From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 08:04:48 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more To: Tom Fitzpatrick , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > If I had to have warranty work done on my Honda in > this area, I would > take it to Manassas Honda and ask that Mike Sheleen > work on it. Same > thing with buying a new Honda in this area. I would > buy it from them. > They are good people. > > Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing Back in 1996 I went to Manassas Honda looking for an F3, I asked how much they were selling for, I was quoted the MSRP. I said knew what the listed price was but what would they sell it for. I got the run around for awhile then finally he said he could probably come down a few hundred. I asked if they would match another dealers price, he said "Sure". When I told him Shenandoah Honda was selling them for about $800 below list, he said he would not match it. "OK" says I, I don't mind driving 50 miles for $500. Went back to Shenandoah Honda last spring and bought my VTR for what Manassas Honda wanted to sell me an F3 for in 1996. Plus they threw in $100 worth of accessories and everything I buy there is 20% off since I bought the bikie there. They made a diehard customer out of me. I bought my leathers and my Cordura stuff through them. It is the only dealership I have been in where I get a friendly smile as opposed to a predatory grin from the salesman. Just my experience. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 08:15:53 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more To: Todd Withrow , Tom Fitzpatrick , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Where is this dealership located? Glenn --- Todd Withrow wrote: > Shenandoah Honda was selling them for about $800 > below > list, he said he would not match it. "OK" says I, I > don't mind driving 50 miles for $500. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 08:43:04 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:44:28 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: power sprayer for painting --------------DC02BA3397F1C8112B738379 Matthew Patton wrote: > Anyone here do their own painting? I'm looking to borrow a air driven paint sprayer to paint a small piece or two. Anyone have some stock of Urethane reducer on hand? I got some stuff from Color-Rite but apparently not everything I needed. I think I'm going to try to weazle the actual color codes (Dupont/PPG) out of Honda so next time I don't have to pay such rediculous prices... > > Matthew, I don't have a sprayer or painting accessories, but at the Color Rite web site they have paint codes. Maybe the ones you want. They're at: http://www.color-rite.com/index.cfm Click on Paint Application guides at the bottom of the page. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org --------------DC02BA3397F1C8112B738379  

Matthew Patton wrote:

Anyone here do their own painting? I'm looking to borrow a air driven paint sprayer to paint a small piece or two. Anyone have some stock of Urethane reducer on hand? I got some stuff from Color-Rite but apparently not everything I needed. I think I'm going to try to weazle the actual color codes (Dupont/PPG) out of Honda so next time I don't have to pay such rediculous prices...
 
 
Matthew,
                I don't have a sprayer or painting accessories, but at the Color Rite web site they have paint codes. Maybe the ones you want. They're at:

http://www.color-rite.com/index.cfm

Click on Paint Application guides at the bottom of the page.

Steven C. Di Pietro
Assistant National Director
Suzuki Owners Club USA
http://www.soc-usa.org
 
  --------------DC02BA3397F1C8112B738379-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 09:15:31 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:15:42 -0500 Winchester, on Rt. 7 at I-81. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" > Where is this dealership located? > > Glenn > > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > > Shenandoah Honda was selling them for about $800 > > below > > list, he said he would not match it. "OK" says I, I > > don't mind driving 50 miles for $500. > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 09:24:05 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Todd Withrow wrote: > Back in 1996 I went to Manassas Honda looking for an F3, I asked how > much they were selling for, I was quoted the MSRP. SNIP I've got a better story. On the way back from Ohio I stopped in at the dealership in Hagerstown to get a headlight bulb (mine had blown out on the way and it was getting dark). They had both a used KLX and a new KLX sitting on the floor. I asked what they were selling the used KLX for and they quoted me a pretty high price (over $4k). Then I asked what they retail for and the guy says $4699. Then I asked him what they would sell the new one for - $5199 (or something like that, above MSRP). I stood there waiting for the punchline which never came. So, I turned around and walked out. I was decked out in my aerostich, carrying a $300 helmet, on a new bike with $500 worth of luggage, etc. I looked like someone who spends a significant chunk of $$$s on bike stuff. Within a couple months I had a new KLX (from another dealer, duh) and a KE100. Shortly after that my brother also bought a new KLX. I would've been happy to have bought both KLXs (and the KE100 they had as well) off the floor at the Hagerstown dealership if they would've acted decently. I never did write the "in your face" letter to them... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 09:33:02 2000 To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:27:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-11,15-16,20-21,23-24,26-27,29 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:04:38 -0800 (PST) Todd Withrow writes: > > Went back to Shenandoah Honda last spring and bought > my VTR for what Manassas Honda wanted to sell me an F3 > for in 1996. > Todd > > ===== That's great. I'm glad it worked out for you. But it is difficult to compare prices between the rent and labor market in Northern Virginia, to the rent and labor market 50 miles away. To say nothing of the supply and demand. I wish I could make what I make living and working up there. I live less than 2 miles from the former Coleman's at Potomac Mills. But if I need to go to a Honda dealer, I go to Manassas Honda because they are so much better. For everything that I don't need a dealer for, I go to Rick, of course. Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS AM#806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) ******SUPER SALE!!! ALL IN-STOCK ITEMS ARE 15% OVER COST DEC. 1&2******; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 10:35:42 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:35:21 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Beck Subject: Timonium races To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Does anyone on the list know if the indoor races in Timonium Maryland are still being held at the Fairgrounds in Timonium MD. They use to have them during the month of December. I think it was a Baltimore club that sponsored them. Steve Beck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 10:44:12 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Amtrak Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:43:01 -0500 I vaguely recall someone on the list posting a description of the Amtrak service for taking your bike with you on a trip. Anyone had any experience with this service? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 11:11:06 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:09:48 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: VFR frontend opinions X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.31 Content-Language: en Those of you who ride VFR's, what is your opinion of the front brakes and fork/springs? Is it a good handling setup as is? The unit I"m looking at is from a '95 or '96 750cc version. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 11:11:17 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:11:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Timonium races On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Steve Beck wrote: > Does anyone on the list know if the indoor races in Timonium Maryland > are still being held at the Fairgrounds in Timonium MD. They use to > have them during the month of December. I think it was a Baltimore > club that sponsored them. Aye, check it out: http://www.bctra.com/ Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 11:22:37 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:15:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more To: Tom Fitzpatrick Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Coleman's has been sold for quite a while now. It is Powerride or > Powersports or some such. Yep, it used to be Coleman Poser Sport. Now it's Poserride Sport. :) Same crap dealer, different name. > If I had to have warranty work done on my Honda in this area, I would > take it to Manassas Honda and ask that Mike Sheleen work on it. Same > thing with buying a new Honda in this area. I would buy it from them. > They are good people. Also note that Manassas Honda is really Manassas Honda/Kawasaki. They do good work on Kawasaki's, too. I've had good experiences with them (backordered parts notwithstanding...) Actually, BugSlayer is at MHK today, the oil cooler finally arrived from Japan. Hopefully this will solve the problems I've been having. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 11:32:42 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:31:53 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: MC paint matching X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.31 Content-Language: en I've been talking to various parties and assuming Color-Rite isn't telling fibs, they are apparently the ONLY company that makes MC body colors? They don't have any PPG/Dupont cross-over codes. And they insisted that Honda Corporate buys all of their paint from them. Can that really be true? Talk about sitting pretty with a monopoly position. Frankly I'm surprised Dupont or PPG hasn't weighed in on the market and offer their vastly wider capabilities to MC manufacturers. What does Honda Japan use for paint? Or Triumph or anybody else. Anyone know? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 11:45:13 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: WTB: Race YSR Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:46:29 -0800 Before I go up to Pennsylvania or further, does anyone on this list have a Yamaha YSR50 for sale or know someone who does? Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 11:48:27 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: the.horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Coleman's is Coleman's no more Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:47:49 -0500 The Kawasaki sales license seems to have been lost in the transfer from Coleman's to Powerride (or sometime thereabouts). Maybe that's why Manassas Honda picked up the Kawa dealership as well. I just bought my new KLR from Freestate (near FedEx Field in Maryland), and thus far have few complaints about the process. The 500 mile service was quick and relatively reasonably priced (the cost was less than the estimate by $20). Who knows whether my positive impressions are based on the slow winter season being upon us, but so far, so good. Besides Kawasaki, Freestate also has (and this is from memory, so don't quote me) Suzuki and Honda, and KTM, if I'm not mistaken. Erik KLR650 A15 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:16 AM To: Tom Fitzpatrick Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Coleman's has been sold for quite a while now. It is Powerride or > Powersports or some such. Yep, it used to be Coleman Poser Sport. Now it's Poserride Sport. :) Same crap dealer, different name. > If I had to have warranty work done on my Honda in this area, I would > take it to Manassas Honda and ask that Mike Sheleen work on it. Same > thing with buying a new Honda in this area. I would buy it from them. > They are good people. Also note that Manassas Honda is really Manassas Honda/Kawasaki. They do good work on Kawasaki's, too. I've had good experiences with them (backordered parts notwithstanding...) Actually, BugSlayer is at MHK today, the oil cooler finally arrived from Japan. Hopefully this will solve the problems I've been having. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 12:05:48 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:04:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Kawasaki dealers was: Coleman's is Coleman's no more Many local Kawasaki dealers lost their license when they were bought by corporations. Both Coleman and Cycle Sport lost their Kawi status do to this. By-the-by, there's a new Kawasaki dealer on Rt. 606, right before you get into Herndon. Their right on Douglas ct., next to D&B Rentals. I've bought parts from them so far, and they've been very nice to deal with. Rhoads Cycles is their name, I believe. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 12:15:59 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:15:51 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" , Subject: Re: Amtrak I haven't, but a friend came up from Florida that way. Said it was a good way to go. Sleeping in the seats isn't great, but beds cost more. http://www.amtrak.com/trip/autotrain.html Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Cedric Bernescut" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:43:01 -0500 >I vaguely recall someone on the list posting a description of the Amtrak >service for taking your bike with you on a trip. Anyone had any experience >with this service? > >Cedric >1996 CBR600F3 >Annandale, VA > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 12:20:13 2000 Subject: RE: Coleman's is Coleman's no more To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:19:51 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 12/01/2000 12:19:56 PM James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGCR - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX ----- Forwarded by James Itabashi/Person/World Bank on 12/01/2000 12:19 PM ----- James Itabashi To: Eschelzig@XXXXXX 12/01/2000 cc: 12:11 PM Subject: RE: Coleman's is Coleman's no more(Document link: James Itabashi) 81697 ISGCR The reason Powerride lost Kaw is that no company that is publicly traded can carry/sell Kawawsaki. When Powerride bought Colman they didn't know this and therefore lost the line, the idiots did not research this before buying Coleman. This happened to them to a couple of other dealerships they bought. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGCR - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX eschelzig@icij. org To: The.Horkster@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX cc: 12/01/2000 Subject: RE: Coleman's is Coleman's no more 11:47 AM The Kawasaki sales license seems to have been lost in the transfer from Coleman's to Powerride (or sometime thereabouts). Maybe that's why Manassas Honda picked up the Kawa dealership as well. I just bought my new KLR from Freestate (near FedEx Field in Maryland), and thus far have few complaints about the process. The 500 mile service was quick and relatively reasonably priced (the cost was less than the estimate by $20). Who knows whether my positive impressions are based on the slow winter season being upon us, but so far, so good. Besides Kawasaki, Freestate also has (and this is from memory, so don't quote me) Suzuki and Honda, and KTM, if I'm not mistaken. Erik KLR650 A15 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:16 AM To: Tom Fitzpatrick Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Coleman's has been sold for quite a while now. It is Powerride or > Powersports or some such. Yep, it used to be Coleman Poser Sport. Now it's Poserride Sport. :) Same crap dealer, different name. > If I had to have warranty work done on my Honda in this area, I would > take it to Manassas Honda and ask that Mike Sheleen work on it. Same > thing with buying a new Honda in this area. I would buy it from them. > They are good people. Also note that Manassas Honda is really Manassas Honda/Kawasaki. They do good work on Kawasaki's, too. I've had good experiences with them (backordered parts notwithstanding...) Actually, BugSlayer is at MHK today, the oil cooler finally arrived from Japan. Hopefully this will solve the problems I've been having. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 12:25:59 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:25:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Amtrak To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I vaguely recall someone on the list posting a description of the Amtrak >service for taking your bike with you on a trip. Anyone had any experience >with this service? Friend of mine did it a couple of times. Make sure you take a tank bag, or something detachable, as once they load the bike up, you can't access it until they unload at the destination. One time they didn't strap his bike to the platform correctly, and it fell over during the trip. Took a lot of "discussion" but they finally coughed up the dough for the repairs. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 12:29:37 2000 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Amtrak Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:22:00 -0500 That would be Amtrak's AutoTrain service between Lorton and Sanford, (near Orlando) FL. There are no intermediate stops on this overnight trip. Bikes roll on and off the railroad cars. Not sure who rides or pushes them (you I hope) since Amtrak personnel drive the cars on and off. They are also tied down in some fashion and bikes ride for considerably less than cars. They go "wet", so no draining of fluids, etc. You, as a passenger have either coach, economy sleeper or deluxe sleeper options. Amtrak did haul some bikes last summer from Boston to Minot, ND, jumping off point for Sturgis. In that case they were palleted and hauled in baggage cars. That was a one time deal. At present only the Lorton-Sanford service is offered. www.amtrak.com website shows fares for motorcycles on the AutoTrain. Hope that helps. I have not used the bike service, but the family used the AutoTrain on a car trip many years ago. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail) Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: Amtrak > I vaguely recall someone on the list posting a description of the Amtrak > service for taking your bike with you on a trip. Anyone had any experience > with this service? > > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > Annandale, VA > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 13:28:30 2000 To: the.horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:22:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Coleman's is Coleman's no more X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,8-9,11-49,51-52,54-55,57 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Actually, Coleman Sr. no longer owns it, and if any Coleman is still involved in "management", it is at the Falls Church location. Although the renaisance that I had hoped for with the change in management did not come to pass, these are new people, making the same old mistakes. A lot of good people left - many to Manassas Honda, as an example. Coleman's is an interesting story. I hope that someday I build a motorcycle shop on top of the equivalent of a future Ballston Metro Station. On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:15:47 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: > Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > Coleman's has been sold for quite a while now. It is Powerride or > > Powersports or some such. > > Yep, it used to be Coleman Poser Sport. Now it's Poserride Sport. > :) > Same crap dealer, different name. > > > If I had to have warranty work done on my Honda in this area, I > would > > take it to Manassas Honda and ask that Mike Sheleen work on it. > Same > > thing with buying a new Honda in this area. I would buy it from > them. > > They are good people. > > Also note that Manassas Honda is really Manassas Honda/Kawasaki. > They > do good work on Kawasaki's, too. I've had good experiences with > them > (backordered parts notwithstanding...) > > Actually, BugSlayer is at MHK today, the oil cooler finally arrived > from Japan. Hopefully this will solve the problems I've been > having. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) > 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS AM#806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) ******SUPER SALE!!! ALL IN-STOCK ITEMS ARE 15% OVER COST DEC. 1&2******; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 14:06:41 2000 From: Jonathan.Kalmes@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Amtrak Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:05:12 -0500 Looks like the person loading would be you. :) Taken directly from Amtrak's site: "A limited number of spaces are also available to transport motorcycles. Only standard, factory-model two-wheel motorcycles can be accepted. We cannot carry motorcycles with side cars. Passengers assist in securing and removing their motorcycles." http://www.amtrak.com/trip/autospecial.html --smthng '95 Yamaha YZF 600 - "Funbike" '96 Honda Shadow ACE 1100 - "Comfy slug" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 14:17:12 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Amtrak Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:17:46 -0500 That would be even better, wouldn't it? I wouldn't want some idiot loading my bike. I have used them before to transport the car. They just drive it right in the boxcar. Same with a cycle I'm sure. > Looks like the person loading would be you. :) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 14:34:46 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: MD 20 20 Open... To: DC-Cycles Mason Dixon 20 * 20 registration is now open. http://www.MasonDixon20-20.org/ Please notice on the entry form page, to register by APRIL 16,2001, this is to ensure that we will have your shirt at registration. "IF" you register after that we can't guarantee your shirt will be at the rally "BUTT" you will still receive the same shirt and other goodies only several weeks later. We are doing everything possible to make this a challenging and rewarding rally to those that choose to enter, regardless of rally experience level. Hint: this rally is being designed to level the playing field from the BIG DOG w/GPS and fuel cells to the rookie w/stock tank and paper maps. Other than AAA maps, a DELORME or ADC state map book may be useful. Good Luck to All, Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 14:49:36 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:49:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Annual Cycle Sport Toy Run To: DC-Cycles Hi folks, it's time for my annual plug for the Cycle Sport Toy run. The ride is on Saturday, December 9th. This is a ride that starts from the two Cycle Sport stores (one in Herndon, and one in Springfield). We meet at the stores, gather, up, then ride into Washington DC to a location where the Salvation Army is stocking up toys. These toys are then given out to families that need assistance to have an enjoyable holiday time. >From the phone call I received recently, the information is as follows: Meet at your nearest Cycle Sport Dealership between 10:00 - 11:00 am. (In the past, donuts and coffee have been served). At 11:00 am, the group will ride together into DC. Some years the group stays together better than others, but no one has ever gotten lost that I know of. We ride to "Toyland" where the Salvation Army is located (Varies year to year, depending on where they can get cheap space) and bring in our UNWRAPPED toys. We usually get a 5 minute "Thank you / Who we are / What we do" type speech from the guy heading up the operation, sometimes a tour is offered, as well as coffee, donuts, etc. Some years NBC 4 has been there to tape us leaving. Some years we park in a parking lot, other years we fill up the street, then the sidewalk! Some years have been chilly, some years downright COLD. But you always get that warm feeling when you leave. I do not work for Cycle Sports nor the Salvation Army. I don't even celebrate Christmas. (I'm a Hanukkah kinda guy) But I have done this ride every year since I got my motorcycle and hope some of you will be able to as well. For further information, call your nearest Cycle Sport Store. Springfield: (703) 451-9330 Herndon: (703) 471-6990 Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 15:54:20 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:53:54 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: Sales Alert: Fastlane cycles X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.31 Content-Language: en Everything you can lay your eyes on is 15% over cost today and tomorrow. A sampling of the savings: Honda oil filters: 6.19 each (was 11.00) Honda clutch lever (for you NH riders): 2.53 (was 8.95) DID 525 ERV (x-ring chain, top of the line): 135.70 (was 175) Chain Wax (big can): 4.66 (was 7.26) Fair selection of Joe Rocket leather, SIDI boots, etc. If you want me to pick up anything (3 miles from my office) then drop me a line. Unless you're a CB-750 member, call them yourself and order. I might be able to pick the merchandise up for you and ferry it home to Springfield. You'll have to find me there to get it. CB-750 members, I'll ship it to you or if you're in Northern VA, we can meet some place. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 16:13:53 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:09:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Sales Alert: Fastlane cycles To: pattonme@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Matthew Patton wrote: > Honda oil filters: 6.19 each (was 11.00) Hmm, 15% over cost means that this part is only $5.38. Anyone concerned about a dealer charging you 100% markup on a part? > Honda clutch lever (for you NH riders): 2.53 (was 8.95) Likewise, $2.20. 300% markup. > DID 525 ERV (x-ring chain, top of the line): 135.70 (was 175) Likewise, $118 > Chain Wax (big can): 4.66 (was 7.26) $4.05 Looks like I'll be sticking to mail order... :( Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 16:43:47 2000 To: "Dale Horstman" Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:43:28 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: Re: Sales Alert: Fastlane cycles X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.31 Content-Language: en I don't have a DennisKirk catalogue in front of me. but having ordered these selfsame parts from them before I know for a fact that Fastlane is cheaper this time around. Competition Accessories wants $8 for the oil filter for example. And most DK filters are $8 and up (I can't tell what is compariable without a chart). Actually DK wants $192 for the same chain. I'll stick with Fastlane for these products. Sure mail-order can be cheaper. sometimes by a lot. But I have no qualms support Rick and Co. when they are this good. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 18:31:51 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:02:27 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Dale Horstman CC: pattonme@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sales Alert: Fastlane cycles Yes, Dale, stick to mail order and never, EVER consider going into the retail business, With any luck, the next toime you bust a critical part many miles from home port some *greedy* bugger who is selling said $10 part that cost him/her $5 in an effort to cover the $25/$50 per square foot nut on his/her store (+ licenses, wages, insurance etc) will still be in business. Then you won't have to hang out at the East Bugsplat bus station for six days waiting for the mail order delevary! Bill Dale Horstman wrote: > Matthew Patton wrote: > > > Honda oil filters: 6.19 each (was 11.00) > > Hmm, 15% over cost means that this part is only $5.38. Anyone > concerned about a dealer charging you 100% markup on a part? > > > Honda clutch lever (for you NH riders): 2.53 (was 8.95) > > Likewise, $2.20. 300% markup. > > > DID 525 ERV (x-ring chain, top of the line): 135.70 (was 175) > > Likewise, $118 > > > Chain Wax (big can): 4.66 (was 7.26) > > $4.05 > > Looks like I'll be sticking to mail order... :( > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) > 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 18:58:38 2000 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Sales Alert: Fastlane cycles Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:53:05 -0500 I support local shops if they've got decent, near mail order prices and good customer service and treat me as an intelligent human who's not there to be ripped off. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I like buying things in person. A mail order joint in Ohio isn't going to get my bike back on the road in time for a Sunday ride when it's Saturday morning and I need a critical part. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson > Yes, Dale, stick to mail order and never, EVER consider going into the > retail business, With any luck, the next toime you bust a critical part > many miles from home port some *greedy* bugger who is selling said $10 > part that cost him/her $5 in an effort to cover the $25/$50 per square > foot nut on his/her store (+ licenses, wages, insurance etc) will still > be in business. Then you won't have to hang out at the East Bugsplat > bus station for six days waiting for the mail order delevary! > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 21:40:51 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:40:24 -0800 (PST) From: Arlington Subject: re: Amtrak Autotrain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For a detailed write-up of taking the autotrain w/moto, see http://www.verrill.com/tripreports/Florida97/DaytonaOnTheAutotrain.htm BTW, this is a wonderful m-cycling site by a local guy (who is unfortunately laid-up as a result of a crash on the Del. Memorial Bridge). -Aaron ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 2 07:27:36 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gsxr swap ability Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 07:28:55 -0800 anyone know if the 99 gsxr 600 and the 96-99 gsxr 750 have the same fork diameter? (or if the tripple trees can be swapped?) I have two wrecked gsxr's, one rear end, one front end... so i'm trying to see if I can have a 600 front end on a 750. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 2 13:41:33 2000 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 13:38:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Bill Huson CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sales Alert: Fastlane cycles Bill Huson wrote: > > Yes, Dale, stick to mail order and never, EVER consider going into the > retail business, I was just under the impression that a 15% profit margin was doing pretty good, evidently that isn't the case for motorcycle dealerships.... I got the same sales flyer. It just didn't sound like much of a 'sale' to me. Whatever. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (her's too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G - (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 2 15:01:59 2000 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 14:58:25 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sales Alert: Fastlane cycles Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > Yes, Dale, stick to mail order and never, EVER consider going into the > > retail business, > > I was just under the impression that a 15% profit margin was doing > pretty good, evidently that isn't the case for motorcycle > dealerships.... No way. Grcery stores can opperate on a 15% to 18% gross profit margin because they turn over the merchendise about 28 X a year, meaaning if the store holds $100,000 worth of munchies they gross 28 X per year. A retail bizz like m/c shops is lucky to turn parts and accessories 4 X year. lot of dusty stock to satsify the oddball customer needs. Therefore, a 100% margin on said stock is needed to make the store viable. Big tickee items are less profit, in my store 15% to 25% on the three digit price tags. Overall profit goal about 35%. Cost of keeping enough smiling faces so that a customer didn't feel neglected about 28% of gross. Landlord got 5% of the top gaurenteed. Toss in workmans comp, utilities, supplies, and staying solvent becomes a challange. In short 15% is a laugher. Mail order houses ned more than that to stay alive. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 2 16:05:21 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: for sale Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:00:06 -0500 '96 Timberwolf 6 x 10 enclosed trailer. '00 Suzuki SV650, 1000 miles. E-mail or call for more info (540) 349 - 9992 Danny '00 SV '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 2 17:11:08 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:10:33 EST Subject: Morton's vs. Waugh To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I went down to Morton's BMW today and then over the Waugh H-D. Morton's was having an open house with free BBQ, test rides, and door prizes. Waugh was having G. Gordon Liddy signing his Stacked and Packed calendar. Morton's parking lot was stuffed full of bikes with lots of people hanging out talking in the parking lot. At Waugh I parked next to the 3 other bikes. The cars/trucks were all in the field across the street. Morton's has a fairly small room full of gear and accessories. Waugh is huge inside with 2 full levels. If you like cruiser type gear, hit the lower level for by far the best and biggest selection of stuff that I've seen in the area. Morton's had a BMW K1 in the parking lot. Waugh had a $45,000 sidecar custom in the showroom. Morton's has 1 picnic bench on the front porch. Waugh has several old leather sofas to sit on. I spent about an hour at each place an enjoyed both. It was fun to go right from one to the other for the contrast in people and atmosphere. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 2 17:47:26 2000 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone riding today Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 17:47:16 -0500 Anyone riding today? I rode from Gaithersburg up to the north side of Baltimore (Putty Hill area) for the afternoon and didn't see more than a half dozen bikes. There was the bike coming southbound on MD 97 up near Glenwood about 11:30am. It was some kind of cruiser, possibly a Harley, being ridden by what might have been a woman. S/He was wearing a leather jacket, full face helmet, etc. We waved. Then, on my way back, I saw a late model BMW oilhead RS-type coming down I-83s onto 695, but I guess he stayed on 83 since I didn't see him after the split. Then there was the Sportster parked in front of Luann's (or whatever that place is up north of Damascus, on MD 27 near I-70.) Finally, two guys on sport bikes northbound on MD 27 passed me near Germantown about 5:00pm. I don't know if they waved - the second guy was looking behind him at the SUV on his tail. It was cold, but my Widder electric vest, in conjunction with my HG Boost pants and FG Kilimanjaro jacket, did its job. My feet were starting to get cold by the last 5 miles or so, but I had forgotten to put on wool socks when I was getting ready. I was just wearing basic white cotton gym socks in my boots. Thermasilk glove liners in my medium-weight gauntlets and a full face helmet completed the ensemble. Beautiful day for a ride, overall. Perry _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 3 13:05:52 2000 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 13:05:42 -0500 Subject: Those that have... From: Eric Silberg To: Well, it seems I have left the ranks of "those that will" and joined "those that have." Luckily it wasn't bad, and my beloved VFR is only a bit more banged up than I. I was following some friends in a cage last night around Dupont Circle and had to move to the outside lane then turn off. Well, another cage was being stubborn and would let me over, so I slowed to a near crawl (slip clutch, kept the engine revving a bit) and turned in after the cage. As I was getting back on the gas (not even that hard), the rear washed out and I low sided. I jumped up after a short slide and had the pleasure of seeing my bike shoot sparks from the passenger peg and brake pedal. Damage to me: bruised hip, sore shoulder, and probably sore a lot of other things tomorrow morning. Damage to bike: bent brake pedal and lever, bent right clipon (I think), scratched fairings. Look on friends' faces when jumping out of the car in front of me: priceless I always wear my leather jacket, gloves, thick pants (not leather on a Saturday night though) and boots, so that kept my injuries to a minimum. So anyway, what caused it other than too much gas/stupid rider error? I had ridden the bike to dinner and was leaving to go to a party (I hadn't had anything to drink, of course) and didn't realize that the tires (fairly new D207's) were cold again after sitting outside in near 30 degrees (duh). Combine that with starting the turn from the center of the lane (oil) and over a paint line (I saw the darkie that I left so I could tell when the tire started to spin) and I didn't have nearly as much grip as I thought I did. I wasn't using a lot of throttle and was not at a high lean angle - well, until the tire started to slide at least. I was very lucky that there was no one close behind me to run me over and that my bike slid relatively harmlessly down the road. And I had just gotten through my first year of riding unscathed! BTW I have taken the MSF advanced course and have had some other formal training too, but I know that I am not very experienced and I think this is proof of that. Next time I'll remember to warm the tires up EVERY time I get on the bike. Thanks for listening. Keep the sticky side down. Eric Silberg - a bit banged up '94 VFR 750 - a bit banged up From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 3 13:37:10 2000 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 13:33:40 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Eric Silberg CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Those that have... Bummer. Glad to hear you survived reletively unscathed. Yes, tires chill down quickly and paint stripes are slick, and my guess would be too much burner wick for conditions. Well, minor bike and body injuries aside, you have a tale to tell at the next pub gathering. Try to keep it down to ONE tale :-) Bill Eric Silberg wrote: > Well, it seems I have left the ranks of "those that will" and joined "those > that have." Luckily it wasn't bad, and my beloved VFR is only a bit more > banged up than I. I was following some friends in a cage last night around > Dupont Circle and had to move to the outside lane then turn off. Well, > another cage was being stubborn and would let me over, so I slowed to a near > crawl (slip clutch, kept the engine revving a bit) and turned in after the > cage. As I was getting back on the gas (not even that hard), the rear > washed out and I low sided. I jumped up after a short slide and had the > pleasure of seeing my bike shoot sparks from the passenger peg and brake > pedal. > > Damage to me: bruised hip, sore shoulder, and probably sore a lot of other > things tomorrow morning. > > Damage to bike: bent brake pedal and lever, bent right clipon (I think), > scratched fairings. > > Look on friends' faces when jumping out of the car in front of me: priceless > > I always wear my leather jacket, gloves, thick pants (not leather on a > Saturday night though) and boots, so that kept my injuries to a minimum. So > anyway, what caused it other than too much gas/stupid rider error? I had > ridden the bike to dinner and was leaving to go to a party (I hadn't had > anything to drink, of course) and didn't realize that the tires (fairly new > D207's) were cold again after sitting outside in near 30 degrees (duh). > Combine that with starting the turn from the center of the lane (oil) and > over a paint line (I saw the darkie that I left so I could tell when the > tire started to spin) and I didn't have nearly as much grip as I thought I > did. I wasn't using a lot of throttle and was not at a high lean angle - > well, until the tire started to slide at least. I was very lucky that there > was no one close behind me to run me over and that my bike slid relatively > harmlessly down the road. And I had just gotten through my first year of > riding unscathed! BTW I have taken the MSF advanced course and have had > some other formal training too, but I know that I am not very experienced > and I think this is proof of that. Next time I'll remember to warm the > tires up EVERY time I get on the bike. Thanks for listening. Keep the > sticky side down. > > Eric Silberg - a bit banged up > '94 VFR 750 - a bit banged up From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 3 15:39:43 2000 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 15:46:08 -0500 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Black ice Today I've run across a couple of patches of ice in DC, mostly due to our perpetually leaky water mains. There is one particulary nasty patch on northbound Ohio Drive, as you come underneath the approaches to Memorial Bridge near Constitution Ave. Even though we haven't had snow, below freezing overnight temps will make ice on the streets a constant hazard, especially at night when they're harder to spot. Be careful out there. Sub freezing tmeps will bring on even more water main leaks. They won't bother fixing the minor ones until they become gushers. Paul in DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 3 16:45:56 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Fastlane vs. Mailorder Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:42:45 -0500 Don't know if this topic has gone nuke yet, so here's MHO anyway. The markups (from cost) at fastlane for normally acquired bits (filters, levers, etc.) seemed VERY reasonable if you factor in what it would cost you in additional mail charges and time. I like instant consumer fulfillment, so that's worth something to me. But like Dale Horstman, I am a real fan of mailorder for these types of items as I go through them alot (filters, plugs...). Dale and I both ride...a LOT. It makes more sense to purchase a small gross at next to cost then to shuck $11-$12/filter. My friend Craig Johnston picked up the front and rear pit-bull stands this saturday for $170!! I think that's what he told me. Or it may have been $270 with the center triple clamp lift option. Still an awsome deal! I on the other hand, missed out on this excellent sale. Dang! Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 3 17:37:52 2000 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:37:39 EST From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Black ice To: Try driving in the shit being night blind. Every night I go home from work I grip my steering wheel with white knuckles and pray that I get home okay. I would be happy just to be able to SEE the black ice so I could avoid it. And I live in WV in the country....up and down steep hills. Lotsa fun. lol Be careful around all those cagers in DC. At least that's one thing I don't have to worry too much about. lol Jess In a message dated Sun, 3 Dec 2000 3:41:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Paul A. Wilson" writes: << Today I've run across a couple of patches of ice in DC, mostly due to our perpetually leaky water mains. There is one particulary nasty patch on northbound Ohio Drive, as you come underneath the approaches to Memorial Bridge near Constitution Ave. Even though we haven't had snow, below freezing overnight temps will make ice on the streets a constant hazard, especially at night when they're harder to spot. Be careful out there. Sub freezing tmeps will bring on even more water main leaks. They won't bother fixing the minor ones until they become gushers. Paul in DC 91 CB750 >> From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 3 19:36:00 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:35:49 EST Subject: Re: Black ice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX << I would be happy just to be able to SEE the black ice so I could avoid it. >> That's the problem with black ice - you CAN'T see it Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 06:58:07 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:57:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Dr. Gridlock at it again... kids on motorcycles To: DC-Cycles Dr. Gridlock finally did a follow-up column to his column about children on motorcycles. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20073-2000Dec3.html Despite having a few letters from people who talked about using the criteria of having the feet reach the footpegs, and others who talked about the positive experience of taking their children/grandchildren for a ride, Dr. Gridlock threw his support behind MD Delegate Jean Cryor (R-Montgomery) who pre-filed a bill for the 2001 legislative session that would prohibit a child under the age of 12 from riding on the back of a motorcycle. A month ago someone was asking about legislative issues of concern in Maryland... this might be a good one to keep an eye on. I know they tried something like this in Massachusetts a few years ago (started when a divorced mother didn't want her child riding with his dad). I don't know how that went since. However, I'd suggest that MD riders try to get this bill struck down or modified before it gets too far. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 09:11:20 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Eric Silberg , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Those that have... Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:12:02 -0800 "Those that have".. welcome to our world . Glad to hear it wasn't worse... it may not seem like it could have been worse, but trust me it could have been worse. See another post I'm going to make today. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 09:17:13 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R.I.P. Holeshot Kenny Bynum Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:17:56 -0800 I'm not sure that he had children. His name was Kenny Bynum, and on the street he was called "holeshot kenny" because he was good at the holeshot and running the quarter mile races. On the street he demonstrated self control and rode within his limits and cautiously, like a lot of 1/4 mile fast guys are known to do. Less than a month ago he was racing on a hayabusa against some of his friends. He had decades of riding experience. He didn't crash from rider error but, Sunday he was riding an 80 cc dirtbike around a parking lot and ran into a brick wall. He wasn't going that fast. It's believed he had a medical incident that temporarily disabled him from controlling the bike and applying the brakes. He suffered internal bleeding/chest injuries and on the way to the hospital he unexpectedly passed. Other than his internal chest injuries he only had minor scrapes. Please dont' ask me futhter details because I wasn't there, those are the accounts of the persons who were there; the person who was riding next to him, the person who ran to his aid, and the persons who immediately went to the hospital to see him, all very long time friends of his. I think he had 2 RF-900's. I think they were lowered. One was red and blue, and one was a blue-ish green color. He had dollar bill and 5 dollar bills on his bike under the clear coat, and a skull and crossbones sticker on the top of his gas tank. I remember him always telling a good story or trying to set up quarter mile races. His most popular hang out spot was down at "the bottoms" in southern MD. He was another person that always had me laughing or smiling, and was an entertaining person. I will definitely miss him, as I'm sure most will, who have had the pleasure to meet him. I pray his family can be strong in their grieving, and I know he will be dearly missed. I will miss you Kenny! Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 09:19:27 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Fastlane vs. Mailorder Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:20:10 -0800 Speaking of stands.. does anyone have that link where you can get both front and rear stands, on sale, for around $127 ? They weren't pitbulls, but still, they were stands. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 09:36:07 2000 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock at it again... kids on motorcycles Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:26:59 -0500 Unfortunately the Grid declined to print Leon Begeman's letter which said the rider in question was already in violation of a least two or three existing laws if the eyewitness account was accurate. Dr. Gridlock's pronouncements aside, this is one law we don't need. In typical knee-jerk fashion it's a ham fisted solution to a non problem. Physical size is not an issue, provided the passenger can reach the pegs, hold on to either me or the grab rails and exhibit the mental maturity to follow directions. I know several full grown adults who do not pass the final criterion. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC-Cycles Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 6:57 AM Subject: Dr. Gridlock at it again... kids on motorcycles > Dr. Gridlock finally did a follow-up column to his column about children on > motorcycles. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20073-2000Dec3.html > > Despite having a few letters from people who talked about using the criteria of > having the feet reach the footpegs, and others who talked about the positive > experience of taking their children/grandchildren for a ride, Dr. Gridlock > threw his support behind MD Delegate Jean Cryor (R-Montgomery) who pre-filed a > bill for the 2001 legislative session that would prohibit a child under the age > of 12 from riding on the back of a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 11:13:18 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:13:00 EST Subject: ABATE of Maryland Response of Delegate Cryor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc cycles) --part1_e6.e57e553.275d1c8c_boundary (First, let me apologize if this comes in in HTML. I upgraded to AOL 6 and the HTML is a bug waiting to be corrected) In response to your concerns about Delegate Cryor, the following was sent to the ABATE of Maryland membership. If you ride in Maryland, and want to protect your family from unwanted government intrusion, please take the time to send a letter to Delegate Cryor. If you live in Virginia, and Cryor is successful, your next. Maryland Del. Jean Cryor (R-Montgomery) is aiming at riders. (See story below.) She lives at 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, MD 20854. Start sending her letters. Points to focus in on. a. What are the stats indicating a need for this legislation. What are the accident rates? b. Doesn't the Republican Party contend that a limited government should defer to the judgment of an educated people? Isn't this just another example of Government intervention and over reaction? c. What about dwarf 13 years olds whose legs cannot reach the peg? d. Is it the intent to criminalize a family outing? e. What about families that do not own a second car and need to transport the child in an emergency? f. Did the legislator confer with any motorcycle rights organizations to get their experienced input? If so, who did she talk with? A Child on the Back of a Motorcycle: Fun or Folly? Dr. Gridlock can be reached at (703) 279-3200 or by e-mail at drgridlock@XXXXXX. By Ron Shaffer Monday, December 4, 2000; Page B01 In the Oct. 23 column, a horrified Zora Margolis of Washington told of seeing a small child hanging on to a man's coattails as a motorcycle sped up Interstate 95 at 70 mph. She asked whether this was legal. Apparently it is. This prompted a number of responses. A sample:Dear Dr. Gridlock:After reading your letter regarding the child on the back of the motorcycle, Maryland Del. Jean Cryor (R-Montgomery) has pre-filed a bill for the 2001 legislative session that would prohibit a child under the age of 12 from riding on the back of a motorcycle.Kathleen CloughLegislative aideGood luck. Keep me posted.Dear Dr. Gridlock:I think it should be illegal for any motorcyclist to carry a passenger under age 6, as that person isn't old enough to consent to the risks involved in riding on a motorcycle.It's something that goes through my head every time a friend asks for a ride. I make sure they understand the potential consequences of this pleasure.Ethan SmithArlingtonDear Dr. Gridlock:My children have been riding since they could sit on the motorcycle. I have never heard of anyone falling off because of a bump, swerving or sudden stopping, unless they were in an accident. Which, unfortunately, is every rider's fear.I would have to say that as a whole, motorcycle riders are more aware of what is going on around them than the drivers of most vehicles.Leon KowalewskiManassasDear Dr. Gridlock:Motorcycle riders don't hang on by their fingernails. They sit on a seat and hold on to grips of the driver. They aren't in danger at bumps in the road, swerves or sudden stops.Large motorcycles, especially, ride very smoothly and comfortably and safely.I carry my 6-year-old grandson on the back of my motorcycle, and both of us love it. There is no way I'd put him at risk.Steve LaneBethesdaDear Dr. Gridlock:My spouse and I have ridden for more than 40 years and would never put anyone at such risk. Our criteria for allowing a child to ride is to be tall enough to place his/her feet firmly on the foot pegs, to wear an approved helmet that fits and to appreciate the risks.Our oldest grandson, now 15, wasn't allowed to ride until he met our criteria, despite his pleas to be allowed to go.It's hard to believe that this individual would take a child on a motorcycle with such callous disregard for the child's life.Carolyn RocklinFairfaxDear Dr. Gridlock:I think taking children for motorcycle rides is a good idea. In these days of companies marketing violent video games and movies to kids, with drugs and gangs, I think it's more important for children to be with responsible adults, and to learn there's more to life than what people want to sell you.Chris NorloffFalls ChurchDear Dr. Gridlock:It is obvious that the person didn't take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation training that is offered in Maryland and Virginia. I remember the instructors clearly saying that no passengers should be on a motorcycle if they can't reach the foot pegs--something that is difficult for a 4-year-old.Children are so precious--why would a parent put them in such danger?Maxine F. BrownRockvilleThose who do, judging from the letters above, don't think they are. I'm with the delegate in the lead letter.A New Batch of RiddlesHere are this month's license plate riddles. What were the vehicles--make and model-- sporting the following license plates?* WALABY. Submitted by Betty Miller, of Alexandria.* WADA ZU. Submitted by Charlene Heermans, of Burke.New Year's ResolutionsDr. Gridlock is now accepting your New Year's resolutions for local transportation and traffic enforcement officials.For example, be it resolved that D.C. police will station officers to direct traffic at key downtown intersections during rush hours, as is done in New York City and other major cities in the nation.Dr. Gridlock's assistant, Lori Fischer, contributed to this column.You can write to Dr. Gridlock, P.O. Box 3467, Fairfax, Va. 22038-3467, or e-mail him at drgridlock@XXXXXX. The doctor's fax number is 703-352-3908. Please include your full name, town, county, and day and evening phone numbers. Because of the number of responses, Dr. Gridlock cannot take phone calls Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_e6.e57e553.275d1c8c_boundary (First, let me apologize if this comes in in HTML.  I upgraded to AOL 6 and
the HTML is a bug waiting to be corrected)
In response to your concerns about Delegate Cryor, the following was sent to
the ABATE of Maryland membership.  If you ride in Maryland, and want to
protect your family from unwanted government intrusion, please take the time
to send a letter to Delegate Cryor.  If you live in Virginia, and Cryor is
successful, your next.

Maryland Del. Jean Cryor (R-Montgomery) is aiming at riders.    (See story
below.)
She lives at  11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, MD 20854.
Start sending her letters.  
Points to focus in on.
 a.  What are the stats indicating a need for this legislation.  What are
the accident rates?
 b. Doesn't the Republican Party contend that a limited government should
defer to the judgment of an educated people?  Isn't this just another example
of Government intervention and over reaction?
 c.  What about  dwarf 13 years olds whose legs cannot reach the peg?
 d.   Is it the intent to criminalize a family outing?
 e.   What about families that do not own a second car and need to transport
the child in an emergency?
 f.   Did the legislator confer with any motorcycle rights organizations to
get their experienced input?  If so, who did she talk with?

   
A Child on the Back of a Motorcycle: Fun or Folly?                        
 
       Dr. Gridlock can be reached at (703) 279-3200 or by e-mail at
drgridlock@XXXXXX.

By Ron Shaffer
Monday, December 4, 2000; Page B01
In the Oct. 23 column, a horrified Zora Margolis of Washington told of seeing
a small child hanging on to a man's coattails as a motorcycle sped up
Interstate 95 at 70 mph. She asked whether this was legal. Apparently it is.
This prompted a number of responses. A sample:Dear Dr. Gridlock:After reading
your letter regarding the child on the back of the motorcycle, Maryland Del.
Jean Cryor (R-Montgomery) has pre-filed a bill for the 2001 legislative
session that would prohibit a child under the age of 12 from riding on the
back of a motorcycle.Kathleen CloughLegislative aideGood luck. Keep me
posted.Dear Dr. Gridlock:I think it should be illegal for any motorcyclist to
carry a passenger under age 6, as that person isn't old enough to consent to
the risks involved in riding on! a motorcycle.It's something that goes through
my head every time a friend asks for a ride. I make sure they understand the
potential consequences of this pleasure.Ethan SmithArlingtonDear Dr.
Gridlock:My children have been riding since they could sit on the motorcycle.
I have never heard of anyone falling off because of a bump, swerving or
sudden stopping, unless they were in an accident. Which, unfortunately, is
every rider's fear.I would have to say that as a whole, motorcycle riders are
more aware of what is going on around them than the drivers of most
vehicles.Leon KowalewskiManassasDear Dr. Gridlock:Motorcycle riders don't
hang on by their fingernails. They sit on a seat and hold on to grips of the
driver. They aren't in danger at bumps in the road, swerves or sudden
stops.Large motorcycles, especially, ride very smoothly and comfortably and
safely.I carry my 6-year-old grandson on the back of my motorcycle, and both
o! f us love it. There is no way I'd put him at risk.Steve LaneBethesdaDear Dr.
Gridlock:My spouse and I have ridden for more than 40 years and would never
put anyone at such risk. Our criteria for allowing a child to ride is to be
tall enough to place his/her feet firmly on the foot pegs, to wear an
approved helmet that fits and to appreciate the risks.Our oldest grandson,
now 15, wasn't allowed to ride until he met our criteria, despite his pleas
to be allowed to go.It's hard to believe that this individual would take a
child on a motorcycle with such callous disregard for the child's
life.Carolyn RocklinFairfaxDear Dr. Gridlock:I think taking children for
motorcycle rides is a good idea. In these days of companies marketing violent
video games and movies to kids, with drugs and gangs, I think it's more
important for children to be with responsible adults, and to learn there's
more to life than what people want to sell you.Chris N! orloffFalls ChurchDear
Dr. Gridlock:It is obvious that the person didn't take the Motorcycle Safety
Foundation training that is offered in Maryland and Virginia. I remember the
instructors clearly saying that no passengers should be on a motorcycle if
they can't reach the foot pegs--something that is difficult for a
4-year-old.Children are so precious--why would a parent put them in such
danger?Maxine F. BrownRockvilleThose who do, judging from the letters above,
don't think they are. I'm with the delegate in the lead letter.A New Batch of
RiddlesHere are this month's license plate riddles. What were the
vehicles--make and model-- sporting the following license plates?* WALABY.
Submitted by Betty Miller, of Alexandria.* WADA ZU. Submitted by Charlene
Heermans, of Burke.New Year's ResolutionsDr. Gridlock is now accepting your
New Year's resolutions for local transportation and traffic enforcement
officials.For example, be it r! esolved that D.C. police will station officers
to direct traffic at key downtown intersections during rush hours, as is done
in New York City and other major cities in the nation.Dr. Gridlock's
assistant, Lori Fischer, contributed to this column.You can write to Dr.
Gridlock, P.O. Box 3467, Fairfax, Va. 22038-3467, or e-mail him at
drgridlock@XXXXXX. The doctor's fax number is 703-352-3908. Please
include your full name, town, county, and day and evening phone numbers.
Because of the number of responses, Dr. Gridlock cannot take phone calls





Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_e6.e57e553.275d1c8c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 12:41:31 2000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:38:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: oil cooler To: DC Cycles List Well, I'm happy to report my terminally backordered oil cooler from Kawasaki finally arrived at the dealer last week. My bike is no longer doing an Exxon Valdez impression whenever I park it now. :) Too bad it's so cold out, or I'd find some excuse to go for a looooooonng ride. I guess I'll just settle for commuting until spring... Ride on! Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 13:08:56 2000 From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock at it again... kids on motorcycles Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:08:44 -0500 This would CRUSH my 8 year old daughter who LOVES to ride on the back of my Motorcycle. She came with me to one of the bike nights at Car Pool and she had a blast!! Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 www.conflictedinterest.com >Unfortunately the Grid declined to print Leon Begeman's letter which said >the rider in question was already in violation of a least two or three >existing laws if the eyewitness account was accurate. Dr. Gridlock's >pronouncements aside, this is one law we don't need. In typical knee-jerk >fashion it's a ham fisted solution to a non problem. Physical size is not >an issue, provided the passenger can reach the pegs, hold on to either me >or >the grab rails and exhibit the mental maturity to follow directions. I >know >several full grown adults who do not pass the final criterion. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 14:21:37 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock at it again... kids on motorcycles Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:14:27 -0500 Below is a letter that I wrote to the Annapolis Capitol after this topic was mentioned in a letter to the editor. ------------------------------- In a recent letter to the editor from Phyliss Kenney, she asked "Why isn't there a law pertaining to young children" riding as passengers on motorcycles. I would suggest the reason is that there isn't a need for one. Intuitively, from personal experience as a motorcycle rider for 29 years, it is rare to see a motorcycle passenger that is a young child, one that is unable to reach the passenger footpegs, unless they are in a side car. I realize that intuition and personal experience are not enough to form an educated opinion. So I took the time to check a couple of sources. The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration maintains a Fatal Accident Reporting System. For 1998, in Maryland there were zero fatal motorcycle accidents involving riders or passengers 13 and under. Maryland information from the State Highway Administration reports on occupant information which indicates that of the group ages 13 and under there were 10 motorcycle occupants involved in accidents. But please note, the same source indicates that there were 20,316 children ages 13 and under involved in automobile accidents. This information does not state how many were injured, but the exposure to automobile injury for children is astronomical compared to exposure to motorcycle injury. Ms. Kenney also refers to the issue of seatbelts on motorcycles. Many who do not ride, hold the notion that seatbelts should be required on motorcycles. There is nothing that is further from the truth. Motorcycle safety training adamantly stresses that a motorcycle rider is more likely to survive an accident if the rider gets away from the motorcycle. In a motorcycle accident, the bike is much heavier than the rider and it goes further and with more force than the person does. A rider's best defense, is to get away and stay away from the motorcycle to avoid being hit by it. A seatbelt in this situation would decrease the chance of survival rather than provide any protection. Since warm weather is prime motorcycle riding time, I would like to implore automobile drivers to be aware of motorcycle riders. There are too many accidents that occur because an automobile driver violates the right-of-way of the motorcycle rider because he or she 'did not see' the motorcycle. Many motorcycle riders take the Motor Vehicle Administration's Motorcycle Safety Program safety courses. During these courses, riders become aware of the fact that safety is their responsiblity and to be aware of potentially dangerous situations. Safety on the roads is the job of every road user, automobiles and motorcycles alike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC-Cycles Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 06:57 Subject: Dr. Gridlock at it again... kids on motorcycles > Dr. Gridlock finally did a follow-up column to his column about children on > motorcycles. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20073-2000Dec3.html > > Despite having a few letters from people who talked about using the criteria of > having the feet reach the footpegs, and others who talked about the positive > experience of taking their children/grandchildren for a ride, Dr. Gridlock > threw his support behind MD Delegate Jean Cryor (R-Montgomery) who pre-filed a > bill for the 2001 legislative session that would prohibit a child under the age > of 12 from riding on the back of a motorcycle. > > A month ago someone was asking about legislative issues of concern in > Maryland... this might be a good one to keep an eye on. I know they tried > something like this in Massachusetts a few years ago (started when a divorced > mother didn't want her child riding with his dad). I don't know how that went > since. > > However, I'd suggest that MD riders try to get this bill struck down or > modified before it gets too far. > > Louis > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Alexandria, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 15:02:12 2000 From: Mina Sandusky To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ABATE of Maryland Response of Delegate Cryor Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:02:04 -0500 > b. Doesn't the Republican Party contend that a limited government >should defer to the judgment of an educated people? Right. That's why they're against a womans right to choose abortion. Mina Sandusky From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 15:20:03 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:06:22 EST Subject: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters To: Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, gracehauver@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX, KNKHD47@XXXXXX, JTCJR1@XXXXXX, DOODLEDMC@XXXXXX, shooter6420@XXXXXX, guy3@XXXXXX, strowbridge@XXXXXX, JohnToni@XXXXXX, prez95ocmd@XXXXXX, montcoevents@XXXXXX, waltert@XXXXXX, pjnlinda@XXXXXX, Tinkerbell@XXXXXX, arbor@XXXXXX, bikers@XXXXXX, dwg93@XXXXXX, gavidal@XXXXXX, Aug2867@XXXXXX, bikerdan@XXXXXX, grantjl45@XXXXXX, ddashiel@XXXXXX, hollis.sadoff@XXXXXX, OLD77XL@XXXXXX, kostin@XXXXXX, dwkirby@XXXXXX, jaybo384@XXXXXX, psycoward@XXXXXX, alisa.hoffman@XXXXXX, lawman_mc@XXXXXX, squid126@XXXXXX, Blue72FLH@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, Thorvald13@XXXXXX, mdabate@XXXXXX (ABATE of Maryland) CC: GMyles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_68.9c8b616.275d533e_boundary The following is from the Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, dated 28 November 2000. I obtained it today from the MSHA in response to the bill submitted by Delegate Jean B. Cryor, 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, Maryland 20854. Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) 1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) 1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) 1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) 1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) 2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 Nov 00) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) Clearly, the exceeding small number of injuries associated by motorcycles stands in marked contrast to the injuries sustained in cars. Delegate Cryor's legislation is "Feel Good Legislation" and the article by Dr Gridlock is a disservice to the public for not balancing these figures before advocating restrictive legislation. You have the Delegate's home address. Please feel free to send information copies to Dr Gridlock at drgridlock@XXXXXX Protect your right to decide about your family. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_68.9c8b616.275d533e_boundary The following is from the Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of
Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, dated 28 November 2000.
 I obtained it today from the MSHA in response to the bill submitted by
Delegate Jean B. Cryor, 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, Maryland 20854.

Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators)
1996  Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13:   9 injuries (no deaths)
        Automobile injuries age 0 to 13:   21,875 injuries (multiple deaths)

1997  Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13:   11 injuries (no deaths)
        Automobile injuries age 0 to 13:   20,719 injuries (multiple deaths)

1998  Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13:   10 injuries (no deaths)
        Automobile injuries age 0 to 13:   20,326 injuries (multiple deaths)

1999  Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13:    5 injuries (no deaths)
        Automobile injuries age 0 to 13:   20,501 injuries (multiple deaths)

2000  Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13:    4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28
Nov 00)
        Automobile injuries age 0 to 13:   11,748 injuries (multiple deaths)

Clearly, the exceeding small number of injuries associated by motorcycles
stands in marked contrast to the injuries sustained in cars.  Delegate
Cryor's legislation is "Feel Good Legislation" and the article by Dr Gridlock
is a disservice to the public for not balancing these figures before
advocating restrictive legislation.

You have the Delegate's home address. Please feel free to send information
copies to Dr Gridlock at drgridlock@XXXXXX

Protect your right to decide about your family.



Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_68.9c8b616.275d533e_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 15:35:03 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:35:34 -0800 This is a classic example of how statistics can say anything you want them to say. If you enter into the equation the simple fact that there are far more cars than motorcycles on the road, those quoted statistics are fairly meaningless. I'd much rather see stats based on passenger miles or hours. (i.e. 5 deaths per 10,000 passenger miles) Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- The following is from the Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, dated 28 November 2000. I obtained it today from the MSHA in response to the bill submitted by Delegate Jean B. Cryor, 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, Maryland 20854. Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) 1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) 1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) 1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) 1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) 2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 Nov 00) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) Clearly, the exceeding small number of injuries associated by motorcycles stands in marked contrast to the injuries sustained in cars. Delegate Cryor's legislation is "Feel Good Legislation" and the article by Dr Gridlock is a disservice to the public for not balancing these figures before advocating restrictive legislation. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 16:05:02 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , "dc cycles" Subject: Re: ABATE of Maryland Response of Delegate Cryor Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:57:55 -0500 For those who are interested in contacting Delegate Cryor about prohibiting children as motorcycle passengers, here is some additional information. JEAN B. CRYOR, Republican, District 15, Montgomery County. Lowe House Office Building, Room 226 84 College Ave. Annapolis, MD 21401 - 1991 (301) 858-3090, (410) 841-3090 1-800-492-7122, ext. 3090 (toll free) e-mail: jean_cryor@XXXXXX fax: (301) 858-3850, (410) 841-3850 Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 16:12:20 2000 From: "Perry Coleman" To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:12:09 -0500 Chris, You took the worlds right out of my mouth. While those numbers are impressive; without a "weighting factor," such as passenger miles, they are totally meaningless. Perry >From: "Christopher Weaver" >To: >Subject: RE: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:35:34 -0800 > >This is a classic example of how statistics can say anything you want them >to say. If you enter into the equation the simple fact that there are far >more cars than motorcycles on the road, those quoted statistics are fairly >meaningless. I'd much rather see stats based on passenger miles or hours. >(i.e. 5 deaths per 10,000 passenger miles) > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR1000F >www.dccycles.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >The following is from the Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of >Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, dated 28 November >2000. > I obtained it today from the MSHA in response to the bill submitted by >Delegate Jean B. Cryor, 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, Maryland 20854. > >Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) >1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple >deaths) > >1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple >deaths) > >1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple >deaths) > >1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple >deaths) > >2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 >Nov 00) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple >deaths) > >Clearly, the exceeding small number of injuries associated by motorcycles >stands in marked contrast to the injuries sustained in cars. Delegate >Cryor's legislation is "Feel Good Legislation" and the article by Dr >Gridlock >is a disservice to the public for not balancing these figures before >advocating restrictive legislation. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 16:13:11 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:12:27 EST Subject: Re: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_a4.ce5cc89.275d62bb_boundary In a message dated 12/4/00 3:45:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: > I'd much rather see stats based on passenger miles or hours. > (i.e. 5 deaths per 10,000 passenger miles) > Chris brings up a good point about the significance of statistics. The issue confronting us is that the government is about to take a shot at riders on an issue where there are no fatalities and less than a dozen incidents per year for motorcyclists, as opposed to over 11 thousand per year for cars. As for using stats based on passenger miles or hours, there is no meaningful way to measure the miles or hours. For example, absent a timer, is that 60,000 miles on my motorcycle equal to 1000 hours (assuming 60mph average)? Or is that 60,000 on the first, second or third speedo for that bike, begging the question, what was the mileage on the other speedos. And, finally, since we own multiple bikes, is that mileage and hours cumulative for all the bikes (or just the one, and again, how do we verify the miles and hours if we are the Cop writing the report and the victim is not available.) Again, I'd like to think that riders are not the problem we are being made out to be...in this case. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_a4.ce5cc89.275d62bb_boundary In a message dated 12/4/00 3:45:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes:


I'd much rather see stats based on passenger miles or hours.
(i.e. 5 deaths per 10,000 passenger miles)

Chris brings up a good point about the significance of statistics.  The issue
confronting us is that the government is about to take a shot at riders on an
issue where there are no fatalities and less than a dozen incidents per year
for motorcyclists, as opposed to over 11 thousand per year for cars.

As for using stats based on passenger miles or hours, there is no meaningful
way to measure the miles or hours. For example, absent a timer, is that
60,000 miles on my motorcycle equal to 1000 hours (assuming 60mph average)?
Or is that 60,000 on the first, second or third speedo for that bike, begging
the question, what was the mileage on the other speedos. And, finally, since
we own multiple bikes, is that mileage and hours cumulative for all the bikes
(or just the one, and again, how do we verify the miles and hours if we are
the Cop writing the report and the victim is not available.)

Again, I'd like to think that riders are not the problem we are being made
out to be...in this case.

Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_a4.ce5cc89.275d62bb_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 16:18:28 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Christopher Weaver" , Subject: Re: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:11:21 -0500 What would be a more telling story is how many child passengers actually exists. The answer is probably not many. Why chase a problem legislatively that does not exist? Kathleen Loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Weaver To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 18:35 Subject: RE: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters > This is a classic example of how statistics can say anything you want them > to say. If you enter into the equation the simple fact that there are far > more cars than motorcycles on the road, those quoted statistics are fairly > meaningless. I'd much rather see stats based on passenger miles or hours. > (i.e. 5 deaths per 10,000 passenger miles) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000F > www.dccycles.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > The following is from the Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of > Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, dated 28 November > 2000. > I obtained it today from the MSHA in response to the bill submitted by > Delegate Jean B. Cryor, 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, Maryland 20854. > > Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) > 1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) > > 1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) > > 1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) > > 1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) > > 2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 > Nov 00) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) > > Clearly, the exceeding small number of injuries associated by motorcycles > stands in marked contrast to the injuries sustained in cars. Delegate > Cryor's legislation is "Feel Good Legislation" and the article by Dr > Gridlock > is a disservice to the public for not balancing these figures before > advocating restrictive legislation. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 16:38:41 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:36:34 -0500 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 I would tend to think that more children get hurt or die each year falling in bathtubs in the state of MD (although I don't have any supporting statistics). Maybe they should pen a law banning parents from bathing children under a certain age in a tub? I don't think statistics about miles are relevant in this case. The number of children hurt/killed is in the noise level compared even to organized sports. Not quite enough that anyone should be getting excited about it. Although, IMHO the law makes some sense. There are car seat laws and such to protect young children in accidents. I don't really see a problem there. 13 years old sounds a little extreme as I've definitely seen younger kids racing their own motocross bikes. I suspect they can hang on to someone else as well as a 13 year old. On the other hand, I know of some hyper 13 year olds that I'd never let onto the back of my bike. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 16:39:06 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Perry Coleman" , , Subject: Re: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:31:57 -0500 I think what they provide is perspective. Exposure to accidents for children in automobiles is huge while exposure to accidents for children on motorcycles is miniscule. k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Coleman To: ; Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 16:12 Subject: RE: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters > Chris, > > You took the worlds right out of my mouth. While those numbers are > impressive; without a "weighting factor," such as passenger miles, they are > totally meaningless. > > Perry > > >From: "Christopher Weaver" > >To: > >Subject: RE: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters > >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:35:34 -0800 > > > >This is a classic example of how statistics can say anything you want them > >to say. If you enter into the equation the simple fact that there are far > >more cars than motorcycles on the road, those quoted statistics are fairly > >meaningless. I'd much rather see stats based on passenger miles or hours. > >(i.e. 5 deaths per 10,000 passenger miles) > > > >Chris Weaver > >'98 VTR1000F > >www.dccycles.com > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >The following is from the Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of > >Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, dated 28 November > >2000. > > I obtained it today from the MSHA in response to the bill submitted by > >Delegate Jean B. Cryor, 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, Maryland 20854. > > > >Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) > >1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple > >deaths) > > > >1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple > >deaths) > > > >1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple > >deaths) > > > >1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple > >deaths) > > > >2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 > >Nov 00) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple > >deaths) > > > >Clearly, the exceeding small number of injuries associated by motorcycles > >stands in marked contrast to the injuries sustained in cars. Delegate > >Cryor's legislation is "Feel Good Legislation" and the article by Dr > >Gridlock > >is a disservice to the public for not balancing these figures before > >advocating restrictive legislation. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 16:47:16 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:47:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Humourous site on List-Flamer types Very nicely done with excellent art work. http://www.flashkit.com/board/warriors/ -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 17:38:39 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock at it again... kids on motorcycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Razz Man wrote: > > This would CRUSH my 8 year old daughter who LOVES to > ride on the back of my > Motorcycle. She came with me to one of the bike > nights at Car Pool and she > had a blast!! Just tell her that our free society government is concerned about her... and they need to introduce more and more control over its citizens. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 17:56:19 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:46:52 -0800 (PST) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Ok, so I find a great deal on a '99 VTR 1000 (SuperHawk 996). It'd be uncomfortable but, I could afford it. Then I call my insurance co. (colonial) They wont even insure it. So, I call progressive. 2000/per year!!?? Wait a second I'm old (kinda'), no tix, no claims! My question to the class is; Is this what I should expect or is this progressive's way of saying "we don't want to insure your skinny white butt either!"? And does anybody have a comany they like for multi sport bike policies? _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 18:17:41 2000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:14:02 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: James Hoofnagle CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance I'd say progressive doesn't want to sell insurance. Of course, it is possible that the VTR has a very high IGR number. Meaning they are involved in thefts and accidents a lot more than a boring cruiser type. I pay 300+ for my scoot, full coverage and it's worth a few more bucks than a VTR. Methinks you better shop around or get out the Astro-Glide and bend ovah... Bill James Hoofnagle wrote: > Ok, so I find a great deal on a '99 VTR 1000 (SuperHawk 996). It'd be > uncomfortable but, I could afford it. Then I call my insurance co. > (colonial) They wont even insure it. So, I call progressive. 2000/per > year!!?? Wait a second I'm old (kinda'), no tix, no claims! > My question to the class is; Is this what I should expect or is this > progressive's way of saying "we don't want to insure your skinny white butt > either!"? And does anybody have a comany they like for multi sport bike > policies? > _______________________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you. > > James > E-TKT > > _______________________________________________________ > Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 18:52:28 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: Cc: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Fastlane vs. Mailorder Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:49:19 -0500 I think that was KowaTools, and they are NO longer on sale. T > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:20 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: AA DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Fastlane vs. Mailorder > > > Speaking of stands.. does anyone have that link where you can get both > front and rear stands, on sale, for around $127 ? They weren't > pitbulls, but still, they were stands. > > Danny > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 19:21:32 2000 From: "Perry Coleman" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:21:17 -0500 Bill, > >[snip]... get out the Astro-Glide and bend ovah... > Is that the new, for 2001, Harley? ;^) Perry _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 20:19:29 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Dr. Gridlock at it again... kids on motorcycles + ABATE of Ma ryland Response of Delegate Cryor Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:20:14 -0500 > -----Original Message-----From: "Louis F. Caplan"----- > > Dr. Gridlock finally did a follow-up column to his column about children on > motorcycles. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20073-2000Dec3.html > > Despite having a few letters from people who talked about using the criteria of > having the feet reach the footpegs, and others who talked about the positive > experience of taking their children/grandchildren for a ride, Dr. Gridlock > threw his support behind MD Delegate Jean Cryor (R-Montgomery) who pre-filed a > bill for the 2001 legislative session that would prohibit a child under the age > of 12 from riding on the back of a motorcycle. > > snip > __________________________________________________ > From: Mina Sandusky > > > b. Doesn't the Republican Party contend that a limited government > > should defer to the judgment of an educated people? > > Right. That's why they're against a womans right to choose abortion. THE CONTENT OF THE FOLLOWING POST IS JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE INFERRED IT'S GOING TO BE FROM READING THE SNIPPAGES ABOVE. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. When will politicians learn that feelings of outrage or indignation cannot be the basis of social policy in a free republic? Kids, who are too small to wear proper protective clothing, riding on the backs of motorcycles sometimes get killed in accidents. Sometimes kids are killed without the possibility of survival in the third trimester of gestation, if their mothers wish to have a late abortion. Some folks claims they have a right to indulge in a behavior that results in the death of kids. Last time I checked, the social contract guarantees each individual's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness while it merely implies the necessity of protecting each individual from the irresponsible behavior of another. Republicans as a group aren't "against a womans (sic) right to choose abortion" any more than Democrats are in favor of it. They all know a certain amount of gratuitous demagoguery is necessary to garner the support of agendized, selfish, shallow-thinking voters. I don't want kids to be killed under any avoidable circumstances. Some accidents are as unavoidable as some abortions. It's the circumstances created by the responsible adults that cause innocent kids to suffer. Life is complicated and sometimes people die. My feelings on the subject should not form the basis of social policy. If you think your feelings are more righteous than mine -- you have my sympathy. Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 23:22:18 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: ABATE of Maryland Response of Delegate Cryor Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:17:28 -0500 From: Mina Sandusky To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ABATE of Maryland Response of Delegate Cryor Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:02:04 -0500 > b. Doesn't the Republican Party contend that a limited government >should defer to the judgment of an educated people? Right. That's why they're against a womans right to choose abortion. Mina Sandusky ------------------------------------------------------ Wrong! It's not that they are against a womans right. They never believed you had one to begin with. In any case (b.) is just another Republicratic ideal platform grab to be just like Libertarians. Once again demonstrates a complete lack of imagination and originality. Don't ever trust those Demopublicans! :-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 23:30:28 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:27:33 -0500 From: "Perry Coleman" To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:12:09 -0500 FILETIME=[DCF48070:01C05E36] Chris, You took the worlds right out of my mouth. While those numbers are impressive; without a "weighting factor," such as passenger miles, they are totally meaningless. Perry ----------------------------------------------------- Hmmmm? Zero deaths in all cases (population 39 over the time span discussed). Not sure how passenger miles would figure, assuming we are talking about just motorcycle passengers. Compared to just the year 2000 for automobiles, the total number of injuries for passengers 0 (zero?) to 13 on motorcycles for all years is rather insignificant, .003%. Then .... ----------------------------- What would be a more telling story is how many child passengers actually exists. The answer is probably not many. Why chase a problem legislatively that does not exist? Kathleen Loerich ----------------------------- I believe this is the actual point. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 23:40:40 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Insurance :VTR Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:37:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:46:52 -0800 (PST) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Ok, so I find a great deal on a '99 VTR 1000 (SuperHawk 996). It'd be uncomfortable but, I could afford it. Then I call my insurance co. (colonial) They wont even insure it. So, I call progressive. 2000/per year!!?? Wait a second I'm old (kinda'), no tix, no claims! My question to the class is; Is this what I should expect or is this progressive's way of saying "we don't want to insure your skinny white butt either!"? And does anybody have a comany they like for multi sport bike policies? _______________________ Keep calling around James. I called my insco (Markel/Bikeline) three times and got three different answers: $1200, $850, $215. I took the $215 ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 08:55:25 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 07:48:58 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: VIR vs Pocono Hey folks, I am planning on going to Keith Code's school this spring either at VIR or Pocono. Any recommendations or reasons why I should chose either racetrack? This would be my fist time on a race course. Thanks George Cole 00 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 09:16:02 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:16:12 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: CC: Subject: Re: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Thanks for the facts, Bill. I appreciate your taking the time. Do you know where we can see the text of Cryor's pre-filed bill? The regular web site has only the 2000 bills. I'm curious if she ignores the existing laws requiring handholds and feet on pegs, and if she's ignoring sidecars, trikes, and other 3-wheelers. thanks, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:06:22 EST >The following is from the Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of >Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, dated 28 November 2000. > I obtained it today from the MSHA in response to the bill submitted by >Delegate Jean B. Cryor, 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, Maryland 20854. > >Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) >1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) > >1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) > >1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) > >1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) > >2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 >Nov 00) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) > >Clearly, the exceeding small number of injuries associated by motorcycles >stands in marked contrast to the injuries sustained in cars. Delegate >Cryor's legislation is "Feel Good Legislation" and the article by Dr Gridlock >is a disservice to the public for not balancing these figures before >advocating restrictive legislation. > >You have the Delegate's home address. Please feel free to send information >copies to Dr Gridlock at drgridlock@XXXXXX > >Protect your right to decide about your family. > > > >Bill Gawthrop >Maryland > >"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the >death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 10:14:19 2000 Date: 5 Dec 2000 07:14:07 -0800 To: George.Cole@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: Hi George: Brian would be best at answering this question, but I know that we're definitely doing Pocono. Brian has taken his school at both tracks, and he feels that for learning purposes, Pocono is a better track. VIR is a very technical track if you haven't seen it, and I know that for my first time at Keith code's school, which I'm taking this year too, I don't want to be at VIR!!! so pocono it is. Laura > > Hey folks, > > I am planning on going to Keith Code's school this spring either at VIR or Pocono. Any recommendations or reasons why I should chose either racetrack? > > This would be my fist time on a race course. > > Thanks > > George Cole > 00 VFR ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 10:21:27 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:14:17 -0500 The toll free number for Legislative Services is (800) 492-7122. The number for the legislative services library is 1-410-946-5400. Legislative services doesn't have copies of pre-filed bills yet. The person there said to try back around December 15. I just called Jean Cryor's office and asked for a copy. They said that they would call me back. I hate to start playing cat-and-mouse with folks even before the session begins. Oh well... OBTW, I sent e-mail to Jean Cryor's office yesterday and the aide who answered the phone remembered my name. So I wonder what's going on now. I followed the email with a hardcopy letter that will go out today. Kathleen Loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 09:16 Subject: Re: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters > Thanks for the facts, Bill. I appreciate your taking the time. > > Do you know where we can see the text of Cryor's pre-filed bill? The regular web site has only the 2000 bills. > > I'm curious if she ignores the existing laws requiring handholds and feet on pegs, and if she's ignoring sidecars, trikes, and other 3-wheelers. > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:06:22 EST > > >The following is from the Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of > >Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, dated 28 November 2000. > > I obtained it today from the MSHA in response to the bill submitted by > >Delegate Jean B. Cryor, 11700 Ambleside Drive, Potomac, Maryland 20854. > > > >Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) > >1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) > > > >1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) > > > >1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) > > > >1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) > > > >2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 > >Nov 00) > > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) > > > >Clearly, the exceeding small number of injuries associated by motorcycles > >stands in marked contrast to the injuries sustained in cars. Delegate > >Cryor's legislation is "Feel Good Legislation" and the article by Dr Gridlock > >is a disservice to the public for not balancing these figures before > >advocating restrictive legislation. > > > >You have the Delegate's home address. Please feel free to send information > >copies to Dr Gridlock at drgridlock@XXXXXX > > > >Protect your right to decide about your family. > > > > > > > >Bill Gawthrop > >Maryland > > > >"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the > >death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 10:30:16 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:30:02 EST From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Off-Topic (sort of).....Goodbye To: Hey listers, Just wanted to let you know two things. First is this is your last chance to buy my F4! :o) I have until Thursday to sell it. After that, I will be saying bye-bye to my lovely Bee. The second thing is that I am deleting this screen name. For those of you that know me well, you already know my new screen name and e-mail address. For those of you that don't, you will see my new identity in new posts very soon. Take care and thanks for listening to the sort of off-topic post. :o) Jess From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 10:43:45 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:37:50 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono Thanks for the input Laura, Hmm, So far 1 vote for VIR and 1 for Pocono. Right now I am leaning to VIR since I like a challenge of a technical layout. Anyone else have opinions? George Cole >>> LAURA GRANATO 12/05/00 10:14AM >>> On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: Hi George: Brian would be best at answering this question, but I know that we're definitely doing Pocono. Brian has taken his school at both tracks, and he feels that for learning purposes, Pocono is a better track. VIR is a very technical track if you haven't seen it, and I know that for my first time at Keith code's school, which I'm taking this year too, I don't want to be at VIR!!! so pocono it is. Laura > > Hey folks, > > I am planning on going to Keith Code's school this spring either at VIR or Pocono. Any recommendations or reasons why I should chose either racetrack? > > This would be my fist time on a race course. > > Thanks > > George Cole > 00 VFR ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 11:03:21 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Kathleen Loerich" , , Cc: Subject: Children on motorcycles - Latest and greatest information from Jean Cryor's office... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:56:05 -0500 Latest and greatest information from Jean Cryor's office... The aide called me back just a few minutes ago. She said that there is not a bill and she cannot send me a copy of it. I was told that the bill was being drafted and when it came back it was not satisfactory. The bill, in fact, was not pre-filed just a notion that something 'ought' to be done about a non-problem. The aide did not know if the bill would be rewritten and filed later. She said that the Delegate would decide about that later. I would keep up the pressure on Jean Cryor's office if you are so inclined. I was told that there was a lot of controversy about this. I replied that it was not likely to stop. I told the aide that motorcycle riders were opposed to this bill but 'others' were not. I asked why the beliefs of people who do not ride are more important than those who do. No answer. The conversation was cordial and short. I expect I'll call back later to see what happens. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 11:09:22 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CLASS classes From: bergman@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:09:05 -0500 An alternative to Keith Code (ask me why I won't attend another Keith Code class--but off the list please) is Reg Pridmore's CLASS (http://www.classrides.com). "Local" track dates are: June Sat 23 Rausch Creek Harrisburg, PA $360 June Sun 24 Rausch Creek Harrisburg, PA $360 June Mon 25 Rausch Creek Harrisburg, PA $360 H S T A D A Y! July Mon 9 Mid Ohio Lexington, OH $360 July Tue 10 Mid Ohio Lexington, OH $360 July Mon 16 Virginia Int'l Alton, VA $360 July Tue 17 Virginia Int'l Alton, VA $360 July Mon 30 Road Atlanta Braselton, GA $360 July Tue 31 Road Atlanta Braselton, GA $360 Hmmm....decisions, decisions. What to get myself for the holidays? ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 11:12:01 2000 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: VIR vs Pocono Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:12:36 -0500 Encoding: 29 TEXT Without a doubt, go to VIR. Pocono has no elevation changes, is not as pretty and is really a tri-oval road course with infield track laid out. VIR has wonderful elevation changes, is beautiful, has great facilities and is designed as a roadrace course. Plus Pocono is established, we need to support VIR whenever possible so that it will continue to develop and grow and bring more and more racing nearby. JMO Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:49 AM, George Cole [SMTP:George.Cole@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hey folks, > > I am planning on going to Keith Code's school this spring either at VIR or > Pocono. Any recommendations or reasons why I should chose either racetrack? > > This would be my fist time on a race course. > > Thanks > > George Cole > 00 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 11:30:06 2000 From: Brian Roach To: "George Cole" , Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:30:59 -0500 Cc: On Tue, 05 Dec 2000, George Cole wrote: > Thanks for the input Laura, > > Hmm, > > So far 1 vote for VIR and 1 for Pocono. Right now I am leaning to VIR since > I like a challenge of a technical layout. The south course at VIR is annoying. 70% of the turns are off-camber. Add to this that 50% of those are decreasing radius and you end up with a course that will suck you in and spit you off your bike if you make one mistake. You will learn less, and probably crash, risking having to sit out the rest of your class. When we went down there, almost everyone from DC-Cycles (but one guy I think?) crashed. Luckily, Code's people were pretty good about making some judgement calls due to the track layout and letting people continue. Yes, that would mean I crashed as well. During an "extra" session after the class on Friday they let a bunch of the real idiots out with no rules except we weren't supposed to do wheelies... Never let a bunch of road-racers out on a track on rented bikes :) In one of the aforementioned decreasing radius, off-camber turns I managed to drag the side of the bike until I managed to lever the bike off the ground. Oops. Too much speed, got sucked in. Also, while there is merit to learning how to deal with off-camber, decreasing radius turns... they simply don't occur that often on the street OR on a racetrack. A "normal" race course (The south course was made to be a training course) you might have one off-camber, and *maybe* two decreasing radius if it's a big track. Spedning all day trying to navigate 6 or 7 of these things takes away from time you could be spending on learning how to corner a bike in what you'll usually find - constant and increasing radius turns. Pocono, on the other hand, is an excellent track for learning. It's fairly flat, has nice pavement, and a variety of turn types. Distance to both places is about the same (It's actually a hair shorter drive to poccono I think). Anyway... Laura and I will be going to the Poccono one (hopefully, I'm going to call them today - the classes fill up *quick*), both days. This means I'll have two more spots available in my trailer to haul bikes... first come first serve to DC-Cycles listers who are going to take the class. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 11:53:29 2000 Date: 5 Dec 2000 08:53:11 -0800 To: George.Cole@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: > I would like to make one other point, if you don't mind. Technical is good, yes...but for learning, and especially if it's your first time on the track. My first time on the track was track day at summit. Boy...it's a hell of a lot different than being on the street. My first time on my new race bike, and taking a class where I'm going to learn, I'd rather be able to focus on the track and not worrying about all of the technical stuff. I want to eventually be able to deal with the technical stuff, but I think when i'm learning, the less I have to focus on to learn, the better I'll be and more I'll learn. LAG > Thanks for the input Laura, > > Hmm, > > So far 1 vote for VIR and 1 for Pocono. Right now I am leaning to VIR since I like a challenge of a technical layout. > > Anyone else have opinions? > > George Cole > > > > >>> LAURA GRANATO 12/05/00 10:14AM >>> > On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: > > Hi George: Brian would be best at answering this question, but I know that we're definitely doing Pocono. Brian has taken his school at both tracks, and he feels that for learning purposes, Pocono is a better track. VIR is a very technical track if you haven't seen it, and I know that for my first time at Keith code's school, which I'm taking this year too, I don't want to be at VIR!!! so pocono it is. > > Laura > > > > Hey folks, > > > > I am planning on going to Keith Code's school this spring either at VIR or Pocono. Any recommendations or reasons why I should chose either racetrack? > > > > This would be my fist time on a race course. > > > > Thanks > > > > George Cole > > 00 VFR > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 12:09:18 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:58:17 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono Thanks Bryan, Excellent response, just what I was looking for, now maybe I am leaning back towards Pocono. This sounds like it would be probably more fun since I will have more time to focus on Technique and form. But they don't let you do wheelies :o( ? George >>> Brian Roach 12/05/00 11:30AM >>> wrote: The south course at VIR is annoying. 70% of the turns are off-camber. Add to this that 50% of those are decreasing radius and you end up with a course that will suck you in and spit you off your bike if you make one mistake. You will learn less, and probably crash, risking having to sit out the rest of your class. When we went down there, almost everyone from DC-Cycles (but one guy I think?) crashed. Luckily, Code's people were pretty good about making some judgement calls due to the track layout and letting people continue. Yes, that would mean I crashed as well. During an "extra" session after the class on Friday they let a bunch of the real idiots out with no rules except we weren't supposed to do wheelies... Never let a bunch of road-racers out on a track on rented bikes :) In one of the aforementioned decreasing radius, off-camber turns I managed to drag the side of the bike until I managed to lever the bike off the ground. Oops. Too much speed, got sucked in. Also, while there is merit to learning how to deal with off-camber, decreasing radius turns... they simply don't occur that often on the street OR on a racetrack. A "normal" race course (The south course was made to be a training course) you might have one off-camber, and *maybe* two decreasing radius if it's a big track. Spedning all day trying to navigate 6 or 7 of these things takes away from time you could be spending on learning how to corner a bike in what you'll usually find - constant and increasing radius turns. Pocono, on the other hand, is an excellent track for learning. It's fairly flat, has nice pavement, and a variety of turn types. Distance to both places is about the same (It's actually a hair shorter drive to poccono I think). Anyway... Laura and I will be going to the Poccono one (hopefully, I'm going to call them today - the classes fill up *quick*), both days. This means I'll have two more spots available in my trailer to haul bikes... first come first serve to DC-Cycles listers who are going to take the class. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 12:30:17 2000 From: Brian Roach To: LAURA GRANATO , George.Cole@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:31:17 -0500 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As per usual, the best laid plans of mice and men... Poccono is full for "Bring your own bike". "Oh, well... the schedule was actually done about 3 weeks before it was posted to the web" I HATE NON-INTERNET COMPANIES. SO... we're going to VIR :) I still think Poccono is a better learning track, but I don't want to ride their bikes, so that's kinda out. I got the last Lev 4 "bring your own" spot at VIR, so at least that's something. ::sigh:: Again, if you were planning on riding their bikes, I'd really think about poccono... VIR *is* a very nice place to go, as Danny said, but I think the track layout is harder. I'm also re-counting the turns in my head (Wow... I feel like I'm in florida..) off-camber: 2 decreasing: 2 off-camber + decreasing: 1 other: 5 So... I guess it isn't THAT bad... it's just got this one turn that really is a ... well, it's exactly what it's called on the track map: "The Bitch" Sorry for the confusion, I just had no idea they'd fill up THIS early. And the offer still stands, I have 2 spots available for hauling bikes, first come first serve. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 12:30:37 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:25:00 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono Ok all good points, I caved, and switched to May 21st at Pocono. Just so I can hang around you guys. Just FYI They only have 9 spots left if you are going to use their bikes, and apparently none left if you are using your own. Cheers, George Cole PS Chuck, I am not a Wuss! >>> LAURA GRANATO 12/05/00 11:53AM >>> On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: > I would like to make one other point, if you don't mind. Technical is good, yes...but for learning, and especially if it's your first time on the track. My first time on the track was track day at summit. Boy...it's a hell of a lot different than being on the street. My first time on my new race bike, and taking a class where I'm going to learn, I'd rather be able to focus on the track and not worrying about all of the technical stuff. I want to eventually be able to deal with the technical stuff, but I think when i'm learning, the less I have to focus on to learn, the better I'll be and more I'll learn. LAG > Thanks for the input Laura, > > Hmm, > > So far 1 vote for VIR and 1 for Pocono. Right now I am leaning to VIR since I like a challenge of a technical layout. > > Anyone else have opinions? > > George Cole > > > > >>> LAURA GRANATO 12/05/00 10:14AM >>> > On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: > > Hi George: Brian would be best at answering this question, but I know that we're definitely doing Pocono. Brian has taken his school at both tracks, and he feels that for learning purposes, Pocono is a better track. VIR is a very technical track if you haven't seen it, and I know that for my first time at Keith code's school, which I'm taking this year too, I don't want to be at VIR!!! so pocono it is. > > Laura > > > > Hey folks, > > > > I am planning on going to Keith Code's school this spring either at VIR or Pocono. Any recommendations or reasons why I should chose either racetrack? > > > > This would be my fist time on a race course. > > > > Thanks > > > > George Cole > > 00 VFR > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 12:55:06 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:54:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: My bike on eBay I want it...let's pool out cash and buy it....kind of like the tire changer. We'll keep it at my house. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=517203931&r=0&t=0 http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~corneill/ebay3/rc45details.jpg -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 13:38:47 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:26:14 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono Well Shite, You all talked me into Pocono so I am going there now. It looks like fun. Maybe I will try VIR next time. Later, George >>> Brian Roach 12/05/00 12:31PM >>> As per usual, the best laid plans of mice and men... Poccono is full for "Bring your own bike". "Oh, well... the schedule was actually done about 3 weeks before it was posted to the web" I HATE NON-INTERNET COMPANIES. SO... we're going to VIR :) I still think Poccono is a better learning track, but I don't want to ride their bikes, so that's kinda out. I got the last Lev 4 "bring your own" spot at VIR, so at least that's something. ::sigh:: Again, if you were planning on riding their bikes, I'd really think about poccono... VIR *is* a very nice place to go, as Danny said, but I think the track layout is harder. I'm also re-counting the turns in my head (Wow... I feel like I'm in florida..) off-camber: 2 decreasing: 2 off-camber + decreasing: 1 other: 5 So... I guess it isn't THAT bad... it's just got this one turn that really is a ... well, it's exactly what it's called on the track map: "The Bitch" Sorry for the confusion, I just had no idea they'd fill up THIS early. And the offer still stands, I have 2 spots available for hauling bikes, first come first serve. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 13:55:21 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:55:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Insurance To: James Hoofnagle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX try state farm (agent charles sumpter; 301 657-2323) they base their premiums on engine size, not bike type, so premiums on sportbikes are VERY reasonable (~$500/year full coverage on the duc). i think that you may have to insure your 4-wheeled vehicle with them (if one exists) in order to get the best rate. good luck > James Hoofnagle wrote: > > > Ok, so I find a great deal on a '99 VTR 1000 (SuperHawk > 996). It'd be > > uncomfortable but, I could afford it. Then I call my > insurance co. > > (colonial) They wont even insure it. So, I call > progressive. 2000/per > > year!!?? Wait a second I'm old (kinda'), no tix, no > claims! > > My question to the class is; Is this what I should > expect or is this > > progressive's way of saying "we don't want to insure > your skinny white butt > > either!"? And does anybody have a comany they like for > multi sport bike > > policies? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 13:57:16 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Re: Under 12 Motorcycle Rider Facts: For your letters Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:50:04 -0500 I received a request for Delegate Cryor's contact information. For those who missed it, here it is. http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/msa12204.html JEAN B. CRYOR, Republican, District 15, Montgomery County. Lowe House Office Building, Room 226 84 College Ave. Annapolis, MD 21401 - 1991 (301) 858-3090, (410) 841-3090 1-800-492-7122, ext. 3090 (toll free) e-mail: jean_cryor@XXXXXX fax: (301) 858-3850, (410) 841-3850 Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 14:00:21 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:00:10 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono To: George Cole , lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gbraunst@XXXXXX George and Laura- All set! I'm registered for the May 21st Pocono class. Btw - for anyone who's up in the air, you're better off registering and then cancelling later, b/c they will give you a full refund if you cancel at least 14 days before class. I'm pumped and looking forward it!! Glenn --- George Cole wrote: > Ok all good points, I caved, and switched to May > 21st at Pocono. Just so I can hang around you guys. > > Just FYI They only have 9 spots left if you are > going to use their bikes, and apparently none left > if you are using your own. > > Cheers, > George Cole > > PS Chuck, I am not a Wuss! > > > > > >>> LAURA GRANATO 12/05/00 > 11:53AM >>> > On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: > > > I would like to make one other point, if you don't > mind. Technical is good, yes...but for learning, > and especially if it's your first time on the track. > My first time on the track was track day at summit. > Boy...it's a hell of a lot different than being on > the street. My first time on my new race bike, and > taking a class where I'm going to learn, I'd rather > be able to focus on the track and not worrying about > all of the technical stuff. I want to eventually be > able to deal with the technical stuff, but I think > when i'm learning, the less I have to focus on to > learn, the better I'll be and more I'll learn. > > LAG > > Thanks for the input Laura, > > > > Hmm, > > > > So far 1 vote for VIR and 1 for Pocono. Right now > I am leaning to VIR since I like a challenge of a > technical layout. > > > > Anyone else have opinions? > > > > George Cole > > > > > > > > >>> LAURA GRANATO 12/05/00 > 10:14AM >>> > > On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: > > > > Hi George: Brian would be best at answering this > question, but I know that we're definitely doing > Pocono. Brian has taken his school at both tracks, > and he feels that for learning purposes, Pocono is a > better track. VIR is a very technical track if you > haven't seen it, and I know that for my first time > at Keith code's school, which I'm taking this year > too, I don't want to be at VIR!!! so pocono it is. > > > > Laura > > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > I am planning on going to Keith Code's school > this spring either at VIR or Pocono. Any > recommendations or reasons why I should chose either > racetrack? > > > > > > This would be my fist time on a race course. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > George Cole > > > 00 VFR > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 14:05:33 2000 Date: 5 Dec 2000 11:05:22 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: off-topic: framemaker/pagemaker Does anyone on the list have any experience with framemaker or pagemaker? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 14:33:10 2000 From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: CLASS classes Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:32:55 -0500 I'm already signed up for the June 23 session. I'm also doing Phase I (again) and II of FAST this year. Woohoo!! LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ bergman@XXXXXX said: An alternative to Keith Code (ask me why I won't attend another Keith Code class--but off the list please) is Reg Pridmore's CLASS (http://www.classrides.com). "Local" track dates are: From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 14:49:17 2000 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: School days ... school days ... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:50:21 -0500 Ok... after all the emails, it looks like: Glenn and George are signed up for CSS at Poccono. Laura, Brian, Han, and Matt are signed up for CSS at VIR Linda is signed up for CLASS (FAST?). Laura, Brian, and Han are also going to AmericanSuperCamp in Harrington, DE, due to Han telling me they were doing it in DE (@#&^@^!!) Heh.. j/k, I've always wanted to do it, didn't know they did it 10 miles from my road-racing sponsor. The more the merrier - just thought I'd post a Summary so people who are interested know where there will people they know. -- Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 14:49:26 2000 From: Mina Sandusky To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Warning abortion stuff RE Crash reply Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:49:14 -0500 My apologies to the list for posting off topic. I trashed the posting from Crash but later had a friend forward it to me so that I could respond. In the process his address got lost. Please respond to my account rather than the list. Crash wrote: > Sometimes kids are killed without the > possibility of survival in the third trimester of gestation, if their > mothers wish to have a late abortion. Some folks claims they have a right > to indulge in a behavior that results in the death of kids. Last time I > checked, the social contract guarantees each individual's right to life, > liberty, and the pursuit of happiness while it merely implies the > necessity > of protecting each individual from the irresponsible behavior of another. > Republicans as a group aren't "against a womans (sic) right to choose > abortion" any more than Democrats are in favor of it. They all know a > certain amount of gratuitous demagoguery is necessary to garner the > support > of agendized, selfish, shallow-thinking voters. I don't want kids to be > killed under any avoidable circumstances. Some accidents are as > unavoidable > as some abortions. It's the circumstances created by the responsible > adults > that cause innocent kids to suffer. > So you are against government interference. Good. But you imply that women who choose abortion are irresponsible and killing kids. No form of birth-control is 100% effective except abstinance. So do you think that the only way to have (heterosexual) sexual intercourse responsibly would be in the case that the woman is ready and willing to bear children? May every woman you date and/or marry be responsible at all times. Mina Sandusky msandusky@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 14:50:53 2000 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: VIR vs Pocono Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:51:47 -0500 Encoding: 66 TEXT Bryan is right about the South course and new beginner and all, I just love VIR. You might want to check and see which course they are using. Of course if you can get together with Bryan and others at Pococno, the more the merrier. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:58 AM, George Cole [SMTP:George.Cole@XXXXXX] wrote: > Thanks Bryan, > > Excellent response, just what I was looking for, now maybe I am leaning back > towards Pocono. This sounds like it would be probably more fun since I will > have more time to focus on Technique and form. > > But they don't let you do wheelies :o( ? > > George > > > >>> Brian Roach 12/05/00 11:30AM >>> wrote: > > The south course at VIR is annoying. 70% of the turns are off-camber. Add to > this that 50% of those are decreasing radius and you end up with a course > that will suck you in and spit you off your bike if you make one mistake. > You will learn less, and probably crash, risking having to sit out the rest > of your class. When we went down there, almost everyone from DC-Cycles (but > one guy I think?) crashed. Luckily, Code's people were pretty good about > making some judgement calls due to the track layout and letting people > continue. Yes, that would mean I crashed as well. During an "extra" session > after the class on Friday they let a bunch of the real idiots out with no > rules except we weren't supposed to do wheelies... Never let a bunch of > road-racers out on a track on rented bikes :) In one of the aforementioned > decreasing radius, off-camber turns I managed to drag the side of the bike > until I managed to lever the bike off the ground. Oops. Too much speed, got > sucked in. > > Also, while there is merit to learning how to deal with off-camber, > decreasing radius turns... they simply don't occur that often on the street > OR on a racetrack. A "normal" race course (The south course was made to be a > training course) you might have one off-camber, and *maybe* two decreasing > radius if it's a big track. Spedning all day trying to navigate 6 or 7 of > these things takes away from time you could be spending on learning how to > corner a bike in what you'll usually find - constant and increasing radius > turns. > > Pocono, on the other hand, is an excellent track for learning. It's fairly > flat, has nice pavement, and a variety of turn types. Distance to both places > > is about the same (It's actually a hair shorter drive to poccono I think). > > Anyway... Laura and I will be going to the Poccono one (hopefully, I'm going > to call them today - the classes fill up *quick*), both days. This means I'll > > have two more spots available in my trailer to haul bikes... first come first > > serve to DC-Cycles listers who are going to take the class. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 15:05:29 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I use progessive to insure my Triumph Trophy 1200 hundred. I am not sure of the exact costs but I believe I can get full coverage for around $950. (And I need a sr25). I own the bike so I only have liability. I am 32 and do not have a great driving record. I wonder what the big dif is. HMMMMMMMMMM, Peace Trey --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Ok, so I find a great deal on a '99 VTR 1000 > (SuperHawk 996). It'd be > uncomfortable but, I could afford it. Then I call > my insurance co. > (colonial) They wont even insure it. So, I call > progressive. 2000/per > year!!?? Wait a second I'm old (kinda'), no tix, no > claims! > My question to the class is; Is this what I should > expect or is this > progressive's way of saying "we don't want to insure > your skinny white butt > either!"? And does anybody have a comany they like > for multi sport bike > policies? > _______________________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you. > > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 15:06:36 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:59:13 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: VIR vs Pocono Cool, It should be a great time. I hope the weather is good. Of course I may get hooked on the racing thing and...then? Well that's why we have credit cards right? Later, George >>> Glenn Braunstein 12/05/00 02:00PM >>> George and Laura- All set! I'm registered for the May 21st Pocono class. Btw - for anyone who's up in the air, you're better off registering and then cancelling later, b/c they will give you a full refund if you cancel at least 14 days before class. I'm pumped and looking forward it!! Glenn --- George Cole wrote: > Ok all good points, I caved, and switched to May > 21st at Pocono. Just so I can hang around you guys. > > Just FYI They only have 9 spots left if you are > going to use their bikes, and apparently none left > if you are using your own. > > Cheers, > George Cole > > PS Chuck, I am not a Wuss! > > > > > >>> LAURA GRANATO 12/05/00 > 11:53AM >>> > On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: > > > I would like to make one other point, if you don't > mind. Technical is good, yes...but for learning, > and especially if it's your first time on the track. > My first time on the track was track day at summit. > Boy...it's a hell of a lot different than being on > the street. My first time on my new race bike, and > taking a class where I'm going to learn, I'd rather > be able to focus on the track and not worrying about > all of the technical stuff. I want to eventually be > able to deal with the technical stuff, but I think > when i'm learning, the less I have to focus on to > learn, the better I'll be and more I'll learn. > > LAG > > Thanks for the input Laura, > > > > Hmm, > > > > So far 1 vote for VIR and 1 for Pocono. Right now > I am leaning to VIR since I like a challenge of a > technical layout. > > > > Anyone else have opinions? > > > > George Cole > > > > > > > > >>> LAURA GRANATO 12/05/00 > 10:14AM >>> > > On Tue, 05 December 2000, "George Cole" wrote: > > > > Hi George: Brian would be best at answering this > question, but I know that we're definitely doing > Pocono. Brian has taken his school at both tracks, > and he feels that for learning purposes, Pocono is a > better track. VIR is a very technical track if you > haven't seen it, and I know that for my first time > at Keith code's school, which I'm taking this year > too, I don't want to be at VIR!!! so pocono it is. > > > > Laura > > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > I am planning on going to Keith Code's school > this spring either at VIR or Pocono. Any > recommendations or reasons why I should chose either > racetrack? > > > > > > This would be my fist time on a race course. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > George Cole > > > 00 VFR > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 15:18:21 2000 Subject: Re: Insurance To: James Hoofnagle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:16:48 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 12/05/2000 03:18:20 PM James try State Farm, I was paying $580/yr for my 2000 Aprilia RSV Mille, State Farm quoted me $405/yr ( with better coverage ) if I switched my cage too. They did give a better deal on my cage but I upped the coverage ( ALOT ) and am only paying about 20 bucks more per 6 mos. for my 1998 Suburban. I have one accident and one ticket 55 in a 25...OUCH!!!!. Well hoped this helped. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGCR - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX James Hoofnagle cc: Subject: Insurance 12-04-2000 05:46 PM Ok, so I find a great deal on a '99 VTR 1000 (SuperHawk 996). It'd be uncomfortable but, I could afford it. Then I call my insurance co. (colonial) They wont even insure it. So, I call progressive. 2000/per year!!?? Wait a second I'm old (kinda'), no tix, no claims! My question to the class is; Is this what I should expect or is this progressive's way of saying "we don't want to insure your skinny white butt either!"? And does anybody have a comany they like for multi sport bike policies? _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 15:34:38 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:29:04 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: School days ... school days ... The main reason I chose CCS is they supply the bikes. I don't plan on crashing but if I do I am only liable for $ 750.00. If I crash my VFR I am liable for all of it, since I only have liability ins. I am however, looking for a used 600 for around 3K for a trackday and back road scratcher. I have seen a few FZR's in the paper lately and may go look at them. If anyone knows of a bike that has low mileage, garage kept, good maintenance etc, and the owner needs cash desperately, let me know. All of the FZR 400's I have seen have been raced to death. George >>> Brian Roach 12/05/00 02:50PM >>> Ok... after all the emails, it looks like: Glenn and George are signed up for CSS at Poccono. Laura, Brian, Han, and Matt are signed up for CSS at VIR Linda is signed up for CLASS (FAST?). Laura, Brian, and Han are also going to AmericanSuperCamp in Harrington, DE, due to Han telling me they were doing it in DE (@#&^@^!!) Heh.. j/k, I've always wanted to do it, didn't know they did it 10 miles from my road-racing sponsor. The more the merrier - just thought I'd post a Summary so people who are interested know where there will people they know. -- Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 15:41:49 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Insurance To: Trey Herb , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Trey Herb wrote: > I use progessive to insure my Triumph Trophy 1200 > hundred. I am not sure of the exact costs but I > believe I can get full coverage for around $950. (And > I need a sr25). I own the bike so I only have > liability. i used to do it this way too....until i realized how much more fun riding is when you don't have to worry about pissing away $6-16k because of a wet leaf or a walnut in the road. full coverage provides peace-of-mind in a big way. > I am 32 and do not have a great driving record. I wonder > what the big dif is. the big dif is that progressive first got viable, then got rich, by ripping off 'high risk' drivers. now that they don't need these folks anymore to raise fundage, they're trying to chase 'em away with lofty premiums. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 15:54:52 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:37:07 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Insurance I have progressive too, just liability. They want about 900 for my 00VFR (36, clean record, garage, etc) State Farm is only about $ 300.00 but they require you to have your car policy with them too. They are about $ 300 more expensive per year on my Honda CRV. but way cheaper on the MC. I will probably switch to them in the Spring, since I really should have coverage on the VFR. I just stitched to Progressive this summer on my CRV and had to send the stupid MD DMV about 4 FR-19 forms to show that I had coverage. What a PITA. George >>> Trey Herb 12/05/00 02:42PM >>> I use progessive to insure my Triumph Trophy 1200 hundred. I am not sure of the exact costs but I believe I can get full coverage for around $950. (And I need a sr25). I own the bike so I only have liability. I am 32 and do not have a great driving record. I wonder what the big dif is. HMMMMMMMMMM, Peace Trey --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Ok, so I find a great deal on a '99 VTR 1000 > (SuperHawk 996). It'd be > uncomfortable but, I could afford it. Then I call > my insurance co. > (colonial) They wont even insure it. So, I call > progressive. 2000/per > year!!?? Wait a second I'm old (kinda'), no tix, no > claims! > My question to the class is; Is this what I should > expect or is this > progressive's way of saying "we don't want to insure > your skinny white butt > either!"? And does anybody have a comany they like > for multi sport bike > policies? > _______________________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you. > > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 15:55:11 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:54:58 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just got the insurance back in July, and I do not think my rate is very high. do you mean to say they have gotten viable, fundage and rich since then. I do not think so. If so I am in the wrong business. You are correct about the full coverage thing. I think I will get the collision added on. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Trey Herb wrote: > > I use progessive to insure my Triumph Trophy 1200 > > hundred. I am not sure of the exact costs but I > > believe I can get full coverage for around $950. > (And > > I need a sr25). I own the bike so I only have > > liability. > > i used to do it this way too....until i realized how > much > more fun riding is when you don't have to worry > about > pissing away $6-16k because of a wet leaf or a > walnut in > the road. full coverage provides peace-of-mind in a > big > way. > > > > I am 32 and do not have a great driving record. I > wonder > > what the big dif is. > > the big dif is that progressive first got viable, > then got > rich, by ripping off 'high risk' drivers. now that > they > don't need these folks anymore to raise fundage, > they're > trying to chase 'em away with lofty premiums. > > > -- > tg > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 16:17:01 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:13:20 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: off-topic: framemaker/pagemaker Not much, but I have Microsoft Publisher if you want to *pirate* the program onto your computer - have the manual too - good doorstop :-) Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Does anyone on the list have any experience with framemaker or pagemaker? > > LAG > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 16:21:34 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:16:15 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. To: DC Cycles I didn't have any trouble at the MVA over insurance (about the only thing that WASN'T a problem). Just gave the company and policy number. Any idea what caused the problem with Progressive? And for all those VA riders out there, any tips for removing the registration sticker from the fork? Damn thing must be made out of kevlar.... Todd ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 16:22:00 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: SPAM: I have for sale the following: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:22:41 -0500 '00 Suzuki SV650. Blue with dragbars and 20 weight oil in the front springs, F-15 Sport Shield from National Cycles on the way. 1000 miles. EC $5300. '00 Kawasaki EX500. Blue, stock. Minor rash on left exhaust can (~1/2" wide x 2" long). 750 miles. EC $4100. '96 Timberwolf 6' x 10' fully enclosed trailer with ramp rear door and normal opening side door. 18" square wind open/closed vent window, 2 interior lights switched at both doors. Black with stickers. Tires in good shape. Single axle, not braked. GC $1800. E-mail or call (540) 349 - 9992 for pictures of each or go to my website listed in sig (onewayracing.org) Danny '00 SV '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 17:02:54 2000 From: Carsten Watzl To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:02:48 -0500 I used to have Allstate for my YZF600. In Maryland they were the cheapest (quotes from different companies ranged from $360 to over $2000 per year for full coverage!). Progressive was the most expensive at that time. And my Allstate agent was aware that it was a sport bike (he admitted that $360/year for full coverage was a great deal, but he could offer it as the YZF600 was not listed as a high risk bike in his computer). After I moved to DC the rate with Allstate TRIPLED! (over $1100/year for full coverage with the same agent). So I shopped around and just switched all my insurance's to State Farm. They insure my bike for little over $400/year with full coverage. GREAT!! One tip: I called several State Farm agents in DC and they wouldn't even give me a quote for my bike until I signed my car policy with them! So I called an agent in Maryland and first asked for a quote for my car and then told them that I am also interested in insuring my bike with them. No problem. They didn't even mention that I need to insure my car with them in order to get my bike covered. Another tip: If you switch your home owners or renters insurance to State Farm you get a break on your car insurance (unfortunately NOT on the bike insurance). So: SHOP AROUND!!! Carsten > ---------- > From: Trey Herb > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2000 2:42 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Insurance > > I use progessive to insure my Triumph Trophy 1200 > hundred. I am not sure of the exact costs but I > believe I can get full coverage for around $950. (And > I need a sr25). I own the bike so I only have > liability. I am 32 and do not have a great driving > record. I wonder what the big dif is. > > HMMMMMMMMMM, > > Peace > > Trey > > > --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > > Ok, so I find a great deal on a '99 VTR 1000 > > (SuperHawk 996). It'd be > > uncomfortable but, I could afford it. Then I call > > my insurance co. > > (colonial) They wont even insure it. So, I call > > progressive. 2000/per > > year!!?? Wait a second I'm old (kinda'), no tix, no > > claims! > > My question to the class is; Is this what I should > > expect or is this > > progressive's way of saying "we don't want to insure > > your skinny white butt > > either!"? And does anybody have a comany they like > > for multi sport bike > > policies? > > _______________________ > > They can't hit you, > > if they can't catch you. > > > > James > > E-TKT > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet > > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 17:11:13 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:11:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Insurance To: Trey Herb , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Trey Herb wrote: > I just got the insurance back in July, and I do not > think my rate is very high. do you mean to say they > have gotten viable, fundage and rich since then. nope.... since the late 80s-early 90s, when progressive aggresively sought out high-risk drivers, it has become one of the most profitable (if not THE most profitable) insurance companies. now that it is swimming in cash, it doesn't need to take on the higher-risk stuff. this (plus the fact that we ride "sportbikes," according to the VINs) is why james and i get outrageous quotes when we call progressive. i actually think your $950 quote for full coverage from progressive is quite high too....especially if the trophy isn't considered by progressive to be a "sportbike." > You are correct about the full coverage thing. I think > I will get the collision added on. good call. i bet you'll notice the change in your riding like i did. > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Trey Herb wrote: > > i used to do it this way too....until i realized how > > much more fun riding is when you don't have to worry > > about pissing away $6-16k because of a wet leaf or a > > walnut in the road. full coverage provides peace-of- > > mind in a big way. > > > > > I am 32 and do not have a great driving record. I > > > wonder what the big dif is. > > > > the big dif is that progressive first got viable, > > then got rich, by ripping off 'high risk' drivers. now > > that they don't need these folks anymore to raise > > fundage, they're trying to chase 'em away with lofty > > premiums. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 18:12:48 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: Cc: Subject: Re: School days ... school days ... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:15:18 -0500 > > > Laura, Brian, and Han are also going to AmericanSuperCamp in Harrington, DE, > due to Han telling me they were doing it in DE (@#&^@^!!) Heh.. j/k, I've > always wanted to do it, didn't know they did it 10 miles from my road-racing > sponsor OK, now that I've checked out the AmericanSuperCamp web site to see what the hell I'm in for, who is on board to come take pictures of me falling on my ass in the dirt and crying repeatedly? LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 18:41:39 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 18:38:01 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: etrigan@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. E. Rittershausen wrote: > And for all those VA riders out there, any tips for removing the > registration sticker from the fork? Damn thing must be made out of > kevlar.... > I use a single edge razor at a low angle to shave the sticker and then get the glue with gasolene or whatever serious paint thinner is handy. CAUTION: Many plaine aluminum forks are coated with clear something to keep them looking shiny. A heavy hand on the razor can make short work of that, and some solvents - carb cleaner, brake cleaner - can affect it also. Gas and paint thinners seem to have no effect. Course, I haven't removed one recently, have a nice three tax sticker collection going. Next year put it on a plate bolted to the frame. Not exactly legal but there's thousands of bikes doing it that way and I've never heard of anyone getting busted for it. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 20:03:07 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Fwd: American Supercamp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Brian/Laura- > > I saw you guys mention American Supercamp in today's > postings, but I've never heard of it. Now that I'm > finally making it to CSS this year, I'm interested > in > seeing what other race/track/riding schools are out > there. Can you fill me in on the Supercamp, or at > least point me to a website? > > Thanks, > Glenn > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 23:07:03 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: James Hoofnagle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:08:00 -0800 Proggressives slogan should be "we want to insure you....bend over" Try state farm. Transfer your car over to them if you have to, the amount you save on your bike will be worth it. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 23:11:59 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: James Hoofnagle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:12:59 -0800 btw my 95 kawasaki ninja zx6R is $250 a year. age 25 no accidents and no tickets within the past 3 years at the time. put my car under thier unsirance as the primary vehicle. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 23:22:50 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: School days ... school days ... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:20:33 -0500 I'll volunteer for that detail if I can't swing the cash to take the school myself. I figure if I can't humiliate myself, I might as well document the humiliation of others. Besides, contrary to popular belief, there are some good roads in southern Delaware. Are you guys taking the March session? -James > OK, now that I've checked out the AmericanSuperCamp web site to see what the > hell I'm in for, who is on board to come take pictures of me falling on my > ass in the dirt and crying repeatedly? > > LAG > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 23:28:08 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: bergman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CLASS classes Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:29:10 -0800 which class is the closest? VA? PA? How far away are they? looks real interesting ;) Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 23:32:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB64Wnh15143 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-130.s130.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.130]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 143WG7-0006Qp-00 ; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:32:47 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Laura Granato" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: School days ... school days ... Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:33:52 -0800 Message-ID: References: <0012051450210T.22799@www.mostlyharmless.net> <004901c05f11$3d4097e0$7b59273f@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <004901c05f11$3d4097e0$7b59273f@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB64Woh15144 On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:15:18 -0500, you wrote: |>hell I'm in for, who is on board to come take pictures of me falling on my |>ass in the dirt and crying repeatedly? Do they get to keep taking pictures of your bruised parts after you take the leathers off? Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 23:38:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB64cvh15234 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-130.s130.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.130]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 143WM0-00076k-00 ; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:38:52 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: etrigan@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:39:53 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20001205221615.3125.qmail@web1206.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20001205221615.3125.qmail@web1206.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB64dGh15235 On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:16:15 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>I didn't have any trouble at the MVA over insurance (about the only |>thing that WASN'T a problem). Just gave the company and policy number. |> Any idea what caused the problem with Progressive? It seems like any time i switch INS companies, the old company notifies MVA that my INS was cancelled, however the new company doesn't notify MVA of the new coverage... until I get that little FR-19 request... Then I call the INS co and have them fax the FR-19 to the MVA and the problem is solved. Screw going to the MVA or standing in line. Found out that little secret. What I want to know is.. if you live in VA.. and sign the form saying you have INS.. and you do at the time.. and you cancel it afterwards.. are you breaking the law? |>And for all those VA riders out there, any tips for removing the |>registration sticker from the fork? Damn thing must be made out of |>kevlar.... It's welded on.. :) Try heat.. a drop light.. a hair dryer.. candle.. blow torch... something :) try a razor too.. atleast to get it started... and try some "goo be gone" or any generic equivilant. Heat should do it I think. Burn baby burn :) Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 07:17:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6CHNh22110 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-83.patriot.net [209.249.180.83]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eB6CFxx01039; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:17:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3A2E2D2B.8FA398EA@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:12:27 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: etrigan@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. References: <20001205221615.3125.qmail@web1206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > What I want to know is.. if you live in VA.. and sign the form saying > you have INS.. and you do at the time.. and you cancel it afterwards.. > are you breaking the law? > Yes, unless you pay the uninsured motorist fee - $750 I think. The DMV is supposed to send you a nastygram but I believe there's a lot of slippage considering the number of uninsureds running around VA. They're very diligent about those f----g tax stickers though. No insurance, no problem, 19 DUIs, no problem, no tax sticker!!! Sheeeiiit, throw that scofflaw in jail!!! Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 07:33:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from spaw1.hq.af.mil (spaw1.hq.af.mil [134.205.190.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6CXMh22310 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cais.com (uj463c.comm.hq.af.mil [134.205.83.75]) by spaw1.hq.af.mil (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA95362 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:32:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3A2E3220.D9659111@cais.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:33:36 -0500 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance References: <5474778.975970012029.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... Progressive gives me full coverage on my 2000 Ducati M750 for $212 /yr. I'm 38, clean driving record. I went through their web page for that price. Maybe their quote engine is really just a random number generator :-) --Jim daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Proggressives slogan should be "we want to insure you....bend over" > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 07:41:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB6Cf7h22416 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:41:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001206124058.29426.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 04:40:58 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. To: Bill Huson , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: etrigan@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The good news about the tax sticker is its only enforced in the county where you happen to live. In other words if you don't have a Fairfax sticker and get pulled over in Fauquier county, the Fauquier county cop can not give you a ticket for no Fairfax sticker... Glenn --- Bill Huson wrote: They're very > diligent about those f----g tax stickers though. No > insurance, no problem, > 19 DUIs, no problem, no tax sticker!!! Sheeeiiit, > throw that scofflaw in > jail!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 08:02:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6D26h22703 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-83.patriot.net [209.249.180.83]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eB6D0Yx04924; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:00:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3A2E379E.AA0447A4@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:57:02 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart CC: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, etrigan@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. References: <20001206124058.29426.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How to confuse the law:: For a few years the front of my semi-hotrod sported a Hickory NC non-license plate topped with that skinny Fairfax Co tax tag (before stickers), a VA inspection sticker on the windshield, and a North Carolina tag on the rear end. The one cop who pulled me over asked "Can you explain what's going on here in 25 words or less?" Sez me, I'm a multi-state resident just trying to adhere to the laws of both localities - add big smile. He trudged back to his cruiser shaking his head. Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > The good news about the tax sticker is its only > enforced in the county where you happen to live. In > other words if you don't have a Fairfax sticker and > get pulled over in Fauquier county, the Fauquier > county cop can not give you a ticket for no Fairfax > sticker... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 08:10:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6DAvh22783 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB6DApI1838903 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A2E3AD5.9E00C2E@radix.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:10:45 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. References: <20001206124058.29426.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > The good news about the tax sticker is its only > enforced in the county where you happen to live. But - in md, if they notice either no sticker or expired sticker from Va., it's a primary enforcement qualifier - some legal mumbo jumbo similar that says Md cops can stop you for it even if you have committed no other offense. Thing is, there isn't an infraction I'm aware of in Md for the offense... > In > other words if you don't have a Fairfax sticker and > get pulled over in Fauquier county, the Fauquier > county cop can not give you a ticket for no Fairfax > sticker... I have a friend that was a Loudon deputy. what he used to do if he stopped someone in that scenario was just say to them 'your sticker expired, so get it taken care of...' He only preferred to write warnings for traffic BS, but, if they were drunk, high, belligerent or all of the above, he'd radio a county cop from the owner's address & let them know they were operating a vehicle that had an expired tax sticker. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 08:26:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB6DQEh22981 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:26:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001206132600.22284.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 05:26:00 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:26:00 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. To: Dave Yates Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > But - in md, if they notice either no sticker or > expired sticker from > Va., it's a primary enforcement qualifier - some > legal mumbo jumbo > similar that says Md cops can stop you for it even > if you have committed > no other offense. Thing is, there isn't an > infraction I'm aware of in > Md for the offense... Doesn't surprise me with MD. I'm actually surprised MD is so lenient about speeding as they are. > > I have a friend that was a Loudon deputy. what he > used to do if he > stopped someone in that scenario was just say to > them 'your sticker > expired, so get it taken care of...' He only > preferred to write > warnings for traffic BS, but, if they were drunk, > high, belligerent or > all of the above, he'd radio a county cop from the > owner's address & let > them know they were operating a vehicle that had an > expired tax > sticker. > Nice... Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 08:52:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6Dqlh23381 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from RichardSperry ([24.23.45.126]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001206135243.QEMU10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@RichardSperry>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:52:43 -0800 Message-ID: <003d01c05f8c$57732d00$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> From: "Richard Sperry" To: Cc: "DC Cycle list" Subject: Reduce the pollution on the list ( please) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:56:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In the interest of helping me keep my sanity, what little there is, and also keep me from unsubscribing to the list. Could all you people that always post a lot, you know who you are. PLEASE clip / delete / edit / snip/ all but the relevant parts of the post you are responding to. I'm getting lost trying to wade through an 80K digest that has maybe 30K of new information. thanks Rich 96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 09:18:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB6EHxh24035 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23175 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2000 14:17:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20001206141754.23174.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 06:17:54 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 06:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: ABATE of Maryland Response of Delegate Cryor To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill, Is Delegate Cryor aware of the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation and the Ride for Kids program? I'm quite sure I remember a couple of the Rides for Kids where the kids were taken on short motorcycle rides. The Ride for Kids homepage (http://www.ride4kids.org/) shows a child wearing a big smile and a motorcycle helmet. Is this what she wishes to make illegal? Leon Begeman --- Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > please take the time > to send a letter to Delegate Cryor. If you live in > Virginia, and Cryor is > successful, your next. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 09:21:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB6ELoh24255 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 27807 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 06:21:39 -0800 Date: 6 Dec 2000 06:21:39 -0800 Message-ID: <20001206142139.27806.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Dec 2000 14:21:39 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Dec 2000 06:21:39 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: Re: School days ... school days ... Tue, 05 December 2000, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Do they get to keep taking pictures of your bruised parts after you > take the leathers off? Of course, you can't take pictures of bumps and bruises through the leathers...I want proof of my battle wounds. ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 10:11:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6FBuh24970 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:11:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cold Ride In Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:11:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As I was sitting in my cage on the 14th St. bridge this morning (I don't ride in sub-freezing temps), I was surprised to see a Harley pull up in the lane next to me. The guy was wearing cowboy boots, jeans, and a leather jacket. I couldn't help but wonder what was keeping him warm enough to stay up-right -- when I left the house this morning it was 24 degrees. Then I noticed the tell-tale wire running to the battery: aha, an electric vest. Also, gauntlet winter gloves. But here's the kicker: a 3/4 shell helmet with and oversized visor. Maybe I'm getting soft, but there's no way in hell I'd be out there without a full-face on! Bests, Erik klr650 a15 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 11:36:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from iserv.intelsat.int (iserv.intelsat.int [164.86.102.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6Gabh26149 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pc2.adm.intelsat.int ([164.86.36.13]) by iserv.intelsat.int (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-49113U1000L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA12840 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:36:10 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by pc2.adm.intelsat.int (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.6.10) id LAA12623 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from admexc1a.adm.intelsat.int(164.86.33.17) by pc2 via smap (V2.1) id xma012530; Wed, 6 Dec 00 16:35:37 GMT Received: by admex1.adm.intelsat.int with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <490B4C213EC8D211851F00105A29CA5A0BC55258@admex1.adm.intelsat.int> From: Jonathan.Kalmes@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VIR vs Pocono Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:35:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > >Anyway... Laura and I will be going to the Poccono one (hopefully, I'm going >to call them today - the classes fill up *quick*), both days. This means I'll >have two more spots available in my trailer to haul bikes... first come first >serve to DC-Cycles listers who are going to take the class. > >- Roach I may take you up on that offer. I need to check my calendar and funds (since I'll need to buy leathers and I know the wife won't like it). :) If I do go and someone else takes your trailer spot, I'll have two spots open on my truck and trailer. --smthng '95 Yamaha YZF 600 - "Funbike" '96 Honda Shadow ACE 1100 - "Comfy slug" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 12:11:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11004.mail.yahoo.com (web11004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB6HBdh26690 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:11:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001206170932.86439.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11004.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:09:32 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Reduce the pollution on the list ( please) To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No I will not. I think the whole history of a thread should be kept for the record. As for those who get the digest version (don't). This list is much more fun if you watch it live and participate. I will not change my style or manner to appease a couple lurkers (you know who you are). Sometimes I just need to find a place to get surly (or flamey). Peace, Trey --- Richard Sperry wrote: > In the interest of helping me keep my sanity, what > little there is, and also > keep me from unsubscribing to the list. Could all > you people that always > post a lot, you know who you are. > > PLEASE clip / delete / edit / snip/ all but the > relevant parts of the post > you are responding to. I'm getting lost trying to > wade through an 80K > digest that has maybe 30K of new information. > > thanks > Rich 96 VFR > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 12:31:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6HVoh27054 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-217-200.s200.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.200] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 143iPw-0000Km-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:31:44 -0500 Message-ID: <015d01c05fa9$a5908ec0$f5d73ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001206170932.86439.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Reduce the pollution on the list ( please) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:25:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'll have to side with the "digest lurkers" on this one. Many times we have serious thread creep and lots of times "me too" and "me three" posts with lines and lines of "replied to" text. Surgical snippage is that preserves the gist of the conversation is always appreciated, as shown below. Remember this old saw: "I didn't have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one instead." Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Trey Herb > No I will not. I think the whole history of a thread > should be kept for the record. > > --- Richard Sperry wrote: > > > > PLEASE clip / delete / edit / snip/ all but the > > relevant parts of the post > > you are responding to From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 13:23:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from spaw1.hq.af.mil (spaw1.hq.af.mil [134.205.190.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6IN7h27730 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cais.com (uj463c.comm.hq.af.mil [134.205.83.75]) by spaw1.hq.af.mil (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA80150 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:22:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3A2E841E.DF3B0508@cais.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:23:26 -0500 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ISO Sean Jordan References: <20001205205458.46897.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please contact me off list if you still have a set of leathers for sale. Thanks, --Jim From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 14:30:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from iserv.intelsat.int (iserv.intelsat.int [164.86.102.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6JTuh28655 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pc2.adm.intelsat.int ([164.86.36.13]) by iserv.intelsat.int (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-49113U1000L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA25893 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:28:48 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by pc2.adm.intelsat.int (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.6.10) id OAA10149 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from admexc1a.adm.intelsat.int(164.86.33.17) by pc2 via smap (V2.1) id xma009907; Wed, 6 Dec 00 19:27:53 GMT Received: by admex1.adm.intelsat.int with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:27:53 -0500 Message-ID: <490B4C213EC8D211851F00105A29CA5A0BC5525B@admex1.adm.intelsat.int> From: Jonathan.Kalmes@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: School days ... school days ... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:27:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 3:29 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; roach@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: School days ... school days ... > > > I am however, looking for a used 600 for around 3K for a > trackday and back road scratcher. I have seen a few FZR's in > the paper lately and may go look at them. If anyone knows of > a bike that has low mileage, garage kept, good maintenance > etc, and the owner needs cash desperately, let me know. > > All of the FZR 400's I have seen have been raced to death. > > George I currently have a 95 YZF 600 that's kinda for sale. Looking for $3500. It's got the odd purple paint scheme on it and is bone stock except for the tires (BattleAx and Sportmax I believe). 16000 miles, in really good shape. Only one scratch on the frame from the previous owner having a metal buckle on his boot. It's had all it's regular oil changes and services and runs great. Been garaged as long as I've owned it and it's never been down. If you're interested, pics are at http://smthng.teamreaction.com/yzf.htm (includes the rear seat shell, even though it's not on the pictures. I'll toss in the Evolution III cover for it. --smthng '95 Yamaha YZF 600 - "Funbike" '96 Honda Shadow ACE 1100 - "Comfy slug" Pics at http://smthng.teamreaction.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 14:21:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB6JKvh28539 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:21:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001206191950.202.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.74.100] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:19:50 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:19:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Reduce the pollution on the list ( please) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Richard Sperry wrote: > In the interest of helping me keep my sanity, what > little there is, and also > keep me from unsubscribing to the list. Could all > you people that always > post a lot, you know who you are. > Sorry i have no interest in helping you keep sanity. It's your battle to overcome - though it might be a losing one. I feel that threatening to unsubcribe if people don't conform to your ideals - is silly. Seems to happen allot on this motorcycle list. Subscribe,Unsubscribe - make a choice! Don't depend on others to make such a decision. matt Web Developer/flight instructor http://www.erols.com/matt-ehlert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 14:24:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6JNvh28565 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:20:07 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: SPAM:More Leathers for Sale Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c05fb9$a484f7e0$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 I have a set of AGV Rage leathers size 58??don't remember?? (near US48) for sale. They are white/red/black. I'm 6'3 195lbs and they are a little too small from shoulder to crotch (make me speak a little higher pitch) and crotch to knee. I'd say 6' would be about right. I bought them barely used from MLE and have worn them twice. They look like new except for a few homemade scuffs in the knee pucks (by the previous owner, definitely manufactured). I paid $400 and am asking $375. These things look brand new, I think I even have the original tags from the zipper. I wore them on one 3 hr. ride and realized that they were too small to be useful to me. Great christmas present to yourself :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 14:56:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB6JuBh29050 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB6KtoQ32480 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:55:50 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: cell phone use cited in fatal accident Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c05fbe$6e434060$5c0810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal If you didn't catch it in today's Washington Post, there is an article on the trial of the gentleman who rammed a car parked along the side of the beltway, killing two of the occupants. The prosecutor is making the defendant's cell phone use a focus of the trial. This was a heartbreaking accident that shattered an entire family; if it is possible to take one positive thing out of this incident, it would be heightened awareness of the implications of cell phone use while driving. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29414-2000Dec5.html Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 19:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB70jsh03177 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id r.90.d16e1a8 (602); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:44:14 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <90.d16e1a8.2760375e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:44:14 EST Subject: Delegate Cryor's Parental Criminalization Act To: mriderleon@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc cycles), HeremailaddressisJean_Cryor@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_90.d16e1a8.2760375e_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 326 --part1_90.d16e1a8.2760375e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/00 9:18:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: > Bill, > > Is Delegate Cryor aware of the Pediatric Brain Tumor > Foundation and the Ride for Kids program? I'm quite > sure I remember a couple of the Rides for Kids where > the kids were taken on short motorcycle rides. The > Ride for Kids homepage (http://www.ride4kids.org/) > shows a child wearing a big smile and a motorcycle > helmet. I do not know if she is aware of that charitable event. Yes, she wishes to make such things illegal. Her email address is Jean_Cryor@XXXXXX. It is important that you hear it from her your self. Send her an email, explain the event and then ask her. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_90.d16e1a8.2760375e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/00 9:18:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mriderleon@XXXXXX writes:
Bill,

Is Delegate Cryor aware of the Pediatric Brain Tumor
Foundation and the Ride for Kids program?  I'm quite
sure I remember a couple of the Rides for Kids where
the kids were taken on short motorcycle rides.  The
Ride for Kids homepage (http://www.ride4kids.org/)
shows a child wearing a big smile and a motorcycle
helmet.  Is this what she wishes to make illegal?


I do not know if she is aware of that charitable event.
Yes, she wishes to make such things illegal.
Her email address is Jean_Cryor@XXXXXX.  
It is important that you hear it from her your self.
Send her an email, explain the event and then ask her.


Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_90.d16e1a8.2760375e_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 20:06:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB716Jh03452 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001207010613.LBXI10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:06:13 -0800 Message-ID: <003701c05fe9$75dcd7c0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <20001206142139.27806.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: School days ... school days ... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:03:07 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > Do they get to keep taking pictures of your bruised parts after you > > take the leathers off? > > Of course, you can't take pictures of bumps and bruises through the leathers...I want proof of my battle wounds. ;-) > > LAG So... if the pics end up on the DCCycles web site we may end up getting an "R" rating. But seriously, how much do you guys know about Super Camp? Has any one been in the past? I'm seriously considering it but I'd like to know what I can expect for my hard earned cash before committing. -James From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 21:40:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB72eIh04766 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.122] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A831B3014E; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:38:41 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Need winter gear for GF Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:36:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c0600f$b704e0a0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm planning a trip down to Florida in the 1st half of January. Meaning that the 1st and last days will be very cold. Anyone have a winter gear to lend me for her ? She's about 5-7 medium ass. BUILD, I meant build... Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 22:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fastandwily.com ([4.21.66.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB73Y5h05473 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:34:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:32:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200012062232.AA16449724@fastandwily.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Scott Luttrell" Reply-To: To: Subject: Hawk GT superbike & YSR for sale X-Mailer: I have an 89 Hawk GT racebike modified for superbike racing for sale at $4000 details are posted at fastandwily.com. I also have an 89 YSR50 with 375 miles going on ebay auction #520030250 bike located in Northern Va. Email ?'s to scott@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 06:16:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7BGJh12552 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB7BGCI2113831 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:16:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A2F7173.40326764@radix.net> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 06:16:03 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Re: cell phone use cited in fatal accident References: <001e01c05fbe$6e434060$5c0810ac@cedric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He was acquitted of manslaughter BTW... Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > If you didn't catch it in today's Washington Post, there is an article on > the trial of the gentleman who rammed a car parked along the side of the > beltway, killing two of the occupants. The prosecutor is making the > defendant's cell phone use a focus of the trial. This was a heartbreaking > accident that shattered an entire family; if it is possible to take one > positive thing out of this incident, it would be heightened awareness of the > implications of cell phone use while driving. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29414-2000Dec5.html > > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > Annandale, VA -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 07:27:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB7CRbh13410 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:27:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001207122727.25603.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 04:27:27 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Update - Toy Run To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was at Cycle Sports in Springfield yesterday, and while there, checked on the latest with the Toy Run that will be held this Saturday. The Springfield store is all set, however when they contacted the Herndon store, the folks there weren't sure of how they were going to be doing things yet. So if you were planning on going to the Herndon store, you might want to call them to double check on the plans. The other thing the folks at Springfield told me was that this year the location is further north than it has been in the previous years (Tenlytown?) so they are trying to see if they can get an escort. Now I just have to go buy some toys! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 07:47:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f43.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7ClIh13681 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:47:10 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:47:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cell phone use cited in fatal accident Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:47:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2000 12:47:10.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[D05CA4C0:01C0604B] Yep. Just 4 points and a $500 fine. >From: Dave Yates >CC: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" >Subject: Re: cell phone use cited in fatal accident >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 06:16:03 -0500 > >He was acquitted of manslaughter BTW... > > >Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > > > If you didn't catch it in today's Washington Post, there is an article >on > > the trial of the gentleman who rammed a car parked along the side of the > > beltway, killing two of the occupants. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 07:47:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7Clgh13692 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id HAA31624 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:47:38 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:48:44 -0500 Message-ID: <01C06022.1FB11F30.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Update - Toy Run Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:48:43 -0500 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 38 TEXT If anyone hears about the deal with the Herndon store please let the list know. I was planning on leaving from there and am not real sure where the Springfield store is or how to get there. Thanks, Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:27 AM, Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] wrote: > I was at Cycle Sports in Springfield yesterday, and while there, checked on > the > latest with the Toy Run that will be held this Saturday. > > The Springfield store is all set, however when they contacted the Herndon > store, the folks there weren't sure of how they were going to be doing things > yet. So if you were planning on going to the Herndon store, you might want > to > call them to double check on the plans. > > The other thing the folks at Springfield told me was that this year the > location is further north than it has been in the previous years (Tenlytown?) > so they are trying to see if they can get an escort. > > Now I just have to go buy some toys! > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 08:48:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7Dmlh14489 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB7CvUI2121363 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:57:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A2F8930.E63CE2D2@radix.net> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:57:20 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cell phone use cited in fatal accident References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Keiser wrote: > > Yep. Just 4 points and a $500 fine. You know, as I've said before, it's ridiculous that homocide by vehicle is somehow 'less serious' than homicide by weapon. This guy was clearly negligent, & killed 2 people. If he'd pointed a gun at them, thinking it unloaded & shot them... OTOH, I can understand that since there is no LAW saying that cell phones are prohibited while driving so as to tie the negligence to the deaths, why there was no conviction. In actuality, I think it may have been on the borderline of misconduct for attempting to prosecute for 'perceived violation' on the part of the state. Just the other day, some bonehead, that just happened to be a woman, in a sub compact, jumped across 2 lanes to cut in front of me so that she could do 5 mph less than me. And, OF COURSE, yakking on a phone... I got next to her & laid on the Exploder's horn - it actually worked, after about 5 seconds, a stare... a few seconds later, she put the phone down... and we both went on our merry ways. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 09:01:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7E1Dh14693 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:01:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:01:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200012070901.AA1901020@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Cellphone user guilty of negligent driving X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB7E1Jh14694 Cellphone user guilty of negligent driving, but not manslaughter ... State Fails to Make Cellphone Case M-^U Phone Use Faulted in Collision (The Washington Post, Dec. 6, 2000) By Jamie Stockwell Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, December 7, 2000; Page B01 A Naval Academy midshipman whose attention was diverted when he began dialing his cellular telephone while traveling on the Capital Beltway was found guilty last night of negligent driving but not responsible for the deaths of a Long Island couple. Prince George's Circuit Court Judge Ronald D. Schiff, who presided over the nonjury trial, said that, despite the state's compelling arguments, under current law and with the evidence presented he could not find Jason Jones, 20, guilty of the two vehicular manslaughter charges he faced. Schiff said that he hopes legislators will change the law and that the case will alarm motorists who use cellphones with an indifferent and careless attitude. "Anyone who has used a cellphone while driving, unfortunately myself included, should be able to note the distractions that it causes," said Schiff. "I hope that the legislature will bring this issue to light and do something." Jones also was found not guilty of failing to reduce his speed and driving with a suspended license. He was convicted of negligent driving and fined $500, the maximum penalty allowed. Family members of John and Carole Hall, the Suffolk, N.Y., couple killed in the crash, declined to comment on the verdict, saying it was too emotional. Jones, of Fort Washington, and members of his family also declined to comment. Before the verdict, Brian Hall, brother of John Hall, said his family wants only to spread awareness of the dangers of driving while talking on a cellphone. Jones's trial was the first in the country involving vehicular homicide charges arising from a driver being distracted by cellphone use. The Halls, both 47, were killed Thanksgiving weekend last year when Jones's Pontiac veered off the Capital Beltway near Oxon Hill and struck the family's Mazda sedan, which was parked on the shoulder. Returning to Long Island from Richmond, John Hall had pulled to the side of the Beltway on the morning of Nov. 28, 1999, so that the couple's son Michael, then 10, could relieve himself in the nearby woods. Their daughter, Sarah, now 17, was in the front passenger seat and suffered serious back injuries. In issuing his verdicts, Schiff said that despite Assistant State's Attorney Michael D. Herman's powerful arguments, "driving while under the influence of a cellphone is not a crime and the court cannot make it a crime," despite the analogy that it is akin to driving while intoxicated. "This was a terribly tragic accident and my heart goes out to Sarah and Michael Hall, who were orphaned," Schiff said. "My heart also goes out to the defendant and his family because they are also victims. There is nothing this boy can do to make up for the loss but it is my duty to be unemotional, detached and objective." Much of the case hinged on whether Jones was guilty of excessive speeding. Testimony from state witnesses contradicted testimony from defense witnesses. Tania Tunstall, who was traveling on the Beltway at the time of the accident, testified Monday that she watched as Jones's Pontiac Grand Prix went "shooting past" her and swerved through several lanes of traffic. Jones's vehicle crashed into the rear of the Halls' Mazda, crushing the car. There were no signs of skid marks or other indications that he had tried to stop, experts testified. But Schiff was unable to determine whether Jones was traveling less than 60 mph, as Jones himself testified, or between 80 and 105 mph, as the state alleged. In his closing argument, Herman said that Jones "created a speeding bullet. . . . He took two tons of steel, veered to the right and killed two people." Jones's attorney, Stephen Markey, told Schiff: "This is a boy calling his parents to let them know he's on his way home. As unfortunate as it has been, the actions of Mr. Jones on that day did not rise to that level [of gross negligence]." State's Attorney Jack B. Johnson said yesterday evening that the state attempted to show that several factors, including excessive speed and driver distraction caused by the cellphone, led to the fatal collision. "This is an awful area of the law where time and time again there is that failure to meet the standard of recklessness," he said. M-) 2000 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 09:05:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7E5ih14782 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:05:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:05:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200012070905.AA1114616@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB7E5mh14783 Just in case there's any Maryland readers on this list who haven't yet written to Delegate Cryor about her Parent Criminalization Act for Motorcyclists (outlawing children riding on the back of motorcyles, even with legal handholds and footpegs) - just thought you should know that Maryland is still enabling drunk drivers - "revolving door" trials, no mandatory breath test, no guilt can be inferred from refusing a breath test, no driver's license ... and Delegate Cryor thinks it's dangerous for a child to ride on the back of a motorcycle. Chris Norloff http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36371-2000Dec7.html Repeat Drunken Driver Held Again By Katherine Shaver and David S. Fallis Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, December 7, 2000; Page B04 Michael Coleman Dowdy Sr., who was highlighted in a September Washington Post series about repeat drunken drivers in Montgomery County, was arrested last month on at least his 16th drunk driving charge after an officer said he was speeding and weaving on a highway outside Frederick. Frederick County Sheriff's Deputy David DeWees said he saw Dowdy driving 70 mph in a 55-mph zone on eastbound Interstate 70 about 11 p.m. Nov. 8. The officer said Dowdy had a "strong odor" of alcohol and half-empty beer bottles in his Chevrolet Camaro and refused to take a breath test. The deputy said he stopped roadside coordination tests because he was afraid that Dowdy, who was stumbling, would hurt himself. Dowdy, 38, of Ashton, was jailed on charges of driving drunk, driving on a suspended license and other traffic charges. "He was rather cavalier about the whole thing," DeWees said Tuesday. Dowdy's bond, which had been set at $120,000, was denied by a judge after prosecutors argued he was a risk to public safety, said Mary Drawbaugh, Frederick County's chief prosecutor for District Court. "His record was atrocious," Drawbaugh said this week. Frederick jail officials gave Dowdy a written interview request from The Post on Tuesday afternoon, Frederick Corrections Capt. William DeLauter said yesterday, but Dowdy told officials he did not want to talk to Post reporters. Dowdy does not have an attorney in this case, according to court records and a woman who answered the phone at his home. Dowdy was featured in a Sept. 25 Post article that described how repeat drunken drivers use legal loopholes and maneuvers, such as refusing to take breath tests, to lessen their chances of conviction and lighten their sentences. Dowdy also refused a breath test during his 15th drunk driving arrest in March, when a Montgomery County police officer said she saw him swerve across the center line and into oncoming traffic on New Hampshire Avenue. Dowdy was to have had a hearing last Friday on that charge, but he did not appear and the judge issued a warrant for his arrest. In previous cases, Dowdy has told judges that he is an alcoholic, often convincing them he should be sentenced to treatment rather than jail. In an interview in May, he told The Post that he considers himself a social drinker who drinks beer "occasionally." He said police target him and that he doesn't consider himself dangerous because he has never hit anyone. Ten of Dowdy's arrests have resulted in convictions. Though he has faced more than three years in prison, his longest jail sentence was 10 months, according to court records. On his two most recent drunk driving convictions in 1997--his ninth and 10th--he was sentenced to 12 weekends in jail, 18 months of home monitoring and alcohol counseling. DeWees, the Frederick deputy, gave the following account of Dowdy's Nov. 8 arrest, according to charging documents: After "pacing" Dowdy's Camaro for about a quarter-mile, the deputy determined that the car was traveling 65 to 70 mph and was weaving. Several times, the Camaro crossed the solid white line and traveled onto the left shoulder. Several other cars were close by, and a tractor-trailer moved toward the right shoulder when the Camaro weaved to the right. After pulling Dowdy over, the deputy saw several empty beer bottles in the car and a case of Corona beer with bottles missing. Dowdy had a "strong odor" of alcohol and glassy and bloodshot eyes and his speech was slurred. He initially said he had had nothing to drink but then said he had had a beer. Dowdy told DeWees he didn't have his driver's license with him. He told The Post he hasn't had a valid driver's license since 1987. In one sobriety test, the deputy wrote, Dowdy could not walk heel-to-toe in a straight line without "swaying," stepping off the line several times and raising his arms to the side "as if he were surfing." On a balance test, Dowdy could not lift one leg off the ground without losing his balance and "almost falling." The deputy wrote that he stopped the coordination test because he "felt Mr. Dowdy would injure himself attempting to complete the test." Dowdy is scheduled for trial Jan. 10 in Frederick. Staff writer David Snyder contributed to this report. M-) 2000 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 09:07:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from xng-smtpca.intra.cbrichardellis.com (smtp4.cbrichardellis.com [205.254.2.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB7E7Bh14792 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by xng-smtpca.intra.cbrichardellis.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 07 Dec 2000 06:01:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by XNG-SMTPCA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:01:39 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Fennell, Bill @ Washington DC" To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:16:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C06056.37472770" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06056.37472770 Content-Type: text/plain I'm not a cop, but I *think* the local VA police can give you ticket for operating a vehicle that doesn't have a tax sticker, even if it's not the county/town where it's registered. My assumption is because it's a state law to be registered somewhere as long as you have VA plates. I've also noticed quite a similarity between the color schemes of Arlington and Fairfax counties (maybe they have an agreement of reciprocity). Quite often around this time there are cops standing on the interchange between Rt. 50 East and the Roosevelt Memorial bridge pulling people over without or expired county stickers. I also believe they are Arlington County police and not state troopers. Just my two cents... -bill > >The good news about the tax sticker is its only >enforced in the county where you happen to live. In >other words if you don't have a Fairfax sticker and >get pulled over in Fauquier county, the Fauquier >county cop can not give you a ticket for no Fairfax >sticker... > >Glenn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06056.37472770 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Insurance and VA reg.

I'm not a cop, but = I *think* the local VA police can give you ticket for operating a = vehicle that doesn't have a tax sticker, even if it's not the = county/town where it's registered.  My assumption is because it's = a state law to be registered somewhere as long as you have VA = plates.  I've also noticed quite a similarity between the color = schemes of Arlington and Fairfax counties (maybe they have an agreement = of reciprocity).

Quite often around = this time there are cops standing on the interchange between Rt. 50 = East and the Roosevelt Memorial bridge pulling people over without or = expired county stickers.  I also believe they are Arlington County = police and not state troopers.  Just my  two = cents...

-bill

    >
    >The good news about the tax = sticker is its only
    >enforced in the county where you = happen to live.  In
    >other words if you don't have a = Fairfax sticker and
    >get pulled over in Fauquier = county, the Fauquier
    >county cop can not give you a = ticket for no Fairfax
    >sticker...
    >
    >Glenn


------_=_NextPart_001_01C06056.37472770-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 09:24:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7ENuh14988 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB7ENBI2003069 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:23:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A2F9D45.236E7D55@radix.net> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:23:01 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver References: <200012070905.AA1114616@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Just in case there's any Maryland readers on this list who haven't yet written to Delegate Cryor about her Parent Criminalization Act for Motorcyclists (outlawing children riding on the back of motorcyles, even with legal handholds and footpegs) - > > just thought you should know that Maryland is still enabling drunk drivers - "revolving door" trials, no mandatory breath test, no guilt can be inferred from refusing a breath test, no driver's license ... I detest drunk drivers. Under no circumstances will I drive if I've even had a single drink within the last 6 hours (usually 8 - 12 hours). It's quite unfortunate that judges give lenient sentences to drunk driving offenders. But compelling a breathalyzer test from someone at a traffic stop seems just a tad unconstitutional to me, on 4th & 5th amendment grounds. Think of it this way - DUI roadblocks are legal as the Supreme Court has ruled. What if roadside breathalyzer tests were also permitted and if you refused you could go to jail... every traffic stop could result in mandatory breathalyzer tests. Then what ? Traffic law is taken far to lightly by the legilatures, courts & public - No jury trial in MD, if the judge thinks your guilty, you're guilty. And, FWIW, if you refuse a breathalyzer in MD, they administratively suspend your license for 30, 60 or 90 days ... If the states were really serious about curbing drinking & driving, there'd be cops waiting outside every bar... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 09:30:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7EToh15095 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28678 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:29:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904526ECB@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Cold Ride In Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:29:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been riding in everyday I don't have a Dr. appointment (that's 4 outta 5 days). The Gerbing jacket/pants combo make it very easy. I laugh at 30 degrees. I sneer at 20 degrees. Hahahahahahahahahahahahah LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Erik said: As I was sitting in my cage on the 14th St. bridge this morning (I don't ride in sub-freezing temps), I was surprised to see a Harley pull up in the lane next to me. The guy was wearing cowboy boots, jeans, and a leather jacket. I couldn't help but wonder what was keeping him warm enough to stay up-right -- when I left the house this morning it was 24 degrees. Then I noticed the tell-tale wire running to the battery: aha, an electric vest. Also, gauntlet winter gloves. But here's the kicker: a 3/4 shell helmet with and oversized visor. Maybe I'm getting soft, but there's no way in hell I'd be out there without a full-face on! Bests, Erik klr650 a15 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 09:52:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7EqIh15428 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09804; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:45:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Rob Keiser" , Cc: Subject: RE: cell phone use cited in fatal accident Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:52:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal WHAT!!?? That's about what I got for my "reckless" driving charge earlier this year! This country is really going down the toilet... Chris Weaver www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:47 AM To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cell phone use cited in fatal accident Yep. Just 4 points and a $500 fine. >From: Dave Yates >CC: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" >Subject: Re: cell phone use cited in fatal accident >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 06:16:03 -0500 > >He was acquitted of manslaughter BTW... > > >Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > > > If you didn't catch it in today's Washington Post, there is an article >on > > the trial of the gentleman who rammed a car parked along the side of the > > beltway, killing two of the occupants. ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 10:11:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7FB6h15647 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001207151042.DAPB20231.fortune.excite.com@prickles>; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:10:42 -0800 Message-ID: <32040911.976201842978.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: James Hoofnagle To: bernescut@XXXXXX Subject: fatal accident (almost non-moto) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 >"prosecutors allege that Jones was traveling between 80 and 105 mph, recklessly crossed several lanes and showed "gross negligence" when he crashed into the Halls' 1995 Mazda Protege. After the accident, Jones's speedometer was stuck at 95 mph, Herman said." I think that maybe a 19 yr. old driver, travelling in excess of 90 mph, and swerving in and out of traffic might have also had something to do with the collision. Yes, cell phone use is an issue on today's highways, but let's look at the bigger picture here. As a nation, our driving skills *suck*. Rather than legislate the symtom (sp), let's enforce driving courtesy laws (passing on the left, etc.), and stop rubber-stamping driver's tests and renewals. It's ok to fail someone, it's a part of the learning process. In the long run it will make all the difference. And motorcycling safer. (<- moto related content). _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 10:16:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7FGNh15772 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id y.2d.4949daf (15877); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:14:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:14:37 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cell phone use cited in fatal accident To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <2d.4949daf.2761035e@aol.com> Yep. They were talking about it on yesterday's morning news also. I like how he said he was only doing about 55. Give me a break. 55mph on 495!! I don't remember the article saying that it was during rush-hour. That might be the only time people drive that slow on the beltway. I think in the four years I've owned a cellphone, I've only used it about 5 times while driving to let people know that I was on my way and would be late. Not for long conversations. Hell, I've only put a total of 600 minutes on it since I got it. I'm all for banning there use while driving. Especially after almost being hit by cagers who were on them at the time. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 6 Dec 2000 2:57:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Cedric Bernescut" writes: << If you didn't catch it in today's Washington Post, there is an article on the trial of the gentleman who rammed a car parked along the side of the beltway, killing two of the occupants. The prosecutor is making the defendant's cell phone use a focus of the trial. This was a heartbreaking accident that shattered an entire family; if it is possible to take one positive thing out of this incident, it would be heightened awareness of the implications of cell phone use while driving. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29414-2000Dec5.html Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 10:28:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7FSsh15917 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eB7FSgf20281; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:28:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200012071528.eB7FSgf20281@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dave Yates cc: List-dc cycles From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:23:01 EST." <3A2F9D45.236E7D55@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:28:42 -0500 In your message dated: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:23:01 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => Chris Norloff wrote: => > => > Just in case there's any Maryland readers on this list who haven't yet written to Delegate Cry => or about her Parent Criminalization Act for Motorcyclists (outlawing children riding on the back => of motorcyles, even with legal handholds and footpegs) - => > => > just thought you should know that Maryland is still enabling drunk drivers - "revolving door" => trials, no mandatory breath test, no guilt can be inferred from refusing a breath test, no drive => r's license ... => => I detest drunk drivers. Under no circumstances will I drive if I've => even had a single drink within the last 6 hours (usually 8 - 12 hours). Yep. Basically the same game plan for me. => It's quite unfortunate that judges give lenient sentences to drunk => driving offenders. But compelling a breathalyzer test from someone at a => traffic stop seems just a tad unconstitutional to me, on 4th & 5th => amendment grounds. Think of it this way - DUI roadblocks are legal as In NJ, back when I got my license (~18 years ago), it was heavily stressed that driving was a privilege, not a right. Refusing to take a breath test was, as I remember, grounds for _immediate_ suspension of one's license. The was no criminal penalty attached for refusing to blow the balloon, so that solved any constitutional issues. => the Supreme Court has ruled. What if roadside breathalyzer tests were => also permitted and if you refused you could go to jail... every traffic => stop could result in mandatory breathalyzer tests. Then what ? Traffic => law is taken far to lightly by the legilatures, courts & public - No => jury trial in MD, if the judge thinks your guilty, you're guilty. And, => FWIW, if you refuse a breathalyzer in MD, they administratively suspend => your license for 30, 60 or 90 days ... Sounds fine to me. => => If the states were really serious about curbing drinking & driving, => there'd be cops waiting outside every bar... => => => -- => 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' => Dave Yates => '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' => SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA => http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ => Systems Programmer => (301) 496-3760 => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 10:46:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7Fkdh16138 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001207154626.DIDG20231.fortune.excite.com@prickles> for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:46:26 -0800 Message-ID: <19377734.976203986287.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:46:26 -0800 (PST) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reduce the pollution on the list ( please) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Trey, Matt, & Listers > No I will not. I think the whole history of a thread >should be kept for the record. As for those who get >the digest version (don't). This list is much more fun >if you watch it live and participate. I will not >change my style or manner to appease a couple lurkers >(you know who you are). Some of us don't have the time or circumstance to be able to follow the list on a minute by minute basis. We have jobs that for what ever reason don't allow us to drop what we are doing to respond to all the petty little tiraids like mine. Rich's request was a simple one and not unreasonable. And I don't think that he's asking you to snip every reply, just the one's that have become outdated or moot in the evolution of the thread. Just a little common courtesy would be nice. Thanks. Oh yes, I consider myself a "lurker". The reason for this is that I don't have something worth hearing all the time, so I don't inflict myself upon others for the mere sake of using bandwidth. _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 11:12:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB7GCXh16526 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:12:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001207161220.2021.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:12:20 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:12:20 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. To: "Fennell, Bill @ Washington DC" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well they obviously don't. I know many people that have been pulled over in other jurisdictions from state boys and local cops without one ticket. Its a state law to have a *county* tax sticker? What's the code? I would think it would be a county law. If it a state law someone please pass the code so I can read it. Glenn --- "Fennell, Bill @ Washington DC" wrote: > I'm not a cop, but I *think* the local VA police can > give you ticket for > operating a vehicle that doesn't have a tax sticker, > even if it's not the > county/town where it's registered. My assumption is > because it's a state > law to be registered somewhere as long as you have > VA plates. I've also > noticed quite a similarity between the color schemes > of Arlington and > Fairfax counties (maybe they have an agreement of > reciprocity). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 11:16:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7GGTh16575 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24269 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:16:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904526F73@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:16:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The big problem for this particular guy is that not having a license doesn't even slow him down. He needs to spend some quality jail time and maybe get some alcohol counseling while in, but he has to do some time. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 11:25:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f151.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7GPZh16674 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:25:25 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:25:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cheap-o Harbor Freight tire mounter Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:25:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2000 16:25:25.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E005B60:01C0606A] Has anyone received their $19.95 Harbor Freight tire mounter? If so, what's it like? Is it worth it? Does it work? Any feedback? _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 11:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f157.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7GSah16756 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:28:21 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:28:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:28:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2000 16:28:21.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6CF6960:01C0606A] Linda, I think you're right on. Maybe sentencing these people that are driving on suspended or revoked licenses to actual jail time would deter some of them. Otherwise, people will just play the odds and keep on driving. And if they get caught, even if they kill someone, they can probably just pay a fine and keep on driving... Perry >From: "Tanner, Linda" >To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" >Subject: RE: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:16:09 -0500 > >The big problem for this particular guy is that not having a license >doesn't >even slow him down. He needs to spend some quality jail time and maybe get >some alcohol counseling while in, but he has to do some time. > >LindaT. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 11:41:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7Gfoh16964 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB7GfZI2068906 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:41:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A2FBDB4.181A4557@radix.net> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:41:24 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry Coleman wrote: > > Linda, > > I think you're right on. Maybe sentencing these people that are driving on > suspended or revoked licenses to actual jail time would deter some of them. If repeat DWI/DUI convicts are not getting jail time, why aren't the sentencing judges being impeached by the state legislatures ? > Otherwise, people will just play the odds and keep on driving. And if they > get caught, even if they kill someone, they can probably just pay a fine and > keep on driving... I'm certainly don't want to see harsher penalties in traffic court, where you basically need to know someone to get off... But, my mother got rear ended by a 'habitual drunkard' w/ no license. Thank God she was relatively ok. He'd been convicted at least 6 times previously, & the county cops (PG) not only knew him by name, they didn't even need his address (he left the scene). sentence these nit wits to prison time & quit screwing around... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 13:23:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7INMh18315 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjson12551 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:23:19 GMT Received: from usashexims04.corp.us.uu.net by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.84.15]) id QQjson02255 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:22:27 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: YZF600R Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:20:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone out there riding a late model YZF600R? Any observations (good, bad or otherwise) you'd like to share? Sally '98 GS500E From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 14:41:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7Jfbh19234 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:42:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Insurance Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:42:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain My annual premium with Nationwide (formerly Colonial) is about $400. This is full coverage, $100/$250 deductibles, medical, un-/under-insured motorist, the works. My driving record will be somewhat "cleaner" at the next renewal. These rates aren't fabulous but I really like the service I've received. Bikey is in the shop now awaiting cosmetic surgery and I'm sure the claim will have a negative impact. YMMV. Of interest to some may be my auto carrier. I'm insured with Travelers through AAA. I've been trying to find better rates for the last four years and haven't been able to do it. Word to the driving record challenged. Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 14:54:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7Jshh19427 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA30610; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:53:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3A2FEB4D.32C98D62@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:55:57 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" , Balt-Cycles-l Subject: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] [Fwd: Indoor Short Track Racing]] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------648B81E455CD66C718DED19C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------648B81E455CD66C718DED19C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI Y'all Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org --------------648B81E455CD66C718DED19C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from urquhart.worldstreaming.net ([12.28.14.53]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA05657 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:50:13 -0500 Received: from urquhart.worldstreaming.net (IDENT:mailman@XXXXXX [127.0.0.1]) by urquhart.worldstreaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07952; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:50:00 -0600 Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by urquhart.worldstreaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07939 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:49:00 -0600 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G5600J01A8U4B@XXXXXX> for suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:48:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G5600EBAA8T7Y@XXXXXX>; 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boundary="Boundary_(ID_GUefbQn21tPcpbMwJ+KDwA)" Subject: [Suzuki-bikes] [Fwd: Indoor Short Track Racing] Sender: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX Errors-To: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX X-BeenThere: suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Suzuki Brand Motorcycles Mailing List X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_GUefbQn21tPcpbMwJ+KDwA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit DELMARVA folks, take note. -- ********************************************** Eric Hess Colorado Springs, Colorado SOC-USA National Director, ICO/Safety Coord 1979 GS750E 1997 VS1400GLPV 2001 GSF1200S SOC-UK#19744 MIG#821 IBA AMA#580210 http://www.soc-usa.org --Boundary_(ID_GUefbQn21tPcpbMwJ+KDwA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20001206234134.TCOX775@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:41:34 +0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G5600L016WZ4V@XXXXXX> for ehess@XXXXXX; 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Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"jiFZZ73EspNBrn2FXw6h0UhmOC7zBf+4bOqof/5F1WtoUzXqN31jyA=="> Received: (from jcdalmas@XXXXXX) by m7.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FQM4DCWY; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:39:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:37:25 -0500 From: Jean C Dalmas Subject: Indoor Short Track Racing To: marrcmembers@XXXXXX Message-id: <20001206.183729.-176871.5.jcdalmas@juno.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,7-11 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Dear MARRC Members, It's that time of year again, yes, indoor short track racing is back at the Timonium Fairgrounds in Timonium, MD. This Friday, December 8th and Saturday, December 9th. General ticket prices are $9.00 and parking is free. Practice time starts at 4:30, Time trials at 6:30, and Race time at 7:30. For more information regarding this event check out their web site at http://www.bctra.com/timonium.htm. See you there. MARRC Social Secretary, Jeannie Dalmas P.S. I always bring ear plugs and recommend you do too. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --Boundary_(ID_GUefbQn21tPcpbMwJ+KDwA)-- _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes mailing list Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX ** TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE LIST GO TO THE FOLLOWING URL ** http://urquhart.worldstreaming.net/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes --------------648B81E455CD66C718DED19C-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 15:29:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from xng-smtpca.intra.cbrichardellis.com (smtp4.cbrichardellis.com [205.254.2.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB7KSvh19907 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by xng-smtpca.intra.cbrichardellis.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:07:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by XNG-SMTPCA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:07:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Fennell, Bill @ Washington DC" To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance and VA reg. Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:22:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C06089.545F8F10" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06089.545F8F10 Content-Type: text/plain I stand corrected in that is not a state law, therefore a Fairfax cop can NOT write you a ticket if you are registered in Fauquier. But as it turns out Alexandria, Arlington, City of Fairfax, City of Falls Church, City of Vienna, and Fairfax County do have an agreement of reciprocity with each other. (Thus making it worth their effort for putting up roadblocks going into DC.) -bill > -----Original Message----- >From: Glenn Dysart [SMTP:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 11:12 AM >To: Fennell, Bill @ Washington DC >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Insurance and VA reg. > >Well they obviously don't. I know many people that >have been pulled over in other jurisdictions from >state boys and local cops without one ticket. Its a >state law to have a *county* tax sticker? What's the >code? I would think it would be a county law. If it >a state law someone please pass the code so I can read >it. > >Glenn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06089.545F8F10 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Insurance and VA reg.

I stand corrected = in that is not a state law, therefore a Fairfax cop can NOT write you a = ticket if you are registered in Fauquier.  But as it turns out = Alexandria, Arlington, City of Fairfax, City of Falls Church, City of = Vienna, and Fairfax County do have an agreement of reciprocity with = each other.  (Thus making it worth their effort for putting up = roadblocks going into DC.)

-bill

    -----Original Message-----
    >From:  Glenn Dysart [SMTP:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX]
    >Sent:  Thursday, December 07, 2000 11:12 AM
    >To:    Fennell, Bill @ Washington DC
    >Cc:    dc-cycles@XXXXXX
    >Subject:       = Re: Insurance and VA reg.
    >
    >Well they obviously don't.  = I know many people that
    >have been pulled over in other = jurisdictions from
    >state boys and local cops without = one ticket.  Its a
    >state law to have a *county* tax = sticker?  What's the
    >code?  I would think it = would be a county law.  If it
    >a state law someone please pass = the code so I can read
    >it.
    >
    >Glenn



------_=_NextPart_001_01C06089.545F8F10-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 15:36:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB7Ka4h20020 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:36:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001207203556.29285.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:35:56 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Insurance and VA reg. To: "Fennell, Bill @ Washington DC" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually Leon just informed me there is a state code (46.2-755) that allows counties to charge the tax but that code doesn't really go into enforcement except to say that adjoining counties can get together to enforce it. Also, it appears that Loudoun and Prince William are among the group you have listed below. As I said my experience (not directly) is that if you are in another county when stopped you won't have a problem. Glenn --- "Fennell, Bill @ Washington DC" wrote: > I stand corrected in that is not a state law, > therefore a Fairfax cop can > NOT write you a ticket if you are registered in > Fauquier. But as it turns > out Alexandria, Arlington, City of Fairfax, City of > Falls Church, City of > Vienna, and Fairfax County do have an agreement of > reciprocity with each > other. (Thus making it worth their effort for > putting up roadblocks going > into DC.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 16:08:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB7L8Bh20447 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23125 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2000 21:08:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20001207210805.23124.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:08:05 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Who has '95 ZX7 I can look at? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd like to look at a Kawasaki ZX7 to see if the seat from it can be adapted to fit my ZX6. I don't know what other years would also fit, but if the seat is the same, the other years would be find also. Please contact me off list. Leon. '91 ZX6D '89 EX250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 18:55:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5.quixnet.net (psmtp5.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.55] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7Nt2h22512 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer (1Cust125.tnt4.lorton.va.da.uu.net [63.24.102.125]) by smtp5.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22114 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:54:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002701c060a8$fd4b0be0$7d66183f@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: old inspection sticker Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:54:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C0607F.12A09200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C0607F.12A09200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And for all those VA riders out there, any tips for removing the |>registration sticker from the fork? Damn thing must be made out of |>kevlar.... You can heat it with a hair dryer to make it more pliable. Whatever glue = doesn't come off can be removed with acetone(nail polish remover) DO NOT = GET ANY ON THE PAINTED PARTS !!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C0607F.12A09200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And for all those VA riders out there, = any tips for=20 removing the
|>registration sticker from the fork?  Damn = thing must=20 be made out of
|>kevlar....

You can heat it with a hair = dryer to=20 make it more pliable. Whatever glue doesn't come off can be removed with = acetone(nail polish remover) DO NOT GET ANY ON THE PAINTED PARTS=20 !!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C0607F.12A09200-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 23:41:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB84f4h26213 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigbox (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA26349 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:40:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001d01c060d1$61896700$0200a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas Zell" To: Subject: Non-Moto -- Need job... FAST w/in... Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:43:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C060A7.77C0C1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C060A7.77C0C1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks... I'm becoming very disgruntled with my current employers and I'm finding = that it's now time to leave so I'm coming to the list for help... If = anyone here is looking for or knows of anyone looking for a top-notch = Windows NT admin/engineer please by all means send them my way. I can = work with NT, Novell, Exchange, Notes (if I have to), IIS, Proxy Server, = some Solaris, Firewalls (some... mostly with NT but some Solaris based = Axent Raptor), PBX/Voicemail, user support, design, implementation, = disaster recovery, management, etc... if I don't know it I'll learn = it.... FAST!!! I'm on digest mode so please contact me off list via e-mail at = zellto@XXXXXX or by phone at (703) 931-9143. My resume is = available upon request. I'm hoping that I can be into something new by = the beginning of the year or somewhere close to it. If someone here = helps land me a decent position... that person gets drinks on me! = [incentive plan ;-) ] Thanks, Tom Zell '86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C060A7.77C0C1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks...
 
I'm becoming very disgruntled with = my current=20 employers and I'm finding that it's now time to leave so I'm coming = to the=20 list for help... If anyone here is looking for or knows of anyone = looking for a=20 top-notch Windows NT admin/engineer please by all means send them my = way. =20 I can work with NT, Novell, Exchange, Notes (if I have to), IIS,=20 Proxy Server, some Solaris, Firewalls (some... mostly with NT but = some=20 Solaris based Axent Raptor), PBX/Voicemail, user support,=20 design, implementation, disaster recovery, management, etc... if I = don't=20 know it I'll learn it.... FAST!!!
 
I'm on digest mode so please contact me = off=20 list via e-mail at zellto@XXXXXX = or by=20 phone at (703) 931-9143. My resume is available upon = request. =20 I'm hoping that I can be into something new by the beginning of the year = or=20 somewhere close to it.  If someone here helps land me a decent = position...=20 that person gets drinks on me! [incentive = plan ;-) ]
 
Thanks,
Tom Zell
'86 VFR750
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C060A7.77C0C1A0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 07:28:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8CSXh03149 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA02731 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23791 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB8CSTI2401927 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:28:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A30D3E1.8093849D@radix.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:28:17 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: MD proposes cell phone usage restrictions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit while driving. So, I wonder where this will go... Up until now, I've been waiting for them to do just that, make cell phone yakking a ticket offense. Now I'm wondering if it's going to end up just like 'slower traffic keep right' - cops won't bother with it, because it's easier to catch speeders... the article was in the Wash. Times Metro. section... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 07:28:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11202.mail.yahoo.com (web11202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB8CS3h03146 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:28:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001208122754.58232.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.247.11] by web11202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 04:27:54 PST Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 04:27:54 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: RE: Insurance To: "Smith, Steven" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try Erie insurance. They have very low rates and excellent coverage for cages. I didn't bother trying them for the MC. Geico was best in my area. Matt --- "Smith, Steven" wrote: > Of interest to some may be my auto carrier. I'm > insured with Travelers > through AAA. I've been trying to find better rates > for the last four years > and haven't been able to do it. Word to the driving > record challenged. > > Crash > Peoples Republic of Alexandria > AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 > 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 07:53:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB8Cr3h03452 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 18157 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 04:52:54 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO dc.embjapan.org) (208.167.98.10) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 04:52:54 -0800 X-Sent: 8 Dec 2000 12:52:54 GMT Message-ID: <005801c06116$c43ed200$5302a8c0@embjapan.org> From: "Jim Caldwell" To: References: <200012080001.eB801LX22642@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Tire Mounter Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:59:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Has anyone received their $19.95 Harbor Freight tire mounter? If so, >what's it like? Is it worth it? Does it work? Any feedback I ordered one when the messages were flowing. Received a second backorder notification yesterday. Said another 4 weeks or so. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 08:21:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8DL9h03830 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:21:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:21:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200012080821.AA43123150@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dave Yates >It's quite unfortunate that judges give lenient sentences to drunk >driving offenders. But compelling a breathalyzer test from someone at a >traffic stop seems just a tad unconstitutional to me, on 4th & 5th >amendment grounds. 4th amendment addresses unreasonable search or seizure. Weaving while driving, failing a physical coordination test, glassy eyes, odor of alcohol, open alcohol containers in the car would classify as reasonable search for many people. 5th amendment says you can't be forced to testify against yourself - it doesn't bar physical evidence gathered about your physical or mental condition. I agree it can be intrusive. But this also hinges on whether driving is considered a right or a privilege - I lean toward driving on public roads to be a privilege and you have to prove you're capable of keeping it. >FWIW, if you refuse a breathalyzer in MD, they administratively suspend >your license for 30, 60 or 90 days ... Wouldn't work for this guy. 16 drunk driving arrests, and he says he hasn't had a valid drivers license since 1987. > If the states were really serious about curbing drinking & driving, >there'd be cops waiting outside every bar... Nope. Anti-tax people would never allow enough police to do that. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 08:29:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8DTPh03932 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:29:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:29:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200012080829.AA84279928@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dave Yates >my mother >got rear ended by a 'habitual drunkard' w/ no license. Thank God she >was relatively ok. He'd been convicted at least 6 times previously, & >the county cops (PG) not only knew him by name, they didn't even need >his address (he left the scene). sentence these nit wits to prison time >& quit screwing around... It appears that the legistators do not have the desire or ability to enact this kind of legislation. So it leaves the "punishment" up to civil courts. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 09:07:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8E7Fh05126 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from RichardSperry ([24.23.45.126]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001208140658.QDLB10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@RichardSperry> for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:06:58 -0800 Message-ID: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> From: "Richard Sperry" To: Subject: Bike show in Philly Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:10:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I'm going to the January bike show in Philly. Since I'm such a wimp, I'll be taking the Amtrak. Does anybody want to join me and make a day out of it? I was thinking of leaving Saturday AM. I check the Amtrak schedule and post times and fares. Rich 96 VFR ( and trying to reduce the list pollution) hehe From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 09:15:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8EFsh05653 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB8EFfI2345369 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:15:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A30ED01.2CAD4AF7@radix.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:15:29 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver References: <200012080821.AA43123150@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Dave Yates > >It's quite unfortunate that judges give lenient sentences to drunk > >driving offenders. But compelling a breathalyzer test from someone at a > >traffic stop seems just a tad unconstitutional to me, on 4th & 5th > >amendment grounds. > > 4th amendment addresses unreasonable search or seizure. rigtho - what I meant to address by this assertion was that a breathalyzer, in and of itself, at a roadblock, to me seems to infringe the freedom from unreasonable search. Just because you *might* snare a violator in a widely cast net, doesn't justify wrongly detaining someone who's snared in the same net and is innocent. That logic applies to you walking down the street. For example, If you're walking down the street in old town or DC, the cops can't stand along the sidewalk, stop everyone & give them a breath test - unconstitutional. Those same drunks may or may not pose a danger. Same scenario, but you're in a car. It's perfectly permissible to be detained at a roadblock, and in most states, traffic court is an absolute farce for the defendant. It's way to easy to be railroaded this way - that was my point. Weaving while driving, failing a physical coordination test, glassy eyes, odor of alcohol, open alcohol containers in the car would classify as reasonable search for many people. 5th amendment says you can't be forced to testify against yourself - it doesn't bar physical evidence gathered about your physical or mental condition. through observation, correct. But a breath test WILL be used as evidence against you, and therefore, the 5th amendment applies. > > I agree it can be intrusive. But this also hinges on whether driving is considered a right or a privilege - I lean toward driving on public roads to be a privilege and you have to prove you're capable of keeping it. I also lean that way, and that's what I've been taught and have always presumed was correct... FWIW, I got hit with this on another email list - I can't vouch for it's truth... It's interesting... http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/fl-brief.text It asserts that driving (moving about freely by the commont transportation means of the day) is a right. I make no assertion it's either correct, accurate or true... just that it's interesting... > Wouldn't work for this guy. 16 drunk driving arrests, and he says he hasn't had a valid drivers license since 1987. Ok - Va. will put in the jug for 6 months for 81 in a 65 zone, but Md won't jail someone for drunk driving... Md needs to tighten up sentencing rules for drunks... > > > If the states were really serious about curbing drinking & driving, > >there'd be cops waiting outside every bar... > > Nope. Anti-tax people would never allow enough police to do that. That would be me, and I'd damn well like to see my local cops hang out around the bars to pluck drunks off the road, rather than running stationary radar... There's plenty of bars to choose from, and they obviously have plenty of time and man power to do it if they've got time and manpower to run stationary radar now, don't they ? If they're harassing the drunks, they're leaving me alone as I whiz by at 5 - 10 over the speed limit... ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 09:50:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8Eolh06118 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20353; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:43:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:51:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3A30ED01.2CAD4AF7@radix.net> Importance: Normal I think you guys are assuming that everyone at a sobriety checkpoint gets breathalyzed. This is not true. I went through a sobriety checkpoint last year on Rt. 7 near Seven Corners. When it was my turn, a cop stood next to my window and asked me a few simple questions and I was on my way. It seems that the only time they initiate a breathalyzer test is when that conversation yields slurred speech, the smell of alcohol, or some other indicator that the subject is intoxicated or under the influence of drugs. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 09:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8Eoqh06121 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:50:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly To: "Richard Sperry" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:31:13 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 12/08/2000 09:50:53 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What are the dates of the show? James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGCR - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX "Richard Sperry" To: Subject: Bike show in Philly 12/08/2000 09:10 AM I'm going to the January bike show in Philly. Since I'm such a wimp, I'll be taking the Amtrak. Does anybody want to join me and make a day out of it? I was thinking of leaving Saturday AM. I check the Amtrak schedule and post times and fares. Rich 96 VFR ( and trying to reduce the list pollution) hehe From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 10:01:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB8F1Fh06254 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Fri Dec 8 07:00:51 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:00:51 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.31 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:15:29 Dave Yates wrote: >http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/fl-brief.text Ahh, my long lost CS professor! I believe he is correct in asserting that transportation is a right. If it were really just a priviledge then the gov't could do a USSR: "Papers please" at any place they wanted or outright deny people from moving about. This would obviously run up against the principles of freedom. 100 years ago, we didn't license horse riders. Did you need to find the local constable before you could hook a horse to a wagon and drive down main street? No, of course not. The only ligitimate powers the gov't has is to regulate COMMERCIAL activity. But there is a public safety issue that needs to be addressed. What we SHOULD do is require all non-commercial operators to pass a skills test. Once and only once. but make it rigorous. Then we give them a little card that says you've passed. It would not require renewing. It would not be used to suspend driving, it wouldn't have your address or any of that crap. If the police pull you over for a significant traffic violation they should be allowed to ascertain that you indeed have passed the driving test. Nothing more. What really pisses me off is getting tickets for an illegal R turn on red or turning onto a street that only allows traffic at certain times of the day. These are hardly malicious or dangerous activities. One simply overlooked or missed the supposed signs. But worse, is being confronted by a dozen cops all lined up on the street, gleefully raking in the cash. Nothing makes me want to spit in the face of supposed LEO activities than that kind of blatent BS. There are plenty of good examples of what to do with drunk drivers. And they WORK! Spending an automatic night in the slammer will sober up many careless drunks. Having to pay a hefty fine to redeem your car out of the pound will help reenforce the message. If you keep doing it, then they lengthen the jail time, fine, and number of days you will have to wait to try to get your car back. Does this require a lot more cops? No. You'll probably make a significant dent in drunk drivers though AND the county gets to collect money for their efforts. What passes for LE with regard to drunks is so ineffective and so clearly not interested in safety of the roads, it makes me sick. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 10:21:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8FLhh06551 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-217-249.s249.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.249] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 144PL8-0003Cg-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:21:39 -0500 Message-ID: <00ac01c06129$c6045520$60d93ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm planning on riding the bike up, but if the weather's rotten or it's bitterly cold (<15-20 degrees for me), the train is a good back up. The non-Metroliner NortheastDirect (soon to be Acela Regional) trains are unreserved, so you can walk up and buy your ticket the day of the trip. The unreserved trains only take an extra fifteen to twenty minutes, so the extra fare is not worth it, IMHO. With an Amtrak ticket you get a free transfer on the upper level at 30th St. to the SEPTA trains to Market East station, near the Convention Center. Of course, if the weather's really rotten, Amtrak will be overwhelmed with stranded airline passengers. Dates are Jan 12-14. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Sperry > I'm going to the January bike show in Philly. Since I'm such a wimp, I'll be > taking the Amtrak. Does anybody want to join me and make a day out of it? I > was thinking of leaving Saturday AM. I check the Amtrak schedule and post > times and fares. > > Rich > 96 VFR ( and trying to reduce the list pollution) hehe > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 10:43:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8Fhch06813 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.bb.9a2cab5 (3968) for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:43:16 -0500 (EST) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:43:16 EST Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bb.9a2cab5.27625b94_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 --part1_bb.9a2cab5.27625b94_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/00 10:04:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > There are plenty of good examples of what to do with drunk drivers. And they > WORK! Spending an automatic night in the slammer will sober up many > careless drunks. Having to pay a hefty fine to redeem your car out of the > pound will help reenforce the message. If you keep doing it, then they > lengthen the jail time, fine, and number of days you will have to wait to > try to get your car back. Does this require a lot more cops? No. You'll > probably make a significant dent in drunk drivers though AND the county > gets to collect money for their efforts. > > Actually this is pretty much the norm as far as procedure in VA, already. --part1_bb.9a2cab5.27625b94_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/00 10:04:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pattonme@XXXXXX writes:


There are plenty of good examples of what to do with drunk drivers. And they
WORK! Spending an automatic night in the slammer will sober up many
careless drunks. Having to pay a hefty fine to redeem your car out of the
pound will help reenforce the message. If you keep doing it, then they
lengthen the jail time, fine, and number of days you will have to wait to
try to get your car back. Does this require a lot more cops? No. You'll
probably make a significant dent in drunk drivers though AND the county
gets to collect money for their efforts.



