while these guys tried to figure out just where had that part > gone. > Oh man. I took my 87 Z to Rosenthal over on Rt 7 for the service check, regular wash and teflon wax. When I got it back, one of the monkeys that wash the car had put a tape in my tape player. Well, the door on the player had a little bend in it that forced you to push the door in just a bit when you ejected a tape or it wouldn't come out. Of course they didn't know that and used a pair of pliers to get their tape out, ruining the tape player. The manager said they'd pay to fix it and told me to take it over to their electronics shop across Rt 7. They pulled it but when they called the main office to get approval to order a new one, they said no. Then they wanted to charge me $75 to put the tape player _back_in_the_car_. I complained to the manager and then to the higher managers. Their comments; "We're not responsible for damage that occurs to your car when in for service." I complained to the BBB and even tried the mediation service that George Mason offers. Rosenthal told them that they were tired of talking to all these people about this problem and that I should just get one representative. Of course, George Mason was my _only_ rep. I fully intend on going to them when it's time for my Jaguar and getting back to the closer, commenting that their service department sucks, recount my story and walking out and buying from someone else. (Yes I know, I shouldn't punish the sales guys for service and management problems; thanks.) > Cheers, > > Patto Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 08:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6DHQO7032745; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:17:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6DHPde032735; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:17:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <65.3b630d8.2b21fd5c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:17:16 EST Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/5/2002 11:09:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > Oh, you mean drinking _alcohol_? Oh, no, that's bad. I thought you were > talking about Kool-Aid. Guyana. (Testing, testing, this is an age test.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 08:37:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6DbsO7001004; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:37:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6DbsTt000994; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:37:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.1579b329.2b22022c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:37:48 EST Subject: Re: Tool question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:27:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > > I spent the afternoon tearing apart a motor, under the excellent > supervision > of my friend Joe. We were working on the motor from a '69 BSA. Cool! > The only > real problem we had was removing the clutch assembly and springs. Read this part, knew what the problem was. > I was wondering if anyone on the list > knows if there is a proper tool for this task. Yes. > one? I managed to track down Whitworth sockets and wrenches so if it exists > I will find it. Yes you would. I have one that I made years ago. what I did was take a large screwdriver hacksaw a slot down the middle, heat the blade with a torch and drive a chisel down into the slot until it opened up*, squared it up with a hammer a bit and voala! (*Bench vise!) (The owner of the shop I was working at walked by as I did this and said "Good lord, he is a blacksmith too!") Note: On reassembly you will need to "balance" those springs out (even out the distance they are screwed in (they do not screw all the way in like Japanese bikes.) Worse comes to worse I suppose I could loan you mine, _if_ you are willing to "deposit" your life on the return of a tool. I am truly anal about my tools. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 08:47:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6DleO7001733; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:47:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6DldlQ001722; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:47:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:47:37 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan In-Reply-To: <65.3b630d8.2b21fd5c@aol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > Oh, you mean drinking _alcohol_? Oh, no, that's bad. I thought you were > > talking about Kool-Aid. > > Guyana. OK, fine: Kool-Aid isn't a problem except when you lace it with a sedative-and-cyanide cocktail. Fish. makes ya think twice about those jello shots you did in college, dunnit? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6E4rO7002480; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:04:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6E4qU3002470; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:04:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003601c29d30$70723880$6501a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce N" To: "DC Cycles" References: <200212051256.PZF46051@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <3DF02AB7.860E3D5A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Gassing up Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:04:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/12/05/gas.pump.fires/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6EC4O7003176; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:12:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6EC4E1003163; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:12:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:11:57 EST Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/6/2002 8:47:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > makes ya think twice about those jello shots you did in college, dunnit? Graduated in 99, no one invited me to any of those partys #:-( > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:13:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6EDeO7003834; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:13:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6EDeXA003827; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:13:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8f.261d28bc.2b220a87@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:13:27 EST Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/6/2002 9:03:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > I remember > the mood landing Yea, drugs will do that to ya. Sorry, it was just too easy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6EFXO7004510; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:15:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6EFXX5004503; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:15:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF0B093.9B5D3CA4@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:13:39 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan References: <002001c29c59$c0e34f20$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim McGonigle wrote: > > My SUV and me got to work w/ no issues... It's the driver, not the > vehicle... BTW, I'd like to thank the little oriental girl in her > corolla that had a death grip on the wheel driving down the middle of > Great Seneca Hwy at 5 mph for making my commute down that road a PIA! > > -Jim I don't understand peoples inaility to drive in the snow. I grew up in great Falls and used to drive around those roads in the snow in my 76 chevette. I haven't been *truly stuck at home* but once; I'm in a town house now, and they plowed me in. My wife and I went out for a drive yesterday morning in our Saturn... it truly *is* the driver in this area. Mmmmm fresh powder! Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:21:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6ELEO7005212; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:21:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6ELDep005202; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:21:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021206142101.73098.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan To: Skip Smith Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <3DF0B093.9B5D3CA4@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I drove to work yesterday with no problems. I was passed by a few people in SUV's(I guess 25 in a snowstorm is too slow!!), I guess they thought they were just unstoppable and I was in the way. I grew up in Ohio, and I must say, most of the people in the Wash DC area cannot drive worth a damn, Rain/Snow/DRY!! Not that Ohio drivers are any better, but... Nick --- Skip Smith wrote: > > > Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > My SUV and me got to work w/ no issues... It's > the driver, not the > > vehicle... BTW, I'd like to thank the little > oriental girl in her > > corolla that had a death grip on the wheel driving > down the middle of > > Great Seneca Hwy at 5 mph for making my commute > down that road a PIA! > > > > -Jim > > > I don't understand peoples inaility to drive in the > snow. I grew up in > great Falls and used to drive around those roads in > the snow in my 76 > chevette. > > I haven't been *truly stuck at home* but once; I'm > in a town house now, > and they plowed me in. > > My wife and I went out for a drive yesterday morning > in our Saturn... > > it truly *is* the driver in this area. > > > Mmmmm fresh powder! > > > > Skip > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6EMRO7005888; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:22:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6EMRPP005879; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:22:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF0B240.1D625FB0@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:20:48 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Bold New Plan References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/6/2002 8:47:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, > fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > makes ya think twice about those jello shots you did in college, dunnit? > > Graduated in 99, no one invited me to any of those partys #:-( > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX heh... I've been making Grain Jello since about 84 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:24:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6EODO7006577; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:24:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6EOCD0006571; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:24:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212061424.JAA17196@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: paging Lori Wilson Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:24:09 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Please write back directly as I am digest challenged. Lisa Goddard --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:24:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6EOXO7006935; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:24:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6EOX4f006930; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:24:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:24:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <8f.261d28bc.2b220a87@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8f.261d28bc.2b220a87@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120609242889.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 December 2002 09:13, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 12/6/2002 9:03:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > I remember > > the mood landing > > Yea, drugs will do that to ya. > > Sorry, it was just too easy. It's that cold. It's god me all stuffed up. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6EUKO7007993; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:30:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6EUKoh007983; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:30:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:30:09 EST Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/6/2002 9:13:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > > I remember > > the mood landing FYI I rode (CB40K1?) the 200mi. over to the cape to watch the launch of the first moon orbit mission. I am truly sorry that none of you young folk will never see anything that magnificent fly. The shuttle is a squirt gun compared to a Saturn V. (I was there for the first shuttle launch and several others also.) "Man has been to the moon during _MY_ lifetime, but not in the lifetimes of you young folks out there!" A truly sad statement. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 09:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6EnbO7009179; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:49:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6Enb88009169; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:49:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005501c29d36$edbbd520$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles" References: <200212051256.PZF46051@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <3DF02AB7.860E3D5A@comcast.net> <003601c29d30$70723880$6501a8c0@XP1> Subject: Re: Gassing up Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:50:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The easy fix for this is to disable the locks on the handles that keep the gas flowing. As far as cell phones, I thought that had more to do with potential interference with the wireless data links between the pumps and the cashier's station. And yes, I did ride today. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce N" > http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/12/05/gas.pump.fires/index.html > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 10:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6F5vO7009983; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:05:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6F5uTl009973; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:05:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF0BE16.1A2DBCD6@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:11:18 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 12/6/2002 9:13:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > > "Man has been to the moon during _MY_ lifetime, but not in the lifetimes of > you young folks out there!" > A truly sad statement. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC Yep, and I was doing the night time baby pace with my newborn son while watching the moon walk. I tried to get the little bugger to focus on the TV but I doubt he remembers. When I was a wee pup my Dad was involved in the space-race, V-2s, the Vanguard disastors, Redstone, Titan, buncha missles. Of course I was terrorizing the `hood with homemade rockets. I think I was 13 when he took my drawings of a liquid fueled rocket engine with a centrifugal fuel atomizer to show Van Braun. Sez the Grand Kahuna of rockets, "Don't let this boy near a machine shop - this vill vork." I stuck with solid fuels, but after blowing a hole in my bedroom/lab cieling and burning up a few acres of meadow grass when a two-stage creation did a Vangaurd off the launch rail, I was shut down. I went back to souping up my outboard engine and attempting to convince my parents that ie really, really needed a motorcycle. It's I wonder they just didn't shoot me and save the continuing agravation :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 10:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6F9jO7010706; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:09:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6F9jol010698; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:09:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF0BEFF.C58BE471@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:15:11 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Gassing up References: <200212051256.PZF46051@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <3DF02AB7.860E3D5A@comcast.net> <003601c29d30$70723880$6501a8c0@XP1> <005501c29d36$edbbd520$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > The easy fix for this is to disable the locks on the handles that keep the > gas flowing. > > As far as cell phones, I thought that had more to do with potential > interference with the wireless data links between the pumps and the > cashier's station. Yep, interferance. Insert CC card, start to fuel up, call home on the cell and go into shock when your CC bill shows a $3486.00 charge! Hey, it could happen ... ??? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 10:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6FU6O7011511; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:30:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6FU5tk011501; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:30:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021206152922.16029.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:29:22 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Tool question To: Patti Rodgers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000101c29ca4$4fe51ce0$6a62a7ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm sure it's not the tool you're looking for, but an auto apholstery button remover would probably work. It looks pretty much like you described. You can find these at Trak-Auto type places. Chris Weaver --- Patti Rodgers wrote: > I spent the afternoon tearing apart a motor, under > the excellent supervision > of my friend Joe. We were working on the motor from > a '69 BSA. The only > real problem we had was removing the clutch assembly > and springs. The > springs are held in place by these strange screws; > they are slotted like a > standard screw, but with a little kind of nub in the > middle of the slot. So > a standard screwdriver will not fit. We worked it > out by using two small > screwdrivers, one on each side of the screw head, > with the nub in between, > but it was seriously slow going! I was wondering if > anyone on the list > knows if there is a proper tool for this task. > > What I think this tool will look like: a standard > screwdriver with a large > blade, and an indentation in the center of the > blade. The indentation would > be about a third the length of the blade and about a > half-inch deep. We were > thinking of buying a screwdriver and making a hole > in the blade, but I was > wondering if I could buy one somewhere. > > Is there such a thing? If so, does it have a name > and where would I buy > one? I managed to track down Whitworth sockets and > wrenches so if it exists > I will find it. > > Thanks! > > -patti > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 10:36:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6FadO7012256; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:36:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6Fad9l012248; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:36:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 07:36:36 -0800 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: let ski season begin! Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 198.241.217.3 > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the > snow will actually make > it this far east. Got a boatload of the stuff in the hills just west of me here in Denver... Michael J (on TDY) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 10:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6FahO7012288; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:36:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6FahZq012284; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:36:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 07:36:38 -0800 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: let ski season begin! Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 198.241.217.3 > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the > snow will actually make > it this far east. Got a boatload of the stuff in the hills just west of me here in Denver... Michael J (on TDY) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 10:58:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6FwCO7013825; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:58:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6FwBqc013815; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:58:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: let ski season begin! Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:58:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212061058058F.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 December 2002 10:36, mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > > or something like that I guess. I wonder if the > > snow will actually make > > it this far east. > > Got a boatload of the stuff in the hills just west of me here in Denver... > Don't tell my wife that. She's already beating on me for not moving back out to Denver this past summer ;-) > Michael J (on TDY) Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 11:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6GHJO7014430; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:17:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6GHIQj014420; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:17:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 11:17:02 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C050AC1.1B826417.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes it is truly sad that we've never made it back. However, I'm hoping for a man or woman on Mars in my lifetime. :-) Scooter In a message dated 12/6/2002 9:30:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > "Man has been to the moon during _MY_ lifetime, but not in > the lifetimes of > you young folks out there!" > A truly sad statement. > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 11:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6GnTO7015309; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:49:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6GnSlf015299; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:49:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019b01c29d47$accab5c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , , References: <4C050AC1.1B826417.0C9D3659@aol.com> Subject: Moon shots, was Re: Jiffy Lube Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:50:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hey, my folks saved up enough S&H Green Stamps or whatever and went out and bought a TV specifically to watch one of the subsequent moon landings and the '72 Olympics. So, I did watch one of the moon landings--just not the first one--and I was six or seven at the time, old enough to remember it and the grainy images on the black and white set. And, on a down note, I also remember the killings of the Israeli athletes at the '72 Munich games, news coverage of the fighting in Vietnam, the Arab oil embargo, and Nixon's resignation speech. Ob moto -- some day I'd like to hop on the scoot and blast down to Florida to watch a shuttle launch. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > Yes it is truly sad that we've never made it back. However, I'm hoping for a man or woman on Mars in my lifetime. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 12/6/2002 9:30:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > > "Man has been to the moon during _MY_ lifetime, but not in > > the lifetimes of > > you young folks out there!" > > A truly sad statement. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 11:58:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6GwKO7015735; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:58:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6GwKhZ015720; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:58:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212061657.PZH89095@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:59:01 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Moon shots, was Re: Jiffy Lube To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul confessed: >Ob moto -- some day I'd like to hop on the scoot and blast down to Florida >to watch a shuttle launch. [Dave] A bro - in - law works at the Cape on the Atlas rockets & got TOWMBO & I passes to watch one a few years back. You can't really get that close. It *does* move out sharply... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 12:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6HHwO7016967; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:17:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6HHvUo016957; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:17:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212061717.PZH90807@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:18:57 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Moon shots... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to clarify, we watched the shuttle launch, not an Atlas... >[Dave] A bro - in - law works at the Cape on the Atlas >rockets & got TOWMBO & I passes to watch one a few years >back. You can't really get that close. It *does* move out >sharply... >Dave Yates > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 12:43:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB6Hh5O7017849; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:43:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB6Hgi68017831; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:42:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF0E046.C199D7B@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:37:10 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Riding in the snow... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roachmeister sed': >On a completely serious note... you would actually think of riding in >this stuff? I can't see how you could stay on two wheels for very long >with all the thick slush that's piling up. I sez: Ride carefully...use the Force. :) Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 22:08:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB738JO7024992; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:08:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB738IC6024982; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:08:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:07:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Tool question To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DF165D5.B61E050F@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <48.1579b329.2b22022c@aol.com> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Worse comes to worse I suppose I could loan you mine, _if_ you are willing > to "deposit" your life on the return of a tool. I am truly anal about my > tools. Speaking of which, anyone know of anyplace that sells socket organizer cases? I've got a bunch of sockets and socket wrenches that are still good, but the vinyl case they came in bit the dust long ago, and I've got no means of keeping them arranged in any kind of order. I've seen the little "sticks" you can attach sockets to, I'm not impressed. I'm looking for an empty case that already has spots formed for sockets of varying sizes. I suppose I could settle on one of those tool drawer organizers, but I would like an enclosed case if I could find one. Thanks, Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 22:19:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB73JIO7025774; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:19:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB73JIBo025764; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:19:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:18:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gassing up To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles Message-id: <3DF1686F.5676A026@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200212051256.PZF46051@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <3DF02AB7.860E3D5A@XXXXXX> <003601c29d30$70723880$6501a8c0@XP1> <005501c29d36$edbbd520$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3DF0BEFF.C58BE471@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Insert CC card, start to fuel up... > and go into shock when your CC bill shows > a $3486.00 charge! Hey, it could happen ... ??? Especially if you are driving an SUV. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 22:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB73OwO7026541; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:24:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB73OvbO026530; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:24:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:23:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube To: "William J. Huson" Cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DF169B1.5C6562B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3DF0BE16.1A2DBCD6@patriot.net> "William J. Huson" wrote: > Yep, and I was doing the night time baby pace with my newborn son while watching > the moon walk. I tried to get the little bugger to focus on the TV but I doubt > he remembers. My parents propped me up on pillows in front of the TV during the first moon landing. I was 6 months old and evidently enjoyed the show. Of course I don't remember a thing about it, but I can still say "I saw them first walk on the moon". :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 22:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB73QEO7027297; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:26:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB73QEBV027288; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:26:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:41:42 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Tool question In-Reply-To: <3DF165D5.B61E050F@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > Speaking of which, anyone know of anyplace that sells socket organizer > cases? I've got a bunch of sockets and socket wrenches that are still > good, but the vinyl case they came in bit the dust long ago, and I've > got > no means of keeping them arranged in any kind of order. I've seen the > little "sticks" you can attach sockets to, I'm not impressed. I'm I use the little 'sticks' from Sears. They're heavy duty plastic and have held up to several years of use and abuse. I clean them off using Brakekleen, too :-) http://www.sour-milk.org/tool01.jpg http://www.sour-milk.org/tool02.jpg I use them for 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 drives. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 22:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB73a4O7028446; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:36:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB73a3ep028436; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:36:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF16DE3.2B8B7389@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:41:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tool question References: <48.1579b329.2b22022c@aol.com> <3DF165D5.B61E050F@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Worse comes to worse I suppose I could loan you mine, _if_ you are willing > > to "deposit" your life on the return of a tool. I am truly anal about my > > tools. > > Speaking of which, anyone know of anyplace that sells socket organizer > cases? I've got a bunch of sockets and socket wrenches that are still > good, but the vinyl case they came in bit the dust long ago, and I've > got > no means of keeping them arranged in any kind of order. I've seen the > little "sticks" you can attach sockets to, I'm not impressed. I'm > looking > for an empty case that already has spots formed for sockets of varying > sizes. I suppose I could settle on one of those tool drawer organizers, > but I would like an enclosed case if I could find one. > Methinks I've seen tray types at Sears, but they were for drawer organization and may not be durable enough for bike packing. Sticks work if you put them in a roll-up tool sack, and you could even sew a roll-up to suit if you have a sewing machine! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 6 23:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB74pHO7030950; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:51:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB74pEr8030945; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:51:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Moon Shots Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:51:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2002 04:51:06.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[40F5EDF0:01C29DAC] My dad and I saw an Apollo launch... that sucker broke windows and was REALLY impressive... I saw a shuttle launch a few years ago, cool but no where near as impressive as the Apollo, I wonder if it was my impressionable youth or if the Apollo was really that much more spectacular. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 7 16:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB7L5mO7003925; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:05:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB7L5kSJ003915; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:05:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:05:43 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: K&N Filter Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm in the process of putting my new K&N air filter in the bike... does anyone know if these need to be oiled before first use? And they say to put in the "air flow restrictor" -- which just seems to slip inside the filter, but probably doesn't actually block any air. What's that all about? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 7 16:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB7LuMO7005308; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:56:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB7LuLYp005298; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:56:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF26FC4.D29B29A8@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:01:40 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: K&N Filter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > I'm in the process of putting my new K&N air filter in the bike... does > anyone know if these need to be oiled before first use? Mine came oiled, ready to use. It also came with instructions which revealed that K&N filters can be cleaned and re-oiled. > And they say to put in the "air flow restrictor" -- which just seems to > slip inside the filter, but probably doesn't actually block any > air. What's that all about? It probably does restrict the air flow. K&N filters are less restrictive than OEM stock, an advantage if you choose to repipe the exhaust and rejet the carbs (or remap the FI system). I'm guessing the "air flow restrictor" is exactly that, a restrictor to be used for OEM setups. I'm also guessing 90% of the bikers leave them out. Depends how nervous you are about toasting pistons :-) Bill not nervous --opened up air flows and *relieved* exhaust systems on several Jap bikes without frying the mill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 7 17:11:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB7MBnO7006503; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:11:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB7MBm1O006493; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:11:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:11:45 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Crash bar bolts Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Feh. I'm trying to mount some new (Suzuki-made) crash bars to my GS500E... but the bolts don't seem long enough. Or, at least, one of them doesn't -- the instructions seem flat-out incorrect as to which bolt should go through the top mount and the bottom mount, but no matter which way I mount them it seems the shorter bolt just isn't long enough to hold anything in. Also, the right bar's lower mount seems too large to tuck in between the engine and the frame. The left bar's mount seems just fine. Odd. Fish. rrr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 8 09:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB8EmrO7026927; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:48:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB8Emnuk026920; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:48:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:49:51 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: (SPAM) Dirt bike for sale... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gB8EmmO7026903 Is anyone interested in a practically new dirt bike? Would make a nice holiday present.... Please see link below http://www.sportbikes.ws/showthread.php?s=&postid=123588#post123588 Cheers, George Cole From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 8 10:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB8FJTO7027858; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:19:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB8FJTp4027848; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:19:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <191.11844482.2b24bcf3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:19:15 EST Subject: Re: Jiffy Lube To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/6/2002 10:06:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > I think I was 13 when he took my > drawings of a liquid fueled rocket engine with a centrifugal fuel atomizer > to > show Van Braun. Sez the Grand Kahuna of rockets, "Don't let this boy near a > machine shop - this vill vork." Now _that_ is the very definition of cool! I am truly green with envy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 8 10:27:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB8FRYO7029040; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:27:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB8FRXwk029025; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:27:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:27:27 EST Subject: Mars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:17:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: > However, I'm hoping for a man or woman on Mars in my lifetime. :-) Hell, when I was a kid everyone just _assumed_ people would be living there by now. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 8 10:40:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB8FecO7030247; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:40:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB8FecDE030237; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:40:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:40:32 EST Subject: Re: Moon Shots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:51:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > I wonder if it was my impressionable > youth or if the Apollo was really that much more spectacular. Seen em both, and was old enough to remember. To compare the Shuttle to an Apollo is like comparing a squirt gun to a cannon. Size does matter. Had to be there to really get it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 9 07:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB9CvpO7007492; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:57:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB9CvnMG007483; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:57:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005b01c29f82$802023b0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: References: <0212061058058F.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: OT: Christmas elves Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:57:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 For all those who haven't seen them, but for those who have, here they are again. Those loveable christmas elves in bowling. The link to elf bowling found below, hope you enjoy. http://www.bowlersparadise.com/elfbowling/#2 This year not one but two games of elf bowling. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 9 23:34:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBA4YNO7016911; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:34:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBA4YL0I016903; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:34:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:34:17 -0500 Subject: Oil change intervals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From: Dave Cross In-Reply-To: <15b.18750603.2b20a16a@aol.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) > Lets not forget the 3000mi. oil change. It does not matter where you > drive or > how, according to them its all "Heavy" use for some damn reason or the > other. > Lord what a waste of resources! > FWIW, a while back Consumer Reports did a study on oil change intervals. They used New York City taxi cabs as their subjects (pretty severe driving conditions). They concluded that 7500 miles between oil changes was as soon as oil needed to be changed. They found no wear differences in the engines after tearing them apart between the taxis that received 3000 mile oil changes and 7500 mile oil changes. dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 07:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBACdWO7019935; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:39:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBACdTDR019923; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:39:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: *chirp* *chirp* Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:39:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212100739198S.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Shhh, be vewy vewy quiet. I'm hunting wabbits. My bike's still in the shop which is a pain especially since someone went by me this morning on his ride. :-( I've started on my winter project. Building a bike. Yea, yea. I didn't want to actually say it because now I'm committed (or should be). The biggest issue is the frame. Once you have a good foundation the rest should follow right along. I've been haunting the hondachopper message boards and I believe I've found a decent frame. I've also been wandering e-bay, the for sale message boards and the local bike junkyards and have found the engine. $400 for a complete, if non-working 75 CB750F engine and bike. Well, the engine seems in good shape. No cracks or leaks. It's a bit high on the milage part but the closest engine I've found (without actually opening barn doors) is in Michigan. $100 for the engine but $300 for shipping. And this gives me a bunch of potentially usable parts. I have a couple of sources for additional parts as necessary so it's just a matter of taking the plunge and gathering the parts. I've sent an inquiry to the frame guys and will likely pick up the bike this week; perhaps even today. -- There, that should stir up _some_ discussion. Later and watch for the dark spots. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 08:23:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBADNSO7020602; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:23:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBADNSCF020594; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:23:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF5EC14.DDE50D2B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:28:52 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* References: <0212100739198S.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should be doing the same thing. On the list, a conversion project to install a `98 Road Glide fairing on my `93 FLHS, and of course there's the dust covered `66 Norton waiting for me to crank wrenchs. But ... it's freaking cold! Under threat of a slow painful death, I dare not bring bike projects into the house, so I'm offline until it warms up. Next major home improvement, heat for the garage. Bill Carl Schelin wrote: > Shhh, be vewy vewy quiet. I'm hunting wabbits. > > My bike's still in the shop which is a pain especially since someone went by > me this morning on his ride. :-( > > I've started on my winter project. Building a bike. Yea, yea. I didn't want > to actually say it because now I'm committed (or should be). > > The biggest issue is the frame. Once you have a good foundation the rest > should follow right along. I've been haunting the hondachopper message boards > and I believe I've found a decent frame. > > I've also been wandering e-bay, the for sale message boards and the local > bike junkyards and have found the engine. $400 for a complete, if non-working > 75 CB750F engine and bike. Well, the engine seems in good shape. No cracks or > leaks. It's a bit high on the milage part but the closest engine I've found > (without actually opening barn doors) is in Michigan. $100 for the engine but > $300 for shipping. > > And this gives me a bunch of potentially usable parts. > > I have a couple of sources for additional parts as necessary so it's just a > matter of taking the plunge and gathering the parts. I've sent an inquiry to > the frame guys and will likely pick up the bike this week; perhaps even today. > > -- > > There, that should stir up _some_ discussion. > > Later and watch for the dark spots. > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 08:33:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBADX3O7021055; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:33:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBADX3UV021042; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:33:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* From: Brian Roach To: Carl Schelin Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0212100739198S.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <0212100739198S.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 10 Dec 2002 08:32:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1039527176.10183.134.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 07:39, Carl Schelin wrote: > I've also been wandering e-bay, the for sale message boards and the local > bike junkyards and have found the engine. $400 for a complete, if non-working > 75 CB750F engine and bike. Well, the engine seems in good shape. No cracks or > leaks. It's a bit high on the milage part but the closest engine I've found > (without actually opening barn doors) is in Michigan. $100 for the engine but > $300 for shipping. See if the person will strap the motor to a palette (or put it in a crate) and take it to the airport for you (Toledo or Detroit). Forward Air is very reasonable - I just had a bike shipped from Salt Lake City to Dulles for $300. Motors are usually < $100. http://www.forwardair.com - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 09:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAESRO7021719; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:28:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAESQ1S021709; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:28:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:28:22 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0212100739198S.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <1039527176.10183.134.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> In-Reply-To: <1039527176.10183.134.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212100928228U.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 10 December 2002 08:32, Brian Roach wrote: > On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 07:39, Carl Schelin wrote: > > I've also been wandering e-bay, the for sale message boards and the local > > bike junkyards and have found the engine. $400 for a complete, if > > non-working 75 CB750F engine and bike. Well, the engine seems in good > > shape. No cracks or leaks. It's a bit high on the milage part but the > > closest engine I've found (without actually opening barn doors) is in > > Michigan. $100 for the engine but $300 for shipping. > > See if the person will strap the motor to a palette (or put it in a > crate) and take it to the airport for you (Toledo or Detroit). Forward > Air is very reasonable - I just had a bike shipped from Salt Lake City > to Dulles for $300. Motors are usually < $100. http://www.forwardair.com > That was who I was pointed to. But $400 for a complete (a moving crate was dropped on it; bent handlebars, forks and a dent in the tank along with the neglect of being in storage for a couple of years) bike seems like a good deal, compared with a known working engine for around $100 and $300 shipping. Plus taking apart the bike gives me valuable wrenching knowledge beyond the normal everyday change this and that stuff people do. > - Roach Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 15:31:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAKVXO7024509; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:31:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAKVV7E024499; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:31:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021210203126.99989.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:31:26 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Motorcycle show on the History Channel To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <010501c29a06$7328cc10$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sunday there was a 2 hour show on the history channel about motorcyling in the US. I only caught the last hour, but it was great. It even had Leno talking about bikes. I'd like to watch the whole thing, but it costs $30 to order, and I don't want it that bad. Does anyone know if they repeat shows on THC? I don't see it listed as playing again this week. jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 15:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAKWVO7024546; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:32:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAKWVr1024533; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:32:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021210203206.84162.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:32:06 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: riding in the great white north (again) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii maybe it's too early in the season but in my criss-crossing between DC and Kenosha WI I saw absolutely no reason not to ride a bike during the winter. The 'worst' roads were between Cleveland, OH and Pittsburgh, PA where there was the very occassional unplowed road or more commonly roads with snow-melt that had frozen to become ice. Indiana, northern IL and southern WI had roads drier than dry and clean of all slippery stuff unless it was some 2-bit residential side-street somewhere. Does this condition change as the winter worsens to the point that even days after the last snowfall and the snow-plows have attempted their best the roads are still litterally under snow-pack? Maybe MI gets massive amounts of snow unlike it's more western bretheren because I've read much moaning in the press about needing snow tires. Granted if you live way out there where snow-plows only come out to clear the mountain pass if at all, the situation could be different. The UP and farther north in WI the roads are likely not as clean. Bill recommended that I look at snowmobiles. With the darth of snow except in a farmer's field I don't see the point though. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 15:40:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAKeWO7024996; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:40:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAKeVdd024986; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:40:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: cschelin@XXXXXX@dc-cycles.org CC: From: "Patti Rodgers" Subject: RE: *chirp* *chirp* Message-Id: <101202344.45624@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: 10 Dec 2002 12:40:24 -0800 >>but the closest engine I've found >>(without actually opening barn doors) is in Michigan. >>$100 for the engine but >>$300 for shipping. Ask the seller if he/she has other bits to get rid of. I bought an eBay motor from a nice guy in Ohio. He actually had two more motors plus a frame, tank, fenders, tires, etc and a million boxes of bits. Basically his whole project bike and then some (all of this is BSA stuff). I drove up and fetched them (note: it is not advisable to put three motors in the very back of a mini van unless you want to drive very slow all the way home!). It did take a whole day to go there and back, but it was worth my while. I spent $30 on the rental of the minivan and about another $50 or so on gas; nowhere near what it would have cost to ship all that stuff, and I don't have to look for parts. Michigan is a longer haul than Ohio but you might get enough stuff to make it worth it. We're putting together the project bike starting in January or so; it'll be a complete from-scratch rebuild of a '71 BSA Lightening, so anyone who wants to learn stuff please let me know. I am in the learning stage too but have someone who knows what he is doing to guide me. Additional hands are always welcome and it's actually quite fun! Cheers! -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 15:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAKlEO7025822; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:47:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAKlB17025807; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:47:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021210204703.90333.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:47:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: riding in the great white north (again) To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021210203206.84162.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii uh, matt.... it ain't winter yet. try this again in february and give us an update. --- matthew patton wrote: > maybe it's too early in the season but in my > criss-crossing between DC > and Kenosha WI I saw absolutely no reason not to ride a > bike during the > winter. The 'worst' roads were between Cleveland, OH and > Pittsburgh, PA > where there was the very occassional unplowed road or > more commonly > roads with snow-melt that had frozen to become ice. > Indiana, northern > IL and southern WI had roads drier than dry and clean of > all slippery > stuff unless it was some 2-bit residential side-street > somewhere. Does > this condition change as the winter worsens to the point > that even days > after the last snowfall and the snow-plows have attempted > their best > the roads are still litterally under snow-pack? Maybe MI > gets massive > amounts of snow unlike it's more western bretheren > because I've read > much moaning in the press about needing snow tires. > > Granted if you live way out there where snow-plows only > come out to > clear the mountain pass if at all, the situation could be > different. > The UP and farther north in WI the roads are likely not > as clean. Bill > recommended that I look at snowmobiles. With the darth of > snow except > in a farmer's field I don't see the point though. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 15:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAKqhO7026265; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:52:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAKqh1E026253; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:52:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008f01c2a08e$55a6f340$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021210203206.84162.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: riding in the great white north (again) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:54:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Indeed. Certain parts of the West don't use salt, like Wyoming. Either you drive on the packed snow or you stay home. As for the Chicago area, most of the "lake effect" snow dumps east of Lake Michigan, due to the prevailing winds. Everyone complains about Chicago winters, but when I lived there the snow was not all that much more than what we get in Ohio. It is marginally colder than DC, so what snow you get tends to stick around longer. On the other hand, the drivers are generally more clueful about driving in the stuff. And Jane Byrne lost the mayoralty for bungling snow removal. It is taken seriously out there. I don't think Chi-town ever got more than 18" of snow in one sitting when I lived there. Watch out for that black ice from meltwater refreezing. A lot of that on the road around here, BTW. Including an on-ramp to 395 in DC this morning. The local DOTs here don't seem to be adequately clued in to the re-freezing phenomenon. There was a pileup at the Mixing Bowl last Friday because VDOT stopped treating the roads. Hold on to your hats, freezing rain on the way. Gotta stop and pick up as much bread as will fit on the bike on the way home. LOL. Matt, I think you really need studded tires or a sidecar. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: riding in the great white north (again) > maybe it's too early in the season but in my criss-crossing between DC > and Kenosha WI I saw absolutely no reason not to ride a bike during the > winter. The 'worst' roads were between Cleveland, OH and Pittsburgh, PA > where there was the very occassional unplowed road or more commonly > roads with snow-melt that had frozen to become ice. Indiana, northern > IL and southern WI had roads drier than dry and clean of all slippery > stuff unless it was some 2-bit residential side-street somewhere. Does > this condition change as the winter worsens to the point that even days > after the last snowfall and the snow-plows have attempted their best > the roads are still litterally under snow-pack? Maybe MI gets massive > amounts of snow unlike it's more western bretheren because I've read > much moaning in the press about needing snow tires. > > Granted if you live way out there where snow-plows only come out to > clear the mountain pass if at all, the situation could be different. > The UP and farther north in WI the roads are likely not as clean. Bill > recommended that I look at snowmobiles. With the darth of snow except > in a farmer's field I don't see the point though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 15:53:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAKreO7026296; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:53:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAKreA3026289; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:53:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021210155114.0208c5f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:53:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Motorcycle show on the History Channel In-Reply-To: <20021210203126.99989.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <010501c29a06$7328cc10$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:31 PM 12/10/2002, Isaac Blanck wrote: >Sunday there was a 2 hour show on the history channel >about motorcyling in the US. I only caught the last >hour, but it was great. It even had Leno talking >about bikes. I'd like to watch the whole thing, but >it costs $30 to order, and I don't want it that bad. >Does anyone know if they repeat shows on THC? I don't >see it listed as playing again this week. jib I'll set TiVo up to look for it. Probably runs in the middle of the morning or something. I am continually disappointed with those shows in general. 90% Harley discussion. I caught a good show the other day on our favorite bikes in history. Talked a lot about the Gold Wing, YZ250, Triumph Bonneville (original) and others. Too bad the only MC racing I can catch now seems to be flat track dirt and motoX. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 16:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAL3DO7026777; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:03:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAL3CVT026769; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:03:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: riding in the great white north (again) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:03:02 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409261@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: riding in the great white north (again) Thread-Index: AcKgi2rNkM4Eg9QZSHuAzH+MtOX73gAAtyxA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gBAL3BO7026752 The management at the apartment complex where I live (Merrifield Village) thinks that sand is all that's needed to alleviate the snow situation. As a result, all of the neighborhood parking lots still have oodles of snow. Now that some of the snow started to melt, the parking lots are almost pure ice, from left side of the road, to the right side of the road... Today looked like a pretty good day to ride, but my bike is stuck right in the middle this neighborhood! Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 3:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: riding in the great white north (again) > > > maybe it's too early in the season but in my criss-crossing between DC > and Kenosha WI I saw absolutely no reason not to ride a bike > during the > winter. The 'worst' roads were between Cleveland, OH and > Pittsburgh, PA > where there was the very occassional unplowed road or more commonly > roads with snow-melt that had frozen to become ice. Indiana, northern > IL and southern WI had roads drier than dry and clean of all slippery > stuff unless it was some 2-bit residential side-street somewhere. Does > this condition change as the winter worsens to the point that > even days > after the last snowfall and the snow-plows have attempted their best > the roads are still litterally under snow-pack? Maybe MI gets massive > amounts of snow unlike it's more western bretheren because I've read > much moaning in the press about needing snow tires. > > Granted if you live way out there where snow-plows only come out to > clear the mountain pass if at all, the situation could be different. > The UP and farther north in WI the roads are likely not as clean. Bill > recommended that I look at snowmobiles. With the darth of snow except > in a farmer's field I don't see the point though. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 16:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBALUCO7027728; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:30:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBALUCJg027718; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:30:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d001c2a093$934b0880$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409261@rnc1.rnchq.org> Subject: Re: riding in the great white north (again) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:24:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Now that some of the snow started to melt, the parking lots are almost pure ice, from left side of the road, to the right side of the road... > > Today looked like a pretty good day to ride, but my bike is stuck right in the middle this neighborhood! > > Witold Ice, schmice. As we say in the MSF for just about any situation, "stay loose on the bars, keep a steady throttle and ride through." :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 17:25:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAMPiO7028702; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:25:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAMPhCO028692; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:25:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:25:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <101202344.45624@webbox.com> In-Reply-To: <101202344.45624@webbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02121017253999.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 10 December 2002 15:40, Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>but the closest engine I've found > >>(without actually opening barn doors) is in Michigan. >>$100 > > for the engine but > > >>$300 for shipping. > > Ask the seller if he/she has other bits to get rid of. I bought > an eBay motor from a nice guy in Ohio. He actually had two more > motors plus a frame, tank, fenders, tires, etc and a million > boxes of bits. Basically his whole project bike and then some > (all of this is BSA stuff). > I drove up and fetched them (note: > it is not advisable to put three motors in the very back of a > mini van unless you want to drive very slow all the way home!). > It did take a whole day to go there and back, but it was worth > my while. I spent $30 on the rental of the minivan and about > another $50 or so on gas; nowhere near what it would have cost > to ship all that stuff, and I don't have to look for parts. > Michigan is a longer haul than Ohio but you might get enough > stuff to make it worth it. > > We're putting together the project bike starting in January or > so; it'll be a complete from-scratch rebuild of a '71 BSA Lightening, > so anyone who wants to learn stuff please let me know. I am > in the learning stage too but have someone who knows what he > is doing to guide me. Additional hands are always welcome and > it's actually quite fun! > > Cheers! > > -patti -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 17:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAMQSO7028732; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:26:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBAMQSUm028726; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:26:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021210222625.34471.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:26:25 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: X-tech vs Z-II? and other helmet deals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii with the free shipping deal from MAW (yeah, yeah) on Thurs I looked in on what they have on clearance and saw a few interesting items. My question is which is preferable? An Shoei X-tech vs a Z-II for about the same money? Wasn't the X-tech the top of the line a year ago and roughly comparable to the SP-II? The RF900 medium in candy red for $149.95 seemed like a good deal. Helmetshop.com has the HJC CL-12 series for $110 which isn't bad either. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 18:10:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBANAGO7029781; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:10:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBANAFAP029771; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:10:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:10:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212101810.AA64225874@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Motorcycle show on the History Channel X-Mailer: This one was a pleasant surprise - they actually talked about more than Harley's. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:53:36 -0500 >At 03:31 PM 12/10/2002, Isaac Blanck wrote: >>Sunday there was a 2 hour show on the history channel >>about motorcyling in the US. I only caught the last >>hour, but it was great. It even had Leno talking >>about bikes. I'd like to watch the whole thing, but >>it costs $30 to order, and I don't want it that bad. >>Does anyone know if they repeat shows on THC? I don't >>see it listed as playing again this week. jib > >I'll set TiVo up to look for it. Probably runs in the middle of the >morning or something. I am continually disappointed with those shows in >general. 90% Harley discussion. I caught a good show the other day on our >favorite bikes in history. Talked a lot about the Gold Wing, YZ250, >Triumph Bonneville (original) and others. Too bad the only MC racing I can >catch now seems to be flat track dirt and motoX. > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 19:54:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBB0sIO7032389; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:54:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBB0sGv5032379; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:54:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021211005409.32041.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:54:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: riding in the great white north (again) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00d001c2a093$934b0880$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Today looked like a pretty good day to ride, but my bike is stuck right in > the middle this neighborhood! > > Ice, schmice. As we say in the MSF for just about any situation, "stay > loose on the bars, keep a steady throttle and ride through." :) The snow/ice around my bike is so bad I can't even get a good grip (with my feet) to back the bike up. The apartment complex I lived in before did an excellent job of plowing and sand/salting the lot. This place doesn't care all that much. I've been very moody and withdrawn lately. Now I understand PMS (Parked Motorcycle Syndrome) better. I'm looking forward to rain over the weekend to melt the ice/snow/crap that's left. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 20:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBB1GrO7000472; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:16:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBB1Gq2V000465; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:16:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021211011650.75737.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "William J. Huson" I should be doing the same thing. On the list, a conversion project to install a `98 Road Glide fairing on my `93 FLHS, and of course there's the dust covered `66 Norton waiting for me to crank wrenchs. But ... it's freaking cold! Under threat of a slow painful death, I dare not bring bike projects into the house, so I'm offline until it warms up. Next major home improvement, heat for the garage. ========= Bill, you dont really need much heat either if you're insulated. I had insulaton and drywall put in this fall and now, with a kerosene heater on for an hour, then a small Home Cheapo heating fan remaining on, my 12x24 garage gets pretty toasty inside. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 20:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBB1NdO7000540; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:23:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBB1Nd0a000527; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:23:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: heat for the garage Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:07:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2002 01:07:08.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0B7F0A0:01C2A0B1] Costco sells a radiating dish. Heats up great, no fumes... but I have a small garage. Leave that on for an hour or two, go in and it's toasty warm. Also if you point the dish over to the proximity you are working in, it's feels great. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 21:12:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBB2CgO7001727; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:12:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBB2Cf2p001717; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:12:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008501c2a0ba$95cf7ec0$79302c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , References: <20021211005409.32041.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: riding in the great white north (again) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:11:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I feel your pain. On our street everything gets nice and slushy during the day, but freezes up rock hard again at night. I only recall the District salting our street once, a couple of years ago when we had over a foot of snow. The little VF handles the snow pretty well, but the VFR is a handful and she's been parked for more than a week now. I was being a little facetious before, but you can maneuver and ride through a *little* ice. My little VF500F can build up enough momentum to cruise through icy patches at my workplace parking lot. I stick to the main drags at night though when it's harder to spot those icy patches. Ice is manageable unless you need traction for accelerating, turning or stopping. Even if both tires lose traction, forward momentum will keep the bike upright and going straight. Maintain steady throttle, avoid bar inputs, stay off the brakes and don't panic. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: Re: riding in the great white north (again) > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Today looked like a pretty good day to ride, but my bike is stuck right in > > the middle this neighborhood! > > > > Ice, schmice. As we say in the MSF for just about any situation, "stay > > loose on the bars, keep a steady throttle and ride through." :) > > The snow/ice around my bike is so bad I can't even get a good grip (with my > feet) to back the bike up. The apartment complex I lived in before did an > excellent job of plowing and sand/salting the lot. This place doesn't care all > that much. I've been very moody and withdrawn lately. Now I understand PMS > (Parked Motorcycle Syndrome) better. I'm looking forward to rain over the > weekend to melt the ice/snow/crap that's left. > > Louis > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Fairfax, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 21:22:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBB2LxO7002172; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:21:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBB2LxcA002160; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:21:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF6A28D.271812DA@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:27:25 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kozyn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* References: <20021211011650.75737.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kozyn wrote: > Bill, you dont really need much heat either if you're insulated. I had > insulaton and drywall put in this fall and now, with a kerosene heater > on for an hour, then a small Home Cheapo heating fan remaining on, my > 12x24 garage gets pretty toasty inside. > > John Kozyn (D-mode) > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > My garage is 25 X 25 and half has a 10' cieling hieght. It is well insulated, but kero heaters give me sinus headaches (?). I have a pair of electric space heaters but they make the electric meter HOWL in pain. I think it's the spinner disk, like over 30,000 RPM it makes like a jet turbine scream :-( Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 21:26:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBB2QtO7002248; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:26:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBB2QtME002238; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:26:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 11 Dec 2002 02:26:51 GMT Message-ID: <00c401c2a0bc$bcefe790$20fea8c0@david> From: "Dave Yates" Cc: References: <20021211011650.75737.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> <3DF6A28D.271812DA@patriot.net> Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:26:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > Bill, you dont really need much heat either if you're insulated. > My garage is 25 X 25 and half has a 10' cieling hieght. It is well > insulated, but kero heaters give me sinus headaches (?). I have a pair of > electric space heaters but they make the electric meter HOWL in pain. I > think it's the spinner disk, like over 30,000 RPM it makes like a jet > turbine scream :-( [Dave] I hear you - the new house came with window shaker AC... dominion power asked for permission to rate my bill in gigiwatt hours... H*ll Bill, for those space heaters, why not throw in some electric baseboards ??? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 10 21:47:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBB2lKO7003118; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:47:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBB2lJuc003111; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:47:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:02:07 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* In-Reply-To: <00c401c2a0bc$bcefe790$20fea8c0@david> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Dave Yates wrote: > > > Bill, you dont really need much heat either if you're insulated. > > > My garage is 25 X 25 and half has a 10' cieling hieght. It is well > > insulated, but kero heaters give me sinus headaches (?). I have a pair of > > electric space heaters but they make the electric meter HOWL in pain. I > > think it's the spinner disk, like over 30,000 RPM it makes like a jet > > turbine scream :-( > > [Dave] I hear you - the new house came with window shaker AC... dominion > power asked for permission to rate my bill in gigiwatt hours... H*ll Bill, > for those space heaters, why not throw in some electric baseboards ??? My garage is about the same... 20x24 12' ceilings. I use a 100,000 btu propane jet heater to bring the temps comfy (with the garage door cracked), then switch to a small 30,000 btu radiant propane heater to maintain. It stays warm enough for me to wear a t-shirt and sweatpants while working on my car. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 09:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBE5FO7007356; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:05:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBE5BwS007349; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:05:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle show on the History Channel Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:04:49 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 25 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== Message-Id: <20021211140449.RRLU9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc15> Without knowing the name of the show, I did a quick search for keyword motorcycle at TVGuide.com. The only thing I turned up on the history channel was about transportation throughout the history of America. I did find one show a lot of you might find interesting though, here's the show info. Biker Build-Off 60 min. Two contenders are commissioned to design and construct a custom motorcycle in eight weeks. Rating: TV-PG Category: Documentary Release Year: 2002 It airs on Discovery on the 23rd at 9PM and the 24th at 12AM -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:10:13 -0500 >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Motorcycle show on the History Channel > >This one was a pleasant surprise - they actually talked about more than >Harley's. > >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Troutman >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:53:36 -0500 > >>At 03:31 PM 12/10/2002, Isaac Blanck wrote: >>>Sunday there was a 2 hour show on the history channel >>>about motorcyling in the US. I only caught the last >>>hour, but it was great. It even had Leno talking >>>about bikes. I'd like to watch the whole thing, but >>>it costs $30 to order, and I don't want it that bad. >>>Does anyone know if they repeat shows on THC? I don't >>>see it listed as playing again this week. jib >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 09:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBEBwO7007796; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:11:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBEBwhK007783; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:11:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What causes backfires? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:11:51 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 25 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== Message-Id: <20021211141151.RVSE9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc15> My bike started acting real peculiar this morning (yes, I rode in... all the ice was gone by 8AM). I was riding down 50 as normal and was slowing for a light when it backfired. The bike has backfired before, but this one was pretty loud. A second later, there was another backfire, which was even louder. In addition, the second one stalled out the engine. For the rest of the ride, the bike was running pretty rough. It even started stalling when I stopped for lights, which has never happenned before. When I got to work, I parked and let it run for a little while, but the engine sounded fairly normal at idle. The bike is overdue to have it's valves adjusted, so I am going to take it into the shop anyways, but I wanted to know if this is anything I should worry about. Please CC me in reponses, as I am digest challenged. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 09:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBEVHO7008340; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:31:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBEVHeq008332; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:31:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008801c2a122$386fb480$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20021211141151.RVSE9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc15> Subject: Re: What causes backfires? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:32:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'd check the plugs. Wet weather seems to make marginal spark plugs misbehave. Pretty routine commute today, in fact better than average. Not many motorists on the road. The most hazardous part of the trip was the last 50' into the office, on foot. Bricks look quaint but they are very slippery when covered in ice. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > My bike started acting real peculiar this morning (yes, I rode in... all the > ice was gone by 8AM). > > I was riding down 50 as normal and was slowing for a light when it backfired. > The bike has backfired before, but this one was pretty loud. A second later, > there was another backfire, which was even louder. In addition, the second one > stalled out the engine. > > For the rest of the ride, the bike was running pretty rough. It even started > stalling when I stopped for lights, which has never happenned before. When I > got to work, I parked and let it run for a little while, but the engine sounded > fairly normal at idle. > > The bike is overdue to have it's valves adjusted, so I am going to take it into > the shop anyways, but I wanted to know if this is anything I should worry about. > > Please CC me in reponses, as I am digest challenged. > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 09:32:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBEWvO7008376; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:32:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBEWv6G008370; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF74CA7.C8C5F444@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:33:11 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What causes backfires? References: <20021211141151.RVSE9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc15> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > My bike started acting real peculiar this morning (yes, I rode in... all the > ice was gone by 8AM). > > I was riding down 50 as normal and was slowing for a light when it backfired. > The bike has backfired before, but this one was pretty loud. A second later, > there was another backfire, which was even louder. In addition, the second one > stalled out the engine. > > For the rest of the ride, the bike was running pretty rough. It even started > stalling when I stopped for lights, which has never happenned before. When I > got to work, I parked and let it run for a little while, but the engine sounded > fairly normal at idle. > > The bike is overdue to have it's valves adjusted, so I am going to take it into > the shop anyways, but I wanted to know if this is anything I should worry about. > > Please CC me in reponses, as I am digest challenged. > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star Ignition interuptous. Wet wires. One (or more) cylinders isn't firing, dumping raw gas into the hot pipes where it goes *BANG*. Or you may have left the enrichment/choke on to long and fouled a plug. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 10:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBFpuO7009652; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:51:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBFpu7U009645; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:51:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:51:52 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Dainese moto-"airbag" Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Forwarded to me by a friend... http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge021206.html Closer-to-home moto-news... I got my crash bars mounted, K&N filter installed, and idle speed adjusted. Now all I need is to mount this new gas cap on my tank and get a new clutch lever (bent mine... again) and I'll be back in business. Until the next problem, that is. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 11:06:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBG6VO7010175; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBG6UXu010166; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111106.AA50397816@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Adam Wah" Subject: Re: heat for the garage X-Mailer: Is this one certified (or whatever) for indoor use? thx Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Adam Wah" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:07:08 +0000 > >Costco sells a radiating dish. Heats up great, no fumes... but I have a >small garage. Leave that on for an hour or two, go in and it's toasty warm. > Also if you point the dish over to the proximity you are working in, it's >feels great. > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 11:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBGFNO7010650; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:15:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBGFMXM010639; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:15:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021211161520.9888.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:15:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: What causes backfires? To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021211141151.RVSE9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc15> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like carb icing to me. Given the current conditions out there, it sounds particularly so. Does your bike have carbs or fuel injection? If it IS carb icing, I'm not sure there's much you can do about it except fit some sort of carb heater. Good news is it's nothing serious (if I'm right). Chris Weaver --- purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > My bike started acting real peculiar this morning > (yes, I rode in... all the > ice was gone by 8AM). > > I was riding down 50 as normal and was slowing for a > light when it backfired. > The bike has backfired before, but this one was > pretty loud. A second later, > there was another backfire, which was even louder. > In addition, the second one > stalled out the engine. > > For the rest of the ride, the bike was running > pretty rough. It even started > stalling when I stopped for lights, which has never > happenned before. When I > got to work, I parked and let it run for a little > while, but the engine sounded > fairly normal at idle. > > The bike is overdue to have it's valves adjusted, so > I am going to take it into > the shop anyways, but I wanted to know if this is > anything I should worry about. > > Please CC me in reponses, as I am digest challenged. > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 11:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBGtEO7011328; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:55:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBGtDpE011318; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:55:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211115210.026dab58@pop.central.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:55:09 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Dainese moto-"airbag" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:51 AM 12/11/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >Forwarded to me by a friend... > >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge021206.html ...I can see it now. Since the vest stays inflated for 20 seconds, someone could be riding the Dragon, have a low side and bounce down the road like a beach ball.... right off the edge of a cliff. "Hey, this vest is GREAT. I don't feel a EEYYYAAAAAAAA!" *thud* >Closer-to-home moto-news... I got my crash bars mounted, K&N filter >installed, and idle speed adjusted. Now all I need is to mount this new >gas cap on my tank and get a new clutch lever (bent mine... again) and >I'll be back in business. Until the next problem, that is. hey you got the gas cap eh? Does it look just like the OEM? What condition is it in? -aki >Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 12:11:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBHBAO7011846; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:11:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBHBApl011841; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:11:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:11:07 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dainese moto-"airbag" In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211115210.026dab58@pop.central.cox.net> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > "Hey, this vest is GREAT. I don't feel a EEYYYAAAAAAAA!" Hehehe. Doesn't sound like Dainese is going to bring it to the US, though, at least for a while. Smart people. > hey you got the gas cap eh? Does it look just like the OEM? What > condition is it in? Yup, looks exactly like OEM to me. New condition. Wa-hey! (And only $70, too!) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 12:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBHH3O7012304; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:17:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBHH3SB012294; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:17:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211121506.0271bc58@pop.central.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:16:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Dainese moto-"airbag" In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211115210.026dab58@pop.central.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:11 PM 12/11/2002, you wrote: >On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > >> "Hey, this vest is GREAT. I don't feel a EEYYYAAAAAAAA!" > >Hehehe. Doesn't sound like Dainese is going to bring it to the US, though, >at least for a while. Smart people. I don't think it'll be a big hit, (no pun intended), in the U.S. either. >> hey you got the gas cap eh? Does it look just like the OEM? What >> condition is it in? > >Yup, looks exactly like OEM to me. New condition. Wa-hey! (And only $70, >too!) cool beans! Very cool beans! -aki >Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 12:45:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBHjmO7012898; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:45:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBHjlsx012888; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:45:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: heat for the garage Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c2a13d$363d01c0$1400a8c0@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: The only problem is if you work with chemicals, gasoline, etc, the fumes usually hug the floor. This can be very dangerous with a heater. I have a 2.5 car garage, and I will use a Kerosene heater to get the temp up, but once I'm in there working, I have a heater mounted from the ceiling (240v 20 Amp) that keeps the garage warm. It will actually bring the heat up on it's own, but the Kerosene is very fast. I also paid extra bucks to have the garage fully insulated. Well worth the money. I just moved in here 2 weeks ago from a 1 car garage. I'm in heaven! http://www.gwfweb.com/house/pages/021211.htm -----Original Message----- From: Adam Wah [mailto:hotrivet@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:07 PM To: bhuson@XXXXXX; DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: heat for the garage Costco sells a radiating dish. Heats up great, no fumes... but I have a small garage. Leave that on for an hour or two, go in and it's toasty warm. Also if you point the dish over to the proximity you are working in, it's feels great. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 12:51:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBHpBO7013340; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:51:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBHpA17013331; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:51:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF77C4F.E4FC39CC@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:56:31 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dainese moto-"airbag" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211115210.026dab58@pop.central.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > ...I can see it now. Since the vest stays inflated for 20 seconds, someone could be > riding the Dragon, have a low side and bounce down the road like a beach ball.... right off the edge > of a cliff. > I reckon you'd stand a chance of bouncing off a cliff wall, or going over a cliff on The Dragon, but in most parts of the south your biggest danger leaving the road is getting entangled and strangled in the Kudzu! Kudzu is so nasty pervasive that if you left your home on a two week vacation you'd need a machete to chop your back to the house. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 12:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBHuDO7013783; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:56:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBHuDDR013773; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:56:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: heat for the garage Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:56:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2002 17:56:06.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[94588A30:01C2A13E] It sure is. It's electric. About the size of a small satellite dish the heat element sticks out of the middle like a cone and the heat is reflected off of the metal dish out in to the room. It's radiated rather than blown. I wouldn't put it too close to things likely to heat up burn. Another alternative is those plug in oil radiators... the oil inside the tubing heats up and radiates the heat into the room. aw >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: , "Adam Wah" >Subject: Re: heat for the garage >Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:28 -0500 > >Is this one certified (or whatever) for indoor use? > >thx >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Adam Wah" >Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:07:08 +0000 > > > > >Costco sells a radiating dish. Heats up great, no fumes... but I have a > >small garage. Leave that on for an hour or two, go in and it's toasty >warm. > > Also if you point the dish over to the proximity you are working in, >it's > >feels great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 13:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBIFfO7014313; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:15:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBIFfCo014305; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:15:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:15:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111315.AA62194296@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: heat for the garage X-Mailer: Thanks! How much was it, and how much power does it need? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Adam Wah" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:56:06 +0000 >It sure is. It's electric. About the size of a small satellite dish the >heat element sticks out of the middle like a cone and the heat is reflected >off of the metal dish out in to the room. It's radiated rather than blown. > >I wouldn't put it too close to things likely to heat up burn. Another >alternative is those plug in oil radiators... the oil inside the tubing >heats up and radiates the heat into the room. > >aw > > > > > >>From: "Chris Norloff" >>Reply-To: >>To: , "Adam Wah" >>Subject: Re: heat for the garage >>Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:28 -0500 >> >>Is this one certified (or whatever) for indoor use? >> >>thx >>Chris Norloff >> >>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>From: "Adam Wah" >>Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:07:08 +0000 >> >> > >> >Costco sells a radiating dish. Heats up great, no fumes... but I have a >> >small garage. Leave that on for an hour or two, go in and it's toasty >>warm. >> > Also if you point the dish over to the proximity you are working in, >>it's >> >feels great. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >> >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 13:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBIH4O7014349; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:17:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBIH4W8014341; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:17:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:17:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111317.AA62521976@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: heat for the garage X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gary Foreman" >Well worth the >money. I just moved in here 2 weeks ago from a 1 car garage. I'm in >heaven! I understand about living in garages, nice to be near the important things in life! :-) Where did you get your electric heater? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 13:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBIn0O7015304; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:49:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBIn0w3015294; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:49:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: , Subject: RE: heat for the garage Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c2a146$045fb900$1400a8c0@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200212111317.AA62521976@mail.toward.com> The heater was from Home Depot. It can be used on the floor also, but again, I wanted it out of fumes way. It really blows some heat. Very happy with it. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:17 PM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: heat for the garage ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gary Foreman" >Well worth the >money. I just moved in here 2 weeks ago from a 1 car garage. I'm in >heaven! I understand about living in garages, nice to be near the important things in life! :-) Where did you get your electric heater? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 15:42:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBKgtO7016848; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:42:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBKgrR2016838; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:42:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 11 Dec 2002 20:42:50 GMT Message-ID: <006f01c2a158$48c8ac20$6501a8c0@laura> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:00:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Hey all! Just wanted to share my excitement of the awesome present my fiance bought for me as a surprise. The other day I came home from my cruise to a (Chuck, close your eyes!) US-titled NSR250! How cool is that? So watch out all...we'll be back on the street with you all soon! Laura (LAG) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 16:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBL8SO7017477; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:08:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBL8Sxt017467; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:08:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:09:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230BD44C80@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Thread-Index: AcKhWWwBhNDigrXOQP2mPOy7U4+6qg== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gBBL8RO7017455 Cool present. This is must bring to a bike night event. George >>> Laura Granato 12/11/02 04:00PM >>> Hey all! Just wanted to share my excitement of the awesome present my fiance bought for me as a surprise. The other day I came home from my cruise to a (Chuck, close your eyes!) US-titled NSR250! How cool is that? So watch out all...we'll be back on the street with you all soon! Laura (LAG) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 16:10:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBLAdO7017906; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:10:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBLAd6f017898; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:10:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021211211036.25216.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:10:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230BD44C80@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck is gonna plotz when he sees this... Chris > >>> Laura Granato 12/11/02 04:00PM >>> > The other day I came home from my cruise > to a (Chuck, close your eyes!) US-titled NSR250! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 16:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBLI0O7018352; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:18:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBLHxt4018344; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:17:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:17:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2002 21:17:52.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3EF3E80:01C2A15A] Too Cool! Can't wait to see it. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:00:06 -0500 Hey all! Just wanted to share my excitement of the awesome present my fiance bought for me as a surprise. The other day I came home from my cruise to a (Chuck, close your eyes!) US-titled NSR250! How cool is that? So watch out all...we'll be back on the street with you all soon! Laura (LAG) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 17:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBM86O7019059; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:08:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBM85L9019049; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:08:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:08:02 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Begeman's EX250 in 2003 IBR Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Our very own Leon Begeman will be riding his Ninja 250 in the 2003 Iron Butt Rally. Leon, you are a strange, strange man. Good luck. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 17:15:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBMFkO7019516; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:15:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBMFkom019507; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:15:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021211171506.035a4c30@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:15:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: airbag discussions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was gone all day - anyone following the airbag discussions on /. ? http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/11/1248208.shtml?tid=126 _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 17:47:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBMlkO7020084; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:47:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBMlk9F020074; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:47:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021211224740.20976.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Begeman's EX250 in 2003 IBR To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Fish, Speaking of strange, does anyone have a spare high capacity regulator/rectifier that might also fit a Ninja 250? I'm considering an upgrade to the electrical system and wonder which other regulator/rectifiers might do the job better than the stock item. Leon The Ninja 250 entry in the '03 Iron Butt Rally. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Our very own Leon Begeman will be riding his Ninja > 250 in the 2003 Iron > Butt Rally. > > Leon, you are a strange, strange man. Good luck. > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 18:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBNipO7020823; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:44:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBBNinak020813; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:44:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF7CF2F.D6B320F2@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:50:07 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Begeman's EX250 in 2003 IBR References: <20021211224740.20976.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got one off a Harley EVO you could play with. No idea about "fit", has a couple holes for bolts/screws and a wires coming outta both ends. Handled juice from the fairly beefy BigTwin alternator. Bill in Annandale cell 703 624-9648 Leon Begeman wrote: > Thanks Fish, > Speaking of strange, does anyone have a spare high > capacity regulator/rectifier that might also fit a > Ninja 250? I'm considering an upgrade to the > electrical system and wonder which other > regulator/rectifiers might do the job better than the > stock item. > > Leon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 11 23:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBC4ANO7024426; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:10:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBC4AMAR024416; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:10:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wet Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:10:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 04:10:15.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FC4A5F0:01C2A194] I used to have a similar problem on an old 76 Honda 750 during heavy downpours.... when I switched to an electronic ignition the problem cleared up. Maybe electrical related. Do you ride in the rain? Has the problem shown up when riding in wet conditions? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 00:24:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBC5OOO7025188; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:24:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBC5OOVk025178; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:24:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <120.1ac19bee.2b297783@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:24:19 EST Subject: Re: What causes backfires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/11/2002 9:12:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, purdyjeremy@XXXXXX writes: > For the rest of the ride, the bike was running pretty rough. It even > started > stalling when I stopped for lights, which has never happenned before. A lot of newer bikes have deep wells wherein live the spark plugs. There is usually a way for water to drain out of the wells, sometimes it is just a tiny hole where bugs like to build nifty clay nests plugging the hole and allowing it to fill with water grounding out the plug and causing misfire. Another odd problem I have seen is the vent tube from the gas tank plugging with ice of all things creating a vacuum in the tank and as a result running problems. Just more ideas. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 07:48:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCCmDO7027921; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:48:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCCmCtx027911; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:48:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515156@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Traction Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:48:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Paul in DC posted: "Ice is manageable unless you need traction for accelerating, turning or stopping." Are you entering that for understatement of the year? 8^D It reminded me of an earlier quotable: "Traction is like money - it's better to have and not need, than to need & not have... " Dave Yates Carl in Bethesda (collector) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 08:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCDhFO7028580; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:43:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCDhEfb028569; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:43:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:43:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120843.AA24576444@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles , Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Begeman's EX250 in 2003 IBR X-Mailer: Electrical Connection might be able to help with upgrades. http://www.electricalconnection.com/index2.htm Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:47:40 -0800 (PST) >Thanks Fish, >Speaking of strange, does anyone have a spare high >capacity regulator/rectifier that might also fit a >Ninja 250? I'm considering an upgrade to the >electrical system and wonder which other >regulator/rectifiers might do the job better than the >stock item. > >Leon >The Ninja 250 entry in the '03 Iron Butt Rally. >--- Fish Flowers wrote: >> Our very own Leon Begeman will be riding his Ninja >> 250 in the 2003 Iron >> Butt Rally. >> >> Leon, you are a strange, strange man. Good luck. >> >> Fish. >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 09:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCEHWO7029168; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:17:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCEHQnO029156; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:17:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 12 Dec 2002 14:17:22 GMT Message-ID: <016b01c2a1e9$1eac3790$20fea8c0@david> From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515156@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Subject: Re: Traction Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Carl in Brrrthesda reminded me > It reminded me of an earlier quotable: > "Traction is like money - it's better to have and not need, than to need & > not have... " > Dave Yates [Dave] And let's not forget, when you break the 'traction bank', it gives "going broke" a whole new meaning... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 10:04:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCF4MO7029820; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:04:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCF4MGO029812; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:04:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:04:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Begeman's EX250 in 2003 IBR To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3DF8A56E.C979DF77@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Fish Flowers wrote: > > Our very own Leon Begeman will be riding his Ninja 250 in the 2003 Iron > Butt Rally. Which one? He's got a whole fleet of them now. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 10:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCF5LO7029861; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:05:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCF5LEb029855; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:05:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:05:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Begeman's EX250 in 2003 IBR To: Leon Begeman Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Message-id: <3DF8A5A9.40957253@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021211224740.20976.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > Thanks Fish, > Speaking of strange, does anyone have a spare high > capacity regulator/rectifier that might also fit a > Ninja 250? I'm considering an upgrade to the > electrical system and wonder which other > regulator/rectifiers might do the job better than the > stock item. You are welcome to come over and check out the free Connie and see if it would work. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 10:12:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCFCDO7030706; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:12:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCFCDOL030698; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:12:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:12:09 -0800 From: To: Laura Granato Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Three words: I hate you! %^) You gonna let me ride it??? On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:00:06 -0500 Laura Granato wrote: > Hey all! Just wanted to share my excitement of > the awesome present my fiance > bought for me as a surprise. The other day I > came home from my cruise to a > (Chuck, close your eyes!) US-titled NSR250! > How cool is that? So watch out > all...we'll be back on the street with you all > soon! > > Laura (LAG) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 10:43:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCFhuO7031339; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:43:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCFhtos031329; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:43:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010e01c2a1f5$89f6af60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515156@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Subject: Re: Traction Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:44:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: Traction > Paul in DC posted: > "Ice is manageable unless you need traction for accelerating, turning or > stopping." > > Are you entering that for understatement of the year? 8^D > > It reminded me of an earlier quotable: > "Traction is like money - it's better to have and not need, than to need & > not have... " > Dave Yates > > Carl in Bethesda (collector) Yep, I endeavour to avoid being overdrawn at the Bank of Traction and maintain a sizeable balance. Still, it is possible to ride in low-traction situations. Traction is on a sliding scale. It varies according to all sorts of factors. You should be tuned into these factors, even when it's dry and 80 degrees. If you know your bike and can feel what it's telling you, riding in low traction environments is doable. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 10:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCFjJO7031376; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:45:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCFjJ9r031369; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:45:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What causes backfires? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:45:12 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 25 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== Message-Id: <20021212154512.ESTL9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> Yeah, that sounds about right. Especially since I am having no problems at all today. I'll probably take a look at the plugs anyways when I get a chance. Thanks for everyone's help. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star > Sounds like carb icing to me. Given the current > conditions out there, it sounds particularly so. Does > your bike have carbs or fuel injection? If it IS carb > icing, I'm not sure there's much you can do about it > except fit some sort of carb heater. Good news is it's > nothing serious (if I'm right). > > Chris Weaver > > > > --- purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > > My bike started acting real peculiar this morning > > (yes, I rode in... all the > > ice was gone by 8AM). > > > > I was riding down 50 as normal and was slowing for a > > light when it backfired. > > The bike has backfired before, but this one was > > pretty loud. A second later, > > there was another backfire, which was even louder. > > In addition, the second one > > stalled out the engine. > > > > For the rest of the ride, the bike was running > > pretty rough. It even started > > stalling when I stopped for lights, which has never > > happenned before. When I > > got to work, I parked and let it run for a little > > while, but the engine sounded > > fairly normal at idle. > > > > The bike is overdue to have it's valves adjusted, so > > I am going to take it into > > the shop anyways, but I wanted to know if this is > > anything I should worry about. > > > > Please CC me in reponses, as I am digest challenged. > > > > -- > > Jeremy Purdy > > '00 Yamaha V-Star > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 11:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCGFKO7032372; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:15:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCGFK5Y032364; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:15:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <115.1bf1b290.2b2a0ff0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:14:40 EST Subject: Re: Traction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 > "Ice is manageable unless you need traction for accelerating, turning or > stopping." Or for that matter going in a straight line on an uneven surface. Been there, done that, fell down. (dirt bike, parking lot, little ridge of ice. put a new meaning to "faster then a speeding bullet!) Horizon went from left to right to up and down before I could go "OH! SH -" John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 11:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCGQmO7000363; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:26:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCGQmub000355; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:26:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F1451515B@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Traction Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:27:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain > Paul in DC posted: > "Ice is manageable unless you need traction for accelerating, turning or > stopping." 'n I quipped: > Are you entering that for understatement of the year? 8^D > Then he rejoined: > Yep, I endeavour to avoid being overdrawn at the Bank of Traction and > maintain a sizeable balance. > Still, it is possible to ride in low-traction situations. Traction is on > a > sliding scale." CC: Oh stop. yer cracking me up. :^D He then sermonized (Would that be a Pauline epistle?): > It varies according to all sorts of factors. You should be tuned into > these factors, even when it's dry and 80 degrees. If you know your bike > and can feel what it's telling you, riding in low traction environments is > doable. > CC: and the choir responds. Oh yea-ah -- two snaps and a triple "aaa-men" Uh, but, before you tyros follow Paul's confession and trundle your bikes onto the slippery streets, ask yourself: Am I in good enough condition to take a spill? Do I have damn good protective gear? Do I realize that BDC's with similar marginal traction can hurt me . . . seriously? Have I removed cold brittle parts e.g. plastic shields? Am I willing to fix the parts that might get bent-twisted? If yes to all, enjoy. Carl in Bethesda Have done snow (8"), sleet (Rt 50), ice (C St SW). GEM #5 My 62 year old bones say no to question one. Have Metro card, will ride. 8^D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 11:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCGegO7000881; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:40:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCGefAG000873; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:40:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212121639.PZU09929@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:39:43 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Traction To: "'DCCycles'" X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the Carls commented: > He then sermonized (Would that be a Pauline epistle?): [Dave] He's our very own Paulie Walnuts ! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 11:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCGtVO7001411; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:55:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCGtUCv001400; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:55:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Traction Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:55:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F1451515B@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F1451515B@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <021212115526A5.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 12 December 2002 11:27, Custer, Carl wrote: > > Paul in DC posted: > > "Ice is manageable unless you need traction for accelerating, turning or > > stopping." > > 'n I quipped: > > Are you entering that for understatement of the year? 8^D > > Then he rejoined: > > Yep, I endeavour to avoid being overdrawn at the Bank of Traction and > > maintain a sizeable balance. > > Still, it is possible to ride in low-traction situations. Traction is on > > a > > sliding scale." > > CC: Oh stop. yer cracking me up. :^D > > He then sermonized (Would that be a Pauline epistle?): > > It varies according to all sorts of factors. You should be tuned into > > these factors, even when it's dry and 80 degrees. If you know your bike > > and can feel what it's telling you, riding in low traction environments > > is doable. > > CC: and the choir responds. Oh yea-ah -- two snaps and a triple > "aaa-men" > Uh, but, before you tyros follow Paul's confession and trundle your > bikes onto the slippery streets, ask yourself: > Am I in good enough condition to take a spill? > Do I have damn good protective gear? > Do I realize that BDC's with similar marginal traction can hurt me . > .. . seriously? > Have I removed cold brittle parts e.g. plastic shields? > Am I willing to fix the parts that might get bent-twisted? > If yes to all, enjoy. > Here's your "aaa-men". The reason I drive the truck in on slick days (snow/ice) isn't because of my lack of skills, it's the BDC lack of skills. Now maybe with the ping-pong ball inflate-a-vest, maybe :-) > Carl in Bethesda > Have done snow (8"), sleet (Rt 50), ice (C St SW). > GEM #5 > My 62 year old bones say no to question one. > Have Metro card, will ride. 8^D Carl in DC but from out west. Have done snow (flurries) Have headless meters, will drive. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 12:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCHurO7002190; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:56:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCHurvZ002180; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:56:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021212175650.96600.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: what happened to pocono raceway? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii WERA/CCS don't have it on their schedules. What sort of RR faclities exist in the north east? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 13:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCIuFO7002954; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:56:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCIuFLx002946; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:56:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: what happened to pocono raceway? From: Brian Roach To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021212175650.96600.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021212175650.96600.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 12 Dec 2002 13:56:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1039719368.10171.207.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 12:56, matthew patton wrote: > WERA/CCS don't have it on their schedules. What sort of RR faclities > exist in the north east? WERA hasn't raced there in many years due to safety concerns (someone used to get killed and/or seriously injured there every WERA weekend in the early-mid 90's) CCS was only racing there in conjunction with FUSA, and FUSA is scaling back quite a bit. They had a LOT of overhead at Pocono because the track wouldn't address the safety issues. FUSA would go in, remove armco and fencing, then replace it after the event. Even then... it was pretty scary to race there, even with air-fence. The last time we were there with FUSA there were about 3 transports out of T1 where the track surface is about a foot higher than the run-off on the outside (nice launching effect). There's really not much in the NE. Loudoun (also scary) ... and that's about it. Beaver Run in PA, but that's near Pittsburg. If they ever open Rousch Creek (doubtfull) that'll be about it. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 15:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCK6gO7003732; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:06:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCK6fOY003722; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:06:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001d01c2a218$ad3bd6d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: References: <006f01c2a158$48c8ac20$6501a8c0@laura> Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:57:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Congrat on your US-titled street legal NSR !!! I'm feeling jealous... those things are weightless and flies! If you need parts I may be able to get some from Japan. Enjoy ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Granato" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! > Hey all! Just wanted to share my excitement of the awesome present my fiance > bought for me as a surprise. The other day I came home from my cruise to a > (Chuck, close your eyes!) US-titled NSR250! How cool is that? So watch out > all...we'll be back on the street with you all soon! > > Laura (LAG) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 15:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBCKHBO7004208; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:17:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBCKHALG004200; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:17:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! From: Brian Roach To: Shigeru Honda Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001d01c2a218$ad3bd6d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> References: <006f01c2a158$48c8ac20$6501a8c0@laura> <001d01c2a218$ad3bd6d0$6500a8c0@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 12 Dec 2002 15:16:48 -0500 Message-Id: <1039724208.10183.217.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 14:57, Shigeru Honda wrote: > Congrat on your US-titled street legal NSR !!! I'm feeling jealous... > those things are weightless and flies! > If you need parts I may be able to get some from Japan. > Enjoy ! Parts and bikes aren't the problem, titles are :) I think Steve's got about 2 frames, 3 motors, and lord knows what else at the shop. I've got a line on another titled one but they want real money for it, the bastards! - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 19:33:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBD0XoO7008870; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:33:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBD0Xnok008860; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:33:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c2a23f$1dac5db0$692c2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Dr. Grid-motorists think "Smooth Operator" is a sham Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:32:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well, well. It seems motorists on the ground are finding "Smooth Operator" to be another empty PR gesture doing nothing to improve traffic safety, just like "Operation Road Rocket." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37916-2002Dec10.html Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 22:09:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBD39CO7010804; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:09:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBD39BB3010794; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:09:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 13 Dec 2002 03:09:06 GMT Message-ID: <009201c2a257$6a335a40$6501a8c0@laura> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Shigeru Honda" , References: <006f01c2a158$48c8ac20$6501a8c0@laura> <001d01c2a218$ad3bd6d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > Congrat on your US-titled street legal NSR !!! I'm feeling jealous... > those things are weightless and flies! > If you need parts I may be able to get some from Japan. > Enjoy ! > Thanks! I can't wait either...and I definitely can't wait to zip back and forth in front of Chuck on it. ;) LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 12 22:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBD3CAO7011643; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:12:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBD3CAP7011638; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:12:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 13 Dec 2002 03:12:07 GMT Message-ID: <00a201c2a257$d62b1f80$6501a8c0@laura> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Brian Roach" , "matthew patton" Cc: References: <20021212175650.96600.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> <1039719368.10171.207.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: what happened to pocono raceway? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:29:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 >The last time we were there > with FUSA there were about 3 transports out of T1 where the track > surface is about a foot higher than the run-off on the outside (nice > launching effect). I won't ever ride Pocono after watching Brian and others ride that track. Hell no! T1 destroyed bikes and people, and wound me up at some hillybilly hospital about twenty miles away picking up one of our friends after a scary accident and head injury. Bike didn't look so good either... LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 06:09:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDB9gO7014451; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:09:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDB9fST014441; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:09:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:06:10 -0500 Subject: Sunday-Sun and uppers 40's From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit After the rain, snow, ice anyone up for a little ride- eat- ride deal out this way on Sunday? Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 06:31:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDBVsO7014964; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:31:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDBVrF4014954; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:31:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Sunday-Sun and uppers 40's Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:31:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <021213063150AE.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 13 December 2002 06:06, Bob McKeithen wrote: > After the rain, snow, ice anyone up for a little ride- eat- ride deal out > this way on Sunday? > Well hopefully I'm heading down to NC to pick up a bike but I haven't received any further communications from the guy so it may fall through (he may be iced in though). If it does, I'll be available for a ride if you'll have a cruiser :-) Yep, I got my bike back last night after 5 weeks in the shop. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 07:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDC4UO7015537; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:04:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDC4UBv015529; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:04:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:04:27 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sunday-Sun and uppers 40's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Bob McKeithen wrote: > After the rain, snow, ice anyone up for a little ride- eat- ride deal > out this way on Sunday? Ooh, yes please. I'll have to check with my social director, but I don't _think_ there was anything planned... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 07:38:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDCc8O7016106; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:38:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDCc8pH016096; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:38:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f301c2a2a4$736d3bb0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Bob McKeithen" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Sunday-Sun and uppers 40's Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:37:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I will have to check with my cruise director too, but I am up for it. Monday is my birthday and I need an excuse to get out of this house. Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McKeithen" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:06 AM Subject: Sunday-Sun and uppers 40's > After the rain, snow, ice anyone up for a little ride- eat- ride deal out > this way on Sunday? > > Bob > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 08:50:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDDohO7016855; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:50:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDDogLV016845; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:50:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 05:50:39 -0800 From: To: Laura Granato Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Should I just have "Kick Me" sewn on the back of my leathers? On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:26:23 -0500 Laura Granato wrote: > > Thanks! I can't wait either...and I definitely > can't wait to zip back and > forth in front of Chuck on it. ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 09:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDE5vO7017358; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:05:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDE5vbF017350; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:05:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212131405.PZV84937@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:05:57 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck "Quien no sabe" P asked: >Should I just have "Kick Me" sewn on the back of my leathers? [Dave] Oh - My - Gawd... Nobody's told Chuck about the permanent 'kick me' affixed to his leathers yet ? ? ? ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 09:28:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDEStO7017877; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:28:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDESsrn017870; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:28:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021213142852.15175.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:28:52 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Should I just have "Kick Me" sewn on the back of my leathers? relax. You should see all the greasy palms on teh backside of my leathers as people attempt to speed me up by giving me a push on their way past... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 09:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDEdTO7018361; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:39:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDEdSgC018353; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:39:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:39:26 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! In-Reply-To: <20021213142852.15175.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, matthew patton wrote: > You should see all the greasy palms on teh backside of my leathers as > people attempt to speed me up by giving me a push on their way past... I'm sure that's exactly why they were patting you on the butt, Matt. In other news, anyone looked at the BMW C1? http://www.bmw-c1.com/ Paraphrasing madly from their marketing drivel: "The BMW C1 is the first two-wheel vehicle in the world which provides a safety standard equal to that of a small car when it comes to head-on collisions." (Note the caveat.) Hmm. Weird lookin' beastie. Looks like a Sm!rt car, only with two wheels. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 09:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDEpiO7019674; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:51:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDEphSx019664; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:51:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DF9F394.1A91E2A5@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:49:56 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Wohooo! I'm gonna be back on the road! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > > You should see all the greasy palms on teh backside of my leathers as > > people attempt to speed me up by giving me a push on their way past... > > I'm sure that's exactly why they were patting you on the butt, Matt. > > In other news, anyone looked at the BMW C1? http://www.bmw-c1.com/ > Paraphrasing madly from their marketing drivel: "The BMW C1 is the first > two-wheel vehicle in the world which provides a safety standard equal to > that of a small car when it comes to head-on collisions." (Note the > caveat.) > > Hmm. Weird lookin' beastie. Looks like a Sm!rt car, only with two wheels. > > Fish. adn what's weirder... "With anti-roll and shoulder bars, special crash elements and a cleverly conceived belt system which - as proven by crash testing - always keeps the rider safely inside the cell, the C1 provides a safety standard which is unique amongst two-wheel vehicles and equal to that of a small car when it comes to head-on collisions." A seat belt??!? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDG3LO7020871; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:03:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDG3LHW020861; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:03:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFA039D.5F5593F@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:58:21 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SABMAGERS , DCCycles Subject: What hand signals do you use??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To occupy my bad weather and stupid driver time I thought I'd post a general silly question that I'm sure has been asked before. I've seen some different hand gestures used to wave at passing riders. I was curious what people most often used and/or perhaps why they would use certain ones at different times. Here are some of what I've seen so far. I wonder if there are regional differences...I wouldn't be surprised. Naturally, please add one if it's not listed. Here are some of what I've seen already.... The standard regular wave (fingers up, open palm towards passing rider) Downside wave (arm out, fingers extended, open palm down) Two pointer (two pointer fingers, arm out, palm towards passing rider) The lazy man's two pointer (two pointer fingers, palm down just off the grip) Good ol' power-fist (like the Black Panther "fight the power" fist) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:25:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDGP1O7021411; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:25:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDGP0TC021406; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:25:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021213112318.03efe8c8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:24:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? In-Reply-To: <3DFA039D.5F5593F@carlparker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:58 AM 12/13/2002, Carl Parker wrote: > I've seen >some different hand gestures used to wave at passing riders.Naturally, >please add one if it's not listed. Two fingers down - inverted peace sign with diagonal left arm. Unless the other rider is on a Harley. Then I extend my middle finger. (ducks for cover). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDGSSO7021861; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDGSRkT021853; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DCCycles Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3DFA039D.5F5593F@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3DFA039D.5F5593F@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02121311282402.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 13 December 2002 10:58, Carl Parker wrote: > To occupy my bad weather and stupid driver time I thought I'd post a > general silly question that I'm sure has been asked before. I've seen > some different hand gestures used to wave at passing riders. I was > curious what people most often used and/or perhaps why they would use > certain ones at different times. Here are some of what I've seen so > far. I wonder if there are regional differences...I wouldn't be > surprised. Naturally, please add one if it's not listed. > > Here are some of what I've seen already.... > > The standard regular wave (fingers up, open palm towards passing > rider) > Downside wave (arm out, fingers extended, open palm down) > Two pointer (two pointer fingers, arm out, palm towards passing rider) > > The lazy man's two pointer (two pointer fingers, palm down just off > the grip) > Good ol' power-fist (like the Black Panther "fight the power" fist) Back when I first started riding it was the "biker power" fist for everyone. That lasted for about 10 or 12 years I guess. Last year when I started riding again, I found that there were different waves and people complaining. My waves are mainly based on visibility. If you're northbound on 95 with the Jersey barriers then I'll wave high. Mainly it's wave sideways though. How many fingers etc is a function of how I feel at the time. If I'm feeling particularly cool it'll be the two finger "cub scout" wave. Otherwise it's the casual wave, almost the "stick you hand out of the window and play with the breeze" wave. Kinda sideways. At times my wife's been behind me in her car and commented that some guys wave after they've passed me. IOW, I'll wave and see no response but Rita'll see it. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:28:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDGSuO7021907; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDGSt53021892; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005401c2a2c4$ff3135a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DCCycles" References: <3DFA039D.5F5593F@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:30:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 You left out the "Marion Barry one-digit salute" that I reserve for those "special" road encounters. :) Seriously though, I'm an open palm toward the other ride type. Paulie (Walnuts) in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Parker" > > Here are some of what I've seen already.... > > The standard regular wave (fingers up, open palm towards passing > rider) > Downside wave (arm out, fingers extended, open palm down) > Two pointer (two pointer fingers, arm out, palm towards passing rider) > > The lazy man's two pointer (two pointer fingers, palm down just off > the grip) > Good ol' power-fist (like the Black Panther "fight the power" fist) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDGTsO7022342; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:29:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDGTsxF022334; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:29:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFA0A8E.FFD23B30@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:27:58 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021213112318.03efe8c8@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > At 10:58 AM 12/13/2002, Carl Parker wrote: > > I've seen > >some different hand gestures used to wave at passing riders.Naturally, > >please add one if it's not listed. > > Two fingers down - inverted peace sign with diagonal left arm. Unless the > other rider is on a Harley. Then I extend my middle finger. > > (ducks for cover). I only tell Harley riders that they're number one in my book if they don't wave. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDGUnO7022777; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:30:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDGUnd1022772; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:30:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021213113019.022cb6f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:30:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Google's new froogle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=honda+vfr Pretty cool way to find bike stuff. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDGWgO7023218; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:32:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDGWfRf023212; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:32:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021213113111.021b4fb8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:32:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? In-Reply-To: <3DFA0A8E.FFD23B30@tasam.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021213112318.03efe8c8@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:27 AM 12/13/2002, Skip Smith wrote: > > Two fingers down - inverted peace sign with diagonal left arm. Unless the > > other rider is on a Harley. Then I extend my middle finger. > > > > (ducks for cover). > >I only tell Harley riders that they're number one in my book if they >don't wave. I never send them the finger. I was only kidding. Well - not never. My father-in-law and mother-in-law both ride Harleys - so I definitely have a reason to raise the bird. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDGYiO7023263; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:34:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDGYiIw023257; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:34:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Sunday-Sun and uppers 40's Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:34:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <021213063150AE.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <021213063150AE.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02121311344003.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 13 December 2002 06:31, Carl Schelin wrote: > On Friday 13 December 2002 06:06, Bob McKeithen wrote: > > After the rain, snow, ice anyone up for a little ride- eat- ride deal out > > this way on Sunday? > > Well hopefully I'm heading down to NC to pick up a bike but I haven't > received any further communications from the guy so it may fall through (he > may be iced in though). If it does, I'll be available for a ride if you'll > have a cruiser :-) > Fortunately I received an e-mail from the guy. We'll head out tonight and stay and the beautiful Howard Johnson's in Raleigh and pick up the bike at around noon. If we're back in time, I may participate. > Yep, I got my bike back last night after 5 weeks in the shop. > And it cost $232 for the oil change. Whew. $180 for 3 hours of work. > Carl Carl (again) -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 11:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDGujO7024645; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:56:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDGujCT024638; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:56:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212131656.PZW19500@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:56:40 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paulie provided: >You left out the "Marion Barry one-digit salute" that I reserve for those >"special" road encounters. :) > >Seriously though, I'm an open palm toward the other ride type. [Dave] I don't typically wave across dividers, I've found many don't wave back... I'll revert to the head nod if someone catches me in a take off or at a shift, and a wave would cause an impact to my riding... Else, it's hte standard palm out type of wave for everyone on a bike... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 12:18:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDHI7O7025220; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:18:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDHI6Wl025210; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:18:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFA1787.F774B974@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:23:19 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Sunday-Sun and uppers 40's References: <021213063150AE.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <02121311344003.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > And it cost $232 for the oil change. Whew. $180 for 3 hours of work. > > Carl (again) Yipes! 3 hours to change oil? Did they suck it out through a capillary tube? Take the engine apart and swab the old oil off the parts with sterile shop rags? Sheesh, oil & filter change is like a 15 minute job, and 10 of that is kicked back in a lawn chair drinking a beer. SWMBO: Watcha doin'? Me: Waitin' fer the oil to drain out proper, sweets. *Buuurrrppp* (scratches belly) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 12:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDHLhO7025266; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:21:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDHLgwY025255; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:21:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFA1867.E20DDFA0@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:27:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Parker CC: SABMAGERS , DCCycles Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? References: <3DFA039D.5F5593F@carlparker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Parker wrote: > To occupy my bad weather and stupid driver time I thought I'd post a > general silly question that I'm sure has been asked before. I've seen > some different hand gestures used to wave at passing riders. I was > curious what people most often used and/or perhaps why they would use > certain ones at different times. Here are some of what I've seen so > far. I wonder if there are regional differences...I wouldn't be > surprised. Naturally, please add one if it's not listed. > > Here are some of what I've seen already.... > > The standard regular wave (fingers up, open palm towards passing > rider) > Downside wave (arm out, fingers extended, open palm down) > Two pointer (two pointer fingers, arm out, palm towards passing rider) > > The lazy man's two pointer (two pointer fingers, palm down just off > the grip) > Good ol' power-fist (like the Black Panther "fight the power" fist) Flop left hand out, open palm like a handshake on the fly. I worry about the laibility, though. Me on a Harley waving to a sportbiker - sometimes they looked shocked and fail to pay attention to the highway. I even wave at scooters and kids on mopeds. We're all in the same game. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 12:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDHR6O7026120; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:27:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDHR6MZ026113; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:27:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday-Sun and uppers 40's Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:27:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <02121311344003.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DFA1787.F774B974@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3DFA1787.F774B974@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02121312270207.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 13 December 2002 12:23, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > And it cost $232 for the oil change. Whew. $180 for 3 hours of work. > > > > Carl (again) > > Yipes! 3 hours to change oil? Did they suck it out through a capillary > tube? Take the engine apart and swab the old oil off the parts with sterile > shop rags? Sheesh, oil & filter change is like a 15 minute job, and 10 of > that is kicked back in a lawn chair drinking a beer. > I was going to bring the reciept in to review it. There were several things that they checked where they had to take apart things and replace gaskets. I was going to do it myself since the only item I couldn't have done was to check the steering but with the leaking rocker cover I figured it was covered under warranty. I let them deal with it and 230 seems fair considering they had to replace several bits of hardware. Still though. Changing the oil for 232 is a bit steep. Carl > SWMBO: Watcha doin'? > Me: Waitin' fer the oil to drain out proper, sweets. *Buuurrrppp* > (scratches belly) > Hey, I'm trying to eat here *burp* > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 12:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDHUgO7026177; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:30:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDHUff8026169; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:30:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:30:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3DFA039D.5F5593F@carlparker.com> <3DFA1867.E20DDFA0@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3DFA1867.E20DDFA0@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02121312303808.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 13 December 2002 12:27, William J. Huson wrote: > > Flop left hand out, open palm like a handshake on the fly. I worry about > the laibility, though. Me on a Harley waving to a sportbiker - sometimes > they looked shocked and fail to pay attention to the highway. I even wave > at scooters and kids on mopeds. We're all in the same game. > Heh, I waved at a guy on a scooter and he about fell off. Next time he waved vigorously and I thought he was going to run into a tree :-) > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 13:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDIfDO7027351; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:41:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDIfAvb027336; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:41:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021213134043.00b4d2e0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:41:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:58 AM 12/13/2002, you wrote: > To occupy my bad weather and stupid driver time I thought I'd post > a >general silly question that I'm sure has been asked before. I've >seen >some different hand gestures used to wave at passing riders. I was >curious what people most often used and/or perhaps why they would >use >certain ones at different times. Here are some of what I've seen so >far. I wonder if there are regional differences...I wouldn't be >surprised. Naturally, please add one if it's not listed. > >Here are some of what I've seen already.... > >The standard regular wave (fingers up, open palm towards passing >rider) >Downside wave (arm out, fingers extended, open palm down) >Two pointer (two pointer fingers, arm out, palm towards passing >rider) > >The lazy man's two pointer (two pointer fingers, palm down just off >the grip) >Good ol' power-fist (like the Black Panther "fight the power" fist) Traffic permitting, (it's usually frowned upon to do this on the Beltway for example), I usually get off the bike and do a "jumping jack" kind of wave while spinning my jacket over my head and yelling: "HELLO FELLOW BIKER!!! YES, YOU ON THE , MY BROTHER ON TWO WHEELS! MAY YOUR ROAD ALWAYS BE SMOOTH AND THE SKIES ALWAYS BE BLUE!! BLESS YOU ON YOUR TWO WHEELED JOURNEY!!! WOO! WOO!" Then I usually follow them for a mile or two just to make sure their journey is safe and they know they have a 'bro there if they need one. I know they really appreciate this because they always yell something back at me but I'm not exactly sure what they're saying since I'm still yelling salutations and lighting roman candles taped to my helmet. Seems a lot of them are always in a real hurry too. Sometimes they reach speeds of over 100mph and I have to break off. Maybe that's why I was so exhausted after Rolling Thunder. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 13:46:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDIkLO7027799; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:46:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDIkLIH027791; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:46:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:00:55 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? In-Reply-To: <3DFA0A8E.FFD23B30@tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Skip Smith wrote: > > Two fingers down - inverted peace sign with diagonal left arm. Unless the > > other rider is on a Harley. Then I extend my middle finger. > > > > (ducks for cover). > > I only tell Harley riders that they're number one in my book if they > don't wave. I wave (2 fingers close together, pointing down) to all bikers. If they wave back, great. If not, no biggie. It's amusing that you'd take something as trivial as a wave so personally and flip someone off :-) Here's a good scenario for you - You stop at a biker hangout (for whatever reason) and as you're walking through the parking lot you pass a large biker mounting his Harley. You nod hello and manage to squeak out a 'hey' in your most imposing voice. He looks at you with a scowl. Are you going to flip him off? :-) No need to answer, just food for thought! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 14:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDJ0GO7028298; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:00:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDJ0GHV028290; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:00:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019001c2a2d9$d4fb5800$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "dc-cycles" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021213134043.00b4d2e0@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:59:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I like semifore myself, with the flags. I think that always works best, but only the lifeguards on the beach know what I am talking about. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" To: "dc-cycles" Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? > At 10:58 AM 12/13/2002, you wrote: > > To occupy my bad weather and stupid driver time I thought I'd post > > a > >general silly question that I'm sure has been asked before. I've > >seen > >some different hand gestures used to wave at passing riders. I was > >curious what people most often used and/or perhaps why they would > >use > >certain ones at different times. Here are some of what I've seen so > >far. I wonder if there are regional differences...I wouldn't be > >surprised. Naturally, please add one if it's not listed. > > > >Here are some of what I've seen already.... > > > >The standard regular wave (fingers up, open palm towards passing > >rider) > >Downside wave (arm out, fingers extended, open palm down) > >Two pointer (two pointer fingers, arm out, palm towards passing > >rider) > > > >The lazy man's two pointer (two pointer fingers, palm down just off > >the grip) > >Good ol' power-fist (like the Black Panther "fight the power" fist) > > > > Traffic permitting, (it's usually frowned upon to do this on the > Beltway for example), I usually get off the bike and do a "jumping > jack" kind of wave while spinning my jacket over my head and yelling: > > "HELLO FELLOW BIKER!!! YES, YOU ON THE including license plate #> , MY BROTHER ON TWO WHEELS! MAY YOUR ROAD > ALWAYS BE SMOOTH AND THE SKIES ALWAYS BE BLUE!! BLESS YOU ON YOUR > TWO WHEELED JOURNEY!!! WOO! WOO!" > > Then I usually follow them for a mile or two just to make sure their > journey is safe and they know they have a 'bro there if they need > one. I know they really appreciate this because they always yell > something back at me but I'm not exactly sure what they're saying > since I'm still yelling salutations and lighting roman candles taped > to my helmet. > > Seems a lot of them are always in a real hurry too. Sometimes they > reach speeds of over 100mph and I have to break off. > > Maybe that's why I was so exhausted after Rolling Thunder. > > 8-P > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 15:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDKL3O7029336; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:21:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDKL2D3029326; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:21:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFA4271.F5D84689@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:26:25 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Parker CC: SABMAGERS , DCCycles Subject: Re: What hand signals do you use??? References: <3DFA039D.5F5593F@carlparker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought of another signal I use which sometimes involves the hand - blowing a caged babe a kiss! Most of them luv it, judging from the laughter. A few seem to luv it too much and take my innocent *ahem* flirtations serious. This can present a problem. Some of little jap sporty chick cars are quick, and a Harley bagger isn't designed to outrun them with ease. And yet I must run to preserve my virtue! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 17:15:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDMF1O7030404; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:15:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDMEw5q030383; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:14:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:14:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131714.AA10355214@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: bus driver attacks X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gBDMEvO7030371 Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority 600 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 Today a Metrobus driver attempted to force me off the road. The bus was number 4318 or 4381. This occurred at 4:33pm, 13 December 2002, westbound on I-66, just after the entrance ramp from Fairfax Drive. I was driving in the right lane at the speed of traffic, after the entrance ramp ended. The Metrobus came from behind, crossed the solid white line and passed me on the shoulder. He may have passed vehicles behind me as well, but I)B’m not sure. The driver pulled even with me then crossed the solid white line moving into my lane right beside me. After he entered my lane the driver turned on the turn signal – but his intentions to force me out of the lane were already clear. I was on a red motorcycle, with all front, rear, and side lights turned on. I was wearing a bright orange vest with reflective stripes. It)B’s clear that the driver saw me. It is equally clear the driver chose me as the smallest vehicle on the road, and the one least likely to damage the bus if I was unable to avoid the collision. Please respond to me and let me know what you will do with this road rage bus driver, before he/she succeeds in hurting someone. Sincerely, Chris Norloff Copy to: Dr. Gridlock, The Washington Post From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 17:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDMQQO7030868; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:26:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDMQQ1C030860; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:26:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFA5FCF.9881E29F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:31:44 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: bus driver attacks References: <200212131714.AA10355214@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority > 600 Fifth Street, NW > Washington, DC 20001 > > Today a Metrobus driver attempted to force me off the road. The bus was number 4318 or 4381. This occurred at 4:33pm, 13 December 2002, westbound on I-66, just after the entrance ramp from Fairfax Drive. > > I was driving in the right lane at the speed of traffic, after the entrance ramp ended. The Metrobus came from behind, crossed the solid white line and passed me on the shoulder. He may have passed vehicles behind me as well, but I)B’m not sure. The driver pulled even with me then crossed the solid white line moving into my lane right beside me. After he entered my lane the driver turned on the turn signal – but his intentions to force me out of the lane were already clear. > > I was on a red motorcycle, with all front, rear, and side lights turned on. I was wearing a bright orange vest with reflective stripes. It)B’s clear that the driver saw me. It is equally clear the driver chose me as the smallest vehicle on the road, and the one least likely to damage the bus if I was unable to avoid the collision. > > Please respond to me and let me know what you will do with this road rage bus driver, before he/she succeeds in hurting someone. > > Sincerely, > > Chris Norloff > > Copy to: Dr. Gridlock, The Washington Post Mind posting Dr Gridlock's email addy? And/or Metros. I'm sure dccycles could mount an email blitz that would be noticed. (no paper today, stuck on kid sitting duty) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 18:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBDNLsO7031567; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:21:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBDNLrgw031557; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:21:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004f01c2a2fe$afa95be0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "List-dc cycles" References: <200212131714.AA10355214@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: bus driver attacks Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:22:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It's my experience that some Metro drivers are aggressive mergers, not to mention speeders. I've had them come over on me on the GW Pkwy. They act as if their schedules are paramount and heaven help anyone who gets in their way. I also see them using "assertive" lane use techniques and less than strict adherence to traffic signals near the bus barn north of Old Town Alexandria. Break time beckons, I guess. Good to get ID numbers, times and places, something I'm not very diligent about. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" > > Today a Metrobus driver attempted to force me off the road. The bus was number 4318 or 4381. This occurred at 4:33pm, 13 December 2002, westbound on I-66, just after the entrance ramp from Fairfax Drive. > > I was driving in the right lane at the speed of traffic, after the entrance ramp ended. The Metrobus came from behind, crossed the solid white line and passed me on the shoulder. He may have passed vehicles behind me as well, but I'm not sure. The driver pulled even with me then crossed the solid white line moving into my lane right beside me. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 21:45:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBE2jHO7003089; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:45:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBE2jH1l003081; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:45:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:45:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212132145.AA4850250@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Paul Wilson" Subject: Re: bus driver attacks X-Mailer: Well, hopefully putting it in writing, and getting Dr. Gridlock's attention (or at least showing Metro that Dr. Gridlock might print it) will get the word to this driver and his ilk. Or not. :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:22:17 -0500 >It's my experience that some Metro drivers are aggressive mergers, not to >mention speeders. I've had them come over on me on the GW Pkwy. They act >as if their schedules are paramount and heaven help anyone who gets in their >way. > >I also see them using "assertive" lane use techniques and less than strict >adherence to traffic signals near the bus barn north of Old Town Alexandria. >Break time beckons, I guess. > >Good to get ID numbers, times and places, something I'm not very diligent >about. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Norloff" > > >> Today a Metrobus driver attempted to force me off the road. The bus was >number 4318 or 4381. This occurred at 4:33pm, 13 December 2002, westbound >on I-66, just after the entrance ramp from Fairfax Drive. >> >> I was driving in the right lane at the speed of traffic, after the >entrance ramp ended. The Metrobus came from behind, crossed the solid white >line and passed me on the shoulder. He may have passed vehicles behind me as >well, but I'm not sure. The driver pulled even with me then crossed the >solid white line moving into my lane right beside me. ... > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 22:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBE3OqO7003696; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:24:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBE3OpEC003686; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:24:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: bus driver attacks Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:07:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200212131714.AA10355214@mail.toward.com> Whoa Chris, Glad you didn't end up a road pizza. I think it's our civic duty to write metro and echo these sentiments. Stay safe. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:15 PM To: List-dc cycles Subject: bus driver attacks Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority 600 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 Today a Metrobus driver attempted to force me off the road. The bus was number 4318 or 4381. This occurred at 4:33pm, 13 December 2002, westbound on I-66, just after the entrance ramp from Fairfax Drive. I was driving in the right lane at the speed of traffic, after the entrance ramp ended. The Metrobus came from behind, crossed the solid white line and passed me on the shoulder. He may have passed vehicles behind me as well, but I)B’m not sure. The driver pulled even with me then crossed the solid white line moving into my lane right beside me. After he entered my lane the driver turned on the turn signal )B– but his intentions to force me out of the lane were already clear. I was on a red motorcycle, with all front, rear, and side lights turned on. I was wearing a bright orange vest with reflective stripes. It)B’s clear that the driver saw me. It is equally clear the driver chose me as the smallest vehicle on the road, and the one least likely to damage the bus if I was unable to avoid the collision. Please respond to me and let me know what you will do with this road rage bus driver, before he/she succeeds in hurting someone. Sincerely, Chris Norloff Copy to: Dr. Gridlock, The Washington Post From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 13 22:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBE3xtO7004282; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:59:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBE3xtGT004274; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:59:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:56:21 -0500 Subject: Sunday ride--details From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If Y'all want to come out this way, here is what is being offered. Meet at Tri-State Exxon at the intersection of Loudoun County Rt #671 and US Rt#340 (more directions at the end of this missive) at 11:30 AM. That's about 70 miles from DC. We will visit Burkettsville (where Blair Witch Project was filmed). Then to the FIRST Washington Mounument near Boonsboro after a stop on top of South Mountain at the Gath monument. Afterward on to Shepherdstown for lunch and some twisties on the way back. Most of the route follows the Potomac river and C and O Canal. The ride itself should take about two hours--I want to get you back before dark. If you are coming please ping me off list so I make reservations for lunch. Detailed directions to meeting place. >From Northern Virginia: Dulles Toll Road west to Greenway to Leesburg. From Leesburg take Rt 7 to Rt 9 west toward Charlestown. Rt.9 to 3miles past the little village of Hillsboro to traffic light. Road forks--take right fork (county 671 or Harpers Ferry Road. Continue to the intersection with US 340--Exxon on left. >From Montgomery County: I270 to Frederick then 340 south toward Charlestown. Exxon on left just after you cross Potomac River Bridge. Remember to let me know, so I can give the make reservations. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 14 08:42:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBEDgGO7007526; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:42:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBEDgEkJ007516; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:42:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 14 Dec 2002 13:42:10 GMT Message-ID: <004301c2a376$994612d0$20fea8c0@david> From: "Dave Yates" Cc: "DCCycles" References: <200212131714.AA10355214@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: bus driver attacks Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:42:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Did you file a report with the police ? Dave Yates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: bus driver attacks > > Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority > 600 Fifth Street, NW > Washington, DC 20001 > > > Today a Metrobus driver attempted to force me off the road. The bus was number 4318 or 4381. This occurred at 4:33pm, 13 December 2002, westbound on I-66, just after the entrance ramp from Fairfax Drive. > > I was driving in the right lane at the speed of traffic, after the entrance ramp ended. The Metrobus came from behind, crossed the solid white line and passed me on the shoulder. He may have passed vehicles behind me as well, but I'm not sure. The driver pulled even with me then crossed the solid white line moving into my lane right beside me. After he entered my lane the driver turned on the turn signal - but his intentions to force me out of the lane were already clear. > > I was on a red motorcycle, with all front, rear, and side lights turned on. I was wearing a bright orange vest with reflective stripes. It's clear that the driver saw me. It is equally clear the driver chose me as the smallest vehicle on the road, and the one least likely to damage the bus if I was unable to avoid the collision. > > Please respond to me and let me know what you will do with this road rage bus driver, before he/she succeeds in hurting someone. > > Sincerely, > > > > Chris Norloff > > Copy to: Dr. Gridlock, The Washington Post > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 14 10:00:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBEF0qO7008262; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:00:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBEF0oWN008252; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:00:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c2a380$cfcfd200$692e2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Bob McKeithen" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Sunday ride--details Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:55:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sounds great. I'm in. I'll be heading out from the District via 66, Dulles Toll Road, etc., leaving downtown (Lafayette Sq.) about 10:15, if anyone wants to join up. Hoping for blue skies and sand-free corners. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McKeithen" > If Y'all want to come out this way, here is what is being offered. Meet at > Tri-State Exxon at the intersection of Loudoun County Rt #671 and US Rt#340 > (more directions at the end of this missive) at 11:30 AM. That's about 70 > miles from DC. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 14 10:48:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBEFmJO7008882; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:48:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBEFmJ7B008874; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:48:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:36:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2002 15:36:35.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[95A997E0:01C2A386] From: "Paul Wilson" Does it surprise anyone? It is PR invented by some schmuck who needs to justify their existance by "creating" some program which is comprised of fluff.... lot's of money in advertising and rollout and has absolutely no substance.... looks like some FAT that Warner could cut out of the budget... but won't because it would make sense to do so... so what does he do? Cuts in educational budgets (for one). Warner's solving the Wilder, Robb, Allen, Gilmore legacy is a joke... as his goal is the U.S. Senate and his governorship is just a block which needs checking. To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Dr. Grid-motorists think "Smooth Operator" is a sham Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:32:26 -0500 Well, well. It seems motorists on the ground are finding "Smooth Operator" to be another empty PR gesture doing nothing to improve traffic safety, just like "Operation Road Rocket." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37916-2002Dec10.html Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 14 10:57:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBEFvMO7009355; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:57:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBEFvLSe009350; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:57:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:45:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2002 15:45:34.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[D70DE640:01C2A387] Left handed Roman salute (Thump chest with fist and extend arm with power fist to like in a "heil" type of movement) (who the hell knows) Thumbs up (good road, nice day, no cops) Thumbs down (bad road, speed trap, traffic jam) Hand opening and closing repeatedly (your blinker is on goofus) Arm pointing to the road (looky here, road kill) Arm pumping up and down with a power fist (Get it on) Palms up arm extended to the front (gimme quarter) Right handed salute (I'm on a Goldwing with cruise control) ================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:58:21 -0500 From: Carl Parker To: SABMAGERS , DCCycles Subject: What hand signals do you use??? To occupy my bad weather and stupid driver time I thought I'd post a general silly question that I'm sure has been asked before. I've seen some different hand gestures used to wave at passing riders. I was curious what people most often used and/or perhaps why they would use certain ones at different times. Here are some of what I've seen so far. I wonder if there are regional differences...I wouldn't be surprised. Naturally, please add one if it's not listed. Here are some of what I've seen already.... The standard regular wave (fingers up, open palm towards passing rider) Downside wave (arm out, fingers extended, open palm down) Two pointer (two pointer fingers, arm out, palm towards passing rider) The lazy man's two pointer (two pointer fingers, palm down just off the grip) Good ol' power-fist (like the Black Panther "fight the power" fist) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 14 12:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBEHZBO7010273; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:35:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBEHZACL010263; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:35:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:34:52 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: Bob McKeithen cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Sunday ride--details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Bob McKeithen wrote: > Remember to let me know, so I can give the make reservations. Sounds excellent! Count me in. And I'm passing up four hours of cuddling and drinky and watching the extended LotR:FotR for this, so you can tell how excited I am... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 14 15:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBEKFwO7011405; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:15:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBEKFvSH011395; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:15:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFB9050.E19C401C@carlparker.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:10:56 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Anyone riding tomorrow??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ya'll, It's Saturday. I HAD to ride today...izzo nice! Anyone heading out to the mountains tomorrow? Carl Parker 7.587.4135 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 14 22:31:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBF3VVO7016156; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:31:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBF3VUXU016149; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:31:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:27:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Sunday ride--details To: Fish Flowers Cc: Bob McKeithen , DC Cycles Message-id: <3DFBF687.B1BBAE70@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Fish Flowers wrote: > And I'm passing up four hours of cuddling and drinky and watching the > extended LotR:FotR for this Oooh, that'd be a tough call... 4 days until the TT comes out, I'm re-reading a FotR paperback right now. Hork, a fan -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 15 19:59:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBG0xkO7004949; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:59:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBG0xggG004942; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:59:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021216005940.9522.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:59:40 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/15/02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200212160000.gBG000fv002274@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dale in Dale City wrote: > > And I'm passing up four hours of cuddling and drinky and watching > > the extended LotR:FotR for this > 4 days until the TT comes out, I'm re-reading a FotR > paperback right now. > Hork, a fan OK Dale, I finally figured out that LotR has to mean "Lives of the Rich" but what does "FotR" mean?? (!) For my part today, I soloed out to 211 via 55-691-689-647-641 and back. Road conditions were, for the most part, pretty good (if water drainage doesnt constitute a problem for ya') until the Thornton Gap. Climbing up, the left lane was pretty much covered in sand, and on the west side where salt was used, there were a couple of tip-toe-through-the-turn moments where broad swatches of damp pavement could have been iced over hours earlier. I saw about six other bikes (not counting an HD club potatoing in the right lane on 66) including one guy on a blue/lime green bike doing the Gap back and forth. Gotta love no traffic in front of you. All in all, a pretty comfortable day for an easy ride. How did the group ride go? I do like that route along the C&O from HP toward Shepherdstown; some tricky, narrow roads in there though :) John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 15 20:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBG1EjO7005459; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:14:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBG1EiP1005448; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:14:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002901c2a4a0$75e8aa20$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: References: <20021216005940.9522.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Nice day ride Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:14:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Alright, I tried to make it to the ride in Loudon County. I even skipped church (wife didn't like that, especially my birthday weekend). Headed north on 270 at Middlebrook, had to get gas. That is when I figured out that I had not enough protection to stay warm for the next two to three hours. After gas I return to 270 Southbound, when right in front of me the car swerves, hits the left jersey wall, goes onto its side and begins to slide. Eventually it started to turn over onto its top. Quick, pucker factor, oh yeah brakes. Cars behind me, good I hear there brakes too. Car slides at least 150 feet. Turns out they were okay, at least a 16 year old and child under 8. I am a medic, the guy beside me in the cage, ex-Miami fire department. So ends my glorious day on my bike, got some good chili at Hard Times Cafe and put the bike to bed till the next nice day, Thursday I believe (they say 50 degrees). Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 06:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGBToO7008897; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:29:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGBTmu7008887; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:29:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:29:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212160629410D.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, Saturday I went down to North Carolina and picked up the Honda 750. It's a bit rusty but serviceable. Check here for the details: http://www.schelin.org/chopper It resolves to a geocities site so be warned about popups (use Opera or Mozilla to avoid popups). There were two problems with the bike. One was that the carbs were acting funny. He'd have to keep it reved at lights or it'd die. When I got it and started poking, I found that the choke was hard stuck open. The other problem was in moving it. There were thoughts that it was just too heavy for two guys to move and definately a big truck would be needed. I only have a little ranger but I've packed my wifes bike with no problem (well, it's only a little 250 but still). The guy (Sonny) showed up about 15 minutes after we did. I got the truck all set up and ready for the bike. I picked up the back and front of the bike since the front wheel rim was under the dirt and grass. With Rita steering, Sonny and I were able to push it up onto the truck. It seemed like one of the brakes was stuck but after examining it I found that the front disk brake was dry and the rear drum brake seemed to be loose. I took it down, still in the truck, and put air into the front tire and it held. So when I got home, I grabbed a couple of the neighbor boys and we backed the bike off of the truck. I was able to move it around without much of a problem. Man, air in the tire does make a difference. But it's there. A little oxidation, both rust and aluminium. I'll start by cleaning it up and trying to get it running. Change the fluids and clean out the carbs. New battery and plugs and we should be ready to go. Later, Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 06:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGBaMO7009367; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:36:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGBaMpr009355; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:36:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:50:32 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Weekend In-Reply-To: <0212160629410D.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > http://www.schelin.org/chopper > > But it's there. A little oxidation, both rust and aluminium. I'll start by > cleaning it up and trying to get it running. Change the fluids and clean out > the carbs. New battery and plugs and we should be ready to go. Looks good, Carl. Good luck with your project! :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 06:43:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGBhaO7009848; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:43:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGBhasJ009838; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:43:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Weekend Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:43:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212160643320E.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 16 December 2002 06:50, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > http://www.schelin.org/chopper > > > > But it's there. A little oxidation, both rust and aluminium. I'll start > > by cleaning it up and trying to get it running. Change the fluids and > > clean out the carbs. New battery and plugs and we should be ready to go. > > Looks good, Carl. Good luck with your project! :-) > Thanks. I'm having a hard time just not blowing off work for a week or two and just working on getting it runnnig (if I could just fix this minor dyslexia). I'll stop by NTB or the place formerly known as Trak Auto (Autolite? Nah) and pick up a battery today since Rita's working tonight. > -- Wayne carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 06:54:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGBsXO7010321; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:54:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGBsXQ7010311; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:54:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:08:43 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Weekend In-Reply-To: <0212160643320E.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Looks good, Carl. Good luck with your project! :-) > > Thanks. I'm having a hard time just not blowing off work for a week or two > and just working on getting it runnnig (if I could just fix this minor I know what you mean. I have some car projects that have stretched out over the last few weeks and I really need to finish them up. I'm dyno tuning one of my cars on 12/28 and I still have to adjust my coilovers to raise the ride height up around 1.5" before it will fit on my trailer, then trailer it to an alignment shop so that I can actually drive it. I'd love to take off a few days this week to finish it up, but between work and Xmas stuff there isn't time :-\ The wife had me running around most of the weekend carrying shopping bags. :-) > dyslexia). I'll stop by NTB or the place formerly known as Trak Auto > (Autolite? Nah) and pick up a battery today since Rita's working tonight. What happened to Trak? They just closed up shop? Here in Frederick the Super Trak has been replaced with a (crappy) Advance Auto. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 07:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGC0IO7010782; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:00:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGC0I9Z010773; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:00:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Weekend Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:00:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212160700150H.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 16 December 2002 07:08, Wayne Edelen wrote: > What happened to Trak? They just closed up shop? Here in Frederick the > Super Trak has been replaced with a (crappy) Advance Auto. That was part of that big Robert Haft family spat. I think they went under and were purchased by Advance Auto. The bookstores (?) were sold off. The one in Woodbridge is now an excercise equipment reseller. > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 07:04:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGC4KO7011251; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:04:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGC4KWG011245; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:04:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFDC27D.F2199197@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:09:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend References: <0212160643320E.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Thanks. I'm having a hard time just not blowing off work for a week or two > and just working on getting it runnnig (if I could just fix this minor > dyslexia). I'll stop by NTB or the place formerly known as Trak Auto > (Autolite? Nah) and pick up a battery today since Rita's working tonight. Our local TRAK is now Advance Auto Parts. Store is more'n 100% neater/cleaner than TRAK ever was. Ait in tires - good. I had to move a 1956 BMW that my late friend owned into a truck and almsot busted a n*t getting it out of his garage. While injected the tires I noticed he'd replaced the tires with some kind of sport tire and the profile of the tire had it rubbing the fenders until I fluffed it up, and even then the clearance was minimal. Have fun! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 07:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGCTlO7011779; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:29:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGCTl7w011769; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:29:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFDC87F.F6AF8456@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:35:11 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend References: <0212160700150H.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > That was part of that big Robert Haft family spat. And I loved every minute of the Haft Fam destruction. My former store was a lease from the Hafts so I am a Haft victim. Bastards! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 07:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGCj7O7012281; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:45:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGCj6aO012271; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:45:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:45:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <0212160643320E.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DFDC27D.F2199197@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3DFDC27D.F2199197@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212160745010L.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 16 December 2002 07:09, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Thanks. I'm having a hard time just not blowing off work for a week or > > two and just working on getting it runnnig (if I could just fix this > > minor dyslexia). I'll stop by NTB or the place formerly known as Trak > > Auto (Autolite? Nah) and pick up a battery today since Rita's working > > tonight. > > Our local TRAK is now Advance Auto Parts. Store is more'n 100% > neater/cleaner than TRAK ever was. > The neighbors are complaining about the lack of options in the new store and are going down the block to Napa. I haven't had a problem so far but I'm not even at Shadetree mechanic level yet :-) > > Have fun! > And isn't that the whole point? !@#$!# rusted engine mounting bolt is FUN! :-) > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 08:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGDciO7013059; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:38:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGDch3O013050; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:38:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [65.216.176.5] From: "jim" To: References: <0212160629410D.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Widder Question Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:27:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 13:27:22.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDCF91B0:01C2A506] I broke out my widder vest and gloves a few days ago, and its clear that something isnt working. Does anyone have any advice on how to test the switch cord and/or battery cable to see what the weak link is? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 09:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGEIbO7013704; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:18:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGEIa1H013694; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:18:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Widder Question Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:18:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0212160629410D.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212160918280R.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 16 December 2002 08:27, jim wrote: > I broke out my widder vest and gloves a few days ago, and its clear that > something isnt working. Does anyone have any advice on how to test the > switch cord and/or battery cable to see what the weak link is? Does it have a fuse? I kept blowing the fuse on my Gerbings because of a short in the right glove. Other than that, you can use a multimeter to make sure you have power at the various plug locations. Multimeters are cheap from Radio Shack, that's where I got mine. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 09:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGEhsO7014248; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:43:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGEhrUO014240; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:43:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [65.216.176.5] From: "jim" To: References: <0212160629410D.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <0212160918280R.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Widder Question Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:32:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 14:32:25.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[F429FC80:01C2A50F] Yeah, its got a fuse, but I checked it out and it appears to be fine. I'm gonna try stripping off some insulation like Louis suggested, and if that doesn't work I think that a multimeter is probably worth picking up. Thanks. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Widder Question > On Monday 16 December 2002 08:27, jim wrote: > > I broke out my widder vest and gloves a few days ago, and its clear that > > something isnt working. Does anyone have any advice on how to test the > > switch cord and/or battery cable to see what the weak link is? > > Does it have a fuse? I kept blowing the fuse on my Gerbings because of a > short in the right glove. > > Other than that, you can use a multimeter to make sure you have power at the > various plug locations. Multimeters are cheap from Radio Shack, that's where > I got mine. > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 09:55:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGEtrO7014832; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:55:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGEtrdf014824; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:55:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:55:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend In-Reply-To: <0212160629410D.21891@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:29:41 -0500 > From: Carl Schelin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Weekend > > Well, Saturday I went down to North Carolina and picked up the Honda 750. > It's a bit rusty but serviceable. Check here for the details: > > http://www.schelin.org/chopper Wow -- my first bike was a CB750, same color. I may still have the Clymer manual for it someplace. G'luck getting it all fixed up! Dan. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 10:07:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGF7SO7015332; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:07:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGF7S5D015324; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:07:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000f01c2a513$859ff6d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: cheap commuter bike Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:57:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Ever since I had my SuperHawk knocked over while parking in DC I was looking for a cheap old bike for commute (and something that can be a racer in the future too). This weekend, I found one and bought it for $700! Its a '91 Suzuki Katana 600 with 23k miles. I was looking at some used bikes at CAD Cycles and there happened to be a guy who was trying to sell his Katana. He needed cash asap, the store offered him $500 so I said $700(should have said $600), it was now or never kind of deal. Since I already have a V-twin I was looking for a thumper like SRX or MZ but I guess inline 4 will do too. anyway, the bike was cheap and its not perfect. Dings here and there, few things need to be replaced. I have a question... The steering feels a bit heavy, does this mean steering head's bearings need to be replaced? If anyone have done it, how much did it cast? There's a little lag in the throttle response, is it just because its a 600cc inline 4? Or simply need to clean up the carb and air filter? Or valves should be adjusted too? well, after all the bike as 23k miles... Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 10:55:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGFtJO7016075; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:55:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGFtIP9016067; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:55:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:55:15 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Sunday Ride Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Props go out to Bob McKeithen for leading Paul Wilson and I around and about bits of Maryland (including the _original_ Washington Monument, which was, err, treacherous) and West Virginia, including lunch with his wife Nancy at a really nice place the name of which I've already forgotten. I had fun! Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 11:14:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGGEdO7016640; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:14:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGGEdW6016630; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:14:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005501c2a51e$82ca67a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:15:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yes, kudos to Bob for being a great host and setting up a delicious lunch. I had a blast discovering some new roads. Yours truly descended the "original" Washington Monument the hard way, but the back protector did its thing. :) (Note to self: your moto boot soles are worn out.) A great day to be out on the bike. The VFR enjoyed stretching her legs a bit after being idled by the snow and whatnot. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Sunday Ride > Props go out to Bob McKeithen for leading Paul Wilson and I around and > about bits of Maryland (including the _original_ Washington Monument, > which was, err, treacherous) and West Virginia, including lunch with his > wife Nancy at a really nice place the name of which I've already > forgotten. I had fun! > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 11:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGGQhO7017118; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:26:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGGQgsa017110; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:26:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:26:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02121611263801.09502@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 16 December 2002 09:55, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:29:41 -0500 > > From: Carl Schelin > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Weekend > > > > Well, Saturday I went down to North Carolina and picked up the Honda 750. > > It's a bit rusty but serviceable. Check here for the details: > > > > http://www.schelin.org/chopper > > Wow -- my first bike was a CB750, same color. I may still have the > Clymer manual for it someplace. > I don't know what brand my first bike was. My uncle gave a broken (seals blown) one to me that I never did get fixed. The first one I bought was a 250; Yamaha I think. My second bike was a brand new CB 360T with the scooped seat. I added a vetter for $150 (big bucks!) and put a radio and speakers in it. It had the little pop out air vents and I thought I was the coolest. I have a picture of me in a blue snow suit, gigantic green knit scarf (that probably would have killed me if it'd gotten loose), gloves and a 3/4 blue helmet. Yep, the bike was blue but the vetter was black. I bought it at the Honda shop in Fredericksburg on Rt 1. > G'luck getting it all fixed up! > Skill. It's skill not luck [knock wood] :-) > > Dan. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 13:20:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGIK9O7018156; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:20:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGIK7XE018146; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:20:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021216131746.0211ba10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:20:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: OT: Need help asap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed HELP! I'm filling out info for a background investigation and need the names of neighbors of places I no longer live. Anyone know what the URL is for an address look up that will also give the names of the occupants in the homes on that street? I rvaguely emember a (free) search engine that did that. I could enter in my home address and it would give all known owners/residents of all adjacent homes as well. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 13:23:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGINVO7018204; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:23:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGINVkR018198; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:23:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001f01c2a530$22f526a0$9c71bc3f@de3bw> Reply-To: "cplvfr" From: "cplvfr" To: "Aki Damme" , References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021216131746.0211ba10@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Need help asap Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:22:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 www.anywho.com and www.searchgateway.com are the ones I use. Travis > > HELP! I'm filling out info for a background investigation and need > the names of > neighbors of places I no longer live. > > Anyone know what the URL is for an address look up that will also > give the names > of the occupants in the homes on that street? > > I rvaguely emember a (free) search engine that did that. I could > enter in my home address and > it would give all known owners/residents of all adjacent homes as > well. > > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 13:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGIZ7O7019187; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:35:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGIZ7Z6019177; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:35:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021216183459.3539.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:34:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Mulholland Drive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001f01c2a530$22f526a0$9c71bc3f@de3bw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i saw this movie yesterday and I still don't have a clue what the hell happened. was anybody able to follow it? moto-content: saw a bunch of other bikers on the road yesterday in my trip to and from leesburg by way of point of rocks. folks seem to give more of an effort to acknowledging fellow riders when the weather is shitty -- waves were plentiful. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 13:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGImKO7019700; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:48:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGImJFD019692; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:48:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016901c2a533$a14676a0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "dc-cycles" , "Aki Damme" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021216131746.0211ba10@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Need help asap Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:47:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 http://www.whowhere.com http://www.netscape.net then go the white pages ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" To: "dc-cycles" Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: OT: Need help asap > > HELP! I'm filling out info for a background investigation and need > the names of > neighbors of places I no longer live. > > Anyone know what the URL is for an address look up that will also > give the names > of the occupants in the homes on that street? > > I rvaguely emember a (free) search engine that did that. I could > enter in my home address and > it would give all known owners/residents of all adjacent homes as > well. > > -aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 14:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGJCwO7020309; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:12:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGJCvnk020299; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:12:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYAmScWw93j30FnukdSOSPbTHsVYvqo4yGvQRB4StdDrJybkHsit/8X3iLvAiaiUuU= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Mulholland Drive Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:12:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c2a537$23405c40$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021216183459.3539.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal I saw it in the theatre, what, a year ago? Been awhile. Anyway, I thought Mul Drive was much more "challenging" (aka confusing) than, say, Blue Velvet. I think MD was meant to be surrealistic art, and as such, characters & events are allowed to melt/meld like Dali timepieces. Go for the symbolism. Or maybe just an excuse to get your GF to watch a hot lesbian sex scene. http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2001/10/23/mulholland_drive_anal ysis/ I suppose I should rent it now that it's out of DVD... --jon -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:35 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mulholland Drive i saw this movie yesterday and I still don't have a clue what the hell happened. was anybody able to follow it? moto-content: saw a bunch of other bikers on the road yesterday in my trip to and from leesburg by way of point of rocks. folks seem to give more of an effort to acknowledging fellow riders when the weather is shitty -- waves were plentiful. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 14:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGJRsO7020807; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:27:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGJRrhv020797; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:27:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021216192226.60232.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: cheap commuter bike To: Shigeru Honda , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000f01c2a513$859ff6d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A set of tapered roller steering head bearings should be less than $50. However, the current thread is "air pressure." (started by Evil Overlord Carl) Have you checked the air pressure in the front tire yet? That would be a $49.75 cheaper solution. Leon. --- Shigeru Honda wrote: > The steering feels a bit heavy, does this mean > steering head's bearings need > to be replaced? > If anyone have done it, how much did it cast? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 14:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGJoSO7021400; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:50:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGJoSFf021390; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:50:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:50:25 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: UK Motorcyclist demands Trial By Combat Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Weird... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/12/16/ndvla16.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/12/16/ixhome.html Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 14:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGJv0O7021865; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGJv0Cw021852; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:56:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212161456.AA117506502@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: bus driver attacks - Metro responds X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: CSVC Reply-To: CSVC Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:19:55 -0800 Dear Mr. Norloff, Thank you for taking the time to make us aware of a bus being operated in an unsafe manner. Safety is Metro's top priority and occurrences such as this are taken very seriously. Because supervisors cannot be everywhere at once, we rely on other drivers, such as yourself, to help us watch for unsafe driving. The information that you have provided will help us to identify this driver so that we can take proper disciplinary action. Safe driving is the primary responsibility of every Metrobus driver, and any conduct that deviates from that will not be tolerated. We apologize for the unprofessional actions of this driver and hope that sharing the road with Metrobuses will be a positive experience in the future. Sincerely, Bob Hester Consumer Representative Case Number: 20204 Original Message Follows: ------------------------ -------- Comments Summary from Chris Norloff -------- Sender: Chris Norloff Email address: chris@XXXXXX Address: Falls Church VA 22046 Telephone: Date of posting: 12/13/2002 Date of incident: 12/13/2002 4:33 A.M. Bus: 4318 or 4381 Route: Rail car number: Railline: Destination: Location where incident took place: westbound on I-66, after entrance ramp from Fairfax Dr. Comment: 13 December 2002 508 N. West St. Falls Church, VA 22046 Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority 600 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 Today a Metrobus driver attempted to force me off the road. The bus was number 4318 or 4381. This occurred at 4:33pm, 13 December 2002, westbound on I-66, just after the entrance ramp from Fairfax Drive. I was driving in the right lane at the speed of traffic, after the entrance ramp ended. The Metrobus came from behind, crossed the solid white line and passed me on the shoulder. He may have passed vehicles behind me as well, but Im not sure. The driver pulled even with me then crossed the solid white line moving into my lane right beside me. After he entered my lane the driver turned on the turn signal  but his intentions to force me out of the lane were already clear. I was on a red motorcycle, with all front, rear, and side lights turned on. I was wearing a bright orange vest with reflective stripes. Its clear that the driver saw me. It is equally clear the driver chose me as the smallest vehicle on the road, and the one least likely to damage the bus if I was unable to avoid the collision. Please respond to me and let me know what you will do with this road rage bus driver, before he/she succeeds in hurting someone. Sincerely, Chris Norloff Copy to: Dr. Gridlock, The Washington Post ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Customer Service: This email is auto generated from wmata.com For application related inquiries, please contact STRK/ECOM Web Development Group at 202/962-6123. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 14:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGJvRO7021899; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGJvRkN021886; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021216183459.3539.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021216183459.3539.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02121614572105.09502@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 16 December 2002 13:34, Tom Gimer wrote: > moto-content: saw a bunch of other bikers on the road > yesterday in my trip to and from leesburg by way of point > of rocks. folks seem to give more of an effort to > acknowledging fellow riders when the weather is shitty -- > waves were plentiful. When I was bringing the bike home Saturday, I was heading down 64 in Richmond to my brother's house. We saw a biker coming up in the left lane. As he caught up he slowed down next to the truckbed (looking at the bike) and then waved as he went by. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 15:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGKZuO7023008; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:35:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGKZts1022998; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:35:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021216203540.56048.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Little yellow cap things? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200212160000.gBG000fv002274@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since my Yuasa battery was dead after the cold and a week-and-a-half of either no activity or *very* short trips, I pulled off the seat to put it on the BatteryTender. Lo and behold, two of the little yellow caps covering the electrolyte reservoir are broken. The method of failure is curious -- it looks like someone has twisted them so hard that the tops popped right off, leaving the screw shaft part in the battery. This has happened several times . . . the first couple of times time, I blamed the service folks for putting the caps on too tight. This time, though, I put them on, and certainly didn't overtighten. 1) Why does this happen? It appears that they are tightening themselves over time (perhaps when electrolyte is evaporating, it creates a vaccuum?) BTW, the acid overflow vent hose is hooked up and not blocked. 2) (more importantly) I'm in DC proper. Anywhere I can get replacement caps without having to drive to Clinton Cycles, Powerslime, etc.? Please cc:me off list as I am digested (and digesting . . . mmmm . . . donuts). Thanks, Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 15:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGKhGO7023491; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:43:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGKhGlI023481; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:43:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFE3C24.91341573@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:48:36 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Shigeru Honda , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap commuter bike References: <20021216192226.60232.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > A set of tapered roller steering head bearings should > be less than $50. > > However, the current thread is "air pressure." > (started by Evil Overlord Carl) Have you checked the > air pressure in the front tire yet? That would be a > $49.75 cheaper solution. Good point. And then there are bikes that just steer heavy. My `73 Honda 350 steered like a truck compared to its replacement, an `81 Suzuki 550. And my Harley FLHS is a feather-steer compared to the Sportster I had in the garage for repair a year or so ago. Methinks it has to do with front end geometry and relitive tire size F/R. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 15:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGKitO7023527; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:44:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGKitRs023519; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:44:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'William J. Huson'" , Leon Begeman Cc: Shigeru Honda , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap commuter bike Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:44:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I had a 93 Katana and it did steer heavy. Good commuter though. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:49 PM To: Leon Begeman Cc: Shigeru Honda; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap commuter bike Leon Begeman wrote: > A set of tapered roller steering head bearings should > be less than $50. > > However, the current thread is "air pressure." > (started by Evil Overlord Carl) Have you checked the > air pressure in the front tire yet? That would be a > $49.75 cheaper solution. Good point. And then there are bikes that just steer heavy. My `73 Honda 350 steered like a truck compared to its replacement, an `81 Suzuki 550. And my Harley FLHS is a feather-steer compared to the Sportster I had in the garage for repair a year or so ago. Methinks it has to do with front end geometry and relitive tire size F/R. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 15:52:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGKqrO7024414; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:52:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGKqrtV024404; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:52:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 16 Dec 2002 20:45:59 GMT Message-ID: <013801c2a544$124bec80$20fea8c0@david> From: "Dave Yates" To: "Aaron" , References: <20021216203540.56048.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Little yellow cap things? Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:45:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 ... >two of the little > yellow caps covering the electrolyte reservoir are > broken. The method of failure is curious -- it looks > like someone has twisted them so hard that the tops > popped right off, leaving the screw shaft part in the > battery. [Dave] it doesn't take much effort to cross thread these things, and as you've seen, they have very little tolerance for abuse... > 1) Why does this happen? It appears that they are > tightening themselves over time (perhaps when > electrolyte is evaporating, it creates a vaccuum?) [Dave] Overtightening, x - threading & overtightening... > BTW, the acid overflow vent hose is hooked up and not > blocked. > > 2) (more importantly) I'm in DC proper. Anywhere I > can get replacement caps without having to drive to > Clinton Cycles, Powerslime, etc.? [Dave] Will defer; as I recall, there's a place of Kenilworthless Ave or thereabouts... when your battery expires, keep the good yellow thingies for these little events... Good luck, Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 16:56:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGLuYO7025169; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:56:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGLuXIH025159; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:56:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFE4B94.1ACEDC0A@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:54:28 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: bus driver attacks - Metro responds References: <200212161456.AA117506502@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: CSVC > Reply-To: CSVC > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:19:55 -0800 > > Dear Mr. Norloff, > "blah, blah, blah, I'm blowing you off, have a nice day" :~) hopefully that isn't the case, though Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 18:10:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGNAwO7026095; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:10:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGNAwpv026085; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:10:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive In-Reply-To: <20021216183459.3539.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:34:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom Gimer > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Mulholland Drive > > i saw this movie yesterday and I still don't have a clue > what the hell happened. was anybody able to follow it? Ya -- basically, the movie started as the pilot for a new TV series and somewhere in the midst of making the movie, the series got canned. So, they wrote an ending and put it out as a movie. As far as the plot goes -- I took it mostly to be a disjointed, time shifted, dream-sequencey version of "Small town girl goes to Holywood and finds that things aren't as peachy as she had originally hoped." ob moto: I raked around the bike this weekend. no more wet slippery leaves around my ride... -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 18:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGNB9O7026125; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:11:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGNB8Xu026119; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:11:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021216231054.90396.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:10:54 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: Need help asap To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021216131746.0211ba10@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii www.reversephonedirectory.com does very nice address lookups, with implied right truncation. Thus, entering 8 Wimp St in their query screen yields the names, addresses, and numbers of all phones on Wimp Street whose house number begins with an 8 (i.e., 8, 8?, 8??, 8???, 8????, etc.) -- Larry --- Aki Damme wrote: > > HELP! I'm filling out info for a background > investigation and need > the names of > neighbors of places I no longer live. > > Anyone know what the URL is for an address look up > that will also > give the names > of the occupants in the homes on that street? > > I rvaguely emember a (free) search engine that did > that. I could > enter in my home address and > it would give all known owners/residents of all > adjacent homes as > well. > > -aki > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 18:19:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBGNJ4O7027010; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:19:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBGNJ4Dd027001; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:19:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:18:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Little yellow cap things? In-Reply-To: <013801c2a544$124bec80$20fea8c0@david> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Dave Yates wrote: > > 2) (more importantly) I'm in DC proper. Anywhere I > > can get replacement caps without having to drive to > > Clinton Cycles, Powerslime, etc.? > > [Dave] Will defer; as I recall, there's a place of Kenilworthless Ave or > thereabouts... > > > when your battery expires, keep the good yellow thingies for these little > events... > > My thought would be that if the battery has/is having issues, and the caps are cracked, it is prolly worth the $$'s you'll spend on saving yourself from getting suck, sans starting power, at some inopportune moment. My suggestion would be get a whole new battery and save a couple caps off the current one. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 19:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBH0jsO7030708; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:45:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBH0jrFa030698; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:45:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: cschelin@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: honda chopper Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:32:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 00:32:34.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAC2E1F0:01C2A563] Hey Carl.... the Honda Chopper website is an old favorite of mine. You'll have to keep us appraised of your progress. Sounds like a neat project. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 19:52:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBH0qrO7031186; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:52:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBH0qqoW031171; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:52:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: multi meter suggestion Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:36:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 00:36:58.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[6880CF60:01C2A564] Get the multi meter with the digital face and multi readout (no adjustment for milliamps/amps etc...) and a buzzer continuity feature... around 25 federal reserve notes at radio shack. aw _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 23:34:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBH4YCO7000441; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:34:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBH4Y70W000431; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:34:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021217043308.25168.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: Need help asap To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021216181752.0214e488@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My bad. I was had by reverseaddress.com's frames. The actual URL is www.infospace.com, then click on White Pages / Reverse Lookup, and scroll down to the address boxes. Regards, Larry --- Aki Damme wrote: > > Larry, > > I must be missing something here because that url > takes me to a page > that shows 6 different boxes to enter in a phone > number, no place to > put in an address. When I select > www.reverseaddress.com, > I get the white pages, which seems to work. > > cheers, > -aki > > > At 06:10 PM 12/16/2002, you wrote: > >www.reversephonedirectory.com does very nice > address > >lookups, with implied right truncation. Thus, > entering > >8 Wimp St in their query screen yields the names, > >addresses, and numbers of all phones on Wimp Street > >whose house number begins with an 8 (i.e., 8, 8?, > 8??, > >8???, 8????, etc.) > > > >-- Larry > > > > > > > >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > > HELP! I'm filling out info for a background > > > investigation and need > > > the names of > > > neighbors of places I no longer live. > > > > > > Anyone know what the URL is for an address look > up > > > that will also > > > give the names > > > of the occupants in the homes on that street? > > > > > > I rvaguely emember a (free) search engine that > did > > > that. I could > > > enter in my home address and > > > it would give all known owners/residents of all > > > adjacent homes as > > > well. > > > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 16 23:57:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBH4vIO7001011; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:57:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBH4vHSj001001; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:57:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a601c2a590$c1df8480$16d69dac@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Aaron" , References: <20021216203540.56048.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Little yellow cap things? Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:54:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX > 2) (more importantly) I'm in DC proper. Anywhere I > can get replacement caps without having to drive to > Clinton Cycles, Powerslime, etc.? I would check Powell Automotive at 14th and Q NW (or thereabouts... right across from where the Trak Auto used to be) before trekking to the 'burbs. They have a pretty well stocked store, even though it is a car parts store. I can get spark plugs and batteries for my bikes there, plus most tools, plus they are nice guys. They definitely do not carry a wide variety of motorcycle parts, and if you tell them on the phone that the part is for a motorcycle they will say they don't have it. But if you describe it without mentioning motorcycle, or bring it to the shop (or for plugs call with the part number) you will frequently find what you are looking for there. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 06:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHB5jO7003491; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:05:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHB5ion003481; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:05:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: honda chopper Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:05:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02121706054107.09502@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 16 December 2002 19:32, Adam Wah wrote: > Hey Carl.... the Honda Chopper website is an old favorite of mine. I don't know what kind of memories going to the Honda Chopper website stirred up, but it definately started something. > You'll > have to keep us appraised of your progress. Sounds like a neat project. > I'll update the site each day I do some work on it. If something major occurs (like the frame comes in or I get the engine running), I'll update this list. I don't want to double post (my site and this list) especially when there may be folks on this list who aren't interested. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 07:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHCp8O7004362; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:51:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHCp7EN004352; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:51:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DFF1D30.5020509@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:48:48 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021126 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel H. Brown" , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Little yellow cap things? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel H. Brown wrote: >My suggestion would be get a whole new battery and save a couple caps off >the current one. > I agree, with one more suggestion. Look into a sealed battery. Costs a bit more, but it will last a little longer, hold charge better and won't have the 'little caps'. I don't remember, are you disconnecting the battery during these cold days? Tom De '98 VTR > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 08:09:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHD9KO7004877; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:09:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHD9J1H004867; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:09:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:09:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170809.AA93258306@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Skip Smith CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: bus driver attacks - Metro responds X-Mailer: You never know about making complaints like this. However, Metro would be raging idiots if they didn't at least advise the driver of the complaint, ask for his side of the story, and note it in his record. Metro can't afford to keep drivers like that. And drivers like that should know they are noticed and reported. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Skip Smith Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:54:28 -0500 > > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: CSVC >> Reply-To: CSVC >> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:19:55 -0800 >> >> Dear Mr. Norloff, >> "blah, blah, blah, I'm blowing you off, have a nice day" > >:~) > > >hopefully that isn't the case, though > >Skip > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 08:27:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHDR0O7005404; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:27:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHDQx89005396; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:26:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212171326.QAC57389@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:27:01 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: bus driver attacks - Metro responds To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >You never know about making complaints like this. However, Metro would be raging idiots if they didn't at least advise the driver of the complaint, ask for his side of the story, and note it in his record. [Dave] Hate to say this, but, he probably got an "addaboy" with a 'don't get caught next time'... > >Metro can't afford to keep drivers like that. [Dave] Driving around here almost requires a certian aggressiveness. From what you described, it sounded like he saw an opening that he could muscle his way into, just like he was taught. I've seen this behavior from most bus drivers around here - except school bus drivers. Believe it or not, they actually equip buses around here with turn signals ! ! ! JUST the other day, I saw one ! first time in years. > >And drivers like that should know they are noticed and reported. > [Dave] among other things. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 09:30:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHEUXO7006196; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:30:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHEUWZq006186; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:30:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021217143024.88876.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:30:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: bus driver attacks - Metro responds To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200212171326.QAC57389@vmms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > > > >You never know about making complaints like this. > However, > Metro would be raging idiots if they didn't at least > advise > the driver of the complaint, ask for his side of the > story, > and note it in his record. > > [Dave] Hate to say this, but, he probably got an > "addaboy" > with a 'don't get caught next time'... i don't know. there are now 300 people who know that chris made a complaint on december [], 2002 as to the driving of bus no. []. should this same bus (or the driver who was driving it) get into an accident in the near future, possibly killing someone, how would metro look (in terms of meeting a standard of care) in subsequent proceedings? now, whether chris is full of shit, hypersensitive, or not.... would be up to the judge/jury. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 10:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHFdKO7007008; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:39:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHFdJxn006998; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:39:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016d01c2a5e2$81be75d0$6401a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce N" To: References: <20021217143024.88876.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: bus driver attacks - Metro responds Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:39:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In the reply from Metro, did I read correctly that the time of the incident was changed from PM to AM? If so, wouldn't this screw up which driver was reprimanded? Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 11:05:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHG5eO7007567; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:05:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHG5e10007559; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:05:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:05:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171105.AA23134810@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: bus driver attacks - Metro responds X-Mailer: In the web-entered time it came out as a.m., in my narrative it was correctly listed at p.m. Not sure if if was my typo or what. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bruce N" Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:39:05 -0500 >In the reply from Metro, did I read correctly that the time of the incident >was changed from PM to AM? If so, wouldn't this screw up which driver was >reprimanded? > >Bruce > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 11:10:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHGABO7008030; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:10:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHGAA1j008025; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:10:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:10:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171110.AA95748586@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: bus driver attacks - Metro responds X-Mailer: >[Dave] Hate to say this, but, he probably got an "addaboy" >with a 'don't get caught next time'... Maybe so! But he did get caught, kinda. Hard to hide a bus. Glad they've got their ID numbers on the back. >[Dave] Driving around here almost requires a certian >aggressiveness. From what you described, it sounded like he >saw an opening that he could muscle his way into, just like >he was taught. Oh yeah. If this is the worst thing that ever happens to me when riding then that's okay with me. And I do have sympathy for bus drivers - it's amazing that they can navigate those big buses in traffic, with drivers cutting them off so much. I'd have a bit more empathy for this driver if he/she hadn't used the shoulder to pass vehicles, and then slow down and muscle his way in. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 15:27:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHKRjO7009900; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:27:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBHKRikZ009890; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:27:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001901c2a609$7595c020$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: cheap commuter bike Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:18:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thanks all for the advice. About the steering issue, it just needed air... When I checked the pressure it only had 15psi, my brain still functions by kg/cm3 but I figured that was low. The handling improved to normal level by adding air with K-mart electric pump. I tried to check the air filter & carbs but it was really, really hard to get to... Took the fairings off, mirrors, blinker and the tank then figured out that battery's housing needs to be removed and to do that the rear fairings need to be removed and so on. What a pain! bikes used to be simple... Oh, and found that the little yellow cap thing on the battery was broken off! but looks like it didn't melt anything around it. Anyway, air filter looked ok but the engine won't start anymore, Do'h! Its probably just the spark plugs but I didn't have any spares. While trying to start, it back fired few times and my neighbors thought it was a gun shot. On top of all this, I broke the fuel on/off/res switch and it now leaks gas. Before making anything worse, I gave up and took it to the shop. Good thing I didn't become a mechanic... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 17 22:07:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBI370O7016139; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:07:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBI36xqB016129; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:06:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gel battery Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:05:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2002 03:05:58.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[637E2920:01C2A642] I highly recommend a gel battery, no fuss no muss and if your bike tips over.... no spillage aw _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 10:28:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIFS4O7020536; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:28:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIFS2kg020526; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:28:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001301c2a6a8$c051fb70$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: cage parked on bike spot Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:18:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Near where I work in DC there's a parking spot for bikes without the meter (WooHoo!). But sometimes a stupid cage driver would park on that spot and gets really annoying. I thought of leaving a note but couldn't really think of good phrase in somewhat polite but little hostile way. Any good ideas? "Parking for two wheeled vehicles only. Would you like me to remove 2 out of your 4 wheels?" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 10:34:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIFYJO7021014; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:34:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIFYIE7021005; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:34:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212181532.QAG02481@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:33:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: cage parked on bike spot To: Shigeru Honda Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Near where I work in DC there's a parking spot for bikes without the meter >(WooHoo!). But sometimes a stupid cage driver would park on that spot and >gets really annoying. [Dave] A perfect opportunity to let one of the few efficient arms of DC Government do it's job ! call the meter maids ! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 10:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIFauO7021456; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:36:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIFau9N021448; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:36:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021218103344.021be088@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:36:50 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: cage parked on bike spot / balaclava In-Reply-To: <001301c2a6a8$c051fb70$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Is it the same car every time? If not - my guess would be that they don't notice and/or don't care, and you probably won't see them there again. Next time call parking services and have them towed. About time the meter maids did something useful. I wear a thin balaclava. Nothing thicker can fit in my helmet, but my face freezes pretty solid during the commute. What is everyone else using to stifle the cold? It didn't bother me when my commute was 20 minutes from Centreville, but 45 from Manassas ... brrrr .... Clifton is about 5 degrees colder. At 10:18 AM 12/18/2002, Shigeru Honda wrote: >Near where I work in DC there's a parking spot for bikes without the meter >(WooHoo!). But sometimes a stupid cage driver would park on that spot and >gets really annoying. I thought of leaving a note but couldn't really think >of good phrase in somewhat polite but little hostile way. Any good ideas? > >"Parking for two wheeled vehicles only. Would you like me to remove 2 out of >your 4 wheels?" ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 10:38:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIFc8O7021904; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:38:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIFc7IP021895; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:38:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: cage parked on bike spot Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:38:00 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8E0A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: cage parked on bike spot Thread-Index: AcKmqiwotP1q+zD4THu5L6SgprQ0VQAABizQ From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: You should point this out to parking enforcement instead. Who knows, after leaving this kind of a note, you might just find your bike on it's side. A similar thing happened to me recently at my apt complex. I park all the way at the front of the spot, sideways, so that I can chain my bike to a metal pole. (plus if the bike tips over, it will fall on the grass) I didn't have any problems until this Sunday, when someone decided to use it as a parking spot. Thankfully, the parking spot adjacent to mine was empty, so I was able to back out of there. But I wouldn've been pissed if I couldn't get out. Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:19 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cage parked on bike spot > > > Near where I work in DC there's a parking spot for bikes > without the meter > (WooHoo!). But sometimes a stupid cage driver would park on > that spot and > gets really annoying. I thought of leaving a note but > couldn't really think > of good phrase in somewhat polite but little hostile way. Any > good ideas? > > "Parking for two wheeled vehicles only. Would you like me to > remove 2 out of > your 4 wheels?" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 11:02:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIG2NO7024119; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:02:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIG2Nci024112; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:02:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:02:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181102.AA60490308@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: balaclava X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gBIG2MO7024099 I wear a fleece neckwarmer that goes below my nose, and up over my ears. I can just get my helmet on okay (but not if that thickness was over all of my head). I like the Aerostich Shellaclava (thin balaclava on your head, thick neckwarmer below that) but their "one size fits all" is pretty tight on me. "Using two innovative fabrics to good advantage, the Shellaclava is an excellent cold-weather riding accessory. The neckwarmer section is constructed of warm, soft Turtlefur)B® while the hood uses Dryline® fabric to move moisture away from your head. Thin enough to fit under a helmet, easily stowable, and very comfortable, you’ll find the Shellaclava to be an essential part of your cold-weather kit. One size fits all. Black. CAT. NO. 1050 $ 15.00 " Perhaps you could wear a piece of baklava? :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:36:50 -0500 >Is it the same car every time? If not - my guess would be that they don't >notice and/or don't care, and you probably won't see them there >again. Next time call parking services and have them towed. About time >the meter maids did something useful. > >I wear a thin balaclava. Nothing thicker can fit in my helmet, but my face >freezes pretty solid during the commute. What is everyone else using to >stifle the cold? It didn't bother me when my commute was 20 minutes from >Centreville, but 45 from Manassas ... brrrr .... Clifton is about 5 degrees >colder. > >At 10:18 AM 12/18/2002, Shigeru Honda wrote: >>Near where I work in DC there's a parking spot for bikes without the meter >>(WooHoo!). But sometimes a stupid cage driver would park on that spot and >>gets really annoying. I thought of leaving a note but couldn't really think >>of good phrase in somewhat polite but little hostile way. Any good ideas? >> >>"Parking for two wheeled vehicles only. Would you like me to remove 2 out of >>your 4 wheels?" > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 11:07:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIG7KO7024179; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:07:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIG7KHR024173; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:07:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a501c2a6af$3afc5c20$787d5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Little yellow cap things? Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:05:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Aaron -- It is, indeed, the small stuff. Almost exactly the same thing happened to me a few months ago. Points -- o Lyct's were not that easy to come by in DC. Yuasa will send some (couple of weeks). Suggest major mc dealer and call them first (but If lyct need becomes critical, email me offlist). o Strongly consider battery replacement. Mine went final plates up within a few weeks (~3 yrs old). o Plug the hole(s) with something (tinfoil) to prevent acid leak. o "Overtightening" was the only cause mentioned to me but I, too, feel there may be others (bottom of seat interference?) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Lackacap disease bothersome but not crippling. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Since my Yuasa battery was dead after the cold and a week-and-a-half of either no activity or *very* short trips, I pulled off the seat to put it on the BatteryTender. Lo and behold, two of the little yellow caps covering the electrolyte reservoir are broken. The method of failure is curious -- it looks like someone has twisted them so hard that the tops popped right off, leaving the screw shaft part in the battery. This has happened several times . . . the first couple of times time, I blamed the service folks for putting the caps on too tight. This time, though, I put them on, and certainly didn't overtighten. 1) Why does this happen? It appears that they are tightening themselves over time (perhaps when electrolyte is evaporating, it creates a vaccuum?) BTW, the acid overflow vent hose is hooked up and not blocked. 2) (more importantly) I'm in DC proper. Anywhere I can get replacement caps without having to drive to Clinton Cycles, Powerslime, etc.? Please cc:me off list as I am digested (and digesting . . . mmmm . . . donuts). Thanks, Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 11:10:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIGAkO7024631; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:10:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIGAk1G024622; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:10:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008401c2a6b0$4fdaf600$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , "dc-cycles list" References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8E0A@rnc1.rnchq.org> Subject: Re: cage parked on bike spot Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:12:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Call parking enforcement via the Mayor's Call Center 202-727-1000. I get good response from them, usually. I give 'em a call when suburban freeloaders get too aggressive and consume all the parking spots on our block or when some moron parks in front of the fire hydrant, or too close to the corner in the no parking zone, thereby limiting visibility at the corner. There's nothing like a few tickets to free up the spots filled with non-resident freeloaders. I politely told one particularly brazen gal, who was a repeat offender (I'd seen her park on our bock several days in a row) that this block is Ward 6 resident-only parking and she'd better come back and move her car within two hours. She had VA plates and a Library of Congress employee badge, so I knew she was trying to score free parking for the day. She scowled; I dialed. Three hours later she had a "present" from parking enforcement. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" > > You should point this out to parking enforcement instead. Who knows, after leaving this kind of a note, you might just find your bike on it's side. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 11:27:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIGRkO7026388; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:27:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIGRjO1026378; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:27:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: balaclava Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:27:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021218103344.021be088@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021218103344.021be088@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212181127400D.09502@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 18 December 2002 10:36, Troutman wrote: > I wear a thin balaclava. Nothing thicker can fit in my helmet, but my face > freezes pretty solid during the commute. What is everyone else using to > stifle the cold? It didn't bother me when my commute was 20 minutes from > Centreville, but 45 from Manassas ... brrrr .... Clifton is about 5 degrees > colder. I wear a 4' by about 10" acrylic scarf. It's not real thick but it seems fairly dense. I wrap it from the middle just at chin level. I have a balaclava but it's so thick it fogs up the inside of my face shield. I've only worn it a couple of times and then gone back to my scarf. Due to the frigging updraft (flips up the face shield), I removed the windshield this morning. I found out that there are vents at chin level in the helmet that are open. The breeze blowing in through those damn near froze my right cheek (watch it). I've taped up the openings but on the positive side, I don't get near the buffeting, the face shield doesn't flip up, it actually seems warmer and it's quieter. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 11:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIGrTO7027417; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:53:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIGrTYA027407; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:53:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212181648.QAH04156@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:48:08 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: cage parked on bike spot To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Parking Czar Paul suggested: >Call parking enforcement via the Mayor's Call Center 202-727- 1000. ...I give 'em a call when suburban >freeloaders get too aggressive and consume all the parking spots on our >block or when some moron parks in front of the fire hydrant, or too close to >the corner in the no parking zone, thereby limiting visibility at the >corner. > >There's nothing like a few tickets to free up the spots filled with >non-resident freeloaders. [Dave] Amen Brother Paul! I've had good luck using tow trucks back in the town house days... OTOH, I've *heard* 2nd hand that for a paltry sum, you can convince a few tow truck drivers to leave a derelict car pretty much anywhere... Such as, middle of the street, strategically blocking a specific vehicle, etc... so one needs to be careful to not get too carried away. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 12:19:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIHJcO7028030; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:19:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIHJcRi028020; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:19:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:19:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Little yellow cap things? To: mobacc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <00a501c2a6af$3afc5c20$787d5c0c@micron> In-Reply-To: <00a501c2a6af$3afc5c20$787d5c0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit mobacc@XXXXXX writes: >Aaron -- > > It is, indeed, the small stuff. Almost exactly the same thing >happened >to me a few months ago. Points -- > > o Lyct's were not that easy to come by in DC. Yuasa will send some >(couple of weeks). Suggest major mc dealer and call them first (but If >lyct >need becomes critical, email me offlist). They're quite easy to come by: I have plenty of them to give to folks who need them. I've posted this before. Mt. Pleasant, DC > > > o Strongly consider battery replacement. Mine went final plates up >within a few weeks (~3 yrs old). Depends. Why did the cap break? > > o Plug the hole(s) with something (tinfoil) to prevent acid leak. Suggest you use something that doesn't dissolve in acid. > > o "Overtightening" was the only cause mentioned to me but I, too, >feel >there may be others (bottom of seat interference?) These caps also deteriorate over time. I don't know if it's heat/cold, acid, vibration, ozone, or what. They do not, however, get tighter by themselves (cells are not sealed, even in "sealed" batteries). --garcia "People believe in the merits of selective breeding for every species but their own." > > >Bill S. / DC >'99 VN750 > Lackacap disease bothersome but not crippling. >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) >From: Aaron > ... >tightening themselves over time (perhaps when >electrolyte is evaporating, it creates a vaccuum?) >BTW, the acid overflow vent hose is hooked up and not >blocked. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 12:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIHXWO7028953; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:33:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIHXVSJ028943; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:33:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E00B2A8.B06A78D3@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:38:48 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: cage parked on bike spot References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8E0A@rnc1.rnchq.org> <008401c2a6b0$4fdaf600$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > Call parking enforcement via the Mayor's Call Center 202-727-1000. I get > good response from them, usually. I give 'em a call when suburban > freeloaders get too aggressive and consume all the parking spots on our > block or when some moron parks in front of the fire hydrant, or too close to > the corner in the no parking zone, thereby limiting visibility at the > corner. > > There's nothing like a few tickets to free up the spots filled with > non-resident freeloaders. I politely told one particularly brazen gal, who > was a repeat offender (I'd seen her park on our bock several days in a row) > that this block is Ward 6 resident-only parking and she'd better come back > and move her car within two hours. She had VA plates and a Library of > Congress employee badge, so I knew she was trying to score free parking for > the day. She scowled; I dialed. Three hours later she had a "present" > from parking enforcement. heh heh. One of the daughters of a woman who works with Milady got towed and couldn't retrieve the car until 2PM the following day and the bill was around $100 cash. The woman were screeching over that, didn't understand why the car got towed since it was the *only* car parked there so it wasn't overcrowded. Sez me, perhaps the reason it was the only parked car is because there was a BIG HONKING SIGN that said NO PARKING - VIOLATORS WILL BE TOWED! Sheesh, must we explain everything? (ducking) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 13:14:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIIEfO7030486; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:14:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIIEdsg030475; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:14:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:10:39 -0500 From: Jay Goddard Subject: Joe Rocket Business Advice To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002101c2a6c0$c5bd89e0$0b913044@fred> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Hey Folks, Sorry I have been so quit, I have been busy :-). I have some good news (I think), I am now a Joe Rocket dealer! I know a bunch of you own and like Joe Rocket gear so I thought I would ask for your help. What Joe Rocket stuff should I stock, what do you like the most? Don't worry about sizes, I am interested in what models and colors everybody likes, dislikes and thinks I should sell. Thank you in advance for you help, information and wise-ass comments. Please keep checking us out, we are growing a lot and adding new things all the time. If you feel this is obtrusive I am sorry. -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard 1990 RC30, 1994 KDX200 1996 ZX-11, 1992 FZR600 (Lisa's) 1995 VFR750F (Lisa's) 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 13:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIILhO7031444; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:21:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIILhkZ031434; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:21:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c001c2a6c2$9b707560$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8E0A@rnc1.rnchq.org> <008401c2a6b0$4fdaf600$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3E00B2A8.B06A78D3@patriot.net> Subject: Hydrants, was Re: cage parked on bike spot Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:23:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Earlier I snarled about dopes who park in front of the hydrants on our block. It's not just a matter of aesthetics. Someone's life may be at stake as the FD takes extra time finding the hydrant or working around a vehicle. Those hoses can't just snake around an inconsiderately parked car. To wit: http://www.attrition.org/gallery/priceless/tn/priceless-bmw.jpg.html Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Call parking enforcement via the Mayor's Call Center 202-727-1000. I get > > good response from them, usually. I give 'em a call when some moron parks in front of the fire hydrant,.. > > heh heh. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 14:59:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBIJx1O7000859; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:59:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBIJwxWE000850; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:58:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:57:15 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Jay@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Business Advice MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2B51C3AD.2E579BCA.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We always think you're obtrusive Jay but, it hasn't stopped you yet. ;-) Hmmmm......Joe Rocket stuff. Well, the only thing I own from them is a set of the Phoenix pants and jacket. All black and I like them a lot. Couldn't tell you what you should stock. Maybe gloves and boots. (They make boots, right?) Anyway, good luck. And yes, I have noticed all the changes going on on your site. One of these days your closet may look like mine. I'd sell off some of my stuff but, I still use it all. :-D Scooter In a message dated 12/18/2002 1:10:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jay@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Hey Folks, > > Sorry I have been so quit, I have been busy :-). I have some good news (I > think), I am now a Joe Rocket dealer! I know a bunch of you own and like > Joe Rocket gear so I thought I would ask for your help. What Joe Rocket > stuff should I stock, what do you like the most? Don't worry about sizes, I > am interested in what models and colors everybody likes, dislikes and thinks > I should sell. Thank you in advance for you help, information and wise-ass > comments. Please keep checking us out, we are growing a > lot and adding new > things all the time. > > If you feel this is obtrusive I am sorry. > -- > Thanks!! > Jay Goddard > 1990 RC30, 1994 KDX200 > 1996 ZX-11, 1992 FZR600 (Lisa's) > 1995 VFR750F (Lisa's) > 301-340-0886 > Jay@XXXXXX > www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 19:23:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJ0NhO7005341; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:23:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJ0Ng6Y005331; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:23:39 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Aftermarket Saddles. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 19:45:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJ0jlO7005917; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:45:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJ0jli6005907; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:45:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E011801.6B93ECE2@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:51:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. > > Fish. I have a Corbin. The padding is hard compared to the H-D original, but it's very comfy. Milage before butt-burn on the H-D = 50. The Corbin goes the distance with no butt-burn. Veddy expensive. The price did make my butt hurt! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 21:20:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJ2KBO7007399; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:20:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJ2KAUI007389; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:20:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:19:57 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 The Dec. Motorcycle Consumer News has an article: "Saddle Secrets" which discusses what makes a saddle comfortable. A worthwhile read for anyone considering a new saddle. On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 18 23:08:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJ48YO7008440; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:08:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJ48VSf008425; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:08:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E01466D.9D147AB9@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:09:18 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Goddard , DCCycles Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Business Advice References: <002101c2a6c0$c5bd89e0$0b913044@fred> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out004.verizon.net from [141.157.126.36] at Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:08:21 -0600 Jay, FYI, I'll be looking into the Phoenix line for this summer soon in Blue in size XXX for by micro beer, not so micro, belly. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org Jay Goddard wrote: > Hey Folks, > > Sorry I have been so quit, I have been busy :-). I have some good news (I > think), I am now a Joe Rocket dealer! I know a bunch of you own and like > Joe Rocket gear so I thought I would ask for your help. What Joe Rocket > stuff should I stock, what do you like the most? Don't worry about sizes, I > am interested in what models and colors everybody likes, dislikes and thinks > I should sell. Thank you in advance for you help, information and wise-ass > comments. Please keep checking us out, we are growing a lot and adding new > things all the time. > > If you feel this is obtrusive I am sorry. > -- > Thanks!! > Jay Goddard > 1990 RC30, 1994 KDX200 > 1996 ZX-11, 1992 FZR600 (Lisa's) > 1995 VFR750F (Lisa's) > 301-340-0886 > Jay@XXXXXX > www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 06:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJBErO7011208; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:14:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJBEqOY011198; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:14:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:14:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212190614500Q.09502@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have the Corbin with a backrest. As you might remember, the seat was very painful to get from Corbin. It took more than twice as long to get me the seat I originally ordered. First it was a small seat in the wrong color, next it was the wrong seat because the sales guy (very helpful though) mixed up my order with another annoyed customer. I had to make another call to have them pick up the second bad seat. The backrest came in right on time and in the right color. Must be the summer help. The problem is that seat horror stories are easy to find. I've heard about the same stories between Mustang and Corbin. It just so happens that I'd heard several bad stories about Mustang when it was time to order my seat and I went with Corbin. Carl On Wednesday 18 December 2002 19:23, Fish Flowers wrote: > Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. > > Fish. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 07:34:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJCYrO7012014; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:34:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJCYrLl012004; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:34:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E01BC57.8030206@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:32:23 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021126 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, When this question hits the SuperHawk list I'm on, most of the responses are to avoid Corbin at all costs. Sargent seems to the favorite on that list. Good quality, looks good, but most the outstanding mention about Sargent is their customer service. From that list just about everybody hates Corbin. Most have used Corbin's in the past, but customer service and quality have gone down hill (According to most on the list). http://www.sargentcycle.com/ Tom de '98 VTR Fish Flowers wrote: >Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. > >Fish. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 07:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJCcuO7012054; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:38:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJCcu7X012048; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:38:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:39:09 -0500 From: "Docs@Shore" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: "Docs@Shore" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <131146251562.20021219073909@shore.net> To: "William J. Huson" CC: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re[2]: Aftermarket Saddles. In-Reply-To: <3E011801.6B93ECE2@patriot.net> References: <3E011801.6B93ECE2@XXXXXX> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 7:51:13 PM, you wrote: WJH> Veddy expensive. The price did make my butt hurt! WJH> Bill I've had a Mustang Wide Nostalgia on the FXR for more than five years now, and it just keeps getting better and better. The price didn't cause me any pain, either - quite a bit less expensive than the Corbin. Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 07:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJCoaO7013020; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:50:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJCoaMW013010; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:50:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021219074248.02895ad0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:50:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re[2]: Aftermarket Saddles. In-Reply-To: <131146251562.20021219073909@shore.net> References: <3E011801.6B93ECE2@patriot.net> <3E011801.6B93ECE2@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:39 AM 12/19/2002, you wrote: >Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 7:51:13 PM, you wrote: > >WJH> Veddy expensive. The price did make my butt hurt! > >WJH> Bill > >I've had a Mustang Wide Nostalgia on the FXR for more than five >years >now, and it just keeps getting better and better. The price didn't >cause me any pain, either - quite a bit less expensive than the >Corbin. I like the Mustangs...I've owned close to a dozen of their seats in the past 15-20 years. Through a fantastically good deal on a Corbin Gunfighter and Lady, I opted to purchase it. (I paid $176 bux for a new one that normally runs $400). The seat is fine, looks good and is comfortable however, it is *much* harder than a Mustang. As for a comfort between the two, I'd have to say that the Corbin, although very comfortable, isn't nearly as comfortable as a Mustang. Since I bought the seat through a private seller, I didn't have to deal with Corbin directly so I have no direct experience with them. Mustangs customer service is one of the best in the industry IMHO. If I could of purchased a Mustang for the same price I paid for the Corbin, I would of definitely gone with a Mustang...without question. But as price and comfort goes, I'm happy with the Corbin but I'd *never* pay full price for one. BTW, I know someone who has a used, but like new Corbin Gunfighter and Lady seat he's selling that will fit 96 and later Wide Glides for anyone that's interested, ping me off-line. No, it's not mine, this guy sold his bike and has the seat available. I can also email a picture of my bike so you get an idea of what the Gunfighter and Lady looks like on a late model FXDWG. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 08:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJDgBO7013734; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:42:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJDgBfD013724; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:42:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:42:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Aftermarket Saddles. From: Stephen Miller To: dc-cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021219074248.02895ad0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a Sargent for my SV650. Nothing but praise, and it was a lot easier to acquire than a Corbin. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 09:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJE02O7014293; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:00:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJE02rc014283; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:00:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E01D220.36C337C0@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:05:21 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Miller CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen Miller wrote: > I have a Sargent for my SV650. Nothing but praise, and it was a lot easier > to acquire than a Corbin. I aquired my Corbin with ease. R&R Cycles in Springfield VA checked their distributors, found one on the shelf, and had it in my paws in a few days, at a good customer discount. On the downside, although the seat was made for my bike it didn't quite fit. I had to *tweak* the stock FLHS grab rails. Also, the seat is a bit wider. No problem for me, but those who are inseam challanged should try thier butts on a seat mounted on their style bike before plunking down the big bucks. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 09:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJEVGO7014900; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:31:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJEVFs4014893; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:31:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219143113.370.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:31:13 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. To: "William J. Huson" , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3E011801.6B93ECE2@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been thinking of getting a new seat as well, mostly because my tailbone starts to ache after 70 miles or so. Will a better seat cure this? (I've got a Suzuki Marauder (cruiser), and have the seat that came w/ it.) So far the farthest ride I've done was about 360 miles, and that was a literal pain in the ass, which forced me to take more breaks than I do in my cage. I'm going on a fairly long trip this Feb./Mar. (to New Orleans for Mardi Gras, then to Daytona Beach for bike week, then back to DC), and I'd like to stop less frequently than I did on the 360 mile trip. jib --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. > > > > Fish. > > I have a Corbin. The padding is hard compared to > the H-D original, but > it's very comfy. Milage before butt-burn on the H-D > = 50. The Corbin > goes the distance with no butt-burn. > > Veddy expensive. The price did make my butt hurt! > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 09:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJEdCO7015470; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:39:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJEdCLq015463; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:39:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021219093633.028a9fe8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:39:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. In-Reply-To: <20021219143113.370.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3E011801.6B93ECE2@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:31 AM 12/19/2002, you wrote: >I've been thinking of getting a new seat as well, >mostly because my tailbone starts to ache after 70 >miles or so. Will a better seat cure this? (I've got >a Suzuki Marauder (cruiser), and have the seat that >came w/ it.) So far the farthest ride I've done was >about 360 miles, and that was a literal pain in the >ass, which forced me to take more breaks than I do in >my cage. I'm going on a fairly long trip this >Feb./Mar. (to New Orleans for Mardi Gras, then to >Daytona Beach for bike week, then back to DC), and I'd >like to stop less frequently than I did on the 360 >mile trip. jib I've found, that generally, motorcycle OEM seats are more for looks than comfort. There's always exceptions to the rule but just about any popular after market seat will be of better quality and significantly higher comfort than a stock seat. If you're aching about 70 miles, it definitely sounds like it's the stock seat. That's a common complaint. Check out Sergeant or Mustang for a seat that will match your bike. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 10:04:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJF41O7016246; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:04:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJF40l3016236; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:04:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219150358.46887.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: Little yellow cap things To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mobacc@XXXXXX, garicao@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200212190000.gBJ001ij002746@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks to Garcia's generosity, I've solved my immediate lyct problem. I've also come up with a theory as to why the lycts appear to tighten up and break. As Garcia states, it's improbably that the lycts are actually being screwed into the battery tighter during the course of normal operation. However, I noticed that each lyct has an o-ring between the screw shaft and head portions of the body. I also noticed that, while charging the battery on my kitchen counter, when the o-rings came in contact with the electrolyte, they absorbed it and swelled. My theory -- when you screw the things in tightly, and the o-ring subsequently gets wet and swells, the force is enough to break off the top of the lyct. Solution -- either tighten when the o-rings are already swelled, or, if the o-rings are dry, don't "tighten" the lycts, just finger-tighten until you feel them seat. Aaron ==old message=============================== Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:19:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Little yellow cap things? To: mobacc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" mobacc@XXXXXX writes: >Aaron -- > > It is, indeed, the small stuff. Almost exactly the same thing >happened >to me a few months ago. Points -- > > o Lyct's were not that easy to come by in DC. Yuasa will send some >(couple of weeks). Suggest major mc dealer and call them first (but If >lyct >need becomes critical, email me offlist). They're quite easy to come by: I have plenty of them to give to folks who need them. I've posted this before. Mt. Pleasant, DC > > > o Strongly consider battery replacement. Mine went final plates up >within a few weeks (~3 yrs old). Depends. Why did the cap break? > > o Plug the hole(s) with something (tinfoil) to prevent acid leak. Suggest you use something that doesn't dissolve in acid. > > o "Overtightening" was the only cause mentioned to me but I, too, >feel >there may be others (bottom of seat interference?) These caps also deteriorate over time. I don't know if it's heat/cold, acid, vibration, ozone, or what. They do not, however, get tighter by themselves (cells are not sealed, even in "sealed" batteries). --garcia "People believe in the merits of selective breeding for every species but their own." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 10:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJFPIO7017253; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:25:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJFPI4t017243; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:25:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219152516.27459.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:25:16 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. To: Peter Hartzler , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone know where I can get a copy of MCN (w/o subscribing)? I haven't seen it at Borders/Barnes & Noble. Would Coleman in Falls Church have it? That's the closest dealer to me. thx jib --- Peter Hartzler wrote: > The Dec. Motorcycle Consumer News has an article: > "Saddle Secrets" which > discusses what makes a saddle comfortable. A > worthwhile read for anyone > considering a new saddle. > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. > > > > Fish. > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 10:31:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJFV9O7017310; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:31:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJFV8mL017300; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:31:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Little yellow cap things In-Reply-To: <20021219150358.46887.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Aaron wrote: > portions of the body. I also noticed that, while > charging the battery on my kitchen counter, when the I'm a firm believer in charging batteries outside, away from open flames, sparks, food, people, etc -- all of which can be found in the average kitchen!!! Charging lead acid batteries generates hydrogen (as in, the same stuff with which they filled the Hindenberg) which can and does bubble up out of the electrolyte (sulpheric acid!!!) and potentially out of the battery itself, when the caps are off. Course now, this is just me -- YMMV. If you like eat sulpheric acid splatters while sitting next to a lead and acid filled chemical bomb, in an atmosphere which could potentially explode, go for it. (Ya, Ya, I know, I'm exaggerating a bit, but... still) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 10:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJFoxO7018369; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:50:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJFowYo018359; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:50:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219155055.1613.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:50:55 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021219152516.27459.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have every back issue for the last 5 years. (or something close to that) the saddle article was pretty lousy IMO. More of a rant and wasted precious column inches in minutia instead of actually going out and testing actual products and proposing DIY solutions to various gripes. ===== "It doesn't matter what you say, it's how I feel." In 'niggardly' vs 'n.....': the result of modern "liberalism", state-run education, and the professional victim industry. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 10:55:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJFtPO7018420; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:55:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJFtPkS018413; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:55:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021219105426.028bcb38@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:55:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. In-Reply-To: <20021219155055.1613.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021219152516.27459.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:50 AM 12/19/2002, you wrote: >I have every back issue for the last 5 years. (or something close to >that) the saddle article was pretty lousy IMO. More of a rant and >wasted precious column inches in minutia instead of actually going >out >and testing actual products and proposing DIY solutions to various >gripes. I have to agree. Not like MCN actually. The foam with square lines drawn on them was the most technical photo they included. Didn't learn much. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 11:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJG5tO7019422; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:05:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJG5s2I019412; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:05:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219160546.7479.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:05:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021219152516.27459.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. > > Fish. To answer the orgininal question, I have a Russell, and it's made a big difference for me. I do some long distance riding, so I wanted the support that Russell provides. When you order the saddle, you mail in some photos of you sitting on the bike, and your full dimensions. It makes a difference. I'm very comfortable on the saddle for the long rides. The original Russell was bought out, and Day-long builds the same way. Mayer is the son of Russell. He took the same idea, only instead of using springs, he uses variable density foam to achieve the effect. Everythign I've heard indicates the results are just as good or better (depending on who's butt is giving the opinion). I had a Corbin on my old Nighthawk, and really liked it, but when I ordered one for my Concours, it wouldn't fit right. Corbin said they don't make saddles for my year of Concours, but that's bull, because they are all the same. I've had a saddle from '88, and the '98 saddle on the bike. Both are the same fit. If you need more detailed information, just let me know. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 11:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJGU3O7020488; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:30:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJGU2PE020481; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:30:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:29:46 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX, fish@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <051D7027.44073485.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree. I bought a Corbin AFTER my trip out to Cali. I was gonna buy one while there for the trip back but, they didn't have any on hand for my bike. :-( Slightly expensive but worth it in my opinion. I'm ready for the next trip. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 12/18/2002 7:51:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Russell? Corbin? Mayer? Discuss. > > > > Fish. > > I have a Corbin. The padding is hard compared to the H-D original, but > it's very comfy. Milage before butt-burn on the H-D = 50. > The Corbin > goes the distance with no butt-burn. > > Veddy expensive. The price did make my butt hurt! > > Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 12:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJH4tO7021218; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:04:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJH4sjG021210; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:04:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021219120447.06a30db8@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:04:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Virginia NMA Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Governor Mark R. Warner announced a series of legislative proposals that adversely affect motorist. These proposals include: ** Instituting a primary seat belt law. This means the police can pull you over solely because you are not wearing a seat belt. Their main argument is that this is for your own good and that it is costing you money in medical costs. First, the NMA supports the contention that individuals should retain the freedom and responsibility to make choices affecting their own safety and the safety of their families. Secondly, using seatbelt advocates own grossly exaggerated numbers, there would be a per-person saving of $26 per year. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't sell my freedom for twenty-six dollars. ** Create Transportation Safety Corridors with Enhanced Penalties. The legislation will impose double fines (with a minimum of $250) for traffic violations in specially designated areas of interstate and primary road corridors. Rather than enacting reasonable speed limits, the state wants use these areas as an added revenue enhancer. Please write to Governor Warner in opposition to these components of his proposal. Also, write to your legislators and ask them not to support the Governor's proposals. These are bad bills for motorists that won't increase safety, but will increase the revenue going to the state. Contact Information: Governor Mark R. Warner State Capitol, 3rd Floor Richmond, Virginia 23219 Phone: (804) 786-2211 Fax: (804) 371-6351 TTY/TDD (For the Hearing Impaired): (804) 371-8015 http://www.governor.state.va.us/Contact/email_form.html (email form) Senators http://legis.state.va.us/Senate/Senators.htm This page will allow you to find your specific Senator's contact information Delegates http://legis.state.va.us/House/Delegates.htm This page will allow you to find your specific Delegate's contact information ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Peace on Earth to men of good will. All others stand by." - broadcast from the USS Harry S. Truman 12-5-02 as the battle group left for the Persian Gulf. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 12:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJHv2O7022999; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:57:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJHv1Dw022989; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:57:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E0209B1.4C179611@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:02:25 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021219120447.06a30db8@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > Governor Mark R. Warner announced a series of legislative proposals that > adversely affect motorist. These proposals include: > > ** Instituting a primary seat belt law. This means the police can pull you > over solely because you are not wearing a seat belt. Their main argument is > that this is for your own good and that it is costing you money in medical > costs. First, the NMA supports the contention that individuals should > retain the freedom and responsibility to make choices affecting their own > safety and the safety of their families. Secondly, using seatbelt advocates > own grossly exaggerated numbers, there would be a per-person saving of $26 > per year. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't sell my freedom for > twenty-six dollars. Bill sez - what freedoms? Operating a motor vehicle is a privlage not an entitlement, and parameters may be set by the officiating agency. My beef witha primary seat belt law is that it wouldn't be enforced very well. Check out the number of loose children in cars even though we have a primary child seat law. > ** Create Transportation Safety Corridors with Enhanced Penalties. The > legislation will impose double fines (with a minimum of $250) for traffic > violations in specially designated areas of interstate and primary road > corridors. Rather than enacting reasonable speed limits, the state wants > use these areas as an added revenue enhancer. Bill sez - yeah, so what? One can't travel very far without running across "enhanced penelties" on the highway. Double fines and/or a $250 minimum fine for speeding through a construction zone. And reasonable limits? Considering the *average* skill of our drivers, speed limits are very reasonable. Check out the number of white-knucklers in the right lane doing a measily 45 or less on our interstates. Besides, I wear my seat belt in the cage and wear a helmet on the scoot, no skin off my butt so to speak. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 13:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJI9UO7023973; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:09:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJI9TXn023965; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:09:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E020A1C.6749DDC9@carlparker.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:04:12 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles Subject: Balaclava... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ride in dry sub freezing with a bala made for helmets. The helmet balaclavas are designed with a thicker fleece weight ears and below. The top material is thinner for the helmet but you get the wind blocking and insulation of the heavier material around the face and neck...also be sure to find one that only lets em see your beedy little eyes. You can order them from Dennis Kirk or from Sierra Trading Post online for a few bucks. You can also get some kind of skirt/apron that attaches to your helmet and closes the gap between your neck/chin/etc. and the helmet. Also reduces wind noise a great deal but I don't know how it would feel on the neck. Maybe I'll try one and let ya'll know. CP --------------------------- 82' Magna V45 - Mystery Ship 98' Bandit 1200S - --------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 13:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJI9hO7024012; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:09:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJI9hH7024003; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:09:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update In-Reply-To: <3E0209B1.4C179611@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > Troutman wrote: ... (seatbelt stuff deleted) > Besides, I wear my seat belt in the cage and wear a helmet on the scoot, no skin > off my butt so to speak. > > Bill > > I tend to agree with Bill -- this doesn't chap my ass too much, other than adding to a morass of laws which are already rather selectively enforced and which already appear to be aimed more at generating revenue than they are at upping safety. The proposed legislation also sounds like "campaigning while in office" to me -- the Governer has proposed stuff to make it look like he's doing good things, things that most people won't be too bothered by, but which look good on his record. If they really want to make things safer for everyone, they'll figure out how to keep traffic flowing and work on preventing the sorts of backups which encourage people to drive even more aggresively than they already to. Clearly, they should just outlaw cars, trucks, etc and make everyone ride motorcycles. :-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 13:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJIAZO7024050; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:10:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJIAY1I024044; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:10:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021219130240.02078a28@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:10:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update In-Reply-To: <3E0209B1.4C179611@patriot.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021219120447.06a30db8@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:02 PM 12/19/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Bill sez - what freedoms? Operating a motor vehicle is a privlage not an >entitlement, and parameters may be set by the officiating agency. My beef >witha >primary seat belt law is that it wouldn't be enforced very well. Check >out the >number of loose children in cars even though we have a primary child seat law. The freedom not to be stopped for something as inane as a seat belt law and no other reason. These arguments all tie rather closely to the helmet law arguments. Sure - I wear my seat belt 95% of the time. Do I want the gov't to tell me I have to? I don't need a baby sitter. I wear my helmet all the time, but I'd like the freedom of choice to go without. Otherwise, why not move to Canada and be done with it? > > ** Create Transportation Safety Corridors with Enhanced Penalties. >One can't travel very far without running across >"enhanced penelties" on the highway. Double fines and/or a $250 minimum fine >for speeding through a construction zone. And reasonable limits? Considering >the *average* skill of our drivers, speed limits are very >reasonable. Check out >the number of white-knucklers in the right lane doing a measily 45 or less on >our interstates. I can't say there is anything reasonable about a 55 limit on a straight stretch of 6 lane highway. What population are the white knuckles? 1/1000 or less? >Besides, I wear my seat belt in the cage and wear a helmet on the scoot, >no skin >off my butt so to speak. "It doesn't affect me yet, so I don't care". Will you care when motorcycle airbags are required for our own safety? Or full face helmets and head to toe leathers? Do you see the long road of personal freedom loss ahead? "It'll never come to that" Yep - it will. Radar cameras on every corner. Kill it now before it breeds. By the way - the original email was a copy and paste from an NMA bulletin directed to members. That wasn't my specific language, although I do agree with it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 13:28:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJIS9O7026797; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:28:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJIS8aO026789; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:28:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212191827.QAK11980@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:27:56 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Bill sez - what freedoms? Operating a motor vehicle is a privlage not an >entitlement, and parameters may be set by the officiating agency. My beef witha >primary seat belt law is that it wouldn't be enforced very well. [Dave] Almost every state that has enacted a "secondary seat belt law" has proclaimed (Police lobbying legislature or the legislature itself) "we'll never need primary enforcement" of this law. Every state that has enacted secondary enforcement, has come back within 5 years, and requested primary enforcement. I'll support it IF, and ONLY IF the penalty does NOT involve monetary penalty. Community service? No problem. D/L points & Money? I'll spend money & time to defeat it. > >> ** Create Transportation Safety Corridors with Enhanced Penalties. ... > >Bill sez - yeah, so what? One can't travel very far without running across >"enhanced penelties" on the highway. Double fines and/or a $250 minimum fine >for speeding through a construction zone. And reasonable limits? Considering >the *average* skill of our drivers, speed limits are very reasonable. Check out >the number of white-knucklers in the right lane doing a measily 45 or less on >our interstates. [Dave] You make a good point, Bill, our drivers are poorly trained... In and of itself, this is a frightening prospect, put in the mixing bowl, it's downright terrifying. The problem is that once construction signs go up, you have a construction zone for "enhanced revenue collection". I've found a lot of "construction Zones" in CT, NC & SC with nary a hint of EVER having seen construction, construction equipment or construction personnel in 5 years. But the signs stay. These "Revenue Enhancement Zones" are like Taxes - relatively easy to enact, impossible to revoke. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 13:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJIkVO7027890; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:46:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJIkVcv027882; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:46:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219184619.46862.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:46:19 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200212191827.QAK11980@vmms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I'll support it IF, and ONLY IF the penalty does NOT involve > monetary penalty. Community service? No problem. > > D/L points & Money? I'll spend money & time to defeat it. what's the point? if you're going to wear a belt you will. if you don't, then you won't. I thought speed-enforcement was stupid and pointless. seat-belts now? Aren't cars/trucks with bald tires, no brake pads, no rotors, dripping oil, grossly under-inflated tires, and engines smoking up a storm a far more important hazards? What's next? No high-octane gas? Driving without a helmet or not wearing a belt is stupid. No argument. But kindly Mr. State butt out!! ===== "It doesn't matter what you say, it's how I feel." In 'niggardly' vs 'n.....': the result of modern "liberalism", state-run education, and the professional victim industry. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 13:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJIqVO7027961; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:52:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJIqVW5027950; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:52:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa0iJ5H0WGTUCdVRyUYmKiEDW5lSaVwpjdLhYGbjvWjZYPIyi+ZCu8h8cFA1/TWpLE= From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Virginia NMA Update Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:52:27 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010DFA@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83077A52@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Chains rule! Use WD-40 to lube them and never clean them! I love guns! Dino oil rules, synthetic sucks, change every 3000 mi! I hate Helmet laws but wear one! Seatbelt laws, too! ...and, if you didn't serve in WWII, you aren't a real veteran! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 14:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJJ9HO7029836; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:09:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJJ9GXd029826; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:09:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219190913.18621.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:09:13 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E0209B1.4C179611@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Bill sez - what freedoms? Operating a motor vehicle > is a privlage not an > entitlement, and parameters may be set by the > officiating agency. What a charming attitude. I guess I will now treat the taxes that I pay to support road projects and DMV governance and State Police as a "privelege." If I tire of paying, I will simply refuse them this privelege. Hmm... How do you think they'd handle that? Probably about as well as I handle the concept that driving in this country is somehow a gift by the government and aren't we all just so lucky they let us use the roads WE PAID FOR. I don't care how many DMV pamphlets and high school driver's ed courses say that it's a privelege. It's not. It's a right and I will treat it that way as long as I'm paying taxes. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 14:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJJxtO7031010; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:59:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJJxsXm031003; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:59:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212191959.QAK28704@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:59:13 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris W dumped some tea bags into the Potomac and proclaimed: >I guess I will now treat the taxes that I pay to >support road projects and DMV governance and State >Police as a "privelege." If I tire of paying, I will >simply refuse them this privelege. Hmm... How do you >think they'd handle that? Probably about as well as I >handle the concept that driving in this country is >somehow a gift by the government and aren't we all >just so lucky they let us use the roads WE PAID FOR. [Dave] Isn't driving only a collective right, applying only to the state ? ;-) That means Only the police have the right to drive.... >I don't care how many DMV pamphlets and high school >driver's ed courses say that it's a privelege. It's >not. It's a right and I will treat it that way as long >as I'm paying taxes. [Dave] It's not the pamphlets you need to worry about, it's the state laws, and court decisions which by and large treat it as a privelege. You have a right to move about freely, subject to limitations. You do not have the right to do so by motor vehicle - that is a privelege. If driving were a right, it would be conferred upon all people in the US... (or at least the vast majority). would you have 3rd world refugees operating cars unlicensed here without even a hint of training? You could always get a horse. I hear equine transportation is very environmentally sound, of course then you couldn't legally use the interstates & you would be limited to roughly one horsepower... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 15:31:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJKVhO7032074; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:31:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJKVhR4032063; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:31:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219201101.59483.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:11:01 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: I don't care how many DMV pamphlets and high school driver's ed courses say that it's a privelege. It's not. It's a right and I will treat it that way as long as I'm paying taxes. Chris has a point. It *is* a sovereign/natural law right to use current transportation to move one's behind from place to place. Years ago it was the foot, later the horse. Now it's the iron horse. The only real activity the gov't can regulate is commercial. That said, I can clearly see the benefit of regulating (if loosely) the persons and the manner under which they operate these modern conveyances. Though I have to admit, I don't remember reading anything about "horse rider training or licensing" no matter how congested or muddy the city streets of Washington, Baltimore, or Boston became or for that matter cops sitting on street corners out to get the occassional lad galloping at full tilt down Main street oblivious to other traffic, or likewise the carriage careening down one street and down the next. I would wager that life in teh streets back then was way more hazardous to pedistrians and the 'other' users let alone the rider in question. So, why have we gone into draconian regulation despite the fact that auto's essentially never mix it up except with their own kind? Highways and major arteries *should* be free-for-all's. Slow people stay right, fast people on the left. Pass and manuver in traffic like you have 1/2 a brain. For all the do-goody, slow-everything down to 55 etc nonsense, I sure can't point to smoother traffic flow as a benefit. And definately not to any reduction in accidents, lethal or otherwise, nor any lack of sheer congestion. IMO there is a simple solution: cars should *not* be able to withstand serious collision damage. Maybe if they realize their very life was on the line (like we are on an MC) the morons would think twice about playing bumper cars. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 15:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJKYHO7032119; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:34:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJKYHgT032111; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:34:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:34:11 -0800 From: To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 The time dating on this post indicates that it was written during regular office hours. I have a good mind to report you to your new employer! %^) On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:09:13 -0800 (PST) Chris Weaver wrote: > > What a charming attitude. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 15:34:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJKYwO7032608; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:34:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJKYwfT032599; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:34:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:34:52 -0800 From: To: Jon Strang Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia NMA Update Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Two words: Pro-zac. On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:52:27 -0500 Jon Strang wrote: > Chains rule! > Use WD-40 to lube them and never clean them! > I love guns! > Dino oil rules, synthetic sucks, change every > 3000 mi! > I hate Helmet laws but wear one! > Seatbelt laws, too! > > ...and, if you didn't serve in WWII, you aren't > a real veteran! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 15:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJKdlO7001537; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:39:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJKdlm7001525; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:39:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219203650.70291.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:36:50 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200212191959.QAK28704@vmms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't care what the government calls it. In my OPINION, the absence and prevention of taxation without freedom of use is an inalienable right, just as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were and are still today. Just because one has to qualify and register with the government to exercise this right does not make it a privelege. Compare it to voting rights. If you're an american citizen 18 years of age or older, you have the right to register and then vote unless you are convicted of a felony or are considered otherwise unfit. I view driving rights the same way - you have the right to register and drive until you do something against the law which removes that right or you are considered unfit to exercise it. And I already have the modern-day equivalent of a horse. It's called a motorcycle. Chris Weaver --- Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Isn't driving only a collective right, > applying only > to the state ? ;-) That means Only the police have > the > right to drive.... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 15:40:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJKenO7001577; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:40:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJKemkn001567; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:40:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021219204046.37523.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "I was on my lunch hour at a cybercafe" :^P --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > The time dating on this post indicates that it was > written during regular > office hours. I have a good mind to report you to > your new employer! %^) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 15:47:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJKlUO7003839; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:47:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJKlU9t003831; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:47:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E022FEC.2546DCC0@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:45:32 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update References: <20021219201101.59483.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > IMO there is a simple solution: cars should *not* be able to withstand > serious collision damage. Maybe if they realize their very life was on > the line (like we are on an MC) the morons would think twice about > playing bumper cars. Even better. an 8 inch stainless steel spike mounted on the steering wheel. :~) Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 15:53:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJKrQO7004353; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:53:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJKrPZ0004344; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:53:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <192.12a5915d.2b338bbe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:53:18 EST Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/19/2002 1:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > I don't need a baby sitter. _That_ is the bottom line. As for making the roads safer. Who are they kidding? All they need to do is to create _real_ and repeated testing for drivers. That by itself makes the roads safer and solves the other traffic problems at the same time. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 15:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJKxRO7006646; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:59:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJKxRQr006638; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:59:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212192057.QAK39045@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:58:00 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Just because one has to qualify and register with the >government to exercise this right does not make it a >privelege. [Dave] Didn't USSC decide a case in '01 or '02 which indicated that you could not require a permit for the exercising of a right (IIRC it was a free speech case)... ??? >Compare it to voting rights. If you're an >american citizen 18 years of age or older, you have >the right to register and then vote unless you are >convicted of a felony or are considered otherwise >unfit. I view driving rights the same way - you have >the right to register and drive until you do something >against the law which removes that right or you are >considered unfit to exercise it. [Dave] No training is required to vote... One could argue for quite a long time that there SHOULD BE, but that's another O/T thread. > >And I already have the modern-day equivalent of a >horse. It's called a motorcycle. [Dave] Yeah... I've driven cages that could be considered the modern day equivalent of horse $hit... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 16:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJLK2O7007263; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:20:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJLK2rd007258; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:20:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:20:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230C99C814@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Virginia NMA Update Thread-Index: AcKnpEhplOkGATZiSfOvl8jvCIukeQ== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gBJLK1O7007246 >>> Dave Yates 12/19/02 02:59PM >>> wrote >would you have 3rd world refugees operating cars unlicensed here >without even a hint of training? This pretty describes the DC beltway nowadays. Does it not..? George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 16:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJLT7O7007829; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:29:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJLT73O007822; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:29:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145151E3@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: gel battery Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:29:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Adam Wah Said, "I highly recommend a gel battery, no fuss no muss and if your bike tips over.... no spillage" One option is to schlep your old battery to someone like national Battery and have 'em match it with something close to its size. SabMaggots claim their prices are good (& they're renown for being cheep barstewards) Another option is to head for Wal-Mart-Sam's and see if they have something close. Luckily, the battery in my Sabre is carried by Sam's for ~$24. To: "o Plug the hole(s) with something (tinfoil) to prevent acid leak." Garcia opined, "Suggest you use something that doesn't dissolve in acid." Yup durn tootin', you'd be better off with wadded up plastic bag or chewing gum -- if -- you can even find tin foil. It's mostly aluminum foil now. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 16:34:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJLY7O7008340; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:34:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJLY7MS008330; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:34:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E023A15.7817D989@carlparker.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:28:53 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Got a spare Bandit saddle??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, I'm planning on sending my 98' Bandit 1200 saddle off to be customized at Sargent cycles tomorrow (self X-Mas present to my arse). Anyone got a spare stock seat I could keep warm untill after New Years? Danke, Carl Parker (the one in Arlington) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 16:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJLcYO7009714; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:38:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJLcYJp009708; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:38:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021219203650.70291.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021219203650.70291.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 19 Dec 2002 16:38:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1040333907.27639.1370.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 15:36, Chris Weaver wrote: > Just because one has to qualify and register with the > government to exercise this right does not make it a > privelege. Compare it to voting rights. If you're an > american citizen 18 years of age or older, you have > the right to register and then vote unless you are > convicted of a felony or are considered otherwise > unfit. Correct. If you do not obey the laws set forth by the local and federal government, you can lose your "right" to vote. > I view driving rights the same way - you have > the right to register and drive until you do something > against the law which removes that right or you are > considered unfit to exercise it. Ditto. If you do not obey the laws set forth by the local and federal government, you can lose your "privilege" to drive. The laws say you can't exceed the posted speed limits, have to obey traffic lights and signs, etc. I guess I'm confused by the whole "right" vs. "privilege" thing. I offer that there are no "rights", but only privileges when you are governed by someone else (be it a dictator or a "duly elected representative of the people"). Every "right" in this country comes with some restrictions. Furthermore, every restriction is created by the same government that granted the right and/or "privilege" in the first place. The fact that these "rights" are in effect actually *granted* by the government makes them all actually "privileges". You have the right to bear arms (please, no gun thread... it's an analogy folks). You do not have the right to bear them in a shopping mall, a church, public facilities, etc. You also can't go outside your suburban house and start firing a gun in the air, nor can you just randomly shoot someone in the leg. In fact, should you do so, this "right" will be revoked. Think about that - if it's a "right", how can it be revoked? The "They tax me to build roads so I have a right to use them freely" argument has some merit, except... the roads aren't used exclusively for taxpayers to transport themselves from place to place. Your "road taxes" also support the infrastructure on which everything in your life gets transported upon. Food, durable goods, building materials, military vehicles, etc. It could be argued that roads only exist to further commerce, and that your use of them outside of that is simply a by-product :). - Roach (Who loves playing devil's advocate) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 16:52:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJLqgO7011164; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:52:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJLqgrd011154; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:52:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212192152.QAK49077@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:52:23 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roach added > >Correct. If you do not obey the laws set forth by the local and federal >government, you can lose your "right" to vote. >Ditto. If you do not obey the laws set forth by the local and federal >government, you can lose your "privilege" to drive. ... >I guess I'm confused by the whole "right" vs. "privilege" thing. I offer >that there are no "rights", but only privileges when you are governed by >someone else (be it a dictator or a "duly elected representative of the >people"). > >Every "right" in this country comes with some restrictions. Furthermore, >every restriction is created by the same government that granted the >right and/or "privilege" in the first place. [Dave] If they are granted by our gubmint, then other earth residents do not have rights, true? That being the case, let's thin the herd a little and make some more room for ourselves... The fact that these >"rights" are in effect actually *granted* by the government makes them >all actually "privileges". [Dave] Who granted you (collectively, not you Roach) the right to "life liberty & the pursuit of happiness? > >You have the right to bear arms (please, no gun thread... it's an >analogy folks). You do not have the right to bear them in a shopping >mall, a church, public facilities, etc. [Dave] No, I won't. I will however correct you, because, you are in fact, incorrect. leg1.state.va.us for VA not sure about MD, but I have read a little. A better analogy for what I think you are trying to say is the right to 'self defense' whether defending oneself with fists or flails... Even in the joint, you have that right... ... >The "They tax me to build roads so I have a right to use them freely" >argument has some merit, except... the roads aren't used exclusively for >taxpayers to transport themselves from place to place. >- Roach >(Who loves playing devil's advocate) [Dave] Next you're going to start a chain lube thread ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 17:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJMF6O7012605; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:15:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJMF67Y012595; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:15:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:14:59 -0500 From: dmeyer@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Got a spare Bandit saddle??? Message-ID: <20021219221459.GA7491@jhereg.dmeyer.net> Reply-To: dmeyer@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E023A15.7817D989@carlparker.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Newsgroups: local.dc-cycles Organization: dmeyer.net In article <3E023A15.7817D989@XXXXXX> you write: > I'm planning on sending my 98' Bandit 1200 saddle off to be customized > at Sargent cycles tomorrow (self X-Mas present to my arse). Anyone > got a spare stock seat I could keep warm untill after New Years? I do, assuming my '97 seat fits on your '98. -- Dave Meyer dmeyer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 17:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJMXGO7013580; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:33:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJMXG4Z013575; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:33:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update From: Brian Roach To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200212192152.QAK49077@vmms2.verisignmail.com> References: <200212192152.QAK49077@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 19 Dec 2002 17:33:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1040337188.27640.1409.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 16:52, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] If they are granted by our gubmint, then other earth > residents do not have rights, true? That being the case, > let's thin the herd a little and make some more room for > ourselves... > [Dave] Who granted you (collectively, not you Roach) the > right to "life liberty & the pursuit of happiness? Exactly - I was trying to argue an abstract, and these two statements show exactly what I mean. I argue the difference between "right" and "privilege" are purely semantic. Your "rights" are granted by the people who govern you. We throw around the term "right" in the US because technically, *we* govern ourselves. People in other countries, governed by other people, do not have these same "rights". Taken to the absolute, a "right" is only ideological. The mouse has every right to breathe... until the cat kills it. You could argue it either way - we all have a "right" to drive... unless we break the rules. The same applies to our "right" to vote, to bear arms, and even to free speech (you can't speak freely everywhere, there are restrictions). **BACK TO MOTO CONTEXT** I love to ride motorcycles. I love to ride them REALLY fast. To do this, without risking the loss of my "right" to drive, I have to go to a racetrack (or build one myself if I was as rich as Bill Gates). I don't think I should be allowed to ride my motorcycle at 100mph on a public road. Not because I believe I need someone else to look out for my safety, but because of the potential risk to others who also have a "right" to use that road. There are very few people (including myself) capable of operating a vehicle at high rates of speed without making an error at some point. Even the best race car and motorcycle pilots on the planet crash every once in a while. I think that's the whole point of restrictive laws governing our use of the roads. *Most* people need them, to keep them from harming others. While most of us on this list can, or honestly believe they can, pilot a vehicle at 85-90mph safely... the vast majority of the population can not and I certainly don't want them trying it around me :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 17:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJMb4O7014075; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:37:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBJMb36p014064; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:37:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145151E9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: balaclava Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:37:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Troutman complained, "I wear a thin balaclava. Nothing thicker can fit in my helmet, but my face freezes pretty solid during the commute." Vaseline helps. Long ago (before Polartec WindBlock), I wore an open face helmet behind a Vetter Quicksilver. Greasing up my cheeks helped. I found some army surplus wool cheek warmers but Vaseline and a scarf was the ticket. Evil Carl claimed, "I have a balaclava but it's so thick it fogs up the inside of my face shield." I've considered making another exhale tube like the one I used in my pedaling days. Half inch diameter plastic tubing over the shoulder. After 8 miles from Riverdale to Beltsville, I'd have an icicle hanging off the tube. Olde Weird Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 23:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBK4sLO7019697; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:54:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBK4sKNC019687; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:54:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:53:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E02A23E.3FDC1755@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200212191959.QAK28704@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Dave Yates wrote: > > would > you have 3rd world refugees operating cars unlicensed here > without even a hint of training? aren't these folks called "cabbies"? :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 19 23:57:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBK4vMO7020179; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:57:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBK4vMub020172; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:57:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:57:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021219120447.06a30db8@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021219120447.06a30db8@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you. I don't care to be protected "for my own good" by the Nanny State from the consequences of my decisions when these consequences primarily affect me. This includes, but is not limited to, wearing seatbelts and helmets, ingesting dangerous chemicals such as are found in tobacco and chocolate, and playing roulette, Russian and otherwise. Driving in PG county falls into a gray area. I mention in passing (on the left, of course) that almost half of automobile crash (disingenuously called "accidents") fatalities are due to head injuries. So, in the interest of fairness, I think we should insist on car helmet laws anywhere there are mc helmet laws. I have not yet looked into injuries linked to pedestrian deaths. Stay tuned. --garcia "In the United States, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave)B™, you now have to pass a drug test in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." mike@XXXXXX writes: >This means the police can pull you >over solely because you are not wearing a seat belt. Their main argument >is >that this is for your own good and that it is costing you money in medical >costs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 01:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBK66qO7021865; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:06:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBK66pIj021855; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:06:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0a4201c2a7e6$523fe130$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021219120447.06a30db8@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:11:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.147.37] at Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:06:44 -0600 Would you mind if I wrote in your name for President ? MC **************************** >From: "garcia oliver" > Thank you. I don't care to be protected "for my own good" by the Nanny > State from the consequences of my decisions when these consequences > primarily affect me. > > This includes, but is not limited to, wearing seatbelts and helmets, > ingesting dangerous chemicals such as are found in tobacco and chocolate, > and playing roulette, Russian and otherwise. Driving in PG county falls > into a gray area. > > I mention in passing (on the left, of course) that almost half of > automobile crash (disingenuously called "accidents") fatalities are due to > head injuries. So, in the interest of fairness, I think we should insist > on car helmet laws anywhere there are mc helmet laws. I have not yet > looked into injuries linked to pedestrian deaths. Stay tuned. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 01:07:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBK67NO7021895; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:07:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBK67NvB021889; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:07:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <113.1c5e61a8.2b340d96@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:07:18 EST Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:00:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > So, in the interest of fairness, I think we should insist > on car helmet laws anywhere there are mc helmet laws. I have been saying that for years. Wanna fu*# with the cops sometime? Wear your helmet in your car. They just know you have been doing something wrong, they just do not know what. (Not that I have ever done that...) Mayhaps helmet protest groups should start promoting a nation wide "wear your helmet in your car day" The results could be interesting. P.S. Carry a mini recorder in your shirt pocket to record anything a cop says if you get stopped for wearing one in your car. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 08:07:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKD7bO7025981; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:07:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKD7Zfw025971; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:07:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:21:08 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. In-Reply-To: <3E01D220.36C337C0@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > On the downside, although the seat was made for my bike it didn't quite fit. I > had to *tweak* the stock FLHS grab rails. Also, the seat is a bit wider. No > problem for me, but those who are inseam challanged should try thier butts on a > seat mounted on their style bike before plunking down the big bucks. Another item I've heard about Corbins on sportbikes - it's more difficult to hang off in the twisties. The wider, more contoured seat makes it difficult to move around. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 08:14:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKDEBO7026494; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:14:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKDEBea026486; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:14:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212201314.QAL47646@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:14:16 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> So, in the interest of fairness, I think we should insist >> on car helmet laws anywhere there are mc helmet laws. > >I have been saying that for years. > >Wanna fu*# with the cops sometime? Wear your helmet in your car. [Dave] I wore my m17 protective mask whilst driving home from active duty once... In my defense, I was attempting to see if the filters I'd installed in the entire unit's protective masks were operational. I did get some double takes ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 08:31:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKDVKO7027499; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:31:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKDVKk9027489; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:31:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E031CE8.9D1ED720@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:36:40 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > > On the downside, although the seat was made for my bike it didn't quite fit. I > > had to *tweak* the stock FLHS grab rails. Also, the seat is a bit wider. No > > problem for me, but those who are inseam challanged should try thier butts on a > > seat mounted on their style bike before plunking down the big bucks. > > Another item I've heard about Corbins on sportbikes - it's more difficult > to hang off in the twisties. The wider, more contoured seat makes it > difficult to move around. Wayne, I'm an old guy riding a Harley FLHS. Hanging off in the twisties ain't gonna happen :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 08:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKDYxO7027975; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:34:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKDYxdg027967; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:34:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update In-Reply-To: <113.1c5e61a8.2b340d96@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > I have been saying that for years. > > Wanna fu*# with the cops sometime? Wear your helmet in your car. They just > know you have been doing something wrong, they just do not know what. (Not > that I have ever done that...) We did this on a long trip home from a race event (back before we trailered our cars to events). You get a lot of looks from people when you pass them with a helmet on :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 08:38:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKDckO7028456; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:38:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKDckpM028448; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:38:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:52:21 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. In-Reply-To: <3E031CE8.9D1ED720@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > Wayne, I'm an old guy riding a Harley FLHS. Hanging off in the twisties ain't gonna > happen :-) > Bill I realize this, Bill :-) Just adding a datapoint for others shopping for saddles. I'm having a drag saddle made by a guy on my 'Busa message board. Very high quality work which could probably be duplicated by a good upholstery shop. Those looking for custom seat work might want to open up the yeller pages and take a trip to their local upholstery shops. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 08:52:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKDq1O7030330; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:52:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKDq1LD030321; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:52:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212201351.QAL52016@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:52:06 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did bring my MC helmet to a test drive once. I only used it as an ice breaker, I didn't actually _wear_it, but the look on the salesman's face was priceless... :-) Dave >We did this on a long trip home from a race event (back before we >trailered our cars to events). You get a lot of looks from people when >you pass them with a helmet on :-) > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 08:59:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKDxRO7030833; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:59:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKDxQPs030827; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:59:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:59:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200212200859.AA228917792@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] X-Mailer: ah ha! Helmets in public can be considered masks, which are illegal in many situations (see below for Virginia law). Always interesting to see what laws affect things. One exception is for a device for physical safety - though I doubt a LEO or judge would agree it's needed in a street car. Yes, there are more head injuries in cars (there's a lower injury rate, but more total car wrecks than motorcycle wrecks). I suppose if you were butt-ugly you could use the "doctor's authorization exception", too. :-) I forgot and wore my full-face helmet into my bank one time, and the tellers noticeably stiffened as I walked in the door. It took a moment to realize why, then I stopped and removed my helmet and got recognized before proceeding. And by the way, a friend told me he learned it is illegal to wear a helmet into a bank in Australia. But he refused to provide the juicy details of exactly HOW he learned this. Chris Norloff http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-422 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions. It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity for wearing the device and the date on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device. The violation of any provisions of this section shall constitute a Class 6 felony. (Code 1950, 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:07:18 EST >In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:00:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, >garicao@XXXXXX writes: > >> So, in the interest of fairness, I think we should insist >> on car helmet laws anywhere there are mc helmet laws. > >I have been saying that for years. > >Wanna fu*# with the cops sometime? Wear your helmet in your car. They just >know you have been doing something wrong, they just do not know what. (Not >that I have ever done that...) > >Mayhaps helmet protest groups should start promoting a nation wide "wear your >helmet in your car day" The results could be interesting. > >P.S. Carry a mini recorder in your shirt pocket to record anything a cop says >if you get stopped for wearing one in your car. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 09:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKEdfO7032416; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:39:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKEdd1j032401; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:39:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220093549.020a3818@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:38:15 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] In-Reply-To: <200212200859.AA228917792@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:59 AM 12/20/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: >I forgot and wore my full-face helmet into my bank one time, and the >tellers noticeably stiffened as I walked in the door. It took a moment to >realize why, then I stopped and removed my helmet and got recognized >before proceeding. When my bank was close to home, I used to stop by 2-3 times each week. With decent online BB&T banking, there isn't much need anymore. Anyway - I _always_ wore my helmet in. They got used to it. Gas station attendants have the same reaction on occasion. Except the ones I have 'trained' of course. I thought about buying a flip-up for this very reason. Then I compared price and quality and decided against it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 09:52:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKEqXO7000927; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:52:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKEqXAx000916; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:52:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021220144650.1915.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:46:50 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Business Advice To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002101c2a6c0$c5bd89e0$0b913044@fred> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jay, I'm seriously thinking about getting a Phoenix jacket when summer roles around (my bike is red). I'd get the pheonix pants if they can be modified for vertically challenged people. Keith --- Jay Goddard wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > Sorry I have been so quit, I have been busy :-). I > have some good news (I > think), I am now a Joe Rocket dealer! I know a > bunch of you own and like > Joe Rocket gear so I thought I would ask for your > help. What Joe Rocket > stuff should I stock, what do you like the most? > Don't worry about sizes, I > am interested in what models and colors everybody > likes, dislikes and thinks > I should sell. Thank you in advance for you help, > information and wise-ass > comments. Please keep checking us out, we are > growing a lot and adding new > things all the time. > > If you feel this is obtrusive I am sorry. > -- > Thanks!! > Jay Goddard > 1990 RC30, 1994 KDX200 > 1996 ZX-11, 1992 FZR600 (Lisa's) > 1995 VFR750F (Lisa's) > 301-340-0886 > Jay@XXXXXX > www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 09:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKEspO7000964; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:54:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKEspJ1000955; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:54:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220093817.0687fc20@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:53:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Rain Riding - quick survey (offlist!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I put together a quickie survey for the DC cycles crowd. http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/15102567.html My main curiosity involved riding in the rain, and I decided to squeeze a little more info out of you. After you answer, the results are here: http://www.opinionpower.com/results.cgi?id=15102567 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 10:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKFPPO7003001; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:25:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKFPOBe002991; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:25:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0b2901c2a834$58c88fe0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:22:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.147.37] at Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:25:14 -0600 A much as we like changing things and buying goodies for our mounts, oft times the rounded convex stock seat is best for easily moving about in twisties. Put the temptation fundage into track schools. MC ******************************* >From: "Wayne Edelen" > Another item I've heard about Corbins on sportbikes - it's more difficult > to hang off in the twisties. The wider, more contoured seat makes it > difficult to move around. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 10:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKFXHO7003953; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:33:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKFXFnP003946; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:33:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220103102.0229dc68@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:33:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Rain Riding - quick survey (offlist!) In-Reply-To: <20021220151647.99926.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220093817.0687fc20@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:16 AM 12/20/2002, someone wrote: >Need some clarifications on questions. > >"Parking in garage, etc." At home or at work? (Different answers for each) at home >Commute: Average? Everyday? more offen than not? Rarely? more often than not What is really runny is that I forgot to include the one question I wanted to know. If it is raining out in the morning - do you ride in, or are you likely to take alternate transportation? I don't mind rain riding on the way home at all - but I won't start a ride in the rain (unless it is a trip other than commuting). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 10:36:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKFanO7004907; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:36:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKFanYD004897; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:36:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ff01c2a83d$e8e09920$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brian Roach" , "Dave Yates" Cc: References: <200212192152.QAK49077@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <1040337188.27640.1409.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:37:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Leave town for a day and all hell breaks loose. Rode the scoot to NYC yesterday (ob moto content). Seems to me some folks are getting really confused on the subjects of "rights." "Natural right" as Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc., understood it, exists universally in all times and places, and fall upon all people from the Creator (or "Nature and nature's law" if you prefer). Natural right exists regardless of whether a particular government chooses to acknowledge it or not. In fact the Bill of Rights was largely viewed as an acknowledgement of things (natural rights) that already existed. What is more "natural" than for people to be secure in their persons and property, for instance. It was confirmation, not a "granting" or conferring of "rights" by a benevolent government. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update > On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 16:52, Dave Yates wrote: > > > [Dave] If they are granted by our gubmint, then other earth > > residents do not have rights, true? That being the case, > > let's thin the herd a little and make some more room for > > ourselves... > > > [Dave] Who granted you (collectively, not you Roach) the > > right to "life liberty & the pursuit of happiness? > > Exactly - I was trying to argue an abstract, and these two statements > show exactly what I mean. I argue the difference between "right" and > "privilege" are purely semantic. > > Your "rights" are granted by the people who govern you. We throw around > the term "right" in the US because technically, *we* govern ourselves. > People in other countries, governed by other people, do not have these > same "rights". > > Taken to the absolute, a "right" is only ideological. The mouse has > every right to breathe... until the cat kills it. > > You could argue it either way - we all have a "right" to drive... unless > we break the rules. The same applies to our "right" to vote, to bear > arms, and even to free speech (you can't speak freely everywhere, there > are restrictions). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 10:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKFfrO7005449; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:41:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKFfq2A005439; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:41:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding - quick survey (offlist!) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:41:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220093817.0687fc20@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20021220103102.0229dc68@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220103102.0229dc68@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02122010414805.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 20 December 2002 10:33, Troutman wrote: > > What is really runny ... Ruh Roh Shaggy! Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 10:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKFgNO7005488; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:42:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKFgMcO005473; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:42:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E033925.7B1D0D3A@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:37:10 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In light of the recent arguments....I've decided to MOVE TO CANADA! WOOOHOOO! ;) Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 11:05:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKG5uO7007928; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:05:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKG5ucL007918; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:05:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E03412A.C6D9702B@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:11:22 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Santa! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This AM I was in downtown Annandale running errands when I heard the wail of police sirens. Uh-oh. Time to scan for car-clusters and avoid the jam. But what do I see... Santa! Yep, Santa was on a Fairfax County scoot, siren & lights, waving at the motorists and onlookers. Also in the semi-parade, a Frfx Couty Sheriffs car, the county police motor squad trailer, and of course, a gaggle of motorcops. I suspect they were making the rounds of the elementry schools. Santa on a scoot, kinda cool. I took this as a sign, time to drag my butt out and do my Christmas shopping. Yeah, a little early for me, but my usual Christmas Eve shopping frenzy has been tanked. Milady has decided that we're going to North Cakalaki for the holiday, a family gathering. I took that as a sign to stock up on single malt scotch. Sitting innna corner with my jug and a big ol' inebriated smile is the only way to survive a family gathering. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 11:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKGDxO7008443; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:13:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKGDxhc008435; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:13:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003901c2a843$1acccda0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021219155055.1613.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: MCN reviews, was Re: Aftermarket Saddles. Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:15:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I thought it was just me. I my opinion MCN seems to be slipping a little from its reputation of no-nonsense, let the chips fall where they may moto-journalism. I don't find myself mining every article for golden nuggets any more. MCN sits in the mail pile for a few days or even weeks now. I think their reviewers have gotten a little soft. Case in point. The review of the R-whatever Beemercruiser in the latest issue really stuck out. One test rider praised it in the comments section; the other ripped BMW a new body orifice for putting such an ergonomically-challenged cruiser on the road. Yet, the review itself was mostly positive, except for a few quibbles about the CD player. What gives? Why were the negative comments about something as basic as riding position and comfort on a *cruiser* relegated to "test rider's comments" section? Afraid of biting the hand that feeds and loans test bikes to play with? I've noted a trend that MCN is getting like all the other American mags. Just like Garrison Keillor's Lake Woebegone, all the bikes are "above average" these days. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > I have every back issue for the last 5 years. (or something close to > that) the saddle article was pretty lousy IMO. More of a rant and > wasted precious column inches in minutia instead of actually going out > and testing actual products and proposing DIY solutions to various gripes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 11:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKGKdO7009379; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:20:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKGKdwj009369; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:20:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0bab01c2a83c$10a9e8f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3E03412A.C6D9702B@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Santa! Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:25:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop018.verizon.net from [141.156.147.37] at Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:20:28 -0600 So that's what they mean by Christmas "cheer". Ha !! MC ***************************** >From: "William J. Huson" > Sitting innna corner with my > jug and a big ol' inebriated smile is the only way to survive a family > gathering. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 11:25:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKGP8O7010317; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:25:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKGP7I7010308; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:25:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E034400.C64CCCBF@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:23:28 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Santa! References: <3E03412A.C6D9702B@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > > I took that as a > sign to stock up on single malt scotch. Sitting innna corner with my > jug and a big ol' inebriated smile is the only way to survive a family > gathering. it's not the only way, but in my case most of the other ways involve fisticuffs or forearms. Scotch is cheaper in the long run From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 11:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKGPYO7010355; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:25:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKGPYQc010346; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:25:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:25:28 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Santa! In-Reply-To: <3E03412A.C6D9702B@patriot.net> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > Santa on a scoot, kinda cool. Hee! Very cool. Inquiring minds want to know what kind of gear he was wearing, though. > I took that as a sign to stock up on single malt scotch. I'll happily take just about anything as a sign to stock up on single malt. Family gatherings, performance reviews at ork, rainy days, sunny days... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 11:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKGTnO7011730; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:29:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKGTm0o011719; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:29:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E034519.32CB7C2A@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:28:09 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Santa! References: <3E03412A.C6D9702B@patriot.net> <3E034400.C64CCCBF@tasam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip Smith wrote: > it's not the only way, but in my case most of the other ways involve > fisticuffs or forearms. > > Scotch is cheaper in the long run heh... the I and the O being next to each other gives me ample opportunities for bad typos. I meant "Firearms" not "forearms"... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 11:35:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKGZIO7013123; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:35:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKGZIeV013113; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:35:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.61.114] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Santa! Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:09:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 16:09:48.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[386D24A0:01C2A842] Amen! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Sitting innna corner with my >jug and a big ol' inebriated smile is the only way to survive a family >gathering. > >Bill _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 12:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKHDcO7014739; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:13:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKHDb6x014729; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:13:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <119.1c81cf30.2b34a9b5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:13:25 EST Subject: Re: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/20/2002 9:06:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > I doubt a LEO or judge would agree it's needed in a street car. Yes, there > are more head injuries in cars And would that not create some interesting legal precedents for the anti helmet law crowd? (Precisely the reason I said to wear a mini recorder while doing it.) A good lawyer could have a field day with "cannot wear in situation A but _must_ wear it in situation B.) NOTE: I am pro helmet, but..... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 12:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKHGoO7015674; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:16:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKHGoT4015667; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:16:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <22.33be610c.2b34aa7d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:16:45 EST Subject: Re: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/20/2002 9:40:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Anyway - I _always_ wore my helmet in. They got used to it. Gas > station attendants have the same reaction on occasion. Do not wear your balaclava into the gas station/convenience store! I did have a guy give me a hard time about wearing my helmet into a gas station once. I told him I was required by law to wear the damn thing and he could go to hell. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 12:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKHWcO7016651; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:32:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKHWckh016641; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:32:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4c.15b22d26.2b34ae28@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:32:24 EST Subject: Re: Rain Riding - quick survey (offlist!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/20/2002 10:36:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > What is really runny is that I forgot to include the one question I wanted > to know. If it is raining out in the morning - do you ride in? Yep. I ride in anything but ice. I have ridden in snow. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 12:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKHrdO7017656; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:53:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKHrcx6017646; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:53:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:53:31 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409275@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] Thread-Index: AcKoNbr7uNFqjWx9T3GWex7PtyeRvQAGfzhA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gBKHrbO7017634 On several occasions, when I was low on fuel, and had no credit card on me, I had to pay in cash. (but not prepay) So after filling up, I would just start pushing my bike away from the pump, somewhere to the side, so that the pump can be used by others in the interim. In all of those several cases, the attendants actually went outside, and headed towards my bike to take my money. Talk about nice service! I venture to say that they though I was going to run, but it was definately more convenient :) Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] > > > At 08:59 AM 12/20/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: > >I forgot and wore my full-face helmet into my bank one time, and the > >tellers noticeably stiffened as I walked in the door. It > took a moment to > >realize why, then I stopped and removed my helmet and got recognized > >before proceeding. > > When my bank was close to home, I used to stop by 2-3 times each > week. With decent online BB&T banking, there isn't much need > anymore. Anyway - I _always_ wore my helmet in. They got > used to it. Gas > station attendants have the same reaction on occasion. > Except the ones I > have 'trained' of course. > > I thought about buying a flip-up for this very reason. Then > I compared > price and quality and decided against it. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKIJVO7018715; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:19:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKIJU8K018704; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:19:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021220180225.37470.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MCN reviews, was Re: Aftermarket Saddles. To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <003901c2a843$1acccda0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I thought it was just me. I my opinion MCN seems to be > slipping a little > from its reputation of no-nonsense, let the chips fall > where they may > moto-journalism. I don't find myself mining every > article for golden > nuggets any more. MCN sits in the mail pile for a few > days or even weeks > now. I think their reviewers have gotten a little soft. while i don't agree with you entirely (i still love mcn), i read in the most recent edition the article on handling your m/c insurance claim and simply had to laugh. quite possibly the poorest written article on the insurance subject i've ever read. > I've noted a trend that MCN is getting like all the other > American mags. > Just like Garrison Keillor's Lake Woebegone, all the > bikes are "above > average" these days. except the harleys. actually sounds about right to me. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKISwO7019690; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:28:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKISvbe019679; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:28:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:17:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 18:17:39.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[147CD600:01C2A854] I'm with John on this one. The law requires me to wear it, so I'm wearing it. If they have a problem with it, they can lobby to have the law changed. And yes, I have walked into gas station/convenience stores with full gear, including helmet and sunglasses, on. Eff-em. Perry >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [snip] >I did have a guy give me a hard time about wearing my helmet into a gas >station once. I told him I was required by law to wear the damn thing and >he >could go to hell. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:33:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKIXoO7020182; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:33:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKIXoGh020174; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:33:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016001c2a856$a1fa8980$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021220180225.37470.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MCN reviews, was Re: Aftermarket Saddles. Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:35:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yes, the insurance article and its companion, the insurance "survey." It went on for three or four pages and said very little. How about a state-by-state average or something so we might have some idea whether we're getting reamed or not. They just seemed to throw up their hands and say "there are too many variables" to draw any conclusions. Perhaps true, but it speaks about how poorly their survey was designed. As for the insurance claims article, it's perhaps the most cynical piece I've ever read and appeared be little more than a two-page sales pitch for the author's book on the subject. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" . > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > I thought it was just me. I my opinion MCN seems to be > > slipping a little > > from its reputation of no-nonsense.. > > while i don't agree with you entirely (i still love mcn), i > read in the most recent edition the article on handling > your m/c insurance claim and simply had to laugh. quite > possibly the poorest written article on the insurance > subject i've ever read. > > > > > > I've noted a trend that MCN is getting like all the other > > American mags. > > Just like Garrison Keillor's Lake Woebegone, all the > > bikes are "above > > average" these days. > > except the harleys. actually sounds about right to me. > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKIc6O7021122; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:38:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKIc5Kf021112; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:38:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chains Rule? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:35:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 18:35:26.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[90893480:01C2A856] I thought belts and shafty's ruled... I heard a while back (and it may have been hype) that WD-40 (Water Displacement Test #40) would kill O-rings... but hell I used to replace chains and sprockets yearly so I don't think that's a problem... as WWII veterans... what happened to Korea, Vietnam and all those other shitty little PO-lice actions the politicians ramps up for our benefit? They don't count... I guess if your not in a conflict that is Income tax exempt you ain't shit! Wasn't Desert Storm tax exempt? On another note... anybody know of any riding associations in Oklahoma? I'm thinking about moving there in a couple of years. Anybody know anything about Oklahoma? aw Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKIdMO7021170; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:39:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKIdMtB021157; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:39:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: aftermarket saddles Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:25:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 18:25:01.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BF0D610:01C2A855] I have a corbin... too hard. I hear Mustangs are okay. But corbin goes for the super density foam which after a tank starts feeling like a rock. Any ironbutts out there have any recommendations? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:45:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKIjXO7022576; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:45:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKIjW4Y022566; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:45:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:45:30 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MCN reviews In-Reply-To: <016001c2a856$a1fa8980$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > As for the insurance claims article, it's perhaps the most cynical > piece I've ever read and appeared be little more than a two-page sales > pitch for the author's book on the subject. Heh. The most recent issue is the first of my new subscription. I was left scratching my head and wondering what all the hype was about... the insurance "survey" (and accompanying claims diatribe) seemed pretty weak to me, and took up a fair amount of page space. What I was left with was the review of a big BMW (which included not a whole lot more info than you might find in a typical Motorcyclist review)... and some product schtuff, also not unlike Motorcyclist. Hmm. Glad to see some others think this issue was out of line with their usual quality. In totally unrelated news, one of Chuck's associates at Cato has recently published a long rant on NRO about how safe and wonderful and all-American SUVs are, and how all SUV-haters are just a bunch of whiny bastards. ( http://66.216.126.164/comment/comment-taylor121802.asp ) In the article, he makes the usual argument that SUVs are inherently safer, and calls it "a matter put to bed once and for all in a study issued by the National Academy of Sciences two years ago." Interestingly (sorta, for me anyway), he doesn't provide a link or a cite for the study, and two years is a long time (and a lot of burst Firestones) ago. Does anyone have a link to this study? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:46:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKIkxO7022611; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:46:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKIkxqm022605; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:46:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:46:54 -0800 From: To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCN reviews, was Re: Aftermarket Saddles. Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Kinda hard for ALL the bikes to be ABOVE average, at least mathematically speaking. Perhaps the perception of "average" has simply changed? On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:15:08 -0500 Paul Wilson wrote: > I've noted a trend that MCN is getting like all > the other American mags. > Just like Garrison Keillor's Lake Woebegone, > all the bikes are "above > average" these days. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKImmO7023542; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:48:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKImlIS023516; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:48:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:48:45 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MCN reviews, was Re: Aftermarket Saddles. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Kinda hard for ALL the bikes to be ABOVE average, at least > mathematically speaking. Perhaps the perception of "average" has > simply changed? Maybe it's just that _almost_ all bikes are above average, and there's one _really_ _crappy_ _bike_ out there which skews the mean in a big way? Or I guess there could just be one crappy brand. Fish. no comment as to which, tho From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:53:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKIrjO7025381; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:53:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKIrjbf025371; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:53:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:53:37 -0800 From: To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCN reviews Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 That would be my colleague Jerry Taylor. I would agree that SUVs are safer if you define "safe" as meaning having a higher probability of surviving in an accident. Are they "safe" in terms of their handling and other vehicle characteristics? Are they sometimes "unsafe" relative to other vehicles on the road? But a lot of that is a function of the idiot behind the wheel (who would be just as safe or unsafe in anything else, but SUVs might magnify the differences). For the record, I love my SUV (because it suits theh purposes I bought it for). And people who hate them are a bunch of whiny bastards. %^) On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:45:30 -0600 (CST) Fish Flowers wrote: > In totally unrelated news, one of Chuck's > associates at Cato has recently > published a long rant on NRO about how safe and > wonderful and all-American > SUVs are, and how all SUV-haters are just a > bunch of whiny bastards. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 13:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKIvDO7027207; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:57:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKIvDK5027197; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:57:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCN reviews, was Re: Aftermarket Saddles. Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:55:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 18:55:43.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[65DD8FD0:01C2A859] Well, no, that was kind of the point. In an effort to not hurt anyone's feelings, or their self-esteem, we can't have anyone just be average, or {horrors} below average. So, everyone is above average. And all is good... Perry >From: [snip] > >Kinda hard for ALL the bikes to be ABOVE average, at least mathematically >speaking. Perhaps the perception of "average" has simply changed? > >On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:15:08 -0500 Paul Wilson >wrote: > > > > I've noted a trend that MCN is getting like all > > the other American mags. > > Just like Garrison Keillor's Lake Woebegone, > > all the bikes are "above > > average" these days. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 14:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKJovO7028437; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:50:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKJotQS028430; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:50:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011001c2a861$0f8195c0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: References: <20021220144650.1915.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Business Advice Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:47:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I personally like the Meteor 4.0 and the matching pants for the winter season. It has a nice lining and is waterproof. As for the summer I am not sure yet, probably the Phoenix. I like the Joe Rocket wear but with my bowl full of jelly that I am working off, some of the things are tight around it. Scott Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Lamond" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Business Advice > Jay, > > I'm seriously thinking about getting a Phoenix jacket > when summer roles around (my bike is red). > > I'd get the pheonix pants if they can be modified for > vertically challenged people. > > Keith > --- Jay Goddard > wrote: > > > > Hey Folks, > > > > Sorry I have been so quit, I have been busy :-). I > > have some good news (I > > think), I am now a Joe Rocket dealer! I know a > > bunch of you own and like > > Joe Rocket gear so I thought I would ask for your > > help. What Joe Rocket > > stuff should I stock, what do you like the most? > > Don't worry about sizes, I > > am interested in what models and colors everybody > > likes, dislikes and thinks > > I should sell. Thank you in advance for you help, > > information and wise-ass > > comments. Please keep checking us out, we are > > growing a lot and adding new > > things all the time. > > > > If you feel this is obtrusive I am sorry. > > -- > > Thanks!! > > Jay Goddard > > 1990 RC30, 1994 KDX200 > > 1996 ZX-11, 1992 FZR600 (Lisa's) > > 1995 VFR750F (Lisa's) > > 301-340-0886 > > Jay@XXXXXX > > www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:01:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKK1JO7029406; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:01:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKK1JgV029396; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515209@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: MSF- ERC Course Savage MD Jan 5 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:02:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain This was posted on SabMag. Alas, the only contact listed is the poster. ('n I asked him but no reply) If anyone knows Rod Miller or Chris Johnson they'd be the best contacts. Otherwise check with Marc cuz I be ig-nernt Carl in Bethesda (tryin' to hep - 'n prayin' fer a warm spell) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:13:18 -0500 From: "Marc \"Merlin\" Mauss" Subject: FW: [RoadHouse] ERC Course A friend of mine, from the Shadow list, recently ran into a problem. The military base he works on JUST decided to implement the regulation requiring motorcyclists to have passed the MSF course. This base's particular interpretation is that it must be an Experienced Rider Course (ERC). There were no courses scheduled in the DC area, so Chris was not going to be able to ride to work until March!! I found an instructor in his area who will teach the course for Chris in Sunday, January 5th. If anyone in the DC area is interested in attending - it's actually in Savage, MD - there are some openings. I don't know what kind of deal Chris made on this, but I think he's paying far more than just a single tuition for the course, and the more people that join him, the more it lowers *HIS* fee. His post to the Shadow list follows: Marc "Merlin" Mauss > A big thanks to Merlin for finding me an instructor for the Experienced > Riders Course. > > I've contacted a friend of a friend of Merlin's who is willing to do a > one off course for me January 5th in Savage Maryland. The classroom > work will be done at Bob's BMW and then we will move down the road a bit > to a train station where the actual hands on work will be done. > > Rod Miller who is the gentleman who is giving up his Sunday for me and > this course is willing to cut me a little bit of a deal on the price but > would like a few more people to attend than just me. *SMILE* > > Therefore, anybody that would like to take a winter ERC course on > Sunday, January 5th, please contact me and I'll get you in contact with > Rod to get you signed up. Standard cost is $75. I figure it will stay > the same for you but everybody that signs up lowers my cost just a > little bit. > > Savage Maryland is between Baltimore and Washington DC near Ft Meade. > My understanding is that you should have at least 4000 miles of rider > experience before attending this course but I'm not the final word. > > A huge thank you to our magic man, Merlin, for finding Rod for me. > > My current understanding of the Regs and situation regarding Motorcycles > on post is as follows: > > DoD regulations DoD:6055-4 requires that Motorcycle operators be > properly licensed and have successfully completed an approved rider > or operator safety course. This training will be provided free of > charge to military and civilian personnel. > > AR: 355-45(???) Not found > > According to James Rankin, post motorcycle safety officer for > Ft. Belvoir, army staff has issued a requirement that the only > approved rider training course will be the MSF ERC course. BRC is > NOT acceptable. Army Staff has also indicated that post command will > make NO exceptions for this ruling. > > I have put in a request for the regulations in question and a copy of > post and army staff commands but have not yet received them. > > In the mean time, I'm caged in a four wheel monster for one day this > month and a few days next month. > > Best, > -Chris Johnson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:01:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKK1hO7029458; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:01:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKK1hHD029454; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:01:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: email.featureprice.com: apache set sender to herb@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <1040415199.3e0379dfbe6d1@email.featureprice.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:13:19 -0500 From: herb@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX Subject: Santa on a Sport Bike References: <200212200000.gBK001M4015785@dirty.meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <200212200000.gBK001M4015785@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 204.108.8.5 Hi all- Check out the following web page of Santa riding a Sportbike (Gixxer): Photos + a film loop at the bottom of the web page. http://www.route125.com/125/santa/santa.htm Enjoy, Herb '99 VFR '94 Magna Herb @MotorcycleGroupTours.com > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > |_| > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKKMEO7032253; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:22:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKKMD83032243; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:22:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021220202200.70305.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:22:00 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200212200859.AA228917792@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > ah ha! Helmets in public can be considered masks.... > > One exception is for a device for physical safety - > though I doubt a LEO or judge would agree it's > needed in a street car. Ever drive a Lotus 11 on the street without one? 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:26:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKKQRO7000721; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:26:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKKQR0r000712; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:26:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021220202624.71290.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:26:24 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: helmets in public [was:Virginia NMA Update] To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <22.33be610c.2b34aa7d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >... I told him I was required by law to > wear the damn thing and he > could go to hell. Had that old Christmas spirit workin early that year, eh? 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKKV0O7001704; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:31:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKKV0mu001692; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:31:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021220203058.41455.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: MCN reviews, was Re: Aftermarket Saddles. To: Paul Wilson , matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <003901c2a843$1acccda0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I thought it was just me. I my opinion MCN seems to > be slipping a little > from its reputation of no-nonsense, let the chips > fall where they may > moto-journalism. Nope. Based on the glowing testimonials here and in various USENET bike lists, I subscribed about six months ago. Big disappointment. The mag seems like a way for their old, cynical contributors to vent personal opinion, and not much meet. The "meet the staff" issue, in particular, was a complete waste of paper. That kind of basic stuff belongs on a Web site, but their Web site is one of the worst, least informative I've ever seen. Give me Rider, Motorcyclist, and several far, far-superior British mags, and you can keep MCN. They won't be seeing any more of my money. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKKekO7002666; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:40:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKKejha002656; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:40:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220151629.00a6c720@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:36:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Mechanical question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Unfortunately (well, kinda) I'm not at work. When I posted that I'd probably have to rebuild the carbs on this bike, someone (I want to say Matthew Patton but I'm not sure) said they might be available for help. While I'm not at the stage where physical help is needed, I do have some questions. Basically I haven't been at this level of engine work in many years. When I _did_ take the heads off, I wasn't able to get it back together and had to junk the bike (it wasn't worth mucking with at the time). After a couple of other mechanical missteps, I vowed to use a mechanic. Anyway, enough history. The bike is turning over but not starting. There is no smell of gas as I'd expect. When I disconnect the gas tank and try to start the bike, I get no suction at the fuel line. Question: Should I get suction or is it a gravity feed? I'm thinking that I'll have to strip down the carbs. From the diagrams, I don't see it as being a gigantic issue. Keep track of parts, do things one at a time, etc. Suggestions on what to use to clean the parts. I'm a bit tired so something may seem obvious. Go for it anyway. Thanks for any advice. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKKkoO7003604; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:46:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKKko3R003594; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:46:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200212202046.QAM25525@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:46:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: MCN reviews, was Re: Aftermarket Saddles. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul sadly noted: >I thought it was just me. I my opinion MCN seems to be slipping a little >from its reputation of no-nonsense, let the chips fall where they may >moto-journalism. I don't find myself mining every article for golden >nuggets any more [Dave] I miss Lee Parks. I think that perhaps they're not so willing to offend with a bad review anymore, maybe because they haven't gotten some bikes to review? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:52:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKKqXO7004546; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:52:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKKqWVN004536; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:52:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a601c2a86a$0410ba00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: MCN reviews Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:50:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: Re: MCN reviews > On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > As for the insurance claims article, it's perhaps the most cynical > > piece I've ever read and appeared be little more than a two-page sales > > pitch for the author's book on the subject. > > Heh. The most recent issue is the first of my new subscription. I was left > scratching my head and wondering what all the hype was about... the > insurance "survey" (and accompanying claims diatribe) seemed pretty weak > to me, and took up a fair amount of page space. What I was left with was > the review of a big BMW (which included not a whole lot more info than you > might find in a typical Motorcyclist review)... and some product schtuff, > also not unlike Motorcyclist. Hmm. > > Glad to see some others think this issue was out of line with their usual > quality. > I agree. The two insurance stories were a gratuitous waste of forest products. The insurance survey was a big bust. Reading between the lines, it seems the response from readers was a little "underwhelming." I know I didn't send mine in. :) I do enjoy the in-depth technical articles, even on topics in which I have little direct interest, like tuning the EFI on Harleys. Still, I find the mag at the top of the heap for American publications. Rau's editorials, like his anti-loud pipes harangue, sometimes stir things up. Searle's a little milquetoasty for my taste. He seems to write like he's trying to run for senior class president as everyone's friend. American moto-mags in general seem to put on the lace panties as opposed to the raw edge of the British mags. The Brit reviewers aren't afraid to stand for something, even if it means giving a manufacturer a public black eye. Remember the old saw, "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 15:56:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKKuWO7005486; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:56:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKKuWmJ005478; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:56:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:56:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mechanical question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220151629.00a6c720@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:36:18 -0500 > From: Carl Schelin > > The bike is turning over but not starting. There is no smell of gas as I'd > expect. When I disconnect the gas tank and try to start the bike, I get no > suction at the fuel line. > > Question: Should I get suction or is it a gravity feed? CB-750 SOHC was gravity fed IIRC. There's floats in the bowls that regulate when the gas flows from the tank. Been a long time since I looked at one however. > I'm thinking that I'll have to strip down the carbs. Prolly good, if its been sitting for any length of time. > From the diagrams, I > don't see it as being a gigantic issue. Keep track of parts, do things one > at a time, etc. Suggestions on what to use to clean the parts. Carb Cleaner? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 16:07:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKL7EO7006464; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:07:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKL7D0H006454; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:07:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021220210533.80425.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:05:33 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: aftermarket saddles To: Adam Wah , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Adam Wah wrote: > Any ironbutts out there have any recommendations? > Over on the LDRiders forum, the Russell and Mayer Seats are popular. Both Rick and Rocky Mayer build seats. I use a Rick Mayer solo ZX6 seat on my Ninja 250 and ZX6. Russell and Rocky Mayer weren't interested in rebuilding my cut-down ZX6 saddle. Leon Begeman __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 17:17:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKMH7O7007759; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:17:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKMH6UU007749; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:17:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:16:49 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tour Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From Quito Ecuadore to Puerto Chicama Peru http://www.twowheelsgood.net/twowheelsgood/americas/americas.html If you wish to contact me please respond directly to this email or use one of the linkes on my website. Thanks, Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net Proudly sponsored by Loudoun Motorsports http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 17:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKMV0O7008930; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:31:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKMUxb5008920; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:30:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:30:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chains Rule? To: Adam Wah Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E039A1B.CFD25612@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Adam Wah wrote: > On another note... anybody know of any riding associations in Oklahoma? I'm > thinking about moving there in a couple of years. Anybody know anything > about Oklahoma? Rode through there once. Didn't stop. The roads seemed nice. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 17:52:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKMqsO7009963; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:52:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKMqrDk009953; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:52:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220174201.00a71220@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:51:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Mechanical question In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220151629.00a6c720@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:56 PM 12/20/02 -0500, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:36:18 -0500 > > From: Carl Schelin > > > > The bike is turning over but not starting. There is no smell of gas as I'd > > expect. When I disconnect the gas tank and try to start the bike, I get no > > suction at the fuel line. > > > > Question: Should I get suction or is it a gravity feed? > >CB-750 SOHC was gravity fed IIRC. There's floats in the bowls that >regulate when the gas flows from the tank. Been a long time since I looked >at one however. Good to know. Keeps me from troubleshooting something that's not wrong. > > I'm thinking that I'll have to strip down the carbs. > >Prolly good, if its been sitting for any length of time. I want to do it anyway. I _am_ trying to learn here. If it works, besides "fixing" something that's not broken, I'd know that it was working before I started. Then if it's not working when I'm done, I know I broke something. > > From the diagrams, I > > don't see it as being a gigantic issue. Keep track of parts, do things one > > at a time, etc. Suggestions on what to use to clean the parts. > >Carb Cleaner? Told you I was tired. It sounds obvious, but I guess I'd get a thing of the STP stuff and use it during the strip and clean? I guess I'm looking for something that's used to clean the carbs while disassembling rather than something that's mixed with the gas and that, when combined, makes the cleaning agent. Or am I being _too_ smart here :-) But thanks for the input (geeks working on bikes, what's the world come to ;-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 18:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKN4MO7010943; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:04:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKN4Mn2010932; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:04:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021220222755.57495.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:27:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: MCN reviews To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <00a601c2a86a$0410ba00$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I agree. The two insurance stories were a gratuitous waste of forest > products. The insurance survey was a big bust. Reading between the lines, > it seems the response from readers was a little "underwhelming." I know I > didn't send mine in. :) I don't know about "underwhelming" being the problem. Way back when I was a mathematics major, I took several Statistics courses, included "Sampling Techniques" which teaches how to do a GOOD survey (not the junk a lot of people put out as solid numbers). Fred Rau sounded like he was being honest in the first few paragraphs when he said they bit off a lot more than they could chew. For the survey to be truly meaningful, the population they got (MCN readers) would not have been an honest representation. Even if 100% of MCN subscribers answered, it would not be a true "Motorcycle Insurance" survey. Sure, statisticians could weave around the numbers, but the results, while sounding impressive, would be worthless. I think, once they realized that, they tried to salvage what they could, and give some information, but didn't want to print out anything that could be misleading with bad statistics. Just my two pennies worth, Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 18:06:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKN6FO7011428; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:06:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKN6FUc011415; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:06:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515211@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'cjohnson@XXXXXX'" Subject: MSF- ERC Course Savage MD Jan 5 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:07:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain -----Original Message----- From: Marc "Merlin" Mauss [SMTP:marc@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:01 PM Chris is at cjohnson@XXXXXX See previous post of ask Chris. Carl (off to Philly) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 18:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKNR3O7012893; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:27:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKNR1jw012883; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:27:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000001c2a87f$99168ca0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20021220222755.57495.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MCN reviews Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:21:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 They turned it into a "human interest" story about insurance. I aspire to be the 82-year-old guy who pays $25 a year to carry liability on an SV650. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" > > I agree. The two insurance stories were a gratuitous waste of forest > > products. The insurance survey was a big bust. Reading between the lines, > > it seems the response from readers was a little "underwhelming." I know I > > didn't send mine in. :) > > I don't know about "underwhelming" being the problem. Way back when I was a > mathematics major, I took several Statistics courses, included "Sampling > Techniques" which teaches how to do a GOOD survey ... > > I think, once they realized that, they tried to salvage what they could, and > give some information, but didn't want to print out anything that could be > misleading with bad statistics. > > Just my two pennies worth, > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 18:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBKNfnO7013892; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:41:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBKNfno8013882; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:41:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E03ABFB.60FA3D50@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:47:07 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mechanical question References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220151629.00a6c720@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Unfortunately (well, kinda) I'm not at work. When I posted that I'd > probably have to rebuild the carbs on this bike, someone (I want to say > Matthew Patton but I'm not sure) said they might be available for help. > > While I'm not at the stage where physical help is needed, I do have some > questions. > > Basically I haven't been at this level of engine work in many years. When I > _did_ take the heads off, I wasn't able to get it back together and had to > junk the bike (it wasn't worth mucking with at the time). After a couple of > other mechanical missteps, I vowed to use a mechanic. > > Anyway, enough history. > > The bike is turning over but not starting. There is no smell of gas as I'd > expect. When I disconnect the gas tank and try to start the bike, I get no > suction at the fuel line. > > Question: Should I get suction or is it a gravity feed? > > I'm thinking that I'll have to strip down the carbs. From the diagrams, I > don't see it as being a gigantic issue. Keep track of parts, do things one > at a time, etc. Suggestions on what to use to clean the parts. > > I'm a bit tired so something may seem obvious. Go for it anyway. > > Thanks for any advice. > > Carl Gravity feed. Check for rust inside the gas tank. Older jap bikes were prone to rusty tanks if they were left empty, and aforementioned rust particles can clog the begeebers out of carbs. The bike may have CV carbs. If so they would have a diaphragm on the top of each carb and aforementioned diaphragm is very sensitive to carb cleaners. Treat them gently if you dissassemble, and check for pinholes and the like. Other than that, you have a handful of carbs so take one apart and clean it. If you forget how to put it back together, take #2 apart! You'll figure it out before you run of carbs :-) Oh yeah, and get a manual so you can set the float levels and adjustments. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 20:08:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBL18fO7018188; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:08:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBL18e7U018178; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:08:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021221010838.15485.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:08:38 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Rain Riding - quick survey (offlist!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220093817.0687fc20@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice to see the aggressive riders up there @ 21%! Glenn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 23:24:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBL4ONO7019623; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:24:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBL4OLo2019613; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:24:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: upholstery Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 04:24:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2002 04:24:14.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1BF9140:01C2A8A8] Chong's auto upholstery in Woodbridge rebuilds bike saddles. I've seen his work (on HD's) and it's nice. He can put designs in and all of that stuff. Might want to give him a shout, if you're so inclined. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 23:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBL4PKO7019662; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:25:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBL4PK6J019656; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:25:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kids do the darnest things Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 04:21:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2002 04:21:11.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[647B27C0:01C2A8A8] [Dave] I wore my m17 protective mask whilst driving home from active duty once... In my defense, I was attempting to see if the filters I'd installed in the entire unit's protective masks were operational. I did get some double takes ;-) Back when I was a young (16 or 17) I wrapped ACE bandages around my heads, put a fedora, sunglass and gloves on and rode around pretending to the the invisable man. Whew... glad I got that off my chest 8^| _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 20 23:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBL4TsO7020155; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:29:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBL4Trii020144; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:29:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Santa Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 04:29:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2002 04:29:46.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[97959FE0:01C2A8A9] Santa rides a Harley, Santa rides a Harley... and wears a "mask" while doing it. Santa! Yep, Santa was on a Fairfax County scoot, siren & lights, waving at the motorists and onlookers. Also in the semi-parade, a Frfx Couty Sheriffs car, the county police motor squad trailer, and of course, a gaggle of motorcops. I suspect they were making the rounds of the elementry schools. Santa on a scoot, kinda cool. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 09:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBLECVO7023791; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:12:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBLECSuO023781; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:12:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E04780B.B7991576@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:17:47 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: MCN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE te latest issue. Yes, the insurance articles were ho-hum, especially the one on rates. It tells us what we allready know, that some locales are expensive, some bikes are the insurnace s--tlist, and some riders get shafted. Bottom line, shop around. Above average bike reports? Clearly an opinion poll, and as always, what is average? From what I see on the market, most bikes are reasonably ridable and reasonably reliable. Sure, a Ricky Racer may find faults, but the to the *average* rider just about any bike is better than their skill level. I did like the article on Harley FLH alignment. But I just scanned it because all that info is provided in my Official Harley Davidson factory manual. Although the FLH wobbles were annoying at no time did I percieve them as dangerous. Just for giggles I changed suspension components and aligned my scoot as pre factory manual. Using the MCN article, FLH owners should be able to align their scoots, so MCN provided a useful service. I'd like to see more how-to articles. Both on riding skills and maintenance skills. Forget oil articles. Your owners manual designates what kind of oil you need to use, so use it, change it and the filter on schedule, and the bike will last laonger than you want it to. Meaning you'll have an overwhelming urge to wrap your thighs around a younger, prettier ride long before ol' reliable is ready for assisted living. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 09:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBLEOvO7024326; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:24:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBLEOvR1024314; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:24:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021221142449.64395.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Aftermarket Saddles. To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > Another item I've heard about Corbins on sportbikes - > it's more difficult > to hang off in the twisties. The wider, more contoured > seat makes it > difficult to move around. i've owned a bunch of corbins, have been extremely happy with each, and have not experienced any difficulties in this regard. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 10:09:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBLF93O7025000; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:09:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBLF92Hg024990; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:09:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021221150856.70983.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:08:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: aftermarket saddles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Adam Wah wrote: > I have a corbin... too hard. I hear Mustangs are okay. > But corbin goes > for the super density foam which after a tank starts > feeling like a rock. > Any ironbutts out there have any recommendations? for my tastes, the fact that corbins are firm helps for longer distances. -- tg (one ss1k; many, many 500+ mile days) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 12:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBLHZXO7026096; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:35:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBLHZKQw026081; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:35:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:35:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211235.AA219546112@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Negligent driver kills X-Mailer: Dear Editor, I'm responding to the article on Dec 19 about the driver of a 8,000 lb. truck that caused a six vehicle wreck and killed a man on a motorcycle. http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/4772961.htm This driver was driving 60 mph (88 feet per second) in 100-foot visibility fog when she caused the wrecks and the death. The driver's attorney is quoted as stating "It's a tragic traffic accident,'' but ``it's a risk that motorcyclists take.'' The attorney's cavalier attitude toward a negligent, killer driver is appalling. Would he blame a pedestrian for taking a risk by walking in public? Would he blame a jogger for being hit by a reckless driver? If it was a child killed would he blame the child for this adult's actions? I doubt it. This driver is an example of a deadly dangerous driver. A driver with no regard for the safety of anybody on our public roads. This driver should be banned from operating vehicles on our roads, after well-deserved jail time for her criminal negligence. Chris Norloff 508 N. West St. Falls Church, VA 22046 chris@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 18:12:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBLNCgO7028031; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:12:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBLNCf9U028021; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:12:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Merry Christmas Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:12:25 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c2a946$6da10830$1400a8c0@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021221150856.70983.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Santa has a new toy! http://www.route125.com/125/santa/santa.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 19:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM0MmO7030882; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:22:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM0MmTL030872; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:22:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Corbins Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:14:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2002 00:14:04.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[0981FEA0:01C2A94F] I did mention that after a tank of gas I thought it was too hard...which is 190 miles until reserve (old BMW). After that I have just about had it. I think perhaps it is not a matter of foam density but rather a lack of a sufficient amount of padding. It feels like I riding on the fiberglass seat mold. I've thought about putting something over the seat like a lamb skin or whatever, but haven't gotten around to it. Today was a great riding day and tomorrow looks promising. I need to burn through a tank and put the bike in the barn for fluid draining and winterizing. Until March that is. I used to put a little oil in the gas tank to keep the moisture down any other recommendations. I have always drained my tanks in the winter and left the cap off to evap any H2O. I thought I might try a little WD-40 in there or alcohol... my tank is factory coated (in 1978)but it still looks good. Bob's BMW said could hot coat my tank but they wanted $135 to do it. I've never used stableizer, 2 to 3 months seems like a long time to keep gas in there no matter what. aw _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 19:38:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM0cgO7031415; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:38:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM0cfFB031405; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:38:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <05eb01c2a94a$cd6a1230$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Corbins Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:43:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop018.verizon.net from [141.156.147.37] at Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:38:34 -0600 If you run a fresh tank of gas through your bike tomorrow........ you don't have to concern yourself with a gas problem in March. Total non-issue. Been storing bikes here for longer than you'd believe and never been a problem. 5-6-7 months it becomes a problem but not 2-3. Mike Cecchini Bethesda ******************************************************** > From: "Adam Wah" >Today was a great riding day and tomorrow looks promising. I need to burn > through a tank and put the bike in the barn for fluid draining and > winterizing. Until March that is. > I've never used stableizer, 2 to 3 months seems like a long time to keep gas > in there no matter what. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 20:33:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM1XaO7032153; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:33:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM1XZOO032143; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:33:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021222013333.61971.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: David Subject: Trickle Charger? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone know the best place to get a trickle charger without over paying? With my surgery, I haven't been on my cycle and the battery was dead when I went to fire it up today. guess It's time to invest in one, and I wonder what it's gonna cost me. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 20:43:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM1hxO7032672; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:43:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM1hxF3032664; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:43:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021222014356.5947.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Trickle Charger? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021222013333.61971.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You want an automatic "floating" charger, not a trickle charger. Here are some I found: This one is cheap but it doesn't come with a lead to permanently hook to your battery... http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=41288 I have several of these and they seem to work great. Still on the original battery on my 98 VFR... and it comes with two leads, one with alligator clips and one with connectors to hook right to the screws to your battery: http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=12516&categoryId=0 Glenn --- David wrote: > Anyone know the best place to get a trickle charger > without over paying? With my surgery, I haven't > been > on my cycle and the battery was dead when I went to > fire it up today. guess It's time to invest in one, > and I wonder what it's gonna cost me. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 22:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM3VbO7001201; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:31:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM3Vatu001191; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:31:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E053356.13E3C30B@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:36:54 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: t_gimer@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Corbins References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Wah wrote: > I did mention that after a tank of gas I thought it was too hard...which is > 190 miles until reserve (old BMW). After that I have just about had it. I > think perhaps it is not a matter of foam density but rather a lack of a > sufficient amount of padding. It feels like I riding on the fiberglass seat > mold. I've thought about putting something over the seat like a lamb skin > or whatever, but haven't gotten around to it. > > Today was a great riding day and tomorrow looks promising. I need to burn > through a tank and put the bike in the barn for fluid draining and > winterizing. Until March that is. > > I used to put a little oil in the gas tank to keep the moisture down any > other recommendations. I have always drained my tanks in the winter and > left the cap off to evap any H2O. I thought I might try a little WD-40 in > there or alcohol... my tank is factory coated (in 1978)but it still looks > good. Bob's BMW said could hot coat my tank but they wanted $135 to do it. > I've never used stableizer, 2 to 3 months seems like a long time to keep gas > in there no matter what. Hmmm... Back a buncha years, methinks BMW and Harley were the only OEMs who treated the tanks from the get-go to avoid rust probs. The japs suscribed to the philosophy, rust never sleeps, live with it. The two strategys are keep the tank FULL, add gas storage treatment, or empty tank and coat with heavy oil, which would require removing tank to roll the oil around. I just ride that dang bike of warmer days. Sort of like sex, use it or lose it... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 22:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM3ccO7001735; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:38:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM3ccj6001726; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:38:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E053501.8B82A29D@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:44:02 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trickle Charger? References: <20021222013333.61971.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David wrote: > Anyone know the best place to get a trickle charger > without over paying? With my surgery, I haven't been > on my cycle and the battery was dead when I went to > fire it up today. guess It's time to invest in one, > and I wonder what it's gonna cost me. Battery Tender (tm). About $50, comes with a pigtail to hook to the battery so you don't have to remove whatever to get at it, and a pigtail with mini-clamps to hook to othe rbatterys, like your buds who are to cheap to buy a Battery Tender. Hook it up and forget it. It will shoot a mild charge to the battery and go on moniter/coast phase when the battery is charged, and sneak a few juicys into the battery when needed. No boat/motorcycle owner should be without a Battery Tender. I may buy a couple more to keep my plethoria of toys lit up! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 21 23:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM4ElO7002357; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:14:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM4EkIq002349; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:14:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <066501c2a968$fbb3c230$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3E053356.13E3C30B@patriot.net> Subject: Was Corbins........now Gas tanks Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:19:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.147.37] at Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:14:36 -0600 Hmmmmm. Don't know what "buncha" years is exactly, but since 75 there's been no coating inside tanks. MC ************************** >From: "William J. Huson" > Hmmm... Back a buncha years, methinks BMW and >Harley were the only OEMs who treated the > tanks from the get-go to avoid rust probs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 22 01:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM6MsO7003388; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:22:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM6MsYA003377; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:22:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:23:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Trickle Charger? To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20021222013333.61971.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> <3E053501.8B82A29D@XXXXXX> In-Reply-To: <3E053501.8B82A29D@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My experience with Battery Tender has been mixed: bought one (5 year warranty) that died after three. Company replaced it, no hassle, with a rebuilt one, which also lasted three years. Have not replaced it again. These are 1.25 amp units. Also have/use Schumacher and Sears chargers, both over 10 years old (one automatic, one manual), 6 and 10 amp, no problems. I have new (for sale) 2 amp "Superior" smart chargers, rated #2 by MCN for $20 that seems to be pretty good (no returns) and their 0.5 amp not-so-smart charger that's $8. That one is flimsy. Check out the MCN charger-comparison articles (there are two, 2-3 years apart)---have useful info -garcia "My opinions may change, but not the fact that I'm right." David wrote: >> Anyone know the best place to get a trickle charger >> without over paying? With my surgery, I haven't been >> on my cycle and the battery was dead when I went to >> fire it up today. guess It's time to invest in one, >> and I wonder what it's gonna cost me. > Battery Tender (tm). About $50, comes with a pigtail to hook to the battery so you don't have to remove whatever to get at it, and a pigtail with mini-clamps to hook to othe rbatterys, like your buds who are to cheap to buy a Battery Tender. Hook it up and forget it. It will shoot a mild charge to the battery and go on moniter/coast phase when the battery is charged, and sneak a few juicys into the battery when needed. No boat/motorcycle owner should be without a Battery Tender. I may buy a couple more to keep my plethoria of toys lit up! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 22 01:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM6a6O7003926; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:36:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM6a5GS003916; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:36:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:36:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Virginia NMA Update To: mrc.engr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021219120447.06a30db8@mail.wheatintl.com> <0a4201c2a7e6$523fe130$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> In-Reply-To: <0a4201c2a7e6$523fe130$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Great! That gives me two votes already. The other one's from my mom---I'm her "favorite son" candidate. --garcia "No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: >Would you mind if I wrote in your name for President ? > >MC >**************************** >>From: "garcia oliver" >> Thank you. I don't care to be protected "for my own good" by the Nanny >> State from the consequences of my decisions when these consequences >> primarily affect me. >> >> This includes, but is not limited to, wearing seatbelts and helmets, >> ingesting dangerous chemicals such as are found in tobacco and >chocolate, >> and playing roulette, Russian and otherwise. Driving in PG county falls >> into a gray area. >> >> I mention in passing (on the left, of course) that almost half of >> automobile crash (disingenuously called "accidents") fatalities are due >to >> head injuries. So, in the interest of fairness, I think we should >insist >> on car helmet laws anywhere there are mc helmet laws. I have not yet >> looked into injuries linked to pedestrian deaths. Stay tuned. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 22 16:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBMLtOO7022026; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:55:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBMLtLrJ022011; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:55:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000801c2aa03$807573c0$676c5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: A bike wash place Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:45:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 This may be old news to some, but having bemoaned in the past about a lack of self-wash places close in to DC -- and being so impaired -- it's possible Santa's come through. Just found today an outside nozzle wash machine ($4) at the Exxon on NE corner of Rt50 & Patrick Henry Drive (just inbound from 7 Corners). Haven't tried it yet, but If they keep this working (another place has been spotty) it could be the answer to winter chemrot for me. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Be naughty. Save Santa a trip. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 22 18:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBMN3fO7022818; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:03:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBMN3eQ4022808; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:03:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007701c2aa0c$ff1215e0$676c5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: E-ZPass revisited Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:53:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Recalling some recent list controversy re EZP operation, this recently appeared (NYTimes). ". . .. The [windshield-mounted] boxes send radio signals to an antenna mounted above the E-ZPass lane at the tollbooth. The antenna electronically reads the information sent by the transponder. If the driver's prepaid E-ZPass account is in good standing, the vehicle is allowed to proceed through the tollbooth area and the toll is charged to the account. Small batteries inside the transponder power the box itself. They are not replaceable, however: dead batteries usually mean that the owner has to get a new transponder. The batteries for most E-ZPass transponder tags were designed to last for 10 years and are covered by a five-year warranty. There have been reports that some wireless phones - particularly the 1800-megahertz models using TDMA technology - can trigger the transponder tags and drain the E-ZPass batteries." Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I like to make easy passes. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. PS -- Dr. Gridlock recently ran URL's that skirt a new NJ $1/mo EZP surcharge: www.ezpassmd.com, www.ezpassdrba.com, www.e-zpassny.com. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 22 21:18:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBN2ITO7028486; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:18:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBN2ITU4028476; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:18:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002801c2aa29$847eaab0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , "DC-Cycles" References: <007701c2aa0c$ff1215e0$676c5c0c@micron> Subject: Re: E-ZPass revisited Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:17:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I still enjoy it, saves me time and money in my cage and my bike. I am not usually using my cell phone on my bike either. I haven't gotten the wiring for it yet. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: E-ZPass revisited > Recalling some recent list controversy re EZP operation, this recently > appeared (NYTimes). > > ". . .. The [windshield-mounted] boxes send radio signals to an antenna > mounted above the E-ZPass lane at the tollbooth. > The antenna electronically reads the information sent by the transponder. If > the driver's prepaid E-ZPass account is in good standing, the vehicle is > allowed to proceed through the tollbooth area and the toll is charged to the > account. > Small batteries inside the transponder power the box itself. They are not > replaceable, however: dead batteries usually mean that the owner has to get > a new transponder. > The batteries for most E-ZPass transponder tags were designed to last for 10 > years and are covered by a five-year warranty. There have been reports that > some wireless phones - particularly the 1800-megahertz models using TDMA > technology - can trigger the transponder tags and drain the E-ZPass > batteries." > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > I like to make easy passes. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > PS -- Dr. Gridlock recently ran URL's that skirt a new NJ $1/mo EZP > surcharge: www.ezpassmd.com, www.ezpassdrba.com, www.e-zpassny.com. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 22 23:48:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBN4mvO7029662; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:48:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBN4mu21029652; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:48:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008901c2aa3d$1c78c900$676c5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: A bike wash place Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:38:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Noted and appreciated. B. Paul Wilson proffered: Or you can come over to my place for a group bike wash... Have hose, will unfurl. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" > This may be old news to some, but having bemoaned in the past about a lack > of self-wash places close in to DC -- and being so impaired -- it's possible > Santa's come through. Just found today an outside nozzle wash machine ($4) > at the Exxon on NE corner of Rt50 & Patrick Henry Drive (just inbound from 7 > Corners). Haven't tried it yet, but If they keep this working (another > place has been spotty) it could be the answer to winter chemrot for me. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > Be naughty. Save Santa a trip. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 05:52:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNAq5O7032559; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:52:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNAq48V032549; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:52:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E06EC13.41DF2A62@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:57:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" CC: DC-Cycles , pawilson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A bike wash place References: <008901c2aa3d$1c78c900$676c5c0c@micron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson proffered: > Have hose, will unfurl. braggart! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 06:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNB7pO7001105; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:07:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNB7o1N001098; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:07:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mechanical question Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:07:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220151629.00a6c720@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <3E03ABFB.60FA3D50@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E03ABFB.60FA3D50@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02122306074009.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 20 December 2002 18:47, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Carl > > Gravity feed. Check for rust inside the gas tank. Older jap bikes were > prone to rusty tanks if they were left empty, and aforementioned rust > particles can clog the begeebers out of carbs. > Jeeze Louise. After I blotted some up with newspaper, I had to sweep up the rust. Check http://www.schelin.org/chopper for new pictures; rusty gas and lacquer'd carbs. > The bike may have CV carbs. If so they would have a diaphragm on the top > of each carb and aforementioned diaphragm is very sensitive to carb > cleaners. Treat them gently if you dissassemble, and check for pinholes and > the like. Other than that, you have a handful of carbs so take one apart > and clean it. If you forget how to put it back together, take #2 apart! > You'll figure it out before you run of carbs :-) > > Oh yeah, and get a manual so you can set the float levels and adjustments. > The on-line manual at www.hondachopper.com has lots of good stuff as does the one at... www.sohc4.com? There's a link on hondachopper to it. I stopped by the local Honda place and they said they could get a Clymer 750 manual in early January. > Bill Thanks, Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 06:17:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNBHaO7002100; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:17:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNBHaeg002091; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:17:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding - quick survey (offlist!) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:17:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220093817.0687fc20@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220093817.0687fc20@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212230617330A.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 20 December 2002 09:53, Troutman wrote: > I put together a quickie survey for the DC cycles crowd. > > http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/15102567.html > > My main curiosity involved riding in the rain, and I decided to squeeze a > little more info out of you. After you answer, the results are here: > > http://www.opinionpower.com/results.cgi?id=15102567 > Interesting. There are just as many people who disagree that they are under 30 as who agree that they are 30 or over. I chose the first, "do you park in a garage" as for home and the second, "do you park on the street" as at work. So both are "agree" for me. The coldest I remember it being was 17 in Georgia back in March. Possibly the brain cells have died that remembered anything colder so I checked everying from 10 above. That'll probably change this year though. There'll probably need to be some definitions of the different styles listed and maybe some percentage. For example, commuting offensive/defensive would only be valid during commuting. I'd consider myself mostly commuter defensive since most of the miles is riding to work. However there are times, maybe 10% where I'm commuting offensive. And of course, you missed touring aggressive entirely. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 09:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNEJrO7003945; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:19:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNEJqKZ003935; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:19:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E071B0F.35760CA0@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:17:51 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: Re: Bad for the Citizens, Good for the Coffers] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got this from my representative... yay, one on my side! :~) Skip -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Bad for the Citizens, Good for the Coffers Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:00:12 -0500 From: "Delegate Dick Black" To: "Skip Smith" References: <3E02016D.6B017777@tasam.com> Dear Skip: I agree completely. I've always opposed such measures and will continue to do so. Merry Christmas! Dick Colonel Richard H. Black (Ret.) Virginia House of Delegates 32nd District www.DelegateBlack.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Bad for the Citizens, Good for the Coffers > Sir, > > I am writing you to share my opinion about some legislation that has > been proposed. > > Instituting a primary seatbelt law has been proposed . While I fully > support wearing seatbelts, I find the removal of the freedom of > individual choice offensive. I look at it as being similar to the > Motorcycle helmet law. It should be a personal choice, not something > that is legally mandated. > > It has also been proposed to create transportation safety corridors with > enhanced penalties. This will not make the roads safer; it will only > serve to increase the revenue that the State police bring in to the > General Fund. I find the use of police and courts as a source of > revenue to be a deplorable abuse of the power granted to the > government. I propose that all funds taken in by the courts in excess > of what is necessary to operate be returned to the citizens who have not > been convicted of a crime that year. That, to me, is a fair method. > Violators of the law are still punished, and the law-abiding citizens of > the Commonwealth benefit. > > Regards, > > Arthur C Smith, IV > 733 Sugarland Run Dr > Sterling, VA. 20164-1118 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 09:33:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNEXlO7004951; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:33:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNEXlqH004941; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:33:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6ADE@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Negligent driver kills Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:33:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone have the ability to search the Californai bar listings? I'd like to make sure this is the attorney. If so emails from everyone on this list and any others out there might convince hime what a pig he is. http://www.louisgoodman.law.net/ Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC Dear Editor, I'm responding to the article on Dec 19 about the driver of a 8,000 lb. truck that caused a six vehicle wreck and killed a man on a motorcycle. http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/4772961.htm This driver was driving 60 mph (88 feet per second) in 100-foot visibility fog when she caused the wrecks and the death. The driver's attorney is quoted as stating "It's a tragic traffic accident,'' but ``it's a risk that motorcyclists take.'' The attorney's cavalier attitude toward a negligent, killer driver is appalling. Would he blame a pedestrian for taking a risk by walking in public? Would he blame a jogger for being hit by a reckless driver? If it was a child killed would he blame the child for this adult's actions? I doubt it. This driver is an example of a deadly dangerous driver. A driver with no regard for the safety of anybody on our public roads. This driver should be banned from operating vehicles on our roads, after well-deserved jail time for her criminal negligence. Chris Norloff 508 N. West St. Falls Church, VA 22046 chris@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 10:15:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNFFZO7006163; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:15:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNFFZcH006153; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:15:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002601c2aa96$73fef420$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Skip Smith" , "DC Cycles" References: <3E071B0F.35760CA0@tasam.com> Subject: Re: Re: Bad for the Citizens, Good for the Coffers] Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:17:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 What we really need to go to work on is the federal seatbelt law. Most of the "secondary enforcement" state seatbelt statutes are "work arounds" due to a federal mandate that threatened withholding of highway funds if the states didn't play ball. Before its repeal at the federal level, many states had helmet laws on the books for the same reason. Lately, open container laws have been changed at the state level for the same reason. For those of us that take principles of federalism seriously, federal meddling in traffic laws is troubling development, even when it is done with good intentions in the name of "safety." Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Smith" > Got this from my representative... > > yay, one on my side! :~) > > > Skip > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Bad for the Citizens, Good for the Coffers > Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:00:12 -0500 > From: "Delegate Dick Black" > To: "Skip Smith" > References: <3E02016D.6B017777@XXXXXX> > > Dear Skip: > > I agree completely. I've always opposed such measures and will continue > to > do so. > > Merry Christmas! > > Dick > > Colonel Richard H. Black (Ret.) > Virginia House of Delegates > 32nd District > www.DelegateBlack.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Smith" > > > Sir, > > > > I am writing you to share my opinion about some legislation that has > > been proposed. > > > > Instituting a primary seatbelt law has been proposed . ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 10:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNFQaO7007154; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:26:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNFQYBL007139; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:26:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021223152617.85734.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:26:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: FW: Negligent driver kills To: bernescut@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is from the LDRiders, it includes the "Form" response that Mr. Goodman sent to e-mails that were sent to him. His contact info at the end matches the information in the weblink Cedric asked about. Louis Caplan (not pleased to share the same first name with this guy) > here is the response to my letter to Louis J. Goodman. > chuck h > > > > > > >From: "Louis J.Goodman" > >To: CHUCK HICKEY > >Subject: Re: Are you kidding? > >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:09:56 -0800 (PST) > > > >Dear Mr. Hickey: > > > >I made my comment out of utmost respect for the victim > >in this case and sympathy for his family, and as > >someone who has held a valid motorcycle license for > >many years, and has ridden thousands of miles. > > > >Last year, after a friend was seriously injured in an > >accident which was through no fault of his own, I > >chose to sell my bike and have no intentions of buying > >another. That is a loss, but because of the dreadful > >realities of road fatalities and the underscoring of > >those realities by circumstances such as the case in > >which I am now involved, I think that is the only > >rational thing for me to do. I respect those who see > >it differently. > > > >The problem is that the world is not as it should be, > >people drive in precisely the way you have described, > >and the motorcycle rider is by definition more exposed > >to injury and death. My full comments to the reporter > >outlined my thoughts, of course, I have no control > >over what is actually published in the paper. > > > >I hope you will forgive any insensitive implications > >on my part, as I have nothing but sympathy for this > >man's family, and concern for the riding public I have > >personally chosen to leave behind. > > > >Thank you for taking the time to contact me. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Louis J. Goodman > > > > > >===== > >Louis J. Goodman > >Attorney at Law > >1290 "B" Street, Suite 307 > >Hayward, California 94541 > >510.582.9090 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 11:13:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNGDlO7008934; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:13:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNGDl9t008925; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:13:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Adam Wah'" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Santa Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:13:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Santa rides a gixxer that's how he can cover the earth in one night without a stop for repairs. LOL Just kidding. Have a great holiday everyone. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Wah [mailto:hotrivet@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:30 PM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Santa Santa rides a Harley, Santa rides a Harley... and wears a "mask" while doing it. Santa! Yep, Santa was on a Fairfax County scoot, siren & lights, waving at the motorists and onlookers. Also in the semi-parade, a Frfx Couty Sheriffs car, the county police motor squad trailer, and of course, a gaggle of motorcops. I suspect they were making the rounds of the elementry schools. Santa on a scoot, kinda cool. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=747 4&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspampr otection_3mf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 11:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNGUdO7009940; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:30:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNGUcM3009930; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:30:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:24:57 -0500 Subject: For Sale: Toyota Tercel Wagon $300 Message-ID: <20021223.112458.-773017.8.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-9,12-13,15-16,19-31,33,35,37 From: Tom Fitzpatrick For Sale: 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon $300 Replacing my spare car with a spare van, so I want this gone by the weekend. If not sold, I will donate it to a charity. Location? Near Potomac Mills/Dale City, near the intersection of Smoketown and Minnieville Roads. 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon, 4 door, cast wheels, decent appearance, blue. Runs, was used as a backup spare car, and the car to go to the commuter lot until I got another. Now, I just use it to go to the home depot or take the dog places. The right CV joint could use replacement, and it seems that the choke is sticking when cold. The front brakes were good at the last inspection, but the rear's were borderline. Passed. Driven very little since then, so I would expect them to be near the same. Tires have good tread, but were el-cheapo tires from Sam's or BJ's. Exhaust is one or two years old. Automatic transmission, am/fm radio. AC lost its freon a long time ago. That's about it. Tom (703) 670-5525 Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 12:05:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNH59O7011073; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:05:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNH59UQ011063; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:05:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:05:40 -0500 Subject: on-line manuals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi...has anyone run across a list of links to websites that have viewable on-line manuals and/or parts lists? I've seen a few individual sites, but no systemic list. Thanks. --garcia "All of us are smarter than any of us." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 12:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNHWRO7012117; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:32:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNHWQxH012107; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:32:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021223122931.0222fe88@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:32:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: on-line manuals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:05 PM 12/23/2002, you wrote: >Hi...has anyone run across a list of links to websites that have viewable >on-line manuals and/or parts lists? I've seen a few individual sites, but >no systemic list. As someone who hosts 90+ VFR manuals (owners, parts, fiche) I hope no one links to mine. When they do, I have to move them. An Italian group found them and swamped my server. I get free hosting as long as my server stays under the radar, so I keep a close eye on it. Of course - I watch the radar, but just the same... Anyway - Since it is generally illegal to scan the manuals and host them, not many people want to be linked to. Does anyone else think Diet Coke with Lemon tastes like pledge? Maybe I can use it to clean my chain. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Peace on Earth to men of good will. All others stand by." - broadcast from the USS Harry S. Truman 12-5-02 as the battle group left for the Persian Gulf. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 12:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNHlJO7013106; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:47:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBNHlJAE013096; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:47:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:47:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212231247.AA154534468@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Lemon Pledge X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Does anyone else think Diet Coke with Lemon tastes like pledge? Maybe I >can use it to clean my chain. Uh ... how do you know what Pledge tastes like? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 23 12:51:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBNHp8