From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 09:52:08 1999 From: Jeanies01@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:51:22 EDT Subject: 750 Shadow windshield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I recently bought a 99 Honda Shadow 750 Deluxe. I had the dealer order and install the Honda windshield that goes on the bike. The mountings are all chrome and looks great.....however the shield is not adjustable and I really need it to be a couple of inches higher. Anyone out there know of another shield that might fit these mountings? Or are there any Shadow riders out there that know how I can raise this silly thing? Jeanie S. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 11:21:39 1999 From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: hit and run... Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:19:11 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BEDC0F.ADE5EEE0 l ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BEDC0F.ADE5EEE0
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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BEDC0F.ADE5EEE0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 12:16:11 1999 From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:13:45 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BEDC17.4D40BF40 Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 hours after my bike was = totalled in a stupid accident. Before anyone starts saying "I told you = so" or anything like that, let me say that I was doing none of the = "Squidly" behavior that I am frequently seen on these lists talking = about. I was merely making a left turn... I was heading northbound on MD Rt. 424 coming back from the store. = There is a slight rise in the road about 50 yards down from the parking = lot I was turning in to (the community center). As I always do on hills = and such, I moved farther to the right in my lane when approaching said = hill (I've heard plenty of horror stories, car and bike, about this kind = of thing happening). So, as I approach the crest in the road, I begin = braking to make the left turn. I see an oncoming car. He appears to be = in his lane. As I come off the rise, I discover, much to my surprise, = he is not. He is at least two feet into my lane, over the double = yellow. I have less than a second to react, and since I'm already on = the brakes, the bike didn't want to turn at all. He hit the front of = the left side, right by the turn signal. I suspect he didn't take my = leg off because he was already turning back into his lane. The bike, = either because of the impact, or my grabbing a whole shitload of front = brake, kicked the back end up and out to the side and I ended up doing a = skidding stoppie at about 30 miles an hour. The bike then hit the = ground and I was thrown off. It skidded away from me, and I rolled to a = stop. The car kept going. As soon as I stopped moving, I was standing = back up. People from the center were running towards me. I walked past = them, even though several tried to stop me, saying I needed to get = inside and clean myself up and see if I was hurt. I got inside, walked = into the bathroom and began checking myself out. Road rash all on my = arms and legs, through my pants and everything. I washed off my arms = and hands, and then realized my knee really hurt. I pulled aside my = tattered clothes to see a whole in my knee about the size of a quarter. = All the way to the bone. It was crazy. I immediately ran back outside, = and told everyone that I needed medical attention right away There was = no phone at the building, so my friend James and his girlfriend took me = to the nearest emergency room. After about 10 minutes, the adrenaline = wore off, and everything started to hurt. To make a long and gruesome = story short, after much screaming, and many injections, the doctors and = nurses at the Bowie Health Center, got me patched up enough that I could = go home. I am very lucky. No missing limbs and/or fingers, much = painful but otherwise harmless road rash, and a potentially really cool = looking scar on my knee. We eventually made it back to the scene, at = which time I was doped up on various shots and Vicadin. My friends had = cleaned up the bike, and moved it into the parking lot. We took some = poloroids of the wreckage, and in my drug induced delirium fell asleep. = I woke up the next day at a friends house, in a whole shitload of pain. = I called the police the next morning (I know, it was probably too late, = but I thought it was the right thing to do). They couldn't take a = statement over the phone, and said I needed to come back into Anne = Arundel County for me to speak to an officer. Of course, I couldn't get = to Anne Arundel county, because I had no transportation. My friends had = gone out to pick me up stuff for my wounds, and I spent the entire = morning on the phone with my insurance company. My insurance company = said that I should be covered under MD State uninsured motorists = something-or-other, and that a police report would help. The cop, when = I spoke to him that afternoon, said that because of lack of evidnece, = and that I couldn't get a hold of them quickly that he couldn't do a = report. He did give me an incident number, and hopefully everything = else will be taken care of by my insurance. They said that they will be = giving me the market value (supposedly higher thatn blue book) of the = totalled bike, a new helmet, and compensation for "pain and suffering" = (I'm still not sure what this is exaclty). So, depending on hom much = money I get, I might be getting an F4 or something along those lines. = I'm anticipating that once I heal up (at least two weeks before I can = ride again), that I will be out shopping around, and that everything = will turn out ok. =20 Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (destroyed) Annandale, Va PS - I'll have pictures of the destrucion soon... Maybe some pictures = of my wounds too :-) ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BEDC17.4D40BF40
Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 = hours after my=20 bike was totalled in a stupid accident.  Before anyone starts = saying=20 "I told you so" or anything like that, let me say that I was = doing=20 none of the "Squidly" behavior that I am frequently seen on = these=20 lists talking about.  I was merely making a left = turn...
 
I was heading northbound on MD Rt. 424 coming back = from the=20 store.  There is a slight rise in the road about 50 yards down from = the=20 parking lot I was turning in to (the community center).  As I = always do on=20 hills and such, I moved farther to the right in my lane when approaching = said=20 hill (I've heard plenty of horror stories, car and bike, about this kind = of=20 thing happening).  So, as I approach the crest in  the road, I = begin=20 braking to make the left turn.  I see an oncoming car.  He = appears to=20 be in his lane.  As I come off the rise, I discover, much to my = surprise,=20 he is not.  He is at least two feet into my lane, over the double=20 yellow.  I have less than a second to react, and since I'm already = on the=20 brakes, the bike didn't want to turn at all.  He hit the front of = the left=20 side, right by the turn signal.  I suspect he didn't take my leg = off=20 because he was already turning back into his lane.  The bike, = either=20 because of the impact, or my grabbing a whole shitload of front brake, = kicked=20 the back end up and out to the side and I ended up doing a skidding = stoppie at=20 about 30 miles an hour.  The bike then hit the ground and I was = thrown=20 off.  It skidded away from me, and I rolled to a stop.  The = car kept=20 going.  As soon as I stopped moving, I was standing back up.  = People=20 from the center were running towards me.  I walked past them,  = even=20 though several tried to stop me,  saying I needed to get inside and = clean=20 myself up and see if I was hurt.  I got inside, walked into the = bathroom=20 and began checking myself out.  Road rash all on my arms and legs, = through=20 my pants and everything.  I washed off my arms and hands, and then = realized=20 my knee really hurt.  I pulled aside my tattered clothes to see a = whole in=20 my knee about the size of a quarter.  All the way to the = bone.  It was=20 crazy.  I immediately ran back outside, and told everyone that I = needed=20 medical attention right away  There was no phone at the building, = so my=20 friend James and his girlfriend took me to the nearest emergency = room. =20 After about 10 minutes, the adrenaline wore off, and everything started = to=20 hurt.  To make a long and gruesome story short, after much = screaming, and=20 many injections, the doctors and nurses at the Bowie Health Center, got = me=20 patched up enough that I could go home.  I am very lucky.  No = missing=20 limbs and/or fingers, much painful but otherwise harmless road rash, and = a=20 potentially really cool looking scar on my knee.  We eventually = made it=20 back to the scene, at which time I was doped up on various shots and=20 Vicadin.  My friends had cleaned up the bike, and moved it into the = parking=20 lot.  We took some poloroids of the wreckage, and in my drug = induced=20 delirium fell asleep.  I woke up the next day at a friends house, = in a=20 whole shitload of pain. 
 
I called the police the next morning (I know, it was = probably=20 too late, but I thought it was the right thing to do).  They = couldn't take=20 a statement over the phone, and said I needed to come back into Anne = Arundel=20 County for me to speak to an officer.  Of course, I couldn't get to = Anne=20 Arundel county, because I had no transportation.  My friends had = gone out=20 to pick me up stuff for my wounds, and I spent the entire morning on the = phone=20 with my insurance company.  My insurance company said that I should = be=20 covered under MD State uninsured motorists something-or-other, and that = a police=20 report would help.  The cop, when I spoke to him that afternoon, = said that=20 because of lack of evidnece, and that I couldn't get a hold of them = quickly that=20 he couldn't do a report.  He did give me an incident number, and = hopefully=20 everything else will be taken care of by my insurance.  They said = that they=20 will be giving me the market value (supposedly higher thatn blue book) = of the=20 totalled bike, a new helmet,  and compensation for "pain and=20 suffering" (I'm still not sure what this is exaclty).  So, = depending=20 on hom much money I get, I might be getting an F4 or something along = those=20 lines.  I'm anticipating that once I heal up (at least two weeks = before I=20 can ride again), that I will be out shopping around, and that everything = will=20 turn out ok. 
 
Kirt
1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (destroyed)
Annandale, Va
 
PS - I'll have pictures of the destrucion = soon...  Maybe=20 some pictures of my wounds too :-)
 