Actually this is pretty much the norm as far as procedure in VA, already. --part1_bb.9a2cab5.27625b94_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 10:45:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-a.capu.net (IDENT:0@XXXXXX [205.177.76.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8Fjph06854 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from carbon.eknow.com (router.eknow.com [64.50.136.66]) by smtp-a.capu.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08046 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:45:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200012081545.KAA08046@smtp-a.capu.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:45:18 EST From: Mark Lundquist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: old inspection sticker Reply-To: mlundquist@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alcohol dissolves the glue really well. Just a little patience and a lot of alcohol will do the trick. On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Kevin Bechtel wrote: > Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:54:05 -0500 > To: > From: "Kevin Bechtel" > Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" > Subject: old inspection sticker > > And for all those VA riders out there, any tips for removing the > |>registration sticker from the fork? Damn thing must be made out of > |>kevlar.... > > You can heat it with a hair dryer to make it more pliable. Whatever glue > doesn't come off can be removed with acetone(nail polish remover) DO NOT > GET ANY ON THE PAINTED PARTS !!!! > -- Mark Lundquist Things always end badly, e-know, inc otherwise they would end. mlundquist@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 10:52:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8Fqih06931 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 144Poj-0001fR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:52:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tri-state (pa-md-va) sportbike breakfasts? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw this on the VFR list, has anyone heard anything about this? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- I heard tonight of a regular (seasonal) Sunday morning breakfast in Ephrata (PA) that is common to sport-bikes and the like. Anyone here familiar with that? Wayne? Joe? Others? Is it mostly squids, or how would you describe it? A couple of us in State College thought that'd be a nice ride, particularly, I suggested, if we can work in the yet-unridden PA-125 through Shamokin (sp?). I've heard great reviews, but haven't gotten there YET. If any of you within a reasonable radius of Ephrata can better describe the popular goings-on, I would be interested in your remarks. Thanks in advance. -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 10:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8FtJh06945 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-214-38.s38.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.214.38] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 144Prd-0007UZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00e701c0612e$778a0de0$60d93ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Freedom of movement (rather than transportation) is a right, however, like all rights it is subject to reasonable time, place and manner restrictions. Demonstrating a (much too low IMO) level of skill in the operation of a vehicle, obeying the rules of the road, paying for and displaying valid registration and having a vehicle that conforms to minimum safety and insurance requirements are just such reasonable time, place and manner restrictions on the freedom of movement by automobile. Other types of movement are much restricted than driving. Hitchhiking and hopping freight trains are illegal in the Commonwealth, for instance. Depending on your place in the socio-economic food chain, these are quite onerous restrictions indeed. Oh yes, and try boarding an airliner without a ticket, or now without photo ID. Historically motor vehicle registration and driver licensing goes back to the early days of the motorcar, when only the wealthy drove, or were driven, more precisely. The registration taxes were, and still are, the purchase of a franchise to use the public right-of-way at a higher level of use and convenience than the pedestrian or horse. Driver licensing for a long time required no testing of any kind. It was the purchase of a license, just like a business license, that is, the payment of a fee to the state in order to practice a certain regulated activity. There is no more of a right to drive than there is a right to practice dentistry. The now nearly universal nature of driving is what leads to the assertion of "rights." Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton > > >http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/fl-brief.text > > Ahh, my long lost CS professor! I believe he is correct in asserting that transportation is a right. If it were really just a priviledge From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 11:01:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8G16h07068 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from attglobal.net ([12.78.116.58]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001208160041.OUSI20084.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:00:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3A3105FF.60FB9CF0@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:02:07 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [ja] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: ja,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I recently joined this list and this is my first time posting. My last name happens to be Honda and I also happen to be riding on Honda NT650 Hawk GT... I'm thinking about going to the Motorcycle Show at Philadelphia. Since I'm little worried about the weather, I think I'll be driving in a cage. Anyone interested in getting a ride? I live in Alexandria near Old Town. jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: > > What are the dates of the show? The dates are Jan 12-14 and the location is; Pennsylvania Convention Center Hall D 1101 Arch Street Philadelphia, PA 19107-2299 (215) 418-4989 more details at; http://www.motorcycleshows.com/ph.cfm > > James Itabashi > The World Bank Group > Site 8 SMS Administrator > ISGCR - ISGITC > 202-458-1697 > x.81697 I2-165D > jitabashi@XXXXXX > -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Honda NT650 Hawk GT Alexandria, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 11:12:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB8GCCh07250 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:12:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001208161151.27730.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:11:51 PST Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver To: Christopher Weaver , Dave Yates Cc: List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did you know that in Fairfax the cops now have breathalyzers on the ends of their flashlights? You might have been breathalyzed without even knowing it! Glenn --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > I think you guys are assuming that everyone at a > sobriety checkpoint gets > breathalyzed. This is not true. I went through a > sobriety checkpoint last > year on Rt. 7 near Seven Corners. When it was my > turn, a cop stood next to > my window and asked me a few simple questions and I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 11:16:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f234.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8GG8h07301 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:15:42 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:15:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tri-state (pa-md-va) sportbike breakfasts? (fwd) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:15:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2000 16:15:42.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CC31560:01C06132] Hugh, Yeah, it's been discussed on the DC Sportbike list. I know that some of those guys go to it fairly regularly. It sounds like it could be interesting... Perry >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: tri-state (pa-md-va) sportbike breakfasts? (fwd) >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) > > > Saw this on the VFR list, has anyone heard anything >about this? > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >I heard tonight of a regular (seasonal) Sunday morning breakfast >in Ephrata (PA) that is common to sport-bikes and the like. Anyone >here familiar with that? Wayne? Joe? Others? Is it mostly squids, >or how would you describe it? > >A couple of us in State College thought that'd be a nice ride, >particularly, >I suggested, if we can work in the yet-unridden PA-125 through Shamokin >(sp?). I've heard great reviews, but haven't gotten there YET. > >If any of you within a reasonable radius of Ephrata can better describe >the popular goings-on, I would be interested in your remarks. Thanks >in advance. >-- > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 12:56:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1201.mail.yahoo.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB8HuJh09113 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12451 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2000 17:56:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20001208175615.12450.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:56:15 PST Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, let's fan the flames a little higher.... I believe that freedom of movement is a right - the government can't stop you from moving freely about the country. However, there is no guarantee of how you do this. Denying you a drivers liscense does not stop you from moving about, it merely cuts you choice of mode of transport down by one. Otherwise, there would be no liscensing of any sort, and anybody could get behind the wheel, stick or tiller of whatever they wanted. Just my $0.02 Todd --- Matthew Patton wrote: > On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:15:29 Dave Yates wrote: > > >http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/fl-brief.text > > Ahh, my long lost CS professor! I believe he is correct in asserting > that transportation is a right. If it were really just a priviledge > then the gov't could do a USSR: "Papers please" at any place they > wanted or outright deny people from moving about. ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 13:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8I3kh09260 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G5900F01GTCI8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:03:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G59007U2GTC8N@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:03:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G5900L01GTBCF@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:03:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G5900L01GTAC5@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:03:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G5900JD7GST8R@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:02:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:02:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: old inspection sticker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mlundquist@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A31224C.201E22B7@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200012081545.KAA08046@smtp-a.capu.net> Mark Lundquist wrote: > > Just a little patience and a lot of alcohol will do the trick. Mark just gave away my big secret for *all* my maintenance tasks on the motorcycles... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 13:15:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8IF8h09479 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.163.114.212]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:14:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3124A2.1845476A@cox.rr.com> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:12:51 -0500 From: +Andrew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 13:18:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB8II7h09489 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 20984 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 10:17:50 -0800 Received: from 1Cust58.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.15.231.58) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 10:17:50 -0800 X-Sent: 8 Dec 2000 18:17:50 GMT Message-ID: <005201c06143$9311e320$3ae70f3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "DC Cycles" References: <20001208175615.12450.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:20:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hmmm, this is kind of interesting...i've been deleting these posts, but decided to check and see what all the noise was about...funny to see that you guys are still holding off-topic posts even without the people you all slammed for doing it a few weeks ago, myself included....I'll just sit here laughing now... LAG P.S. Todd, this was not aimed at you, just happened to have your e-mail to reply to ----- Original Message ----- From: E. Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:56 PM Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver > Ok, let's fan the flames a little higher.... > > I believe that freedom of movement is a right - the government can't > stop you from moving freely about the country. However, there is no > guarantee of how you do this. Denying you a drivers liscense does not > stop you from moving about, it merely cuts you choice of mode of > transport down by one. Otherwise, there would be no liscensing of any > sort, and anybody could get behind the wheel, stick or tiller of > whatever they wanted. > > Just my $0.02 > > Todd > --- Matthew Patton wrote: > > On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:15:29 Dave Yates wrote: > > > > >http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/fl-brief.text > > > > Ahh, my long lost CS professor! I believe he is correct in asserting > > that transportation is a right. If it were really just a priviledge > > then the gov't could do a USSR: "Papers please" at any place they > > wanted or outright deny people from moving about. > > ===== > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `83 V65 Magna - Falcon > `80 CX-500C > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 13:53:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8IrDh10031 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.122] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id ADFA1D1A00F6; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:52:42 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Speed Trap 495 Outer Loop in MD Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:50:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c06160$f22a7f80$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 On 495 Outer loop in MD, right at the Colesville (rt. 29) exit before the construction. Hope this helps someone. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 16:21:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8LLPh11983 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23168 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904672EC9@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: old inspection sticker Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:19:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah, but Dale, is that alcohol internally or externally applied? ;-) LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Dale Horstman said: after Mark Lundquist wrote: > > Just a little patience and a lot of alcohol will do the trick. Mark just gave away my big secret for *all* my maintenance tasks on the motorcycles... :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 16:54:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8Lsih12355 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G5900A01RI2GQ@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:54:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G5900964RI1VP@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:54:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G5900L01RI09L@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:54:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G5900L01RHA2A@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G5900IK7RH1DB@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:53:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:53:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: old inspection sticker To: "Tanner, Linda" Cc: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Message-id: <3A315855.C1DDE4CA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904672EC9@XXXXXX> "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > > Yeah, but Dale, is that alcohol internally or externally applied? > Well, I try to start out with internal use, but usually end up with a lot of external application before I'm done... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 18:11:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB8NBOh13262 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:11:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001208231106.15753.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.199] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:11:06 PST Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: cell phone use cited in fatal accident To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Rob Keiser wrote: > > > > Yep. Just 4 points and a $500 fine. > > You know, as I've said before, it's ridiculous that > homocide by vehicle is somehow 'less serious' than > homicide by weapon. This guy was clearly negligent, & > killed 2 people. If he'd pointed a gun at them, thinking > it unloaded & shot them... that would be common law murder. the requisite mental state for this charge can be met by a showing of a extreme disregard for human life--the 'depraved heart' murder. simple negligence won't ever get a murder conviction. that is why the state needed to show something more severe than negligence in the present case....it really is a tough job when the defense can present evidence (however slight) to rebut that. > OTOH, I can understand that since there is no LAW saying > that cell phones are prohibited while driving so as to > tie the negligence to the deaths, why there was no > conviction. In actuality, I think it may have > been on the borderline of misconduct for attempting to > prosecute for 'perceived violation' on the part of the > state. my feeling is that the 'cell-phone' defense was just that--a defense. it was an attempt to show that there was something less than outrageous, reckless conduct ... and it worked. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 19:09:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dorsey.fcc.net (dorsey.fcc.net [207.198.253.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB909Gh14046 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:09:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:09:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012090009.eB909Gh14046@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from home ([216.25.202.67]) by dorsey.fcc.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57968U12500L1250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:10:44 -0500 X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Aerostich Roadcrafter - For Sale 12 weeks (plus 1 day) after ordering my new suit, it has arrived. If nothing else, the people at the Rider Wearhouse are punctual! So, this leaves me with a suit I had bought off Ebay. It is a 44-Long with no known modifications. It's, however, a custom color best described as gray or olive drab with brown ballistics. Its approximately 5 years old but no damage. All zippers work fine, the velco could use combing. All padding was replaced about 2 months ago. According to Aerostich, there have not been any changes in construction in the past 5 years, so this suit is the same quality as those made today. There will soon be pictures up at http://www.ljracing.com/suit and they will be updated with better pictures as I get them. The suit is going to Ebay next week. I'm asking $400 for it now which includes 2nd day air shipping to the purchaser. Email me at bruce@XXXXXX with questions. Thanks for your patience. Bruce Brownlee -- Bruce Brownlee Webmaster/PR - #91 Winston Cup Team http://www.LJRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 19:50:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dorsey.fcc.net (dorsey.fcc.net [207.198.253.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB90ohh14659 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:50:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:50:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012090050.eB90ohh14659@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from home ([216.25.202.67]) by dorsey.fcc.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57968U12500L1250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:52:44 -0500 X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Aerostich Roadcrafter - For Sale 12 weeks (plus 1 day) after ordering my new suit, it has arrived. If nothing else, the people at the Rider Wearhouse are punctual! So, this leaves me with a suit I had bought off Ebay. It is a 44-Long with no known modifications. It's, however, a custom color best described as gray or olive drab with brown ballistics. Its approximately 5 years old but no damage. All zippers work fine, the velco could use combing. All padding was replaced about 2 months ago. According to Aerostich, there have not been any changes in construction in the past 5 years, so this suit is the same quality as those made today. There will soon be pictures up at http://www.ljracing.com/suit and they will be updated with better pictures as I get them. The suit is going to Ebay next week. I'm asking $400 for it now which includes 2nd day air shipping to the purchaser. Email me at bruce@XXXXXX with questions. Thanks for your patience. Bruce Brownlee -- Bruce Brownlee Webmaster/PR - #91 Winston Cup Team http://www.LJRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 20:03:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB9135h14776 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-130.s130.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.130]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 144YPm-00061u-00 ; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:03:03 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who has '95 ZX7 I can look at? Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:04:21 -0800 Message-ID: <7db33t09sq0i1oitmqhbt47jal68k95rvu@4ax.com> References: <20001207210805.23124.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20001207210805.23124.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB913Ch14777 Hiya leon! Is there a particular reason you want a zx7 seat as opposed to another zx6D seat? or zx6E? you can search ebay.com for 'kawasaki seat" or motosalvage.com and put in a parts quote online. kawasaki has a website : http://buykawasaki.com with online parts manuals. You can see pictures and part numbers on it and compare. Sometimes part #'s can be different ( I think ) but it is the same thing, or will work... btw I think the 95 zx7 had a 2 peice seat didn't it? i think the 94 had the one peice seat. Danny On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:08:05 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>I'd like to look at a Kawasaki ZX7 to see if the seat |>from it can be adapted to fit my ZX6. I don't know |>what other years would also fit, but if the seat is |>the same, the other years would be find also. |> |>Please contact me off list. |> |>Leon. |>'91 ZX6D |>'89 EX250 |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. |>http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 20:04:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB914Sh14786 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-130.s130.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.130]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 144YR8-0006Hn-00 ; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:04:26 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Richard Sperry" Cc: Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:05:46 -0800 Message-ID: References: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> In-Reply-To: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB914Uh14787 There is going to be a bike show in Baltimore around jan 12, 13, 14. I saw it in some free bike related newspaper at clinton cycles. Danny On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:10:55 -0500, you wrote: |>I'm going to the January bike show in Philly. Since I'm such a wimp, I'll be |>taking the Amtrak. Does anybody want to join me and make a day out of it? I |>was thinking of leaving Saturday AM. I check the Amtrak schedule and post |>times and fares. |> |>Rich |>96 VFR ( and trying to reduce the list pollution) hehe |> From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 20:17:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB91Hfh14970 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn55.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.168.120]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id UAA30151 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:17:38 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20001208201038.00bd3ec0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:17:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: YZF600R In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB91Hih14971 Hi Sally, I've never ridden one but by all accounts it's a great all around bike. Check out this review: http://www.2wf.com/html/bikes/latesttest/yzf600r/yzf600r.shtml At 01:20 PM 12/7/00 , Wood, Sally wrote: >Anyone out there riding a late model YZF600R? Any observations (good, bad >or otherwise) you'd like to share? > >Sally >'98 GS500E M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 AMA #304533 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 20:30:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB91UBh15159 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn55.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.168.120]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id UAA01095 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:30:00 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20001208201917.00bd0280@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:29:42 -0500 To: "dc cycles" From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly In-Reply-To: <00ac01c06129$c6045520$60d93ad0@palladio> References: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB91UHh15160 At 10:15 AM 12/8/00 , Paul Wilson wrote: >I'm planning on riding the bike up, but if the weather's rotten or it's >bitterly cold (<15-20 degrees for me), the train is a good back up. I am too. For a 4 hour ride, I think my minimum temp will be closer to 25M-:F though :-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 20:31:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB91V2h15169 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXMgvTY0i9RPhmF8nGaqvCwEiuItCV/crvQ=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FQTFKKKL; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:30:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:15:04 -0500 Subject: Philly and Baltimore Bike Shows -MARRC Volunteers Needed Message-ID: <20001208.203004.-208269.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-8,10-11,13,15-16 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick MARRC will host its award winning exhibit at the Baltimore Bike show, and possibly the Philadelphia Bike Show. If interested in helping out at the booth, contact Randy Dalmas at: marrcweb@XXXXXX I am scheduled to work in Baltimore, and I may work Philly, as I am a South Jersey native. Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS AM#806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) ***Order your Daytona leathers TODAY, and tell Bill "Tom sent me..."*** From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 21:36:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB92aAh15966 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ivek11.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.80.33]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13976 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:36:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A319A7E.EB8FCEFC@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:35:42 -0500 From: Todd Schroder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Tire Mounter References: <200012090001.eB901Lc13920@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am interested to hear how these work. I was placing an order for some stuff from Harbor Freight the other day and while contemplating the tire changer, I re-read the description. I discovered that it says that it must be used in conjunction with the non-motorcycle tire changer they sell for $69.99. It looks like the motorcycle tire changer uses the base from the large tire changer. In the pictures, the large tire changer is blue while the motorcycle changer is red. I believe the picture is misleading and thus shows the motorcycle tire changer on a red base which is not included in the $19.99 price. Is there a plunger or clamp mechanism in the base which is used with the changer or might the motorcycle changer be able to mount on a bench or some other type of base? Todd Schroder > From: "Jim Caldwell" > To: > Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Tire Mounter > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:59:56 -0500 > > Has anyone received their $19.95 Harbor Freight tire mounter? If so, > what's it like? Is it worth it? Does it work? Any feedback From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 22:40:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB93eih16710 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from skynet (user-2ivel8b.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.11]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02699 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:40:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c06191$b121abe0$0b55f7a5@sky.net> From: "Gavin Ruddy" To: Subject: Philly bike show Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:39:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I might be interested in taking the train to the Philly show. I was thinking of going to the New York one. Is the Philly one comparable to the New York show? Gavin Ruddy Lorton, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 8 23:26:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB94QPh17268 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20982 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:26:17 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001208232433.020bf580@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 23:26:12 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly In-Reply-To: References: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:05 PM 12/8/2000, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >There is going to be a bike show in Baltimore around jan 12, 13, 14. >I saw it in some free bike related newspaper at clinton cycles. If it is the same as the one last January - it was a let down. Small section of sport bikes, few oldies, 75% Harleys and Harley related merchandise. Great if you are into them, but I am not. Was impressed at the variety of customized bikes and paint jobs. Not to mention Boss Hog. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 03:23:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB98Nah21039 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.122] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id AC07D54006E; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 03:23:35 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: From News of The Weird Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:23:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c061d2$7b187240$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Driving While Involved Lucrecia Ortuno, 30, was charged in August with injuring her 8-month-old son in a car crash in Houston; according to police reports, she was driving while breastfeeding him. And Kenneth Herron, 40, was charged with manslaughter in August in Little Rock, Ark., after his car crossed the center line and collided with another car; according to police, Herron was driving (with his knees) while preparing his crack cocaine. And a 27-year-old woman was killed when she lost control of her car on I-75 near Atlanta in August; according to witnesses, she was driving while applying makeup. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 07:47:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB9Clsh26936 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 07:47:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001209124746.26858.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.226.169] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 04:47:46 PST Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 04:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Philly bike show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gavin Ruddy wrote: > I might be interested in taking the train to the Philly show. I was > thinking of going to the New York one. Is the Philly one comparable to the > New York show? > > Gavin Ruddy > Lorton, VA If you go to http://www.motorcycleshows.com/ you can get a listing of venders at both of the shows. There are more venders that show up at the NY motorcycle show. However, I prefer the Philly show because it is not quite as mobbed, and I can acutally move around without having to weave back and forth through the crowd. Still, I wonder why they have it in Philly and not a location like DC. They already have the big show in NY, and they have one in Atlanta. Seems like DC would be a more central location. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 08:01:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB9D1nh27120 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-22.patriot.net [209.249.181.22]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eB9D1jx13357; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:01:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3A322C5E.7A3D5699@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 07:58:06 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahalan CC: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: From News of The Weird References: <000001c061d2$7b187240$3e00000a@darwin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One out of three for wierd. Hardly a commute goes by without me seeing a chik applying makeup - #1 scarey was the chik who had an eyelash curler clamped on while leaving a light in her stick shift car. And one Sat morning I trailed a dude who was driving while loading, lighting, and taking hits off a bong. But the driving while nursing thang is a new one. Breastfeeding while a passenger, yes, while driving? Yikes! Poll Time!!! Who has a swival mouth coffee thang so they can charge up on caffiene while ridng? Will anyone admit to dallying with controlled substances while riding? Pillion gals - anyone applied makeup while in the wind? And the biggie - distracted other driver/riders by responding positively to the ol' biker call "Show me your tits!" Bill Ahalan wrote: > Driving While Involved > Lucrecia Ortuno, 30, was charged in August with injuring her 8-month-old son > in a car crash in Houston; according to police reports, she was driving > while breastfeeding him. And Kenneth Herron, 40, was charged with > manslaughter in August in Little Rock, Ark., after his car crossed the > center line and collided with another car; according to police, Herron was > driving (with his knees) while preparing his crack cocaine. And a > 27-year-old woman was killed when she lost control of her car on I-75 near > Atlanta in August; according to witnesses, she was driving while applying > makeup. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 08:17:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB9DHth27299 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-22.patriot.net [209.249.181.22]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eB9DHox14251; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3A323023.8AE99EC1@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 08:14:11 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Philly bike show References: <20001209124746.26858.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Still, I wonder why they have it in Philly and not a location like DC. They > already have the big show in NY, and they have one in Atlanta. Seems like DC > would be a more central location. > Show problems - the convention center demands. Back in my marina days I had to setup the booth and deal with the DC convention center folks. Shows are rated A, B, and C. The rating is based on how many overnight out of towners it will draw. Boat shows, car shows, and bike shows are C, meaning the bulk of the draw is local and now known for spending those big bucks on nearby restuarants and other delights. One year our C rated boat show was bumped the night before opening from the original floor space by a frigging flower show!!! Our booth size was cut in half. It's all about money. The convention center serves the greedy needs of the city, not the public. It would take a combined effort of our local dealers to even plan a M/C show, and it takes a ton of money to pull it off. For now we'll have to be satisfied with *tent* style shows like the one out near Chantilly. I noticed the boat folks are leaning in that direction too. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 08:51:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB9DpBh27714 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:51:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001209135050.10835.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 05:50:50 PST Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 05:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver To: Dave Yates Cc: List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > Weaving while driving, failing a physical coordination > test, glassy eyes, odor of alcohol, open alcohol > containers in the car would classify as reasonable search > for many people. 5th amendment says you can't be > forced to testify against yourself - it doesn't bar > physical evidence gathered about your physical or mental > condition. > > through observation, correct. But a breath test WILL be > used as evidence against you, and therefore, the 5th > amendment applies. it COULD apply, but only in the context of a defendant who invokes his 5th amendment right to have counsel present before any questioning continues. the 5th amendment does NOT apply to the breath test evidence itself. > > I agree it can be intrusive. But this also hinges on > whether driving is considered a right or a privilege - I > lean toward driving on public roads to be a privilege and > you have to prove you're capable of keeping it. > > I also lean that way, and that's what I've been taught > and have always presumed was correct... FWIW, I got hit > ith this on another email list - I can't vouch for it's > truth... It's interesting... > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/fl-brief.text > > It asserts that driving (moving about freely by the > commont transportation means of the day) is a right. I > make no assertion it's either correct, accurate or > true... just that it's interesting... i'm glad you didn't make that assertion, because it's just plain wrong....regardless of what some nameless individual believes his brief shows. there is a very short list of "fundamental rights" recognized by the u.s. supreme court ... and among those IS the right to interstate travel. however, this right certainly doesn't mean that everybody has a right to unrestricted use of the interstate highways; it means that everyone has the right to move around the country in order to pursue their livelihoods. i haven't read the entire brief yet, but i will. upon a cursory review of it, it appears that the author has relied on a large number of sources (and word-twisting) to attempt to get around the fact that the control of interstate commerce (and therefore highway use) is an enumerated federal power; and that the federal government has allowed states to handle the licensing of drivers through a system of adminstrative laws. i've said before that when you're dealing with adminstrative law the usual rules don't apply--in the background there is always a balancing of due process vs. the government's interest in efficiency. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 09:04:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB9E4rh27839 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:04:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001209140446.24781.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 06:04:46 PST Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 06:04:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver To: Paul Wilson , dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Freedom of movement (rather than transportation) is a > right, however, like all rights it is subject to > reasonable time, place and manner restrictions. please correct me if i'm wrong, but it sounds like you've got your 1st amendment freedom of speech standard (reasonable time, place and manner restrictions) mixed up with a freedom of movement standard (that i've never heard of). as i indicated in a previous message, there is a fundamental right of interstate travel, but its title may be a bit misleading. i believe the there is no "freedom of movement" in the context of interstate commerce because it is dominated by the MVAs/DMVs of the various states through a system of administrative laws....these include licensing/use restrictions and fees/taxes, etc. the government generally doesn't tax fundamental rights (ooops! i may have just overreached) > There is no more of a right to drive than there is a > right to practice dentistry. The now nearly universal > nature of driving is what leads to the assertion of > "rights." agreed -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 09:07:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eB9E7Hh27916 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:07:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001209140710.1277.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 06:07:10 PST Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 06:07:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver To: Laura Granato , etrigan@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii laura, this is an ON-TOPIC thread traffic and constitutional laws on transportation are necessarily moto-related --- Laura Granato wrote: > Hmmm, this is kind of interesting...i've been deleting > these posts, but > decided to check and see what all the noise was > about...funny to see that > you guys are still holding off-topic posts even without > the people you all > slammed for doing it a few weeks ago, myself > included....I'll just sit here > laughing now... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: E. Rittershausen > To: DC Cycles > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver > > > > Ok, let's fan the flames a little higher.... > > > > I believe that freedom of movement is a right - the > government can't > > stop you from moving freely about the country. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 11:33:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f220.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.220]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB9GWxh29630 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:32:51 -0800 Received: from 172.134.222.50 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:32:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.134.222.50] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Touching article in todays Post... Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:32:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2000 16:32:51.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC62CC30:01C061FD] Front page of today's sports section has a great piece on one of our own. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46060-2000Dec8.html Too bad the web version doesn't have the cool pic of Pete on his Yamaha. Looks like he's trying out for the Las Vegas Extremes! ;) Have a great weekend everyone. Rob '98 VFR800 _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 17:42:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB9MgVh04098 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-74.s74.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.74]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 144shI-00067j-00 ; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:42:28 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Todd Schroder Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Tire Mounter Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:43:48 -0800 Message-ID: References: <200012090001.eB901Lc13920@dirty.meretrix.com> <3A319A7E.EB8FCEFC@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3A319A7E.EB8FCEFC@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB9MhMh04099 Someone posted the stuff is on back order anyway.. when they come in stock then we should see how well they work from reviews of those members on the list who bought them. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 17:44:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB9MiFh04108 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-74.s74.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.74]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 144sj0-0006H7-00 ; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:44:14 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Troutman Cc: Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:45:34 -0800 Message-ID: References: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20001208232433.020bf580@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001208232433.020bf580@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eB9MiHh04109 |>If it is the same as the one last January - it was a let down. Small Oh that sucks.. I may want to got to the NY show then. They had fieldsheer airblade jackets (perforated with lining i thinK) for only $129 ! The philly show didnt' have them. Maybe it was just one vendor.. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 18:05:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB9N5uh04406 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBA05bQ06015 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:05:38 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: non-moto DNS question Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:05:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c06234$762dac20$5c0810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sorry about the wasted bandwidth, can't ride until I sort out a configuration issue :) Anyone out there who could answer a couple of questions concerning MX records and DNS? Email directly if you have a few moments. Thanks, Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 18:37:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB9Nbnh04786 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.55.e73a24e (3992) for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <55.e73a24e.27641c3e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:37:34 EST Subject: Re: Touching article in todays Post... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Is this the same Pete who kept locking it up in turn 1 at the Cycle Sport track day? Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 19:32:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBA0Vxh05553 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from therock (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29155 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:25:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002801c06240$b37b38c0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: DCcycles YSR Racing Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:32:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well, your friendly neighborhood webmaster is now the proud owner of a Yamaha YSR50 race bike. If everything goes according to plan, I will be "campaigning" the YSR in 2001 in the EARA race series. :^) I'll post the schedule when it gets announced in case any list members want to come out and root for the underdog. http://www.teamcalamari.com/dox/earra.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '87 YSR50 www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 9 19:49:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBA0nSh05744 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBA1nFQ07704 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:49:16 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: DCcycles YSR Racing Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c06242$f075f600$5c0810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <002801c06240$b37b38c0$0100a8c0@therock> Importance: Normal Congrats on your acquisition! It will be neat to see what a whole season of racing sets you back. Might meet the affordability requirement my spouse has so cruelly forced upon me :) Cedric -- Well, your friendly neighborhood webmaster is now the proud owner of a Yamaha YSR50 race bike. If everything goes according to plan, I will be "campaigning" the YSR in 2001 in the EARA race series. :^) I'll post the schedule when it gets announced in case any list members want to come out and root for the underdog. http://www.teamcalamari.com/dox/earra.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '87 YSR50 www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 10 12:49:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dorsey.fcc.net (dorsey.fcc.net [207.198.253.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBAHnVh19127 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:49:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:49:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012101749.eBAHnVh19127@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from home ([216.25.203.142]) by dorsey.fcc.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57968U12500L1250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:52:02 -0500 X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: re: Looking for a new job.... apologies: i lost the post from a lister a day or two ago asking for help finding a new job in the IT field. please contact me off list. (also have to apologize for the double post about the riding suit. i thought i had mailed from the wrong alias and the list was closed.... damn digest). we now return you to whatever breathtaking discussion is currently occurring. -- Bruce Brownlee Webmaster/PR - #91 Winston Cup Team http://www.LJRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 10 19:46:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBB0jth24198 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-45-23.s23.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.23]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 145H6G-0007e2-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:45:53 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reduce the pollution on the list ( please) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:46:57 -0800 Message-ID: References: <19377734.976203986287.JavaMail.imail@prickles> In-Reply-To: <19377734.976203986287.JavaMail.imail@prickles> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBB0kPh24199 digest mode sucks.. get a seperate email program and seperate address for your dc cycles email. Digest mode or not.. you are still gonna download the same amount of data. In non digest mode, you have a better ability to filter out all the topics (and or authors) that you don't want to see. digest mode really does suck. danny From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 10 21:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBB2Wih25563 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from therock (pool180-197.patriot.net [209.249.180.197]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00680 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:26:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c0631a$b7bb9f80$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: DCcycles Site Update Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:33:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just a quick note to let everyone know that the DCcycles website has now added a guestbook feature. Please take a look and sign in. This is the first of several new features we're working on, including a more robust, interactive Calendar page and additional ride sheets. In the future we hope to add a Chat page where you can interact in real-time with your cycling friends, archive search capability, as well as other interactive, engaging features. Thanks to everyone who've visited DCcycles.com and helped to make it an informative and entertaining site. Cheers, Chris Weaver Webmaster, www.dccycles.com '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 06:54:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBBsmD08319 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBBBsjI2578917 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:54:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A34C084.14B5A716@radix.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:54:44 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: 16th arrest for MD drunk driver References: <20001208175615.12450.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "E. Rittershausen" stoked the hornet's nest: > > Ok, let's fan the flames a little higher.... > > I believe that freedom of movement is a right - the government can't > stop you from moving freely about the country. However, there is no > guarantee of how you do this. Denying you a drivers liscense does not > stop you from moving about, it merely cuts you choice of mode of > transport down by one. Agree. But, the link 'article' asserted moving about by 'the common means of the day' - which is the automobile... Again, I'm not in any way advocating that licensing get ANY less strict, just that it's an interesting premise... > Otherwise, there would be no liscensing of any > sort, and anybody could get behind the wheel, stick or tiller of > whatever they wanted. I realize that things are a bit different now, but, early on when you had to scrape & scrounge for a car (or motorcycle) it seems we didn't have as many accidents. Now, all you have to do to get wheels is be good & mommy & daddy will buy you a brand new set... Not that I'm bitter or anything... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:06:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBBE69D10301 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:06:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001211140601.4053.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:06:01 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:06:01 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Loudoun M/S (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought I'd post this to the list from a friend of mine, Lance. I've ridden with him for a couple years now and he's a very decent guy. He's not on the list but I thought this information may be useful for others considering doing business with LMS. This is twice I've seen these guys pull a trick like this, the first time was with one of our listers, Tom Gimer. Tom and I were in there one day and I distinctly remember hearing Greg offer a certain price on a bike, we went back less then a week later and I heard him say "I'd never sell this bike that cheap". I want to add that what's listed below, I also received the same flyer just this past Saturday and can conform what is says. Also, I bought my current ride from Greg a little over two years and he gave me a great deal and seemed decent at the time. Seeing what's he has done recently though, I doubt I'd buy another bike from him. Obviously the MSRP is wrong, but Lance went back this past Friday and tried to get them to make any kind of deal and all they did was mock him. Lances article follows: >I need advice: >Yesterday I got a flyer from Loudon Motorsports, that >included this ad for >the GSX-R750 at MSRP $8349. They also had additional >$500 savings from a >"coupon" on the same page. I know they have a >blue/white in stock. $7849? >Sold! >I went in today with the ad up and said, "I'll take >one!". Apparently, >neither Greg nor Eddie had yet seen the ad. They >studied it for a few >moments, then Greg said, "Obviously a mistake. We're >not selling it for >that." I bantered about advertised prices and such, >and Greg countered that >the $500 coupon was a great deal. I said I could get >$500 off anywhere, and >he claimed he'd lose $2500 if he sold it for $7849 >(??). He made no counter >offers, so I said I'd go buy somewhere else. >From what I've heard about Greg, I'm not surprised. >BUT, I want the bike >for the advertised price. Is there a way to make him >honour the ad? Can I >pressure him into it some way? Am I being >unreasonable? >If I can't get the bike for this price, I want to >share this story with all >bikers out there, as well as all other Suzuki dealers. > I'm pissed off. >Comments? >lance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:31:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBEV3D10684 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27186 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:30:51 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:30:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) In-Reply-To: <20001211140601.4053.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:06 AM 12/11/00, Glenn Dysart wrote: >I want to add that what's listed below, I also >received the same flyer just this past Saturday and >can conform what is says. What they did was clearly illegal. He could file against them and get the bike for the advertised price. They are responsible for any ads they put out, and will be forced to sell it at that price if he demands it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Voters decide nothing. Vote counters decide everything!" - Joseph Stalin From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:39:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBEd1D10761 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBBEf6118417 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:41:07 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:41:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20001211140601.4053.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20001211140601.4053.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121109410600.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I tend to think that dealing with ANY dealer in this area, unless you have a long-standing relationship with them, is not going to get you a great deal on a new motorcycle - especially if it's a "hot selling" model. The plain and simple fact of the matter is that the DC area has a fairly high cost of living, and people who live here tend to make a fair bit of cash. Especially people who are going to plunk down $8k - $10k on secondary, recreational transportation. The local dealers are well aware of this, and simply don't need to do deep discounting to sell any bike on their floor that's popular (i.e. the "hot" sportbike of the year (i.e. the GSXR) or the most popular cruisers (such as the yamaha Star line)). Supply and demand is how our economy works, and I simply can't fault them for selling their products for as much money as they can get. You will not find a GSXR750 or 600 sitting on a showroom floor next summer because the dealer wouldn't discount it. As for LMS not honoring the add... that's a tough call to make. If the ad says "MSRP $8349", it's obviously a misprint. The MSRP of the GSXR750 is $9449. While it's illegal to advertise a sale price on something and not honor it, or not have the product to sell in the first place (both fall under the "Bait and switch" catagory), you are not required to honor a misprint. The tough call mentioned above is whether or not to believe it was a mistake. If it were Coleman (powerride, whatever) we were talking about, I'd say that the ad was misprinted intentionally, using the "MSRP" designator so that they could avoid any resulting legal action ("Your honor, everyone knows what the MRSP is on this bike, and that isn't it"). I've not dealt with LMS other than to stop in and buy some oil or whatever, so I can't add any experiences as to their business ethic. - Roach On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > I thought I'd post this to the list from a friend of > mine, Lance. I've ridden with him for a couple years > now and he's a very decent guy. He's not on the list > but I thought this information may be useful for > others considering doing business with LMS. This is > twice I've seen these guys pull a trick like this, the > first time was with one of our listers, Tom Gimer. > Tom and I were in there one day and I distinctly > remember hearing Greg offer a certain price on a bike, > we went back less then a week later and I heard him > say "I'd never sell this bike that cheap". > > I want to add that what's listed below, I also > received the same flyer just this past Saturday and > can conform what is says. Also, I bought my current > ride from Greg a little over two years and he gave me > a great deal and seemed decent at the time. Seeing > what's he has done recently though, I doubt I'd buy > another bike from him. Obviously the MSRP is wrong, > but Lance went back this past Friday and tried to get > them to make any kind of deal and all they did was > > mock him. Lances article follows: > >I need advice: > > > >Yesterday I got a flyer from Loudon Motorsports, that > >included this ad for > >the GSX-R750 at MSRP $8349. They also had additional > >$500 savings from a > >"coupon" on the same page. I know they have a > >blue/white in stock. $7849? > >Sold! > > > >I went in today with the ad up and said, "I'll take > >one!". Apparently, > >neither Greg nor Eddie had yet seen the ad. They > >studied it for a few > >moments, then Greg said, "Obviously a mistake. We're > >not selling it for > >that." I bantered about advertised prices and such, > >and Greg countered that > >the $500 coupon was a great deal. I said I could get > >$500 off anywhere, and > >he claimed he'd lose $2500 if he sold it for $7849 > >(??). He made no counter > >offers, so I said I'd go buy somewhere else. > > > >From what I've heard about Greg, I'm not surprised. > >BUT, I want the bike > >for the advertised price. Is there a way to make him > >honour the ad? Can I > >pressure him into it some way? Am I being > >unreasonable? > > > >If I can't get the bike for this price, I want to > >share this story with all > >bikers out there, as well as all other Suzuki > > dealers. > I'm pissed off. > > >Comments? > > > >lance > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:39:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBEdCD10771 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBBEd9I2737615 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:39:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A34E70B.13234B0F@radix.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:39:07 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > What they did was clearly illegal. He could file against them and get the > bike for the advertised price. They are responsible for any ads they put > out, and will be forced to sell it at that price if he demands it. How ? I've never purchased a bike new, but have heard of this from several different places. It would seem to me that they could simply say 'we've opted not to sell this bike' ... couldn't they ? happens with cages too. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:42:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBEg2D10848 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBBEi5118427; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:44:05 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:44:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121109440501.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Troutman wrote: > What they did was clearly illegal. He could file against them and get the > bike for the advertised price. They are responsible for any ads they put > out, and will be forced to sell it at that price if he demands it. They don't have to honor a misprint. If the ad states "MSRP $8349", it's a misprint as that is not the MSRP of the bike according to Suzuki (regardless of intent - check out my more detailed reply as to the ethics question of the ad). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:51:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBBEpMD11021 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:51:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001211145113.16623.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:51:13 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:51:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Back issues of MCNews? To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii well, i've been able to locate the feb/mar/apr issues. you'll have to find the jan issue elsewhere. i live in potomac, md; i work downtown at conn. ave. & k street; i have them with me --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i'll verify that i have all of these and write back soon > > --- Matthew Patton wrote: > > I've only recently subscribed and would like the chance > > to read the Jan/Feb/March/April issues of MC Consumer > > News. Anyone here willing to lend me your copies for a > > few weeks? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:53:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBErJD11033 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-217-126.s126.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.126] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 145UKJ-00069G-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:53:16 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c06381$442859c0$7ed93ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001211140601.4053.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:46:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 If it's a honest mistake or typographical error, there is no obligation to sell it to you at that price. The problem is distinguishing between a mistake and a blatant "bait and switch." Not to give a blanket defense in the face of a potentially sleazy dealer tactic, but the fact that the MSRP (something that's very easy to verify, as opposed to say the dealer's cost) was so far off suggests that it was a mistake. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart > > >Yesterday I got a flyer from Loudon Motorsports, that > >included this ad for > >the GSX-R750 at MSRP $8349. They also had additional > >$500 savings from a > >"coupon" on the same page. I know they have a > >blue/white in stock. $7849? > >Sold! > > >I went in today with the ad up and said, "I'll take > >one!". Apparently, > >neither Greg nor Eddie had yet seen the ad. They > >studied it for a few > >moments, then Greg said, "Obviously a mistake. We're > >not selling it for > >that." From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:55:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBEtbD11047 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBBEvf118467; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:57:41 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:57:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@mail.troutman.org> <3A34E70B.13234B0F@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <3A34E70B.13234B0F@radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121109574103.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Dave Yates wrote: > How ? I've never purchased a bike new, but have heard of this from > several different places. It would seem to me that they could simply > say 'we've opted not to sell this bike' ... couldn't they ? > happens with cages too. Car dealers, in their never ending quest to screw people, learned long ago how to get around this with fine print. If you look closely at any deep-discount car ad, you'll find some small print that says "limited availability of pricing on specific models". Effectivly, they'll sell ONE car at that price...maybe two (the ones with no options and no A/C, or the pink one thats been sitting on the lot for 3 months), and try to rope the rest of the people that show up into a more expensive car. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:58:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBEw1D11121 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27314 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:57:54 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211095101.02b05c50@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:57:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) In-Reply-To: <3A34E70B.13234B0F@radix.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dave Yates wrote: > How ? I've never purchased a bike new, but have heard of this from >several different places. It would seem to me that they could simply >say 'we've opted not to sell this bike' ... couldn't they ? > happens with cages too. Roach wrote: >They don't have to honor a misprint. If the ad states "MSRP $8349", it's a >misprint as that is not the MSRP of the bike according to Suzuki (regardless >of intent - check out my more detailed reply as to the ethics question of the >ad). Would this not fall under the classic bait and switch definition? http://www.la.bbb.org/topic016.html The only difference being that they list the MSRP of the bike, not a selling price. This may also be deemed a successful tactic for B&S. Generally, a price that is too good to be true - is just that. Unfortunately for LMS, they can be held to that price under the law. It doesn't really matter if they intended it or not, they have the responsibility to check their ads. Many people have won these court cases. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Voters decide nothing. Vote counters decide everything!" - Joseph Stalin From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:03:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBF3QD11224 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-44.patriot.net [209.249.181.44]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBBF3Kx27416; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3A34EBDA.F6D57BE@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:59:38 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@mail.troutman.org> <3A34E70B.13234B0F@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Troutman wrote: > How ? I've never purchased a bike new, but have heard of this from > several different places. It would seem to me that they could simply > say 'we've opted not to sell this bike' ... couldn't they ? > happens with cages too. > Hmmm... not really. A misprint is an obvious out, especially if it's not the dealers fault. Opting not to sell the bike/cage at an advertised price is bad doo-doo and can get the dealer whacked by the law. So can "bait-n-switch" tactics, illegal. If you read the fine print on cage ads they usually specify a cheap car's inventory number, so when you arrive with checkbook in hand the salescrook can shrug and say, "Sorry, sold that one, but we have ...." Motor vehicle salesman are licensed by the Commonwealth of Virginia, so you do have some clout when dealing with a sleazy salesperson. Perhaps just asking to see their license would inject a bit of honesty into the deal. Bill - formerly licensed MV salesperson. A virgin, I never screwed anybody :-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:05:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBBF5jD11301 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 26534 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 07:05:37 -0800 Date: 11 Dec 2000 07:05:37 -0800 Message-ID: <20001211150537.26533.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Dec 2000 15:05:37 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Dec 2000 07:05:37 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) If the ad states "MSRP $8349", it's a > misprint AHHH, the prime example as why to have editors...and in the advertising world, if that's what the ad says...that's what they have to sell it for...I'm sure there is some rule somewhere, but that's what I've always known the rule to be. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:16:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBFGtD11455 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBBFJ2118569 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:19:02 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:19:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@mail.troutman.org> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211095101.02b05c50@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211095101.02b05c50@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121110190205.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You would have a hard time proving this one in court if indeed their intent was to bait and switch. Because the MSRP is widely available from a number of sources, they can easily defend that it is a misprint unless some other compelling evidence can be introduced to the contrary. I have no doubt they could also prove that the person in question already knew the MSRP since he was in the market to buy the bike in question, which would make the case even harder to win. If the person knows the ad is a misprint, because the actual MSRP is known to them, the seller has effectivly done no wrong. The person in question only came to the shop to try and get a price that he knew was incorrect in the first place. I'n not saying this was or wasn't a bait and switch... merely pointing out that they are pretty safe from a legal standpoint. - Roach On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Troutman wrote: > Would this not fall under the classic bait and switch definition? > > http://www.la.bbb.org/topic016.html > > The only difference being that they list the MSRP of the bike, not a > selling price. This may also be deemed a successful tactic for B&S. > > Generally, a price that is too good to be true - is just > that. Unfortunately for LMS, they can be held to that price under the > law. It doesn't really matter if they intended it or not, they have the > responsibility to check their ads. Many people have won these court cases. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:26:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBFQYD11536 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user194.anent.com [208.195.115.194] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07647 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:26:05 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c06386$479fdb00$c273c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20001211140601.4053.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> <003901c06381$442859c0$7ed93ad0@palladio> Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:23:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 There's more to it than just the "misprint". I have talked to Lance about this and he even went back to see if he could strike a reasonable deal after the fact, even without the ad. Greg and Eddie (salesman) then became condescending and belligerent towards Lance. Challenging whether he should buy a bike like this. "Are you sure this bike isn't too much for you?" "This bike is for racers, it's too much for you." and just being generally rude and shitty. Telling him things like "We'll lose money on this deal." At no point did they try to make a deal happen. No counter offers were made. No other bikes were suggested. They just acted like they didn't even want the sale. I've sent more than half a dozen of my friends to Loudoun and only ONE of them has come out with a good deal. EVERY other one has a story about how they were lied to or the price was one thing one day and then different another day. This may or not be the case, however, customers are leaving with the PERCEPTION that Loudoun Motorsports is not dealing in good faith. Loudoun Motorsports is rapidly losing any good word of mouth advertising they may have gained in the past. Beware. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" > If it's a honest mistake or typographical error, there is no obligation to > sell it to you at that price. The problem is distinguishing between a > mistake and a blatant "bait and switch." Not to give a blanket defense in > the face of a potentially sleazy dealer tactic, but the fact that the MSRP > (something that's very easy to verify, as opposed to say the dealer's cost) > was so far off suggests that it was a mistake. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:27:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBFRBD11610 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27480 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:27:04 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211102157.02098d70@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:27:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) In-Reply-To: <00121110190205.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211095101.02b05c50@mail.troutman.org> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@XXXXXX> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211095101.02b05c50@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:19 AM 12/11/00, Brian Roach wrote: >I'n not saying this was or wasn't a bait and switch... merely pointing out >that they are pretty safe from a legal standpoint. Heh. I actually doubt it was a bait and switch, but I am 180 degrees from you on who would win the case if it went to trial. I'm no lawyer though. MSRP on the 750 is $9449, $1100 more than the advertised MSRP. I didn't know that. I had no idea what they were going for. I had to go look it up to see. And along the way I found this : http://216.46.241.4/advertising/adcode.asp The BBB Code of Advertising. Couldn't actually locate Virginia law on the subject. Need more time. And more interest in the matter. When it comes down to it, I like to see local bike shops do well, and I would like to see more of them. LMS has had a hard enough time this year without eating all of their profits on something like this. Greg should have worked with the first customer to walk in with that ad. Given him a great deal or something. By not doing so - look what is happening.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Voters decide nothing. Vote counters decide everything!" - Joseph Stalin From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:43:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBFh8D11864 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjtcw00553 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:43:06 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjtcw07133 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:42:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211102157.02098d70@mail.troutman.org> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211095101.02b05c50@mail.troutman.org> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211092838.01afd290@XXXXXX> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211095101.02b05c50@XXXXXX> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211102157.02098d70@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:42:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Another theory: (though unlikely) Someone said Greg had never seen the ad...maybe LMS didn't print & distribute the ad. What if someone created a false add to get LMS into trouble. After all, someone did try and burn them down. Also, I don't think Greg would try anything funny. My understanding is that he was a lawyer in a past life. (Word of mouth, he also has a law degree hanging in his office.) I kind of like the sabotage-through-advertising idea. It's much more fun than a typo. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 11:17:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBBGH6D12384 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:17:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001211161653.10241.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:16:53 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:16:53 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Someone sure went to an expense if that's the case (which I doubt). The ad is very professional on glossy card board type paper. Also, where would they get his mailing list? One would think that someone living inside the Beltway such as myself may not be inclined to buy a MC from a dealer way out in Leesburg... Glenn --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Another theory: (though unlikely) Someone said Greg > had never seen > the ad...maybe LMS didn't print & distribute the ad. > What if someone > created a false add to get LMS into trouble. After > all, someone did > try and burn them down. Also, I don't think Greg > would try anything > funny. My understanding is that he was a lawyer in a > past life. (Word > of mouth, he also has a law degree hanging in his > office.) I kind of > like the sabotage-through-advertising idea. It's > much more fun than a > typo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 11:23:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBGNfD12491 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 145ViC-0007bR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:22:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:23:23 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jay Leno's Jet! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A short article on Jay Leno's turbine powered Y2K bike. Pretty cool. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- Great article on Jay's jet bike http://labiker.com/features/rockstore101500/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 12:24:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBHOrD13340 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.a6.d3c8731 (15859) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:24:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:24:32 EST From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jay Leno's Jet! (fwd) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Having most recently come from LALA land, I appreciate your sharing of this story Hugh. I have met Jay Leno at The Rock Store when he rode his less noisy but probably more leaky Norton. I have many fond memories of riding Mullholland an around Malibu (all except one in which I crashed my beloved F3) and miss places like The Rock Store A LOT. I'm actually wishing I was there right now instead of in this damn cold and snow, but such is fate I guess. :o) Anyway, thanks again for sharing the story Hugh. *I* appreciated it. :o) Jess (formerly HondaF4Lover) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 12:42:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBHgbD13653 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001211174234.QNF10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:42:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3A3511D5.16792871@home.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:41:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Concours Owners Group Subject: now *these* are saddlebags... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.jesseluggage.com/Questions_about_new_luggage.htm I wish Kawasaki would go to something like this... :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (her's too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G - (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 13:07:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBBI75D14025 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:07:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001211180658.25968.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:06:58 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 09:06 AM 12/11/00, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >I want to add that what's listed below, I also > >received the same flyer just this past Saturday and > >can conform what is says. > > What they did was clearly illegal. He could file against > them and get the bike for the advertised price. They are > responsible for any ads they put out, and will be forced > to sell it at that price if he demands it. WRONG! first of all, advertisements are not offers (except in very rare circumstances, e.g., 'first come, first served' offers), but merely invitations to enter the bargaining process. secondly, even if an ad is considered an offer by a court, if the MSRP listed was indeed a misprint, no contract can be formed by acceptance of such an 'offer.' i'm not defending loudon motorsports here....but you gotta use the existing law to your advantage here rather than simply creating your own. -- tg (merely stating my opinions, as usual) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 13:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBIBTD14052 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBBIBRI2865637 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:11:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3518CC.237D5594@radix.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:11:24 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) References: <20001211180658.25968.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: ... > WRONG! > > first of all, advertisements are not offers (except in very > rare circumstances, e.g., 'first come, first served' > offers), but merely invitations to enter the bargaining > process. ... > i'm not defending loudon motorsports here....but you gotta > use the existing law to your advantage here rather than > simply creating your own. > > -- > tg (merely stating my opinions, as usual) And on topic opinions at that :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 13:12:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBICUD14126 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:12:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bad email address To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:12:10 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 12/11/2000 01:12:15 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey I tried to submit some info to the website using the link from the member info page. I got a delivery failure report, does anyone know the correct email address I should send member info too. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 13:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBIWiD14436 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28296 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:32:37 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211132149.020c5b20@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:32:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) In-Reply-To: <3A3518CC.237D5594@radix.net> References: <20001211180658.25968.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom Gimer spoke unto us: > > WRONG! first of all, advertisements are not offers (except in very > > rare circumstances, e.g., 'first come, first served' > > offers), but merely invitations to enter the bargaining > > process. ... How would you explain the typical bait and switch scenario if advertised pricing can not be enforced? Ignoring the LMS case individually, applied to commerce as a whole. Does the seller not have to take some responsibility for his actions in advertising? I believe he does. If I had received the ad, there is no way I would have known that the MSRP is $1100 more than in the ad. Suspicious perhaps ... For future reference, my opinions can't be wrong. Unless I state them as fact, which I may or may not have done. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 13:50:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBIotD14714 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBBIr2119427 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:53:03 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:53:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20001211140601.4053.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> <003901c06381$442859c0$7ed93ad0@palladio> <003b01c06386$479fdb00$c273c3d0@bruce> In-Reply-To: <003b01c06386$479fdb00$c273c3d0@bruce> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121113530208.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Which goes back to my original point - I don't think there's a dealer in this area that really cares about going the extra mile when it comes to selling new bikes. They don't have to. This doesn't meant they shouldn't... and it relflects a VERY short-sighted approach to business, but it definatly seems to be the case. caveat: Yes, I often recommend Cycle Sport in Springfield as being a great dealer - and it does seem many people concur, but I don't know how they are if you're Joe Shmoe walking in off the street to buy a new bike. As I said, I have a long standing relationship with CycleSport, and at the time I purchased my first new bike I had a good relationship which probably affected how they dealt with me. I hope they treat new customers well, as I like them, but without witnessing it or hearing a first-hand account, I can't say. If I were buying a new bike today, and did not have the aforementioned relationship with a local dealer, I think I'd go somewhere outside of the area. The reason for this is because of what I stated in my first post - the market in this area is not conducive for getting a "deal". The average person in this area will pay full MSRP, or take a couple hundred bucks off and go their merry way. Historically, this has ALWAYS been the case in this area. Look at how long Coleman Powersport has been in business. I always have commented that it seemed like they were is business to sell everyone ONE bike, because they would get few return customers. Going to an area where demand doesn't actually outstrip supply (look at the R1 and R6 the last couple years - local dealers had pre-orders for every bike that was coming from Yamaha) is gauranteed to get you a better deal, and probably better treatment, because you actually *matter* to them. - Roach On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bruce Norton wrote: > There's more to it than just the "misprint". I have talked to Lance about > this and he even went back to see if he could strike a reasonable deal > after the fact, even without the ad. Greg and Eddie (salesman) then became > condescending and belligerent towards Lance. Challenging whether he should > buy a bike like this. "Are you sure this bike isn't too much for you?" > "This bike is for racers, it's too much for you." and just being generally > rude and shitty. Telling him things like "We'll lose money on this deal." > At no point did they try to make a deal happen. No counter offers were > made. No other bikes were suggested. They just acted like they didn't even > want the sale. > > I've sent more than half a dozen of my friends to Loudoun and only ONE of > them has come out with a good deal. EVERY other one has a story about how > they were lied to or the price was one thing one day and then different > another day. This may or not be the case, however, customers are leaving > with the PERCEPTION that Loudoun Motorsports is not dealing in good faith. > > Loudoun Motorsports is rapidly losing any good word of mouth advertising > they may have gained in the past. Beware. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 14:06:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBJ6lD14969 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:06:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Got this off a message board LONG To: Valvarez@XXXXXX, aamiri@XXXXXX, corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, Bdavid@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX, DShen%/o=IMF/ou=AMEXIMF/cn=Recipients/cn=AMX_ODSHEN%EX%IMF@XXXXXX, gfowler@XXXXXX, Jay Goddard , lisa , Imwitstpd@XXXXXX, ameriangel@XXXXXX, rmalloy@XXXXXX, Ymoges@XXXXXX, Pplatteborse@XXXXXX, cls@XXXXXX, raychelm@XXXXXX, rsv1000-owner@XXXXXX, Tsaurman@XXXXXX, ysung@XXXXXX, SVADAS4@XXXXXX, Claire0758@XXXXXX, Mike Tranchemontagne , Scott Tranchemontagne , Yyoon1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:05:57 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 12/11/2000 02:06:33 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, I found this on a message board and thought some of you might like it. I am not sure if it true but I hope so. If you got this by mistake or are offended by it I apologize. Here is the link to the page if you want to see the replies to the posting http://www.sportbikes.net/ubb/noncgi/Forum15/HTML/002386.html TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional. Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward ! was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you g! et radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans when in Trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!! James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 14:08:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBBJ8FD14989 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:08:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001211190808.21297.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:08:08 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:08:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) To: LAURA GRANATO , roach@XXXXXX Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > >If the ad states "MSRP $8349", it's a misprint > > AHHH, the prime example as why to have editors...and in > the advertising world, if that's what the ad > says...that's what they have to sell it for...I'm sure > there is some rule somewhere, but that's what I've always > known the rule to be. the uniform commercial code (in whatever form it has been adopted in va.) controls here. and, i don't read that body of law as stating any such rule. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 14:11:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBJBID15002 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBBJDM119459; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:13:22 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:13:22 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20001211180658.25968.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211132149.020c5b20@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001211132149.020c5b20@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121114132209.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Troutman wrote: > How would you explain the typical bait and switch scenario if advertised > pricing can not be enforced? Ignoring the LMS case individually, applied > to commerce as a whole. Does the seller not have to take some > responsibility for his actions in advertising? I believe he does. If I > had received the ad, there is no way I would have known that the MSRP is > $1100 more than in the ad. Suspicious perhaps ... A "Bait and switch" is defined by the FTC as advertising a product which you do not have or of which you do not have a reasonable supply, then attempting to sell a different product to the customer. The fraud is based on luring a customer to the store with an item (the "bait") then selling them something else (the "switch"). This whole thing would actually fall into the basic "false advertising" class. Advertising something for X amount of money, then refusing to honor that price. This IS illegal, but all of the consumer protection acts state that the seller does not have to honor a "honest misprint or typographical error". This is one of those ambiguous areas - how do you prove or disprove that it was an "honest misprint" and not false advertising? This is where you'd have to take it to court, and see what a judge had to say about the matter. IMHO, you'd lose... UNLESS A) There was a history of this dealer making many "Honest Misprints", or B) some other evidence was introduced - such as an employee whistleblower's testimony, internal memo, etc. Without either of these two things, there is no way to disprove it was not an "honest misprint". Aside from that fact... I think you're being naive in regard to someone not knowing what the MSRP is. You didn't - I'll give you that - I didn't either and had to look it up on the Suzuki website. However, neither of us were interested in buying a 2001 Suzuki GSXR750 in the first place. Anyone who was thinking about one DOES know the MSRP. They're read the reviews in the mags, they're drooled over the pics on the website - they know the MSRP. And if they don't... I have a very nice bridge I'll sell them for a low low price :) Anyone with common sense would find out what the MSRP is the day they became interested in the bike. How else would then know if it was even in their price range? How would they know if the price a dealer is offering is good or bad? And if the answer is an assumption... well, we all know what assumptions do ;). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 14:17:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBJHnD15161 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBBJHiI1050325 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:17:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A352855.AD65A462@radix.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:17:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) References: <20001211140601.4053.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> <003901c06381$442859c0$7ed93ad0@palladio> <003b01c06386$479fdb00$c273c3d0@bruce> <00121113530208.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > > Which goes back to my original point - I don't think there's a dealer in this > area that really cares about going the extra mile when it comes to selling > new bikes. They don't have to. This doesn't meant they shouldn't... and it > relflects a VERY short-sighted approach to business, but it definatly seems > to be the case. Network. You do it at work, you hear 'hey, so & so's bike is the $hit, (s)he'll get you going fast' or 'such & such can fix any problem with any bike'... etc. Word of mouth goes a long way. It pays huge dividends to have a good relationship with at least 1 person in one shop around here. Not necessarily a dealer, but it helps. If you don't have an 'in' with a dealer, start asking around until you get a couple of solid word of mouth referrals. > caveat: Yes, I often recommend Cycle Sport in Springfield as being a great > dealer - and it does seem many people concur, but I don't know how they are > if you're Joe Shmoe walking in off the street to buy a new bike. As I said, I > have a long standing relationship with CycleSport, and at the time I > purchased my first new bike I had a good relationship which probably affected > how they dealt with me. I hope they treat new customers well, as I like them, > but without witnessing it or hearing a first-hand account, I can't say. There's the rub. You've got to drop some dough to save it later on. Once they know you're a loyal, money paying customer, they're more willing to cut you a break. I've been getting work on my bike done at Fast Lane for at least 5 years now. I've dropped quite a bit of money there - and they've done very good work for me and stood behind it. I've gotten quite a few favors granted, special requests honored, discounts and I can always call for help (if someone's there :-) ) it's probably a little unfair to joe schmo off the street, but I've invested my customer loyalty in return for that kind of shop loyalty. > > If I were buying a new bike today, and did not have the aforementioned > relationship with a local dealer, I think I'd go somewhere outside of the > area. That might not be a bad idea, but the same supply & demand rules mean that a lot of the rural places won't have the 'hot bike for the year' on the floor... I'd seek a word of mouth recommendation 1st, but I'd certainly consider going rural... > The reason for this is because of what I stated in my first post - the > market in this area is not conducive for getting a "deal". The average person > in this area will pay full MSRP, or take a couple hundred bucks off and go > their merry way. Historically, this has ALWAYS been the case in this area. > Look at how long Coleman Powersport has been in business. I always have > commented that it seemed like they were is business to sell everyone ONE > bike, because they would get few return customers. > > Going to an area where demand doesn't actually outstrip supply (look at the > R1 and R6 the last couple years - local dealers had pre-orders for every bike > that was coming from Yamaha) is gauranteed to get you a better deal, and > probably better treatment, because you actually *matter* to them. You may matter more, but if they're only allocated 1 or 2 bikes of a particular kind, they're going to need to make more money on it (them). Service is a consideration as well, warranty and or regular maintenance - if you've got to pay more for a good (home) service department, that's a valid 'trade off' I think. Sometimes, the cheapest price isn't always the best deal... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 14:26:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBJQeD15254 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:26:08 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000121111263703114 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:26:37 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-162.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.162]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:25:42 -0500 Message-Id: <3A352A16.2E8B7856@trw.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:25:10 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) References: <20001211180658.25968.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211132149.020c5b20@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > For future reference, my opinions can't be wrong. Unless I state them as > fact, which I may or may not have done. At this juncture, for the record, I would like to state the my opinions ARE fact and, by definition, cannot be wrong either. Thank you. Brian Roach wrote: Anyone whowas thinking about (buying) one (a GSXR-750) DOES know the MSRP. They're read the reviews in themags, they're drooled over the pics on the website - they know the MSRP. Weeellll, maybe and maybe not. I worked briefly as a salesman for Coleman Powersport in the spring of '95. It was then and is still my only experience in the world of retail. I was continually amazed at the number of people who walked in looking to buy a specific model w/ not the slightest idea of what that bike was supposed to cost. It is a corollary to the whole "Assumption" thing that one should never assume intelligence. Anyway, I agree with most of what you are saying except that people are generally smart; they aren't. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 14:33:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBJWxD15408 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBBJYt119483; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:34:55 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Randy Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:34:54 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20001211180658.25968.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20001211132149.020c5b20@mail.troutman.org> <3A352A16.2E8B7856@trw.com> In-Reply-To: <3A352A16.2E8B7856@trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012111434540A.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > Anyway, I agree with most of what you are saying except that people are > generally smart; they aren't. What's that old saying then? A fool and his money are soon parted? :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 14:49:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net [38.9.152.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBJnOD15667 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 145Ywr-0003hQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:49:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:51 -0500 From: "Tuan Diep" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: British bike magazines Message-ID: <20001211144742150-158c658@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone subscribe to British mags like Bike, Superbike, and Ride? I'm thinking of signing up but don't know how the USPS handles them or what conditon I can expect to get them in. Please let me know if you have any experience with these titles. Also, do you know of a good place to find them without having to go to multiple Borders and B&N's? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 15:25:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBKOxD16194 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.e0.d74624f (24899); Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:24:40 EST Subject: Re: Got this off a message board LONG To: jitabashi@XXXXXX, Valvarez@XXXXXX, aamiri@XXXXXX, corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, Bdavid@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX, DShen%/o=IMF/ou=AMEXIMF/cn=Recipients/cn=AMX_ODSHEN%EX%IMF@XXXXXX, gfowler@XXXXXX, redbelly@XXXXXX, lgoddard@XXXXXX, Imwitstpd@XXXXXX, AmeriAngel@XXXXXX, rmalloy@XXXXXX, Ymoges@XXXXXX, Pplatteborse@XXXXXX, cls@XXXXXX, RaychelM@XXXXXX, rsv1000-owner@XXXXXX, Tsaurman@XXXXXX, ysung@XXXXXX, SVADAS4@XXXXXX, Claire0758@XXXXXX, MikeT@XXXXXX, scott@XXXXXX, Yyoon1@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 In a message dated 12/11/00 2:08:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, jitabashi@XXXXXX writes: > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > Yes, he said this, but he said it about 30 years ago. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 15:38:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mail.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBKctD16426 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id a.b3.4657ad2 (24899); Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:37:35 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:37:35 EST Subject: Re: British bike magazines To: Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 In a message dated 12/11/00 2:50:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX writes: > Does anyone subscribe to British mags like Bike, Superbike, and Ride? I've been getting Ride for about a year. Order thru the US distributor at: Motorsport 550 Honey Locust Rd. Jonesburg, MO 63351-9600 Cost for Ride is $54 per year and the others are probably the same. The magazine comes in a Manilla mailing envelope, so the USPS has only managed to mangle one so far. The usually show up about a week after they hit the newsstand. January issue will arrive in the first 10 days or so of Jan. This might be the phone # if you'd rather call than just send $ - (636) 488-3113. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 15:44:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBKiGD16523 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjtdq08413 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:44:13 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjtdq29660 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:44:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:44:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Got this off a On Gordon Sinclair Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1235555049==_ma============" --============_-1235555049==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Gordon Sinclair's greatest achievement was his CFRB LET'S BE PERSONAL broadcast of June 5, 1973 - a broadcast which echoed around the world and which history will record as one of the most respected tributes from Canada to the people of the United States of America. The United States had just pulled out of the Vietnamese War which ended in a stalemate - a war fought daily on TV, over radio andin the press. The war had divided the American people, and at home and abroad it seemed everyone was lambasting the United States. Outraged by what he saw and heard that morning, in his noon-hour broadcast Sinclair rose to the defense of the American people- and his voice was heard around the world - and as no Canadian had before - or since. For weeks afterwards, his words were repeated over and over again from thousands of radio stations - were read into the U. S. Congressional Records several times and, at theinsistence of the American people, recorded for their keeping for posterity. The phenomenon of Gordon Sinclair's "The Americans"is recounted under "News" in the general Directory - Unique Stories. Gordon Sinclair received many honours and awards from governors of several U.S. states, including being made an honourary citizen of North Carolina. -- Sean Jordan Macintosh Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 UUNET Technologies, Inc. --============_-1235555049==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Got this off a On Gordon Sinclair
Gordon Sinclair's greatest achievement was his CFRB LET'S BE PERSONAL broadcast of June 5, 1973 - a broadcast which echoed around the world and which history will record as one of the most respected tributes from Canada to the people of the United States of America.

The United States had just pulled out of the Vietnamese War which ended in a stalemate - a war fought daily on TV, over radio andin the press. The war had divided the American people, and at home and abroad it seemed everyone was lambasting the United States. Outraged by what he saw and heard that morning, in his noon-hour broadcast Sinclair rose to the defense of the American people- and his voice was heard around the world - and as no Canadian had before - or since. For weeks afterwards, his words were repeated over and over again from thousands of radio stations - were read into the U. S. Congressional Records several times and, at theinsistence of the American people, recorded for their keeping for posterity.

The phenomenon of Gordon Sinclair's "The Americans"is recounted under "News" in the general Directory - Unique Stories.

Gordon Sinclair received many honours and awards from governors of several U.S. states, including being made an honourary citizen of North Carolina.

--
Sean Jordan
Macintosh Systems Analyst
(703)-886-7661
UUNET Technologies, Inc.
--============_-1235555049==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 16:02:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBL2fD16820 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:02:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Got this off a message board LONG To: FGrefe@XXXXXX Cc: aamiri@XXXXXX, AmeriAngel@XXXXXX, Bdavid@XXXXXX, Claire0758@XXXXXX, cls@XXXXXX, corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX, gfowler@XXXXXX, Imwitstpd@XXXXXX, lgoddard@XXXXXX, MikeT@XXXXXX, Pplatteborse@XXXXXX, RaychelM@XXXXXX, Recipients/AMEXIMF/IMF@XXXXXX, redbelly@XXXXXX, rmalloy@XXXXXX, rsv1000-owner@XXXXXX, scott@XXXXXX, SVADAS4@XXXXXX, Tsaurman@XXXXXX, Valvarez@XXXXXX, Ymoges@XXXXXX, ysung@XXXXXX, Yyoon1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:00:43 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 12/11/2000 04:02:27 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I didn't say it was new. It was just a reminder during all this international bashing we are getting for the Presidential Elections. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX FGrefe@XXXXXX To: Jitabashi@XXXXXX, Valvarez@XXXXXX, Aamiri@XXXXXX, 12/11/2000 Corbettk1200Rs@XXXXXX, Bdavid@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX, 03:24 PM Dshen%/Ameximf/Recipients/Amx_Odshen%Ex%Imf/Imf@XXXXXX, Gfowler@XXXXXX, Redbelly@XXXXXX, Lgoddard@XXXXXX, Imwitstpd@XXXXXX, Ameriangel@XXXXXX, Rmalloy@XXXXXX, Ymoges@XXXXXX, Pplatteborse@XXXXXX, Cls@XXXXXX, Raychelm@XXXXXX, Rsv1000-Owner@XXXXXX, Tsaurman@XXXXXX, Ysung@XXXXXX, Svadas4@XXXXXX, Claire0758@XXXXXX, Miket@XXXXXX, Scott@XXXXXX, Yyoon1@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Got this off a message board LONG In a message dated 12/11/00 2:08:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, jitabashi@XXXXXX writes: > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > Yes, he said this, but he said it about 30 years ago. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 16:33:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBLX9D17248 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.122] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A7F08210054; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:32:32 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Helmets - funny Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:32:26 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c063d3$015d12a0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hehehe...helmets... http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin?e&.intl=us&.flabel=fld3&.from=d&.pindex=1&s tart=1&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin%3fd%26.flabel=fld3%2 6.intl=us%26.src=ph From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 17:01:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBM1aD17727 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.c6.e656dd3 (3936) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:01:25 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:01:25 EST Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c6.e656dd3.2766a8b5_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 --part1_c6.e656dd3.2766a8b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit roach@XXXXXX writes: > If I were buying a new bike today, and did not have the aforementioned > relationship with a local dealer, I think I'd go somewhere outside of the > I think that Valley Cycle in Winchester, VA is an EXCELLENT dealer. If anyone would like me to send them to the right people there let me know. I have sent 7 people there and all agreed it was excellent. Just my opinion... :) Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA --part1_c6.e656dd3.2766a8b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit roach@XXXXXX writes:


If I were buying a new bike today, and did not have the aforementioned
relationship with a local dealer, I think I'd go somewhere outside of the
area.


I think that Valley Cycle in Winchester, VA is an EXCELLENT dealer. If anyone
would like me to send them to the right people there let me know. I have sent
7 people there and all agreed it was excellent.
Just my opinion...  :)
Steve Broadstreet
Winchester, VA --part1_c6.e656dd3.2766a8b5_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 17:05:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBBM5JD17804 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:05:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001211220451.19663.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:04:51 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Troutman wrote: > > > What they did was clearly illegal. He could file > > against them and get the bike for the advertised > > price. They are responsible for any ads they put > > out, and will be forced to sell it at that price if he > > demands it. > > How ? I've never purchased a bike new, but have heard > of this from several different places. It would seem to > me that they could simply say 'we've opted not to sell > this bike' ... couldn't they ? happens with cages > too. dave is right. this situation does NOT represent one in which a firm offer by LMS has been made (i've seen the flyer and coupon). advertisements are not offers; they are advertisements. it's just that simple. this is simply this author's opinion...yadda, yadda, yadda -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 17:08:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBM7wD17824 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBBMA6120319; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:10:06 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: SBave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:10:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012111710050B.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Heh... Steve... I consider Winchester to be "outside of the area" ::duck:: - Roach On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > > roach@XXXXXX writes: > > If I were buying a new bike today, and did not have the aforementioned > > relationship with a local dealer, I think I'd go somewhere outside of the > > I think that Valley Cycle in Winchester, VA is an EXCELLENT dealer. If > anyone would like me to send them to the right people there let me know. I > have sent 7 people there and all agreed it was excellent. > Just my opinion... :) > Steve Broadstreet > Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 17:10:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBMARD17837 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id m.32.db8843e (3936); Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:09:53 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <32.db8843e.2766aab1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:09:53 EST Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_32.db8843e.2766aab1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 --part1_32.db8843e.2766aab1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit roach@XXXXXX writes: > I consider Winchester to be "outside of the area" > > So do I :) But well worth it from what I read about the state of DC area dealers... Steve Broadstreet --part1_32.db8843e.2766aab1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit roach@XXXXXX writes:


I consider Winchester to be "outside of the area"


So do I  :)
But well worth it from what I read about the state of DC area dealers...

Steve Broadstreet
--part1_32.db8843e.2766aab1_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 19:02:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBC02pD19649 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 25579 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 16:02:43 -0800 Received: from 1Cust188.tnt10.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.39.89.188) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 16:02:43 -0800 X-Sent: 12 Dec 2000 00:02:43 GMT Message-ID: <007301c063cf$43dfe2a0$bc59273f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Web site update information Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:05:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi all: In order to make this process easier for Chris and I, I am going to start sending Chris information every weekend, which means if you want/need something on the site, send it to dccwebsite@XXXXXX by each Friday. I will send Chris all of the updates for the week, and when he has a chance, he will update the site. There has been a lot of confusion because we were bombed with a ton of new stuff, which is what happens when you build a new site. Once the majority of stuff is in updated, it should get a little bit easier for all of us. I know it's exciting and you want your stuff up on the site, but everyone, please be patient with us. We both have jobs and social lives to attend to, so it may take a little bit of time for the information to get up, but we promise you...it will get up. Keep sending us ideas and updates as this will help the site grow and become more personalized for us all. Thanks! LAG www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 21:36:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBC2aqD22001 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:36:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001212023631.22199.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.190] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:36:31 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Loudoun M/S (long)....FOLLOW UP To: Tom Gimer , LAURA GRANATO , roach@XXXXXX Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii to muddy the waters, i just caught the tail end of a dateline (nbc) feature concerning va. law on this subject. it sounds like va. law (and that of 2 other states) will hold a retailer responsible for a sign in a store which lists a price for an item. how that figures into the analysis of the bogus loudon motorsports flyer needs to be determined. there wasn't a sign on the gsxr750 on lms's showroom floor....but it's still pretty much on point. that'll teach me to just assume va. law. :( any va. attorneys: how do you reconcile the ucc and the line of va. cases which led to this dateline report? --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > >If the ad states "MSRP $8349", it's a misprint > > > > AHHH, the prime example as why to have editors...and in > > the advertising world, if that's what the ad > > says...that's what they have to sell it for...I'm sure > > there is some rule somewhere, but that's what I've > > always known the rule to be. > > the uniform commercial code (in whatever form it has been > adopted in va.) controls here. and, i don't read that > body of law as stating any such rule. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 21:58:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBC2wSD22290 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:58:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001212025811.26240.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.82.141] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:58:11 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:58:11 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Web site update information To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > please be patient with us. We both have jobs and > social lives to attend to, Social lives? Come on, you are supposed to live in a cave and spend 23 hours a day looking at the computer. The masses await the updates, you must keep them waiting. Besides, the weather really sucks lately, what else do you have to do. Todd PS, this from a guy who updates his website about once every other year. :) ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 22:50:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBC3ojD23134 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from therock (pool180-100.patriot.net [209.249.180.100]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11508 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:44:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01c063ee$c0a85f00$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: DCcycles Site Update: Calendar Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:51:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DCCYCLES SITE UPDATE http://www.dccycles.com I've now added an interactive calendar feature to the dccycles.com website. The old calendar was just a simple table that would have to be edited by me for every event. Since my reaction time to various update requests has been pretty slow (no heckling please), it seemed time to upgrade to something where the users themselves could add events, birthdays, etc. Try it out and feel free to enter motorcycle-related events that you know of. HTML tags should be accepted by the system, so you can bold, italic, etc. the stuff you enter. Please keep it within reason - everyone thinks that their event is the most important event of the year. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com Webmaster p.s. Please don't spam or otherwise abuse the calendar or guestbook. "Don't make me angry! You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!" - Bruce Banner From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 08:17:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCDHgD02690 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id IAA25534; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (4.1) id xma025383; Tue, 12 Dec 00 08:16:41 -0500 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:15:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:14:22 -0500 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , , Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBCDIID02691 I agree with Steve--Valley Cycle (Winchester) is well worth it! If anything, it is a nice drive to Winchester. I have sent many people with no complaints. Ten of them bought a bike, with seven of those bikes being a Ducati. I just wish that Valley Cycle still had the Ducati Dealership :( >>> 12/11/00 05:09PM >>> roach@XXXXXX writes: > I consider Winchester to be "outside of the area" > > So do I :) But well worth it from what I read about the state of DC area dealers... Steve Broadstreet From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 08:42:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCDgYD03087 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00703 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:45:54 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Loudoun M/S - you want good prices? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c06441$78d746c0$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 If it's good prices and being treated like a human, I urge you to also check out Romney Cycle. It's about 45 miles west of Winchester, and it's worth the drive. Now I realize it's a little out of the way if you need service, but I do all my own work. Kevin at Romney is a really nice person to deal with. I was looking at $9400 for a TLR at any dealer around here. I walked out the door with a new one for $8600. I'm not saying anything bad about Valley either. I know Jim the owner, and they get a S#@$T load of my parts business, but hey, $600 is a lot of scratch to save. I gave them the option to meet Romney Cycles price and $9200 was as low as they would go. It was a simple matter of money (a lot of money). I think Romney Cycle is Suzuki, Yamaha, and Kawasaki. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy La Follette [mailto:judy.lafollette@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:14 AM > To: SBave@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; roach@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) > > > I agree with Steve--Valley Cycle (Winchester) is well worth it! > If anything, it is a nice drive to Winchester. I have sent many > people with no complaints. Ten of them bought a bike, with seven > of those bikes being a Ducati. I just wish that Valley Cycle > still had the Ducati Dealership :( > > > >>> 12/11/00 05:09PM >>> > roach@XXXXXX writes: > > > > I consider Winchester to be "outside of the area" > > > > > So do I :) > But well worth it from what I read about the state of DC area dealers... > > Steve Broadstreet > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 09:13:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCEDbD03522 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-28.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.92]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03719; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:13:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A363294.61440A48@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:13:40 -0500 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: DCcycles Site Update: Calendar References: <000f01c063ee$c0a85f00$0100a8c0@therock> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Way cool! You go, Chris! %^) I just used the calendar feature. One point of clarification: If you want stuff to actually appear on the monthly calendar view, you have to enter it into the "heading" box when you "add any event". If you put stuff in the "description" box, it doesn't show on the monthly calendar but will show in a pop-up window when you click on a particular date. That said, Chris - I don't know if/how you edit out entries you don't want. e.g., I double entered the Philadelphia Intl MC Show for Jan 12th & 13th (i.e., it's on the montly calendar view and in the pop-up window). Probably only needs to be in the monthly calendar view. Chuck Chris Weaver wrote: > > DCCYCLES SITE UPDATE > http://www.dccycles.com > > I've now added an interactive calendar feature to the dccycles.com website. > The old calendar was just a simple table that would have to be edited by me > for every event. Since my reaction time to various update requests has been > pretty slow (no heckling please), it seemed time to upgrade to something > where the users themselves could add events, birthdays, etc. > > Try it out and feel free to enter motorcycle-related events that you know > of. HTML tags should be accepted by the system, so you can bold, italic, > etc. the stuff you enter. Please keep it within reason - everyone thinks > that their event is the most important event of the year. > > Cheers, > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000F > '89 YSR50 > www.dccycles.com Webmaster > > p.s. Please don't spam or otherwise abuse the calendar or guestbook. > "Don't make me angry! You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!" - Bruce Banner From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 09:25:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCEPTD03701 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.10.5fa7826 (15898) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from web31.aolmail.aol.com (web31.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.7]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:25:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:25:14 EST From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Loudoun M/S - you want good prices? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <10.5fa7826.27678f4a@aol.com> I have to agree with Gary on this one. On the few occasions I've been in the Romney Cycles shop, it has always been a pleasant experience. As far as I know they do carry, Suz's, Yam', and Kaw's (but no Honda's.....what's wrong with this guy? lol). The shop isn't all that pretty, but who cares when you get good service? Oh.....and it's also a pretty nice ride out there too. :o) Bonus! Jess In a message dated Tue, 12 Dec 2000 8:43:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Gary Foreman" writes: << If it's good prices and being treated like a human, I urge you to also check out Romney Cycle. It's about 45 miles west of Winchester, and it's worth the drive. Now I realize it's a little out of the way if you need service, but I do all my own work. Kevin at Romney is a really nice person to deal with. I was looking at $9400 for a TLR at any dealer around here. I walked out the door with a new one for $8600. I'm not saying anything bad about Valley either. I know Jim the owner, and they get a S#@$T load of my parts business, but hey, $600 is a lot of scratch to save. I gave them the option to meet Romney Cycles price and $9200 was as low as they would go. It was a simple matter of money (a lot of money). I think Romney Cycle is Suzuki, Yamaha, and Kawasaki. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy La Follette [mailto:judy.lafollette@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:14 AM > To: SBave@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; roach@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S (long) > > > I agree with Steve--Valley Cycle (Winchester) is well worth it! > If anything, it is a nice drive to Winchester. I have sent many > people with no complaints. Ten of them bought a bike, with seven > of those bikes being a Ducati. I just wish that Valley Cycle > still had the Ducati Dealership :( > > > >>> 12/11/00 05:09PM >>> > roach@XXXXXX writes: > > > > I consider Winchester to be "outside of the area" > > > > > So do I :) > But well worth it from what I read about the state of DC area dealers... > > Steve Broadstreet From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 09:41:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCEfoD03939 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13381; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:35:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Chuck Pena" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: DCcycles Site Update: Calendar Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:43:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3A363294.61440A48@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal I'm the only one who can go in and edit out the entries that are in error. Everyone can just let me know if/when any errors are entered and I can go in and take them out again. Chris Weaver www.dccycles.com Webmaster -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:14 AM To: Chris Weaver Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: DCcycles Site Update: Calendar Way cool! You go, Chris! %^) I just used the calendar feature. One point of clarification: If you want stuff to actually appear on the monthly calendar view, you have to enter it into the "heading" box when you "add any event". If you put stuff in the "description" box, it doesn't show on the monthly calendar but will show in a pop-up window when you click on a particular date. That said, Chris - I don't know if/how you edit out entries you don't want. e.g., I double entered the Philadelphia Intl MC Show for Jan 12th & 13th (i.e., it's on the montly calendar view and in the pop-up window). Probably only needs to be in the monthly calendar view. Chuck Chris Weaver wrote: > > DCCYCLES SITE UPDATE > http://www.dccycles.com > > I've now added an interactive calendar feature to the dccycles.com website. > The old calendar was just a simple table that would have to be edited by me > for every event. Since my reaction time to various update requests has been > pretty slow (no heckling please), it seemed time to upgrade to something > where the users themselves could add events, birthdays, etc. > > Try it out and feel free to enter motorcycle-related events that you know > of. HTML tags should be accepted by the system, so you can bold, italic, > etc. the stuff you enter. Please keep it within reason - everyone thinks > that their event is the most important event of the year. > > Cheers, > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000F > '89 YSR50 > www.dccycles.com Webmaster > > p.s. Please don't spam or otherwise abuse the calendar or guestbook. > "Don't make me angry! You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!" - Bruce Banner From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 09:47:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCEltD04082 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13491 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:41:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: DCcycles Site Update 12/12/00: Archive Search Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:49:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal DCCYCLES.COM WEBSITE UPDATE 12/12/2000 http://www.dccycles.com DCcycles.com has now added an archive search function for the mailing list. Now, you can enter in keywords and a search engine will sort through past postings to get to the ones you want. Please keep in mind that if you enter in a very common topic, it may take a few moments for the search engine to return results. The more specific and uncommon your request, the quicker it seems to be. I'm happy to get this part of the site up, since I think it can be the most useful tool on DCcycles.com. Please take a look. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com Webmaster p.s. I haven't made a button for the archive search yet, so you'll just have to click on the old-school link for now. :^) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 10:19:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCFJtD04549 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA28708 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:18:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3A36425D.C14FCE0C@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:21:02 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Reciprocating Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, Christopher, You took care of us, so we returned the favor. http://www.soc-usa.org/links_others.html T'wards the bottom of the page, listed under "Associations/ Clubs/ Groups" Thanks, Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 10:34:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mta02f.seamail.go.com (mta02f.seamail.go.com [204.202.140.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCFYjD04788 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from gomailjtp04 (jtp04.seamail.go.com [10.212.0.164]) by mta02.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with SMTP id <0G5G00IWCOLKAE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Arlington Subject: Advertised prices (was: Loundon M/S) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8184815.976635263996.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBCFZDD04789 A quick and dirty search of the VA statutes turns up the following: (This is not legal advice. Seek that from an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction. This information is available to the public.) **Criminal provisions** VA State Code M-' 18.2-217(a): Any person, firm, corporation or association who in any manner advertises or offers for sale to the public any merchandise, goods, commodity, service or thing with intent not to sell, or with intent not to sell at the price or upon the terms advertised or offered, shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. (A: very interesting, I had no idea that there were criminal (as opposed to civil) sanctions involved. Unfortunately, as B. Roach mentioned, intent is going to be hard to prove. Also, these charges would have to be prosecuted by the commonwealth, not by a citizen.) VA State Code M-' 18.2-221 Advertising new or used automobiles or trucks. Any person, firm, corporation or association engaged in selling new or used automobiles or trucks to the public shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor unless, in any printed advertisement or printed offer in which a price is stated, the following is included: (a) the make, year, and model of such automobile or truck; (b) if reference is made to items of optional equipment which are not included in the advertised price, the additional cost of each such items of optional equipment; and (c) if the manufacturer's suggested retail price is stated, whether such price is an F.O.B. factory or delivered price. (A: ?motorcycle applicability) **Civil provisions** M-' 46.2-1993.81 Regulated advertising practices for motorcycles. (A: see #12) For purposes of this chapter, a violation of the following regulated advertising practices shall be an unfair, deceptive, or misleading act or practice. 4. Terms, conditions, and disclaimers shall be stated clearly and conspicuously. An asterisk or other reference symbol may be used to point to a disclaimer or other information, but shall not be used as a means of contradicting or changing the meaning of an advertised statement. 5. The expiration date of an advertised sale shall be clearly and conspicuously disclosed. 6. The term "list price," "sticker price," or "suggested retail price" and similar terms, shall be used only in reference to the manufacturer's suggested retail price for new vehicles or the dealer's own usual and customary price for used vehicles. 7. Terms such as "at cost," "below cost," "$ off cost" shall not be used in advertisements because of the difficulty in determining a dealer's actual net cost at the time of the sale. Terms such as "invoice price," "$ over invoice," may be used, provided that the invoice referred to is the manufacturer's factory invoice or a bona fide bill of sale and the invoice or bill of sale is available for customer inspection. "Manufacturer's factory invoice" means that document supplied by the manufacturer to the dealer listing the manufacturer's charge to the dealer before any deduction for holdback, group advertising, factory incentives or rebates, or any governmental charges. 8. When the price or credit terms of a vehicle are advertised, the vehicle shall be fully identified as to year, make, and model. In addition, in advertisements placed by individual dealers and not line-make marketing groups, the advertised price or credit terms shall include all charges which the buyer must pay to the seller, except buyer-selected options, state and local fees and taxes, and manufacturer's or distributor's freight or destination charges, and a processing fee, if any. If a processing fee or freight or destination charges are not included in the advertised price, the amount of any such processing fee and freight or destination charge must be (i) clearly and conspicuously disclosed in not less than eight-point boldface type or (ii) not smaller than the largest typeface within the advertisement. If the processing fee is not included in the advertised price, the amount of the processing fee may be omitted from any advertisement in which the largest type size is less than eight-point typeface, so long as the dealer participates in a media-provided listing of processing fees and the dealer's advertisement includes an asterisk or other such notation to refer the reader to the listing of the fees. 9. Advertisements which set out a policy of matching or bettering competitors' prices shall not be used unless the terms of the offer are specific, verifiable and reasonable. 12. "Bait" advertising, in which an advertiser may have no intention to sell at the price or terms advertised, shall not be used. By way of example, but not by limitation: a. If a specific motorcycle is advertised, the seller shall be in possession of a reasonable supply of said motorcycles, and they shall be available at the advertised price. If the advertised motorcycle is available only in limited numbers or only by order, that shall be stated in the advertisement. For purposes of this subdivision, the listing of a motorcycle by stock number or vehicle identification number in the advertisement for a used motorcycle is one means of satisfactorily disclosing a limitation of availability. Stock numbers or vehicle identification numbers shall not be used in advertising a new motorcycle unless the advertisement clearly and conspicuously discloses that it relates to only one motorcycle; b. Advertising a motorcycle at a certain price, including "as low as" statements, but having available for sale only motorcycles equipped with dealer added cost "options" which increase the selling price, above the advertised price, shall also be considered "bait" advertising; c. If a lease payment is advertised, the fact that it is a lease arrangement shall be disclosed. M-' 59.1-200 Prohibited practices. A. The following fraudulent acts or practices committed by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction are hereby declared unlawful: 8. Advertising goods or services with intent not to sell them as advertised, or with intent not to sell at the price or upon the terms advertised. In any action brought under this subdivision, the refusal by any person, or any employee, agent, or servant thereof, to sell any goods or services advertised or offered for sale at the price or upon the terms advertised or offered, shall be prima facie evidence of a violation of this subdivision. This paragraph shall not apply when it is clearly and conspicuously stated in the advertisement or offer by which such goods or services are advertised or offered for sale, that the supplier or offeror has a limited quantity or amount of such goods or services for sale, and the supplier or offeror at the time of such advertisement or offer did in fact have or reasonably expected to have at least such quantity or amount for sale; -Aaron ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 13:04:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCI4DD07211 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 145tlG-0006YU-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:02:46 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:04:10 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NVFRC : My next bike (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Why bother with minivans of maxivans for that matter. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20001129/wl/imdf55982.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 13:21:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCILmD07509 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-213-112.s620.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.213.112] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 145u3b-0000bf-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <014601c06467$8d0380c0$92d93ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: NVFRC : My next bike (fwd) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:14:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have enough trouble getting one pillion to behave, let alone nine. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell > > Why bother with minivans of maxivans for that matter. > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20001129/wl/imdf55982.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 13:32:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCIWJD07661 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:32:13 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000121210324223519 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:32:42 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-162.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.162]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:31:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3A366F05.2D86F336@trw.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:31:34 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NVFRC : My next bike (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That guy thinks he's so cool..bet he can't wheelie it. Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Why bother with minivans of maxivans for that matter. > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20001129/wl/imdf55982.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 13:48:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1203.mail.yahoo.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBCImlD07913 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28991 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2000 19:50:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20001212195008.28990.qmail@web1203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:50:08 PST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NVFRC : My next bike (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow, I'd hate to have to oil the chain on that. Todd --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Why bother with minivans of maxivans for that matter. > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20001129/wl/imdf55982.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 14:41:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCJf6D08762 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:23:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: etrigan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NVFRC : My next bike (fwd) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:23:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Do you really think this thing can pull 111mph? Also, can you imagine more than even two passengers, with everyone wiggling in various directions as the driver tries to keep it upright? He should probably just convert this bike into a tuk tuk before someone gets hurt. Bests, Erik klr650 a15 -----Original Message----- From: E. Rittershausen [mailto:von_etrigan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 2:50 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NVFRC : My next bike (fwd) Wow, I'd hate to have to oil the chain on that. Todd --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Why bother with minivans of maxivans for that matter. > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20001129/wl/imdf55982.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 14:56:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCJuND09054 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from attglobal.net ([12.78.116.215]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001212195554.ZNZU25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:55:54 +0000 Message-ID: <3A36831B.9B485AA7@attglobal.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:57:15 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [ja] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: ja,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: NVFRC : My next bike (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, the frame better be strong enough... It's got Honda's logo on the screen, must be a CBR400R. Hope it's not a stolen bike from Japan... lot of cars and bikes get stolen and end up in these countries... Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Why bother with minivans of maxivans for that matter. > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20001129/wl/imdf55982.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Honda NT650 BMW R100R From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 15:29:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBCKT5D09617 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 21196 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 12:28:55 -0800 Date: 12 Dec 2000 12:28:55 -0800 Message-ID: <20001212202855.21195.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Dec 2000 20:28:55 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 12 Dec 2000 12:28:55 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: Re: NVFRC : My next bike (fwd) On Tue, 12 December 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > > That guy thinks he's so cool..bet he can't wheelie it. > Yea, but just imagine how many chicks he can fit on the back of that thing. ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 18:02:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCN2jD12013 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from attglobal.net ([12.78.178.193]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001212230238.BSYT25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:02:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3A36AEDF.9711BC2A@attglobal.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:03:59 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [ja] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: ja,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc cycles Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly or Baltimore? References: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> <00ac01c06129$c6045520$60d93ad0@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw an ad for International Motorcycle show in Baltimore on the same days as the one in Philly Jan 12-14. Is it a same show? I don't see any info for Baltimore in www.motorcycleshows.com web site. Does anyone know anything about this? -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Honda NT650 BMW R100R From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 18:37:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCNbGD12614 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-44-149.s149.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.44.149]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 145yyw-0003To-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:37:14 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loudoun M/S - you want good prices? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:37:42 -0800 Message-ID: References: <001301c06441$78d746c0$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> In-Reply-To: <001301c06441$78d746c0$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBCNciD12615 speaking of romney, earlier this year (or was it late last year?) a friend of mine bought "the new 2000 srad 750" for 8400 out the door.. he was on the waiting list... going price around here is still what? 9400 someone posted? Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 22:12:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBD3CFD16175 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from therock (pool180-186.patriot.net [209.249.180.186]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23719; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:06:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c064b2$83fb1380$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Shigeru Honda" , "dc cycles" References: <003201c06120$ae762540$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> <00ac01c06129$c6045520$60d93ad0@palladio> <3A36AEDF.9711BC2A@attglobal.net> Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly or Baltimore? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:12:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Shigeru, The show in Baltimore is a smaller, local show. It's not nearly as interesting or large as the ones in Philly or NY. I've been to both, and I don't feel that it's worth my time to go back to the Baltimore show. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Shigeru Honda To: dc cycles Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly or Baltimore? > I saw an ad for International Motorcycle show in Baltimore on the same > days as the one in Philly Jan 12-14. > > Is it a same show? > I don't see any info for Baltimore in www.motorcycleshows.com web site. > > Does anyone know anything about this? > > -- > __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ > Shigeru Honda > shonda3@XXXXXX > __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ > Honda NT650 > BMW R100R From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 06:28:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBDBS0D24615 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:28:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001213112753.25663.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.40] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:27:53 PST Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Advertised prices (was: Loundon M/S) To: Arlington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for providing these, aaron.... what is missing is the remedy for violations of the bait and switch provisions. and, what is evident is that there is an 'intent' standard even in the civil provisions, which a misprinted flyer would most likely fail to satisfy. note: my post regarding the dateline special (and va. law) does not solve this problem for lance (or lms). there was no 'advertised' price posted for the bike, either on the showroom floor or in the flyer. va. caselaw is the place to turn next. does any lawyer have a basic disclaimer handy for opinions they state in emails to lists such as this? tia --- Arlington wrote: > A quick and dirty search of the VA statutes turns up the > following: > > (This is not legal advice. Seek that from an attorney > licensed in your jurisdiction. This information is > available to the public.) > > **Criminal provisions** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 07:11:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f70.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDCBfD25194 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:11:30 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:11:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, shonda3@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly or Baltimore? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:11:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 12:11:30.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3C35030:01C064FD] I'd have to concur with Chris. While I didn't make it to either the NYC or Philly show last year, my trip to the Balt. one was pretty much a waste. (other than a decent lunch with a good friend) The show was mostly H-D related and had a couple local dealers showing what they have in stock. But, if you like seeing stuff like a coffin made into a trike and a herd of leather tassels, knock yourself out. YMMV Rob '98 VFR800 (going to the NYC show) >Shigeru, > >The show in Baltimore is a smaller, local show. It's not nearly as >interesting or large as the ones in Philly or NY. I've been to both, and I >don't feel that it's worth my time to go back to the Baltimore show. > >Chris Weaver _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 07:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11204.mail.yahoo.com (web11204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBDCVAD25568 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:31:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001213123102.2336.qmail@web11204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.246.10] by web11204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:31:02 PST Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly or Baltimore? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's exactly was the show was like. As a Baltimoron, I'm very disappointed in the show. I'm not big into hogs, and I saw plenty. (people and bikes). I'd rather hit the Philly show and see what it's like. Matt --- Rob Keiser wrote: > I'd have to concur with Chris. While I didn't make > it to either the NYC or > Philly show last year, my trip to the Balt. one was > pretty much a waste. > (other than a decent lunch with a good friend) > > The show was mostly H-D related and had a couple > local dealers showing what > they have in stock. But, if you like seeing stuff > like a coffin made into a > trike and a herd of leather tassels, knock yourself > out. YMMV > > Rob > '98 VFR800 (going to the NYC show) > > > >Shigeru, > > > >The show in Baltimore is a smaller, local show. > It's not nearly as > >interesting or large as the ones in Philly or NY. > I've been to both, and I > >don't feel that it's worth my time to go back to > the Baltimore show. > > > >Chris Weaver > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 08:43:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDDhiD26714 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:43:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:43:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200012130843.AA57475570@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Ice Roadracing X-Mailer: Ice Roadracing http://www.algonet.se/~ice-r-r/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 09:04:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBDE4jD27009 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Dec 13 06:04:13 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:04:13 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: blown engine rebuilds? X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.31 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not an engine builder. I came across an SV650 that reportedly threw a rod. What kind and extent of damage does this do to an engine? Is is possible for the likes of a shade-tree mech to rebuild over the winter? Is it often just a matter of replacing piston(s), valves and maybe crankshaft and engine covers? Is this a viable pursuit from an economic standpoint or is it better to attempt finding a new/used engine? How much should I expect an engine to cost me? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 09:29:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDETBD27406 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBDET9I3125804 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3787AA.CA2DB7A7@radix.net> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:28:58 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: blown engine rebuilds? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Patton wrote: > > I'm not an engine builder. I came across an SV650 that reportedly threw a rod. What kind and extent of damage does this do to an engine? It depends on the severity of the 'threw a rod' condition... You can 'spin a rod bearing', and incur minimal damage to the crank, rod & bearings [minimal being a relative term, you'd still have to replace all of them] or the rod could introduce itself to the outside world by coming through the block - that would be bad. Is is possible for the likes of a shade-tree mech to rebuild over the winter? If it was a race bike, I'd be willing to bet there could be some more damage, or I would tend to think that damage would be more severe. Is it possible ? sure. Is it cost effective ? maybe. It just depends on how severe the damage is. I'd say that if the motor will still start, (the rod did not come through the case) you *may* be able to get away with machining or polishing the crank [may as well lighten & knife edge while you're at it :-)], new bearings & rods... maybe. Is it often just a matter of replacing piston(s), valves and maybe crankshaft and engine covers? Is this a viable pursuit from an economic standpoint or is it better to attempt finding a new/used engine? make sure you check for piston to valve contact. If none, you may get off lucky. You may want to think about a new oil pump, or a rebuild ; if any metal got into the oil, consider it insurance. As for if it's a viable pursuit, only you can make that call. > > How much should I expect an engine to cost me? a recycled motor is an interesting question - on one hand, the bike is relatively new, OTOH, it has an unmatched cult following, particularly among racers, so you may be able to find a wadded bike to part with a good motor. I'm not really sure how much a new (recycled) lump would cost you - if you wrench yourself and everything goes completely perfect, you could get off for about $1k +/-, more as the level of damage increases... just a guess. I suggest checking out www.sv650.com HTH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 09:41:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDEfjD27584 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-144.patriot.net [209.249.180.144]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBDEfeg27090; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:41:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3789C1.591AD12F@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:37:53 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: blown engine rebuilds? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Patton wrote: > I'm not an engine builder. I came across an SV650 that reportedly threw a rod. What kind and extent of damage does this do to an engine? Is is possible for the likes of a shade-tree mech to rebuild over the winter? Is it often just a matter of replacing piston(s), valves and maybe crankshaft and engine covers? Is this a viable pursuit from an economic standpoint or is it better to attempt finding a new/used engine? > > How much should I expect an engine to cost me? > I'd check recyclers (junkyards) for an engine. A tossed rod usually takes out the case, major $$$. If the cost of the bike and cost of a used engine is a deal, you can get the bike and tear the engine down to see if it's economically fixable with the backup plan of replacing it. I'm sure all jap bikes have *pressed* cranks so damaged rod journals can be replaced without replacing the entire crank. If it's cheap enough it would be a fun project. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 10:34:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mta03f.seamail.go.com (mta03f.seamail.go.com [204.202.140.195]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDFYbD28515 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from gomailjtp04 (jtp04.seamail.go.com [10.212.0.164]) by mta03.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with SMTP id <0G5I00CXNJ9FOI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:34:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: Arlington Subject: Re: advertised prices (was: loundon m/s) To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <6473850.976721659308.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't know what the courts would do if a violation is proven, but I would guess the options would include: 1) refunding the $$ difference (if the bike was bought, even at another store); 2) forcing the store to honor its deal; 3) pay some other provable measure of harm (maybe time and distance?). As for proof of intent, once the fellow went into the store and offered to buy the motorcycle, which the store refused, the bait and switch provisions of the VA code appear to shift the burden to the store to prove that they didn't intend to defraud the guy. Seems like he has a strong case . . . I would at least show the store the statute in arguing for a lower price. Anyway, an informed consumer is a more powerful consumer . . . that's why I posted the statutes. There actually are a lot of regulations stating what dealers (m/v and m/c) can and can't do. It might pay to look them up. A searchable VA code is at http://leg1.state.va.us/000/src.htm . (MD doesn't care enough about its citizens to post a similar compilation, at least not that I found.) Unfortunately, there's no general provision about screwing people for a living. -Aaron (the above is not legal advice, yada yada) ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 10:42:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBDFgJD28677 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:42:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001213154208.93219.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:42:08 PST Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: advertised prices (was: loundon m/s) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try this http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LH805420.HTM --- Arlington wrote: > I don't know what the courts would do if a violation > is proven, but I would guess the options would > include: 1) refunding the $$ difference (if the > bike was bought, even at another store); 2) forcing > the store to honor its deal; 3) pay some other > provable measure of harm (maybe time and distance?). > > As for proof of intent, once the fellow went into > the store and offered to buy the motorcycle, which > the store refused, the bait and switch provisions of > the VA code appear to shift the burden to the store > to prove that they didn't intend to defraud the guy. > Seems like he has a strong case . . . I would at > least show the store the statute in arguing for a > lower price. > > Anyway, an informed consumer is a more powerful > consumer . . . that's why I posted the statutes. > There actually are a lot of regulations stating what > dealers (m/v and m/c) can and can't do. It might > pay to look them up. A searchable VA code is at > http://leg1.state.va.us/000/src.htm . (MD doesn't > care enough about its citizens to post a similar > compilation, at least not that I found.) > Unfortunately, there's no general provision about > screwing people for a living. > > -Aaron > > (the above is not legal advice, yada yada) > > ___________________________________________________ > GO.com Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 10:50:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBDFoiD28839 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:50:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001213155037.12900.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:50:37 PST Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:50:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: advertised prices (was: loundon m/s) To: Arlington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Arlington wrote: > I don't know what the courts would do if a violation is > proven, but I would guess the options would include: 1) > refunding the $$ difference (if the bike was bought, even > at another store); 2) forcing the store to honor its > deal; 3) pay some other provable measure of harm (maybe > time and distance?). one of the real problems underlying all of this is just how much work (time, money, etc.) a harmed consumer has to do in order to hold a seller responsible for its actions. i'd like to see lance get what he deserves here from LMS (and would assist him free-of-charge because he is my friend)....but i don't practice in va. and thus i can't really help him. > -Aaron > > (the above is not legal advice, yada yada) i was hoping for a sample disclaimer with a little bit more "legalese" ... ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 11:35:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDGZSD29523 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from attglobal.net ([12.78.117.247]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001213163515.POGA2234.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:35:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3A37A58E.7347B61F@attglobal.net> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:36:30 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [ja] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: ja,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly or Baltimore? References: <20001213123102.2336.qmail@web11204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks all for the advice. I guess I'll just stick with the one in Philly. -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Honda NT650 BMW R100R From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 14:23:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDJNdD02293 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA24975; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:21:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3A37CD03.7CA7FABF@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:24:51 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Rosenstock CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike show in Philly or Baltimore? References: <20001213123102.2336.qmail@web11204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > That's exactly was the show was like. As a Baltimoron, > I'm very disappointed in the show. I'm not big into > hogs, and I saw plenty. (people and bikes). I'd rather > hit the Philly show and see what it's like. > > Matt > Matt, I just e-mailed George Gragg the Suzuki Owners Club USA /Pennsylvania state coordinator to see if he was doing anything special at the show. I'll let everyone know if anything special will be going on. If so, we could all get together to caravan up there. I still would like to drop some flyers for SOC-USA at the Balt show, especially since we reduced our membership rates to $1.00. Maybe I can do that Friday night, and we can hit Philly on Saturday. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 00:18:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBE5IVD11940 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigbox (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA08862 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:18:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c0658d$a3a70500$0200a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas Zell" To: References: <200012140001.eBE01LM06742@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: SV650 cranks and mst newer cranks.... Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:20:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 are cast as one piece just like their automotive counterparts. It has been quite a while since Japanese motorcycle engines used modular crankshafts. Better to let a competent mc engine rebuilder fix the motor rather than attampt it yourself. The cranks used in mc applications usually use a multitude of bearing sizes on the same crankshaft (depending on machining) and not knowing which bearing went where or nor knowing wat was originally on that crank journal can cause less than desirable results; ex. Brian McCoy boaught an '87 VFR700F2 that had been modified with a 750 crank. The builder thought, "OK, we'll get a set of bearings and swap out the rotating assembly and be done with it." The bearings were simply ordered from a Honda microfiche without looking at the fine print to look up exactly which bearing coincided with a particular code. The end result was that the motor seazed at roughly twenty minutes after Brian had purchased the bike. Not good. Best of luck. Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 08:32:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEDW1D20107 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:32:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:31:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200012140831.AA524694@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Nat'l Agenda for MC Safety X-Mailer: National Agenda for Motorcycle Safety http://www.ahainc.com/nams/index.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 09:04:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEE4eD20571 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:04:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:04:00 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/14/2000 09:04:25 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SO who rode in to work today??? How were the conditions?? Kudos to you if you did you are a braver soul than I. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 09:16:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11005.mail.yahoo.com (web11005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBEEGTD20799 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:16:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001214141626.40339.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11005.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:16:26 PST Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: rode in today To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I rode in. I went out and checked the roads and watched the news. the road were a little wet. but not ice. Traffice was very light on 395 HOV and in the city. Trey --- jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: > SO who rode in to work today??? How were the > conditions?? Kudos to you if you > did you are a braver soul than I. > > > > James Itabashi > The World Bank Group > Site 8 SMS Administrator > ISGGC - ISGITC > 202-458-1697 > x.81697 I2-165D > jitabashi@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 10:24:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEFOZD21730 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25324 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:24:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904823B4C@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: rode in today Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:24:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Naw, wussed out. 4-wheelin' today. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing 00 Jeep Wrangler http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ --- jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: > SO who rode in to work today??? How were the > conditions?? Kudos to you if you > did you are a braver soul than I. > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 11:02:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEG1xD22374 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:01:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:01:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200012141101.AA13697420@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: rode in today X-Mailer: Yup, me too. The roads from Falls Church to Arlington were only wet, though I felt a few slippery spots here and there. I did a lot of steering with my feet! Gotta air up the tires on the sidecar rig and get it ready for commuting. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Trey Herb Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:16:26 -0800 (PST) >I rode in. I went out and checked the roads and >watched the news. the road were a little wet. but not >ice. Traffice was very light on 395 HOV and in the >city. > >Trey >--- jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: >> SO who rode in to work today??? How were the >> conditions?? Kudos to you if you >> did you are a braver soul than I. >> >> >> >> James Itabashi >> The World Bank Group >> Site 8 SMS Administrator >> ISGGC - ISGITC >> 202-458-1697 >> x.81697 I2-165D >> jitabashi@XXXXXX >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 11:42:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBEGgtD23057 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA02619; Thu, 14 Dec 1972 11:45:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1972 11:45:58 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kz@XXXXXX Subject: electrical question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got a bike that shows (via headlight brightness, and both voltage and current measurement) the battery being charged at idle, but discharging above about 1500 rpm. The alternator checks out fine (linear increase up to about 60 ac volts on each coil). The regulator-rectifier tests ok out of the bike and swapping in two other r/r gave the same results. Using a different battery (grasping at straws) made no difference. Connectors seem ok. Any ideas? BTW, this is a Honda Magna, but I've seen this problem before in various Suzukis with bad r/r. Thanks. --garcia "Forget world peace. Visualize using your turn signals." From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 11:57:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEGvSD23291 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBEGvPI3682436 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:57:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A38FBE6.161FFBDF@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:57:10 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garcia Oliver wrote: > > I've got a bike that shows (via headlight brightness, and both voltage and > current measurement) the battery being charged at idle, but discharging > above about 1500 rpm. The alternator checks out fine (linear increase up > to about 60 ac volts on each coil). The regulator-rectifier tests ok out > of the bike and swapping in two other r/r gave the same results. Using a > different battery (grasping at straws) made no difference. Connectors > seem ok. Any ideas? Does the bike start ok ? no difficulty? What about the ignition switch ? My v45 gave me trouble starting, then had to be jumped, then got hard headed again at a gas station. 1 day later, I couldn't even push start it. Turned out to be the ignition switch... > "Forget world peace. Visualize using your turn signals." Upon quizzing my New Joyzee sister in law about what she had against turn signals, she replied: " I like the element of surprise..." -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 12:40:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEHeFD23948 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-39.patriot.net [209.249.181.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBEHdxg13012; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:40:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3A390501.E6FE03E2@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:36:01 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question References: <3A38FBE6.161FFBDF@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > > "Forget world peace. Visualize using your turn signals." > > Upon quizzing my New Joyzee sister in law about what she had against > turn signals, she replied: > " I like the element of surprise..." > One of my pals never uses turn signals. He claims that turning on the blinker will make other drivers zoom ahead to block his move into the lane he wants to be in. Paranioa? Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 12:49:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEHn1D24119 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-213-133.s514.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.213.133] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 146cV0-0001xt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: <00fc01c065f5$45dbcec0$ebd93ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001214141626.40339.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: rode in today Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:16:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 No problems on the commute today. Just damp pavement. Actually it was better than usual. Seems like many of the "snowbirds" either stayed home or took Metro, so traffic was reduced. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Trey Herb To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: Re: rode in today > I rode in. I went out and checked the roads and > watched the news. the road were a little wet. but not > ice. Traffice was very light on 395 HOV and in the > city. > > Trey > --- jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: > > SO who rode in to work today??? From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 12:58:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEHwsD24322 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBEHwpI3689749 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:58:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A390A4C.8E9C7BE9@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:58:36 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Signals, lane changes & world peace References: <3A38FBE6.161FFBDF@radix.net> <3A390501.E6FE03E2@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > > One of my pals never uses turn signals. He claims that turning on the blinker > will make other drivers zoom ahead to block his move into the lane he wants to be > in. Paranioa? No, it's not. Drivers DO speed up around here when they see a vehicle about to change lanes, or even when they creep along side intending to pass. What kills me is when some BDC in a mommy van, with her 9 kids aboard does it on my 160 + hp Ninja - ok, there's a big chance I'll be slowing her down, so I can see the logic in that... Mom sends me this email this morning... how true it is... > The Supreme Court has ruled that there cannot be a nativity scene in > Washington, D.C. this Christmas. This isn't for any religious reason. > They simply have not been able to find three wise men and a virgin in > the Nation's capital. There was no problem however finding enough asses > to fill the stable. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 13:12:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1205.mail.yahoo.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBEIC3D24565 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2784 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2000 18:12:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20001214181200.2783.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:12:00 PST Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or he might have learned to drive in Mass. I've actually witnessed this type of behavior around Boston - all signaling does is invite people to move to block you. I gave up using mine after about 20 minutes. Todd --- Bill Huson wrote: > One of my pals never uses turn signals. He claims that turning on > the blinker > will make other drivers zoom ahead to block his move into the lane he > wants to be > in. Paranioa? > > Bill > ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 13:18:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBEIIND24652 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:18:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001214181811.9663.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:18:11 PST Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:18:11 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: electrical question To: Bill Huson , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > "Forget world peace. Visualize using your turn > signals." > > > > Upon quizzing my New Joyzee sister in law > about what she had against > > turn signals, she replied: > > " I like the element of surprise..." > > Beautiful, what was your response? Its this kind of thinking that makes driving the roads so wonderful. > --- Bill Huson wrote: > One of my pals never uses turn signals. He claims > that turning on the blinker > will make other drivers zoom ahead to block his move > into the lane he wants to be > in. Paranioa? Not paranoia, there is some truth to this as I've said it on this list before. In this area especially if you put on your turn signal there is a 75% chance the other driver will speed up and try to block you. If you end up making it they usually tailgate for a couple miles. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 13:29:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEITeD24834 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G5K00I01M0T3B@XXXXXX> for Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:29:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G5K00H25M0TUK@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:29:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G5K00501M0SQG@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:29:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G5K00501M0QQ2@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:29:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G5K001C9M0EAH@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:29:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:29:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: rode in today To: jitabashi@XXXXXX Cc: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A391170.A4CE8192@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: > > SO who rode in to work today??? How were the conditions?? Kudos to you if you > did you are a braver soul than I. I bailed out, took the cage. I didn't know if there would be any icy spots on the roads, decided not to chance it. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 13:32:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEIWoD24916 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBEIWmI905923 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:32:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A391240.E50798E7@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:32:32 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question References: <20001214181811.9663.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Upon quizzing my New Joyzee sister in law > > about what she had against > > > turn signals, she replied: > > > " I like the element of surprise..." > > > > > Beautiful, what was your response? Its this kind of > thinking that makes driving the roads so wonderful. Something to the effect of 'the apple doesn't fall far from the tree I guess'. . . The wife unit is much better at using turn signals -- at least, I can hear the turn signals from the passenger seat.. Usually, after a bout of Wilson bridge traffic, I have to cover my eyes from fear, as she can stuff that escort into spaces so small I wouldn't attempt it on the Ninja... ...drivers zoom ahead to block his move > > into the lane he wants to be > > in. Paranioa? > > Not paranoia, there is some truth to this as I've said > it on this list before. In this area especially if > you put on your turn signal there is a 75% chance the > other driver will speed up and try to block you. If > you end up making it they usually tailgate for a > couple miles. Pass with prejudice, I've yet to have a car keep within 5 car lengths with just roll on power. IF they're insistent enough to tailgate, I pull right & let them by immediately, secure in the knowledge that as my blocker, they'll get any ticket that was meant for me. If you're worried about someone speeding up to block your lane change, put your signal on AFTER you begin rolling on the throttle - then signal, then change lanes. It works. I'm just suffering acceleration withdrawal, it just seems no matter how hard I hit the gas in the exploder, it feels like I'm putting the spurs to Mrs. Buttersworth... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 13:43:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEIh2D25084 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G5K00401MGGHF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:38:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G5K003BPMGG9V@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:38:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G5K00A01MGFOA@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:38:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G5K00A01MGDNT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:38:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G5K0089YMFZJ9@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:38:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:38:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: electrical question To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A3913A1.9A95DBC8@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3A38FBE6.161FFBDF@XXXXXX> <3A390501.E6FE03E2@XXXXXX> Bill Huson wrote: > One of my pals never uses turn signals. He claims that turning on the blinker > will make other drivers zoom ahead to block his move into the lane he wants to be > in. Paranioa? How can it be paranoia if it happens that way about half of the time? :) The trick is: turn signal, head-check, ACCELERATE into the other lane. :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 13:51:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEIp1D25258 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBEIoxI3697660 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:50:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A391684.D3F8F593@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:50:44 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question References: <3A38FBE6.161FFBDF@XXXXXX> <3A390501.E6FE03E2@XXXXXX> <3A3913A1.9A95DBC8@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > How can it be paranoia if it happens that way about half of the time? :) > > The trick is: turn signal, head-check, ACCELERATE into the other lane. :) I like - ACCELERATE, turn signal, head check, change lanes. As soon as the evil mommy van pilot spots you about to get in front, they'll floor it. the turn signal & head checks are dead giveaways. It's not that I'm paranoid, it's just that everyone's out to get me... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 13:58:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEIwKD25347 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 146dYS-0000PT-00; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:56:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Dave Yates cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace In-Reply-To: <3A390A4C.8E9C7BE9@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Dave Yates wrote: > No, it's not. Drivers DO speed up around here when they see a vehicle > about to change lanes, or even when they creep along side intending to > pass. > As someone who uses their turn signals 99.9% of the time I think that's a load of bull. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 13:59:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEIxkD25367 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 146dbS-0006rt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace In-Reply-To: <3A390A4C.8E9C7BE9@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII People who don't use their turn signals need a swift kick in the nuts. Not that this is a pet peeve or anything. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 14:02:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEJ2WD25463 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G5K00801NINY2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:01:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G5K007CUNIMEI@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:01:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G5K00E01NILIG@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:01:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G5K00E01NIBCP@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:01:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G5K00APWNHZ9K@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:01:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:01:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: electrical question To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A3918F9.D53DDF1C@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3A38FBE6.161FFBDF@XXXXXX> <3A390501.E6FE03E2@XXXXXX> <3A3913A1.9A95DBC8@XXXXXX> <3A391684.D3F8F593@XXXXXX> Dave Yates wrote: > As soon as the evil mommy van pilot spots you about to get in front, > they'll floor it. Yeah, so? It's not like those things have world-beating 0-60 times... I find lane changing is much more interesting if you give the mommyvans a head start... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 14:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEJ6ZD25550 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBEJ6SI3730947 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:06:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A391A25.2C6FBB7F@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:06:13 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > People who don't use their turn signals need a swift > kick in the nuts. It's not exclusively a Macho thing... > Not that this is a pet peeve or anything. I was a little unclear... maybe if you hadn't beat around the bush ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 14:07:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEJ7kD25570 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBEJ7iI3397809 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:07:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A391A70.2ED4ED9E@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:07:28 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question References: <3A38FBE6.161FFBDF@XXXXXX> <3A390501.E6FE03E2@XXXXXX> <3A3913A1.9A95DBC8@XXXXXX> <3A391684.D3F8F593@XXXXXX> <3A3918F9.D53DDF1C@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > I find lane changing is much more interesting if you give the mommyvans a > head start... :) That's toying with them, Dale. Play nice. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 14:25:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEJPsD25837 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBEJST131071 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:28:30 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:28:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A391684.D3F8F593@radix.net> <3A3918F9.D53DDF1C@home.com> In-Reply-To: <3A3918F9.D53DDF1C@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012141428290E.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > As soon as the evil mommy van pilot spots you about to get in > > front, they'll floor it. > > Yeah, so? It's not like those things have world-beating 0-60 times... I > find lane changing is much more interesting if you give the mommyvans a > head > start... :) I simply rely on the laws of physics... at least when I'm driving my 4500lbs Tundra 4x4. When the sudden realization that, "no... that big black pickup is not going to stop changing lanes even though I'm exercising my god-given-right to rule to road with my brat-in-the-back overgrown stationwagon" makes it into their little pinheads, they hit the brakes. - Roach -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 14:26:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEJQ4D25847 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12552 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:25:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904823CAF@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peace Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:25:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I also use my signals a lot and I never have trouble on the bike changing lanes. I do what was described. Headcheck, accelerate and signal and, even if they try, they don't have a chance. In my Jeep, it's not as easy, but I still always signal. It's the RIGHT thing to do. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Hugh Caldwell said: As someone who uses their turn signals 99.9% of the time I think that's a load of bull. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 14:44:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEJiXD26170 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.e2.dacf3d4 (15877) for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:44:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:44:17 EST From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: They do it everywhere gang. I've lived in 4 different cities in my lifetime and have seen this occur in each and every place. It's even worse when you're on a motorcycle. I figure I'm faster than the cages anyway, so why bother with the turn signal. lol Half the idiots on the road don't even really know what a turn signal IS anyway..... Jess From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:01:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f135.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEK1jD26498 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:01:36 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:01:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peace Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:01:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:01:36.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA068760:01C06608] Some thoughts: I almost always use my signals, whether on the bike or in the cage. I rarely get "blocked" by someone because I used my signals. I don't use my signals to ask for permission to change lanes, but to show intent. I check that it's clear, put on my signals and then proceed - I don't hesitate. I won't block someone who uses signals properly, but have no problems blocking someone who tries to "sneak" over. I also won't slow down to "let someone in" just because they put their signal on and wait for an opening. On one of my first trips to Boston, I was told that using signals was considered "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." Perry _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:03:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEK3TD26508 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id PAA23672; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:00:16 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma021802; Thu, 14 Dec 00 14:59:09 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0G5K00KPVQ8ELY@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:00:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:59:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas To: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/14/2000 03:02:04 PM Nor do they even SEE the motorcycle around them to begin with ... :-( --chris RacerGirl435@XXXXXX on 12/14/2000 02:44:17 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas They do it everywhere gang. I've lived in 4 different cities in my lifetime and have seen this occur in each and every place. It's even worse when you're on a motorcycle. I figure I'm faster than the cages anyway, so why bother with the turn signal. lol Half the idiots on the road don't even really know what a turn signal IS anyway..... Jess ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:04:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEK4dD26521 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:04:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: electrical question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:53:00 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/14/2000 03:04:23 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That would be "PREGNANT STATIONWAGON".......LOL James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX Brian Roach cc: Subject: Re: electrical question 12/14/2000 02:28 PM Please respond to roach On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > As soon as the evil mommy van pilot spots you about to get in > > front, they'll floor it. > > Yeah, so? It's not like those things have world-beating 0-60 times... I > find lane changing is much more interesting if you give the mommyvans a > head > start... :) I simply rely on the laws of physics... at least when I'm driving my 4500lbs Tundra 4x4. When the sudden realization that, "no... that big black pickup is not going to stop changing lanes even though I'm exercising my god-given-right to rule to road with my brat-in-the-back overgrown stationwagon" makes it into their little pinheads, they hit the brakes. - Roach -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:05:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEK5WD26599 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:04:49 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000121412052210132 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:05:23 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-162.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.162]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:04:45 -0500 Message-Id: <3A3927BA.194DBC57@trw.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:04:10 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I'm riding I tend not to use my turn signals simply because when I do use them I often forget to turn them off. Don't a lot of Harleys have the self-cancelling kind? I always thought that was a good idea. What are the downsides? I really try hard to use them when I'm driving the car. Randy From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:21:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEKKrD26854 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:20:22 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:20:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:20:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:20:22.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[4936B790:01C0660B] My 1982 KZ1100-D1 Spectre had self-cancelling signals. I hated them. I was glad when the solenoid gave out. I didn't even consider replacing it. Basically, the signals turned off after a combination of time and distance. I think it was like 4 seconds and 100 feet (or thereabouts.) The problem was that they seemed to stay on too long when changing lanes on the highway, but cut off too soon when signalling for a turn when approaching a traffic light. In other words, I'd turn on my signal as I approached the turn lane, move into the turn lane, stop, wait for the light, start to move and they'd turn off. On the other hand, at 55 (or 65, 75, ...)mph, 4 seconds covers a LOT of distance. Nowadays I just remember to turn them off. I also tend to keep my thumb in the vicinity of the button as a reminder. With the newer Kawasaki's they use a push-to-cancel method which I find very convenient. Perry >From: Randy Moran >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:04:10 -0500 > >When I'm riding I tend not to use my turn signals simply because when I do >use them I often forget to turn them off. Don't a lot of Harleys have the >self-cancelling kind? I always thought that was a good idea. What are the >downsides? > >I really try hard to use them when I'm driving the car. > >Randy > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:21:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1205.mail.yahoo.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBEKLdD26857 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26139 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2000 20:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20001214202109.26138.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:21:09 PST Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:21:09 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The problem here is assuming a BDC is going to have any kind of grasp of the laws of physics. Usually it's more along the lines of "I'm the most important person on the road, and can brush aside anyone else. Anyone I can't brush aside, I can sue when they hit me." This leads into the BD part of BDC. Todd OBMOTO: After seeeing the coat of ice on the car this morning, I decided discresion was the better part of keeping the shiny side up. --- Brian Roach wrote: > I simply rely on the laws of physics... at least when I'm driving my > 4500lbs > Tundra 4x4. When the sudden realization that, "no... that big black > pickup is > not going to stop changing lanes even though I'm exercising my > god-given-right to rule to road with my brat-in-the-back overgrown > stationwagon" makes it into their little pinheads, they hit the > brakes. > > - Roach > > -- > ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:27:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEKQgD26890 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-39.patriot.net [209.249.181.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBEKPjg10131; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3A392BE4.77EAA00D@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:21:56 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Moran CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas References: <3A3927BA.194DBC57@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote: > When I'm riding I tend not to use my turn signals simply because when I do use them I often forget to turn them off. Don't a lot of Harleys have the self-cancelling kind? I always thought that was a good idea. What are the downsides? > > I really try hard to use them when I'm driving the car. > > Randy I use turn signals *most* of time. My harley had self-canceling signals but the mystical electrical gremlin ate them. The downside was they clicked off to fast for me, so I would have to hold the button down. Since they no longer self-cancel, no problem, excpet remembering to click the damn things off. I do like the rht/lft buttons. And the four way flasher deal is pretty cool too. Harleys have been known to take a *rest* on the road shoulder and the flashers come in handy. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEKR0D26937 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:26:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:26:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think the knock on self canceling signals on motorcycles is that they work badly. On cars, signals cancel themselves out via turns of the steering wheel. Since not all turns on motorcycles require turning the handlebars back and forth, that mechanism can't work. Harleys (at least newer ones) have an interesting blinker set up, with the left thumb activating - or deactivating - the left blinker, and the right thumb the right one. Depress once, the blinker goes one, press it again, and the blinker goes off. I think it also has a timer to turn it off (20 seconds?), but that isn't good either, because all of a sudden your blinker will turn itself off when you're sitting at an intersection waiting to turn left. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Randy Moran [mailto:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:04 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas When I'm riding I tend not to use my turn signals simply because when I do use them I often forget to turn them off. Don't a lot of Harleys have the self-cancelling kind? I always thought that was a good idea. What are the downsides? I really try hard to use them when I'm driving the car. Randy From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:28:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEKRnD26961 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 146ey0-0001lZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:27:04 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:27:00 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas In-Reply-To: <3A3927BA.194DBC57@trw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > When I'm riding I tend not to use my turn signals simply because when I do use them I often forget to turn them off. Don't a lot of Harleys have the self-cancelling kind? I always thought that was a good idea. What are the downsides? > Both of my Yamahas had self cancelling turn signals but I think the implementation must be a trade secret as neither my Honda or Kawaskai have them. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:32:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEKW6D27075 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from therock (pool180-110.patriot.net [209.249.180.110]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11735; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:25:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c0660c$d9d305a0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Randy Moran" , References: <3A3927BA.194DBC57@trw.com> Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:31:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I used to have self-cancelling turn signals on my old Kwak 454. The only problem is that they are on a timer. If you sit at a light for a while or if you turn them on too early for a turn, they will go off before you intend them to do so. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas > When I'm riding I tend not to use my turn signals simply because when I do use them I often forget to turn them off. Don't a lot of Harleys have the self-cancelling kind? I always thought that was a good idea. What are the downsides? > > I really try hard to use them when I'm driving the car. > > Randy > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 15:43:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBEKhBD27257 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:40:11 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:39:31 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBEKj3D27258 I have noticed occasionally that cagers will accelerate when you go to pass on two lane roads, this pisses me off. What are they thinking? Are they upset that I want to pass them? Sometimes, I even have to downshift. George Cole >>> 12/14/00 02:59PM >>> Nor do they even SEE the motorcycle around them to begin with ... :-( --chris From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 16:07:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (w247.z064003036.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.3.36.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEL7PD27718 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16955 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:07:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:07:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, George Cole wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:39:31 -0600 > From: George Cole > > I have noticed occasionally that cagers will accelerate when you go to pass on two lane roads, this pisses me off. > What are they thinking? Are they upset that I want to pass them? Riding in Vermont earlier this year I was /very/ surprised to see cars on 2 lane roads (twisty ones even ;-) pulling over and letting motorcycles go by. Its like... this is how life /should/ be. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 16:23:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBELN1D27997 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:23:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001214212258.46192.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:22:58 PST Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:22:58 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peace To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like to use hand signals if electric turn signals don't get there attention. Trey If you know what I mean. And I think you do. --- "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > I also use my signals a lot and I never have trouble > on the bike changing > lanes. I do what was described. Headcheck, > accelerate and signal and, even > if they try, they don't have a chance. > > In my Jeep, it's not as easy, but I still always > signal. > > It's the RIGHT thing to do. > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA, USA > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > Hugh Caldwell said: > As someone who uses their turn signals 99.9% of the > time > I think that's a load of bull. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 16:33:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBELXeD28185 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G5K00L01UJ95G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G5K00JFIUJ9VT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G5K00C01UJ86Z@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G5K00C01UIT4U@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G5K008PNUIMP7@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:32:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:32:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas To: George Cole Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A393C80.7B702569@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: George Cole wrote: > > I have noticed occasionally that cagers will accelerate when you go to pass > on two lane roads, this pisses me off. > What are they thinking? Are they upset that I want to pass them? Remember that we are dealing with (on average) stupid people with lousy driving skills. It's not a far stretch to imagine that they *think* like this: "Gee, I really slowed down in that curvy section back there, this mommyvan really doesn't like curves all that well when I've got all my kids, the dog, and the local soccer team jammed in here. I'll try to speed up a little on the next straight to make up for it." Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 16:38:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBELcrD28281 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBELcDJ11157; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:38:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200012142138.eBELcDJ11157@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dan Brown cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:07:05 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:38:13 -0500 In your message dated: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:07:05 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => => => => On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, George Cole wrote: => => > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:39:31 -0600 => > From: George Cole => > => > I have noticed occasionally that cagers will accelerate when you go to pass on two lane roads, => this pisses me off. => > What are they thinking? Are they upset that I want to pass them? => => Riding in Vermont earlier this year I was /very/ surprised to see cars => on 2 lane roads (twisty ones even ;-) pulling over and letting motorcycles => go by. Its like... this is how life /should/ be. Ah, Vermont...where passing on the double yellow is LEGAL, as long as it's "safe". A very sane (if slippery) statute. My (IANAL) definition is something like "if you fsck up and have/cause an accident, then the pass itself, in addition to other consequences, was illegal." I can live with that...it shifts the responsibility onto the operator. Actually, I've had people here in VA pull over to let me pass too--but nowhere near DC! I think that politeness in driving behavior is inversely proportional to population density. Mark => => => -- => Dan Brown => brown@XXXXXX => => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 17:13:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEMDoD28877 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA24773; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:13:42 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from david500 (w054.z064000083.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.83.54]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA26147; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:13:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c0661a$b38fc320$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <200012142138.eBELcDJ11157@merctech.com> Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:10:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Gods honest truth . . . I use my signals so religiously on the street that I have caught myself signally turns during races! For some reason this happens most often in turn 3 at Summit. I usually catch my thumb moving the signal indicator to the left. Haven't reached for the horn yet though. :) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan Brown" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas > > > In your message dated: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:07:05 EST, > your pithy ruminations on were: > => > => > => > => On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, George Cole wrote: > => > => > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:39:31 -0600 > => > From: George Cole > => > > => > I have noticed occasionally that cagers will accelerate when you go to pass on two lane roads, > => this pisses me off. > => > What are they thinking? Are they upset that I want to pass them? > => > => Riding in Vermont earlier this year I was /very/ surprised to see cars > => on 2 lane roads (twisty ones even ;-) pulling over and letting motorcycles > => go by. Its like... this is how life /should/ be. > > Ah, Vermont...where passing on the double yellow is LEGAL, as long as it's > "safe". A very sane (if slippery) statute. My (IANAL) definition is something > like "if you fsck up and have/cause an accident, then the pass itself, in > addition to other consequences, was illegal." I can live with that...it shifts > the responsibility onto the operator. > > Actually, I've had people here in VA pull over to let me pass too--but nowhere > near DC! > > I think that politeness in driving behavior is inversely proportional to > population density. > > Mark > => > => > => -- > => Dan Brown > => brown@XXXXXX > => > => > > > -- > Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 17:16:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEMG2D28954 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 146ge5-0002Tw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:14:37 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:15:59 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas In-Reply-To: <000d01c0660c$d9d305a0$0100a8c0@therock> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Chris Weaver wrote: > I used to have self-cancelling turn signals on my old Kwak 454. The only > problem is that they are on a timer. If you sit at a light for a while or if > you turn them on too early for a turn, they will go off before you intend > them to do so. > If I recall correctly the timer on the turn signals on the Yamaha where only activated if the bike was moving so you could sit at an intersection all day long without them turning off. Why you would want to do this of course is beyond me. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 17:16:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEMGdD28964 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-39.patriot.net [209.249.181.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBEMGWv30314; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3945DC.9FA6A1A4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:12:44 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > I think the knock on self canceling signals on motorcycles is that they work > badly. On cars, signals cancel themselves out via turns of the steering > wheel. Since not all turns on motorcycles require turning the handlebars > back and forth, that mechanism can't work. Harleys (at least newer ones) > have an interesting blinker set up, with the left thumb activating - or > deactivating - the left blinker, and the right thumb the right one. Depress > once, the blinker goes one, press it again, and the blinker goes off. I > think it also has a timer to turn it off (20 seconds?), but that isn't good > either, because all of a sudden your blinker will turn itself off when > you're sitting at an intersection waiting to turn left. Nope, the harleys work off some kind of mysterious signal counter, acording to my manual. (number of misfires?) While rolling it's the same as a clock timeout but it won't quit while waiting at intersection. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 17:19:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEMJvD29000 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-39.patriot.net [209.249.181.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBEMJlv30972; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:19:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3A39469F.3C0D53AC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:15:59 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Cole wrote: > I have noticed occasionally that cagers will accelerate when you go to pass on two lane roads, this pisses me off. > What are they thinking? Are they upset that I want to pass them? > > Sometimes, I even have to downshift. No, it's subconcious stupidity. They'll do it on superslabs too. You roll alongside them and their foot just gets heavier. Might be more noticable on 2-lanes `cause less of them use cruise control. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 17:22:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEMMdD29087 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-213-63.s571.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.213.63] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 146glo-0007Th-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:22:37 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01c0661b$828861a0$3fd53ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:09:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Honda designers "solved" this problem on the Nighthawk was a big ole ugly yellow signal indicator between the speedo and tach. You'd have to be legally blind for that thing not to catch your attention. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Coleman > My 1982 KZ1100-D1 Spectre had self-cancelling signals. I hated them. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 17:23:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEMNSD29097 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G5K00C01WJ132@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:16:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G5K00B0KWJ0XR@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:16:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G5K00701WIZUV@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:16:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G5K00701WHZKU@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:16:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G5K00720WHT1V@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:15:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:15:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas To: bergman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A394683.F850E7A3@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200012142138.eBELcDJ11157@merctech.com> bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > I think that politeness in driving behavior is inversely proportional to > population density. Bingo. Right on. Somebody buy that man a cold one. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 17:31:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEMUwD29284 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-39.patriot.net [209.249.181.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBEMUqv00498; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:30:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3A394937.F2A1F6A1@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:27:03 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bergman@XXXXXX CC: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas References: <200012142138.eBELcDJ11157@merctech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > Actually, I've had people here in VA pull over to let me pass too--but nowhere > near DC! > I've pulled off and let motorcycles pas, while on my motorcycle. Hey, when you see a buncha crotch rocketeers in your mirrors, all of them with the testostrone induced wild-eyed look which means they ain't been getting enough lately and fully intend to get thier jollys on the twisty, *I* pull over and let them rock and roll. > I think that politeness in driving behavior is inversely proportional to > population density. > I'm waiting for a sociologist to publish on this theory. I've noticed the same thing, just try Atlanta, land of the southern gentleman and sweet misses? Yeah, right, 15 years ago maybe. Now the drivers in Atlanta put New Yawk attack cabbies to shame. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 17:49:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEMmwD29534 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBEMnDc01277 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:49:13 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:49:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A3927BA.194DBC57@trw.com> In-Reply-To: <3A3927BA.194DBC57@trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121417491300.01107@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > Don't a lot of Harleys have the > self-cancelling kind? I always thought that was a good idea. What are the > downsides? The only downside to them (At least as of my '99 model) is the mysterious method used to decide when to turn off. It seems to be a combination of movement, time, and lean angle. The only thing that really seems to confuse them is high-speed lane changes. When cruising down the beltway and making a lane change, they tend not to turn off fast enough, but it only causes a problem if you're moving over more than one lane (to get ready to exit, for example). When you go to make your second lane change, you kinda have to check the state of the signal to see if it's on or off... because if it's on, and you hit the signal button, it turns it off. Everywhere else the self-cancel seems to work pretty well. They don't shut off sitting at an intersection, and if you're making a turn at said intersection they cancel almost immediatly afterward. It's really an interface issue :) If they just made it so that hitting the button a second time reset the state to "just turned on" instead of causing it to turn off an active signal, they'd work perfectly. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 21:21:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBF2LRD03016 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A00716C00060; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:20:55 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peace (Swirled Peas ?!) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:20:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c06656$c329efe0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 My take on this is that it has more to do with lack of confidence than making sure you won't slow them down. It happens very often around here. To support my theory (get ready for a generalization) I submit that 4 out of 5 times I find that it is a female driver (ducks behind a flame retardant wall). I find that drivers that do that are in general not driving aggressively and not trying to get ahead of me. I think they are not worried about slowing down, but rather just afraid of a change in their driving environment. With that said about women drivers being less aggressive (in general...please!) I was riding in the left lane of the outer loop of the Beltway towards the 495/270 split in rush hour. Traffic in the lane finally goes a bit faster so I put more room between me and the next car. The driver behind me proceeds to tailgate me and honk the horn. Unfortunately, but to no surprise, the next lane was going a tad slower with no distance between the cars to speak of so I had no where to go and could not "disappear" easily like I am fond of doing. I zigzaged in my lane and gave the driver a turn of my head, then found room to change lanes. A late model green Toyota passed me with a pissy looking woman at the wheel. All I could do is shake my head and hope she runs out of gas somewhere uncomfortable. On another issue: I commuted on two wheels today. No ice to speak of, less traffic than usual. No biggie. Niv BMW F650ST >> One of my pals never uses turn signals. He claims that turning on the blinker >> will make other drivers zoom ahead to block his move into the lane he wants to be >> in. Paranioa? > > No, it's not. Drivers DO speed up around here when they see a vehicle >about to change lanes, or even when they creep along side intending to >pass. What kills me is when some BDC in a mommy van, with her 9 kids >aboard does it on my 160 + hp Ninja - ok, there's a big chance I'll be >slowing her down, so I can see the logic in that... From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 21:33:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBF2X8D03209 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from snet.net (hrfr-sh23-port70.snet.net [204.60.211.70]) by smtp.snet.net (8.11.1/8.11.1/SNET-mx-1.4/D-1.10/O-1.7) with ESMTP id eBF2Wpu13091; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:32:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A39829E.9030902@snet.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:31:58 -0500 From: Glen Farney Reply-To: glen.farney@XXXXXX Organization: You can help the homeless ferrets without leaving your computer ! -----> http://www.eyegive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=251&mid=514 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kz@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.electrexusa.com/faultfin.htm It does sound like a bad R/R unit. Check the ground to make sure the R/R is grounded properly. Garcia Oliver wrote: > I've got a bike that shows (via headlight brightness, and both voltage and > current measurement) the battery being charged at idle, but discharging > above about 1500 rpm. The alternator checks out fine (linear increase up > to about 60 ac volts on each coil). The regulator-rectifier tests ok out > of the bike and swapping in two other r/r gave the same results. Using a > different battery (grasping at straws) made no difference. Connectors > seem ok. Any ideas? > > BTW, this is a Honda Magna, but I've seen this problem before in various > Suzukis with bad r/r. -- "The ride is the reason, the destination is only the excuse" Glen Farney "Still looking for roads twisty enough to see my own tail light" GS650GLD - Jammin', VX800M - Bandito, GS750ED - Project Suzuki Owners Club-USA, Connecticut State Coordinator http://www.soc-usa.org Ferret Association of Connecticut http://www.ferret-fact.org ICQ #9867478, AOL "Farnster" Coventry, CT From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 22:08:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBF38GD03746 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:08:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-39.patriot.net [209.249.181.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBF38Cv00936; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3A398A38.2C061269@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:04:24 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahalan CC: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace (Swirled Peas ?!) References: <000001c06656$c329efe0$3e00000a@darwin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ahalan wrote: > My take on this is that it has more to do with lack of confidence than > making sure you won't slow them down. It happens very often around here. To > support my theory (get ready for a generalization) I submit that 4 out of 5 > times I find that it is a female driver (ducks behind a flame retardant > wall). I find that drivers that do that are in general not driving > aggressively and not trying to get ahead of me. I think they are not > worried about slowing down, but rather just afraid of a change in their > driving environment. > > With that said about women drivers being less aggressive (in > general...please!) I was riding in the left lane of the outer loop of the > Beltway towards the 495/270 split in rush hour. Traffic in the lane finally > goes a bit faster so I put more room between me and the next car. The > driver behind me proceeds to tailgate me and honk the horn. Unfortunately, > but to no surprise, the next lane was going a tad slower with no distance > between the cars to speak of so I had no where to go and could not > "disappear" easily like I am fond of doing. I zigzaged in my lane and gave > the driver a turn of my head, then found room to change lanes. A late model > green Toyota passed me with a pissy looking woman at the wheel. All I could > do is shake my head and hope she runs out of gas somewhere uncomfortable. > Ye gods!!! Forget the flame retardent wall - RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! My theory, a rathwer twisted one. Teen boys have a rep for being really bad drivers. It's the *male* thang, turn 16, get your wheels and assert your manliness. Well, that was back in the good ol' days when girls drove very little, maybe taking the fam car on a daylight shopping trip. But now girls are our equals in every respect, well, except we can still beat them in a target pissing contest. They have cars, big cars - check out the demographics on SUV drivers - Jeep = Fem. And they are playing catch-up, asserting their manliness. Making us fully aware that they are equal to the task of terrorizing the highways like their brother did. I observed this firsthand. My son was a cautious driver, probably because I told him he couldn't by a motorcycle until he drove one year ticket and dent free. But his sister, my darling daughter, was a terror. No lie, she could have had Dale Earnhart in therupy. It's a new age, lad - learn to adjust. Girls rule! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 23:00:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBF40KD04570 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A751D24006A; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:00:17 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: "'dc-cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peace (Swirled Peas ?!) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:59:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c06664$a4a7d880$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A398A38.2C061269@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I KNOW I KNOW (DON"T SHOOT DON'T SHOOT) My oldest sister is one of the fastest, most aggressive drivers I know. That's why I said it's a "generalization"... I have 3 sisters. Even with good genes the other two are not much better than average. I don't think its because they can't. I think is because they don't care as much. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 7:04 PM To: Ahalan Cc: dc-cycles (E-mail) Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace (Swirled Peas ?!) Ahalan wrote: > My take on this is that it has more to do with lack of confidence than > making sure you won't slow them down. It happens very often around here. To > support my theory (get ready for a generalization) I submit that 4 out of 5 > times I find that it is a female driver (ducks behind a flame retardant > wall). I find that drivers that do that are in general not driving > aggressively and not trying to get ahead of me. I think they are not > worried about slowing down, but rather just afraid of a change in their > driving environment. > > With that said about women drivers being less aggressive (in > general...please!) I was riding in the left lane of the outer loop of the > Beltway towards the 495/270 split in rush hour. Traffic in the lane finally > goes a bit faster so I put more room between me and the next car. The > driver behind me proceeds to tailgate me and honk the horn. Unfortunately, > but to no surprise, the next lane was going a tad slower with no distance > between the cars to speak of so I had no where to go and could not > "disappear" easily like I am fond of doing. I zigzaged in my lane and gave > the driver a turn of my head, then found room to change lanes. A late model > green Toyota passed me with a pissy looking woman at the wheel. All I could > do is shake my head and hope she runs out of gas somewhere uncomfortable. > Ye gods!!! Forget the flame retardent wall - RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! My theory, a rathwer twisted one. Teen boys have a rep for being really bad drivers. It's the *male* thang, turn 16, get your wheels and assert your manliness. Well, that was back in the good ol' days when girls drove very little, maybe taking the fam car on a daylight shopping trip. But now girls are our equals in every respect, well, except we can still beat them in a target pissing contest. They have cars, big cars - check out the demographics on SUV drivers - Jeep = Fem. And they are playing catch-up, asserting their manliness. Making us fully aware that they are equal to the task of terrorizing the highways like their brother did. I observed this firsthand. My son was a cautious driver, probably because I told him he couldn't by a motorcycle until he drove one year ticket and dent free. But his sister, my darling daughter, was a terror. No lie, she could have had Dale Earnhart in therupy. It's a new age, lad - learn to adjust. Girls rule! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 23:08:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBF48DD04669 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A8F535F7005C; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:07:17 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Road rage song Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:06:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c06665$9efa2ea0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Anyone ever listen to the words of "Bad Habit" by Offspring ? Lots of fun. Niv BMW F650 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 03:36:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9606.mail.yahoo.com (web9606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBF8aMJ03798 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:36:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001215083615.29468.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.140.103.82] by web9606.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:36:15 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:36:15 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: NC30 vs. NC29 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone on the list know the statistical differences between early 1990's Honda VFR 400s (NC-30) and CBR 400s (NC-29) or any other related information? Which one is a more desirable bike? Thanks, Adam Reinhardt '89 CBR 600F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 06:31:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFBVuJ06586 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBFBVrI3845009 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:31:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3A0126.F7918F13@radix.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:31:50 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas References: <200012142138.eBELcDJ11157@merctech.com> <3A394937.F2A1F6A1@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > I've pulled off and let motorcycles pas, while on my motorcycle. Hey, when you see a buncha crotch > rocketeers in your mirrors, all of them with the testostrone induced wild-eyed look which means they > ain't been getting enough lately and fully intend to get thier jollys on the twisty, *I* pull over and > let them rock and roll. > > > I think that politeness in driving behavior is inversely proportional to > > population density. > > > > I'm waiting for a sociologist to publish on this theory. I've noticed the same thing, just try > Atlanta, land of the southern gentleman and sweet misses? Yeah, right, 15 years ago maybe. Now the > drivers in Atlanta put New Yawk attack cabbies to shame. Actually, there's some merit to the polite driver as relates to the lack of population density. It's just passive aggressive behavior that manifests itself while behind the wheel of a cage. Bad day at work, tired of life in general, no way I'm letting that stinkin' motorcycle past me - what have you. I'm not saying you'll never encounter an impolite driver where there's little population (hey, there are always transplants), but it's more rare than around here... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 06:43:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFBhqJ06730 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBFBhoI3893985 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:43:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3A03F6.EC1BBE70@radix.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:43:50 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace (Swirled Peas ?!) References: <000001c06656$c329efe0$3e00000a@darwin.net> <3A398A38.2C061269@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > Ahalan wrote: > > > My take on this is that it has more to do with lack of confidence than > > making sure you won't slow them down. It happens very often around here. To > > support my theory (get ready for a generalization) I submit that 4 out of 5 > > times I find that it is a female driver (ducks behind a flame retardant > > wall). I find that drivers that do that are in general not driving > > aggressively and not trying to get ahead of me. I think they are not > > worried about slowing down, but rather just afraid of a change in their > > driving environment. I'd say the bulk of what is reported as aggressive driving around here is more appropriately termed selfish driving. It's not so much the moron cutting in & out of traffic at 30 over the traffic speed - they're pretty easy to spot before hand, but the ones that speed up as you pull next to them, or signal a lane change, the ones that go all the way to the front of a lane that is about to end & try to cut in front, the ones that jump across 2 or 3 lanes to turtle along in the left lane at 55, and the ones that absolutely refuse to allow exiters to merge or change lanes - they're the troublesome lot. & I'd submit that it's not a more men than women or women than men demographic, but pretty evenly represented. I am a CLEAR violator of some courteous driving procedures, there are some vehicles I absolutely won't tolerate in front of or around me, but I will allow them in front & pass if need be. ...But now girls are our > equals in every respect, well, except we can still beat them in a target pissing > contest. They have cars, big cars - check out the demographics on SUV drivers - > Jeep = Fem. And they are playing catch-up, asserting their manliness. Making us > fully aware that they are equal to the task of terrorizing the highways like their > brother did. any group of people that behaves poorly, had poor parents (leaders). > I observed this firsthand. My son was a cautious driver, probably because I told > him he couldn't by a motorcycle until he drove one year ticket and dent free. But > his sister, my darling daughter, was a terror. No lie, she could have had Dale > Earnhart in therupy. Ok, some people had good parents but just lack certain skills.... yeah, that's it ;-) > > It's a new age, lad - learn to adjust. Girls rule! New ? let's adjust the statement 'girls have ruled the home for generations, now they want the road'... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 07:33:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f234.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFCXBJ07447 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 04:33:02 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:33:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:33:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2000 12:33:02.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AA78060:01C06693] I think they're just upset not seeing your turn signals with your front wheel pointed toward the sky! ;) Rob '98 VFR800 >From: "George Cole" >To: >Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:39:31 -0600 > >I have noticed occasionally that cagers will accelerate when you go to pass >on two lane roads, this pisses me off. >What are they thinking? Are they upset that I want to pass them? > >Sometimes, I even have to downshift. > >George Cole > > > > > >>> 12/14/00 02:59PM >>> > >Nor do they even SEE the motorcycle around them to begin with ... :-( > >--chris > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 07:36:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f154.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFCaQJ07524 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 04:36:18 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:36:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:36:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2000 12:36:18.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F43A4D0:01C06693] AMEN! > People who don't use their turn signals need a swift >kick in the nuts. Not that this is a pet peeve or anything. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 07:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f282.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFCgXJ07627 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 04:42:24 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:42:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:42:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2000 12:42:24.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[7992F140:01C06694] Damn! Another broken 'Delete' key. That's the third one this week. I think the vast majority of us agree that signaling is a good idea. Just push the button to cancel them! It's not that difficult. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 07:58:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com (web10504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBFCwpJ07867 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:58:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001215125843.73939.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.225] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 04:58:43 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 04:58:43 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: electrical question To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I simply rely on the laws of physics... at least > when I'm driving my 4500lbs > Tundra 4x4. When the sudden realization that, "no... > that big black pickup is > not going to stop changing lanes even though I'm > exercising my > god-given-right to rule to road with my > brat-in-the-back overgrown > stationwagon" makes it into their little pinheads, > they hit the brakes. > > - Roach > I use the same principle in my Isuzu Rodeo. It is not as big as the Tundra, but I take it off roading so it is pretty beat up. When they see I have hit other things in it, they know I am not afraid to hit something else. Tree, rock, annoying Chevy Cavalier, makes no difference to me. :) Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 08:14:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com (web10504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBFDECJ08104 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:14:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001215131409.75004.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.225] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:14:09 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:14:09 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peace To: Trey Herb , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Trey Herb wrote: > I like to use hand signals if electric turn signals > don't get there attention. > > Trey > And which hand signal would that be? :) Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 08:18:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFDIkJ08192 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-32.patriot.net [209.249.181.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBFDIQv15729; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3A1931.404C12F7@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:14:25 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace (Swirled Peas ?!) References: <000001c06656$c329efe0$3e00000a@darwin.net> <3A398A38.2C061269@patriot.net> <3A3A03F6.EC1BBE70@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > It's a new age, lad - learn to adjust. Girls rule! > > New ? let's adjust the statement 'girls have ruled the home for > generations, now they want the road'... > Good point (sez the man with conditioned auto responses "Yes, dear" & "Right away, dear.") And I must mention that a large percentage of students in MSF RiderCourse classes are females, not that I'm complaining. Most of the fems wish to own and ride a Harley. I'm not sure if that's because a Harley is the ultimate macho image machine, or if they've discovered that a Harley is like a ... well, 700 pound vibrator :-) Bill where is my Nomex suit? From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 08:51:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11203.mail.yahoo.com (web11203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBFDplJ08680 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:51:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001215135135.99270.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.246.11] by web11203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:51:35 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peace To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I completely agree with the selfishness issue. But also,a little courtesy goes along way. LLPs (Left Lane P*ssies) are the most aggravating. Just move over and let people pass. We need signage that says "Stay right except to pass." I wrote to the MD SHA about the signs and they replied that it would disrupt traffic if a sign was erected. What a bunch of bull. The SHA is great for cleaning the roadway during snow and spending plenty of money paving roads that don't need it. However, a simple little sign is too disputive. End Rant Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 08:58:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBFDw4J08757 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 10932 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 05:57:52 -0800 Received: from 1Cust160.tnt4.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO ibm010jim) (63.30.135.160) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 05:57:52 -0800 X-Sent: 15 Dec 2000 13:57:52 GMT Message-ID: <00c501c066a0$050b48c0$5302a8c0@ibm010jim> From: "Jim Caldwell" To: References: <200012150000.eBF008X00769@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: My Turn Signals began "Working" in 1992 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:59:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >I simply rely on the laws of physics... at least when I'm driving my 4500lbs >Tundra 4x4. When the sudden realization that, "no... that big black pickup is >not going to stop changing lanes even though I'm exercising my >god-given-right to rule to road with my brat-in-the-back overgrown >stationwagon" makes it into their little pinheads, they hit the brakes. >- Roach You're right on Roach. I noticed when I got my Ford Bronco in '92 that all the sudden people would mostly let me in when I signaled for a lane change. I have been pleasantly surprised since I started riding (again) 3 years ago; cars mostly let in motorcycles when they signal (when they don't, the roll on and do it anyway works too). Of course, my choice in M/Cs is similar to my choice in cages, I ride a Valkyrie ;-). Jim (yes my middle name is 'Hugh') Caldwell From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 09:30:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFEU2J09292 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-32.patriot.net [209.249.181.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBFETgv25036; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:29:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3A29F0.4089CF22@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:25:52 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Rosenstock CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace References: <20001215135135.99270.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > I completely agree with the selfishness issue. But > also,a little courtesy goes along way. LLPs (Left > Lane P*ssies) are the most aggravating. Just move over > and let people pass. We need signage that says "Stay > right except to pass." > > I wrote to the MD SHA about the signs and they replied > that it would disrupt traffic if a sign was erected. > > What a bunch of bull. The SHA is great for cleaning > the roadway during snow and spending plenty of money > paving roads that don't need it. However, a simple > little sign is too disputive. > > Hmmm... While cruising the south I noted such signs, and my darling daughter who lives down thar sez the law will write yo' ass up for plugging the left lane. Maybe you should use the "additional tickee revenue" approach. You also might mention that interstate speed limits in the south are 70. YAHHOO!!! Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 10:24:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFFOwJ10016 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-213-123.s631.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.213.123] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 146wj9-0000TK-00 ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01c066aa$4bea65a0$7bd53ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: "dc cycles" References: <000001c06656$c329efe0$3e00000a@darwin.net> <3A398A38.2C061269@patriot.net> <3A3A03F6.EC1BBE70@radix.net> <3A3A1931.404C12F7@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace (Swirled Peas ?!) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:11:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson > > Bill Huson wrote: > > And I must mention that a large percentage of students in MSF RiderCourse > classes are females, not that I'm complaining. Most of the fems wish to own and ride a Harley. Yep, when I took the MRC:RSS there was a 2:1 male to female ratio, eight out of twenty-four. Most of the women were there because they wanted to experience the view from "up front", having ridden on the back for a while. And yes, some of them were convinced they wanted Harleys, although they may have had a change of heart after the course, especially after realizing the significant difference in weight between the training bikes and their would-be rides. The transition from pillion to pilot seemed to be the primary motivation for the female students, while the men were all over the map with such reasons as "wife/mother/SO made me before buying bike (#1)", "judge's orders", "scared crapless of riding in traffic", "rode dirt bikes in 70s and getting back into it," etc. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 10:34:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBFFY4J10185 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:32:08 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:28:45 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: NC30 vs. NC29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBFFY9J10186 Adam, Here is a link to a NC30 website. I was looking at a buying a NC-35 this Fall, which is the latest version. They are really cool bikes. The NC-35 is like a mini version of the RC-45. The NC-30 is just a earlier version. George Cole http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dgwyther/start.htm >>> Adam Reinhardt 12/15/00 03:36AM >>> Does anyone on the list know the statistical differences between early 1990's Honda VFR 400s (NC-30) and CBR 400s (NC-29) or any other related information? Which one is a more desirable bike? Thanks, Adam Reinhardt '89 CBR 600F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 10:42:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFFgGJ10351 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-212-134.s388.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.212.134] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 146wzp-0003y0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01c066ac$b4bbf9c0$7bd53ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001215135135.99270.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> <3A3A29F0.4089CF22@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:34:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 You gotta love Maryland, land of Operation Road Rocket and where kiddies need to be protected from the menace of motorcycle rides. Those things are doable. Sensible signage describing a law already on the books: nope, can't do that. They can erect signs saying "Drive Gently" though. Exactly which part of the State Code do these signs reference? A Burma Shave campaign perhaps.... "Right lane slower, Left lane fastest, Keep yo' butt over, unless you passeth" BURMA SHAVE Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Matthew Rosenstock Cc: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:25 AM Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peace > > > Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > > I completely agree with the selfishness issue. But > > also,a little courtesy goes along way. LLPs (Left > > Lane P*ssies) are the most aggravating. Just move over > > and let people pass. We need signage that says "Stay > > right except to pass." > > > > I wrote to the MD SHA about the signs and they replied > > that it would disrupt traffic if a sign was erected. > > > > What a bunch of bull. The SHA is great for cleaning > > the roadway during snow and spending plenty of money > > paving roads that don't need it. However, a simple > > little sign is too disputive. > > > > > > Hmmm... While cruising the south I noted such signs, and my darling > daughter who lives down thar sez the law will write yo' ass up for > plugging the left lane. Maybe you should use the "additional tickee > revenue" approach. You also might mention that interstate speed limits > in the south are 70. YAHHOO!!! > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 11:20:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFGK9J10965 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from attglobal.net ([12.78.117.21]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001215161942.QTPJ2287.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:19:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3A3A44E6.EB91D3FF@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:20:54 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [ja] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: ja,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NC30 vs. NC29 References: <20001215083615.29468.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if these models were ever officially imported to US but they were popular model in Japan during early 90's. CBR400 has been discontinued but VFR400 is still available as RVF (NC-35), I think. I heard that its a popular model in UK as gray imports. But the Japanese domestic model have HP restriction and limited to 59 on earlier model and 53 HP on later model, although there are de-restricting kit from 3rd party. Which one is a more desirable bike? I'm guessing that CBR more like a rev happy racer replica and VFR has more mid range and multi-purpose. Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > Does anyone on the list know the statistical > differences between early 1990's Honda VFR 400s > (NC-30) and CBR 400s (NC-29) or any other related > information? > Which one is a more desirable bike? > > Thanks, > > Adam Reinhardt > '89 CBR 600F > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 13:11:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBFIBfJ12631 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:11:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001215181139.26485.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:11:38 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:11:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas To: Bill Huson , bergman@XXXXXX Cc: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > > bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Actually, I've had people here in VA pull over to let > > me pass too--but nowhere near DC! > > I've pulled off and let motorcycles pas, while on my > motorcycle. Hey, when you see a buncha crotch > rocketeers in your mirrors, all of them with the > testostrone induced wild-eyed look which means they > ain't been getting enough lately and fully intend to get > thier jollys on the twisty, *I* pull over and > let them rock and roll. well, you're a better man than most of the corks riding harleys we run up on. i can't tell you how many times we've come up on a line of traffic passing through a section of twisties only to pick 'em off one-by-one until we discover that the cause of the backup is some lean-challenged, braking-in-the-turns, RUB. my experience is that most vehicles (other than the ones described above) will pull over (or at least to the right edge of the road) and let a group of m/cs by once you are out in the country.... > > I think that politeness in driving behavior is > > inversely proportional to population density. agreed -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 13:29:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A0EF.pix.aol.com [152.163.160.239]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFIT4J12927 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.2.165.104]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14589 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBFIW7S11300 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:32:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:32:07 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Paper X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas In-Reply-To: <20001215181139.26485.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > well, you're a better man than most of the corks riding > harleys we run up on. i can't tell you how many times > we've come up on a line of traffic passing through a > section of twisties only to pick 'em off one-by-one until > we discover that the cause of the backup is some > lean-challenged, braking-in-the-turns, RUB. hey now ;) I don't brake in the turns, but getting my pig of a bike to lean is work :) (vulcan 1500 classic, and a person 5'7" 170lbs is probably a bad combo for deep leaning). I need to take one of those lean-challenged courses. > > > I think that politeness in driving behavior is > > > inversely proportional to population density. > agreed Politeness in general is inversely proportional to population density. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Search Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 13:49:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFInZJ13239 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Vespa Question Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know all of you have been awaiting the re-introduction of the Vespa scooter to the United States with baited breath -- okay, maybe not *all* of you -- so I had a question that maybe someone here can answer. Are there any Vespa clubs or shops in the DC area? Any and all info would be appreciated. Probably better to do so off-list. thanks and bests, Erik klr650 a15 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 13:59:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFIxRJ13401 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05387 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:58:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904824000@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Vespa Question Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:58:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know there are some scooter clubs, but I don't know if they are brand specific. They showed up for the last racing weekend at Summit Point in 98 and 99 (may 00 too, I didn't go). They had a real party and got to ride their scoots around the track. They had kegs of beer and a big bonfire. They burned a moped one year in the bonfire and something else the year before (98 is very hazy - I think I had a REALLY good time...). They also took turns jumping through the fire. It was a good (though weird) party. Young folks with purple hair and lots of piercings. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ eschelzig@XXXXXX said: I know all of you have been awaiting the re-introduction of the Vespa scooter to the United States with baited breath -- okay, maybe not *all* of you -- so I had a question that maybe someone here can answer. Are there any Vespa clubs or shops in the DC area? Any and all info would be appreciated. Probably better to do so off-list. thanks and bests, Erik klr650 a15 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 14:07:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFJ7UJ13563 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G5M00D01ICK8T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:05:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G5M00D09ICK8K@XXXXXX>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:05:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G5M00901ICHTD@XXXXXX>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:05:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G5M00901IBZO7@XXXXXX>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:05:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G5M007DEIBDIC@XXXXXX>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:04:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:04:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: buyer warning: Botach Tactical To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3A3A6B3A.A0F2174@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Apologies for the cross posts, but I need to pass on a warning here. Somebody posted a link for a pair of Magnum WaterProof boots at Botach Tactical's website. Sounded like they'd make a good pair of riding boots. The price was good, I checked around, and placed my order. That was two months ago. A sent them an email asking what was up with my order. A week ago. I called their 800 Customer Service Number. It said their operators are available from 7am to 3pm PST. I called during that timeframe, and I'm getting this recording. I left a message. I'm not holding my breath. I think I need to call my credit card company. This is no way to run a business. Just thought a couple hundred of my closest friends ought to know... For the morbidly curious, the website is http://botachtactical.com/ Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 14:21:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11002.mail.yahoo.com (web11002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBFJLNJ13777 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:21:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001215192120.6321.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11002.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:21:20 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This could help http://members.aol.com/doggiesnot/ Trey --- Dave Paper wrote: > On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > well, you're a better man than most of the corks > riding > > harleys we run up on. i can't tell you how many > times > > we've come up on a line of traffic passing through > a > > section of twisties only to pick 'em off > one-by-one until > > we discover that the cause of the backup is some > > lean-challenged, braking-in-the-turns, RUB. > > hey now ;) I don't brake in the turns, but getting > my pig of a bike to > lean is work :) (vulcan 1500 classic, and a person > 5'7" 170lbs is probably > a bad combo for deep leaning). I need to take one > of those > lean-challenged courses. > > > > > I think that politeness in driving behavior is > > > > inversely proportional to population density. > > agreed > > Politeness in general is inversely proportional to > population density. > > -dave > > -- > Dave Paper AOL Search Operations > cerberus@XXXXXX > MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay > It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on > computers and drugs > are both called "users". --Unknown > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 14:43:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFJhLJ14086 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:43:09 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F780159@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Signals, lane changes & world peace Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:44:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain FWIW, I use turnsignals habitually. It rarely causes a problem but mostly it results in a positive response. Courtesy is contagious but ackk, rudeness is a plague. BeGeek pontificated, "People who don't use their turn signals need a swift kick in the nuts. Not that this is a pet peeve or anything." Yeah, or some other sensitive spot -- like the side of their head. Chris carped, "Nor do they even SEE the motorcycle around them to begin with ... :-(" Be conspicuous; lane placement and add a pair of driving lights: If the BDCs see you, they are more likely to avoid you. I've had a pair of Pilot fogs on my Sabre for a couple of years; they see me coming. And I can let em know I'm serious with a pair of tooters ($20 - 30) from Pep Boys. Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg FWIW: Auto Zone has (one less pair of ) Pilot 1088B driving lights for $19.99!! They're going on the 'Ceptor (was Sean's -- didja get the bike cover?) These lights project a tight yellow rectangular beam ~ 8 x 3 degrees. 55 watt H-3 bulbs, relay and switch included. Or Wall-Mart has Rally? brand ~$18 also 55 watt H-3 bulbs, relay and switch included. Dan Brown noted, "Riding in Vermont earlier this year I was /very/ surprised to see cars on 2 lane roads (twisty ones even ;-) pulling over and letting motorcycles go by. Its like... this is how life /should/ be." You'll se the same thing in east, central-Texas -- ironically, near Houston, home of some of the most aggressive drivers in the world. Carl in Bethesda (sheese, I should be gettin' a commission) Who rode yesterday? -- Not me; too tame -- went Xmas shopping with the spousal unit . . . at Tyson's =8^O From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 14:52:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pbmx1.mis.semi.harris.com (pbmx1.mis.semi.harris.com [132.158.202.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFJqkJ14241 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by pbmx1.mis.semi.harris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:54:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Barge, Bruce" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: LDRider: buyer warning: Botach Tactical Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:56:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't let this dissuade you from your original decision on the Magnum H20 proofs. They are B2 tested and approved. Don't leave home without them. B2 -Somebody posted a link for a pair of Magnum WaterProof boots at Botach Tactical's website. Sounded like they'd make a good pair of riding boots. The price was good, I checked around, and placed my order. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. are at http://www.ldriders.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 15:51:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFKpeJ15182 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-35.patriot.net [209.249.181.35]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBFKpOv24481; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3A8364.8DD49D86@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:47:32 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: bergman@XXXXXX, Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas References: <20001215181139.26485.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > well, you're a better man than most of the corks riding > harleys we run up on. i can't tell you how many times > we've come up on a line of traffic passing through a > section of twisties only to pick 'em off one-by-one until > we discover that the cause of the backup is some > lean-challenged, braking-in-the-turns, RUB. > Well, I do have an advantage - I rarely if ever ride in a pack, so making pass space is easy. And I've spent a few bucks improving the suspension on the Hawg and can drag stuff in corners but most of the time I'm cruising. Truth is I'm a lech, hard to ogle the chicks when you're blasting past at 100+. I even wear a full-face so my tongue doesn't get sunburned :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 15:57:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFKv4J15269 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-35.patriot.net [209.249.181.35]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBFKqwv24749; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3A83C2.E55BD6C2@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:49:06 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Tanner, Linda" CC: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Vespa Question References: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904824000@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tanner, Linda wrote: > I know there are some scooter clubs, but I don't know if they are brand > specific. They showed up for the last racing weekend at Summit Point in 98 > and 99 (may 00 too, I didn't go). They had a real party and got to ride > their scoots around the track. They had kegs of beer and a big bonfire. > They burned a moped one year in the bonfire and something else the year > before (98 is very hazy - I think I had a REALLY good time...). They also > took turns jumping through the fire. It was a good (though weird) party. > Young folks with purple hair and lots of piercings. > DAMN! Now that sounds like a decent party! My next ride may be a scooter! Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 16:05:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFL5rJ15443 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14722r-0004YT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:05:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas In-Reply-To: <3A3A8364.8DD49D86@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > Well, I do have an advantage - I rarely if ever ride in a pack, so > making pass space is easy. And I've spent a few bucks improving the > suspension on the Hawg and can drag stuff in corners but most of the > time I'm cruising. Truth is I'm a lech, hard to ogle the chicks when > you're blasting past at 100+. I even wear a full-face so my tongue > doesn't get sunburned :-) > > Bill > So that's what you meant by a curvy road. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 17:29:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFMTgJ16655 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [172.16.50.2]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03631 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:11:27 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001215172844.02a13590@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:29:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Just checking In-Reply-To: References: <3A3A8364.8DD49D86@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Please excuse this test message ... ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 17:44:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rmx452-mta.mail.com (rmx452-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFMipJ16872 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from web277-ec (web277-ec.mail.com [165.251.32.153]) by rmx452-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15379 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:44:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384849030.976920285324.JavaMail.root@web277-ec> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:44:44 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Rouse To: DC Cycles List Subject: sales ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 168.191.74.90 Ride 78 suzi GS750 seat on way from california Need cover .Are you in parts or do you know where I saw replacement seat skins for $34 about what my budget would stand every where I look now that I need one much too expensive.Next year 50 years on bikes.Thanks for any help you can offer Bob Rouse ----------------------------------------------- FREE! 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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:06:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well, that was a pretty cryptic message, but perhaps I can help. I highly recommend Sargent for seats and seat coverings. Check them out at http://www.sargentcycle.com/. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Rouse To: DC Cycles List Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: sales ? > Ride 78 suzi GS750 seat on way from california Need cover .Are you in parts > or do you know where I saw replacement seat skins for $34 about what my > budget would stand every where I look now that I need one much too > expensive.Next year 50 years on bikes.Thanks for any help you can offer > Bob Rouse > > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 18:48:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFNmaJ17868 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA15442; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:48:28 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from david500 (w054.z064000083.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.83.54]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA10312; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:48:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002501c066f1$19d031c0$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: "DC Cycles List" References: <384849030.976920285324.JavaMail.root@web277-ec> Subject: Re: sales ? Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:45:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'd your messages off to LAG before posting next time. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Rouse" To: "DC Cycles List" Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: sales ? > Ride 78 suzi GS750 seat on way from california Need cover .Are you in parts > or do you know where I saw replacement seat skins for $34 about what my > budget would stand every where I look now that I need one much too > expensive.Next year 50 years on bikes.Thanks for any help you can offer > Bob Rouse > > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 20:48:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f3.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBG1mpJ19731 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:48:42 -0800 Received: from 165.247.85.157 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 01:48:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.157] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 01:48:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 01:48:42.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[51A04F70:01C06702] Or buy any Honda PC-800 made in 1996 or before... with self canceling turn signals! ;-) >From: "Rob Keiser" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Signals, lane changes & world peas >Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:42:24 -0500 > >Damn! Another broken 'Delete' key. That's the third one this week. > >I think the vast majority of us agree that signaling is a good idea. Just >push the button to cancel them! It's not that difficult. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 21:51:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBG2pLJ20694 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-212-25.s279.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.212.25] helo=208.58.212.25) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 1477RO-0001DI-00 ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3ADA3C.45FF@starpower.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:58:04 -0500 From: "Paul A. Wilson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Vespa Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > I know all of you have been awaiting the re-introduction of the Vespa > scooter to the United States with baited breath -- okay, maybe not *all* of > you -- so I had a question that maybe someone here can answer. Are there > any Vespa clubs or shops in the DC area? Any and all info would be > appreciated. Probably better to do so off-list. > > thanks and bests, > > Erik > > klr650 a15 There's Mopedland in Alexandria (just off Rt. 1) that's a Vespa dealer, or so I thought. A friend of mine in DC has one stuffed in his garage, If he ever gets the thing registered and insured, I'd like to take it for a spin. It's a 150, so legally speaking it needs to be registered as a MC and you must have an endorsement to ride it, at least in DC. Paul in DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 22:10:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f9.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBG39xJ20925 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:09:51 -0800 Received: from 165.247.85.157 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:09:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.157] From: "Doug Allis" To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:09:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 03:09:51.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7EBD420:01C0670D] >I think the knock on self canceling signals on motorcycles is that they >work >badly. Hmmm. I think it depends on the design. I have self canceling signals on my 1996 PC-800. This system always turns off the signals. If I go around a corner they shut off almost as soon as I straighten up -- based on lean angle. If I use them for a lane change they go off within three tenths of a mile... regardless if I make the lane change. If I do the lane change quickly they usually go off as soon as I straighten out. Sometimes they go off before I make the turn. This means that I hit the signal before I really needed to. I can always turn them off and there is no leaving the signal on while riding down the highway with these. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 22:13:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f85.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBG3DbJ21006 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:13:29 -0800 Received: from 165.247.85.157 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:13:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.157] From: "Doug Allis" To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Signals, lane changes & world peas Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:13:29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 03:13:29.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A0DBB80:01C0670E] >I think it also has a timer to turn it off (20 seconds?), but that isn't >good >either, because all of a sudden your blinker will turn itself off when >you're sitting at an intersection waiting to turn left. > My PC's signals never shut off automatically unless the motorcycle is moving. A timer is NOT a good design. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 00:08:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rmx614-mta.mail.com (rmx614-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBG58uJ22699 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web617-ec.mail.com (web617-ec.mail.com [165.251.32.96]) by rmx614-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA09421 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:08:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <382522371.976943332395.JavaMail.root@web617-ec.mail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:08:51 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Rouse To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: suggestion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 158.252.76.9 Your name sounded commercial .Thanks for recommendation Seems Sargent is here in Fla.. Thanks again Bob Rouse ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 11:09:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBGG96J05820 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.aa.e89bf1b (4564); Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:08:58 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:08:58 EST Subject: Garmin III + for $99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, GTS-1000@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 127 Officedepot.com has the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. This unit normally sells in the $350 range. The website has them backordered with a projected delivery date of next week. Merry Christmas to me. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 14:21:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBGJLqJ08608 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.168.221.133]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:21:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3BC033.E9A0DEDD@cox.rr.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:19:15 -0500 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anybody used this one? How is it? Thanks, Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > Officedepot.com has the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. This unit normally sells in > the $350 range. The website has them backordered with a projected delivery > date of next week. Merry Christmas to me. > > Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 15:36:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBGKaKJ09725 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [172.16.50.2]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11637 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:36:11 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001216153337.01ff9790@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:35:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Not enough HP? Check this out... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.marineturbine.com/y2kinnov.htm Teasers: Weight: 460 pounds Engine: Allison Rolls Royce 250 Gas Turbine Power: 320 hp @ 52,000 rpm (286 hp @ rear wheel) Output RPM: 6,000 rpm Torque: 425 ft lbs @ 2,000 rpm Estimated Top Speed: 250 mph 1/4 Mile: 9.80 @ 160 mph 0-200 mph in 15.0 sec. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr (non turbine powered) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 16:18:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f138.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBGLI4J10357 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:17:56 -0800 Received: from 209.70.39.9 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:17:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.9] From: "Perry Coleman" To: lmeyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:17:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 21:17:56.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8A08210:01C067A5] Unless I'm missing something, they no longer have this special. I just checked a few minutes ago and the Garmin units are all at the "normal" price. Perhaps they had a brief sale, or someone screwed up and posted an incorrect price. Perry >From: Larry Meyer >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:19:15 -0500 > >Has anybody used this one? How is it? > >Thanks, >Larry Meyer >Annandale, VA >1997 Bandit 1200 > >FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Officedepot.com has the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. This unit normally >sells in > > the $350 range. The website has them backordered with a projected >delivery > > date of next week. Merry Christmas to me. > > > > Fred Grefe > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 16:20:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBGLKDJ10442 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:20:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001216212010.22006.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.213.143] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:20:10 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 To: Larry Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Meyer wrote: > Has anybody used this one? How is it? I've used a Garmin III+ for about 2 years now. For my purposes, it works great. It has most of the major roadways (Interstates, State Highways, State Routes, main roads), and with the Roads and Recreation CD, you can download several counties with just about every street in them. (About 1.5 meg total, maybe 6-10 counties depending on how big they are). On Interstates, if you highlight an exit you can find out about gas stations, hotels, restaurants, and things like that. The Street Pilot is the next "Higher" model. It has a bigger screen, and can give some more precise information. For example, if you have two waypoints in the III+, it will give you "as the crow flies" mileage between them, and the ETA is the mileage divided by your current speed. With the SP, you can specify which roads you will take so it will give you exact mileage, and it knows your average speed on specific kinds of roads and can give you a better ETA. You also download map sections onto a chip which can hold more information (such as hotels, restaurants, etc). There are chips available upto 128 MB ($$ goes up of course). I've used the III+ on a few 24 hour rallies, as well as whenever I'm going to an area I'm not familiar with. The moving map is a great feature, and has gotten me out of NYC when I was lost (and the people giving directions weren't much help). I've used it to alert me a mile in advance when I need to take turns, so I don't have to look down for directions all the time. (I have a mount from Saeng/TA that puts the GPS in my field of view without looking down) Another feature I like is that when I have it hooked up to the bike's battery, it will tell me the current voltage. Fire up the Widder and the Auxillary lights, and see the reading drop... let's me know if I'm still generating enough power. If you want more information about something I'm not covering, let me know. I wrote an article about GPSs (specifically the III+) for the Concourier (Concours Owners Group Magazine) and can send you a copy. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 17:07:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBGM7eJ11102 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001216220736.PIGU10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:07:36 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c067aa$03dd2620$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <3A391684.D3F8F593@radix.net> <3A3918F9.D53DDF1C@home.com> <0012141428290E.17613@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: electrical question Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:49:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 You just have to hope that they're not using the same tactic. -James > I simply rely on the laws of physics... at least when I'm driving my 4500lbs > Tundra 4x4. When the sudden realization that, "no... that big black pickup is > not going to stop changing lanes even though I'm exercising my > god-given-right to rule to road with my brat-in-the-back overgrown > stationwagon" makes it into their little pinheads, they hit the brakes. > > - Roach > > -- > From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 17:14:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBGMEmJ11213 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25351 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03080 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.188]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G5OLS700.QGK for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:14:31 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Garmin III + for $99 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I just backordered one for $99. > -----Original Message----- > From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:18 PM > To: lmeyer@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 > > > Unless I'm missing something, they no longer have this special. I just > checked a few minutes ago and the Garmin units are all at the "normal" > price. Perhaps they had a brief sale, or someone screwed up and posted an > incorrect price. > > Perry > > >From: Larry Meyer > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 > >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:19:15 -0500 > > > >Has anybody used this one? How is it? > > > >Thanks, > >Larry Meyer > >Annandale, VA > >1997 Bandit 1200 > > > >FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Officedepot.com has the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. This unit normally > >sells in > > > the $350 range. The website has them backordered with a projected > >delivery > > > date of next week. Merry Christmas to me. > > > > > > Fred Grefe > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 20:27:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBH1RMJ14116 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:27:14 -0800 Received: from 63.49.138.126 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:27:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.49.138.126] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-Moto - 1 case of Kahlua FS Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:27:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2000 01:27:14.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C77F3D0:01C067C8]
Hey DC Guys & Gals,
 
12 liter-sized bottles of  Kahlua coffee liqueur, the whole case is yours for $250, cash only. No, I will not break the case. No, I will not take $225.  I'll send it back if it doesn't move by Monday. Reason for sale: I was delivered more than I ordered.
 
This is a perfect idea for those last minute Christmas gifts that are sure to please. No long lines, no parking hassles. Your Christmas buying woes are over! Located in Arlington (Rtes 50/120). This is a deal, especially for you VA people.
 
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From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 21:32:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBH2WiJ15064 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.54.d63ed60 (2176) for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <54.d63ed60.276d7fc4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:32:36 EST Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.d63ed60.276d7fc4_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 148 --part1_54.d63ed60.276d7fc4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anybody used this one? How is it? I have many happy miles with mine Michael J. --part1_54.d63ed60.276d7fc4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anybody used this one?  How is it?

I have many happy miles with mine

Michael J.
--part1_54.d63ed60.276d7fc4_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 17 02:12:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBH7CMJ19908 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 02:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001217071220.XGGW10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:12:20 -0800 Message-ID: <009101c067f5$999e22e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC-CYCLES \(E-mail\)" References: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E904824000@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> Subject: Re: Vespa Question Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:50:07 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Check this link out. http://www.motostrada.com/saintssc/index.html -James > I know all of you have been awaiting the re-introduction of the Vespa > scooter to the United States with baited breath -- okay, maybe not *all* of > you -- so I had a question that maybe someone here can answer. Are there > any Vespa clubs or shops in the DC area? Any and all info would be > appreciated. Probably better to do so off-list. > > thanks and bests, > > Erik > > klr650 a15 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 17 08:06:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBHD6jJ25235 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28635 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA14853 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:06:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001217130640.5295.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.43.108] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 05:06:40 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 05:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Garmin III + for $99 To: Gary Foreman , Dc-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i believe that's what i did too....i was hoping that they would just go ahead and charge my cc the $99 and be done with it, but so far my cost on the backordered $99 item is $0. i'm somewhat comforted by the fact that my order sheet lists their sale price. many thanks to fred grefe for pointing out this special to us, even if it falls through in the end. --- Gary Foreman wrote: > I just backordered one for $99. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:18 PM > > To: lmeyer@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 > > > > Unless I'm missing something, they no longer have this > > special. I just checked a few minutes ago and the Garmin > > units are all at the "normal" price. Perhaps they had a > > brief sale, or someone screwed up and posted an > > incorrect price. > > > > >FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Officedepot.com has the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. > > > This unit normally sells in the $350 range. The > > > website has them backordered with a projected > > > delivery date of next week. Merry Christmas to me. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 17 13:42:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBHIghJ00317 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29227 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18229 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.187]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G5Q6MS00.TBB; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:42:28 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Garmin III + for $99 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:43:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20001217130640.5295.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, I spoke with their Customer Service and was told they would HAVE to honor it. I printed all the pages just in case. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:07 AM > To: Gary Foreman; Dc-Cycles > Subject: RE: Garmin III + for $99 > > > i believe that's what i did too....i was hoping that they > would just go ahead and charge my cc the $99 and be done > with it, but so far my cost on the backordered $99 item is > $0. i'm somewhat comforted by the fact that my order sheet > lists their sale price. > > many thanks to fred grefe for pointing out this special to > us, even if it falls through in the end. > > > > --- Gary Foreman wrote: > > I just backordered one for $99. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:18 PM > > > To: lmeyer@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 > > > > > > Unless I'm missing something, they no longer have this > > > special. I just checked a few minutes ago and the > Garmin > > > units are all at the "normal" price. Perhaps they had a > > > > brief sale, or someone screwed up and posted an > > > incorrect price. > > > > > > >FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Officedepot.com has the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. > > > > This unit normally sells in the $350 range. The > > > > website has them backordered with a projected > > > > delivery date of next week. Merry Christmas to me. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 17 15:00:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBHK0jJ01482 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29594 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:00:42 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19304 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 7.76.606ea08 (3940); Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:00:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <76.606ea08.276e7557@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:00:23 EST Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 To: fj1100@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 127 The website now has them listed at $289. I tried taking my printout to Walmart and BestBuy to see if they'd match the price, but they want a store receipt. The guy at BestBuy said "Holy shit!" and went off in search of an Internet connection so he could order one. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 17 17:04:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBHM44J03223 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.16.64a8de9 (4456) for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:03:47 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16.64a8de9.276e9243@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:03:47 EST Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 I ordered 3....two will probably go up for grabs upon arrival.... :) I think eBay-ing them should get me a nice return on my investment. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 17 17:21:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBHMLkJ03502 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-207.s207.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.207] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 147mBb-00056a-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c06877$df033460$cf6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <16.64a8de9.276e9243@aol.com> Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:22:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I tried to order, but they said they were out of stock, discontinued, non-raincheckable, buy something else. Oh well. Maybe Sean is fealing generous? :) Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Garmin III + for $99 > I ordered 3....two will probably go up for grabs upon arrival.... :) > I think eBay-ing them should get me a nice return on my investment. > > Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 07:55:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f285.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.160]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBICtgJ17232 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:55:34 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:55:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Garmin III + for $99 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:55:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2000 12:55:34.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF58E350:01C068F1] From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:08:58 EST Subject: Garmin III + for $99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, GTS-1000@XXXXXX Officedepot.com has the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. This unit normally sells in the $350 range. The website has them backordered with a projected delivery date of next week. Merry Christmas to me. Fred Grefe ----------------------------------------------------- I just checked out the website and the only unit I saw for close to what you paid was the "Garmin eMap Deluxe Global Positioning System Receiver" priced at $99.88 from $381.80. The III+ is listed at $289.99 from $571.80. Hope this doesn't turn out to be like that HarborFreight Tire Changer deal, where you need to buy maybe the chip-set or the antennae. Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 10:28:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mail.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIFShJ19509 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id 2.35.e3d1f01 (15888) for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:28:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:28:27 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: NY Show To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <35.e3d1f01.276f871b@aol.com> Anyone (Anita, maybe, hopefully ;-) ) putting together the annual bus trip to the NY Show in February? Just checking. If not, anyone planning on riding/caging it up there? Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 10:48:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIFmOJ19901 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjuct03503 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:48:23 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjuct26392 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:48:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:48:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Non-Moto - Any good Arlington/Alexandria eateries? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If anyone has any recommendations on nice places to eat in Arlington/Alexandria, I'd appreciate it if you passed them along. I'm looking for a place with good service/food, but casual; not ostentatious or over-kill. Also someplace that either has a good vegetarian selection, or a flexible kitchen. Please respond off-list. Thanks for your help. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 10:57:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIFvEJ20059 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQjuct11456 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:57:12 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjuct16356 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:57:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:57:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1234967468==_ma============" --============_-1234967468==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If I had to guess, someone put the price for the Garmin eMap Deluxe GPS Receiver on the GPS III+. Oops. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F WERA Novice #230 --============_-1234967468==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Office Depot / Garmin GPS's
If I had to guess, someone put the price for the Garmin eMap Deluxe GPS Receiver on the GPS III+. Oops.


