From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 09:52:08 1999 From: Jeanies01@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:51:22 EDT Subject: 750 Shadow windshield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I recently bought a 99 Honda Shadow 750 Deluxe. I had the dealer order and install the Honda windshield that goes on the bike. The mountings are all chrome and looks great.....however the shield is not adjustable and I really need it to be a couple of inches higher. Anyone out there know of another shield that might fit these mountings? Or are there any Shadow riders out there that know how I can raise this silly thing? Jeanie S. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 11:21:39 1999 From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: hit and run... Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:19:11 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BEDC0F.ADE5EEE0 l ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BEDC0F.ADE5EEE0

------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BEDC0F.ADE5EEE0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 12:16:11 1999 From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:13:45 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BEDC17.4D40BF40 Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 hours after my bike was = totalled in a stupid accident. Before anyone starts saying "I told you = so" or anything like that, let me say that I was doing none of the = "Squidly" behavior that I am frequently seen on these lists talking = about. I was merely making a left turn... I was heading northbound on MD Rt. 424 coming back from the store. = There is a slight rise in the road about 50 yards down from the parking = lot I was turning in to (the community center). As I always do on hills = and such, I moved farther to the right in my lane when approaching said = hill (I've heard plenty of horror stories, car and bike, about this kind = of thing happening). So, as I approach the crest in the road, I begin = braking to make the left turn. I see an oncoming car. He appears to be = in his lane. As I come off the rise, I discover, much to my surprise, = he is not. He is at least two feet into my lane, over the double = yellow. I have less than a second to react, and since I'm already on = the brakes, the bike didn't want to turn at all. He hit the front of = the left side, right by the turn signal. I suspect he didn't take my = leg off because he was already turning back into his lane. The bike, = either because of the impact, or my grabbing a whole shitload of front = brake, kicked the back end up and out to the side and I ended up doing a = skidding stoppie at about 30 miles an hour. The bike then hit the = ground and I was thrown off. It skidded away from me, and I rolled to a = stop. The car kept going. As soon as I stopped moving, I was standing = back up. People from the center were running towards me. I walked past = them, even though several tried to stop me, saying I needed to get = inside and clean myself up and see if I was hurt. I got inside, walked = into the bathroom and began checking myself out. Road rash all on my = arms and legs, through my pants and everything. I washed off my arms = and hands, and then realized my knee really hurt. I pulled aside my = tattered clothes to see a whole in my knee about the size of a quarter. = All the way to the bone. It was crazy. I immediately ran back outside, = and told everyone that I needed medical attention right away There was = no phone at the building, so my friend James and his girlfriend took me = to the nearest emergency room. After about 10 minutes, the adrenaline = wore off, and everything started to hurt. To make a long and gruesome = story short, after much screaming, and many injections, the doctors and = nurses at the Bowie Health Center, got me patched up enough that I could = go home. I am very lucky. No missing limbs and/or fingers, much = painful but otherwise harmless road rash, and a potentially really cool = looking scar on my knee. We eventually made it back to the scene, at = which time I was doped up on various shots and Vicadin. My friends had = cleaned up the bike, and moved it into the parking lot. We took some = poloroids of the wreckage, and in my drug induced delirium fell asleep. = I woke up the next day at a friends house, in a whole shitload of pain. = I called the police the next morning (I know, it was probably too late, = but I thought it was the right thing to do). They couldn't take a = statement over the phone, and said I needed to come back into Anne = Arundel County for me to speak to an officer. Of course, I couldn't get = to Anne Arundel county, because I had no transportation. My friends had = gone out to pick me up stuff for my wounds, and I spent the entire = morning on the phone with my insurance company. My insurance company = said that I should be covered under MD State uninsured motorists = something-or-other, and that a police report would help. The cop, when = I spoke to him that afternoon, said that because of lack of evidnece, = and that I couldn't get a hold of them quickly that he couldn't do a = report. He did give me an incident number, and hopefully everything = else will be taken care of by my insurance. They said that they will be = giving me the market value (supposedly higher thatn blue book) of the = totalled bike, a new helmet, and compensation for "pain and suffering" = (I'm still not sure what this is exaclty). So, depending on hom much = money I get, I might be getting an F4 or something along those lines. = I'm anticipating that once I heal up (at least two weeks before I can = ride again), that I will be out shopping around, and that everything = will turn out ok. =20 Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (destroyed) Annandale, Va PS - I'll have pictures of the destrucion soon... Maybe some pictures = of my wounds too :-) ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BEDC17.4D40BF40

Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 = hours after my=20 bike was totalled in a stupid accident. Before anyone starts = saying=20 "I told you so" or anything like that, let me say that I was = doing=20 none of the "Squidly" behavior that I am frequently seen on = these=20 lists talking about. I was merely making a left = turn...

I was heading northbound on MD Rt. 424 coming back = from the=20 store. There is a slight rise in the road about 50 yards down from = the=20 parking lot I was turning in to (the community center). As I = always do on=20 hills and such, I moved farther to the right in my lane when approaching = said=20 hill (I've heard plenty of horror stories, car and bike, about this kind = of=20 thing happening). So, as I approach the crest in the road, I = begin=20 braking to make the left turn. I see an oncoming car. He = appears to=20 be in his lane. As I come off the rise, I discover, much to my = surprise,=20 he is not. He is at least two feet into my lane, over the double=20 yellow. I have less than a second to react, and since I'm already = on the=20 brakes, the bike didn't want to turn at all. He hit the front of = the left=20 side, right by the turn signal. I suspect he didn't take my leg = off=20 because he was already turning back into his lane. The bike, = either=20 because of the impact, or my grabbing a whole shitload of front brake, = kicked=20 the back end up and out to the side and I ended up doing a skidding = stoppie at=20 about 30 miles an hour. The bike then hit the ground and I was = thrown=20 off. It skidded away from me, and I rolled to a stop. The = car kept=20 going. As soon as I stopped moving, I was standing back up. = People=20 from the center were running towards me. I walked past them, = even=20 though several tried to stop me, saying I needed to get inside and = clean=20 myself up and see if I was hurt. I got inside, walked into the = bathroom=20 and began checking myself out. Road rash all on my arms and legs, = through=20 my pants and everything. I washed off my arms and hands, and then = realized=20 my knee really hurt. I pulled aside my tattered clothes to see a = whole in=20 my knee about the size of a quarter. All the way to the = bone. It was=20 crazy. I immediately ran back outside, and told everyone that I = needed=20 medical attention right away There was no phone at the building, = so my=20 friend James and his girlfriend took me to the nearest emergency = room. =20 After about 10 minutes, the adrenaline wore off, and everything started = to=20 hurt. To make a long and gruesome story short, after much = screaming, and=20 many injections, the doctors and nurses at the Bowie Health Center, got = me=20 patched up enough that I could go home. I am very lucky. No = missing=20 limbs and/or fingers, much painful but otherwise harmless road rash, and = a=20 potentially really cool looking scar on my knee. We eventually = made it=20 back to the scene, at which time I was doped up on various shots and=20 Vicadin. My friends had cleaned up the bike, and moved it into the = parking=20 lot. We took some poloroids of the wreckage, and in my drug = induced=20 delirium fell asleep. I woke up the next day at a friends house, = in a=20 whole shitload of pain.

I called the police the next morning (I know, it was = probably=20 too late, but I thought it was the right thing to do). They = couldn't take=20 a statement over the phone, and said I needed to come back into Anne = Arundel=20 County for me to speak to an officer. Of course, I couldn't get to = Anne=20 Arundel county, because I had no transportation. My friends had = gone out=20 to pick me up stuff for my wounds, and I spent the entire morning on the = phone=20 with my insurance company. My insurance company said that I should = be=20 covered under MD State uninsured motorists something-or-other, and that = a police=20 report would help. The cop, when I spoke to him that afternoon, = said that=20 because of lack of evidnece, and that I couldn't get a hold of them = quickly that=20 he couldn't do a report. He did give me an incident number, and = hopefully=20 everything else will be taken care of by my insurance. They said = that they=20 will be giving me the market value (supposedly higher thatn blue book) = of the=20 totalled bike, a new helmet, and compensation for "pain and=20 suffering" (I'm still not sure what this is exaclty). So, = depending=20 on hom much money I get, I might be getting an F4 or something along = those=20 lines. I'm anticipating that once I heal up (at least two weeks = before I=20 can ride again), that I will be out shopping around, and that everything = will=20 turn out ok.

Kirt

1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (destroyed)

Annandale, Va

PS - I'll have pictures of the destrucion = soon... Maybe=20 some pictures of my wounds too :-)

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BEDC17.4D40BF40-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 12:48:02 1999 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:42:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist From: "David Cross" To: "DC-Cycles" >>. He >> was then hit >> by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane. That is my worst nightmare! I hope he is going to be ok. dave cross From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 16:12:03 1999 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow man, I hope you heal up quick. Scary story. It's a shame these things happen. Seems like you have a pretty cool insurance company, who are they? What do you know about the type of car anything? Get well soon! -Dan --- Kirt Senser wrote: > Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 > hours after my bike was totalled in a stupid > accident. Before anyone starts saying "I told you > so" or anything like that, let me say that I was > doing none of the "Squidly" behavior that I am > frequently seen on these lists talking about. I was > merely making a left turn... > > I was heading northbound on MD Rt. 424 coming back > from the store. There is a slight rise in the road > about 50 yards down from the parking lot I was > turning in to (the community center). As I always > do on hills and such, I moved farther to the right > in my lane when approaching said hill (I've heard > plenty of horror stories, car and bike, about this > kind of thing happening). So, as I approach the > crest in the road, I begin braking to make the left > turn. I see an oncoming car. He appears to be in > his lane. As I come off the rise, I discover, much > to my surprise, he is not. He is at least two feet > into my lane, over the double yellow. I have less > than a second to react, and since I'm already on the > brakes, the bike didn't want to turn at all. He hit > the front of the left side, right by the turn > signal. I suspect he didn't take my leg off because > he was already turning back into his lane. The > bike, either because of the impact, or my grabbing a > whole shitload of front brake, kicked the back end > up and out to the side and I ended up doing a > skidding stoppie at about 30 miles an hour. The > bike then hit the ground and I was thrown off. It > skidded away from me, and I rolled to a stop. The > car kept going. As soon as I stopped moving, I was > standing back up. People from the center were > running towards me. I walked past them, even > though several tried to stop me, saying I needed to > get inside and clean myself up and see if I was > hurt. I got inside, walked into the bathroom and > began checking myself out. Road rash all on my arms > and legs, through my pants and everything. I washed > off my arms and hands, and then realized my knee > really hurt. I pulled aside my tattered clothes to > see a whole in my knee about the size of a quarter. > All the way to the bone. It was crazy. I > immediately ran back outside, and told everyone that > I needed medical attention right away There was no > phone at the building, so my friend James and his > girlfriend took me to the nearest emergency room. > After about 10 minutes, the adrenaline wore off, and > everything started to hurt. To make a long and > gruesome story short, after much screaming, and many > injections, the doctors and nurses at the Bowie > Health Center, got me patched up enough that I could > go home. I am very lucky. No missing limbs and/or > fingers, much painful but otherwise harmless road > rash, and a potentially really cool looking scar on > my knee. We eventually made it back to the scene, > at which time I was doped up on various shots and > Vicadin. My friends had cleaned up the bike, and > moved it into the parking lot. We took some > poloroids of the wreckage, and in my drug induced > delirium fell asleep. I woke up the next day at a > friends house, in a whole shitload of pain. > > I called the police the next morning (I know, it was > probably too late, but I thought it was the right > thing to do). They couldn't take a statement over > the phone, and said I needed to come back into Anne > Arundel County for me to speak to an officer. Of > course, I couldn't get to Anne Arundel county, > because I had no transportation. My friends had > gone out to pick me up stuff for my wounds, and I > spent the entire morning on the phone with my > insurance company. My insurance company said that I > should be covered under MD State uninsured motorists > something-or-other, and that a police report would > help. The cop, when I spoke to him that afternoon, > said that because of lack of evidnece, and that I > couldn't get a hold of them quickly that he couldn't > do a report. He did give me an incident number, and > hopefully everything else will be taken care of by > my insurance. They said that they will be giving me > the market value (supposedly higher thatn blue book) > of the totalled bike, a new helmet, and > compensation for "pain and suffering" (I'm still not > sure what this is exaclty). So, depending on hom > much money I get, I might be getting an F4 or > something along those lines. I'm anticipating that > once I heal up (at least two weeks before I can ride > again), that I will be out shopping around, and that > everything will turn out ok. > > Kirt > 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (destroyed) > Annandale, Va > > PS - I'll have pictures of the destrucion soon... > Maybe some pictures of my wounds too :-) > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 20:05:43 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:04:21 EDT Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: ksenser@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/1999 12:21:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: << Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 hours after my bike was totalled in a stupid accident. >> Sorry to hear about your accident. I totaled mine last year and know all about the road rash thing. After your wounds start to heal up and scab off, start using cocoa butter with vitamin E. It'll help eliminate a lot of the scars. I only have one major one left on my knee and another on my left wrist. Get better soon. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 20:20:12 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point question ??? Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:17:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Why did they have the area at the carousel blocked off? Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com Bike Pics http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 22:11:35 1999 From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:09:05 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 What?!? Scars are cool! I won't have scars on anything important, so as long as they don't get infected, I'm set. Haha...JK... I want the knee to scar up real good, but everything else is just road rash, and with care and neosporin should be fine. :-) Kirt NO DAMN CBR now... Annandale, Va -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: ksenser@XXXXXX ; cbr@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:05 AM Subject: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident >In a message dated 8/1/1999 12:21:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >ksenser@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 hours after my bike was >totalled in a stupid accident. >> > >Sorry to hear about your accident. I totaled mine last year and know all >about the road rash thing. After your wounds start to heal up and scab off, >start using cocoa butter with vitamin E. It'll help eliminate a lot of the >scars. I only have one major one left on my knee and another on my left >wrist. Get better soon. > >Scooter > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 22:36:58 1999 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah scars are kinda cool. I burned my leg on my muffler trying to put my bike on centerstand wearing shorts. I was thinking.. hmm this might leave a cool scar hehe.. but now i'm thinking, it's just a minor burn, it might not scar.. oh well hehe --- Kirt Senser wrote: > What?!? Scars are cool! I won't have scars on > anything important, so as > long as they don't get infected, I'm set. > Haha...JK... I want the knee to > scar up real good, but everything else is just road > rash, and with care and > neosporin should be fine. :-) > > Kirt > NO DAMN CBR now... > Annandale, Va > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > To: ksenser@XXXXXX ; > cbr@XXXXXX ; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:05 AM > Subject: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a > hit-and-run incident > > > >In a message dated 8/1/1999 12:21:57 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > >ksenser@XXXXXX writes: > > > ><< Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 > hours after my bike was > >totalled in a stupid accident. >> > > > >Sorry to hear about your accident. I totaled mine > last year and know all > >about the road rash thing. After your wounds start > to heal up and scab > off, > >start using cocoa butter with vitamin E. It'll > help eliminate a lot of the > >scars. I only have one major one left on my knee > and another on my left > >wrist. Get better soon. > > > >Scooter > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 22:49:45 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:50:44 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisa Goddard Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident Hey, I once burnt my leg so badly I could read the warning label from the pipe on my calf..... At 07:33 PM 8/1/99 -0700, ImTheMan ITM wrote: >Yeah scars are kinda cool. I burned my leg on my muffler trying to put >my bike on centerstand wearing >shorts. I was thinking.. hmm this might leave a cool >scar hehe.. but now i'm thinking, it's just a minor >burn, it might not scar.. oh well hehe > >--- Kirt Senser wrote: >> What?!? Scars are cool! I won't have scars on >> anything important, so as >> long as they don't get infected, I'm set. >> Haha...JK... I want the knee to >> scar up real good, but everything else is just road >> rash, and with care and >> neosporin should be fine. :-) >> >> Kirt >> NO DAMN CBR now... >> Annandale, Va >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >> To: ksenser@XXXXXX ; >> cbr@XXXXXX ; >> dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:05 AM >> Subject: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a >> hit-and-run incident >> >> >> >In a message dated 8/1/1999 12:21:57 PM Eastern >> Daylight Time, >> >ksenser@XXXXXX writes: >> > >> ><< Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 >> hours after my bike was >> >totalled in a stupid accident. >> >> > >> >Sorry to hear about your accident. I totaled mine >> last year and know all >> >about the road rash thing. After your wounds start >> to heal up and scab >> off, >> >start using cocoa butter with vitamin E. It'll >> help eliminate a lot of the >> >scars. I only have one major one left on my knee >> and another on my left >> >wrist. Get better soon. >> > >> >Scooter >> > >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 07:08:31 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Mt. Washington To: DC-Cycles Has anyone taken their bike or (gasp) car up on Mt. Washington (located in New Hampshire, near Maine)? I've seen several cars and a few bikes in this area with "This Car (bike) climbed Mt. Washington" bumper stickers. If you have, could you e-mail me and let me know approximately how long the trip was to get to the top and back down? I know the road is about 7-8 miles, but want to find out time wise how long it will take. (including paying to get on the road) In a few weeks I'm doing another 1000 mile ride, and in the middle I'll be near Mt. Washington, so need to calculate if I'll have enough time to ride to the top. Were there a lot of people (i.e. slow cars) when you went, or was the road relatively clear? Thanks, Louis _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 08:02:33 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 07:52:37 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Re: Summit Point question/Carousel To: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 To seperate spectators from the flaggers I believe. One weekend riders were having trouble picking out the flagger amongst all the spectators, as that is a fast section of track, so they closed it off. I thinks that's why. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong. I dont really understand it. I think the flagger should be in the crows nest, and let as many spectators as possible watch from beneath it. The crows nest/hot tub is easiest to see anyway from the top of 4, and then everyone could have their cake and eat it too. MARRC doesn't like putting people in that thing though, and their not dumb guys so there must be a good reason. Jonathan Broga > Why did they have the area at the carousel blocked off? > > Gary W. Foreman > EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX > WEB: http://www.fj1100.com > Bike Pics http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman > '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:08:10 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:17:01 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist At 04:42 AM 7/31/99 , David Cross wrote: > >>. He > >> was then hit > >> by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane. From the sound of it, the best thing he could have done was not tailgate the car he hit-- "> The car pulled out in front of a 1998 Plymouth Neon. The 1989 Honda > motorcycle struck the rear of the Neon and the motorcyclist was > thrown over the Jersey barrier into the left-hand lane of I-395 proper. He > was then hit by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane." I know it's hard not to tailgate -- if you leave appropriate following distance, cars will often fill the space in front of you. The only things I think you can do are-- 1. Watch even farther ahead, 2. Stay to one side or another so you can go between cars if you can't stop (this also protects you from tailgaters) 3. Switch lanes if possible to avoid an upcoming hazard (car on the side of the road might pull out into traffic). best wishes to the hurt rider, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:08:10 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:23:22 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Mt. Washington At 07:08 AM 8/2/99 , Louis F. Caplan wrote: >Has anyone taken their bike or (gasp) car up on Mt. Washington (located in New >Hampshire, near Maine)? I've seen several cars and a few bikes in this area >with "This Car (bike) climbed Mt. Washington" bumper stickers. Yes, it was a blast. >If you have, could you e-mail me and let me know approximately how long the >trip was to get to the top and back down? I know the road is about 7-8 miles, >but want to find out time wise how long it will take. (including paying >to get >on the road) In a few weeks I'm doing another 1000 mile ride, and in the >middle I'll be near Mt. Washington, so need to calculate if I'll have enough >time to ride to the top. Were there a lot of people (i.e. slow cars) when you >went, or was the road relatively clear? When I went, with another rider, the road was clear but there was fog on the mountain. Sometimes due to road condtions (wind, mostly) they'll close the road to motorcycles. Mt. Washington sticks up high enough that the jetstream touches the top sometimes -- the highest winds ever recorded were recorded there, 238 mph as I recall. The old buildings have logging chains thrown over the roof and anchored on each side to hold things together. The road was paved for the bottom half, and gravel for the top half. There's no guardrails - if you went off the road, you'd be lucky if people could find pieces of you at the bottom of the mountain. I found that 10-20 mph was as fast as I felt comfortable, mostly not knowing if a car would come around a corner in the middle of the lane. I didn't time the ride, but I'd guesstimate it was 25-35 minutes each way. This is not a road to hurry on. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:18:28 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:14:10 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Summit Point question/Carousel To: jambroga , DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal If I understand this conversation, the marshalls at turn five where keeping people away from the hot-tub (under/around/etc.). I'm unsure of the reason other than what Jonothan brought up, that the riders are looking to that area for flagging information and too many people may distract from the flagger. That corner used to be worked from across the track, a little up from the hot-tub. A worker got hit last year (pick-up, not a flagger) in that corner and busted a leg, so now they keep the flaggers in the tub. As for keeping spectators out of the tub, it seems to be a relatively new policy and may only be selective. Last year we made people get in the tub if they wanted to watch from turn 3/10. Whatever the reasons for holding people back, they are based in safety. You might want to send a note over Bill Powers at MARRC http://marrc.nova.org/cw.htm Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: jambroga [mailto:jbroga@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 10:53 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Summit Point question/Carousel > > > To seperate spectators from the flaggers I believe. One weekend > riders were > having trouble picking out the flagger amongst all the spectators, as that > is a fast section of track, so they closed it off. I thinks that's why. > Someone else correct me if I'm wrong. I dont really understand it. I think > the flagger should be in the crows nest, and let as many spectators as > possible watch from beneath it. The crows nest/hot tub is easiest to see > anyway from the top of 4, and then everyone could have their cake > and eat it > too. MARRC doesn't like putting people in that thing though, and their not > dumb guys so there must be a good reason. > > Jonathan Broga > > > Why did they have the area at the carousel blocked off? > > > > Gary W. Foreman > > EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX > > WEB: http://www.fj1100.com > > Bike Pics http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman > > '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:24:39 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:14:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Kirt, Bad luck there, man. I'm glad you're mostly okay. I hate to potentially rub salt in a wound, but what kind of protection were you wearing besides a helmet? If you got road rash all over your arms and legs, I have to assume you weren't wearing a jacket or riding pants. Maybe you can spend some of your award money on a set of leathers? (I was riding on Saturday in full leathers and even then it wasn't that bad, heat-wise) I don't want to tell others what to wear or how to ride - it's just a suggestion. Besides, leathers are figuratively "cool", if not literally so. In any case, good luck with your insurance and your healing process. Let us know how you're doing from time to time. Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 From: Kirt Senser Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 hours after my bike was totalled in a stupid accident. Before anyone starts saying "I told you so" or anything like that, let me say that I was doing none of the "Squidly" behavior that I am frequently seen on these lists talking about. I was merely making a left turn... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:24:54 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Kirt Senser" cc: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:19:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident Content-Disposition: inline Real sorry to hear about your accident. How someone could hit you and just drive off is beyond me, but I hope they get theirs! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "People suck" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 10:37:37 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:36:14 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point question ??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/1999 8:25:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: << Why did they have the area at the carousel blocked off? >> MARRC blocked off the carousel because of two incidents where a bike went over the safety wall. At the second incident a spectator, a minute before, was standing at the spot where the bike went plowing on through. Consequently, MARRC now is blocking off any areas where there isn't "designated" spectator seating. -matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:07:44 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:08:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome from=20 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-08/02/087l-080299-idx.html The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome By Andy Solomon Monday, August 2, 1999; Page C02 OUTLAW MACHINE Harley-Davidson and the Search for the American Soul By Brock Yates Little, Brown. 249 pp. $24 If he'd wondered what these renegades were up to and pulled over the 75 Harleys I rode with on U.S. 25 in mid-July, the trooper would have found that you meet the nicest people on Harleys. They were surgeons, carpenters, teachers, troopers, grandparents. Many were women, some atop their own cruisers, others perched behind their significant biker. Their age averaged 45, though they spanned five decades. They spoke Harleyspeak, where hogs don't swill table scraps, and owning a full dresser doesn't mean you just did your laundry. They were joining 10,000 other Harleys at a South Carolina rally. What he could never have done was pull over 75 folks at once on Suzukis or any bike other than Harley. Riders of German BMWs, Italian Moto Guzzis and Japanese Yamahas insist, with ample reason, that their bikes are vastly superior, yet none inspires cultlike devotion. We admire perfection; we never love it. Germans cherish efficiency; Italians, panache; Japanese, technological precision. But Americans love Harley, this burnished behemoth that quakes and roars and leaks and demands attention like a petulant bride. Only Harley riders, notes Brock Yates, feel brand loyalty sufficient to tattoo their bike's logo on their bodies. With intelligence, authority and macho zest--and enough sociopolitical insight to justify its grandiose subtitle--"Outlaw Machine" explains the lure, makes clear why when you buy a Harley you get not just a bike but a family. Yates says we love the Harley because it is "uncompromising and unfailingly honest . . . so elemental, so lusty, so purely and classically American." Its first model appeared in the same year as the first World Series, 1903, and its image was cast by outlaws in the overblown Hollister, Calif., "riot" of 1947. A Life magazine photo of a drunken, beefy Tulare Raider or Booze Fighter (the gangs partying brashly in Hollister) indirectly inspired the Marlon Brando film "The Wild One," where Brando's bikers terrorize a town. Meanwhile, in very real life, "angry youths rebelling against the smarmy Ike and Mamie Good Life" had formed the Hell's Angels, shaped in the late 1950s by the organizational genius of Ralph "Sonny" Barger, the Luciano of denim, into the most feared and glamorized club in America. Renegades rode Harleys. Try as it might, Harley-Davidson could not shed the image. It made the outlaw machine. Charting the company's evolution from William Harley and Arthur and Walter Davidson's first motorized bicycle to today's majestic Road Kings, Yates argues that Harley couldn't thrive until it embraced its outlaw mystique. We see Harley's first trademark V-twin in 1909, the inspired launching of its own magazine in 1916, its 1922 price-fixing scheme with a manufacturer called Indian, its defining classic 1936 Knucklehead model. Following Indian's 1953 demise, Harley became America's lone motorcycle, but soon imports threatened it with extinction. Barely surviving under the clueless though supportive brief ownership of AMF, Harley finally found what would help it prosper: the technological leap of its Evolution engine and, crucially, the awareness by third-generation Harley executive and authentic biker Willie G. Davidson of Harley's don't-you-dare-fence-me-in appeal. It is the mustang for roaming today's frontier: 100 percent all-American, say those who sneer at Honda and Kawasaki rice-burners that are actually made by Yanks in Ohio and Nebraska. By the '90s, Harley became our most fashionable emblem of in-your-face virility. Boomers had to have one. Harley had always drawn the discontented, the burned-out, the restless, and now that's most of us. Mild-mannered college professors could climb on and instantly chair Hell's Curriculum Committee. There is also the RUB, the Rich Urban Biker. Lawyers and dentists on Sundays now shun their Polo knits, donning boots and leathers to become faux outlaws on Westchester and Bethesda highways, basking in Harley's paradoxical confluence of chic and bad-to-the-bone images, a double-think possible only in a country that's always lionized the wolfish renegade, its Jesse James and Pretty Boy Floyd. Each weekend, fiftysomething executives escape the corporate cookie-cutter, update doo-wop to do-rags, and resurrect their rebellious youth. Yates can ramble--a chapter about the Daytona, Fla., Bike Week wanders into analysis of the computer age, then to Harleys as art--but his meandering always stays interesting and itself echoes the rhythm of a good motorcycle tour and the drifting reflectiveness of a rider's mind. If you want to know why 20 gleaming Harleys just passed your minivan, and why on one some gray-bearded outlaw or cardiologist wore a T-shirt reading "I'd rather see my sister in a whorehouse than my brother on a Honda," "Outlaw Machine" is the second most pleasurable way to find out. Andy Solomon, a professor of English at the University of Tampa who is finishing a book about a 9,000-mile motorcycle trip with his son. =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:14:08 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:12 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Quick shout out... You... two-tone yellow brand spanking new cruiser (looked like a Moto-Guzzi) with 30-day tags on Rock Creek Pkwy/Beach Dr. You gave a wave to me as I was turning off onto Porter St. Also You... red Ninja 500 also on Rock Creek Pkwy (near Watergate). Me... White '86 VFR750 that a) passed the Ninja early and b) rode behind cruiser into tunnel (yes my VFR does sound sweet)... Anyway... just saying hello and wondering if you guys are a part of the list! Have a good one! -Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:32:20 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:31:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Rafting! Anyone into rafting on the list? I'm going with some friends to this - riding up there with gear strapped to the tank. Should be a blast. ================================= http://aceraft.com/Rafting/gauleyseason.html Every fall in West Virginia (no jokes please) the dam on the Gauley River is released, creating incredible whitewater rafting conditions. I have been a couple of times, and let me tell you, it is truly amazing, and the scenery is beautiful as well. The company that I have gone with in the past is Ace Whitewater. They have professional and safety conscious rafting guides and good campgrounds. The plan would be to drive up on a Friday afternoon (it takes about 4hrs), raft on Saturday, and come home on Sunday. The rafting cost is about $100 (it could be less if we can get 14 or more people in our group), and camping is $8 per night. In the past, we've packed lunch and breakfast, and eaten dinner in the lodge after rafting (you'll be too tired to cook for yourself). Oh, and don't forget the brew...it's a party at night! So we're looking at about $120 for the weekend...not bad. The trips are from Sept. 10th through Oct. 17th. Sooner is better, because it starts to get a bit chilly up there (bring or rent a wet suit at Ace), so please let me know if you're interested so I can get the ball rolling. As far as skill, you need to know how to swim, and have a little (sometimes a lot of) courage. It would be a great time! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:32:49 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:27:48 -0400 To: Chris Norloff From: Troutman Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:08 AM 8/2/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome I think I am gonna be sick. Get me something to be sick in. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:34:53 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:33:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Quick shout out... Content-Disposition: inline Speaking of that, I see a woman on a cruiser-type motorcycle in the mornings on Route 7 near Tysons... I always wave, you wave back... On this list (?) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:46:21 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:46:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: DC Sport bike guys.... Did you all know they have a real home page...not just a Yahoo site? http://www.dcsportbike.com/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 12:10:12 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point question ??? Actually, I asked one of the corner workers about this on Sun. It was reported to me that at the last CCS event, some spectators had been drinking excessivly and had actually thrown something ONTO THE TRACK between the races. The officials blocked off access to the area after the incident. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 12:25:54 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Summit Point question ??? Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:23:24 -0700 Sheesh, deserves to be blocked off for that..... deserves more too actually. Brian > Actually, I asked one of the corner workers about this on Sun. It was > reported to me that at the last CCS event, some spectators had been > drinking excessivly and had actually thrown something ONTO THE TRACK > between the races. The officials blocked off access to the > area after the > incident. > > - Brian Roach > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 12:27:25 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:29:52 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Summit Point question ??? To: Brian Roach Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Well, as always a few people F@#$k it up for everyone. Damn, there go my good pictures! > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:10 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Summit Point question ??? > > > > Actually, I asked one of the corner workers about this on Sun. It was > reported to me that at the last CCS event, some spectators had been > drinking excessivly and had actually thrown something ONTO THE TRACK > between the races. The officials blocked off access to the area after the > incident. > > - Brian Roach > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 12:53:28 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:54:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome To: Troutman Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've got a Harley half-helmet if you want! Mark To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Date: 08/02/99 03:27:48 PM GMT Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome At 11:08 AM 8/2/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome I think I am gonna be sick. Get me something to be sick in. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 13:21:41 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:17:38 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Summit Point question ??? To: Gary Foreman , Brian Roach Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Not necessarily. Find the person with the two way mic/radio (corner captain) and ask him/her nicely if you can hang out in the tub to get some pictures. Explain you won't get in the way and your chances are good they'll let you. I've never turned anyone down if they're cool about it. Some other things that might get you noticed at track side: - Encroaching on the berms (I don't say anything unless there are more than three people conglomerating). - Wearing a Yellow/RED t-shirt/jacket (You will be asked to remove it, or move away) - General asshole behaviour (never witnessed this. Most people are cool) Overall, I agree with you. This seems like a little over-reaction to an isolated event. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:30 PM > To: Brian Roach > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Summit Point question ??? > > > Well, as always a few people F@#$k it up for everyone. Damn, there go my > good pictures! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:10 PM > > To: dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Summit Point question ??? > > > > > > > > Actually, I asked one of the corner workers about this on Sun. It was > > reported to me that at the last CCS event, some spectators had been > > drinking excessivly and had actually thrown something ONTO THE TRACK > > between the races. The officials blocked off access to the area > after the > > incident. > > > > - Brian Roach > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 13:46:55 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:46:00 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:54 AM 8/2/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >I've got a Harley half-helmet if you want! > >>MT wrote: >>I think I am gonna be sick. Get me something to be sick in. For you Kubrick fans out there, that was one of Alex's lines from Clockwork Orange ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:19:53 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Sportbile To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mike: This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since I detect a bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with these guys. Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who love bikes and city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how many among us can say we never ride that way? Everytime I have come across them in DC (usually around U Street) they have been nothing but nice. They even complemented my 91 VFR, even though their bikes could easily smoke mine. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:21:35 1999 From: "Rist, Todd" To: "'Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX'" , Tom Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Quick shout out... Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:19:46 -0400 What type of cruiser? A burgundy and white shadow? with saddlebags? If so that is my wife! Thank you, Todd Rist -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX [mailto:Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 11:33 AM To: Tom Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Quick shout out... Speaking of that, I see a woman on a cruiser-type motorcycle in the mornings on Route 7 near Tysons... I always wave, you wave back... On this list (?) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:22:14 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:20:42 EDT Subject: Re: Quick shout out... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX while we're on the subject.... :D I saw a guy on a cruiser type bike on Capitol Hill about 4 days ago, you pulled up behind me at the corner of 11th and Pennsylvania SE.... me on a dark green CB-1. Anybody? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:24:13 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:23:30 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC Sportbile Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:09 PM 8/2/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Mike: > >This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since I detect a >bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with these guys. >Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who love bikes and >city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how many among us can say >we never ride that way? I'm not sure exacly what you found sarcastic about my post....since it said... "Did you all know they have a real home page...not just a Yahoo site?" It was not negative or positive either way. I'm happy for anyone on two wheels. Perhaps you are reading too much into it? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:26:00 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:10:16 -0700 is it Chromed? How about horns? Is there a squeekers attached to it? Brian > -----Original Message----- > > I've got a Harley half-helmet if you want! > > At 11:08 AM 8/2/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: > >The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome > > I think I am gonna be sick. Get me something to be sick in. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:36:31 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Sportbile Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:33:27 -0400 Go to their webpage (the one on Yahoo) and read the postings. Its self explanatory. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 1:09 PM To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sportbile Mike: This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since I detect a bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with these guys. Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who love bikes and city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how many among us can say we never ride that way? Everytime I have come across them in DC (usually around U Street) they have been nothing but nice. They even complemented my 91 VFR, even though their bikes could easily smoke mine. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:43:36 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:42:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: DC Sportbike & dc-cycles website At 02:33 PM 8/2/99 , Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: >Go to their webpage (the one on Yahoo) and read the postings. Its self >explanatory. I just noticed that I mis-spelled sportbike on the subject line, and typed sportbile. That may have been cause for the confusion. That was an honest typo....pretty funny..... By the way..... Is everyone still aware of the dc-cycles Yahoo group? I don't see a lot of postings there these days. Hopefully thats because we are all out riding ;-) And whats going on with the new dc-cycles homepage? Anyone have a URL I can look at? I used to do a lot of web work, and I am happy to help anywhere we need help.... Dropping my '97 VFR off for 16k service Thursday night. Should get it back Friday for weekend rides. Anything planned? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 15:03:19 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles I have to agree, that poor chap, probably should have left himself more following distance. Worrying about cars trying to get in front of you is NOT a good reason to reduce your space cushion. If a car gets in front, just put a cushion in front of that car. It's better to yeild than to reduce space cushion and reaction time. It's likely to be just one car anyway. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > At 04:42 AM 7/31/99 , David Cross wrote: > > >>. He > > >> was then hit > > >> by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the > traffic lane. > > > From the sound of it, the best thing he could have > done was not tailgate > the car he hit-- > "> The car pulled out in front of a 1998 Plymouth > Neon. The 1989 Honda > > motorcycle struck the rear of the Neon and the > motorcyclist was > > thrown over the Jersey barrier into the > left-hand lane of I-395 proper. He > > was then hit by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he > lay in the traffic lane." > > I know it's hard not to tailgate -- if you leave > appropriate following > distance, cars will often fill the space in front of > you. The only things > I think you can do are-- > > 1. Watch even farther ahead, > 2. Stay to one side or another so you can go between > cars if you can't stop > (this also protects you from tailgaters) > 3. Switch lanes if possible to avoid an upcoming > hazard (car on the side of > the road might pull out into traffic). > > best wishes to the hurt rider, > Chris Norloff > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 15:10:36 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd like to see their car burned in a huge huge fire.. A person who comes barrelling over a hill and 2 feet over the center line doesn't deserve to drive, or own a car. I won't wish any harm on the idiot, because that might be bad karma.. on second thought, i'd like to see the car seized and donated to charity. Too bad I'm not a law maker.. i'd make that an immediate penalty for hit and run, forfeiture of auto.. plus whatever other penalties.. hopefully those type of people will be driving thier own car, so it could be seized.. --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Real sorry to hear about your accident. > How someone could hit you and just drive off is > beyond me, but I hope they get > theirs! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > "People suck" > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 15:19:40 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: DC Sportbile To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I knew about it. I see they like to race really fast. I also see how they believe in organised controlled rides and not just a biker free for all. Also a few of them are religious, and they seem to look out for each other. So seeing how they don't hurt anyone else, I don't have a problem with them. I wouldn't mind watching the races, or going on an organised ride. --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Mike: > > This is the second time you have posted about this > group. Since I detect a > bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a > problem with these guys. > Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who > love bikes and > city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how > many among us can say > we never ride that way? > > Everytime I have come across them in DC (usually > around U Street) they have > been nothing but nice. They even complemented my 91 > VFR, even though their > bikes could easily smoke mine. > > Mark > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the > person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination > or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this > information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is > prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete > the material from any > computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 16:02:00 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:47:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Listserv lagging.... Anyone notice that is takes 15-20 minutes for messages to get out to the list? The VFR list I am on (several hundred users) mails out distributions within a minute or so. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 16:31:47 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles --- ImTheMan ITM wrote: > Worrying about cars trying to get in front of you > is NOT a good reason to reduce your space cushion. > If a car gets in front, just put a cushion in front > of that car. It's better to yeild than to reduce > space cushion and reaction time. It's likely to > be just one car anyway. Just what I was thinking. Besides... if you have to drop back to keep a safe distance... that just means you'll get where you're going a minute later... and spend a little more time riding. (It's a good rationale to tell yourself as it's happening, anyway.) === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 16:38:58 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 99 16:33:32 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Weekend ride(semi-HSTA), all welcome To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just a reminder, I'm doing my second NoVa HSTA ride this weekend, going to be starting in manassas and working around north western VA at this point, though I may modify that. Looks like good roads, I'll be double checking my route tomorrow to make sure. Leaving from the Manassas Old COuntry buffet at 9:30 Sharp on saturday(66 to 234 business south, OCB is in a shopping center on the left with a Giant). Meet for breakfast at 8:30. I'm aiming for a late lunch in front royal at 1-2. Any suggestions for lunch spot? Thanks, drop me a line if interested or you have any questions, and hope to see people there. Oh, for the guys I hijacked on my last ride, this one won't be as long, honest. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/2/99 HSTA/AMA 4:33:32 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 16:41:09 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:26:39 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Listserv lagging.... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:47:53 -0400 >Anyone notice that is takes 15-20 minutes for messages to get out to >the list? As far as I know, it's always been this way. That's why I tend to include the author (as well as the list) in my reply headers. You end up seeing the message twice, but you get the first one quicker than everyone else. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 17:18:45 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:16:22 EDT Subject: Re: DC Sportbile To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/2/99 2:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since I detect a bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with these guys. >> A few of us (DC Cycles Maryland contingent) went to see the wheelie fest in DC, the tires were pretty square but the fellows we talked to were quite friendly. Don't think I'd want to race them in a straight line, I bet they can launch those things pretty well, and yes they gave the thumbs up to my ZX-9R. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 17:31:45 1999 From: "George Howell" To: , "Troutman" Cc: Subject: RE: DC Sportbile Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:16:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since > I detect a > bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with > these guys. > Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who love bikes and > city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how many among us can say > we never ride that way? I can't speak for mike, but it seems that these guys are more than occasional squids. For them, it seems to be a full time job. That sort of behaviour gets us banned almost as quickly as slash-cut pipes. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 17:32:58 1999 From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:38:07 -0400 Well folks, I look at it this way. Some people spend hundreds to buy H-D apparel becoming wanna-be bikers. I spent a couple hundred to buy and restore my dear ol' Seca. I would rather drive my ratty-looking Yamahopper than wear nifty clothes pretending to be a biker with the H-D bumper sticker on a Toyota or Nissan mini-van. Love to ride, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:04:02 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:00:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Michael Jay CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome But ... H-D stock has equaled the preformance of Intel in the past decade. The "Motor Clothes" (H-D) craze nets H-D a ton of $$$, no doubt. It's all in the marketing, and H-D kicks butt in image making. Like who would want a Yamahopper bumper sticker? And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? Just stirring the muck a bit :-) Bill Huson Gone but not forgotten - Kawi 90, Kawi 250 triple, Yamaha DT125, Honda CL350, Suzuki 550E, Yamaha FZR700. Still thumping down the road `93 H-D FLHS Michael Jay wrote: > Well folks, > > I look at it this way. > > Some people spend hundreds to buy H-D apparel becoming wanna-be bikers. > > I spent a couple hundred to buy and restore my dear ol' Seca. > > I would rather drive my ratty-looking Yamahopper than wear nifty clothes > pretending > to be a biker with the H-D bumper sticker on a Toyota or Nissan mini-van. > > Love to ride, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:07:35 1999 From: "Jon Schumer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Listserv lagging.... Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:06:10 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Anyone notice that is takes 15-20 minutes for messages to get out to the > list? The VFR list I am on (several hundred users) mails out distributions > within a minute or so. > Mike Troutman Mike, try sending to dc-cycles@XXXXXX Danny Thompson and I "experimented" and found it pretty fast.... Jon ICQ# 11193913 88' HawkGT 92' FZR600 http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:16:54 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:15:26 -0400 To: sv650@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: tbr pipe Got the TBR pipe mounted up, and took her for a spin... and all I can say is DAMN this sucker is loud. At least now I'll be able to hear the bike when I'm out riding with all you squids:) FWIW, the jetting seems fine... haven't noticed a power diff, but I've been concentrating on the sound:) ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:31:41 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:30:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: test test - it is now 6:30PM EST ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:58:43 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:52:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Grant Heffernan CC: sv650@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: tbr pipe I'm curious - what is a "TBR" pipe, and what did you put it on? FWIW - if it can't breath in, then a pipe is just noise. Hi-flow air cleaner? Bill Grant Heffernan wrote: > Got the TBR pipe mounted up, and took her for a spin... and all I can say > is DAMN this sucker is loud. > At least now I'll be able to hear the bike when I'm out riding with all you > squids:) > FWIW, the jetting seems fine... haven't noticed a power diff, but I've been > concentrating on the sound:) > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 19:02:14 1999 From: Michael Jay To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:06:56 -0400 Bill Huson stirs (with gleeful mischief): >But ... H-D stock has equaled the preformance of Intel in the past decade. Yes, but I want to ride a bike as well as the market. Likely, one share costs more than my used-bike purchase price. And I can ride today, weeeee!!! >The "Motor Clothes" (H-D) craze nets H-D a ton of $$$, no doubt. It's all in >the marketing, and H-D kicks butt in image making. Yes, but how much torque can anyone get from a T-shirt? >Like who would want a Yamahopper bumper sticker? I have no idea, but my Fords have UAW stickers from the Wayne Stamping and Assembly Plant rather than me having a H-D sticker on some import cage. >And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with >a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? No, but any "hottie biker chick" is all yours. Enjoy. I have always been a rather fashion-lacking guy especially with respect to all the biker apparel goodies. Image can't make me "The Breeze." Or, as is more current: "I want to get away, I want to get away, I want to fly, yeah." Hey, speakin' of which, time to work that in-line 4 engine o' mine. Yippee!! Perfect riding weather. Love to ride, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 19:26:00 1999 To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Listserv lagging.... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:26:00 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Anyone notice that is takes 15-20 minutes for messages to get out to the >list? The VFR list I am on (several hundred users) mails out distributions >within a minute or so. This could be described as a feature. When a spirited argument over the perils of helmet wearing breaks out, a good delivery lag time helps to slow things down. :) When a new message is posted, software delivers a copy of the message to each recipient in the subscriber list sequentially (mostly, people whose email goes to the same mail server are bundled together so that only one copy of the message need be sent). Walking down the subscriber list can take time, particularly when some mail servers respond slowly, or must be timed out as unreachable. So people at the top of the subscriber list see almost immediate response, while those near the bottom won't get the message for 10-15 minutes or so. Since the subscriber list is maintained in the order in which people subscribed, subscribers with tenure are favored, so at least it isn't wholly arbitrary. Just stay on the list for a few years, and the messages gradually reach you faster and faster. :) The dc-cycles list has about 230 people on it now. This is still a small mailing list (relative to less small ones), but is big enough to require software specialized to handle large mailing lists. In particular, a long list of email subscribers shouldn't be processed purely sequentially, you can improve latency by delivering messages to multiple mail servers in parallel. I'll look into setting up smarter list delivery software, this should improve the response time somewhat (at the risk of accelerating the pace of silly arguments). BTW, the correct address to which postings should be sent is 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'. If you send to either of the old cs.umd.edu or umiacs.umd.edu addresses, you're just slowing things down further, as the message now needs to push through the mail systems at UMD, which forward your message to the right place. Sending to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' is pretty much the same as 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX', as Meretrix Technologies' global headquarters is co-located with the dc-cycles global computing super-pop. -harry From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 21:18:28 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:26:25 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: dc-cycles CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: cnorloff@XXXXXX > From the sound of it, the best thing he could have done was not tailgate > the car he hit-- > I know it's hard not to tailgate -- if you leave appropriate following > distance, cars will often fill the space in front of you. The only things > I think you can do are-- > 1. Watch even farther ahead, > 2. Stay to one side or another so you can go between cars if you can't stop > (this also protects you from tailgaters) > 3. Switch lanes if possible to avoid an upcoming hazard (car on the side of > the road might pull out into traffic). I think there is one pithy idea that can be crystallized from Chris's sensible remarks: maximize your air cushion. I might be wrong, but isn't this a drivers'-ed (cage) notion? I cringe every time I see a biker following a cage too closely. I'm not that trusting I guess... > best wishes to the hurt rider, Indeed. Anyone know where he's hospitalized or what his name is? Might be a nice idea to indicate others are thinking of him. JK From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 22:25:21 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:23:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Though we don't know all the "hadda be there's" it's good to get the wake up call, Chris. I also wish the rider best. Hmmmm. Isn't this the second leaving-the-scener in the last few days? The other Kirt Senser in Maryland? Is this ". . .No Respect" season for local bikers? Cager + heat = animal? Oh, what's to be done? Dye packs that rupture? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> I want wings for those situations Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: DC-Cycles Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist >At 04:42 AM 7/31/99 , David Cross wrote: >> >>. He >> >> was then hit >> >> by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane. > > > From the sound of it, the best thing he could have done was not tailgate >the car he hit-- >"> The car pulled out in front of a 1998 Plymouth Neon. The 1989 Honda > > motorcycle struck the rear of the Neon and the motorcyclist was > > thrown over the Jersey barrier into the left-hand lane of I-395 proper. He > > was then hit by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane." > >I know it's hard not to tailgate -- if you leave appropriate following >distance, cars will often fill the space in front of you. The only things >I think you can do are-- > >1. Watch even farther ahead, >2. Stay to one side or another so you can go between cars if you can't stop >(this also protects you from tailgaters) >3. Switch lanes if possible to avoid an upcoming hazard (car on the side of >the road might pull out into traffic). > >best wishes to the hurt rider, >Chris Norloff > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 22:59:22 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:58:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Non-MC Related - Seeking roommate Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but another MC rider would make a good roomie. I have a 3 lvl townhouse in Centreville with two master bedrooms, one is for rent. $375/month plus 1/2 utilities (about $150/month). Located between 66, 29, 28, Braddock and Stone Road. Room available September 1st. Includes fireplace, close parks, reserved parking, on-street guest parking (very close), walking distance to shopping, furnished basement, on-site washer/dryer, etc. Email off-list if interested. Thanks. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 23:43:19 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: Trunks on '98 - '99 VFR's Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:44:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I remember at least one lister that has a trunk on his VFR. It also serves as a passenger backrest. I am looking into getting one for mine, hopefully before the trip to Pocono. Any information about the brand, where to find them and how they are installed would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 23:56:22 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:52:24 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:00:12 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >Like who would want a >Yamahopper bumper sticker? And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with >a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? >Just stirring the muck a bit :-) Them rice riders do plenty of strange things,though. They block their vision and hearing with goofy full-face helmets,then ride around with pipes so quiet they need to use their horns to announce their presence. They take the chance of flipping the bike by using the front brake. They run synthetic oil w/out Slick 50 or Prolong(they don't even use Splitfires). They don't even ride with guns. (Did I miss anything? ;-}) It's good to be back. Anyone need any sand? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 00:10:48 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: , Subject: Pocono races Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:12:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 For those who are interested, this is the basic info for going up and lodging that I have come up with. I recommend that you get your rooms soon, many of the accomodations are full. Leaving No VA area Friday August 27th about 10:00 a.m. (Meeting point undecided as yet. Probably several along the route at certain times). Friday night my wife and I are staying at t little bed and breakfast (full as of Sat. 7/31), Saturday night staying at the Hill Motor Lodge at the intersection of I80 and Rt. 715 (exit 45) cost $60.00 / night. This sounded like a decent place and they were very accomodating over the phone. Other possibilities copy this line into your browser address location: http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypResults.py?Pyt=Typ&YY=16084&city=Long%20Pond&state= PA&zip=18334&slt=&sln=&cs=&stp=y&stx=7737307&btype=default all one line, no spaces. Return Sunday after the races. The route up is something like this: Rt. 15 N. out of Warrenton through Leesburg, through Frederick, MD, to Harrisburg, PA area. Out of Harrisburg on Rt. 11 N. to Millersburg to Rt. 209 E. to Rt 115 N. past the racetrack to I80. Or something like that. I still have not gotten any good maps out to be sure. (especially about getting across the river from Harrisburg to Millersburg) Any questions or comments let me know. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 05:28:42 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:28:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Welcome back, Gil. Any good stories? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Gil Nissley It's good to be back. Anyone need any sand? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 06:52:05 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Bill Huson'" , Michael Jay Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:49:21 -0400 Sorry, but I've never seen a hottie biker chick with ANY bike tattoos on them. Glenn >But ... H-D stock has equaled the preformance of Intel in the past decade. >The "Motor Clothes" (H-D) craze nets H-D a ton of $$$, no doubt. It's all in >the marketing, and H-D kicks butt in image making. Like who would want a >Yamahopper bumper sticker? And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with >a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? >Just stirring the muck a bit :-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 07:29:29 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Question about shop towels To: DC-Cycles Since you folks did a great job yesterday answering my question about Mt. Washington (and thanks to all of you who did answer!) I have another question for you. When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels that I pick up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels once, then toss them. So I tried running them through the washing machine (just the towels, not with my clothes!) with my regular detergent (Tide I think...). They came out with grease and dirt still in them. Is there a way to successfully clean them? Anything that will really get the grease and grime out, or am I just supposed to send them off to a land fill? Thanks, Louis _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:10:34 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:53:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome At 06:00 PM 8/2/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >Like who would want a >Yamahopper bumper sticker? Why would a real biker want to advertise that he wasn't riding? >And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with >a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? Well, I guess that depends on how you define "hot". Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:10:34 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:44:44 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM , DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist At 03:02 PM 8/2/99 , ImTheMan ITM (who goes nameless) wrote: >Worrying about cars trying to get in front of you >is NOT a good reason to reduce your space cushion. >If a car gets in front, just put a cushion in front >of that car. It's better to yeild than to reduce > space cushion and reaction time. It's likely to >be just one car anyway. How do you figure it would be only one car? The discussion is about keeping a good following distance in traffic, specifically DC rush hour traffic. At 60mph you should have at least 180 ft. following distance (2 second minimum following distance at 88 ft./sec (60 mph). In my 4 years of commuting into DC by motorcycle, year round, I regularly see people following at only 10-15 ft. That means you could put 6 cars in 180 ft., and given the traffic density and speed, this happens. Slowing down to increase following distance whenever a car pulls in front doesn't always work, because then you just endanger yourself from tailgaters behind you. If I can, I always adjust speed (and position) to get good following distance. The question is what to do if you can't do that. Also, how about using your name here? This "ImTheMan" business is okay on AOL, but this is not AOL. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:24:59 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:21:52 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Question about shop towels To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Actually, I'd like a good answer too. But as I sit here thinking about it, maybe just let them soak in warm/hot water heavy on the detergent before actually cycling through a wash. If need be, do it again. Of course now your sending highly detergent water, laced with motor oils and other chemicals through the sewer systems and into our water supply! DAmn. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > > When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels > that I pick > up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more > environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels > once, then > toss them. So I tried running them through the washing machine (just the > towels, not with my clothes!) with my regular detergent (Tide I > think...). > They came out with grease and dirt still in them. Is there a way to > successfully clean them? Anything that will really get the > grease and grime > out, or am I just supposed to send them off to a land fill? > > Thanks, > > Louis > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:46:00 1999 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:43:46 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Question about shop towels To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , DC-Cycles Dale is yet a master at this too :) Since he grabs any old towels out of the linen closet, we have the same problem. The best thing to get any spots out, grease or otherwise, is to use hand cleaner. Not the orange stuff but the really smelly white gunk. Does a great job. Also if the towels are white, you can use a product called Iron Out. It's mainly used to get rust stains out of toliets or tubs but does wonders on whites too. Also, afterwards to avoid the lint from the towels, line dry them - no machine dry. > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 7:30 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Question about shop towels > > > Since you folks did a great job yesterday answering my question about Mt. > Washington (and thanks to all of you who did answer!) I have another > question > for you. > > When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels that I > pick > up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more > environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels once, > then > toss them. So I tried running them through the washing machine (just the > towels, not with my clothes!) with my regular detergent (Tide I think...). > > They came out with grease and dirt still in them. Is there a way to > successfully clean them? Anything that will really get the grease and > grime > out, or am I just supposed to send them off to a land fill? > > Thanks, > > Louis > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:46:13 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Question about shop towels On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Actually, I'd like a good answer too. > > But as I sit here thinking about it, maybe just let them soak in warm/hot > water heavy on the detergent before actually cycling through a wash. If > need be, do it again. > > Of course now your sending highly detergent water, laced with motor oils and > other chemicals through the sewer systems and into our water supply! DAmn. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > > > When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels > > that I pick > > up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more > > environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels > > once, then Actually, the grease and crap from the shop towels will destroy your washing machine. A friend of mine worked as a mechanic at X-pert tune (dont ask, its like jiffy lube), and their shop was near a laundromat. One day he took a big wad of shop towels, threw them in a washer, and sat around. The lady who owned the laundromat takes at look at him (greasy and wearing a mechanic shirt) and asks "Those aren't shop towels, are they?" He's like "Yeah, they are." She gets all irate, bitching and yelling that now she has to replace the whole washer now, and that you can't get the grease and crap out of it ever again. I reccomend the little blue things that come in rolls. They suck compared to shop towels, but apparently you can never really get them shoppies clean. I have found a more ideal solution to getting car/bike grease off, however. I just invite 3-4 models over to my house for a nice relaxing sponge bath. By far the best way to go. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:47:06 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: RE: Re: Trunks on '98 - '99 VFR's Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:48:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sorry guys, I know about GIVI, I know I said 'brand' (thanks for the web address though), I was talking about the actual setup that the person / persons on the DC-cycles list has. Which model, what mount, how much $, from where. It was late, I was not clear, my bad. Still need the info though. :) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 > D. Thompson wrote: > > > I remember at least one lister that has a trunk on his VFR. It also serves > > as a passenger backrest. I am looking into getting one for mine, hopefully > > before the trip to Pocono. Any information about the brand, where to find > > them and how they are installed would be greatly appreciated. > > > > TIA, > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > > 1 Samuel 2:30 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:47:13 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:48:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-08/03/058l-080399-idx.html Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul In Moscow, Motorcycles Are a Mode of Expression By Daniel Williams Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, August 3, 1999; Page A01 MOSCOW, Aug. 2=97As if motoring in Moscow weren't already harrowing -- with high-speed cars weaving across lanes, drunken pedestrians shuffling into traffic, freelance taxis jockeying for fares and bribe-hungry police preying on law-abiding drivers -- witness the capital's latest craze: swarms of motorcyclists buzzing about hornet-like on Moscow's massive boulevards. Motorcycling is the latest fashion to hit the city, following hard upon Rollerblading, hot dog vending and mafia shootouts. Cycle stores report a spike in sales, and bike clubs are recruiting a broad band of new members. The Soviet Union once had urban bikers, too, but they were considered outlaws. Almost anyone riding for fun was considered a potential subversive. Riding in groups was cause for a police investigation. Bikers regarded themselves as fast-moving dissidents; they got kicks out of cruising the city late at night, running red lights and knocking nightsticks out of policemen's hands. They were notorious for brawling at rock concerts. Today, it is the Russian establishment that is engaged in uproarious high jinks, from public drunkenness to breathtaking larceny. Bikers, by contrast, have gone legit. If anything, they think of themselves as upholders of Russian ideals. "It was interesting before -- recklessness as a form of struggle. We had to look different, act different as a way to feel free. Now it's not necessary. What's the excitement from running red lights? Everybody's doing it," said Aleksander Zaldastanov, leader of a cycle club called the Night Wolves. Other clubs in town go by such names as the Cossacks, the Skulls and Into the Night. Zaldastanov prefers to use his nickname, Surgeon; he's a physician. He says he was drawn to biking by contact with injured cyclists he treated in the late 1980s. Back then, bikers were called Rockers. Now the categories are more complex: Cruisers, who ride choppers with extended front forks, low exhaust pipes and raindrop-shaped gas tanks; Streetbikers, who zip around on Japanese sports models; Crossers, who are off-road enthusiasts. Surgeon, a muscular fellow who wears a snakeskin vest, an array of alligator wrist bands, skull-shaped rings and lightning bolt tattoos, said the Night Wolves want to be the vanguard of a new, responsible Russia. His group promotes Russian-made bikes, although many of his members ride concoctions that include foreign parts. "A great power should not only have an army, but its own motorbike," Surgeon said. Moscow would seem an unlikely place for motorcycle riding to prosper. Winter takes a big bite out of bike time. Only from May to early November is the weather likely to be free enough of snow or rain for much open-air traveling -- and even then, the climate is unpredictable. No matter. When Muscovites take to something, they take to it big, slick streets be damned. "We're very much attached to self-expression. And for most Russian riders, bikes aren't transportation, they're a reflection of the soul. For fun, it beats drinking," said Andrei Badaev, a slender, 21-year-old motorcycle salesman who cruises in a battered Izh, a standby brand of the Soviet era. His bike is out of commission for the moment; he took a spill the other day on a slippery, potholed street. His girlfriend resolutely refuses to ride with him. During the late Soviet years, motorcycling for most riders was hardly recreational; it was mainly the preserve of the army, the police and farmers. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, cycle production declined, as did just about every other industrial activity. Annual sales fell quickly from a peak of about 2 million at the beginning of the decade to 600,000, then a steeper slide leveled off at about 60,000 in 1997. The new rich of Russia turned to foreign brands, such as Honda and Suzuki. With agriculture in a deep depression, farmers practically stopped buying. In the 1980s, the Uralmoto motorcycle firm, a popular Soviet manufacturer, sold about 130,000 bikes a year, many with sidecars so that state farm workers could ferry produce from field to warehouse. Last year, Uralmoto sold 7,000 and hopes to double that this year. This spring, the factory turned out a new model, the Wolf -- black and shiny, with aerodynamic lines. "This bike is for anything but hauling potatoes," said Ilya Burlyakov, the Uralmoto sales representative in Moscow. Unsurprisingly, the ad slogan for the Wolf is "Leader of the Pack." Salesmen say customers fit into two categories -- the office worker and the thrill seeker. The former regards the maneuverability of a bike as a way to beat Moscow's wall-to-wall rush-hour traffic and its small size as a way to overcome the city's tight parking situation. The latter seeks, in the words of young Badaev, "to pull up to a corner, have everyone admire his tan legs and think he's cool." Sometimes, the two types converge. "You see these businessmen shedding their suits for weird black leather jackets or those jazzed-up, colorful sport bike outfits. You can tell they're not doing this just for convenience," said Faris Obaidi, an Iraqi Russian who sells American-made Harley-Davidson bikes. Zaldastanov, a k a Surgeon, said he regards motorcycle clubs as repositories of Russia's lost communal values. "Bikes are a symbol which unites us. That's what I think people see in motorcycles today. Real bikers ride in groups. It's a counter to mindless individualism. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but people long to be together, drink vodka under a tree, be happy," he said. To that end, Surgeon is organizing a cycle jamboree on Aug. 20. One such festival included medieval-style jousting by bike-borne contestants; a death-defying exhibition in which stunt men set themselves afire while atop motorbikes whirling inside a metal sphere; strippers; modern dancers; and demolition derbies. A commercial video of the event bore the warning, "Piracy can be harmful to your health." "You see, there's no happy medium in Russia," Surgeon said. "We either go all the way or do nothing." =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:56:40 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: DC Sportbike Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:56:27 -0700 They've representation in the road-race crowd too.. Will on a TLR has been to several races at a couple tracks - nice guy. His tires were definatally not squared off either.. heh. The group seems to be, more or less, just like us - only their main thing is drag-racing, ours is touring? a couple small differences asside, I'd bet we'd mesh well. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 8/2/99 2:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > << This is the second time you have posted about this group. > Since I detect a > bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem > with these guys. > >> > A few of us (DC Cycles Maryland contingent) went to see the > wheelie fest in > DC, the tires were pretty square but the fellows we talked to > were quite > friendly. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:31:20 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:28:35 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Let me be the first to say, "Thank God for the U.S.A!". I could never hack Russia. Thanks for the post Chris. The paragraph below made me LOL and just shake my head. That old communal feeling comes shining right through. Todd (happy to be mindless) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Zaldastanov, a k a Surgeon, said he regards motorcycle clubs as > repositories of Russia's lost communal values. "Bikes are a symbol > which unites us. That's what I think people see in motorcycles today. > Real bikers ride in groups. It's a counter to mindless individualism. > Maybe it's just nostalgia, but people long to be together, drink vodka > under a tree, be happy," he said. > > "You see, there's no happy medium in Russia," Surgeon said. "We > either go all the way or do nothing." > I wonder what "Real Bikers" do about all those mindless individuals. If any of this artical can be taken seriously, my guess would be they'd do "Everything, or nothing at all". Thank GOD for the U.S.A.!!! Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:32:51 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:29:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Lisa S. Goddard" Subject: Anyone? Does anyone on this list know who rides the red and white Moto Guzzi with Nebraska plates that is parked in Bethesda this morning? Lisa Goddard, MIS Specialist Kivex.com, an Alleginace Telecom company Unlock the power of the Internet! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:35:35 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:31:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Question about shop towels X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3 X-Juno-Att: 0 From: Louis E Tweed Cut the grease with an ammonia soak before washing. Soak the rags in a 5 gallon bucket (with a lid) with a heavy ammonia solution for a couple hours and then wash the rags as you would anything else. Louis ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:50:05 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:47:52 -0400 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul At 09:28 AM 8/3/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Let me be the first to say, "Thank God for the U.S.A!". I could never hack >Russia. > >Thanks for the post Chris. The paragraph below made me LOL and just shake >my head. That old communal feeling comes shining right through. > >Todd (happy to be mindless) I find it interesting that the Russian bikers started out as the outcasts, and now consider themselves the upholders of their country's values -- that seems to parallel Harley bikers in this country. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:57:26 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX While we're doing the "was that you?"s, if anyone out there is one of the two women hanging a left from Washington Boulevard onto N. Pershing in Arlington at about 9 last night, hello -- I was the guy at the light on the CX500... --- "Lisa S. Goddard" wrote: > Does anyone on this list know who rides the red and > white Moto Guzzi with > Nebraska plates that is parked in Bethesda this > morning? === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 10:03:19 1999 From: rbernie@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:03:09 -0400 (EDT) To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question about shop towels At 04:29 AM 8/3/99 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels that I pick >up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more >environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels once, then >toss them. So I tried running them through the washing machine (just the >towels, not with my clothes!) with my regular detergent (Tide I think...). >They came out with grease and dirt still in them. Is there a way to >successfully clean them? Anything that will really get the grease and grime >out, or am I just supposed to send them off to a land fill? Run 'em thru the washer with lots of Simple Green and the wash water on HOT. Don't let the washer hit the rinse cycle, else the cold water will help set the stains - stop it at the end of the wash cycle and restart. Do this about 4-5 times, and the rags *and* the washer will be squeaky clean.... Sometimes if the rags have a lot of oil in them, you'll get an oil ring around the top of the wash tub. Use the Simple Green and wash this off between rag wash cycles. FWIW, I do not wash rags which have moly grease on them or are really oil saturated - they're too far gone to reuse, usually. As much as I hate to do it, I still use the blue disposable shop paper towels for the really greasy/oily jobs.. HTH, -- Richard Bernecker rbernie@XXXXXX -- ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 10:14:48 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Norloff wrote: > I find it interesting that the Russian bikers > started out as the outcasts, > and now consider themselves the upholders of their > country's values -- that > seems to parallel Harley bikers in this country. I dunno... do they think of themselves that way? I always get the impression that the Harley thing is (for a certain group, not for all Harley riders!) a way to try to NOT uphold values for a little part of the day, probably as a reaction to being mainstream successful the rest of the time. And I wonder what, say, a French Harley rider thinks of it all. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 10:31:12 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:16:47 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Gil wrote: >It's good to be back. Anyone need any sand? Welcome back, Dude! Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:20:36 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles --- Chris Norloff wrote: > At 03:02 PM 8/2/99 , ImTheMan ITM (who goes > nameless) wrote: > >Worrying about cars trying to get in front of you > >is NOT a good reason to reduce your space cushion. > >If a car gets in front, just put a cushion in front > >of that car. It's better to yeild than to reduce > > space cushion and reaction time. It's likely to > >be just one car anyway. > > > How do you figure it would be only one car? The > discussion is about > keeping a good following distance in traffic, > specifically DC rush hour > traffic. At 60mph you should have at least 180 ft. > following distance (2 > second minimum following distance at 88 ft./sec (60 > mph). In my 4 years of > commuting into DC by motorcycle, year round, I > regularly see people > following at only 10-15 ft. That means you could > put 6 cars in 180 ft., > and given the traffic density and speed, this > happens. > > Slowing down to increase following distance whenever > a car pulls in front > doesn't always work, because then you just endanger > yourself from > tailgaters behind you. > > If I can, I always adjust speed (and position) to > get good following > distance. The question is what to do if you can't > do that. > > Also, how about using your name here? This > "ImTheMan" business is okay on > AOL, but this is not AOL. > > Chris Norloff Well you drive how you want to drive. I personally won't use my body and bike as a barrier for other cars not to get in front of me. And I would slow down only to increase the cushion, then resume speeds at the flow of traffic. If rush hour traffic is 60 mph then I should have enough time/speed/distance to create a cushion, without hitting the brakes. I find that cars behind me see the car in front of me and probably realize why i'm so far back, because i'm on a bike. If cars pass me, they usually pass the car in front of me too. I usually follow the 3 second rule, and feel I have plenty of time to come to a stop if need be. That following distance isn't 180ft. I never saw anywhere that your following distance should be X many feet. I've always heard it should be in seconds. I usually find there is space for 2 maybe 3 cars in front of me, and I'm confident that I could come to a stop and not hit the car in front of me. Evidently you are too, as you follow closer than your "180 feet". And I'd rather slow down (not braking mind you) and have the car behind me tailgate for a second than reduce my reaction time and space cushion. That car is probably going to tailgate me anyway, no matter what the position of the car in front of me. Either it will slow down and not tailgate me, or I'll deal with that problem next, as it's secondary, as a risk, than reducing my reaction time. I believe far more accidents are caused from biker error than tailgating error. I only recall seeing stories of "car turns or stops in front of biker, biker hits it" rather than "tailgater hits biker". Most idiots who tailgate will also jam on their brakes if they get too close.. that's still better than not having enough reaction time. I'd rather have the guy behind me jamming on brakes than the guy in front of me, and not having time/space to deal with it. If it's more than one car, and all the drivers in the left lane are idiots, I'll go to another lane where I'm more comfortable. As far as using my name, I try to keep my information off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't even my primary email address. If someone needs to know my name, they will know it. Why do you need to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell me when it's okay or not to use an online nickname, I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. Like i said, drive how you want to drive. I generally recommend bikers to be yeilding, as we all know how vulnerable we are. - Ride safe. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:30:11 1999 X-Originating-IP: [198.76.254.211] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mt. Washington NH Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:29:35 EDT >Louis Caplan wrote: "Has anyone taken their bike or (gasp) car up on Mt. Washington (located in New Hampshire, near Maine)? I was there three weeks ago on my Concours. When you pay your fee at the bottom they will give you a nice sticker that says "This Bike Climbed Mt. Washington". My friend I was with is afraid of heights and there is a warning sign at the bottom. He said hey thats me they are talking about but he went up anyway. Shaking like a leaf at the top though.! The road is 8 mi. long. and the speed limit is 20 mph. You probably won't maintain 20 if there is any traffic. Figure maybe 30 min up and 30 min down and maybe an hour to look around at the top. The road is paved but narrow and there is a good but of dirt and small gravel in places, mostly from runoff. Lots of burning brakes from all the SUV's on vacation. On the Concours it was all 1st and 2nd gear with lots of 1st! On the way down the brakes are cool though because the engine compression braking will keep the speed down. Gear selection will regulate speed on the way down with little use of brakes. The Concours was pretty hot by the top of the mt. (this was on a warm day) Also do the "Kank" Kangamungus (SP?). Which runs E-W and is maybe 20 miles south of Mt. Washington. We camped at Pillsbury St. Park in SW NH and they include a pass to the beach at Lk. Sunipee for $12/ night. Pit toilets only but very pretty small lake and we got a site right on the water. Paul Gerhardt 86 Concours 96 FZR600 COG 1594 AMA Centreville, MD on the eastern shore. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:31:52 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:29 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "McCoy; Brian NAB02" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: DC Sportbike Cool! Drag racing! -Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: DC Sportbike Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy; Brian NAB02) Date: 08/03/1999 8:56 AM They've representation in the road-race crowd too.. Will on a TLR has been to several races at a couple tracks - nice guy. His tires were definatally not squared off either.. heh. The group seems to be, more or less, just like us - only their main thing is drag-racing, ours is touring? a couple small differences asside, I'd bet we'd mesh well. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 8/2/99 2:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > << This is the second time you have posted about this group. > Since I detect a > bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem > with these guys. > >> > A few of us (DC Cycles Maryland contingent) went to see the > wheelie fest in > DC, the tires were pretty square but the fellows we talked to > were quite > friendly. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:55:41 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles --- ImTheMan ITM wrote: > As far as using my name, I try to keep my > information > off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't > even my primary email address. If someone needs to > know my name, they will know it. Why do you need > to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell > me when it's okay or not to use an online nickname, > I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. I totally understand the desire to guard one's privacy, but for what it's worth, I'll tell you my reaction to people on lists, newsgroups, etc. who use nicknames only -- it's really hard to take them seriously. I'm not going to say this is an entirely rational reaction, but it's real. I would liken it to being at a social event and talking to someone who says "Hi, I'm Bob" and somone who sits there with a mask on so you can't ID them. It does kind of inhibit development of any kind of relationship or community or whatever. Sometimes what they have to say is good and interesting enough to me that they start to register as real people, but more often I feel like I'm hearing from a fictional character. Obviously you are free to do whatever you want, but the reality is that some people will have a negative reaction to it. I have no desire to get into a big debate about whether this is good or fair; it's just reality, in my experience, and pretty understandable, in my opinion. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:56:31 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motor cyclist Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:51:49 -0700 Your belief may be correct.. but I'm living, walking (racing.. heh) proof that bikes can and DO get nailed from behind.. it happened to me back in March - NOT in DC, NOT in rush -hour, NOT on a weekday, NOT on a highway... but 9am on a Saturday morning on a sidestreet as I was returning home from the bank... Cost me a broken wrist (4 months to heal, including the surgery) and seperated right shoulder... We're all going to ride how WE feel comfortable and safe... me, I'm rather agressive and forcefull - I MAKE myself a known presence by getting alongside, or just in front of cars so they can hear my loudish pipe.. I use my horns (aftermarket FIAMMS) often, and usually flow 5~10mph faster than the 'flow' of traffic, and I have no qualms about using fists and feet to alert a BDC (no, not a backup domain controler you IT geeks) to my presence.... only a couple times in the past few years has that not worked. *shrug* my calculated and accepted risk. Brian McCoy (you want my info... screw it, the worst I'll get is junk-mail - and that's easy enough to bin... some people are to paranoid about what info is safe to relase to the world..) > -----Original Message----- > From: ImTheMan ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > I believe far more accidents are caused from biker error than > tailgating error. I only recall seeing stories of "car turns or stops > in front of biker, biker hits it" rather than "tailgater hits > biker". From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:08:35 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:02:40 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously InjuredMotorcyclist To: ImTheMan ITM , DC-Cycles X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal You gave Yahoo your personal information, or you mis-represented yourself to them. What's the big secret? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: ImTheMan ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > As far as using my name, I try to keep my information > off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't > even my primary email address. If someone needs to > know my name, they will know it. Why do you need > to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell > me when it's okay or not to use an online nickname, > I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. > > Like i said, drive how you want to drive. I generally > recommend bikers to be yeilding, as we all know > how vulnerable we are. > > - Ride safe. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:19:30 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:05:37 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist From: John Whiteside >Sometimes what they have to say is good and >interesting enough to me that they start to register >as real people, but more often I feel like I'm hearing >from a fictional character. Heh. Some of us fictional characters go to great lengths to cultivate that rep. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:21:28 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "McCoy Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:19:27 -0400 Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motor cyclist Content-Disposition: inline I have seen this. It wasn't pretty, but well deserved! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "McCoy Brian NAB02" on 08/03/99 11:51:49 AM To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motor cyclist I have no qualms about using fists and feet to alert a BDC From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:25:38 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:22 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "McCoy; Brian NAB02" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Have you attacked any buses lately, Brian?? Oh... and I was not thinking of a backup domain controller... although mentioning it did remind me of some work that I need to finish! Later, Tom <----- still gets a good laugh after witnessing Brian attack a bus about a year ago... '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy; Brian NAB02) Date: 08/03/1999 11:51 AM ...and I have no qualms about using fists and feet to alert a BDC... (no, not a backup domain controler you IT geeks) to my From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:43:11 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:38:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist Content-Disposition: inline I agree. It's kind of like asking someone's name at a social gathering and they refuse to disclose it. It's rude and the person shouldn't be surprised if he/she is ignored by the rest of the group. >>I would liken it to being at a social event and talking to someone who says "Hi, I'm Bob" and somone who sits there with a mask on so you can't ID them. It does kind of inhibit development of any kind of relationship or community or whatever.<< From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:00:02 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:01:07 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM , DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist At 11:18 AM 8/3/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: >Well you drive how you want to drive. I personally >won't use my body and bike as a barrier for other >cars not to get in front of me. And I would slow down >only to increase the cushion, then resume speeds at >the flow of traffic. You didn't listen to a word I said. As far as using my name, I try to keep my information >off of the internet. This list is not "on" the Internet, it is a select list that has messages delivered only to the recipients. You're in more danger from Yahoo selling your name than in the 230 dc-cycles listers knowing who you are. >I never used AOL. This isn't >even my primary email address. If someone needs to >know my name, they will know it. Why do you need >to know my name anyway? Because over many years I've learned that people who don't wish to be identified, and who use cutesy names, don't add much to the conversation. >I generally >recommend bikers to be yeilding, as we all know >how vulnerable we are. You still didn't listen to a work I said. Filter is now on. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:03:45 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:01:43 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM From: Troutman Subject: Re: Picking on ImTheMan Cc: DC-Cycles At 11:18 AM 8/3/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: >I believe far more accidents are caused from biker error than >tailgating error. I only recall seeing stories of "car turns or stops >in front of biker, biker hits it" rather than "tailgater hits biker". yep, thats true. But ask the people on the list how many times they have come within inches of getting nailed from behind. >As far as using my name, I try to keep my information >off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't >even my primary email address. If someone needs to >know my name, they will know it. Why do you need >to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell >me when it's okay or not to use an online nickname, >I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. You can try to keep your information off the Internet, but it is close to a futile cause. You think my name is really Mike? Cheers. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:29:16 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Horkster wrote: > Heh. Some of us fictional characters go to great > lengths > to cultivate that rep. :) Given the incredible willfulness characters in my own fiction have been known to display, perhaps I should watch what I say about fictional types... === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:29:17 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:22:17 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: fast lane cycles All, Anyone ever had their bike over at Fast Lane cycles in Chantilly? I was thinking of dropping it off there while I'm in CA to get the front end and the jetting taken care of, and I was curious to hear your opinions on them. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:40:01 1999 X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Math fight! was "Police seek" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:39:26 PDT Uh oh. The newbie got himself into a math and statistics fight with Chris Norloff. Too bad he went in unarmed, the fight would be a lot more fun if the newbie could at lea