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BEDC17.4D40BF40-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 12:48:02 1999 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:42:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist From: "David Cross" To: "DC-Cycles" >>. He >> was then hit >> by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane. That is my worst nightmare! I hope he is going to be ok. dave cross From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 16:12:03 1999 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow man, I hope you heal up quick. Scary story. It's a shame these things happen. Seems like you have a pretty cool insurance company, who are they? What do you know about the type of car anything? Get well soon! -Dan --- Kirt Senser wrote: > Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 > hours after my bike was totalled in a stupid > accident. Before anyone starts saying "I told you > so" or anything like that, let me say that I was > doing none of the "Squidly" behavior that I am > frequently seen on these lists talking about. I was > merely making a left turn... > > I was heading northbound on MD Rt. 424 coming back > from the store. There is a slight rise in the road > about 50 yards down from the parking lot I was > turning in to (the community center). As I always > do on hills and such, I moved farther to the right > in my lane when approaching said hill (I've heard > plenty of horror stories, car and bike, about this > kind of thing happening). So, as I approach the > crest in the road, I begin braking to make the left > turn. I see an oncoming car. He appears to be in > his lane. As I come off the rise, I discover, much > to my surprise, he is not. He is at least two feet > into my lane, over the double yellow. I have less > than a second to react, and since I'm already on the > brakes, the bike didn't want to turn at all. He hit > the front of the left side, right by the turn > signal. I suspect he didn't take my leg off because > he was already turning back into his lane. The > bike, either because of the impact, or my grabbing a > whole shitload of front brake, kicked the back end > up and out to the side and I ended up doing a > skidding stoppie at about 30 miles an hour. The > bike then hit the ground and I was thrown off. It > skidded away from me, and I rolled to a stop. The > car kept going. As soon as I stopped moving, I was > standing back up. People from the center were > running towards me. I walked past them, even > though several tried to stop me, saying I needed to > get inside and clean myself up and see if I was > hurt. I got inside, walked into the bathroom and > began checking myself out. Road rash all on my arms > and legs, through my pants and everything. I washed > off my arms and hands, and then realized my knee > really hurt. I pulled aside my tattered clothes to > see a whole in my knee about the size of a quarter. > All the way to the bone. It was crazy. I > immediately ran back outside, and told everyone that > I needed medical attention right away There was no > phone at the building, so my friend James and his > girlfriend took me to the nearest emergency room. > After about 10 minutes, the adrenaline wore off, and > everything started to hurt. To make a long and > gruesome story short, after much screaming, and many > injections, the doctors and nurses at the Bowie > Health Center, got me patched up enough that I could > go home. I am very lucky. No missing limbs and/or > fingers, much painful but otherwise harmless road > rash, and a potentially really cool looking scar on > my knee. We eventually made it back to the scene, > at which time I was doped up on various shots and > Vicadin. My friends had cleaned up the bike, and > moved it into the parking lot. We took some > poloroids of the wreckage, and in my drug induced > delirium fell asleep. I woke up the next day at a > friends house, in a whole shitload of pain. > > I called the police the next morning (I know, it was > probably too late, but I thought it was the right > thing to do). They couldn't take a statement over > the phone, and said I needed to come back into Anne > Arundel County for me to speak to an officer. Of > course, I couldn't get to Anne Arundel county, > because I had no transportation. My friends had > gone out to pick me up stuff for my wounds, and I > spent the entire morning on the phone with my > insurance company. My insurance company said that I > should be covered under MD State uninsured motorists > something-or-other, and that a police report would > help. The cop, when I spoke to him that afternoon, > said that because of lack of evidnece, and that I > couldn't get a hold of them quickly that he couldn't > do a report. He did give me an incident number, and > hopefully everything else will be taken care of by > my insurance. They said that they will be giving me > the market value (supposedly higher thatn blue book) > of the totalled bike, a new helmet, and > compensation for "pain and suffering" (I'm still not > sure what this is exaclty). So, depending on hom > much money I get, I might be getting an F4 or > something along those lines. I'm anticipating that > once I heal up (at least two weeks before I can ride > again), that I will be out shopping around, and that > everything will turn out ok. > > Kirt > 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (destroyed) > Annandale, Va > > PS - I'll have pictures of the destrucion soon... > Maybe some pictures of my wounds too :-) > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 20:05:43 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:04:21 EDT Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: ksenser@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/1999 12:21:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: << Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 hours after my bike was totalled in a stupid accident. >> Sorry to hear about your accident. I totaled mine last year and know all about the road rash thing. After your wounds start to heal up and scab off, start using cocoa butter with vitamin E. It'll help eliminate a lot of the scars. I only have one major one left on my knee and another on my left wrist. Get better soon. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 20:20:12 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point question ??? Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:17:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Why did they have the area at the carousel blocked off? Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com Bike Pics http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 22:11:35 1999 From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:09:05 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 What?!? Scars are cool! I won't have scars on anything important, so as long as they don't get infected, I'm set. Haha...JK... I want the knee to scar up real good, but everything else is just road rash, and with care and neosporin should be fine. :-) Kirt NO DAMN CBR now... Annandale, Va -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: ksenser@XXXXXX ; cbr@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:05 AM Subject: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident >In a message dated 8/1/1999 12:21:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >ksenser@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 hours after my bike was >totalled in a stupid accident. >> > >Sorry to hear about your accident. I totaled mine last year and know all >about the road rash thing. After your wounds start to heal up and scab off, >start using cocoa butter with vitamin E. It'll help eliminate a lot of the >scars. I only have one major one left on my knee and another on my left >wrist. Get better soon. > >Scooter > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 22:36:58 1999 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah scars are kinda cool. I burned my leg on my muffler trying to put my bike on centerstand wearing shorts. I was thinking.. hmm this might leave a cool scar hehe.. but now i'm thinking, it's just a minor burn, it might not scar.. oh well hehe --- Kirt Senser wrote: > What?!? Scars are cool! I won't have scars on > anything important, so as > long as they don't get infected, I'm set. > Haha...JK... I want the knee to > scar up real good, but everything else is just road > rash, and with care and > neosporin should be fine. :-) > > Kirt > NO DAMN CBR now... > Annandale, Va > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > To: ksenser@XXXXXX ; > cbr@XXXXXX ; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:05 AM > Subject: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a > hit-and-run incident > > > >In a message dated 8/1/1999 12:21:57 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > >ksenser@XXXXXX writes: > > > ><< Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 > hours after my bike was > >totalled in a stupid accident. >> > > > >Sorry to hear about your accident. I totaled mine > last year and know all > >about the road rash thing. After your wounds start > to heal up and scab > off, > >start using cocoa butter with vitamin E. It'll > help eliminate a lot of the > >scars. I only have one major one left on my knee > and another on my left > >wrist. Get better soon. > > > >Scooter > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 1 22:49:45 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:50:44 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisa Goddard Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident Hey, I once burnt my leg so badly I could read the warning label from the pipe on my calf..... At 07:33 PM 8/1/99 -0700, ImTheMan ITM wrote: >Yeah scars are kinda cool. I burned my leg on my muffler trying to put >my bike on centerstand wearing >shorts. I was thinking.. hmm this might leave a cool >scar hehe.. but now i'm thinking, it's just a minor >burn, it might not scar.. oh well hehe > >--- Kirt Senser wrote: >> What?!? Scars are cool! I won't have scars on >> anything important, so as >> long as they don't get infected, I'm set. >> Haha...JK... I want the knee to >> scar up real good, but everything else is just road >> rash, and with care and >> neosporin should be fine. :-) >> >> Kirt >> NO DAMN CBR now... >> Annandale, Va >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >> To: ksenser@XXXXXX ; >> cbr@XXXXXX ; >> dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:05 AM >> Subject: [cbr] Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a >> hit-and-run incident >> >> >> >In a message dated 8/1/1999 12:21:57 PM Eastern >> Daylight Time, >> >ksenser@XXXXXX writes: >> > >> ><< Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 >> hours after my bike was >> >totalled in a stupid accident. >> >> > >> >Sorry to hear about your accident. I totaled mine >> last year and know all >> >about the road rash thing. After your wounds start >> to heal up and scab >> off, >> >start using cocoa butter with vitamin E. It'll >> help eliminate a lot of the >> >scars. I only have one major one left on my knee >> and another on my left >> >wrist. Get better soon. >> > >> >Scooter >> > >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 07:08:31 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Mt. Washington To: DC-Cycles Has anyone taken their bike or (gasp) car up on Mt. Washington (located in New Hampshire, near Maine)? I've seen several cars and a few bikes in this area with "This Car (bike) climbed Mt. Washington" bumper stickers. If you have, could you e-mail me and let me know approximately how long the trip was to get to the top and back down? I know the road is about 7-8 miles, but want to find out time wise how long it will take. (including paying to get on the road) In a few weeks I'm doing another 1000 mile ride, and in the middle I'll be near Mt. Washington, so need to calculate if I'll have enough time to ride to the top. Were there a lot of people (i.e. slow cars) when you went, or was the road relatively clear? Thanks, Louis _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 08:02:33 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 07:52:37 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Re: Summit Point question/Carousel To: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 To seperate spectators from the flaggers I believe. One weekend riders were having trouble picking out the flagger amongst all the spectators, as that is a fast section of track, so they closed it off. I thinks that's why. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong. I dont really understand it. I think the flagger should be in the crows nest, and let as many spectators as possible watch from beneath it. The crows nest/hot tub is easiest to see anyway from the top of 4, and then everyone could have their cake and eat it too. MARRC doesn't like putting people in that thing though, and their not dumb guys so there must be a good reason. Jonathan Broga > Why did they have the area at the carousel blocked off? > > Gary W. Foreman > EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX > WEB: http://www.fj1100.com > Bike Pics http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman > '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:08:10 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:17:01 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist At 04:42 AM 7/31/99 , David Cross wrote: > >>. He > >> was then hit > >> by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane. From the sound of it, the best thing he could have done was not tailgate the car he hit-- "> The car pulled out in front of a 1998 Plymouth Neon. The 1989 Honda > motorcycle struck the rear of the Neon and the motorcyclist was > thrown over the Jersey barrier into the left-hand lane of I-395 proper. He > was then hit by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane." I know it's hard not to tailgate -- if you leave appropriate following distance, cars will often fill the space in front of you. The only things I think you can do are-- 1. Watch even farther ahead, 2. Stay to one side or another so you can go between cars if you can't stop (this also protects you from tailgaters) 3. Switch lanes if possible to avoid an upcoming hazard (car on the side of the road might pull out into traffic). best wishes to the hurt rider, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:08:10 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:23:22 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Mt. Washington At 07:08 AM 8/2/99 , Louis F. Caplan wrote: >Has anyone taken their bike or (gasp) car up on Mt. Washington (located in New >Hampshire, near Maine)? I've seen several cars and a few bikes in this area >with "This Car (bike) climbed Mt. Washington" bumper stickers. Yes, it was a blast. >If you have, could you e-mail me and let me know approximately how long the >trip was to get to the top and back down? I know the road is about 7-8 miles, >but want to find out time wise how long it will take. (including paying >to get >on the road) In a few weeks I'm doing another 1000 mile ride, and in the >middle I'll be near Mt. Washington, so need to calculate if I'll have enough >time to ride to the top. Were there a lot of people (i.e. slow cars) when you >went, or was the road relatively clear? When I went, with another rider, the road was clear but there was fog on the mountain. Sometimes due to road condtions (wind, mostly) they'll close the road to motorcycles. Mt. Washington sticks up high enough that the jetstream touches the top sometimes -- the highest winds ever recorded were recorded there, 238 mph as I recall. The old buildings have logging chains thrown over the roof and anchored on each side to hold things together. The road was paved for the bottom half, and gravel for the top half. There's no guardrails - if you went off the road, you'd be lucky if people could find pieces of you at the bottom of the mountain. I found that 10-20 mph was as fast as I felt comfortable, mostly not knowing if a car would come around a corner in the middle of the lane. I didn't time the ride, but I'd guesstimate it was 25-35 minutes each way. This is not a road to hurry on. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:18:28 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:14:10 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Summit Point question/Carousel To: jambroga , DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal If I understand this conversation, the marshalls at turn five where keeping people away from the hot-tub (under/around/etc.). I'm unsure of the reason other than what Jonothan brought up, that the riders are looking to that area for flagging information and too many people may distract from the flagger. That corner used to be worked from across the track, a little up from the hot-tub. A worker got hit last year (pick-up, not a flagger) in that corner and busted a leg, so now they keep the flaggers in the tub. As for keeping spectators out of the tub, it seems to be a relatively new policy and may only be selective. Last year we made people get in the tub if they wanted to watch from turn 3/10. Whatever the reasons for holding people back, they are based in safety. You might want to send a note over Bill Powers at MARRC http://marrc.nova.org/cw.htm Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: jambroga [mailto:jbroga@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 10:53 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Summit Point question/Carousel > > > To seperate spectators from the flaggers I believe. One weekend > riders were > having trouble picking out the flagger amongst all the spectators, as that > is a fast section of track, so they closed it off. I thinks that's why. > Someone else correct me if I'm wrong. I dont really understand it. I think > the flagger should be in the crows nest, and let as many spectators as > possible watch from beneath it. The crows nest/hot tub is easiest to see > anyway from the top of 4, and then everyone could have their cake > and eat it > too. MARRC doesn't like putting people in that thing though, and their not > dumb guys so there must be a good reason. > > Jonathan Broga > > > Why did they have the area at the carousel blocked off? > > > > Gary W. Foreman > > EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX > > WEB: http://www.fj1100.com > > Bike Pics http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman > > '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:24:39 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:14:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Kirt, Bad luck there, man. I'm glad you're mostly okay. I hate to potentially rub salt in a wound, but what kind of protection were you wearing besides a helmet? If you got road rash all over your arms and legs, I have to assume you weren't wearing a jacket or riding pants. Maybe you can spend some of your award money on a set of leathers? (I was riding on Saturday in full leathers and even then it wasn't that bad, heat-wise) I don't want to tell others what to wear or how to ride - it's just a suggestion. Besides, leathers are figuratively "cool", if not literally so. In any case, good luck with your insurance and your healing process. Let us know how you're doing from time to time. Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 From: Kirt Senser Here I sit, all busted up, in front of my PC 36 hours after my bike was totalled in a stupid accident. Before anyone starts saying "I told you so" or anything like that, let me say that I was doing none of the "Squidly" behavior that I am frequently seen on these lists talking about. I was merely making a left turn... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 09:24:54 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Kirt Senser" cc: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:19:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident Content-Disposition: inline Real sorry to hear about your accident. How someone could hit you and just drive off is beyond me, but I hope they get theirs! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "People suck" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 10:37:37 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:36:14 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point question ??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/1999 8:25:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: << Why did they have the area at the carousel blocked off? >> MARRC blocked off the carousel because of two incidents where a bike went over the safety wall. At the second incident a spectator, a minute before, was standing at the spot where the bike went plowing on through. Consequently, MARRC now is blocking off any areas where there isn't "designated" spectator seating. -matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:07:44 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:08:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome from=20 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-08/02/087l-080299-idx.html The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome By Andy Solomon Monday, August 2, 1999; Page C02 OUTLAW MACHINE Harley-Davidson and the Search for the American Soul By Brock Yates Little, Brown. 249 pp. $24 If he'd wondered what these renegades were up to and pulled over the 75 Harleys I rode with on U.S. 25 in mid-July, the trooper would have found that you meet the nicest people on Harleys. They were surgeons, carpenters, teachers, troopers, grandparents. Many were women, some atop their own cruisers, others perched behind their significant biker. Their age averaged 45, though they spanned five decades. They spoke Harleyspeak, where hogs don't swill table scraps, and owning a full dresser doesn't mean you just did your laundry. They were joining 10,000 other Harleys at a South Carolina rally. What he could never have done was pull over 75 folks at once on Suzukis or any bike other than Harley. Riders of German BMWs, Italian Moto Guzzis and Japanese Yamahas insist, with ample reason, that their bikes are vastly superior, yet none inspires cultlike devotion. We admire perfection; we never love it. Germans cherish efficiency; Italians, panache; Japanese, technological precision. But Americans love Harley, this burnished behemoth that quakes and roars and leaks and demands attention like a petulant bride. Only Harley riders, notes Brock Yates, feel brand loyalty sufficient to tattoo their bike's logo on their bodies. With intelligence, authority and macho zest--and enough sociopolitical insight to justify its grandiose subtitle--"Outlaw Machine" explains the lure, makes clear why when you buy a Harley you get not just a bike but a family. Yates says we love the Harley because it is "uncompromising and unfailingly honest . . . so elemental, so lusty, so purely and classically American." Its first model appeared in the same year as the first World Series, 1903, and its image was cast by outlaws in the overblown Hollister, Calif., "riot" of 1947. A Life magazine photo of a drunken, beefy Tulare Raider or Booze Fighter (the gangs partying brashly in Hollister) indirectly inspired the Marlon Brando film "The Wild One," where Brando's bikers terrorize a town. Meanwhile, in very real life, "angry youths rebelling against the smarmy Ike and Mamie Good Life" had formed the Hell's Angels, shaped in the late 1950s by the organizational genius of Ralph "Sonny" Barger, the Luciano of denim, into the most feared and glamorized club in America. Renegades rode Harleys. Try as it might, Harley-Davidson could not shed the image. It made the outlaw machine. Charting the company's evolution from William Harley and Arthur and Walter Davidson's first motorized bicycle to today's majestic Road Kings, Yates argues that Harley couldn't thrive until it embraced its outlaw mystique. We see Harley's first trademark V-twin in 1909, the inspired launching of its own magazine in 1916, its 1922 price-fixing scheme with a manufacturer called Indian, its defining classic 1936 Knucklehead model. Following Indian's 1953 demise, Harley became America's lone motorcycle, but soon imports threatened it with extinction. Barely surviving under the clueless though supportive brief ownership of AMF, Harley finally found what would help it prosper: the technological leap of its Evolution engine and, crucially, the awareness by third-generation Harley executive and authentic biker Willie G. Davidson of Harley's don't-you-dare-fence-me-in appeal. It is the mustang for roaming today's frontier: 100 percent all-American, say those who sneer at Honda and Kawasaki rice-burners that are actually made by Yanks in Ohio and Nebraska. By the '90s, Harley became our most fashionable emblem of in-your-face virility. Boomers had to have one. Harley had always drawn the discontented, the burned-out, the restless, and now that's most of us. Mild-mannered college professors could climb on and instantly chair Hell's Curriculum Committee. There is also the RUB, the Rich Urban Biker. Lawyers and dentists on Sundays now shun their Polo knits, donning boots and leathers to become faux outlaws on Westchester and Bethesda highways, basking in Harley's paradoxical confluence of chic and bad-to-the-bone images, a double-think possible only in a country that's always lionized the wolfish renegade, its Jesse James and Pretty Boy Floyd. Each weekend, fiftysomething executives escape the corporate cookie-cutter, update doo-wop to do-rags, and resurrect their rebellious youth. Yates can ramble--a chapter about the Daytona, Fla., Bike Week wanders into analysis of the computer age, then to Harleys as art--but his meandering always stays interesting and itself echoes the rhythm of a good motorcycle tour and the drifting reflectiveness of a rider's mind. If you want to know why 20 gleaming Harleys just passed your minivan, and why on one some gray-bearded outlaw or cardiologist wore a T-shirt reading "I'd rather see my sister in a whorehouse than my brother on a Honda," "Outlaw Machine" is the second most pleasurable way to find out. Andy Solomon, a professor of English at the University of Tampa who is finishing a book about a 9,000-mile motorcycle trip with his son. =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:14:08 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:12 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Quick shout out... You... two-tone yellow brand spanking new cruiser (looked like a Moto-Guzzi) with 30-day tags on Rock Creek Pkwy/Beach Dr. You gave a wave to me as I was turning off onto Porter St. Also You... red Ninja 500 also on Rock Creek Pkwy (near Watergate). Me... White '86 VFR750 that a) passed the Ninja early and b) rode behind cruiser into tunnel (yes my VFR does sound sweet)... Anyway... just saying hello and wondering if you guys are a part of the list! Have a good one! -Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:32:20 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:31:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Rafting! Anyone into rafting on the list? I'm going with some friends to this - riding up there with gear strapped to the tank. Should be a blast. ================================= http://aceraft.com/Rafting/gauleyseason.html Every fall in West Virginia (no jokes please) the dam on the Gauley River is released, creating incredible whitewater rafting conditions. I have been a couple of times, and let me tell you, it is truly amazing, and the scenery is beautiful as well. The company that I have gone with in the past is Ace Whitewater. They have professional and safety conscious rafting guides and good campgrounds. The plan would be to drive up on a Friday afternoon (it takes about 4hrs), raft on Saturday, and come home on Sunday. The rafting cost is about $100 (it could be less if we can get 14 or more people in our group), and camping is $8 per night. In the past, we've packed lunch and breakfast, and eaten dinner in the lodge after rafting (you'll be too tired to cook for yourself). Oh, and don't forget the brew...it's a party at night! So we're looking at about $120 for the weekend...not bad. The trips are from Sept. 10th through Oct. 17th. Sooner is better, because it starts to get a bit chilly up there (bring or rent a wet suit at Ace), so please let me know if you're interested so I can get the ball rolling. As far as skill, you need to know how to swim, and have a little (sometimes a lot of) courage. It would be a great time! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:32:49 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:27:48 -0400 To: Chris Norloff From: Troutman Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:08 AM 8/2/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome I think I am gonna be sick. Get me something to be sick in. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:34:53 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:33:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Quick shout out... Content-Disposition: inline Speaking of that, I see a woman on a cruiser-type motorcycle in the mornings on Route 7 near Tysons... I always wave, you wave back... On this list (?) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 11:46:21 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:46:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: DC Sport bike guys.... Did you all know they have a real home page...not just a Yahoo site? http://www.dcsportbike.com/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 12:10:12 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point question ??? Actually, I asked one of the corner workers about this on Sun. It was reported to me that at the last CCS event, some spectators had been drinking excessivly and had actually thrown something ONTO THE TRACK between the races. The officials blocked off access to the area after the incident. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 12:25:54 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Summit Point question ??? Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:23:24 -0700 Sheesh, deserves to be blocked off for that..... deserves more too actually. Brian > Actually, I asked one of the corner workers about this on Sun. It was > reported to me that at the last CCS event, some spectators had been > drinking excessivly and had actually thrown something ONTO THE TRACK > between the races. The officials blocked off access to the > area after the > incident. > > - Brian Roach > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 12:27:25 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:29:52 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Summit Point question ??? To: Brian Roach Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Well, as always a few people F@#$k it up for everyone. Damn, there go my good pictures! > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:10 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Summit Point question ??? > > > > Actually, I asked one of the corner workers about this on Sun. It was > reported to me that at the last CCS event, some spectators had been > drinking excessivly and had actually thrown something ONTO THE TRACK > between the races. The officials blocked off access to the area after the > incident. > > - Brian Roach > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 12:53:28 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:54:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome To: Troutman Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've got a Harley half-helmet if you want! Mark To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Date: 08/02/99 03:27:48 PM GMT Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome At 11:08 AM 8/2/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome I think I am gonna be sick. Get me something to be sick in. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 13:21:41 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:17:38 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Summit Point question ??? To: Gary Foreman , Brian Roach Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Not necessarily. Find the person with the two way mic/radio (corner captain) and ask him/her nicely if you can hang out in the tub to get some pictures. Explain you won't get in the way and your chances are good they'll let you. I've never turned anyone down if they're cool about it. Some other things that might get you noticed at track side: - Encroaching on the berms (I don't say anything unless there are more than three people conglomerating). - Wearing a Yellow/RED t-shirt/jacket (You will be asked to remove it, or move away) - General asshole behaviour (never witnessed this. Most people are cool) Overall, I agree with you. This seems like a little over-reaction to an isolated event. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:30 PM > To: Brian Roach > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Summit Point question ??? > > > Well, as always a few people F@#$k it up for everyone. Damn, there go my > good pictures! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:10 PM > > To: dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Summit Point question ??? > > > > > > > > Actually, I asked one of the corner workers about this on Sun. It was > > reported to me that at the last CCS event, some spectators had been > > drinking excessivly and had actually thrown something ONTO THE TRACK > > between the races. The officials blocked off access to the area > after the > > incident. > > > > - Brian Roach > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 13:46:55 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:46:00 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:54 AM 8/2/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >I've got a Harley half-helmet if you want! > >>MT wrote: >>I think I am gonna be sick. Get me something to be sick in. For you Kubrick fans out there, that was one of Alex's lines from Clockwork Orange ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:19:53 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Sportbile To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mike: This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since I detect a bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with these guys. Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who love bikes and city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how many among us can say we never ride that way? Everytime I have come across them in DC (usually around U Street) they have been nothing but nice. They even complemented my 91 VFR, even though their bikes could easily smoke mine. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:21:35 1999 From: "Rist, Todd" To: "'Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX'" , Tom Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Quick shout out... Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:19:46 -0400 What type of cruiser? A burgundy and white shadow? with saddlebags? If so that is my wife! Thank you, Todd Rist -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX [mailto:Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 11:33 AM To: Tom Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Quick shout out... Speaking of that, I see a woman on a cruiser-type motorcycle in the mornings on Route 7 near Tysons... I always wave, you wave back... On this list (?) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:22:14 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:20:42 EDT Subject: Re: Quick shout out... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX while we're on the subject.... :D I saw a guy on a cruiser type bike on Capitol Hill about 4 days ago, you pulled up behind me at the corner of 11th and Pennsylvania SE.... me on a dark green CB-1. Anybody? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:24:13 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:23:30 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC Sportbile Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:09 PM 8/2/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Mike: > >This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since I detect a >bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with these guys. >Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who love bikes and >city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how many among us can say >we never ride that way? I'm not sure exacly what you found sarcastic about my post....since it said... "Did you all know they have a real home page...not just a Yahoo site?" It was not negative or positive either way. I'm happy for anyone on two wheels. Perhaps you are reading too much into it? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:26:00 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:10:16 -0700 is it Chromed? How about horns? Is there a squeekers attached to it? Brian > -----Original Message----- > > I've got a Harley half-helmet if you want! > > At 11:08 AM 8/2/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: > >The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome > > I think I am gonna be sick. Get me something to be sick in. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:36:31 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Sportbile Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:33:27 -0400 Go to their webpage (the one on Yahoo) and read the postings. Its self explanatory. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 1:09 PM To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sportbile Mike: This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since I detect a bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with these guys. Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who love bikes and city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how many among us can say we never ride that way? Everytime I have come across them in DC (usually around U Street) they have been nothing but nice. They even complemented my 91 VFR, even though their bikes could easily smoke mine. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 14:43:36 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:42:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: DC Sportbike & dc-cycles website At 02:33 PM 8/2/99 , Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: >Go to their webpage (the one on Yahoo) and read the postings. Its self >explanatory. I just noticed that I mis-spelled sportbike on the subject line, and typed sportbile. That may have been cause for the confusion. That was an honest typo....pretty funny..... By the way..... Is everyone still aware of the dc-cycles Yahoo group? I don't see a lot of postings there these days. Hopefully thats because we are all out riding ;-) And whats going on with the new dc-cycles homepage? Anyone have a URL I can look at? I used to do a lot of web work, and I am happy to help anywhere we need help.... Dropping my '97 VFR off for 16k service Thursday night. Should get it back Friday for weekend rides. Anything planned? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 15:03:19 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles I have to agree, that poor chap, probably should have left himself more following distance. Worrying about cars trying to get in front of you is NOT a good reason to reduce your space cushion. If a car gets in front, just put a cushion in front of that car. It's better to yeild than to reduce space cushion and reaction time. It's likely to be just one car anyway. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > At 04:42 AM 7/31/99 , David Cross wrote: > > >>. He > > >> was then hit > > >> by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the > traffic lane. > > > From the sound of it, the best thing he could have > done was not tailgate > the car he hit-- > "> The car pulled out in front of a 1998 Plymouth > Neon. The 1989 Honda > > motorcycle struck the rear of the Neon and the > motorcyclist was > > thrown over the Jersey barrier into the > left-hand lane of I-395 proper. He > > was then hit by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he > lay in the traffic lane." > > I know it's hard not to tailgate -- if you leave > appropriate following > distance, cars will often fill the space in front of > you. The only things > I think you can do are-- > > 1. Watch even farther ahead, > 2. Stay to one side or another so you can go between > cars if you can't stop > (this also protects you from tailgaters) > 3. Switch lanes if possible to avoid an upcoming > hazard (car on the side of > the road might pull out into traffic). > > best wishes to the hurt rider, > Chris Norloff > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 15:10:36 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Life and Death of a CBR, a hit-and-run incident To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd like to see their car burned in a huge huge fire.. A person who comes barrelling over a hill and 2 feet over the center line doesn't deserve to drive, or own a car. I won't wish any harm on the idiot, because that might be bad karma.. on second thought, i'd like to see the car seized and donated to charity. Too bad I'm not a law maker.. i'd make that an immediate penalty for hit and run, forfeiture of auto.. plus whatever other penalties.. hopefully those type of people will be driving thier own car, so it could be seized.. --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Real sorry to hear about your accident. > How someone could hit you and just drive off is > beyond me, but I hope they get > theirs! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > "People suck" > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 15:19:40 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: DC Sportbile To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I knew about it. I see they like to race really fast. I also see how they believe in organised controlled rides and not just a biker free for all. Also a few of them are religious, and they seem to look out for each other. So seeing how they don't hurt anyone else, I don't have a problem with them. I wouldn't mind watching the races, or going on an organised ride. --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Mike: > > This is the second time you have posted about this > group. Since I detect a > bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a > problem with these guys. > Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who > love bikes and > city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how > many among us can say > we never ride that way? > > Everytime I have come across them in DC (usually > around U Street) they have > been nothing but nice. They even complemented my 91 > VFR, even though their > bikes could easily smoke mine. > > Mark > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the > person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination > or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this > information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is > prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete > the material from any > computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 16:02:00 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:47:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Listserv lagging.... Anyone notice that is takes 15-20 minutes for messages to get out to the list? The VFR list I am on (several hundred users) mails out distributions within a minute or so. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 16:31:47 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles --- ImTheMan ITM wrote: > Worrying about cars trying to get in front of you > is NOT a good reason to reduce your space cushion. > If a car gets in front, just put a cushion in front > of that car. It's better to yeild than to reduce > space cushion and reaction time. It's likely to > be just one car anyway. Just what I was thinking. Besides... if you have to drop back to keep a safe distance... that just means you'll get where you're going a minute later... and spend a little more time riding. (It's a good rationale to tell yourself as it's happening, anyway.) === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 16:38:58 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 99 16:33:32 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Weekend ride(semi-HSTA), all welcome To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just a reminder, I'm doing my second NoVa HSTA ride this weekend, going to be starting in manassas and working around north western VA at this point, though I may modify that. Looks like good roads, I'll be double checking my route tomorrow to make sure. Leaving from the Manassas Old COuntry buffet at 9:30 Sharp on saturday(66 to 234 business south, OCB is in a shopping center on the left with a Giant). Meet for breakfast at 8:30. I'm aiming for a late lunch in front royal at 1-2. Any suggestions for lunch spot? Thanks, drop me a line if interested or you have any questions, and hope to see people there. Oh, for the guys I hijacked on my last ride, this one won't be as long, honest. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/2/99 HSTA/AMA 4:33:32 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 16:41:09 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:26:39 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Listserv lagging.... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:47:53 -0400 >Anyone notice that is takes 15-20 minutes for messages to get out to >the list? As far as I know, it's always been this way. That's why I tend to include the author (as well as the list) in my reply headers. You end up seeing the message twice, but you get the first one quicker than everyone else. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 17:18:45 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:16:22 EDT Subject: Re: DC Sportbile To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/2/99 2:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since I detect a bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with these guys. >> A few of us (DC Cycles Maryland contingent) went to see the wheelie fest in DC, the tires were pretty square but the fellows we talked to were quite friendly. Don't think I'd want to race them in a straight line, I bet they can launch those things pretty well, and yes they gave the thumbs up to my ZX-9R. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 17:31:45 1999 From: "George Howell" To: , "Troutman" Cc: Subject: RE: DC Sportbile Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:16:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > This is the second time you have posted about this group. Since > I detect a > bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem with > these guys. > Why? It seems like its just a group of guys who love bikes and > city-riding. Sure, some of them are squids, but how many among us can say > we never ride that way? I can't speak for mike, but it seems that these guys are more than occasional squids. For them, it seems to be a full time job. That sort of behaviour gets us banned almost as quickly as slash-cut pipes. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 17:32:58 1999 From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:38:07 -0400 Well folks, I look at it this way. Some people spend hundreds to buy H-D apparel becoming wanna-be bikers. I spent a couple hundred to buy and restore my dear ol' Seca. I would rather drive my ratty-looking Yamahopper than wear nifty clothes pretending to be a biker with the H-D bumper sticker on a Toyota or Nissan mini-van. Love to ride, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:04:02 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:00:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Michael Jay CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome But ... H-D stock has equaled the preformance of Intel in the past decade. The "Motor Clothes" (H-D) craze nets H-D a ton of $$$, no doubt. It's all in the marketing, and H-D kicks butt in image making. Like who would want a Yamahopper bumper sticker? And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? Just stirring the muck a bit :-) Bill Huson Gone but not forgotten - Kawi 90, Kawi 250 triple, Yamaha DT125, Honda CL350, Suzuki 550E, Yamaha FZR700. Still thumping down the road `93 H-D FLHS Michael Jay wrote: > Well folks, > > I look at it this way. > > Some people spend hundreds to buy H-D apparel becoming wanna-be bikers. > > I spent a couple hundred to buy and restore my dear ol' Seca. > > I would rather drive my ratty-looking Yamahopper than wear nifty clothes > pretending > to be a biker with the H-D bumper sticker on a Toyota or Nissan mini-van. > > Love to ride, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:07:35 1999 From: "Jon Schumer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Listserv lagging.... Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:06:10 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Anyone notice that is takes 15-20 minutes for messages to get out to the > list? The VFR list I am on (several hundred users) mails out distributions > within a minute or so. > Mike Troutman Mike, try sending to dc-cycles@XXXXXX Danny Thompson and I "experimented" and found it pretty fast.... Jon ICQ# 11193913 88' HawkGT 92' FZR600 http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:16:54 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:15:26 -0400 To: sv650@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: tbr pipe Got the TBR pipe mounted up, and took her for a spin... and all I can say is DAMN this sucker is loud. At least now I'll be able to hear the bike when I'm out riding with all you squids:) FWIW, the jetting seems fine... haven't noticed a power diff, but I've been concentrating on the sound:) ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:31:41 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:30:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: test test - it is now 6:30PM EST ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 18:58:43 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:52:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Grant Heffernan CC: sv650@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: tbr pipe I'm curious - what is a "TBR" pipe, and what did you put it on? FWIW - if it can't breath in, then a pipe is just noise. Hi-flow air cleaner? Bill Grant Heffernan wrote: > Got the TBR pipe mounted up, and took her for a spin... and all I can say > is DAMN this sucker is loud. > At least now I'll be able to hear the bike when I'm out riding with all you > squids:) > FWIW, the jetting seems fine... haven't noticed a power diff, but I've been > concentrating on the sound:) > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 19:02:14 1999 From: Michael Jay To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:06:56 -0400 Bill Huson stirs (with gleeful mischief): >But ... H-D stock has equaled the preformance of Intel in the past decade. Yes, but I want to ride a bike as well as the market. Likely, one share costs more than my used-bike purchase price. And I can ride today, weeeee!!! >The "Motor Clothes" (H-D) craze nets H-D a ton of $$$, no doubt. It's all in >the marketing, and H-D kicks butt in image making. Yes, but how much torque can anyone get from a T-shirt? >Like who would want a Yamahopper bumper sticker? I have no idea, but my Fords have UAW stickers from the Wayne Stamping and Assembly Plant rather than me having a H-D sticker on some import cage. >And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with >a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? No, but any "hottie biker chick" is all yours. Enjoy. I have always been a rather fashion-lacking guy especially with respect to all the biker apparel goodies. Image can't make me "The Breeze." Or, as is more current: "I want to get away, I want to get away, I want to fly, yeah." Hey, speakin' of which, time to work that in-line 4 engine o' mine. Yippee!! Perfect riding weather. Love to ride, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 19:26:00 1999 To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Listserv lagging.... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:26:00 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Anyone notice that is takes 15-20 minutes for messages to get out to the >list? The VFR list I am on (several hundred users) mails out distributions >within a minute or so. This could be described as a feature. When a spirited argument over the perils of helmet wearing breaks out, a good delivery lag time helps to slow things down. :) When a new message is posted, software delivers a copy of the message to each recipient in the subscriber list sequentially (mostly, people whose email goes to the same mail server are bundled together so that only one copy of the message need be sent). Walking down the subscriber list can take time, particularly when some mail servers respond slowly, or must be timed out as unreachable. So people at the top of the subscriber list see almost immediate response, while those near the bottom won't get the message for 10-15 minutes or so. Since the subscriber list is maintained in the order in which people subscribed, subscribers with tenure are favored, so at least it isn't wholly arbitrary. Just stay on the list for a few years, and the messages gradually reach you faster and faster. :) The dc-cycles list has about 230 people on it now. This is still a small mailing list (relative to less small ones), but is big enough to require software specialized to handle large mailing lists. In particular, a long list of email subscribers shouldn't be processed purely sequentially, you can improve latency by delivering messages to multiple mail servers in parallel. I'll look into setting up smarter list delivery software, this should improve the response time somewhat (at the risk of accelerating the pace of silly arguments). BTW, the correct address to which postings should be sent is 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'. If you send to either of the old cs.umd.edu or umiacs.umd.edu addresses, you're just slowing things down further, as the message now needs to push through the mail systems at UMD, which forward your message to the right place. Sending to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' is pretty much the same as 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX', as Meretrix Technologies' global headquarters is co-located with the dc-cycles global computing super-pop. -harry From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 21:18:28 1999 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:26:25 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: dc-cycles CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: cnorloff@XXXXXX > From the sound of it, the best thing he could have done was not tailgate > the car he hit-- > I know it's hard not to tailgate -- if you leave appropriate following > distance, cars will often fill the space in front of you. The only things > I think you can do are-- > 1. Watch even farther ahead, > 2. Stay to one side or another so you can go between cars if you can't stop > (this also protects you from tailgaters) > 3. Switch lanes if possible to avoid an upcoming hazard (car on the side of > the road might pull out into traffic). I think there is one pithy idea that can be crystallized from Chris's sensible remarks: maximize your air cushion. I might be wrong, but isn't this a drivers'-ed (cage) notion? I cringe every time I see a biker following a cage too closely. I'm not that trusting I guess... > best wishes to the hurt rider, Indeed. Anyone know where he's hospitalized or what his name is? Might be a nice idea to indicate others are thinking of him. JK From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 22:25:21 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:23:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Though we don't know all the "hadda be there's" it's good to get the wake up call, Chris. I also wish the rider best. Hmmmm. Isn't this the second leaving-the-scener in the last few days? The other Kirt Senser in Maryland? Is this ". . .No Respect" season for local bikers? Cager + heat = animal? Oh, what's to be done? Dye packs that rupture? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> I want wings for those situations Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: DC-Cycles Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist >At 04:42 AM 7/31/99 , David Cross wrote: >> >>. He >> >> was then hit >> >> by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane. > > > From the sound of it, the best thing he could have done was not tailgate >the car he hit-- >"> The car pulled out in front of a 1998 Plymouth Neon. The 1989 Honda > > motorcycle struck the rear of the Neon and the motorcyclist was > > thrown over the Jersey barrier into the left-hand lane of I-395 proper. He > > was then hit by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane." > >I know it's hard not to tailgate -- if you leave appropriate following >distance, cars will often fill the space in front of you. The only things >I think you can do are-- > >1. Watch even farther ahead, >2. Stay to one side or another so you can go between cars if you can't stop >(this also protects you from tailgaters) >3. Switch lanes if possible to avoid an upcoming hazard (car on the side of >the road might pull out into traffic). > >best wishes to the hurt rider, >Chris Norloff > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 22:59:22 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:58:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Non-MC Related - Seeking roommate Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but another MC rider would make a good roomie. I have a 3 lvl townhouse in Centreville with two master bedrooms, one is for rent. $375/month plus 1/2 utilities (about $150/month). Located between 66, 29, 28, Braddock and Stone Road. Room available September 1st. Includes fireplace, close parks, reserved parking, on-street guest parking (very close), walking distance to shopping, furnished basement, on-site washer/dryer, etc. Email off-list if interested. Thanks. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 23:43:19 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: Trunks on '98 - '99 VFR's Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:44:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I remember at least one lister that has a trunk on his VFR. It also serves as a passenger backrest. I am looking into getting one for mine, hopefully before the trip to Pocono. Any information about the brand, where to find them and how they are installed would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 2 23:56:22 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:52:24 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:00:12 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >Like who would want a >Yamahopper bumper sticker? And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with >a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? >Just stirring the muck a bit :-) Them rice riders do plenty of strange things,though. They block their vision and hearing with goofy full-face helmets,then ride around with pipes so quiet they need to use their horns to announce their presence. They take the chance of flipping the bike by using the front brake. They run synthetic oil w/out Slick 50 or Prolong(they don't even use Splitfires). They don't even ride with guns. (Did I miss anything? ;-}) It's good to be back. Anyone need any sand? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 00:10:48 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: , Subject: Pocono races Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:12:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 For those who are interested, this is the basic info for going up and lodging that I have come up with. I recommend that you get your rooms soon, many of the accomodations are full. Leaving No VA area Friday August 27th about 10:00 a.m. (Meeting point undecided as yet. Probably several along the route at certain times). Friday night my wife and I are staying at t little bed and breakfast (full as of Sat. 7/31), Saturday night staying at the Hill Motor Lodge at the intersection of I80 and Rt. 715 (exit 45) cost $60.00 / night. This sounded like a decent place and they were very accomodating over the phone. Other possibilities copy this line into your browser address location: http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypResults.py?Pyt=Typ&YY=16084&city=Long%20Pond&state= PA&zip=18334&slt=&sln=&cs=&stp=y&stx=7737307&btype=default all one line, no spaces. Return Sunday after the races. The route up is something like this: Rt. 15 N. out of Warrenton through Leesburg, through Frederick, MD, to Harrisburg, PA area. Out of Harrisburg on Rt. 11 N. to Millersburg to Rt. 209 E. to Rt 115 N. past the racetrack to I80. Or something like that. I still have not gotten any good maps out to be sure. (especially about getting across the river from Harrisburg to Millersburg) Any questions or comments let me know. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 05:28:42 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:28:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Welcome back, Gil. Any good stories? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Gil Nissley It's good to be back. Anyone need any sand? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 06:52:05 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Bill Huson'" , Michael Jay Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:49:21 -0400 Sorry, but I've never seen a hottie biker chick with ANY bike tattoos on them. Glenn >But ... H-D stock has equaled the preformance of Intel in the past decade. >The "Motor Clothes" (H-D) craze nets H-D a ton of $$$, no doubt. It's all in >the marketing, and H-D kicks butt in image making. Like who would want a >Yamahopper bumper sticker? And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with >a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? >Just stirring the muck a bit :-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 07:29:29 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Question about shop towels To: DC-Cycles Since you folks did a great job yesterday answering my question about Mt. Washington (and thanks to all of you who did answer!) I have another question for you. When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels that I pick up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels once, then toss them. So I tried running them through the washing machine (just the towels, not with my clothes!) with my regular detergent (Tide I think...). They came out with grease and dirt still in them. Is there a way to successfully clean them? Anything that will really get the grease and grime out, or am I just supposed to send them off to a land fill? Thanks, Louis _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:10:34 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:53:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome At 06:00 PM 8/2/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >Like who would want a >Yamahopper bumper sticker? Why would a real biker want to advertise that he wasn't riding? >And do tell - ever seen a hottie biker chick with >a (Suzuki/Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki) tattoo? Well, I guess that depends on how you define "hot". Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:10:34 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:44:44 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM , DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist At 03:02 PM 8/2/99 , ImTheMan ITM (who goes nameless) wrote: >Worrying about cars trying to get in front of you >is NOT a good reason to reduce your space cushion. >If a car gets in front, just put a cushion in front >of that car. It's better to yeild than to reduce > space cushion and reaction time. It's likely to >be just one car anyway. How do you figure it would be only one car? The discussion is about keeping a good following distance in traffic, specifically DC rush hour traffic. At 60mph you should have at least 180 ft. following distance (2 second minimum following distance at 88 ft./sec (60 mph). In my 4 years of commuting into DC by motorcycle, year round, I regularly see people following at only 10-15 ft. That means you could put 6 cars in 180 ft., and given the traffic density and speed, this happens. Slowing down to increase following distance whenever a car pulls in front doesn't always work, because then you just endanger yourself from tailgaters behind you. If I can, I always adjust speed (and position) to get good following distance. The question is what to do if you can't do that. Also, how about using your name here? This "ImTheMan" business is okay on AOL, but this is not AOL. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:24:59 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:21:52 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Question about shop towels To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Actually, I'd like a good answer too. But as I sit here thinking about it, maybe just let them soak in warm/hot water heavy on the detergent before actually cycling through a wash. If need be, do it again. Of course now your sending highly detergent water, laced with motor oils and other chemicals through the sewer systems and into our water supply! DAmn. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > > When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels > that I pick > up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more > environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels > once, then > toss them. So I tried running them through the washing machine (just the > towels, not with my clothes!) with my regular detergent (Tide I > think...). > They came out with grease and dirt still in them. Is there a way to > successfully clean them? Anything that will really get the > grease and grime > out, or am I just supposed to send them off to a land fill? > > Thanks, > > Louis > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:46:00 1999 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:43:46 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Question about shop towels To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , DC-Cycles Dale is yet a master at this too :) Since he grabs any old towels out of the linen closet, we have the same problem. The best thing to get any spots out, grease or otherwise, is to use hand cleaner. Not the orange stuff but the really smelly white gunk. Does a great job. Also if the towels are white, you can use a product called Iron Out. It's mainly used to get rust stains out of toliets or tubs but does wonders on whites too. Also, afterwards to avoid the lint from the towels, line dry them - no machine dry. > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 7:30 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Question about shop towels > > > Since you folks did a great job yesterday answering my question about Mt. > Washington (and thanks to all of you who did answer!) I have another > question > for you. > > When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels that I > pick > up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more > environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels once, > then > toss them. So I tried running them through the washing machine (just the > towels, not with my clothes!) with my regular detergent (Tide I think...). > > They came out with grease and dirt still in them. Is there a way to > successfully clean them? Anything that will really get the grease and > grime > out, or am I just supposed to send them off to a land fill? > > Thanks, > > Louis > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:46:13 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Question about shop towels On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Actually, I'd like a good answer too. > > But as I sit here thinking about it, maybe just let them soak in warm/hot > water heavy on the detergent before actually cycling through a wash. If > need be, do it again. > > Of course now your sending highly detergent water, laced with motor oils and > other chemicals through the sewer systems and into our water supply! DAmn. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > > > When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels > > that I pick > > up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more > > environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels > > once, then Actually, the grease and crap from the shop towels will destroy your washing machine. A friend of mine worked as a mechanic at X-pert tune (dont ask, its like jiffy lube), and their shop was near a laundromat. One day he took a big wad of shop towels, threw them in a washer, and sat around. The lady who owned the laundromat takes at look at him (greasy and wearing a mechanic shirt) and asks "Those aren't shop towels, are they?" He's like "Yeah, they are." She gets all irate, bitching and yelling that now she has to replace the whole washer now, and that you can't get the grease and crap out of it ever again. I reccomend the little blue things that come in rolls. They suck compared to shop towels, but apparently you can never really get them shoppies clean. I have found a more ideal solution to getting car/bike grease off, however. I just invite 3-4 models over to my house for a nice relaxing sponge bath. By far the best way to go. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:47:06 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: RE: Re: Trunks on '98 - '99 VFR's Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:48:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sorry guys, I know about GIVI, I know I said 'brand' (thanks for the web address though), I was talking about the actual setup that the person / persons on the DC-cycles list has. Which model, what mount, how much $, from where. It was late, I was not clear, my bad. Still need the info though. :) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 > D. Thompson wrote: > > > I remember at least one lister that has a trunk on his VFR. It also serves > > as a passenger backrest. I am looking into getting one for mine, hopefully > > before the trip to Pocono. Any information about the brand, where to find > > them and how they are installed would be greatly appreciated. > > > > TIA, > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > > 1 Samuel 2:30 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:47:13 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:48:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-08/03/058l-080399-idx.html Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul In Moscow, Motorcycles Are a Mode of Expression By Daniel Williams Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, August 3, 1999; Page A01 MOSCOW, Aug. 2=97As if motoring in Moscow weren't already harrowing -- with high-speed cars weaving across lanes, drunken pedestrians shuffling into traffic, freelance taxis jockeying for fares and bribe-hungry police preying on law-abiding drivers -- witness the capital's latest craze: swarms of motorcyclists buzzing about hornet-like on Moscow's massive boulevards. Motorcycling is the latest fashion to hit the city, following hard upon Rollerblading, hot dog vending and mafia shootouts. Cycle stores report a spike in sales, and bike clubs are recruiting a broad band of new members. The Soviet Union once had urban bikers, too, but they were considered outlaws. Almost anyone riding for fun was considered a potential subversive. Riding in groups was cause for a police investigation. Bikers regarded themselves as fast-moving dissidents; they got kicks out of cruising the city late at night, running red lights and knocking nightsticks out of policemen's hands. They were notorious for brawling at rock concerts. Today, it is the Russian establishment that is engaged in uproarious high jinks, from public drunkenness to breathtaking larceny. Bikers, by contrast, have gone legit. If anything, they think of themselves as upholders of Russian ideals. "It was interesting before -- recklessness as a form of struggle. We had to look different, act different as a way to feel free. Now it's not necessary. What's the excitement from running red lights? Everybody's doing it," said Aleksander Zaldastanov, leader of a cycle club called the Night Wolves. Other clubs in town go by such names as the Cossacks, the Skulls and Into the Night. Zaldastanov prefers to use his nickname, Surgeon; he's a physician. He says he was drawn to biking by contact with injured cyclists he treated in the late 1980s. Back then, bikers were called Rockers. Now the categories are more complex: Cruisers, who ride choppers with extended front forks, low exhaust pipes and raindrop-shaped gas tanks; Streetbikers, who zip around on Japanese sports models; Crossers, who are off-road enthusiasts. Surgeon, a muscular fellow who wears a snakeskin vest, an array of alligator wrist bands, skull-shaped rings and lightning bolt tattoos, said the Night Wolves want to be the vanguard of a new, responsible Russia. His group promotes Russian-made bikes, although many of his members ride concoctions that include foreign parts. "A great power should not only have an army, but its own motorbike," Surgeon said. Moscow would seem an unlikely place for motorcycle riding to prosper. Winter takes a big bite out of bike time. Only from May to early November is the weather likely to be free enough of snow or rain for much open-air traveling -- and even then, the climate is unpredictable. No matter. When Muscovites take to something, they take to it big, slick streets be damned. "We're very much attached to self-expression. And for most Russian riders, bikes aren't transportation, they're a reflection of the soul. For fun, it beats drinking," said Andrei Badaev, a slender, 21-year-old motorcycle salesman who cruises in a battered Izh, a standby brand of the Soviet era. His bike is out of commission for the moment; he took a spill the other day on a slippery, potholed street. His girlfriend resolutely refuses to ride with him. During the late Soviet years, motorcycling for most riders was hardly recreational; it was mainly the preserve of the army, the police and farmers. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, cycle production declined, as did just about every other industrial activity. Annual sales fell quickly from a peak of about 2 million at the beginning of the decade to 600,000, then a steeper slide leveled off at about 60,000 in 1997. The new rich of Russia turned to foreign brands, such as Honda and Suzuki. With agriculture in a deep depression, farmers practically stopped buying. In the 1980s, the Uralmoto motorcycle firm, a popular Soviet manufacturer, sold about 130,000 bikes a year, many with sidecars so that state farm workers could ferry produce from field to warehouse. Last year, Uralmoto sold 7,000 and hopes to double that this year. This spring, the factory turned out a new model, the Wolf -- black and shiny, with aerodynamic lines. "This bike is for anything but hauling potatoes," said Ilya Burlyakov, the Uralmoto sales representative in Moscow. Unsurprisingly, the ad slogan for the Wolf is "Leader of the Pack." Salesmen say customers fit into two categories -- the office worker and the thrill seeker. The former regards the maneuverability of a bike as a way to beat Moscow's wall-to-wall rush-hour traffic and its small size as a way to overcome the city's tight parking situation. The latter seeks, in the words of young Badaev, "to pull up to a corner, have everyone admire his tan legs and think he's cool." Sometimes, the two types converge. "You see these businessmen shedding their suits for weird black leather jackets or those jazzed-up, colorful sport bike outfits. You can tell they're not doing this just for convenience," said Faris Obaidi, an Iraqi Russian who sells American-made Harley-Davidson bikes. Zaldastanov, a k a Surgeon, said he regards motorcycle clubs as repositories of Russia's lost communal values. "Bikes are a symbol which unites us. That's what I think people see in motorcycles today. Real bikers ride in groups. It's a counter to mindless individualism. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but people long to be together, drink vodka under a tree, be happy," he said. To that end, Surgeon is organizing a cycle jamboree on Aug. 20. One such festival included medieval-style jousting by bike-borne contestants; a death-defying exhibition in which stunt men set themselves afire while atop motorbikes whirling inside a metal sphere; strippers; modern dancers; and demolition derbies. A commercial video of the event bore the warning, "Piracy can be harmful to your health." "You see, there's no happy medium in Russia," Surgeon said. "We either go all the way or do nothing." =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 08:56:40 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: DC Sportbike Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:56:27 -0700 They've representation in the road-race crowd too.. Will on a TLR has been to several races at a couple tracks - nice guy. His tires were definatally not squared off either.. heh. The group seems to be, more or less, just like us - only their main thing is drag-racing, ours is touring? a couple small differences asside, I'd bet we'd mesh well. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 8/2/99 2:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > << This is the second time you have posted about this group. > Since I detect a > bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem > with these guys. > >> > A few of us (DC Cycles Maryland contingent) went to see the > wheelie fest in > DC, the tires were pretty square but the fellows we talked to > were quite > friendly. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:31:20 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:28:35 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Let me be the first to say, "Thank God for the U.S.A!". I could never hack Russia. Thanks for the post Chris. The paragraph below made me LOL and just shake my head. That old communal feeling comes shining right through. Todd (happy to be mindless) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Zaldastanov, a k a Surgeon, said he regards motorcycle clubs as > repositories of Russia's lost communal values. "Bikes are a symbol > which unites us. That's what I think people see in motorcycles today. > Real bikers ride in groups. It's a counter to mindless individualism. > Maybe it's just nostalgia, but people long to be together, drink vodka > under a tree, be happy," he said. > > "You see, there's no happy medium in Russia," Surgeon said. "We > either go all the way or do nothing." > I wonder what "Real Bikers" do about all those mindless individuals. If any of this artical can be taken seriously, my guess would be they'd do "Everything, or nothing at all". Thank GOD for the U.S.A.!!! Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:32:51 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:29:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Lisa S. Goddard" Subject: Anyone? Does anyone on this list know who rides the red and white Moto Guzzi with Nebraska plates that is parked in Bethesda this morning? Lisa Goddard, MIS Specialist Kivex.com, an Alleginace Telecom company Unlock the power of the Internet! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:35:35 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:31:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Question about shop towels X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3 X-Juno-Att: 0 From: Louis E Tweed Cut the grease with an ammonia soak before washing. Soak the rags in a 5 gallon bucket (with a lid) with a heavy ammonia solution for a couple hours and then wash the rags as you would anything else. Louis ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:50:05 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:47:52 -0400 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul At 09:28 AM 8/3/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Let me be the first to say, "Thank God for the U.S.A!". I could never hack >Russia. > >Thanks for the post Chris. The paragraph below made me LOL and just shake >my head. That old communal feeling comes shining right through. > >Todd (happy to be mindless) I find it interesting that the Russian bikers started out as the outcasts, and now consider themselves the upholders of their country's values -- that seems to parallel Harley bikers in this country. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 09:57:26 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX While we're doing the "was that you?"s, if anyone out there is one of the two women hanging a left from Washington Boulevard onto N. Pershing in Arlington at about 9 last night, hello -- I was the guy at the light on the CX500... --- "Lisa S. Goddard" wrote: > Does anyone on this list know who rides the red and > white Moto Guzzi with > Nebraska plates that is parked in Bethesda this > morning? === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 10:03:19 1999 From: rbernie@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:03:09 -0400 (EDT) To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question about shop towels At 04:29 AM 8/3/99 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >When I clean my bike, I use Honda Cleaner with terry cloth towels that I pick >up in bulk at BJs or Costco. Lately I've been trying to be more >environmentally sensitive. It seems a waste to use these towels once, then >toss them. So I tried running them through the washing machine (just the >towels, not with my clothes!) with my regular detergent (Tide I think...). >They came out with grease and dirt still in them. Is there a way to >successfully clean them? Anything that will really get the grease and grime >out, or am I just supposed to send them off to a land fill? Run 'em thru the washer with lots of Simple Green and the wash water on HOT. Don't let the washer hit the rinse cycle, else the cold water will help set the stains - stop it at the end of the wash cycle and restart. Do this about 4-5 times, and the rags *and* the washer will be squeaky clean.... Sometimes if the rags have a lot of oil in them, you'll get an oil ring around the top of the wash tub. Use the Simple Green and wash this off between rag wash cycles. FWIW, I do not wash rags which have moly grease on them or are really oil saturated - they're too far gone to reuse, usually. As much as I hate to do it, I still use the blue disposable shop paper towels for the really greasy/oily jobs.. HTH, -- Richard Bernecker rbernie@XXXXXX -- ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 10:14:48 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Vrooom! The Unmuffled Cry of the Russian Soul To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Norloff wrote: > I find it interesting that the Russian bikers > started out as the outcasts, > and now consider themselves the upholders of their > country's values -- that > seems to parallel Harley bikers in this country. I dunno... do they think of themselves that way? I always get the impression that the Harley thing is (for a certain group, not for all Harley riders!) a way to try to NOT uphold values for a little part of the day, probably as a reaction to being mainstream successful the rest of the time. And I wonder what, say, a French Harley rider thinks of it all. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 10:31:12 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:16:47 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome Gil wrote: >It's good to be back. Anyone need any sand? Welcome back, Dude! Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:20:36 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles --- Chris Norloff wrote: > At 03:02 PM 8/2/99 , ImTheMan ITM (who goes > nameless) wrote: > >Worrying about cars trying to get in front of you > >is NOT a good reason to reduce your space cushion. > >If a car gets in front, just put a cushion in front > >of that car. It's better to yeild than to reduce > > space cushion and reaction time. It's likely to > >be just one car anyway. > > > How do you figure it would be only one car? The > discussion is about > keeping a good following distance in traffic, > specifically DC rush hour > traffic. At 60mph you should have at least 180 ft. > following distance (2 > second minimum following distance at 88 ft./sec (60 > mph). In my 4 years of > commuting into DC by motorcycle, year round, I > regularly see people > following at only 10-15 ft. That means you could > put 6 cars in 180 ft., > and given the traffic density and speed, this > happens. > > Slowing down to increase following distance whenever > a car pulls in front > doesn't always work, because then you just endanger > yourself from > tailgaters behind you. > > If I can, I always adjust speed (and position) to > get good following > distance. The question is what to do if you can't > do that. > > Also, how about using your name here? This > "ImTheMan" business is okay on > AOL, but this is not AOL. > > Chris Norloff Well you drive how you want to drive. I personally won't use my body and bike as a barrier for other cars not to get in front of me. And I would slow down only to increase the cushion, then resume speeds at the flow of traffic. If rush hour traffic is 60 mph then I should have enough time/speed/distance to create a cushion, without hitting the brakes. I find that cars behind me see the car in front of me and probably realize why i'm so far back, because i'm on a bike. If cars pass me, they usually pass the car in front of me too. I usually follow the 3 second rule, and feel I have plenty of time to come to a stop if need be. That following distance isn't 180ft. I never saw anywhere that your following distance should be X many feet. I've always heard it should be in seconds. I usually find there is space for 2 maybe 3 cars in front of me, and I'm confident that I could come to a stop and not hit the car in front of me. Evidently you are too, as you follow closer than your "180 feet". And I'd rather slow down (not braking mind you) and have the car behind me tailgate for a second than reduce my reaction time and space cushion. That car is probably going to tailgate me anyway, no matter what the position of the car in front of me. Either it will slow down and not tailgate me, or I'll deal with that problem next, as it's secondary, as a risk, than reducing my reaction time. I believe far more accidents are caused from biker error than tailgating error. I only recall seeing stories of "car turns or stops in front of biker, biker hits it" rather than "tailgater hits biker". Most idiots who tailgate will also jam on their brakes if they get too close.. that's still better than not having enough reaction time. I'd rather have the guy behind me jamming on brakes than the guy in front of me, and not having time/space to deal with it. If it's more than one car, and all the drivers in the left lane are idiots, I'll go to another lane where I'm more comfortable. As far as using my name, I try to keep my information off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't even my primary email address. If someone needs to know my name, they will know it. Why do you need to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell me when it's okay or not to use an online nickname, I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. Like i said, drive how you want to drive. I generally recommend bikers to be yeilding, as we all know how vulnerable we are. - Ride safe. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:30:11 1999 X-Originating-IP: [198.76.254.211] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mt. Washington NH Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:29:35 EDT >Louis Caplan wrote: "Has anyone taken their bike or (gasp) car up on Mt. Washington (located in New Hampshire, near Maine)? I was there three weeks ago on my Concours. When you pay your fee at the bottom they will give you a nice sticker that says "This Bike Climbed Mt. Washington". My friend I was with is afraid of heights and there is a warning sign at the bottom. He said hey thats me they are talking about but he went up anyway. Shaking like a leaf at the top though.! The road is 8 mi. long. and the speed limit is 20 mph. You probably won't maintain 20 if there is any traffic. Figure maybe 30 min up and 30 min down and maybe an hour to look around at the top. The road is paved but narrow and there is a good but of dirt and small gravel in places, mostly from runoff. Lots of burning brakes from all the SUV's on vacation. On the Concours it was all 1st and 2nd gear with lots of 1st! On the way down the brakes are cool though because the engine compression braking will keep the speed down. Gear selection will regulate speed on the way down with little use of brakes. The Concours was pretty hot by the top of the mt. (this was on a warm day) Also do the "Kank" Kangamungus (SP?). Which runs E-W and is maybe 20 miles south of Mt. Washington. We camped at Pillsbury St. Park in SW NH and they include a pass to the beach at Lk. Sunipee for $12/ night. Pit toilets only but very pretty small lake and we got a site right on the water. Paul Gerhardt 86 Concours 96 FZR600 COG 1594 AMA Centreville, MD on the eastern shore. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:31:52 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:29 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "McCoy; Brian NAB02" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: DC Sportbike Cool! Drag racing! -Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: DC Sportbike Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy; Brian NAB02) Date: 08/03/1999 8:56 AM They've representation in the road-race crowd too.. Will on a TLR has been to several races at a couple tracks - nice guy. His tires were definatally not squared off either.. heh. The group seems to be, more or less, just like us - only their main thing is drag-racing, ours is touring? a couple small differences asside, I'd bet we'd mesh well. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 8/2/99 2:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > << This is the second time you have posted about this group. > Since I detect a > bit of sarcasm in your posts, I suspect you have a problem > with these guys. > >> > A few of us (DC Cycles Maryland contingent) went to see the > wheelie fest in > DC, the tires were pretty square but the fellows we talked to > were quite > friendly. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:55:41 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles --- ImTheMan ITM wrote: > As far as using my name, I try to keep my > information > off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't > even my primary email address. If someone needs to > know my name, they will know it. Why do you need > to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell > me when it's okay or not to use an online nickname, > I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. I totally understand the desire to guard one's privacy, but for what it's worth, I'll tell you my reaction to people on lists, newsgroups, etc. who use nicknames only -- it's really hard to take them seriously. I'm not going to say this is an entirely rational reaction, but it's real. I would liken it to being at a social event and talking to someone who says "Hi, I'm Bob" and somone who sits there with a mask on so you can't ID them. It does kind of inhibit development of any kind of relationship or community or whatever. Sometimes what they have to say is good and interesting enough to me that they start to register as real people, but more often I feel like I'm hearing from a fictional character. Obviously you are free to do whatever you want, but the reality is that some people will have a negative reaction to it. I have no desire to get into a big debate about whether this is good or fair; it's just reality, in my experience, and pretty understandable, in my opinion. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 11:56:31 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motor cyclist Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:51:49 -0700 Your belief may be correct.. but I'm living, walking (racing.. heh) proof that bikes can and DO get nailed from behind.. it happened to me back in March - NOT in DC, NOT in rush -hour, NOT on a weekday, NOT on a highway... but 9am on a Saturday morning on a sidestreet as I was returning home from the bank... Cost me a broken wrist (4 months to heal, including the surgery) and seperated right shoulder... We're all going to ride how WE feel comfortable and safe... me, I'm rather agressive and forcefull - I MAKE myself a known presence by getting alongside, or just in front of cars so they can hear my loudish pipe.. I use my horns (aftermarket FIAMMS) often, and usually flow 5~10mph faster than the 'flow' of traffic, and I have no qualms about using fists and feet to alert a BDC (no, not a backup domain controler you IT geeks) to my presence.... only a couple times in the past few years has that not worked. *shrug* my calculated and accepted risk. Brian McCoy (you want my info... screw it, the worst I'll get is junk-mail - and that's easy enough to bin... some people are to paranoid about what info is safe to relase to the world..) > -----Original Message----- > From: ImTheMan ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > I believe far more accidents are caused from biker error than > tailgating error. I only recall seeing stories of "car turns or stops > in front of biker, biker hits it" rather than "tailgater hits > biker". From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:08:35 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:02:40 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously InjuredMotorcyclist To: ImTheMan ITM , DC-Cycles X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal You gave Yahoo your personal information, or you mis-represented yourself to them. What's the big secret? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: ImTheMan ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > As far as using my name, I try to keep my information > off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't > even my primary email address. If someone needs to > know my name, they will know it. Why do you need > to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell > me when it's okay or not to use an online nickname, > I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. > > Like i said, drive how you want to drive. I generally > recommend bikers to be yeilding, as we all know > how vulnerable we are. > > - Ride safe. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:19:30 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:05:37 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist From: John Whiteside >Sometimes what they have to say is good and >interesting enough to me that they start to register >as real people, but more often I feel like I'm hearing >from a fictional character. Heh. Some of us fictional characters go to great lengths to cultivate that rep. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:21:28 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "McCoy Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:19:27 -0400 Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motor cyclist Content-Disposition: inline I have seen this. It wasn't pretty, but well deserved! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "McCoy Brian NAB02" on 08/03/99 11:51:49 AM To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motor cyclist I have no qualms about using fists and feet to alert a BDC From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:25:38 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:22 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "McCoy; Brian NAB02" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Have you attacked any buses lately, Brian?? Oh... and I was not thinking of a backup domain controller... although mentioning it did remind me of some work that I need to finish! Later, Tom <----- still gets a good laugh after witnessing Brian attack a bus about a year ago... '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy; Brian NAB02) Date: 08/03/1999 11:51 AM ...and I have no qualms about using fists and feet to alert a BDC... (no, not a backup domain controler you IT geeks) to my From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 12:43:11 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:38:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist Content-Disposition: inline I agree. It's kind of like asking someone's name at a social gathering and they refuse to disclose it. It's rude and the person shouldn't be surprised if he/she is ignored by the rest of the group. >>I would liken it to being at a social event and talking to someone who says "Hi, I'm Bob" and somone who sits there with a mask on so you can't ID them. It does kind of inhibit development of any kind of relationship or community or whatever.<< From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:00:02 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:01:07 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM , DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist At 11:18 AM 8/3/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: >Well you drive how you want to drive. I personally >won't use my body and bike as a barrier for other >cars not to get in front of me. And I would slow down >only to increase the cushion, then resume speeds at >the flow of traffic. You didn't listen to a word I said. As far as using my name, I try to keep my information >off of the internet. This list is not "on" the Internet, it is a select list that has messages delivered only to the recipients. You're in more danger from Yahoo selling your name than in the 230 dc-cycles listers knowing who you are. >I never used AOL. This isn't >even my primary email address. If someone needs to >know my name, they will know it. Why do you need >to know my name anyway? Because over many years I've learned that people who don't wish to be identified, and who use cutesy names, don't add much to the conversation. >I generally >recommend bikers to be yeilding, as we all know >how vulnerable we are. You still didn't listen to a work I said. Filter is now on. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:03:45 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:01:43 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM From: Troutman Subject: Re: Picking on ImTheMan Cc: DC-Cycles At 11:18 AM 8/3/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: >I believe far more accidents are caused from biker error than >tailgating error. I only recall seeing stories of "car turns or stops >in front of biker, biker hits it" rather than "tailgater hits biker". yep, thats true. But ask the people on the list how many times they have come within inches of getting nailed from behind. >As far as using my name, I try to keep my information >off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't >even my primary email address. If someone needs to >know my name, they will know it. Why do you need >to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell >me when it's okay or not to use an online nickname, >I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. You can try to keep your information off the Internet, but it is close to a futile cause. You think my name is really Mike? Cheers. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:29:16 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Horkster wrote: > Heh. Some of us fictional characters go to great > lengths > to cultivate that rep. :) Given the incredible willfulness characters in my own fiction have been known to display, perhaps I should watch what I say about fictional types... === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:29:17 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:22:17 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: fast lane cycles All, Anyone ever had their bike over at Fast Lane cycles in Chantilly? I was thinking of dropping it off there while I'm in CA to get the front end and the jetting taken care of, and I was curious to hear your opinions on them. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:40:01 1999 X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Math fight! was "Police seek" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:39:26 PDT Uh oh. The newbie got himself into a math and statistics fight with Chris Norloff. Too bad he went in unarmed, the fight would be a lot more fun if the newbie could at least translate between distance and time. Leon. Hey Chris, the 10-15 feet between cars translating into 6 cars in 180 feet was slick, one would get the impression that you regularly bait people with figures. >From: ImTheMan ITM >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured >Motorcyclist >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:18:06 -0700 (PDT) > > >At 60mph you should have at least 180 ft. > > following distance (2 > > second minimum following distance at 88 ft./sec (60 > > mph). In my 4 years of > > commuting into DC by motorcycle, year round, I > > regularly see people > > following at only 10-15 ft. That means you could > > put 6 cars in 180 ft., > > and given the traffic density and speed, this > > happens. > >I usually follow the 3 second >rule, and feel I have plenty of time to come to a stop >if need be. That following distance isn't 180ft. I >never saw anywhere that your following distance should >be X many feet. I've always heard it should be in >seconds. I usually find there is space for 2 maybe >3 cars in front of me, _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:48:43 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:48:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fast lane cycles On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Grant Heffernan wrote: > All, > Anyone ever had their bike over at Fast Lane cycles in Chantilly? I was > thinking of dropping it off there while I'm in CA to get the front end and > the jetting taken care of, and I was curious to hear your opinions on them. Got a month? Dont care about riding during beautiful summer? Fast Lanes takes freaking forever to get your bike back. And they lie to you about how long it takes. Myself, my room-mate, Brian, and others have had this experience. Occasionally they do a good job, and Rick Beggs, the owner, is an excellent mechanic and a very cool guy. The problem is his employees suck ass, and they do shoddy work. Rick only does "hard stuff" and I doubt your Pipe-JetKit-FrontEnd would qualify. I used to wholeheartedly reccomend them. But I think I've downgraded their stock rating. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 13:59:39 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:59:56 -0400 To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Math fight! was "Police seek" At 01:39 PM 8/3/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Uh oh. The newbie got himself into a math and statistics fight with Chris >Norloff. Too bad he went in unarmed, the fight would be a lot more fun if >the newbie could at least translate between distance and time. > >Leon. > >Hey Chris, the 10-15 feet between cars translating into 6 cars in 180 feet >was slick, one would get the impression that you regularly bait people >with figures. Bait? Assume cars are 15 ft. long and follow at 15 ft. Each car takes up 30 ft. of road, so 6 cars take up 180 ft. of road. This, of course, is sort of a theoretical max, but I regularly see people following at 10-15 ft. at 70mph, and they're no respector of anyone else on the road. Chris Norloff 186,000 miles per second -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 14:02:29 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles --- Chris Norloff wrote: > This list is not "on" the Internet, it is a select > list that has messages > delivered only to the recipients. You're in more > danger from Yahoo selling > your name than in the 230 dc-cycles listers knowing > who you are. At one point, wasn't there a web archive of the list? It did occur to me once that one of those bots that gathers email addresses off of web sites might get run into that & get us all on a spam list. however, given Yahoo's apparently really good spam filters, I almost never get any. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 14:10:26 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:54:21 -0400 Subject: Re: fast lane cycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've heard a lot of widely varied opinions about Fast Lane. I've only bought accessories and tires (on one occasion) there. I've witnessed the mechanics drop a customer's bike once while I was there, and one horror story about some service that took forever circulated the list several weeks ago. There have been a number of good reports about service from Fast Lane also though, in addition to the fact that they sponsored some of the racers on the list. My impression has been that the quality of your experience with them is a bit of a roll of the dice. I've also felt that while disorganized and haphazard, they do know a thing or two about tuning bikes. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 14:13:11 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:13:59 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist At 02:02 PM 8/3/99 , John Whiteside wrote: >At one point, wasn't there a web archive of the list? >It did occur to me once that one of those bots that >gathers email addresses off of web sites might get run >into that & get us all on a spam list. It's still there, at http://www.dc-cycles.org/archives.html, but the files haven't been separated since May 99. Last time I tried to get the latest file it crashed on me. They're all gzip compressed. I doubt spammers' bots would go through them - there's much easier pickings elsewhere. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 14:33:16 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:30:44 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Math fight! was "Police seek" To: Chris Norloff , mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > Bait? Assume cars are 15 ft. long and follow at 15 ft. Each car > takes up > 30 ft. of road, so 6 cars take up 180 ft. of road. This, of course, is > sort of a theoretical max, but I regularly see people following at 10-15 > ft. at 70mph, and they're no respector of anyone else on the road. > > Chris Norloff > > 186,000 miles per second -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law. That would be 7 cars. In a 6 car situation, the lead car would have limitless following distance, and assuming a 15 ft following distance, from front of car 6 to tail of car 1 would be 165 feet. You'd need a 7th car to force the 180 ft theory. Todd (wise-guy) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 14:36:58 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:37:17 -0400 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Math fight! was "Police seek" At 02:30 PM 8/3/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >That would be 7 cars. In a 6 car situation, the lead car would have >limitless following distance, and assuming a 15 ft following distance, from >front of car 6 to tail of car 1 would be 165 feet. You'd need a 7th car to >force the 180 ft theory. > >Todd (wise-guy) No, I don't think so. The scenario is that you're following at 2 seconds at 60mph, that puts you 176 ft. behind the car in front of you (let's just call it 180 ft.) If cars are 15 ft. long and follow at 15 ft., then 6 cars will fit in that 180 ft. :-) Chris (wise-wise-guy) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 14:38:12 1999 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Grant Heffernan" Subject: Re: fast lane cycles Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:37:22 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey Grant! What do you mean by 'taken care of'? I've got a little shop set up in my garage here in Leesburg. I've tweaked a few friends bikes recently and all of them are very satisfied. I'd love to take a look at your SV650 if you wish. Reply on or off list, however you like, Bruce > All, > Anyone ever had their bike over at Fast Lane cycles in Chantilly? I was > thinking of dropping it off there while I'm in CA to get the front end and > the jetting taken care of, and I was curious to hear your opinions on them. > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 14:43:38 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:40:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Picking on ImTheMan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL If you want to know a little more about Daniel (aka ImTheMan), just look at his Yahoo profile. http://profiles.yahoo.com/ITM_2k Daniel, The common courtesy on this list is to give your real name and (usually) the type of bike you ride. If you want to ignore this custom, that's fine, but expect to be treated like a discrouteous person if you do so. One of the main purposes of this list is to provide a way to set up group rides and other get-togethers. When/if you meet us face-to-face, are you going to introduce yourself as "I'm the Man"? If you never hope to meet other listers face-to-face, I recommend you switch to rec.motorcycles, alt.motorcycles.sportbike, or some other international forum where people care little for your real identity. Of course, as a consequence, they also care little about what you have to say. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 15:14:46 1999 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:16:19 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: fast lane cycles To: Grant Heffernan , DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I ordered some parts a month or so ago. Ordered about $80 worth of stuff that they said would at the most take 5 days. A month later, with the charge on my card, I cancelled it (Oh, they did get a $6 dollar item and another $20 item later that I took). One item they told me was in, when I went to pick it up it was gone! They said I must have been mistaken, but I know they sold it to someone else. Looking at the way they leave crap out in the rain (yeah...when it does rain), I wouldn't leave my bike there if my life depended on it! > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant Heffernan [mailto:granth@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 1:22 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: fast lane cycles > > > All, > Anyone ever had their bike over at Fast Lane cycles in Chantilly? I was > thinking of dropping it off there while I'm in CA to get the > front end and > the jetting taken care of, and I was curious to hear your > opinions on them. > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > http://www.ocston.org/~granth > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 15:47:15 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:45:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: rafting dates / mc ride The weekend for the trip has been set for September 24, 25, 26. The cost will be between $125-135 depending on how many people go. I need to know by the end of tomorrow who is definitely interested in going (i.e. want to go and just need to know where to send the check). I will hand in all of the names to my friend who will reserve our places for the trip. Once again - part of this will be a MC ride into WV. Then camping and rafting. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 16:05:20 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: WERA Endurance.. Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:56:19 -0700 Just wondering if anyone has photos from the Endurance.... looking for bike 503 - saftey yellow with flat black stripes... :P if not, not.... Thanks, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 16:35:26 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:05:53 -0400 Subject: Re: tbr pipe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, if no one's answered this for you yet, it stands for Two Brothers Racing, a manufacturer of (among other things) exhaust systems for motorcycles. Grant owns a Suzuki SV650, so presumably that's the bike he's installed it on. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: Grant Heffernan cc: sv650@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Bill Huson Date: 08/02/99 10:52:52 PM GMT Subject: Re: tbr pipe I'm curious - what is a "TBR" pipe, and what did you put it on? FWIW - if it can't breath in, then a pipe is just noise. Hi-flow air cleaner? Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 17:04:29 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: fast lane cycles To: Bruce Norton , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Grant Heffernan Isn't the SV fuel injected? If so, you may have some trouble with that one Bruce.... Might also be a good idea to have it dynoed. Last time I checked you didn't have one of those....all in due time, my friend. --- Bruce Norton wrote: > Hey Grant! What do you mean by 'taken care of'? I've > got a little shop set up > in my garage here in Leesburg. I've tweaked a few > friends bikes recently and > all of them are very satisfied. I'd love to take a > look at your SV650 if you > wish. > > All, > > Anyone ever had their bike over at Fast Lane > cycles in Chantilly? I was > > thinking of dropping it off there while I'm in CA > to get the front end and > > the jetting taken care of, and I was curious to > hear your opinions on them. > > Grant M. Heffernan _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 17:36:29 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:31:14 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: WERA Endurance.. At 10:56 AM 8/3/99 -0700, you wrote: >Just wondering if anyone has photos from the Endurance.... looking for bike >503 - saftey yellow with flat black stripes... :P > >if not, not.... Was that a honda? I think I remember passing you, I started out the first hour with hopes of going all 60mins. Unfortunally I got the bingo fuel light at about 50 minutes. The two red flags kept us from having to do an extra pit stop. We ended up 5th in class, 22nd over all. Still I was happy to get down to '24's. Finally happy to break my best lap time on a bike with 1/2 the power, 2/3's the weight and 1/10th the cost... Lots of things to improve on the bike. I will do '20's before the year is out. Hope you are feeling better from your throttle induced oversteering problem...:-) S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 19:29:36 1999 X-Originating-IP: [208.248.58.116] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R6 for sale Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:29:02 PDT I have a customer with a Yamaha R6 that needs to sell it. 1999 115 miles on it. The color is red and white. It is in perfect condition . He needs to have taken a safety class to ride on the Navy base, but there is a one year waiting list. He is getting very tired of walking to work. He is taking offers on it. He has clear title. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 19:55:38 1999 From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: YSR races this weekend Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:02:19 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This weekend at Monrovia Raceway they are having YSR sprint races on Saturday and endurance races on Sunday. I've e-mailed the organizer jus' to verify the races are still on, but I'm pretty sure they still are. I plan on going up on Sunday if I don't start my new parttime job. If anyone is interested heres their website: http://www.teamcalamari.com/dox/earra.html If you have never seen these little Yamahas race it is a blast. They might be small & slow compare to our bikes but these racers really like ride. The passing & dicing on this go cart track with its tight corners and roadcourse layout really lots of fun. Hopefully I will see some of you. Thanks Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 20:45:33 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motor cyclist To: "'dc'" Mind sharing the story with us about the accident? --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Your belief may be correct.. but I'm living, walking > (racing.. heh) proof > that bikes can and DO get nailed from behind.. it > happened to me back in > March - NOT in DC, NOT in rush -hour, NOT on a > weekday, NOT on a highway... > but 9am on a Saturday morning on a sidestreet as I > was returning home from > the bank... Cost me a broken wrist (4 months to > heal, including the > surgery) and seperated right shoulder... > > We're all going to ride how WE feel comfortable and > safe... me, I'm rather > agressive and forcefull - I MAKE myself a known > presence by getting > alongside, or just in front of cars so they can hear > my loudish pipe.. I use > my horns (aftermarket FIAMMS) often, and usually > flow 5~10mph faster than > the 'flow' of traffic, and I have no qualms about > using fists and feet to > alert a BDC (no, not a backup domain controler you > IT geeks) to my > presence.... only a couple times in the past few > years has that not worked. > *shrug* my calculated and accepted risk. > > Brian McCoy (you want my info... screw it, the worst > I'll get is junk-mail - > and that's easy enough to bin... some people are to > paranoid about what info > is safe to relase to the world..) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ImTheMan ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > I believe far more accidents are caused from biker > error than > > tailgating error. I only recall seeing stories of > "car turns or stops > > in front of biker, biker hits it" rather than > "tailgater hits > > biker". > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 20:49:57 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:43:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone? To: John Whiteside Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL That wasn't two WOMEN!! That was one woman, my girlfriend Noelle, and me. Last time I checked I was still a guy. Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: John Whiteside Date: 08/03/99 01:57:04 PM GMT Subject: Re: Anyone? While we're doing the "was that you?"s, if anyone out there is one of the two women hanging a left from Washington Boulevard onto N. Pershing in Arlington at about 9 last night, hello -- I was the guy at the light on the CX500... --- "Lisa S. Goddard" wrote: > Does anyone on this list know who rides the red and > white Moto Guzzi with > Nebraska plates that is parked in Bethesda this > morning? === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 20:54:36 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously InjuredMotorcyclist To: DC-Cycles If I told you, then it wouldn't be a secret. --- Todd Peer wrote: > You gave Yahoo your personal information, or you > mis-represented yourself to > them. > > What's the big secret? > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ImTheMan ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > > > As far as using my name, I try to keep my > information > > off of the internet. I never used AOL. This isn't > > even my primary email address. If someone needs to > > know my name, they will know it. Why do you need > > to know my name anyway? I don't need you to tell > > me when it's okay or not to use an online > nickname, > > I'll use my name when I see fit, and minimally. > > > > Like i said, drive how you want to drive. I > generally > > recommend bikers to be yeilding, as we all know > > how vulnerable we are. > > > > - Ride safe. > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Free instant messaging and more at > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 21:05:12 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "ImTheMan ITM" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:50:35 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Because over many years I've learned that people who don't wish to be > identified, and who use cutesy names, don't add much to the conversation. All together now.... Squeakers!! (Geez, I need to get one of those cutesy names...) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 21:40:38 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: Chris Norloff , DC-Cycles oooo he filtered me oooooo. personally, I think he feels challenged or soemthing by my nickname. Had I used "sunshine" I bet he wouldn't be complaining. I'm filtered... yet I'm the one not listening... Anyway, I'm not on this list to "build relationships", I'm aboard to join in on scheduled rides. At which time I'm sure I'll meet everyone who's there. Of course I'll use my name there, and also tell that my yahoo/email user is ITM_2k. I'm also confident that no one will believe i'm a jerkoff when they meet me, just because I don't use my real name online... I'm actually a thoughtful/helpful person, and not loud nor obnoxious, so I'm sure people will realise what type of person I am from my quiet manner. My yahoo user is also the info I use when I play yahoo spades and chess. So it's more than the 230 people he so proclaims. If I put my name here, I also put it there (yahoo spades/chess), as it's all the same info. I guess it's a sin to be introverted too? personally, I'm glad he filtered me. Save a lot of flaming :) But hey, I don't mind being joked about if it's all in good fun.. Did I tell you I drive a 250! eww hehe. (yeah, reallY I do). But it's faster than most cars so.. I'm happy.. tease away until your content, pick on me :) --- Chris Norloff wrote: > At 11:18 AM 8/3/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: > >Well you drive how you want to drive. I personally > >won't use my body and bike as a barrier for other > >cars not to get in front of me. And I would slow > down > >only to increase the cushion, then resume speeds at > >the flow of traffic. > > You didn't listen to a word I said. > > > As far as using my name, I try to keep my > information > >off of the internet. > > This list is not "on" the Internet, it is a select > list that has messages > delivered only to the recipients. You're in more > danger from Yahoo selling > your name than in the 230 dc-cycles listers knowing > who you are. > > > >I never used AOL. This isn't > >even my primary email address. If someone needs to > >know my name, they will know it. Why do you need > >to know my name anyway? > > Because over many years I've learned that people who > don't wish to be > identified, and who use cutesy names, don't add much > to the conversation. > > > >I generally > >recommend bikers to be yeilding, as we all know > >how vulnerable we are. > > You still didn't listen to a work I said. Filter is > now on. > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 21:58:49 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Picking on ImTheMan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > If you want to know a little more about Daniel (aka > ImTheMan), just look at > his Yahoo profile. > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/ITM_2k > > Daniel, ACK you ratted me out! j/k :) ooo big secret hehe > The common courtesy on this list is to give your > real name and (usually) well this is my first list, and i"m using a webpage to read it, so I'm not familiar with setting up the sigs.. > the type of bike you ride. If you want to ignore > this custom, that's fine, > but expect to be treated like a discrouteous person > if you do so. well I don't know what discrouteous means, so I guess I won't mind too much hehe > One of the main purposes of this list is to provide > a way to set up group > rides and other get-togethers. When/if you meet us > face-to-face, are you > going to introduce yourself as "I'm the Man"? If you > never hope to meet > other listers face-to-face, I recommend you switch > to rec.motorcycles, I already stated in a previous email my intentions. I'm not on the list to make email friends or be email popular. I'm here to ride along. I could care less if anyone wants to ignore or take to heart what I have to say. AS far as I know, I haven't said anything rude or obnoxious, and tried to be helpful, or gave my point of view.. If I say what I believe are good ideas, then who does it hurt if someone else doesn't consider them. Not me. I think it's ridiculous for people to get all in a hubbub about a field for a user name. IMO it says that the person who started this thread is just a little too anal retentive.. I guess he'll correct my spelling errars and typo''s next. :) I forgot it was "i'm the man" as I created it a while back. It's a bit like judging a book by it's cover if you ask me. if people want to ignore the message fine by me. I doubt when I'm along for the ride anyone will be have any reason to dislike me, or be like "oh he's that jerk "imtheman" " so... I'm glad he kill filtered me and moved on. Daniel in Maryland 92 ninja 250 - to make you happy :) > alt.motorcycles.sportbike, or some other > international forum where people > care little for your real identity. Of course, as a > consequence, they also > care little about what you have to say. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the > person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination > or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this > information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is > prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete > the material from any > computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 22:29:50 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13267 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804022840.11553.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.91] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:28:40 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:28:40 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: R6 for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if it were me, i'd try to get into a class on standby status.. which is actually what I did. I registered for the class, missed the payment date (OH JUNE,not JULY) but i went to the class anyway, and went in as standby. TO my surprise there were only 9 people in the class, as it was the tues through friday 8 am to 12 pm. so you can get into the least desirable class as a stand by.. but i guess he can't take off work hehe. So anyway, that's why i said, it's what i would do.. Oh this was at Prince Georges community college in largo maryland. --- DAN KENNEY wrote: > I have a customer with a Yamaha R6 that needs to > sell it. 1999 115 miles on > it. The color is red and white. It is in perfect > condition . He needs to > have taken a safety class to ride on the Navy base, > but there is a one year > waiting list. He is getting very tired of walking to > work. He is taking > offers on it. He has clear title. > > Dan Kenney > > Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > http://www.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 22:38:11 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13544 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804023654.13107.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.91] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:36:54 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Haha okay that was funny! Guess I might as well throw in something.. The guy who popped a wheelie on a red and white bike on conneticut avenue and first street. after turning the corner.. are you here? The guys in the car behind me got a blast out of that too as well as I did. Luck would have it, I hit an oil puddle, and when i started to turn, I did a fishtale.. luckily the bike recovered fine and I kept going, but the guys behind me probably thought i did it on purpose or something hehe. --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > That wasn't two WOMEN!! That was one woman, my > girlfriend Noelle, and me. > Last time I checked I was still a guy. > > Mark > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: John Whiteside > Date: 08/03/99 01:57:04 PM GMT > Subject: Re: Anyone? > > > > > While we're doing the "was that you?"s, if anyone > out > there is one of the two women hanging a left from > Washington Boulevard onto N. Pershing in Arlington > at > about 9 last night, hello -- I was the guy at the > light on the CX500... > > --- "Lisa S. Goddard" wrote: > > Does anyone on this list know who rides the red > and > > white Moto Guzzi with > > Nebraska plates that is parked in Bethesda this > > morning? > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the > person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination > or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this > information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is > prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete > the material from any > computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 22:49:29 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14021 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:49:20 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA07463; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:40:09 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026547; Mon, 2 Aug 99 18:28:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFU00FC1ZVEPV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C1.007B4A0A ; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:26:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:26:21 -0400 Subject: Directions to Frostburg, MD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C1.007B49D4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Does anyone know a good (twisty) route to Frostburg, MD? I may go watch the Skins scrimmage with Pittsburg tomorrow. Thanks, Mark PS: Anyone else want to go? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 23:08:49 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14417 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-21.patriot.net [206.29.51.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA12300; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:08:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37A7ADCC.3520937A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:04:44 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ImTheMan ITM CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: R6 for sale References: <19990804022840.11553.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes - one can get in on a "Drop In" basis at Alexandria NOVA campus also, but not at Loudin. Had two no-shows last week (mid-week class) and two hopefuls signed up to Drop-In. Perfect. Show up way early - like before 6 PM, write your name on the board and wait. Bill Slow/Look/Lean/Roll ImTheMan ITM wrote: > if it were me, i'd try to get into a class on standby status.. which is > actually what I did. I registered for the class, missed the payment > date (OH JUNE,not JULY) but i went to the class anyway, and went in as > standby. TO my surprise there were only 9 people in > the class, as it was the tues through friday 8 am > to 12 pm. so you can get into the least desirable > class as a stand by.. but i guess he can't take off > work hehe. So anyway, that's why i said, it's what > i would do.. > > Oh this was at Prince Georges community college in > largo maryland. > > --- DAN KENNEY wrote: > > I have a customer with a Yamaha R6 that needs to > > sell it. 1999 115 miles on > > it. The color is red and white. It is in perfect > > condition . He needs to > > have taken a safety class to ride on the Navy base, > > but there is a one year > > waiting list. He is getting very tired of walking to > > work. He is taking > > offers on it. He has clear title. > > > > Dan Kenney > > > > Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > > http://www.msn.com > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 3 23:53:06 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15113 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.111]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:47:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Directions to Frostburg, MD Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:48:32 -0400 Message-ID: <002301bede2c$38f10740$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <852567C1.007B49D4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I 270 to Frederick. 70 West. Find the first exit indicating US40 West. Off you go. US 40 is sorta in three parts. There is I-70/68 which is the official replacement for US40. Then there is the old US 40 which exists through most of this stretch. And the best of all is the old, old US 40. Look out for gravel and sand (even at this time of year). Traffic shouldn't be bad at all during the week. You will have to bounce on and off of the interstate since some of the roadbed was just widened and paved over for 70 West. I'd love to go, but work calls. Gotta get the office straightened out enough to not go to shit when I leave for a week or two near my wedding. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 06:04:14 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA21706 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32062 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 10:14:02 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 10:14:02 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA16610; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:00:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:00:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199908041000.GAA16610@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Book - The Harley, Reflecting America in Its Chrome On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:28:39 -0400 LindaT wrote: >Welcome back, Gil. >Any good stories? It was hot. Then it got really hot. Then it got *really damn* hot. And you guys were griping about it hitting 100. Plenty of stupid (computer)user stories,though. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 06:07:19 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA21785 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 117 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 10:17:09 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 10:17:09 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA24643; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:03:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:03:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199908041003.GAA24643@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone? On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:57:04 -0700 (PDT) John Whiteside wrote: >While we're doing the "was that you?"s, if anyone out On this subject,I saw a couple on a black Speed Triple in Arlington the other day. I think it was the same pair that used to ride around on a Buell S1. Anyone know these two? The Buell finally fall apart,or did they stop getting into S&M? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 06:11:16 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA21816 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1287 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 10:21:05 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 10:21:05 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA24787; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:07:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:07:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199908041007.GAA24787@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:RE: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:22 -0400 Tom Zell wrote: >Have you attacked any buses lately, Brian?? >Later, >Tom <----- still gets a good laugh after witnessing >Brian attack a bus about a year ago... I don't remember that one. How about a retell,Brian? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 07:06:47 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22810 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16538 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGWWS>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:11:59 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87D5@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:11:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi everybody, What our dear friend, "the man," may sadly discover is that no one using such a public communications link has as much privacy as one thinks. If someone really wants to know who I am, then that person can find out. Even if I try to use some cutesy scheme like an anonymous re-mailer available at Cal-Berkley. The trail of electrons are there, all it talks is to let loose a few hounds. Even the lurkers have to disclose some kind of address to get our messages in the first place, so even if I remain silent you can know who I am by virture of hunting down my e-mail address. Also, is it really true each Intel Pentium III chip has a unique identifier sorta like network cards do? Do you think that can uniquely identify me to include cross-referencing my chip code, my ISP, and any other site I visit? Furthermore, how does Yahoo make its money when providing free services at no cost? Maybe they sell some kind of product, what could that be? My personnel information, nah, no one would ever do a thing like that. I mean, marketing data only includes postal mail addresses only, right? And do any ISPs and Yahoo play together? Does my credit card information ever get released without my knowledge. What exactly were the terms and conditions of my ISP, card issuer, Yahoo? Hmmmm....... Wait, I hear someone pounding the door.................. Just kidding, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 07:09:43 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22828 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Wed, 4 Aug 99 11:09:38 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa005l.; Wed, 04 Aug 99 11:09:29 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'ImTheMan ITM'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: 250? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:09:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Any chance it's something cool like an Aprilia RS250? Or just another *cough* Ninja 250 with it's softish valves... Hey, Leon - look.. you have company.. :) (I guess it could be a VTR.. which would be why John though he was a gal.. *chuckle*) you da man... :P Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: ImTheMan ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > But hey, I don't mind being joked about if it's all > in good fun.. Did I tell you I drive a 250! eww > hehe. (yeah, reallY I do). But it's faster than > most cars so.. I'm happy.. tease away until your > content, pick on me :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 07:21:21 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23109 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:21:13 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Anyone? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:21:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil Nissley [mailto:dynaryder@XXXXXX] > On this subject,I saw a couple on a black Speed Triple in > Arlington the other day. I think it was the same pair that > used to ride around on a Buell S1. Anyone know these two? The > Buell finally fall apart,or did they stop getting into S&M? Spoken like only a person who's owned/ridden a Buell could... :P Hey, that Buell got you your current ride though! *grin* Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 07:33:21 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23298 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:33:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Me and da bus... Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:33:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:22 -0400 Tom Zell > wrote: > >Have you attacked any buses lately, Brian?? > > I don't remember that one. How about a retell,Brian? Uhh.. *chuckle* I laugh too when I think about it... Pulling away from Tom and Jeannetts home in VA - Tom's leading, then J and then myself... we're on George Mason drive (4 lane road, 2 in each direction.) The three of us are in the left lane.. a smaller bus (hauling senior citizens) is on the right shoulder.. then pulls out swinging WIDE into the left-lane. It almost nails Tom, J slows - then accelerates around.. I'm still in the back watching - there was NO reason (at least obvious) for the vehicle to pull out wide like it did... he never had a turn signal on, and was still driving with 2 wheels in each lane.. We come up to a stoplight, and I'm right next to the driver.. window down I'm yelling at him to get the F off the road and learn to drive.. that he's going to (and about) hospitalize someone... the guy was a non-English speaking jerk-off apparently because he kept saying 'what?' - I leaned over and bashed in the driver door with my right foot... he started to get out, and I took off... damn jerkoff had NO clue why the 3 of us were so pissed. Plus he was cussing at me with a bus full of old people... hope they complained. Ok, now I'm pissed off.. but it was funny... Tom couldn't stop laughing that night... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 08:21:51 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24083 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA14470; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:21:52 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa13775; Wed, 4 Aug 99 08:20:42 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFX00B9MX2USH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C3.0043AA21 ; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:19:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:17:54 -0400 Subject: If not Fast Lane, then who? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C3.00438C8D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have been following this thread with interest, because I am in need of a shop too. So, who do you guys send your bike to (in Virginia)? Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 08:37:14 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24372 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA17028; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:39:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? In-Reply-To: <852567C3.00438C8D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I recently had Crossroads Cycle work on my bike, and I was happy with their work. One nice thing is that you can call and make an appointment, and when you drop off your bike, they'll be ready to work on it. Typical turnaround time seems to be very reasonable. I had my bike back in two days, and it would have been one except for a delay in getting in my front tire. In other words, they're honest. Dennis, their main man, is good at tuning, though he relies on "seat of the pants" techniques -- no dyno -- fwiw. They definitely have a clue. They field a racing team too... Pete. On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > I have been following this thread with interest, because I am in need of a > shop too. So, who do you guys send your bike to (in Virginia)? > > Thanks, > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 08:45:13 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24517 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804124512.2827.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 05:45:12 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:45:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone? To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OOPS. Sorry -- what can I say, it was dark, only got a good look at one of you (apparently not you!), mumble mumble, yadda yadda yadda nevermind.... Well howdy anyway.... --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > That wasn't two WOMEN!! That was one woman, my > girlfriend Noelle, and me. > Last time I checked I was still a guy. > > Mark > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: John Whiteside > Date: 08/03/99 01:57:04 PM GMT > Subject: Re: Anyone? > > > > > While we're doing the "was that you?"s, if anyone > out > there is one of the two women hanging a left from > Washington Boulevard onto N. Pershing in Arlington > at > about 9 last night, hello -- I was the guy at the > light on the CX500... > > --- "Lisa S. Goddard" wrote: > > Does anyone on this list know who rides the red > and > > white Moto Guzzi with > > Nebraska plates that is parked in Bethesda this > > morning? > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 08:50:07 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24631 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804124949.24323.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 05:49:49 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:49:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > I have been following this thread with interest, > because I am in need of a > shop too. So, who do you guys send your bike to (in > Virginia)? I've been really pleased with Crossroads Cycle in Baileys Crossroads... pretty convenient to Arlington... and I think some other folks here have been too... === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 08:52:47 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24654 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-131.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FFX00HPMYF9GY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:53:39 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? To: DC cycles list Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <37A837AA.514C33D5@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <852567C3.00438C8D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> I've had good experiences with Cyclesport in Herndon, though they can be expensive. The work is done right and within the time specified. I've also heard good things about Loudoun Motorsport in Leesburg, and I think they might be a little less expensive. They only sell Hondas, but I figure they probably work on anything. I would strongly recommend against taking your bike to Coleman Powersport. They are insanely expensive, surly, and genrally not nice people. mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > I have been following this thread with interest, because I am in need of a > shop too. So, who do you guys send your bike to (in Virginia)? > > Thanks, > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 09:00:04 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24959 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: If not Fast Lane, then who? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:50:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I've heard some good things about Cycle Sport (one teammate has been going there for a long time).. Not really a lot of info one way or the other on Louden Motorsports - but, again, racers I've talked to seem to like them. I've had really bad problems with Fast-Lane Cycles... and recomend avoiding them (even though DC-Cycles Racing is/was half-way sponsored by them). Coleman Pouser Sports has had nothing but bad write-ups on their service... so I'd recomend avoiding them aswell.... VA natives will know better.... Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 8:18 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: If not Fast Lane, then who? > > > I have been following this thread with interest, because I am > in need of a > shop too. So, who do you guys send your bike to (in Virginia)? > > Thanks, > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 09:02:14 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25015 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804130311.13886.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 06:03:11 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:03:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been using Cycle Sports in Springfield for the past 4 years. They've always treated me fairly and had the work finished when they told me it would be. For convience factor when I drop off my bike, they are right off a bus route (Fairfax Connector), and it's only 25 cents to get to the metro. Louis --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > I have been following this thread with interest, because I am in need of a > shop too. So, who do you guys send your bike to (in Virginia)? > > Thanks, > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 09:14:13 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25554 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Aug 04 06:16:12 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:16:05 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2848@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'dc'" Subject: Anyone know who... Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:08:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Drives the late model red Suzuki Bandit, VA tag "WT LNR" I see this bike VERY often where I work, in Rockville. I guess the person works for NASD, since that's the other tenant in our building. If you're on the list, I'm the one with the '92 black Concours. Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 09:46:53 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net (chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26350 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:46:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhaux22794; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:46:47 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567C3.004BBD6C ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:47:16 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "McCoy Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Message-ID: <852567C3.004BBB20.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:45:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Me and da bus... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Brian is being WAY too kind. He only kicked the door after the bus driver not only cussed us all out, but then tried to push us out of our lane with his bus and tried to get out and (I guess)....attack Brian! He deserved what he got! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "McCoy Brian NAB02" on 08/04/99 07:33:15 AM To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Me and da bus... > On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:22 -0400 Tom Zell > wrote: > >Have you attacked any buses lately, Brian?? > > I don't remember that one. How about a retell,Brian? Uhh.. *chuckle* I laugh too when I think about it... Pulling away from Tom and Jeannetts home in VA - Tom's leading, then J and then myself... we're on George Mason drive (4 lane road, 2 in each direction.) The three of us are in the left lane.. a smaller bus (hauling senior citizens) is on the right shoulder.. then pulls out swinging WIDE into the left-lane. It almost nails Tom, J slows - then accelerates around.. I'm still in the back watching - there was NO reason (at least obvious) for the vehicle to pull out wide like it did... he never had a turn signal on, and was still driving with 2 wheels in each lane.. We come up to a stoplight, and I'm right next to the driver.. window down I'm yelling at him to get the F off the road and learn to drive.. that he's going to (and about) hospitalize someone... the guy was a non-English speaking jerk-off apparently because he kept saying 'what?' - I leaned over and bashed in the driver door with my right foot... he started to get out, and I took off... damn jerkoff had NO clue why the 3 of us were so pissed. Plus he was cussing at me with a bus full of old people... hope they complained. Ok, now I'm pissed off.. but it was funny... Tom couldn't stop laughing that night... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 09:54:31 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26437 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2CRLa20496 (4422) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <69f8e91b.24d99fd3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:53:23 EDT Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 I've had some minor things done at Loudoun Motorsports on my old Interceptor. Had them change the chain and do some routine maintenance. They're turn around time was great and the work was cheaper than I would have expected. Also, their shop manager, (who usually does most of the work, as I understand it), is Honda factory certified and all that jazz. I've been happy dealing with them. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 10:49:49 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27389 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804144910.16702.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.147] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 07:49:10 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: 250? To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep Cough some more, it's a ninja :) I think I hear some type of valve problem too, not sure though. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Any chance it's something cool like an Aprilia > RS250? Or just another > *cough* Ninja 250 with it's softish valves... Hey, > Leon - look.. you have > company.. :) (I guess it could be a VTR.. which > would be why John though he > was a gal.. *chuckle*) > > you da man... :P > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ImTheMan ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > But hey, I don't mind being joked about if it's > all > > in good fun.. Did I tell you I drive a 250! eww > > hehe. (yeah, reallY I do). But it's faster than > > most cars so.. I'm happy.. tease away until your > > content, pick on me :) > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 10:55:53 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27489 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:55:41 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id PAA25334; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:50:00 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa20739; Wed, 4 Aug 99 15:45:43 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFY00DXZ3OG8T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:45:52 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 802567C3.005125B5 ; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:46:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:44:46 -0400 Subject: ISO: Yamaha R6 Mirrors To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C3.00512D40.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. There's a buzz on the VTR list that Yamaha R6 mirrors fit the mirror mounting points on our bikes. These mirrors are on longer stalks and have a larger surface area than our stock items, which are notorious for elbow-reflection. So the purpose of this post is to attempt to find someone who's race-prepping their R6 (or is parting out a wreck) and is looking to make a few bucks from the extra parts. Anyone doing this or know someone who is? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 10:59:15 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27563 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-111.s48.as2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.111]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03641; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03b101bede8a$058e0840$6f6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: , , Subject: Trunk on '98 - '99 VFR's Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:59:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 John, It has been said that you have a Givi trunk mounted on your VFR. What year VFR do you have? How is the trunk mounted? I want to use the passenger grab handle bolts to mount it and want to know if there is such a mounting device available or if I will have to have it manufactured. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 11:08:33 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27791 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804150816.19844.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.147] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:08:16 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) To: Michael Jay , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well of course Big brother could track most people down through the net following ip addresses. Luckily I'm not trying to hide from him. But as far as most internet users go, i'm pretty much not findable without someone breaking the law. theoretically one could pay cash for isp service and use fake info (you have to provide money more than you do ID), and then never put their real info on the net. So it's not all that hard. Oh and once your name gets on one list, it shouldn't be hard for that company to share their list. Like maybe a DC bike shop gets this list, then decides to sell all it's names to another list, such as a car shop.. I swear, spam is almost like VD now adays. And then, also, people on the net just don't need to know my full name or address or phone number.. That'll avoid prank phone calls, or maybe avoid some pissed off psychopath that I flamed hehe. For everyone who wants to post their information, why not include you DOB, SSN, driv. lisc #, CC info and whatever else :) Hey has anyone been to that 1-800 us search site? that looks kind of scary.. it looks like it woudln't take much for a person to get your name, and just a little other info, like a previous address, and get all the rest of the info above. --- Michael Jay wrote: > Hi everybody, > > What our dear friend, "the man," may sadly discover > is that no one using > such a public communications link has as much > privacy as one thinks. > > If someone really wants to know who I am, then that > person can find out. > Even if I try to use some cutesy scheme like an > anonymous re-mailer > available at Cal-Berkley. The trail of electrons are > there, all it talks is > to let loose a few hounds. > > Even the lurkers have to disclose some kind of > address to get our messages > in the first place, so even if I remain silent you > can know who I am by > virture of hunting down my e-mail address. > > Also, is it really true each Intel Pentium III chip > has a unique identifier > sorta like network cards do? Do you think that can > uniquely identify me to > include cross-referencing my chip code, my ISP, and > any other site I visit? > > Furthermore, how does Yahoo make its money when > providing free services at > no cost? Maybe they sell some kind of product, what > could that be? My > personnel information, nah, no one would ever do a > thing like that. I mean, > marketing data only includes postal mail addresses > only, right? And do any > ISPs and Yahoo play together? Does my credit card > information ever get > released without my knowledge. What exactly were the > terms and conditions of > my ISP, card issuer, Yahoo? Hmmmm....... > > Wait, I hear someone pounding the > door.................. > > Just kidding, > Mike Jay > 82 XJ750RJ > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 11:29:27 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28239 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804152856.24450.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.147] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:28:56 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: oil slick To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was at the corner of first street and conneticut avenue yesterday and hit someone's small oil puddle ( I was on first street turning on to conneticut avenue). Luckily only my back wheel fish tailed and I caught traction again. ( I think it was first street anyway) Shook my confidence to do some leaning on the beltway and parkway for a little while on the way home.. With that and other debri's on the road, maybe the people with the chicken stripes are the smart ones :) hehe. Figured I might as well remind you guys that these things are out there. Ride safe, be careful. === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 11:37:37 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28477 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-241-116.s116.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.241.116]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24634 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 99 11:35:30 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: FW: Motorcyclist, Night Riders is this Saturday! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Just in case people didn't get this on their own. Looks like Sat will be a good day for riding, I've got a good route(all clear of gravel through Northwest VA of about 120 miles for the morning, and then this looks decent too. greg --- On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:58:26 EDT Novamgr@XXXXXX wrote: >Fellow Riders, > >Well, NOVA MGR has been operating under a light schedule this season due to >my time being divided in many directions, among other circumstances. I have >received messages from many of you asking for information or wondering if >your name was somehow omitted, but they have been too many in number for me >to address individually. I do apologize if I did not respond to any >inquiries you made. If you are receiving this message, you were never >removed from the list. If you are not receiving this message, let me know. >;) > >It is my pleasure to announce that we will be having our scheduled Night >Riders event this Saturday evening. Many of you know this ride well and I >hope to see lots of familiar faces, as well as new ones, on this ride. Read >further for details. > >INVITATION TO NOVA MGR's NIGHT RIDERS EVENT SATURDAY 8/7/99 >When: Saturday, August 7, 1999. > 7pm for dinner, head out by 7:30pm! >Where: Wendy's Restaurant, Chantilly (by Capital Expo Center) >Directions: From I-66 take route 28 NORTH > Travel approximately 4 or 5 lights to Willard Road. > Turn RIGHT on Willard Road > Turn at first LEFT towards Capital Expo Center > Turn at first LEFT into Wendy's parking lot >Details: This ride is at night and entirely through populated areas, >therefore extra attention will be given to speed limits and general >motorcycle safety. Please make certain you are fully prepared to ride at >night when you attend this ride. At least one of the break points may be >unlit, so feel free to bring a flashlight. The Night Riders event starts in >the evening just before sunset and sometimes lasts as late as midnight. >However, being a local route, those riders who need to leave early may easily >break off for other destinations at any point along the way. The route >begins in western Fairfax County and passes by Mount Vernon, Old Town >Alexandria, National Airport, and Great Falls before ending at the Reston >Town Center. The featured stop is Ben & Jerry's ice cream shop. You will >have the opportunity to meet lots of local area motorcyclists who have all >kinds of bikes. > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/4/99 HSTA/AMA 11:35:31 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 11:46:06 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28682 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA19373; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:44:53 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002185; Wed, 4 Aug 99 10:26:34 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFY003NY2VTLK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C3.004F2321 ; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:24:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:22:41 -0400 Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C3.004F0EBB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've mentioned my satisfaction with Loudon Motorsports here before, and I'll reiterate it. I've *always* been satisfied with the workings of that particular shop. From buying my bike there to having the services done, they've never been any less than fast, friendly, affordable, and effective. The only drawback is that they're in Leesburg, which can be a bit of a ride for some on this list. Also, the owner rides a VTR, so you know they have good taste too. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: 08/04/99 01:53:23 PM GMT Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? I've had some minor things done at Loudoun Motorsports on my old Interceptor. Had them change the chain and do some routine maintenance. They're turn around time was great and the work was cheaper than I would have expected. Also, their shop manager, (who usually does most of the work, as I understand it), is Honda factory certified and all that jazz. I've been happy dealing with them. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 11:57:02 1999 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28933 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vVFZa28682 (2619); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:55:52 EDT Subject: Re: ISO: Yamaha R6 Mirrors To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Hmmmm....I wonder if the R6 stalks are longer than the R1's? Don't get me wrong, I have very attractive elbow's, but I'm tired of looking at them. Tom T. 98 R1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 12:11:52 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29163 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FFY00HJ47GVUF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:07:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA32442; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990804160742.QXIK5062@toddnt>; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:07:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:05:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Me and da bus... In-reply-to: To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <000801bede93$34b9c060$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > I leaned over and > bashed in the > driver door with my right foot... he started to get out, and I took off... > damn jerkoff had NO clue why the 3 of us were so pissed. Awww..Jeeez! I thought it was going to be a re-count of some dangling mid-air karate kick while throttling past, ala Jackie Chan. Wimp! T ;-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 12:15:21 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29342 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FFY007RT7GTM4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:07:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA01500; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:03:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990804160740.QXHT5062@toddnt>; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:07:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:05:41 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ceSeek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) In-reply-to: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87D5@tralfaz.treev.com> To: Michael Jay , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000701bede93$33543cf0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > Also, is it really true each Intel Pentium III chip has a unique > identifier > sorta like network cards do? Do you think that can uniquely identify me to > include cross-referencing my chip code, my ISP, and any other > site I visit? For this reason I naively refuse, due to paranoid delusions of big brother conspiracies, to not buy a PIII. Until it gets past 700mHZ :) Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 12:37:04 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29759 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (216-164-223-119.s119.tnt2.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.223.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17562 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801bede97$89a56b20$77dfa4d8@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Fw: YSR Races at Monrovia Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:36:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: Re: YSR Races at Monrovia Paul form EARA e-mailed me back and the races are definately on, Hope to see some of you there. See ya, Brian N, 96 Yamaha FZR600 >Brian, > Yes, we are racing this weekend. As a matter of fact, it's an >endurance weekend, so the sprint races will be on Saturday, and the >Endurance racing will be on Sunday. So your friends have a choice. >Make sure you tell them to come down in the pits to get a good look. > Paul > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 12:43:55 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29873 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA06812; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Michael Jay cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) In-Reply-To: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87D5@tralfaz.treev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Michael Jay wrote: > If someone really wants to know who I am, then that person can find out. > Even if I try to use some cutesy scheme like an anonymous re-mailer > available at Cal-Berkley. The trail of electrons are there, all it talks is > to let loose a few hounds. > > Even the lurkers have to disclose some kind of address to get our messages > in the first place, so even if I remain silent you can know who I am by > virture of hunting down my e-mail address. > > Also, is it really true each Intel Pentium III chip has a unique identifier > sorta like network cards do? Do you think that can uniquely identify me to > include cross-referencing my chip code, my ISP, and any other site I visit? When anon.penet.fi went down, a friend who worked at Va Tech in the computer lab set up a box for friends to use. It's evolved into the only way I know of to remain mostly anonymous. Right now, about 80 friends have free telnet access to a machine which gives mail, news and web space. To my knowledge, no one has ever abused their account by spamming/massmailing. We make donations to the owner to support the T1 costs, he admins for free, and many other folks donate things like the Ultra 10 that holds news for us. No dialup, no billing info, and for many, no real names. But, other than this scenario, I'm unaware of a way to be even vaguely hidden while using the net. Shannon 1990 Virago 535 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 13:37:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01046 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA24415; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:37:42 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025283; Wed, 4 Aug 99 11:53:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFY00FQI6X5JV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C3.0057261C ; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:51:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:41:47 -0400 Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C3.00564AC8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Can you say "paranoia?" Sheesh! You've been watching too many X-Files episodes, buddy. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: Michael Jay , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: ITM Date: 08/04/99 03:08:16 PM GMT Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) Well of course Big brother could track most people down through the net following ip addresses. Luckily I'm not trying to hide from him. But as far as most internet users go, i'm pretty much not findable without someone breaking the law. theoretically one could pay cash for isp service and use fake info (you have to provide money more than you do ID), and then never put their real info on the net. So it's not all that hard. Oh and once your name gets on one list, it shouldn't be hard for that company to share their list. Like maybe a DC bike shop gets this list, then decides to sell all it's names to another list, such as a car shop.. I swear, spam is almost like VD now adays. And then, also, people on the net just don't need to know my full name or address or phone number.. That'll avoid prank phone calls, or maybe avoid some pissed off psychopath that I flamed hehe. For everyone who wants to post their information, why not include you DOB, SSN, driv. lisc #, CC info and whatever else :) Hey has anyone been to that 1-800 us search site? that looks kind of scary.. it looks like it woudln't take much for a person to get your name, and just a little other info, like a previous address, and get all the rest of the info above. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 13:44:36 1999 Return-Path: ttboye@XXXXXX Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01171 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804175057.23272.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.207] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:50:57 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Theodore T. Boye" Subject: Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anybody know how to get in touch with Jack (formerly wantazx6@XXXXXX)? He's not responding to my messages and I need to get in touch. He left his underwear at my place last night. Thanks. -- Theodore _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 14:03:54 1999 Return-Path: Lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01586 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lisagoddard.kivex.com (corp23.kivex.com [208.213.150.23]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA10871 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990804140016.006a15a4@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:00:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Lisa S. Goddard" Subject: bike parking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For the second day in a row: Thanks to the red Moto Guzzi for using the entire bike parking space for him or herself.... (the space that I usually have no problem sharing with two other bikes) Lisa Goddard, MIS Specialist Kivex.com, an Alleginace Telecom company Unlock the power of the Internet! From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 14:05:34 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01685 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Wed, 4 Aug 99 18:05:12 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa001xN; Wed, 04 Aug 99 18:05:09 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:05:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I promise this has some MC content.. :) > For everyone who wants to post their information, > why not include you DOB, SSN, driv. lisc #, CC info > and whatever else :) What harm would it do to me? What do I have to loose.. I have no credit cards, so noone can fraud me there. I do have bank accounts, but I also keep track of my records on paper to form a check and balance with my bank. If someone knows my phone number, what can they possibly do? Same with my address.. I move far to often for the information to be valid in any real way. A psycho will do what they please, no matter how deeply I burry my information - their motivation is not ease of their prey. My only legal ownership is one 87 VFR700 that's worth maybe $1000 - hardly motivation for a theif to tail me with so much more floating about out there. Maybe *I* am in a unique position with no family, and no posessions (hrm, what was the saying.. somthing about 'freedom is having nothing left to loose'?). *I* will freely and willingly give my information if it's needed or requested (within reason - not going to give my bank info to joe schmoe walking down the street - but I'll enter it for a Dean Witter webpage). I've been this way since early 92 when I first got on-line... the worst that's happened to me? Spam-mail both on-line and in my mailbox... which is easy enough to ignore and bin. And now for the motorcycle part... I'm busy this Saturday... but I'm interested in checking out the YSR endurance races on Sunday (hrm, wonder if they'll accept a WERA race license) - anyone interested in doing a couple hundred miles in the morning, then the races in the afternoon? I'm a spirited rider, and know of a few deceint roads... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 14:11:46 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01750 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA14202; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:11:15 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012931; Wed, 4 Aug 99 12:23:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFY0027N8BJI0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C3.0059EC74 ; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:21:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:21:00 -0400 Subject: Carb Cleaning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C3.0059D5AE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ok, here is your chance to help a budding mechanic. My 85 Kawasaki ZL 600 has been running like crap so I decided to clean the carbs (I left gas in it over the winter). They are off the bike? Now what? How do I clean them and what should I use? TIA Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 14:29:45 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02172 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Aug 04 11:31:22 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B284B@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Lisa S. Goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike parking Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:24:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Lisa, Have you tried leaving a nice note asking the person, politely, to share the space? Perry > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa S. Goddard [SMTP:Lisa@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 2:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: bike parking > > For the second day in a row: > > Thanks to the red Moto Guzzi for using the entire bike parking space for > him or herself.... > > (the space that I usually have no problem sharing with two other bikes) > Lisa Goddard, MIS Specialist > Kivex.com, an Alleginace Telecom company > Unlock the power of the Internet! From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:07:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02937 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FFY00JHWFNK6Q@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:04:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA09420; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:03:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990804190431.TPUW5062@toddnt>; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:04:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:02:31 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Question In-reply-to: <19990804175057.23272.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Theodore T. Boye" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001801bedeab$e79e55c0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Whoa TTBoy! Way More than we wanted to even imagine. Todd (being baited..) > -----Original Message----- > From: Theodore T. Boye [mailto:ttboye@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:51 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Question > > > Does anybody know how to get in touch with Jack (formerly > wantazx6@XXXXXX)? He's not responding to my messages and I need to > get in touch. > > He left his underwear at my place last night. > > Thanks. > > -- > Theodore > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:09:47 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02957 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FFY003G1FUUEJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:08:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA22593; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:04:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990804190853.TRKD5062@toddnt>; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:08:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:06:54 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: YSR Was: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age In-reply-to: To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <001901bedeac$83e97950$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > And now for the motorcycle part... I'm busy this Saturday... but I'm > interested in checking out the YSR endurance races on Sunday > (hrm, wonder if > they'll accept a WERA race license) - anyone interested in doing a couple > hundred miles in the morning, then the races in the afternoon? I'm a > spirited rider, and know of a few deceint roads... > > Brian McCoy I might be up for this Brian. Where to? From? When does the YSR endurance start? Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:10:35 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02984 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FFY00J4NFE3BH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:58:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA14726; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:57:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990804185850.TNTW5062@toddnt>; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:58:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:56:50 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: bike parking In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19990804140016.006a15a4@kivex.com> To: "Lisa S. Goddard" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001601bedeab$1c63d0b0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Leave a nice note explaining that they could park a certain way to allow more bikes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa S. Goddard [mailto:Lisa@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 2:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: bike parking > > > For the second day in a row: > > Thanks to the red Moto Guzzi for using the entire bike parking space for > him or herself.... > > (the space that I usually have no problem sharing with two other bikes) > Lisa Goddard, MIS Specialist > Kivex.com, an Alleginace Telecom company > Unlock the power of the Internet! > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:16:50 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03152 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:16:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: YSR Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:16:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > > > > And now for the motorcycle part... I'm busy this Saturday... but I'm > > interested in checking out the YSR endurance races on Sunday > > (hrm, wonder if > > they'll accept a WERA race license) - anyone interested in > doing a couple > > hundred miles in the morning, then the races in the > afternoon? I'm a > > spirited rider, and know of a few deceint roads... > > > > I might be up for this Brian. > > Where to? From? When does the YSR endurance start? Well, how about some of the 'standard' NoVA backroads, coming across the river at point of rocks then on some of my fav. backroads over to 75/80 (the YSR raceway) - met up at like 10am.. hit the races about 1~2, hang out till 4~5 then find your own way home... I'm not into anything to punishing on a bike.. still recovering from scaphoid (wrist) surgery, and that pesky high-side I had last Saturday... but I definatally want to get out and do something... promises to be a beautiful day... Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:19:43 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03171 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804191828.28838.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:18:28 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Question To: ttboye@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL.. nice email addy and screen name... anyhow.. if you are serious about getting in touch with Jack, he changed his email to wantazx6r@XXXXXX (I think too many dcc types were flaming him) or something along those lines... but unless somethings changed since a month ago, I don't think he will be able to reply to you...if you must know the reason, please email me direct....not really polite to discuss the reasons on a public forum... Collin ps: say hi to Peter N. for me ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Theodore T. Boye > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:50 PM > Subject: Question > > > > Does anybody know how to get in touch with Jack (formerly > > wantazx6@XXXXXX)? He's not responding to my messages and I need > to > > get in touch. > > > > He left his underwear at my place last night. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Theodore === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:21:13 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03262 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804191751.24621.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.147] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:17:51 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not paranoid, just gave a couple of good reasons why. I think it's akin to publishing or not publishing your info in the phone book. Some people do, some people pay so that it isn't. I expect internet spam to grow just as telemarketers grow when you information is everywhere. Not putting my info on the net is free.. so why not enjoy my right to privacy? --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Can you say "paranoia?" Sheesh! You've been watching too many > X-Files > episodes, buddy. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > To: Michael Jay , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > > cc: > From: ITM > Date: 08/04/99 03:08:16 PM GMT > Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press > Release: Poli > ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) > > > > > Well of course Big brother could track most people down through the > net following ip addresses. Luckily > I'm not trying to hide from him. But as far as most > internet users go, i'm pretty much not findable without someone > breaking the law. > > theoretically one could pay cash for isp service and > use fake info (you have to provide money more than > you do ID), and then never put their real info > on the net. So it's not all that hard. > > Oh and once your name gets on one list, it shouldn't > be hard for that company to share their list. Like > maybe a DC bike shop gets this list, then decides > to sell all it's names to another list, such as a > car shop.. I swear, spam is almost like VD now adays. > And then, also, people on the net just don't need > to know my full name or address or phone number.. > That'll avoid prank phone calls, or maybe avoid some pissed off > psychopath that I flamed hehe. > > For everyone who wants to post their information, > why not include you DOB, SSN, driv. lisc #, CC info > and whatever else :) > > Hey has anyone been to that 1-800 us search site? > that looks kind of scary.. it looks like it woudln't > take much for a person to get your name, and just a little other > info, like a previous address, and get > all the rest of the info above. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:27:08 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03329 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990804192420.6878.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.147] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:24:20 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:24:20 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh and I don't watch X-files or any sci fi. Eww. I'm strictly a commedy type of person. with the occasional drama, like maybe a war or mafia movie... --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Can you say "paranoia?" Sheesh! You've been watching too many > X-Files > episodes, buddy. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > To: Michael Jay , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > > cc: > From: ITM > Date: 08/04/99 03:08:16 PM GMT > Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press > Release: Poli > ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) > > > > > Well of course Big brother could track most people down through the > net following ip addresses. Luckily > I'm not trying to hide from him. But as far as most > internet users go, i'm pretty much not findable without someone > breaking the law. > > theoretically one could pay cash for isp service and > use fake info (you have to provide money more than > you do ID), and then never put their real info > on the net. So it's not all that hard. > > Oh and once your name gets on one list, it shouldn't > be hard for that company to share their list. Like > maybe a DC bike shop gets this list, then decides > to sell all it's names to another list, such as a > car shop.. I swear, spam is almost like VD now adays. > And then, also, people on the net just don't need > to know my full name or address or phone number.. > That'll avoid prank phone calls, or maybe avoid some pissed off > psychopath that I flamed hehe. > > For everyone who wants to post their information, > why not include you DOB, SSN, driv. lisc #, CC info > and whatever else :) > > Hey has anyone been to that 1-800 us search site? > that looks kind of scary.. it looks like it woudln't > take much for a person to get your name, and just a little other > info, like a previous address, and get > all the rest of the info above. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:33:05 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03541 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-237-19.s19.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.237.19]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24710 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 99 15:29:35 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: bike parking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, it _IS_ a Guzzi, and the owners are known for being more than a little odd, so it might be intentional? I guess I should shut up now, right? Oh, ran into the guy who owns wfo.com today, seems pretty nice, even if the web site is useless. Rides a duc 900ssSP. greg --- On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:24:17 -0700 "Coleman, Perry" wrote: >Lisa, > >Have you tried leaving a nice note asking the person, politely, to share the >space? > >Perry > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lisa S. Goddard [SMTP:Lisa@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 2:00 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: bike parking >> >> For the second day in a row: >> >> Thanks to the red Moto Guzzi for using the entire bike parking space for >> him or herself.... >> >> (the space that I usually have no problem sharing with two other bikes) >> Lisa Goddard, MIS Specialist >> Kivex.com, an Alleginace Telecom company >> Unlock the power of the Internet! > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/4/99 HSTA/AMA 3:29:35 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 15:59:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04110 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-130.patriot.net [209.249.180.130]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22135; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <37A89AB8.D3559FC2@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:55:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carb Cleaning References: <852567C3.0059D5AE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're in luck - many carbs, so take ONE apart and blast it out with cab cleaner (wear safety glasses). Might want to check with a Kawi shop to insure the various soft parts will survive carb cleaner. Then reassemble ONE carb and set all the settables to spec (see factory manual or the like). The luck part? If you sorta forget who it goes back together, carefull take apart #2 and use it as a visual aid. By #4 you should be a pro. Next year use Stabil or any one of a dozen fuel stabilizers available at cycle and marine stores. Or just ride the dern thing. DC isn't Alaska - there's always warm days. Bill mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok, here is your chance to help a budding mechanic. My 85 Kawasaki ZL 600 > has been running like crap so I decided to clean the carbs (I left gas in > it over the winter). They are off the bike? Now what? How do I clean > them and what should I use? > > TIA > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 17:29:11 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05738 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11C8XP-0004eI-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:25:27 -0400 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23985; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Question Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bedec0$284a07e0$afc809c0@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Collin Wrote: but unless somethings changed since a month ago, I don't think he will be able to reply to you...if you must know the reason, please email me direct....not really polite to discuss the reasons on a public forum... Well, if he left his underwear there, something must've have changed ... maybe it has changed his direction :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 18:05:15 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06452 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-118-114.s114.tnt13.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.118.114]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27477 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:05:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Wheelin' and dealin' Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:05:09 -0400 Message-ID: <005101bedec5$6b259020$7746accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I've run the credit union gantlet and have gotten approval to buy my new dual sport bike. Making the deal seems a little difficult, though. I hate haggling. The bike is a Y2K model and has an MSRP of $3999 (or so, I'm not sure). I offered $4000 out the door, everything included (tax, title, tags, freight, who-know-what-else). We haggled for a while, I'm not even sure how close we got (within $200, I think), but we didn't hit the magic number. I walked out, but I have doubts. Did I make a reasonable offer? Should I have been willing to pay some of the extra costs? Did I mention I hate haggling? They (Freestate cycle) are the only dealer in the area that has one of these bikes right now. Other dealers will have them eventually. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 18:15:44 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06654 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-216-235.s235.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.235]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01186; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , Cc: Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: <01bededf$afc13260$ebd87ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 As well as the immortal Ron Jeremy! Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan To: ttboye@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Question >LOL.. nice email addy and screen name... > >anyhow.. if you are serious about getting in touch with Jack, he >changed his email to wantazx6r@XXXXXX (I think too many dcc types were >flaming him) or something along those lines... but unless somethings >changed since a month ago, I don't think he will be able to reply to >you...if you must know the reason, please email me direct....not really >polite to discuss the reasons on a public forum... > >Collin > >ps: say hi to Peter N. for me ;-) > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Theodore T. Boye >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:50 PM >> Subject: Question >> >> >> > Does anybody know how to get in touch with Jack (formerly >> > wantazx6@XXXXXX)? He's not responding to my messages and I need >> to >> > get in touch. >> > >> > He left his underwear at my place last night. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > -- >> > Theodore > >=== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 18:31:23 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06968 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nKUIa22757 (4228); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4204f37b.24da18f3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:30:11 EDT Subject: Re: Wheelin' and dealin' To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 WAIT !!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 4 18:37:32 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07085 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11C9ev-0000b1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:37:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 00:27:38 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13326 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0121.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.153]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA15243 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37A93ECA.2C9C@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:35:38 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Welcome Back Gil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, yeah I'm a bit slow in responding - D-mode here folks - but the very night Gil first posted (in a long while) I was wondering about our Dyna-Buell-Boy ;) Glad to see you here again Gil - even if you no longer have a sport bike ;^P JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 01:20:32 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14353 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2EYMa00254 (4236) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85bc382a.24da78eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:19:39 EDT Subject: Re: Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/4/99 1:51:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ttboye@XXXXXX writes: << He left his underwear at my place last night >> you're guaranteed more response than you could ever hope for with THAT comment! LOL Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 01:24:06 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14392 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19874 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 05:34:02 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 05:34:02 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA05246; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:20:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:20:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199908050520.BAA05246@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:oil slick On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:28:56 -0700 (PDT) ITM wrote: >I was at the corner of first street and conneticut avenue yesterday >and hit someone's small oil puddle (snip) >Figured I might as well remind you guys that these things are out >there. Ride safe, be careful. The other week,my father and I had an incident on the Beltway(in his cage,fortunately). We had just crossed the Woodrow Wilson heading east when we smelled deisel fuel. Just a couple yards down the road was a semi on the right shoulder and a puddle of liquid in the right lane. Dad slowed down and we wound up skating through a puddle of deisel. The cage handled funny for a few miles until the tires were scrubbed clean,but if we'd been on our bikes it would've been ugly. Fortunately,we saw flashing lights coming in the distance,so hopefully the lane was closed before a two-wheeler hit it. What he said. Be careful. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 01:27:30 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14477 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21213 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 05:37:27 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 05:37:27 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA05401; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:24:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:24:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199908050524.BAA05401@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ceSeek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:05:41 -0400 Todd Peer wrote: >> Also, is it really true each Intel Pentium III chip has a unique >> identifier >> sorta like network cards do? Do you think that can uniquely identify me to >> include cross-referencing my chip code, my ISP, and any other >> site I visit? > >For this reason I naively refuse, due to paranoid delusions of big brother >conspiracies, to not buy a PIII. Actually,the latest versions are supposed to have a dip switch or summat so you can turn the ID off(read about this on CNet.com). >Until it gets past 700mHZ :) Slahdot had a piece on some company that should have a 750M out this fall...and a 1G by next spring! The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 01:49:10 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14861 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29735 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 05:59:07 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 05:59:07 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA28727; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:45:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:45:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199908050545.BAA28727@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Welcome Back Gil On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:35:38 -0700 "John C. Kozyn" wrote: >Glad to see you here again Gil - even if you no longer have a sport bike Never stopped Glenn from going on WSDYMF rides. This beastie isn't too bad in the twisties. It's main prob is too much weight(ex:the tie rod connecting the brake pedal to the master cylinder could be used by a Beemer as a driveshaft). Was going to hop up the motor and do tire/suspension upgrades. But it looks like I'll be getting a remote tour either this fall or next spring. If I do,I can get one of those Y2K FXDX's for MSRP from AAFEES. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 02:03:07 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA15810 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1988 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 06:13:03 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 06:13:03 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA29230; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:59:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:59:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199908050559.BAA29230@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Local Shops I noticed that Colman's is now an authorised Ducati dealer. Quick poll:how many on this list would let them work on your 996? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 06:58:48 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20585 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24986 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGYWD>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87D6@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Illusion of Privacy in the Computer Age (Press Release: Poli ce Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:03:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The Man writes: >For everyone who wants to post their information, >why not include you DOB, SSN, driv. lisc #, CC info >and whatever else :) Redundant, anyone who buys a new computer has likely a unique key embedded in the central processor such that a cross-walk with that chip and the credit card that was most likely used to buy it already provides that info. That is just the easy way that comes to mind, there are likely others. >Hey has anyone been to that 1-800 us search site? >that looks kind of scary.. it looks like it woudln't >take much for a person to get your name, and just a little other >info, like a previous address, and get >all the rest of the info above. That is just the obvious. The only real security is to live a life that could be printed above the fold. Also, I made the conscious decision to be a part of the net community, if I wanted to "go to ground" I would avoid public networks. Happy fish bowl, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 07:07:25 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20757 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:04:15 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C167@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Gil Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Local Shops Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:04:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hell, I wouldn't even let them touch my 84 Magna much less if I had a Duc. Glenn > I noticed that Colman's is now an authorised Ducati dealer. Quick poll:how >many on this list would let them work on your 996? From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 09:18:29 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23685 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FFZ001DBU7I1P@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:16:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA18870; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:17:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990805131629.YNAO27369@[166.41.251.160]>; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:16:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:14:31 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' In-reply-to: <005101bedec5$6b259020$7746accf@oemcomputer> To: LindaT , DC-CYCLES Message-id: <000101bedf44$7469e620$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal There are a couple of variables you are leaving out. 1) What is the Model Number (KLR250), 2) who is the manufacturer (Kawasaki), 3) how many units are on the floor, 4) what do you believe to be the actual dealer cost for the unit? The price can also be determined by how popular the model is, or what the market will bear. But it's unlikely that, w/o a little research, you are going to know what the current market is. So, work with what you do know. To begin with, the thing you should be negotiating is the actual price of the bike. You're a customer that has nothing to do with the operation of Freestate. But from their point of view, you are someone who wants something they have and you become an excellent candidate for passing some of their costs onto, like freight. Don't allow this. Simply refuse it. Vehicle manufacturers insist on marketing their products through franchising, so let them deal with how they get their product to market. If you didn't buy the bike, would you pay the freight? However, if you buy the bike you should be willing to take on the costs of owning it (ie, title, tax, tags, insurance, etc..), so this really shouldn't be a negotiable point. Trying to use these costs puts you at a disadvantage because these costs are normally associated with ownership. So, the thing you should be negotiating is the actual price of the bike. Some things to keep in mind. The actual cost of the bike and what the dealer wants (MSRP) isn't usually that far apart for motorcycles. But there is enough in this spread to pay the salesperson and the dealership. You can assume the salesperson is usually paid around 15% of the spread, so if the spread is $1,200 on a $5,300 CB750 and you actually pay $5,300, the salesperson gets $180 for his trouble, the dealer gets the rest, or $1,020. This is why you should refuse that freight! In your case, the MSRP is $3,999. My guess is that it costs a dealer around $2,400-2,600 to bring this bike to the floor. Wheelin and dealin requires research, study, and the willingness to walk away. Todd (used to sell them) ps. Be willing to travel. Call some WV and PA dealerships where there is sure to be a good selection of dirt bikes/ATVS > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:05 PM > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: Wheelin' and dealin' > > > I've run the credit union gantlet and have gotten approval to buy my new > dual sport bike. Making the deal seems a little difficult, > though. I hate > haggling. > > The bike is a Y2K model and has an MSRP of $3999 (or so, I'm not sure). I > offered $4000 out the door, everything included (tax, title, > tags, freight, > who-know-what-else). > > We haggled for a while, I'm not even sure how close we got (within $200, I > think), but we didn't hit the magic number. I walked out, but I have > doubts. > > Did I make a reasonable offer? Should I have been willing to pay some of > the extra costs? Did I mention I hate haggling? They (Freestate > cycle) are > the only dealer in the area that has one of these bikes right now. Other > dealers will have them eventually. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 09:38:13 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24029 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990805133746.12471.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.226] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 06:37:46 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' To: DC-CYCLES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, don't feel bad about the offer beign too low. I personally would do some web searches first, and call lots of dealers in the phone book in the area too, asking them their out the door price. If they say come in, I'd say "with whom am I speaking? I live too far away, that's why i want the out the door price, if the price is right i will travel, so can you go check on that for me?" and then "and that includes everything, no added costs, just so we are clear right?" Personally i'd rather call around and see who offered the out the door price, I'm not into haggling either. I'd be more inclined to buy a used bike a few years old than go buy something new and take the biggest value depreciation.. with the exception as if I had plenty of money and could pay all cash and wouldn't miss at all, what i paid for the bike. Besides, I don't think dual sports change that much from year to year, so I don't know of anything special for a y2k model but then I don't know much :) --- Todd Peer wrote: > There are a couple of variables you are leaving out. 1) What is > the Model > Number (KLR250), 2) who is the manufacturer (Kawasaki), 3) how many > units > are on the floor, 4) what do you believe to be the actual dealer > cost for > the unit? > > The price can also be determined by how popular the model is, or > what the > market will bear. But it's unlikely that, w/o a little research, > you are > going to know what the current market is. So, work with what you > do know. > > To begin with, the thing you should be negotiating is the actual > price of > the bike. > > You're a customer that has nothing to do with the operation of > Freestate. > But from their point of view, you are someone who wants something > they have > and you become an excellent candidate for passing some of their > costs onto, > like freight. Don't allow this. Simply refuse it. Vehicle > manufacturers > insist on marketing their products through franchising, so let them > deal > with how they get their product to market. If you didn't buy the > bike, > would you pay the freight? > > However, if you buy the bike you should be willing to take on the > costs of > owning it (ie, title, tax, tags, insurance, etc..), so this really > shouldn't > be a negotiable point. Trying to use these costs puts you at a > disadvantage > because these costs are normally associated with ownership. > > So, the thing you should be negotiating is the actual price of the > bike. > Some things to keep in mind. The actual cost of the bike and what > the > dealer wants (MSRP) isn't usually that far apart for motorcycles. > But there > is enough in this spread to pay the salesperson and the dealership. > You can > assume the salesperson is usually paid around 15% of the spread, so > if the > spread is $1,200 on a $5,300 CB750 and you actually pay $5,300, the > salesperson gets $180 for his trouble, the dealer gets the rest, or > $1,020. > This is why you should refuse that freight! > > In your case, the MSRP is $3,999. My guess is that it costs a > dealer around > $2,400-2,600 to bring this bike to the floor. Wheelin and dealin > requires > research, study, and the willingness to walk away. > > Todd (used to sell them) > > ps. Be willing to travel. Call some WV and PA dealerships where > there is > sure to be a good selection of dirt bikes/ATVS > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:05 PM > > To: DC-CYCLES > > Subject: Wheelin' and dealin' > > > > > > I've run the credit union gantlet and have gotten approval to buy > my new > > dual sport bike. Making the deal seems a little difficult, > > though. I hate > > haggling. > > > > The bike is a Y2K model and has an MSRP of $3999 (or so, I'm not > sure). I > > offered $4000 out the door, everything included (tax, title, > > tags, freight, > > who-know-what-else). > > > > We haggled for a while, I'm not even sure how close we got > (within $200, I > > think), but we didn't hit the magic number. I walked out, but I > have > > doubts. > > > > Did I make a reasonable offer? Should I have been willing to pay > some of > > the extra costs? Did I mention I hate haggling? They (Freestate > > cycle) are > > the only dealer in the area that has one of these bikes right > now. Other > > dealers will have them eventually. > > > > LindaT. > > 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) > > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 09:38:41 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24038 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FFZ0017BV55PB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:36:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA04510; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:32:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990805133640.YUJB27369@[166.41.251.160]>; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:36:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:34:42 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Local Shops In-reply-to: <199908050559.BAA29230@musone.chek.com> To: Gil Nissley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000301bedf47$46186af0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Just an FYI, Cycle Sport and Coleman Powersport were both sold to new owners this past spring as reported in WRMT (Motorcycle Times). The new owners were not named. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil Nissley [mailto:dynaryder@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 1:59 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re:Local Shops > > > I noticed that Colman's is now an authorised Ducati dealer. > Quick poll:how many on this list would let them work on your 996? > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertable > > > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 09:46:21 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24233 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15185 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' In-Reply-To: <000101bedf44$7469e620$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > In your case, the MSRP is $3,999. My guess is that it costs a dealer > around $2,400-2,600 to bring this bike to the floor. Wheelin and > dealin requires research, study, and the willingness to walk away. I'm betting that dealer cost is more like $3,200-3,500. They don't make much profit on bikes in that category. To give you an idea - dealer cost for a Y2K KLX300 is $4,062 and MSRP is $4,699. www.cyclebuy.com will give you dealer cost info, including actual freight charged by the manufacturer. It's $9.95 a pop. FWIW, I got the KLX for $4,299 at Heyser (no KLRs though). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 10:51:57 1999 Return-Path: X96MATTESON@XXXXXX Received: from gw.wmich.edu (gw.wmich.edu [141.218.1.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25263 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eeyore.cc.wmich.edu (PMDF_BATCH@XXXXXX [141.218.20.103]) by gw.wmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20311 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by WMICH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #39524) id <01JEEM8RZ42O90N03A@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:51:52 EDT Received: from WMICH.EDU by WMICH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #39524) id <01JEEM8RPSDI8WWG0J@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:51:51 -0400 (EDT) From: x96matteson@XXXXXX Subject: R1 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know any shops or person's with an R1 for sale?? I want to get the Red/Black/White edition of it. I purchased my '95 YZF this spring and want to add an R1 to my collection also. Let me know, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 11:12:53 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25660 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm2a-97.his.com [216.200.82.97]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23470 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990805110810.008ea6f0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:08:10 -0400 To: DC-CYCLES From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' In-Reply-To: References: <000101bedf44$7469e620$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 8/5/99 -0400, Kirk Roy wrote: >On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Todd Peer wrote: >> In your case, the MSRP is $3,999. My guess is that it costs a dealer >> around $2,400-2,600 to bring this bike to the floor. Wheelin and >> dealin requires research, study, and the willingness to walk away. > >I'm betting that dealer cost is more like $3,200-3,500. I used to work for a honda dealer. The profit on new stuff was only about %15 average. No much $ is to be made in selling new bikes. We made a killing on the used stuff, but nobody is going to get rich selling brand new bikes. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 11:19:33 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25749 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FFZ00ITDZDMBN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:08:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA02899 for ; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:06:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990805150808.HAF27369@[166.41.251.160]> for ; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:08:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:06:10 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Titanium Pro-25 To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <000701bedf54$0d32ea00$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Radio Shack sells the personal audio headset known as the Pro-25, w/a titanium layered diaphragm. These are exceptional speakers with frequency response of between 15-25,000 Hz. The bass is awsome. They usually sell for $40 at RS, and sometimes go on sale for $20. I was just fiddling with the pair I own and notice that the jack had KOSS written on it. That's right, these are a KOSS headset marketed through Radio-Shack. The good news is you can get these headsets through KOSS for $19.99 at http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/HomeCatalog and click on portable stereophones. The model is the KTX-PRO. Just FYI to those who enjoy tunes while riding. Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 11:41:52 1999 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26109 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id cEJWa22972 (4539); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:40:25 EDT Subject: Re: R1 To: x96matteson@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Last time I went to Valley Cycle (Winchester, Rt. 50), they had both R1's (1) & R6's (2). All in the red/black/white variety. They are probably willing to deal also! I''ve had good luck with them. They did the clutch basket recall on my R1 and finished it 2 days before they promised. Good luck! Tom T. 98 R1 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 11:45:37 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26264 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C194@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Todd Peer'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Titanium Pro-25 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:42:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) That's typical of Radio Shack to sell Koss headphones as they have been doing it for many years. They also sell rebadged Sony and/or Pioneer CD players. They really don't make anything they sell with their name on it. Glenn (former RS employee) >Radio Shack sells the personal audio headset known as the Pro-25, w/a >titanium layered diaphragm. These are exceptional speakers with frequency >response of between 15-25,000 Hz. The bass is awsome. They usually sell >for $40 at RS, and sometimes go on sale for $20. >I was just fiddling with the pair I own and notice that the jack had KOSS >written on it. That's right, these are a KOSS headset marketed through >Radio-Shack. The good news is you can get these headsets through KOSS for >$19.99 at http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/HomeCatalog and click on >portable stereophones. The model is the KTX-PRO. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 11:46:40 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26274 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990805154549.162.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:45:49 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: R1 To: x96matteson@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some jerkoff had one advertised in the Post last week for $13k. Felt like calling him up just for kicks to tell him they're $9500 out the door....and aren't made by H-D. I always see 1-2 of them in Saturday's Post, though. Have a look this week. --- x96matteson@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone know any shops or person's with an R1 for > sale?? I want to get the > Red/Black/White edition of it. I purchased my '95 > YZF this spring and want > to add an R1 to my collection also. > > Let me know, > > Ryan _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 11:46:52 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26284 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 5 Aug 99 15:46:39 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa00044; Thu, 05 Aug 99 15:46:32 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:46:31 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Titanium Pro-25 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:46:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) And speaking of... while roaming, if you go to the bottom of the portable stereophones page, you'll notice a powered EQ/amp for portable products... for those of you who are wearing earplugs while riding and listening to music... :P FYI.. Brian > -----Original Message----- http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/HomeCatalog > and click on > portable stereophones. The model is the KTX-PRO. > > Just FYI to those who enjoy tunes while riding. > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 11:46:56 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26294 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:40:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Titanium Pro-25 (and Koss Plug) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:40:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of Koss headphones, one of the other lists I'm on is raving about the Koss Plug ($20) which is a combination headphones/ear plug (though the soft foam plugs that come with it suck). Buy a set of drugstore ear plugs, melt a hole through a couple with a heated needle, insert them in place of the supplied foam, insert in ear, turn _down_ walkman (no need for an amp), and yer ready to go. You can find them at CompUSA, but hurry, on hand stock only, cause they're back-ordered from Koss for a couple of months. I like mine, when they stay in place they really rock, and I normally hate headphones. Mnie just keep falling out (must have defective ears, or something). -Mark '83 V65 Magna (and RW, if yer on this list, I got yer buck right here...) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 11:06 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Titanium Pro-25 > > > Radio Shack sells the personal audio headset known as the Pro-25, w/a > titanium layered diaphragm. These are exceptional speakers > with frequency > response of between 15-25,000 Hz. The bass is awsome. They > usually sell > for $40 at RS, and sometimes go on sale for $20. > > I was just fiddling with the pair I own and notice that the > jack had KOSS > written on it. That's right, these are a KOSS headset > marketed through > Radio-Shack. The good news is you can get these headsets > through KOSS for > $19.99 at http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/HomeCatalog > and click on > portable stereophones. The model is the KTX-PRO. > > Just FYI to those who enjoy tunes while riding. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 12:11:21 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26661 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-91.s91.tnt1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.91]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id MAA06232 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bedf5d$1ad87ae0$5b4daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Fw: YSR Races at Monrovia Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:10:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Here's the schedule for the YSR races. See ya, Brian N -----Original Message----- From: paul masich To: brn626@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 10:22 PM Subject: Re: YSR Races at Monrovia > >Brian, > Saturday Sprint races: > Gates open: 8:30 > Registration & Tech: 9:30 > Riders meeting: 10:15 > Practice: 10:30 to 11:45 > Race : 12 noon > > Sunday Endurance: > Gates open: 7:30 > Regis & Tech: 8:30 > Riders meeting: 9:15 > practice: 9:30 > Race: 11:30 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 12:20:59 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from sjc3-2.relay.mail.uu.net (sjc3-2.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26902 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhayz15818; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:21:47 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567C4.0059DD55 ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:21:33 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: x96matteson@XXXXXX cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567C4.0059DC7D.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:19:22 -0400 Subject: Re: R1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I think a guy on the DCSportbike club/list is selling one. Post here and I'm sure you'll get a response! : ) http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 x96matteson@XXXXXX on 08/05/99 10:51:51 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: R1 Anyone know any shops or person's with an R1 for sale?? I want to get the Red/Black/White edition of it. I purchased my '95 YZF this spring and want to add an R1 to my collection also. Let me know, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 12:28:49 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26987 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 5 Aug 99 16:28:41 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa002bq; Thu, 05 Aug 99 16:28:39 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:28:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: MC communications.. Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:28:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Someone was at Todd Peers house with a communication system - I can't recall if it was his 2nd DC-Cycles party, the Daytona party.. or something else... Anyway, It was a Motorola Talkabout Plus radio with head-set and ptt setup for the motorcycle.. I was just curious where that was obtained, and what kind of $$$ I'd be looking at for a similar set-up. (kinda nice for both the race-track and general riding) Thanks, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 12:38:53 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27222 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990805163931.23554.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:39:31 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MC communications.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That was Chris Meier and it was the Daytona 200 party. Those things keep coming down in price...back then they were $125 or so, but I've seen them down in the $80 range since. Coleman's Falls Church sells them, but if you'd rather not have a sore bunghole, I'll pick one up for you from a friend who sells that type of stuff. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Someone was at Todd Peers house with a communication > system - I can't recall > if it was his 2nd DC-Cycles party, the Daytona > party.. or something else... > > Anyway, It was a Motorola Talkabout Plus radio with > head-set and ptt setup > for the motorcycle.. I was just curious where that > was obtained, and what > kind of $$$ I'd be looking at for a similar set-up. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 12:41:41 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27285 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" , "'Chris Meier'" Subject: RE: MC communications.. Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:41:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I was actually more interested in the set-up arround the radio thingy.. the headsets and whatnot... I'll let you know if I need the motorolla part... thanks Brian > -----Original Message----- > > That was Chris Meier and it was the Daytona 200 party. > > Those things keep coming down in price...back then > they were $125 or so, but I've seen them down in the > $80 range since. Coleman's Falls Church sells them, > but if you'd rather not have a sore bunghole, I'll > pick one up for you from a friend who sells that type > of stuff. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 12:42:12 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27362 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user65.anent.com [208.195.115.65]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA04735; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:37:58 -0400 Message-ID: <025d01bedf61$7fda7e80$4173c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" References: Subject: Re: MC communications.. Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:42:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I believe that was Chris Meier. At the Daytona gathering. Chris? > Someone was at Todd Peers house with a communication system - I can't recall > if it was his 2nd DC-Cycles party, the Daytona party.. or something else... > > Anyway, It was a Motorola Talkabout Plus radio with head-set and ptt setup > for the motorcycle.. I was just curious where that was obtained, and what > kind of $$$ I'd be looking at for a similar set-up. (kinda nice for both > the race-track and general riding) > > Thanks, > > Brian McCoy > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 12:48:43 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27450 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02842; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:48:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990805124418.01563f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:47:59 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" From: Troutman Subject: Re: MC communications.. Cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:28 PM 8/5/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Someone was at Todd Peers house with a communication system - I can't recall >if it was his 2nd DC-Cycles party, the Daytona party.. or something else... > >Anyway, It was a Motorola Talkabout Plus radio with head-set and ptt setup >for the motorcycle.. I was just curious where that was obtained, and what >kind of $$$ I'd be looking at for a similar set-up. (kinda nice for both >the race-track and general riding) Brian - It wasn't me, but I recently bought a set of similar communicators at best buy for $80 in a two-pack. The Motorola version (identical) runs $110 each. No idea why there is such a price difference. I tried buying 2 of the PTT mic sets, but they didn't seem to work for riding very well. You have to reach up and push the button, which is small, and hope there is not too much wind noise upsetting the mic. If anyone knows of a VOX headset that works with these things, that would rock! The nice thing about this setup is that they are general purpose, cheap, and range 2 miles! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 12:51:41 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27550 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990805165123.6427.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:51:23 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: MC communications.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" , "'Chris Meier'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Owww....Autocomm....owww again. Get out yer wallet, brother, and reach deep. Not surprising, CPS sells those too; so does Battley in G-Burg. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > I was actually more interested in the set-up arround > the radio thingy.. the > headsets and whatnot... I'll let you know if I need > the motorolla part... > thanks > > Brian _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 13:18:35 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27995 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:18:31 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: MC communications.. Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:18:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) can't be any worse than this.. http://www.radiosound.com/ > -----Original Message----- > > Owww....Autocomm....owww again. > > Get out yer wallet, brother, and reach deep. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 13:23:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28074 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA17123; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:22:02 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001430; Thu, 5 Aug 99 13:07:47 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG0007M85165Z@XXXXXX>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C4.005DEF29 ; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:06:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:54:03 -0400 Subject: Re: R1 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Cc: x96matteson@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C4.005DD15C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I saw that ad too. If it's in good shape, it's a huge honking deal, too. He had all sorts of performance stuff done to it. From seeing some of the dc-sportbike bikes, I suspect it's in really cherry shape, with the possible exception of the steering head bearings and chain... ;^) Since posing is a big part of that scene, cosmetic appearance should be pretty good, if possibly a bit tacky (neon logos, polished frame, purple or green windscreen, etc.). Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 I think a guy on the DCSportbike club/list is selling one. Post here and I'm sure you'll get a response! : ) http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 13:44:03 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28461 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:42:26 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:42:08 -0400 Message-Id: <37A9CD66.1B20E43D@trw.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:44:10 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: R1 References: <19990805154549.162.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also saw an SV650 for sale...the guy wants $6500 for the bike and two helmets. It says "must sell" at the end of the ad. I say,"You must stop smoking crack before you call the newspaper to place your ad." Tom Gimer wrote: > Some jerkoff had one advertised in the Post last week > for $13k. Felt like calling him up just for kicks to > tell him they're $9500 out the door....and aren't made > by H-D. > > I always see 1-2 of them in Saturday's Post, though. > Have a look this week. > > --- x96matteson@XXXXXX wrote: > > Anyone know any shops or person's with an R1 for > > sale?? I want to get the > > Red/Black/White edition of it. I purchased my '95 > > YZF this spring and want > > to add an R1 to my collection also. > > > > Let me know, > > > > Ryan > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG voice(703) 648-0122 fax (703) 648-2448 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 14:06:49 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28924 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990805180555.20424.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:05:55 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: R1 To: Randy Moran , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd say he was rolling on X, but your point is well taken. To use the 'must sell' language, it is usually best to ask for less than MSRP of a new bike, accompanied by 'obo.' --- Randy Moran wrote: > I also saw an SV650 for sale...the guy wants $6500 > for the bike and two > helmets. It says "must sell" at the end of the ad. > > I say,"You must stop smoking crack before you call > the newspaper to > place your ad." > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Some jerkoff had one advertised in the Post last > week > > for $13k. Felt like calling him up just for kicks > to > > tell him they're $9500 out the door....and aren't > made > > by H-D. > > > > I always see 1-2 of them in Saturday's Post, > though. > > Have a look this week. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 14:07:12 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28933 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02979; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:06:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990805140443.018cbe10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:06:20 -0400 To: Randy Moran From: Troutman Subject: Re: R1 Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <37A9CD66.1B20E43D@trw.com> References: <19990805154549.162.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:44 PM 8/5/99 , Randy Moran wrote: >I also saw an SV650 for sale...the guy wants $6500 for the bike and two >helmets. It says "must sell" at the end of the ad. > >I say,"You must stop smoking crack before you call the newspaper to >place your ad." Speaking of smoking crack - I would love to be the supplier for the National Weather Service. I use Yahoo for weather - which gets its data directly from NWS. Last night at midnight the forecast for today was baiscally all sun, perfect. Just now I check and I see "widely scatterd thunderstorms, 20% chance of rain". Drugs are dangerous when used improperly. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 14:12:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29043 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10861 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA20818 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA15166 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:12:12 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:12:12 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:33:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know if this stuff is sold locally? Mobil sells it directly on their web site, but at $47 per six-pack, I'll pass. Thanks for any info Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 14:14:40 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29080 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user65.anent.com [208.195.115.65]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA05375 for ; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:10:35 -0400 Message-ID: <040001bedf6e$6fe926e0$4173c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <199907281938.AA20840754@tidalwave.net> Subject: Cutting windscreen - Thanks Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:14:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Okay, I did it. Whacked the hell out of it. I think it looks pretty good. This was an aftermarket screen for my VFR800 that came up _way_ too high and just caused a lot of turbulence. I basically cut it down to match the height of the factory screen (clear, new one is dark smoke). And although the edge needs to be sanded a lot more overall it looks better than the original. Thanks to everyone who replied. I got lots of helpful tips, especially from Dale and Leon. Bruce From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 14:38:37 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from www0v.netaddress.usa.net (www0v.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29577 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3052 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 1999 18:38:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805183827.3049.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.51 by www0v via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Thu Aug 5 18:38:26 GMT 1999 Date: 5 Aug 99 14:38:26 EDT From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Measurement conversion? No moto content X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know of a site that can tell me how many acres are in a square mil= e? = Hectares? All these weird thing? TIA, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle = http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 14:51:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29887 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11317 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22401 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FG000BNX9KSFB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:48:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA23867; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:44:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990805184828.DQVB27369@[166.41.251.160]>; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:48:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:46:28 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil In-reply-to: To: "Jordan, Michael" , DC-Cycles Message-id: <001601bedf72$d393d7e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal That's insanity! And you knew it would happen didn't you? I mean if you got enough to blow on toys like motorcycles, you can certainly aford a premium price on oil!!! Some knucklehead is paying, or it wouldn't be this expensive. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:34 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > Does anyone know if this stuff is sold locally? > > Mobil sells it directly on their web site, but at $47 per six-pack, I'll > pass. > > Thanks for any info > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 14:53:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29897 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11328 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22452 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FG0008E29RQQW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:54:25 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil In-reply-to: To: "Jordan, Michael" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <002c01bedf73$f0245aa0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In Winchester it's available at AutoZone. Don't know if there is one in your area. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:34 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > Does anyone know if this stuff is sold locally? > > Mobil sells it directly on their web site, but at $47 per six-pack, I'll > pass. > > Thanks for any info > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 14:56:58 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29931 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA18203 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:56:34 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:56:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc Subject: RE: Measurement conversion? No moto content Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:56:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Anyone know of a site that can tell me how many acres are in a >square mile? Hectares? All these weird thing? No site, but 640 acres per square mile (called a "Section" out west - it explains why all the straight roads cross each other at 1 mile intervals) Michael J. (P.S. - that works out to 43,560 Sq. Ft per acre) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:15:58 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00490 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 5 Aug 99 19:11:12 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa004jL; Thu, 05 Aug 99 19:11:07 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:11:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc Subject: RE: Measurement conversion? No moto content Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:10:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Damn.. where's collin when you need him? I wanna know what it is in square mm... :P Brian > -----Original Message----- > > No site, but 640 acres per square mile (called a "Section" > out west - it > explains why all the straight roads cross each other at 1 > mile intervals) > > Michael J. > > (P.S. - that works out to 43,560 Sq. Ft per acre) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:23:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00585 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11602 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23275 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id PAA22805 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id PAA22791 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id PAA17906 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ncaimail1.bcbsnca.com (ncaimail1.bcbsnca.com [192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id PAA17897 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908051931.PAA17897@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:19:00 -0400 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil To: "Jordan, Michael" , DC-Cycles X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Buy the Mobil 1 "car" stuff and save money. I've run the 15w-50 in my EX500 and F4 with no problems. Brad -----Original Message----- From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:34 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil ---------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know if this stuff is sold locally? Mobil sells it directly on their web site, but at $47 per six-pack, I'll pass. Thanks for any info Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:24:13 1999 Return-Path: bee@XXXXXX Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (newmtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.180]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00595 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06052; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:46:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bee@XXXXXX) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: "Jordan, Michael" cc: dc Subject: RE: Measurement conversion? No moto content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I pulled out my handy-dandy HP 48SX calculator, and within UNITS-AREA, I find that there are 640 acres in a U.S. square mile, whereas there are 639.997440003 acres in a normal square mile(?), and that, assuming 'HA' is the abbreviation for hectares, 1 acre is .404687260987 hectares, ergo 258.998811034 hectares in a square mile (258.999847032 in a U.S. square mile). Overall, we can convert between M^2, CM^2, B, YD^2, FT^2, IN^2, KM^2, HA, A, MI^2, MIUS^2, and ACRE. And no, I don't know what all those abbreviations are. Calculator rental is available for a nominal fee... HTH Brian. (ride-less at the mo', considering a Guzzi!) On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > >Anyone know of a site that can tell me how many acres are in a >square > mile? Hectares? All these weird thing? > > No site, but 640 acres per square mile (called a "Section" out west - it > explains why all the straight roads cross each other at 1 mile intervals) > > Michael J. > > (P.S. - that works out to 43,560 Sq. Ft per acre) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:26:44 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00626 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-36.patriot.net [209.249.180.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28312; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:26:39 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9E485.B12193DF@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:22:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Norton CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen - Thanks References: <199907281938.AA20840754@tidalwave.net> <040001bedf6e$6fe926e0$4173c3d0@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've whacked on windscreens because I hate looking thru them. A used a fine mill file to dress the saw blade marks out, and then progressively finer wet/dry paper. You can get wet/dry paper down to 1600 at auto paint shops, which is plenty fine for windscreen work. I quit at 600 grit. Bill Bruce Norton wrote: > Okay, I did it. Whacked the hell out of it. I think it looks pretty good. This > was an aftermarket screen for my VFR800 that came up _way_ too high and just > caused a lot of turbulence. I basically cut it down to match the height of the > factory screen (clear, new one is dark smoke). And although the edge needs to > be sanded a lot more overall it looks better than the original. > > Thanks to everyone who replied. I got lots of helpful tips, especially from > Dale and Leon. > > Bruce From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:28:55 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00700 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA04569 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:28:42 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:28:42 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc Subject: RE: Measurement conversion? No moto content Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:28:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Damn.. where's collin when you need him? I wanna know what it >is in square mm... :P 4,046,856,422 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:32:47 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00811 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-36.patriot.net [209.249.180.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28935; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:40 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9E5EF.8C8322A9@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:28:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: dc Subject: Re: Measurement conversion? No moto content References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, the square mile grid pattern of many roads in the mid & northwest was a result of the Northwest something act of congress which defined land usage. So much for schools, churches, etc. When I lived in So Mich (not recommended - sucked) E/W roads had names like 19 mile road, 20 mile road blah, blah blah. Bill Jordan, Michael wrote: > >Anyone know of a site that can tell me how many acres are in a >square > mile? Hectares? All these weird thing? > > No site, but 640 acres per square mile (called a "Section" out west - it > explains why all the straight roads cross each other at 1 mile intervals) > > Michael J. > > (P.S. - that works out to 43,560 Sq. Ft per acre) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:38:34 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00925 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-36.patriot.net [209.249.180.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29542; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:28 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9E74A.7651F398@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:34:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LindaT CC: dc Subject: Re: Measurement conversion? No moto content References: <19990805183827.3049.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could try a dictionary - they use to have all sorts of useful conversions therein. But that was back in the good ol' days when us math/phys types carried SLIDE RULES. K&E slide rules kicked ass - bamboo cores and ivory faces. The HP caculator of it's day. Bill Books are not obsolete LindaT wrote: > Anyone know of a site that can tell me how many acres are in a square mile? > Hectares? All these weird thing? > > TIA, > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting) > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:38:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00928 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11761 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23801 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Thu Aug 05 12:41:14 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:42:09 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2856@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:34:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BEDF7A.9AD3D772" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEDF7A.9AD3D772 Content-Type: text/plain OH NO!!! Not the dreaded "Oil Thread" again!?!?!? ;^) > -----Original Message----- > From: FAAS, BRAD [SMTP:brad.faas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 4:19 PM > To: Jordan, Michael; DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > Buy the Mobil 1 "car" stuff and save money. I've run the 15w-50 in my > EX500 and F4 with no problems. > > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:34 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Does anyone know if this stuff is sold locally? > > Mobil sells it directly on their web site, but at $47 per six-pack, I'll > pass. > > Thanks for any info > > Michael J. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEDF7A.9AD3D772 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil

OH NO!!! Not the = dreaded "Oil Thread" again!?!?!? ;^)

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   FAAS, BRAD [SMTP:brad.faas@XXXXXX]
    Sent:   Thursday, August 05, 1999 4:19 PM
    To:     Jordan, Michael; DC-Cycles
    Subject:       = RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil


    Buy the Mobil 1 "car" stuff = and save money. I've run the 15w-50 in my  
    EX500 and F4 with no problems.

    Brad

     -----Original = Message-----
    From: Jordan, Michael = [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
    Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:34 = AM
    To: DC-Cycles
    Subject: Mobil 1 Motorcycle = oil


     ---------------------------------------------------= -
    Does anyone know if this stuff is = sold locally?

    Mobil sells it directly on their web = site, but at $47 per six-pack, I'll
    pass.

    Thanks for any info

    Michael J.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BEDF7A.9AD3D772-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 15:47:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01116 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11802 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA24091 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA11688 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:47:41 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:47:41 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:47:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >OH NO!!! Not the dreaded "Oil Thread" again!?!?!? ;^) Nope - just a specific inquiry as to the availability of a specific product Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 16:16:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01603 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12091 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA24844 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash24 by acs.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA14130; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:42 -0400 Received: from wash58.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA16375; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:41 -0400 Received: by WASH58 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:14:14 -0400 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE962EBE1D@WASH58> From: Jason Picton To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:14:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What exactly is the difference between car and motorcycle Mobil 1?????? -----Original Message----- From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 3:48 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil >OH NO!!! Not the dreaded "Oil Thread" again!?!?!? ;^) Nope - just a specific inquiry as to the availability of a specific product Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 16:22:58 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01690 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id QAA20518 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id QAA02556; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:22:21 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5600@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: Stolen Bikes Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:22:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain >From the Enfield Bullet Owners Club newsletter, which came today... "Late Breaking News: STOLEN ENFIELDS! We have just learned of a break-in which has resulted in a triple 'bike-napping.' Stolen from Marty Scott's storage trailer was a Beno Rodi prepared Enfield road racer, Martin Dunleavy's championship Enfield trials bike, and a stock Enfield Bullet. Speculation may not be worth much, but those two 'specials' are worth more to all of us than any thief could possible know. Who would steal an Enfield, and what would they DO with it if they did? Unfortunately, should the perpetrators of this evil deed come to realize an Enfield Bullet does not easily blend into a crowd of Japanese imports, I fear the bikes will soon be conveniently deposited into the nearest river. PLEASE keep an extra sharp eye out for any unusual activity involving Enfields; look for inconsistencies, anything which seem 'out of place,' especially if it is the face of someone you haven't met before!" I was hoping they would list the VIN's of these bikes, but they didn't. Marty can be reached at 301-638-7387. Let's hope this bastard (or bastards) gets what's coming to him. And I don't mean arrested. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 16:34:48 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01883 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03337; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:34:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990805163321.014d3f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:34:04 -0400 To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes Cc: "'dcc'" In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5600@vae820po01.nova.att .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:22 PM 8/5/99 , Crishock, Richard M, BGM wrote: > >From the Enfield Bullet Owners Club newsletter, which came today... > >"Late Breaking News: STOLEN ENFIELDS! I'm guessing that an Enfield is a bike of some sort that I have never heard of. Where were they stolen from, and what do they look like....? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 16:43:50 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02050 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA29929 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:43:38 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:43:38 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dcc'" Subject: RE: Stolen Bikes Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:43:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Who would steal an Enfield, and what would they DO with it >if they did? Either, a) Someone absolutely without a clue or b) Someone with exqusitely eclectic taste Michael (likes thumpers) J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 16:51:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02208 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12446 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26121 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf15-112.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.112]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA14864; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Jason Picton" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:48:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE962EBE1D@WASH58> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Additives! > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Picton [mailto:jip98@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 4:14 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > What exactly is the difference between car and motorcycle Mobil 1?????? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 3:48 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > >OH NO!!! Not the dreaded "Oil Thread" again!?!?!? ;^) > > Nope - just a specific inquiry as to the availability of a > specific product > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 17:10:15 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02512 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA17638 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:13:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199908052013.QAA17638@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:06:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Price!! John Newman 88 FZR 400 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Picton [mailto:jip98@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 4:14 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > What exactly is the difference between car and motorcycle Mobil 1?????? From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 17:17:46 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02672 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01386 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDG5HG>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:23:06 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87D8@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Measurement conversion? No moto content Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:23:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >No site, but 640 acres per square mile (called a "Section" out west - it >explains why all the straight roads cross each other at 1 mile intervals) Speaking of section lines: "Oklahoma where my XS raced across the plain" (sung to the tune of guess what) Memories of chicken stripe heaven, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 17:58:56 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03355 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-87-52.s52.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.87.52]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06231 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:59:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Measurement conversion? No moto content Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <006801bedf8d$b4e8efe0$7746accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87D8@tralfaz.treev.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Thanks to everyone who answer my weird query. This is what I get for contracting with a gubmint agency. One report is written in square miles and another is acres with a few hectares thrown in just to confuse me. Now I get it. Thanks again, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 18:09:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03549 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13179 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28221 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-93.patriot.net [209.249.180.93]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11902; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:56:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37AA07A7.6535C47B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:52:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: Jason Picton , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO! Two dollars a quart!!! Gary Foreman wrote: > Additives! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Picton [mailto:jip98@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 4:14 PM > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > > > > What exactly is the difference between car and motorcycle Mobil 1?????? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 3:48 PM > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: RE: Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil > > > > > > >OH NO!!! Not the dreaded "Oil Thread" again!?!?!? ;^) > > > > Nope - just a specific inquiry as to the availability of a > > specific product > > > > Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 18:16:48 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03734 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-93.patriot.net [209.249.180.93]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA13513; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:16:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37AA0C61.EDBBB6C0@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:12:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'dcc'" Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes References: <4.2.0.58.19990805163321.014d3f00@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enfield, as in Royal Enfield = Indian with a supercharger? But I believe the stolen machines were 350 singles, as in classic British thumper. Now built in India, one can still buy an Enfield 350 new. Ah yes, the classics - Enfield, Truimph (old one), BSA, Norton, or how about a - be still my heart - a Vincent! Always travel with tools, and remember Lucas's dying words - "Don't ride after dark." Bill Troutman wrote: > At 04:22 PM 8/5/99 , Crishock, Richard M, BGM wrote: > > >From the Enfield Bullet Owners Club newsletter, which came today... > > > >"Late Breaking News: STOLEN ENFIELDS! > > I'm guessing that an Enfield is a bike of some sort that I have never heard > of. Where were they stolen from, and what do they look like....? > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 23:05:19 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08506 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.167]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:58:49 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'dcc'" Subject: RE: Stolen Bikes Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:59:55 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01bedfb7$c302c360$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5600@vae820po01.nova.att.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Enfield is a nifty little bike. But.... Stolen?! Next thing you know, my Olds Diesel wagon will be stolen... Maybe they thought it was a Triumph or a Norton? BTW, catch the latest CW with the little blurb on Indian Enfields? Between that and the Rokon, CW is in danger of getting interesting. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 5 23:05:21 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08511 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.235]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:49:58 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "LindaT" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01bedfb6$86905380$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101bedf44$7469e620$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > The price can also be determined by how popular the model is, or what the > market will bear. But it's unlikely that, w/o a little research, you are > going to know what the current market is. So, work with what you do know. > > To begin with, the thing you should be negotiating is the actual price of > the bike. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! Todd, I'm surprised at you. I thought you were more libertarian than this. The ONLY thing that matters is what the bike is worth to you. The only way to 'win' at something like this is to know beforehand what that number is. In Linda's case, all things told, it is worth $4000. Plain and simple. If it's worth more to the dealer then they will never have a meeting of the minds. Therefore, no sale. The past couple of cars and bikes (and a computer or two) that I've bought, I have walked in, said "this is what I want, this is how I want it, this is how much it's worth. That's either good, or not. No hard feelings." Not sure what your experiences as a salesman have been, but I've actually had good luck with this approach. Once I've been turned down; once they hemmed and hawed a bit; most often, they've understood that I'm not bullshitting, and start filling out paperwork. Now, you are correct in saying that she should shop around. But... If she was only $200 away from the 'right' price, I'd say go for it, if the only dealer willing to come down that extra $200 or so was in PA. My time is worth something, and (in my case) wasting two to three days (a day to visit the dealer, another day to pick up bike, a third day to get tags) is way more than $200 to me. I'd also agree that you shouldn't pay freight, advertising, undercoating, etc. Vehicle sales are the only place where you are explicitly charged for overhead. Guess what? Ain't my problem. I go back to this: argue for total price, especially if you have a check from the bank. Let the dealer figure out what portion counts as taxes, title fees, etc. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 00:51:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10230 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14965 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA04088 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-214-126.s380.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.126]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA15427 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 99 00:50:02 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Weekend ride(semi-HSTA), all welcome To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii And another reminder in case people missed the earlier one. All welcome, I'll be riding fairly conservative but will have plenty of route sheets for the many who are better riders than me. greg --- On Mon, 2 Aug 99 16:33:32 EDT Greg Sachs wrote: >Just a reminder, I'm doing my second NoVa HSTA ride this weekend, going >to be starting in manassas and working around north western VA at this >point, though I may modify that. Looks like good roads, I'll be double >checking my route tomorrow to make sure. Leaving from the Manassas Old >COuntry buffet at 9:30 Sharp on saturday(66 to 234 business south, OCB is >in a shopping center on the left with a Giant). Meet for breakfast at >8:30. I'm aiming for a late lunch in front royal at 1-2. Any >suggestions for lunch spot? >Thanks, drop me a line if interested or you have any questions, and hope >to see people there. Oh, for the guys I hijacked on my last ride, this >one won't be as long, honest. >Greg >------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 8/2/99 HSTA/AMA 4:33:32 PM >------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/6/99 HSTA/AMA 12:50:02 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 08:56:44 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net (sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19067 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:56:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhbcd13122 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:57:39 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567C5.0047327F ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:57:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567C5.00473144.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:55:10 -0400 Subject: Daytona Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Anyone on the list planning on attending Bike Week in Daytona next March? Tom & I are, just wondering who else we might see down there and if anyone has recommendations, etc. for places to say, "not to miss" places, etc.... : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 09:12:38 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19375 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13917; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FG100G01ON0QK@XXXXXX>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FG100409OMTV2@XXXXXX>; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:14:40 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:10:37 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Daytona To: "'Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC7DA@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dale and I will be - > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX [SMTP:Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 8:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Daytona > > > > Anyone on the list planning on attending Bike Week in Daytona next March? > Tom & I are, just wondering who else we might see down there and if anyone > has > recommendations, etc. for places to say, "not to miss" places, etc.... : > ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 09:14:54 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19395 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567C5.00485028 ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:09:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567C5.00479C35.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:09:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Daytona Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Tom & I are, just wondering who else we might see down there and if anyone has recommendations, etc. for places to say, "not to miss" places, etc.... They usually have a motorcycle demolition derby that is not to be missed. It's usually held during one of the nights at a race track (Can't remember the name of the track, but it should be easy to find in the schedule of events.) That's right folks. You heard me right. A demolition derby on motorcycles. Just what it sounds like. People crashing into each other on bikes. Have fun Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 09:23:11 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19559 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhbcf13559; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:23:05 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567C5.00499E6E ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:24:06 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX cc: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567C5.00499D98.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:21:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Daytona Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Wow, and I thought slam-dancing when I was a teenager was wild & crazy fun! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX on 08/06/99 09:09:48 AM To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Daytona They usually have a motorcycle demolition derby that is not to be missed. It's usually held during one of the nights at a race track (Can't remember the name of the track, but it should be easy to find in the schedule of events.) That's right folks. You heard me right. A demolition derby on motorcycles. Just what it sounds like. People crashing into each other on bikes. Have fun Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 09:26:27 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19572 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Fri, 6 Aug 99 13:26:21 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa004_y; Fri, 06 Aug 99 13:26:16 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:26:15 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Daytona Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:26:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) And, as you can probably imagine, more than your fair share of HD's and very LARGE (we're talking XXXXXL men here) guys running into one another without any kind of 'gear' on... I watched it on Speedvision this year... the guy who 'won' - decided to do it at the last sec. with his only running MC...... > > That's right folks. You heard me right. A demolition derby > on motorcycles. > Just what it sounds like. People crashing into each other on bikes. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 09:26:31 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19582 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-22.patriot.net [206.29.51.174]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA30287; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37AAE195.3606C3F1@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:22:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona References: <852567C5.00473144.00@172.16.2.37> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Boot Hill Salloon is good - right across the street from a large cemetary. Check out all the ladies undergarments tacked to the rafters.A swell of cheers means that another lady has offered her frilly to the rafters :-) Bill Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone on the list planning on attending Bike Week in Daytona next March? > Tom & I are, just wondering who else we might see down there and if anyone has > recommendations, etc. for places to say, "not to miss" places, etc.... : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 09:30:08 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19751 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A35694101B8; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:29:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990806092334.00d16500@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:26:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Daytona In-Reply-To: <852567C5.00479C35.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:09 AM 8/6/99 , Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >That's right folks. You heard me right. A demolition derby on motorcycles. >Just what it sounds like. People crashing into each other on bikes. I saw that the last time I was there. Out-f***ing-rageous. Some of those riders looked like they've been doing this too long without helmets. They did it on one part of the race track. Most crashes were t-bones into the side of the other bike, behind the rider's legs. One fight almost broke out when a guy t-boned AT the rider's legs. Then there were the riders with shark fins on their helmets, and some with spikes on their helmets. Then there was the wet t-shirt / nude contest on the rolling flatbed truck going around the track. Pure Daytona. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 09:49:01 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20033 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:49:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567C5.004B7075 ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:43:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567C5.004AED4C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:43:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Daytona Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline They didn't bother to have a wet t-shirt / nude contest when I was there last. The temperature was hovering at about 32 degrees that night. Brrrrrrrr! Lots of shivering people in the stands that year. Steve Beck >>Then there were the riders with shark fins on their helmets, and some with spikes on their helmets. Then there was the wet t-shirt / nude contest on the rolling flatbed truck going around the track.<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 09:58:45 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20197 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA01767; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:59:08 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa00467; Fri, 6 Aug 99 09:58:00 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG1004JAQWW4V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C5.004C968A ; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:56:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:37:10 -0400 Subject: Retro Brit-Bikes (was RE: Stolen Bikes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C5.004C346A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You all may or may not have noticed, but Norton's also coming out with a retro naked bike in addition to the fabled Nemesis. Whether or not it actually sees production is still anyone's guess. I think I saw it in the new issue of Bike. Anyone know if we're getting the new-for-2000 Kawasaki 650 naked retro? Looks cool - a Triumph Bonneville knock-off with (gasp!) reliability... Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: George Howell Enfield is a nifty little bike. But.... Stolen?! Next thing you know, my Olds Diesel wagon will be stolen... Maybe they thought it was a Triumph or a Norton? BTW, catch the latest CW with the little blurb on Indian Enfields? Between that and the Rokon, CW is in danger of getting interesting. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 10:03:34 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20302 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990806140501.28298.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:05:01 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Broken down on I-495 To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last night, while riding back from visiting a friend in Rockville, I passed a broken down sports bike (didn't notice what brand) on I-495, outter loop, just after going under I-66, in the left hand shoulder. It was starting to get dark out. The rider was standing next to the bike, looking frustrated. I circled around since I didn't have enough room/time to pull over (ok, I was going slightly over 55 mph) and asked if he needed a ride to a phone. He looked very relieved, and told me he had a friend who lives off Gallows Road, near the hospital. I dropped him off in the parking lot, and he went running off (after thanking me profusely). Was that anyone on the list, or a friend or something? I'd just like to know if the rider got his bike and made it home okay. Louis _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 10:05:32 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20389 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:05:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhbci28327; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:05:28 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567C5.004D7F59 ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:06:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Bill Huson cc: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567C5.004D7E62.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:03:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Daytona Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline hmmm, might just have to go in there and get 'em cheering! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Bill Huson on 08/06/99 09:22:29 AM To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Daytona The Boot Hill Salloon is good - right across the street from a large cemetary. Check out all the ladies undergarments tacked to the rafters.A swell of cheers means that another lady has offered her frilly to the rafters :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 10:31:16 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20787 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990806142935.10511.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:29:35 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Daytona To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I liked the manufacturer's demo rides, which go on everyday of Daytona outside the race track (I must have gone the same year as Steve Beck -- it was cold and the race was rained out). The Harley and Buell rides were the best, because you could get back into line instead of signing up for a one-time appointment. Check out the ZX-12 and let us know what you think! Sean Sullivan --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Anyone on the list planning on attending Bike Week > in Daytona next March? > Tom & I are, just wondering who else we might see > down there and if anyone has > recommendations, etc. for places to say, "not to > miss" places, etc.... : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 10:36:27 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20882 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990806143708.28653.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.199] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:37:08 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:37:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' To: George Howell , Todd Peer , LindaT , DC-CYCLES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Howell wrote: > My time is > worth something, and (in my case) wasting two to > three days (a day to visit > the dealer, another day to pick up bike, a third day > to get tags) is way > more than $200 to me. I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why this would take more than one evening. Do your haggling on the phone to ensure that you're in the ballpark on out-the-door price; it's a new bike so there's really no need to visit the dealership ahead of time to 'look' at the bike. One trip for pick-up seems like all that is needed. The dealer should have it prepped and ready, or at least close to ready. The MVA of the purchaser's state will have the permanent tags; bike will have temp tags on it within minutes. What am I missing? -- tg _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 10:49:12 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21104 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA19998 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:52:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199908061352.JAA19998@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:45:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852567C5.004C346A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) I believe there's a section of this month's [Cycle World? the one with "Hooligan Bikes!" as the cover story] which talks about the Kawasaki 650 retro. The article said something to the effect that it will be released in England this year, but wether or not it is bound for US shores is unknown... Perhaps another lister can confirm, but I think it fairly true to the original Cafe racer style... John Newman 88 FZR 400 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX >Anyone know if we're getting the new-for-2000 Kawasaki > 650 naked retro? Looks cool - a Triumph Bonneville knock-off with (gasp!) > reliability..." > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > From: George Howell > Enfield is a nifty little bike. But.... Stolen?! Next thing you know, my > Olds Diesel wagon will be stolen... > > Maybe they thought it was a Triumph or a Norton? > > BTW, catch the latest CW with the little blurb on Indian Enfields? Between > that and the Rokon, CW is in danger of getting interesting. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 10:58:59 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21280 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.104]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:53:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Retro Brit-Bikes (was RE: Stolen Bikes) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01bee01b$9888e600$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <852567C5.004C346A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I think the Kawi is the W65, and it's actually a BSA A10 ripoff moreso than a Bonnie ripoff. As for the new 'Norton'. I'll believe it when I see it. Anyone (within reason) can make one or two bikes. Ramping up for production... A little trickier. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 11:02:39 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21409 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.104]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:57:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bee01c$26e1f040$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990806143708.28653.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not necessarily missing anything. It could work out this way. But... If you know of a dealer willing to haggle with an unknown customer over the phone for a firm price on a new bike, let me know their name. As far as tagging, that varies by dealer and state. In my experience, if I had to go to the MVA and take care of getting the tags myself, it's far from a simple experience. Anything involving a trip to the MVA is more akin to having teeth pulled with no novocaine. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why this would > take more than one evening. > > Do your haggling on the phone to ensure that you're in > the ballpark on out-the-door price; it's a new bike so > there's really no need to visit the dealership ahead > of time to 'look' at the bike. One trip for pick-up > seems like all that is needed. The dealer should have > it prepped and ready, or at least close to ready. The > MVA of the purchaser's state will have the permanent > tags; bike will have temp tags on it within minutes. > What am I missing? From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 11:04:00 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21419 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.104]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:58:43 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Retro Brit-Bikes Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: <005001bee01c$597fb3c0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908061352.JAA19998@bmdo.mcri.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The article also stated that they probably wouldn't import the bike to the US due to poor sales of the Drifter. Yeah. Because the bikes are in the same category. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 11:14:33 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21628 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990806151521.3437.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.199] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:15:21 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' To: George Howell , DC-CYCLES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn Dysart's buddy (Dave) got a firm, very low price on his 98 ZX-9R over the phone....they simply went up, put it in the back of Glenn's truck, and returned. I'd get the dealer's name for you, but I'm sure that wasn't your intention.... Maryland's MVAs have improved their speed and service to the point that it feels like a different world when you walk in. For even speedier service, visit a location like Frederick. Just don't go to ANY MVA on a Friday afternoon and you won't need that novocaine, George. -- tg --- George Howell wrote: > Not necessarily missing anything. It could work out > this way. > > But... If you know of a dealer willing to haggle > with an unknown customer > over the phone for a firm price on a new bike, let > me know their name. > > As far as tagging, that varies by dealer and state. > In my experience, if I > had to go to the MVA and take care of getting the > tags myself, it's far from > a simple experience. Anything involving a trip to > the MVA is more akin to > having teeth pulled with no novocaine. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 11:14:43 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21647 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:00:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199908061100.AA98697360@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: CB750 Project X-Mailer: Hi folks. I've got a new toy to play with at home. Even though my current ride is a new Concours (and even though I've become a bit of a chain-drive bike snob), I've still always had a soft spot for the old CB 750s. Hell, if the new Nighthawks would have been shafties, I'd be riding one now instead of the Connie. That's another topic, though. :) Anyway, here's the real story: My father-in-law brought down to my place his old project bike. It's a 1979 Honda CB750F, not in the best of shape. A little over 19,000 miles on the clock, last tagged and inspected in 1986. The original owner sold it after low-siding underneath a tractor-trailer. Only minor damage, but it scared the guy silly, so he sold out. My father-in-law has never even had it running (I'll never know why). It's been sitting in his basement for years. A short list of things I'd need to get it running: Battery Petcock Fuel lines (easy) Front Brake Lever Headlight bucket, retaining bracket and screws Things I'd like to get to make it all nice again: Tank Seat Sidecovers Rubber Carb boots (front and back, 8 total) Tail section Brake light cover Stock exhaust (it's got shorty drag pipes on it now) Anyway, just wondering how common these bikes still are (dohc, this was the second year, right?) and how hard is it finding parts for them? I'd sure like to get this thing fixed up and running nicely. Here's your opportunity to either encourage me or talk me out of it. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 11:24:47 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21851 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-246-195.s576.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.195]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25335; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 99 11:20:09 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Retro Brit-Bikes (was RE: Stolen Bikes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, George Howell X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 My reading of the Norton article implied that they were just modernized commandos, built by a guy out west, rather than the product of NMI of the 250 hp, 230 mph V8 Nemesis. I believe that if you call this guy up with 20k you get a new COmmando, and quickly. Whereas with NMI it isn't clear at all what is happening. I'm real excited by the Eller MC, the new sportbike promises to be pretty nice if they can produce-James Parker can definately design bikes, and Bob Lutz should have some idea about volume manufacturing. Time will tell. greg --- On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:54:34 -0400 George Howell wrote: >I think the Kawi is the W65, and it's actually a BSA A10 ripoff moreso than >a Bonnie ripoff. > >As for the new 'Norton'. I'll believe it when I see it. Anyone (within >reason) can make one or two bikes. Ramping up for production... A little >trickier. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/6/99 HSTA/AMA 11:20:09 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 11:26:54 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21864 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06573; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:26:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990806112532.014d2dd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:26:18 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: CB750 Project Cc: "DC Cycles" In-Reply-To: <199908061100.AA98697360@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:00 AM 8/6/99 , Horkster wrote: >Hi folks. > >I've got a new toy to play with at home. Even though my current >ride is a new Concours (and even though I've become a bit of a >chain-drive bike snob), I've still always had a soft spot for the >old CB 750s. Hell, if the new Nighthawks would have been shafties, >I'd be riding one now instead of the Connie. That's another topic, >though. :) Talk to Wes (trespassers@XXXXXX) he has an old CB750 that he _just_sold_ and probably knows some great sources. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 11:34:13 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22055 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Fri, 6 Aug 99 15:33:53 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa004lJ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 15:33:47 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:33:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:28:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) hell, even the College Park MVA is basically empty all the time. I walked in there to get a title on my XT250 several months back - and was out of there in about 15 minutes on my merry way home. Took less time when I later returned for a copy of my driving record... Now the MVA over by Upper Marlboro.. well, bring your sleeping bag, cause you're going to be camping out there for awhile (went in one Wed. after work at 4pm.. walked out at 8:30pm - this for just a title and tags). Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > > Maryland's MVAs have improved their speed and service > to the point that it feels like a different world when > you walk in. For even speedier service, visit a > location like Frederick. Just don't go to ANY MVA on > a Friday afternoon and you won't need that novocaine, > George. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 11:47:28 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22345 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05740; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801bee023$3894b6e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , "DC Cycles" References: <199908061100.AA98697360@tidalwave.net> Subject: Re: CB750 Project Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:49:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Cool bike but it needs a lot of parts that may be hard to find. The carb boots and such can be had through Honda I'm sure but hard body parts are another thing. You could try a boneyard but these things are pretty old so a lot of the pickings may already be gone. There were lot's of 750s made but the F is a little different than the standard crop. There is exhaust available for it through Mac or someone like that and I believe Kerker still makes a 4 into 1 that makes it sound the way it's supposed to sound. :-) Tanks will be next to impossible... fix the one you have. Have the seat recovered (another impossible find), Maier Manufacturing makes side covers (at least they did) and although they are not the best they will work just fine, brake light cover?... I thought it was all one piece, and good luck with the tail section (if the bike falls it's usually the first to get mangled). I've owned two of them... an '80 that was a total basket case that I managed to get running and rideable, and an '81 that was setup for drag racing (street bike though) that was modified out the ying-yang (lost my license because of this one)... so I know a pretty good deal about them. If you need a hand just let me know! Later, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Horkster To: DC Cycles Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 11:00 AM Subject: CB750 Project > Hi folks. > > I've got a new toy to play with at home. Even though my current > ride is a new Concours (and even though I've become a bit of a > chain-drive bike snob), I've still always had a soft spot for the > old CB 750s. Hell, if the new Nighthawks would have been shafties, > I'd be riding one now instead of the Connie. That's another topic, > though. :) > > Anyway, here's the real story: My father-in-law brought down to > my place his old project bike. It's a 1979 Honda CB750F, not in > the best of shape. A little over 19,000 miles on the clock, last > tagged and inspected in 1986. The original owner sold it after > low-siding underneath a tractor-trailer. Only minor damage, but > it scared the guy silly, so he sold out. My father-in-law has never even had it running (I'll never know why). It's been sitting in > his basement for years. > > A short list of things I'd need to get it running: > Battery > Petcock > Fuel lines (easy) > Front Brake Lever > Headlight bucket, retaining bracket and screws > > Things I'd like to get to make it all nice again: > Tank > Seat > Sidecovers > Rubber Carb boots (front and back, 8 total) > Tail section > Brake light cover > Stock exhaust (it's got shorty drag pipes on it now) > > > Anyway, just wondering how common these bikes still are (dohc, > this was the second year, right?) and how hard is it finding > parts for them? I'd sure like to get this thing fixed up and > running nicely. Here's your opportunity to either encourage me > or talk me out of it. :) > > > Dale > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 12:26:40 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22956 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FG1001CWXK0WW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA14671; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:25:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990806162359.JTCI16182@toddnt>; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:23:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:22:02 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: CB750 Project In-reply-to: <199908061100.AA98697360@tidalwave.net> To: horkster@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Message-id: <000e01bee027$d0f16560$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > A short list of things I'd need to get it running: > Battery > Petcock > Fuel lines (easy) > Front Brake Lever > Headlight bucket, retaining bracket and screws Add plenty of carb cleaner and possibly new bits (I needed to replace the float valves on an old 74 550). If it has been sitting as long as you say, this'll be your biggest chore. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 13:10:00 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23715 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990806170952.23133.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:09:52 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: measurement convertion To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DAmn... as soon as I saw the first header in the digest I was just waiting to see if it was going to be Brian or Dale that busted on me for my poor conversion abilities ;-) I used to have a really spiffy converter program (called convert.exe) that had tons of handy convertions in it... anyone have a copy?? either email or ftp to me please thanks.. As for sections, for the first 17 years of my life I thought roads only came in the square variety unless you were directly around a lake or had ventured over to hillbilly country in arkansas or missouri ;-) but out in redneck land of western ok, they all be square. :) I forget the number of sections per township (40 I think... I slept through most of OK history back in high school) but section 16 was set aside as public land for the school to be placed on. I believe another section was designated for public buildings such as town hall, etc. and now that I live in SE MI, yeah, the roads here suck!!! haven't done any riding except for the racing since I moved here :( Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 13:15:10 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23878 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990806171528.25667.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:15:28 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Mobil 1 m/c oil To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike, unless it's come down in price, $47 per 6 is cheap for the m/c specific stuff. It was retailing for $12/quart. I personally have found the 15-50 very adequate for all my applications including the race bike. And I believe the difference (other then $$$$) is *lack* of additives rather than the addition of them...or maybe there are some m/c specific additions and they left out the car ones.. FWIW, the 15-50 is the only one of their car line that don't have the anti friction additives which might cause clutch slippage...I've only used the 15-50, so I can't comment on whether there's any fact behind the slippage... If you want to buy good m/c specific oil, Rick at Fast Lanes will probably sell some of the oil they use (bulk) for a reasonable price.. can't remember if it's Silkolene that they use (really good stuff but $$$) or Red Line.. either way its good stuff.. Collin (cheap bastage extroidenare!!) === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 14:04:42 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24639 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:01:24 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C1C6@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'George Howell'" , Tom Gimer , DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:01:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >Not necessarily missing anything. It could work out this way. >But... If you know of a dealer willing to haggle with an unknown customer >over the phone for a firm price on a new bike, let me know their name. Loundon Motorsports for one. When I bought my VFR almost a year ago, I called everyone in the book. Not one dealer gave me the car salesman crap of "just come on in". I mostly got these answers: A) "I don't have any left" B) "$9499" and I'd say "but that's list price" and they would say "that's what we are selling it for" and I'd say "OK, goodbye". But with Loundon Motorsports we made the deal over the phone (and I think I got a great deal) and I brought him the exact amount in cash, signed a few things and left. Within three weeks he received the Certificate of Origin from American Honda and mailed it to me. I also did this same thing with my buddy Curtis's EX500 he bought back in 94, I just called around, it does work. >As far as tagging, that varies by dealer and state. In my experience, if I >had to go to the MVA and take care of getting the tags myself, it's far from >a simple experience. Anything involving a trip to the MVA is more akin to >having teeth pulled with no novocaine. That's the nice thing about working here at the Pentagon and living in Virginia, I have a VA DMV right upstairs that I can take care of everything from license renewal to titling. And its only available to Pentagon employees (or people that get escorted in). Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 15:06:02 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25763 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-62.patriot.net [209.249.180.62]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA32415; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:05:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37AB3126.5D407BD4@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:01:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona References: <852567C5.004D7E62.00@172.16.2.37> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *GASP* I didn't see that ... honest Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > hmmm, might just have to go in there and get 'em cheering! ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > Bill Huson on 08/06/99 09:22:29 AM > > To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX > cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: Daytona > > The Boot Hill Salloon is good - right across the street from a large cemetary. > Check out all the ladies undergarments tacked to the rafters.A swell of cheers > means that another lady has offered her frilly to the rafters :-) > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 15:14:16 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25881 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-62.patriot.net [209.249.180.62]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00793; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:14:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37AB330F.805A7E9F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:10:07 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes References: <005001bee01c$597fb3c0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They may have overlooked the fact that the Drifter is one butt-ugly bike. George Howell wrote: > The article also stated that they probably wouldn't import the bike to the > US due to poor sales of the Drifter. Yeah. Because the bikes are in the same > category. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 15:20:42 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26063 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-62.patriot.net [209.249.180.62]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01385; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: <37AB3498.559E21D5@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:16:40 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: CB750 Project References: <199908061100.AA98697360@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got one sitting in my garage. An `81 I think. Kid who owns it is gradually - semi-annual visits - getting it semi-running. It is a fine bike - methinks the first Honda that could actually go around a curve somewhat gracefully. The earlier ones, including the Gold Stink, were horrible handling nachines. Worth getting back on the road just for grins. Bill Horkster wrote: > Hi folks. > > I've got a new toy to play with at home. Even though my current > ride is a new Concours (and even though I've become a bit of a > chain-drive bike snob), I've still always had a soft spot for the > old CB 750s. Hell, if the new Nighthawks would have been shafties, > I'd be riding one now instead of the Connie. That's another topic, > though. :) > > Anyway, here's the real story: My father-in-law brought down to > my place his old project bike. It's a 1979 Honda CB750F, not in > the best of shape. A little over 19,000 miles on the clock, last > tagged and inspected in 1986. The original owner sold it after > low-siding underneath a tractor-trailer. Only minor damage, but > it scared the guy silly, so he sold out. My father-in-law has never even had it running (I'll never know why). It's been sitting in > his basement for years. > > A short list of things I'd need to get it running: > Battery > Petcock > Fuel lines (easy) > Front Brake Lever > Headlight bucket, retaining bracket and screws > > Things I'd like to get to make it all nice again: > Tank > Seat > Sidecovers > Rubber Carb boots (front and back, 8 total) > Tail section > Brake light cover > Stock exhaust (it's got shorty drag pipes on it now) > > Anyway, just wondering how common these bikes still are (dohc, > this was the second year, right?) and how hard is it finding > parts for them? I'd sure like to get this thing fixed up and > running nicely. Here's your opportunity to either encourage me > or talk me out of it. :) > > Dale > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 15:21:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26076 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A5B1B0B01E8; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:21:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990806151455.00bcf7b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:22:26 -0400 To: , "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: CB750 Project In-Reply-To: <199908061100.AA98697360@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:00 AM 8/6/99 , Horkster wrote: >My father-in-law brought down to >my place his old project bike. It's a 1979 Honda CB750F, not in >the best of shape. A little over 19,000 miles on the clock, last >tagged and inspected in 1986. The original owner sold it after >low-siding underneath a tractor-trailer. Only minor damage, but >it scared the guy silly, so he sold out. My father-in-law has never even >had it running (I'll never know why). It's been sitting in >his basement for years. Congrats! That's the first of the 5 year spread of the famous DOHC Honda 4-cylinder engines. I've been riding the '81 & '82 750 versions for over 13 years (5 bikes total -- 3 I put on the road and 2 were for parts). The newest has 30,000 mi. and is my daily commuter (it's been more reliable than the BMW). The other has over 50,000 mi. and hauls my sidecar. I retired the first one at about 80,000 mi. There used to be a list, it's now a web board -- http://members.aol.com/cbmailer/cbmail.html best, Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 15:24:57 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26154 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-62.patriot.net [209.249.180.62]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01808; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:24:52 -0400 Message-ID: <37AB3597.5D91EA04@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:20:55 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Sachs CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, George Howell Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes (was RE: Stolen Bikes) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah! Jogged me memory. I believe the CA dude restores Commandos from the dirt up. New parts are quite available, but my understanding was most of the bike is selected old parts. About 5K for a 750 and 6K for an 850. I didn't bother looking at the ones on display at the Norton Rally because I'm more interested in redoing one than buying a ready to ride piece. S & M interests me also :-) Bill Greg Sachs wrote: > My reading of the Norton article implied that they were just modernized > commandos, built by a guy out west, rather than the product of NMI of the > 250 hp, 230 mph V8 Nemesis. I believe that if you call this guy up with > 20k you get a new COmmando, and quickly. Whereas with NMI it isn't clear > at all what is happening. I'm real excited by the Eller MC, the new > sportbike promises to be pretty nice if they can produce-James Parker can > definately design bikes, and Bob Lutz should have some idea about volume > manufacturing. Time will tell. > greg > --- On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:54:34 -0400 George Howell > wrote: > > >I think the Kawi is the W65, and it's actually a BSA A10 ripoff moreso > than > >a Bonnie ripoff. > > > >As for the new 'Norton'. I'll believe it when I see it. Anyone (within > >reason) can make one or two bikes. Ramping up for production... A little > >trickier. > > > >---------------------------------------- > >-George Howell > >ghowell@XXXXXX > >ghowell@XXXXXX > >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 8/6/99 HSTA/AMA 11:20:09 AM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 16:06:50 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27002 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07160 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:06:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990806160500.0150ef00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:06:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Funny stuff in Yahoo for dc cycles In-Reply-To: <37AB3597.5D91EA04@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This guy posted to the dc-cycles message board in Yahoo! some time ago. I went to his bio to figure out where the hell [[[[[[[chi-town]]]]]]] is. You have to read this.... http://profiles.yahoo.com/NUPE69_DOGG ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 16:28:05 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27373 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhbdh16267; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:27:56 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567C5.0070870B ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:29:06 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567C5.007085A7.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:26:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Funny stuff in Yahoo for dc cycles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline A little unsure of himself, isn't he? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Troutman on 08/06/99 04:06:11 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Funny stuff in Yahoo for dc cycles This guy posted to the dc-cycles message board in Yahoo! some time ago. I went to his bio to figure out where the hell [[[[[[[chi-town]]]]]]] is. You have to read this.... http://profiles.yahoo.com/NUPE69_DOGG ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 16:30:51 1999 Return-Path: mullins_john@XXXXXX Received: from mclean-mail.usae.bah.com (mclean-mail.usae.bah.com [156.80.5.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27457 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bah.com ([156.80.170.53]) by mclean-mail.usae.bah.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4CFF for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:26:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37AB43A9.2ECEB181@bah.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:20:57 -0400 From: "Mullins John" Organization: BAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Funny stuff in Yahoo for dc cycles References: <4.2.0.58.19990806160500.0150ef00@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He sure is a Humble guy... Troutman wrote: > > This guy posted to the dc-cycles message board in Yahoo! some time ago. I > went to his bio to figure out where the hell [[[[[[[chi-town]]]]]]] > is. You have to read this.... > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/NUPE69_DOGG > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 16:52:55 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27831 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA21990 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf15-179.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.179]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA00496; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:48:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Mullins John" , Subject: RE: Funny stuff in Yahoo for dc cycles Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:46:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37AB43A9.2ECEB181@bah.com> He's single and looking...and will probably stay that way. I read that months ago, and thought what an arrogant sob he must be. The BIO was crude and childish. Maybe he just learnt those new works! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mullins John [mailto:mullins_john@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 4:21 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Funny stuff in Yahoo for dc cycles > > > He sure is a Humble guy... > > > Troutman wrote: > > > > This guy posted to the dc-cycles message board in Yahoo! some > time ago. I > > went to his bio to figure out where the hell [[[[[[[chi-town]]]]]]] > > is. You have to read this.... > > > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/NUPE69_DOGG > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > > Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 17:47:40 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28689 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:47:38 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rNGNa00255 (91); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <627594e2.24dcb114@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:43:48 EDT Subject: Re: measurement convertion To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/6/99 1:15:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << I used to have a really spiffy converter program (called convert.exe) that had tons of handy convertions in it... anyone have a copy?? either email or ftp to me please thanks.. >> I have a copy of Win Convert if anyone wants me to send it to them. Let me know. Collin, I'm sending it to you separately. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 17:54:42 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28789 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:40:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199908061740.AA13893892@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:10:07 -0400 >They may have overlooked the fact that the Drifter is one butt-ugly >bike. Bill, C'mon! It's way uglier than that. You just insulted butts everywhere. :) Horkster (it's got a lame-ass commercial, too) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 18:16:09 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29184 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-27.patriot.net [206.29.51.179]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17368; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:16:05 -0400 Message-ID: <37AB5DB8.AB2A6FA9@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:12:08 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes References: <199908061740.AA13893892@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OOPS! I overlooked the fact that I have admired "with lust in mah heart" (apologies to Jimmy Carter) at least a dozen butts today. Therefore, you are correct - butt-ugly doesn't convey the visual repulsion that the Drifter creates. Bill Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Bill Huson > Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:10:07 -0400 > > >They may have overlooked the fact that the Drifter is one butt-ugly >bike. > > Bill, > > C'mon! It's way uglier than that. You just insulted butts everywhere. > :) > > Horkster (it's got a lame-ass commercial, too) > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 18:18:37 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29194 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-27.patriot.net [206.29.51.179]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17582; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:18:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37AB5E4B.7D11D358@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:14:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Funny stuff in Yahoo for dc cycles References: <4.2.0.58.19990806160500.0150ef00@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He's a frat boy - that sez it all. Bill Troutman wrote: > This guy posted to the dc-cycles message board in Yahoo! some time ago. I > went to his bio to figure out where the hell [[[[[[[chi-town]]]]]]] > is. You have to read this.... > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/NUPE69_DOGG > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 18:30:29 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA29448 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990806223016.14967.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.236] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:30:16 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Broken down on I-495 To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know nothing of this incident, but for those of you thinking of getting a cell phone, this is exactly a good reason why. I have mine. A few times I've seen people broken down (cars)and have pulled over and offered them use of my cell phone. Some use it, some already contacted someone... but I have an extra sense of security knowing I have my cell phone, wether driving or riding, and I've used it enough times, it really is valuable. I don't abuse it either, I dont use it for social calls. For those of you who frequent the MD side of the beltway, and don't have some type of warranty/ tow plan, I have a pickup truck, and I'll help you out in an emergency where you and your bike are on the side of the road and absolutely need a tow. I'll do it without charge or fee, I'm not rich, so feel free to give me gas money, or make any kind of donation you want, whatever it's worth to you, if you can afford anything.. but i know when your vehicle is broken down, you need your money for repairs also, so like I said, it's an emergency, so it'll be free. I won't even bring up money, or ask for any compensation. I'll bring my pickup out, and give you and your bike a lift, to say.. within 30 minutes/miles in MD. If you want to go farther than that, you'll need to settle on going to a local bikeshop, or just putting it in a safe place to park until you can figure something out later, or pay me handsomely to take you somewhere far :) This offer is only good for you who email me, and only you, not your 10 riding buddies. I can't become a free tow guy for everyone in this part of Maryland :) I'm basicly making the offer to help out others in this list/group. Bikes are pretty reliable so I don't expect to be over run with calls or anything, but an emergency is an emergency.. if you need a tow, you need a tow. Keep in mind I'm not an autoclub and sometimes my cell phone ringer is off and I might not be available.. but odds are I will be, and that I'll answer the phone.. but like i said, it's possible you might not get an answer, but can leave a message to call you back, mean while you can try to make other arrangements...because there's always the chance i'm out on a date with the ringer off, or maybe in a deep sleep and the ringer is turned down low.. but i basicly have no life, so the odds are in your favor hehe. So for those of you in MD (near dc), email me for my cell number, and you can put it under your seat or in your cell phone or something, and have it in case of an emergency. -Daniel --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Last night, while riding back from visiting a friend in Rockville, > I passed a > broken down sports bike (didn't notice what brand) on I-495, outter > loop, just > after going under I-66, in the left hand shoulder. It was starting > to get dark > out. The rider was standing next to the bike, looking frustrated. > I circled > around since I didn't have enough room/time to pull over (ok, I was > going > slightly over 55 mph) and asked if he needed a ride to a phone. He > looked very > relieved, and told me he had a friend who lives off Gallows Road, > near the > hospital. I dropped him off in the parking lot, and he went > running off (after > thanking me profusely). > > Was that anyone on the list, or a friend or something? I'd just > like to know > if the rider got his bike and made it home okay. > > Louis > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 6 21:49:40 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02749 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0215.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.247]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA26604 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37ABBCC8.51F9@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 21:57:44 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jnewman@XXXXXX > I believe there's a section of this month's [Cycle World? > the one with "Hooligan Bikes!" as the cover story] which > talks about the Kawasaki 650 retro. The article said > something to the effect that it will be released in England > this year, but wether or not it is bound for US shores is > unknown... Perhaps another lister can confirm, but I > think it fairly true to the original Cafe racer style... > John Newman > 88 FZR 400 I was just looking at that article (Motorcyclist, Sept.). It looks pretty much like a circa 1967 BSA or Triumph except for the external pushrod tubes. But it is not a café racer style at all. To be such the seat would need to be flat and the bars clip-ons. Also, I think café racer tanks were generally bigger. Perhaps the best example of such a machine would be the Paul Dustall Norton from the early 70s. I believe he used to make other race exhaust systems also. > I think the Kawi is the W65, and it's actually a BSA A10 ripoff moreso than > a Bonnie ripoff. OK, George put your money where your mouth is ;) For $1.00, what is the fundamental difference between BSA and Triumph unit twin engines? Because outside of cosmetics (decals etc) there is _no_ appreciable difference between them except for this one ;^P JK From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 03:51:32 1999 Return-Path: jellyfarmer@XXXXXX Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA11754 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990807080029.5318.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.199.37] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 01:00:29 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: dave wakefield Subject: EX500 forks To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Collin, I just started subscribing to this email distribution list, and saw a message from you indicating a lack of racing where you are (was it Oklahoma?). Does this mean you're going to be out of this area on a long-term basis? I guess that means no replacement EX500 forks for me. Damn! Oh well, I guess it serves me right for procrastinating. Hmm. Would you be interested in selling them to me anyway, and shipping them here? Dave, Sr _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 07:47:19 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15101 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [209.122.239.26] (209-122-239-26.s280.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.26]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id HAA23953 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908071147.HAA23953@smtp4.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 07:42:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Broken down on I-495 From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have Honda to call, and I do always carry a cell phone. But thanks for a very generous offer. If you ever need a neurosurgeon... ---------- >From: ITM >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Broken down on I-495 >Date: Fri, Aug 6, 1999, 6:30 PM > >I know nothing of this incident, but for those of you thinking of >getting a cell phone, this is exactly a good reason why. I have mine. >A few times I've seen people broken down (cars)and have pulled over >and offered them use of my cell phone. Some use it, some already >contacted someone... but I have an extra sense of security knowing >I have my cell phone, wether driving or riding, and I've used it >enough times, it really is valuable. I don't abuse it either, I >dont use it for social calls. > >For those of you who frequent the MD side of the beltway, >and don't have some type of warranty/ tow plan, I have a pickup >truck, and I'll help you out in an emergency where you and >your bike are on the side of the road and absolutely need a tow. > >I'll do it without charge or fee, I'm not rich, so feel free to >give me gas money, or make any kind of donation you want, whatever >it's worth to you, if you can afford anything.. but i know when >your vehicle is broken down, you need your money for repairs also, >so like I said, it's an emergency, so it'll be free. I won't >even bring up money, or ask for any compensation. > >I'll bring my pickup out, and give you and your >bike a lift, to say.. within 30 minutes/miles in MD. If you want >to go farther than that, you'll need to settle on going to a >local bikeshop, or just putting it in a safe place to park until >you can figure something out later, or pay me handsomely to take >you somewhere far :) > >This offer is only good for you who email me, and only you, not >your 10 riding buddies. I can't become a free tow guy for everyone >in this part of Maryland :) > >I'm basicly making the offer to help out others in this list/group. >Bikes are pretty reliable so I don't expect to be over run with >calls or anything, but an emergency is an emergency.. if you need >a tow, you need a tow. > >Keep in mind I'm not an autoclub and sometimes my cell phone ringer >is off and I might not be available.. but odds are I will be, and >that I'll answer the phone.. but like i said, it's possible you >might not get an answer, but can leave a message to call you back, >mean while you can try to make other arrangements...because there's >always the chance i'm out on a date with the ringer off, or maybe >in a deep sleep and the ringer is turned down low.. but i basicly >have no life, so the odds are in your favor hehe. > > >So for those of you in MD (near dc), email me for my cell number, and >you can put it under your seat or in your cell phone or something, >and have it in case of an emergency. > >-Daniel > >--- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: >> >> Last night, while riding back from visiting a friend in Rockville, >> I passed a >> broken down sports bike (didn't notice what brand) on I-495, outter >> loop, just >> after going under I-66, in the left hand shoulder. It was starting >> to get dark >> out. The rider was standing next to the bike, looking frustrated. >> I circled >> around since I didn't have enough room/time to pull over (ok, I was >> going >> slightly over 55 mph) and asked if he needed a ride to a phone. He >> looked very >> relieved, and told me he had a friend who lives off Gallows Road, >> near the >> hospital. I dropped him off in the parking lot, and he went >> running off (after >> thanking me profusely). >> >> Was that anyone on the list, or a friend or something? I'd just >> like to know >> if the rider got his bike and made it home okay. >> >> Louis >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com >> >> > >=== >Daniel Aka ITM >92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 08:09:06 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15411 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id yMGUa20496 (4542); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9299a2c3.24dd7b96@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:07:50 EDT Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/6/99 9:55:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << Perhaps the best example of such a machine would be the Paul Dustall Norton from the early 70s. I believe he used to make other race exhaust systems also. >> Actually, most "Cafe Racers" were built from the standard bikes by their owners. Some in the group have seen my yellow Commando which is a fairly typical cafe racer. It uses mostly stock components except for reverse cone exhausts, clip-ons and rear sets as well as a Dunstall cam which makes the bike alot less friendly in stop and go traffic. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 11:18:14 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19206 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id LAA20993; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Funny stuff in Yahoo for dc cycles In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990806160500.0150ef00@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry this is going to the wrong place, but this email client is awful. Anyway, Bruce! My man. Thanks much for the garage time. Here's the good and the bad of it. I'll start with the good. The front fork is so much better I'm amazed. No more bob and weave in the corners, and it feels nice and firm over normal bumps and whatnot. Don't think the spacers are really necessary anymore. Now the bad. The jetting was horrible. On the way home last night it seemed fine at anything but full throttle, but as soon as I opened it wide, it'd stumble all the way from 5k on up to 7500 where it would cut out completely. On the way home I stopped and yanked the air cleaner, thinking it was running rich, but strangely enough it got worse with the air cleaner off. So, this morning I yanked the 138 mains and put in 134's. The midrange is very good now, with no hesitation up to 8k, where it cuts out completely again. Any ideas??? Anyone? Anyone? ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 12:49:33 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20523 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id MAA29083; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id MAA19898; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B560F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" , "'mtroutma@XXXXXX'" Subject: What is an Enfield Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:45:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry all. Our email is screwed at work. I get the digest, but not any replies to my posts. :P I believe the Enfields that were stolen were all 500cc models. I'm one of the very few to buy the 350cc model, I think. Anyway... there are pictures here: http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/ They were stolen from the importers offices in White Plains, MD. Background: The Royal Enfield factory was contracted to supply a bunch of bikes to the Indian government in the 1950's. Someone thought it would be better to build a factory there, and assemble them on site. Eventually the Indian factory was building the bikes (Bullets) from the ground up; casting, welding, everything. In the early 70's ('71?) Royal Enfield, Redditch went belly up. The Indians found themselves with a fully functioning factory, and they have kept making them as they have done so since the 1950's. The only changes made to the 1955 design are the ones mandated by big brother. Left side shift (you can buy a kit to put it back on the right [correct;] side), indicators (we call them "turn signals"), and maybe quieter silencers (mufflers). Rich (ya doesn't has ta go fast to have fun) Crishock X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:34:04 -0400 To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes Cc: "'dcc'" At 04:22 PM 8/5/99 , Crishock, Richard M, BGM wrote: > >From the Enfield Bullet Owners Club newsletter, which came today... > >"Late Breaking News: STOLEN ENFIELDS! I'm guessing that an Enfield is a bike of some sort that I have never heard of. Where were they stolen from, and what do they look like....? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 13:49:21 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21463 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id NAA29974 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help.! Jetting trouble Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's the story so far... Installed the Dynojet kit with Bruce (thanks again!). We went with the prescribed setting for a stock bike with a full exhaust. This includes 138 mains and needles on the 3rd clip from the top. This yielded awful results. The bike would hesitate at full throttle from 5k on up, where it would completely cut out at 7500. The hesitation (again at full throttle) was worse the higher the gear used. I then took off the air filter and took it for a spin, and the problem seemed to get worse (it certainly didn't get better). Next I swapped out the 138 mains for the next size down, which are 134's. This improved things a little. The bike wouldn't hesitate in the midrange, but still cut out around 8k on top under full thorttle. Next, I lowered the needle one clip. This really improved things... it'll now take full throttle without hesitation up to 8k, but then it signs off completely again. I'm confused. HELP! ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 15:13:45 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22782 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id PAA20447; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:13:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles cc: granth@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: SV jetting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey - While I don't like Rick Beggs' mechanics at his shop, I do trust Rick when it comes to technical knowledge. I was talking to Rick a couple weeks ago about the SV because I'm prob going to buy one for next year's racing season. He ran into the same problem jetting an SV, and it turned out to be the fuel pump being inadequate for the task. Taking a can of fuel and holding it above the bike as a gravity feed had no problems... using the stock fuel pump produced exactly what you are describing. You may want to perform the same experiment and see what the results are. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 16:45:19 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24192 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id QAA13397; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: Brian Roach cc: dc-cycles , mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV jetting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Interesting... what's the fix? New fuel pump? ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Brian Roach wrote: > > Hey - > > While I don't like Rick Beggs' mechanics at his shop, I do trust Rick > when it comes to technical knowledge. I was talking to Rick a couple weeks > ago about the SV because I'm prob going to buy one for next year's racing > season. He ran into the same problem jetting an SV, and it turned > out to be the fuel pump being inadequate for the task. Taking a can of > fuel and holding it above the bike as a gravity feed had no problems... > using the stock fuel pump produced exactly what you are describing. > > You may want to perform the same experiment and see what the results are. > > - Brian Roach > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 17:17:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24643 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-38.patriot.net [206.29.51.190]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA10560; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:17:21 -0400 Message-ID: <37ACA174.3CA77AF2@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:13:24 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Heffernan CC: Brian Roach , dc-cycles , mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV jetting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry can strapped to your back? :-) Bill Grant Heffernan wrote: > Interesting... what's the fix? New fuel pump? > > ********************************* > Grant Heffernan > SCO Field Systems Engineer > 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 > Reston, VA 20191 > (703) 715-8721 > > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Brian Roach wrote: > > > > > Hey - > > > > While I don't like Rick Beggs' mechanics at his shop, I do trust Rick > > when it comes to technical knowledge. I was talking to Rick a couple weeks > > ago about the SV because I'm prob going to buy one for next year's racing > > season. He ran into the same problem jetting an SV, and it turned > > out to be the fuel pump being inadequate for the task. Taking a can of > > fuel and holding it above the bike as a gravity feed had no problems... > > using the stock fuel pump produced exactly what you are describing. > > > > You may want to perform the same experiment and see what the results are. > > > > - Brian Roach > > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 18:25:44 1999 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25611 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-53-120.s120.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.120]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA24748 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ab01bee13c$f0545aa0$7835accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:25:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Randy Creel, an independent motorcycle and car mechanic. He's only done great work on bikes and cars for me and Jim (ZX-11). All the work has been done quickly and at a reasonable price. Randy Creel Randy's Vintage Japanese, Herndon, VA 703-508-5786 (cash or personal checks) - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (runs so nice I may not even bother with that CBR ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Eternity23@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:59 AM Subject: Re: If not Fast Lane, then who? >I've had some minor things done at Loudoun Motorsports on my old Interceptor. >Had them change the chain and do some routine maintenance. They're turn >around time was great and the work was cheaper than I would have expected. >Also, their shop manager, (who usually does most of the work, as I understand >it), is Honda factory certified and all that jazz. I've been happy dealing >with them. > >-Sean Jordan >'93 CBR1000F > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 18:50:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26102 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA25465 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13468 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-53-120.s120.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.120]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA05104 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025701bee140$7736f700$7835accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Another motorcycle postcard website Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:50:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 http://www.coolshopping.com/index.phtml?page=cards.phtml Go to "create an electronic greeting" then "Fun Photos" - - Ursulina From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 19:10:20 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26381 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.200]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:04:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:06:28 -0400 Message-ID: <006001bee129$7aa07f40$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990806151521.3437.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Maryland's MVAs have improved their speed and service > to the point that it feels like a different world when > you walk in. For even speedier service, visit a > location like Frederick. Just don't go to ANY MVA on > a Friday afternoon and you won't need that novocaine, > George. But when you live 20 minutes south of DC, it's nearly an entire day (wasted) to go up to Frederick. I was in the Waldorf MVA on Friday, and it was much better than the last time. Still not 'good', or even acceptable. But endurable for a change. FWIW, while I could care less who the dealer is, Linda might be interested for her shopping. Also, I bet that the particular bike makes a difference as to whether there is a good chance of over the phone dickering. Was that '98 ZX-9R just recently sold, or was it bought last year? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 19:12:00 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26392 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.200]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:06:40 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: CB750 Project Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <006101bee129$b83d81e0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908061100.AA98697360@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 There's a good chance much of that stuff is available from your Honda dealer for a price. For Wings, at least, they seem good about carrying various things. For some of the stuff (brake lever) you may want to check JC Whitney and take your chances. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 19:19:04 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26535 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.200]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:13:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Retro Brit-Bikes Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <006501bee12a$b5bb9c80$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37ABBCC8.51F9@mnsinc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > OK, George put your money where your mouth is ;) For $1.00, what is the > fundamental difference between BSA and Triumph unit twin engines? > Because outside of cosmetics (decals etc) there is _no_ appreciable > difference between them except for this one ;^P Luckily, I never put up any money;) I haven't the foggiest. I just remember reading it in RiDE a few months ago. Or maybe Classic Motorcycles or some other across the pond magazine. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 19:25:10 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26627 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.200]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:19:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'dcc'" , Subject: RE: What is an Enfield Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:21:15 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01bee12b$8b9cb960$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B560F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Who the heck imports them in White Plains?! Must be down in that industrial park behind the old Lowe's?? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 19:46:14 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27007 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-38.patriot.net [206.29.51.190]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA17229; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:46:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37ACC454.DC241D86@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:42:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'dcc'" , mtroutma@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What is an Enfield References: <006d01bee12b$8b9cb960$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Winchester Indian has Enfields. The handle an odd selection of bikes, including the Victory *gag* and the Ural, which is a cute sidecar toy. Thier used selection is very eclectic. Just off of I-81 a couple exits north of Rt 50. Bill George Howell wrote: > Who the heck imports them in White Plains?! Must be down in that industrial > park behind the old Lowe's?? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 21:06:35 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28198 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-35-128.s128.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.35.128]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17232 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:06:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Presenting: Super Sherpa Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:06:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bee13a$3da61580$8023accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Thanks to all for the advice about my purchase. Chapter Two: Here I sit, the proud owner of a brand, spankin' new Super Sherpa. I got it from a dealer several hours away (Berkeley Springs, WV), for considerably less than I had offered the local dealer. Who'da thunk it? All is not quite rosy in Springfield, however. When I arrived at the dealership, I was informed that the speedo/odo did not work as a part was broken. I arranged to have the replacement sent to me and they demo'ed what needed to be done. Not too complex, except for propping up the bike to take off the front wheel. They loaded it on my trailer and I was off. Once I got home (several hours later), I took my new baby for a spin and promptly discovered that the front turnsignals were backward (push left, blink right), while the rears were fine. Talk about confusing the populace. Except that nobody pays any attention anyway. After a quick ride, I came home, reversed the wires and took off again with my GPS bungied to the handlebars so I would have some clue as to how fast I was going. With no tach and no speedo, it was a little difficult to judge whether or not I was being good with the breakin. I will have to work out something more permanent and stable than a potholder and two baby-bungies. I envision velcro and something. Bike ran fine. I love electric start. What can I say, I'm a wuss. The tranny is very smooth. After riding my Honda for 60k miles and thunking through every shift, the Sherpa (aka Tenzing) has a butter smooth shifter. Power seemed a little down, but I wasn't pushing it and most bikes seem anemic compared to the CBR. All in all, I'm a happy camper. It has this really cute black cylinder that turns out to be the tools. I hope to ride a lot more tomorrow. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 21:16:38 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28347 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-38.patriot.net [206.29.51.190]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA20910 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:16:34 -0400 Message-ID: <37ACD986.6EC35947@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:12:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride `em, don't hide `em Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The saying on the back of my Delaware Valley Norton club tee shirt. An attempt to get the vintage brit bikes out of the garage and out on the road. The same is said of many Harley owners. Posers. Owners not riders. I ride, but my pal has got me beat. He bought a Dyna last year. Rode it all over MD, VA, and W VA. This spring he sez, "I'm 62 and have never seen the country. If I don't do it soon, I may never have the chance." He packs his saddlebags and T-bag and Zzzzooommm.... Some five weeks and 10K miles later he rides back into town. He hung around for a month or so and sez, "That was fun. I'm gonna do it again." Zzzzooommmm... He got back today, another 10K ride. This time he drifted north to Washingtaon state and Oregon before setting his compass on east. One Dyna, a shade over a year old, with close to 30K miles on the odometer. Ride `em, don't hide `em. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 21:23:57 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28426 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf15-131.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.131]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA16117; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "LindaT" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Presenting: Super Sherpa Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:21:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601bee13a$3da61580$8023accf@oemcomputer> Contrats Linda! Now we need to see pictures! Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com Bike Pics http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 9:06 PM > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: Presenting: Super Sherpa > > > Thanks to all for the advice about my purchase. Chapter Two: > > Here I sit, the proud owner of a brand, spankin' new Super > Sherpa. I got it > from a dealer several hours away (Berkeley Springs, WV), for considerably > less than I had offered the local dealer. Who'da thunk it? All is not > quite rosy in Springfield, however. When I arrived at the > dealership, I was > informed that the speedo/odo did not work as a part was broken. > I arranged > to have the replacement sent to me and they demo'ed what needed > to be done. > Not too complex, except for propping up the bike to take off the front > wheel. They loaded it on my trailer and I was off. > > Once I got home (several hours later), I took my new baby for a spin and > promptly discovered that the front turnsignals were backward (push left, > blink right), while the rears were fine. Talk about confusing > the populace. > Except that nobody pays any attention anyway. After a quick ride, I came > home, reversed the wires and took off again with my GPS bungied to the > handlebars so I would have some clue as to how fast I was going. With no > tach and no speedo, it was a little difficult to judge whether or > not I was > being good with the breakin. I will have to work out something more > permanent and stable than a potholder and two baby-bungies. I envision > velcro and something. > > Bike ran fine. I love electric start. What can I say, I'm a wuss. The > tranny is very smooth. After riding my Honda for 60k miles and thunking > through every shift, the Sherpa (aka Tenzing) has a butter smooth shifter. > Power seemed a little down, but I wasn't pushing it and most bikes seem > anemic compared to the CBR. > > All in all, I'm a happy camper. It has this really cute black > cylinder that > turns out to be the tools. I hope to ride a lot more tomorrow. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and counting) > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 7 23:22:20 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00347 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.197]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:16:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: "'dcc'" Subject: RE: What is an Enfield Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:18:27 -0400 Message-ID: <007401bee14c$ae4b7f20$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37ACC454.DC241D86@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 When did they start carrying the Urals? Last time I was there (last fall??) he wasn't carrying them. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 00:35:16 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01536 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:35:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vNKHa20497 (3994) for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:34:30 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/07/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Hi all First, I second (again) Urselina on complimenting Randy Creel, your loss if you bitch about service elsewhere. Second, I have ANOTHER good use for cell phones. Riding two nights ago with a budy, he caught the lip of one of those half paved areas common in Great Falls etc, on a sharp turn and went down. Broken leg, minor scratches, and the cell phone on his hip was rashed dramatically! It would have BEEN his hip if he had not been wearing it. Cell phones as safety equipment! Yes! My cell phone, however, did not work at the accident scene! No signal, go figure. At least I ride safe. Watch those paved spots, he is a good rider and was not going very fast, just a freak deal, but the paver helped the launch considerably. On a personal note............(sorry, I usually only lurk).......I am trying to figure out how to expedite a visa for my wife in Morocco, any ideas could be helpful, any connections to Madelyne Albright or Bill Clinton I could use, lol, she (my wife) is in physical danger and I need to get her out more quickly than the usual immigrant visa turnaround. Thoughts appreciated, bear in mind that I am resoursefull and have considered probably all of the normal routes and some of the not so normal ones, what I really need is some high level networking, if you know what I mean. PLZ reply direct, I read this list intermittantly now that I am focussed on her safety. Thanks for the space, not all bike content. -Jim zx 11 From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 01:00:23 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01896 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.197]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:55:04 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: cell-phones Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:56:39 -0400 Message-ID: <007801bee15a$66611fe0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > My cell phone, however, did not work at the accident scene! No signal, go > figure. At least I ride safe. Basically, people are buying so many cell phones that there is no reason to improve the service. With so many users, and so few improvements, there essentially isn't enough bandwidth to serve the customers. It's particularly bad in this area. (Bad enough that I don't currently own a cell phone). If you can, get a digital phone. They are slightly less overwhelmed than the traditional cell networks. And if you can spot me an iridium phone... (oh, that's right. Those will soon be illegal) Good luck with your wife. Maybe you can get some tech co. to hire her under one of those visas? I'm sure you've thought about it though. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 01:01:29 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01902 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0163.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.195]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA26469; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37AD3B3D.5D7@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:09:33 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes References: <006501bee12a$b5bb9c80$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > OK, George put your money where your mouth is ;) For $1.00, what is the > > fundamental difference between BSA and Triumph unit twin engines? > > Because outside of cosmetics (decals etc) there is _no_ appreciable > > difference between them except for this one ;^P > Luckily, I never put up any money;) Indeed. I would have won a buck. (I should have made it a $20 challenge ;) > I haven't the foggiest. I just remember reading it in RiDE a few months ago. > Or maybe Classic Motorcycles or some other across the pond magazine. Sure sounded like you knew what you were talking about for a minute or so though... ;) JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 07:38:31 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09461 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-23.patriot.net [206.29.51.175]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA06708; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37AD6B42.5F8036A0@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 07:34:26 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: JimJacks@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cell-phones References: <007801bee15a$66611fe0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a digital - better than the Sprint piece of crappola I had before. In this region the cell phone is reliable, but I travel. Usually to the boonies. Fav area, the swampy coastline of the Carolinas. Tower? Yeah, uh huh. We're talking some of these burgs are still using rotary dials and have party lines. Other problems on the road. Cell systems which don't have an "agreement" with your system. Pain in the tookus making a call then. And areas with no digital service. You can't retrieve VM messages. But the one time I needed the phone it worked. SW VA - big ol' chunk of aluminum window frame spiked my rear tire. Dial #77 and the State police rounded up a tow truck. Guy punched a dozen plugs in the hole and led me to a cycle shop that tossed a new tire on it for $25 plus the tire. Tow truck guy charged $25 too. Cheap. Bill George Howell wrote: > > Basically, people are buying so many cell phones that there is no reason to > improve the service. With so many users, and so few improvements, there > essentially isn't enough bandwidth to serve the customers. It's particularly > bad in this area. (Bad enough that I don't currently own a cell phone). > > If you can, get a digital phone. They are slightly less overwhelmed than the > traditional cell networks. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 09:59:07 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11446 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id JAA29749; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: rick@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SV jetting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Rick, Some guys on the DC Cycles list referred me to you. I'm having some problems jetting my SV, and I was told you had run into something similar. As I was testing and making changes, things just weren't happening the way they should. Apparently the fuel pump on the SV isn't up to the job? Did you discover a way to fix this? If so, I'd appreciate you're filling us in. Thanks! Grant From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 10:20:47 1999 Return-Path: skight@XXXXXX Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com ([209.249.101.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11929 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: skight@XXXXXX Received: by ENTERPRISE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: <0E21D1BF9FD8D211804F006008A591102E41D5@ENTERPRISE> To: bhuson@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: JimJacks@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cell-phones Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:26:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Actually sprint, nextel, and at+t (withtheir local affiliates) have 100% coverage. Not with their own networks of course, but with local providers in analog. Any of the at+t phones (nokia 5160, 6160 and soon 8860 (WOW is it nice, and yes I have used them) or ericsson (714, the rest are crap) phones work. I have used mine in backcountry arkansas, down to Fourt lauderdale florida, even in puerto rico. California.. everywhere. Here is the key, if you are in an analog roaming area, you CAN check your voice mail, unfortunately the customer care people might not know this trick. I dont have my phone infront of me so I dont remember the number, but its like *50 then talk. This will send a signal back to AT+T (sprint and nextel have similar procedures) that will shut off roaming. Your phone will immediately transfer to voice mail upon being called. Definitely though, is you are looking at which phone, sprint sucks. thats my opinion, I loved spectrum. Much better voice quality, but gsm1900 is a dying system in america due to government regulations. Each cell site costs about 5k-10k in hardware, but you need 2times as many then regular cdma and tdma digital. We regulated thehell out of setting up a cell site, and now gsm isnt worth the investment. so now sprint pcs.. I hate the phones, and the service is terrible. Nextel has neato features. And very good coverage. The i1000 is superneato. AT+T has good phones, and good features, and the most complete coverage of any of the brands. But the nextel phones have more features. Now to bring this back to bikes.. I know a few people who have gotten the earpeices and use their phones while on their bikes. You can get the mounting brackets and mount them up just like you would to a car. Personally, I think its bad when I use my phone in the car, but on the bike.. I think its a terrible mistake. Plus you can use the excuse "Sorry, I couldnt answer the call, I was on my bike" ;> Oh, and the digital phone systems in this area have quite a bit of unused bandwith. Its amazing in fact. Analog is completely crushed of course. The only time I have ever seen the limits reached is out at dulles. We were snowed in trying to leave out to puerto rico. (ALMOST made it) got off the plane and EVERYONE whipped out their cellphones. It was amazing. Well that and las vegas for a big computer show (N+I) Scot 98 916 - Arrow Pipes. 95 900ss/cr - Lots of stuff -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 7:34 AM To: George Howell Cc: JimJacks@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cell-phones I have a digital - better than the Sprint piece of crappola I had before. In this region the cell phone is reliable, but I travel. Usually to the boonies. Fav area, the swampy coastline of the Carolinas. Tower? Yeah, uh huh. We're talking some of these burgs are still using rotary dials and have party lines. Other problems on the road. Cell systems which don't have an "agreement" with your system. Pain in the tookus making a call then. And areas with no digital service. You can't retrieve VM messages. But the one time I needed the phone it worked. SW VA - big ol' chunk of aluminum window frame spiked my rear tire. Dial #77 and the State police rounded up a tow truck. Guy punched a dozen plugs in the hole and led me to a cycle shop that tossed a new tire on it for $25 plus the tire. Tow truck guy charged $25 too. Cheap. Bill George Howell wrote: > > Basically, people are buying so many cell phones that there is no reason to > improve the service. With so many users, and so few improvements, there > essentially isn't enough bandwidth to serve the customers. It's particularly > bad in this area. (Bad enough that I don't currently own a cell phone). > > If you can, get a digital phone. They are slightly less overwhelmed than the > traditional cell networks. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 11:27:27 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13580 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:27:26 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02039 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cell-phones In-Reply-To: <0E21D1BF9FD8D211804F006008A591102E41D5@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Definitely though, is you are looking at which phone, sprint sucks. thats > my opinion, I loved spectrum. Much better voice quality, but gsm1900 is a > dying system in america due to government regulations. Each cell site costs > about 5k-10k in hardware, but you need 2times as many then regular cdma and > tdma digital. We regulated thehell out of setting up a cell site, and now > gsm isnt worth the investment. so now sprint pcs.. I hate the phones, and > the service is terrible. Perhaps you are confused? PCS is the gsm1900 technology, and the old spectrum phones are plain ole analog crap. PCS was the partnership between sprint + cable companies to roll out the GSM stuff and have good coverage, and Spectrum was just your average plain jane cellphone. How can you say Sprint Spectrum was anything but terrible? I had the service, and I'd never, never, ever reccomend it - even to my worst enemy. I dont have a PCS phone right now (have a Nokia + Cellular One) but I'm probably getting that next. The voice quality is far better than most other things out there - as long as you are in the PCS network. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 11:48:38 1999 Return-Path: skight@XXXXXX Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com ([209.249.101.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14207 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From: skight@XXXXXX Received: by ENTERPRISE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: <0E21D1BF9FD8D211804F006008A591102E41D9@ENTERPRISE> To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cell-phones Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:53:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" No I am not confused. I work with a cell phone company right now. Sprint spectrum used something called GSM1900 which is based on the GSM system used in europe. It is WORLDS better then any other service type. Mostly due to what could be done with the boxes, and the cost. (And the services that can be offered, variable speed internet access for one) You can have more people, and have more people sound better on GSM1900. The problem is you need more cell sites, your problem is because of that. We have weird laws about where you can put cell sites. Driving down 270 you see all the median lights on the road, well you cannot put a cell site there. It would be PERFECT for most people using cell phones, but you just cant. You have to zone an area, and have town meetings etc etc to put a cell site anywhere. GSM1900 requires more cell sites then other classic digital services, so the service area became spotty at best. If you go to europe they have LOTS of little cell sites all over the place, they get GREAT service off of gsm. The phones we used here for spectrum would also have been usable in europe. (in some places) The biggest bonus of gsm1900 is still the Sim card. That is your code on that card. If my phone died, I could go to any other gsm1900 phone, plug that card in, and that phone was then mine. It rang when someone called my number, and I could call someone and have it appear on my bill. No other PCS service has anything like that. Spectrum was also a digital PCS service. PCS is just a standard, and a buzzword in the cellphone world. Digital is the important part. Sprint PCS is a CDMA based service, also digital, but a different model for how it divides the transmission (code division multiple access) and seperates "channels" so you can talk and listen at the same time. Plus have hundreds of other conversations going on at the same time, and how they get handed off site to site. Its quite a feat. But both Sprint PCS and Spectrum were true digital systems. Spectrum also only had digital only phones, where sprint pcs and all of the other pcs services offer digital and analog on the same phone. AT+T PCS is based off of TDMA (time division multiple access) which is a comprable, but different method then cdma. They are NOT compatable. This is why none of the phones work in with different companies. (That plus they are set to use a specific range of signals. This is not a big deal though, they could be reprogrammed to use a different frequency set, but the cdma vs tdma vs gsm thing is more then you can put in a phone) Nextel I dont know anything secifically about. I dont know the standards they use. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Milenkovic [mailto:alexm@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 11:27 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cell-phones > Definitely though, is you are looking at which phone, sprint sucks. thats > my opinion, I loved spectrum. Much better voice quality, but gsm1900 is a > dying system in america due to government regulations. Each cell site costs > about 5k-10k in hardware, but you need 2times as many then regular cdma and > tdma digital. We regulated thehell out of setting up a cell site, and now > gsm isnt worth the investment. so now sprint pcs.. I hate the phones, and > the service is terrible. Perhaps you are confused? PCS is the gsm1900 technology, and the old spectrum phones are plain ole analog crap. PCS was the partnership between sprint + cable companies to roll out the GSM stuff and have good coverage, and Spectrum was just your average plain jane cellphone. How can you say Sprint Spectrum was anything but terrible? I had the service, and I'd never, never, ever reccomend it - even to my worst enemy. I dont have a PCS phone right now (have a Nokia + Cellular One) but I'm probably getting that next. The voice quality is far better than most other things out there - as long as you are in the PCS network. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 13:15:45 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15548 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990808171544.18042.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.245] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 10:15:44 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paint Job To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My friend said he paid $150 to get his bike painted and he paid $150 to some place in college park. Finally saw him last night at the anacostia thing after party in lanham. Was anyone else (from here) there? --- ImTheMan ITM wrote: > A friend of mine got his bike painted, i'll try to find out what I > can > when I see him. > > --- x96matteson@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hello fellow Dc-cyclers, > > > > I have a '95 YZK 600 that I want to get painted > > black. I also want to get > > my decals redone in silver to match the frame. > > Anyone know of a place in > > D.C. that does this, Does a good job, and does not > > cost a mint?? Thanks > > for any info. > > > > Ryan > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 13:32:17 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15770 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.175]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:26:57 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Paint Job Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <007901bee1c3$73c03040$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990808171544.18042.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Check out www.tapeworks.com for your emblems. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 13:32:26 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15769 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.175]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:26:57 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Paint Job Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <007901bee1c3$73c03040$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990808171544.18042.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Check out www.tapeworks.com for your emblems. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 13:36:55 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15857 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27599 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:36:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Presenting: Super Sherpa In-Reply-To: <000601bee13a$3da61580$8023accf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mckaw/mcphotos/00sherpa.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 14:41:53 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16818 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-146.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FG500CBET947F@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 14:42:39 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Presenting: Super Sherpa To: LindaT Cc: DC-CYCLES Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <37ADCF86.D99DD924@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <000601bee13a$3da61580$8023accf@oemcomputer> Hey Linda, That is a cool looking bike. I bet it is a blast to ride as well. Are you going to use it for commuting? The gas mileage must be great. LindaT wrote: > Thanks to all for the advice about my purchase. Chapter Two: > > Here I sit, the proud owner of a brand, spankin' new Super Sherpa. I got it > from a dealer several hours away (Berkeley Springs, WV), for considerably > less than I had offered the local dealer. Who'da thunk it? All is not > quite rosy in Springfield, however. When I arrived at the dealership, I was > informed that the speedo/odo did not work as a part was broken. I arranged > to have the replacement sent to me and they demo'ed what needed to be done. > Not too complex, except for propping up the bike to take off the front > wheel. They loaded it on my trailer and I was off. > > Once I got home (several hours later), I took my new baby for a spin and > promptly discovered that the front turnsignals were backward (push left, > blink right), while the rears were fine. Talk about confusing the populace. > Except that nobody pays any attention anyway. After a quick ride, I came > home, reversed the wires and took off again with my GPS bungied to the > handlebars so I would have some clue as to how fast I was going. With no > tach and no speedo, it was a little difficult to judge whether or not I was > being good with the breakin. I will have to work out something more > permanent and stable than a potholder and two baby-bungies. I envision > velcro and something. > > Bike ran fine. I love electric start. What can I say, I'm a wuss. The > tranny is very smooth. After riding my Honda for 60k miles and thunking > through every shift, the Sherpa (aka Tenzing) has a butter smooth shifter. > Power seemed a little down, but I wasn't pushing it and most bikes seem > anemic compared to the CBR. > > All in all, I'm a happy camper. It has this really cute black cylinder that > turns out to be the tools. I hope to ride a lot more tomorrow. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and counting) > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 16:26:22 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18444 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm7a-3.his.com [216.200.82.3]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12558; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990808161608.0090a280@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:16:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: SV jetting Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:37 PM 8/7/99 -0400, Grant Heffernan wrote: >Interesting... what's the fix? New fuel pump? > Install a electric pump. The SV has a vacuum powered fuel pump. Running wide open down the straight the engine is producing the least amount of vacuum & hence the pump cannot keep up with the fuel demand. Either you need to configure a gravity fed system, or power the pump with something other than manifold vacuum. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 16:56:26 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18918 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id QAA01134; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: Stephen Harris cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: SV jetting In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990808161608.0090a280@mail.his.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Makes complete sense to me. I know how all these systems work, but can anyone offer some insight as to how to do this.? Seems to me gravity feed would be easiest to set up? Although I guess I'd need a new petcock for the fuel tank (since the current is vacuum feed). Or could I just add an electric pump to the existing setup? Where can I get a pump/what rating should it be (if they are rated... I assume they're specified to flow a certain amount of fuel.) Any ideas appreciated. ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Stephen Harris wrote: > At 04:37 PM 8/7/99 -0400, Grant Heffernan wrote: > >Interesting... what's the fix? New fuel pump? > > > > Install a electric pump. > > The SV has a vacuum powered fuel pump. Running wide open down the > straight the engine is producing the least amount of vacuum & hence the > pump cannot keep up with the fuel demand. Either you need to configure a > gravity fed system, or power the pump with something other than manifold > vacuum. > > Stephen > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 17:30:35 1999 Return-Path: ryan@XXXXXX Received: from commnet.accn.org (commnet.accn.org [207.73.64.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19545 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from accn.org ([216.120.155.238]) by commnet.accn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18008 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37ADE9CF.54FE986E@accn.org> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:34:23 -0400 From: Ryan Matteson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pipe + Jet Kit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have any recommendations for pipes for a '95 YZF?? I am looking to get a full system and want to get the most horsepower I can. I am also looking at modifications to get more acceleration. I was thinking either Micron or Akrapolvic. Anyone got any suggestions for Max bang for the buck?? Thanks a bundle, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 17:34:00 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19555 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA22607; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:34:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021957; Sun, 8 Aug 99 17:33:21 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG600B6X1C3FQ@XXXXXX>; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C7.0076496D ; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:32:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:31:15 -0400 Subject: Re: MC communications.. To: Bruce Norton Cc: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <852567C7.007645E0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeo, that was me. J&M headset and Talk about plus communicators. --chris PS. I also contacted Brian off-list. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , 'dc' cc: From: Bruce Norton Date: 08/05/99 04:42:22 PM GMT Subject: Re: MC communications.. I believe that was Chris Meier. At the Daytona gathering. Chris? > Someone was at Todd Peers house with a communication system - I can't recall > if it was his 2nd DC-Cycles party, the Daytona party.. or something else... > > Anyway, It was a Motorola Talkabout Plus radio with head-set and ptt setup > for the motorcycle.. I was just curious where that was obtained, and what > kind of $$$ I'd be looking at for a similar set-up. (kinda nice for both > the race-track and general riding) > > Thanks, > > Brian McCoy > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 18:28:00 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20419 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990808222932.20221.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.172] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:29:32 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' To: George Howell , DC-CYCLES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Howell wrote: > Also, I bet that the particular bike makes a > difference as to whether there > is a good chance of over the phone dickering. Was > that '98 ZX-9R just > recently sold, or was it bought last year? This past winter. And of course the model matters... but this was a popular one and the price was still crazy low, and over the phone to boot. Did you notice that Linda was able to take care of her purchase in one day, George? Saved money too...hmmm. -- tg _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 18:36:09 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20585 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.83]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:30:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:32:28 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01bee1ed$e591f800$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990808222932.20221.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It couldn't have been all that popular if it was still sitting around over the winter (of course, I have no idea what the build date was/is on that bike) As for Linda, yeah, I saw that she got the deal she wanted. Way to go. I'm glad things worked out for her. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 18:36:29 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20605 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-35-128.s128.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.35.128]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11218 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:36:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Presenting: Super Sherpa Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:36:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bee1ee$716eb7a0$8023accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <37ADCF86.D99DD924@loudoun.com> Importance: Normal So far, it has been a blast. It's really, really light. Compared to the F3, it's also very, very slow. Maybe once breakin is over, it won't seem THAT bad. I can sorta keep up with the cars ;-). Don't know about the mileage, as I haven't used a whole tank yet. I want to do some off-roading and a little commuting. The commuting will be restricted to when I work in Fairfax. I can't see taking this thing out on the Beltway during rush hour. The speedo problem might be with all Sherpas, so I'm not holding my breath about getting the part to get it fixed. Thanks for asking, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Randy and Julie Moran asked: Hey Linda, That is a cool looking bike. I bet it is a blast to ride as well. Are you going to use it for commuting? The gas mileage must be great. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 20:22:39 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from vopmail.dclink.com (207-168-31-7.gw.eni.net [207.168.31.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22167 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dawnjon (01-057.007.popsite.net [209.100.18.57]) by vopmail.dclink.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.179) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:23:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bee1db$87a55780$391264d1@dawnjon> From: "Jon Schumer" To: References: <37ADE9CF.54FE986E@accn.org> Subject: Re: Pipe + Jet Kit Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:20:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Anyone have any recommendations for pipes for a '95 YZF?? I am looking > to get a full system and want to get the most horsepower I can. I am > also looking at modifications to get more acceleration. I was thinking > either Micron or Akrapolvic. Anyone got any suggestions for Max bang > for the buck?? > Thanks a bundle, > Ryan Head here, these guys are all about HP. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders Jon ICQ# 11193913 88' HawkGT 92' FZR600 http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 22:10:42 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24025 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id WAA22459; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id WAA00274; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5610@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" , "'ghowell@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: What is an Enfield Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:09:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain They are not a dealer down there in White Plains. They are *the* importer for the US. BTW, "they" are Classic Motorcycles, Inc., aka (or is it dba?) Marty Scott. One of the coolest guys you'd ever want to meet. He is in Printers Court, off Demarr, down the street from the Honda dealership. If you wanted to buy an Enfield, you would have to go through a dealer like Winchester Indian (where I got mine). FWIW, I heard today that there is a new Enfield dealer in Frederick, MD. They have 3 bikes on the floor, one of which is the military model. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling George Howell wrote... Who the heck imports them in White Plains?! Must be down in that industrial park behind the old Lowe's?? From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 22:23:38 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24259 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vXYKa13743 (4414) for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <421a6013.24df9565@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:22:29 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/08/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 wow...no more cell phone comments from me! -jim From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 22:30:58 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24426 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA01653; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01bee20f$78725c20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Grant Heffernan" , "Stephen Harris" Cc: "dc-cycles" References: Subject: Re: SV jetting Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:32:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Early VFRs (86-87) I know use a fuel pump (don't know about the other years) and would probably do just the job very well. In any case... if you install a electric pump you should also think about setting up a fuel shut-off relay to shut down the pump in the event of an accident. That way things will not go boom! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Heffernan To: Stephen Harris Cc: dc-cycles Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 4:48 PM Subject: Re: SV jetting > Makes complete sense to me. I know how all these systems work, but can > anyone offer some insight as to how to do this.? Seems to me gravity feed > would be easiest to set up? Although I guess I'd need a new petcock for > the fuel tank (since the current is vacuum feed). Or could I just add an > electric pump to the existing setup? Where can I get a pump/what rating > should it be (if they are rated... I assume they're specified to flow a > certain amount of fuel.) > Any ideas appreciated. > > > ********************************* > Grant Heffernan > SCO Field Systems Engineer > 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 > Reston, VA 20191 > (703) 715-8721 > > On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Stephen Harris wrote: > > > At 04:37 PM 8/7/99 -0400, Grant Heffernan wrote: > > >Interesting... what's the fix? New fuel pump? > > > > > > > Install a electric pump. > > > > The SV has a vacuum powered fuel pump. Running wide open down the > > straight the engine is producing the least amount of vacuum & hence the > > pump cannot keep up with the fuel demand. Either you need to configure a > > gravity fed system, or power the pump with something other than manifold > > vacuum. > > > > Stephen > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 22:40:22 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24606 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-224-88.s88.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.224.88]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15640 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:39:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990808223617.00b736b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 22:39:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: MC communications.. In-Reply-To: <852567C7.007645E0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just found this site...pretty cheap: http://www.familyradios.com/motacc.html Apparently the Motorola TalkAbout models come with built-in VOX ability. The models I bought are only push to talk (PTT). Has anyone found a company that makes headsets with VOX built in for these little FM communicators? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 23:13:23 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25682 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.154]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:08:02 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'dcc'" Subject: RE: What is an Enfield Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:09:48 -0400 Message-ID: <007b01bee214$a3a86ce0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5610@vae820po01.nova.att.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I was just wondering, because I checked the Enfield page, and this is listed as the contact for becoming a dealer: Classic Motorworks P.O. Box 917 Faribault, MN 55021 ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 8 23:26:20 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26297 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-239-202.s456.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.202]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12893 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 99 22:59:02 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: SV jetting /Sat ride(s) To: dc-cycles X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 The 90-97 VFR's also have an electrical fuel pump. Looking at the wiring diagram, the pump has two connections, a supply run off a relay which is supplied by the ignition circuit and switched by the ECU, off the wire that feeds the #4 coil. I can provide a copy of the Wiring diamgram if it would be helpful. The fuse supplying the entire ignition circuit is 10A, so the pump doesn't appear to draw that much. However, I an only find a couple of relays and one small panel bulb supplied by that fuse/circuit, so the pump might be drawing 9A or so. Hard to say. The pump is rated at 900cc/minute minimum flow. I believe late model GSX-R's also run fuel pumps, don't know it electrical. Had 2 nice rides yesterday, Kevin and Roy and some other guy and I did about 150 miles through the GW forest and 211 and so on, real nice but be warned if you're riding 675 through the GW forest-there is a bad unmarked hairpin at the end of a long downhill straight. About 8 miles out of Luray. Would have been nice to ahve a few more, but oh well. Kept feeling like I was slowing Kevin and Roy down, but thet were good sports about it. Did a nice job of de-cupping my front tire, as I burned a bunch of rubber off of it. Also went on the NOVAMGR night ride, which was pleasant if a little boring. Met some neat people though, so worth doing. The ice cream at B&J's in Old Town and the people made it enjoyable. Can't really do sporting riding at night, at least not until I get my IR HUD wired up. Greg --- On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:32:47 -0400 Thomas and Jeannette wrote: >Early VFRs (86-87) I know use a fuel pump (don't know about the other years) >and would probably do just the job very well. In any case... if you install >a electric pump you should also think about setting up a fuel shut-off relay >to shut down the pump in the event of an accident. That way things will not >go boom! :-) > >Tom >'86 VFR750 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Grant Heffernan >To: Stephen Harris >Cc: dc-cycles >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: SV jetting > > >> Makes complete sense to me. I know how all these systems work, but can >> anyone offer some insight as to how to do this.? Seems to me gravity feed >> would be easiest to set up? Although I guess I'd need a new petcock for >> the fuel tank (since the current is vacuum feed). Or could I just add an >> electric pump to the existing setup? Where can I get a pump/what rating >> should it be (if they are rated... I assume they're specified to flow a >> certain amount of fuel.) >> Any ideas appreciated. >> >> >> ********************************* >> Grant Heffernan >> SCO Field Systems Engineer >> 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 >> Reston, VA 20191 >> (703) 715-8721 >> >> On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Stephen Harris wrote: >> >> > At 04:37 PM 8/7/99 -0400, Grant Heffernan wrote: >> > >Interesting... what's the fix? New fuel pump? >> > > >> > >> > Install a electric pump. >> > >> > The SV has a vacuum powered fuel pump. Running wide open down the >> > straight the engine is producing the least amount of vacuum & hence the >> > pump cannot keep up with the fuel demand. Either you need to configure >a >> > gravity fed system, or power the pump with something other than manifold >> > vacuum. >> > >> > Stephen >> > >> > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? >> > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm >> > >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/8/99 HSTA/AMA 10:59:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 03:32:05 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA00942 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id DAA04351; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles , cbr@XXXXXX Subject: enclosed trailer for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pics are located here: http://www.kens.com/trailerpics Taking offers. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 06:28:22 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05345 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id GAA07672; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id GAA13845; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:27:18 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5611@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" , "'jckozyn@XXXXXX'" Subject: You win a dollar Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:27:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain It's great to see some interest in the vintage Brit bikes. I just happened to luck into my Bonnie 3 years ago, and ever since "The Sickness" has deepened. ;) Great bikes. And John's challenge has been bugging me. I'm supposed to know something about these things, right? Well I think I've got it. The timing side bush. Triumphs had a ball bearing on the timing side, whereas BSA's had a bush. Did I get it? Do I win? Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling John Wrote... OK, George put your money where your mouth is ;) For $1.00, what is the fundamental difference between BSA and Triumph unit twin engines? Because outside of cosmetics (decals etc) there is _no_ appreciable difference between them except for this one ;^P From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 06:46:29 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05645 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:43:12 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C1DD@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Broken down on I-495 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:44:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'll take it and here is my number in case you get stuck. I can give you a life in my pickup. Its 703-658-4870 Glenn -----Original Message----- From: ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 6:30 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Broken down on I-495 I know nothing of this incident, but for those of you thinking of getting a cell phone, this is exactly a good reason why. I have mine. A few times I've seen people broken down (cars)and have pulled over and offered them use of my cell phone. Some use it, some already contacted someone... but I have an extra sense of security knowing I have my cell phone, wether driving or riding, and I've used it enough times, it really is valuable. I don't abuse it either, I dont use it for social calls. For those of you who frequent the MD side of the beltway, and don't have some type of warranty/ tow plan, I have a pickup truck, and I'll help you out in an emergency where you and your bike are on the side of the road and absolutely need a tow. I'll do it without charge or fee, I'm not rich, so feel free to give me gas money, or make any kind of donation you want, whatever it's worth to you, if you can afford anything.. but i know when your vehicle is broken down, you need your money for repairs also, so like I said, it's an emergency, so it'll be free. I won't even bring up money, or ask for any compensation. I'll bring my pickup out, and give you and your bike a lift, to say.. within 30 minutes/miles in MD. If you want to go farther than that, you'll need to settle on going to a local bikeshop, or just putting it in a safe place to park until you can figure something out later, or pay me handsomely to take you somewhere far :) This offer is only good for you who email me, and only you, not your 10 riding buddies. I can't become a free tow guy for everyone in this part of Maryland :) I'm basicly making the offer to help out others in this list/group. Bikes are pretty reliable so I don't expect to be over run with calls or anything, but an emergency is an emergency.. if you need a tow, you need a tow. Keep in mind I'm not an autoclub and sometimes my cell phone ringer is off and I might not be available.. but odds are I will be, and that I'll answer the phone.. but like i said, it's possible you might not get an answer, but can leave a message to call you back, mean while you can try to make other arrangements...because there's always the chance i'm out on a date with the ringer off, or maybe in a deep sleep and the ringer is turned down low.. but i basicly have no life, so the odds are in your favor hehe. So for those of you in MD (near dc), email me for my cell number, and you can put it under your seat or in your cell phone or something, and have it in case of an emergency. -Daniel --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Last night, while riding back from visiting a friend in Rockville, > I passed a > broken down sports bike (didn't notice what brand) on I-495, outter > loop, just > after going under I-66, in the left hand shoulder. It was starting > to get dark > out. The rider was standing next to the bike, looking frustrated. > I circled > around since I didn't have enough room/time to pull over (ok, I was > going > slightly over 55 mph) and asked if he needed a ride to a phone. He > looked very > relieved, and told me he had a friend who lives off Gallows Road, > near the > hospital. I dropped him off in the parking lot, and he went > running off (after > thanking me profusely). > > Was that anyone on the list, or a friend or something? I'd just > like to know > if the rider got his bike and made it home okay. > > Louis > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 07:02:50 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05876 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id aGLWa03769 (14444); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61380c48.24e00f13@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:01:39 EDT Subject: Re: cell-phones To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 8/8/99 11:32:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, alexm@XXXXXX writes: << PCS is the gsm1900 technology, and the old spectrum phones are plain ole analog crap. PCS was the partnership between sprint + cable companies to roll out the GSM stuff and have good coverage, and Spectrum was just your average plain jane cellphone. >> Actually the fellow you responded to was absolutely right. Sprint Spectrum used the GSM protocol at the higher (1800-1900 Mhz) U.S. land mobile band. (In Europe and elsewhere land mobile is at 800-900 Mhz). Most digital networks in the U.S. now are CDMA protocol at the higher land-mobile frequencies. The service providers got together and decided to adopt CDMA (I believe Qualcom the developer of CDMA lobbied harder than GSM which could have been adopted for free given it's public domain nature). When there was sufficient coverage Sprint Spectrum worked on the par with European GSM systems I use (and am using as I write, being in Italy). Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 07:04:52 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05896 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:04:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id mKBGa06268 (14444); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:03:35 EDT Subject: Re: cell-phones To: skight@XXXXXX, alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 8/8/99 11:53:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skight@XXXXXX writes: << No I am not confused. I work with a cell phone company right now. >> That's exactly what I said, you are not confused. :-)) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 07:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA06200 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Mon, 9 Aug 99 11:21:25 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa0038W; Mon, 09 Aug 99 11:21:22 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 04:21:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Retro Brit-Bikes Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 04:21:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Aye.. that I have seen.... very appealing bike, both visualy and by sound - must be a 'cafe' style bike, because that's what appeals to my senses most... :) Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > In a message dated 8/6/99 9:55:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: > > << Perhaps the best example of such a > machine would be the Paul Dustall Norton from the early 70s. > I believe > he used to make other race exhaust systems also. >> > > Actually, most "Cafe Racers" were built from the standard > bikes by their > owners. Some in the group have seen my yellow Commando which > is a fairly > typical cafe racer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 07:28:49 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA06297 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Mon, 9 Aug 99 11:28:46 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa003K_; Mon, 09 Aug 99 11:28:42 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 04:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help.! Jetting trouble Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 04:28:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sounds like this is the biggest problem so-far.... the rest sounds fairly typical (even from when I was living 20 miles away from Dynojet HQ's and had their 'expert' advise and free dyno runs, we had to fiddle with their stock jet-jets to get things to run right. Factory, IMNSHO, does a Much better job with their jet kits... Brian (sorry, this doesn't help your problem - I honestly don't think it'll be well and truly sorted out till you either get it to a Competant place with a dyno, or run identical settings as someone else with a well sorted SV) > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant Heffernan [mailto:granth@XXXXXX] > Installed the Dynojet kit.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 07:50:03 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07067 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809115013.11220.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 04:50:13 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 04:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Sugarloaf Mountain To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While taking a friend for a ride on Saturday, I ended up being near Sugarloaf Mountain. I remember from a DC-Cycles group ride a year or two ago, that there was a sign saying motorcycles were not allowed, but figured I'd give it a try anyway. I stopped by the entrance waiting for a family and their dogs to walk by, when a woman came up to me. She said that normally motorcycles are not allowed to go up the mountain, but because they were not having a wedding at the lodge, I could go up if I wanted. So it seems that the reason (or one of the reasons anyway) that motorcycles aren't allowed was they were disturbing weddings? (Loud pipes? Crashes? Revving engines?) I should have asked for more information, but didn't think of it at the time. Louis _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 07:54:02 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07114 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA17744; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA20537; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:52:58 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5612@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" , "'jckozyn@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: You win a dollar Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:52:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain ...And until we get our email fixed here at work, send all IOU's to rcrishock@XXXXXX :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Crishock, Richard M, BGM > Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 6:27 AM > To: 'dcc'; 'jckozyn@XXXXXX' > Subject: You win a dollar > > It's great to see some interest in the vintage Brit bikes. I just > happened to luck into my Bonnie 3 years ago, and ever since "The Sickness" > has deepened. ;) Great bikes. > > And John's challenge has been bugging me. I'm supposed to know something > about these things, right? Well I think I've got it. The timing side > bush. Triumphs had a ball bearing on the timing side, whereas BSA's had a > bush. Did I get it? Do I win? > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling > > > John Wrote... > > > OK, George put your money where your mouth is ;) For $1.00, what is the > fundamental difference between BSA and Triumph unit twin engines? > Because outside of cosmetics (decals etc) there is _no_ appreciable > difference between them except for this one ;^P > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:00:59 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08209 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-15.patriot.net [206.29.51.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07267; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:00:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37AED00F.8C2658E4@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 08:56:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <19990809115013.11220.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If that road recieved one dime from the feds for construction or maintinence, thenthere can be no restriction against motorcycles. It's da law - recently passed. Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > While taking a friend for a ride on Saturday, I ended up being near Sugarloaf > Mountain. I remember from a DC-Cycles group ride a year or two ago, that there > was a sign saying motorcycles were not allowed, but figured I'd give it a try > anyway. I stopped by the entrance waiting for a family and their dogs to walk > by, when a woman came up to me. She said that normally motorcycles are not > allowed to go up the mountain, but because they were not having a wedding at > the lodge, I could go up if I wanted. So it seems that the reason (or one of > the reasons anyway) that motorcycles aren't allowed was they were disturbing > weddings? (Loud pipes? Crashes? Revving engines?) > > I should have asked for more information, but didn't think of it at the time. > > Louis > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:08:20 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08296 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809130825.21780.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 06:08:24 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cell-phones To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some cell phone stuff: Whatever good points Sprint has, their utter inability to issue an accurate invoice or provide any service pretty much negates them. After having a horrendous experience with Sprint Spectrum (the people, not the technology) and even worse with Sprint LD (should you really have to call their corporate office -- whose number they go to great lengths to keep secret -- to get your bill straightened out & make them stop having collections agencies call you about money you don't owe?) I would not touch anything connected with them for any reason, ever. I use AT&T -- I've noticed major problems along the connector between the Toll Road and I-66. Lots of dead spots. Anyone else experienced this? --- skight@XXXXXX wrote: > Actually sprint, nextel, and at+t (withtheir local > affiliates) have 100% > coverage. Not with their own networks of course, > but with local providers > in analog. Any of the at+t phones (nokia 5160, 6160 > and soon 8860 (WOW is > it nice, and yes I have used them) or ericsson > (714, the rest are crap) > phones work. I have used mine in backcountry > arkansas, down to Fourt > lauderdale florida, even in puerto rico. > California.. everywhere. > > Here is the key, if you are in an analog roaming > area, you CAN check your > voice mail, unfortunately the customer care people > might not know this > trick. I dont have my phone infront of me so I dont > remember the number, > but its like *50 then talk. This will send a signal > back to AT+T (sprint > and nextel have similar procedures) that will shut > off roaming. Your phone > will immediately transfer to voice mail upon being > called. > > Definitely though, is you are looking at which > phone, sprint sucks. thats > my opinion, I loved spectrum. Much better voice > quality, but gsm1900 is a > dying system in america due to government > regulations. Each cell site costs > about 5k-10k in hardware, but you need 2times as > many then regular cdma and > tdma digital. We regulated thehell out of setting > up a cell site, and now > gsm isnt worth the investment. so now sprint pcs.. > I hate the phones, and > the service is terrible. > > Nextel has neato features. And very good coverage. > The i1000 is > superneato. > AT+T has good phones, and good features, and the > most complete coverage of > any of the brands. But the nextel phones have more > features. > > Now to bring this back to bikes.. I know a few > people who have gotten the > earpeices and use their phones while on their bikes. > You can get the > mounting brackets and mount them up just like you > would to a car. > Personally, I think its bad when I use my phone in > the car, but on the > bike.. I think its a terrible mistake. Plus you can > use the excuse "Sorry, > I couldnt answer the call, I was on my bike" ;> > > Oh, and the digital phone systems in this area have > quite a bit of unused > bandwith. Its amazing in fact. Analog is > completely crushed of course. > The only time I have ever seen the limits reached is > out at dulles. We were > snowed in trying to leave out to puerto rico. > (ALMOST made it) got off the > plane and EVERYONE whipped out their cellphones. It > was amazing. Well that > and las vegas for a big computer show (N+I) > > Scot > 98 916 - Arrow Pipes. > 95 900ss/cr - Lots of stuff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 7:34 AM > To: George Howell > Cc: JimJacks@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: cell-phones > > > I have a digital - better than the Sprint piece of > crappola I had before. In > this region the cell phone is reliable, but I > travel. Usually to the > boonies. > Fav area, the swampy coastline of the Carolinas. > Tower? Yeah, uh huh. We're > talking some of these burgs are still using rotary > dials and have party > lines. > > Other problems on the road. Cell systems which don't > have an "agreement" > with > your system. Pain in the tookus making a call then. > And areas with no > digital > service. You can't retrieve VM messages. > > But the one time I needed the phone it worked. SW VA > - big ol' chunk of > aluminum > window frame spiked my rear tire. Dial #77 and the > State police rounded up a > tow > truck. Guy punched a dozen plugs in the hole and > led me to a cycle shop > that > tossed a new tire on it for $25 plus the tire. Tow > truck guy charged $25 > too. > Cheap. > > Bill > > George Howell wrote: > > > > Basically, people are buying so many cell phones > that there is no reason > to > > improve the service. With so many users, and so > few improvements, there > > essentially isn't enough bandwidth to serve the > customers. It's > particularly > > bad in this area. (Bad enough that I don't > currently own a cell phone). > > > > If you can, get a digital phone. They are slightly > less overwhelmed than > the > > traditional cell networks. > > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:12:39 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08376 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA21812 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:12:35 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:12:35 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:12:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >If that road recieved one dime from the feds for construction >or maintinence, then there can be no restriction against >motorcycles. It's da law - recently passed. It's private property Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:14:19 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08386 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809131448.22360.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 06:14:48 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: Bill Huson Cc: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's private property/private road, although usually open to the public. They may have received federal money, but there was no indication of that in the information I read about the place. Belongs to a mining company or something like that. Louis --- Bill Huson wrote: > If that road recieved one dime from the feds for construction or maintinence, > thenthere can be no restriction against motorcycles. It's da law - recently > passed. > > Bill > > > > Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > While taking a friend for a ride on Saturday, I ended up being near > Sugarloaf > > Mountain. I remember from a DC-Cycles group ride a year or two ago, that > there > > was a sign saying motorcycles were not allowed, but figured I'd give it a > try > > anyway. I stopped by the entrance waiting for a family and their dogs to > walk > > by, when a woman came up to me. She said that normally motorcycles are not > > allowed to go up the mountain, but because they were not having a wedding > at > > the lodge, I could go up if I wanted. So it seems that the reason (or one > of > > the reasons anyway) that motorcycles aren't allowed was they were > disturbing > > weddings? (Loud pipes? Crashes? Revving engines?) > > > > I should have asked for more information, but didn't think of it at the > time. > > > > Louis > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:29:52 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08646 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809132834.11299.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.176] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 06:28:34 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are you serious? I used to live a mile from Sugerloaf and was up there all the time on my bikes. Never saw a sign and never heard word one from anybody regarding a prohibition. I'm pretty sure a ban would be illegal anyway (provided that's a government park, which I believe it is). -- tg --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > While taking a friend for a ride on Saturday, I > ended up being near Sugarloaf > Mountain. I remember from a DC-Cycles group ride a > year or two ago, that there > was a sign saying motorcycles were not allowed, but > figured I'd give it a try > anyway. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:31:54 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08730 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:31:52 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA26729; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:32:28 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa20522; Mon, 9 Aug 99 09:24:18 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG700M8X9CK1K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C8.00497DA2 ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:22:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:21:13 -0400 Subject: Re: MC communications.. To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C8.00496D76.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Do not even bother trying VOX unless you ride behind a barndoor of a windshield ... the wind noise screws it up (yes, even in a full-face helmet). --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Mike T Date: 08/09/99 02:39:43 AM GMT Subject: Re: MC communications.. Just found this site...pretty cheap: http://www.familyradios.com/motacc.html Apparently the Motorola TalkAbout models come with built-in VOX ability. The models I bought are only push to talk (PTT). Has anyone found a company that makes headsets with VOX built in for these little FM communicators? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:35:32 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08819 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18131; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:34:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809093222.0151ea10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:34:58 -0400 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: MC communications.. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567C8.00496D85.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:21 AM 8/9/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Do not even bother trying VOX unless you ride behind a barndoor of a >windshield ... the wind noise screws it up (yes, even in a full-face >helmet). > >--chris Actually - I had a VOX device that worked fine before - the NADY PRC-8. Or do you mean the TalkAbout VOX operation? I would think that a custom headset would allow you to adjust the noise factor. I think I found the headset I was looking for. Kenwood makes a communicator w/o built in VOX, and they offer a VOX headset for $69. I am waiting to see if it will work with my Audiovox model. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:36:28 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08832 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:36:27 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA01835; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:36:09 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029223; Mon, 9 Aug 99 09:33:06 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG700LRF9RLCK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C8.004A53B3 ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:31:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:31:08 -0400 Subject: I Need D207s! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C8.004A531E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. Had a fun weekend checking out the YSR races with Brian N. Man, those bikes look like a LOT of fun! If you ever get a chance, go check out these little 50-80cc bikes at Monrovia Raceway, a little go-cart track up near Frederick. No charge for spectating, and everyone's really friendly. A warning, though: If you go, you WILL want to buy and race one of these things! Anyway, some guys at the track that day noticed that my VTR had a nail in the rear tire. Hmm... this explains the squirmy handling of the last few days. I need some new tires (the old ones are near the end of their life anyway), and I'm going to get Dunlop D207ZRs if possible. Anyone have a set of race take-offs or a source for cheap tires? Who were the guys on the list with the tire mounting doohickey? Thanks for any info. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:42:46 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08932 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AACC7880180; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:42:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809090647.00d24990@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:09:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes In-Reply-To: <37AB330F.805A7E9F@patriot.net> References: <005001bee01c$597fb3c0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:10 PM 8/6/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >They may have overlooked the fact that the Drifter is one butt-ugly bike. Oh well, that's personal preference for you. I think it's a really nice looking bike. I like the idea of a retro look with a modern bike underneath (what a concept!). Of course, they royally screwed themselves by mounting the rear fender onto the rear suspension rather than onto the bike's frame - that's what makes that eyesore gap between the fender and the dual seat. So add a solo seat with fringe and conchos and you're done (well, add a windshield if you're going over 40mph much!). chacun a son gout, Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:42:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08934 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AAD17880180; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:42:41 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809091510.00d28e70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:17:56 -0400 To: "'dcc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: What is an Enfield In-Reply-To: <007401bee14c$ae4b7f20$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <37ACC454.DC241D86@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:18 PM 8/7/99 , George Howell wrote: >When did they start carrying the Urals? Last time I was there (last fall??) >he wasn't carrying them. I think Winchester Indian stopped selling Urals. A friend has one of the Ural Sportsman (2 wheel drive sidecar rig) and it's reliability has been terrible. A couple times he couldn't even get back from the dealer before something else broke. Here's Winchester Indian's web site-- http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:44:37 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08961 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA10771; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:45:06 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001944; Mon, 9 Aug 99 09:35:49 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG7000ET9W3E7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C8.004A901E ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:34:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:33:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C8.004A8B46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Even if it weren't on private property, it's in Maryland (if it's the same Sugarloaf I'm familiar with). The recent de-restriction was for Virginia state-supported roads, not federal roads or Maryland roads. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: "Louis F. Caplan" It's private property/private road, although usually open to the public. They may have received federal money, but there was no indication of that in the information I read about the place. Belongs to a mining company or something like that. Louis --- Bill Huson wrote: > If that road recieved one dime from the feds for construction or maintinence, > thenthere can be no restriction against motorcycles. It's da law - recently > passed. > > Bill > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:48:37 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09040 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-15.patriot.net [206.29.51.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11618; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:48:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37AEDB3D.68698CC8@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:44:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <19990809131448.22360.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh well. Then they can set thier own rules, altough I wouldn't be put out if someone didn't want me chugging past a wedding ceremony. A bit of noise might push an ultra-nervous bride/groom over the edge and cause chaos. :-) Bill Who's bride was so nervous she shook the petals off her bouquet. Louis F. Caplan wrote: > It's private property/private road, although usually open to the public. They > may have received federal money, but there was no indication of that in the > information I read about the place. Belongs to a mining company or something > like that. > > Louis > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > If that road recieved one dime from the feds for construction or maintinence, > > thenthere can be no restriction against motorcycles. It's da law - recently > > passed. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > > > While taking a friend for a ride on Saturday, I ended up being near > > Sugarloaf > > > Mountain. I remember from a DC-Cycles group ride a year or two ago, that > > there > > > was a sign saying motorcycles were not allowed, but figured I'd give it a > > try > > > anyway. I stopped by the entrance waiting for a family and their dogs to > > walk > > > by, when a woman came up to me. She said that normally motorcycles are not > > > allowed to go up the mountain, but because they were not having a wedding > > at > > > the lodge, I could go up if I wanted. So it seems that the reason (or one > > of > > > the reasons anyway) that motorcycles aren't allowed was they were > > disturbing > > > weddings? (Loud pipes? Crashes? Revving engines?) > > > > > > I should have asked for more information, but didn't think of it at the > > time. > > > > > > Louis > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 09:52:46 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09119 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809135050.14999.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.176] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 06:50:50 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:50:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I Need D207s! To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, the tire mounting tool is group-owned, so I can't help you there....contact Todd Peer (todd.b.peer@XXXXXX) about a possible buy-in. But, and you will definitely be surprised by this one, Coleman's in Falls Church is THE CHEAPEST local source for D207s (street compound). $99.99 fronts for most sizes $12x.xx rears for most sizes I'm not kidding here. Almost as cheap as mail order + shipping, and no wait. -- tg --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I need some new tires (the old ones are near > the end of their life > anyway), and I'm going to get Dunlop D207ZRs if > possible. Anyone have a set > of race take-offs or a source for cheap tires? Who > were the guys on the > list with the tire mounting doohickey? _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 10:02:56 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09301 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18209; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:02:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809095945.014df060@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:02:22 -0400 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567C8.004A8B46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:33 AM 8/9/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Even if it weren't on private property, it's in Maryland (if it's the same >Sugarloaf I'm familiar with). The recent de-restriction was for Virginia >state-supported roads, not federal roads or Maryland roads. I am pretty sure there was already Federal legislation in place protecting any road that received federal funds (aka - every state built road). The VA law didn't give us any more protection than we already had...just a feel good measure. I didn't get any riding in this weekend. But it was beautiful out there this morning. Have to zip up my vents in the morning, and lose the jacket in the afternoon.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 10:06:14 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09397 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:06:13 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA04041; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:06:31 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019242; Mon, 9 Aug 99 09:52:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG7001RIANTS0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C8.004C1430 ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:50:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:50:06 -0400 Subject: Re: MC communications.. To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C8.004C0E29.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Good luck. VOX has been useless for me with Chatterbox and Maxon. Marginal with J&M. PTT was useless on the Maxon, marginal on the Chatterbox and excellent on the J&M. --chris PS. Looking back, if I hadn't messed around with all these systems to find the right one, I could have gone straight to Autocom for about the same price. :-( Unfortunately for those out there looking at comm systems, I have (personnally) learned that you just can't do it effectively for $19.99. YMMV To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Date: 08/09/99 01:34:58 PM GMT Subject: Re: MC communications.. At 09:21 AM 8/9/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Do not even bother trying VOX unless you ride behind a barndoor of a >windshield ... the wind noise screws it up (yes, even in a full-face >helmet). > >--chris Actually - I had a VOX device that worked fine before - the NADY PRC-8. Or do you mean the TalkAbout VOX operation? I would think that a custom headset would allow you to adjust the noise factor. I think I found the headset I was looking for. Kenwood makes a communicator w/o built in VOX, and they offer a VOX headset for $69. I am waiting to see if it will work with my Audiovox model. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 10:10:54 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09428 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809140938.16272.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.176] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 07:09:38 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Wheelin' and dealin' To: George Howell , DC-CYCLES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Howell wrote: > It couldn't have been all that popular if it was > still sitting around over > the winter (of course, I have no idea what the build > date was/is on that > bike) Well, it obviously wasn't too popular at THAT particular dealership, which is one of the money-saving points some people have been trying to make. Of course, don't try that strategy at Loudon Motorsports (contrary to Glenn Dysart's suggestion). '96 CBR900RR still sitting on the floor last winter and the owner was still holding out for a good ol' fashioned customer reaming. I think he eventually got it, too. -- tg _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 10:13:37 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09515 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A20A3DC026C; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:13:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809100828.00d72aa0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:13:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain In-Reply-To: <852567C8.004A8B46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:33 AM 8/9/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Even if it weren't on private property, it's in Maryland (if it's the same >Sugarloaf I'm familiar with). The recent de-restriction was for Virginia >state-supported roads, not federal roads or Maryland roads. Not exactly. There's Federal law that says any highway that gets Federal money can't exclude motorcycles unless they can be shown to be a hazard. This was the loophole VDOT tried to use to keep us out of the HOV lanes. VDOT then reviewed another state's study (Minnesota maybe?) and learned that it's safer to have motorcycles in HOV lanes than mixing it up in the regular lanes (smile, that's your tax dollars funding VDOT!). Then VDOT opened up the HOV lanes and conducted a study for about 2 years to see if there were any problems with bikes and HOV lanes - there weren't (smile, your tax dollars at work yet again!). Then the VA legislature passed a law that will keep VDOT from pulling these kind of stunts again. Groups such as ABATE, VCOM, and MRF were instrumental in getting this legislation passed. So the Federal law gives you arguing power. The Virginia law makes it plain enough that even a Virginia politician can figure out what must be done. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 10:27:34 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09753 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809142704.28700.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 07:27:04 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The law also provided support at toll facilities in VA. In fact I believe this was the initial reason that got the work rolling for this. Previously motorcycles with sidecars or trailers (i.e. 3 axles) were getting charged the rate that trucks with multiple axles normally are charged. Now they are only charged the regular motorcycle rate. VDOT had promised several times that they wouldn't overcharge the motorcycles, but never followed through, which is why VCOM and the other organizations pushed this bill/law all the way through. Source of info: VCOM Newsletters (pulled from memory though) Louis --- Chris Norloff wrote: > At 09:33 AM 8/9/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > >Even if it weren't on private property, it's in Maryland (if it's the same > >Sugarloaf I'm familiar with). The recent de-restriction was for Virginia > >state-supported roads, not federal roads or Maryland roads. > > > Not exactly. There's Federal law that says any highway that gets Federal > money can't exclude motorcycles unless they can be shown to be a > hazard. This was the loophole VDOT tried to use to keep us out of the HOV > lanes. VDOT then reviewed another state's study (Minnesota maybe?) and > learned that it's safer to have motorcycles in HOV lanes than mixing it up > in the regular lanes (smile, that's your tax dollars funding VDOT!). > > Then VDOT opened up the HOV lanes and conducted a study for about 2 years > to see if there were any problems with bikes and HOV lanes - there weren't > (smile, your tax dollars at work yet again!). > > Then the VA legislature passed a law that will keep VDOT from pulling these > kind of stunts again. Groups such as ABATE, VCOM, and MRF were > instrumental in getting this legislation passed. > > So the Federal law gives you arguing power. The Virginia law makes it > plain enough that even a Virginia politician can figure out what must be > done. > > > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, Virginia > 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 10:30:17 1999 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09839 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vYXDa06597 (3963); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <79871bb5.24e03fb7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:29:11 EDT Subject: Was: I Need D207s! Re:YSR Racing To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I (Tom T.) & Sean S. were there also, me being the nail spotter. Chris is right, these bikes are the heat! Knee dragging supreme! Great attitudes of the racers! Sean & I literally had to turn down two guy's that were offering to let us ride the bikes after the races. We knew we'd go out there and tear something up! The racing was tight and furious! The highlight was the "open class" races that consisted of mutant YSR's with YZ/RM/CR 80 motocross engines. These things rocked! Massive 3rd gear wheelies and high corner speeds with knee puck shavings flying! Sean will probably have one in his garage by Friday. I hope to be not far behind! Check out their webpage: www.teamcalamari.com Tom T. 98 R1 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 10:39:03 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09918 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA11789 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:38:58 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:38:58 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:YSR Racing Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:38:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Chris is right, these bikes are the heat! >Knee dragging supreme! And that's with the bike straight up and down!! ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:00:26 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10365 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Mon, 9 Aug 99 15:00:20 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa005yj; Mon, 09 Aug 99 15:00:11 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:00:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:59:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) in the 15+ times I've stopped by the Mtn.. only once have I been turned away.. and the guy at the gate told me "Man, if my boss weren't standing right there" pointing behind me "I'd let you up".. I turned to look and didn't see anyone who might be the owner/boss.. and didn't really push the issue - figguring that I'd rather swim in welcome waters than stir up trouble. As far as I'm aware, the Mtn. is private property.. if the road isn't necessary to reach a public destination, then I don't see how anyone can mandate it a public-use road..... How much you wanna bet it's loud-pipes that got bikes banned.... and it's a likely attraction for those HD's from the metro area who want to take a 'long' all day trip... (you know, yuppies from Patomic). Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:08:53 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10444 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:08:52 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id aDKMa06600 (4452); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:07:58 EDT Subject: Highway 11/trip To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hondariders@XXXXXX, , wheeltowheel@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Next week I will be taking a trip from Martinsburg, WV to Hattiesburg, MS. I thought I might take RT 11. If anyone has any suggestions, tips, cautions please let me know. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:13:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10535 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04333 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13368 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id LAA22608; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809111047.00a38160@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:15:59 -0400 To: SV650@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: SV650 stock hp, jetting and brief race report / slides binding Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <199908091424.HAA19447@lists1.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Quick question... is that the 4th groove from the top? Also, did you experience any problems with the motor cutting out at around 8k? I've got just about the same setup as you, with a TBR pipe instead of the M4. Right now it's just NOT running well, and I've currently got it set up with 134 mains, 3rd clip needle, and 3 turns out. Did you drill the slides as described in the kit? Also, I'm not sure what the slides should be doing physically... tech supp. at dynojet said the symptoms I'm having could be from the slides not retracting fully. What kind of movement should I be seeing from them? Watching with the air cleaner off, the seem to shudder up and down a little, but I haven't gotten on the throttle to see if they retract all the way. At 09:06 AM 8/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >I posted last week that I would be getting my SV dyno tuned. >Well, the results are in. > >My SV made 63.6 hp stock with just an M4 race exhaust. >It made 64.8 with a Dynojet jet kit installed to baseline settings. >After six dyno runs and some tweaking it makes 70 to 70.2 hp > >Baseline settings are 138 mains, 3rd groove on needle, I think 1 1/2 >turns out on pilot. > >My current settings are 136 mains, 4th groove and 2 1/2 turns out. > >Did not make any mods to the air box yet. Will probably wait until off >season >for that now. Probably another hp or 2 there. Since there is a 70 hp LW >limit in >our race org. (GLRRA) this year, I'll only make the mod if we can keep >peak hp where it's at and just increase hp/torque in other parts of the >curve. > >Overall, the curve is significantly better than stock and baseline jet kit, >especially at the low and high ends. > >Also at the track they dyno'd another bone stock SV, it made 62.6 hp. >The same guy who did my dyno tuning also said a bone stock SV >(also currently being raced) he dynoed earlier in the year made 62.x hp. > >I say that low 60's is probably what your getting stock, but with just a >pipe and jet kit, 70 hp is no problem. I think that the SV is easily >capable of 74-75 >hp with a few more mods (airbox, timing) > > >As for racing this weekend, Saturday morning was a good practice, I was >within 1.5 seconds >of my race times from Round 5. Then at noon when the racing started, so >did the rain. >It went from bad to worse. I did the endurace (supposed to be 15 lap, cut >to 8 lap) race and thought it >would never end. After that, it turned into a monsoon. I ended up >skipping the last 2 races. > >Sunday went well. I mostly ran better times than Round 5, with a best lap >of almost a second better >than last time. Another SV racer (the bone stock one dyno'd at the track) >was behind in on the straight a couple times. >He said he could hang with me in my draft, but would lose me as soon as out >of it. >I got an 8th in LW GP. Could have done better but got in a rut after >passing a few people and couldn't get out of it. >I could have and should have easily caught 7th and 6th. >I'll end up getting last in HW ST. I was running great, but a TL and a >Ducati were in my way. >I'd almost run into them in the esses (turns 5 - 6a/b) then could almost >pass going into the bus stop, then >they'd pull huge distance on me on the straight, then I'd catch them again. >I think I probably could have done >33's if they weren't in my way. Next time I'll need to get a better 1st >lap to hopefully get by them before the straight. >Bad news, one of the wires under along the subframe slipped out from under >my tailsection and seperated on the last lap. >So I lost my position. Ack.. > >Overall, I got faster, and the bike is running very strong, so that's good >My biggest ket to improvement is now completely me >getting faster. Saturday sucked, and Sunday I could have done better. A >lousy points weekend, but hopefully I can make it >up in the season finale. Oh yeah, out Round 8 is cancelled due to Putnam >Park being money hungry and trying to >raise the price at the last minute. Nice. >Other good news. I was in 5th overall in LW ST and LW GP going into round >7. It'd be nice to finish out the year with 2 top 5 overall classes (of 5 >I race regularly). > >later, > >Damian Dobosz >GLRRA #33 AM >www.3-2racing.com > > > > >To unsubscribe: SV650-request@XXXXXX >with: unsubscribe - in message body ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:18:01 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10626 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA23171 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:17:53 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:17:53 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:17:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >How much you wanna bet it's loud-pipes that got bikes banned... I looked into this a few years ago, and noise was cited as the issue. >it's a likely attraction for those HD's from the metro area... It could just as easily be a sportbike - the loudest bike that I've been behind in years was a visiting VFR on a DC-Cycles ride about a year ago - was loud enough for me to pull over and let a few bikes get between me and him. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:25:13 1999 Return-Path: edwardsmi@XXXXXX Received: from gate.saic-arlington.com (gate.saic-arlington.com [209.124.1.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10726 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-arl-asg.mail.saic.com by gate.saic-arlington.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 15:25:41 UT Received: from F4 ([149.8.42.17]) by arl-asg-exch01.saic-arlington.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id QNCW77RX; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:12:36 -0400 Message-ID: <03a301bee27b$27d30c30$112a0895@f4> From: "Michael Edwards" To: References: <19990809151232.5612.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: comm port data Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:23:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Yea i hung out at the park Saturday, it was cool to sit around and listen to all the guys talk shit about who can outrun who!! After that I had some relatives come in town so I had to dip!! NEWAY a friend of mine is selling his 97 F3. His member name is kb20720, click on his profile to see the bike! I've got another guy here on the team evaluating commo hopefully he'll have it done bu COB today! ----- Original Message ----- From: ITM To: Michael Edwards Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 11:12 AM Subject: Re: comm port data > My ninja is a 1992 250. No mods.. Hopefully I can get this 600 > katana my friend is selling.. if things go my way.. Did you go > to any events on saturday? And let me know whenever you try out > commo. > > --- Michael Edwards wrote: > > Daniel, > > > > That sounds like exactly what I need, DOS will be just fine for > > this > > application, no windows GUI needed. I appreciate the info I'll > > download the > > program today and put it on our simulation! I tried hyperterminal > > and all > > those but for some reason i couldn't get the damn thing to RCV, It > > transmitted fine but couldn't get the other terminal to receive! > > Oh well I > > gave up on that on Friday, so hopefully commo will work well.! > > > > NEWAY I wish that was my bike you saw in Marlboro, then I wouldn't > > have to > > ride so far to hook up with the gang, I ridin out of C'vlle VA! > > Hey what > > year and size is your Ninja? Got any mods on it? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 10:38 PM > > Subject: comm port data > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mtownmob.com/_ITM/commo.zip > > > > > > > > > Here's the link to a dos comm program that lets you send and > > recieve > > > data to the comm port. You can also format it, and view it. What > > it > > > is, is an old dos comm (terminal) program, i've used it on a > > null > > > modem cable across my comm ports on 2 pc's and so it should work > > for > > > what you're trying to do. It's not the original zip archive, i > > > couldnt' find it, but I archived what I had. > > > > > > Read the commo.doc file in the zip file, for official program > > > information/use. > > > > > > you can probably find it on a bbs as {COMMO} as the name. > > > > > > it's shareware, so just hit the space bar to get past the nag > > screen. > > > it's got a very easy programming "macro" language. There is no > > > windows version, but this should do the trick. If you have to > > have a > > > windows version, maybe you could pick up a windows terminal > > program > > > that lets you access the comm ports directly. > > > > > > It's default set at comm1 but you can change the default by > > hitting > > > ALT-G from within the program. Take a look at the doc file, > > check it > > > out, play with it, and if you have any questions, ask away. I > > don't > > > know much about the hardware setup, just a little on the software > > > side, so as long as your hardware is already setup and straight, > > I > > > think you can do what you want, with this program. > > > > > > btw I saw a pic of your bike on yahoo, when i went looking for > > your > > > email address. tight. btw that's not the same yellow cbr I see > > at > > > the marlboro house apt/condo's on branch avenue is it? > > > If it is, you probably saw my black/grey/red ninja out there > > once. > > > > > > - Daniel > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:27:44 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10800 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809152725.26063.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 08:27:25 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > How much you wanna bet it's loud-pipes that got > bikes banned.... and it's a > likely attraction for those HD's from the metro area > who want to take a > 'long' all day trip... (you know, yuppies from > Patomic). > > Brian Speaking of which....an attorney I work with was shocked when I told him we do 400+ mile days out into the mountains. He claims he is unable to ride his Harley for more than 100 miles. Probably gives him hemorhoids. But, one question Brian: do you think yuppies install loud aftermarket pipes on their Harleys, or are you referring to the noise of a stock Harley? I was under the impression that they rode them off the showroom floor and didn't screw with them much...other than, of course, throwing some tassles on the levers. -- tg _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:29:43 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10842 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809152740.12358.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.129] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 08:27:40 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HOV lanes: Was Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok so are motorcycles allowed to use HOV lanes in md/dc/va with just the rider? Does maryland even have HOV lanes anywhere? === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:49:00 1999 Return-Path: bee@XXXXXX Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (newmtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.180]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11196 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01892; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:11:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bee@XXXXXX) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV lanes In-Reply-To: <19990809152740.12358.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Re: Maryland - Well there is one along the "Technology Corridor" of I-270 from the beltway as far as Clarksburg(?), and I believe Rt. 50 has an HOV lane between the beltway and Annapolis? And at least on 270 the signs explicitly allow motorcycles. Brian. On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, ITM wrote: > Ok so are motorcycles allowed to use HOV lanes in md/dc/va with > just the rider? Does maryland even have HOV lanes anywhere? > > > === > Daniel Aka ITM > 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:49:09 1999 Return-Path: bee@XXXXXX Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (newmtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.180]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11198 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01892; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:11:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bee@XXXXXX) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV lanes In-Reply-To: <19990809152740.12358.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Re: Maryland - Well there is one along the "Technology Corridor" of I-270 from the beltway as far as Clarksburg(?), and I believe Rt. 50 has an HOV lane between the beltway and Annapolis? And at least on 270 the signs explicitly allow motorcycles. Brian. On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, ITM wrote: > Ok so are motorcycles allowed to use HOV lanes in md/dc/va with > just the rider? Does maryland even have HOV lanes anywhere? > > > === > Daniel Aka ITM > 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:52:23 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11294 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA24297 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990809115313.007a7e90@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:53:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: HOV lanes: Was Re: Sugarloaf Mountain In-Reply-To: <19990809152740.12358.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" speaking for Maryland here. Yes, bikes are allowed with only one passenger in the HOV lanes, I commute in and out 270 daily in the HOV lanes. The point of HOV is to save fuel and the environment. I get about 45-50 mpg on my VFR 750, I would say that really beats the 25-30 I get in my small (read non-SUV or gas guzzler) Nissan. I get a lot of shit from cars on 270 as I work my way over the four or five lanes to get there in standstill traffic. They don't want to let me in front of them. I always get the last laugh as I make it to the HOV lanes and rocket out of their way.. I have had people curse me out for getting in front of them, I invited them to come discuss my driving behavior if they could keep up with me. Seeing as I will do 60 in the HOV lane and they are stopped in the regular lanes they have never taken me up on my offer..... At 08:27 AM 8/9/99 -0700, you wrote: >Ok so are motorcycles allowed to use HOV lanes in md/dc/va with >just the rider? Does maryland even have HOV lanes anywhere? > > > > > >=== >Daniel Aka ITM >92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 11:55:01 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11337 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16949; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDG8WS>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87DE@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'horkster@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: CB750 Project Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Dale, You are gonna love the bike!! My Seca XJ750RJ from Yamahopper suffers from the same dilema, age, but I still get a great ride that I would otherwise not have except for the family cages. I also subscribe to the XJ list as well as this one to get as much specific model info as I can. Many are from Canada and "Down Under" where the bike seems to have quite a following. One thing in your favor is that the CB was a more popular, hence more made, bike so you likely can find parts bikes. Also, find out what cross-over parts you can use. My Seca can use lots of Maxim parts, but a few Virago as well, go figure. Anyway have fun, I like working on it as much as riding it, truly my learner bike in terms of tinkering. Enjoy, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 12:04:01 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11522 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809160310.12951.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.129] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:03:10 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of mine (young pettite attractive woman) went to get a harley.. they snubbed some guys order and gave it to her, so she didn't have to wait on the waiting list.. she waited like..a week or two.. she also said "see these pipes they gave me?" Her bike is pretty loud and I dont' think she paid for the pipes. I think they threw them in since she's was attractive, oh and they wanted her to go riding with them, which she did.. The bike's pretty loud and she rides it to work sometimes, I know her neighbors don't like it in the morning hehe. I don't know if they guy ordered his harley with those pipes or the dealership guy wanted to hook up with her soooo... --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > > How much you wanna bet it's loud-pipes that got > > bikes banned.... and it's a > > likely attraction for those HD's from the metro area > > who want to take a > > 'long' all day trip... (you know, yuppies from > > Patomic). > > > > Brian > > Speaking of which....an attorney I work with was > shocked when I told him we do 400+ mile days out into > the mountains. He claims he is unable to ride his > Harley for more than 100 miles. Probably gives him > hemorhoids. > > But, one question Brian: do you think yuppies install > loud aftermarket pipes on their Harleys, or are you > referring to the noise of a stock Harley? I was under > the impression that they rode them off the showroom > floor and didn't screw with them much...other than, of > course, throwing some tassles on the levers. > > > -- > tg > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 12:08:17 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11601 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA10470 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:08:11 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:08:11 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:08:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >But, one question Brian: do you think yuppies install >loud aftermarket pipes on their Harleys, or are you >referring to the noise of a stock Harley? As they leave the factory, Harleys meet the same EPA noise requirements as any other bike. If anything, their exhaust is even quieter, as they have to compensate for the mechanical noises that their engines generate (noise is noise, and every dB counts). Loud Harleys (or any bike) are the result of a conscious decision on the part of the rider. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 12:12:32 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11692 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:12:30 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA15060; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:13:05 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029494; Mon, 9 Aug 99 11:57:04 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG7004ENGF8QC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C8.00578094 ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:55:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:48:13 -0400 Subject: Re: HOV lanes: Was Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C8.00577755.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yes, and yes. Maryland has HOV at least on 270 and part of the beltay inner loop just before 270. Motorcycles are allowed on all HOV lanes in the D.C. area. One person on the bike is fine. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: ITM Ok so are motorcycles allowed to use HOV lanes in md/dc/va with just the rider? Does maryland even have HOV lanes anywhere? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 12:14:04 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11695 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809161210.23702.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.129] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:12:10 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV lanes: Was Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: Lisa Goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You should also tell them to buy a bike so they can ride in the HOV lane and stop being grumpy :) --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > speaking for Maryland here. > > Yes, bikes are allowed with only one passenger in the HOV lanes, > I > commute in and out 270 daily in the HOV lanes. The point of HOV is > to save > fuel and the environment. I get about 45-50 mpg on my VFR 750, I > would > say that really beats the 25-30 I get in my small (read non-SUV or > gas > guzzler) Nissan. > > I get a lot of shit from cars on 270 as I work my way over the four > or five > lanes to get there in standstill traffic. They don't want to let > me in > front of them. I always get the last laugh as I make it to the HOV > lanes > and rocket out of their way.. I have had people curse me out for > getting > in front of them, I invited them to come discuss my driving > behavior if > they could keep up with me. Seeing as I will do 60 in the HOV lane > and > they are stopped in the regular lanes they have never taken me up > on my > offer..... > > > > > > At 08:27 AM 8/9/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Ok so are motorcycles allowed to use HOV lanes in md/dc/va with > >just the rider? Does maryland even have HOV lanes anywhere? > > > > > > > > > > > >=== > >Daniel Aka ITM > >92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 > >_____________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > Lisa Goddard > Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 12:41:55 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12134 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8te (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA28173; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011c01bee287$154e7c00$6201a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: F4? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:49:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0119_01BEE265.8E247200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01BEE265.8E247200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I'm sure many of you remember, since my "accident" a week-and-a-half = ago, I've been without a bike. I *really* want to get an F4, and the = pickings in my area (Washington DC) seem to be pretty slim right now. = So, do any of you listers have an F4 that you want to get rid of :-) = Also, if you have any buddies that are looking to get rid of their F4s, = I'd be willing to travel quite some distance to pick it up and ride it = home. I would also be willing to go with a 97 or 98 F3 (preferably in = the Smokin' Joes' Racing team paint scheme) if that's my only option. I = currently have 5600 (the "market value" of my 96 600F3), and will be = receiving additional money for "pain and suffering"... Right this = second, I'm not sure how much money that will amount to, but it could be = a couple grand. So, any help would be appreciated, and you can respond = privately to ksenser@XXXXXX or to the list. Thanks in advance. Kirt No Damn CBR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01BEE265.8E247200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I'm sure many of you remember, since = my=20 "accident" a week-and-a-half ago, I've been without a bike.  I = *really* want to get an F4, and the pickings in my area (Washington DC) = seem to=20 be pretty slim right now.  So, do any of you listers have an F4 = that you=20 want to get rid of :-)  Also, if you have any buddies that are = looking to=20 get rid of their F4s, I'd be willing to travel quite some distance to = pick it up=20 and ride it home.  I would also be willing to go with a 97 or 98 F3 = (preferably in the Smokin' Joes' Racing team paint scheme) if that's my = only=20 option.  I currently have 5600 (the "market value" of my 96 600F3), = and=20 will be receiving additional money for "pain and suffering"...  = Right this=20 second, I'm not sure how much money that will amount to, but it could be = a=20 couple grand.  So, any help would be appreciated, and you can = respond=20 privately to ksenser@XXXXXX = or to the=20 list.  Thanks in advance.
 
Kirt
No Damn CBR
Annandale, Va
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0119_01BEE265.8E247200-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 13:01:09 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12532 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:53:29 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C1F5@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'McKeithen@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Highway 11/trip Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:53:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Well if your going to take US 11 I guess it will only take you a week or so. ;-) Seriously I hope you are in no rush? Brain McCoy and I drove to New Orleans for Mardi Gras this year and took Interstates the entire length. Even driving straight through (paralleling US 11 on the Interstates) it took us around 18 hours and we were not obeying the speed limits by any means. And we only stopped for gas and for one nice meal. If you are taking US 11 or other secondary roads to get there I would guess it will take you at least 2 days, probably more like three. Of course your trip will be a little closer since I going between Annandale and New Orleans but not much shorter. good luck Glenn >Next week I will be taking a trip from Martinsburg, WV to Hattiesburg, MS. I >thought I might take RT 11. If anyone has any suggestions, tips, cautions >please let me know. >Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 13:19:54 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12960 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FG700KGFK2JC7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:18:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA00137; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:14:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990809171310.YFL32216@toddnt>; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:13:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:11:17 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: HOV lanes: Was Re: Sugarloaf Mountain In-reply-to: <19990809161210.23702.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lisa Goddard Message-id: <000d01bee28a$315634d0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Don't you know that in the DC area it is an unspoken rule that: When you... ... get cut off, the driver is instantly an asshole ... cut someone off, they desrved it for being too slow This whole area is driven by a bunch of assholes. It's all a matter of perspective :) But seriously, courtesy is hard to come by around here. People (in general) are way to stressed out to consider allowing someone to get in front of them, even though it means nothing in the long haul to the office/home. Same thing goes for speeding (of which I am constantly guilty). Doesn't really buy you any time unless you travel large distances, and can consistently speed. I travel from Pentagon City to Springfield at around 75mph and ALWAYS get stopped at the light on the FFax Cty Parkway. All those cars I just passed queue up behind me waiting for the light....sigh... Todd (asshole driver) > -----Original Message----- > From: ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > You should also tell them to buy a bike so they can ride in the > HOV lane and stop being grumpy :) > > --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > speaking for Maryland here. > > > > and rocket out of their way.. I have had people curse me out for > > getting > > in front of them, I invited them to come discuss my driving > > behavior if > > they could keep up with me. Seeing as I will do 60 in the HOV lane > > and > > they are stopped in the regular lanes they have never taken me up > > on my > > offer..... > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 13:24:49 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13059 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EHLK6M9A; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:24:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:11:47 -0400 Subject: Re: MC communications.. Message-ID: <19990809.132238.-901185.0.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Louis E Tweed Maxon makes handheld cb units that have optional headsets. The headsets have VOX operation or PTT operation. cost is about $49 for the HCB10A unit and about $30 for the headsets. I have these but haven't had the time to try them out yet. Louis ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 13:41:36 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13307 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8te (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11480; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201bee28f$683706f0$6201a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Greg Sachs" , , References: Subject: Re: F4? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:48:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Could you please provide me with links to the information you just sent me? I'd really like to try and get the value of my bike up a little ways, as it was in MINT condition, and had only about 4K miles on it when I bought it. 2 months later it had 9K, and was still in perfect condition (covered/stored indoors, washed/waxed, etc). If any other listers have any kind of documentation pertaining to these prices, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance Kirt PS - I work for Erol's Internet, providing tech support, and the computers here at work have their settings LOCKED. Sorry about sending messages in HTML format, if you are one of the people it bothers... ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Sachs To: Kirt Senser Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 1:10 PM Subject: RE: F4? > You can probably get the price up some-explain that the slr was a limited > edition of 500 and so on. One in trenton with 5k going for 6500, another > at a dealer in OH for 6k, Market seems to be 55-65, so you probably don't > want to be at teh bottom end of that range. That was searching > nationwide on traderonline for 1996 cbr600. MCnews shows the value as > 6200, KBB has 6200(fora plain 600, not for sjr). > Greg > --- On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:49:01 -0400 Kirt Senser > wrote: > > >As I'm sure many of you remember, since my "accident" a week-and-a-half > ago, I've been without a bike. I *really* want to get an F4, and the > pickings in my area (Washington DC) seem to be pretty slim right now. > So, do any of you listers have an F4 that you want to get rid of :-) > Also, if you have any buddies that are looking to get rid of their F4s, > I'd be willing to travel quite some distance to pick it up and ride it > home. I would also be willing to go with a 97 or 98 F3 (preferably in > the Smokin' Joes' Racing team paint scheme) if that's my only option. I > currently have 5600 (the "market value" of my 96 600F3), and will be > receiving additional money for "pain and suffering"... Right this > second, I'm not sure how much money that will amount to, but it could be > a couple grand. So, any help would be appreciated, and you can respond > privately to ksenser@XXXXXX or to the list. Thanks in advance. > > > >Kirt > >No Damn CBR > >Annandale, Va > > > > > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 8/9/99 HSTA/AMA 1:10:04 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 14:00:24 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13742 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA15074 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990809140118.0079cea0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:01:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Membership Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is a forwarded copy of an e-mail I sent to AMA today in case you would like to see how well they are using your dues! Dear Ms. Kimberly Barlag, >I would like to take the time for thanking you for selling your female membership list(s) to Women on Wheels. I recently recieved a mailer from Women on Wheels complete with AMA stationary telling me to join Women on Wheels. > >I ALREADY BELONG! > > > >Please quit wasting my membership dues on wasted paper and postage and go fight helmet laws! > >Remind me not to indicate my sex the next time I join a club! > >Sincerely, >Lisa Goddard >Honda VFR 750F Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 14:46:03 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14642 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FG70019SNW8Y3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:40:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA29220 for ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 18:36:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990809184056.CJCI32216@toddnt> for ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 18:40:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:39:03 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: AMA/Dunlop FYI To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <001b01bee296$7408fb30$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal FYI....(mostly for you cruisers) Dunlop Tire Company is winding down a four-month promotion in conjunction with the American Motorcyclist Association. For every pair of CruiseMax tires purchased until August 31, 1999, Dunlop will pay the purchasers AMA membership for a year. If you're already a member, Dunlop will pay for a 1-year extension. FMI, Dunlop @ 1-800-548-4714 or www.ama-cycle.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 14:48:00 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1104.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.124]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14655 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809184732.11501.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:47:32 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Membership To: Lisa Goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, the real culprit here is probably Women on Wheels, so perhaps you should be yelling at them. They didn't bother to do a merge/purge on the AMA list, or provide their list to AMA for that purpose. Also, remember that letting people use their membership list is probably something that AMA charges for, so they're not spending your dues to do it, they're bringing in revenue doing it. John, who has done this stuff for a living --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > This is a forwarded copy of an e-mail I sent to AMA > today in case you would > like to see how well they are using your dues! > > Dear Ms. Kimberly Barlag, > > > >I would like to take the time for thanking you for > selling your female > membership list(s) to Women on Wheels. I recently > recieved a mailer from > Women on Wheels complete with AMA stationary telling > me to join Women on > Wheels. > > > >I ALREADY BELONG! > > > > > > > >Please quit wasting my membership dues on wasted > paper and postage and go > fight helmet laws! > > > >Remind me not to indicate my sex the next time I > join a club! > > > >Sincerely, > >Lisa Goddard > >Honda VFR 750F > Lisa Goddard > Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 14:50:49 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14749 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id fCRPa16296 (4413); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73ef6a4c.24e07b8c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:44:28 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Highway 11/trip To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I Would do almost anything to avoid the slab. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 15:01:10 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14923 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA09859 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:00:58 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:00:58 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Highway 11/trip Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:00:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I Would do almost anything to avoid the slab. >Bob The slab has its purpose - it keeps the majority of traffic off the secondary roads so we can have an enjoyable riding experience ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 15:34:57 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15466 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809193759.18237.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.22.76] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:37:59 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: Bill Huson , "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's all on private property. They can retrict what the hell ever they want. The restriction has been in place for at least 25 years, and was originally put there because of the "loud pipes save lives" crowd. Spence... --- Bill Huson wrote: > If that road recieved one dime from the feds for > construction or maintinence, > thenthere can be no restriction against > motorcycles. It's da law - recently > passed. > > Bill > > > > Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > While taking a friend for a ride on Saturday, I > ended up being near Sugarloaf > > Mountain. I remember from a DC-Cycles group ride > a year or two ago, that there > > was a sign saying motorcycles were not allowed, > but figured I'd give it a try > > anyway. I stopped by the entrance waiting for a > family and their dogs to walk > > by, when a woman came up to me. She said that > normally motorcycles are not > > allowed to go up the mountain, but because they > were not having a wedding at > > the lodge, I could go up if I wanted. So it seems > that the reason (or one of > > the reasons anyway) that motorcycles aren't > allowed was they were disturbing > > weddings? (Loud pipes? Crashes? Revving > engines?) > > > > I should have asked for more information, but > didn't think of it at the time. > > > > Louis > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 15:40:25 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15548 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809193949.19743.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.22.76] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:39:49 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: HOV lanes: Was Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes and yes. New to the area? --- ITM wrote: > Ok so are motorcycles allowed to use HOV lanes in > md/dc/va with > just the rider? Does maryland even have HOV lanes > anywhere? > > > > > > === > Daniel Aka ITM > 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 16:32:09 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16507 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-39.patriot.net [206.29.51.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23622; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:32:01 -0400 Message-ID: <37AF39CD.1F8A30FD@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:27:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <852567C8.004A8B46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excuusssee me? I forgot the exact title - ICETEA -or something like that - a federal act which opens all roads for cycles. Chicago attempted to close the Loop to bikes and got hammered by the feds. Bill christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Even if it weren't on private property, it's in Maryland (if it's the same > Sugarloaf I'm familiar with). The recent de-restriction was for Virginia > state-supported roads, not federal roads or Maryland roads. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > It's private property/private road, although usually open to the public. > They > may have received federal money, but there was no indication of that in the > information I read about the place. Belongs to a mining company or > something > like that. > > Louis > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > If that road recieved one dime from the feds for construction or > maintinence, > > thenthere can be no restriction against motorcycles. It's da law - > recently > > passed. > > > > Bill > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 16:40:53 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16615 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-39.patriot.net [206.29.51.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24499; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:40:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37AF3BD6.B97628A4@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:36:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loud pipes? You mean like Kerkers and such? Actually, I prefer a rumble to a loud shrieky scream (UJM wound out) Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > in the 15+ times I've stopped by the Mtn.. only once have I been turned > away.. and the guy at the gate told me "Man, if my boss weren't standing > right there" pointing behind me "I'd let you up".. I turned to look and > didn't see anyone who might be the owner/boss.. and didn't really push the > issue - figguring that I'd rather swim in welcome waters than stir up > trouble. As far as I'm aware, the Mtn. is private property.. if the road > isn't necessary to reach a public destination, then I don't see how anyone > can mandate it a public-use road..... > > How much you wanna bet it's loud-pipes that got bikes banned.... and it's a > likely attraction for those HD's from the metro area who want to take a > 'long' all day trip... (you know, yuppies from Patomic). > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 17:03:17 1999 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17002 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id RAA18012 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id RAA18008 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id RAA05242 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ncaimail1.bcbsnca.com (ncaimail1.bcbsnca.com [192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id RAA05238 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908092111.RAA05238@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:04:00 -0400 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: Seeking a lift for me and a bike... To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Hey all, Is there anyone out there who would be generous enough to give me and my bike a lift to Summit Point on Friday afternoon, September 17th, and then give us a ride back late Sunday (the 19th) afternoon? I'm taking the MARRC school, and am too poor to buy a trailer right away. :-( I'm willing to pay for gas, munchies, and your entrance fee to the track... I'm located in Upper Marlboro, MD (between Bowie/Waldorf). Please respond to F4Rider@XXXXXX. Thanks! Brad From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 17:03:35 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17005 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809210248.22961.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.129] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:02:48 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV lanes: Was Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: s s , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii New to riding motorcycles, new to HOV lanes, and I live right over the dc line in maryland off the b/w pkwy, no HOV lanes on the beltway on these parts. And I don't travel up 270 too often to recall. I was thinking their might be. --- s s wrote: > Yes and yes. New to the area? > > --- ITM wrote: > > Ok so are motorcycles allowed to use HOV lanes in > > md/dc/va with > > just the rider? Does maryland even have HOV lanes > > anywhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > === > > Daniel Aka ITM > > 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 17:03:55 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17008 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-39.patriot.net [206.29.51.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA26728; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:03:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37AF413F.D64A0337@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:59:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <19990809152725.26063.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 100 miles? Hmmm... Two back-to-back 600 mile days is my top on the Hawg. And that was on the POS poser seat the original owner had on it. It's now in the dead parts pile. A stock Harley is under 80 db, as required. And the aftermarket (H-D part) pipes I got for mine to replace the poser window breakers the OO had installed were rated 80 db. That was before some of the packing kinda *fell* out. No tassells on mine. Looks like those suckers would whip the poopy out of your arms at 80+ mph. Once upon a time (last year) I pulled into a bistro in Chattanooga TN to meet my darling daughter. It was poser night at the pub. Harleys lined up, all gleaming and spotless. I arrive after riding in from Baton Rouge LA, thru a few quick showers, and after killing bugs in seven states on my deep south tour. The posers jaws dropped - they backed away from my scruffy machine. One guy actually moved his softtail away from mine. ANother guy said he'd never seen a Harley that dirty. I sez, they get that way if you RIDE THEM! He didn't laugh. *snicker* Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > > How much you wanna bet it's loud-pipes that got > > bikes banned.... and it's a > > likely attraction for those HD's from the metro area > > who want to take a > > 'long' all day trip... (you know, yuppies from > > Patomic). > > > > Brian > > Speaking of which....an attorney I work with was > shocked when I told him we do 400+ mile days out into > the mountains. He claims he is unable to ride his > Harley for more than 100 miles. Probably gives him > hemorhoids. > > But, one question Brian: do you think yuppies install > loud aftermarket pipes on their Harleys, or are you > referring to the noise of a stock Harley? I was under > the impression that they rode them off the showroom > floor and didn't screw with them much...other than, of > course, throwing some tassles on the levers. > > -- > tg > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 17:12:10 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17209 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-39.patriot.net [206.29.51.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27494; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37AF4320.D11F5875@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:07:44 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'McKeithen@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Highway 11/trip References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C1F5@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Might also try sliding over to Nashville and taking the Natchez Trace south into MS. No trucks allowed - nice peaceful road - parkway style. No super-twisties, but otherwise very nice. Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Well if your going to take US 11 I guess it will only take you a week or so. > ;-) Seriously I hope you are in no rush? Brain McCoy and I drove to New > Orleans for Mardi Gras this year and took Interstates the entire length. > Even driving straight through (paralleling US 11 on the Interstates) it took > us around 18 hours and we were not obeying the speed limits by any means. > And we only stopped for gas and for one nice meal. If you are taking US 11 > or other secondary roads to get there I would guess it will take you at > least 2 days, probably more like three. Of course your trip will be a > little closer since I going between Annandale and New Orleans but not much > shorter. > > good luck > > Glenn > > >Next week I will be taking a trip from Martinsburg, WV to Hattiesburg, MS. > I > >thought I might take RT 11. If anyone has any suggestions, tips, cautions > >please let me know. > >Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 17:13:47 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17219 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990809211259.25223.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.129] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:12:59 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: F4? To: Kirt Senser , Greg Sachs , cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here are some links you might want to check out, for both finding a bike and getting an idea of the price range. (in no particular order) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/classifieds/rvs/front.htm http://www.mshopper.eurografix.com/ http://vger.rutgers.edu/~ravi/bike/forsale/forsale.html http://cyclebytel.com/ http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/search/index.shtml http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/display.exe?lite+class --- Kirt Senser wrote: > Could you please provide me with links to the information you just > sent me? > I'd really like to try and get the value of my bike up a little > ways, as it > was in MINT condition, and had only about 4K miles on it when I > bought it. > 2 months later it had 9K, and was still in perfect condition > (covered/stored > indoors, washed/waxed, etc). If any other listers have any kind of > documentation pertaining to these prices, I would greatly > appreciate it. > Thanks in advance > > Kirt > > PS - I work for Erol's Internet, providing tech support, and the > computers > here at work have their settings LOCKED. Sorry about sending > messages in > HTML format, if you are one of the people it bothers... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Sachs > To: Kirt Senser > Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 1:10 PM > Subject: RE: F4? > > > > You can probably get the price up some-explain that the slr was a > limited > > edition of 500 and so on. One in trenton with 5k going for 6500, > another > > at a dealer in OH for 6k, Market seems to be 55-65, so you > probably don't > > want to be at teh bottom end of that range. That was searching > > nationwide on traderonline for 1996 cbr600. MCnews shows the > value as > > 6200, KBB has 6200(fora plain 600, not for sjr). > > Greg > > --- On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:49:01 -0400 Kirt Senser > > > wrote: > > > > >As I'm sure many of you remember, since my "accident" a > week-and-a-half > > ago, I've been without a bike. I *really* want to get an F4, and > the > > pickings in my area (Washington DC) seem to be pretty slim right > now. > > So, do any of you listers have an F4 that you want to get rid of > :-) > > Also, if you have any buddies that are looking to get rid of > their F4s, > > I'd be willing to travel quite some distance to pick it up and > ride it > > home. I would also be willing to go with a 97 or 98 F3 > (preferably in > > the Smokin' Joes' Racing team paint scheme) if that's my only > option. I > > currently have 5600 (the "market value" of my 96 600F3), and will > be > > receiving additional money for "pain and suffering"... Right > this > > second, I'm not sure how much money that will amount to, but it > could be > > a couple grand. So, any help would be appreciated, and you can > respond > > privately to ksenser@XXXXXX or to the list. Thanks in > advance. > > > > > >Kirt > > >No Damn CBR > > >Annandale, Va > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > > 8/9/99 HSTA/AMA 1:10:04 PM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 18:00:08 1999 Return-Path: cambion@XXXXXX Received: from mux.net (mux.net [207.96.40.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18054 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cambion@localhost) by mux.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA54087 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:01:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cambion@XXXXXX) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:01:18 -0400 (EDT) From: cambion To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Short Novice looking for first bike... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, I am new to the list, and to riding. I am looking for a bike, primarily for my girlfriend (I'll have an easier time finding one for me). She is quite small, and is really looking for a used 250cc bike that doesn't weigh very much and is as short as can be. It's main use would be for her short commute to work (about 2-3 miles a day at most, no highway). If anyone has any leads or suggestions I would /greatly/ appreciate it! Thanks, Mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 18:00:29 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18061 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm10a-162.his.com [216.200.82.162]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22898 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990809175528.0090d100@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:55:28 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain In-Reply-To: <19990809115013.11220.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:50 AM 8/9/99 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >the reasons anyway) that motorcycles aren't allowed was they were disturbing >weddings? (Loud pipes? Crashes? Revving engines?) I go up there all the time, have never been turned back, but am prepared to go away if asked like the sign sez. I make it a point to only use the engine on the way up, never go about 3k rpm, and keep the speed under 20 on the way up. Of course one the way down I go faster, but the engine is off and for all the envior-nazi's know I'm on a bicycle. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 18:48:17 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18788 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-39.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.39]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12752 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: <015701bee2b9$137340a0$7da4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Credible supplier complaints Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:46:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0154_01BEE297.8BC16900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01BEE297.8BC16900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Over on the Vulcan list there have been a number of dissing messages = regarding Kriss Industries (the headlight modulator, brakelight flasher = people). Faulty products and onerous return policies are the topics. =20 Just a heads up. =20 Bill S. / DC / 513 99 VN750 --> Been flashing for a long time Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01BEE297.8BC16900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Over on the Vulcan list there have been = a number of=20 dissing messages regarding Kriss Industries (the headlight modulator, = brakelight=20 flasher people).  Faulty products and onerous return policies are = the=20 topics. 
 
Just a heads up. 
 
Bill S. / DC / 513
99 VN750 --> = Been flashing=20 for a long time
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0154_01BEE297.8BC16900-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 19:05:22 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19150 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:05:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id hCHGa20496 (8023); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52c6fdc6.24e0b871@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:04:17 EDT Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 8/9/99 7:25:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Aye.. that I have seen. >> Yes, you know the old girl. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 19:13:49 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19233 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id TAA10898; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id TAA10023; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:13:08 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B561F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" , "'ghowell@XXXXXX'" Subject: What is an Enfield Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:12:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Right. I have some business cards that have that address. Don't know what that's all about, but it has Marty's name on it with the Minnesota address. *shrug* Rich From: "George Howell" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'dcc'" Subject: RE: What is an Enfield Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:09:48 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I was just wondering, because I checked the Enfield page, and this is listed as the contact for becoming a dealer: Classic Motorworks P.O. Box 917 Faribault, MN 55021 ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 19:16:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19312 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08042 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27981 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-53-131.s131.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.131]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id TAA16214 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <038b01bee2d6$4c4f59a0$7835accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: HUMOR: Top Ten Signs You might be a squid........ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:16:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 c/o Ray Lucas, formerly of MD, now lost somewhere in Miami You might be a squid........ > > > > 1. If you ever bought a brand new CBR600F3 and traded it in four months later for a CBR600F4. > > > > 2. If the first bike you ever rode, then purchased, was a YZF100R1. > > > > 3. If your Shoei X9 spends more time on your passenger saddle than it does on your head. > > > > 4. If your front tire looks brand new and your back tire is bald. > > > > 5. If you've purchased more than three bikes, yet never bought a set of motorcycle tires. > > > > 6. If you've ever purchased a motorcycle strictly because of an article you read in Cycle World. > > > > 7. If the longest ride you've ever taken in one day was shorter than 20 miles. > > > > 8. If you went to the trouble of getting a fake ID, but don't have the time to get a motorcycle license. > > > > 9. If everything in your wardrobe has "No Fear" written on it. > > > > 10. If you're hanging out with a bunch of sport bike riders, and when one of them mentions "the King", you say, "I didn't know Elvis raced sport bikes!" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 20:29:49 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20616 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:29:47 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2SAAa20497 (4571) for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:29:01 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: MISC: Summit Point Undergoes Facelift To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_fea27c31.24e0cc4d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 --part1_fea27c31.24e0cc4d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_fea27c31.24e0cc4d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za05.mx.aol.com (v60.18) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:11:33 -0400 Received: from racer.net ([209.160.44.240]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (v60.18) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:11:19 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by racer.net (8.9.1b+Sun/CHUNK1.2) id RAA20861 for wheeltowheel-outad; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Errors-To: wheeltowheel-request@XXXXXX Sender: Precedence: bulk X-Info: Submissions to wheeltowheel@XXXXXX X-Info: Change requests to wheeltowheel-request@XXXXXX X-Info: Authors retain implicit copyright to their material. Obtain X-Info: permission from the authors before redistributing messages. Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by racer.net (8.9.1b+Sun/CHUNK1.2) with ESMTP id RAA20745 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fpfzqlga - 208.253.11.179 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:11:05 -0700 Message-ID: <013a01bee2c4$a0faa200$b30bfdd0@fpfzqlga> From: "Robert Lindenmuth" To: "wheeltowheel" Subject: Fw: MISC: Summit Point Undergoes Facelift Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:09:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Found this on rec.autos.sport.info and thought some people might be interested. The only thing missing is a new shower facility. > >Summit Point Raceway >Undergoes Dramatic Facelift > >SUMMIT POINT, W.V. (Aug. 4, 1999) -- Summit Point Raceway -- a two-mile >road racing course 70 miles west of Washington, D.C. -- is undergoing its >largest improvement program since the circuit was built in 1969. The >track's plan includes installing gravel traps and energy-absorbing >barriers around the 10-turn circuit, similar to those used in the Formula >One and Championship Auto Racing Teams (CART) racing series. >Additionally, the track is being entirely repaved for the first time since >the original pavement was applied more than 30 years ago. > >The track hosts 35 events each year including Sports Car Club of America >(SCCA), Sportscar Vintage Racing Association (SVRA), Intercontinental >Events and motorcycle races. According to Bill Scott, who has owned Summit >Point Raceway since 1980, the facelift will improve competition as well as >add an additional margin of safety for competitors. > >Gravel traps, like those used in Formula One, CART and other professional >road racing series, are being installed in corners where speeds are the >greatest. More than 2,000 tons of pea gravel will be used to a depth of >10 inches. > >The energy-absorbing barriers are being installed at the end of high-speed >runoff areas. As in Formula One, thousands of discarded car tires will be >bolted together in four-foot vertical stacks. The barriers, which will >run approximately 290 yards, will be layered from one to three tires deep, >depending on location. > >Scott believes racers will be most pleased with the track repaving, >however. > >"We test-paved a portion of the track several years ago using both a >non-polishing aggregate and a polymer from Elf Aquitaine (a French >petroleum company)," said Scott, who holds a Ph.D. in geology from Yale >University. "The surface turned out to be very smooth, not slippery and >non-raveling." > >Jefferson Asphalt, Inc., has been contracted to apply approximately 3,200 >tons of asphalt. > >Brian Redman, a retired U.S. Formula 5000 and International Motor Sports >Association (IMSA) champion driver and president of the Road Racing >Drivers Club promotes the Jefferson 500 vintage sports car race at Summit >Point. Redman believes the vintage racers will enjoy the improvements. > >"These improvements will be most welcome," Redman said. "The smooth track >surface is particularly beneficial to the prototype vintage cars, and the >attention to safety features is always a major concern to drivers, and >they are being proactively addressed." > >All construction and paving are due to be completed in September. The >next scheduled event at the track begins Sept. 18 with a motorcycle race. >It will be followed by the SCCA Marrs event Sept. 25-26. > --part1_fea27c31.24e0cc4d_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 20:43:51 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA20883 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990810004334.28393.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:43:34 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Tires for Chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for posting to everyone... Chris Weaver... I have a set of Avon's with LOTS of street miles left in them and they are very nice handling tires...I'd like to see $100 for the set since they are nearly new, but you can look at them and pay what you think is fair. After this weekend, I will have a set of 207Gp's for sale too... won't know until Saturday evening though on how much tread will be left :) they are excellent at the moment, but nelson's is hard on tires... also, if you need an emergency tire to last a few days, I have another set of 207s that are pretty shot, but will get you around... those are free to good home.... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 21:40:19 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21942 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:26:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199908092126.AA36896986@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Bill Huson" CC: Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:59:43 -0400 I arrive after riding in from Baton Rouge LA, thru a few quick showers, and after killing bugs in seven states on my deep south tour. The posers jaws dropped - they backed away from my scruffy machine. One guy actually moved his softtail away from mine. ANother guy said he'd never seen a Harley that dirty. I sez, they get that way if you RIDE THEM! He didn't laugh. *snicker* -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill, You are my kinda rider. The best way to customize a bike is to add generous amounts of dirt, bugs, and notches on the odometer. :) So what kinda Harley do you have? I'd love to get a Dyna Convertible like Gil's someday. Dale (but I just looked at the checkbook, it ain't gonna be any time soon...) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 22:25:36 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22752 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-39.patriot.net [206.29.51.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA21195; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37AF8CA9.BA78B4F3@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:21:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <199908092126.AA36896986@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bagger - `93 FLHS . A former garage queen as the guy had it for 5 years and racked up an *amazing* 4200 miles. The Dyna is a cool bike. Right now I'm looking to add a birt bike to the stable, like a Norton. The H-D doesn't keep my toolbox busy :-) Bill Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Bill Huson > Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:59:43 -0400 > > I arrive after riding in from Baton Rouge > LA, thru a few quick showers, and after killing bugs in seven states on > my deep south tour. The posers jaws dropped - they backed away from my > scruffy machine. One guy actually moved his softtail away from mine. > ANother guy said he'd never seen a Harley that dirty. I sez, they get > that way if you RIDE THEM! He didn't laugh. *snicker* > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bill, > > You are my kinda rider. The best way to customize a bike is > to add generous amounts of dirt, bugs, and notches on the odometer. > > :) So what kinda Harley do you have? I'd love to get a Dyna > Convertible like Gil's someday. > > Dale (but I just looked at the checkbook, it ain't gonna be any > time soon...) > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 22:47:22 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23187 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-252-217.s471.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.252.217]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19709; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:46:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809224033.00b78f00@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:46:41 -0400 To: Bill Huson From: Mike T Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain Cc: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <37AF8CA9.BA78B4F3@patriot.net> References: <199908092126.AA36896986@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:21 PM 8/9/1999 , Bill Huson wrote: >Bagger - `93 FLHS . A former garage queen as the guy had it for 5 years and >racked up an *amazing* 4200 miles. > >The Dyna is a cool bike. Right now I'm looking to add a birt bike to the >stable, like a Norton. The H-D doesn't keep my toolbox busy :-) Heh...I bought my bike in May and in 3 full months have put over 3k on it. I won't break any sore-ass records (Todd?) but it amazes me how many people buy bikes and don't ride them. Speaking of sore asses and you iron butt folks, what is the longest Iron Butt ride to date? From where to where? In September for that rafting trip, I plan on making a 4 hour slab route into an 8 hour twisty route through WVA. I'll be looking for good roads when the time draws near.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 23:40:32 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23981 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19040 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 03:36:57 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 03:36:57 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA04645; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:35:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:35:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199908100335.XAA04645@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Retro Brit-Bikes On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:09:38 -0400 Chris Norloff wrote: >At 03:10 PM 8/6/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >>They may have overlooked the fact that the Drifter is one butt-ugly bike. >Oh well, that's personal preference for you. I think it's a really nice >looking bike. I like the idea of a retro look with a modern bike >underneath (what a concept!). Sorry,but the first thing I think of when I see the Drifter is "fake". It just looks too much like an Indian wanna-be. BMW and Polaris have proven you can build a classy cruiser w/out trying to imitate something else. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 23:50:35 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA24213 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25214 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 03:47:39 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 03:47:39 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA32203; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:47:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:47:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199908100347.XAA32203@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: >Speaking of which....an attorney I work with was >shocked when I told him we do 400+ mile days out into >the mountains. He claims he is unable to ride his >Harley for more than 100 miles. Probably gives him >hemorhoids. I wish I'd only had 'roids from the two WSDYMFG rides I went on. Don't think there was a single part of my body that didn't hurt. :-P >But, one question Brian: do you think yuppies install >loud aftermarket pipes on their Harleys, or are you >referring to the noise of a stock Harley? I was under >the impression that they rode them off the showroom >floor and didn't screw with them much...other than, of >course, throwing some tassles on the levers. All the yuppy machines I've seen have had loud pipes. Usually the brand that's popular that year(Porkers, Thunderheader). You see(and hear) them cruising through Georgetown all the time. Wot's the point of dropping all that cash on a pose toy if people won't turn to look at you when you go by? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 9 23:58:52 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA24320 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29287 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 03:55:57 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 03:55:57 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA05674; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:54:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:54:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199908100354.XAA05674@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) ITM wrote: >I don't know if they guy ordered his harley with those pipes >or the dealership guy wanted to hook up with her soooo... Quite possible they were going with the bike. Some dealers *make* you purchase extras when you pick up the bike. Others just do a really hard sell for the jet kit/ exhaust combo(you want it to sound like a Harley,right?). Or maybe they were just the typical lamers that chase any chick on a bike. (BTW,is she single? ;-}) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:01:10 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24410 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id AAA22235; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:00:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: cambion cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Novice looking for first bike... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What you are looking for, is the quintessential beginner bike: The Honda Rebel 250. Low to the ground, lightweight, 250cc, and generally sold reasonably cheap with low milage and a couple dings. - Brian Roach On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, cambion wrote: > I am new to the list, and to riding. I am looking for a bike, primarily > for my girlfriend (I'll have an easier time finding one for me). She is > quite small, and is really looking for a used 250cc bike that doesn't > weigh very much and is as short as can be. It's main use would be for her > short commute to work (about 2-3 miles a day at most, no highway). If > anyone has any leads or suggestions I would /greatly/ appreciate it! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:06:37 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24521 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32559 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 04:03:19 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 04:03:19 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA06199; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:02:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:02:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199908100402.AAA06199@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:26:11 -0400 Horkster wrote: >:) So what kinda Harley do you have? I'd love to get a Dyna >Convertible like Gil's someday. >Dale (but I just looked at the checkbook, it ain't gonna be any >time soon...) You're sure you can't swing a loan? The Dyna may be getting put on the sale block soon. I have to go see the orderly room tomorrow about orders,and if I go remote,the Dyna's going bye-bye(to be replaced by an AAFEES-procured Y2K FXDX). The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:08:56 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24531 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.122]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:03:31 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jordan, Michael" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:05:29 -0400 Message-ID: <009201bee2e5$95670f20$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Loud Harleys (or any bike) are the result of a conscious decision on the > part of the rider. You mean "off road" pipes on an Electraglide?? :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:11:23 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24566 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.122]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:05:58 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Lisa Goddard" , Subject: RE: Membership Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: <009301bee2e5$ed133640$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990809140118.0079cea0@kivex.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >Please quit wasting my membership dues on wasted paper and postage and go > fight helmet laws! You indicated that your name was "sold". Therefore, I can only assume the buyer paid for the paper and postage (if it was sent this way, and not electronically). I understand that you might not like your name being sold. But your arguments are a little inconsistent. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:13:07 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24643 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3845 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 04:10:12 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 04:10:12 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA00922; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:09:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:09:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199908100409.AAA00922@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:21:29 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >The H-D doesn't keep my toolbox busy :-) Buy a Buell. You'll never put the tools away. :-P The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:20:12 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24799 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id AAA22276 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:19:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain In-Reply-To: <199908100354.XAA05674@musone.chek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Gil Nissley wrote: > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) ITM wrote: > >I don't know if they guy ordered his harley with those pipes > >or the dealership guy wanted to hook up with her soooo... > > Quite possible they were going with the bike. Some dealers *make* you purchase extras when you pick up the bike. Others just do a really hard sell for the jet kit/ exhaust combo(you want it to sound > like a Harley,right?). I put aftermarket pipes, a jet kit, and a K&N on my '99 Dyna. The thing was wheezing in stock form, and damn it, I just can't ride a bike that posseses more valve train noise than exhaust note. I may just be a poseur. Due to trying to make every WERA race weekend this year, I've only been able to put about 4500 miles on my street bikes. Guess I'm going to have to do a lot of catching up this fall :) - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:23:44 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24809 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9148 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 04:20:49 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 04:20:49 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA01609; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:20:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:20:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199908100420.AAA01609@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Novice looking for first bike... >On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, cambion wrote: > >> I am new to the list, and to riding. I am looking for a bike, primarily >> for my girlfriend (I'll have an easier time finding one for me). She is >> quite small, and is really looking for a used 250cc bike that doesn't >> weigh very much and is as short as can be. It's main use would be for her >> short commute to work (about 2-3 miles a day at most, no highway). If >> anyone has any leads or suggestions I would /greatly/ appreciate it! Try: http://dir.yahoo.com/Recreation/Automotive/Motorcycles/Women/ Somewhere out there is also a short bikers' site. Used to be listed on Yahoo,but can't find it now. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:27:09 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24886 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10778 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 04:24:14 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 04:24:14 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA07287; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:22:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:22:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199908100422.AAA07287@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: George Howell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:05:29 -0400 George Howell wrote: >> Loud Harleys (or any bike) are the result of a conscious decision on the >> part of the rider. >You mean "off road" pipes on an Electraglide?? >:) They do race baggers,ya know. Serious. Harley even built a 'super bagger' Road Glide. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 00:33:59 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24973 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.122]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:28:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil Nissley" Cc: Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:30:31 -0400 Message-ID: <009401bee2e9$14cba3e0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908100422.AAA07287@musone.chek.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > They do race baggers,ya know. > > Serious. Harley even built a 'super bagger' Road Glide. Then perhaps 'race' pipes or something else. It just strikes me that 'off-road' is a bit of a misnomer. Of course, there is plenty of space to put your route sheet on a Tour Glide. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 03:17:03 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA28612 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28047 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 07:14:09 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 07:14:09 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA11350; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:13:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:13:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199908100713.DAA11350@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Brian Roach wrote: >I put aftermarket pipes, a jet kit, and a K&N on my '99 Dyna. The thing >was wheezing in stock form, and damn it, I just can't ride a bike that >posseses more valve train noise than exhaust note. Mine has pepped up quite a bit after installing the EV-27. Gas mileage still sucks cause the former owner installed a Thunderjet. Along with the Pingle,I figure he was planning on doing some serious hop-ups before he changed his mind and traded for a Road King. >I may just be a poseur. Due to trying to make every WERA race weekend this >year, I've only been able to put about 4500 miles on my street bikes. >Guess I'm going to have to do a lot of catching up this fall :) I haven't even put 450 miles on yet this year. Of course,I spent the entire spring playing in the sand. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertable Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 04:31:40 1999 Return-Path: pgerhardt@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f225.hotmail.com [207.82.251.116]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA00380 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46637 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 08:31:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810083106.46636.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.76.246.211 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:31:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.76.246.211] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Vox on Motorcycles Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:31:05 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX "Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:21:13 -0400 Subject: Re: MC communications.. To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Do not even bother trying VOX unless you ride behind a barndoor of a windshield ... the wind noise screws it up (yes, even in a full-face helmet). --chris" I agree even on the Concours it is tricky to set up a vox to work well. For years I have used an Icom Switchbox mounted on the bars and instead of using the included Icom headset I use a Cycle-Com (now out of biz but J&M should be the same) helmet spkr and mic. Usually the whole set-up is only used for FM Stereo but it works for my 2M FM communicators also. Recently I purchased a Kenwood FRS unit which is great for picking up teenagers at the mall. Have not tried the Icom switchbox but it would probably work with the right connectors. The Icom switchbox has a mic preamp and a gain control also. When the mic is set up right it sounds like a normal mobile set up. Paul Gerhardt 86 Concours 96 FZR600 COG 1594 Centreville, MD On the Eastern Shore _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 04:46:58 1999 Received: from ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net (ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA00616 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with internal id BGD17921; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199908100846.BGD17921@ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="BGD17921.934274809/ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net" Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: dc-cyles.org: host not found) Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --BGD17921.934274809/ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net The original message was received at Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: dc-cyles.org: host not found) --BGD17921.934274809/ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net Arrival-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; dc-cyles.org Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:46:49 -0700 (PDT) --BGD17921.934274809/ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15098 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Received: from ip129.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip129.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.129]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01333 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:41 -0700 (PDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) FS: Three New Motorola Talkabout 250 FRS, $65 each Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:26:46 GMT Message-ID: <37af5573.56144066@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46ound this in dc.forsale: On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 20:19:42 GMT, in dc.forsale.misc mbery@XXXXXX wrote: >I bought six of these brand new units online, but I only need three of >them. I am willing to sell the other three at my cost, $65.00 per >unit. They are brand new, unopened, and fully warranteed. The color >is pewter. Here's a link to Motorola's description: > >http://commerce.motorola.com/talkabout/radios.asp > >I live in Arlington, and work in Tyson's. > --BGD17921.934274809/ostrich.prod.itd.earthlink.net-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 05:37:06 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01416 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-119-248.s248.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.119.248]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA18408 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:37:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Vox on Motorcycles Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:37:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bee313$e585fd80$8023accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19990810083106.46636.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal FYI _ Cycle Comm is back at http://www.cyclecomm.com/ Check it out. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Paul Gerhardt said: I agree even on the Concours it is tricky to set up a vox to work well. For years I have used an Icom Switchbox mounted on the bars and instead of using the included Icom headset I use a Cycle-Com (now out of biz but J&M should be the same) helmet spkr and mic. Usually the whole set-up is only used for FM Stereo but it works for my 2M FM communicators also. Recently I purchased a Kenwood FRS unit which is great for picking up teenagers at the mall. Have not tried the Icom switchbox but it would probably work with the right connectors. The Icom switchbox has a mic preamp and a gain control also. When the mic is set up right it sounds like a normal mobile set up. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 07:09:00 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02757 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990810110833.19729.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:08:33 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:08:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain / long Iron Butt rides To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mike T wrote: > Speaking of sore asses and you iron butt folks, what is the longest Iron > Butt ride to date? From where to where? Do you mean a 24 hour ride? A few (2 or 3?) people managed to do 2000 miles in 24 hrs. Mostly out in Nevada or Montana. If you mean total mileages over trips, there are all types of events. Some do a 10/10 (10 days and at least 10,000 miles). Every other year they have the Iron Butt Rally which goes around the USA (held every other year, this year's rally starts in 20 days). Last year Ron Ayres made a record, riding the lower 48 states, plus Alaska in 7 days 1 minute. 8,798 miles. (see http://www.ronayres.com If you look around the Iron Butt Website (http://www.ironbutt.com) they have a list of some accomplishments. Louis _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 08:11:11 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03648 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6DBDB30180; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:11:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990810075847.00bd42c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:09:56 -0400 To: Mike T From: Chris Norloff Subject: Maximum Iron butt? [was Sugarloaf Mountain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990809224033.00b78f00@mail.troutman.org> References: <37AF8CA9.BA78B4F3@patriot.net> <199908092126.AA36896986@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:46 PM 8/9/99 , Mike T wrote: Speaking of sore asses and you iron butt folks, what is the longest Iron Butt ride to date? From where to where? ---------------------------------------------- How about 49 states in 7 days and 1 minute? http://www.ronayres.com/ How about around the world in 31 days 20 minutes? (a Guinness record). http://www.whitehorsepress.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/Products/ProdData/FASTV.ht m/map "Riding a 900cc Triumph Daytona, Nick Sanders rode 19,930 miles in a Guinness record time of 31 days, 20 hours. Officially certified under the title Speed Navigation of the World by Vehicle, Sanders became the fastest person ever to ride a motorcycle around the world, beating the previous record-holder by two days." Here's a neat page http://www.clic.net/~cperro/Page_7.htm And, of course, the IronButt Assoc. themselves- http://www.ironbutt.com/ 20 days left to the start of the next IronButt! Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 08:11:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03645 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6D8DB30180; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:11:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990810075158.00d967e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:52:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain In-Reply-To: <37AF39CD.1F8A30FD@patriot.net> References: <852567C8.004A8B46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ISTEA - Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act ... I think. keeper of bizarre acronyms, Chris Norloff At 04:27 PM 8/9/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >Excuusssee me? I forgot the exact title - ICETEA -or something like that - a >federal act which opens all roads for cycles. Chicago attempted to close the >Loop to bikes and got hammered by the feds. > >Bill > >christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Even if it weren't on private property, it's in Maryland (if it's the same > > Sugarloaf I'm familiar with). The recent de-restriction was for Virginia > > state-supported roads, not federal roads or Maryland roads. > > > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > > It's private property/private road, although usually open to the public. > > They > > may have received federal money, but there was no indication of that in the > > information I read about the place. Belongs to a mining company or > > something > > like that. > > > > Louis > > > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > If that road recieved one dime from the feds for construction or > > maintinence, > > > thenthere can be no restriction against motorcycles. It's da law - > > recently > > > passed. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > > computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 08:11:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03651 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6DADB30180; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:11:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990810081145.00d926c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:12:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Short Novice looking for first bike... In-Reply-To: <199908100420.AAA01609@web2.chek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:20 AM 8/10/99 , Gil Nissley wrote: > Somewhere out there is also a short bikers' site. Used to be listed on > Yahoo,but can't find it now. http://www.ki.org/sbl/ Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 08:12:08 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03719 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-6.patriot.net [206.29.51.158]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA13558; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:12:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0161E.A9A6C35A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:07:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: George Howell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <199908100422.AAA07287@musone.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep - sweet looking machineand pilot. Some gal aimmed it down the course and clocked 161 MPH in a quarter. On a bagger??? YIKES! I'd like to know what kind of suspension mods that thang has to keep it from getting goofy at higher speeds.. Bill still running the stock rev limiter on me bagger... Gil Nissley wrote: > > They do race baggers,ya know. > > Serious. Harley even built a 'super bagger' Road Glide. > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertable > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 08:30:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04410 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FG9001AU1DKRG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:29:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA12560; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:25:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990810122943.WCBV32221@[166.41.251.160]>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:29:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:27:54 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Short Novice looking for first bike... In-reply-to: To: cambion , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000901bee32b$c53d7270$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Short Bikers page...... http://www.ki.org/sbl/otherpages.html http://www.ki.org/sbl/openimg.html And something fun I found just searching around...BMW-Centric Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: cambion [mailto:cambion@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 6:01 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Short Novice looking for first bike... > > > Hello all, > > I am new to the list, and to riding. I am looking for a bike, primarily > for my girlfriend (I'll have an easier time finding one for me). She is > quite small, and is really looking for a used 250cc bike that doesn't > weigh very much and is as short as can be. It's main use would be for her > short commute to work (about 2-3 miles a day at most, no highway). If > anyone has any leads or suggestions I would /greatly/ appreciate it! > > Thanks, > Mike > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > > Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 > --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion > --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI > Worldcom Company > > - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 08:41:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04727 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-6.patriot.net [206.29.51.158]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15709; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37B01CE3.69685400@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:36:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <199908100713.DAA11350@web2.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gas milage? Mine varies according to speed. 70+ and it sucks the fuel. (35 or less) chugging around at 45/55 on back roads and it's near 50 MPG. K&N, Screaming Eagle (Kerker) pipes with a few fuzzy internals missing - rejetted OEM CV carb and I filed and polished the slide. Cranks good enough for me, but I may get bored and do the cam/ignition thang someday. Bill Gil Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Brian Roach wrote: > >I put aftermarket pipes, a jet kit, and a K&N on my '99 Dyna. The thing > >was wheezing in stock form, and damn it, I just can't ride a bike that > >posseses more valve train noise than exhaust note. > > Mine has pepped up quite a bit after installing the EV-27. Gas mileage still sucks cause the former owner installed a Thunderjet. Along with the Pingle,I figure he was planning on doing some serious hop-ups before he changed his mind and traded for a Road King. > > >I may just be a poseur. Due to trying to make every WERA race weekend this > >year, I've only been able to put about 4500 miles on my street bikes. > >Guess I'm going to have to do a lot of catching up this fall :) > > I haven't even put 450 miles on yet this year. Of course,I spent the entire spring playing in the sand. > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertable > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 10:21:40 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06712 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA20381; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:22:18 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa16275; Tue, 10 Aug 99 10:18:26 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG9001US6GVF3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C9.004E55AE ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:15:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:13:42 -0400 Subject: FS: '87 Yam FZ 600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C9.004E3A00.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL The following bike is being sold by the boyfriend of one of my coworkers. I haven't seen it, so "caveat emptor." 1987 Yamaha FZ 600 14,000 miles Kept in Garage Red & White $2000 obo contact kelly.humphrey@XXXXXX (if this email addy doesn't work for some reason, email me and I'll forward it to her) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 11:47:17 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08683 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA21309; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:47:18 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017628; Tue, 10 Aug 99 11:43:20 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FG900HU9AEUDJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567C9.00562257 ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:40:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:34:06 -0400 Subject: Re: MC communications.. To: Louis E Tweed Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567C9.0055E384.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL For me, they didn't work and were a total waste of $$$. YMMV, --chris PS. They do work alright on Bicycles ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Louis E Tweed Date: 08/09/99 05:11:47 PM GMT Subject: Re: MC communications.. Maxon makes handheld cb units that have optional headsets. The headsets have VOX operation or PTT operation. cost is about $49 for the HCB10A unit and about $30 for the headsets. I have these but haven't had the time to try them out yet. Louis ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 12:44:47 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09821 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990810164429.2785.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.173] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:44:29 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain To: Gil Nissley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gil Nissley wrote: > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > wrote: > >Speaking of which....an attorney I work with was > >shocked when I told him we do 400+ mile days out > into > >the mountains. He claims he is unable to ride his > >Harley for more than 100 miles. Probably gives him > >hemorhoids. > > I wish I'd only had 'roids from the two WSDYMFG > rides I went on. Never wish for 'roids, my friend. Unless, of course, you're into that type of thang. > Don't think there was a single part > of my body that didn't hurt. :-P Not to mention the rotors on that Buell. > Wot's the > point of dropping all that cash on a pose toy if > people won't turn to look at you when you go by? Reminds me of this idiot I grew up with. He bought a Fat Boy, then went tooling around Arizona with a handgun strapped to his shoulder. The ultimate posing biker gansta. Somebody should have shot that m-f-er. -- tg _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 13:29:37 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10717 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990810172701.3153.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.250] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:27:01 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sugarloaf Mountain To: Tom Gimer , Gil Nissley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah but i bet that would cut down on tailgaters and people cutting you off, or trying to impose on your space. :) --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Gil Nissley wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > > wrote: > > >Speaking of which....an attorney I work with was > > >shocked when I told him we do 400+ mile days out > > into > > >the mountains. He claims he is unable to ride his > > >Harley for more than 100 miles. Probably gives him > > >hemorhoids. > > > > I wish I'd only had 'roids from the two WSDYMFG > > rides I went on. > > Never wish for 'roids, my friend. Unless, of course, > you're into that type of thang. > > > > Don't think there was a single part > > of my body that didn't hurt. :-P > > Not to mention the rotors on that Buell. > > > > Wot's the > > point of dropping all that cash on a pose toy if > > people won't turn to look at you when you go by? > > Reminds me of this idiot I grew up with. He bought a > Fat Boy, then went tooling around Arizona with a > handgun strapped to his shoulder. The ultimate posing > biker gansta. Somebody should have shot that m-f-er. > > > -- > tg > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 16:33:33 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14163 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm7a-10.his.com [216.200.82.10]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13629 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990810162724.008df8f0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:27:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: long Iron Butt rides In-Reply-To: <19990810110833.19729.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:08 AM 8/10/99 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >Do you mean a 24 hour ride? A few (2 or 3?) people managed to do 2000 >miles in 24 hrs. Mostly out in Nevada or Montana. You would have ~average~ 83.4 mph for 24 hours to rack up over 2000 miles. This includes fuel, head, food stops. We did a 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges in 1993. We had quickfill fuel dump cans, quick release wheel changing fittings, and six go like nuts racers. We ~barley~ managed to get that kind of milage, and Nelson is a fairly high speed track with average speeds over 90. Anybody who sez they did more than 2k miles in 24hrs on public roads I would suspect as having made their claim based on a odometer or tripmeter reading. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 17:45:57 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f48.hotmail.com [209.185.131.111]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15535 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52981 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 21:45:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810214522.52980.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:45:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:45:22 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've met three of the guys who claim to have done 2k days. I've ridden with one of them a couple of times. I've also turned in the paperwork required for documenting a ride like this. I believe they really did it. I did 1560 actual miles on a Ninja 250 in 24 hours on public roads east of the Mississippi. I'm certain those guys can break 2000 miles given the better roads out west. Road racing and endurance riding are different sports. 400 miles with the WSDYMFG is hard work. For endurance riding, 400 miles is an easy warm up, take a break for a meal and repeat a couple more times before the day is over. Leon. >From: Stephen Harris >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: long Iron Butt rides >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:27:24 -0400 > >At 04:08 AM 8/10/99 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >Do you mean a 24 hour ride? A few (2 or 3?) people managed to do 2000 > >miles in 24 hrs. Mostly out in Nevada or Montana. > > You would have ~average~ 83.4 mph for 24 hours to rack up over 2000 miles. > This includes fuel, head, food stops. We did a 24 hour race at Nelson >Ledges in 1993. We had quickfill fuel dump cans, quick release wheel >changing fittings, and six go like nuts racers. We ~barley~ managed to get >that kind of milage, and Nelson is a fairly high speed track with average >speeds over 90. > > Anybody who sez they did more than 2k miles in 24hrs on public roads I >would suspect as having made their claim based on a odometer or tripmeter >reading. > > Stephen > >Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? >Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 18:36:03 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16504 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-59.patriot.net [209.249.180.59]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16650; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:35:53 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0A854.B7541889@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:31:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mrider@XXXXXX CC: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides References: <19990810214522.52980.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah yes, the joy of .. what was it now? Oh yeah Iron Butts. Big whoopie. So did y`all take in the scenery (at 80+ MPH)? Chat with the citizens at rest stops and gas stations? You know, the promo bit - letting the kiddies sit on the bike and go "varoom varoom". Stop on the way to help a motorist (preferably a damsel) in distress? Okay, so I'm an old fart and prefer to meander rather than hunker down and scream over the pavement in a rather ludicrious quest to pile up super-miles. That's why I pilot a Bagger. She's like a healthy, voluptious woman - built for cruising not for speed :-) Bill Leon Begeman wrote: > I've met three of the guys who claim to have done 2k days. I've ridden with > one of them a couple of times. I've also turned in the paperwork required > for documenting a ride like this. I believe they really did it. I did 1560 > actual miles on a Ninja 250 in 24 hours on public roads east of the > Mississippi. I'm certain those guys can break 2000 miles given the better > roads out west. > > Road racing and endurance riding are different sports. 400 miles with the > WSDYMFG is hard work. For endurance riding, 400 miles is an easy warm up, > take a break for a meal and repeat a couple more times before the day is > over. > > Leon. > > >From: Stephen Harris > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: long Iron Butt rides > >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:27:24 -0400 > > > >At 04:08 AM 8/10/99 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > >Do you mean a 24 hour ride? A few (2 or 3?) people managed to do 2000 > > >miles in 24 hrs. Mostly out in Nevada or Montana. > > > > You would have ~average~ 83.4 mph for 24 hours to rack up over 2000 miles. > > This includes fuel, head, food stops. We did a 24 hour race at Nelson > >Ledges in 1993. We had quickfill fuel dump cans, quick release wheel > >changing fittings, and six go like nuts racers. We ~barley~ managed to get > >that kind of milage, and Nelson is a fairly high speed track with average > >speeds over 90. > > > > Anybody who sez they did more than 2k miles in 24hrs on public roads I > >would suspect as having made their claim based on a odometer or tripmeter > >reading. > > > > Stephen > > > >Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > >Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 18:58:02 1999 Return-Path: adam@XXXXXX Received: from spike.globalinfotek.com (asbestos.globalinfotek.com [216.181.7.254] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16889 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by spike.globalinfotek.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA17262 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:02:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:02:28 -0400 (EDT) From: adam wenchel X-Sender: adam@XXXXXX Reply-To: adam wenchel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: newbie needs a big favor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey all- i'm new to this list, and to owning a motorcycle... i bought '71 triumph tiger 650 a few months ago and finally got it past inspection and registerred. unfortunately i don't yet have a license. the sad reason is that i need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's driving course so they will let me take the road test. anyone volunteering an hour of their time would get my undying gratitude, and just in case that's not enough: perhaps a 12-pack of your favorite malted beverage? obviously i will be totally flexible schedule-wise, anytime the DMV is open is fine with me. thanks, adam From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 19:03:59 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17021 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18547 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FG900E01UP0CU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FG9007IHUOZ79@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:06:30 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:02:18 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: long Iron Butt rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC804@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT You're absolutely right, Bill, Iron Butt riding isn't for everyone. Haven't you ever wanted to meander on another coast or some other place. It sure is nice to know that you can go from FL to CA in 50 hours and spend the rest of the time taking in the sights, talking with the people, etc on a different coast rather than spending your entire vacation just getting there. I've ridden around New England but it was nice to know that I could zip home and sleep in my own bed in just a few hours knowing I can ride those 600-700 miles without too much bother. BTW, I never went over 75 even when the limit was 65 and am confident that I could have done 1000 miles in a single day. You must have misunderstood Leon, endurance riding is not a road race. It's how long you can stay in the saddle. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 6:32 PM > To: mrider@XXXXXX > Cc: harris@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides > > Ah yes, the joy of .. what was it now? Oh yeah Iron Butts. Big whoopie. So > did y`all > take in the scenery (at 80+ MPH)? Chat with the citizens at rest stops and > gas > stations? You know, the promo bit - letting the kiddies sit on the bike > and go "varoom > varoom". Stop on the way to help a motorist (preferably a damsel) in > distress? > > Okay, so I'm an old fart and prefer to meander rather than hunker down and > scream over > the pavement in a rather ludicrious quest to pile up super-miles. That's > why I pilot a > Bagger. She's like a healthy, voluptious woman - built for cruising not > for speed :-) > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 19:07:13 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17100 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.121] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD5D5540162; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:53:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0B098.B0807F33@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:07:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <199908100402.AAA06199@musone.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil Nissley wrote: > > You're sure you can't swing a loan? The Dyna may be getting put on >the sale block soon. I have to go see the orderly room tomorrow about >orders,and if I go remote,the Dyna's going bye-bye(to be replaced by an >AAFEES-procured Y2K FXDX). Oh man, you are so cruel! :) I could probably just swing the loan for the bike. But first I gotta get the garage built. Then the steel ring sunk into the cement floor. Then the security chain. And the anti- theft pager and motion sensors. THAT's where I'd go broke. Did I mention the big mean dog? And I don't think the Dyna would last long parked out in front of our house in the meantime, waiting for all the other stuff. :) One nice thing about the Connies - I don't lie awake at night wondering if they are still gonna be there in the morning. Good luck, Gil! Hope all goes well. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 19:51:32 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17853 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.121] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A7D485A0136; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:37:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0BB0F.323D6D85@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:51:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides References: <19990810214522.52980.qmail@hotmail.com> <37B0A854.B7541889@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > Ah yes, the joy of .. what was it now? Oh yeah Iron Butts. Big > whoopie. So did y`all take in the scenery (at 80+ MPH)? It's possible. A lot of times I'll ride IB style somewhere so that I can SEE some scenery. Time and distance compression via Concours. :) > Chat with the citizens at rest stops and gas stations? You know, the > promo bit - letting the kiddies sit on the bike and go "varoom > varoom". I've found that the dirtier you let the bike get (I call mine BugSlayer with good reason) the less parents (and kids) want to come near you. Good thing if you want to make time. :) >Stop on the way to help a motorist (preferably a damsel) in distress? You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on any of my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but a bike pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop and offer whatever kind of help I can. > Okay, so I'm an old fart and prefer to meander rather than hunker down > and scream over the pavement in a rather ludicrious quest to pile up > super-miles. IB riding isn't the end-all and be-all of riding for me either. It's just another fascinating part of the whole deal. I still want to get a dirt bike someday and see some REAL scenery. I've never ridden a trials bike. I haven't done a track day yet. I've never piloted a sidecar (or sqeezed my wide butt into the 'chair'). I'd like to do an off-road enduro thing at least once. I think doing some weekend racing like Collin and Brian and Steve (and a bunch of others around here) would be an absolute blast, too. Anyway, my point is, I'm a bike slut. If it involves motorcycles, I am interested. LDriding is a great way to combine riding, seeing the country, competing non-competitively, and maximizing the use of my minimal vacation time. :) > That's why I pilot a Bagger. She's like a healthy, voluptious woman - > built for cruising not for speed :-) For me, long distance riding has actually very little to do with the bike. My last trip was a trip out to Kansas City, MO for a rendezvous with a bunch of people I've never met to eat dinner at a specified time. I rode out, slept on the grass at rest-stops when I got tired, ate a wonderful meal with wonderful folks, and rode back. 1100 miles each way, two consecutive days. Never went faster than 80 mph. Didn't have to take any vacation time, either. It was a fun trip. I want to go again. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 19:55:59 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17888 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id iFMTa02400 (4398); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:52:42 EDT Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor To: adam@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/10/1999 7:06:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adam@XXXXXX writes: << hey all- i'm new to this list, and to owning a motorcycle... i bought '71 triumph tiger 650 a few months ago and finally got it past inspection and registerred. unfortunately i don't yet have a license. the sad reason is that i need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's driving course so they will let me take the road test. anyone volunteering an hour of their time would get my undying gratitude, and just in case that's not enough: perhaps a 12-pack of your favorite malted beverage? obviously i will be totally flexible schedule-wise, anytime the DMV is open is fine with me. thanks, adam >> We are you in DC? I might be willing if no one else volunteers. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 20:08:20 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18132 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.121] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id ABC483A0104; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:54:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0BEFF.3B47F12D@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:08:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Harris CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides References: <3.0.5.32.19990810162724.008df8f0@mail.his.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen Harris wrote: > > You would have ~average~ 83.4 mph for 24 hours to rack up over 2000 > miles. This includes fuel, head, food stops. That is correct. But in order to make big miles, you minimize the stops. The IBA allows 11 gallons of fuel onboard, so auxiliary fuel systems are common on the 'big dawgs' bikes. Food stops are a waste of time. Eat and drink on the bike. Restroom stops are the killer. If you can balance drinking enough water (via a camelbak or something) without dehydrating and still hold it until you need fuel again (~5 hours between fillups at speed) you are golden. It takes practice. I'm not even gonna mention Morris and his funnel.... > Anybody who sez they did more than 2k miles in 24hrs on public roads I > would suspect as having made their claim based on a odometer or > tripmeter reading. That is usually part of it. So are time/date/location stamped gas receipts, so your route can be independently verified. Log every stop, account for every moment spent not moving, and be able to prove it. One guy who did a 2K Day (2138 miles I think he did) did his ride in essentially two 1000+ mile laps in Nevada. He ran it first in the daylight, noting the good gas stops, and then repeated the same route at night, saving more time because he knew exactly where he was going when it came time to refuel the Goldwing. And yes, he essentially cruised at 90 mph for an entire day. Radar detectors are another important mod, I guess. Another 2K Day-er took advantage of Montana's Reasonable and Prudent speeds a while ago to post big numbers. Location is the key, I think. I can't imagine someone riding like that here on the East Coast. I'm gonna try a 24 hour ride here sometime in the next year. I'll be ecstatic with 1600 miles (you need 1500 for a BunBurner Gold award). -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 20:12:09 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18212 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.121] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id ACA961E00FA; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:58:33 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0BFE4.8462C3F3@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:12:20 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Harris CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides References: <3.0.5.32.19990810162724.008df8f0@mail.his.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen Harris wrote: > You would have ~average~ 83.4 mph for 24 hours to rack up over 2000 > miles. This includes fuel, head, food stops. We did a 24 hour race at > Nelson Ledges in 1993. We had quickfill fuel dump cans, quick release > wheel changing fittings, and six go like nuts racers. We ~barley~ > managed to get that kind of milage, and Nelson is a fairly high speed > track with average speeds over 90. Well, the big mile guys don't have to worry about changing tires, refueling gas tanks for thirsty race bikes when the tanks are limited to stock sizes, or negotiating hairpins, carousels, and esses at speed with other bikers around, either. You guys got us way beat on the stress-o-meter, that's for sure. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 20:37:14 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18609 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.121] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A28B96A0104; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:23:39 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0C5C6.4F03ADCA@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:37:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <199908092126.AA36896986@tidalwave.net> <4.2.0.58.19990809224033.00b78f00@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 10:21 PM 8/9/1999 , Bill Huson wrote: > Bagger - `93 FLHS . A former garage queen as the guy had it for 5 > years and racked up an *amazing* 4200 miles. Another bike rescued from the clutches of an abusive and neglectful owner. Good job. I love happy endings. :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 21:39:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19586 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-59.patriot.net [209.249.180.59]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA31709; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:38:54 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0D33A.29D1B3E0@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:34:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC804@EMSS09M05> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I have a tendancy to zip home also. Like last summer, after a two week liesurely tour of the deep south, I left Baton Rouge LA and made the trip in two 600 mile days. I love to meander to other areas, but save for the a few totally boring states, there's plenty to see along the way. If I need to get somewhere fast I take a plane. Vactation time? Self-employed. heh heh Bill Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > You're absolutely right, Bill, Iron Butt riding isn't for everyone. Haven't > you ever wanted to meander on another coast or some other place. It sure is > nice to know that you can go from FL to CA in 50 hours and spend the rest of > the time taking in the sights, talking with the people, etc on a different > coast rather than spending your entire vacation just getting there. I've > ridden around New England but it was nice to know that I could zip home and > sleep in my own bed in just a few hours knowing I can ride those 600-700 > miles without too much bother. BTW, I never went over 75 even when the > limit was 65 and am confident that I could have done 1000 miles in a single > day. You must have misunderstood Leon, endurance riding is not a road race. > It's how long you can stay in the saddle. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 6:32 PM > > To: mrider@XXXXXX > > Cc: harris@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides > > > > Ah yes, the joy of .. what was it now? Oh yeah Iron Butts. Big whoopie. So > > did y`all > > take in the scenery (at 80+ MPH)? Chat with the citizens at rest stops and > > gas > > stations? You know, the promo bit - letting the kiddies sit on the bike > > and go "varoom > > varoom". Stop on the way to help a motorist (preferably a damsel) in > > distress? > > > > Okay, so I'm an old fart and prefer to meander rather than hunker down and > > scream over > > the pavement in a rather ludicrious quest to pile up super-miles. That's > > why I pilot a > > Bagger. She's like a healthy, voluptious woman - built for cruising not > > for speed :-) > > > > Bill > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 21:52:09 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19822 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-59.patriot.net [209.249.180.59]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32667; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:52:03 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0D64F.44DC89ED@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:47:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides References: <19990810214522.52980.qmail@hotmail.com> <37B0A854.B7541889@patriot.net> <37B0BB0F.323D6D85@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll stop for a cage. Not all cages. If it appears they have the situation somewhat under control - zoooommm. As for LD riding, I do a lot of that. But the IB thang is all about distance with no scenery at the end. Just turn around and do the next half of the IB. Fun for some - pointless to me. The kids like bikes - dirty or otherwise. Sometimes the parents seem nervous. Lemme see - black Harley - kinda messed over by nature (bugs & such), and oh yeah - rider who seems to have forgotten his shaver and just got up from a nap on a picnic table. Bill Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > Ah yes, the joy of .. what was it now? Oh yeah Iron Butts. Big > > whoopie. So did y`all take in the scenery (at 80+ MPH)? > > It's possible. A lot of times I'll ride IB style somewhere so > that I can SEE some scenery. Time and distance compression via > Concours. :) > > > Chat with the citizens at rest stops and gas stations? You know, the > > promo bit - letting the kiddies sit on the bike and go "varoom > > varoom". > > I've found that the dirtier you let the bike get (I call mine > BugSlayer with good reason) the less parents (and kids) want to > come near you. Good thing if you want to make time. :) > > >Stop on the way to help a motorist (preferably a damsel) in distress? > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > any of my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, > but a bike pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me > to stop and offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > Okay, so I'm an old fart and prefer to meander rather than hunker down > > and scream over the pavement in a rather ludicrious quest to pile up > > super-miles. > > IB riding isn't the end-all and be-all of riding for me either. It's > just another fascinating part of the whole deal. I still want to get > a dirt bike someday and see some REAL scenery. I've never ridden a > trials bike. I haven't done a track day yet. I've never piloted a > sidecar (or sqeezed my wide butt into the 'chair'). I'd like to do > an off-road enduro thing at least once. I think doing some weekend racing like > Collin and Brian and Steve (and a bunch of others around > here) would be an absolute blast, too. > > Anyway, my point is, I'm a bike slut. If it involves motorcycles, > I am interested. LDriding is a great way to combine riding, seeing > the country, competing non-competitively, and maximizing the use of > my minimal vacation time. :) > > > That's why I pilot a Bagger. She's like a healthy, voluptious woman - > > built for cruising not for speed :-) > > For me, long distance riding has actually very little to do with the > bike. My last trip was a trip out to Kansas City, MO for a rendezvous > with a bunch of people I've never met to eat dinner at a specified time. > I rode out, slept on the grass at rest-stops when I got tired, ate a > wonderful meal with wonderful folks, and rode back. 1100 miles each > way, two consecutive days. Never went faster than 80 mph. Didn't > have to take any vacation time, either. It was a fun trip. I want > to go again. > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 22:45:04 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20723 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id WAA23036; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:44:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:44:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: adam wenchel cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I live in Alexandria, and am free in the mornings - where in DC are you? - Brian Roach On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, adam wenchel wrote: > > hey all- > i'm new to this list, and to owning a motorcycle... i bought '71 > triumph tiger 650 a few months ago and finally got it past inspection and > registerred. unfortunately i don't yet have a license. the sad reason is > that i need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's driving course so > they will let me take the road test. anyone volunteering an hour of their > time would get my undying gratitude, and just in case that's not enough: > perhaps a 12-pack of your favorite malted beverage? obviously i will be > totally flexible schedule-wise, anytime the DMV is open is fine with me. > > thanks, > adam > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 23:33:28 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21574 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id XAA12490 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:33:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides In-Reply-To: <37B0BB0F.323D6D85@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on any of > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but a bike > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop and > offer whatever kind of help I can. Speaking of..... I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally fixed with a rock, and a knife) Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. Very, very, very aggravating. Oh well, it all turned out. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX F4 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 23:53:19 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21891 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-144.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.144]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA10743 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:53:16 -0400 Message-ID: <002801bee3ac$d9b8ce80$90a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:51:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Uh Adam -- When I went through that process in DC a couple of years ago the DMV required that an appointment for the drivers test be made. Lead time then was a month or so. Also I remember having to hammer through that I wanted a MOTORCYCLE drivers test. The details seemed to weigh in. Not exactly sure what is meant by "i need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's driving course". Another on a bike accompanying you on your bike? Another in a car? A truck carrying your bike? Those folks at the DMV lot trailer can have their brain stems ending in the DC Motor Vehicle Code. They've been known to check all details of insurance /license/registration for all drivers concerned in a situation. If you are not "M"d on your license, there may be something about getting a learner's permit after taking a written test. Other than that driving an MC in DC (on streets up to the DMV lot) is not legal. Trucking a bike at the appointed time might work. Of course one might get lucky, and perhaps you've solved all this. But maybe these thoughts may save you some headaches. That ride sounds like fun. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Leaves all paperwork up to Bill Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: adam wenchel ...snip i need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's driving course so >they will let me take the road test. ...snip From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 10 23:57:05 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21968 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811035633.6130.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.73.85] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:56:33 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:56:33 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain To: Dale Horstman , Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dang, I've done that kind of mileage in a week! Spence.. 88 Concours..... --- Dale Horstman wrote: > At 10:21 PM 8/9/1999 , Bill Huson wrote: > > Bagger - `93 FLHS . A former garage queen as the > guy had it for 5 > > years and racked up an *amazing* 4200 miles. > > Another bike rescued from the clutches of an abusive > and > neglectful owner. Good job. I love happy endings. > :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: > BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel > the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love > leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 00:22:08 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22386 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26925 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 04:19:18 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 04:19:18 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA07745; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:18:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:18:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199908110418.AAA07745@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:07:58 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >Yep - sweet looking machineand pilot. Some gal aimmed it down the course and >clocked 161 MPH in a quarter. On a bagger??? YIKES! Are you sure that was the Screaming Eagle bike Harley used to intro it's bagger racing series? I have a postcard about that bike and it claimed 121hp. Ain't no way a 700+lbs bike with that kind of power is going to hit 161 in the 1/4. Suzi's Hyabusa can't even do that. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 00:30:45 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22537 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32288 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 04:27:59 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 04:27:59 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA22183; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:26:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:26:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199908110426.AAA22183@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:36:51 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >Gas milage? Mine varies according to speed. 70+ and it sucks the fuel. (35 or less) chugging around at 45/55 on back roads and it's near 50 MPG. Mine was getting 32 w/out the barndoor windshield. Now with the cam/aircleaner it gets 42-45. > K&N, Screaming Eagle (Kerker) pipes with a few fuzzy internals missing - rejetted OEM CV carb and I filed and polished the >slide. Cranks good enough for me, but I may get bored and do the cam/ignition thang someday. Dude,you have *got* to cam the thing. Night and day difference. It's got life past 70 now. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 00:36:13 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22649 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3290 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 04:33:27 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 04:33:27 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA08817; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:32:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:32:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199908110432.AAA08817@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:07:04 -0400 Dale Horstman wrote: >Oh man, you are so cruel! :) I could probably just swing the loan for >the bike. Well,you'll get your chance come Nov/Dec. Got an assignment to Korea and leaving in Feb. The Convertible's going up for sale this fall for sure. > But first I gotta get the garage built. Then the steel ring >sunk into the cement floor. Then the security chain. And the anti- >theft pager and motion sensors. THAT's where I'd go broke. Did I mention the >big mean dog? And I don't think the Dyna would last long parked out in front >of our house in the meantime, waiting for all the other stuff. :) Park it in the house. I'm sure the wife will understand. She rides. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 00:42:15 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22730 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7168 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 04:39:29 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 04:39:29 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA09350; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:38:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:38:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199908110438.AAA09350@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Ken Woods wrote: >Speaking of..... >I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile >east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally fixed >with a rock, and a knife) I always carry tools,if nothing more than my SwissTool or Leatherman. Last guy I stopped to help didn't even have a bottle opener on his keychain. >Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. >Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. >One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. Karma will return the favor to them. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 02:32:02 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA25363 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811063157.28253.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:31:57 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides To: Ken Woods , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I woulda stopped, I have pliers and the spark plug tool under my seat, but I always carry my cell phone, so that's probably what i might have offered first.. That, or offer to run home real quick and grab my tool box and pickup truck, so you could do whatever you needed, and if that didn't work, get towed. Last week I posted here for everyone in this area (md side, 495, b/w parkway area) to email me for my cell phone # for emergencies. Not too many people replied. I wonder if most riders carry cell phones? For everyone who rides in this area md side 495/b/w parkway area, write this down on a peice of paper and put it under your seat, in your wallet, phone book whatever: Daniel from dc-cycles 301-613-1774 (cell phone #) pickup truck + tools even if you don't have a cell phone, someone with a cell phone may stop. I'm not a mechanic but atleast you'll have some tools and a tow at your disposal if you need it. Even if you have a brand new bike, right it down, even the bike shops close at a certain time, so you might be out of luck to call them. Better to have my # and not need it, than to need help and not have it. Now watch *my* bike break down hehe. Daniel --- Ken Woods wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > any of > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but a > bike > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > and > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > Speaking of..... > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > fixed > with a rock, and a knife) > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > Very, very, very aggravating. > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > F4 > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 02:48:21 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA25713 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811064638.1809.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:46:38 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides To: Bill Huson , mrider@XXXXXX Cc: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hear that.. If i'm going to travel cross country, I'd like to take time to stop at places and enjoy them. --- Bill Huson wrote: > Ah yes, the joy of .. what was it now? Oh yeah Iron Butts. Big > whoopie. So did y`all > take in the scenery (at 80+ MPH)? Chat with the citizens at rest > stops and gas > stations? You know, the promo bit - letting the kiddies sit on the > bike and go "varoom > varoom". Stop on the way to help a motorist (preferably a damsel) > in distress? > > Okay, so I'm an old fart and prefer to meander rather than hunker > down and scream over > the pavement in a rather ludicrious quest to pile up super-miles. > That's why I pilot a > Bagger. She's like a healthy, voluptious woman - built for cruising > not for speed :-) > > Bill > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > I've met three of the guys who claim to have done 2k days. I've > ridden with > > one of them a couple of times. I've also turned in the paperwork > required > > for documenting a ride like this. I believe they really did it. > I did 1560 > > actual miles on a Ninja 250 in 24 hours on public roads east of > the > > Mississippi. I'm certain those guys can break 2000 miles given > the better > > roads out west. > > > > Road racing and endurance riding are different sports. 400 miles > with the > > WSDYMFG is hard work. For endurance riding, 400 miles is an easy > warm up, > > take a break for a meal and repeat a couple more times before the > day is > > over. > > > > Leon. > > > > >From: Stephen Harris > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: long Iron Butt rides > > >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:27:24 -0400 > > > > > >At 04:08 AM 8/10/99 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > >Do you mean a 24 hour ride? A few (2 or 3?) people managed to > do 2000 > > > >miles in 24 hrs. Mostly out in Nevada or Montana. > > > > > > You would have ~average~ 83.4 mph for 24 hours to rack up > over 2000 miles. > > > This includes fuel, head, food stops. We did a 24 hour race > at Nelson > > >Ledges in 1993. We had quickfill fuel dump cans, quick release > wheel > > >changing fittings, and six go like nuts racers. We ~barley~ > managed to get > > >that kind of milage, and Nelson is a fairly high speed track > with average > > >speeds over 90. > > > > > > Anybody who sez they did more than 2k miles in 24hrs on > public roads I > > >would suspect as having made their claim based on a odometer or > tripmeter > > >reading. > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > >Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > > >Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 02:49:56 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA25723 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id CAA23741 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:49:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides In-Reply-To: <19990811063157.28253.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I also am available if anyone here gets in a jam. If you're on the VA side of the Beltway and ever break down or whatever, feel free to call me (703) 567-7406. I have a truck (and trailer, actually) and can at the very least get you to somewhere reasonable instead of the side of the interstate. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 03:22:09 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA26370 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 03:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28102 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 07:19:26 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 07:19:26 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA29713; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 03:17:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 03:17:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199908110717.DAA29713@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides FYI,for anyone when they're out of the area,the AMA has a very good nation-wide towing program. Would've come in handy with my Buells. 1-800-AMA-JOIN. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 06:46:17 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00202 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA2248525 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B15463.5D5989E1@radix.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:45:55 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, What time & inner or outer loop? I remember traffic was abysmal yesterday, but saw no stranded M/C or I would have stopped. FWIW, I rolled past BW pkwy, inner loop about 1600 or thereabouts. About 2 months ago, I was in the cage ( my only 2 wheeler was down ) & noticed a stranded GSXR. I pulled over & stopped. let him use the Cell phone etc. waiting until his help got there. He got passed by a couple of bikes too, one a BMW, who I guess was 'just too good' to stop... guys stopped for me before, even if it wasn't the right thing to do, I do it anyway to 'maintain the karmic balance'. Glad everything turned out ok. Ken Woods wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on any of > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but a bike > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop and > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > Speaking of..... > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally fixed > with a rock, and a knife) > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > Very, very, very aggravating. > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > F4 -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 06:57:22 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA00353 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811105657.29929.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 03:56:57 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 03:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides To: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Ken Woods wrote: > Speaking of..... > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally fixed > with a rock, and a knife) Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > Very, very, very aggravating. Ken, did you give any kind of signal that you needed help? When I passed a bike broken down on 495 last week, the driver just was just standing around. I wasn't sure if he was waiting for someone to catch up or if something was wrong. Something felt off though, so I turned around and it turned out he needed help. Other times when I saw a motorcycle on the side of the road and started to slow down, I've had people give me "thumbs up" showing me they were okay and so just continued on. If I ever do get stuck and have to pull off, I would imagine I would give a "thumbs down" and hope for some help. Wheter or not I get any remains to be seen. Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 07:12:47 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00593 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811111217.3107.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 04:12:17 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 04:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides To: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > Ah yes, the joy of .. what was it now? Oh yeah Iron Butts. Big whoopie. So > did y`all take in the scenery (at 80+ MPH)? Chat with the citizens at rest > stops and gas stations? You know, the promo bit - letting the kiddies sit on > the bike and go "varoom varoom". Stop on the way to help a motorist > preferably a damsel) in distress? I ride in several different "modes." There's my "Iron Butt" mode where I take in scenery as I go by. Granted that may mean I don't stop at every nook and cranny, and I don't stop and chat for hours, but I get places I normally wouldn't be able to because of time. When on the Capitol 1000 a few months ago, I was riding on Rt. 2 in West Virginia late at night. Saw all the factories along the river. May not sound like much, but it was cool to see at night, they all appeared the same, and it was actually eery the way they'd pop out just when I think the area is uninhabited. Not something I'd see on a "normal" ride. Then there is my "Poker Run / DC-Cycles Group / Take a Friend for a Ride" mode where the pace is more relaxed, the stops tend to take much longer, kiddies point at the bikes (I haven't had one ask to sit on mine and go "varoom" yet) etc. Here I get to chat with people, kick a few tires, etc. I've even led a few of the DC-Cycles rides. (But to be honest, sometimes when the stops get long, I want to get on my bike and get going already) No matter which "mode" I ride in, I would stop to help someone who needed help. Both modes are fun. And I'm not doing the same old thing every time. And it's not black and white either. For example, when I go to see my folks soon, I'll "Iron Butt" it to Connecticut, getting through MD, DE, NJ and NY, but then I have a map of "scenic" roads in Conn, so with the time I save getting up there, I plan on taking a long loop through CT to actually arrive at my folks place. As for racking up miles... heck, I bought the bike to ride, not to look good. Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 07:46:39 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01142 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13927; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:47:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: adam wenchel cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My understanding is that DC DMV will give you a "learners permit" if you complete the written segment of the examination. This will enable you to ride motorcycles during daylight hours. Your post indicates that you already know how to ride, so this shouldn't be a problem. Then head on back during the daylight (when else would DMV be open) and take your road test. It is a pain in the ass to go to DC DMV twice, but unless someone volunteers, it may be your best bet. Erik PS: 1 hour at DC DMV is a pipe dream. Plan for more. On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, adam wenchel wrote: > > hey all- > i'm new to this list, and to owning a motorcycle... i bought '71 > triumph tiger 650 a few months ago and finally got it past inspection and > registerred. unfortunately i don't yet have a license. the sad reason is > that i need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's driving course so > they will let me take the road test. anyone volunteering an hour of their > time would get my undying gratitude, and just in case that's not enough: > perhaps a 12-pack of your favorite malted beverage? obviously i will be > totally flexible schedule-wise, anytime the DMV is open is fine with me. > > thanks, > adam > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 07:57:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01296 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA03191 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11311 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id HAA27759; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990811075803.00a45570@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:59:45 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , SV650@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: pics w/high pipe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If anyone's interested, I posted a couple pics of the bike with the TBR exhaust, and one with the old pipe for comparison... huge improvement in my opinion. http://www.ocston.org/~granth/sv650/newframe.htm Follow the link "Pics of MY Ride"... sorry for the poor quality, but the scanner's a little old. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 08:18:50 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01629 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-122.patriot.net [209.249.180.122]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA30538; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37B1692F.6706EA9A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:14:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sugarloaf Mountain References: <199908110418.AAA07745@web2.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to the blurb in the "Enthusiast" (A Harley rag), Lori Francis aboard the Screaming Eagle pro-stock drag bike turned a 7.96 1/4 at 161 MPH in Atlanta. Typo maybe? Bill Gil Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:07:58 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: > >Yep - sweet looking machineand pilot. Some gal aimmed it down the course and > >clocked 161 MPH in a quarter. On a bagger??? YIKES! > > Are you sure that was the Screaming Eagle bike Harley used to intro it's bagger racing series? I have a postcard about that bike and it claimed 121hp. Ain't no way a 700+lbs bike with that kind of power is going to hit 161 in the 1/4. Suzi's Hyabusa can't even do that. > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 08:26:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01727 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03308 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA11619 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (216-164-225-21.s275.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.225.21]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11665; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:26:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , , "Grant Heffernan" Subject: Re: pics w/high pipe Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:23:42 -0700 Message-ID: <01bee40d$7eb12940$15e1a4d8@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey Grant, There are apparently a few guys over in the Annanadale/Fairfax area that have SVs and followed suit by adding a buell windshield... You may have started a trend. Kirt (from the Ruff Ryders Squid-fest) -----Original Message----- From: Grant Heffernan To: DC-Cycles Mailing List ; SV650@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 5:13 AM Subject: pics w/high pipe >If anyone's interested, I posted a couple pics of the bike with the TBR >exhaust, and one with the old pipe for comparison... huge improvement in my >opinion. >http://www.ocston.org/~granth/sv650/newframe.htm >Follow the link "Pics of MY Ride"... sorry for the poor quality, but the >scanner's a little old. > >********************************* >Grant M. Heffernan >Field Systems Engineer >The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. >Reston, VA 20191 >ph: (703) 715-8721 >http://www.ocston.org/~granth > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 08:34:30 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01894 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811123402.21540.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.22.27] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:34:02 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Bill Huson , mrider@XXXXXX Cc: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lemme say this: If I'd had time, I woulda. Problem is, some folks work for a living. The only way that I could do my trip was to push it. 7000 miles - 18 days. And yes, I wish I'd had twice as long. Spence... --- ITM wrote: > I hear that.. If i'm going to travel cross country, > I'd like > to take time to stop at places and enjoy them. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 08:34:30 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01895 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811123402.21540.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.22.27] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:34:02 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Bill Huson , mrider@XXXXXX Cc: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lemme say this: If I'd had time, I woulda. Problem is, some folks work for a living. The only way that I could do my trip was to push it. 7000 miles - 18 days. And yes, I wish I'd had twice as long. Spence... --- ITM wrote: > I hear that.. If i'm going to travel cross country, > I'd like > to take time to stop at places and enjoy them. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 09:01:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02759 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGA000MKXGEQT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:00:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA24601; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:59:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990811130013.HYYI32221@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:00:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:58:10 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: long Iron Butt rides In-reply-to: <37B0A854.B7541889@patriot.net> To: Bill Huson , mrider@XXXXXX Cc: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000001bee3f9$2a0eafc0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal How does that saying go? If I hadda explain..... Scenery, whoosh.... Sometimes it's just about the ride. Every now and then I'll slow for the scenery, but more often than not saddle time is more important to me. I recently DNF'd in the Capitol 1000 with 1360 miles (odo reading) in 24 hours. This involved searching out and recording answers to bonus challenges along the way. Was I tired when I got back? Oh, yeah. Was my ass sore as a result? Beyond that. Would I do it again? This weekend if it was goin on! :) I love putting on the big miles. Furthermore, like Tracy H. said it is cool to know that one can travel from the east-coast to the west-coast and vice-versa in under 2-days. If you've done a 1000 in 24 before, you know you can do it again. This is no great big show of skill or ability, and true anyone can do it. Big whoopie. But not everyone will, or would. Like they say, If I hadda explain...... Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Ah yes, the joy of .. what was it now? Oh yeah Iron Butts. Big > whoopie. So did y`all > take in the scenery (at 80+ MPH)? Chat with the citizens at rest > stops and gas > stations? You know, the promo bit - letting the kiddies sit on > the bike and go "varoom > varoom". Stop on the way to help a motorist (preferably a damsel) > in distress? > > Okay, so I'm an old fart and prefer to meander rather than hunker > down and scream over > the pavement in a rather ludicrious quest to pile up super-miles. > That's why I pilot a > Bagger. She's like a healthy, voluptious woman - built for > cruising not for speed :-) > > Bill > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > I've met three of the guys who claim to have done 2k days. > I've ridden with > > one of them a couple of times. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 09:08:40 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02944 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGA00HWNXTEJT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:08:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA20523; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:06:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990811130802.IBFI32221@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:08:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:05:59 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides In-reply-to: To: Ken Woods , dc-cycles Message-id: <000101bee3fa$415dd470$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Ken, You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the sacrafice to stop for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your help. Stop for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at least you did your part :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on any of > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but a bike > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop and > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > Speaking of..... > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally fixed > with a rock, and a knife) > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > Very, very, very aggravating. > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > F4 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 09:21:41 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03290 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04318; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d601bee3fd$72fa2620$3701a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: Cc: Subject: Slightly used, already modded F4 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:28:50 -0400 Organization: RCN Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D3_01BEE3DB.EBC3C010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01BEE3DB.EBC3C010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, sometimes I get lucky. A few people have been inquiring as to how = my recovery is coming along. Everything is doing great, and thanks for = asking. As far as a new bike for me is concerned, I've found an = incredible deal. I'll have fly there and pic it up, and drive it 8 = hours back, but that's no biggy... 1999 CBR 600F4 Two Brothers Full Carbon Fiber Exhaust (both high pipe and low pipe, and = still has stock system) Dynojet jet kit BMC air filter 15 tooth front sprocket (still has stock sprocket) flush mount rear turn signals w/nicely cut rear fender never been dropped or scratched runs-looks-sounds great need to sell $6800 OBO=20 KILLER DEAL... and it's even in Yellow/Black like I want... :-) Kirt No Damn CBR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01BEE3DB.EBC3C010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, sometimes I get lucky.  A = few people=20 have been inquiring as to how my recovery is coming along.  = Everything is=20 doing great, and thanks for asking.  As far as a new bike for me is = concerned, I've found an incredible deal.  I'll have fly there and = pic it=20 up, and drive it 8 hours back, but that's no biggy...
 
1999 CBR 600F4
Two Brothers Full Carbon Fiber Exhaust = (both high=20 pipe and low pipe, and still has stock system)
Dynojet jet kit
BMC air filter
15 tooth front sprocket (still has = stock=20 sprocket)
 flush mount rear turn signals = w/nicely cut=20 rear fender
 never been dropped or = scratched
 runs-looks-sounds = great
 need to sell
 $6800 OBO 
KILLER DEAL...  and it's even in = Yellow/Black=20 like I want...  :-)
 
Kirt
No Damn CBR
Annandale, Va
 
------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01BEE3DB.EBC3C010-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 09:36:22 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03590 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:36:20 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA14340; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:36:39 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa12879; Wed, 11 Aug 99 09:35:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGA00KSCZ51T2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CA.004A63D4 ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:32:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:28:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CA.004A371E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It's funny... Since learning to ride, I've virtually been *looking* for other bikes in need of help. No "luck" yet. The only people I've stopped for have waved me on, saying that they don't need any help. Oh well... Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 09:39:56 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03610 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA18807; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:40:30 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016786; Wed, 11 Aug 99 09:38:10 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGA00159ZBZGA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CA.004AC622 ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:36:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:35:41 -0400 Subject: Re: pics w/high pipe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CA.004ABA75.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Grant - Looks great! I nominate the next mod to be a set of Speed Triple headlights! That would be sweeeet.... Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 09:42:53 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03688 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811134211.26960.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:42:11 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think there's such a thing as a motorcycle learner's permit in DC. I asked for one when I moved here (I had one in Mass. but hadn't gotten the actual license yet). They looked really confused, then gave me the written test for a motorcycle endoresement, and then handed me a license with an M on it. So I never actually took a road test. It's kind of nice when bureaucratic mistakes work in your favor. (For the record, after getting that M on my license, I did in fact take the MSF course and pass and could have gotten the license without the test anyway...) In defense of the DC DMV (yes, you read that right) my dealings with them were never bad. There were a few really stupid rules that made no sense (like that you have to get a bike inspected BEFORE you can get a plate, what they consider "proof of residence," etc.) but I never waited around any longer than I did in Massachusetts, Connecticut, or New York, the people were uniformly helpful and pleasant (despite working in a dysfuntional organization), and I was always pleasantly surprised by them. When I moved to Virginia I was absolutely amazed by how efficient they were. It made me think that DC should just contract the whole thing out to VA and save themselves the headache... --- mobacc wrote: > Uh Adam -- > > When I went through that process in DC a couple > of years ago the DMV > required that an appointment for the drivers test be > made. Lead time then > was a month or so. Also I remember having to hammer > through that I wanted a > MOTORCYCLE drivers test. > > The details seemed to weigh in. Not exactly > sure what is meant by "i > need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's > driving course". Another > on a bike accompanying you on your bike? Another in > a car? A truck > carrying your bike? Those folks at the DMV lot > trailer can have their brain > stems ending in the DC Motor Vehicle Code. They've > been known to check all > details of insurance /license/registration for all > drivers concerned in a > situation. If you are not "M"d on your license, > there may be something > about getting a learner's permit after taking a > written test. Other than > that driving an MC in DC (on streets up to the DMV > lot) is not legal. > Trucking a bike at the appointed time might work. > > Of course one might get lucky, and perhaps > you've solved all this. But > maybe these thoughts may save you some headaches. > That ride sounds like > fun. > > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Leaves all paperwork up to Bill > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: adam wenchel > > > ...snip > > i need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's > driving course so > >they will let me take the road test. > > ...snip > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 09:46:29 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03767 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811134331.20698.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:43:31 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:43:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Another "was that one of us?" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, so that someone from this list at Hollywood Video on Clarendon Blvd in Arlington last night, about 8 PM? === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 09:49:51 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03785 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811134757.14533.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:47:57 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides To: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. The more riders the better. I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF MOTORCYCLING! :) --- Todd Peer wrote: > Ken, > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > sacrafice to stop > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > help. Stop > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > least you > did your part :) > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > any of > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but > a bike > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > and > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > Speaking of..... > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > mile > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > fixed > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > -- > > Ken Woods > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > F4 > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 10:07:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04163 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03780 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13661 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id KAA08028 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990811100905.00a47700@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:10:13 -0400 To: dc-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: pics w/high pipe In-Reply-To: <852567CA.004ABA75.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm all for that! I LOVE those headlights... I sat on the triple, but it was just too damn uncomfortable/funny feeling for me to think about buying one. But the headlights... those I'll take. Of course they probably cost about $1000 without bulbs. At 09:35 AM 8/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >Grant - Looks great! > >I nominate the next mod to be a set of Speed Triple headlights! That would >be sweeeet.... > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 10:16:32 1999 Return-Path: lenzy@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04332 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lenzy (user-2ivev2h.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.124.81]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26733 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008e01bee41c$add22440$f8f1fea9@lenzy> Reply-To: "Lenzy Echols" From: "Lenzy Echols" To: Subject: Re: Slightly used, already modded F4 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:12:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01BEE3E2.00C3D260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BEE3E2.00C3D260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a goo deal Kirt -- Where do you have to fly to ?=20 If you don't buy I might ........ Lenzy=20 94 F2 -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Senser To: cbr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:37 AM Subject: Slightly used, already modded F4 =20 =20 Well, sometimes I get lucky. A few people have been inquiring as to = how my recovery is coming along. Everything is doing great, and thanks = for asking. As far as a new bike for me is concerned, I've found an = incredible deal. I'll have fly there and pic it up, and drive it 8 = hours back, but that's no biggy... =20 1999 CBR 600F4 Two Brothers Full Carbon Fiber Exhaust (both high pipe and low pipe, = and still has stock system) Dynojet jet kit BMC air filter 15 tooth front sprocket (still has stock sprocket) flush mount rear turn signals w/nicely cut rear fender never been dropped or scratched runs-looks-sounds great need to sell $6800 OBO=20 =20 KILLER DEAL... and it's even in Yellow/Black like I want... :-) =20 Kirt No Damn CBR Annandale, Va =20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BEE3E2.00C3D260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like a goo deal Kirt -- Where = do you have=20 to fly to ?
If you don't = buy I might=20 ........
 
Lenzy
94 F2
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Kirt Senser <ksenser@XXXXXX>
To: = cbr@XXXXXX <cbr@XXXXXX>
Cc: = dc-cycles@XXXXXX = <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>Date:=20 Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:37 AM
Subject: Slightly = used,=20 already modded F4

Well, sometimes I get lucky.  = A few people=20 have been inquiring as to how my recovery is coming along.  = Everything=20 is doing great, and thanks for asking.  As far as a new bike = for me is=20 concerned, I've found an incredible deal.  I'll have fly there = and pic=20 it up, and drive it 8 hours back, but that's no = biggy...
 
1999 CBR 600F4
Two Brothers Full Carbon Fiber = Exhaust (both=20 high pipe and low pipe, and still has stock system)
Dynojet jet kit
BMC air filter
15 tooth front sprocket (still has = stock=20 sprocket)
 flush mount rear turn signals = w/nicely=20 cut rear fender
 never been dropped or=20 scratched
 runs-looks-sounds = great
 need to sell
 $6800 = OBO 
KILLER DEAL...  and it's even = in=20 Yellow/Black like I want...  :-)
 
Kirt
No Damn CBR
Annandale, Va
 
------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BEE3E2.00C3D260-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 10:31:40 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04580 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10218; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015701bee407$392e6b40$3701a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: Cc: References: <008e01bee41c$add22440$f8f1fea9@lenzy> Subject: Re: Slightly used, already modded F4 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:38:48 -0400 Organization: RCN Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0154_01BEE3E5.B1BF9010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01BEE3E5.B1BF9010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard these Carbon Fiber pipes from Two Brother's are loud as nuts. = Does anyone have any personal experience with them? How do they sound? = I don't want an "annoying" loud bike. That wouldn't be good in my = apartment complex. Thanks for the help... Kirt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lenzy Echols=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Slightly used, already modded F4 Sounds like a goo deal Kirt -- Where do you have to fly to ?=20 If you don't buy I might ........ =20 Lenzy=20 94 F2 -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Senser To: cbr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:37 AM Subject: Slightly used, already modded F4 Well, sometimes I get lucky. A few people have been inquiring as to = how my recovery is coming along. Everything is doing great, and thanks = for asking. As far as a new bike for me is concerned, I've found an = incredible deal. I'll have fly there and pic it up, and drive it 8 = hours back, but that's no biggy... 1999 CBR 600F4 Two Brothers Full Carbon Fiber Exhaust (both high pipe and low pipe, = and still has stock system) Dynojet jet kit BMC air filter 15 tooth front sprocket (still has stock sprocket) flush mount rear turn signals w/nicely cut rear fender never been dropped or scratched runs-looks-sounds great need to sell $6800 OBO=20 KILLER DEAL... and it's even in Yellow/Black like I want... :-) =20 Kirt No Damn CBR Annandale, Va =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01BEE3E5.B1BF9010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've heard these Carbon Fiber pipes = from Two=20 Brother's are loud as nuts.  Does anyone have any personal = experience with=20 them?  How do they sound?  I don't want an "annoying" loud = bike. =20 That wouldn't be good in my apartment complex.  Thanks for the=20 help...
 
Kirt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lenzy=20 Echols
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, = 1999 1:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: Slightly used, = already=20 modded F4

Sounds like a goo deal Kirt -- = Where do you=20 have to fly to ?
If you don't = buy I might=20 ........
 
Lenzy
94 F2
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Kirt Senser <ksenser@XXXXXX>
To: = cbr@XXXXXX <cbr@XXXXXX>
Cc: = dc-cycles@XXXXXX = <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>Date:=20 Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:37 AM
Subject: Slightly = used,=20 already modded F4

Well, sometimes I get lucky.  = A few people=20 have been inquiring as to how my recovery is coming along.  = Everything=20 is doing great, and thanks for asking.  As far as a new bike = for me is=20 concerned, I've found an incredible deal.  I'll have fly there = and pic=20 it up, and drive it 8 hours back, but that's no = biggy...
 
1999 CBR 600F4
Two Brothers Full Carbon Fiber = Exhaust (both=20 high pipe and low pipe, and still has stock system)
Dynojet jet kit
BMC air filter
15 tooth front sprocket (still has = stock=20 sprocket)
 flush mount rear turn signals = w/nicely=20 cut rear fender
 never been dropped or=20 scratched
 runs-looks-sounds = great
 need to sell
 $6800 = OBO 
KILLER DEAL...  and it's even = in=20 Yellow/Black like I want...  :-)
 
Kirt
No Damn CBR
Annandale, Va
 
------=_NextPart_000_0154_01BEE3E5.B1BF9010-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 10:44:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04891 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 17:42:27 UT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:42 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: CBR F2 For Sale Message-ID: <19990811104449802-3dd55c4@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi gang! I'm posting this for fellow lister Lenzy Echols (lurk mode). E-mail him, not me, for details, interests, haggling, etc., at lenzy@XXXXXX. The bike is located in Virginia Beach. '94 CBR600 F2 Wht/Rd/Blk color scheme, meticulously maintained, fully adjustable suspension, D207s, DynoJet Stage 2, Mike Velasco "Freddie Spencer" stainless header and pipe with carbon fiber, 15t sprocket up front, 45t rear (if I remember correctly), rear fender tuck with trunk, new voltage regulator, Lockhart windscreen (Red color matched), carbon look accents, 30k careful miles. $4500/obo I have seen and ridden this bike (well of course... he is my best friend) and it is about the fasted and nicest handling F2 that I have ever thrown a leg over. It still rides like a brand new bike and puts a smile on my face every time I ride it! Definitely a sweet bike. If I wasn't buying the new Firebird Formula it would be in my driveway! If you know of anyone interested let'em know! Later, Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 10:46:15 1999 Return-Path: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Received: from alcsnmx1.nextel.com (unknown-197-226.nextel.com [167.20.197.226]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04980 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlntgw01.nextel.com (ATLNTGW01.nextel.com [168.73.94.142]) by alcsnmx1.nextel.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25225 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ATLNTGW01.nextel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:46:04 -0400 Message-ID: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E1CB2A8@nhqntex01.nextel.com> From: "Rist, Todd" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:54:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have had the misfortune of being broken down on I-495 twice this year and must say that the number of people that stop is miniscule. I was shocked when I was passed by a number of motorcyclists. Some bikers slowed down to offer help and I cheerfully waived them on thankful that they at east showed the common courtesy of offering help to someone in distress. I have always stopped for any biker who is on the side of the road to offer whatever assistance I can unless they are already being helped by someone else or waive me off. I must say, though I have a bad feeling toward BMW riders as I was passed by several when I was broken down and none of them even gave me a second thought. Ironically several jeep drivers offered help (must be riders in their other lives). Thank You, Todd Rist Suzuki RF600 -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 9:06 AM To: Ken Woods; dc-cycles Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides Ken, You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the sacrafice to stop for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your help. Stop for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at least you did your part :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on any of > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but a bike > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop and > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > Speaking of..... > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally fixed > with a rock, and a knife) > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > Very, very, very aggravating. > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > F4 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 11:04:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05297 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04030 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15307 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id KAA13168; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990811110524.00a38c90@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:07:06 -0400 To: dc-Cycles Mailing List , kirt Senser From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Slightly used, already modded F4 In-Reply-To: <015701bee407$392e6b40$3701a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> References: <008e01bee41c$add22440$f8f1fea9@lenzy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_153893734==_.ALT" --=====================_153893734==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've got a two-bros pipe on the SV now... it's LOUD, plain and simple. Sounds really good, but it's no stock exhaust. I take comfort in the fact that there's a nut in my complex with an old suburban with racing stripes and cherry bombs that's gotten me up early more than once. If the neighbors can deal with him, then they can deal with me. At 10:38 AM 8/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >I've heard these Carbon Fiber pipes from Two Brother's are loud as >nuts. Does anyone have any personal experience with them? How do they >sound? I don't want an "annoying" loud bike. That wouldn't be good in my >apartment complex. Thanks for the help... > >Kirt >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Lenzy Echols >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 1:12 PM >>Subject: Re: Slightly used, already modded F4 >> >>Sounds like a goo deal Kirt -- Where do you have to fly to ? >>If you don't buy I might ........ >> >>Lenzy >>94 F2 >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Kirt Senser <ksenser@XXXXXX> >>>To: cbr@XXXXXX >>><cbr@XXXXXX> >>>Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>><dc-cycles@XXXXXX> >>>Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:37 AM >>>Subject: Slightly used, already modded F4 >>> >>>Well, sometimes I get lucky. A few people have been inquiring as to how >>>my recovery is coming along. Everything is doing great, and thanks for >>>asking. As far as a new bike for me is concerned, I've found an >>>incredible deal. I'll have fly there and pic it up, and drive it 8 >>>hours back, but that's no biggy... >>> >>>1999 CBR 600F4 >>>Two Brothers Full Carbon Fiber Exhaust (both high pipe and low pipe, and >>>still has stock system) >>>Dynojet jet kit >>>BMC air filter >>>15 tooth front sprocket (still has stock sprocket) >>> flush mount rear turn signals w/nicely cut rear fender >>> never been dropped or scratched >>> runs-looks-sounds great >>> need to sell >>> $6800 OBO >>>KILLER DEAL... and it's even in Yellow/Black like I want... :-) >>> >>>Kirt >>>No Damn CBR >>>Annandale, Va >>> ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth --=====================_153893734==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I've got a two-bros pipe on the SV now... it's LOUD, plain and simple.  Sounds really good, but it's no stock exhaust.  I take comfort in the fact that there's a nut in my complex with an old suburban with racing stripes and cherry bombs that's gotten me up early more than once.  If the neighbors can deal with him, then they can deal with me.

At 10:38 AM 8/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
I've heard these Carbon Fiber pipes from Two Brother's are loud as nuts.  Does anyone have any personal experience with them?  How do they sound?  I don't want an "annoying" loud bike.  That wouldn't be good in my apartment complex.  Thanks for the help...
 
Kirt
----- Original Message -----
From: Lenzy Echols
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Slightly used, already modded F4

Sounds like a goo deal Kirt -- Where do you have to fly to ?
If you don't buy I might ........
 
Lenzy
94 F2
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirt Senser <ksenser@XXXXXX>
To: cbr@XXXXXX <cbr@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:37 AM
Subject: Slightly used, already modded F4

Well, sometimes I get lucky.  A few people have been inquiring as to how my recovery is coming along.  Everything is doing great, and thanks for asking.  As far as a new bike for me is concerned, I've found an incredible deal.  I'll have fly there and pic it up, and drive it 8 hours back, but that's no biggy...
 
1999 CBR 600F4
Two Brothers Full Carbon Fiber Exhaust (both high pipe and low pipe, and still has stock system)
Dynojet jet kit
BMC air filter
15 tooth front sprocket (still has stock sprocket)
 flush mount rear turn signals w/nicely cut rear fender
 never been dropped or scratched
 runs-looks-sounds great
 need to sell
 $6800 OBO
KILLER DEAL...  and it's even in Yellow/Black like I want...  :-)
 
Kirt
No Damn CBR
Annandale, Va
 


*********************************
Grant M. Heffernan
Field Systems Engineer
The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Reston, VA 20191
ph: (703) 715-8721


--=====================_153893734==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 11:11:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05399 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 18:09:28 UT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:11 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt Message-ID: <19990811111150703-3f61169@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the primary reason to keep right on going... Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of being robbed, injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a terrible way to think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has gone WAAAYYY off it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all of the time to offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family and friends and live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too damn dangerous although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for assistance if the driver looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is something critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something of that nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the second that I'm hanging up the phone. I am generally open to helping the people around me. Unfortunately though, my faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something that happened over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion group but I'm mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rid Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. The more riders the better. I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF MOTORCYCLING! :) --- Todd Peer wrote: > Ken, > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > sacrafice to stop > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > help. Stop > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > least you > did your part :) > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > any of > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but > a bike > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > and > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > Speaking of..... > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > mile > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > fixed > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > -- > > Ken Woods > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > F4 > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 11:13:54 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05506 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.134]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:58:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Rist, Todd" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:00:45 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bee40a$4a0378e0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E1CB2A8@nhqntex01.nextel.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I must say, though I have a bad feeling toward BMW > riders as I was passed by several when I was broken down and none of them > even gave me a second thought. Next you are going to complain that Harley riders don't wave to you... > Ironically several jeep drivers > offered help > (must be riders in their other lives). Speaking from experience, there's a good chance they've been broken down on the side of the road also. Luckily, the pre-fuel injected ones can be fixed with a hammer, some bailing wire, and a few extra quarts of oil. (Did you know that a Jeep can easily go 4 miles without oil and have NO damage to the internals? That was a scary day. And thank those AMC/Willy's engineers for a 7 main bearing engine:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 11:20:32 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05678 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 18:18:32 UT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:19 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "jwhiteside@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: newbie needs a big favor Message-ID: <19990811112050329-3fe4d53@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, Virginia's DMV is extremely efficient even at the high load times of the month. This is in part due to a friend of mine who is friends with the Commissioner of the DMV. Seems that my friend was particularly annoyed with how long and frustrating the dealings with the DMV could be and made a personal complaint to the commissioner.... now we have the system as we know it with ticket numbers that customers take and lots of seating, iow... no real lines to stand in! A true story!! Last time that I was there I needed to renew registration on one car, title and tag another, and apply for a personalized plate on another. Even with it being the beginning of the month (July) and being jam packed, I still managed to make it out of there in about an hour! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor Author: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Date: 08/11/1999 9:42 AM When I moved to Virginia I was absolutely amazed by how efficient they were. It made me think that DC should just contract the whole thing out to VA and save themselves the headache... --- mobacc wrote: > Uh Adam -- > > When I went through that process in DC a couple > of years ago the DMV > required that an appointment for the drivers test be > made. Lead time then > was a month or so. Also I remember having to hammer > through that I wanted a > MOTORCYCLE drivers test. > > The details seemed to weigh in. Not exactly > sure what is meant by "i > need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's > driving course". Another > on a bike accompanying you on your bike? Another in > a car? A truck > carrying your bike? Those folks at the DMV lot > trailer can have their brain > stems ending in the DC Motor Vehicle Code. They've > been known to check all > details of insurance /license/registration for all > drivers concerned in a > situation. If you are not "M"d on your license, > there may be something > about getting a learner's permit after taking a > written test. Other than > that driving an MC in DC (on streets up to the DMV > lot) is not legal. > Trucking a bike at the appointed time might work. > > Of course one might get lucky, and perhaps > you've solved all this. But > maybe these thoughts may save you some headaches. > That ride sounds like > fun. > > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Leaves all paperwork up to Bill > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: adam wenchel > > > ...snip > > i need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's > driving course so > >they will let me take the road test. > > ...snip > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 11:37:37 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06004 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811153711.28338.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:37:11 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DMVs we're known and loved (?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One of the major annoyances at DC DMV was having to stand up for so long... a little physical discomfort can really set people I off. I appreciated being able to sit while waiting in VA. Have you tried the online personalized tag system? It's pretty spiffy. Has the DC inspection system improved in the last year and a half? John, remembering sitting on Half Street in line in the dark an hour before it opened... --- TZell@XXXXXX wrote: > rg> > To: "jwhiteside@XXXXXX" , > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re[2]: newbie needs a big favor > Message-ID: > <19990811112050329-3fe4d53@XXXXXX> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Yes, Virginia's DMV is extremely efficient even at > the high load times of the > month. This is in part due to a friend of mine who > is friends with the > Commissioner of the DMV. Seems that my friend was > particularly annoyed with how > long and frustrating the dealings with the DMV could > be and made a personal > complaint to the commissioner.... now we have the > system as we know it with > ticket numbers that customers take and lots of > seating, iow... no real lines to > stand in! A true story!! > > Last time that I was there I needed to renew > registration on one car, title and > tag another, and apply for a personalized plate on > another. Even with it being > the beginning of the month (July) and being jam > packed, I still managed to make > it out of there in about an hour! > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply > Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor > Author: jwhiteside@XXXXXX > Date: 08/11/1999 9:42 AM > > When I moved to Virginia I was absolutely amazed by > how efficient they were. It made me think that DC > should just contract the whole thing out to VA and > save themselves the headache... > > > --- mobacc wrote: > > Uh Adam -- > > > > When I went through that process in DC a > couple > > of years ago the DMV > > required that an appointment for the drivers test > be > > made. Lead time then > > was a month or so. Also I remember having to > hammer > > through that I wanted a > > MOTORCYCLE drivers test. > > > > The details seemed to weigh in. Not exactly > > sure what is meant by "i > > need someone to ride down with me to the DC DMV's > > driving course". Another > > on a bike accompanying you on your bike? Another > in > > a car? A truck > > carrying your bike? Those folks at the DMV lot > > trailer can have their brain > > stems ending in the DC Motor Vehicle Code. > They've > > been known to check all > > details of insurance /license/registration for all > > drivers concerned in a > > situation. If you are not "M"d on your license, > > there may be something > > about getting a learner's permit after taking a > > written test. Other than > > that driving an MC in DC (on streets up to the DMV > > lot) is not legal. > > Trucking a bike at the appointed time might work. > > > > Of course one might get lucky, and perhaps > > you've solved all this. But > > maybe these thoughts may save you some headaches. > > That ride sounds like > > fun. > > > > > > Bill S. / DC > > 99 VN750 --> Leaves all paperwork up to Bill > > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: adam wenchel > > > > > > ...snip > > > > i need someone to ride down with me to the DC > DMV's > > driving course so > > >they will let me take the road test. > > > > ...snip > > > > > > > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 12:08:04 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06533 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA08461 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:08:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199908111608.MAA08461@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:08:36 -0400 Subject: Non-Moto: Greyhounds Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Okay, well, I can make it moto related... some of you all have been to my house for the start of a motorcycle ride and have met my two wonderful greyhounds, Daisy & Vicky. There! :-) If you have ever considered owning one of these great dogs, or know someone who is looking for one.. let me know. Daisy's breeder contacted me for some assistance in finding three retired greyhounds homes. They are male littermates, less than 3 years old, and will have all medical work (including neutering) done before placement. There would be no cost for the dog itself (vs $150-$200 through a rescue group), but you would have to figure out how to get the dog from New York (Long Island to be specific). Sorry for the wasted bandwith.. but a lot of you have met my dogs! And greyhounds just love motorcycles.. yeah, that's it! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 12:13:19 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06645 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA19185; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:11:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:11:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides In-Reply-To: <19990811105657.29929.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone else familiar with the convention that a helmet on the ground is a request for help; on the bike means no problem? This can be seen farther than the direction of a thumb and allows you to work on the bike at the same time. --garcia On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > Speaking of..... > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally fixed > > with a rock, and a knife) Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > Ken, did you give any kind of signal that you needed help? When I passed a > bike broken down on 495 last week, the driver just was just standing around. I > wasn't sure if he was waiting for someone to catch up or if something was > wrong. Something felt off though, so I turned around and it turned out he > needed help. > > Other times when I saw a motorcycle on the side of the road and started to slow > down, I've had people give me "thumbs up" showing me they were okay and so just > continued on. If I ever do get stuck and have to pull off, I would imagine I > would give a "thumbs down" and hope for some help. Wheter or not I get any > remains to be seen. > > Louis > > === > Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA > 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 > "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton > http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 12:14:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06658 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGB00IYH66Z86@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:09:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA20301; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:07:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990811160819.KZTT32221@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:08:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:06:14 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt In-reply-to: <19990811111150703-3f61169@fanniemaefoundation.org> To: Tom Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001701bee413$700722e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may just get me robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk in addition to riding a motorcycle. I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There have been times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have stopped. Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel like you do. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > primary reason to > keep right on going... > > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > being robbed, > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > terrible way to > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > gone WAAAYYY off > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > of the time to > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > and friends and > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > damn dangerous > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > assistance if the driver > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is something > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something of that > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > second that I'm > hanging up the phone. > > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > Unfortunately though, my > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > that happened > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > group but I'm > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rid > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. > The more riders the better. > > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > Ken, > > > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > sacrafice to stop > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > > help. Stop > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > least you > > did your part :) > > > > Todd > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > > any of > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but > > a bike > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > > and > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > > > Speaking of..... > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > > mile > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > > fixed > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Woods > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > F4 > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 12:21:57 1999 Return-Path: lenzy@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06851 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lenzy (user-2ivev2h.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.124.81]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15034 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ce01bee42e$33816860$f8f1fea9@lenzy> Reply-To: "Lenzy Echols" From: "Lenzy Echols" To: Subject: Re: CBR F2 For Sale Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:17:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Thanks for the post Tom - The bike can be seen online at www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/2651 In addition I have added a Carbon Fiber gauge panel cover as well as Carbon Fiber bar ends. Barnett Clutch and most recent a Diamond Blue O-Ring Chain. Bike can be delivered upon request if needed to the right buyer of course. Send email if any questions need answered....If for some reason you cannot view the web page let me know and I will send a jpg to you directly. Lenzy "94 F2" va beach -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 7:57 AM Subject: CBR F2 For Sale >Hi gang! > >I'm posting this for fellow lister Lenzy Echols (lurk mode). E-mail him, not >me, for details, interests, haggling, etc., at lenzy@XXXXXX. The bike >is located in Virginia Beach. > >'94 CBR600 F2 > >Wht/Rd/Blk color scheme, meticulously maintained, fully adjustable suspension, >D207s, DynoJet Stage 2, Mike Velasco "Freddie Spencer" stainless header and pipe >with carbon fiber, 15t sprocket up front, 45t rear (if I remember correctly), >rear fender tuck with trunk, new voltage regulator, Lockhart windscreen (Red >color matched), carbon look accents, 30k careful miles. $4500/obo > >I have seen and ridden this bike (well of course... he is my best friend) and it >is about the fasted and nicest handling F2 that I have ever thrown a leg over. >It still rides like a brand new bike and puts a smile on my face every time I >ride it! Definitely a sweet bike. If I wasn't buying the new Firebird Formula >it would be in my driveway! > >If you know of anyone interested let'em know! > >Later, >Tom >'86 VFR750 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 12:33:34 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07118 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811163142.1841.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:31:42 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders To: George Howell , "Rist, Todd" , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Howell wrote: > > I must say, though I have a bad feeling toward > > BMW riders as I was passed by several when I was > > broken down and none of them even gave me a second > > thought. Hmmm....we had assistance from 2 BMW riders when Mike B. had a little 'incident' in NC last year. I'd think one would get help from a Beemer owner before help from your average squid rocketboy. > Next you are going to complain that Harley riders > don't wave to you... And $5 says that next George is going to go WAY off topic. > > Ironically several jeep drivers > > offered help > > (must be riders in their other lives). > > Speaking from experience, there's a good chance > they've been broken down on > the side of the road also. Luckily, the pre-fuel > injected ones can be fixed > with a hammer, some bailing wire, and a few extra > quarts of oil. (Did you > know that a Jeep can easily go 4 miles without oil > and have NO damage to the > internals? That was a scary day. And thank those > AMC/Willy's engineers for a > 7 main bearing engine:) DING!!!! Pay the man! Couldn't resist. -- tg > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car > windows" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 12:57:40 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07612 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Wed, 11 Aug 99 16:26:42 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa003lB; Wed, 11 Aug 99 16:26:01 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Endurance pictures? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:25:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Just wondering if anyone has pictures from the WERA endurance.. I'm looking for some of myself.. bike 503, yellow F2 (F3 bodywork) with black stripes... I had a white helmet, white/grey/red/black leathers (black shoulders, the rest of the top was mostly white).... If they're scanned, send em my way anytime.. if they aren't, let me know if I can borrow the negatives (I'll scan them)... thanks, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 13:24:30 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08080 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Wed, 11 Aug 99 17:16:15 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa006Oz; Wed, 11 Aug 99 17:16:08 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:16:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:16:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) When my stator burned out last summer up on the NJ turnpike... for the next 28 hours as I sat waiting for my ride (yes, on the side of the road) - not a single motorcycle stopped... the only cars that stopped were doing so for their own reasons, and only 1 or 2 inquired if I needed help. I happened to be fortunate enough to have a phone handy... AMA was absolutly NO help, nor was HRC or HSTA (I'll give them all a break, it was a holiday weekend).... Basically, the only assistance I received was from Collin Fagan, as he drove from Tysons to within 30 miles of NYC to pick me up... Talk about speaking Highly for fellow riders out on the road... sheesh. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 14:00:24 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08802 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA01723; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:58:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Garcia Oliver cc: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Evidently, the 5 guys that passed me on bikes are not familiar with it. To answer asked questions: 1. No, I wasn't jumping up and down signaling for help. I was working on the bike. 2. It was there from (around).....6:15-7:15ish??? 3. Kill switch went bonkers. Bike was stolen (and recovered) two weeks ago, and has been somewhat screwy since. (see next message for more help with that...) On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > Anyone else familiar with the convention that a helmet on the ground is a > request for help; on the bike means no problem? This can be seen farther > than the direction of a thumb and allows you to work on the bike at the > same time. > > --garcia > > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 mile > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally fixed -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 14:08:27 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08903 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id ABF9BDA027C; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:07:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990811134725.00d969e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:49:12 -0400 To: Stephen Harris , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: long Iron Butt rides In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990810162724.008df8f0@mail.his.com> References: <19990810110833.19729.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:27 PM 8/10/99 , Stephen Harris wrote: > You would have ~average~ 83.4 mph for 24 hours to rack up over > 2000 miles. > This includes fuel, head, food stops. We did a 24 hour race at Nelson >Ledges in 1993. We had quickfill fuel dump cans, quick release wheel >changing fittings, and six go like nuts racers. We ~barley~ managed to get >that kind of milage, and Nelson is a fairly high speed track with average >speeds over 90. > > Anybody who sez they did more than 2k miles in 24hrs on public > roads I >would suspect as having made their claim based on a odometer or tripmeter >reading. Agreed, however ... There's an IronButt rider named Crazy Mikey who I think really did this, out in Nevada of course. He really is crazy, I think he's serving 2 years now for assault. But maybe not. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 14:19:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09115 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AEB22F026A; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:19:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990811142030.00da2340@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:20:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: AMA and Senator "Killer" Koella Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Okay folks, the AMA has done what a lot of folks have said they'd pay to do. Time to ante up! Chris Norloff >"You're driving along U.S. Route 321 in Tennessee, and you see a >billboard designating it the "Terry Barnard Memorial Highway." >What's it mean? You'll find the answer here. > >Those billboards, erected by the American Motorcyclist Association >(AMA), are a response to the decision by state legislators in >Tennessee to name a nearby stretch of Interstate 140 after the late >Sen. Carl Koella. Koella may have served the state well for many > years, but in 1996 he was involved in a hit-and-run accident that > resulted in the death of motorcyclist Terry Barnard." > > >GO TO http://www.ama-cycle.org/terrybarnard/index.html > >to read the rest of the story. The AMA will keep the billboard up as >long as they can get funding. Personally I believe it is worth the >money. > >Tom From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 14:22:25 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09207 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:20:56 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:20:17 -0400 Message-Id: <37B1BF6C.181193E8@trw.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:23:03 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last April, I happened upon a fellow rider whose early-80's Nighthawk had cut out on him mere seconds before I pulled up to the intersection. He was heading toward Reston on the parkway and I was coming off of Lawyers Road, heading home from work in my truck. I noticed him looking down at his bike with a sort of helpless expression, so I figured the bike was not running. I went through the intersection, then turned around and pulled over to assist him. I happened to have my ramp and tie-downs in the back of the truck, so it was no sweat to get the bike up in there and over to Cyclesport in Herndon. I then drove him a mile or so to his house. I would just like to say that I am a true hero. Thank you. -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG voice (703) 648-0122 fax (703) 648-2448 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 14:45:04 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com (e2.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09757 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:45:03 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA233358; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:38 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id OAA75780; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:10 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567CA.0066C26B ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:24 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: randy.moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567CA.0066C1A8.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Randy wrote in part: >>I then drove him a mile >>or so to his house. >>I would just like to say that I am a true hero. Thank you. And so humble too!!! ;-) Thanks for the laugh Randy!!!! Regards, Tom Knapik '83 CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 14:57:57 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09994 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811185616.28101.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:56:16 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt To: Todd Peer , Tom Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree.. If you want the world to be a better place, you've got to pitch in. Take the first step.. start the process.. what's that saying about "if not me, then who?" I too am a bit.. uhm... cynical, we all know these things happen, like columbine, mark barton, that russian guy who killed cosby's son, we all know these incidents happen. Are these things possible? yes.. are they probable? no. Have you ever heard of someone setting up a 'broken down motorist' trap on the beltway/parkwway? I haven't. it's more likely a predator happens upon a person broken down, or tricks them into thinking something is wrong with their car.. then does something.. not wait for someone. Hey I don't mind if you (tom) tell me the story of what happened this weekend.. especially if it's local.. As far as the odds go, i'd be willing to bet you're atleast 40 times more likely to have a motorcycle accident and get hurt than have a broken down motorist sicko trap. Most murder victims are killed by poeple they know. i'm not saying we should always stop.. but I am saying we shouldn't always keep on going. btw I heard R1 motorcycles were being 'bike jacked' at gun point on branch avenue. Guys in a van hop out and bike jack the person, always R1's though. I think i read it on dcsportbikes yahoo page. --- Todd Peer wrote: > Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may > just get me > robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated > risk in > addition to riding a motorcycle. > > I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust > my > perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There > have been > times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have > stopped. > Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people > feel like > you do. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > > > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > > primary reason to > > keep right on going... > > > > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > > being robbed, > > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > > terrible way to > > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > > gone WAAAYYY off > > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > > of the time to > > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > > and friends and > > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > > damn dangerous > > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > > > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > > assistance if the driver > > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is > something > > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or > something of that > > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > > second that I'm > > hanging up the phone. > > > > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > > Unfortunately though, my > > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > > that happened > > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > > group but I'm > > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron > Butt rid > > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > > > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect > motorcyclists > > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a > bike. > > The more riders the better. > > > > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > > sacrafice to stop > > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need > your > > > help. Stop > > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > > least you > > > did your part :) > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike > on > > > any of > > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, > but > > > a bike > > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to > stop > > > and > > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > > > > > Speaking of..... > > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about > 1/2 > > > mile > > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I > literally > > > fixed > > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ken Woods > > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > F4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 15:06:35 1999 Return-Path: adam@XXXXXX Received: from spike.globalinfotek.com (asbestos.globalinfotek.com [216.181.7.254] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10228 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by spike.globalinfotek.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA20462; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:10:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:10:35 -0400 (EDT) From: adam wenchel X-Sender: adam@XXXXXX Reply-To: adam wenchel To: Erik Schelzig cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eric- thanks for the info... when i got my permit i was told that i needed to have another licensed driver riding near me, but i just called the testing center and they said i could come by myself... these are the joys of dealing with the DC government. Many thanks to the people who responded to my post, it was really cool that you guys were so willing to help me out! adam On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Erik Schelzig wrote: > My understanding is that DC DMV will give you a "learners permit" if you > complete the written segment of the examination. This will enable you to > ride motorcycles during daylight hours. Your post indicates that you > already know how to ride, so this shouldn't be a problem. Then head on > back during the daylight (when else would DMV be open) and take your road > test. It is a pain in the ass to go to DC DMV twice, but unless someone > volunteers, it may be your best bet. > > Erik > > PS: 1 hour at DC DMV is a pipe dream. Plan for more. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 15:07:29 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10231 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA03467 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: Insurance work???? WAS:Re: Riders stopping for other riders: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Ken Woods wrote: > 3. Kill switch went bonkers. Bike was stolen (and recovered) two weeks > ago, and has been somewhat screwy since. > (see next message for more help with that...) Story goes like this: I was in San Antonio, TX for a couple weeks. The bike (CBR F4, 5K miles) is chained to the curb, covered, and disc-locked. Theives stole the cover, cut the chain, but couldn't figure out the disk lock. So, they tried to carry the bike away, but were very unsuccessful. The bike ended up in a ditch, about 200 yards from where it was parked. Dropped on the right side. Got police report, call insurance company, etc. Here's what I can see that need fixed: 1. FIX THE &()*&(*&# KILL SWITCH!!!!! 2. New rear tire. No, honestly. It was fine before, but it's got a nail in it now. 3. Front fairing. It's cracked where the turn signal attaches. 4. Right side fairing. Scratched. 5. Right side mirror. Deep scratches. 6. Right side turn signal. Busted, but fixed already. 7. There's something "not right" about it. Don't know what it is, but it may be something as simple as re-aligning the bars to my body. Questions: For this small amount of work, do I even make a claim? $500 deduct Who do I take this to for insurance work? I need someplace that I can trust work work with the insurance company (State Farm, BTW) and fix everything, and do it correctly. Is it wrong(ie, illegal) to get the money, and not fix some things, (say like the mirror and turn signal, which aren't that bad...) and take that money and apply it to something else, say like, a slip on?? I'm in Laurel, MD. The bike is very much ridable, and if anybody wants to go ride tonight, I'm up for a cpl hours on the bike.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 15:14:35 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10350 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 22:12:33 UT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:13 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Message-ID: <19990811151452841-4d492e3@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons Permit, I will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least then I will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to protect myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may just get me robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk in addition to riding a motorcycle. I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There have been times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have stopped. Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel like you do. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > primary reason to > keep right on going... > > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > being robbed, > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > terrible way to > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > gone WAAAYYY off > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > of the time to > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > and friends and > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > damn dangerous > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > assistance if the driver > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is something > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something of that > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > second that I'm > hanging up the phone. > > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > Unfortunately though, my > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > that happened > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > group but I'm > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rid > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. > The more riders the better. > > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > Ken, > > > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > sacrafice to stop > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > > help. Stop > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > least you > > did your part :) > > > > Todd > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > > any of > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but > > a bike > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > > and > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > > > Speaking of..... > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > > mile > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > > fixed > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Woods > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > F4 > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 15:23:33 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10534 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07011 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <023f01bee430$000519d0$3701a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: References: <19990811185616.28101.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:30:41 -0400 Organization: RCN Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Washington DC is crazy... "Bike Jacking" what's the URL for the DC-sportbike page again? Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: ITM To: Todd Peer ; Tom Zell ; Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:56 PM Subject: RE: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt > I agree.. If you want the world to be a better place, you've got to > pitch in. Take the first step.. start the process.. what's that > saying about "if not me, then who?" > > I too am a bit.. uhm... cynical, we all know these things happen, > like columbine, mark barton, that russian guy who killed cosby's son, > we all know these incidents happen. Are these things possible? yes.. > are they probable? no. > > Have you ever heard of someone setting up a 'broken down motorist' > trap on the beltway/parkwway? I haven't. it's more likely a > predator happens upon a person broken down, or tricks them > into thinking something is wrong with their car.. then does > something.. not wait for someone. > > Hey I don't mind if you (tom) tell me the story of what happened > this weekend.. especially if it's local.. > > As far as the odds go, i'd be willing to bet you're atleast > 40 times more likely to have a motorcycle accident and get > hurt than have a broken down motorist sicko trap. Most murder > victims are killed by poeple they know. > > i'm not saying we should always stop.. but I am saying we > shouldn't always keep on going. > > btw I heard R1 motorcycles were being 'bike jacked' at gun > point on branch avenue. Guys in a van hop out and bike > jack the person, always R1's though. I think i read it on > dcsportbikes yahoo page. > > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may > > just get me > > robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated > > risk in > > addition to riding a motorcycle. > > > > I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust > > my > > perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There > > have been > > times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have > > stopped. > > Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people > > feel like > > you do. > > > > Todd > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > > > > > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > > > primary reason to > > > keep right on going... > > > > > > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > > > being robbed, > > > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > > > terrible way to > > > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > > > gone WAAAYYY off > > > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > > > of the time to > > > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > > > and friends and > > > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > > > damn dangerous > > > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > > > > > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > > > assistance if the driver > > > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is > > something > > > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or > > something of that > > > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > > > second that I'm > > > hanging up the phone. > > > > > > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > > > Unfortunately though, my > > > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > > > that happened > > > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > > > group but I'm > > > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > > > > > Tom > > > '86 VFR750 > > > > > > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron > > Butt rid > > > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > > > > > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > > > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect > > motorcyclists > > > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a > > bike. > > > The more riders the better. > > > > > > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > > > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > > > > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > > Ken, > > > > > > > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > > > sacrafice to stop > > > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need > > your > > > > help. Stop > > > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > > > least you > > > > did your part :) > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike > > on > > > > any of > > > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, > > but > > > > a bike > > > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to > > stop > > > > and > > > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of..... > > > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about > > 1/2 > > > > mile > > > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I > > literally > > > > fixed > > > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > > > > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ken Woods > > > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > > F4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > === > Daniel Aka ITM > 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 15:45:31 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10980 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:44:29 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:44:20 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:42:59 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: AMA and Senator "Killer" Koella -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Saw this in the new issue of American Motorcyclist. Brilliant! Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 15:45:52 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10982 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:44:37 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:43:58 -0400 Message-Id: <37B1D309.F1792669@trw.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:46:52 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Woods CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Insurance work? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like the cost to replace the fairing pieces alone would justify the insurance claim. Also, it might be a good idea to have someone figure out why it's "just not right." With the labor and parts I figure you'd go over $500. If you know a shop you trust, it might be worth time just to have the piece of mind that everything was straight. The only thing to think about would be whether the claim would lead to an increase in your rates. Since it's not your fault, I figure you should be alright there, but those insurance people are all out to get us so I could be very wrong about that. Good luck and keep us posted. Ken Woods wrote: > Story goes like this: > > I was in San Antonio, TX for a couple weeks. > The bike (CBR F4, 5K miles) is chained to the curb, covered, and > disc-locked. Theives stole the cover, cut the chain, but couldn't figure > out the disk lock. So, they tried to carry the bike away, but were very > unsuccessful. > > The bike ended up in a ditch, about 200 yards from where it was parked. > Dropped on the right side. Got police report, call insurance company, > etc. > > Here's what I can see that need fixed: > 1. FIX THE &()*&(*&# KILL SWITCH!!!!! > 2. New rear tire. No, honestly. It was fine before, but it's got a nail > in it now. > 3. Front fairing. It's cracked where the turn signal attaches. > 4. Right side fairing. Scratched. > 5. Right side mirror. Deep scratches. > 6. Right side turn signal. Busted, but fixed already. > 7. There's something "not right" about it. Don't know what it is, but it > may be something as simple as re-aligning the bars to my body. > > Questions: > > For this small amount of work, do I even make a claim? > $500 deduct > > Who do I take this to for insurance work? > I need someplace that I can trust work work with the insurance company > (State Farm, BTW) and fix everything, and do it correctly. > > Is it wrong(ie, illegal) to get the money, and not fix some things, (say > like the mirror and turn signal, which aren't that bad...) and take that > money and apply it to something else, say like, a slip on?? > > I'm in Laurel, MD. The bike is very much ridable, and if anybody wants to > go ride tonight, I'm up for a cpl hours on the bike... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 15:59:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11201 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 22:57:26 UT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:58 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Was: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto Message-ID: <19990811155950820-4fdbdde@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, we tried to pitch in and help the people around us and in the proces= s almost managed to get myself, my wife Jeannette, and good friend Brian McCo= y seriously hurt or God knows what else. This is the story... it's not really about helping others but rather about helping ourselves. The three of us along with my family which included my mother, sister, fianc=E9, her son, his daughter, my brother who is disabled= , and his two friends of which also are disabled took a trip to Kings Dominion on Saturday. =20 Well, towards the end of the evening we decided that hitting the World famo= us Volcano roller coaster would be the perfect end to a pretty decent day. Wh= ile in line for the ride a couple of gang-banger types tried cutting way up to = the front of the line. Now imagine this... here are two these guys... cutting = in front of all these people who have been waiting for a VERY long time to get= a chance to ride the roller coaster and no one is doing a thing about it! So= they cut in front us and Jeannette immediately cuts back in front of them and th= ey didn't even question it! Why? Because they're punk freakin' assholes that can't do a thing to anyone unless they're in groups that's why! =20 Now the interesting part... we're in line for let's say a good hour, maybe = an hour and a half at this point. These guys are calling up their friends fro= m the platform below and they'd just keep on coming. At this point they've proba= bly got a good 15 men and a few girls. Next thing we know one guy is pushing h= is way past Brian (shoving his way) and Brian grabs his arm and says, "Uh uh, = no way." Next thing this guy is yelling at Brian asking him if he was "fuckin= g crazy" of which Brian replied with a, "Are you?" (Brian's a pretty big guy)= ... now this guy is going on... I've already sprung into action as well at this point to either block Brian from being hit or spit at (which the guy was preparing to do both) and then next thing we know the guy was being pulled = away by his buddy. We did manage to get a couple of cheers from the background = but other than that nothing else. No help or anything. Now... we finally get on the ride which by the way was the coolest thing (outside of the Flight of Fear) that I have ever done at KD. Highly recommended. We get off the ride and we're now all waiting for my brother = and one of his friends to come off of the ride and while we're waiting the enti= re group is massing together. A good 12 men at least plus some stragglers tha= t I noticed kinda hiding out. At this point Jeannette notices what's going on = and decides that we should move as the whole time they were walking around behi= nd us making gestures to one another. When we started to leave, they began to fo= llow us shouting, "Don't run away now... y'all got shit to face!" We went as qu= ickly as we could to the nearest game tent to try and get security. Well, after = 15 minutes of trying to tell the girl (who thought we were being paranoid and didn't notice them all hiding around the corner from us) that we were in trouble. Security finally showed up, knew who the individuals were, and he= aded over to disband them and get them moved out (it was closing time which made= it all worse). They told us not to worry about it and if we had a problem try= ing to get out to just stop in a store and call security again. =20 Now, to make things worse we had to leave the park, go and get Hera from th= e Kennel there, then proceed to walk about a half mile in open territory to t= he car while the whole time worrying about whether or not one of these punks w= as going to come after us and start shooting. I also had to make sure that my mother, my brother, and his friends were able to get out safely as they wer= e all seen with us during the incident. Then we couldn't even stop to get someth= ing to drink and use the restrooms until we were safe enough away from the area (they all claimed to be from the Hampton Roads area when I heard them talki= ng... they would have been traveling south... we went north). I have been in some really bad situations before and I have run with some p= retty rough people in my life but this was the first time that I was ever truly i= n fear for my own life and I was not being paranoid. When you think of the C= rips and Bloods, this is what we had to deal with... the real thing. And what m= ade everything worse and what makes me "cynical" is the fact that not one perso= n that we tried to help in that line made one attempt to help us. Not one. Anyway... now you all know. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08/11/1999 2:56 PM I agree.. If you want the world to be a better place, you've got to pitch in. Take the first step.. start the process.. what's that saying about "if not me, then who?" I too am a bit.. uhm... cynical, we all know these things happen, like columbine, mark barton, that russian guy who killed cosby's son, we all know these incidents happen. Are these things possible? yes.. are they probable? no. Have you ever heard of someone setting up a 'broken down motorist' trap on the beltway/parkwway? I haven't. it's more likely a predator happens upon a person broken down, or tricks them into thinking something is wrong with their car.. then does something.. not wait for someone. Hey I don't mind if you (tom) tell me the story of what happened this weekend.. especially if it's local.. As far as the odds go, i'd be willing to bet you're atleast 40 times more likely to have a motorcycle accident and get hurt than have a broken down motorist sicko trap. Most murder victims are killed by poeple they know. i'm not saying we should always stop.. but I am saying we shouldn't always keep on going. btw I heard R1 motorcycles were being 'bike jacked' at gun point on branch avenue. Guys in a van hop out and bike jack the person, always R1's though. I think i read it on dcsportbikes yahoo page. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:07:10 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11367 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA04530; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:06:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Randy Moran cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Insurance work? In-Reply-To: <37B1D309.F1792669@trw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Randy Moran wrote: > Seems like the cost to replace the fairing pieces alone would justify > the insurance claim. Also, it might be a good idea to have someone > figure out why it's "just not right." The more and more I think about it, that's the conclusion that I'm coming to. > If you know a shop you trust, it might be worth time just to have the That's the thing.....I don't know of any shops. I'm in Laurel, so the obvious choice is Heyser (sp?), but I've been there twice, and both times, I've felt that I wasn't important to them. Maybe things would be different with the promise of an insureance check........ > piece of mind that everything was straight. The only thing to think about > would be whether the claim would lead to an increase in your rates. Since I came right out and asked State Farm if it would. They claim that it won't, but I'm not niaeve (again, sp?) to believe that for a second. > Ken Woods wrote: (snip, bike was stolen and recovered) > > For this small amount of work, do I even make a claim? > > $500 deduct > > Who do I take this to for insurance work? -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:09:38 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11377 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA09533; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:09:18 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001099; Wed, 11 Aug 99 15:54:02 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGB005VHGQ0WY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CA.006D2908 ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:52:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:38:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Insurance work???? WAS:Re: Riders stopping for other riders: To: Ken Woods Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CA.006BFA58.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL First of all, that sounds like $1000++ worth of parts, if the CBR is anything like the VFR. So make an insurance claim. Its not an accident, so your rates should not increase (although if you have numerous comprehensive claims they do get suspicious. It in NOT illegal to take the money yourself. However, do get an estimate from a shop for parts+labor (your are entitled to have a shop replace the plastic). Take the money, then have the shop fix ONLY the items you can't (sounds like kill switch and rear tire mounting). Then buy the plastic pieces from a discount place (Honda of Milpitas is good, www.hondamil.com) and install them yourslef. You will save about 20% over dealer cost for the plastic and 100% of the labor for installing the plastic (easy!). I bet you have plenty left to cover the deductible and then some. Been there many times! Mark To: dc-cycles cc: From: Ken Woods Date: 08/11/99 07:07:28 PM GMT Subject: Insurance work???? WAS:Re: Riders stopping for other riders: On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Ken Woods wrote: > 3. Kill switch went bonkers. Bike was stolen (and recovered) two weeks > ago, and has been somewhat screwy since. > (see next message for more help with that...) Story goes like this: I was in San Antonio, TX for a couple weeks. The bike (CBR F4, 5K miles) is chained to the curb, covered, and disc-locked. Theives stole the cover, cut the chain, but couldn't figure out the disk lock. So, they tried to carry the bike away, but were very unsuccessful. The bike ended up in a ditch, about 200 yards from where it was parked. Dropped on the right side. Got police report, call insurance company, etc. Here's what I can see that need fixed: 1. FIX THE &()*&(*&# KILL SWITCH!!!!! 2. New rear tire. No, honestly. It was fine before, but it's got a nail in it now. 3. Front fairing. It's cracked where the turn signal attaches. 4. Right side fairing. Scratched. 5. Right side mirror. Deep scratches. 6. Right side turn signal. Busted, but fixed already. 7. There's something "not right" about it. Don't know what it is, but it may be something as simple as re-aligning the bars to my body. Questions: For this small amount of work, do I even make a claim? $500 deduct Who do I take this to for insurance work? I need someplace that I can trust work work with the insurance company (State Farm, BTW) and fix everything, and do it correctly. Is it wrong(ie, illegal) to get the money, and not fix some things, (say like the mirror and turn signal, which aren't that bad...) and take that money and apply it to something else, say like, a slip on?? I'm in Laurel, MD. The bike is very much ridable, and if anybody wants to go ride tonight, I'm up for a cpl hours on the bike.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:20:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11570 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-121.patriot.net [209.249.180.121]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19320; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: <37B1D9EF.C29AA44D@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:15:44 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Zell CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders References: <19990811151452841-4d492e3@fanniemaefoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard that long term therupy can help cure deep paranoia. I might add that you'll be stuck riding VA roads. Yeppers, your precious CC permit is only good in VA. But hey, if you're hung like Tweety Bird, a big ol' gun is just the thang to have :-) Bill stirring up the coals again... Tom Zell wrote: > OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons Permit, I > will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least then I > will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to protect > myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt > Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) > Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM > > Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may just get me > robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk in > addition to riding a motorcycle. > > I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my > perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There have been > times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have stopped. > Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel like > you do. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > > > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > > primary reason to > > keep right on going... > > > > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > > being robbed, > > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > > terrible way to > > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > > gone WAAAYYY off > > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > > of the time to > > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > > and friends and > > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > > damn dangerous > > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > > > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > > assistance if the driver > > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is something > > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something of that > > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > > second that I'm > > hanging up the phone. > > > > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > > Unfortunately though, my > > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > > that happened > > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > > group but I'm > > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rid > > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > > > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists > > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. > > The more riders the better. > > > > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > > sacrafice to stop > > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > > > help. Stop > > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > > least you > > > did your part :) > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > > > any of > > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but > > > a bike > > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > > > and > > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > > > > > Speaking of..... > > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > > > mile > > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > > > fixed > > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ken Woods > > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > F4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:28:29 1999 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11728 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash24 by acs.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05651; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:27:47 -0400 Received: from wash58.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA27955; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:27:41 -0400 Received: by WASH58 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE962EBE35@WASH58> From: Jason Picton To: "'adam wenchel'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: newbie needs a big favor Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:26:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BEE437.BFBC1A24" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BEE437.BFBC1A24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check with the DC Cops first, I wouldn't trust the workers at the DMV. If you get pulled over, the odds are high that the DC Cops are probably going to give you a ticket. Otherwise everyone would ride around with licenses saying they are going to the DMV to take the test. Jason I. Picton j_picton@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: adam wenchel [mailto:adam@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:11 PM To: Erik Schelzig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor Eric- thanks for the info... when i got my permit i was told that i needed to have another licensed driver riding near me, but i just called the testing center and they said i could come by myself... these are the joys of dealing with the DC government. Many thanks to the people who responded to my post, it was really cool that you guys were so willing to help me out! adam On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Erik Schelzig wrote: > My understanding is that DC DMV will give you a "learners permit" if you > complete the written segment of the examination. This will enable you to > ride motorcycles during daylight hours. Your post indicates that you > already know how to ride, so this shouldn't be a problem. Then head on > back during the daylight (when else would DMV be open) and take your road > test. It is a pain in the ass to go to DC DMV twice, but unless someone > volunteers, it may be your best bet. > > Erik > > PS: 1 hour at DC DMV is a pipe dream. Plan for more. > ------_=_NextPart_000_01BEE437.BFBC1A24 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Jason Picton.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jason Picton.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Picton;Jason FN:Jason Picton ORG:;IT EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jip98@XXXXXX REV:19990611T195532Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01BEE437.BFBC1A24-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:28:36 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11731 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA01896 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:28:26 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:28:26 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:28:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons Permit, I >will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least then I >will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to protect >myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. Tom, be sure and laminate it - it's pretty thin card stock and has to last 5 years. Michael J. '93 GSX 1100G '85 PPKS From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:31:53 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11831 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA03001 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:31:50 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:31:50 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:31:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I might add that you'll be stuck riding VA roads. >Yeppers, your precious CC permit is only good in VA. True - but better a weapons charge than an obituary... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:32:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11833 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGB00D6BHLAXG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:15:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA21330; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:16:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990811201506.OWAZ32221@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:15:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:12:59 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders In-reply-to: <19990811151452841-4d492e3@fanniemaefoundation.org> To: Tom Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002001bee435$e893ea00$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Now this I have no argument against. Conceal and carry baby...and justice for all. WooHoo, Guns on DC-Cycles again! WooHoo! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 3:13 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders > > > OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed > Weapons Permit, I > will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At > least then I > will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able > to protect > myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt > Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) > Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM > > Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may > just get me > robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk in > addition to riding a motorcycle. > > I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my > perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There > have been > times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people > have stopped. > Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel like > you do. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > > > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > > primary reason to > > keep right on going... > > > > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > > being robbed, > > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > > terrible way to > > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > > gone WAAAYYY off > > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > > of the time to > > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > > and friends and > > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > > damn dangerous > > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > > > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > > assistance if the driver > > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is > something > > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or > something of that > > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > > second that I'm > > hanging up the phone. > > > > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > > Unfortunately though, my > > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > > that happened > > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > > group but I'm > > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rid > > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > > > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists > > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. > > The more riders the better. > > > > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > > sacrafice to stop > > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > > > help. Stop > > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:38:22 1999 Return-Path: adam@XXXXXX Received: from spike.globalinfotek.com (asbestos.globalinfotek.com [216.181.7.254] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11938 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by spike.globalinfotek.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA20731; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:42:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: adam wenchel X-Sender: adam@XXXXXX To: Jason Picton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: newbie needs a big favor In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE962EBE35@WASH58> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII According to the people i talked to at the DMV, you can ride as much as you want w/ just a permit, but you can't have any passengers. and after waiting on hold for 25 minutes to make an appointment for a road test, i took the first available appointment: October 6... a 2 month wait to take a freakin' road test. so i guess i won't have a license anytime soon. adam On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Jason Picton wrote: > Check with the DC Cops first, I wouldn't trust the workers at the DMV. If > you get pulled over, the odds are high that the DC Cops are probably going > to give you a ticket. Otherwise everyone would ride around with licenses > saying they are going to the DMV to take the test. > > > Jason I. Picton > > j_picton@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:44:55 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12019 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGB00CQII38FC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:25:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA01249; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:21:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990811202555.PAME32221@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:25:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:23:50 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Insurance work???? WAS:Re: Riders stopping for other riders: In-reply-to: To: Ken Woods , dc-cycles Message-id: <002201bee437$6c121090$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Well, Coleman PowerSports is under new management now but recently they had the best reputation for bilking the insurance industry. Give 'em a try. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 3:07 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Insurance work???? WAS:Re: Riders stopping for other riders: > > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Ken Woods wrote: > > 3. Kill switch went bonkers. Bike was stolen (and recovered) two weeks > > ago, and has been somewhat screwy since. > > (see next message for more help with that...) > > Story goes like this: > > I was in San Antonio, TX for a couple weeks. > The bike (CBR F4, 5K miles) is chained to the curb, covered, and > disc-locked. Theives stole the cover, cut the chain, but couldn't figure > out the disk lock. So, they tried to carry the bike away, but were very > unsuccessful. > > The bike ended up in a ditch, about 200 yards from where it was parked. > Dropped on the right side. Got police report, call insurance company, > etc. > > Here's what I can see that need fixed: > 1. FIX THE &()*&(*&# KILL SWITCH!!!!! > 2. New rear tire. No, honestly. It was fine before, but it's got a nail > in it now. > 3. Front fairing. It's cracked where the turn signal attaches. > 4. Right side fairing. Scratched. > 5. Right side mirror. Deep scratches. > 6. Right side turn signal. Busted, but fixed already. > 7. There's something "not right" about it. Don't know what it is, but it > may be something as simple as re-aligning the bars to my body. > > Questions: > > For this small amount of work, do I even make a claim? > $500 deduct > > Who do I take this to for insurance work? > I need someplace that I can trust work work with the insurance company > (State Farm, BTW) and fix everything, and do it correctly. > > Is it wrong(ie, illegal) to get the money, and not fix some things, (say > like the mirror and turn signal, which aren't that bad...) and take that > money and apply it to something else, say like, a slip on?? > > I'm in Laurel, MD. The bike is very much ridable, and if anybody wants to > go ride tonight, I'm up for a cpl hours on the bike.... > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:44:57 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12018 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGB00CQEI37FC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:25:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA14237; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990811202554.PALU32221@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:25:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:23:48 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders In-reply-to: To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <002101bee437$6b733880$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > > > When my stator burned out last summer up on the NJ turnpike... > for the next > 28 hours as I sat waiting for my ride (yes, on the side of the > road) - not a > single motorcycle stopped... 28 hours????!!! It only takes 6 hours to drive up there at most! In 28 hours you could've pushed it to a shop. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:44:59 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12021 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGB00E5UIL28Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:36:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA18241; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:37:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990811203637.PEYI32221@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:36:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:34:31 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto In-reply-to: <19990811155950820-4fdbdde@fanniemaefoundation.org> To: Tom Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002c01bee438$ea807060$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Glad you guys got away (well, maybe not Brian....Just Kidding!). Anyway, conceal and carry...ALL THE TIME! Learn to use it and when. Get Jeannette and your freinds in on it too. I don't think you guys would've been so worried about anything but those punks mothers if you were ready. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > I have been in some really bad situations before and I have run > with some pretty > rough people in my life but this was the first time that I was > ever truly in > fear for my own life and I was not being paranoid. When you > think of the Crips > and Bloods, this is what we had to deal with... the real thing. > And what made > everything worse and what makes me "cynical" is the fact that not > one person > that we tried to help in that line made one attempt to help us. Not one. > > Anyway... now you all know. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:50:27 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12201 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 23:48:28 UT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:48 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders Message-ID: <19990811165052393-52c7523@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now that was a very dickheadish reply to a rather serious post. I don't ride in Maryland but I am aware of the laws in each of the surrounding states. No I cannot carry my weapon concealed into Maryland and I cannot carry at all into DC. I can carry into Maryland my weapon as long as it's not loaded and the projectiles are in a locked environment. If attacked though I can use deadly force and will to protect myself and family/friends. And the "hung life Tweety Bird comment... what the hell kinda jerk are you?? Smiley face or no smiley face... don't be a dick! Do you know me? Have you seen what I've seen? I have no problem beating someone to an inch of their own life if warranted but man... these are freakin' crazy times and there are freakin' crazy people out there. Maybe in your sheltered suburban-ite Virginia world everything is all roses but in the real world of which you know absolutely nothing about things are much different. Maybe one day... however I seriously doubt it now... my gun may be the one to save your pitiful life. And here you are calling me paranoid while some sick bastard just went out and shot-up a children's day camp! Open your eyes you moron! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders Author: bhuson@XXXXXX (Bill Huson) Date: 08/11/1999 4:15 PM I've heard that long term therupy can help cure deep paranoia. I might add that you'll be stuck riding VA roads. Yeppers, your precious CC perm it is only good in VA. But hey, if you're hung like Tweety Bird, a big ol' gun is just the thang to have :-) Bill stirring up the coals again... Tom Zell wrote: > OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons Permit, I > will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least then I > will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to protect > myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt > Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) > Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM > > Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may just get me > robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk in > addition to riding a motorcycle. > > I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my > perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There have been > times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have stopped. > Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel like > you do. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > > > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > > primary reason to > > keep right on going... > > > > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > > being robbed, > > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > > terrible way to > > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > > gone WAAAYYY off > > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > > of the time to > > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > > and friends and > > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > > damn dangerous > > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > > > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > > assistance if the driver > > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is something > > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something of that > > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > > second that I'm > > hanging up the phone. > > > > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > > Unfortunately though, my > > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > > that happened > > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > > group but I'm > > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rid > > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > > > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists > > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. > > The more riders the better. > > > > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > > sacrafice to stop > > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > > > help. Stop > > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > > least you > > > did your part :) > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > > > any of > > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but > > > a bike > > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > > > and > > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > > > > > Speaking of..... > > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > > > mile > > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > > > fixed > > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ken Woods > > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > F4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:50:27 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12198 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 23:48:28 UT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:49 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Jordan; Michael" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Riders stopping for other riders Message-ID: <19990811165052523-52c75a5@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will remember to do so as well as my NRA membership card. :-) Tom ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Author: mike@XXXXXX (Jordan; Michael) Date: 08/11/1999 4:28 PM >OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons Permit, I >will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least then I >will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to protect >myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. Tom, be sure and laminate it - it's pretty thin card stock and has to last 5 years. Michael J. '93 GSX 1100G '85 PPKS From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:56:49 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12248 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id QAA24342 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:56:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Speaking of dcsportbikeriders Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dropped by fastlane today to pick up tires for Collin (Which, didn't happen because Rick wasn't there and his employees wanted $517 for a set of 207gp's, ::sigh::) Happened to notice a cbr900rr parked outside (where they keep the bikes they work on) with a dcsportbike sticker on what was left of the fairing. Whole right side was hosed, clutch cover beveled and cracked, front crank case cover was gone, etc. These guys must spend a fortune putting their bikes back together all the time. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:57:39 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12319 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net (chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.98]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA06238 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhbvv16509; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:56:59 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567CA.00735241 ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:59:36 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Bill Huson cc: Tom Zell , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-ID: <852567CA.00735111.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:55:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, I take personal offense to that, being the wife... I can tell you, Tweety Bird he ain't! : ) - Jeannette (VERY satisfied wife) '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Bill Huson on 08/11/99 04:15:44 PM To: Tom Zell cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders But hey, if you're hung like Tweety Bird, a big ol' gun is just the thang to have :-) Bill stirring up the coals again... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 16:58:38 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net (chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12344 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:58:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhbvv17734; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:58:32 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567CA.0073776F ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:01:12 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Jordan Michael" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567CA.0073763A.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:56:55 -0400 Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Oh so true. I got jumped once crossing the street in DC. Yes, simply crossing the street! First the guy tried to run me over, then he jumped out and attacked me. Luckily I've got a redhead's temper, so he didn't get away unscathed! Hopefully he'll never take on a woman again! LOL Moto related: Great weather the past couple days, eh? : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Jordan Michael" on 08/11/99 04:31:43 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders >I might add that you'll be stuck riding VA roads. >Yeppers, your precious CC permit is only good in VA. True - but better a weapons charge than an obituary... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 17:05:48 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12537 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27562; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:05:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990811170009.0152ad50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:03:58 -0400 To: adam wenchel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: newbie needs a big favor In-Reply-To: References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE962EBE35@WASH58> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:42 PM 8/11/99 , you wrote: >According to the people i talked to at the DMV, you can ride as much as >you want w/ just a permit, but you can't have any passengers. and after >waiting on hold for 25 minutes to make an appointment for a road test, i >took the first available appointment: October 6... a 2 month wait to take >a freakin' road test. so i guess i won't have a license anytime soon. Have someone drive you down to VA. It is my understanding that you do not have to have an M classification on your license to ride. You are required to get one for insurance. Chicken and the egg. I don't know the specific code for either state. It left my mind as soon as I was licensed. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 17:07:03 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12540 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA05663; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Tom Zell cc: "Jordan; Michael" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Riders stopping for other riders In-Reply-To: <19990811165052523-52c75a5@fanniemaefoundation.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII THe NRA membership cards should be credit card type things. Email if yours is not, I've got contacts in the membership division over there. On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > I will remember to do so as well as my NRA membership card. :-) > > Tom > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders > Author: mike@XXXXXX (Jordan; Michael) > Date: 08/11/1999 4:28 PM > > >OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons > Permit, I > >will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least then > I > >will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to protect > >myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. > > Tom, be sure and laminate it - it's pretty thin card stock and has to last 5 > years. > > Michael J. > '93 GSX 1100G > '85 PPKS > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 17:14:28 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12683 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811211123.17526.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:11:23 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: newbie needs a big favor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have you taken an MSF course? Does DC let you skip the road test if you've done it? --- adam wenchel wrote: > According to the people i talked to at the DMV, you > can ride as much as > you want w/ just a permit, but you can't have any > passengers. and after > waiting on hold for 25 minutes to make an > appointment for a road test, i > took the first available appointment: October 6... a > 2 month wait to take > a freakin' road test. so i guess i won't have a > license anytime soon. > > adam > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Jason Picton wrote: > > > Check with the DC Cops first, I wouldn't trust the > workers at the DMV. If > > you get pulled over, the odds are high that the DC > Cops are probably going > > to give you a ticket. Otherwise everyone would > ride around with licenses > > saying they are going to the DMV to take the test. > > > > > > Jason I. Picton > > > > j_picton@XXXXXX > > > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 17:22:18 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12871 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id xATCa20495 (8062); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57fcc362.24e3434c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:21:16 EDT Subject: SV Mods - Twin headlight kit To: granth@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 http://www.motoventure.com/pwrbrzlights.htm >From a site called the 'street fighter garage'. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 17:24:22 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12903 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811212433.6271.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:24:32 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:24:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Zell wrote: > And here you are calling me paranoid while some sick > bastard just went out and > shot-up a children's day camp! Open your eyes you > moron! If only the children had concealed weapons! Look, I'm not going to get into this discussion here -- it's not the place for it, and nothing productive is likely to come out of it -- but having just read a whole string of really self-righteous replies that would fall into what this unrepentant Massachusetts liberal would call the "gun nut" category, I'll just say: self-righteousness has a way of provoking insult, no matter what side of a particular ideological divide it's coming from. So don't get all huffy that someone responded that way. There are motorcyclists on here who, like you, feel very strongly that carrying a gun protects them. There are others, like me, who would prefer the crime rates of say, all of western Europe to those of places where concealed weapons are allowed and more common (like, say, Texas). We're not going to change each other's minds. So if you can restrain yourself from posting messages about the glories of carrying lethal force, I will happily restrain myself from posting messages about the rates of gun death in the US as compared to other western nations, or the rates at which privately owned guns cause accidental deaths of their owners and owners' families versus protecting those people, and so on. Deal? === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 17:25:52 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1104.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.124]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12936 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811212535.24780.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:25:35 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: newbie needs a big favor To: Troutman , adam wenchel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > Have someone drive you down to VA. It is my > understanding that you do not > have to have an M classification on your license to > ride. You are required > to get one for insurance. Chicken and the egg. You do, however, have to live in Virginia. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 17:31:12 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13094 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811213121.2194.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:31:21 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:31:21 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cool :) I need to move to VA :) --- Tom Zell wrote: > OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed > Weapons Permit, I > will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At > least then I > will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to > protect > myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron > Butt > Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) > Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM > > Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may > just get me > robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated > risk in > addition to riding a motorcycle. > > I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust > my > perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There > have been > times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have > stopped. > Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people > feel like > you do. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > > > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > > primary reason to > > keep right on going... > > > > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > > being robbed, > > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > > terrible way to > > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > > gone WAAAYYY off > > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > > of the time to > > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > > and friends and > > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > > damn dangerous > > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > > > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > > assistance if the driver > > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is > something > > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or > something of that > > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > > second that I'm > > hanging up the phone. > > > > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > > Unfortunately though, my > > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > > that happened > > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > > group but I'm > > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron > Butt rid > > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > > > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect > motorcyclists > > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a > bike. > > The more riders the better. > > > > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > > sacrafice to stop > > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need > your > > > help. Stop > > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > > least you > > > did your part :) > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike > on > > > any of > > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, > but > > > a bike > > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to > stop > > > and > > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > > > > > > Speaking of..... > > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about > 1/2 > > > mile > > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I > literally > > > fixed > > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > > > > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > > > > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ken Woods > > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > F4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 18:02:35 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13690 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990811220002.28632.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:00:02 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance work? To: Ken Woods , Randy Moran Cc: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think they will raise your rates.. you might have to remind them later when you go to renew, it's not your fault, as they might not see the details of the claim at the time. Heyser put a more expensive tire on my bike after promising me they'd put on the tire I want. When I went to pick it up, they tried to claim no tire was made for my bike that was any cheaper than what they put on, which I had to tell them I knew for a fact they were wrong. Then they still gave my a shitty attitude. And my whole approach was "I'm not trying to create any problems, but I feel you should have called me before putting this tire on, when it was specifically understood what tire I wanted and promised would recieve." Then they had a few other miscellanious costs which racked up $10 which were "shop costs and insurance fee" wtf, I have to pay insurance for you keeping my bike because YOU HAVE TO keep it? And they acted like I saved $110 because i baught the tires there. "your bill would have been $330 but". Gee thanks guys.. hope to never have to see you again. Since i wanted my bike back after already waiting 3 days (both tires changed, and front brakes, and inspection), I probably didn't even need the front tire, or front brakes, but I wanted the inspection so bad, I let them sell it to me over the phone, thinking it'd only be about $100 more and plus i'd get new parts, so what the heck. I paid for the more expensive tire. Also I had to call them to find out my bike was ready, and had been ready since the morning time, if nto the day before. I don't like their attitude towards the customer there, and hopefully won't have to deal with them again, as there are 2 other shops just as close to me. They're a bunch of idiots if you ask me, content because they're backed up with customers, due to the scareness of local bike shops. Of course crooks are might be just what you want in this situation. I wouldn't expect your bike to be ready too soon though. I'd soon do work myself on the bike than take it back there. --- Ken Woods wrote: > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Randy Moran wrote: > > > Seems like the cost to replace the fairing pieces alone would > justify > > the insurance claim. Also, it might be a good idea to have > someone > > figure out why it's "just not right." > > The more and more I think about it, that's the conclusion that I'm > coming to. > > > If you know a shop you trust, it might be worth time just to have > the > > That's the thing.....I don't know of any shops. > I'm in Laurel, so the obvious choice is Heyser (sp?), but I've been > there > twice, and both times, I've felt that I wasn't important to them. > Maybe things would be different with the promise of an insureance > check........ > > > piece of mind that everything was straight. The only thing to > think about > > would be whether the claim would lead to an increase in your > rates. Since > > I came right out and asked State Farm if it would. They claim that > it > won't, > but I'm not niaeve (again, sp?) to believe that for a second. > > > Ken Woods wrote: > (snip, bike was stolen and recovered) > > > For this small amount of work, do I even make a claim? > > > $500 deduct > > > Who do I take this to for insurance work? > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 18:42:27 1999 Return-Path: lenzy@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14405 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lenzy (user-2ivev2h.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.124.81]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21406 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <017501bee463$5b3ef360$f8f1fea9@lenzy> Reply-To: "Lenzy Echols" From: "Lenzy Echols" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:38:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I agree with Tom 110% - Keep in mind Bill that as Tom said "have you seen what I've seen" It sounds like you have no clue as to what can happen to the innocent one making an honest attempt to help someone that would seem to be in distress. I have had my Concealed Permit for almost 2yrs. I live in a world of reality and that is that anything can happen and you must be as prepared as possible within reason. If that means that I carry a gun and be prepared to shoot another human dead then so be it. I have been shot at and shot back. It is not something I look forward to but I am more prepared then most of the population. The person makes the mistake of an attempt on my life or someone around me (like Tom,Jeanette etc..) I will shoot until they are dead and there will only be one side to the story. MINE..... When you grow up in a neighborhood such as the one Tom and I did you learn to live with the fact that life is not all about peaches and cream.......It is hard and in some cases must be dealt with in a hard manner. Tom is not out looking for a fight nor I am but if it happens we will be in the position hopefully to defend ourselves as needed. As far as the tweety bird comment---A gun is in no way a substitute for manhood. I am sure Tom could get laid any day of the week without a gun. Just ask Jeanette. If you think for minute that is truly a reason for some people to get a weapon then you are the small minded prick we will end up reading about who was taken out due to ignorance. Lenzy 94 F2 From: Tom Zell To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:06 PM Subject: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders >Now that was a very dickheadish reply to a rather serious post. > >I don't ride in Maryland but I am aware of the laws in each of the surrounding >states. No I cannot carry my weapon concealed into Maryland and I cannot carry >at all into DC. I can carry into Maryland my weapon as long as it's not loaded >and the projectiles are in a locked environment. If attacked though I can use >deadly force and will to protect myself and family/friends. > >And the "hung life Tweety Bird comment... what the hell kinda jerk are you?? >Smiley face or no smiley face... don't be a dick! Do you know me? Have you >seen what I've seen? I have no problem beating someone to an inch of their own >life if warranted but man... these are freakin' crazy times and there are >freakin' crazy people out there. Maybe in your sheltered suburban-ite Virginia >world everything is all roses but in the real world of which you know absolutely >nothing about things are much different. > >Maybe one day... however I seriously doubt it now... my gun may be the one to >save your pitiful life. > >And here you are calling me paranoid while some sick bastard just went out and >shot-up a children's day camp! Open your eyes you moron! > >Tom >'86 VFR750 > >____________________Reply Separator____________________ >Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders >Author: bhuson@XXXXXX (Bill Huson) >Date: 08/11/1999 4:15 PM > >I've heard that long term therupy can help cure deep paranoia. > >I might add that you'll be stuck riding VA roads. Yeppers, your precious CC perm >it >is only good in VA. But hey, if you're hung like Tweety Bird, a big ol' gun is >just the thang to have :-) > >Bill >stirring up the coals again... > > >Tom Zell wrote: > >> OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons Permit, I >> will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least then I >> will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to protect >> myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. >> >> Tom >> '86 VFR750 >> >> ____________________Reply Separator____________________ >> Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt >> Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) >> Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM >> >> Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may just get me >> robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk in >> addition to riding a motorcycle. >> >> I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my >> perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There have been >> times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have stopped. >> Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel like >> you do. >> >> Todd >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] >> > >> > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the >> > primary reason to >> > keep right on going... >> > >> > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of >> > being robbed, >> > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a >> > terrible way to >> > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has >> > gone WAAAYYY off >> > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all >> > of the time to >> > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family >> > and friends and >> > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too >> > damn dangerous >> > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. >> > >> > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for >> > assistance if the driver >> > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is something >> > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something of that >> > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the >> > second that I'm >> > hanging up the phone. >> > >> > I am generally open to helping the people around me. >> > Unfortunately though, my >> > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something >> > that happened >> > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion >> > group but I'm >> > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. >> > >> > Tom >> > '86 VFR750 >> > >> > >> > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ >> > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rid >> > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM >> > >> > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for >> > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists >> > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. >> > The more riders the better. >> > >> > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF >> > MOTORCYCLING! :) >> > >> > --- Todd Peer wrote: >> > > Ken, >> > > >> > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the >> > > sacrafice to stop >> > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your >> > > help. Stop >> > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at >> > > least you >> > > did your part :) >> > > >> > > Todd >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: >> > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on >> > > any of >> > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but >> > > a bike >> > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop >> > > and >> > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. >> > > > >> > > > Speaking of..... >> > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 >> > > mile >> > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally >> > > fixed >> > > > with a rock, and a knife) >> > > > >> > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. >> > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. >> > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. >> > > > Very, very, very aggravating. >> > > > >> > > > Oh well, it all turned out. >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Ken Woods >> > > > kwoods@XXXXXX >> > > > F4 >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 19:09:44 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14885 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA12653; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01bee44e$e10c1500$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , References: <19990811212433.6271.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:11:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I would have left the subject alone had it not been for Bill insulting me. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: John Whiteside To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders > --- Tom Zell wrote: > > And here you are calling me paranoid while some sick > > bastard just went out and > > shot-up a children's day camp! Open your eyes you > > moron! > > If only the children had concealed weapons! > > Look, I'm not going to get into this discussion here > -- it's not the place for it, and nothing productive > is likely to come out of it -- but having just read a > whole string of really self-righteous replies that > would fall into what this unrepentant Massachusetts > liberal would call the "gun nut" category, I'll just > say: self-righteousness has a way of provoking insult, > no matter what side of a particular ideological divide > it's coming from. So don't get all huffy that someone > responded that way. > > There are motorcyclists on here who, like you, feel > very strongly that carrying a gun protects them. There > are others, like me, who would prefer the crime rates > of say, all of western Europe to those of places where > concealed weapons are allowed and more common (like, > say, Texas). We're not going to change each other's > minds. So if you can restrain yourself from posting > messages about the glories of carrying lethal force, I > will happily restrain myself from posting messages > about the rates of gun death in the US as compared to > other western nations, or the rates at which privately > owned guns cause accidental deaths of their owners and > owners' families versus protecting those people, and > so on. Deal? > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 19:42:27 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15483 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-122-30.s284.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.122.30]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27787 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: newbie needs a big favor Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:42:22 -0400 Message-ID: <004501bee453$28347ea0$8023accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Wouldn't you be better off trying to get into the MSF class and bypassing the road test? Or doesn't it work that way in the District? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ adam wenchel said: According to the people i talked to at the DMV, you can ride as much as you want w/ just a permit, but you can't have any passengers. and after waiting on hold for 25 minutes to make an appointment for a road test, i took the first available appointment: October 6... a 2 month wait to take a freakin' road test. so i guess i won't have a license anytime soon. adam From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 19:44:45 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15493 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:44:43 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id iXFNa06600 (4214); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:41:59 EDT Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor To: adam@XXXXXX, schelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/11/1999 3:13:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adam@XXXXXX writes: << Many thanks to the people who responded to my post, it was really cool that you guys were so willing to help me out! adam >> You're welcome. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 19:50:31 1999 Return-Path: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15643 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Received: from AntietamMC@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 9HMZa13735 (3933); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55253834.24e365fe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:18 EDT Subject: Invitation: Antietam's 1999 Ridge Run 8/29 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Ad2555md@XXXXXX, geobosch@XXXXXX, toddromx@XXXXXX, JDELAUDER@XXXXXX, ttroxell@XXXXXX, Bosch@XXXXXX, roxydan@XXXXXX, knick@XXXXXX, Bosch92@XXXXXX, JD6201md@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 I'd like to personally invite all of you to participate in our Club's only Road event in 1999. We look forward to seeing many of you that attended our Arch Run last year and believe we have an equally enjoyable ride planned this year. For more information, please click on this link to our web page > 1999 Antietam Ridge Run Thanks and hope to see you on August 29th. -- Jeff From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 19:52:41 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15673 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA07540 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id qXQa013741 (4214); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4cc08cea.24e3664d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:50:37 EDT Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX CC: TZell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/11/1999 5:07:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX writes: << Ok, I take personal offense to that, being the wife... I can tell you, Tweety Bird he ain't! : ) - Jeannette (VERY satisfied wife) >> Sic'em Jeannette. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 19:57:28 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15750 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-8.patriot.net [206.29.51.160]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06545; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: <37B20CE6.8160402E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:53:10 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lenzy Echols CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders - GUNS! References: <017501bee463$5b3ef360$f8f1fea9@lenzy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reckon I yanked the chains that time. heh heh "Have I seen what I've seen?" Well, after five decades of seeing, I've probably seen a lot more. I survived 4 school years in New York with the gangs. Was in a gang in north Jersey. Caught in the midst of a couple riots in DC. Remember DC burning after MLKs assassination? Had to breach the police lines to rescue my bride who was caught in that one. That was interesting. Like John Whiteside, I'll drop this thread now and won't even attempt to bandy about gun facts. But I will say this - I'm not the least ignorant. I'm a Math dude and I play the percentages. BTW - y`all are completely devoid of a sense of humor. Or did Tweety Bird strike a nerve :-) NOTE: The above is a J-O-K-E Bill Lenzy Echols wrote: > I agree with Tom 110% - Keep in mind Bill that as Tom said "have you seen > what I've seen" It sounds like you have no clue as to what can happen to > the innocent one making an honest attempt to help someone that would seem to > be in distress. I have had my Concealed Permit for almost 2yrs. I live in a > world of reality and that is that anything can happen and you must be as > prepared as possible within reason. If that means that I carry a gun and be > prepared to shoot another human dead then so be it. I have been shot at and > shot back. It is not something I look forward to but I am more prepared then > most of the population. The person makes the mistake of an attempt on my > life or someone around me (like Tom,Jeanette etc..) I will shoot until they > are dead and there will only be one side to the story. MINE..... When you > grow up in a neighborhood such as the one Tom and I did you learn to live > with the fact that life is not all about peaches and cream.......It is hard > and in some cases must be dealt with in a hard manner. Tom is not out > looking for a fight nor I am but if it happens we will be in the position > hopefully to defend ourselves as needed. > As far as the tweety bird comment---A gun is in no way a substitute for > manhood. I am sure Tom could get laid any day of the week without a gun. > Just ask Jeanette. If you think for minute that is truly a reason for some > people to get a weapon then you are the small minded prick we will end up > reading about who was taken out due to ignorance. > > Lenzy > 94 F2 > > From: Tom Zell > To: Bill Huson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:06 PM > Subject: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders > > >Now that was a very dickheadish reply to a rather serious post. > > > >I don't ride in Maryland but I am aware of the laws in each of the > surrounding > >states. No I cannot carry my weapon concealed into Maryland and I cannot > carry > >at all into DC. I can carry into Maryland my weapon as long as it's not > loaded > >and the projectiles are in a locked environment. If attacked though I can > use > >deadly force and will to protect myself and family/friends. > > > >And the "hung life Tweety Bird comment... what the hell kinda jerk are > you?? > >Smiley face or no smiley face... don't be a dick! Do you know me? Have > you > >seen what I've seen? I have no problem beating someone to an inch of their > own > >life if warranted but man... these are freakin' crazy times and there are > >freakin' crazy people out there. Maybe in your sheltered suburban-ite > Virginia > >world everything is all roses but in the real world of which you know > absolutely > >nothing about things are much different. > > > >Maybe one day... however I seriously doubt it now... my gun may be the one > to > >save your pitiful life. > > > >And here you are calling me paranoid while some sick bastard just went out > and > >shot-up a children's day camp! Open your eyes you moron! > > > >Tom > >'86 VFR750 > > > >____________________Reply Separator____________________ > >Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders > >Author: bhuson@XXXXXX (Bill Huson) > >Date: 08/11/1999 4:15 PM > > > >I've heard that long term therupy can help cure deep paranoia. > > > >I might add that you'll be stuck riding VA roads. Yeppers, your precious CC > perm > >it > >is only good in VA. But hey, if you're hung like Tweety Bird, a big ol' gun > is > >just the thang to have :-) > > > >Bill > >stirring up the coals again... > > > > > >Tom Zell wrote: > > > >> OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons > Permit, I > >> will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least > then I > >> will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to > protect > >> myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. > >> > >> Tom > >> '86 VFR750 > >> > >> ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > >> Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt > >> Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) > >> Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM > >> > >> Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may just get > me > >> robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk in > >> addition to riding a motorcycle. > >> > >> I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my > >> perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There have > been > >> times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have > stopped. > >> Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel > like > >> you do. > >> > >> Todd > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > >> > > >> > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > >> > primary reason to > >> > keep right on going... > >> > > >> > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > >> > being robbed, > >> > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > >> > terrible way to > >> > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > >> > gone WAAAYYY off > >> > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > >> > of the time to > >> > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > >> > and friends and > >> > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > >> > damn dangerous > >> > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > >> > > >> > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > >> > assistance if the driver > >> > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is > something > >> > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something of > that > >> > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > >> > second that I'm > >> > hanging up the phone. > >> > > >> > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > >> > Unfortunately though, my > >> > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > >> > that happened > >> > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > >> > group but I'm > >> > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > >> > > >> > Tom > >> > '86 VFR750 > >> > > >> > > >> > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > >> > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt > rid > >> > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > >> > > >> > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > >> > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists > >> > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. > >> > The more riders the better. > >> > > >> > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > >> > MOTORCYCLING! :) > >> > > >> > --- Todd Peer wrote: > >> > > Ken, > >> > > > >> > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > >> > > sacrafice to stop > >> > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > >> > > help. Stop > >> > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > >> > > least you > >> > > did your part :) > >> > > > >> > > Todd > >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > >> > > > > >> > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > >> > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > >> > > any of > >> > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but > >> > > a bike > >> > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > >> > > and > >> > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > >> > > > > >> > > > Speaking of..... > >> > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > >> > > mile > >> > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > >> > > fixed > >> > > > with a rock, and a knife) > >> > > > > >> > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > >> > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > >> > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > >> > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > >> > > > > >> > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Ken Woods > >> > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > >> > > > F4 > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 20:07:03 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15918 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-8.patriot.net [206.29.51.160]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA07318; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <37B20F26.4E7BCEA8@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:02:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Tom Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto References: <002c01bee438$ea807060$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really? Let me get this straight - Tom said there were like 15 of them. They were among a crowd. Are you suggesting whipping out a piece to ward them off? In a crowd? You guys need to vent your testostrone on something more fun. like women. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > Glad you guys got away (well, maybe not Brian....Just Kidding!). > > Anyway, conceal and carry...ALL THE TIME! Learn to use it and when. Get > Jeannette and your freinds in on it too. I don't think you guys would've > been so worried about anything but those punks mothers if you were ready. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > > > I have been in some really bad situations before and I have run > > with some pretty > > rough people in my life but this was the first time that I was > > ever truly in > > fear for my own life and I was not being paranoid. When you > > think of the Crips > > and Bloods, this is what we had to deal with... the real thing. > > And what made > > everything worse and what makes me "cynical" is the fact that not > > one person > > that we tried to help in that line made one attempt to help us. Not one. > > > > Anyway... now you all know. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 20:17:46 1999 Return-Path: bee@XXXXXX Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (newmtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.180]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16103 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07867; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:40:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bee@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: Bill Huson cc: Todd Peer , Tom Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto In-Reply-To: <37B20F26.4E7BCEA8@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ENOUGH, please. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 20:20:49 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16183 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-8.patriot.net [206.29.51.160]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08307; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37B21264.7E1A7A3B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:16:37 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders References: <19990811212433.6271.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, sir. I realy should refrain from stirring up flame-fests. heh heh Bill John Whiteside wrote: > --- Tom Zell wrote: > > And here you are calling me paranoid while some sick > > bastard just went out and > > shot-up a children's day camp! Open your eyes you > > moron! > > If only the children had concealed weapons! > > Look, I'm not going to get into this discussion here > -- it's not the place for it, and nothing productive > is likely to come out of it -- but having just read a > whole string of really self-righteous replies that > would fall into what this unrepentant Massachusetts > liberal would call the "gun nut" category, I'll just > say: self-righteousness has a way of provoking insult, > no matter what side of a particular ideological divide > it's coming from. So don't get all huffy that someone > responded that way. > > There are motorcyclists on here who, like you, feel > very strongly that carrying a gun protects them. There > are others, like me, who would prefer the crime rates > of say, all of western Europe to those of places where > concealed weapons are allowed and more common (like, > say, Texas). We're not going to change each other's > minds. So if you can restrain yourself from posting > messages about the glories of carrying lethal force, I > will happily restrain myself from posting messages > about the rates of gun death in the US as compared to > other western nations, or the rates at which privately > owned guns cause accidental deaths of their owners and > owners' families versus protecting those people, and > so on. Deal? > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 20:20:58 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16185 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vMKFa22755 (4012) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <74b304c7.24e36d45@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:20:21 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/11/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Could you please put me back on un-digested mode? Thanks! Rob VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 20:48:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16615 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA07124 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA01474 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vMZPa06614 (3865) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63cf7516.24e373ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:47:42 EDT Subject: Pocono Cycle Fest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Anyone going this year? Im planning on it, maybe just a day or two, maybe all three. The dates are the 27-29. Maybe this year I can have a little better time and stay a little longer ;-). Anyway, the foots heeled up since then and got a bike thats running, so Im trying to ride up there. If anyone wants to go let me know. Sean... 99 GSXR From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 20:49:32 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16640 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user174.anent.com [208.195.115.174]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA03140; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:45:16 -0400 Message-ID: <008101bee45c$9bd05b00$ae73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: GPS Date Rollover Imminent Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:49:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 GPS Date Rollover Imminent Click on our sponsors! Updated 7:05 PM ET August 11, 1999 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government has reminded Americans who use Global Positioning System (GPS) navigational receivers to check that they can cope with an internal date change in the system due later this month. GPS is a satellite-based system run by the Department of Defense that plays an increasingly important role in civilian life, including airline operations, truck fleet tracking, recreational boating and computer maps in cars. "Receivers that are not built to standards could process satellite data incorrectly and display inaccurate information," the Department of Transportation (DOT) said in a statement. The August date rollover for GPS occurs because the system was designed to ignore calendar dates, but keep precise time measured in seconds and weeks. Only 1,024 weeks were allotted from Jan. 6 in 1980 before the system resets to zero. That is due to occur over the weekend of August 21-22. Older GPS receivers could become confused by the reset, giving either wrong times or positions, or no information at all. DOT said it had posted a list of receiver manufactures and contacts on the Internet at www.navcen.uscg.mil/gps/geninfo/y2k/default.htm A boat owners' organization, BOAT/U.S., has advised members that most GPS receivers made after 1994 should be ready for the August rollover. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 21:31:03 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17380 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2LWAa23990 (3987) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:30:17 EDT Subject: name calling/insults To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 It seems to me that we've have gotten WAY WAY WAY off-subject for this MOTORCYCLE list guys. And I believe that no one on the list really needs to or cares to hear comments such as the ones below (I've removed the names of the insulters so as not to insult them). If you MUST go out of your way to stoop to childish name-calling then PLEASE do it off-list. Marcy *flame suit on* << If you think for minute that is truly a reason for some people to get a weapon then you are the small minded prick we will end up reading about who was taken out due to ignorance. >> what the hell kinda jerk are you?? Smiley face or no smiley face... don't be a dick! Do you know me? Have you seen what I've seen? Maybe in your sheltered suburban-ite Virginia world everything is all roses but in the real world of which you know absolutely nothing about things are much different. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 21:34:23 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17390 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2JZPa16280 (3987) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85ecba47.24e37e46@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:32:54 EDT Subject: Re: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/11/99 8:14:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << You guys need to vent your testostrone on something more fun. like women. >> oh dear lord! NO! PLEASE GOD NO! ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 21:44:34 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17585 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2GZCa03769 (8062) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:43:38 EDT Subject: Guns and Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Hmmm.... I wonder if my H & K SP89 will fit in my tank bag with a 30 rnd mag..? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 22:04:59 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17911 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:04:58 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2LELa13735 (8062) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <75aa660b.24e3859d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:04:13 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 John, I believe you just did post a statement regarding firearm related deaths. No specific numbers but you got your point across all the same. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 22:46:47 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18640 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-236.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.236]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03596 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:46:44 -0400 Message-ID: <00ee01bee46c$b99c9440$dea4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: newbie needs a big favor Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:45:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 MSF not PC in DC re RT for M (I think). (As of a couple of years ago the course didn't exempt one from taking the driver's test in DC, as it does in some other jurisdictions.) One other note. Insurance can be a problem in DC for a learner's permit. Several multifaceted pieces to the puzzle in DC. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hmmm. Road Test. Glad only score for drivers, not me. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: John Whiteside To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 5:21 PM Subject: RE: newbie needs a big favor >Have you taken an MSF course? Does DC let you skip the >road test if you've done it? ...snip> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 23:01:38 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18876 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17727; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003701bee46f$47fb31e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Bill Huson" , "Lenzy Echols" Cc: References: <017501bee463$5b3ef360$f8f1fea9@lenzy> <37B20CE6.8160402E@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders - GUNS! Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:03:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Oh, you're old... now I get it. ;-) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Lenzy Echols Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders - GUNS! > Reckon I yanked the chains that time. heh heh > > "Have I seen what I've seen?" Well, after five decades of seeing, I've probably > seen a lot more. I survived 4 school years in New York with the gangs. Was in a > gang in north Jersey. Caught in the midst of a couple riots in DC. Remember DC > burning after MLKs assassination? Had to breach the police lines to rescue my > bride who was caught in that one. That was interesting. > > Like John Whiteside, I'll drop this thread now and won't even attempt to bandy > about gun facts. But I will say this - I'm not the least ignorant. I'm a Math > dude and I play the percentages. > > BTW - y`all are completely devoid of a sense of humor. > > Or did Tweety Bird strike a nerve :-) > > NOTE: The above is a J-O-K-E > > Bill > > > Lenzy Echols wrote: > > > I agree with Tom 110% - Keep in mind Bill that as Tom said "have you seen > > what I've seen" It sounds like you have no clue as to what can happen to > > the innocent one making an honest attempt to help someone that would seem to > > be in distress. I have had my Concealed Permit for almost 2yrs. I live in a > > world of reality and that is that anything can happen and you must be as > > prepared as possible within reason. If that means that I carry a gun and be > > prepared to shoot another human dead then so be it. I have been shot at and > > shot back. It is not something I look forward to but I am more prepared then > > most of the population. The person makes the mistake of an attempt on my > > life or someone around me (like Tom,Jeanette etc..) I will shoot until they > > are dead and there will only be one side to the story. MINE..... When you > > grow up in a neighborhood such as the one Tom and I did you learn to live > > with the fact that life is not all about peaches and cream.......It is hard > > and in some cases must be dealt with in a hard manner. Tom is not out > > looking for a fight nor I am but if it happens we will be in the position > > hopefully to defend ourselves as needed. > > As far as the tweety bird comment---A gun is in no way a substitute for > > manhood. I am sure Tom could get laid any day of the week without a gun. > > Just ask Jeanette. If you think for minute that is truly a reason for some > > people to get a weapon then you are the small minded prick we will end up > > reading about who was taken out due to ignorance. > > > > Lenzy > > 94 F2 > > > > From: Tom Zell > > To: Bill Huson > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:06 PM > > Subject: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders > > > > >Now that was a very dickheadish reply to a rather serious post. > > > > > >I don't ride in Maryland but I am aware of the laws in each of the > > surrounding > > >states. No I cannot carry my weapon concealed into Maryland and I cannot > > carry > > >at all into DC. I can carry into Maryland my weapon as long as it's not > > loaded > > >and the projectiles are in a locked environment. If attacked though I can > > use > > >deadly force and will to protect myself and family/friends. > > > > > >And the "hung life Tweety Bird comment... what the hell kinda jerk are > > you?? > > >Smiley face or no smiley face... don't be a dick! Do you know me? Have > > you > > >seen what I've seen? I have no problem beating someone to an inch of their > > own > > >life if warranted but man... these are freakin' crazy times and there are > > >freakin' crazy people out there. Maybe in your sheltered suburban-ite > > Virginia > > >world everything is all roses but in the real world of which you know > > absolutely > > >nothing about things are much different. > > > > > >Maybe one day... however I seriously doubt it now... my gun may be the one > > to > > >save your pitiful life. > > > > > >And here you are calling me paranoid while some sick bastard just went out > > and > > >shot-up a children's day camp! Open your eyes you moron! > > > > > >Tom > > >'86 VFR750 > > > > > >____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > >Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders > > >Author: bhuson@XXXXXX (Bill Huson) > > >Date: 08/11/1999 4:15 PM > > > > > >I've heard that long term therupy can help cure deep paranoia. > > > > > >I might add that you'll be stuck riding VA roads. Yeppers, your precious CC > > perm > > >it > > >is only good in VA. But hey, if you're hung like Tweety Bird, a big ol' gun > > is > > >just the thang to have :-) > > > > > >Bill > > >stirring up the coals again... > > > > > > > > >Tom Zell wrote: > > > > > >> OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons > > Permit, I > > >> will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least > > then I > > >> will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to > > protect > > >> myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. > > >> > > >> Tom > > >> '86 VFR750 > > >> > > >> ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > >> Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt > > >> Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) > > >> Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM > > >> > > >> Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may just get > > me > > >> robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk in > > >> addition to riding a motorcycle. > > >> > > >> I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my > > >> perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There have > > been > > >> times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have > > stopped. > > >> Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel > > like > > >> you do. > > >> > > >> Todd > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > >> > > > >> > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > > >> > primary reason to > > >> > keep right on going... > > >> > > > >> > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > > >> > being robbed, > > >> > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > > >> > terrible way to > > >> > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > > >> > gone WAAAYYY off > > >> > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > > >> > of the time to > > >> > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > > >> > and friends and > > >> > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > > >> > damn dangerous > > >> > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > >> > > > >> > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > > >> > assistance if the driver > > >> > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is > > something > > >> > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something of > > that > > >> > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > > >> > second that I'm > > >> > hanging up the phone. > > >> > > > >> > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > > >> > Unfortunately though, my > > >> > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > > >> > that happened > > >> > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > > >> > group but I'm > > >> > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > >> > > > >> > Tom > > >> > '86 VFR750 > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > >> > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt > > rid > > >> > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >> > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > >> > > > >> > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > > >> > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect motorcyclists > > >> > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a bike. > > >> > The more riders the better. > > >> > > > >> > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > > >> > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > >> > > > >> > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > >> > > Ken, > > >> > > > > >> > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > >> > > sacrafice to stop > > >> > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > > >> > > help. Stop > > >> > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > >> > > least you > > >> > > did your part :) > > >> > > > > >> > > Todd > > >> > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > >> > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike on > > >> > > any of > > >> > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, but > > >> > > a bike > > >> > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to stop > > >> > > and > > >> > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Speaking of..... > > >> > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > > >> > > mile > > >> > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I literally > > >> > > fixed > > >> > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > >> > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > >> > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > >> > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > Ken Woods > > >> > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > >> > > > F4 > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > _________________________________________________________ > > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > > >> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >> > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 23:15:11 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19138 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812031524.10044.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.199.58] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:15:24 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > << You guys need to vent your testostrone on > something more fun. like women. > >> > > oh dear lord! NO! PLEASE GOD NO! > ;D In my case, don't worry! === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 23:19:58 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19158 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812031701.26124.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.199.58] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:17:01 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > John, > I believe you just did post a statement > regarding firearm related > deaths. No specific numbers but you got your > point across all the same. ... and your point is.... === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 23:35:42 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19469 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (th-4-8.patriot.net [206.29.51.160]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA23571; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:22:19 -0400 Message-ID: <37B23CF5.85C05E12@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:18:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas and Jeannette CC: Lenzy Echols , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders - GUNS! References: <017501bee463$5b3ef360$f8f1fea9@lenzy> <37B20CE6.8160402E@patriot.net> <003701bee46f$47fb31e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm older than dirt. I'm so old I don't buy green bananas anymore. Bill Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > Oh, you're old... now I get it. ;-) > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Huson > To: Lenzy Echols > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 7:53 PM > Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders - GUNS! > > > Reckon I yanked the chains that time. heh heh > > > > "Have I seen what I've seen?" Well, after five decades of seeing, I've > probably > > seen a lot more. I survived 4 school years in New York with the gangs. > Was in a > > gang in north Jersey. Caught in the midst of a couple riots in DC. > Remember DC > > burning after MLKs assassination? Had to breach the police lines to rescue > my > > bride who was caught in that one. That was interesting. > > > > Like John Whiteside, I'll drop this thread now and won't even attempt to > bandy > > about gun facts. But I will say this - I'm not the least ignorant. I'm a > Math > > dude and I play the percentages. > > > > BTW - y`all are completely devoid of a sense of humor. > > > > Or did Tweety Bird strike a nerve :-) > > > > NOTE: The above is a J-O-K-E > > > > Bill > > > > > > Lenzy Echols wrote: > > > > > I agree with Tom 110% - Keep in mind Bill that as Tom said "have you > seen > > > what I've seen" It sounds like you have no clue as to what can happen > to > > > the innocent one making an honest attempt to help someone that would > seem to > > > be in distress. I have had my Concealed Permit for almost 2yrs. I live > in a > > > world of reality and that is that anything can happen and you must be as > > > prepared as possible within reason. If that means that I carry a gun and > be > > > prepared to shoot another human dead then so be it. I have been shot at > and > > > shot back. It is not something I look forward to but I am more prepared > then > > > most of the population. The person makes the mistake of an attempt on my > > > life or someone around me (like Tom,Jeanette etc..) I will shoot until > they > > > are dead and there will only be one side to the story. MINE..... When > you > > > grow up in a neighborhood such as the one Tom and I did you learn to > live > > > with the fact that life is not all about peaches and cream.......It is > hard > > > and in some cases must be dealt with in a hard manner. Tom is not out > > > looking for a fight nor I am but if it happens we will be in the > position > > > hopefully to defend ourselves as needed. > > > As far as the tweety bird comment---A gun is in no way a substitute for > > > manhood. I am sure Tom could get laid any day of the week without a gun. > > > Just ask Jeanette. If you think for minute that is truly a reason for > some > > > people to get a weapon then you are the small minded prick we will end > up > > > reading about who was taken out due to ignorance. > > > > > > Lenzy > > > 94 F2 > > > > > > From: Tom Zell > > > To: Bill Huson > > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:06 PM > > > Subject: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders > > > > > > >Now that was a very dickheadish reply to a rather serious post. > > > > > > > >I don't ride in Maryland but I am aware of the laws in each of the > > > surrounding > > > >states. No I cannot carry my weapon concealed into Maryland and I > cannot > > > carry > > > >at all into DC. I can carry into Maryland my weapon as long as it's > not > > > loaded > > > >and the projectiles are in a locked environment. If attacked though I > can > > > use > > > >deadly force and will to protect myself and family/friends. > > > > > > > >And the "hung life Tweety Bird comment... what the hell kinda jerk are > > > you?? > > > >Smiley face or no smiley face... don't be a dick! Do you know me? > Have > > > you > > > >seen what I've seen? I have no problem beating someone to an inch of > their > > > own > > > >life if warranted but man... these are freakin' crazy times and there > are > > > >freakin' crazy people out there. Maybe in your sheltered suburban-ite > > > Virginia > > > >world everything is all roses but in the real world of which you know > > > absolutely > > > >nothing about things are much different. > > > > > > > >Maybe one day... however I seriously doubt it now... my gun may be the > one > > > to > > > >save your pitiful life. > > > > > > > >And here you are calling me paranoid while some sick bastard just went > out > > > and > > > >shot-up a children's day camp! Open your eyes you moron! > > > > > > > >Tom > > > >'86 VFR750 > > > > > > > >____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > > >Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders > > > >Author: bhuson@XXXXXX (Bill Huson) > > > >Date: 08/11/1999 4:15 PM > > > > > > > >I've heard that long term therupy can help cure deep paranoia. > > > > > > > >I might add that you'll be stuck riding VA roads. Yeppers, your > precious CC > > > perm > > > >it > > > >is only good in VA. But hey, if you're hung like Tweety Bird, a big ol' > gun > > > is > > > >just the thang to have :-) > > > > > > > >Bill > > > >stirring up the coals again... > > > > > > > > > > > >Tom Zell wrote: > > > > > > > >> OK... when I receive from the state of Virginia my Concealed Weapons > > > Permit, I > > > >> will be more than happy to start stopping for people again. At least > > > then I > > > >> will be armed well enough to start pitching in again and be able to > > > protect > > > >> myself from the folks who mean to do harm to good people. > > > >> > > > >> Tom > > > >> '86 VFR750 > > > >> > > > >> ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > > >> Subject: RE: \: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron > Butt > > > >> Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) > > > >> Date: 08/11/1999 12:06 PM > > > >> > > > >> Sorry Tom, I just don't share your cynical attitude and, it may just > get > > > me > > > >> robbed, injured or killed one day. Oh well. Another calculated risk > in > > > >> addition to riding a motorcycle. > > > >> > > > >> I tend to believe that people are good, generally and would adjust my > > > >> perceptions of the situation and decision to stop on that. There > have > > > been > > > >> times I've needed a lift, or some other assistance and people have > > > stopped. > > > >> Much to my joy and amazement, because I'm afraid too many people feel > > > like > > > >> you do. > > > >> > > > >> Todd > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > > >> > > > > >> > There is a down side to all of this stopping and this is the > > > >> > primary reason to > > > >> > keep right on going... > > > >> > > > > >> > Every time that you stop for someone you are taking the risk of > > > >> > being robbed, > > > >> > injured, or the worst of all... murdered! I know that this is a > > > >> > terrible way to > > > >> > think BUT the world in general in my not so humble opinion has > > > >> > gone WAAAYYY off > > > >> > it's rocker. I used to stop for people (when I was younger) all > > > >> > of the time to > > > >> > offer help, etc. Now,I want to be able to get home to my family > > > >> > and friends and > > > >> > live my life peacefully. Stopping for someone now is just too > > > >> > damn dangerous > > > >> > although stopping for motorcyclists is a little safer. > > > >> > > > > >> > I will, however, be more than happy to call someone for > > > >> > assistance if the driver > > > >> > looks like they need help. I won't stop though unless there is > > > something > > > >> > critical happening at the scene, lets say an accident or something > of > > > that > > > >> > nature. If someone calls me then I'm on my way to help the > > > >> > second that I'm > > > >> > hanging up the phone. > > > >> > > > > >> > I am generally open to helping the people around me. > > > >> > Unfortunately though, my > > > >> > faith in humanity in general was greatly diminished by something > > > >> > that happened > > > >> > over this past weekend. It's not a topic for this discussion > > > >> > group but I'm > > > >> > mentioning it so that folks know that I'm not some kinda asshole. > > > >> > > > > >> > Tom > > > >> > '86 VFR750 > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > > >> > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron > Butt > > > rid > > > >> > Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > >> > Date: 08/11/1999 9:47 AM > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, take the first step forward.. when bikes start stopping for > > > >> > cages, cages will start stopping for bikes, and respect > motorcyclists > > > >> > on the road more. It may even get them thinking about getting a > bike. > > > >> > The more riders the better. > > > >> > > > > >> > I WONT BE STOPPED UNTIL MOST PEOPLE REALISE THE BENIFITS OF > > > >> > MOTORCYCLING! :) > > > >> > > > > >> > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > >> > > Ken, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > You've got to get your karma straightened out. Make the > > > >> > > sacrafice to stop > > > >> > > for bikers on the side of the road, even if they don't need your > > > >> > > help. Stop > > > >> > > for cars too. Next time someone will stop for you. If not, at > > > >> > > least you > > > >> > > did your part :) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Todd > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > >> > > > > You know, I don't think I've ever passed a broken down bike > on > > > >> > > any of > > > >> > > > > my 3 IB rides so far... I won't bother stopping for cages, > but > > > >> > > a bike > > > >> > > > > pulled over to the side of the road generally causes me to > stop > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > > > offer whatever kind of help I can. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Speaking of..... > > > >> > > > I spent close to an hour on the side of 495 tonight (about 1/2 > > > >> > > mile > > > >> > > > east of the BW Parkway) with a very sick CBR. (which I > literally > > > >> > > fixed > > > >> > > > with a rock, and a knife) > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Nobody stopped to ask if I was OK. > > > >> > > > Including the (no less than) 5 motorcycles that passed me. > > > >> > > > One of which looked at me, slowed, shrugged, and kept going. > > > >> > > > Very, very, very aggravating. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Oh well, it all turned out. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > >> > > > Ken Woods > > > >> > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > >> > > > F4 > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > _________________________________________________________ > > > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > > > >> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 11 23:57:43 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19836 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:57:41 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id mHQFa28682 (4003); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1463cf78.24e39ffe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:56:46 EDT Subject: Re: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 My point is...sounds good. Take your own advice : ) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 00:16:45 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20172 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.119]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:04:09 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: AMA and Senator "Killer" Koella Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:06:33 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bee478$103d16c0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990811142030.00da2340@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 That's me. While it's not as in your face as I'd prefer, they'll still get a few bucks from me. FWIW, I just got my mailer for the 1999 'Right to Ride' campaign. Basically, they ask for extra money, and it just goes to legislative battles. Nothing to do with their racing programs or museum. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 00:16:47 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20174 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.119]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:01:18 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Rist, Todd" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:03:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bee477$aa8d9840$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990811163142.1841.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > And $5 says that next George is going to go WAY off > topic. > > > > DING!!!! Pay the man! > > Couldn't resist. I get no respect around here... Probably don't even want to hear about my new bike. You'll never guess what brand it is;) (Picked up a new Roadster tonight. Leasing instead of buying so that I won't run as much danger of getting in trouble and being upside down on the loan when/if I get bored with it in two years.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 00:20:46 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20268 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.119]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:15:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Zell" , "Jordan; Michael" , Subject: RE: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:17:41 -0400 Message-ID: <002701bee479$9eb21800$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990811165052523-52c75a5@fanniemaefoundation.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Are you allowed to laminate the CC card? You aren't allowed to do that with Soc. Sec. cards, as it's easier to conceal falsified cards when they've been laminated. Might want to check into that. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 00:43:34 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20559 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-242-22.s276.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.242.22]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id AAA02442; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:43:30 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 99 00:38:16 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: attn:grant with the SV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For some nice small fairing/lamp combos, check out www.powerbronze.co.uk. lots of cool stuff, i think the predator would be nice on the sv. dual 55 W bulbs, and avail in a generic black, red, yellow, or color matched available from www.mandp.com as well, and take 18% off teh prices, due to VAT that you don't pay greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/12/99 HSTA/AMA 12:38:17 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 01:13:37 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21077 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.239.191.90]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA24345 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B2841D.2F69@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:21:49 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Yellow H4s ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, Might anyone know where a yellow H4 headlight bulb could be found... like now, not mail order...? TIA, JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 01:41:51 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21609 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812054107.11527.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:41:07 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:41:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Riders stopping for other riders To: George Howell , Tom Zell , "Jordan; Michael" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I find that plastic id card holders that school students and hotel lecturers/guests get that clip on, serve good as a laminated type of thing. --- George Howell wrote: > Are you allowed to laminate the CC card? You aren't allowed to do > that with > Soc. Sec. cards, as it's easier to conceal falsified cards when > they've been > laminated. Might want to check into that. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 02:08:32 1999 Return-Path: itm@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA22892 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: itm@XXXXXX Received: from ip150.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip150.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.150]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA07411 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:08:13 -0700 (PDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike Subject: 95 suzuki 600 (katana?) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:08:16 GMT Message-ID: <37b2892b.91704859@news.gte.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine purchased a (95 I think) suzuki 600. Aparantly the previous owner was killed (non bike related). The bike was sitting in the yard and my friend inquired about it to his friend (victims brother), and baught the bike for $500. It was pretty ugly then, no front fairing, needing a paint job, no windscreen... and the title was never found. My friend had it painted ($150), got fairings somewhere, and now the bike looks pretty good. He said he had the shop put new tires and brakes on the bike front and back, new windscreen, and it may or may not have been state inspected, i"m not sure. I asked him what was wrong with the bike, and he said it didnt' have a title.. and then he described all the stuff he put on it, and then mentioned sometimes the bike doesn't go into gear properly, like sometimes it's hard to find neutral. He said he asked the mechanic at the bike shop about it, and he told him what it could be but couldn't quite remember, but it didn't sound like it was too bad. I've done a deja news search on "hard to find nuetral" and from what I gather, at best it could be just a little quirk, at worst it could need work that would require the engine to be pulled to fix. So considering what I know, what do YOU think? Getting a title might cost anywhere from $60 to $200 I guess? And what about the gear selector problem.. ? He's going to let me take it for a test ride tomorrow after he gets off of work. Is there anything I should look for? He's selling it for only $800 which seems like a pretty good deal, even if I have to put some money into it.. What do you think? And yes I can call the local police and they'll run a vin # over the phone to make sure it wasn't stolen (and my friend wasn't fooled). BTW if I can get this bike on the road soon, (hopefully with little cost) I can sell my current bike to my friend and make a $500 profit. (92 ninja 250) So what do you think? ITM 92' Kawasaki Ninja ex250 (first bike leave me alone!! :) ) Maryland USA (right across the Wash DC line) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 07:03:07 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28337 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:59:46 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C2BB@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Tom Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:00:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) You will be fine with the NRA card... its already plastic! Glenn >I will remember to do so as well as my NRA membership card. :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 07:11:39 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28439 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:08:29 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C2BC@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:09:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) All from Sarah Brady's bullshit HCI, too. Glenn >There are motorcyclists on here who, like you, feel >very strongly that carrying a gun protects them. There >are others, like me, who would prefer the crime rates >of say, all of western Europe to those of places where >concealed weapons are allowed and more common (like, >say, Texas). We're not going to change each other's >minds. So if you can restrain yourself from posting >messages about the glories of carrying lethal force, I >will happily restrain myself from posting messages >about the rates of gun death in the US as compared to >other western nations, or the rates at which privately >owned guns cause accidental deaths of their owners and >owners' families versus protecting those people, and >so on. Deal? From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 07:34:38 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28805 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA27397 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:34:34 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:34:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Guns and Bikes Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:34:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Hmmm.... I wonder if my H & K SP89 will fit in my tank bag >with a 30 rnd mag..? It depends on the bag. Most Eclipse bags will need to be modified with a small hole for the muzzle to poke through. The new Givi tankbags appear to be long enough where that won't be a problem. My present Wolfman bag has just enough room for my PPKS, an extra magazine and a bologna sandwich. While the gun can stay in the bag for fairly long periods without adverse effects, the sandwich should be changed every few days. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 07:36:34 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28884 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA27720 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:36:30 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:36:30 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Invitation: Antietam's 1999 Ridge Run 8/29 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:36:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: Invitation: Antietam's 1999 Ridge Run 8/29 >http://members.aol.com/jd6201md/ridgerun.html">1999 Last year's Bridge run was a great ride. I plan to make this one too - not your usual Harley type poker run. Good roads, good people. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 08:07:36 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29584 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:07:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Now weekend incident Non-moto Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:07:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Really? Let me get this straight - Tom said there were like > 15 of them. They > were among a crowd. Are you suggesting whipping out a piece > to ward them off? In > a crowd? Actually, there wasn't a very big issue while in the line for the ride (it was narrow enough that it would have been a FAIR 1 on 1 fight - me and the wants-to-push-up-daises guy). The problem arrose more when we were OFF the ride, walking through the park - and even that wasn't so bad. The place it would have been nice for a weapon of some-sort was walking from the entrance into the poorly lit parking lot for the 5 min. walk to the car. Me, I think it would have been more fun to have their dog Zeus - a great little pit-bull.. > > You guys need to vent your testostrone on something more fun. > like women. Bill, I invite you to meet Tom and I sometime.. The above it probably intended in jest, but you did think of it and post it. I think you'd find that we are both very calm individuals who don't have a lot of 'excess testostrone' to vent... On a side note.. I'm headed out to Ohio for some racing this weekend.. :) lets see if I can keep the wheels on the ground this time.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 08:14:19 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29835 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA97E420262; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:14:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990812074908.00daae90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:50:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto In-Reply-To: <37B20F26.4E7BCEA8@patriot.net> References: <002c01bee438$ea807060$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:02 PM 8/11/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >Really? Let me get this straight - Tom said there were like 15 of them. They >were among a crowd. Are you suggesting whipping out a piece to ward them >off? In >a crowd? > >You guys need to vent your testostrone on something more fun. like women. > >Bill New Kings Dominion thrill -- experience a gang-related firefight! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:01:02 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00935 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGC00DCCS2XKN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:59:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA31124; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:00:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990812125921.DUQG8875@[166.41.251.160]>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:59:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:57:20 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders In-reply-to: <19990811212433.6271.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000201bee4c2$36897900$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Non-Moto, delete it if you hate your country .... heh, heh, heh, heh..... John Whiteside wrote..... > > There are motorcyclists on here who, like you, feel > very strongly that carrying a gun protects them. I don't believe concealed weapons allows the carrier to feel protected. But for those who've taken the decision to carry, at least it lends a little calm knowing you'd have the opportunity to defend yourself on even ground if the situation ever arose. > There > are others, like me, who would prefer the crime rates > of say, all of western Europe to those of places where > concealed weapons are allowed and more common (like, > say, Texas). Your preference should see you off to Europe then. This is the U.S.A. and sticking your head in the sand like an osterich won't make current culture go away. You don't have to like it, but you might try dealing with it. > We're not going to change each other's > minds. So if you can restrain yourself from posting > messages about the glories of carrying lethal force, I > will happily restrain myself from posting messages > about the rates of gun death in the US as compared to > other western nations, or the rates at which privately > owned guns cause accidental deaths of their owners and > owners' families versus protecting those people, and > so on. Do you actually have bonafide fact sheets that indicate higher rates of accidental deaths say, to crime caused death (via firearmes) for the U.S.A.? Why should we be concerned about "other western nations"? A lot of "other western nations" rose from tyranny and fascism, but never adopted something so hopeful as our Bill of Rights; one of which recognizes our right to defend our persons by bearing arms. How about higher rates of accidental deaths compared to the rate of thwarted attempts at criminal behaviour, in this country (attempted muggings, rapes, theft, assualts, etc....). I didn't think so. The most under-reported statistics where private gun ownership is concerned is crime stopped because the victims were playing on even ground. The most over-reported statistics are always those tragedies that, with the proper education and respect for firearms, could've been avoided. MOTO Related: Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:02:29 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00938 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-198.patriot.net [209.249.180.198]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA17994; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:02:23 -0400 Message-ID: <37B2C4E4.BF769EB7@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:58:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: itm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95 suzuki 600 (katana?) References: <37b2892b.91704859@news.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In VA you can declare the bike abandoned. You get a form from DMV, fill it out and they supply you with the name and addy of the last known title holder. Themn you dispatch a registered letter to same and wait. No reply or letter returned after 30 days and you go back to DMV and get a title. Did that with a car a buncha years ago. Bill itm@XXXXXX wrote: > A friend of mine purchased a (95 I think) suzuki 600. Aparantly the > previous owner was killed (non bike related). The bike was sitting in > the yard and my friend inquired about it to his friend (victims > brother), and baught the bike for $500. It was pretty ugly then, > no front fairing, needing a paint job, no windscreen... and the title > was never found. > > My friend had it painted ($150), got fairings somewhere, and now the > bike looks pretty good. He said he had the shop put new tires and > brakes on the bike front and back, new windscreen, and it may or may > not have been state inspected, i"m not sure. > > I asked him what was wrong with the bike, and he said it didnt' have a > title.. and then he described all the stuff he put on it, and then > mentioned sometimes the bike doesn't go into gear properly, like > sometimes it's hard to find neutral. He said he asked the mechanic at > the bike shop about it, and he told him what it could be but couldn't > quite remember, but it didn't sound like it was too bad. > > I've done a deja news search on "hard to find nuetral" and from what > I gather, at best it could be just a little quirk, at worst it could > need work that would require the engine to be pulled to fix. > > So considering what I know, what do YOU think? > > Getting a title might cost anywhere from $60 to $200 I guess? > > And what about the gear selector problem.. ? > > He's going to let me take it for a test ride tomorrow after he gets > off of work. Is there anything I should look for? > > He's selling it for only $800 which seems like a pretty good deal, > even if I have to put some money into it.. What do you think? > > And yes I can call the local police and they'll run a vin # over the > phone to make sure it wasn't stolen (and my friend wasn't fooled). > > BTW if I can get this bike on the road soon, (hopefully with little > cost) I can sell my current bike to my friend and make a $500 profit. > (92 ninja 250) > > So what do you think? > ITM > 92' Kawasaki Ninja ex250 (first bike leave me alone!! :) ) > Maryland USA (right across the Wash DC line) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:18:49 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01179 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812131904.824.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:19:04 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto To: MOTO748@XXXXXX, jwhiteside@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > My point is...sounds good. Take your own advice : ) I am! I said I wouldn't argue... I didn't say I wouldn't say what I thought! === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:19:31 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01199 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-198.patriot.net [209.249.180.198]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19864; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: <37B2C8E3.6BA9B3BC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:15:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Now weekend incident Non-moto References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wheels on the ground? Oh my, did you recently have an intimate affair with the asphalt? I hate when that happens. Have a safe trip. Sure, I'm always up for a party. Pick a place. You guys ever hit poser alley in Old Towne Alexandria? Neat collection of bikes. Quite a few custom harleys - really custom - and a few vintage machines. Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > > Really? Let me get this straight - Tom said there were like > > 15 of them. They > > were among a crowd. Are you suggesting whipping out a piece > > to ward them off? In > > a crowd? > > Actually, there wasn't a very big issue while in the line for the ride (it > was narrow enough that it would have been a FAIR 1 on 1 fight - me and the > wants-to-push-up-daises guy). The problem arrose more when we were OFF the > ride, walking through the park - and even that wasn't so bad. The place it > would have been nice for a weapon of some-sort was walking from the entrance > into the poorly lit parking lot for the 5 min. walk to the car. Me, I think > it would have been more fun to have their dog Zeus - a great little > pit-bull.. > > > > > You guys need to vent your testostrone on something more fun. > > like women. > > Bill, I invite you to meet Tom and I sometime.. The above it probably > intended in jest, but you did think of it and post it. I think you'd find > that we are both very calm individuals who don't have a lot of 'excess > testostrone' to vent... > > On a side note.. I'm headed out to Ohio for some racing this weekend.. :) > lets see if I can keep the wheels on the ground this time.. > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:21:46 1999 Return-Path: JCM@XXXXXX Received: from defender.fda.gov (defender.fda.gov [198.77.181.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01290 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV by defender.fda.gov via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 13:21:03 UT Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV (PMDF V5.1-12 #28864) id <01JEOB4H9BGG9AMFML@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:21:45 EDT Received: from drm555.cdrh.fda.gov (EXCHANGE.CDRH.FDA.GOV) by CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV (PMDF V5.1-12 #28864) with ESMTP id <01JEOB4GN2X89AMFNT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by EXCHANGE.CDRH.FDA.GOV with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:21:39 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:20:47 -0400 From: "Monahan, John C." Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brian, I don't believe that you are a member of the HSTA so why would you expect them to help you. Jack Co-Director MD HSTA -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 1:16 PM To: 'dc' Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders When my stator burned out last summer up on the NJ turnpike... for the next 28 hours as I sat waiting for my ride (yes, on the side of the road) - not a single motorcycle stopped... the only cars that stopped were doing so for their own reasons, and only 1 or 2 inquired if I needed help. I happened to be fortunate enough to have a phone handy... AMA was absolutly NO help, nor was HRC or HSTA (I'll give them all a break, it was a holiday weekend).... Basically, the only assistance I received was from Collin Fagan, as he drove from Tysons to within 30 miles of NYC to pick me up... Talk about speaking Highly for fellow riders out on the road... sheesh. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:22:59 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01300 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA21919; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Todd Peer cc: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders In-Reply-To: <000201bee4c2$36897900$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > MOTO Related: > Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? Sure!!!! They have lots of stuff for ATV's. Couldn't be _that_ hard to adapt something. :) (wcom.com?? where? 8100?) -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX F4 <--> P89 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:24:11 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01310 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812132106.16124.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:21:06 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:21:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > Your preference should see you off to Europe then. > This is the U.S.A. and > sticking your head in the sand like an osterich > won't make current culture > go away. You don't have to like it, but you might > try dealing with it. I'm not going to get into a fight about gun policy, but I will say this: this "This is America, leave it if you don't like it" is one of the most loathesome forms of "argument" this is. I'm as American as you, bud, and Boston (tough gun laws, bigger than DC, 30-50 murders a year) is as American as Virginia. I can deal with that fact that you disagree with me without suggesting you leave the country. I suggest you try to do the same. After all, it's the American way. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:26:07 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01324 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 12 Aug 99 13:26:00 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa001kG; Thu, 12 Aug 99 13:25:55 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:25:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'Monahan, John C.'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:25:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I was a member till that incident - then decided that it was an obvious waste of my money. Same went for the AMA - dropped both when they weren't there to help me. Why are being being so dang agressive towards the person (people) who had to deal with the shitty end of the situation? sheesh *shaking head in frustration* Brian (can't wait to get the hell away from the east coast and back to normal civiliy) McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Monahan, John C. [mailto:JCM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 9:21 AM > To: 'McCoy, Brian NAB02'; 'dc' > Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders > > > Brian, > > I don't believe that you are a member of the HSTA so why > would you expect > them to help you. > > Jack > Co-Director MD HSTA From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:26:20 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01333 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA27667; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:26:44 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023250; Thu, 12 Aug 99 09:20:24 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGC003ZBT6DET@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.0049255C ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:18:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:16:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.0048FC8B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I don't think any of us really wanted to know that... ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Ok, I take personal offense to that, being the wife... I can tell you, Tweety Bird he ain't! : ) - Jeannette (VERY satisfied wife) '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:30:59 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01497 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA01715; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:31:37 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026649; Thu, 12 Aug 99 09:24:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGC003Z6TDDW4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.00498629 ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:23:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:22:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Speaking of dcsportbikeriders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.00498183.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Funny you should mention this. Every time I go to Fast Lane I see at least one of these guys or his bike. Usually, I think they're there to hot-rod their bikes though. FWIW, I've interacted with these guys a few times and I have to say that they really do seem like very nice people. Chris '98 VTR From: Brian Roach Happened to notice a cbr900rr parked outside (where they keep the bikes they work on) with a dcsportbike sticker on what was left of the fairing. Whole right side was hosed, clutch cover beveled and cracked, front crank case cover was gone, etc. These guys must spend a fortune putting their bikes back together all the time. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 09:58:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01915 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGC00CDQUQLLZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:56:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA10746; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:57:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990812135642.EOMK8875@[166.41.251.160]>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:56:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:54:41 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders In-reply-to: <19990812132106.16124.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000501bee4ca$39838580$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > Your preference should see you off to Europe then. > > This is the U.S.A. and > > sticking your head in the sand like an osterich > > won't make current culture > > go away. You don't have to like it, but you might > > try dealing with it. > > I'm not going to get into a fight about gun policy, > but I will say this: this "This is America, leave it > if you don't like it" is one of the most loathesome > forms of "argument" this is. I'm as American as you, > bud, and Boston (tough gun laws, bigger than DC, 30-50 > murders a year) is as American as Virginia. I never used that argument, and I don't doubt your patriotism. However, you did provoke, at least me, by attempting to compare the U.S.A. to "other western nations". Our culture is quite unique comparatively. You've stepped over my intention to disregard these kinds of comparisons, and made it personal. Again. You do this everytime. Someone points out your weak-assed arguments. So, do you have any of those bonafide facts about gun violence in THIS country, or don't you? And don't bring me any of that weak Sarah Brady BS either. > > I can deal with that fact that you disagree with me > without suggesting you leave the country. I suggest > you try to do the same. > > After all, it's the American way. I never did, you did. You 'preferred' the gun culture of "other western nations" to your own. I merely indicated that maybe you'd be more comfortable away from all these nasty guns.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:20:41 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02383 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:20:39 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id dQROa13743 (14389); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <652931c7.24e431b6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:18:30 EDT Subject: bike accessories To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, jwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/12/99 9:09:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << MOTO Related: Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? >> how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount my coffee cup (the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. Or stop at McDonalds and bring home a coke.... marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:27:58 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02468 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA15827; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:28:14 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa09352; Thu, 12 Aug 99 10:18:53 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGC00F12VS6NM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.004E4B7D ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:14:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:03:44 -0400 Subject: Poser Alley (was Annoying Gun Thread) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.004D4AD3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian might have been referring to his turn one "incident" at the endurance race recently. Or maybe wheelies, but I don't see any reason to avoid those! ;^) I've wondered where and when this "Poser Alley" thing was. I went down to Old Town one time hoping to see some other bikes, but never spotted one. When did you see them down there? I assume they congregate down by the river on King(?) Street. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: Bill Huson Wheels on the ground? Oh my, did you recently have an intimate affair with the asphalt? I hate when that happens. Have a safe trip. Sure, I'm always up for a party. Pick a place. You guys ever hit poser alley in Old Towne Alexandria? Neat collection of bikes. Quite a few custom harleys - really custom - and a few vintage machines. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:37:06 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02635 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGC00GQ2W9WHK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:30:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA27854; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:25:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990812142956.FCUK8875@[166.41.251.160]>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:29:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:27:54 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: bike accessories In-reply-to: <652931c7.24e431b6@aol.com> To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000901bee4ce$ddceb520$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I think I've seen these in JC Whitney catalogs. click here.... http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/shoponline/cycle1.htm ....to get a free catalog. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:19 AM > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; jwhiteside@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: bike accessories > > > In a message dated 8/12/99 9:09:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > << MOTO Related: > Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? >> > > how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount > my coffee cup > (the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. > Or stop at > McDonalds and bring home a coke.... > > marcy > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:44:31 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02733 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 17:42:32 UT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:44 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:bike accessories Message-ID: <1999081210445587-903c668@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Get off the bike and go buy a car... it would suit you better. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: bike accessories Author: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: 08/12/1999 10:18 AM In a message dated 8/12/99 9:09:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << MOTO Related: Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? >> how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount my coffee cup (the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. Or stop at McDonalds and bring home a coke.... marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:46:29 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02812 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:43:13 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C2E9@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Poser Alley (was Annoying Gun Thread) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:43:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Poser alley is usually any Wednesday night when the weather permits it. Sometimes, if I'm bored I'll be there. Glenn >I've wondered where and when this "Poser Alley" thing was. I went down to >Old Town one time hoping to see some other bikes, but never spotted one. >When did you see them down there? I assume they congregate down by the >river on King(?) Street. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:46:48 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02822 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812144349.26833.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:43:49 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Poser Alley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I've wondered where and when this "Poser Alley" > thing was. I went down to > Old Town one time hoping to see some other bikes, > but never spotted one. > When did you see them down there? I assume they > congregate down by the > river on King(?) Street. Pretty much... head south on the GW Parkway into Old Town, then hang a left on King. On a Sunday afternoon you'll notice a lot of bikes heading that way. Within a block or so you'll see lots of bikes parked on the street. I forget the name of the place that's the main hangout... === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:46:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02832 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE5B3201CE; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:46:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990812103957.00d9c5e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:41:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: bike accessories In-Reply-To: <652931c7.24e431b6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:18 AM 8/12/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount my coffee cup >(the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. Or stop at >McDonalds and bring home a coke.... > >marcy Check the GoldWing shops ... seriously! Also, boating stores will have gimballed holders for drinks. Just don't hold the coffee between your legs, especially that Dangerous McDonald's Coffee! :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:57:08 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03006 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA12804 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:01:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199908121401.KAA12804@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:56:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: bike accessories Priority: normal References: <652931c7.24e431b6@aol.com> In-reply-to: <000901bee4ce$ddceb520$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) I've also seen these in the Dennis Kirk catalog. http://www.denniskirk.com or 1-800-328-9280 John Newman 88 FZR400 From: Todd Peer > I think I've seen these in JC Whitney catalogs. > click here.... > http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/shoponline/cycle1.htm > ....to get a free catalog. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:19 AM > > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; jwhiteside@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: bike accessories > > > > > > In a message dated 8/12/99 9:09:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > << MOTO Related: > > Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? >> > > > > how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount > > my coffee cup > > (the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. > > Or stop at > > McDonalds and bring home a coke.... > > > > marcy > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 10:58:34 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03016 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812145533.6631.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:55:33 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > I think I've seen these in JC Whitney catalogs. > click here.... > http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/shoponline/cycle1.htm > ....to get a free catalog. If anyone tries to use one of these I'd love to know how it actually works. I hate to admit it but it sounds handy. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:02:23 1999 Return-Path: mehran7@XXXXXX Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (web113.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.84]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03135 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812150110.600.rocketmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.49.117.150] by web113.yahoomail.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:01:10 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mehran Subject: For Sale - Vance & Hines S4 Slip-on for R1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Vance & Hines S4 aluminum slip-on for a 98-99 Yamaha R1. Still in box. Click on the following link to see a picture of it: http://www.vanceandhines.com/pages/SS4slip.html Priced at $200 If interested, reply to this address. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:09:31 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03214 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.219]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:04:02 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , Subject: RE: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:06:32 -0400 Message-ID: <003001bee4d4$4308c340$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201bee4c2$36897900$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > MOTO Related: > Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? Hell, Atlantic Cycle stocks them! But they're for those little four wheelers. A bit of ingenuity should get them onto motorcycle handlebars. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:12:09 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03305 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anita (tc2-s37.wizard.net [206.161.15.113]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA21188 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:12:14 -0400 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: Taking a break... Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:14:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bee4d5$4ee5c2c0$520fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Ya know.. this list just ain't my cup of tea any longer. I'm going to unsub for a while and check back in a month or two. If anyone wants to do anything really crazy, like go for a ride sometime, please email me directly at 2xracers@XXXXXX. Enjoy the rest of the summer! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:12:56 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03323 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.219]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:07:30 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: bike accessories Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: <003101bee4d4$bf67c080$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <652931c7.24e431b6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Got one on the Wing. Cost about $15. Mounts on tubular handlebars. Seen 'em at Atlantic and Coleman. I can look up some URL's in Wing World if interested. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount > my coffee cup > (the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:20:00 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03433 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA23421; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:20:20 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa20581; Thu, 12 Aug 99 11:16:11 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGC00IRNYH1H9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.00539D61 ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:13:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:58:11 -0400 Subject: VFR Front Brake pad replacement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.005254DD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I am going to try and replace my front brake pads myself (with EBC pads, are they good?). Any advice before I start (I am using the Clymer manual)? Do I need to bleed the system afterwards? Thanks and sorry for this non-gun, non-personal related thread (-: Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:33:26 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03773 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user71.anent.com [208.195.115.71]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00453; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: <037501bee4d8$16f3d520$4773c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, , References: <000601bee4d5$4ee5c2c0$520fa1ce@anita> Subject: Re: Taking a break... Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:33:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is really sad. One of the lists most active members bailing because of the terrible signal-to-noise ratio. How many of you have been on and enjoyed Anita's rides more than discussing (arguing and insulting each other) about topics that belong on other lists. I know, I know, free speech and all that crap, but I've seen several other lists degenerate in this way recently. Yes, you do have the right to say and discuss just about anything but please consider others when you make your comments. Preparing to be massively flamed for my opinions, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:14 AM Subject: Taking a break... > Ya know.. this list just ain't my cup of tea any longer. I'm going to unsub > for a while and check back in a month or two. > > If anyone wants to do anything really crazy, like go for a ride sometime, > please email me directly at 2xracers@XXXXXX. > > Enjoy the rest of the summer! > Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:36:38 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03901 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA21253 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:36:34 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:36:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:36:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" EBCs have been good for me >Any advice before I start Of course... Clean the front end well - brakes are just about the grimiest things on a vehicle. Keep a good supply of rags/paper towels/whatever handy and some brake cleaner couldn't hurt. >Do I need to bleed the system afterwards? Usually, no - unless your brakes feel spongy and not firm. If your bike is a few years old, it doesn't hurt to replace the fluid with new - use the basic bleeding process until the fluid runs clear (the old stuff gets brownish (or blackish)). >Thanks and sorry for this non-gun, non-personal related thread OK - just don't let it happen again Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:38:56 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03933 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user71.anent.com [208.195.115.71]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00492; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:34:39 -0400 Message-ID: <038701bee4d8$db71f4e0$4773c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , References: <852567CB.005254DD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:39:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: VFR Front Brake pad replacement > I am going to try and replace my front brake pads myself (with EBC pads, > are they good?). Any advice before I start (I am using the Clymer manual)? > Do I need to bleed the system afterwards? My personal opinion is that the factory pads are the best for any bike (unless you're racing) and probably won't tear up your rotors. My advice would be to clean the calipers thoroughly with brake clean before pushing the pistons back in the calipers including maybe giving the pistons a quick brush off with an old toothbrush. Bleeding shouldn't be necessary, but flushing the system and filling with fresh fluid is almost always a good idea. Bruce > Thanks and sorry for this non-gun, non-personal related thread (-: > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:48:05 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04154 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:47:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:47:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) LOL... someone with something MC related.. you're kidding!!! It's a simple, straight-forward procedure (for the front wheel - never looked closely at the rear single-sided jobber). You should have 2 12mm bolts holding each calipur to the fork tube. Remove those, and the calipur should slide off the back of the disk and be free. Spread the old pads (pushing in the pistons) first will make things a little easier near the end... I use a screw-driver inbetween the pads - others use things like C-clamps, and pliars of various natures... Then, you'll just be undoing whatever kind of fastening system there is on the calipur (if it's like the CBR and 86/87 VFR brothers, you'll have 2 threaded pins to remove with an alan key). Re-assembly is the opposite... No need to bleed the brakes unless you're changing the fluid, or the brake lines. As for your choice in pads? Most people feel that stock Honda pads are pretty damn good - us racers like the EBC HH sintereds for the track - you really just have to try out a few different brands to find one that suits you for inital bite, feel and fade... (Vesrahs didn't cut it on my list - I've got EBC HH's ready for when the Vesrahs die). Have fun.. :) Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: VFR Front Brake pad replacement > > > I am going to try and replace my front brake pads myself > (with EBC pads, > are they good?). Any advice before I start (I am using the > Clymer manual)? > Do I need to bleed the system afterwards? > > Thanks and sorry for this non-gun, non-personal related thread (-: > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:48:40 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04164 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:47:38 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:47:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:46:52 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jwhiteside@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline MOTO Related: Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? Todd Yup. $32.99 from Dennis Kirk ATV catalog. (Damn, I should be getting a cut from these guys!) Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 11:51:18 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04267 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 18:49:03 UT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:50 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "mark.kitchell@XXXXXX" , "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:VFR Front Brake pad replacement Message-ID: <19990812115057334-9403bf0@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Personally, I like the stock Honda pads. They seem to have the best wear characteristics and last a really long time. EBC pads are good as well but I don't think they're as good as the original stuff. Loosen the cap on the reservoir and make sure that you have something to catch any spilling brake fluid. If any gets on the paint wipe it off IMMEDIATELY! You'll need a c-clamp to push the caliper pistons back in. Pretty easy job though. Have fun! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Author: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: 08/12/1999 10:58 AM I am going to try and replace my front brake pads myself (with EBC pads, are they good?). Any advice before I start (I am using the Clymer manual)? Do I need to bleed the system afterwards? Thanks and sorry for this non-gun, non-personal related thread (-: Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 12:05:14 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04576 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:05:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Actually, this isn't necessary unless the resivoir was filled while the pads were worn.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > Loosen the cap on the reservoir and make sure that you have > something to catch > any spilling brake fluid. If any gets on the paint wipe it > off IMMEDIATELY! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 12:27:42 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04937 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA24388 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA24384 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA15638 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.4.164]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA15634 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990812122534.01250910@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:25:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Looking for a lift for me and my bike... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey all, Is there anyone out there who would be generous enough to give me and my bike a lift to Summit Point on Friday afternoon, September 17th, and then give us a ride back late Sunday (the 19th) afternoon? I'm taking the MARRC school, and am too poor to buy a trailer right away. :-( I'm willing to pay for gas, munchies, and your entrance fee to the track... I'm located in Upper Marlboro, MD (between Bowie/Waldorf). Thanks! Brad From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 13:00:41 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f285.hotmail.com [209.185.130.224]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05701 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28221 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 1999 17:00:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990812170007.28220.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:00:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike accessories Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:00:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I got a cup holder for a bicycle and used the screws that hold the clutch to the bar to secure it. I've seen GoldWingers with the boat style coffe cup holder that swivels a bit to keep the coffee from spilling. These heat bumps make a mess. Leon. >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX >how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount my coffee >cup >(the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. Or stop at >McDonalds and bring home a coke.... > >marcy > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 13:03:08 1999 Return-Path: sdmeyer1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05711 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-18-208.bellatlantic.net [151.200.18.208]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12365; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B2FE19.97335A8B@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:06:12 -0400 From: Steve Meyer Reply-To: sdmeyer1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR Front Brake pad replacement References: <852567CB.005254DD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, If you happen to have 12MB of bandwidth and disk space available, you can download a PDF version of the Honda VFR Service manual from http://www.infinity.nu/vfr/. Steve mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am going to try and replace my front brake pads myself (with EBC pads, > are they good?). Any advice before I start (I am using the Clymer manual)? > Do I need to bleed the system afterwards? > > Thanks and sorry for this non-gun, non-personal related thread (-: > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 13:07:14 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05798 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812170726.1264.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:07:26 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:07:26 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:bike accessories To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was on the way home the other day, and having a mcdonalds 30 seconds from my house, I was wishing i had a cup holder so I could stop by and drive my food home, and soda too. I have a bungee net.. I was considering something like, strapping it to the seat side so it would stay upright.. but I thougth it might burst the cup so i decided to just go home. Now I'm thinking maybe i can use some of that flexible aluminum muffler strap to make a cup holder to fit on my bike somewhere... course it would be damn ugly.. dammit i'm going to figure a way to get a mcdonalds cup to be secure on my bike somehow.. I'll practice with a used cup filled with water.. I think it's a reasonable idea to want to transport a mcdonalds soda to another place. Hmm now that i think about it.. I could have rolled the bag shut, put it under the bungee net, then used the bag as a cupholder/guide and the bungee net could have held it firmly against the bag, so it'd stay upright.. I'll give that a practice try... Let you guys know how it goes. --- Tom Zell wrote: > Get off the bike and go buy a car... it would suit you better. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 Oh and btw I'm pretty sure most of us have cars, but we are on the bike at the time! We want to transport the food/drink, not drink and drive. > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: bike accessories > Author: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Date: 08/12/1999 10:18 AM > > In a message dated 8/12/99 9:09:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > << MOTO Related: > Anyone ever seen a gun rack for handlebars? >> > > how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount my > coffee cup > (the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. Or > stop at > McDonalds and bring home a coke.... > > marcy > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 13:23:25 1999 Return-Path: dave@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06094 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11EyVq-0001b6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:19:34 -0400 Received: from david500 ([209.70.174.26]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07296 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002101bee4e8$45e60280$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <852567CB.005254DD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:29:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 If you go with the EBC pads make sure you bed them in properly. I just replaced my VFR brakes with EBCs and didn't bed them in properly. It was just before going on an extended trip with my wife as passenger with no real hard breaking opportunities like the procedure calls for (with a passenger on the back for the first 200 miles of travel its too hard to break pads in properly). Now my pads and rotors "sing" when I come to a stop and the feel is less then stellar. As a racer I should have know better. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: VFR Front Brake pad replacement > I am going to try and replace my front brake pads myself (with EBC pads, > are they good?). Any advice before I start (I am using the Clymer manual)? > Do I need to bleed the system afterwards? > > Thanks and sorry for this non-gun, non-personal related thread (-: > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 13:28:49 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06197 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id KAA29309 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:28:44 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:28:44 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike accessories Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:28:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I was on the way home the other day, and having a mcdonalds 30 >seconds from my house, I was wishing i had a cup holder so I >could stop by and drive my food home, and soda too. I can balance a drink cup on top of my headlight shell with it resting in the valley between my tach & speedo. As long as I don't get very creative in the corners or brake too hard, it stays right there. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 13:40:40 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06453 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812174141.20220.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:41:41 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Bay Bridge traffic on Friday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tomorrow I plan on trying a new way up to (and through) the New Jersey Turnpike. Normally I take I-95 all the way up, through Baltimore, and to the Delaware Memorial Bridge. This time I plan on trying to take Rt 50 East, over the Bay Bridge, then 301 North to Delaware. I know the Bay Bridge tends to get backed up with the ocean going traffic on weekends. When do the jams usually start? My goal is to be on the road (from Alex, VA) by 7:00 am, but anything can happen. Thanks for any feedback, Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:01:34 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06895 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA10620 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:01:17 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:01:17 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:01:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >If you happen to have 12MB of bandwidth and disk space >available, you can download a PDF version of the Honda VFR >Service manual Got the disk space and bandwidth Don't have a VFR Two out of three isn't bad ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:15:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07203 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA28854; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:16:02 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016810; Thu, 12 Aug 99 13:58:40 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGD00MNH621E0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.0062A7E5 ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:57:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:44:33 -0400 Subject: Re:bike accessories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.0061A61C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL How about the almighty zip-tie? Find a vertical point on the bike (pillion peg?) and just zip-tie the cup to it! How about a pipe-clamp? I won't even go into the duct-tape alternatives... Chris 98 VTR Original Message: dammit i'm going to figure a way to get a mcdonalds cup to be secure on my bike somehow.. I'll practice with a used cup filled with water.. I think it's a reasonable idea to want to transport a mcdonalds soda to another place. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:15:51 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07207 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user199.anent.com [208.195.115.199]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00867 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:11:35 -0400 Message-ID: <072401bee4ee$c834b780$4773c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Hayabusa with sidecar Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:16:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just goes to show that anyone anywhere will modify anything that has wheels. http://www.terraworld.net/fmcduff/hya.htm (Somebody did the same thing with a 916. Wonder if it's the same guy?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:21:35 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07374 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA03581; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:21:58 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma020532; Thu, 12 Aug 99 14:03:26 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGD0028669HVF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.0063053B ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:01:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:00:01 -0400 Subject: Brake update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.0062E979.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Thanks for the brake advice. I have decided to let Dennis at Crossroads Cycle do it this time ($15 per side), and I plan to watch and learn for next time. My bike repair experience has been oil changes, so I don't feel comfortable doing brake work myself with only the Clymer manual. Its not something I would want to mess up. No one out there can agree on what pads to recommend. Every non-factory shop (Crossroads, Fastlane, 888Fastlap) recommends the EBC pads, while every factory shop (Coleman, Loudon Motorsports, Honda of Milpitas) recommeds OEM. Since I can get EBC HHs now, I think thats what I will use. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:26:25 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07418 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 21:24:25 UT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:25 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "McCoy; Brian NAB02" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Message-ID: <1999081214265500-9cf0552@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Which it should have been... Tom ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy; Brian NAB02) Date: 08/12/1999 12:05 PM Actually, this isn't necessary unless the resivoir was filled while the pads were worn.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > Loosen the cap on the reservoir and make sure that you have > something to catch > any spilling brake fluid. If any gets on the paint wipe it > off IMMEDIATELY! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:26:41 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07427 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA05653; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:26:38 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023145; Thu, 12 Aug 99 14:07:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGD00MUM6GORC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.00636B50 ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:05:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:53:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Bay Bridge traffic on Friday To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.006259A7.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL If you are on the road by 7AM the only bridge traffic you are going to see in the Wilson Bridge! Seriously, start a few hours later to avoid the DC rush. You will not run into Bay Bridge traffic before 3PM, usless there is an accident. Have fun riding the bridge. Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Louis F. Caplan" Date: 08/12/99 05:41:41 PM GMT Subject: Bay Bridge traffic on Friday Tomorrow I plan on trying a new way up to (and through) the New Jersey Turnpike. Normally I take I-95 all the way up, through Baltimore, and to the Delaware Memorial Bridge. This time I plan on trying to take Rt 50 East, over the Bay Bridge, then 301 North to Delaware. I know the Bay Bridge tends to get backed up with the ocean going traffic on weekends. When do the jams usually start? My goal is to be on the road (from Alex, VA) by 7:00 am, but anything can happen. Thanks for any feedback, Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:29:37 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07511 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C307@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Hayabusa with sidecar Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:27:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) But what is that front tire on that thing? Glenn >Just goes to show that anyone anywhere will modify anything that has wheels. >http://www.terraworld.net/fmcduff/hya.htm >(Somebody did the same thing with a 916. Wonder if it's the same guy?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:33:49 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07656 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA21796 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:33:44 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:33:44 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Hayabusa with sidecar Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:33:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: Hayabusa with sidecar And it's a proper hack - check out the front suspension and tyre. There's a lady who rides with BMWBMW who has a beautiful blue K1100 based hack. Start with expensive scooter and add about $15K in mods (suspension, mainly). Looks like fun, but I prefer a bike that leans bothways. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:36:53 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07749 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id OAA25372 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:36:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:36:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar In-Reply-To: <072401bee4ee$c834b780$4773c3d0@bruce> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually... this thing is kinda cool IMHO. - Bri On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Bruce Norton wrote: > Just goes to show that anyone anywhere will modify anything that has wheels. > > http://www.terraworld.net/fmcduff/hya.htm > > (Somebody did the same thing with a 916. Wonder if it's the same guy?) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:42:06 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07803 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C30B@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bay Bridge traffic on Friday Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:38:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hey shouldn't see any bridge traffic going that way (north on 95). That side backs up in the afternoon, not in the morning. Glenn >If you are on the road by 7AM the only bridge traffic you are going to see >in the Wilson Bridge! Seriously, start a few hours later to avoid the DC >rush. >You will not run into Bay Bridge traffic before 3PM, usless there is an >accident. Have fun riding the bridge. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:48:07 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07956 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA26409 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:48:03 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:48:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Hayabusa with sidecar Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:47:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >But what is that front tire on that thing? "Real" sidecar rigs use automotive tires on all 3 wheels (since it steers like a car, car tires). This tends to be expen$ive (completely rework the front and rear suspensions), and what one usually sees is a chair hung off the side of a standard bike. This doesn't work as well, but works well enough for most folks... and then there's the radical fringe... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:48:56 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07959 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812184708.2274.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:47:08 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Brake update To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, those are sintered metallic pads and they'll wear your rotors quicker than OEM. But, I've used 'em, liked 'em, and would use 'em again. BTW, though, I sell my bikes every 1-2 years and pass on the rotor wear. Good luck. --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > Since I can get EBC HHs now, I > think thats what I will > use. > > Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:51:57 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08055 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:50:52 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:50:49 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:50:14 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike accessories -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Marcy wrote: how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount my coffee cup (the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. Or stop at McDonalds and bring home a coke.... Assuming you want a more "factory" solution that the stadium cup/hose clamp rig: Bike Buoy. $13.99, handlebar clamp is 5.99 from D.Kirk. We must not have any Wingers on the list; I rarely see a Wing without at least one of these. joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 14:54:30 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08076 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 21:52:12 UT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:51 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "McCoy; Brian NAB02" Cc: "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Message-ID: <19990812145354879-9e7bcf9@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Two things happen when you force the pistons all the way closed... a) when you top off the brake fluid after doing the install you're topping off a system that has moved the pistons. The brake fluid has taken up that area. When you push the pistons back into the caliper you're pushing them all the way back in which creates an over pressure situation that can reduce the life of the seals in the master cylinder and calipers, and put extra stress on the lines (I've seen'em burst on cars and the systems although smaller are about the same). b) because of the increased pressure and the displacement of the fluid it has a tend to "push" the pistons back out of their bores... usually right when you need them to do it the least... like when trying to put the calipers back on the bike. Now you know... Later Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy; Brian NAB02) Date: 08/12/1999 2:33 PM Why? I always make sure to top off my master cylinder when I put new pads on... never had a problem. Not even on the race-bikes.... Brian > -----Original Message----- > > > Which it should have been... > > Tom From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 15:00:34 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08240 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:59:42 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:59:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:59:00 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hayabusa with sidecar -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, these things only lean one way--wrong! Snap it into a right-hander, and you'll put some wide stripes in yer shorts. Joe >>> "Jordan, Michael" - 8/12/99 2:33 PM >>> >Subject: Hayabusa with sidecar And it's a proper hack - check out the front suspension and tyre. There's a lady who rides with BMWBMW who has a beautiful blue K1100 based hack. Start with expensive scooter and add about $15K in mods (suspension, mainly). Looks like fun, but I prefer a bike that leans bothways. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 15:10:10 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08343 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 12 Aug 99 19:10:01 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa000BN; Thu, 12 Aug 99 19:09:57 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:09:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'Tom Zell'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:04:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I find flaw with your theroy.... If I start with a system that I would consider optimal.. brand new pads, and a master cylinder that's full (to the full line, maybe a little above) - I should NEVER be placing undue pressue on the system. Nor should I ever have to fill the system. It's possible that if you have a bad seal, water will get into the fluid and cause it to swell a little - but then you'd notice mushy brakes aswell.... If you fill the resivoir when the pads are used, then you try to install new pads, then you have to worry about what you were mentioning.... Just from my experience working on my personal bikes, and a few race-bikes (doing pads every other weekend for Collin.. sheesh). Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 15:16:57 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08506 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812191709.26513.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:17:09 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Who's up for a ride next saturday after this one. . WAS (Re: Taking a break...) To: Bruce Norton , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Quick! let's schedule a ride! btw i'm up for doing that hagerstown thing later this month. Also I think leon and I might be doing some riding this weekend or sometime next week after work hours. Who's up to tag along with our 250 ninjas? I *think* we'll be doing some montgomery county riding, but leon and someone else will be starting the ride from VA and meet me in maryland right off the first b/w parkway exit. Hey maybe instead of going to montogemery county ( we had no real destination anyway) maybe we can ride to annapolis.. i'm not to familiar with annapolis, maybe one of you who's familiar with it, can take us to some scenic parts? Also we need to schedule time/date. How about next weekend not this one coming up.. that way we'd have plenty of time in advance to plan/schedule and have people joining in. Who's up for a ride? --- Bruce Norton wrote: > This is really sad. One of the lists most active members bailing > because of the > terrible signal-to-noise ratio. How many of you have been on and > enjoyed > Anita's rides more than discussing (arguing and insulting each > other) about > topics that belong on other lists. I know, I know, free speech and > all that > crap, but I've seen several other lists degenerate in this way > recently. Yes, > you do have the right to say and discuss just about anything but > please > consider others when you make your comments. > > Preparing to be massively flamed for my opinions, > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:14 AM > Subject: Taking a break... > > > > Ya know.. this list just ain't my cup of tea any longer. I'm > going to unsub > > for a while and check back in a month or two. > > > > If anyone wants to do anything really crazy, like go for a ride > sometime, > > please email me directly at 2xracers@XXXXXX. > > > > Enjoy the rest of the summer! > > Anita > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 15:17:37 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08515 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 22:15:22 UT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:17 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "McCoy; Brian NAB02" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Message-ID: <19990812151755190-9fdb730@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You are supposed to fill the system as the brakes wear down... that's what I'm getting at and when you go to replace those worn pads you will have too much fluid in the system which WILL cause seals to burst and lines (especially rubber lines). Ask a competent mechanic (not one who's doing a speed job but really working on the system) and he'll tell you the same thing. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy; Brian NAB02) Date: 08/12/1999 3:04 PM I find flaw with your theroy.... If I start with a system that I would consider optimal.. brand new pads, and a master cylinder that's full (to the full line, maybe a little above) - I should NEVER be placing undue pressue on the system. Nor should I ever have to fill the system. It's possible that if you have a bad seal, water will get into the fluid and cause it to swell a little - but then you'd notice mushy brakes aswell.... If you fill the resivoir when the pads are used, then you try to install new pads, then you have to worry about what you were mentioning.... Just from my experience working on my personal bikes, and a few race-bikes (doing pads every other weekend for Collin.. sheesh). Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 15:21:24 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08614 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812191948.28929.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.150] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:19:48 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:19:48 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: PGCC has 4 seats open for tonights class To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of you in maryland who have friends who want to take the MSF class, the class starting tonight has 4 vacancies. It was six, but i notified 2 friends. 301-322-0871 to get your name on the registration list. (no walk in/standby waiting required). The hours are tonigh 6 pm to 9 pm fri night 6 to 9 pm sat and sunday from around 8 am to 3 or something like that. upon completion of the course you get paperwork which lets you go pickup your class M liscense at the MVA, no riding test required there, nor learners permit/test required. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 15:39:39 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08880 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812193912.26498.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.70.70.146] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:39:12 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Bay Bridge traffic on Friday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually I plan on taking 395 North (HOV), into DC, onto PA Ave, to 295 North, and catch 50 East from there, avoiding the WW bridge altogether. Thanks for all the info, I wasn't sure how early the Bay Bridge starts loading up, looks like I'll be fine. Louis --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Hey shouldn't see any bridge traffic going that way (north on 95). That > side backs up in the afternoon, not in the morning. > > Glenn > > > > >If you are on the road by 7AM the only bridge traffic you are going to see > >in the Wilson Bridge! Seriously, start a few hours later to avoid the DC > >rush. > > >You will not run into Bay Bridge traffic before 3PM, usless there is an > >accident. Have fun riding the bridge. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 15:54:37 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09148 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A67827F01DC; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:54:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990812154542.00da1300@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:49:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Hayabusa with sidecar -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:59 PM 8/12/99 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Yeah, these things only lean one way--wrong! Snap it into a >right-hander, and you'll put some wide stripes in yer shorts. > >Joe That depends on how the rig is setup and how skilled the driver is (you drive a sidecar rig, you ride a motorcycle). Yes, with the sidecar on the right, a right-hand turn will tend to lift the sidecar if taken too fast and without using good technique - for example, dragging the front brake will help keep the car down). Some sidecar drivers use ballast if there's no passenger. Good sidecar drivers can spank squids on two wheels. And good sidecar drivers can keep up with good riders on 2-wheelers. Many racetracks have lap records held by sidecars - they can corner much faster than 2-wheelers. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:21:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09765 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-223.patriot.net [209.249.180.223]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00874; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:20:54 -0400 Message-ID: <37B32BAB.7D858D8C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:16:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Poser Alley (was Annoying Gun Thread) References: <852567CB.004D4AD3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been a spell since I've gone down there. Wed nite and supposedly thru Sat nite at the foot of King Street by the Alamo. I've seen around 60 bikes there on some nites. Bill christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Brian might have been referring to his turn one "incident" at the endurance > race recently. Or maybe wheelies, but I don't see any reason to avoid > those! ;^) > > I've wondered where and when this "Poser Alley" thing was. I went down to > Old Town one time hoping to see some other bikes, but never spotted one. > When did you see them down there? I assume they congregate down by the > river on King(?) Street. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > From: Bill Huson > > Wheels on the ground? Oh my, did you recently have an intimate affair with > the > asphalt? I hate when that happens. Have a safe trip. > > Sure, I'm always up for a party. Pick a place. You guys ever hit poser > alley in > Old Towne Alexandria? Neat collection of bikes. Quite a few custom harleys > - > really custom - and a few vintage machines. > > Bill > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:21:29 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09774 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:20:30 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:20:26 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:19:18 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hayabusa with sidecar -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> Chris Norloff - 8/12/99 3:49 PM >>> At 02:59 PM 8/12/99 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Yeah, these things only lean one way--wrong! Snap it into a >right-hander, and you'll put some wide stripes in yer shorts. > >Joe That depends on how the rig is setup and how skilled the driver is (you drive a sidecar rig, you ride a motorcycle). Yes, with the sidecar on the right, a right-hand turn will tend to lift the sidecar if taken too fast and without using good technique - for example, dragging the front brake will help keep the car down). Some sidecar drivers use ballast if there's no passenger. Good sidecar drivers can spank squids on two wheels. And good sidecar drivers can keep up with good riders on 2-wheelers. Many racetracks have lap records held by sidecars - they can corner much faster than 2-wheelers. Have seen the "worms" in person on the track and been duly impressed. On TV watching the Isle of Man TT, saw a rider get knocked off when he leaned into a stone fence--OUCH! Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:21:32 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09775 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:21:29 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA27071; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:21:43 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa18533; Thu, 12 Aug 99 16:09:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGD00JXAC3SRO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.006E952D ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:07:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:46:31 -0400 Subject: Loudon M'Sports Track Day Sep. 7 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.006DC76E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Loudon Motorsports is planning a track day at Summit Point on September 7th. Give them a call at (703) 777-1652 for more info. Chris '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:26:40 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09806 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-223.patriot.net [209.249.180.223]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01293; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37B32CC0.D2135803@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:21:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) References: <19990812145533.6631.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen cup holders on bikes. And for sale at a few bike shops. Has anyone tried strapping a sipper jug on the back of your helmet and running a tube up to your mouth? Bill coffeeholic John Whiteside wrote: > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > I think I've seen these in JC Whitney catalogs. > > click here.... > > http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/shoponline/cycle1.htm > > ....to get a free catalog. > > If anyone tries to use one of these I'd love to know > how it actually works. I hate to admit it but it > sounds handy. > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:30:35 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09993 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:30:33 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA02709; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:31:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa21080; Thu, 12 Aug 99 16:13:12 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGD00JX5C7DW8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CB.006EC834 ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:09:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:42:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Who's up for a ride next saturday after this one. . WAS (Re: Taking a break...) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CB.006D6F03.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I'd be up for a ride some time on Saturday afternoon or Sunday. I'd like to go to the Loudon Motorsports open house on Saturday morning, but aside from that I'm free any time this weekend. I'd prefer Virginia, but I'd be willing to do Maryland for a change. Chris '98 VTR To: Bruce Norton , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX cc: From: ITM Quick! let's schedule a ride! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:34:49 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10003 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-223.patriot.net [209.249.180.223]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02260; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:34:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37B32EE7.259E3552@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:30:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bay Bridge traffic on Friday References: <19990812174141.20220.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem at 8ish. The jams don't get going good until late afternoon. Be sure to stay to the left a handful of miles east of the bridge so you don't get squeezed off onto Rt 50. 301 is a lot calmer than I-95. Nice ride. Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Tomorrow I plan on trying a new way up to (and through) the New Jersey > Turnpike. Normally I take I-95 all the way up, through Baltimore, and to the > Delaware Memorial Bridge. This time I plan on trying to take Rt 50 East, over > the Bay Bridge, then 301 North to Delaware. > > I know the Bay Bridge tends to get backed up with the ocean going traffic on > weekends. When do the jams usually start? My goal is to be on the road (from > Alex, VA) by 7:00 am, but anything can happen. > > Thanks for any feedback, > > Louis > > === > Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA > 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 > "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton > http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:38:04 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10100 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812203821.19203.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:38:21 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:38:21 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I wasn't thinking so much about drinking while riding as just transporting it to a suitable location for drinking. i.e. morning runs to Java Shack on the bike. --- Bill Huson wrote: > I've seen cup holders on bikes. And for sale at a > few bike shops. > Has anyone tried strapping a sipper jug on the back > of your helmet and > running a tube up to your mouth? === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:54:42 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10382 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990812205306.732.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:53:06 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bay Bridge traffic on Friday To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Traffic? On a motorcycle? I'm sorry, but I don't know what you are referring to. The cages start to backup at the toll booth around 4pm. But, they open up an east-bound lane on the west-bound side of the Bay Bridge on Fridays, though, and it has actually been quite manageable getting over to the shore, even on Friday's during rush hour. The only problems I run into are on the beltway getting to US 50. But, since you're leaving at 7am you shouldn't have any problems other than the normal rush hour beltway crap...and there's always lane-splitting for that. On 50, you'll inevitably run into the occasional driver doing 55 in the left lane (the 'I have a right to be here' type). Just give 'em a buzz-by, babe. Enjoy the trip...if you make it over to Atlantic City, play Black 24, and double on all 11s. See ya. -- tg --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Tomorrow I plan on trying a new way up to (and > through) the New Jersey > Turnpike. Normally I take I-95 all the way up, > through Baltimore, and to the > Delaware Memorial Bridge. This time I plan on > trying to take Rt 50 East, over > the Bay Bridge, then 301 North to Delaware. > > I know the Bay Bridge tends to get backed up with > the ocean going traffic on > weekends. When do the jams usually start? My goal > is to be on the road (from > Alex, VA) by 7:00 am, but anything can happen. > > Thanks for any feedback, > > Louis > > === > Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 16:57:29 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10469 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-243-175.s175.tnt11.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.243.175]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id QAA06788; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:57:13 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 99 16:52:05 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii CamelBak is the answer. 32 oz-64 oz capacity insulated bladders you wear as a backpack. Have a tube with a one way valve and you can buy an insulator for the tube as well. $25-40 I believe, but I dunno how much the 64 oz ones are. Very nice though, many will have seen mine. Certaily keeps my water cold for hours if packed with ice, I'd imagine it would do decently with hot stuff as well(if, of course, you want to drink coffee from a straw). greg --- On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:21:20 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >I've seen cup holders on bikes. And for sale at a few bike shops. >Has anyone tried strapping a sipper jug on the back of your helmet and >running a tube up to your mouth? > >Bill >coffeeholic > >John Whiteside wrote: > >> --- Todd Peer wrote: >> > I think I've seen these in JC Whitney catalogs. >> > click here.... >> > http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/shoponline/cycle1.htm >> > ....to get a free catalog. >> >> If anyone tries to use one of these I'd love to know >> how it actually works. I hate to admit it but it >> sounds handy. >> >> === >> John Whiteside >> Arlington, VA >> jwhiteside@XXXXXX >> _________________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/12/99 HSTA/AMA 4:52:05 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 17:08:28 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10668 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:07:36 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:07:22 -0400 Message-Id: <37B33812.24B2B37D@trw.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:09:50 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rode as a monkey on a racing sidecar, once. Here are the gory details: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1247/monkey.html I am curious to know which tracks have their outright track record held by a sidecar rig. I know from firsthand experience that they corner more quickly than a bike, or at least that they can brake much deeper, however they don't seem to accelerate nearly as quickly. I don't doubt the spirit in which the statement was made, but I really feel, having ridden/raced both on a track, that the two-wheeler is faster. Randy Moran ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/r_moran.jpg JOE NAGY wrote in part: > >>Good sidecar drivers can spank squids on two wheels. And good sidecar > drivers can keep up with good riders on 2-wheelers. Many racetracks have > lap records held by sidecars - they can corner much faster than > 2-wheelers.<< From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 17:14:43 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10798 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 00:12:38 UT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:13 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Who's up for a ride next saturday after this one. . W Message-ID: <19990812171457698-a68dedc@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeannette and I along with some of our friends are trying to put together something for Sunday... probably heading up towards Front Royal and doing 211 and such. You're more than welcome to tag along. I ride at a pretty good clip... should be fun! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Who's up for a ride next saturday after this one. . WAS Author: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: 08/12/1999 3:42 PM I'd be up for a ride some time on Saturday afternoon or Sunday. I'd like to go to the Loudon Motorsports open house on Saturday morning, but aside from that I'm free any time this weekend. I'd prefer Virginia, but I'd be willing to do Maryland for a change. Chris '98 VTR To: Bruce Norton , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX cc: From: ITM Quick! let's schedule a ride! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 17:51:23 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11485 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (216-164-223-231.s231.tnt2.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.223.231]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00411; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a201bee50c$d3045f80$e7dfa4d8@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: Taking a break... Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:51:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I must agree with Anita, this list has gone astray. I come home in the evening and read maybe half a dozen e-mails and delete the rest. My delete button is tired. I haven't decided whether or not to unsub but I'm getting close. We definitely need to get back to motorcycles and riding. That's my 2 cents. See ya, Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 PS A quick thanks to Anita for the group rides this summer. I've thought about setting up a weekend ride but since I'm still in the learning stage I decide against it. -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:19 AM Subject: Taking a break... >Ya know.. this list just ain't my cup of tea any longer. I'm going to unsub >for a while and check back in a month or two. > >If anyone wants to do anything really crazy, like go for a ride sometime, >please email me directly at 2xracers@XXXXXX. > >Enjoy the rest of the summer! >Anita > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 18:37:05 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from vopmail.dclink.com (207-168-31-7.gw.eni.net [207.168.31.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12302 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dawnjon (04-192.007.popsite.net [209.100.18.192]) by vopmail.dclink.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.179) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <010501bee4f1$72af60a0$c01264d1@dawnjon> From: "Jon Schumer" To: "DC Cycles" References: <19990812151755190-9fdb730@fanniemaefoundation.org> Subject: Re: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:35:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > You are supposed to fill the system as the brakes wear down... that's what I'm > getting at...... I have to disagree. Like Brian mentioned - new pads, full resevior - you won't have to refill the resevior as the fluid goes down, unless your pads are well worn down or you have an external leak. This is assuming you have enough capacity in your master cylinder resevior....... >and when you go to replace those worn pads you will have too much > fluid in the system which WILL cause seals to burst and lines (especially rubber > lines). If you are filling up the resevior while your pads wear and then you push the pistons back into the calipers when you put new pads in and DON'T take some of that extra fluid out of the resevior, yeah, you can burst a seal or line. Not likely, but possible. The fluid has to go somewhere. It will find the easiest way out(resevior cap, piston seal, banjo bolt, etc.) or it won't and you won't be able to push the piston in. The resevior cap seal is pretty weak, you'll most likely see fluid dripping down on your cherry paint work..... > Ask a competent mechanic (not one who's doing a speed job but really working on > the system) and he'll tell you the same thing. > Tom > '86 VFR750 No one asked me. 8^P I'm not saying the same thing, though.... Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 19:08:52 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12894 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:08:51 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id bMVMa13743 (4239); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43383c98.24e4adcb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:07:55 EDT Subject: Re: Taking a break... To: bnorton@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/12/1999 11:38:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bnorton@XXXXXX writes: << This is really sad. One of the lists most active members bailing because of the terrible signal-to-noise ratio. How many of you have been on and enjoyed Anita's rides more than discussing (arguing and insulting each other) about topics that belong on other lists. I know, I know, free speech and all that crap, but I've seen several other lists degenerate in this way recently. Yes, you do have the right to say and discuss just about anything but please consider others when you make your comments. Preparing to be massively flamed for my opinions, Bruce >> Why? I agree with you. I'm sadened to see Anita go also. :-( Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 19:33:54 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13313 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-79.patriot.net [209.249.180.79]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18527 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:33:51 -0400 Message-ID: <37B358E4.7F3406EE@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:29:40 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need a new tee shirt ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.bikertees.com/index.html Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 20:05:26 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13875 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from ip150.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip150.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.150]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20384 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:05:20 -0700 (PDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike Subject: RE: 95 suzuki 600 (katana?) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:04:22 GMT Message-ID: <37b387d6.156909759@news.gte.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I decided not to buy the bike, as I was afraid of not being able to get a replacement title soon enough, and also didn't want to go through all the complications. I didn't want to wait a month to get the thing titled, and wasn't sure i could get it titled. Also, I dropped my bike today (for the first time) (in the grass) I hadn't opened my gate up wide enough, and I wasn't coming straight out in the first place, coming from an angle oposite the opening, I realised the turn would be too sharp, I had too much lean on the bike, and the fence was right in the way for me to get in proper position to hold the bike up, so I had to let it go down. It went on my shin and was hurting my ankle and I hurriedly got out from under it. So I took that as a bad sign.... Then.. later, I was about to put my helmet under my bungee net, and while fooling with teh net, i had the helmet on top, and it just rolled off and fell onto the curb. no real harm done, small scratch on the visor. Second bad sign. I didn't even test ride the 95 suzuki 600. already had two bad omens.. So I'll stick with the bike I have :) Daniel 92 Ninja 250 Re: ------------------------ A friend of mine purchased a (95 I think) suzuki 600. Aparantly the previous owner was killed (non bike related). The bike was sitting in the yard and my friend inquired about it to his friend (victims brother), and baught the bike for $500. It was pretty ugly then, no front fairing, needing a paint job, no windscreen... and the title was never found. My friend had it painted ($150), got fairings somewhere, and now the bike looks pretty good. He said he had the shop put new tires and brakes on the bike front and back, new windscreen, and it may or may not have been state inspected, i"m not sure. I asked him what was wrong with the bike, and he said it didnt' have a title.. and then he described all the stuff he put on it, and then mentioned sometimes the bike doesn't go into gear properly, like sometimes it's hard to find neutral. He said he asked the mechanic at the bike shop about it, and he told him what it could be but couldn't quite remember, but it didn't sound like it was too bad. I've done a deja news search on "hard to find nuetral" and from what I gather, at best it could be just a little quirk, at worst it could need work that would require the engine to be pulled to fix. So considering what I know, what do YOU think? Getting a title might cost anywhere from $60 to $200 I guess? And what about the gear selector problem.. ? He's going to let me take it for a test ride tomorrow after he gets off of work. Is there anything I should look for? He's selling it for only $800 which seems like a pretty good deal, even if I have to put some money into it.. What do you think? And yes I can call the local police and they'll run a vin # over the phone to make sure it wasn't stolen (and my friend wasn't fooled). BTW if I can get this bike on the road soon, (hopefully with little cost) I can sell my current bike to my friend and make a $500 profit. (92 ninja 250) So what do you think? ITM 92' Kawasaki Ninja ex250 (first bike leave me alone!! :) ) Maryland USA (right across the Wash DC line) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 21:24:38 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15036 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-245.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.245]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26173 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:24:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00cf01bee52a$66cab3a0$f5a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Bay Bridge traffic on Friday Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:23:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Yes. And the Lewes Ferry and the Garden State are a wonderful, relaxing, fair weather combination to get to that country. Hit the ferry in a drizzle (barely miscalculated a front passage) a couple of months ago for quite an adventure. Wet steel decks, 20K breezes (fortunately off the bow, not the side, but still rocking the boat), etc. etc. At one point on leaving I tried for boot traction and there was none. Can only attribute survival then to the good Lord and balance heightened by the rolling trip. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Doesn't turn green on a rolling boat. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer ...snip >Enjoy the trip...if you make it over to Atlantic City, >play Black 24, and double on all 11s. See ya. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 21:35:16 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15292 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-245.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.245]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26463; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: <00d401bee52b$e1c52260$f5a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Gil Nissley" , Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:33:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Have the AMA International (US & Can) Help 'N Hands card in my travel pouch all the time. (They say the quickest number is 1 800 342 5464). I just checked and they will provide 3 nearby (cities) names and numbers to any motorcyclist in trouble. I send them a small donation at their request every year (this partly from guilt because not having a 4-wheeler I can't provide help). Knock wood I haven't needed them yet. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Me tough. Always go with key in. (Ahh yes. The Comet, Titanic,..) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Gil Nissley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 3:27 AM Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides > FYI,for anyone when they're out of the area,the AMA has a very good nation-wide towing program. Would've come in handy with my Buells. > 1-800-AMA-JOIN. > > > >The BuellBoy Emeritus. > >dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > >'98 Dyna Convertible > > >Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: >http://www.handleit.net > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 21:56:20 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15553 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-245.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.245]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26953 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00fa01bee52e$b50df640$f5a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: bike accessories -Reply Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:53:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Head in the clouds I loosely cogitate: With my bike's newly installed Vista cruise control (works like a charm) With coffee holder (to get, below) With a small tray on the gas tank (to fabricate), a small frig and microwave (for sidecar?) and With some kind of to-be-designed gizmo between my knee(s) and the handlebars -- MEALS ON WHEELS Laugh. They dissed Columbus. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Yummy. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 2:56 PM Subject: bike accessories -Reply >Marcy wrote: > >how about a cup holder? I'm serious. I want to be able to mount my >coffee cup >(the insulated kind with a lid) on the bike and take it with me. Or stop >at >McDonalds and bring home a coke.... > >Assuming you want a more "factory" solution that the stadium cup/hose >clamp rig: Bike Buoy. $13.99, handlebar clamp is 5.99 from D.Kirk. We >must not have any Wingers on the list; I rarely see a Wing without at >least one of these. > >joe > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 22:57:48 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16631 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:57:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uTZPa23997 (3962); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b220e5d.24e4e381@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:57:05 EDT Subject: Re: bike accessories To: TZell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 This is exactly the kind of childish insulting I'm talking about. What'd I ever do to you Tom? Marcy In a message dated 8/12/99 10:49:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TZell@XXXXXX writes: << Get off the bike and go buy a car... it would suit you better. Tom '86 VFR750 >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 23:03:49 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16760 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:03:48 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id mJKVa01400 (3962); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:02:48 EDT Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/12/99 11:05:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johncx500@XXXXXX writes: << If anyone tries to use one of these I'd love to know how it actually works. I hate to admit it but it sounds handy. >> I first thought of it one day when I was on my way home, stopped at McDonald's, bought food and a coke (cause I didn't have any at home) and then had to very carefully stow the coke in my backpack and hope the pressure didn't pop the lid off the top ... figured it'd be a lot easier with a cupholder ... M. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 23:05:42 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16847 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:05:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2LFAa02406 (3962) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1624c93f.24e4e53f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:04:31 EDT Subject: Re: bike accessories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 got it guys - thanks! :D Marcy In a message dated 8/12/99 11:19:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Got one on the Wing. Cost about $15. Mounts on tubular handlebars. Seen 'em at Atlantic and Coleman. I can look up some URL's in Wing World if interested. >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 23:09:10 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16857 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2WSVa22757 (3962) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:08:25 EDT Subject: Re: bike accessories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/12/99 1:13:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, itm_2k@XXXXXX writes: << --- Tom Zell wrote: > Get off the bike and go buy a car... it would suit you better. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 Oh and btw I'm pretty sure most of us have cars, but we are on the bike at the time! We want to transport the food/drink, not drink and drive. >> exactly. I figured that was obvious. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 23:13:49 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16947 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2LZWa22756 (3962) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <72b0d6de.24e4e747@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:13:11 EDT Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/12/99 4:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << Has anyone tried strapping a sipper jug on the back of your helmet and running a tube up to your mouth? >> if you want to go THAT route go to your nearest bicycle shop and ask for the "camelback" ....it's a backpack style insulated bag that you fill with water typically, and a hose that runs right to your mouth. :D but you'll look awfully silly! Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 12 23:33:23 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17264 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.151]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:27:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bee53c$32fea420$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990812145533.6631.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The one I have works fairly well. Problem is that even the smoothest bike bumps more than a car, so carbonated beverages go flat fast. Also, you'll either need a 3/4 or 1/2 helmet, or you'll have to be creative with sticking a straw into your full face. I really wouldn't recommend for commuting unless you frequently stop. The only time I've liked it while moving is out in the middle of nowhere. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > If anyone tries to use one of these I'd love to know > how it actually works. I hate to admit it but it > sounds handy. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 06:17:56 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25281 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id GAA16472 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id GAA04537; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:17:04 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5628@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Roadster Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:17:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain George wrote... >Probably don't even want to hear about my new bike. You'll never guess what >brand it is;) (Picked up a new Roadster tonight...) Cool! Another Norton owner! The Interstates are good too ;) >Leasing instead of buying Wait... You can *lease* them? ;) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 06:42:31 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25647 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20355 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDHFVV>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:47:44 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87E7@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:47:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Marcy, > Oh and btw I'm pretty sure most of us have cars, but we are on > the bike at the time! We want to transport the food/drink, not > drink and drive. >> Since I have seen a lot of high-dollar ideas post, thought I would offer a Big-K kinda solution. I have free coffee--oil of the software development industry--at work so I only have to transport food. Were I to need to pack coffee, I would just go and get a thermos, if I discovered that the glass-lined plastic kind could not take the pounding, I would then upgrade the lining to steel or plastic--like in kid's lunch boxes--that would not break for sure. Food I just put in grocery bags and stuff into my backpack, or just cord down on top. One trick I have used for bread and the like is to double bag then only secure the knot on top of the bag to the bike with cords--no smashed goodies. Cheap, but effective. Have a great day, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 06:52:29 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25795 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id GAA03820; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id GAA04423; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:51:53 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5629@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'bnorton@XXXXXX'" Subject: VFR Front Brake pad replacement Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:51:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Mark, You may already know this, but... Be *very* careful not to drip brake fluid on any painted parts. Brake fluid makes a pretty effective paint stripper. Good luck, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling Bruce wrote... >> mark wrote... >> I am going to try and replace my front brake pads myself (with EBC pads, >> are they good?). Any advice before I start (I am using the Clymer manual)? >> Do I need to bleed the system afterwards? >...but flushing the system and >filling with fresh fluid is almost always a good idea. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 07:20:37 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26256 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-104.patriot.net [209.249.180.104]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA21432; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:20:33 -0400 Message-ID: <37B3FE85.74D424B8@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:16:21 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) References: <72b0d6de.24e4e747@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/99 4:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > << Has anyone tried strapping a sipper jug on the back of your helmet and > running a tube up to your mouth? >> > > if you want to go THAT route go to your nearest bicycle shop and ask for the > "camelback" ....it's a backpack style insulated bag that you fill with water > typically, and a hose that runs right to your mouth. :D > > but you'll look awfully silly! > Marcy Actually, I would have enjoyed looking silly last August when I decided to do a deep south tour.Average day temp 95. I cold use two camalbacks - one for drinking and one to hose my body down. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 07:35:24 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26474 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-104.patriot.net [209.249.180.104]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA22080; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37B401F6.48E21AB4@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:31:02 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Jay CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87E7@tralfaz.treev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quick coffee tip. Camping, get up in the AM and need a caffiene fix? Insert one spoon of instant in mouth - add a slug of leftover soda or water - shake head vigorously - *gulp* YUM! Bill Michael Jay wrote: > Hi Marcy, > > > Oh and btw I'm pretty sure most of us have cars, but we are on > > the bike at the time! We want to transport the food/drink, not > > drink and drive. >> > > Since I have seen a lot of high-dollar ideas post, thought I > would offer a Big-K kinda solution. > > I have free coffee--oil of the software development > industry--at work so I only have to transport food. > > Were I to need to pack coffee, I would just go and get a > thermos, if I discovered that the glass-lined plastic kind > could not take the pounding, I would then upgrade the lining > to steel or plastic--like in kid's lunch boxes--that would > not break for sure. > > Food I just put in grocery bags and stuff into my backpack, or > just cord down on top. One trick I have used for bread and the > like is to double bag then only secure the knot on top of the bag > to the bike with cords--no smashed goodies. > > Cheap, but effective. > > Have a great day, > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 08:19:46 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27456 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD5C9CF01B4; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:19:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813075141.00cf4990@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:54:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar In-Reply-To: <37B33812.24B2B37D@trw.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:09 PM 8/12/99 , Randy Moran wrote: >I am curious to know which tracks have their outright track record held by >a sidecar rig. I know from firsthand experience that they corner more >quickly than a bike, or at least that they can brake much deeper, however >they don't seem to accelerate nearly as quickly. I don't doubt the spirit >in which the statement was made, but I really feel, having ridden/raced >both on a track, that the two-wheeler is faster. The only specifics I can recall is from Speedvision recently talking about the Isle of Man - I think they said the course record was held by a sidecar rig. It depends a lot on the rig, driver, and monkey (of course) but since sidecars can put much more rubber on the road, they can carry more powerful engines. And since they don't have the inherent balance problems of a 2-wheeler (lose traction and fall over) they can corner up to their maximum speed relatively easily. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 08:20:02 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27459 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20625 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDHFXS>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:25:33 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87E8@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riders stopping, Now weekend incident (long) Non-moto Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:25:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Tom, >noticed kinda hiding out. At this point Jeannette notices what's going on and >decides that we should move as the whole time they were walking around behind us >making gestures to one another. When we started to leave, they began to follow >us shouting, "Don't run away now... y'all got shit to face!" We went as quickly What happened to the days when cops could beat the snot out of these kinds of creeps and then charge them from resisting arrest? Just like when I was a kid. >fear for my own life and I was not being paranoid. When you think of the Crips >and Bloods, this is what we had to deal with... the real thing. And what made >everything worse and what makes me "cynical" is the fact that not one person >that we tried to help in that line made one attempt to help us. Not one. Truly, I cannot believe that the punks could get in the park if the security staff knew these bangers. My rage at your story is as much at the KD staff as at the crowd around you. Also, if nothing else, someone in the crowd should have run for help to get the police or whatever KD has. Needless to say, I won't be going to that amusement park. Man, am I pissed off! But, in regards to whether I would stop for someone, each situation would require that I scope out the area then make a decision based on the conditions. One time at the grocery store, some guy asked for a ride to the Metro, the little voice in my head went off, so I just said "sorry, gotta get home to my wife and kid." And that was that, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 08:26:26 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@[216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27768 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [216.181.79.203]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA30357 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:25:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Roadside Assistance was Re: Riders stopping for other riders, etc In-Reply-To: <00d401bee52b$e1c52260$f5a4fccd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Following on the "roadside assistance" thread, For any Honda riders out there, I highly recommend the Honda Riders Club. Was on a recent ride with several other Honda riders. The one guy in the group who wasn't who wasn't riding an HRC covered bike, an old VF700, broke down. We called HRC and, after some talking, managed to get them to find a tow truck on a Sunday morning, in BFN North Carolina, for someone who wasn't technically a member. The rider had to pay for the tow, but, finding who was open and getting them to find us was really the hard part. The truck ended up being a flatbed, without any straps, but they managed to safely haul the bike to someplace it could be fixed. Oh, and, cell phones, especially ones that work almost anywhere there's service, are, I'm convinved, a must have for a rider. Call it cheap insurance or an addition to your tool kit, if you want. And, while we're at it, a thanks for Collin, who a while back, helped me out by doing a pick-up-truck-a-dead-FJ1200-to-the-nearest-bike-store for me. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 08:30:52 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1104.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.124]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27984 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813123039.3028.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:30:39 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is why I like places that give you drinks in cans (which kind of solves the problem in an easier way). --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/99 11:05:58 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > johncx500@XXXXXX writes: > > << > If anyone tries to use one of these I'd love to > know > how it actually works. I hate to admit it but it > sounds handy. >> > > I first thought of it one day when I was on my way > home, stopped at > McDonald's, bought food and a coke (cause I didn't > have any at home) and then > had to very carefully stow the coke in my backpack > and hope the pressure > didn't pop the lid off the top ... figured it'd be a > lot easier with a > cupholder ... > > M. > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 08:31:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27994 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A02697F0230; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:31:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813083230.00ce7bf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:32:53 -0400 To: Randy Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar In-Reply-To: <37B33812.24B2B37D@trw.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:09 PM 8/12/99 , Randy Moran wrote: >I rode as a monkey on a racing sidecar, once. Here are the gory details: > >http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1247/monkey.html That's a great tale ... thanks. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 08:35:39 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28159 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813123239.29634.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:32:39 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of mine just got one of these things for bicycling and absolutely swears by it. I saw it when i was visiting him up on Cape Cod... it's pretty nifty. --- Bill Huson wrote: > Actually, I would have enjoyed looking silly last > August when I decided to do a > deep south tour.Average day temp 95. I cold use two > camalbacks - one for > drinking and one to hose my body down. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 08:41:33 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28212 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:41:31 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA14820; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:41:58 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa13970; Fri, 13 Aug 99 08:40:57 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGE000AVM0KGS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.004587CF ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:39:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:37:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Roadside Assistance was Re: Riders stopping for other riders, etc To: Dan Brown Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.00456CBE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL <<> Hum, maybe I should just tear up my AMA MoTow card and get Collin's phone #. Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Dan Brown Date: 08/13/99 12:25:42 PM GMT Subject: Roadside Assistance was Re: Riders stopping for other riders, etc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Dan Brown Date: 08/13/99 12:25:42 PM GMT Subject: Roadside Assistance was Re: Riders stopping for other riders, etc -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 08:45:27 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28527 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA18378; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:46:02 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017636; Fri, 13 Aug 99 08:44:46 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGE000GLM77GS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.0045E48A ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:43:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:42:49 -0400 Subject: Please recommend a route to NYC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.0045DF49.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, Noelle and I decided to ride up to NYC this weekend to see the Dalai Lama speak in Central Park. Can anyone recommend a route that avoids 95 and the NJ turnpike as much as possible? Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 09:29:13 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29216 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:28:23 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:28:13 -0400 Message-Id: <37B41DF8.C20553D7@trw.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:30:33 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar References: <4.2.0.58.19990813083230.00ce7bf0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the kind words, Chris. Yeah, I can believe that the Isle of Man would be better suited to a sidecar, for the reasons you listed. A bike rider could lose it a lot more easily, "hanging it out," on a course like that. Those guys are truly touched in the head. They had some sidecars up at Summit last year. It really is fun to watch someone else doing that. Whenever someone tells you you're crazy for riding a bike, you can simply point to the hacks. Chris Norloff wrote: > At 05:09 PM 8/12/99 , Randy Moran wrote: > >I rode as a monkey on a racing sidecar, once. Here are the gory details: > > > >http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1247/monkey.html > > That's a great tale ... thanks. > > Chris Norloff -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG voice (703) 648-0122 fax (703) 648-2448 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 09:31:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29300 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE3A102201E8; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:31:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813093127.00cdfbf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:32:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar In-Reply-To: <37B41DF8.C20553D7@trw.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19990813083230.00ce7bf0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:30 AM 8/13/99 , Randy Moran wrote: >Those guys are truly touched in the head. They had some sidecars up at >Summit last year. It really is fun to watch someone else doing that. >Whenever someone tells you you're crazy for riding a bike, you can simply >point to the hacks. I was checking out the sidecars at Loudon one year, and one of them had painted, upside down, on the body work "If you can read this, please turn me over." :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 09:50:03 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29608 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813134956.3025.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:49:56 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Please snip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's been a while since anyone's mentioned it, so I will... When you'r replying to list messages PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE snip any unncecessary comment from your reply.. the digest has been 200k and 160k for the past two days respectfully, and I'd guess over 80% of it has been reposts of the entire gun flame thread!! I'm all for flame wars, I love guns, girls, and all that other stuff, but I HATE having to scroll for half an hour just to find a new message!!! :) WEll.. gotta run to class for a bit then off to ohio for some serious racing action!!!c'mon out.. it's only a 5 hour drive! :) Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 09:56:42 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29636 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA25529; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:57:04 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023126; Fri, 13 Aug 99 09:53:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGE006OEPB8EP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.004C091A ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:50:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:48:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Taking a break... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.004BEAAF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've seen people leave other lists (Usenet, mostly) for the same reasons. We need to remember that this list is only what WE make it. If you're not satisfied with the threads, start some interesting ones! Ask about some bike-related topic that's been creeping around in the back of your mind for a while. Regale us with your latest riding story. Tell us about some great roads that you've found. Post some interesting links you've found. Whatever you do, don't leave the list blaming others for ruining it for you. YOU have the power to make it what you want it to be. Refuse to be a victim!!! :^) Chris '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:02:36 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29805 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:02:02 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:01:52 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:01:10 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Holy crap. Well done--that's the first time I've gotten the perspective from a "normal" person. Back when two-strokes ruled the big weekend at BIR, I'd talk to the monkeys and they're very nonchalant. I also noticed that they wore the most "broken in" leathers in the paddock. Joe >>> Randy Moran - 8/12/99 5:09 PM >>> I rode as a monkey on a racing sidecar, once. Here are the gory details: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1247/monkey.html I am curious to know which tracks have their outright track record held by a sidecar rig. I know from firsthand experience that they corner more quickly than a bike, or at least that they can brake much deeper, however they don't seem to accelerate nearly as quickly. I don't doubt the spirit in which the statement was made, but I really feel, having ridden/raced both on a track, that the two-wheeler is faster. Randy Moran ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/r_moran.jpg JOE NAGY wrote in part: > >>Good sidecar drivers can spank squids on two wheels. And good sidecar > drivers can keep up with good riders on 2-wheelers. Many racetracks have > lap records held by sidecars - they can corner much faster than > 2-wheelers.<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:07:35 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29884 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21848 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDHGBC>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:13:04 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87EB@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Liberty (was RE: Re[2]: Riders stopping for other riders) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:13:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John, >say, Texas). We're not going to change each other's Exactly how much time have you spent in Texas? >If only the children had concealed weapons! My dad and other family were teaching me to shoot when I was in 2nd grade while staying summers in Sweetwater, Texas. Later in my 20s, my uncle taught me how to use a bolt-action rifle in one night such that the next day I got a spine shot on a deer. Yummy. >would fall into what this unrepentant Massachusetts >liberal would call the "gun nut" category, I'll just Life west of the Mississippi differs quite a bit from the point of view here on the east. As a practical matter, firearms proliferate in our society so the real issue is proper training and respect as well as enforcement of existing laws regarding the stewardship of possessing and discharging of firearms. Moreover, I have never fired a gun in my life--pistols and rifles maybe, but not one time have I fired a gun, though, I hear shotguns are popular in Europe from one of my friends who was an officer in the Navy. Besides, I think if I was a new-englander I would have lived in New Hampshire. Just like John Stark. Living free, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:08:19 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net (sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29902 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:08:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhcce22317; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:09:10 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567CC.004DEB86 ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:11:05 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567CC.004DE992.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:06:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Please snip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Good luck, Collin! Win one for us DC types! : ) Hell, win a few! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:15:56 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00188 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22039 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDHGCQ>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D87EC@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riders stopping for other riders - GUNS! Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:21:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well Bill, Do personnel attacks qualify as a joke? Sarcasm comes from the Greek word which means "to cut." I have really enjoyed many of your posts as very clever and funny, but did you read Tom's post about the punks at KD. Stirring the barrel is fun, but beating someone with the stick rather hurts. Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:20:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00272 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18752 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15539 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FGE00HF9QGU4S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:21:50 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Kids and Guns (Humor) To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <004101bee597$2f3cf8e0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) With all the sadness and debates about guns and kids...this should serve as a tension break for you all... This is an excerpt of a National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Army Lieutenant General Reinwald about sponsoring a Boy Scout Troop on his military installation. Interviewer: "So, LTG Reinwald, what are you going to do with these young boys on their adventure holiday?" LTG Reinwald: "We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting." Interviewer: "Shooting!" That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?" LTG Reinwald: "I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range." Interviewer: "Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?" LTG Reinwald: " I don't see how, we will be teaching them proper range discipline before they even touch a firearm." Interviewer: " But you're equipping them to become violent killers. LTG Reinwald: " Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one,.... are you?" End of the interview Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com Bike Pics: http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:21:06 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00284 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.127]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:15:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , Subject: RE: Roadster Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bee596$4fd58140$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5628@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not a Norton. A BMW Roadster. Sorry to disappoint:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > >Probably don't even want to hear about my new bike. You'll never > guess what > >brand it is;) (Picked up a new Roadster tonight...) > > Cool! Another Norton owner! The Interstates are good too ;) > > >Leasing instead of buying > > Wait... You can *lease* them? ;) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:34:20 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00448 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id KAA22202 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990813103519.00794c30@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:35:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: accident Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Friend of a friend witnessed a two bike accident yesterday on Old Dominion Drive in McLean. All the details I heard were: two sportbikes, full helmets, jeans and leather jackets and lots of blood. Anybody know anything else, is everyone OK??? Lisa Goddard '95 VFR 750 Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:34:33 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00450 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:34:31 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA26781; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:35:05 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa22665; Fri, 13 Aug 99 10:28:52 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGE00E2WQXVXX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.004F42B5 ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:25:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:13:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Please snip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.004F26DA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Collin wrote: WEll.. gotta run to class for a bit then off to ohio for some serious racing action!!!c'mon out.. it's only a 5 hour drive! :) Um... You mean it's a 5 hour RIDE, don't you Collin? Shame on you... ;^) Chris VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:37:40 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00536 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:37:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhccg06964; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:37:31 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567CC.00509E3B ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:40:33 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: JOE NAGY cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567CC.00509DB2.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:35:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline OMG, that was so well-written! I found myself smiling and laughing at your descriptions... I couldn't imagine doing that myself! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 JOE NAGY on 08/13/99 10:01:10 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar -Reply Holy crap. Well done--that's the first time I've gotten the perspective from a "normal" person. Back when two-strokes ruled the big weekend at BIR, I'd talk to the monkeys and they're very nonchalant. I also noticed that they wore the most "broken in" leathers in the paddock. Joe >>> Randy Moran - 8/12/99 5:09 PM >>> I rode as a monkey on a racing sidecar, once. Here are the gory details: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1247/monkey.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:41:37 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00549 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 17:39:36 UT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:40 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Randy Moran" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Hayabusa with sidecar Message-ID: <19990813104158330-e276ff3@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What a great story there Randy! I really could really feel for ya! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar Author: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX (Randy Moran) Date: 08/12/1999 5:09 PM I rode as a monkey on a racing sidecar, once. Here are the gory details: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1247/monkey.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:44:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00624 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18933 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA16086 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 17:42:07 UT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:43 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Gary Foreman" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Kids and Guns (Humor) Message-ID: <19990813104458338-e2a2f1c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HaHA!! HAHAHAHA.... That was good! Tom ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Kids and Guns (Humor) Author: fj1100@XXXXXX (Gary Foreman) Date: 08/13/1999 10:21 AM Interviewer: " But you're equipping them to become violent killers. LTG Reinwald: " Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one,.... are you?" End of the interview From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:53:20 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00811 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 17:51:18 UT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:51 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:accident Message-ID: <19990813105358215-e326c00@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think that was the one that required Medi-vac and had the whole road shutdown for a while. I had no idea though that it was a bike accident. I hope that whomever it was is OK. Tom ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: accident Author: lisa@XXXXXX (Lisa Goddard) Date: 08/13/1999 10:35 AM Friend of a friend witnessed a two bike accident yesterday on Old Dominion Drive in McLean. All the details I heard were: two sportbikes, full helmets, jeans and leather jackets and lots of blood. Anybody know anything else, is everyone OK??? Lisa Goddard '95 VFR 750 Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:55:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00840 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA11634; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:53:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma009299; Fri, 13 Aug 99 10:49:13 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGE00EPGRWHEI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.00512DC9 ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:46:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:26:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.004FA7DA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL There's a great video featuring a massive crash by a sidecar rig, as well as Mamola's amazing tankslapper save at Misano at the Motorcycle.com website. I'm pretty sure the video is ftp://ftp.motorcycle.com/pub/videos/team2.mpg. Also, there's ftp://ftp.motorcycle.com/pub/videos/sidecar.avi, a video of a sidecar race. Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 10:57:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00918 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19024 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16424 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03012; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:56:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813105347.015a8810@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:55:19 -0400 To: Gary Foreman From: Troutman Subject: Re: Kids and Guns (Humor) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004101bee597$2f3cf8e0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like jokes, but not on my motorcycle list. If you are interested in a joke list, send an email to humor@XXXXXX=20 with a subject of subscribe. It will fulfill your needs ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org A rabbi, a monkey and a 12" pianist walk into a tavern. The barkeep says, "What the Hell is this? Some kinda joke?" 8=DE From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 11:15:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01253 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19135 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16874 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FGE00HPCT0TKP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:16:53 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Kids and Guns (Humor) In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990813105347.015a8810@mail.wheatintl.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <005501bee59e$dfae7b20$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) When did this become YOUR list? > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 10:55 AM > To: Gary Foreman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Kids and Guns (Humor) > > > I like jokes, but not on my motorcycle list. > > If you are interested in a joke list, send an email to humor@XXXXXX > with a subject of subscribe. It will fulfill your needs ;-) > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > A rabbi, a monkey and a 12" pianist walk into a tavern. > > The barkeep says, > "What the Hell is this? Some kinda joke?" 8Þ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 11:44:22 1999 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01716 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908131544.LAA01716@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kids and Guns (Humor) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:16:53 EDT." <005501bee59e$dfae7b20$1700a8c0@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:44:21 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >When did this become YOUR list? The list doesn't belong to anybody, it's an informal collective agreement by a couple hundred people to get together and discuss something in which they share an interest, motorcycling. This group has implicitly unanimously agreed to discuss motorcycling by subscribing to this list. There has been no such agreement among the list's subscribers to use the list for other purposes, such as swapping random jokes, discussing the role of firearms in our society, challenging the size of each other's reproductive organs, etc. There are many lists that serve exactly those purposes (well, maybe not the penis size one), collectively owned by subscribers who unanimously share those interests. It's entirely appropriate to expect that discussion on a mailing list will be limited to topics pertinent to the mailing list's subject. After all, that's the only thing we've all agreed we want to hear. -harry From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:14:52 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02279 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-225-101.s355.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.225.101]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id MAA11869; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:14:44 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 99 12:11:52 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re:accident To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , Tom Zell X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Where in Mclean? I had no idea this happened, and it is rigth where I live. Greg --- On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:51 -0400 Tom Zell wrote: >I think that was the one that required Medi-vac and had the whole road shutdown >for a while. I had no idea though that it was a bike accident. I hope that >whomever it was is OK. > >Tom > >____________________Reply Separator____________________ >Subject: accident >Author: lisa@XXXXXX (Lisa Goddard) >Date: 08/13/1999 10:35 AM > >Friend of a friend witnessed a two bike accident yesterday on Old Dominion >Drive in McLean. All the details I heard were: two sportbikes, full >helmets, jeans and leather jackets and lots of blood. > >Anybody know anything else, is everyone OK??? > >Lisa Goddard >'95 VFR 750 >Lisa Goddard >Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/13/99 HSTA/AMA 12:11:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:16:38 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02358 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGE00C3TVBOUN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:04:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA02631; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:00:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990813160435.SUHX22082@toddnt>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:04:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:02:21 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Taking a break... In-reply-to: <852567CC.004BEAAF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000101bee5a5$39bd89c0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Very good Chris. > -----Original Message----- > > I've seen people leave other lists (Usenet, mostly) for the same reasons. > We need to remember that this list is only what WE make it. If you're not > satisfied with the threads, start some interesting ones! Ask about some > bike-related topic that's been creeping around in the back of > your mind for > a while. Regale us with your latest riding story. Tell us about some great > roads that you've found. Post some interesting links you've > found. Whatever > you do, don't leave the list blaming others for ruining it for you. YOU > have the power to make it what you want it to be. Refuse to be a victim!!! > :^) > > Chris > '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:19:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02368 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19430 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19215 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FGE00I5JVZQG6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:20:46 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Who owns this list (was: Kids and Guns) In-reply-to: <199908131544.LAA01716@meretrix.com> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <006301bee5a7$cc47a8a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Well, to be honest with you it would be a wonderful world if everyone would "follow the rules" (but hey, aren't we the same ones who advertise the rides will be exceeding the speed limit by 15-20 mph?). I have yet to be a member of any list that didn't wander off topic occasionally. Personally I don't care as long as it doesn't become a permanent discussion between a few members. I also appreciate it when the subject line is changed to reflect what the message is REALLY about (i.e. Non-Motorcycle, Humor, etc.). That way at least I have the option of not reading it before opening it. This list has become WAY TO SERIOUS! With all the hate and discontent lately I thought a little humor was warranted. I WAS WRONG! I will now step back and let you people who police this list have at it. I will check in sometimes to see if there is a weekend ride I can make. And what ever you do...don't smile! Gary Foreman (Just trying to have some fun but failing miserably) > > The list doesn't belong to anybody, it's an informal collective > agreement by a couple hundred people to get together and discuss > something in which they share an interest, motorcycling. This group > has implicitly unanimously agreed to discuss motorcycling by > subscribing to this list. There has been no such agreement From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:21:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02447 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19447 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA19278 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813162055.10178.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:20:55 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kids and Guns (Humor) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gary Foreman wrote: > When did this become YOUR list? It's *everyone's* list!!!!!! === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:23:40 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02469 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11790 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:24:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: "'dc'" Subject: Aux. Power Source Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Listers, So my old CX500 is trying desperately to give up the ghost. Gallantly (or probably more accurately, foolishly) I refuse to let this happen. Most recent problem: the battery is not charging. After a few days the battery peters out and I have to resort to highly taxing jump-start maneuvers. This is fine when it is warm out, but will be hellish once it gets colder. Dennis at Crossroads Cycles tells me it is most likely my alternator that has fizzled. Replacing this is fairly easy, with one minor caveat: one must drop the engine off the frame and open it up: $500-$600 worth of labor right there. Other work would be about $100, but that's probably more than the entire (working) bike would be worth in resale. So he had two suggestions to me, which I would like to bounce off the list for comments/suggestions: 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during daylight riding. This won't fix anything in-and-of-itself, but it will preserve some of the charged battery life. 2. Build some sort of rack onto the back of the bike (right now there is only a grab rail) and place an auto or sea battery (in a plastic case) on it and connect it as an auxiliary power source. This doesn't fix the problem, either, but it overrides it, as the larger battery should last forever on the bike. The drawback, according to Dennis, is that the bike then gets fairly top-heavy. Aesthetics, as you might imagine, aren't a great concern here. So, what do fellow listers think? Is are these foolhardy measures? Other than looking silly, could this work? The reason I even entertain these thoughts is that the bike is in really good shape other than the newly developed alternator problem - also, with a young baby at home I don't have a lot of money to buy a new(er) bike any time soon. Anyway, I'm looking forward to your comments, Erik -- 1980 CX500D "Das Beast" ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:41:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02736 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19633 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20090 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03225; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:41:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813123224.0156c7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:40:25 -0400 To: Gary Foreman From: Troutman Subject: RE: Who owns this list (non moto BS) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006301bee5a7$cc47a8a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> References: <199908131544.LAA01716@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:20 PM 8/13/99 , you wrote: >This list has become WAY TO SERIOUS! With all the hate and discontent >lately I thought a little humor was warranted. I WAS WRONG! > >I will now step back and let you people who police this list have at it. I >will check in sometimes to see if there is a weekend ride I can make. > >And what ever you do...don't smile! > >Gary Foreman >(Just trying to have some fun but failing miserably) What - are you trying to make some of us feel guilty? If I want to read a bunch of off-topic stuff, I would be on rec.moto or some other worthless newsgroup. If that had at least been a motorcycle joke, you wouldn't have heard one peep out of me. The fact remains that there are a few people on every list that have no idea what appropriate behavior is. What I mailed was a friendly reminder of the reason we are all on this list - dc motorcycle discussion. Now don't go flaming back with this bullshit about being 'way too serious'. This list is anything BUT serious. But I would say that the majority of us demand that content stay on topic if it is going to keep our interest. As far as who owns the list, yes it is a community list. You did a good job of blowing my wording way out of proportion to try and change the subject. By MY I was referring to something I have subscribed to received, just like everyone else. Now, since this is totally off topic, you won't hear anything else on-list about it from me. Barring any major insults that is. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:49:42 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02924 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA15582; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:49:56 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014546; Fri, 13 Aug 99 12:48:25 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGE00BHNXGORZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.005C2AB6 ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:46:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:45:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source To: Erik Schelzig Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <852567CC.005C10EA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL That sounds like a Dennis idea for sure. I don't think the headlight switch will work, since by law (I think) your bike has to have the headlight on all the time. It won't pass inspection (usless of course Dennis inspects it), and you run the risk of a ticket. Now the marine battery idea I like...then you can install a fridge for group rides on hot days. Mark <<<< 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during daylight riding. This won't fix anything in-and-of-itself, but it will preserve some of the charged battery life. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:49:48 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02927 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA05351 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:49:39 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:49:39 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Aux. Power Source Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:49:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Erik, Have you considered buying an inexpensive battery charger and charging the battery each night? If you have a garage, this is easy, if you don't, the battery on the CX comes out rather easily, and you could even rig up a quick-disconnect to speed up the job. Reminds me of my first scooter, a '34 Harley VL with a dead generator - I used 6 volt dry cells as a total loss solution. Lights weren't an option - if I turned them on, the engine died. Ah, the good old days :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 12:51:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03037 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19683 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:51:53 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA20337 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA17490; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:52:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016822; Fri, 13 Aug 99 12:50:21 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGE00E0XXHQ45@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.005C393D ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:47:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:41:03 -0400 Subject: RE: Who owns this list (was: Kids and Guns) To: Gary Foreman Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <852567CC.005BBA14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL <<<>>>> Bulls**t. You posted the gun joke in order to fan the flames of the gun debate and piss of those who are anti-gun. If someone else posted a pro-handgun joke you would be all over them. I was on this list breifly last year and quit over this same type of crap. Yeah, this is a free country and you can say anything you want, but this list is about MOTORCYCLES. 99% of us don't care what the gun control opionion (pro OR against) of a handful of listers is. I hopefully have not offended the few listers I know or may meet with this post, but do we really need all this animosity, Peace, Mark PS: And don't assume by the tone of this post that I am anti-gun. I had a Virginia concealed permit 90 days after the law went into effect. But I don't feel the need to talk about it all the time. To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: From: Gary Foreman Date: 08/13/99 04:20:46 PM GMT Subject: RE: Who owns this list (was: Kids and Guns) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:04:05 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03387 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA16051; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005701bee5ae$27e45c20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , References: <852567CC.004FA7DA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: Hayabusa with sidecar Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:06:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 WOW!!! Had to wait until I got home to use the hi-speed connection to watch it... that last bit with the saved low-side was awesome! Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:15:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03634 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19874 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net (sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.122]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21216 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhccr04872 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:17:00 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567CC.005F1B22 ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:18:48 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567CC.005F1A6D.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:56 -0400 Subject: Calling Glenn Dysart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sorry for waste of bandwith, but I can't get through on his e-mail... Glenn, if you get this, please e-mail me or call me at (703) 790-7795. Thanks! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:16:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03644 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19884 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21244 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FGE00AH3Y4PUT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:05:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA10458; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:06:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990813170512.TRIH22082@toddnt>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:05:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:02:57 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Who owns this list (was: Kids and Guns) In-reply-to: <006301bee5a7$cc47a8a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> To: Gary Foreman , DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <000701bee5ad$b10aa3c0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] > > And what ever you do...don't smile! > > Gary Foreman No, go ride ahead and smile. They make these neato full face helmets nowadays designed to keep the bugs out of your teeth. So's ok, smile away! Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:20:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03723 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19903 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21339 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FGE00I5YYTUXJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:21:51 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: One LAST thing. To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <006d01bee5b0$55181900$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Hey, if any of you are working on that R1 Paper Model and actually finish it, please drop me a line at the address below and I'd love to hear from you. I'm going to try to find some time to finish mine on vacation. I will post it in the Bike Pics section when I get it. Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com Bike Pics: http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:25:19 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03777 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:25:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhccr19692; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:25:05 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567CC.005FF4E7 ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:28:06 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Jordan Michael" cc: "'dc'" Message-ID: <852567CC.005FF3CB.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:23:12 -0400 Subject: RE: Aux. Power Source Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Great idea. I bought a battery charger for less than $30 and used it every night on my VF500. For some reason the bike never seemed to want to start. Once I kept her on the charger, she was fine, though. Inexpensive...and it works! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Jordan Michael" on 08/13/99 12:49:28 PM To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Aux. Power Source Erik, Have you considered buying an inexpensive battery charger and charging the battery each night? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:25:51 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03786 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:25:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2XGKa23990 (4522) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9407948.24e5aee9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:24:57 EDT Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 I don't have any oproblem transporting groceries and the like - the bungee net is a wonderful tool ... just the occassional fountain soda on the way home.... :D marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:29:22 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03880 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:29:21 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vXHNa06252 (4522); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:28:09 EDT Subject: AMA towing To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, brown@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/13/99 8:46:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << Hum, maybe I should just tear up my AMA MoTow card >> ok - I have called AMA (from my cell phone - best thing ever) while stuck on the side of the road and they informed that AMA does not do towing ... what's up? (and yes I'm a member) marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:30:14 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03964 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA23317; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:29:44 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022421; Fri, 13 Aug 99 13:28:38 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGE00HMMZBYT8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.005FDB77 ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:27:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:16:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.005F00C5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL 1. Illegal, IIRC 2. Bad idea, IMO. I wouldn't want that battery flying around in the event of a crash. Besides which, you're still just treating the symptom rather than the source of the problem. No good ideas here, other than to get a service manual and try to do the work (as heinous as it sounds) yourself. You also might want to take the bike to another mechanic for a second opinion. VFR guys regularly find that their regulator/rectifier is the culprit on charging problems. I don't know much about wrenching, but maybe your bike has one of these? Good luck, Chris VTR From: Erik Schelzig [snips here and there] 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during daylight 2. Build some sort of rack onto the back of the bike (right now there is only a grab rail) and place an auto or sea battery ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:31:05 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03974 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2MZAa14800 (4522) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d9ea9f4.24e5b014@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:29:56 EDT Subject: Re: Please snip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/13/99 9:55:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE snip >> ALSO, please...when you click on "reply" ... check to make sure you aren't replying to the list, plus the person on the list who sent the message cause then THAT person gets your message twice ... or more depending on how many individual names are in the "send to" box in addition to the list... thanks! Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:36:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04109 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20003 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21826 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vLTCa06600 (4522) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <672a70f8.24e5b198@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:24 EDT Subject: Re: Who owns this list (was: Kids and Guns) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/13/99 12:25:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: << And what ever you do...don't smile! Gary Foreman (Just trying to have some fun but failing miserably) >> hang in there Gary! :D we'll be back on track soon enough. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:38:17 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04129 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGE00JY8Z9YW9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:29:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA01591; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:28:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990813172958.TZCJ22082@toddnt>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:29:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:27:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Aux. Power Source In-reply-to: To: Erik Schelzig , "'dc'" Message-id: <000a01bee5b1$26a9d8f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Schelzig [mailto:schelzig@XXXXXX] > 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during daylight > riding. > 2. Build some sort of rack onto the back of the bike (right now there is > only a grab rail) and place an auto or sea battery (in a plastic case) If you just want to bypass the problem, get a battery tender (Charger) and hook it up every night. Cheaper than a aux battery rig, and not nearly as unsightly. :) Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:47:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04336 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA3157EC00AE; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:47:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813134622.00bb5220@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:48:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: If it ever rains ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was pulling up to a red light and noted when putting my foot down on "dry" pavement that it was very slippery - in the wheel track where we'd be inclined to think it wouldn't be too slippery. There's just so much oil on and in the road surface. So when (if?) it ever rains again, watch out for those slippery roads! I've got a feeling that we've never seen "Summer Ice" like we're going to this year. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 13:57:43 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04498 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:57:40 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA21220; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:58:20 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma020050; Fri, 13 Aug 99 13:57:11 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGF0004H0LFN1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.00625756 ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:54:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:45:38 -0400 Subject: Re: AMA towing To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.00619679.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL They have a $20 (?) add-on to the memebership fee that provides towing through MTS (the largest moto-towing service I think). I used them once with good results. Mark To: Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@C&L US, brown@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: 08/13/99 05:28:09 PM GMT Subject: AMA towing In a message dated 8/13/99 8:46:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << Hum, maybe I should just tear up my AMA MoTow card >> ok - I have called AMA (from my cell phone - best thing ever) while stuck on the side of the road and they informed that AMA does not do towing ... what's up? (and yes I'm a member) marcy ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:01:12 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04629 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813175814.13487.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:58:14 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA towing To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > ok - I have called AMA (from my cell phone - best > thing ever) while stuck on > the side of the road and they informed that AMA does > not do towing ... what's > up? (and yes I'm a member) They don't. When you renew your membership, you can sign up for something called AMA MoTow, which is operated by someone entirely different, and is the towing service. So just being a member doesn't get you anything. I think the MoTow service is $25/year. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:08:55 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04732 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813180916.8730.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:09:16 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:09:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source To: Erik Schelzig , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try changing the battery. A battery with a dead cell could have those symptoms. In the past I've had problems and thought it pin pointed the altenator, only to find out it was a battery acting weird. --- Erik Schelzig wrote: > Dear Listers, > > So my old CX500 is trying desperately to give up the ghost. > Gallantly (or > probably more accurately, foolishly) I refuse to let this happen. > Most > recent problem: the battery is not charging. After a few days the > battery > peters out and I have to resort to highly taxing jump-start > maneuvers. > This is fine when it is warm out, but will be hellish once it gets > colder. > > Dennis at Crossroads Cycles tells me it is most likely my > alternator that > has fizzled. Replacing this is fairly easy, with one minor caveat: > one > must drop the engine off the frame and open it up: $500-$600 worth > of > labor right there. Other work would be about $100, but that's > probably > more than the entire (working) bike would be worth in resale. > > So he had two suggestions to me, which I would like to bounce off > the list > for comments/suggestions: > > 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during > daylight > riding. This won't fix anything in-and-of-itself, but it will > preserve > some of the charged battery life. > > 2. Build some sort of rack onto the back of the bike (right now > there is > only a grab rail) and place an auto or sea battery (in a plastic > case) on > it and connect it as an auxiliary power source. This doesn't fix > the > problem, either, but it overrides it, as the larger battery should > last > forever on the bike. The drawback, according to Dennis, is that > the bike > then gets fairly top-heavy. Aesthetics, as you might imagine, > aren't a > great concern here. > > So, what do fellow listers think? Is are these foolhardy measures? > Other > than looking silly, could this work? The reason I even entertain > these > thoughts is that the bike is in really good shape other than the > newly > developed alternator problem - also, with a young baby at home I > don't > have a lot of money to buy a new(er) bike any time soon. Anyway, > I'm > looking forward to your comments, > > Erik > > -- > 1980 CX500D "Das Beast" > > > > ==== > Erik J. Schelzig > http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:09:08 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04742 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA01168 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:09:03 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:09:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: If it ever rains ... Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:09:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >So when (if?) it ever rains again, watch out for those slippery roads! Ooooh - hadn't thought of that - the roads haven't had a good washing for a while. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:10:15 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04764 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:09:26 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:09:07 -0400 Message-Id: <37B45FCD.F1D5E770@trw.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:11:28 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Awesome Highsides (was Hayabusa with sidecar) References: <852567CC.004FA7DA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> <005701bee5ae$27e45c20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AE51BEF1C61D912201A08CBA" --------------AE51BEF1C61D912201A08CBA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even better, Tom, it was a highside that he saved and yeah, that was incredible. Randy Mamola had another famous highside (one of many for him, unfortunately) during which the fuel tank came off the bike from the sheer force of the "flick," before any bike parts touched the ground. It was when he was riding for Cagiva, and it happened in Brazil (just in case anyone has the old GP review videotape). If I am not mistaken, during the course of the highside that Chris pointed us to, Mamola actually broke his wrist just from the violent twisting of the bars. This is similar to what I did to my thumb (ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/cast.jpg) at Summit last month, when I highsided in the wet in Turn One. I was wearing my Randy Mamola replica helmet at the time. Wait a minute. I am starting to detect a disturbing pattern here...It seems that the Randy Mamola helmet design contributes to a peculiar weight bias that leads to an unusual incidence of highsides...yeah, that's it...peculiar weight bias...yeah... Randy Moran Tom Zell wrote: > WOW!!! Had to wait until I got home to use the hi-speed connection to watch > it... that last bit with the saved low-side was awesome! --------------AE51BEF1C61D912201A08CBA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even better, Tom, it was a highside that he saved and yeah, that was incredible. Randy Mamola had another famous highside (one of many for him, unfortunately) during which the fuel tank came off the bike from the sheer force of the "flick," before any bike parts touched the ground. It was when he was riding for Cagiva, and it happened in Brazil (just in case anyone has the old GP review videotape).