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Sean Jordan
'93 Honda CBR1000F
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--============_-1234967468==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 11:28:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIGSFJ20524 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.170]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23881 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:28:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3E3B42.8498299A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:28:50 -0500 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Garmin eMap Deluxe at www.officedepot.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, Office Depot is still showing a "too good to be true" $99.88 price for the Garmin eMap Deluxe GPS unit (list price $381.80). And it's showing as "in stock" (it wasn't previously). If you go to www.garmin.com and compare the eMap Deluxe to the III+, they are pretty comparable. If you weren't fast/lucky enough after Fred's original post to order the III+ for $99.88 (it's now priced at $289.99 at www.officedepot.com), you might want to consider the eMap. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 11:46:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIGkaJ20824 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.170]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06603 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:46:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3E3F91.14EC38CB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:47:13 -0500 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Pirelli Dragon Evos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was wondering if anyone in the group has actually ridden on these? Note that I am not talking about the Dragon Evo Corsas, which are a DOT-legal race tire that are better suited for track riding (and the one data point I have for using these on the street -- even hard/aggressive/fast backroads twisties -- is not very favorable). I'll be putting on new rubber sometime before the riding season (for weenies like me, that means when the weather gets warmer!) Although I've been perfectly happy with my Bridgestone BT56SS's (and common sense/rationality says to stick with them), I'm considering trying a different set of tires just to give something else a try. My understanding is that the Dragon Evos are Pirelli's equivalent "supersport" tire to the BT56SS and Michelin Pilot Sport. The UK and US mags have had good things to say about the Evos. But I'm looking for some first-hand experience/feedback. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 11:50:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f202.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIGofJ20911 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:50:27 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:50:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Garmin eMap Deluxe at www.officedepot.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:50:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2000 16:50:27.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FBBB2A0:01C06912] Chuck, Unfortuntely, the eMap is "out of stock" and "not backorderable" even though it shows a 3-day delivery for it... I've been checking, off and on, since yesterday evening. I just re-checked after receiving your e-mail. I think they screwed up royally; not anticipating the demand this pricing was likely to cause. Perry >From: Chuck Pena >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Garmin eMap Deluxe at www.officedepot.com >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:28:50 -0500 > >FYI, Office Depot is still showing a "too good to be true" $99.88 price >for the Garmin eMap Deluxe GPS unit (list price $381.80). And it's >showing as "in stock" (it wasn't previously). If you go to >www.garmin.com and compare the eMap Deluxe to the III+, they are pretty >comparable. If you weren't fast/lucky enough after Fred's original post >to order the III+ for $99.88 (it's now priced at $289.99 at >www.officedepot.com), you might want to consider the eMap. > >Chuck _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 12:09:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBIH9SJ21148 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:09:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001218170925.29686.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:09:25 PST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:09:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pirelli Dragon Evos To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i haven't tried or even heard of the dragon evos. but, i can offer my opinion (of course!) ... pirellis always seem to have a cheaper metzeler twin with a different tread pattern (pirelli owns metzeler, or vice versa) ... and they seem to always be 1.5 times more expensive than comparable dunlop/bridgestone rubber. because of the latter, i'll never buy another pirelli tire unless i'm again stranded in the boonies with no other options. why throw away good money when you're using the best (and cheapest) sticky street tires on teh market? --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Was wondering if anyone in the group has actually ridden > on these? Note that I am not talking about the Dragon > Evo Corsas, which are a DOT-legal race tire that are > better suited for track riding (and the one data > point I have for using these on the street -- even > hard/aggressive/fast backroads twisties -- is not very > favorable). I'll be putting on new rubber sometime > before the riding season (for weenies like me, that > means when the weather gets warmer!) Although I've been > perfectly happy with my Bridgestone BT56SS's (and common > sense/rationality says to stick with them), I'm > considering trying a different set of tires just to give > something else a try. My understanding is that the > Dragon Evos are Pirelli's equivalent "supersport" tire to > the BT56SS and Michelin Pilot Sport. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 12:15:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIHFXJ21303 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19942; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:09:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Chuck Pena" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Garmin eMap Deluxe at www.officedepot.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:17:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A3E3B42.8498299A@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Not in stock at Office Depot as of one minute ago... Chris Weaver -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:29 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Garmin eMap Deluxe at www.officedepot.com FYI, Office Depot is still showing a "too good to be true" $99.88 price for the Garmin eMap Deluxe GPS unit (list price $381.80). And it's showing as "in stock" (it wasn't previously). If you go to www.garmin.com and compare the eMap Deluxe to the III+, they are pretty comparable. If you weren't fast/lucky enough after Fred's original post to order the III+ for $99.88 (it's now priced at $289.99 at www.officedepot.com), you might want to consider the eMap. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 12:20:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIHKTJ21390 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Vespa Question Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:20:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Point of information: Baited breath is a condition common among ice fishermen who use desperate measures to keep their worms alive. Moto content: My first ride on two wheels was a Cushman owned by the neighborhood paperboy. I think I'm nostalgic for two-strokes. Not to be confused with that obsession described in "Silence of the Cams". Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: eschelzig@XXXXXX > > I know all of you have been awaiting the re-introduction of the Vespa > scooter to the United States with baited breath -- okay, maybe not *all* of > you -- so I had a question that maybe someone here can answer. Are there > any Vespa clubs or shops in the DC area? Any and all info would be > appreciated. Probably better to do so off-list. > > thanks and bests, > > Erik > > klr650 a15 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 14:28:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIJSjJ23391 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id a.a0.da1884a (7319); Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:28:24 EST Subject: Road hazard-discussion To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Here in the Mid-Atlantic region we recently had our first winter storm (ice/sleet). The various highway departments did a good job of treating the roads. My riding normally takes me into three adjoining states--Md.,Va, and WV. Each of those states treats the roads differnently. Maryland uses salt alone. Virginia uses a sand and salt mixture. West Virginia uses a salt and pea gravel mixture. Now in the aftermath of the ice storm would be fair to say that they have a obligation to clean up the gravel, sand, and leftover salt pellets? If I were hauling a load of gravel, for instance, and spilled part of it on the roadway, I think I would be legally obligated to clean it up. Or to put another way, by reducing a hazaed for one group of road users, havn't they created a hazard for another group? What do you think? Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 14:44:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIJikJ23636 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBIJieI4209142 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:44:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3E6920.BAB28811@radix.net> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:44:32 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road hazard-discussion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > Here in the Mid-Atlantic region we recently had our first winter storm > (ice/sleet). The various highway departments did a good job of treating the > roads. My riding normally takes me into three adjoining states--Md.,Va, and > WV. Each of those states treats the roads differnently. Maryland uses salt > alone. Virginia uses a sand and salt mixture. West Virginia uses a salt and > pea gravel mixture. > Now in the aftermath of the ice storm would be fair to say that they have a > obligation to clean up the gravel, sand, and leftover salt pellets? It would be fair to say, but it won't happen... > If I were > hauling a load of gravel, for instance, and spilled part of it on the > roadway, I think I would be legally obligated to clean it up. Correct, but that's because you're you, and the Governments are, well, them. It's not fair, but that's the way it is. Democracy: gotta love it. > Or to put another way, by reducing a hazaed for one group of road users, > havn't they created a hazard for another group? Actually, the same hazard you allude to exists for all motorists, just more so for bikers than for BDC's. > What do you think? Not sure I want to open this can, my taxes are high enough, thank you very much. I'm not sure I want an additional street sweeping surcharge added on. OTOH, I know those road treatments can be pretty hazardous post weather event... good question... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 15:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIK8fJ24022 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-213-40.s548.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.213.40] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 1486a7-0007WT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:08:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c0692d$87f99720$0ed63ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: Road hazard-discussion Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:02:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I agree that sanding the roads is not very motorcycle friendly, but cleaning up after each storm is probably impractical. I would tend to stick to the main roads with sufficient traffic to whip the stuff off to the side. It's yet another example of motorcyclists being a "minority" road user, so it is we who must adapt and be ever vigilant to all manner of road conditions. This is part of a much larger topic. Often highway departments and their contractors simply don't consider motorcyclists when making decisions about maintenance and repair procedures. A pet peeve of mine are the numerous and often unmarked edge traps that appear during repaving operations. A highway crew taking the time to mark edge traps with orange paint would be a big benefit to all road users, not just motorcyclists. VDOT's asphalt patches that extend for about one third of the lane width and terminate in a prominent lip are a hazard. Encountering one of these in a turn and suddenly finding one's lane width dramatically reduced is not fun. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: > Here in the Mid-Atlantic region we recently had our first winter storm > (ice/sleet). The various highway departments did a good job of treating the > roads. .. > Now in the aftermath of the ice storm would be fair to say that they have a > obligation to clean up the gravel, sand, and leftover salt pellets? .. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 15:58:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIKw1J24797 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-14.patriot.net [209.249.181.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBIKvnZ19036; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:57:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3E795F.124AB4F5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:53:51 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road hazard-discussion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Here in the Mid-Atlantic region we recently had our first winter storm > (ice/sleet). The various highway departments did a good job of treating the > roads. My riding normally takes me into three adjoining states--Md.,Va, and > WV. Each of those states treats the roads differnently. Maryland uses salt > alone. Virginia uses a sand and salt mixture. West Virginia uses a salt and > pea gravel mixture. > Now in the aftermath of the ice storm would be fair to say that they have a > obligation to clean up the gravel, sand, and leftover salt pellets? If I were > hauling a load of gravel, for instance, and spilled part of it on the > roadway, I think I would be legally obligated to clean it up. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-HEEHEEHEEHEE-HARHARHAR Surely you jest. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 00:10:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJ55Lf03836 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26978 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:15:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:15:40 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Garmin GPS III+ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just walked into my local Office Depot this afternoon (Monday) and bought a GPS III+ for $99.88 off the shelf. Pretty good deal, thanks people. This list just paid for itself! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 00:24:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.epe.org ([204.91.163.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJ5OBh00568 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:24:12 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:21:10 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/18/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: uboser@XXXXXX (Ulrich Boser) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To Whom It May Concern: I am no longer with Education Week. If you wish to contact me, please do so at ulrichboser@XXXXXX. Thank you, ub From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 00:28:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fastandwily.com ([4.21.66.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJ5Sth00695 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:28:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:57:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200012181757.AA52494538@fastandwily.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Scott Luttrell" Reply-To: To: Subject: YSR for sale X-Mailer: '89 YSR50 352 miles, like new, $2200 email for photos to scott@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 06:13:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJBD4h06734 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBJBD1I4663305 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:13:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3F42B5.D3670D86@radix.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:12:53 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: Road hazard-discussion References: <003901c0692d$87f99720$0ed63ad0@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > I agree that sanding the roads is not very motorcycle friendly, but cleaning > up after each storm is probably impractical. I would tend to stick to the > main roads with sufficient traffic to whip the stuff off to the side. It's > yet > another example of motorcyclists being a "minority" road user, so it is we > who must adapt and be ever vigilant to all manner of road conditions. Maybe we should contact Jesse Jackson... > This is part of a much larger topic. Often highway departments and their > contractors simply don't consider motorcyclists when making decisions about > maintenance and repair procedures. A pet peeve of mine are the numerous and > often unmarked edge traps that appear during repaving operations. A highway > crew taking the time to mark edge traps with orange paint would be a big > benefit to all road users, not just motorcyclists. VDOT's asphalt patches > that extend for about one third of the lane width and terminate in a > prominent lip are a hazard. Encountering one of these in a turn and > suddenly finding one's lane width dramatically reduced is not fun. BTDTGTTS. MDOT is no prize. They ripped up the bottom third of an exit ramp onto the beltway one night, just the last part of the turn, and where it straightens out to merge... the next day I was rolling through the exit, got to the usual place where I roll on the throttle, & about a second later I saw it. A second after that I hit it or rather fell off it at pretty good lean & about 55 mph... Much to my surprise, although I lost rear traction, I stayed upright & rode through it. Moral - don't play on exit ramps... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 07:00:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJC0Bh07466 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-28.patriot.net [209.249.181.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBJC02Z14199; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:00:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3F4CD3.13D32B98@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:56:03 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: Road hazard-discussion References: <003901c0692d$87f99720$0ed63ad0@palladio> <3A3F42B5.D3670D86@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > BTDTGTTS. MDOT is no prize. They ripped up the bottom third of an > exit ramp onto the beltway one night, just the last part of the turn, > and where it straightens out to merge... the next day I was rolling > through the exit, got to the usual place where I roll on the throttle, & > about a second later I saw it. A second after that I hit it or rather > fell off it at pretty good lean & about 55 mph... Much to my surprise, > although I lost rear traction, I stayed upright & rode through it. > Moral - don't play on exit ramps... > VDOT did the same thing to the entrance ramp I use to get on 494 inner loop. This is the route I use when teaching MSF course at Loudoun campus, so I'm on the dern thang at dark-thirty in the AM. I saw the chewed off asphalt, slowed down and figure I'll bump up on the sholder at the end of the ramp and then ease over --- Yikes! Busted down abandoned van at the end of the ramp! Had to stop and wait for a hole in the raffic. Like, man, where are all these damn fools ging at 5:30 AM on a Sat??? Then, to make it interesting, a vehicle had sloshed desiel fuel out while G-forcing around the exit ramp onto Route 7. Me be cruising thru the ramp and saw the dark streak in the pre-dawn light (???) then the ass end goes *wiggle wiggle* YIKES! Try that on one cuppa cofffee. But the Hawg stayed upright. When I got to Loudoun my fellow instructor wuz checking the damage on his Wing. He uses the same route but wuz running the curve a little wider and did the El Dumpo. Moral - never play on exit ramsps Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 07:52:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9702.mail.yahoo.com (web9702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBJCqKh08188 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:52:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001219125213.22111.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.41] by web9702.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:52:13 PST Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:52:13 -0800 (PST) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Re: [stationary] Road hazard discussion To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >If I were > hauling a load of gravel, for instance, and spilled part of it on the > roadway, I think I would be legally obligated to clean it up. Well... *no one* sweeps up after car accidents. Why should anyone sweep up after Satan's minions, er, I mean, those big trucks that have every right to clog our roads. :) Maybe the Streets Department has less to do in my home town (no, that can't be it...), but you don't see piles of broken glass in every "bad" intersection there. At least we don't have the frost heave here. Nothing like a paved "woop" section that goes on for 10 miles. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 08:34:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f248.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.248]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJDYdh08753 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:34:31 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:34:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/18/00 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:34:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2000 13:34:31.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AACF110:01C069C0] From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:28:24 EST Subject: Road hazard-discussion To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX Here in the Mid-Atlantic region we recently had our first winter storm (ice/sleet). The various highway departments did a good job of treating the roads. My riding normally takes me into three adjoining states--Md.,Va, and WV. Each of those states treats the roads differnently. Maryland uses salt alone. Virginia uses a sand and salt mixture. West Virginia uses a salt and pea gravel mixture. Now in the aftermath of the ice storm would be fair to say that they have a obligation to clean up the gravel, sand, and leftover salt pellets? If I were hauling a load of gravel, for instance, and spilled part of it on the roadway, I think I would be legally obligated to clean it up. Or to put another way, by reducing a hazaed for one group of road users, havn't they created a hazard for another group? What do you think? Bob --------------------------------------------------------- You actually bring up a good point, and one I consider every spring as the weather warms enough to go West-Virginy canyon carving. It is a hazard to all vehicles and for varying reasons, motorcycles being the most susceptible. But you can still negotiate the roadways safely with the awareness of the hazard. Hey, that's what separates you from a mediocre rider ;-) But seriously, you won't get my vote on this unless we can find a way to a) keep the cost of clean up to next to zero and b) conserve what is cleaned up for another season. It just ain't worth it as after two or three heavy downpours, the sand and gravel tend to wash away. Thank you for your time ;-) Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 08:56:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJDuMh09082 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBJDuJI4598360 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:56:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3F68F8.2F659D86@radix.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:56:08 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/18/00 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer laid down the gauntlet: > It is a hazard to all vehicles and for varying reasons, motorcycles being > the most susceptible. But you can still negotiate the roadways safely with > the awareness of the hazard. Hey, that's what separates you from a mediocre > rider ;-) > > But seriously, you won't get my vote on this unless we can find a way to a) > keep the cost of clean up to next to zero and b) conserve what is cleaned up > for another season. It just ain't worth it as after two or three heavy > downpours, the sand and gravel tend to wash away. Ok, so as a supplement to the street sweeper, we'll have the 'street vac'. We'll just retro fit vacuum attachments to the street sweepers. Gonna have to work out a filtering system though, we don't want to be inhaling those pesky squirrels & rabbits... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 09:30:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJEUAh09682 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-28.patriot.net [209.249.181.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBJEU3Z30502; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:30:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3F6FFD.B6BE5539@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:26:05 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/18/00 References: <3A3F68F8.2F659D86@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Ok, so as a supplement to the street sweeper, we'll have the 'street > vac'. We'll just retro fit vacuum attachments to the street sweepers. > Gonna have to work out a filtering system though, we don't want to be > inhaling those pesky squirrels & rabbits... > And those of you who walk the streets of DC are in danger of being swept up by those street sweepers. DC maintenance scored one last year *slurp* Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 10:19:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJFJfh10451 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:19:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Road hazard-discussion Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:19:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Last Spring I asked that very question of the good folks with VDOT maintenance because I was trying to determine when my favorite local roads, between Lorton and Clifton, would be swept. There is a schedule and it does happen. Unfortunately they start too late and take too long, as far as I'm concerned, and they don't seem to clean up after big storms that wash more stuff onto the roadway. Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: McKeithen@XXXXXX > > Here in the Mid-Atlantic region we recently had our first winter storm > (ice/sleet). The various highway departments did a good job of treating the > roads. My riding normally takes me into three adjoining states--Md.,Va, and > WV. Each of those states treats the roads differnently. Maryland uses salt > alone. Virginia uses a sand and salt mixture. West Virginia uses a salt and > pea gravel mixture. > Now in the aftermath of the ice storm would be fair to say that they have a > obligation to clean up the gravel, sand, and leftover salt pellets? If I were > hauling a load of gravel, for instance, and spilled part of it on the > roadway, I think I would be legally obligated to clean it up. > Or to put another way, by reducing a hazaed for one group of road users, > havn't they created a hazard for another group? > What do you think? > > Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 11:01:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBJG1th11203 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 3480 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 08:01:47 -0800 Date: 19 Dec 2000 08:01:47 -0800 Message-ID: <20001219160147.3479.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Dec 2000 16:01:47 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 19 Dec 2000 08:01:47 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: additional list Hi all: for those of you who would like to discuss motorcycles, as well as other stuff occasionally, I have set up a sub-list of DC Cycles. PLEASE NOTE: this, by no means, replaces DC Cycles. If you join this list, you will be part of both groups. :-) Only on this new list, you'll be able to discuss more than motorcycles if you want. If you have any questions, please let me know. http://www.egroups.com/group/dccycles2 LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 11:41:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBJGf9h11788 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 18111 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 08:41:02 -0800 Date: 19 Dec 2000 08:41:02 -0800 Message-ID: <20001219164102.18110.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Dec 2000 16:41:02 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 19 Dec 2000 08:41:02 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: DC Cycles Web site feedback survey If you wouldn't mind, please take this quick 7 question survey to help Chris and I improve the DC Cycles Web site to better serve you. Thanks! :-) http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?9GG3T0RJKYMFH4LSEQ4CX4BL ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 13:40:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBJIeDh13739 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 24530 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 10:40:06 -0800 Date: 19 Dec 2000 10:40:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20001219184006.24529.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Dec 2000 18:40:06 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 19 Dec 2000 10:40:06 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: Newbies Only For all "newbies" please help me out by taking the following short survey. Thanks! :-) http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?PBB1YBMX4V5XVMSKG66RHLDC ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 13:44:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJIibh13823 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-217-121.s121.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.121] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 148RkI-0002OP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:44:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c069ea$c3dbce80$79d93ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001219160147.3479.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: additional list Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:36:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does this mean off topic posters to DC-Cycles will now be vigorously flogged? :) I guess I'm unsure why we need a sub list. Anyway, if we really want specificity, how about these setting up these newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dccycles.pets rec.motorcycles.dccycles.firearms rec.motorcycles.dccycles.pornnames [I'm sure there are more] Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: additional list > Hi all: for those of you who would like to discuss motorcycles, as well as other stuff occasionally, I have set up a sub-list of DC Cycles. PLEASE NOTE: this, by no means, replaces DC Cycles. If you join this list, you will be part of both groups. :-) Only on this new list, you'll be able to discuss more than motorcycles if you want. If you have any questions, please let me know. > > http://www.egroups.com/group/dccycles2 > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 13:49:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJInDh13920 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15736 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15825 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32441 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:49:02 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001219134722.028fa220@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:48:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: DC Guestbook cracking me up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Is "VINCE" on this list? Check out the dccycles.com guestbook if you haven't already, then check out Vince : http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/thevman/index.html I have never seen so many pics of one guy posing in all my life. What is the deal with Hains Point MC popularity? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 13:59:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJIx4h14092 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBJIwtI4558178 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:58:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3FAFF5.BD81D710@radix.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:59:01 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: additional list References: <20001219160147.3479.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <001901c069ea$c3dbce80$79d93ad0@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > > Does this mean off topic posters to DC-Cycles will now be vigorously > flogged? :) I guess I'm unsure why we need a sub list. Anyway, if we > really want specificity, how about these setting up these newsgroups: > > rec.motorcycles.dccycles.pets > rec.motorcycles.dccycles.firearms > rec.motorcycles.dccycles.pornnames > [I'm sure there are more] Yup, to supplement your list, Paul, how about - rec.motorcycles.dccycles.rear.brakes rec.motorcycles.dccycles.chain.lube rec.motorcycles.dccycles.tires rec.motorcycles.dccycles.hate.road.couches rec.motorcycles.dccycles.hate.crotch.rockets rec.motorcycles.dccycles.wave ;-) oBmoto: ? - will tires degrade while sitting (street Z rated radials) in storage ?? Just seems like each year after winter, they just don't stick as well... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 14:20:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web10003.mail.yahoo.com (web10003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBJJKkh14525 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:20:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001219192043.88759.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.91.146.34] by web10003.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:20:43 PST Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I successfully ordered (time will tell) a Gramin III+ from Office Depo yesterday afternoon for $99.99 (Office Depo item #900495) and a buddy of mine did so this morning. It's on backorder and may take from 14-21 days. The operator at 800 463-3768 was initially reluctant but when pushed admitted the pricing error and honored my request. Be certain to get a customer ID number and order conformation number. Herb '94 Magna __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 21:35:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBK2Zrh21211 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:35:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001219192905.19046.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:29:05 PST Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's To: Nomad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Nomad wrote: > I successfully ordered (time will tell) a Gramin III+ > from Office Depo yesterday > afternoon for $99.99 (Office Depo item #900495) and a > buddy of mine did so this morning. > It's on backorder and may take from 14-21 days. The > operator at 800 463-3768 was > initially reluctant but when pushed admitted the pricing > error and honored my request. > Be certain to get a customer ID number and order > conformation number. wow! that's, uh, great, i think. i sure hope you pushy bastards don't ruin it for the rest of us who legitimately got in on the sale! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 23:22:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBK4Mfh23380 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12508 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:22:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:22:37 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's In-Reply-To: <20001219192905.19046.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It seems that Office Depot is getting out of the GPS business. They are no longer taking orders as they are discontinuing carrying the item. Let us know if any of you get the items on back order. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't come in. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Nomad wrote: > > I successfully ordered (time will tell) a Gramin III+ > > from Office Depo yesterday > > afternoon for $99.99 (Office Depo item #900495) and a > > buddy of mine did so this morning. > > It's on backorder and may take from 14-21 days. The > > operator at 800 463-3768 was > > initially reluctant but when pushed admitted the pricing > > error and honored my request. > > Be certain to get a customer ID number and order > > conformation number. > > wow! that's, uh, great, i think. i sure hope you pushy > bastards don't ruin it for the rest of us who legitimately > got in on the sale! > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 07:44:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKCi0h02393 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id HAA19218; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:40:23 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma015521; Wed, 20 Dec 00 07:36:58 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0G5V00JP09SG5B@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:38:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:39:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's To: berman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 07:39:56 AM Also, I believe Garmin released their IPO yesterday ... It seems that Office Depot is getting out of the GPS business. They are no longer taking orders as they are discontinuing carrying the item. Let us know if any of you get the items on back order. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't come in. -Mb ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 08:12:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web905.mail.yahoo.com (web905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKDCEh02842 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22474 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2000 13:34:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20001220133445.22473.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web905.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:34:45 PST Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Before anyone asks . . . Yes, I did. To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Leon. '89 Ninja 250 (John Deere #97) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 08:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKDVXh03152 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:31:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:31:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200012200831.AA122945936@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Before anyone asks . . . Yes, I did. X-Mailer: Me, too. Though I took the sidecar rig. It was a blast doing donuts in the parking lot. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:34:45 -0800 (PST) > > >Leon. >'89 Ninja 250 (John Deere #97) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 08:58:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKDwZh03539 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:58:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001220135832.19243.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.38.180] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:58:32 PST Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:58:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's To: Morris Berman , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Morris Berman wrote: > It seems that Office Depot is getting out of the GPS > business. They are no longer taking orders as they are > discontinuing carrying the item. Let us know if any of > you get the items on back order. I wouldn't be surprised > if they don't come in. aren't you the one who walked into a local office depot and picked up a iii+ for $99? if you've got the time, i'd really like to have my nose rubbed in it a little more. thanks. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 09:37:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKEbrh04163 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05244 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:37:39 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001220093603.0299feb0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:37:23 -0500 To: DCCycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Before anyone asks . . . Yes, I did. In-Reply-To: <200012200831.AA122945936@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:31 AM 12/20/00, Chris Norloff wrote: >Me, too. Though I took the sidecar rig. It was a blast doing donuts in >the parking lot. Last night I smiled as I drove home - watching a Fairfax County cop - no sidecar - turn left from Rt.50 to Centreville Road. Big blanket on his legs. He looked happy. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 09:42:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKEg4h04240 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'sdave@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Question Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:42:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Yup. Get them off the floor, like on an old shipping pallet. Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: Dave Yates----- > > snip > > > oBmoto: > ? - will tires degrade while sitting (street Z rated radials) in storage?? > Just seems like each year after winter, they just don't stick as well... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 10:36:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (w247.z064003036.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.3.36.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKFaMh05223 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09611; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:36:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:36:14 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Brown To: Tom Gimer cc: Morris Berman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's In-Reply-To: <20001220135832.19243.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:58:32 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom Gimer > To: Morris Berman , DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's > > --- Morris Berman wrote: > > It seems that Office Depot is getting out of the GPS > > business. They are no longer taking orders as they are ... > > aren't you the one who walked into a local office depot and > picked up a iii+ for $99? if you've got the time, i'd > really like to have my nose rubbed in it a little more. > thanks. 'Course, he could just tell us /which/ local OD. I just called the one in Reston Town Center who said that they don't have any GPS's save for the one that hooks up to a 3Com Palm. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 10:50:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKFoJh05469 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gaming.cox.rr.com ([24.168.205.246]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:50:12 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220103020.00aa8960@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: lowball@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:44:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: D J Kinney Subject: New Bike Quandry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4242696==_.ALT" --=====================_4242696==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I thought I could stay away from bikes for a while, but selling my ZX9r really stung. So, I'm looking for something reasonably priced (10k or so) every bit as powerful (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit better handling (that shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough for my 6'3" 280lb frame (that's the hard part). If there's anyone out there my height/size who can offer some suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Whatever suggestions I get will be test driven before I make a choice. --=====================_4242696==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"   I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I thought I could stay away from bikes for a while, but selling my ZX9r really stung. So, I'm looking for something reasonably priced (10k or so) every bit as powerful (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit better handling (that shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough for my 6'3" 280lb frame (that's the hard part). If there's anyone out there my height/size who can offer some suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Whatever suggestions I get will be test driven before I make a choice.
--=====================_4242696==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 11:12:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKGCNh05845 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBKGCFI4939835 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:12:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A40DA65.36F4027A@radix.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:12:21 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Bike Quandry References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220103020.00aa8960@pop-server.cox.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit D J Kinney wrote: > > I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I thought I could stay > away from bikes for a while, but selling my ZX9r really stung. So, I'm > looking for something reasonably priced (10k or so) every bit as > powerful (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit better handling (that > shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough for my 6'3" 280lb frame > (that's the hard part). If your old ride was an older model 9R, ok, but the newer ('98 & up) 9R is no slouch. A lot of people don't mind being folded into a human pretzel, but someone your size is going to suffer even more from pretzel-itis. The liter sport bikes aren't really designed primarily for people that size. Of them, the 9R & Honda 929 are likely going to afford you the closest to power & handling you're looking for without Yoga instruction. Unless you go up in size & class to the sports touring bikes (ZX 11, CBR XX, Eye Abuser). Isn't Yamaha putting an FJ1300 out ?? HTH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 11:25:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11002.mail.yahoo.com (web11002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKGPqh06026 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:25:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001220162548.35629.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11002.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:25:48 PST Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:25:48 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: New Bike Quandry To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Once again I am hear to tout the Triumph. The sprint is a very sporty sport tourer. It is a big bike. You may also want to check out the Daytona it is a nice size and at 128 bhp is no slouch. Thrown on some exhaust, jet kit, chip, and dyno tune you'll be up to 140 in no time. http://www.triumph.co.uk/ Peace Trey --- Dave Yates wrote: > D J Kinney wrote: > > > > I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I > thought I could stay > > away from bikes for a while, but selling my ZX9r > really stung. So, I'm > > looking for something reasonably priced (10k or > so) every bit as > > powerful (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit > better handling (that > > shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough for > my 6'3" 280lb frame > > (that's the hard part). > > If your old ride was an older model 9R, ok, but the > newer ('98 & up) 9R > is no slouch. A lot of people don't mind being > folded into a human > pretzel, but someone your size is going to suffer > even more from > pretzel-itis. The liter sport bikes aren't really > designed primarily > for people that size. Of them, the 9R & Honda 929 > are likely going to > afford you the closest to power & handling you're > looking for without > Yoga instruction. Unless you go up in size & class > to the sports > touring bikes (ZX 11, CBR XX, Eye Abuser). Isn't > Yamaha putting an > FJ1300 out ?? > > HTH. > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 11:37:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKGb5h06260 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:37:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001220163702.16811.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:37:02 PST Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: New Bike Quandry To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii here --- Trey Herb wrote: > Once again I am to tout the Triumph. The sprint > is a very sporty sport tourer. It is a big bike. You > may also want to check out the Daytona it is a nice > size and at 128 bhp is no slouch. Thrown on some > exhaust, jet kit, chip, and dyno tune you'll be up > to > 140 in no time. > > http://www.triumph.co.uk/ > > Peace > > Trey > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > D J Kinney wrote: > > > > > > I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I > > thought I could stay > > > away from bikes for a while, but selling my ZX9r > > really stung. So, I'm > > > looking for something reasonably priced (10k or > > so) every bit as > > > powerful (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit > > better handling (that > > > shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough > for > > my 6'3" 280lb frame > > > (that's the hard part). > > > > If your old ride was an older model 9R, ok, but > the > > newer ('98 & up) 9R > > is no slouch. A lot of people don't mind being > > folded into a human > > pretzel, but someone your size is going to suffer > > even more from > > pretzel-itis. The liter sport bikes aren't really > > designed primarily > > for people that size. Of them, the 9R & Honda 929 > > are likely going to > > afford you the closest to power & handling you're > > looking for without > > Yoga instruction. Unless you go up in size & > class > > to the sports > > touring bikes (ZX 11, CBR XX, Eye Abuser). Isn't > > Yamaha putting an > > FJ1300 out ?? > > > > HTH. > > > > -- > > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Programmer > > (301) 496-3760 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 11:44:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKGiLh06345 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20132 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:38:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: New Bike Quandry Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:46:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20001220162548.35629.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal The Daytona will NOT fit someone of his size. I know this from experience. I'm only 5'10", 175lbs and it feels a little cramped to me, let alone someone five inches taller and a hundred pounds heavier. My roommate, who owns a Daytona, says the new R1 is more comfortable than his bike and I believe it. (not to mention the fact that the 955i motor blew up at 5k miles) Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Trey Herb [mailto:trey_22206@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Bike Quandry Once again I am hear to tout the Triumph. The sprint is a very sporty sport tourer. It is a big bike. You may also want to check out the Daytona it is a nice size and at 128 bhp is no slouch. Thrown on some exhaust, jet kit, chip, and dyno tune you'll be up to 140 in no time. http://www.triumph.co.uk/ Peace Trey --- Dave Yates wrote: > D J Kinney wrote: > > > > I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I > thought I could stay > > away from bikes for a while, but selling my ZX9r > really stung. So, I'm > > looking for something reasonably priced (10k or > so) every bit as > > powerful (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit > better handling (that > > shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough for > my 6'3" 280lb frame > > (that's the hard part). > > If your old ride was an older model 9R, ok, but the > newer ('98 & up) 9R > is no slouch. A lot of people don't mind being > folded into a human > pretzel, but someone your size is going to suffer > even more from > pretzel-itis. The liter sport bikes aren't really > designed primarily > for people that size. Of them, the 9R & Honda 929 > are likely going to > afford you the closest to power & handling you're > looking for without > Yoga instruction. Unless you go up in size & class > to the sports > touring bikes (ZX 11, CBR XX, Eye Abuser). Isn't > Yamaha putting an > FJ1300 out ?? > > HTH. > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 11:47:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc28.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc28.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKGl3h06430 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from attglobal.net ([12.78.178.148]) by mtiwmhc28.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20001220164636.DYXC1500.mtiwmhc28.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:46:36 +0000 Message-ID: <3A40E2A9.DC8E88C9@attglobal.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:47:37 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [ja] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: ja,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: New Bike Quandry References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220103020.00aa8960@pop-server.cox.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, How about Yamaha's new FZ-1 (Fazer) which is coming out in the spring. It looks like this; http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcyam/01fazer.html http://www.motorcycledaily.com/01sept00fazer2001.html http://www.yamaha-motor.com/01motorsports/01mcy/2_sport/fz1/info_body.html I'm no Honda sales man but Honda is rumored to come out with a similar bike with CBR900RR engine. D J Kinney wrote: > > I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I thought I could stay > away from bikes for a while, but selling my ZX9r really stung. So, I'm > looking for something reasonably priced (10k or so) every bit as > powerful (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit better handling (that > shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough for my 6'3" 280lb > frame (that's the hard part). If there's anyone out there my > height/size who can offer some suggestions, I'd appreciate it. > Whatever suggestions I get will be test driven before I make a choice. -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Honda NT650 BMW R100R From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 12:14:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKHEah06861 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-14.s14.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.14] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 148moz-0005E0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:14:34 -0500 Message-ID: <03c401c06aa8$5757dd80$0e6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: New Bike Quandry Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:14:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think the suggestion about the new Yamaha is a good one, also it is hard to go wrong with a VFR. Neither of these is the pure sportbike that the 9R was intended to be, but like was said, depends on the year of it. Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 12:26:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKHQOh07063 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:26:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001220172621.29106.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:26:21 PST Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:26:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New Bike Quandry To: D J Kinney , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- D J Kinney wrote: > I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I thought > I could stay away from bikes for a while, but selling my > ZX9r really stung. So, I'm looking for something > reasonably priced (10k or so) every bit as powerful > (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit better handling (that > shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough for my > 6'3" 280lb frame (that's the hard part). If there's > anyone out there my height/size who can offer some > suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Whatever suggestions I > get will be test driven before I make a choice. the truth is you owned the perfect bike for your build and needs, but you sold it. buy another one. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 13:28:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKISLh08241 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 19054 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:28:13 -0800 Date: 20 Dec 2000 10:28:13 -0800 Message-ID: <20001220182813.19053.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Dec 2000 18:28:13 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 20 Dec 2000 10:28:13 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: ATTENTION RACERS/RACERS TO BE Well, believe it or not, the racing season will be here soon, so in order to start getting everything organized (yes, Bri, organized ;-) I have a few questions for you all: 1. Are you racing WERA or CCS? 2. Amateur or Novice? 3. Are you planning on being a part of the "official" DC Cycles racing team? 4. What bike are you racing? classes? We're trying to get some ideas together and such, so we'd like to know who to include as we make the preparations. If you have any questions, let me know. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 13:36:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKIadh08411 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:36:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:36:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200012201336.AA186057092@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Gas or propane heater better? X-Mailer: Hi, all, I need a heater for my garage, and I'd planned on a forced-air electric-ignition kerosene heater ( a "sausage heater" as I've heard them called). Now I see I could have a propane heater. I need to heat about 800 sq ft (32x24 garage). Which heater would be better for: 1) Operating cost? 2) Carbon monoxide emissions? 3) (anything else you can think of) thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 13:38:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKIcLh08421 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:38:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:38:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200012201338.AA186188164@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Washing off the salt? X-Mailer: Hi, all, I've been pondering ways to wash the salt off my bike(s) on days when the temps don't get above freezing. Mainly I just want the water to drain off before freezing. I've heard it NOT recommended to wash salt off with warm water because the warm water increases the salt corrosion. "Cold" water wouldn't stay as water for long outside. Any ideas? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 13:38:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKIcXh08439 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:38:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:38:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200012201338.AA110887334@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Washing off the salt? X-Mailer: Hi, all, I've been pondering ways to wash the salt off my bike(s) on days when the temps don't get above freezing. Mainly I just want the water to drain off before freezing. I've heard it NOT recommended to wash salt off with warm water because the warm water increases the salt corrosion. "Cold" water wouldn't stay as water for long outside. Any ideas? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 13:41:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKIfJh08452 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G5V00N01QCT4Q@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G5V00N18QCT2S@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G5V00B01QCSBJ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:36:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G5V00B01QCNAM@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:36:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G5V006MGQCAYI@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:36:10 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:36:10 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Before anyone asks . . . No, I didn't. To: Leon Begeman Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DCCycles Message-id: <3A40FC1A.73044B6A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200012200831.AA122945936@mail.toward.com> Bailed, took the snow bike (Chrysler) again today. Two days in a row now... :( I'm actually kind of glad I drove yesterday. Taking a chance and believing the weatherguessers for once, I wasn't caught out on two wheels when the snow hit. Saw a couple of nasty accidents on the way home, had one happen right in front of me, which then caused a car coming up behind me get sideways and almost hit my car. It would have been pretty harrowing on the bike. Anyone get caught out yesterday on the bike? How'd it go? I didn't even try driving through Clifton. I stayed on the main roads, they were plenty bad enough. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 13:46:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKIkth08603 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 9829 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:46:48 -0800 Date: 20 Dec 2000 10:46:48 -0800 Message-ID: <20001220184648.9828.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Dec 2000 18:46:48 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 20 Dec 2000 10:46:48 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: amateur=expert...lmao (racer's poll) well, before anyone busts my ass, i thought I'd correct my error in the racers poll... Are you novice or expert? last time i checked....amateur and novice were the same...damn, I need more caffeine, quick! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 14:04:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKJ3ch08845 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBKJ2bI4838936 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:02:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A410252.53350D3@radix.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:02:42 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: amateur=expert...lmao (racer's poll) References: <20001220184648.9828.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > well, before anyone busts my ass, i thought I'd correct my error in the racers poll... > > Are you novice or expert? > > last time i checked....amateur and novice were the same...damn, I need more caffeine, quick! Well, 'Experts' built the Titanic, 'novices' built the Ark... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 14:42:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKJg2h09508 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:42:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:40:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200012201440.AA123011514@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: New, unique bike lift X-Mailer: Here's a new concept for a bike lift - looks awful good for $539 delivered! http://www.bikelift.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 15:24:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKKOch10198 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-38.patriot.net [209.249.181.38]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBKKOXL09641; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:24:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3A41148F.F35015B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:20:31 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Gas or propane heater better? References: <200012201336.AA186057092@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have several garage heaters. Basic convection kerosene and the forced air type. The fumes give me instant headache, and without a lot of fresh air coming in the forced air one will gas you out pretty quick. The best is two mega electric space heaters but Omigod! Buggers can make that meter spin. 8K watts apiece. Haven't used those since my lottery money ran out. I'm thinking of looking into a wall mounted propane rig. A *real* furnace. The only other option is a stand alone heat pump, more investmant, less hassle, no fumes whatsoever. My buddy wants to build me a wood stove rig but that sounds like work. I associate splitting and hauling wood with a soft blanket, chilled wine, and a naked chick in front of the fireplace. For working in the garage I want instant easy heat. Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Hi, all, > > I need a heater for my garage, and I'd planned on a forced-air electric-ignition kerosene heater ( a "sausage heater" as I've heard them called). Now I see I could have a propane heater. I need to heat about 800 sq ft (32x24 garage). > > Which heater would be better for: > 1) Operating cost? > 2) Carbon monoxide emissions? > 3) (anything else you can think of) > > thanks, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 15:53:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKKrPh10644 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6646 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2000 20:53:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20001220205322.6645.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:53:22 PST Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:53:22 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Washing off the salt? To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > I've been pondering ways to wash the salt off my > bike(s) on days when the temps don't get above > freezing. Is this what the heater in the garage is for? Wouldn't the warm water wash the salt away? If the salt is washed away, it can't cause corrosion. It won't cause much corrosion during the short period of time that it's being washed away. Mine stay salty until the weather gets above freezing. Cold/frozen salt water doesn't corrode as fast as the warm stuff, it can stay there until it's warm enough. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 16:15:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKLFch11037 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G5V00401XOYLX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:14:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G5V003D8XOYIL@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:14:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G5V00M01XOXW0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:14:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G5V00M01XOUVM@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:14:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G5V00L7RXNN8X@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:14:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:14:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: New, unique bike lift To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Message-id: <3A412123.3097F72F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200012201440.AA123011514@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > > Here's a new concept for a bike lift - looks awful good for $539 delivered! > > http://www.bikelift.com/ > > Chris Norloff Chris, I wonder if Todd Peer will chime in here, he's got one. It looks and functions ok, but has a little bit of flex in it when the bike is lifted. Supposedly it can handle his ST with ease, but he had the lighter VTR on the stand when I was there. The sidestand clamp was neat, and it appears to work very well. If I used it, I'd put some tall jack stands or something underneath it to control the flexing. It might be normal, but it was unnerving to watch. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 17:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKM3kh11731 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-211-169.s169.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.169] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 148rKp-0001YC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:03:44 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c06ad0$bf2fda20$a9d33ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <200012200831.AA122945936@mail.toward.com> <3A40FC1A.73044B6A@home.com> Subject: Re: Before anyone asks . . . No, I didn't. Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:55:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I chickened out and left the bike in the parking lot last night and went home by other means. I will ride home tonight here in a few minutes. I just didn't feeling like rolling the dice last night , especially on the bridges, about 6:30 as the snow started coming down harder and the temperature dropping. I probably would have been OK but I erred on the side of prudence and less salty crud to wash off later. Warm, not hot, water and soap to get the salt off, BTW. Water evaporates quickly in this low humidity, so I don't think it will accelerate corrosion. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman > Bailed, took the snow bike (Chrysler) again today. Two > days in a row now... :( > > I'm actually kind of glad I drove yesterday. Taking a > chance and believing the weatherguessers for once.. > > Anyone get caught out yesterday on the bike? How'd it go? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 17:03:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKM3lh11732 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-211-169.s169.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.169] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 148rKq-0001YC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:03:45 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c06ad0$c0227780$a9d33ad0@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <200012201336.AA186057092@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Gas or propane heater better? Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:02:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'd stay away from those industrial type kerosene jobs. They're really meant for large spaces in construction sites, where there is a lot of air exchange, not smaller enclosed spaces like garages. I'd opt for a residential-type kerosene heater or electric. Someone mentioned wood, but I'd find it inconvenient to go fire up the stove two hours before I wanted to do work. Anyway, I'd settle for any garage right now, heated or not. Paul Garageless in DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: List-dc cycles Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Gas or propane heater better? > Hi, all, > > I need a heater for my garage, and I'd planned on a forced-air electric-ignition kerosene heater ( a "sausage heater" as I've heard them called). Now I see I could have a propane heater. I need to heat about 800 sq ft (32x24 garage). > > Which heater would be better for: > 1) Operating cost? > 2) Carbon monoxide emissions? > 3) (anything else you can think of) > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 17:18:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKMIWh11991 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24919 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23587 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.29]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G5W0MM00.P1L; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:22 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: New, unique bike lift Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:19:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200012201440.AA123011514@mail.toward.com> Chris, I have one! I love it. I purchased a few extra mounts to handle my FJ and my TL1000R. I can raise by both wheels, one wheel and the engine, engine only. Here's some pix when I was installing my new FJ shock. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1186951&a=9688686 Now for the really good news. After the first of the year, they will have a US distributor. Here is an email for John who is the US rep. John Brown mountainrider@XXXXXX The only thing I had to do was get a good drill. My 9.6v cordless wasn't enough. I purchased a good DeWalt 110v drill, and she flies up. Just be careful when you get to the top or bottom, as the drill will throw you, or hit the bike. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:41 PM > To: List-dc cycles > Subject: New, unique bike lift > > > > Here's a new concept for a bike lift - looks awful good for $539 > delivered! > > http://www.bikelift.com/ > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 18:11:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKNBEh12754 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBKNBA202607 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:11:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: ATTENTION RACERS/RACERS TO BE In-Reply-To: <20001220182813.19053.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Dec 2000, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > 1. Are you racing WERA or CCS? What are those? I did ECEA (East Coast Enduro Association) stuff, VCHSS (Virginia Championship Hare Scrambles Series) stuff, and a couple plain jane D7 hare scrambles at Budds Creek. Oh, WERA and CCS must be for those bikes where they've worn the knobbies off and have to stick to pavement... Check out the websites for more info on local off road racing: http://www.ecea.org/ http://www.vchss.org http://members.aol.com/AMADist7/2000schedule.html The first hare scramble of 2001 is Jan 7 at Antietam. I'm looking forward to it... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 18:58:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBKNwSh13507 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA13433; Wed, 20 Dec 1972 19:05:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1972 19:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Gas or propane heater better? In-Reply-To: <200012201336.AA186057092@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you just need to heat yourself rather than the whole garage, what about a radiant (electric) heater? Works pretty well if you're in one spot and have it aimed at you (just turn occasionally to achieve that even tan). Not so useful if you're moving around, though. Or consider your 12-volt electric garments. Just plug in to your battery/charger and you're in business. --garcia "If your eye falls on a bargain, pick it up." On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: > Hi, all, > > I need a heater for my garage, and I'd planned on a forced-air electric-ignition kerosene heater ( a "sausage heater" as I've heard them called). Now I see I could have a propane heater. I need to heat about 800 sq ft (32x24 garage). > > Which heater would be better for: > 1) Operating cost? > 2) Carbon monoxide emissions? > 3) (anything else you can think of) > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 19:30:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBL0UMh14146 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA16836; Wed, 20 Dec 1972 19:37:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1972 19:37:29 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Washing off the salt? In-Reply-To: <200012201338.AA186188164@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: > Hi, all, > > I've been pondering ways to wash the salt off my bike(s) on days when the temps don't get above freezing. Mainly I just want the water to drain off before freezing. Doesn't really matter. Ice evaporates even below freezing temp. Just takes longer. > > I've heard it NOT recommended to wash salt off with warm water because the warm water increases the salt corrosion. I very much doubt that warm salt water would be in contact with your bike long enough to matter. Just wash it off. > "Cold" water wouldn't stay as water for long outside. My solution is to have a bike which leaks enough oil/grease/chain lube that it's in no danger of rusting. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 22:30:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBL3ULh16823 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gaming.cox.rr.com ([24.168.205.246]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:30:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220221421.00ade8e0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: lowball@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:24:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: D J Kinney Subject: Bike Quandry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for all the suggestions. Looks like the list has been narrowed to the latest Zx9r, R1, FZ-1 (if it makes it to the US in time), and the 929. I'd go to the next higher class, but the rumblings are that handling suffers greatly if you do (just how good can the handling be if the bike has to drag around 280 lbs on it's back anyway?). For as awesome as Triumph would be to own, ( I almost bought the TT600 just from the picture!), I think I'm going to stick with a bike from one of the big 4. I knew I could depend on y'all to point me in the right directions. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 07:57:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f108.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.108]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLCvkh25939 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 04:57:38 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:57:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/20/00 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:57:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2000 12:57:38.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[986E1960:01C06B4D] _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:22:37 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's It seems that Office Depot is getting out of the GPS business. They are no longer taking orders as they are discontinuing carrying the item. Let us know if any of you get the items on back order. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't come in. -Mb -------------------------------------------------------- Walked into the Lee Hwy OD and was told they sold out....fast. Apparently their GPS items are clearance (according to the pimply faced Simpsons character that I spoke with). Makes you wonder though. At $99 on an item that retails on avg $350 and takes up hardly any floor space to stock, is OD taking a hit just to get out? Or are they selling at cost? The later thought makes me ill. Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 08:24:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f312.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLDOth26311 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:24:47 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:24:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More Garmin and OD Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:24:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2000 13:24:47.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[63C91760:01C06B51] 'Course, he could just tell us /which/ local OD. I just called the one in Reston Town Center who said that they don't have any GPS's save for the one that hooks up to a 3Com Palm. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX --------------------------------------------------- OOoooo... Glad I read this. I was going to trot over there at lunch yesterday, but got sidetracked with work. I was going to hit the early opening this morning but decided to come in to work and just call. Then I read this. Thanks for posting. Hmmmm. Do I even really NEED a GPS. I've always sort of discounted them as a big crutch in route planning, preferring the get lost wanderings that tend to net a more pleasing riding experience, new roads discovered in the process. A lot of LDRiders I know swear by them, but I've had real success with a simple printout of Delormes trip routing directions....NO MAPS at ALL. The thing that turns me on about the 3+ is that it measures voltage and speed. This would allow me to ditch the Sigma Sport bike odo, and forget about installing a voltmeter. And then I'd have all those nifty OTHER little functions to futz with too ;-) On another note: I haven't ridden either of my bikes in over a month. This job in Reston (26 mile, 40 minutes one-way) and the commute is such a buzz-kill on a bike. Mix in the 0'Dark:30 hours and the cold and it just ain't much fun anymore. Didn't used to be this way when I got to use the HOV (no BDCs to contend with) :( I need a moto-fix....c'mon Jan. 13th!! Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 08:45:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f272.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLDjih26685 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:45:35 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:45:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/20/00 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:45:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2000 13:45:35.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BA7D8D0:01C06B54] Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:14:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: New, unique bike lift To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List X-Accept-Language: en Chris Norloff wrote: > >Here's a new concept for a bike lift - looks awful good for $539 delivered! > >http://www.bikelift.com/ > >Chris Norloff Chris, I wonder if Todd Peer will chime in here, he's got one. It looks and functions ok, but has a little bit of flex in it when the bike is lifted. Supposedly it can handle his ST with ease, but he had the lighter VTR on the stand when I was there. The sidestand clamp was neat, and it appears to work very well. If I used it, I'd put some tall jack stands or something underneath it to control the flexing. It might be normal, but it was unnerving to watch. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- So far I've only lifted the VTR, using the tire mounts. The stand does tend to flex and it gave me an oogy feeling having my baby 3' off the floor wobbling around. After getting used to the fact that it ain't going anywhere I was actually rather pleased with the purchase. Haven't tried the ST1100, but it shouldn't be a problem. The lift is rated at 2-tons by Loyds of London (tons in British units?). Like Gary Forman mentioned, you need a better-than-around-the-house drill to turn the massive screw to the top. I also bought the extra mounting system to work with the VTR and Ducati styles of frame, exhaust exits. Haven't had the opportunity to try these out yet. The lift is very well constructed and should last a very long time. One thing I will admit to is that the first time you set your bike up, mark EVERYTHING on the lift for the next time. It took me close to an hour just to get to a point of lifting (first time and by myself). Currently my garage is serving as a Lagering cellar and will return to service as a wrench-nest later in January. Got a new Pils and an experiment going on right now and I don't want to disturb things (nice consistent 53-43 degree temp-range) :-) Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 09:00:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLE0Ch26908 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:00:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:00:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200012210900.AA166593024@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles List , Dale Horstman Subject: Re: New, unique bike lift X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman >> http://www.bikelift.com/ >I wonder if Todd Peer will chime in here, he's got one. ... >If I used it, I'd put some tall jack stands or something >underneath it to control the flexing. It might be normal, but >it was unnerving to watch. I suppose it could be normal, but working on a bike alone in the garage I'd want to play it safe. I grew up in the days when some people still put their cars up on cinder blocks, and got squished. Chris From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 09:03:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLE3ch26927 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28443 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12077 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:03:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:03:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200012210903.AA226689434@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Gary Foreman" Subject: RE: New, unique bike lift X-Mailer: Thanks for the input. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gary Foreman" Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:19:02 -0500 >Chris, I have one! I love it. I purchased a few extra mounts to handle my >FJ and my TL1000R. I can raise by both wheels, one wheel and the engine, >engine only. Here's some pix when I was installing my new FJ shock. > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1186951&a=9688686 > >Now for the really good news. After the first of the year, they will have a >US distributor. Here is an email for John who is the US rep. > >John Brown >mountainrider@XXXXXX > >The only thing I had to do was get a good drill. My 9.6v cordless wasn't >enough. I purchased a good DeWalt 110v drill, and she flies up. Just be >careful when you get to the top or bottom, as the drill will throw you, or >hit the bike. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:41 PM >> To: List-dc cycles >> Subject: New, unique bike lift >> >> >> >> Here's a new concept for a bike lift - looks awful good for $539 >> delivered! >> >> http://www.bikelift.com/ >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 10:11:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLFBPh28015 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:11:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: New Bike Quandary Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:11:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain DJ, Trey, and Chris: This is really interesting to me. I'm a 6'2", 215# geezer with a bad back. The Daytona is comfortable for me. Maybe my GPz1100 was a bit comfier because of the less committed riding position, but I actually like getting over the tank. There have been days when the Daytona was the only thing that didn't cause me pain to sit on. The biggest drawback has been squashing my pet monkey during hard braking. Go figure. Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: "Christopher Weaver"----- > > The Daytona will NOT fit someone of his size. I know this from experience. > I'm only 5'10", 175lbs and it feels a little cramped to me, let alone > someone five inches taller and a hundred pounds heavier. My roommate, who > owns a Daytona, says the new R1 is more comfortable than his bike and I > believe it. (not to mention the fact that the 955i motor blew up at 5k > miles) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000F > '89 YSR50 > www.dccycles.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trey Herb [mailto:trey_22206@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:26 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New Bike Quandry > > > Once again I am hear to tout the Triumph. The sprint > is a very sporty sport tourer. It is a big bike. You > may also want to check out the Daytona it is a nice > size and at 128 bhp is no slouch. Thrown on some > exhaust, jet kit, chip, and dyno tune you'll be up to > 140 in no time. > > http://www.triumph.co.uk/ > > Peace > > Trey > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > D J Kinney wrote: > > > > > > I'm saving money for a new bike this spring. I thought I could stay > > > away from bikes for a while, but selling my ZX9r really stung. So, I'm > > > looking for something reasonably priced (10k or so) every bit as > > > powerful (900cc or higher) with perhaps a bit better handling (that > > > shouldn't be difficult) and comfortable enough for my 6'3" 280lb frame > > > (that's the hard part). > > > > If your old ride was an older model 9R, ok, but the newer ('98 & up) 9R > > is no slouch. A lot of people don't mind being folded into a human > > pretzel, but someone your size is going to suffer even more from > > pretzel-itis. The liter sport bikes aren't really designed primarily > > for people that size. Of them, the 9R & Honda 929 are likely going to > > afford you the closest to power & handling you're looking for without > > Yoga instruction. Unless you go up in size & class to the sports > > touring bikes (ZX 11, CBR XX, Eye Abuser). Isn't Yamaha putting an > > FJ1300 out ?? > > > > HTH. > > > > -- > > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Programmer > > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 10:59:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBLFx8h28790 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:59:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001221155905.11203.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:59:05 PST Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:59:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: More Garmin and OD To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > > On another note: I haven't ridden either of my bikes in > over a month. This job in Reston (26 mile, 40 minutes > one-way) and the commute is such a buzz-kill on a bike. > Mix in the 0'Dark:30 hours and the cold and it just > ain't much fun anymore. Didn't used to be this way when > I got to use the HOV (no BDCs to contend with) :( I need > a moto-fix....c'mon Jan. 13th!! what is the significance of this date? is this our philly trip? that's more of a liver fix than a moto-fix! ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 11:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLG7sh28961 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQjunw29843; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:07:35 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjunw18393; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:07:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:06:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: New ZX-7R??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Has anyone heard anything about an updated 7R from Kawasaki? I heard 2001, but no one's saying anything about it.... -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 11:10:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLGA3h28974 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQjunw08988; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:09:56 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjunw22200; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:08:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:08:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: New road course at Summit Point?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A cage-racing friend of mine sent me this from some list he's on. >An excerpt from a post made by Jim Korczak to the EMRA >discussion board about EMRA not having any dates at >Summit Point this year: > >"However, we have been assured of a >date in 2002 at Summit Point or at the NEW CIRCUIT >UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!! Thats right, BSR, Inc. is >building a new 2+ mile road course adjacent to the >existing Summit Point and Jefferson circuits." > I can't wait!!! Anyone hear anything about this?!?? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 11:19:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11202.mail.yahoo.com (web11202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBLGJeh29123 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:19:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001221161925.55878.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.246.10] by web11202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:19:25 PST Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:19:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: New ZX-7R??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I believe there is mention of the 7 in the latest Motorcyclist mag. Matt --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Has anyone heard anything about an updated 7R from > Kawasaki? I heard > 2001, but no one's saying anything about it.... > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of > death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F > WERA Novice #230 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 11:20:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLGKkh29200 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 1.de.e1fc51d (15889); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from web33.aolmail.aol.com (web33.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.9]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:20:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:20:20 EST From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New road course at Summit Point?!? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: I haven't heard anything, but then I haven't looked at the Summit Point or BSR web sites either. You might try either or both of those. Jess From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 12:16:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLHGZh00227 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:13:03 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re: New road course at Summit Point?!? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c06b71$6c14e8c0$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Jess Wrote I haven't heard anything, but then I haven't looked at the Summit Point or BSR web sites either. You might try either or both of those. Nothing there. Then again, there was never any mention of the re-paving there either. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 15:17:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLKH8h03043 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.dc.2f6a4 (4210) for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:16:53 -0500 (EST) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:16:53 EST Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/20/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 12/20/00 7:04:50 PM EST, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX writes: > If there's anyone out there my height/size who can offer some suggestions, I'd > appreciate it. Whatever suggestions I get will be test driven before I make > a choice. I'm 6-2" and about 260 myself and my ancient FJ1200 ('87) is wonderfully comfortable, at least once I got the Corbin seat. I think 10K is about the price point for the new ones coming out. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 15:21:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLKL3h03148 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:20:46 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F78019D@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Garcia Oliver'" Subject: Gas or propane heater better? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:21:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Garcia Oliver offered, "If you just need to heat yourself rather than the whole garage, what about a radiant (electric) heater? Works pretty well if you're in one spot and have it aimed at you (just turn occasionally to achieve that even tan). Not so useful if you're moving around, though. Or consider your 12-volt electric garments. Just plug in to your battery/charger and you're in business." Spoken like a true "Iron Knuckle" Motorcyclist. IKMA: "we don' need no steenkin' garajes" Just some cardboard and maybe a tarp. Carl in Burr-thesda From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 15:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBLKXUh03308 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:33:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001221203326.13274.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:33:26 PST Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:33:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/20/00 To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 12/20/00 7:04:50 PM EST, > dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > writes: > > > If there's anyone out there my height/size who can > > offer some suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Whatever > > suggestions I get will be test driven before I make > > a choice. > > I'm 6-2" and about 260 myself and my ancient FJ1200 ('87) > is wonderfully comfortable, at least once I got the > Corbin seat. I think 10K is about the price point for > the new ones coming out. i don't recommend this bike for our would-be buyer, mainly because of the lack of ground clearance in relation to that of the previously mentioned sportbikes. i rode with a guy on an FJ one time ("Tom" a friend of former lister bergie frazier), who literally dragged something on every turn he looked at. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 15:38:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLKclh03401 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-142-9.s263.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.142.9] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 149CU7-0007RH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:38:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c06b8d$d65db4c0$098ea4d8@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <001201c06b71$6c14e8c0$c7c809c0@roadrash> Subject: Re: New road course at Summit Point?!? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:37:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The guy I bought my VTR from dates the daughter of BSR "big fish". He said something to me about the plan, it is definitely in the works. Cool! Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay St. Peter To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:14 PM Subject: Re: New road course at Summit Point?!? > > Jess Wrote > I haven't heard anything, but then I haven't looked at the Summit Point or > BSR web sites either. You might try either or both of those. > > Nothing there. Then again, there was never any mention of the re-paving > there either. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 16:47:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLLlfh04442 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-34.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.162]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12502 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:47:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A427A95.7FD537DB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:48:05 -0500 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Motorcycle painting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone is contemplating getting their m/c painted, I'd like to recommend: Noah Better Off Bodyworks (703) 441-1625 He re-painted my '93 Gixxer in Ferrari yellow and did an excellent job. Pics (which really don't do the paint job complete justice) are at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. Noah is a rider himself and has a fair amount of experience painting sportbikes -- although I'm sure he can paint all kinds of motorcycles. I know he does airbrush work too, but haven't seen it for myself (a recent project of his was doing custom paint/airbrush on a pair of 'Busas). He also installed a Tapeworks graphics kit for me (no pics yet). I think he did a very good job, but not absolutely perfect. But the "imperfections" are only noticeable up close and personal -- take a step back and you can't tell. In his defense, I've heard from lots of other folks that Tapeworks kits can be a pain in the ass (especially if they're relatively "complicated", which mine was). And while it's not the same level of installation as factory graphics, I know for sure it's way better than I could have accomplished on my own. And Tapeworks kits are generally intended for racebikes so they aren't necessarily intended to be at a level you might want for a custom/show/concours bike. The bottom line is that I am extremely happy with both the painting and graphics. If you want to see what the graphics look like, go to http://www.tapeworks.com/Pages/3150.html. Just try to picture them on a Ferrari yellow instead of white Gixxer. I hope to have pics up on my web page sometime soon so that you can judge for yourself. Noah has been doing pretty much all the painting for Denny at Crossroads Cycles, so talk to Denny if you want another opinion/reference about his work. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 17:13:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLMD3h04856 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.169.195] by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-195.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.195]) id QQjuou08531 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:12:59 GMT From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A427A95.7FD537DB@ix.netcom.com> References: <3A427A95.7FD537DB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:12:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Another good site for "tape" is http://www.morgandesigns.com/. Very good, fast service. Dan 00 RSV > >He also installed a Tapeworks graphics kit for me (no pics yet). I >think he did a very good job, but not absolutely perfect. But the >"imperfections" are only noticeable up close and personal -- take a step >back and you can't tell. In his defense, I've heard from lots of other >folks that Tapeworks kits can be a pain in the ass (especially if >they're relatively "complicated", which mine was). And while it's not >the same level of installation as factory graphics, I know for sure it's >way better than I could have accomplished on my own. And Tapeworks kits >are generally intended for racebikes so they aren't necessarily intended >to be at a level you might want for a custom/show/concours bike. > >Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 17:17:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLMH1h04963 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBLMIFc19630; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:18:16 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New road course at Summit Point?!? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:18:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00122117181508.01107@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This was announced at the end of the '99 racing season. It's going to be called the "Shenandoah Circuit" and will be another "full size" road course (not like the Jefferson training track). They said they were committed to having bikes and karts run the new track as well :) They were actually clearing trees this year for the thing... I thought everyone knew about this. - Roach On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Sean Jordan wrote: > >"However, we have been assured of a > >date in 2002 at Summit Point or at the NEW CIRCUIT > >UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!! Thats right, BSR, Inc. is > >building a new 2+ mile road course adjacent to the > >existing Summit Point and Jefferson circuits." > > I can't wait!!! > > > Anyone hear anything about this?!?? -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 17:20:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLMKmh05040 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:20:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:18:41 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 05:20:47 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Chuck, I got a couple of Q's for ya. 1. How much for the paint job? 2. Did you bring him the bike or the body work? 3. If you brought him the body work did you have to do any prep work or did he do it all? 4. How long did it take? James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX Chuck Pena tcom.com> cc: Subject: Motorcycle painting 12/21/2000 04:48 PM If anyone is contemplating getting their m/c painted, I'd like to recommend: Noah Better Off Bodyworks (703) 441-1625 He re-painted my '93 Gixxer in Ferrari yellow and did an excellent job. Pics (which really don't do the paint job complete justice) are at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. Noah is a rider himself and has a fair amount of experience painting sportbikes -- although I'm sure he can paint all kinds of motorcycles. I know he does airbrush work too, but haven't seen it for myself (a recent project of his was doing custom paint/airbrush on a pair of 'Busas). He also installed a Tapeworks graphics kit for me (no pics yet). I think he did a very good job, but not absolutely perfect. But the "imperfections" are only noticeable up close and personal -- take a step back and you can't tell. In his defense, I've heard from lots of other folks that Tapeworks kits can be a pain in the ass (especially if they're relatively "complicated", which mine was). And while it's not the same level of installation as factory graphics, I know for sure it's way better than I could have accomplished on my own. And Tapeworks kits are generally intended for racebikes so they aren't necessarily intended to be at a level you might want for a custom/show/concours bike. The bottom line is that I am extremely happy with both the painting and graphics. If you want to see what the graphics look like, go to http://www.tapeworks.com/Pages/3150.html. Just try to picture them on a Ferrari yellow instead of white Gixxer. I hope to have pics up on my web page sometime soon so that you can judge for yourself. Noah has been doing pretty much all the painting for Denny at Crossroads Cycles, so talk to Denny if you want another opinion/reference about his work. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 17:54:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aloe.pwcglobal.com (aloe.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLMsuh05551 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.pwcglobal.com; id RAA14600; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.26.104.82) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xmaa13518; Thu, 21 Dec 00 17:46:03 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0G5X00F2AX610Z@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 852569BC.007DD35B ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:54:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:52:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <852569BC.007DD064.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Chuck, Does he do any bodywork? By that I mean fixing small dents, removing rust, etc.? Also what about painting metal as opposed to plastic? Thanks, --chris To: DC Cycles cc: Subject: Motorcycle painting If anyone is contemplating getting their m/c painted, I'd like to recommend: Noah Better Off Bodyworks (703) 441-1625 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 18:14:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLNEth05903 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.11.d78ccc7 (7332) for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:14:45 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11.d78ccc7.2773e8e5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:14:45 EST Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/20/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 I used plain cold water on mine. Seemed to work OK ecept for the locks/latches on the saddle bags. They are still frozen up Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 18:31:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLNV9h06226 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turnerrinfi (dp043.fls01.splitrock.net [206.156.194.43]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04893; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:31:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01c06ba5$e469f8e0$2bc29cce@net> Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Chuck Pena" , "DC Cycles" References: <3A427A95.7FD537DB@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:29:38 -0500 Organization: Attorney at Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I will second that. He just repaired and repainted the rear cowl of my 98 GSXR 750. It matches the rest of the bodywork perfectly. His price was reasonable and he turned around the project quickly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Pena" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 4:48 PM Subject: Motorcycle painting > If anyone is contemplating getting their m/c painted, I'd like to > recommend: > > Noah > Better Off Bodyworks > (703) 441-1625 > > He re-painted my '93 Gixxer in Ferrari yellow and did an excellent job. > Pics (which really don't do the paint job complete justice) are at > http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. Noah is a rider > himself and has a fair amount of experience painting sportbikes -- > although I'm sure he can paint all kinds of motorcycles. I know he does > airbrush work too, but haven't seen it for myself (a recent project of > his was doing custom paint/airbrush on a pair of 'Busas). > > He also installed a Tapeworks graphics kit for me (no pics yet). I > think he did a very good job, but not absolutely perfect. But the > "imperfections" are only noticeable up close and personal -- take a step > back and you can't tell. In his defense, I've heard from lots of other > folks that Tapeworks kits can be a pain in the ass (especially if > they're relatively "complicated", which mine was). And while it's not > the same level of installation as factory graphics, I know for sure it's > way better than I could have accomplished on my own. And Tapeworks kits > are generally intended for racebikes so they aren't necessarily intended > to be at a level you might want for a custom/show/concours bike. > > The bottom line is that I am extremely happy with both the painting and > graphics. If you want to see what the graphics look like, go to > http://www.tapeworks.com/Pages/3150.html. Just try to picture them on a > Ferrari yellow instead of white Gixxer. I hope to have pics up on my > web page sometime soon so that you can judge for yourself. > > Noah has been doing pretty much all the painting for Denny at Crossroads > Cycles, so talk to Denny if you want another opinion/reference about his > work. > > Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 19:39:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBM0dZh07421 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXMgvTY0i9RPhxtGI/4Mmhk25Iyy2SkuUVQ=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FRUTSDWY; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:39:12 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:37:08 -0500 Subject: Practice Days at Summit Point in 2001 Message-ID: <20001221.193708.-295493.2.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7,9,11-12,14 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick There will be four (4) practice days at Summit Point Raceway for motorcycle roadracers in 2001. The annual MARRC Track Day is on Friday, May 11, before CCS. And there will be three (3) Motorcycle Tune and Test Days. Those dates are April 18, July 5, and October 3, 2001. For more info call Roger Lyle at 301-933-2599 or e-mail rogerlyle@XXXXXX Pre- registrations are being accepted. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#806 (http://www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com)* *A.F.S. Contractor Inc. - Insurance Recovery Specialist for Your Home* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 21:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBM2XUh09077 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-37.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.165]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03987; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:33:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A42BDD5.1936E0CA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:35:01 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting References: <852569BC.007DD064.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, I assume he can do various bodywork (dents, dings, rust, etc.), but you should give him a call. I know he can repair plastic because he fixed up my panels that were all scraped up from my lowside at CSS@VIR. This included reinforcing some areas where there were hairline cracks. If you came to any of the Bike Nights and saw my Gixxer with its "battle scars", you wouldn't know that the bodywork on it is the same stuff. I'm pretty sure he can paint metal too -- but, again, I'd give him a call. Chuck christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Chuck, > > Does he do any bodywork? By that I mean fixing small dents, removing rust, > etc.? Also what about painting metal as opposed to plastic? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 21:41:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBM2fch09157 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-37.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.165]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08586; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A42BFBF.18E09ECE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:43:11 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitabashi@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. How much for the paint job? I'll be honest that I'm really not at liberty to disclose how much my particular paint job was. The reason being that Denny at Crossroads Cycles owed me a favor, so I got the paint job for less than what it would've otherwise cost me (plus Denny's time at no charge taking the body panels/gas tank off and putting them back on again). But I seem to recall Noah telling me that one color paint jobs started at $600 or so. > 2. Did you bring him the bike or the body work? I brought the bike to Crossroads. They took off all the bodywork and gas tank. Noah took these, painted them, and returned them. The guys at Crossroads put everything back on. Again, the labor involved taking the bodywork/gas tank on and off was gratis in this particular case. Figure your own time (or paying someone else) to do this. Noah doesn't have a lot of room to store motorcycles so I think in most cases he just wants the bodywork and gas tank. > 3. If you brought him the body work did you have to do any prep work or did > he do it all? Noah did all the prep work. He also fixed areas of my body panels that needed repairing (from my lowside at CSS@VIR). > 4. How long did it take? It took about a month. But I can't say if that's usual turnaround or not. Remember, my paintjob was being done as part of a favor owed to me. Plus I was on travel for most of the time and wasn't in any rush to get my m/c back. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 21 21:46:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBM2kOh09298 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBM2lic20113; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:47:44 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Charles V. Pena" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:47:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: DC Cycles References: <852569BC.007DD064.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> <3A42BDD5.1936E0CA@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3A42BDD5.1936E0CA@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012212147440A.01107@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Charles V. Pena wrote: > I'm pretty sure he can paint metal too -- but, again, I'd give him a > call. I assume so too... or does your GSXR have a plastic tank? :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 01:38:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBM6c4h12645 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001222063751.WISI10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:37:51 -0800 Message-ID: <004901c06be1$8e224c80$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <20001221155905.11203.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: More Garmin and OD Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:36:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > a moto-fix....c'mon Jan. 13th!! > > what is the significance of this date? is this our philly > trip? that's more of a liver fix than a moto-fix! ;) > Well, that's my birthday but I don't think that's what Todd's talking about. -James From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 09:41:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMEfih20531 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-59.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.123]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29310; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:41:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A43684C.715F6AB0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:42:20 -0500 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: roach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting References: <852569BC.007DD064.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> <3A42BDD5.1936E0CA@ix.netcom.com> <0012212147440A.01107@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Always the smartass! %^) I could be a smartass too and say that my Gixxer has carbon/kevlar bodywork and tank from Yoyodyne (yes, they actually make it for my '93), but I don't. But, duh! Why didn't I think of that? Chuck Brian Roach wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Charles V. Pena wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure he can paint metal too -- but, again, I'd give him a > > call. > > I assume so too... or does your GSXR have a plastic tank? From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 10:50:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMFonh21618 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G5Z00B017Z67Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:49:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G5Z008IT7XXM8@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:49:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G5Z008017W31X@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:48:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G5Z008017W21N@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:48:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G5Z0073Z7VQIX@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:47:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:47:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: More Garmin and OD To: James Reazor Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A4377A8.8BD9CE06@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001221155905.11203.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> <004901c06be1$8e224c80$856a0618@XXXXXX> James Reazor wrote: > > > > > > a moto-fix....c'mon Jan. 13th!! > > > > what is the significance of this date? is this our philly > > trip? that's more of a liver fix than a moto-fix! ;) > > > > Well, that's my birthday but I don't think that's what Todd's talking about. > > -James The International Motorcycle show will be going on in Philadelphia that weekend. Road conditions permitting, some of us will be riding up from the DC area. More details here: http://www.motorcycleshows.com/ph.cfm Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 11:17:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMGHsh22010 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G5Z00G0198Q8R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G5Z00DC197XZC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G5Z0020197KLU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:16:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G5Z0020197EKG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:16:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G5Z00MD4976F2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:16:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:16:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: gilmore to RNC? To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3A437E54.9D24541F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Apologies for the off-topic post, but in reading the Washington Post about VA Governor Gilmore being tapped to head the RNC, I came across this: "Under Virginia Law, Gilmore may not succeed himself as governor" Here's the link: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38501-2000Dec21.html Governors can't get re-elected in Virginia? It'd be a shame to lose him now that the personal property tax cut he promised is continuing along... Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 11:32:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMGWXh22245 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBMGWUw5534106 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:32:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A43821C.F9BC4F4E@radix.net> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:32:28 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? References: <3A437E54.9D24541F@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > Apologies for the off-topic post, but in reading > the Washington Post about VA Governor Gilmore being > tapped to head the RNC, I came across this: OMG ! shouldn't we be on the NEW list ??? ;-) > > "Under Virginia Law, Gilmore may not succeed himself > as governor" He's already been reelected, correct (he's term limited) ? > Here's the link: > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38501-2000Dec21.html > > Governors can't get re-elected in Virginia? It'd be > a shame to lose him now that the personal property tax > cut he promised is continuing along... It'll be pretty unpopular to abandon or otherwise roll back the (hated car tax) repeal... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 11:42:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMGgph22404 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:42:03 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000122208424913030 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:42:50 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-162.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.162]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:41:52 -0500 Message-Id: <3A438435.464A47F0@trw.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:41:24 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? References: <3A437E54.9D24541F@home.com> <3A43821C.F9BC4F4E@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to the Virginia constitution, a Governer may not serve consecutive terms. James Gilmore has been elected once (in 1997) and is entering the final year of his 4-year term, which ends in January of 2002. -- Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 12:54:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBMHsNh23501 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 21546 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 09:54:11 -0800 Received: from 1Cust163.tnt10.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.39.89.163) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 09:54:11 -0800 X-Sent: 22 Dec 2000 17:54:11 GMT Message-ID: <007201c06c40$a7651420$a359273f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "DC Cycles List" References: <3A437E54.9D24541F@home.com> <3A43821C.F9BC4F4E@radix.net> Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:57:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > OMG ! shouldn't we be on the NEW list ??? ;-) > Ahh, you jest, Mr. Yates, but those of us on the new list have kept our off-topic posts there, and have actually had some interesting discussions about some fun stuff...skiing trips, shooting night, etc. We're just trying to keep those who wish to see all moto-related stuff from getting pissed on this list. ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 13:07:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBMI7Lh23731 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:07:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001222180718.99850.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:07:18 PST Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: UTBgilmore to RNC?NOW Other list To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We're just trying > to keep those who wish to see all moto-related stuff > from getting pissed on > this list. ;-) > > LAG> snip > Yea and those darn digest lurkers won't be whining about how big the file is :-P Trey (Flame retardent poster)or is it retarted :*)) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 13:20:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMIKCh24006 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBMIK6w5412999 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:20:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A439B52.398CAB74@radix.net> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:20:02 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? References: <3A437E54.9D24541F@home.com> <3A43821C.F9BC4F4E@radix.net> <007201c06c40$a7651420$a359273f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Granato wrote: > > > > > OMG ! shouldn't we be on the NEW list ??? ;-) > > > Ahh, you jest, Mr. Yates, but those of us on the new list have kept our > off-topic posts there, and have actually had some interesting discussions > about some fun stuff Say hi to everyone for me ! ...skiing trips, shooting night, What ? No bayonet night ? > etc. We're just trying > to keep those who wish to see all moto-related stuff from getting pissed on > this list. ;-) c'mon, without O/T posts, we'd've never had such classics as Squeakers, Dick Anger, Anker whatever ; some epic flames have erupted from admonishing (lack of) snippage, and my personal favorite - rear brake usage... Happy Holidays ! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 14:11:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMJBCh24742 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.163.114.212]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3A43A6BA.C3080AC8@cox.rr.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:08:42 -0500 From: +Andrew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Vespa Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand the appeal of these.... They are as much as a small MC, they aren't fast and you are subjuct to all the same problems as a MC in terms of licensening, parking age minimum etc. Is it just because they are so non-intimidating to the "novice" and "just for fun" riders? +Andrew "Smith, Steven" wrote: > Point of information: Baited breath is a condition common among ice > fishermen who use desperate measures to keep their worms alive. Moto > content: My first ride on two wheels was a Cushman owned by the > neighborhood paperboy. I think I'm nostalgic for two-strokes. Not to be > confused with that obsession described in "Silence of the Cams". > > Crash > Peoples Republic of Alexandria > AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 > 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > > > -----Original Message-----From: eschelzig@XXXXXX > > > > I know all of you have been awaiting the re-introduction of the Vespa > > scooter to the United States with baited breath -- okay, maybe not *all* > of > > you -- so I had a question that maybe someone here can answer. Are there > > any Vespa clubs or shops in the DC area? Any and all info would be > > appreciated. Probably better to do so off-list. > > > > thanks and bests, > > > > Erik > > > > klr650 a15 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 15:02:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBMK2jh25588 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA18123; Fri, 22 Dec 1972 15:09:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1972 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: kz@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: My deleted messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...CapAccess overwrote a number of mailboxes, including mine. So, if you sent me email between Sept 22 and Dec 20 (2000, not 1972) and were expecting a reply that you haven't received, please re-send. Thanks. --garcia "Happiness is nothing more than good health and a bad memory." --Albert Schweitzer From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 15:26:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMKPxh25889 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-34.patriot.net [209.249.181.34]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBMKCJW03048; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3A43B4AD.D536B535@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:08:13 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? References: <3A437E54.9D24541F@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Apologies for the off-topic post, but in reading > the Washington Post about VA Governor Gilmore being > tapped to head the RNC, I came across this: > > "Under Virginia Law, Gilmore may not succeed himself > as governor" > > Here's the link: > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38501-2000Dec21.html > > Governors can't get re-elected in Virginia? It'd be > a shame to lose him now that the personal property tax > cut he promised is continuing along... > > HAHAHAHAHA... Oh, yeah, the poorly thought out *tax cut* that has brought the commonwealth to the brink of bankruptcy. Even many repub legislators are gagging over Jimbo *duh* Gilmore's plan to save the PP tax deal. Moto-related - Jimbo is too stupid to ride, hell, he can't even add numbers. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 18:58:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5.quixnet.net (psmtp5.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.55] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMNwuh29108 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer (1Cust157.tnt2.lorton.va.da.uu.net [63.23.103.157]) by smtp5.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16325 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:58:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001b01c06c73$b9c4dfa0$9d67173f@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: motorcycle painting Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:03:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C06C49.CF007520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C06C49.CF007520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For whatever it's worth, I would like to add that Noah, of better off = bodyworks has become a personal friend of mine. We have ridden together = on several occasions and I respect his ability. He is also painting my = helmet to match my bike. He's a hard worker and will do his best you = accommodate you. I don't think, however, that he does airbrush work. I = believe he subs. it out. If you need something painted, give him a try. = I think you'll be satisfied ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C06C49.CF007520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For whatever it's worth, I would like = to add that=20 Noah, of better off bodyworks has become a personal friend of mine. We = have=20 ridden together on several occasions and I respect his ability. He is = also=20 painting my helmet to match my bike. He's a hard worker and will do his = best you=20 accommodate you. I don't think, however, that he does airbrush work. I = believe=20 he subs. it out. If you need something painted, give him a try. I think = you'll=20 be satisfied
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C06C49.CF007520-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 22 19:23:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBN0NRh29561 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:23:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001223002317.23336.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.40.98] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:23:17 PST Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:23:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? To: Dave Yates Cc: DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > c'mon, without O/T posts, we'd've never had such > classics as Squeakers, Dick Anger, Anker whatever ; some > epic flames have erupted from admonishing (lack of) > snippage, and my personal favorite - rear brake > usage... studies have shown that even casual rear-brake usage leads to more serious, stupid behavior down the line. plus, a strong correlation has been found between rear brake usage and depression--something to think about during the holidays, which are a depressing time for many people to begin with. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 23 01:24:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBN6O3h04913 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10950 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA26106 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.220]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G60CFL00.6OO for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:23:45 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:23:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Well, I spent the day trying to find an Office Depot with the GPS III+ (even a floor model). I finally called Office Depot's online customer service and was told that no one who has it on order will ever see them. They will not be restocked. They even checked ALL the stores in the US for me. All I ended up with was "Sorry, would you like to order something else?" I guess what pisses me off is Wednesday I called and was told they would ship direct from the factory. Now a different story. Gary From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 23 13:42:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBNIgXh18956 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:39:46 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:39:30 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: Seasons Greetings everyone and...er a technical question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBNIigh18957 Seasons Greetings and Salutations fellow motorcyclists. Ok here's my question. I went and looked at a 96 FZR today ( yes I know it's 15 degrees) and of course it wouldn't start. It cranked ok and it backfired a few times. I though maybe it was flooded so I turned the petcock to the left position, off? and fuel started leaking out. The owner didn't seem to know anything about the petcock or what is was hmm? I guess he left it on all the time. Now by having the fuel on all the time I am assuming that the carbs are flooded and maybe the combustion chamber too. Is this necessarily a bad thing? The bike has been sitting in a garage since September. The bike was clean with 6K on the Odo, the chain and sprockets as well as the fork seals looked good. A little damage on the right side from a minor drop. I can probably get it for less then 3K and don't mind removing the carbs for cleaning and other maintenance. Is there anything else I should look for? Thanks for any input Cheers George Cole 00 VFR ?? Cheap something for track days From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 23 14:02:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.40.145]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBNJ2Uh19269 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from boink.hartzler.net (adsl-141-156-134-14.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.156.134.14]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28716; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (IDENT:ph@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by boink.hartzler.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03058; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:02:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:02:26 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: George Cole cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Seasons Greetings everyone and...er a technical question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... Leaking out from where??? If the carb's needle valve is also leaky, which is how the cylinder would get flooded without goosing the throttle, etc., then it's possible to end up with fuel in the crankcase oil as well. If the oil level mysteriously increases or (absent a history) is too high, that's a bad sign... Compression testing comes to mind... -ph On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, George Cole wrote in part: > maybe it was flooded so I turned the petcock to the left position, > off? and fuel started leaking out. > I guess he left it on all the time. > Now by having the fuel on all the time I am assuming that the carbs > are flooded and maybe the combustion chamber too. Is this necessarily > a bad thing? The bike has been sitting in a garage since September. > Is there anything else I should look for? From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 23 16:10:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBNLAZh21027 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:07:52 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:06:37 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Seasons Greetings everyone and...er a technical question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBNLB1h21028 >> Peter Hartzler wrote "Hmmm...Leaking out from where???" It leaked out from the petcock best I could tell. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 23 22:27:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBO3RMh26578 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-3-130.s892.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.130]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14A1od-0007QQ-00 ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:27:19 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New ZX-7R??? Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:28:28 -0800 Message-ID: <4sa1aqsfh0e420b2949115et5kr5lg8pgi@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBO3Rfh26579 I heard it was being pushed back to 2002. On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:06:52 -0500, you wrote: |>Has anyone heard anything about an updated 7R from Kawasaki? I heard |>2001, but no one's saying anything about it.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 23 22:38:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBO3c3h26728 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-3-130.s892.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.130]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14A1yz-0000gv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:38:01 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New classifieds site Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:39:11 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id eBO3c8h26729 I have created a classifieds webpage for motorcycle related ads. I'm hoping it becomes popular. http://motorcycle-info.com/classifieds Listings are, and always will be free, and I refuse to have popup banners ( how annoying! ) Right now i have some gsxr parts on it, and some AGV riding gear. Check it out and submit something if you like. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 23 22:56:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBO3uXh26977 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-4.patriot.net [209.249.181.4]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBO3uSW30025; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:56:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3A4572F5.B2D1CD1D@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:52:21 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: "<" Subject: Re: Seasons Greetings everyone and...er a technical question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Cole wrote: > Seasons Greetings and Salutations fellow motorcyclists. > > Ok here's my question. > > I went and looked at a 96 FZR today ( yes I know it's 15 degrees) and of course it wouldn't start. It cranked ok and it backfired a few times. I though maybe it was flooded so I turned the petcock to the left position, off? and fuel started leaking out. > > The owner didn't seem to know anything about the petcock or what is was hmm? I guess he left it on all the time. > > Now by having the fuel on all the time I am assuming that the carbs are flooded and maybe the combustion chamber too. Is this necessarily a bad thing? The bike has been sitting in a garage since September. > > The bike was clean with 6K on the Odo, the chain and sprockets as well as the fork seals looked good. A little damage on the right side from a minor drop. I can probably get it for less then 3K and don't mind removing the carbs for cleaning and other maintenance. Is there anything else I should look for? Hmm... sounds like typical long term storage without prep. The gas is probably junk, and the the carbs are probably gummed. It could have bent.damaged valves from overrev, but jap bikes are pretty damn immune to that kind of abuse. If you want to hear it run, drain the gas, replace with a gallon of fresh gas, drain the carb bowls if possible (most have drain plugs), remove plugs, check compression and blow off any junk by spinning the engine with plugs out (ground spark plugs). It should fire up, ut if carbs are gummy it won't run worth a crap. Considering the relitive bullitproofness of jap crap, if you can get a *deal* on it you'll probably get a deal. Back in the late 70s I bought a wrecked Honda 350 for $75. Fixed it, rode the crap out of it, sold it to a kid down the street who used it for four freaking years commuting from Annandale VA to Ferrum college! Tires, chains, oil, and gas were his only investments. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 24 02:00:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBO704h29769 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.6f.ee7b397 (4402) for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:59:55 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.ee7b397.2776f8eb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:59:55 EST Subject: so long for now To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 115 I just wanted to drop a note to all the friends I've met from the list and at the track. Since I left the area in June I haven't had the time to read anything posted on the list. My hope was that I would be able to stay in contact in my "spare" time but it hasn't happened that way. As one of the few original DC-CYCLES RACING team members left on this list, I wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped and or supported us. From the 4 hour endurance at S.P. to my 140+mph get off at S.C. There has never been a lack of support and for that I thank you. I hope to some day make it back to the area and ride/race with you all again. I'm unsubscribing for now but hope to be back on some day. Those that are interested can contact me off list at: moto748@XXXXXX see ya, jeff From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 24 14:00:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBOJ0eh10848 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20409 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA19563 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:00:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001224190035.23624.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.121] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:00:35 PST Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Office Depot / Garmin GPS's To: Gary Foreman , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Well, I spent the day trying to find an Office Depot with > the GPS III+ (even a floor model). I finally called > Office Depot's online customer service and was told that > no one who has it on order will ever see them. They will > not be restocked. They even checked ALL the stores in the > US for me. All I ended up with was "Sorry, would you like > to order something else?" > > I guess what pisses me off is Wednesday I called and was > told they would ship direct from the factory. Now a > different story. :( -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 24 17:40:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.40.143]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBOMeLh13891 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigbox (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25116; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:40:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001001c06dfa$e1ac7040$0200a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas Zell" To: , Subject: To all of our friends, Have a safe and Joyous Holiday Season! Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:43:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hope everything is well for everyone! Thomas and Jeannette Zell Hera Red Stripe, and the Ghost of Zeus, too! From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 11:08:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f21.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBQG8Fh21435 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:08:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:08:03 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:08:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gilmore to RNC? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:08:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2000 16:08:03.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[06541C20:01C06F56] >Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:08:13 -0500 >From: Bill Huson >To: Dale Horstman >CC: DC Cycles List >Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? > > > >Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Apologies for the off-topic post, but in reading > > the Washington Post about VA Governor Gilmore being > > tapped to head the RNC, I came across this: > > > > "Under Virginia Law, Gilmore may not succeed himself > > as governor" > > > > Here's the link: > > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38501-2000Dec21.html > > > > Governors can't get re-elected in Virginia? It'd be > > a shame to lose him now that the personal property tax > > cut he promised is continuing along... > > > > > >HAHAHAHAHA... Oh, yeah, the poorly thought out *tax cut* that has >brought the commonwealth to the brink of bankruptcy. Even many repub >legislators are gagging over Jimbo *duh* Gilmore's plan to save the PP >tax deal. > >Moto-related - Jimbo is too stupid to ride, hell, he can't even add >numbers. > >Bill What are you basing this claim on Bill? Which legislators? Is Gilmores personal property tax relief in jeopardy? I hadn't heard that until now. I've been looking over the office of finance Monthly General Fund Data reports and I don't see anything to indicate a near bankrupt state. In fact, revenues received have been outperforming consistently month-to-month for the past year. Try not to forget that this was a 'Tax Relief' act that properly places earned income back into the hands of those who earn/ed it, allowing the citizens to prosper. Virginia isn't in any danger of bankruptcy. It happens to be one of the most prosperous states in the union. Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 11:28:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f53.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBQGSJh21721 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:28:11 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:28:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Seasons Greetings....96 FZR Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:28:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2000 16:28:11.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6972A10:01C06F58] >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:39:30 -0600 >From: "George Cole" >Seasons Greetings and Salutations fellow motorcyclists. > >Ok here's my question. > >I went and looked at a 96 FZR today ( yes I know it's 15 degrees) and of >course it wouldn't start. It cranked ok and it backfired a few times. I >though maybe it was flooded so I turned the petcock to the left position, >off? and fuel started leaking out. > >The owner didn't seem to know anything about the petcock or what is was >hmm? I guess he left it on all the time. > >Now by having the fuel on all the time I am assuming that the carbs are >flooded and maybe the combustion chamber too. Is this necessarily a bad >thing? The bike has been sitting in a garage since September. > If the float valves are bad, the carbs could concievably overfill, draining gasoline into the chambers. This isn't likely to be a condition of a 1996 model though. It is not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it is even more unlikely. Was the bike garaged? Has it been sitting a long time? I ask because you said it cranked 'ok'. A bike that has been sitting by itself for awhile will drain the battery in trickles, and at 15 degrees I'd be surprised you could get it to crank over even badly. How did the gasoline smell. There is a definite 'stink' to old gasoline, quite contrary to that lovely benzene you get at the pump :-) >The bike was clean with 6K on the Odo, the chain and sprockets as well as >the fork seals looked good. A little damage on the right side from a minor >drop. I can probably get it for less then 3K and don't mind removing the >carbs for cleaning and other maintenance. Is there anything else I should >look for? > If you can get it for around 2.8k your doing good. If the bike has been neglected as you suspect, you'll need to clean up the carbs and probably the tank too. Good luck. >Thanks for any input > >Cheers > >George Cole >00 VFR Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 12:34:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBQHYih22671 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:34:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'asm@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Vespa Question Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:34:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Had to be there, I guess. During the Jurassic, scooters were dirt cheap transportation and had a nearly limitless potential for hooliganism. Most of the hooliganism was related to escape and evasion maneuvers impossible for larger and heavier vehicles. Not to mention being able to tear around town for a week on a dollar's worth of gasoline. Nowadays motorcycle ownership requires some real dosh for a decent machine, maintenance, fuel, insurance, and the rest. By comparison, scooters are cheaper to buy and operate, and more likely to be within the means of a kid. At least, I'm not aware of any small, road legal motorcycles as inexpensive as scooters. They can take a fair amount of abuse and even a 50cc can go faster than the limit everywhere in the city. Crash > -----Original Message-----From: +Andrew ----- > > I don't understand the appeal of these.... They are as much as a small MC, > they aren't fast and you are subjuct to all the same problems as a MC in terms > of licensening, parking age minimum etc. Is it just because they are so > non-intimidating to the "novice" and "just for fun" riders? > > +Andrew From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 12:40:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBQHeEh22751 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-8.patriot.net [209.249.181.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBQHe3W10781; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:40:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3A48D6F8.B60B7484@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:35:52 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > What are you basing this claim on Bill? Which legislators? Is Gilmores > personal property tax relief in jeopardy? I hadn't heard that until now. > > I've been looking over the office of finance Monthly General Fund Data > reports and I don't see anything to indicate a near bankrupt state. In > fact, revenues received have been outperforming consistently month-to-month > for the past year. > > Try not to forget that this was a 'Tax Relief' act that properly places > earned income back into the hands of those who earn/ed it, allowing the > citizens to prosper. Virginia isn't in any danger of bankruptcy. It > happens to be one of the most prosperous states in the union. > Oh, dear me, try reading a newspaper. Gilmore's poorly devised tax relief plan was based on continued economic growth which at the time was record setting. It has a bail-out clause, if the economy withered the no-car-tax deal would be stalled before VA dipped into reserve funds to support it. Well, the economy has withered. But Jimmy, in a desprate move to save face, devised yet another plan which will mortgage VA's future and put the state in red. Like I said, even several of his republican compadres were agast. But to cut the car tax plan would be a disastor, for Jimmy and the repubs. So my guess is they'll do what its takes to save their respective political carreers with little thought for us, the citizens, and the continued fiscal responsability of VA. Do I like the car tax? No, who does. But from the get-go I knew Jimmy's plan had one ourpose, get him elected and the hell with the economic aftermath. The car tax will have to be replaced with higher sales tax or an add-on county income tax. If not, VA will slide into the shitter of no money for assorted programs, some of which will be decimated by Jimmy's "save my political ass" plan to keep the car tax relief going. I could say wake up and smell the roses, but in this case it would be wake up and smell the dung. Jimmy buried you in bullshit. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 13:06:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBQI5vh23190 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7970 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2000 18:05:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20001226180554.7969.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:05:54 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:05:54 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? To: Bill Huson , Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > >The car tax will have to be replaced with higher sales > tax or an add-on county > income tax. If not, VA will slide into the shitter > of no money for assorted > programs, some of which will be decimated . . . Personally, I'd much rather see a bunch of programs decimated that see the continuation of the current level of taxation. Several years ago, (the first time I voted as a resident of Virginia) there was a referendum about enacting a state lottery. 100% of the revenues of said lottery were to go for education. Not only that, but it took a supermajority of both houses of the state legislature as well as the governor to change that distribution. Only a couple of years later, there was another referendum on the ballot to support bond issues for schools since the lottery funds were no longer 100% for education. Since then, I support lower taxes, and cutting of programs. It doesn't matter to me what programs they ask to cut or why they are asking for the money. The politicians we elect will find a way to support programs that deserve to be supported and they will find another way to get the money to do it. None of the politicians running for office have ever been able to cut the gov't as much as they said they would cut it, did he over-promise, of course he did. But if Beyer had been elected we wouldn't have gotten the cut we did, the economy would still be sliding down, and instead of stopping a tax-cut, we'd be talking about another increase on top of the taxes we were paying before the cut. I don't care what gov't says they're going to do, I want less of it. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 13:17:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBQIHkh23361 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com ([209.249.185.69]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18063; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:17:23 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001226131211.029600c0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:13:39 -0500 To: Bill Huson From: Troutman Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? Cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3A48D6F8.B60B7484@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Please take this liberal puke off list. It is making me nauseous. The only vague moto content is the car tax, which no one likes and I am glad to see gone. At 12:35 PM 12/26/00, Bill Huson wrote: >Do I like the car tax? No, who does. But from the get-go I knew Jimmy's plan >had one ourpose, get him elected and the hell with the economic >aftermath. The >car tax will have to be replaced with higher sales tax or an add-on county >income tax. If not, VA will slide into the shitter of no money for assorted >programs, some of which will be decimated by Jimmy's "save my political ass" >plan to keep the car tax relief going. > >I could say wake up and smell the roses, but in this case it would be wake up >and smell the dung. Jimmy buried you in bullshit. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 13:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBQIc0h23657 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G6600201UEYNN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:37:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G6600IN9UEY76@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:37:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G6600701UEYQN@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:37:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G6600701UETPR@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:37:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G660057HUES3C@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:37:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:37:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? To: Leon Begeman Cc: Bill Huson , Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A48E576.FCAAA192@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001226180554.7969.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > I don't care what gov't says they're going to do, I > want less of it. Me too. Go Gilmore. I hope he does whatever it takes to kill off this car tax forever. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 14:39:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f105.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBQJdah24546 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:39:28 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:39:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:39:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2000 19:39:28.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F629A60:01C06F73] >From: Bill Huson > >Oh, dear me, try reading a newspaper. Gilmore's poorly devised tax relief >plan was based on continued economic growth which at the time was record >setting. It has a bail-out clause, if the economy withered the no-car-tax >deal >would be stalled before VA dipped into reserve funds to support it. Well, >the >economy has withered. But Jimmy, in a desprate move to save face, devised >yet >another plan which will mortgage VA's future and put the state in red. >Like I >said, even several of his republican compadres were agast. But to cut the >car >tax plan would be a disastor, for Jimmy and the repubs. So my guess is >they'll >do what its takes to save their respective political carreers with little >thought for us, the citizens, and the continued fiscal responsability of >VA. > >Do I like the car tax? No, who does. But from the get-go I knew Jimmy's >plan >had one ourpose, get him elected and the hell with the economic aftermath. >The >car tax will have to be replaced with higher sales tax or an add-on county >income tax. If not, VA will slide into the shitter of no money for >assorted >programs, some of which will be decimated by Jimmy's "save my political >ass" >plan to keep the car tax relief going. > >I could say wake up and smell the roses, but in this case it would be wake >up >and smell the dung. Jimmy buried you in bullshit. > >Bill > Well. Thank you for your ....rhetorical reply. You didn't answer my direct questions as much as you tried to rub my face in your lib-rhetoric. The state of the VA economy is NOT being threatened by the tax-relief from PP taxes. Our finance office does a (too) good job keeping the money moving in. Please point to the specific budget hit that will "put the state in red". I'm fairly certain Gov. Gilmore is just a little more fiscally responsible than that. Maybe what you are perceiving as a governor scrambling to save his political career is really just a guy who feels that we (the citizens)are better abiters of our income than the gubmn't. Moto Content: I'm almost ready to buy my second, brand new vehicle as soon as the relief is final. My first being a motorcycle, my second being a motorcycle. Deliver me into the modern world Gov. Gilmore. ;-) T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 15:14:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBQKEsh25061 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:14:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001226201451.9718.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:14:51 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? To: Todd Peer , bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > > Moto Content: I'm almost ready to buy my second, brand > new vehicle as soon as the relief is final. My first > being a motorcycle, my second being a motorcycle. first and foremost, the Whizzer is NOT a motorcycle! if you buy one, prepare yourself for a serious ass-kicking! :) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 16:38:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBQLbwh26334 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-7.s7.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.7] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14B1n8-0003lM-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:37:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c06f84$0ebe69a0$07282c42@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:36:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 When I lived in Va. I found the personal property tax particularly irksome, and as Todd Peer notes, it is disincentive to buy new vehicles, including bikes [obligatory moto content]. You pay a hefty title transfer tax to buy the thing and then they hit you up twice a year. If I'm not mistaken, even with the repeal, you still have to go through all the rigmarole of buying stickers, for which you are charged a fee. I lived in Chicago for a while and they had a simple system. $50 flat rate per vehicle got you the required "City Sticker" regardless of the vehicle's value. Crude but effective, like many things in the Windy City. That said, the PP tax is a local levy. If folks don't like it, they can always march down to their county or city building and demand that the local pols lower the rate, or vote in the people who will. My beef with Gilmore's "repeal" scheme is that it's a slick transfer of funds from the state to the local level so the local pols don't have to make tough decisions and trade offs with respect to budget and tax policies. It is not a repeal at all, it is a rebate scheme and the local big spenders are getting a free ride compliments of the state treasury. I found Virginia's local taxes to be a real PITA generally. The car tax is another symptom of Virginia's oddball local government structure that places too much authority in the hands of county boards and strangles cities by making them "independent" with bloated budgets and the taxes to match. I grew up in Ohio where very different attitudes about property taxes and local governance in general prevailed. Local government is diffused within counties. My home county of 50,000 people had one city, five villages and thirty-some townships, in addition to four school districts and other sundry "public service" districts, like fire and sewer. Governance was pretty close to home and generally more accountable as a result. Any tax increase (except those levied statewide, i.e. sales and income taxes) had to be approved by popular consent at the polls and increases are generally for a fixed term. Local city and village councils, school districts, township boards, etc., have no taxing authority in the absence of voter consent. Needless to say there are no behemoths like the Fairfax County Supervisors who wield broad taxing and legislative powers. Ohio's system is basically the legacy of the state's New England founders and the tradition of the annual town meeting. Tax rates are not set by legislative fiat as they are by Virginia cities and counties. Of course, I live in DC, a different kettle of fish entirely, but least we don't have onerous personal property taxes and annual vehicle inspections. Paul in DC (long winded today) 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 08:50:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f306.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRDnxh11676 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:49:51 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:49:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:49:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2000 13:49:51.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2CA16E0:01C0700B] >From: Tom Gimer >To: Todd Peer , bhuson@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: gilmore to RNC? >Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) > >--- Todd Peer wrote: > > > > Moto Content: I'm almost ready to buy my second, brand > > new vehicle as soon as the relief is final. My first > > being a motorcycle, my second being a motorcycle. > >first and foremost, the Whizzer is NOT a motorcycle! if >you buy one, prepare yourself for a serious ass-kicking! > >:) > >-- >tg Ahhhh, I like a good whiz ;-) I was thinking more on the lines of a ZapBike.. http://www.zapbikes.com/lectra.htm Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 12:08:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRH8Jh14646 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-48.s48.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.48] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14BK3k-0007f3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01da01c07027$882d9ce0$8a2b2c42@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: PARR Polar Bear Run? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:52:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I haven't seen any advance publicity for this ride scheduled for Monday. PARR's web site is kind of sketchy on the details, other than meeting at the Sign of the Whale in Falls Church between 10 and noon. In any case, this year's should live up to its billing, unlike last year's balmy 55 degrees. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 12:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBRHPNh14896 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:25:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001227172520.16937.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:25:20 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:25:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Run? To: dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I haven't seen any advance publicity for this ride scheduled for Monday. > PARR's web site is kind of sketchy on the details, other than meeting at the > Sign of the Whale in Falls Church between 10 and noon. In any case, this > year's should live up to its billing, unlike last year's balmy 55 degrees. They aren't all that heavy in advertisement. I did receive a post card from them a few weeks ago reminding me of when it will be. Unfortunately this will be the first time since I started riding that I will not be attending (there goes 6 year bars in a row). I'll be up in Times Square with my girlfriend for New Years. (her office is right ON Times Square... dry, warm, and away from pickpockets!! Only have to look out the window, and there's the ball dropping down) And since my B-Day is on the 2nd, she informed me that I would NOT be returning on the 1st to make the run, she has other plans for me... To all that go, have fun, stay warm, and avoid the ice! Louis (who's chickening out and taking the Greyhound to NYC instead of the Concours) ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Thanks and sorry to interrupt your flamewars, Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 12:48:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRHmAh15285 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G6800B01MPHEV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:46:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G68009EUMPHCD@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:46:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G6800301MPG0Y@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:46:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G6800201MP0Z1@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:46:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G680023DMOUFV@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:46:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:46:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Run? To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles List Message-id: <3A4A2ADE.E56D2AE6@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <01da01c07027$882d9ce0$8a2b2c42@palladio> Paul Wilson wrote: > > I haven't seen any advance publicity for this ride scheduled for Monday. > PARR's web site is kind of sketchy on the details, other than meeting at the > Sign of the Whale in Falls Church between 10 and noon. In any case, this > year's should live up to its billing, unlike last year's balmy 55 degrees. PARR has always come up with pleasant routes in the past, I'm looking forward to riding another good one this time. Temperature won't the deciding factor on whether I make it - road conditions will be. Dale PS: It was great to finally ride in this morning. First time in about a week I felt comfortable enough with the roads to ride. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 13:04:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRI4rh15521 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.35.ea4198e (3964) for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.ea4198e.277b8934@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:04:36 EST Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 12/26/00 7:04:58 PM EST, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX writes: > Please take this liberal puke off list. It is making me nauseous. The only > vague moto content is the car tax, which no one likes and I am glad to see > gone. Hear hear! Anyone who likes the car tax enough to attack Gilmore's efforts to dispense with it is welcome to pay mine. Whatever happened to the list policy of summarily de-subscribing infiltrators from the nanny state? HCM From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 13:16:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRIGAh15765 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-86-49.s557.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.86.49] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14BL7O-0001Jk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:16:07 -0500 Message-ID: <039d01c07031$02e45240$8a2b2c42@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <01da01c07027$882d9ce0$8a2b2c42@palladio> <3A4A2ADE.E56D2AE6@home.com> Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Run? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:13:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, I guess my basic question is the duration is the ride. 4 hours at 20 degrees v. 2 hours at 20 degrees is a big difference. Hope the snow holds off. I'm getting a bad feeling about this storm that's supposed to hit on Friday night into Saturday. 3-4 inches coupled with persistent low temperatures could put the kibosh on riding on more interesting back roads for a while. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman To: Paul Wilson ; DC Cycles List Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Run? > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > I haven't seen any advance publicity for this ride scheduled for Monday. > > PARR's web site is kind of sketchy on the details, other than meeting at the > > Sign of the Whale in Falls Church between 10 and noon. In any case, this > > year's should live up to its billing, unlike last year's balmy 55 degrees. > > PARR has always come up with pleasant routes in the past, I'm > looking forward to riding another good one this time. Temperature > won't the deciding factor on whether I make it - road conditions will be. > > Dale > > PS: It was great to finally ride in this morning. First time in > about a week I felt comfortable enough with the roads to ride. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 13:56:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRIuuh16304 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00707 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07090 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBRIuf46208260 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:56:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A4A3B5D.97FAFA2@radix.net> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:56:29 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: info on BRP, Deals Gap, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm considering a trip to the area to take in the scenery. If anyone's ridden there, has info, tips, must see's, must avoid's, places to eat, stay etc, I'd be interested in any tips, or advice TIA! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 13:58:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRIwZh16378 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G6800H01Q1BLE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:58:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G6800G77Q1BKW@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:58:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G6800J01Q1BFR@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:58:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G6800J01Q14EC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:58:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G6800CL5Q11FA@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:58:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:58:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Run? To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc cycles Message-id: <3A4A3BC5.DF712BE7@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <01da01c07027$882d9ce0$8a2b2c42@palladio> <3A4A2ADE.E56D2AE6@XXXXXX> <039d01c07031$02e45240$8a2b2c42@palladio> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Well, I guess my basic question is the duration is the ride. 4 hours at 20 > degrees v. 2 hours at 20 degrees is a big difference. Hope the snow holds > off. I'm getting a bad feeling about this storm that's supposed to hit on > Friday night into Saturday. 3-4 inches coupled with persistent low > temperatures could put the kibosh on riding on more interesting > back roads for a while. Figure an 80 to 100 mile ride, and a couple of warm-up stops along the way. That's if you do the whole thing. Sometimes just riding out to the breakfast, saving the route sheet for a better day, and riding home is all I wanna do. :) Actually, last year, a bunch of us hit the McDonalds next door for breakfast instead of waiting in line at the crowded Sign of the Whale restaurant. That was pretty cool, too. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer (on loan from the wife) 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi (hers, too) 1982 Suzuki GS850G (mine?) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 14:02:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from atlas.niaid.nih.gov (atlas.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.240.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRJ25h16468 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by atlas.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EC@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Mina Sandusky To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:01:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If there is anyone out there who knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much into guns and whining about taxes please let me know off list. Mina > ---------- > From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 1:04 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 > > In a message dated 12/26/00 7:04:58 PM EST, > dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > writes: > > > Please take this liberal puke off list. It is making me nauseous. The > only > > vague moto content is the car tax, which no one likes and I am glad to > see > > gone. > > Hear hear! Anyone who likes the car tax enough to attack Gilmore's > efforts > to dispense with it is welcome to pay mine. Whatever happened to the > list > policy of summarily de-subscribing infiltrators from the nanny state? > > HCM > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 14:20:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRJKrh16818 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id OAA19972 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:20:49 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.19] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 26863498 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:20:49 -0500 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Run? To: DC Cycles List X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:20:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A4A2ADE.E56D2AE6@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Check out: http://potomacAreaRoadRiders.org/polar_bear_2001.htm My driveway (1/2 mile - too long to shovel) is still solid ice in places so I don't know if I'll make it out this year. I may drive over in the cage just to look. Andrew '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 14:28:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBRJSNh16910 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 3594 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 11:28:14 -0800 Date: 27 Dec 2000 11:28:14 -0800 Message-ID: <20001227192814.3593.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 27 Dec 2000 19:28:14 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 27 Dec 2000 11:28:14 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: MSandusky@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 On Wed, 27 December 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > > Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If there is anyone out there who > knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much into guns and whining > about taxes please let me know off list. > > Mina > not to be a bitch or anything, ok, maybe I am...but then leave. nothing is holding you here, and frankly, I could care less if someone who wants to get on here and call us a bunch of rednecks stays around. well, i've got to go put on my chaps, get on my horse, and ride on out of this here town for now....there's a hot guy and a cold, cold budweiser waiting for me at the local saloon. Yeeeeehawwwwww! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 14:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBRJW3h16994 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:32:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001227193159.1126.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:31:59 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:31:59 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb To: DC-Cycles Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's better than a bunch of commies into taxes and whining about guns. Trey --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 27 December 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > > > > > Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If > there is anyone out there who > > knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much > into guns and whining > > about taxes please let me know off list. > > > > Mina > > > > not to be a bitch or anything, ok, maybe I am...but > then leave. nothing is holding you here, and > frankly, I could care less if someone who wants to > get on here and call us a bunch of rednecks stays > around. > > well, i've got to go put on my chaps, get on my > horse, and ride on out of this here town for > now....there's a hot guy and a cold, cold budweiser > waiting for me at the local saloon. > > Yeeeeehawwwwww! > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 14:32:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBRJW4h16996 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:32:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001227193159.1126.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:31:59 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:31:59 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb To: DC-Cycles Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's better than a bunch of commies into taxes and whining about guns. Trey --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 27 December 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > > > > > Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If > there is anyone out there who > > knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much > into guns and whining > > about taxes please let me know off list. > > > > Mina > > > > not to be a bitch or anything, ok, maybe I am...but > then leave. nothing is holding you here, and > frankly, I could care less if someone who wants to > get on here and call us a bunch of rednecks stays > around. > > well, i've got to go put on my chaps, get on my > horse, and ride on out of this here town for > now....there's a hot guy and a cold, cold budweiser > waiting for me at the local saloon. > > Yeeeeehawwwwww! > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 14:40:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRJe9h17101 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00806 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07756 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25066; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:33:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Dave Yates" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: info on BRP, Deals Gap, etc Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:41:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A4A3B5D.97FAFA2@radix.net> I highly recommend the Cherohala Skyway as another road in the area around Deal's Gap that's a lot of fun. I actually enjoyed it more than the Gap since it's a little less stressful. The BRP is a great road also - I wish I had ridden it more when I went down there last year. You can't go wrong with most of the roads down there. It's curve heaven. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:56 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: info on BRP, Deals Gap, etc I'm considering a trip to the area to take in the scenery. If anyone's ridden there, has info, tips, must see's, must avoid's, places to eat, stay etc, I'd be interested in any tips, or advice TIA! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 15:04:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRK4bh17458 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00882 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08079 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com ([209.249.185.69]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25959 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:04:26 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001227145827.035d94f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:04:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Redneck Here Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I didn't mean any offense to any liberal pukes on list. I realize this is a diverse group, not all of us rednecks. Including me. Probably just the winter blahs. I should have gone for a ride Christmas day, but wound up too busy shuttling between family homes with gifts. Maybe it is time for an electric vest after all..... Gilmore is doing the right thing. It is easy to lay new taxes on our backs, and hard to pull them back off. It is frustrating having to pay taxes year after year on something I paid too much for to begin with. Don't care much for luxury taxes. Or sin taxes - just big brother's way of trying to influence my behavior without making it illegal. Do you realize that Canadians pay close to $6 for a pack of cigs, but beer is the same price as it is here? Most of our gas $ is tax, where is all of _that_ money going exactly? I'll stop. Maybe I should go with Dave to the BRP and Gap for a long weekend. Calm the nerves. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 15:07:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from atlas.niaid.nih.gov (atlas.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.240.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRK7rh17535 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by atlas.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:07:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EE@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Mina Sandusky To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:07:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I already unsubscribed > ---------- > From: LAURA GRANATO > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 2:28 PM > To: MSandusky@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 > > On Wed, 27 December 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > > > > > Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If there is anyone out there > who > > knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much into guns and whining > > about taxes please let me know off list. > > > > Mina > > > > not to be a bitch or anything, ok, maybe I am...but then leave. nothing > is holding you here, and frankly, I could care less if someone who wants > to get on here and call us a bunch of rednecks stays around. > > well, i've got to go put on my chaps, get on my horse, and ride on out of > this here town for now....there's a hot guy and a cold, cold budweiser > waiting for me at the local saloon. > > Yeeeeehawwwwww! > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 15:52:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRKqfh18235 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-12-180.s688.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.12.180] helo=twincam) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14BNYr-0000yR-00 ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:52:38 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01c07045$efff1560$b40c2c42@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: References: <20001227192814.3593.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:45:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Fresh horses and more whiskey for my men!!!! k.loerich =8^) ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 14:28 Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 > On Wed, 27 December 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > > > > > Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If there is anyone out there who > > knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much into guns and whining > > about taxes please let me know off list. > > > > Mina > > > > not to be a bitch or anything, ok, maybe I am...but then leave. nothing is holding you here, and frankly, I could care less if someone who wants to get on here and call us a bunch of rednecks stays around. > > well, i've got to go put on my chaps, get on my horse, and ride on out of this here town for now....there's a hot guy and a cold, cold budweiser waiting for me at the local saloon. > > Yeeeeehawwwwww! > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 16:09:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRL9Fh18494 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBRLBNc31694; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:11:32 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Mina Sandusky , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:11:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EC@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EC@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012271611230C.01107@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If there is anyone out there who > knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much into guns and whining > about taxes please let me know off list. > > Mina (must ... control ... fist .. of ... death ... ) Mina, Without being really cruel, my best suggestion is to get off the internet and find a small group of friends locally that share your exact same views. Out of the 400+ members, I believe maybe 5 - 6 have ever said anything about guns (other than in a joking reply)... and I only know of a couple that could actually be considered rednecks (and they're actually pretty nice folks :) ). Take 400 people from all walks of life. Put them in a room. You're not going to like some of them. Guaranteed. It's simply the law of averages. Because I'm tired of every troll that pops up whining about how "There's SO much off topic traffic", etc, I just did a little count - In the last 500 messages, there are about 10% off topic. You will be hard pressed to find another list or newsgroup on the internet with this low of signal to noise ratio. Most are FAR worse. If you can't use your delete key, can't use filters, or can't deal with people having different opinions and lifestyles than your own... I'm afraid this list (and the rest of the free world for that matter...) is not your cup of tea. And if you think this message is a bit rough, maybe you should think about quietly unsubscribing from the next mailing list you troll, instead of insulting everyone before you go. Via con dios. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 16:35:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRLZJh18970 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.81.4cf723b (15899) for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from web30.aolmail.aol.com (web30.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.6]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:34:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:34:59 EST From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <81.4cf723b.277bba83@aol.com> Hats off to Brian! You always manage to say exactly what I want to say.....only nicer of course 'cause I'm a redneck from Texas and I ain't as well versed as y'all. By the way, anyone got any shotguns for sale? lol Y'anto? Y'aight? Jess From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 16:42:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRLgQh19078 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01221 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA09632 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11053 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2000 22:10:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20001227221057.11052.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:10:57 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: info on BRP, Deals Gap, etc To: Christopher Weaver , Dave Yates , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The BRP is fun, particularly down at the south end. Cherohala can be ridden at a very fast pace, but has a rather low speed limit, it looked to me like a road that would be very easy to get in trouble on (Can you verify this, Todd?) I really liked 28 going south into Franklin, then just west of Franklin taking Wayah Rd (Rt 1310) Another option for guys like Kirk Roy would be Parson's Branch Rd or Rich Mtn Rd to come down out of Cades Cove. Both of these are primitive roads and are one way out of Cades Cove. Parson's Branch has a sign indicating a 45 minute travel time down to the Dragon, I've only timed myself once at 18 minutes. Leon. - - just another redneck who really likes the Deal's Gap area. --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > I highly recommend the Cherohala Skyway as another > road in the area around > Deal's Gap that's a lot of fun. I actually enjoyed > it more than the Gap > since it's a little less stressful. The BRP is a > great road also __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 16:53:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from atlas.niaid.nih.gov (atlas.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.240.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRLrvh19241; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by atlas.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:53:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EF@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Mina Sandusky To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:53:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I have been sitting here listening to some people whine for months, without saying a word. And every time a "liberal" on the list says anything left of fascist they're smeared. You say things like remove this liberal puke from the list. That's the shit that bugs me. I have a lot more patience for people with other views than some of you do. I'm not trying to censor people. What I wrote was far less offensive than what I've been reading. I never said that everyone on the list was a redneck. I stated that there were too many for me to stay on the list. I've unsubscribed from the list. I asked people who know of other groups to contact me off list. Why are you contacting me off list? Because you just want to flame me. And that's exactly why I wrote what I did and why I unsubscribed. Take some of your own advice. Mina > ---------- > From: Brian Roach > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:11 PM > To: Mina Sandusky; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 > > On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > > Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If there is anyone out there > who > > knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much into guns and whining > > about taxes please let me know off list. > > > > Mina > > (must ... control ... fist .. of ... death ... ) > > Mina, > > Without being really cruel, my best suggestion is to get off the internet > and find a small group of friends locally that share your exact same > views. > > Out of the 400+ members, I believe maybe 5 - 6 have ever said anything > about > guns (other than in a joking reply)... and I only know of a couple that > could > actually be considered rednecks (and they're actually pretty nice folks :) > ). > > Take 400 people from all walks of life. Put them in a room. You're not > going > to like some of them. Guaranteed. It's simply the law of averages. > > Because I'm tired of every troll that pops up whining about how "There's > SO > much off topic traffic", etc, I just did a little count - In the last 500 > messages, there are about 10% off topic. > > You will be hard pressed to find another list or newsgroup on the internet > > with this low of signal to noise ratio. Most are FAR worse. > > If you can't use your delete key, can't use filters, or can't deal with > people having different opinions and lifestyles than your own... I'm > afraid > this list (and the rest of the free world for that matter...) is not your > cup > of tea. > > And if you think this message is a bit rough, maybe you should think about > > quietly unsubscribing from the next mailing list you troll, instead of > insulting everyone before you go. > > Via con dios. > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 17:24:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRMOZh19684 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [172.16.50.2]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26707; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:24:24 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001227171552.02f4cca0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:24:03 -0500 To: Mina Sandusky From: Troutman Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EF@atlas.niaid.nih.gov > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:53 PM 12/27/2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: >You say things like remove this liberal >puke from the list. That's the shit that bugs me. Actually Mina, I was referring to the content, not the person. Bill isn't a liberal puke as far as I know. Laura and Bryan maybe. Not sure about Todd and Dave. Many people on the list tend to the right of the political spectrum because we believe in individual freedoms - like riding motorcycles. That means many of us are also interested in guns and politics and taxes. Occasionally that slips out on to the list, and it takes list nazis like myself to bitch slap people back into submission. But I digress. At any rate, your first post was evidently your last. You can't sit on the sidelines and coach the game. On your imaginary perfect list which you subscribe to next, try posting some content instead of sponging. If the list isn't what you thought it was, quietly unsub and slip into the night. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 17:53:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRMrMh20140 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBRMtbc32514; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:55:38 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Mina Sandusky , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:55:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EF@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EF@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012271755370E.01107@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > I have been sitting here listening to some people whine for months, > without saying a word. And every time a "liberal" on the list says anything > left of fascist they're smeared. You say things like remove this liberal > puke from the list. That's the shit that bugs me. I have a lot more > patience for people with other views than some of you do. I'm not trying to > censor people. What I wrote was far less offensive than what I've been > reading. I never said that everyone on the list was a redneck. I stated > that there were too many for me to stay on the list. > > I've unsubscribed from the list. I asked people who know of other > groups to contact me off list. Why are you contacting me off list? Because > you just want to flame me. And that's exactly why I wrote what I did and > why I unsubscribed. > > Take some of your own advice. > > Mina > Oh... no, I didn't flame you. But now I will. More sweeping generalizations! But you're not insulting everyone, right? If you didn't want to globally insult people on the list, and by that I mean insulting the "rednecks and gun-nuts" directly and in doing so, myself and others indirectly as some of those people are our friends (even though I may not agree with their views a great deal of the time...), then you didn't need to add that little holier-than-thou little comment, now did you? You "listened for months without saying a word". You're absolutly right. Searching the archives, I find 0 messages from you. Why is it always the trolls who have a problem with content? Please don't "whine" about it if you're not involved. Do you also complain about people having a conversation at the table next to you in a resturaunt? Or do you just not go to *those* types of resturaunts? You have a voice. If you're afraid to use it, I can't offer any advice. The only "liberals" who get smeared are the ones who post rhetoric without any supporting facts of evidence. In that regard, I don't care who someone is or what their viewpoint or political association is... they need to shut up. Perhaps if you ever POSTED anything in support of a particular issue, and could back up that opinion, maybe you wouldn't get "smeared". Case in point - The car tax thing IS an issue at the moment. As reported on the local news, Gilmore wants to take a lump sum in the tobacco settlement and apply it as "state revenue" so that the car tax reduction can continue. It seems there are stipulations in the reduction act that specifiy certain requirements that the state income have to meet. Right, wrong, or creative accounting, that has become an issue in Richmond, purportedly due to the slowing economy. See? That wasn't so hard, now was it? Of course, we'll never know... because you never posted. You simply trolled and then passed judgement on the entire group. Bah! Begone. And... for the record... I'm not a democrat, I'm not a republican. Unfortunatly, the two sides are too polarized for me and there's not one politician I'd invite to dinner, never mind vote for. I do believe in myself though, and post my opinions without fear of getting "smeared". Oh... and you know, I WILL "take some of my own advice"! Welcome to my kill file you frigging waste of carbon. Filters are such a wonderful thing. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 17:54:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRMsWh20150 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj33046a ([24.13.248.105]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001227225424.JHIT10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj33046a>; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:54:24 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c07057$f4fa8ba0$69f80d18@cj33046a> Reply-To: "Richard L. Casale" From: "Richard L. Casale" To: , "VFR Mailing List" Subject: Darien Jacket Owners !!! Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:54:23 -0500 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I am a VFR800 riding nut that rides full-time year around. Right now in D.C. it's 20 degrees outside--thankfully no snow. I'm looking for a better jacket then my current Motoport Spyder AX. I have read all the details on the Roadcrafter and Darien suits, but what I need to hear is testimonies from true owners. If you own a two-piece roadcrafter or more specifically a Darien Jacket and Pants combo, please let me know how the summer, rainy season, and dead winter experiences have been. I'm also looking to find out how much Polyurathane there is in the outer shell of the darien. it should say so in the label. What I'm hoping to find is a jacket that I can wear in the rainy spring and fall, plus a jacket that with the included fleece liner will keep me warm for about an hour's ride at highway speed in below freezing temps. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 18:09:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRN9Oh20389 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id eBRNBec32719; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:11:41 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Troutman Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:11:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001227171552.02f4cca0@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001227171552.02f4cca0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012271811400F.01107@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Troutman wrote: > Actually Mina, I was referring to the content, not the person. Bill isn't > a liberal puke as far as I know. Laura and Bryan maybe. Not sure about > Todd and Dave. Many people on the list tend to the right of the political > spectrum because we believe in individual freedoms - like riding > motorcycles. That means many of us are also interested in guns and > politics and taxes. Occasionally that slips out on to the list, and it > takes list nazis like myself to bitch slap people back into > submission. But I digress. :^P. Tell ya what, if you rebublicans would get outa women's wombs, stop praising jesus all the time, and acknowledge that we just don't need another #&%@# missle in this world (we have plenty, thanks), I might just come on over and join the party. Of course, if the democrats would stop trying to turn the US into a nanny-state (save the children! save the children! How about having the parents PAY ATTENTION TO THE CHILDREN and leave the rest of us the #^*@# alone??), stop trying to turn the US into a socialist state, and shoot Al Gore's psycho censorship wife Tipper in the head... I might be one of those as well. In short, I hate everyone. Merry X-mas :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 18:30:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fastandwily.com ([4.21.66.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRNUCh20766 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:30:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:27:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200012271827.AA9437796@fastandwily.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Scott Luttrell" Reply-To: To: Subject: Hawk GT racer and YSR50 streetbike for sale X-Mailer: www.fastandwily.com for all the details From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 18:47:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRNlth21012 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-72.s326.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.72] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14BQIF-0003J6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:47:40 -0500 Message-ID: <012801c0705f$57232920$56562c42@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <35.ea4198e.277b8934@aol.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:47:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, I can hold back no longer. As a former Virginia resident, and one who had no love of the tax, I can say is that there is plenty in Gilmore's slick car tax "repeal" to offend true conservatives and any other thinking person for that matter. Lately this saga reads more like grasping at straws so he can get out of town and wind up his resume stop as Governor before the s%$^ hits the fan. To wit: 1) Instead of a clean and simple repeal, all you got was a complex incremental rebate scheme, because high tax jurisdictions (No. Va. mainly) whined that they couldn't survive without milking the car tax teat. Instead folks in low tax jurisdictions down state are now subsidizing No. Va.'s high taxes via the state treasury. I thought conservatives were against redistribution of wealth. 2) The pain and impact to the treasury were shifted to the "out" years, so a certain faction got to pop the champagne corks and celebrate (not to mention win an election) and worry about truly fulfilling the promises later. 3) Instead of being out in the open for everyone to see the car tax in now hidden in other state taxes you pay. Government is not one iota "smaller" as a result of Gilmore's plan, and local governments have even less incentive to rein in their spending. 4) County and city stickers are still de rigueur, and none of the car tax bureaucracy at the local level has been dismantled. Again a clean repeal would have done away with it. "Smaller government", nope. 5) And the newest wrinkle: Use of the "tobacco settlement" for other than the supposed "noble" purposes that the litigation was supposed to accomplish, like discouraging kiddies from smoking. Instead it's just another slush fund for pols to play with. Any "conservative" (or motorcyclist for that matter) that thinks that state governments and hotshot trial lawyers beating up on legal but unpopular industries via class action lawsuits is a good idea needs to have his head examined. John Marshall was only partially right. He should have said "The power to tax and to sue is the power to destroy." Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 12/26/00 7:04:58 PM EST, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > writes: > > > Please take this liberal puke off list. It is making me nauseous. The only > > vague moto content is the car tax, which no one likes and I am glad to see > > gone. > > Hear hear! Anyone who likes the car tax enough to attack Gilmore's efforts > to dispense with it is welcome to pay mine. Whatever happened to the list > policy of summarily de-subscribing infiltrators from the nanny state? > > HCM > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 18:57:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRNvsh21170 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBRNvhI01002; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:57:43 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Richard L. Casale" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Darien Jacket Owners !!! In-Reply-To: <001701c07057$f4fa8ba0$69f80d18@cj33046a> References: <001701c07057$f4fa8ba0$69f80d18@cj33046a> In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:54:23 EST." <001701c07057$f4fa8ba0$69f80d18@cj33046a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1001.977961463@biber> In your message dated: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:54:23 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => I am a VFR800 riding nut that rides full-time year around. Right now in => D.C. it's 20 degrees outside--thankfully no snow. Yep. I'm not looking forward to my ride home tonight... => => I'm looking for a better jacket then my current Motoport Spyder AX. => => I have read all the details on the Roadcrafter and Darien suits, but what I => need to hear is testimonies from true owners. => => If you own a two-piece roadcrafter or more specifically a Darien Jacket and => Pants combo, please let me know how the summer, rainy season, and dead => winter experiences have been. I've got a 2-piece Roadcrafter. It's great in the rain, somewhat hot & sticky in the summer (gotta keep moving, especially when it's really warm) and quite good in the cold. That said, IMHO, there is NOTHING passive that will keep you warm in sub-freezing temps at highway speeds for any length of time. You've got to use electrics if you want to do more than slow the rate of heat lost. I've had my 'Stich for about 9 years (gah! is that possible!) and I'm about ready to get another one. => => I'm also looking to find out how much Polyurathane there is in the outer => shell of the darien. it should say so in the label. => => What I'm hoping to find is a jacket that I can wear in the rainy spring and => fall, plus a jacket that with the included fleece liner will keep me warm => for about an hour's ride at highway speed in below freezing temps. => => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 20:17:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBS1H5h22388 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.124] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A45FCEF00DA; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:16:15 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "'Richard L. Casale'" , Subject: RE: Darien Jacket Owners !!! Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:15:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c07084$d5f57080$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701c07057$f4fa8ba0$69f80d18@cj33046a> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi Richard, I own a Darien jacket (no pants though), and I thought I'd forward something I wrote to the Adventure Touring (dual-purpose crazies) about this subject. I wear an Aerostitch Darien jacket all year round, any weather. It is breathable and quite water proof. If you find water inside it is usually condensation more than anything. Its water-proof enough to not need a rain-suit over it. The jacket has the T-2 pads (with an optional back protector) which are considered to be some of the best and most sophisticated padding out there - basically giving you good impact protection with good all-day comfort. I had a 60 MPH get-off in the dessert, onto hard ground, landing straight on my shoulder and elbow and was able to ride out of there. It was 6 months later that I found out that I received a small fracture to my shoulder (which was healed by then). When riding in the heat you take out the zip-out liner, open the vents, loosen the waist straps and as long as you're moving you're fine. You can easily put ice packs or a large amount of ice in the two front pockets, or hose down the entire jacket to supplement the heat exchange on very hot rides. The outer pockets are water permeable to the outside so that the water permeates out to the outer fabric where it will find (hopefully) wind and air that it can evaporate into, thus cooling you off considerably. The direct cooling from the ice is just part of the bargain. When riding in cold conditions you close the vents and easily insert the zip in fleece/nylon liner that does a good job for me down to the 40 deg. F range (with another thin layer or two underneath). This liner looks pretty good and is very comfortable to wear on its own when you're out on foot too. It packs quite nicely in to its own pocket, and is useful as a pillow. If you need more heat you can buy their electric liner or vest. I have the vest (called Unobtanium) and find that it gives me a very wide range of temperature allowance - the vents closed, the heat on - good to the 40s with a t-shirt. Get a little warmer - shut down the heat. A bit warmer and you can open the vents - all this without taking the vest out of the jacket and re-packing it. Very useful if you have a large variance in temperature during the same stretch of road (or whatever you have your wheels rolling over...). If you wear a light sweatshirt underneath you'll do even better in lower temps. If it gets even colder, you can unzip the vest, wear it over a t-shirt and wear a sweat-shirt, fleece, or other thermal layers OVER it to keep the heat in. It also fits in nicely inside the regular zip-in fleece liner. It is very comfortable, heats well, and very durable. For lower body protection in hot riding I wear Draggin' Jeans - basically jeans with Kevlar around your buttocks and over your knees. They breath well and are extremely durable. You can soak them in water too, but they will not hold that water for too long in the heat. For cold weather I go one of two ways. I have nylon-lined rain-pants - which over jeans are OK in the 50-90 deg. temperature range. As long as you're moving they're not too hot when its hot, but will block out the wind quite nicely to save you're legs from becoming radiators for your blood. If it gets colder you can add layers underneath - thermal underwear, fleece pants, etc. The second choice is my HJC winter pants that will keep me nice and toasty easily into the 30 deg. range, and with more layers underneath - much lower. They are warmer than any ski pants I've ever worn and provide enough protection for my tastes. The biggest drawback to those is that they do not pack very small. The feet could be a problem - maybe consider going electric. I use Garne dual-sport boots for touring, but they are not water-proof or insulated. If you add some good thermal socks (Patagonia Expedition Weight !!!) you should be good with cold. You could also put on Gore-tex liner booties to make them water proof when you need it. When riding in hot climates I just let my feet get wet. In the cold I put a plastic bag over or inside the boot. This also stops any air exchange, making them much warmer. I manage with these solutions though they are not perfect. If I go on an exclusively cold ride I wear my Timberland snow hiking boots - comfort rated by Timberland to -25 deg. F and water-proof. Not too shabby, but you don't want to carry three pairs of boots with you on a long trip. Another sore spot are the hands. This winter I installed heated grips on my Beemer and they're wonderful ($40 I believe from Aerotitch). I wear mid-weight insulated gloves from Alpinestar (way over-rated and over-priced in my opinion...after the fact) and so far the combo has worked well. If it gets colder - use plastic bags over the gloves, or thin inserts inside them. For warm weather I wear flimsy light-weight gloves with leather palms and mesh nylon back. So far they've done a good enough job. For your neck - when it gets cold I have a fleece tube collar that I put on my neck and over the jacket collar. The electric vest has a heated collar, and with the fleece tube over it I'm nice and cozy. In the heat I don't put anything on, but heard of some spongy collars that you soak in water to help cool you down. For your head/face: Nothing in the heat, but when it gets really cold you might suffer. I have a ski neoprene face mask that has a fleece part that drops down to cover your neck. If I use that I usually don't need the fleece tube over my neck - unless its soooo cold. In short - I'm a great believer in packing light but being prepared. That means one jacket. One set of rain pants. Layers and electrics for when the little Fahrenheits decide to migrate somewhere else. If you go the electric route, find out how much your electric system can sustain and for how long, and you should probably install a volt-meter if you're close to capacity. In addition - I've heard only good things about the Brosh equipment, but its only for warm weather. Unless I'm mistaken - some or all of the vents do not close. That's all. Hope I didn't wear you out. Good luck. God Speed. Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 21:11:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBS2BNh23135 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 8617 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 18:11:11 -0800 Received: from 1Cust210.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.15.231.210) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 18:11:11 -0800 X-Sent: 28 Dec 2000 02:11:11 GMT Message-ID: <005d01c07073$f0e40840$d2e70f3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Mina Sandusky" , References: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EF@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:14:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I thought you unsubscribed....and exactly, what is your definition of redneck? a vast majority of us would love to know. LAG ----- Original Message ----- From: Mina Sandusky To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 > I have been sitting here listening to some people whine for months, > without saying a word. And every time a "liberal" on the list says anything > left of fascist they're smeared. You say things like remove this liberal > puke from the list. That's the shit that bugs me. I have a lot more patience > for people with other views than some of you do. I'm not trying to censor > people. What I wrote was far less offensive than what I've been reading. I > never said that everyone on the list was a redneck. I stated that there > were too many for me to stay on the list. > > I've unsubscribed from the list. I asked people who know of other > groups to contact me off list. Why are you contacting me off list? Because > you just want to flame me. And that's exactly why I wrote what I did and why > I unsubscribed. > > Take some of your own advice. > > Mina > > > ---------- > > From: Brian Roach > > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:11 PM > > To: Mina Sandusky; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 > > > > On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Mina Sandusky wrote: > > > Way too many rednecks on this list for me. If there is anyone out there > > who > > > knows of another mc list in DC that isn't so much into guns and whining > > > about taxes please let me know off list. > > > > > > Mina > > > > (must ... control ... fist .. of ... death ... ) > > > > Mina, > > > > Without being really cruel, my best suggestion is to get off the internet > > and find a small group of friends locally that share your exact same > > views. > > > > Out of the 400+ members, I believe maybe 5 - 6 have ever said anything > > about > > guns (other than in a joking reply)... and I only know of a couple that > > could > > actually be considered rednecks (and they're actually pretty nice folks :) > > ). > > > > Take 400 people from all walks of life. Put them in a room. You're not > > going > > to like some of them. Guaranteed. It's simply the law of averages. > > > > Because I'm tired of every troll that pops up whining about how "There's > > SO > > much off topic traffic", etc, I just did a little count - In the last 500 > > messages, there are about 10% off topic. > > > > You will be hard pressed to find another list or newsgroup on the internet > > > > with this low of signal to noise ratio. Most are FAR worse. > > > > If you can't use your delete key, can't use filters, or can't deal with > > people having different opinions and lifestyles than your own... I'm > > afraid > > this list (and the rest of the free world for that matter...) is not your > > cup > > of tea. > > > > And if you think this message is a bit rough, maybe you should think about > > > > quietly unsubscribing from the next mailing list you troll, instead of > > insulting everyone before you go. > > > > Via con dios. > > - Roach > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 22:19:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBS3JRh24250 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.48.f60b723 (7776) for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.f60b723.277c0b1f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:18:55 EST Subject: PARR ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 I for one won't be going this year. Went the last two years and while it was interesting seeing all the bikes lined up at the Sign of the Whale the routes were -well uh-boring. Last year a tour of the Md. suburbs and the year before the flatlands and oak scrub of P.G. and Charles Counties. Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 23:16:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBS4GFh25153 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA02186 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA14376 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:16:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001228041611.26681.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.91] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:16:11 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:16:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: info on BRP, Deals Gap, etc To: Leon Begeman , Christopher Weaver , Dave Yates , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Leon Begeman wrote: > The BRP is fun, particularly down at the south end. > Cherohala can be ridden at a very fast pace, but has a > rather low speed limit, it looked to me like a road > that would be very easy to get in trouble on (Can you > verify this, Todd?) leon, there is no reason to make us re-live this harrowing experience. todd and i were simply trying to enjoy the cherohola's curves, which cannot be done at the posted speed limit or in the designated lanes. you'll be happy to hear that neither of those tickets are going to appear on our records unless we have a similar experience in NC in the next year. > I really liked 28 going south > into Franklin, then just west of Franklin taking Wayah > Rd (Rt 1310) Another option for guys like Kirk Roy > would be Parson's Branch Rd or Rich Mtn Rd to come > down out of Cades Cove. Both of these are primitive > roads and are one way out of Cades Cove. Parson's > Branch has a sign indicating a 45 minute travel time > down to the Dragon, I've only timed myself once at 18 > minutes. i agree with leon on all of the above....why? because i know that leon appreciates a nice twisty road just as much as he appreciates riding a sportbike on roads which weren't designed for motorized transportation. crazy mfer! > Leon. > - - just another redneck who really likes the Deal's > Gap area. -- tg another redneck who also really likes the 'dragon' and its vicinity....and who hates people who have nothing to do other than complain. don't let the door hit you on the way out, mina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 01:20:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBS6KLh27043 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from AJRhino@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.bf.a2ef657 (10052) for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: AJRhino@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:20:11 EST Subject: Leather Jackets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 I'm due for a new leather riding jacket and had a few questions. I'd prefer all or almost all black, without graphics and a universal zipper that I could use to attach a pair of leather pants. I'd also like to spend no more than $300 or so. So far the best options seem to be the AGV Storm jacket and the Joe Rocket Speedway Jacket (currently on sale). Are there any major quality or fit differences between these jackets? Any other suggestions? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Adam Reinhardt From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 01:46:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1201.mail.yahoo.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBS6kwh27410 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26160 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2000 06:46:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20001228064655.26159.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.175.11.130] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:46:55 PST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Jackets To: AJRhino@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You might want to look at jackets by Fieldsheer. info at www.fieldsheer.com, or purchase online at www.brocktoncycles.com. Todd --- AJRhino@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm due for a new leather riding jacket and had a few questions. > I'd > prefer all or almost all black, without graphics and a universal > zipper that > I could use to attach a pair of leather pants. I'd also like to > spend no > more than $300 or so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 06:51:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBSBp6h02853 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBSBp446521907 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:51:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A4B291C.64C7BFBF@radix.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:50:52 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Darien Jacket Owners !!! References: <001701c07057$f4fa8ba0$69f80d18@cj33046a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Richard L. Casale" wrote: > > I am a VFR800 riding nut Well, nobody's perfect... > that rides full-time year around. Right now in > D.C. it's 20 degrees outside--thankfully no snow. Imagine my shock & horror as I'm being pelted (my cage actually) this morning thinking to myself - hmm, self, looks like the weathermen blew it again... tooling along in my Cobra, the Explorer sitting peacefully at home... damn weathermen... > I have read all the details on the Roadcrafter and Darien suits, but what I > need to hear is testimonies from true owners. This I can help with... This was my 1st riding season with the Aerostich Roadcrafter I previously rode with a Vent Tech 2 piece leather set that was great in hot weather & pretty good in the cold too. I actually had NO gripe with it. BUT, get caught in the rain, and that was another story. I picked up the stich off the list used, had it tailored (3 week maybe 4 turnaround) & started wearing it. At 1st, honestly, I didn't like it. Getting into & out of it is not as easy as they allege - I'm pretty nimble, & my best time is like 25 seconds... Maybe there's a trick I don't know, and others do it faster, but getting into & out of the Stich is pretty quick nonetheless. Once I got used to it, I did grow fond of it, and in fact wore it the entire riding season. Did I mention that I didn't have a car May through September ? The Zippers on the Stich do seep water, and in driving rain, you'll get wet at the seems. The stich is WAY hotter than my 2 pc. Vent Techs, and it doesn't flow as much air. That took some acclimation. I'm not much of a cold weather rider, but I do commute, so whatever I use, it's often over office attire. The stich is tough to bead for versatility, lots of pockets, obvious thought of design, tough, and somewhat water resistant. FWIW, the current MCN has an article that I'll likely read tonight about waterproofing the stich... HTH ! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 06:59:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBSBxih02943 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBSBxh46417609 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:59:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A4B2B22.AFF0A2EF@radix.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:59:30 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 References: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EF@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> <005d01c07073$f0e40840$d2e70f3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Granato wrote: > > I thought you unsubscribed....and exactly, what is your definition of > redneck? a vast majority of us would love to know. perhaps it's someone using their National Institute of Allergies & Infectious Diseases mail account inappropriately for flaming... just a thought... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 07:00:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBSC0Qh03031 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBSC0P46280704 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:00:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A4B2B4C.31568EFA@radix.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:00:12 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 12/26/00 References: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654AF22EF@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> <005d01c07073$f0e40840$d2e70f3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Granato wrote: > > I thought you unsubscribed....and exactly, what is your definition of > redneck? a vast majority of us would love to know. Isn't this off topic ? should we be on this list or the other list ? ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 07:50:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBSCoLh03770 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001228125018.28111.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.91] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:50:18 PST Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:50:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Leather Jackets To: AJRhino@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- AJRhino@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm due for a new leather riding jacket and had a few > questions. I'd prefer all or almost all black, without > graphics and a universal zipper that I could use to attach < a pair of leather pants. I'd also like to spend no > more than $300 or so. So far the best options seem to be > the AGV Storm jacket and the Joe Rocket Speedway Jacket > (currently on sale). Are there any major quality or fit > differences between these jackets? Any other suggestions? > Any help would be greatly appreciated. why not find some good, used vanson or fieldsheer (or both) equipment from a place like www.leatherexchange.com i'd rather own high-quality used leather than average- quality new leather -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 07:56:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBSCujh03795 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:56:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:56:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200012280756.AA267452782@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Run? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) >My driveway (1/2 mile - too long to shovel) is still solid ice in >places so I don't know if I'll make it out this year. I may drive >over in the cage just to look. > >Andrew >'90 EX500 Ice has traction when it's cold and dry - you could straddle-walk an EX500 on it. Or spread a bag of sand. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 07:59:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBSCxNh03869 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:59:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:59:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200012280759.AA63046146@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: PARR ride X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: McKeithen@XXXXXX >I for one won't be going this year. Went the last two years and while it was >interesting seeing all the bikes lined up at the Sign of the Whale the routes >were -well uh-boring. Last year a tour of the Md. suburbs and the year before >the flatlands and oak scrub of P.G. and Charles Counties. I have to agree about that "pleasure ride" through the Maryland suburbs just north of DC - that's not the kind of roads I ride for fun. However, the flatlands of PG and Charles County are much better than taking on the mountains in winter - icy curves in shadows are very common there. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 08:20:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9701.mail.yahoo.com (web9701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBSDKIh04245 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:20:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001228132015.3068.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9701.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:20:15 PST Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:20:15 -0800 (PST) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Polar Bears? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there a New Year's day ride this year? Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 08:29:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id eBSDTdh04331 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:29:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20001228132928.5311.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:29:28 PST Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:29:28 -0800 (PST) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: A Happy Kid To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A while back I asked this list for help finding a small motorcycle for my 9-year-old nephew for Christmas. I found one (1986 XR-80), fixed it up, and delivered it on MX-mas eve. Look here to see the happy kid: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=83414&a=105956