If I am not mistaken, during the course of the highside that Chris pointed us to, Mamola actually broke his wrist just from the violent twisting of the bars. This is similar to what I did to my thumb (ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/cast.jpg) at Summit last month, when I highsided in the wet in Turn One. I was wearing my Randy Mamola replica helmet at the time.

Wait a minute. I am starting to detect a disturbing pattern here...It seems that the Randy Mamola helmet design contributes to a peculiar weight bias that leads to an unusual incidence of highsides...yeah, that's it...peculiar weight bias...yeah...

Randy Moran

Tom Zell wrote:

WOW!!! Had to wait until I got home to use the hi-speed connection to watch
it... that last bit with the saved low-side was awesome!
--------------AE51BEF1C61D912201A08CBA-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:10:15 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04765 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA02501; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:10:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002019; Fri, 13 Aug 99 14:09:45 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGF000EP18UNQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.0063AF9F ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:08:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:51:40 -0400 Subject: Does anyone have mapping software? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.00626D6A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL ..such as Delorme? I am trying to get the distance from Arlington to Brooklyn, NY via the Cape May Ferry (Lewes, DE and Cape May, NJ). Maps on Us will not route me via the ferry, but just adds on the land route around the bay.. If someone could run me the route, I would be forever grateful (Mapquest does not work either). Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:22:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05026 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A24F36200AC; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:22:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813141830.00be7100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:20:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Awesome Highsides (was Hayabusa with sidecar) In-Reply-To: <37B45FCD.F1D5E770@trw.com> References: <852567CC.004FA7DA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> <005701bee5ae$27e45c20$be10c897@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:11 PM 8/13/99 , Randy Moran wrote: >If I am not mistaken, during the course of the highside that Chris pointed >us to, Mamola actually broke his wrist just from the violent twisting of >the bars. This is similar to what I did to my thumb >(ftp://ftp.wheatintl.c >om/incoming/dc-cycles/cast.jpg) at Summit last month, when I highsided in >the wet in Turn One. I was wearing my Randy Mamola replica helmet at the time. What's with all these RACING videos of Mamola? Isn't he the guy with the famous "race face" - putting his lips on a window then blowing up his cheeks like a chipmunk? Let's some of those videos! :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:25:36 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05051 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813182358.10955.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:23:58 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source To: Erik Schelzig Cc: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like the switch idea.. I think my friends 95 suzuki has a headlight switch. The altenator might just put out a few volts less than required.. turning that headlight off might give the battery a charge. I don't think it could hurt. Could solve the problem.. I happen to think it's the battery tho.. Instead of strapping a car battery to my bike, i'd buy a battery charger, and make it a ritual to put it on the battery every night. I'd think if the altenator were designed to be pulled that way, it'd also be designed to work very very well. I'd think they'd make something else smaller designed to go bad first or something. --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > That sounds like a Dennis idea for sure. I don't think the > headlight > switch will work, since by law (I think) your bike has to have the > headlight on all the time. It won't pass inspection (usless of > course > Dennis inspects it), and you run the risk of a ticket. > > Now the marine battery idea I like...then you can install a fridge > for > group rides on hot days. > > Mark > > <<<< > 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during > daylight > riding. This won't fix anything in-and-of-itself, but it will > preserve > some of the charged battery life. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05061 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhccv14621 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:25:50 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567CC.0065885A ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:29:00 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567CC.0065875F.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:24:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Does anyone have mapping software? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Do not use MapQuest! LOL Tom & I got ourselves really lost using it 'cause it's not accurate...at least to where we were going! Use at your own risk... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX on 08/13/99 01:51:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Does anyone have mapping software? . If someone could run me the route, I would be forever grateful (Mapquest does not work either). Thanks, Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:51:02 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05598 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813185025.7270.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:50:25 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That is proper procedure with cars too, you should replace the regulator first, to see if that fixes the problem. If it's not, then it's okay, because you are suppposed to change the regulator when you change the altenator anyway. I should have suggested checking the regulator too. I still think it's the current battery. The second oppinion is good too. Often time people will diagnose a larger problem just to make sure it's fixed, without doing a proper check out. (and get the money) i'd make sure it wasn't the battery first.. (replace it) make sure it wasn't the regulator next.. (replace it) Also check for some kind of short in the system. Like maybe if you use the key to turn it off, the switch is bad, try turning the engine cut off switch off too. check for anything else that might have a short in it. then the last step would be to change the altenator.. and you'd be pissed if that wasn't the problem.. but if it wasn't, i doubt the mechaninc would tell you, after he just did the work, he'd track down the minor problem and fix it. --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > 1. Illegal, IIRC > > 2. Bad idea, IMO. I wouldn't want that battery flying around in the > event > of a crash. Besides which, you're still just treating the > symptom > rather than the source of the problem. > > No good ideas here, other than to get a service manual and try to > do the > work (as heinous as it sounds) yourself. You also might want to > take the > bike to another mechanic for a second opinion. VFR guys regularly > find that > their regulator/rectifier is the culprit on charging problems. I > don't know > much about wrenching, but maybe your bike has one of these? > > Good luck, > Chris > VTR > > > > > From: Erik Schelzig > [snips here and there] > 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during > daylight > > 2. Build some sort of rack onto the back of the bike (right now > there is > only a grab rail) and place an auto or sea battery > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > computer. > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:52:15 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05624 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813185235.17944.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:52:35 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:52:35 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That battery suggestion on the back of the bike.. is actually kind of scary that a mechanic would suggest that as a viable solution. --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > 1. Illegal, IIRC > > 2. Bad idea, IMO. I wouldn't want that battery flying around in the > event > of a crash. Besides which, you're still just treating the > symptom > rather than the source of the problem. > > No good ideas here, other than to get a service manual and try to > do the > work (as heinous as it sounds) yourself. You also might want to > take the > bike to another mechanic for a second opinion. VFR guys regularly > find that > their regulator/rectifier is the culprit on charging problems. I > don't know > much about wrenching, but maybe your bike has one of these? > > Good luck, > Chris > VTR > > > > > From: Erik Schelzig > [snips here and there] > 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during > daylight > > 2. Build some sort of rack onto the back of the bike (right now > there is > only a grab rail) and place an auto or sea battery > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > computer. > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 14:59:46 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05731 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813190008.19425.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:00:08 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Does anyone have mapping software? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've had pretty good results with it. --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Do not use MapQuest! LOL > Tom & I got ourselves really lost using it 'cause it's not > accurate...at least > to where we were going! > Use at your own risk... > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX on 08/13/99 01:51:40 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Does anyone have mapping software? > > > > > . > > If someone could run me the route, I would be forever grateful > (Mapquest > does not work either). > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:07:50 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05954 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14919 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source In-Reply-To: <19990813182358.10955.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for all the comments on my CX power problem. The reason we thought it was alternator related is that we put up a voltmeter (sic?) up to the battery with the engine on, and noticed no jump in the charge when we revved it up. I do have a battery tender, and this has been my method of keeping a charged battery. Nevertheless, the directions say to charge batteries outside, which is a pain in the ass. I have a driveway, but no real shelter under which to protect battery and charger from the elements. So if I want to charge overnight I constantly have to be on the lookout for weather changes. Is this the battery charger company just trying to cover themselves, or is there a legitimate concern with combustion of batteries? Could I put the tender and the battery in some sort of weather protected box? In the basement? Ideas? As far as the light switch is concerned, I realize it is technically illegal, but on bright days who is really going to notice? I certainly wouldn't drive at dusk or in the rain without the light, so it's not like I'm getting rid of the light altogether. But we'll see about that one. Thanks for all the responses to the question at hand. All further suggestions are, of course, still welcome. Bests, Erik CX500D "Das Beast" ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:11:54 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05981 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14985 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source In-Reply-To: <19990813185235.17944.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, ITM wrote: > That battery suggestion on the back of the bike.. is actually > kind of scary that a mechanic would suggest that as a viable > solution. > Well, I know the mechanic in question fairly well (in no small part a function of the bike I ride), so his suggestion certainly wasn't the "professional" solution. Needless to say, the professional solution was going to cost me more money than I want to spend, so his attach-battery suggestion was more of an off-the-record one. I probabaly shouldn't have attached his name to the story, but figured many people here wouldn't see it as a reflection on the work done by his shop. Maybe I should have been more circumspect in my posting. Nevertheless, it was something he said *I* could do - he certainly wasn't offering to do the work. Bests, Erik CX500D "Das Beast" From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:27:44 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06326 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813192609.8914.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:26:09 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Please snip To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have to disagree here.... If it's handled that way, those that are on digest mode will need to sort through the entire digest message to see if they've received any replies. --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > ALSO, please...when you click on "reply" ... check > to make sure you aren't > replying to the list, plus the person on the list > who sent the message cause > then THAT person gets your message twice ... or more > depending on how many > individual names are in the "send to" box in > addition to the list... > > thanks! > Marcy _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:28:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06336 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FGF002MD4PYMW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:27:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA14969; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990813192733.VNVL22082@toddnt>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:27:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:25:18 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Does anyone have mapping software? In-reply-to: <852567CC.00626D6A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001101bee5c1$93b0a9f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal 303.7 miles in 5:58 hours Assuming central Arlington and central Brooklyn. > -----Original Message----- > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 1:52 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Does anyone have mapping software? > > > ..such as Delorme? I am trying to get the distance from Arlington to > Brooklyn, NY via the Cape May Ferry (Lewes, DE and Cape May, NJ). Maps on > Us will not route me via the ferry, but just adds on the land route around > the bay.. > > If someone could run me the route, I would be forever grateful (Mapquest > does not work either). > > Thanks, > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:28:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06337 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1CBB70264; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:28:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813152127.00c2c100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:28:01 -0400 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source Cc: schelzig@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: <19990813182358.10955.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:08 PM 8/13/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >Thanks for all the comments on my CX power problem. The reason we thought >it was alternator related is that we put up a voltmeter (sic?) up to the >battery with the engine on, and noticed no jump in the charge when we >revved it up. You should read about 14 volts with the engine at 3,000 rpm or higher. Anything above 13.2 means your battery is charging. If you aren't getting enough voltage it could be due to a bad battery (shorted out or unchargeable), a bad voltage regulator, or a bad generator/alternator. Best is to follow your service manual's instructions for trouble-shooting. For me, any bike battery over 2 yrs. old is cause to replace it first if there's any big problems like this - the batteries are stressed a lot on the older bikes (what year is your CX, 1983 or so?). Then clean all connections, even down to the brushes on the generator or the slipring contacts in the alternator. Unfortunately, I think your generator/alternator may be buried deep in the engine. >Is this the battery charger company just trying to cover >themselves, or is there a legitimate concern with combustion of batteries? >Could I put the tender and the battery in some sort of weather protected >box? In the basement? Ideas? Batteries that are being charged put out hydrogen gas. Like the stuff the Hindenburg had in it. >As far as the light switch is concerned, I realize it is technically >illegal, but on bright days who is really going to notice? I certainly >wouldn't drive at dusk or in the rain without the light, so it's not like >I'm getting rid of the light altogether. But we'll see about that one. The headlight is your main visibility device for oncoming traffic (the most dangerous kind). Leaving the headlight off is okay for an emergency get-me-home, but is not a good idea. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:30:29 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06429 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA01330; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01bee5c2$8f53c300$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Randy Moran" , References: <852567CC.004FA7DA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> <005701bee5ae$27e45c20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> <37B45FCD.F1D5E770@trw.com> Subject: Re: Awesome Highsides (was Hayabusa with sidecar) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:32:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEE5A1.07898160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEE5A1.07898160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Didn't it start out though as a low-side? Looked to me like the bike = came out from under him and then straightened up heading to high-side = mode... scary none the less though.. a true god! Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEE5A1.07898160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Didn't it start out though as a low-side?  = Looked to me=20 like the bike came out from under him and then straightened up heading = to=20 high-side mode... scary none the less though.. a true god!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEE5A1.07898160-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:34:53 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06439 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA26041 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anybody riding tmmrw? I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need something to do tmmrw as well. Anybody? Or all you all going to sit inside on the computers and dicuss guns|kids|who-owns-the-list|what-has-been-said-on-NPR|how-to-transport-a-coke-from-mcd :) -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:42:04 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f242.hotmail.com [209.185.130.207]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06586 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99055 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 1999 19:41:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990813194135.99054.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:41:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: schelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:41:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >So my old CX500 is trying desperately to give up the ghost. >probably more accurately, foolishly) I refuse to let this happen. recent >problem: the battery is not charging. >must drop the engine off the frame and open it up: or >1. Build a switch into the headlight >2. Build some sort of rack onto the back of the bike The diagnosis sounds correct. It can be checked with an AC voltmeter using the procecedure in the aftermarket manual for the bike. I replaced the stator in my GL650 2 or 3 times over the life of the bike. It isn't that hard to pull the motor, 3-4 hours if you do it yourself. If you go with option 2 (Big Battery) You should still put in the headlight switch from option 1. When the big battery goes dead, you can still ride home without a headlight, I had a Yamaha RD400 with this 'solution' A full sized marine battery lasted about 200 miles between recharging. The battery lasted longer than the rest of the bike doing this duty. After a while, you won't even notice the extra weight, it just becomes part of the bike. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:44:45 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (www0m.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06614 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14430 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 1999 19:44:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990813194433.14429.qmail@www0m.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.42 by www0m via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Fri Aug 13 19:44:32 GMT 1999 Date: 13 Aug 99 15:44:32 EDT From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be riding tomorrow (if the weather is not hideous), but I won't be starting too early as I need to get my new baby inspected first. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (60K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle = http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:46:02 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f181.hotmail.com [209.185.131.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06721 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68358 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 1999 19:45:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990813194529.68357.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:45:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:45:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Not in Virginia. It is legal to ride with the headlight off. I'm pretty sure the 'headlight on with engine' is a manufacturers requirement, not an end-user requirement. Leon. >I don't think the headlight >switch will work, since by law (I think) your bike has to have the >headlight on all the time. It won't pass inspection (usless of course >Dennis inspects it), and you run the risk of a ticket. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 15:47:19 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web507.yahoomail.com (web507.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06731 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813194348.8375.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:43:48 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:43:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Ken Woods wrote: > > Anybody riding tmmrw? Yep. > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need > something to do tmmrw > as well. Meet me at the Rusty Rudder in Dewey Beach at lunchtime, or at the Crow's Nest (on top of Ocean Club) in Ocean City at 3pm or so. Black w/red 900RR To hell with Alexandria. It's poser central down at the shore, folks. Don't forget your flipflops. -- tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 16:12:18 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07135 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-205.patriot.net [209.249.180.205]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08271; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:12:13 -0400 Message-ID: <37B47B20.AB422C0C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:08:00 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Schelzig CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik I had a similar problem and zero voltmeter surge when the engine was reved. My bike factory manual had a procedure for checking the alternator output - AC voltage coming out of the plug that hooked it to the voltage regualtor. See if your bike has the same test option. Mine checked out good - soooo, I put in a new voltage regulator only to discover no charge going to the battery. AAARRRRGGGGHHH!!! Seems the rubber around the plug from the alternator *grows* and doesn't allow the pins to contact. Jeez-0-flip, sez me. I shaved the *growth* off and the problem was solved. My suggestion - check the alternator output. Eliminate the possibility of a crappy connection. If all that is okay, black box the voltage regualtor unless one of the electronics whizzes here knows a way to test them. And don't forget the battery. Two years on a cycle battery is good. Anyone need a votlage regualtor for a Harley FLH model? I happen to have a perfectly good spare *grumble*. Bill Erik Schelzig wrote: > Dear Listers, > > So my old CX500 is trying desperately to give up the ghost. Gallantly (or > probably more accurately, foolishly) I refuse to let this happen. Most > recent problem: the battery is not charging. After a few days the battery > peters out and I have to resort to highly taxing jump-start maneuvers. > This is fine when it is warm out, but will be hellish once it gets colder. > > Dennis at Crossroads Cycles tells me it is most likely my alternator that > has fizzled. Replacing this is fairly easy, with one minor caveat: one > must drop the engine off the frame and open it up: $500-$600 worth of > labor right there. Other work would be about $100, but that's probably > more than the entire (working) bike would be worth in resale. > > So he had two suggestions to me, which I would like to bounce off the list > for comments/suggestions: > > 1. Build a switch into the headlight so I can turn it off during daylight > riding. This won't fix anything in-and-of-itself, but it will preserve > some of the charged battery life. > > 2. Build some sort of rack onto the back of the bike (right now there is > only a grab rail) and place an auto or sea battery (in a plastic case) on > it and connect it as an auxiliary power source. This doesn't fix the > problem, either, but it overrides it, as the larger battery should last > forever on the bike. The drawback, according to Dennis, is that the bike > then gets fairly top-heavy. Aesthetics, as you might imagine, aren't a > great concern here. > > So, what do fellow listers think? Is are these foolhardy measures? Other > than looking silly, could this work? The reason I even entertain these > thoughts is that the bike is in really good shape other than the newly > developed alternator problem - also, with a young baby at home I don't > have a lot of money to buy a new(er) bike any time soon. Anyway, I'm > looking forward to your comments, > > Erik > > -- > 1980 CX500D "Das Beast" > > ==== > Erik J. Schelzig > http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 16:33:37 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07528 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-205.patriot.net [209.249.180.205]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10890; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:33:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37B48001.1522E91F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:28:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Does anyone have mapping software? References: <852567CC.00626D6A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 316 miles. Basic route over bay bridge to Lewes DE and garden state pkwy north after ferry. Bill mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > ..such as Delorme? I am trying to get the distance from Arlington to > Brooklyn, NY via the Cape May Ferry (Lewes, DE and Cape May, NJ). Maps on > Us will not route me via the ferry, but just adds on the land route around > the bay.. > > If someone could run me the route, I would be forever grateful (Mapquest > does not work either). > > Thanks, > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 16:46:46 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07786 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813204509.9281.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:45:09 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:45:09 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: Ken Woods , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ken what are your plans for the sunday morning ride? Any chance you are related to John woods in laurel who lives across from digenaro's (in those apartments) ? --- Ken Woods wrote: > > Anybody riding tmmrw? > > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need something to do > tmmrw > as well. > > Anybody? > > Or all you all going to sit inside on the computers and dicuss > guns|kids|who-owns-the-list|what-has-been-said-on-NPR|how-to-transport-a-coke-from-mcd > > :) > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > F4 > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 16:52:18 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07875 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813205140.657.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:51:40 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmm an OC ride.. Is OC your starting point or destination? if starting somewhere else would it be from the DC area, maybe some of us will want to ride along. I'd like to find some nice places in OC to take a girl and make an impression on her, I've never been there, but I'd like the trip to be special.. so If I can go and check things out before hand, there's a better chance I can make sure she has a good time. Anyone up for an OC ride? --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > > Anybody riding tmmrw? > > Yep. > > > > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need > > something to do tmmrw > > as well. > > Meet me at the Rusty Rudder in Dewey Beach at > lunchtime, or at the Crow's Nest (on top of Ocean > Club) in Ocean City at 3pm or so. > > Black w/red 900RR > > To hell with Alexandria. It's poser central down at > the shore, folks. Don't forget your flipflops. > > > -- > tg > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 17:27:46 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08487 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA17438; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:28:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016702; Fri, 13 Aug 99 17:27:35 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGF006PBA9GX3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CC.007571DE ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:22:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:02:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: ITM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CC.0073DC45.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid Ocean City altogether. It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 minutes north of OC (same distance from DC) there are some nicer towns (Bethany and Rehobeth). What do you want and maybe I can make a suggestion, Mark To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles cc: From: ITM Date: 08/13/99 08:51:40 PM GMT Subject: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? Hmm an OC ride.. Is OC your starting point or destination? if starting somewhere else would it be from the DC area, maybe some of us will want to ride along. I'd like to find some nice places in OC to take a girl and make an impression on her, I've never been there, but I'd like the trip to be special.. so If I can go and check things out before hand, there's a better chance I can make sure she has a good time. Anyone up for an OC ride? --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > > Anybody riding tmmrw? > > Yep. > > > > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need > > something to do tmmrw > > as well. > > Meet me at the Rusty Rudder in Dewey Beach at > lunchtime, or at the Crow's Nest (on top of Ocean > Club) in Ocean City at 3pm or so. > > Black w/red 900RR > > To hell with Alexandria. It's poser central down at > the shore, folks. Don't forget your flipflops. > > > -- > tg > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 17:32:25 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08601 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA28097; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:35:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Erik Schelzig cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Erik Schelzig wrote: > > Dennis at Crossroads Cycles tells me it is most likely Likely? Each of the relevant parts (alternator, reg/rect, battery, wiring) can and should be tested. This should be straightforward. If defective, repair or replace. my alternator that > has fizzled. Replacing this is fairly easy, with one minor caveat: one ...snip. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 17:39:17 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08720 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA28626; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:40:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:40:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: Erik Schelzig , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source In-Reply-To: <852567CC.005C10EA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > That sounds like a Dennis idea for sure. I don't think the headlight > switch will work, since by law (I think) your bike has to have the > headlight on all the time. Not in Md., Va., or DC, unless law has been changed recently. Besides, there are plenty of older bikes that come with headlight switches. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 17:56:59 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA09003 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813215720.23188.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:57:20 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:57:20 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well we are going as part of a group, but we will have some time to ourselves, so I wanted to take her to some nice places while we were there. Like places to eat, maybe places with a scenic views, maybe a fun place or activity there, and what hotels are like, high priced? cheap? ok or to be avoided... and what about costs in general.. is everything marked up to bilk the tourists? btw the instructor of my MSF course heard that if two bikers park in one metered spot, the damn meter maids will ticket both bikes, even if they aren't together and one guy parked there and paid the meter, and some other guy just came along and parked to conserve parking space.. Anyone know anything about that? That'd really suck if some smuck kicked a bike over because a bike took up a whole space.. --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid Ocean City > altogether. > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 minutes north of OC > (same > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns (Bethany and > Rehobeth). What > do you want and maybe I can make a suggestion, > > Mark > To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles > > cc: > From: ITM > Date: 08/13/99 08:51:40 PM GMT > Subject: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody > riding > tmmrw?? > > > > > Hmm an OC ride.. Is OC your starting point or destination? > if starting somewhere else would it be from the DC area, maybe > some of us will want to ride along. > > I'd like to find some nice places in OC to take a girl > and make an impression on her, I've never been there, but > I'd like the trip to be special.. so If I can go and check > things out before hand, there's a better chance I can make > sure she has a good time. > > Anyone up for an OC ride? > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > Anybody riding tmmrw? > > > > Yep. > > > > > > > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need > > > something to do tmmrw > > > as well. > > > > Meet me at the Rusty Rudder in Dewey Beach at > > lunchtime, or at the Crow's Nest (on top of Ocean > > Club) in Ocean City at 3pm or so. > > > > Black w/red 900RR > > > > To hell with Alexandria. It's poser central down at > > the shore, folks. Don't forget your flipflops. > > > > > > -- > > tg > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 18:39:12 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09823 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rEJPa06600 (6397); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1afb8095.24e5f817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:37:11 EDT Subject: Re: Please snip To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 8/13/99 3:27:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: << Have to disagree here.... If it's handled that way, those that are on digest mode will need to sort through the entire digest message to see if they've received any replies. >> ok! ok! :D that makes sense. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 19:43:02 1999 Return-Path: abesmer@XXXXXX Received: from web128.yahoomail.com (web128.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10951 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990813234256.15140.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.168.31.25] by web128.yahoomail.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:42:56 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Audu Besmer Subject: looking for Honda CB 175 parts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey All, I've made it my fall project to fix up my 1971 Honda 175. I need a front wheel, and a speedometer at least. Does anyone out there have such objects laying about, or can anyone recommend parts resources for these? Thanks in advance, Audu === (202) 234-8282 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 21:24:08 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12594 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id VAA23428; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id VAA13507; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5633@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'dcc'" Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source (headlight switch) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:23:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Mark wrote ... I don't think the headlight switch will work, since by law (I think) your bike has to have the headlight on all the time. It won't pass inspection (unless of course Dennis inspects it), and you run the risk of a ticket. >From the AMA site... http://www.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws/index.html Motorcycle Laws for Virginia ... Daytime Use of Headlight. modulating headlight permitted Too bad I don't know what "modulating headlight" means. Does that mean I can mount a strobe on the front of my bike? Maybe a disco ball on the back? Anyway... I know this much: 95% of the time I don't run my headlight during the day (the Brits wrote the book on non-functional charging systems), and I ride past cops all the time. In the 2 years I've been living in Ole Virginny, none of them has stopped me... for the headlight. BUT... it would be rash to jump to the conclusion that your alternator is bad. Even in the manual for my archaic bike they have a "how to test your alternator" section. A lot of mechanics are really just parts changers (not pointing the finger at anyone in particular, just an ignorant generalisation). The tendency is to just change parts until it works again. Don't be like that. Find the problem. If it's your regulator or rectifier (do modern bikes have zeners?), it will be *much* cheaper than $600 to fix. HTH Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 21:27:55 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12671 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA26333; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bee5f4$7e09b960$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , References: <19990813215720.23188.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:29:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Guys, Sounds like a fun ride but screw the hotels.. they'll want a 2-night stay minimum and everyone will say that theirs is THE last room available in OC. It's all designed to bolk the milk the tourists for every penny. It's still a lot of fun... I would plan on going down on a Friday evening (make a late check in time) and stay through Sunday morning. Do all you can into the afternoon but plan on getting out before 4 pm on Sunday. That usually works for me. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: ITM To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? > Well we are going as part of a group, but we will have some time > to ourselves, so I wanted to take her to some nice places while > we were there. Like places to eat, maybe places > with a scenic views, maybe a fun place or activity there, > and what hotels are like, high priced? cheap? ok or to be avoided... > and what about costs in general.. is everything marked up to bilk > the tourists? > > btw the instructor of my MSF course heard that if two bikers park in > one metered spot, the damn meter maids will ticket both bikes, > even if they aren't together and one guy parked there and paid > the meter, and some other guy just came along and parked to conserve > parking space.. Anyone know anything about that? > > That'd really suck if some smuck kicked a bike over because a > bike took up a whole space.. > > > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid Ocean City > > altogether. > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 minutes north of OC > > (same > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns (Bethany and > > Rehobeth). What > > do you want and maybe I can make a suggestion, > > > > Mark > > To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles > > > > cc: > > From: ITM > > Date: 08/13/99 08:51:40 PM GMT > > Subject: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody > > riding > > tmmrw?? > > > > > > > > > > Hmm an OC ride.. Is OC your starting point or destination? > > if starting somewhere else would it be from the DC area, maybe > > some of us will want to ride along. > > > > I'd like to find some nice places in OC to take a girl > > and make an impression on her, I've never been there, but > > I'd like the trip to be special.. so If I can go and check > > things out before hand, there's a better chance I can make > > sure she has a good time. > > > > Anyone up for an OC ride? > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > > Anybody riding tmmrw? > > > > > > Yep. > > > > > > > > > > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need > > > > something to do tmmrw > > > > as well. > > > > > > Meet me at the Rusty Rudder in Dewey Beach at > > > lunchtime, or at the Crow's Nest (on top of Ocean > > > Club) in Ocean City at 3pm or so. > > > > > > Black w/red 900RR > > > > > > To hell with Alexandria. It's poser central down at > > > the shore, folks. Don't forget your flipflops. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > === > Daniel Aka ITM > 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 21:28:00 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12681 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA26333; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bee5f4$7e09b960$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , References: <19990813215720.23188.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:29:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Guys, Sounds like a fun ride but screw the hotels.. they'll want a 2-night stay minimum and everyone will say that theirs is THE last room available in OC. It's all designed to bolk the milk the tourists for every penny. It's still a lot of fun... I would plan on going down on a Friday evening (make a late check in time) and stay through Sunday morning. Do all you can into the afternoon but plan on getting out before 4 pm on Sunday. That usually works for me. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: ITM To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? > Well we are going as part of a group, but we will have some time > to ourselves, so I wanted to take her to some nice places while > we were there. Like places to eat, maybe places > with a scenic views, maybe a fun place or activity there, > and what hotels are like, high priced? cheap? ok or to be avoided... > and what about costs in general.. is everything marked up to bilk > the tourists? > > btw the instructor of my MSF course heard that if two bikers park in > one metered spot, the damn meter maids will ticket both bikes, > even if they aren't together and one guy parked there and paid > the meter, and some other guy just came along and parked to conserve > parking space.. Anyone know anything about that? > > That'd really suck if some smuck kicked a bike over because a > bike took up a whole space.. > > > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid Ocean City > > altogether. > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 minutes north of OC > > (same > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns (Bethany and > > Rehobeth). What > > do you want and maybe I can make a suggestion, > > > > Mark > > To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles > > > > cc: > > From: ITM > > Date: 08/13/99 08:51:40 PM GMT > > Subject: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody > > riding > > tmmrw?? > > > > > > > > > > Hmm an OC ride.. Is OC your starting point or destination? > > if starting somewhere else would it be from the DC area, maybe > > some of us will want to ride along. > > > > I'd like to find some nice places in OC to take a girl > > and make an impression on her, I've never been there, but > > I'd like the trip to be special.. so If I can go and check > > things out before hand, there's a better chance I can make > > sure she has a good time. > > > > Anyone up for an OC ride? > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > > Anybody riding tmmrw? > > > > > > Yep. > > > > > > > > > > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need > > > > something to do tmmrw > > > > as well. > > > > > > Meet me at the Rusty Rudder in Dewey Beach at > > > lunchtime, or at the Crow's Nest (on top of Ocean > > > Club) in Ocean City at 3pm or so. > > > > > > Black w/red 900RR > > > > > > To hell with Alexandria. It's poser central down at > > > the shore, folks. Don't forget your flipflops. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > === > Daniel Aka ITM > 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 21:29:25 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12691 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id VAA24196 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id VAA18552; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5634@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: reply etiquette (was: Please snip) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:28:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain For the those of us who get the list in digest mode, it is better to reply to us and cc the list too. Especially if it time sensitive stuff. Just a thought. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling Mary wrote... >ALSO, please...when you click on "reply" ... check to make sure you aren't >replying to the list, plus the person on the list who sent the message cause >then THAT person gets your message twice ... or more depending on how many >individual names are in the "send to" box in addition to the list... From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 21:43:01 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12934 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA17340 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:39:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:42:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source (headlight switch) In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5633@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A modulating headlight is one that appears to flicker rapidly. There are specific rules about it's flicker speed (must be fast enough) and rules that say it can't just switch on and off -- must always be at least a certain brightness. They really do grab your attention. I remember someone on this list related a story of being hassled by a clueless cop about their headlight modulator -- some bs about illegal flashing lights. As for daytime headlight, I don't think it's illegal to run without in VA -- not sure though -- BUT my two cents is that it greatly increases visibility, and is therefore a Really Good Thing (tm). Especially around here, where folks are much too busy to pay attention to their driving. -ph From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 21:51:50 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13082 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA03214 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? In-Reply-To: <19990813204509.9281.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, ITM wrote: > Ken what are your plans for the sunday morning ride? There's some HTSA thing up outside of Baltimore. I don't know anything about it, other than how to get there. Somebody from this list sent me directions. > Any chance you are related to John woods in laurel who lives > across from digenaro's (in those apartments) ? Nope. Well, there's always the chance, but I don't think so. > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > Anybody riding tmmrw? > > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need something to do -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 22:24:56 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13573 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-214-151.s405.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.151]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id WAA14277; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:24:49 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 99 22:15:47 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: dc-cycles , Ken Woods X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >From the MD HSTA newsletter. John is also on the list. Prior to each Sunday ride we will have Breakfast at the Four Seasons Restaurant. Breakfast is at 8:00 AM SHARP. The restaurant gets very busy so try to be on time. The Four Seasons is located on Rt. 144 just east of the junction of Rt. 27 and I-70 in Mount Airy, Md. You can see the restaurant on the south side of I-70 just east of Rt. 27. Even if you can't ride with us that day why not come by for a good breakfast and some great conversation. If you need directions call Jack at 301-854-3852. ALL rides are scheduled for the Third Sunday of the Month so if you are not sure chech a calendar or call one of us. ***** Because of STAR only the June ride will be held on the 2nd Sunday of the month. Breakfast at 8 and Ride at 10. I haven't yet decided if I will go up, leaving my house at 7:00 on a Sunday morning isn't easy. Also my front tire is pretty square, and turn in is bad at best. greg --- On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Ken Woods wrote: >On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, ITM wrote: > >> Ken what are your plans for the sunday morning ride? > >There's some HTSA thing up outside of Baltimore. >I don't know anything about it, other than how to get there. >Somebody from this list sent me directions. > >> Any chance you are related to John woods in laurel who lives >> across from digenaro's (in those apartments) ? > >Nope. >Well, there's always the chance, but I don't think so. > > >> --- Ken Woods wrote: >> > Anybody riding tmmrw? >> > I've got plans for a Sunday morning ride, but need something to do > >-- >Ken Woods >kwoods@XXXXXX >F4 > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/13/99 HSTA/AMA 10:15:47 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 22:44:48 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13890 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-202.patriot.net [209.249.180.202]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02745; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <37B4D5F0.5E0CFA89@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:35:28 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" CC: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'dcc'" Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source (headlight switch) References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5633@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Modulated headlight - a trick thing that pulses the hedlight to presumabley make you more visible. Very popular with the Beemer/Gold Wing crowd. Bill Crishock, Richard M, BGM wrote: > Mark wrote ... > > I don't think the headlight switch will work, since by law (I think) your > bike has to have the headlight on all the time. It won't pass inspection > (unless of course Dennis inspects it), and you run the risk of a ticket. > > > >From the AMA site... > http://www.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws/index.html > > Motorcycle Laws for Virginia > ... Daytime Use of Headlight. modulating headlight permitted > > Too bad I don't know what "modulating headlight" means. Does that mean I > can mount a strobe on the front of my bike? Maybe a disco ball on the back? > Anyway... I know this much: 95% of the time I don't run my headlight during > the day (the Brits wrote the book on non-functional charging systems), and I > ride past cops all the time. In the 2 years I've been living in Ole > Virginny, none of them has stopped me... for the headlight. > > BUT... it would be rash to jump to the conclusion that your alternator is > bad. Even in the manual for my archaic bike they have a "how to test your > alternator" section. A lot of mechanics are really just parts changers (not > pointing the finger at anyone in particular, just an ignorant > generalisation). The tendency is to just change parts until it works again. > Don't be like that. Find the problem. If it's your regulator or rectifier > (do modern bikes have zeners?), it will be *much* cheaper than $600 to fix. > > HTH > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 13 23:09:51 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14317 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id XAA23119 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id XAA17947; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:09:18 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5636@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: more etiquette and lektrickel stuff Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:09:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain ...And since we're on the subject, *please* turn off the html. And then there's this, from the Brit-Iron list: For those of you doing electrical testing on those high techy alternators on the modern bikes: As I've mentioned before: Don't let the smoke out. Contrary to the training some of us have received, it's the smoke flowing in the wires that makes things work. Let the smoke out, and it ain't gonna work no more....no mo.. ever.. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 01:35:34 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16765 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990814053501.10605.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:35:01 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: smoke in the wires? was Re: more etiquette and lektrickel stuff To: "'dcc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Smoke in the wires? thats' a joke right? that guy isn't funny. --- "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" wrote: > ...And since we're on the subject, *please* turn off the html. > > And then there's this, from the Brit-Iron list: > > For those of you doing electrical testing on those high techy > alternators on the modern bikes: As I've mentioned before: Don't > let the > smoke out. Contrary to the training some of us have received, > it's the > smoke flowing in the wires that makes things work. Let the smoke > out, > and it ain't gonna work no more....no mo.. ever.. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 01:46:38 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16963 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA06342; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:49:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:49:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: "'dc'" , schelzig@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990813152127.00c2c100@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 03:08 PM 8/13/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: > >Thanks for all the comments on my CX power problem. The reason we thought > >it was alternator related is that we put up a voltmeter (sic?) up to the > >battery with the engine on, and noticed no jump in the charge when we > >revved it up. > > You should read about 14 volts with the engine at 3,000 rpm or > higher. Anything above 13.2 means your battery is charging. > > If you aren't getting enough voltage it could be due to a bad battery > (shorted out or unchargeable), a bad voltage regulator, or a bad > generator/alternator. Best is to follow your service manual's instructions > for trouble-shooting. Right. > > For me, any bike battery over 2 yrs. old is cause to replace it first if > there's any big problems like this Why? Your previous paragraph seems like a better approach. - the batteries are stressed a lot on > the older bikes (what year is your CX, 1983 or so?). Then clean all > connections, even down to the brushes on the generator or the slipring > contacts in the alternator. This is not necessary unless it's necessary; that is, unless alternator output is inadequate. Unfortunately, I think your > generator/alternator may be buried deep in the engine. > > > >Is this the battery charger company just trying to cover > >themselves, or is there a legitimate concern with combustion of batteries? > >Could I put the tender and the battery in some sort of weather protected > >box? In the basement? Ideas? > Keep it dry, but not enclosed tightly. A small tarp will do. You can leave the battery in the bike. > Batteries that are being charged put out hydrogen gas. Like the stuff the > Hindenburg had in it. > Yes and no: hydrogen is result of water electrolysis from overcharging. The 1.25 amp Battery Tender should do very little of this. Further, hydrogen need adequate concentration and a spark or flame to explode. Keep the battery vent tube open and plug/unplug the charger AFTER hooking to the battery (no sparks). Should be no problem. Note: large and/or manual chargers may generate significant hydrogen. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 02:28:40 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18311 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990814062708.25172.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.253] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:27:08 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aux. Power Source To: Garcia Oliver , Chris Norloff Cc: "'dc'" , schelzig@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii By the guy checking at the battery, it checks the whole charging system, not just the altenator.. Doesn't really diagnose the problem. --- Garcia Oliver wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > > > At 03:08 PM 8/13/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: > > >Thanks for all the comments on my CX power problem. The reason > we thought > > >it was alternator related is that we put up a voltmeter (sic?) > up to the > > >battery with the engine on, and noticed no jump in the charge > when we > > >revved it up. > > > > You should read about 14 volts with the engine at 3,000 rpm or > > higher. Anything above 13.2 means your battery is charging. > > > > If you aren't getting enough voltage it could be due to a bad > battery > > (shorted out or unchargeable), a bad voltage regulator, or a bad > > generator/alternator. Best is to follow your service manual's > instructions > > for trouble-shooting. > > > Right. > > > > > For me, any bike battery over 2 yrs. old is cause to replace it > first if > > there's any big problems like this > > > Why? Your previous paragraph seems like a better approach. > > > - the batteries are stressed a lot on > > the older bikes (what year is your CX, 1983 or so?). Then clean > all > > connections, even down to the brushes on the generator or the > slipring > > contacts in the alternator. > > > This is not necessary unless it's necessary; that is, unless > alternator > output is inadequate. > > > Unfortunately, I think your > > generator/alternator may be buried deep in the engine. > > > > > > >Is this the battery charger company just trying to cover > > >themselves, or is there a legitimate concern with combustion of > batteries? > > >Could I put the tender and the battery in some sort of weather > protected > > >box? In the basement? Ideas? > > > > Keep it dry, but not enclosed tightly. A small tarp will do. You > can > leave the battery in the bike. > > > > Batteries that are being charged put out hydrogen gas. Like the > stuff the > > Hindenburg had in it. > > > > > Yes and no: hydrogen is result of water electrolysis from > overcharging. > The 1.25 amp Battery Tender should do very little of this. > Further, > hydrogen need adequate concentration and a spark or flame to > explode. > Keep the battery vent tube open and plug/unplug the charger AFTER > hooking > to the battery (no sparks). Should be no problem. Note: large > and/or > manual chargers may generate significant hydrogen. > > --garcia > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 05:55:02 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA24252 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1951 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 09:52:43 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 09:52:43 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA05331; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:50:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:50:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199908140950.FAA05331@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pics w/high pipe On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:23:42 -0700 Kirt Senser wrote: >Hey Grant, > There are apparently a few guys over in the Annanadale/Fairfax area >that have SVs and followed suit by adding a buell windshield... You may >have started a trend. Sure,go ahead and put Buell parts on your bike. Don't come crying to me when they fall off..... The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 05:57:51 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA24336 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2691 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 09:55:36 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 09:55:36 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA28400; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:54:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:54:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199908140954.FAA28400@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Garcia Oliver wrote: > >Anyone else familiar with the convention that a helmet on the ground is a >request for help; on the bike means no problem? This can be seen farther >than the direction of a thumb and allows you to work on the bike at the >same time. Especially if your helmet is the same color as mine. ;-) BTW,has anyone seen one of the bright orange RF800's? I'm thinking of upgrading my 700,but read somewhere the 800's color wasn't as bright. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 06:01:23 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA24421 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3532 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 09:59:08 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 09:59:08 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA05596; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:57:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:57:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199908140957.FAA05596@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:SV Mods - Twin headlight kit On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:21:16 EDT Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >http://www.motoventure.com/pwrbrzlights.htm > >>From a site called the 'street fighter garage'. Yipe! $260! Me thinks you could get a set of lights from a salvage yard and make your own setup for much less $$$. Plus you'd still be able to toggle between high/low beam. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 06:07:33 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA24500 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4996 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 10:05:19 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 10:05:19 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA28664; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:04:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:04:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199908141004.GAA28664@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coffee to go (Was RE:bike accessories) On Thu, 12 Aug 99 16:52:05 EDT Greg Sachs wrote: >CamelBak is the answer. Definitely. After my stint in the dessert,I can't stress enough how important it is to keep hydrated. CamelBak is a must for summer all-day rides. >Certaily keeps my water cold for hours if packed with ice, I'd imagine it >would do decently with hot stuff as well(if, of course, you want to drink >coffee from a straw). Saw an item at Linens and Things that might help. It's a gel pack you can either freeze as an ice sub or warm in the microwave to keep things warm. Should be able to stuff one inside the Bak's pouch. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 07:09:55 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25415 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-41.patriot.net [209.249.180.41]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA18876; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:09:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37B54D7C.3D82494C@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:05:32 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides References: <199908140954.FAA28400@web2.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know the model numbers, but in the early 90s a couple helmet makers produced safety orange helmets at the request of us members of the APBA/AOF. Orange is required by our safety regs. I think Simpson, Shoei, and Bell made them. The suckers were almost as bright as a 3-coat flouresent job. Bill former hydroplane pilot (ret). Gil Nissley wrote: > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > >Anyone else familiar with the convention that a helmet on the ground is a > >request for help; on the bike means no problem? This can be seen farther > >than the direction of a thumb and allows you to work on the bike at the > >same time. > > Especially if your helmet is the same color as mine. ;-) > > BTW,has anyone seen one of the bright orange RF800's? I'm thinking of upgrading my 700,but read somewhere the 800's color wasn't as bright. > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 07:53:11 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26085 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-41.patriot.net [209.249.180.41]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20168; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: <37B557A3.851C994A@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:48:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pics w/high pipe References: <199908140950.FAA05331@musone.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I take it that you've had bad luck with a Buell? Bill Gil Nissley wrote: > Sure,go ahead and put Buell parts on your bike. > > Don't come crying to me when they fall off..... > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 23:05:37 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11127 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10267 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 03:03:28 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 03:03:28 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA16517; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:02:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:02:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199908150302.XAA16517@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riders stopping for other riders: WAS:long Iron Butt rides On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:05:32 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >Don't know the model numbers, but in the early 90s a couple helmet makers produced safety orange helmets at the request of us members of the >APBA/AOF. Orange is required by our safety regs. I think Simpson, Shoei, and Bell made them. The suckers were almost as bright as a 3-coat >flouresent job. That would be my RF700. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 14 23:18:25 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11306 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14530 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 03:16:13 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 03:16:13 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA17975; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:13:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:13:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199908150313.XAA17975@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pics w/high pipe On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:48:51 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >I take it that you've had bad luck with a Buell? Not one,two. '95 S2 and '96 S1. You can read about most of the fun on Moto Online(http://www.motorcycle.com) under the S2 and Bikini Bike reviews. Just look for my name in the reader feedbacks. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 15 00:37:07 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12489 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-238-228.s228.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.238.228]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id AAA21092; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:37:02 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 00:34:21 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: gloves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I realize it is coleman, but they have the Pilot USA TRG gloves on sale for $25, from 60. Seem reasonable, especially at the price. Bought a pair until I can get new Helds in Cleveland. www.pilotusa.com, these are the TRG gloves. Oh, this is falls chirch greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/15/99 HSTA/AMA 12:34:21 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 15 09:59:12 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22340 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-216.patriot.net [209.249.180.216]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09936 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:59:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37B6C6AB.B8829DEE@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:54:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Seats and aftermarket companys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who ride thier bike more'n 50 miles before a butt-break, a comfy seat is a must. Dense foam and smooth saddle with no stitchs, tufts, buttons, emossed eagles or rising suns whatsover makes for a happy butt. So I get a wad of cash and spring for a good seat. Corbin. Yep, it is a butt pleaser fer sure. I luv my Corbin, but (one T) ... Corbin makesa zillion seats but only one model fis my machine. Okay, no prob, and I got a deal `cause a dist had one in stock and the R&R passed the savings on to me. Fits H-D `93 FLHS, sez the blurb. I installed it. Hmmm.... *wiggle wiggle* Nope, said custom fit seat won't go on the bike right without removing the STOCK grab bar thingy. A phone call confirms my observation, but gee! Corbin has a grab bar that will fit with the seat, for only $169. This prompts a hearty "F--K YOU an' the horse you rode to town!" from me. Bastards. Custom fit my arse. Rain put me in the garage yesterday, and I looked at the grab bar, looked at the bike, and sez I can do this. Mods are underway. A *lift* kit for the seat. Maybe I could crank out blueprints and sell them to Corbin. Than they could provide, for say $100, a custom fit kit for thier custom fitted seat. Instruction #1 - Drop pants and bend over... Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 15 12:40:01 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24949 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.169]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:24:48 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bill Huson" , Subject: RE: Seats and aftermarket companys Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:24:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bee73a$a23a4600$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37B6C6AB.B8829DEE@patriot.net> Thanks for the reminder about Corbin's lovely designs. Thank goodness for Travelcade, Diamond, Mayer, etc, etc, etc. Doesn't Le Pera have something to fit your bike? I thought they made seats for all HD's. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 15 20:17:05 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01998 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-179.patriot.net [209.249.180.179]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA05908; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:17:00 -0400 Message-ID: <37B7577D.88BEFF81@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:12:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Seats and aftermarket companys References: <000001bee73a$a23a4600$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LePera might have a seat, but I have an FLHS which seems to be the H-D stepchild and father of the Road King. I like low, look over not thru windshields and had to modify one to get what I wanted. I tried the temporary seat mods today and it works. One more trick to try - subjecting the H-D grab bar to my 12 ton press to alter the shape some. That should be fun. Bill If it don't fit, get a bigger hammer.... George Howell wrote: > Thanks for the reminder about Corbin's lovely designs. Thank goodness for > Travelcade, Diamond, Mayer, etc, etc, etc. > > Doesn't Le Pera have something to fit your bike? I thought they made seats > for all HD's. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 15 20:29:12 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02159 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-179.patriot.net [209.249.180.179]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06482; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:29:00 -0400 Message-ID: <37B75A4D.9588BFC9@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:24:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pics w/high pipe References: <199908150313.XAA17975@musone.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read it and wept. I actually looked at the Buells, but my canyon carving days are over so I nixed them. Lucky me :-) Bill Gil Nissley wrote: > Not one,two. '95 S2 and '96 S1. You can read about most of the fun on Moto Online(http://www.motorcycle.com) under the S2 and Bikini Bike reviews. Just look for my name in the reader feedbacks. > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 08:57:22 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15888 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990816125442.2826.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 05:54:42 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm going to Connecticut in two weeks (the part along 95 near NYC) and thinking of riding rather than driving... can anyone recommend a good route? The idea of taking my usual 95/NJ Turnpike route on the bike is not appealing. Something not much longer but more bike friendly would be ideal. I'll be travelling north early on a Saturday, and returning on Monday. Thanks for any suggestions... === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:19:03 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16243 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990816131857.9642.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:18:57 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: pics w/high pipe To: Bill Huson , Gil Nissley Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh Christ....go ahead, Gil, post your Buell reports. I'm due for a good laugh anyway. -- tg --- Bill Huson wrote: > I take it that you've had bad luck with a Buell? > > Bill > > Gil Nissley wrote: > > > Sure,go ahead and put Buell parts on your bike. > > > > Don't come crying to me when they fall off..... > > > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > > > '98 Dyna Convertible _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:20:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16330 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFFD6F5A00AE; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:19:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990816091520.00be5680@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:16:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? In-Reply-To: <19990813215720.23188.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:57 PM 8/13/99 , ITM wrote: >btw the instructor of my MSF course heard that if two bikers park in >one metered spot, the damn meter maids will ticket both bikes, >even if they aren't together and one guy parked there and paid >the meter, and some other guy just came along and parked to conserve >parking space.. Anyone know anything about that? I believe that's a Maryland law. Basically passed to get more revenue and to make it less desirable for bikers riding together. Yet another reason to avoid Ocean City and go north to the Delaware beaches. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:23:46 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16350 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 16:21:32 UT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 9:21 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "jwhiteside@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose Message-ID: <1999081609231644-e4193e0@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can't make any suggestions other than to go at a time that is way off peak traffic flow. Jeannette and I experienced the worst traffic of our lives trying to drive through that area. Personally, I don't know of any other routes going up that way except for the NJTP. Later, Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:26:14 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16363 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990816132554.14785.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:25:54 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, ITM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid > Ocean City altogether. > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > minutes north of OC (same > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > (Bethany and Rehobeth). Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a special weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice and quiet. -- tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:31:50 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16511 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990816133017.3322.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.229] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:30:17 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: Tom Gimer , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Funny thing is, I was talking to the girl, and I asked her what was so special about OC compared to any other beach she said nothing.. She mentioned she went to rehobeth.. i was like rehobeth, I heard of that.. I heard it was nice, then she said she didn't like it... and said it was gay.. so I say.. you mean gay, like in slang, for anything stupid or undesirable, or gay as in homosexual? and she said both. heh heh. She said she was uncomfortable and girls kept checking her out. heh heh. She doesn't want to go back you tried to set me up! j/k hehe Now she's talking about she may have to work, and might not go.. so we'll see.. If it's just a beach with the boardwalk, doesn't sound too great, as there are a couple right up 301 I think. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid > > Ocean City altogether. > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > > minutes north of OC (same > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > > (Bethany and Rehobeth). > > Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. > > I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a special > weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) > > I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice and > quiet. > > > > -- > tg > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:50:44 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16813 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Mon, 16 Aug 99 13:50:30 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa004Bn; Mon, 16 Aug 99 13:50:22 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:50:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Horkster.. Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:49:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Dale.. can you shoot me a MSG.. I have the contact info for the CB750 Brian (sorry for wasting bandwidth) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:52:46 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16825 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 16:50:32 UT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 9:50 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody Message-ID: <19990816095316382-e5d0c73@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why not try Virginia Beach instead? They have a really nice atmosphere, it's a decent area, and it's cheaper than OC. They also have plenty of parking available. I like it a lot but I would plan on avoiding it on Labor Day weekend. Extremely crowded! Later, Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody ri Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08/16/1999 9:30 AM Funny thing is, I was talking to the girl, and I asked her what was so special about OC compared to any other beach she said nothing.. She mentioned she went to rehobeth.. i was like rehobeth, I heard of that.. I heard it was nice, then she said she didn't like it... and said it was gay.. so I say.. you mean gay, like in slang, for anything stupid or undesirable, or gay as in homosexual? and she said both. heh heh. She said she was uncomfortable and girls kept checking her out. heh heh. She doesn't want to go back you tried to set me up! j/k hehe Now she's talking about she may have to work, and might not go.. so we'll see.. If it's just a beach with the boardwalk, doesn't sound too great, as there are a couple right up 301 I think. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid > > Ocean City altogether. > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > > minutes north of OC (same > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > > (Bethany and Rehobeth). > > Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. > > I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a special > weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) > > I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice and > quiet. > > > > -- > tg > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:52:42 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16824 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 16:50:29 UT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 9:50 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody Message-ID: <19990816095316382-e5d0c73@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why not try Virginia Beach instead? They have a really nice atmosphere, it's a decent area, and it's cheaper than OC. They also have plenty of parking available. I like it a lot but I would plan on avoiding it on Labor Day weekend. Extremely crowded! Later, Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody ri Author: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08/16/1999 9:30 AM Funny thing is, I was talking to the girl, and I asked her what was so special about OC compared to any other beach she said nothing.. She mentioned she went to rehobeth.. i was like rehobeth, I heard of that.. I heard it was nice, then she said she didn't like it... and said it was gay.. so I say.. you mean gay, like in slang, for anything stupid or undesirable, or gay as in homosexual? and she said both. heh heh. She said she was uncomfortable and girls kept checking her out. heh heh. She doesn't want to go back you tried to set me up! j/k hehe Now she's talking about she may have to work, and might not go.. so we'll see.. If it's just a beach with the boardwalk, doesn't sound too great, as there are a couple right up 301 I think. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid > > Ocean City altogether. > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > > minutes north of OC (same > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > > (Bethany and Rehobeth). > > Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. > > I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a special > weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) > > I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice and > quiet. > > > > -- > tg > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:54:36 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16843 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-42.patriot.net [209.249.180.42]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08969; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37B81714.4D145D92@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:50:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose References: <19990816125442.2826.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've forgotten the exact route #s but can scope them out if needed. North into PA on I-83 I think. You sort of skim by west of NYC and cross the Hudson at the Tapenzee (sp?) bridge. Downsides - PA hasn't learned the art of paving roads, and last time I was on it the CN trpk was no joy either. But the western route is a bit less horrifying than I-95. Bill John Whiteside wrote: > I'm going to Connecticut in two weeks (the part along > 95 near NYC) and thinking of riding rather than > driving... can anyone recommend a good route? The idea > of taking my usual 95/NJ Turnpike route on the bike is > not appealing. Something not much longer but more bike > friendly would be ideal. I'll be travelling north > early on a Saturday, and returning on Monday. > > Thanks for any suggestions... > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:56:44 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16856 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-42.patriot.net [209.249.180.42]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09151; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:56:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37B8178C.EAF43961@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:52:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? References: <19990816132554.14785.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit heeheehee. *I* wasn't going to mention that. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid > > Ocean City altogether. > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > > minutes north of OC (same > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > > (Bethany and Rehobeth). > > Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. > > I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a special > weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) > > I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice and > quiet. > > -- > tg > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 09:58:51 1999 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16935 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([156.40.49.124]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA3142210 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B8190D.2C1E657@boo.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:58:37 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The dc-cycles list administrator Subject: TL1000S info needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sold my Hawk GT because I needed a bigger twin. I am thinking about a TL, I have heard that they work great with some people and crappie with others. I would really like to ride one first, so... If you own a TL and would not mind trading for a short ride I'll buy you a six-pack or a sandwich. you could fallow ar lead on my Triumph T-595. I do have on list references. I think with all the people on this list and all the newish bikes we ride I think we could all help each other out by swapping bikes around. If the dealerships won't let us ride there bikes this might be a way for use to get a better idea what bike we want to by. Thanks!! Jay From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 10:01:26 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17030 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990816140110.18653.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:01:10 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: Bill Huson Cc: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, Tweety, some of us are ballsier than others. Joke. --- Bill Huson wrote: > heeheehee. *I* wasn't going to mention that. > > Bill > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > If you want to make it special with a girl, > avoid > > > Ocean City altogether. > > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > > > minutes north of OC (same > > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > > > (Bethany and Rehobeth). > > > > Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. > > > > I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a > special > > weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) > > > > I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice > and > > quiet. > > > > -- > > tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 10:03:01 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17048 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990816140013.1904.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:00:13 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ITM wrote: > She said she > was uncomfortable and girls kept checking her out. > heh heh. > She doesn't want to go back Jeez, some people don't know how to take a compliment. One of my friends (straight, female) prefers Rehoboth to the other beach towns because, she says, there are better places to eat, fewer families with wailing children, and no dopey guys hitting on her. Sounds like a better place for a romantic getaway (instead of meat market scene) to me. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 10:04:50 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17063 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990816140203.2508.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:02:03 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, I'll check out a map. As a Connecticut native I know better than to ever use the CT turnpike. The Merrit/Wilbur Cross Parkway is a much better bet (state route 15)... --- Bill Huson wrote: > I've forgotten the exact route #s but can scope them > out if needed. > North into PA on I-83 I think. You sort of skim by > west of NYC and cross > the Hudson at the Tapenzee (sp?) bridge. Downsides - > PA hasn't learned > the art of paving roads, and last time I was on it > the CN trpk was no > joy either. But the western route is a bit less > horrifying than I-95. > > Bill > > John Whiteside wrote: > > > I'm going to Connecticut in two weeks (the part > along > > 95 near NYC) and thinking of riding rather than > > driving... can anyone recommend a good route? The > idea > > of taking my usual 95/NJ Turnpike route on the > bike is > > not appealing. Something not much longer but more > bike > > friendly would be ideal. I'll be travelling north > > early on a Saturday, and returning on Monday. > > > > Thanks for any suggestions... > > > > === > > John Whiteside > > Arlington, VA > > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 10:11:36 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17148 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA16370; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:09:40 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma013656; Mon, 16 Aug 99 10:05:44 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGK007ZP9W7J2@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CF.004D3A46 ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:03:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:54:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? To: ITM Cc: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CF.004C7935.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hey now, no set up intended! Rehobeth is about 80% family, maybe 20% gay. Still a very nice town. Mark To: Tom Gimer , Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@C&L US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ITM Date: 08/16/99 01:30:17 PM GMT Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? Funny thing is, I was talking to the girl, and I asked her what was so special about OC compared to any other beach she said nothing.. She mentioned she went to rehobeth.. i was like rehobeth, I heard of that.. I heard it was nice, then she said she didn't like it... and said it was gay.. so I say.. you mean gay, like in slang, for anything stupid or undesirable, or gay as in homosexual? and she said both. heh heh. She said she was uncomfortable and girls kept checking her out. heh heh. She doesn't want to go back you tried to set me up! j/k hehe Now she's talking about she may have to work, and might not go.. so we'll see.. If it's just a beach with the boardwalk, doesn't sound too great, as there are a couple right up 301 I think. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you want to make it special with a girl, avoid > > Ocean City altogether. > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > > minutes north of OC (same > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > > (Bethany and Rehobeth). > > Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. > > I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a special > weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) > > I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice and > quiet. > > > > -- > tg > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 10:32:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17512 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1128D018A; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:32:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990816103244.00c0cc80@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:33:50 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Bill Huson From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody riding tmmrw?? Cc: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990816140110.18653.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This looks like it might be headed for a melt-down like last week. Let's talk about motorcycles. thanks, Chris Norloff At 10:01 AM 8/16/99 , Tom Gimer wrote: >Well, Tweety, some of us are ballsier than others. > >Joke. > > >--- Bill Huson wrote: > > heeheehee. *I* wasn't going to mention that. > > > > Bill > > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > If you want to make it special with a girl, > > avoid > > > > Ocean City altogether. > > > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > > > > minutes north of OC (same > > > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > > > > (Bethany and Rehobeth). > > > > > > Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a > > special > > > weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) > > > > > > I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice > > and > > > quiet. > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 10:53:15 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17838 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA29441 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:53:10 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:53:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:53:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Downsides - PA hasn't learned the art of paving roads Actually, if you stay off the main routes, the roads aren't all that bad. The main routes, however... A pothole on PA route 222 ate a front wheel on my scooter in June between Reading and Lancaster. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 11:08:04 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18079 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:06:54 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:06:15 -0400 Message-Id: <37B8297B.E17C4F44@trw.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:08:55 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: The New Victory Sport Cruiser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, have you all seen Motorcycle Online's article on the new Victory V92SC? I think it looks pretty sharp. I also like the new Excelsior-Henderson Super X. All this from a sportbike nut and road racer. I don't think I would own either of these machines (even if I had the cash), but I am impressed with the styling of the SC, and I hope it means even sportier bikes are coming. I'm curious to know what everyone thinks of the recent rebirth of the American motorcycle industry, especially any Harley types on the list. -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG voice (703) 648-0122 fax (703) 648-2448 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 11:15:17 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18238 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA26556; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:15:52 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab24948; Mon, 16 Aug 99 11:14:18 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGK00MU7D3W75@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567CF.00539343 ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:12:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:59:10 -0400 Subject: Re: TL1000S info needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567CF.00526022.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Jay, Before you buy a TLS, I think you should go to the TLS owner registry. I was looking at the TLS and VTR before I bought my bike, and was horrified to read about all the problems the TLS owners reported on the registry. There were *many* comments such as "If I'd known then what I know now, I never would have bought this bike" and "I can't believe Suzuki would sell a bike with problems like these." Check it out through the sport-twin website at http://www.sport-twin.com. I ended up going for the VTR because (among other things) the VTR registry had almost nothing but good things to say about the bike. In terms of reliability and time out of the shop, I think you'd do better even with a Ducati than the TLS. If you don't care for the VTR (some don't, although I can't imagine why), why not look into the SV650? Same displacement, but a lot more power than the Hawk. Sweet bike. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 (loving every minute) To: The dc-cycles list administrator cc: From: Jay Goddard Date: 08/16/99 01:58:37 PM GMT Subject: TL1000S info needed I sold my Hawk GT because I needed a bigger twin. I am thinking about a TL, I have heard that they work great with some people and crappie with others. I would really like to ride one first, so... If you own a TL and would not mind trading for a short ride I'll buy you a six-pack or a sandwich. you could fallow ar lead on my Triumph T-595. I do have on list references. I think with all the people on this list and all the newish bikes we ride I think we could all help each other out by swapping bikes around. If the dealerships won't let us ride there bikes this might be a way for use to get a better idea what bike we want to by. Thanks!! Jay ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 11:25:47 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18320 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 18:23:29 UT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:25 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody Message-ID: <19990816112616666-eb2326f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll second that... in fact... in a short while I'll post a ride report from yesterday! Had a great time btw... Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody ri Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Date: 08/16/1999 10:33 AM This looks like it might be headed for a melt-down like last week. Let's talk about motorcycles. thanks, Chris Norloff At 10:01 AM 8/16/99 , Tom Gimer wrote: >Well, Tweety, some of us are ballsier than others. > >Joke. > > >--- Bill Huson wrote: > > heeheehee. *I* wasn't going to mention that. > > > > Bill > > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > If you want to make it special with a girl, > > avoid > > > > Ocean City altogether. > > > > It is a total cheese-town. If you go about 45 > > > > minutes north of OC (same > > > > distance from DC) there are some nicer towns > > > > (Bethany and Rehobeth). > > > > > > Some of us prefer cheese to sausage. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to have a > > special > > > weekend with a GIRL. Avoid Rehobeth. ;) > > > > > > I'll agree with you on the Bethany thing. Nice > > and > > > quiet. > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 11:49:41 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.103]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18804 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA258092 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:49:11 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id LAA31210 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:49:02 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567CF.0056ECFE ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:49:27 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567CF.0055ACCD.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:03:27 -0400 Subject: "Two Fat Ladies" chef Jennifer Paterson dies at 71 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Updated 5:19 PM ET August 10, 1999 By Genny Wilkinson LONDON (Reuters) - British television chef Jennifer Paterson -- one half of the hit cooking duo Two Fat Ladies -- died Tuesday of lung cancer, the BBC said. Paterson, 71, and co-presenter Clarissa Dickson Wright wrote four cookbooks together, and their BBC series "Two Fat Ladies" was syndicated in 10 countries. Loud, funny and unashamedly corpulent, the chain-smoking Paterson and her equally portly partner were famous around the world for their eccentric culinary antics and road trips in their motorcycle and sidecar. Most recently, Paterson and Dickson Wright emerged as cult figures on U.S. television where tamer chefs like Martha Stewart often bored aficionados with their delicately prepared dishes and even more carefully chosen words. "Jennifer was a good friend, a great trooper and a constant source of surprise," Dickson Wright said. Rejecting the pretensions of haute cuisine, Paterson and Dickson Wright dipped into treacle tarts, streaky bacon and deviled kidneys without regard to calories, cholesterol or arteries. Last year, Paterson said she was in a fine fettle for her age. "The secret? Lots of meat, drink and cigarettes and not giving in to things," she said. "Jennifer was a life force on the side of all things that were politically incorrect," said Will Wyatt, chief executive of BBC Broadcast. A heavyweight in and out of the kitchen, Paterson had a raucous sense of humor. "We did some cooking for a rowing eight once. They were beautiful. They had to send me off to a convent to cook for nuns afterward to cool me off," she quipped. "We are still waiting to walk into a vegetarian restaurant and ask for the meat option," Paterson once joked. Even British nobility succumbed to her charm. Prince Charles sent a gift of homemade organic tomato soup and vanilla ice cream to the ailing star, who went public with her illness in July. Paterson, who got her start cooking lunches for the literary famous of British magazine The Spectator, was regularly seen around London on her Honda motorbike. But viewers knew her best on the trusty Triumph Thunderbird with Dickson Wright riding its Watsonian sidecar. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 11:56:43 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f297.hotmail.com [207.82.251.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18906 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54064 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 1999 15:56:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990816155609.54063.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.248.59.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:56:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.248.59.66] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: redbelly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000S info needed Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:56:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Jay, I have a 97 TL and love it. I have had no problemsat all. I used to have a Hawk also and really wanted a super hawk. When I rode both the Hawk and the TL I forgot all about the Hawk. I wanted something more sporty. The Superhawk is a fantasic bike but not for me. If you want to meet up and ride it let me know. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s >From: Jay Goddard >To: The dc-cycles list administrator >Subject: TL1000S info needed >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:58:37 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 12:22:44 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com (e2.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19426 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22802 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:22:19 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id MAA31246 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:22:10 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567CF.0059F4F6 ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:22:33 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567CF.0059F405.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:22:31 -0400 Subject: The New Victory Sport Cruiser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Randy Moran wrote in part: >>I'm curious to know what everyone thinks of the recent rebirth of the >>American motorcycle industry, especially any Harley types on the list. I just saw this in today's Syndey Morning Herald (http://www.drive.com.au/). I for one am glad to see that Harley-D is doing well. Don't own one but wouldn't turn one down either if somebody wanted to give me one. Hogs on a roll First Published: Monday, August 16, 1999 In an age of increasingly sophisticated, lightweight cars and bikes, Harley-Davidson just keeps on getting bigger. Harley-Davidson has just had its best month ever worldwide, with strong sales coming from its home market, Europe and the Asia-Pacific region. Sales for Harley's second quarter were up 17.7 percent over the same period last year, part of trend Harley management says is strengthening. "The worldwide heavyweight motorcycle market is in the midst of its eighth consecutive year of growth," said Jeffrey L. Bleustein, chairman and chief executive officer of Harley-Davidson, Inc. "Retail registration data shows the worldwide (651cc-plus) motorcycle market grew 13.9 percent relative to 1998, while registrations of Harley-Davidson and Buell motorcycles grew 30.6 percent during the same period. "In fact, our US, Europe and Asia-Pacific markets are each experiencing double-digit retail registration growth." Mr Bleustein said the strong international interest Harley had led to increased production of the American motorcycling icon. "Based on the market's growth and our manufacturing capabilities, we have increased our production target for Harley-Davidson motorcycles for 1999 from 168,000 to 172,000. "However, even with this planned production increase, it is unlikely that the company will be able to sustain a 30-plus percent rate of retail registration growth during the second half of the year." Regards, Tom Knapik '83 CX650 E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 12:28:22 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19530 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id MAA25934; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990816122854.007cf100@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:28:54 -0400 To: "DAN KENNEY" , redbelly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: TL1000S info needed In-Reply-To: <19990816155609.54063.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hay, wait a minute here!! As Jay's wife don't I get a say in this???????? At 08:56 AM 8/16/99 PDT, DAN KENNEY wrote: > >Jay, >I have a 97 TL and love it. I have had no problemsat all. I used to have a >Hawk also and really wanted a super hawk. When I rode both the Hawk and the >TL I forgot all about the Hawk. I wanted something more sporty. The >Superhawk is a fantasic bike but not for me. If you want to meet up and ride >it let me know. > > >Dan Kenney > >Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > >>From: Jay Goddard >>To: The dc-cycles list administrator >>Subject: TL1000S info needed >>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:58:37 -0400 >>MIME-Version: 1.0Dan Kenney > >Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > >> > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 12:28:25 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19532 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:27:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199908161227.AA214761734@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:50:13 -0400 > PA hasn't learned the art of paving roads I've never heard this put quite so eloquently. Thanks for the laugh! :) Horkster, from PA, FAR from PA... -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 12:29:07 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19549 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm10a-153.his.com [216.200.82.153]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20751; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990816122320.009093c0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:23:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: 8/21 MD ride to airshow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is going to be a airshow at Frederick Municipal Airport this weekend, complete with afterburning flight demonstrations by f-16, f18, a-10. You can get info about it at http://users.erols.com/rflint/wof/ if you want. I plan on riding up if the weather is nice. Since my street bike has racing slicks mounted, rain, the hint of rain, or even a martini with too much vermouth will cause me to scrub the mission. Meet at my house, no earlier than 7:30 am and no later than 8:00 am on Saturday 8/21. Have your fuel tank full, the group will not be stopping for fuel outbound. We will leave my house no later than 8:00am riding out to circumnavigate mount sugarloaf arriving at Frederick municipal no later than 9:15am. I plan on hanging around to geek at the airshow for the most of the afternoon. It cost money, and we will have to park about 1/2 mile from the airport. Afterwards I'll be going to the brew pub a 2 minute walk from my house & getting twisted. Directions to my house are as follows: Take I-270 to exit 9A which is for I-370 / Sam Eig Hwy. Exit, staying towards the right which will take you to I-370. In about a mile you'll exit off I-370 onto 355 North / Towards Gaithersburg Town Center. The exit ramp dumps you out on 355 north so its impossible to screw up. At the second traffic light (about one mile) take a right onto East Deer Park Rd. Take your second left (about 300 yards) onto Woodland Rd. My house is number 112, about a half mile down the road and after a stop sign. My home number is 301 990 6408 if you get lost for some reason. C'jah Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 12:39:34 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19754 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:38:30 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:38:26 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:37:46 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Subject: The New Victory Sport Cruiser -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline -snip- I'm curious to know what everyone thinks of the recent rebirth of the American motorcycle industry, especially any Harley types on the list. Having worked with H-D Inc for six years, I think it's great--there's nothing wrong with having more choices, especially for cruiser fans who've been limited to the choice between either a Harley or a Japanese bike with "American styling." The Vic is sorta industrial looking, which IMO really works on the "Sport" version. Saw a Super X at Brainerd when I was up there--Holy Crap! Love it or hate it, ain't nobody gonna ignore it. Then there's all the Harley-Clonisons, most of 'em with S&S engines, all of 'em damn expensive. At least the Confederate looks different--most of the rest look like Easyriders artist David Mann designed them. As for "sportier" models, yeah! Harley's FXRS-sp was one great all-around bike, and their new one on the Dyna chassis looks to be the same biz. Great for folks who want a big vee without the crap suspension and ground clearance. A real 'Murican, real sportbike? Go Eller! (I'll take a naked one, please). Joe '68 FLH, '85 Ninja From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 12:45:01 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19866 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:44:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199908161244.AA279249138@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: The New Victory Sport Cruiser X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Randy Moran >Hey, have you all seen Motorcycle Online's article on the new Victory V92SC? I checked it out...ehh, it isn't the prettiest thing on two wheels, is it? >I'm curious to know what everyone thinks of the recent rebirth of the >American motorcycle industry, especially any Harley types on the list. I personally think it is great that new marques are showing up. I hope they stick around long enough to realize that 'American Motorcycles' doesn't just include cruisers. All I ask is that someone build a new inexpensive, reliable, indestructible, handsome standard/sport tourer with optional factory- fitted hardbags, shaft drive, large gas tank, hydraulic valves, great fuel economy, 100 rwhp, a sidestand with a foot big enough to not sink in hot asphalt, a centerstand, 4-way emergency flashers, detachable and adjustable windshield, tipover protection, highway pegs, cb/fm radio, and throttle lock. All as standard equipment. How hard can that be? :) I'd buy one. Heck, maybe two. :) Horkster (Hell, if I gotta dream, I'm dreaming BIG!) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 13:07:38 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20376 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:07:37 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2FKFa01827 (530) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <162fef31.24e99dbb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:00:43 EDT Subject: Re: The New Victory Sport Cruiser To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 [lurk mode off] I saw the new Victory V92SC on MO and I'm impressed. I prefer the looks of the "standard" V92C. I'm in the market for a new cruiser, but I think brand loyalty will win for my next bike. Besides, nobody else builds a six-cyclinder hotrod cruiser. I may go to Winchester Indian to look one over, but my heart is taken already. But I do wish Victory success. I'm also glad to hear that H-D is finally improving their brakes (among other things) and even adding couter-balancing. Now if they can just improve owner attitude. ;) [lurk mode on] Rob VanSlyke 83 Honda Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" Next? Coming soon... From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 13:36:48 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20957 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:09 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:08 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:34:46 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The New Victory Sport Cruiser -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline -snip- Horkster, you're onto something. But first, allow me to agree with: "I hope they stick around long enough to realize that 'American Motorcycles' doesn't just include cruisers." All I ask is that someone build a new inexpensive, reliable, indestructible, handsome standard/sport tourer with optional -snip- All as standard equipment. How hard can that be? Yeah, all those standard options! Actually, they could take a clue from H-D, start with 3 or 4 basic engine/chassis packages and offer an "options" book so you end up with the bike you want. Sort of the way you could take a plain-jane FXR and build it into a Sport Edition, a Custom, or a Sport Glide tourer (given enough money, of course). Would be cool, wouldn't be cheap. In real life, they'll be spending a few million just trying to satisfy the DOT-and EPA-crats. Just ask Triumph . . . Joe -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 13:46:09 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21152 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Snips, Chargers, Partz, & Burkittsville Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:45:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain "Collin T. Fagan" noted, "It's been a while since anyone's mentioned it, so I will... When you're replying to list messages PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE snip any unnecessary comment from your reply.. the digest has been 200k and 160k for the past two days respectfully, Charger: Erik Schelzig pleaded, "Dear Listers, So my old CX500 is trying desperately to give up the ghost. So he (dealer) had two suggestions to me, which I would like to bounce off the list for comments/suggestions:" And the list had better suggestions such as: get a manual and confirm whether it's a bad alternator, dead rectifier-regulator, or dying battery screwing up everything. If you have an older, high-mileage bike: 1) Get intimate with it's quirks 2) Get at least one manual 3) Find a news list specializing in that bike (or start one) Re chargers: Even a 1 amp charger will boil an overcharged battery if left on too long. Automatic chargers are cheaper in the long run. MSN scored the Battery Tender as tops some months (years?) ago. Personally, I've used an automatic marine battery charger (1.5 amps) from WalMart that cost ~$25 with good results. I snipped the leads and soldered on clips. Both Wally's & Sam's have Champion Batteries for motorsickles for ~$30. Partz: For CX 500 (and older Honda parts) try: Discount Honda aka Honda of Riverhead (NY) The phone number is 1-800-258-2925. FAX: 800-258-7195 Electronic mail General Information: Sales@XXXXXX I've found they are both cheaper and faster than the local dealers. I recommend local shops, only one dealer, but cheaper AND faster is hard to pass up. Burkittsville, MD (Blair Witch): Nice scenic ride along Route 17, back and fourth over South Mountain via Gapland, Church, Reno Monument, Tabor Mt Road, to Myersville. Got the tee shirt for $12 -- on Main Street. Watch for LEO ready to cash in on Burkittsville's recent popularity. "The CX500 is as interesting to ride as a brick, but just as reliable" Carl in Bethesda '85 VF700 S, '80 GS450E From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 13:56:36 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21263 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17714; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <024401bee80f$b8b97d30$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: wasted bandwidth... Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:49:43 -0400 Organization: RCN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sorry to bug you all and waste bandwidth, but I finally got the admins here at Erol's (my job) to change the Outlook Express settings so I can send plain text to the list. Sorry for the trouble in the past... Kirt From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 14:45:49 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22204 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:45:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199908161445.AA29032778@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: The New Victory Sport Cruiser X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JOE NAGY > Sort of the way you could take a plain-jane FXR and build it into a > Sport Edition, a Custom, or a Sport Glide tourer (given enough money, > of course). Would be cool, wouldn't be cheap. Well, in Horkster's Perfect World (tm), all that stuff would just come with the bike, if you didn't like it, you'd just take it off. Don't like the saddlebags? Remove 'em and cover up the mounting area with a beauty panel. Don't want crash guards/highway pegs on your scoot? Whip out a wrench and get busy. Fairing getting in your way? Off it goes, etc. etc. Sigh. Ain't never gonna happen, is it? :( > In real life, they'll be spending a few million just trying to satisfy > the DOT-and EPA-crats. Just ask Triumph . . . I hear that. Damn. Dreaming up new bikes really sucks. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 14:59:17 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22365 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:58:27 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:58:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:57:12 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The New Victory Sport Cruiser -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Horkster, come to think of it, your way would probably be better. I know personally that I have much more skill as a taker-aparter than a builder. --Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 16:23:01 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f12.hotmail.com [207.82.250.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23720 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74405 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 1999 20:22:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990816202226.74404.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.248.58.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:22:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.248.58.80] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: lisa@XXXXXX, dankenney@XXXXXX, redbelly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000S info needed Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:22:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I live in St Marys county (southern MD). I usually get to ride on Sundays. Let me know. Dan Kenney >From: Lisa Goddard >To: "DAN KENNEY" , redbelly@XXXXXX, >dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: TL1000S info needed >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:28:54 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 09:37:21 1999 >Received: from [209.116.254.17] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >MHotMailB981893D001ED82197C3D174FE110B020; Mon Aug 16 09:37:21 1999 >Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by >meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19530 for >; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47])by smtp-out.kivex.com >(8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id MAA25934;Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:29:47 -0400 >(EDT) >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990816122854.007cf100@XXXXXX> >X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >In-Reply-To: <19990816155609.54063.qmail@XXXXXX> > >Hay, wait a minute here!! As Jay's wife don't I get a say in this???????? > > >At 08:56 AM 8/16/99 PDT, DAN KENNEY wrote: > > > >Jay, > >I have a 97 TL and love it. I have had no problemsat all. I used to have >a > >Hawk also and really wanted a super hawk. When I rode both the Hawk and >the > >TL I forgot all about the Hawk. I wanted something more sporty. The > >Superhawk is a fantasic bike but not for me. If you want to meet up and >ride > >it let me know. > > > > > >Dan Kenney > > > >Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > > > > >>From: Jay Goddard > >>To: The dc-cycles list administrator > >>Subject: TL1000S info needed > >>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:58:37 -0400 > >>MIME-Version: 1.0Dan Kenney > > > >Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > >Lisa Goddard >Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 16:44:44 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24057 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21874; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37B8772C.1717D69F@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:40:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Zell CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody References: <19990816095316382-e5d0c73@fanniemaefoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not try the Outer Banks of NC? After Labor Day it's real cheap, and NO crowds. Absolutly no parking problems whatsoever. Don't even have metered spaces or pay lots. Bill Tom Zell wrote: > Why not try Virginia Beach instead? They have a really nice atmosphere, it's a > decent area, and it's cheaper than OC. They also have plenty of parking > available. I like it a lot but I would plan on avoiding it on Labor Day > weekend. Extremely crowded! > > Later, > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 16:44:46 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24059 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21874; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37B8772C.1717D69F@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:40:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Zell CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Anyone up for an ocean city ride? Was: Re: Is anybody References: <19990816095316382-e5d0c73@fanniemaefoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not try the Outer Banks of NC? After Labor Day it's real cheap, and NO crowds. Absolutly no parking problems whatsoever. Don't even have metered spaces or pay lots. Bill Tom Zell wrote: > Why not try Virginia Beach instead? They have a really nice atmosphere, it's a > decent area, and it's cheaper than OC. They also have plenty of parking > available. I like it a lot but I would plan on avoiding it on Labor Day > weekend. Extremely crowded! > > Later, > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 16:52:12 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24250 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22809; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37B878DD.395623FE@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:47:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Moran CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: The New Victory Sport Cruiser References: <37B8297B.E17C4F44@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen a Victory in the steel. Sort of neat, bit a wee bit ugly and unfinished looking in spots. But that one was a early model. I'm sure they've added a bit of polish. The rebirth is fantastic. More motorcycles, more riders, and that will lead to more awareness among the gages that we're out there. I ride a Harley - my choice - and everyone should have a choice and be able to find the bike that suits them. Or two, or three - I gotta big garage :-) Where is that lottary ticket .... Bill Randy Moran wrote: > Hey, have you all seen Motorcycle Online's article on the new Victory > V92SC? I think it looks pretty sharp. I also like the new > Excelsior-Henderson Super X. All this from a sportbike nut and road > racer. I don't think I would own either of these machines (even if I had > the cash), but I am impressed with the styling of the SC, and I hope it > means even sportier bikes are coming. > > I'm curious to know what everyone thinks of the recent rebirth of the > American motorcycle industry, especially any Harley types on the list. > > -- > Randy Moran > Technical Writer > TRW S&ITG > voice (703) 648-0122 > fax (703) 648-2448 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 17:17:31 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1104.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.124]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24678 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990816211729.24461.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:17:29 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Snippage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At first I thought I was losing my mind, but then I noticed that lately some messages are going to both dc-cycles@XXXXXX, AND dc-cycles@XXXXXX. So of course they show up on the list twice. Folks, check those message headers! === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 22:32:28 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29773 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990817023205.11621.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.229] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:32:05 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Where to buy a new 250 in the area To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of mine wants to buy a brand new 250, preferably 99 or y2k. Let me know what you've seen and where, and if you know the out the door places. Phone #'s would be helpful if you happen to know them. Course any type of info/help would also be appreciated so TIA. We checked out freestate and they want "34 or 35 hundred out the door" . _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 22:38:36 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29885 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990817023718.21813.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.229] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:37:18 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Where to buy a new 250 NINJA in the area To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ITM wrote: > A friend of mine wants to buy a brand new 250, preferably 99 > or y2k. > > Let me know what you've seen and where, and if you know the > out the door places. Phone #'s would be helpful if you happen > to know them. Course any type of info/help would also be > appreciated so TIA. > > We checked out freestate and they want "34 or 35 hundred out the > door" . > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 23:42:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01010 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12040 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13554 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.130]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:36:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jay Goddard" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: TL1000S info needed Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:36:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bee861$be4f6aa0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37B8190D.2C1E657@boo.net> Any reason to go with the S instead of the R? Why not stick with the Hondas? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 23:48:19 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01089 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.130]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:43:04 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Lisa Goddard" , "DAN KENNEY" , , Subject: RE: TL1000S info needed Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:43:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bee862$9a1d40c0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990816122854.007cf100@kivex.com> > Hay, wait a minute here!! As Jay's wife don't I get a say in > this???????? Bwahahahahaha! Oh. Wait. I bet you are serious. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 16 23:55:47 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01203 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.130]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:40:31 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Randy Moran" , Subject: RE: The New Victory Sport Cruiser Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bee862$3ece5060$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37B8297B.E17C4F44@trw.com> Victory: looks nice at first, but you quickly realize it is no more (and in many ways LESS) distinctive than the metric cruisers. Lots of tech (OHC and FI) without much output. I'd pony up a little more for the Excelsior Henderson (or an HD, maybe) or spend a bit less, and get a Vulcan. They are popular enough to have lots of speed parts available. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 03:04:43 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04962 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 03:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990817070503.8227.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.229] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:05:03 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: ITM Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: want to find cheap helmet, and gloves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone have an old helmet in teh closet they don't want anymore? preferably: large, full face, black, grey, or red, with visor. I could care less about scratches or appearance, I'd take spray paint to it, if it were just so darn ugly. I don't have any specific passenger in mind, but I'm going to a picnic and thought it might be fun to offer slow cruises around the park to whomever (in our group), but I'd need a helmet to be legal, as well as extra safe. Maybe someone's seen something in a local thrift store? or know of a place that deals with old used stuff and likes to keep helmets on hand, or maybe you have one in your closet and would be happy to part with it for say $20? Oh btw does anyone have any gloves they want to part with, for street riding? Something with a wrist strap to be secured on, in medium or large size. That place in VA with the $60 gloves for $25 is a little too far. Will those $20 motocross looking gloves protect my hands in normal street riding? I had originally wanted those "driving" gloves made of leather with the velcro wrist strap, I had a pair in the past, and they held up pretty good to lots of abuse. They are kind of like what police wear.. I can't find them anywhere any more though. I had picked them up from pep boys for $15 and they were great. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 07:48:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09826 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA02154 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA27955 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([156.40.49.124]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA3357783; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B94BE4.9E0B0411@boo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:47:49 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: TL1000S info needed References: <000201bee861$be4f6aa0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I plan on pulling all the body work off anyway so the R might not look as good plus it costs more money. I an not going with Honda because I don't like little gas tanks and I plan to do around 5 track days next year and I don't like the Honda flex technology. Plus I followed Kirk's lead once before but I don't think there is any reason for 2 naked Super Hawks in Rockville. Last but not least Lisa loves her new VFR and I don't want to tempt her with another red bike. Jay PS Anybody know how to slow down a 95 VFR I don't think she is lucky enuff the to get out of the next triple digit police run-in. George Howell wrote: > Any reason to go with the S instead of the R? Why not stick with the Hondas? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 08:01:50 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10423 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA16902 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA20339; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:00:39 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B563F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:00:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Bill wrote... > PA hasn't learned the art of paving roads ...And it's all true. The roads here in VA are *heavenly* compared to Northwestern PA (where I'm from). First, you need to have an uncle, or, at the very least, a cousin in local government to get a hole filled. The usual procedure (originally learned from the Eriez Indians, and handed down through generations of Pendot workers) is to transform all holes into mounds, similar to the burial mounds of the ancient Native Americans. The task is accomplished with the liberal use of "cold patch," a slurry with the consistency of soggy coffee grounds that somehow manages to solidify... eventually. It takes 3 men and half a day to moundify each hole. The thinnest one of the three scoops up a teaspoon at a time of slurry and flings it toward the hole (he gets extra points with his buddies if he can spray a passing car with it), while the other two smoke cigarettes, drink large styrofoam cups of coffee, and glare at passersby. Good work, if you can get it. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 08:10:26 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10569 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FGL009C2Z3V0P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:09:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA28679; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:05:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990817120930.PZUW24022@toddnt>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:09:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:07:29 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: 8/21 MD ride to airshow In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19990816122320.009093c0@mail.his.com> To: Stephen Harris , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000001bee8a9$140324e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Wow! This sounds like a blast :) I wish I could join you Steve, but I'll be celebrating a good freinds wedding this weekend. Have fun. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] > > There is going to be a airshow at Frederick Municipal Airport > this weekend, > complete with afterburning flight demonstrations by f-16, f18, a-10. You > can get info about it at http://users.erols.com/rflint/wof/ if > you want. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 08:26:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10973 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A5059D50228; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:26:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990817074845.00bd9210@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:49:32 -0400 To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Snippage In-Reply-To: <19990816211729.24461.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I I haven't haven't noticed noticed anything anything out out of of the the ordinary ordinary. Chris Chris Norloff Norloff At 05:17 PM 8/16/99 , John Whiteside wrote: >At first I thought I was losing my mind, but then I >noticed that lately some messages are going to both >dc-cycles@XXXXXX, AND dc-cycles@XXXXXX. So >of course they show up on the list twice. Folks, check >those message headers! > > > >=== >John Whiteside >Arlington, VA >jwhiteside@XXXXXX >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 08:37:22 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11300 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-16.patriot.net [209.249.180.16]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14589; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:37:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37B9566F.F50CCF78@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:32:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B563F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First, you need to have an uncle, or, at the very least, a cousin in local > government to get a hole filled. The usual procedure (originally learned > from the Eriez Indians, and handed down through generations of Pendot > workers) is to transform all holes into mounds, similar to the burial mounds > of the ancient Native Americans. > > The task is accomplished with the liberal use of "cold patch," a slurry with > the consistency of soggy coffee grounds that somehow manages to solidify... > eventually. It takes 3 men and half a day to moundify each hole. The > thinnest one of the three scoops up a teaspoon at a time of slurry and > flings it toward the hole (he gets extra points with his buddies if he can > spray a passing car with it), while the other two smoke cigarettes, drink > large styrofoam cups of coffee, and glare at passersby. > You rat! I laughed so hard I spewed coffee on my keyboard! Another PA trick - see sign "Fines double in work areas". See sign "Work area ahead". I suspect that work area signs are set up by the PA troopers and not work crews, as I have never seen a work crew in the so-called work area. Just the trooper with a radar gun and a cuppa coffee on his dash. Hmm.... ??? Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 09:27:58 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12080 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990817132635.4108.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.175] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:26:35 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: TL1000S info needed To: George Howell , Lisa Goddard , DAN KENNEY , redbelly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Howell wrote: > > Hay, wait a minute here!! As Jay's wife don't I > > get a say in this???????? > > Bwahahahahaha! > > Oh. Wait. I bet you are serious. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell George, isn't it you who always refers to your girlfriend as SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed)? Perhaps you aren't the best one to be making this joke. For an honest, very mixed opinion about the TL1000S, the potential buyer should contact Craig Johnston at <900rrmofo@XXXXXX>. You will note that he NOW owns a Honda. Hmmmm. -- tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 09:37:28 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12266 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA21522; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:38:01 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma020938; Tue, 17 Aug 99 09:37:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGM00HL33AA3K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D0.004AB2B8 ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:35:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:32:19 -0400 Subject: Re: TL1000S info needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D0.004A91DC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hmm... Maybe you should f*ck up the jetting a little. Something so that the bike bogs really badly on full throttle. :^) Sounds like you're just begging to tell us a story, and I'm just begging to hear it... Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: Jay Goddard PS Anybody know how to slow down a 95 VFR I don't think she is lucky enuff the to get out of the next triple digit police run-in. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 09:44:51 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12366 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA27282; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:45:02 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025817; Tue, 17 Aug 99 09:41:39 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGM00L0G3HPHN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D0.004B1472 ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:40:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:26:59 -0400 Subject: RE: TL1000S info needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D0.0049F287.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL FYI, There are a fairly large number of differences between the S and R models, if I recall correctly. Aside from the obvious motor and bodywork differences, they have different frames, geometry, and different gearing too I think. I'm pretty sure the R model is a fair amount heavier also due to (among other things) its beam frame as opposed to the S's "trellis" frame. I'd hazard a guess that the S model would work better for the street, but don't quote me on that. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: George Howell Any reason to go with the S instead of the R? Why not stick with the Hondas? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 09:54:12 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12543 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:53:13 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:52:48 -0400 Message-Id: <37B969BD.C8FD0EEA@trw.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:57:42 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B563F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> <37B9566F.F50CCF78@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a kid headed up to New England on summer vacation, I remember seeing signs bearing some sort of state motto for Pennsylvania, "America Begins Here." After a half hour of the steady "ker-chunk, ker-chunk" of the contruction riddled pavement, my brother pipes up from the back of the car, "Does America ever get finished here?" -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG voice(703) 648-0122 fax (703) 648-2448 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 10:32:59 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13233 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-239-84.s338.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.84]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id KAA06496; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:32:52 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 10:25:04 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: want to find cheap helmet, and gloves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii > >I had originally wanted those "driving" gloves made of leather >with the velcro wrist strap, I had a pair in the past, and >they held up pretty good to lots of abuse. They are kind of >like what police wear.. I can't find them anywhere any more >though. I had picked them up from pep boys for $15 and they were >great. > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- >From personal experience, don't skimp on gloves. I had some $20 mesh back AGV gloves that I rode in and went down at about 30 mph in. The gloves shredded, and if I'd been going any faster I would have had pretty bad hand damage. As it was I came out ok, but just barely-the left palm ripped out at the seam, where it joined the mesh. I don't know that it is necessary to spend the !130 for my preferred gloves, Helds, or the amount for Dianese race gloves or so on, but make sure the gloves you are wearing are decent weight leather and double stiched. For a helmet, your best bet may be to get one of the new ones that are available for $50 in full face, snell tested. They aren't the quietest or the best vented, but for a passenger who cares. (getting ready to get nailed by all the pillions out there) greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/17/99 HSTA/AMA 10:25:04 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 10:52:00 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13615 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:51:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: want to find cheap helmet, and gloves Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:51:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Just a plug for one of my sponsors.. Duane Griffith Dixie Cycle 318-368-3172 aloetran@XXXXXX He deals in Helmets, Gloves, Leathers, Tires.. and a few other things.. He's been treating DC-Cycles racing with nothing but the best in service and prices. I'd have to assume the same is true for everyone else that I've referd to him, because noone's written me back (or talked with me in another mannor) about bad dealings. I encourage everyone who's thinking of buying gear, to call Duane up and check prices with him... Oh, and can't forget the most important bit.. please, please, please, and pretty please let him know that you heard of him through DC-Cycles Racing.. or myself.. :) Cheers, Brian McCoy DC-Cycles Racing - #574 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 12:33:36 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15277 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:33:34 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA04061; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:34:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003180; Tue, 17 Aug 99 12:32:42 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGM006D3BESM1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D0.005AB94D ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:30:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:30:16 -0400 Subject: Paging Anita To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D0.005AB256.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL (Sorry for sending this to the whole list) Anita, I've misplaced your email. Please drop me a line regarding the tires. Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 13:13:03 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15955 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C3D3@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paging Anita Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:12:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Anita is no longer on the list. She dropped out during the last guns thread. Here is her e-mail address, I got it from searching the archive at http://www.dc-cycles.org 2xracers@XXXXXX Glenn >(Sorry for sending this to the whole list) >Anita, >I've misplaced your email. Please drop me a line regarding the tires. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 15:17:23 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18360 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990817191543.2298.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.175] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:15:43 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Alarms To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since the thwarted, attempted theft of my 900RR last month, I've been thinking about getting an alarm system. I spoke yesterday with an installer friend who claimed that he has installed many alarms on bikes...but that what he does is take a 'smaller' car alarm, then adds motion detectors/sensors/ignition kill switches, etc. Anybody have a similar setup to this? How about those who have alarms designed for cycles? Are you happy with the results (i.e., do you still possess the bike)? Thanks for any help. -- tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 15:44:05 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18773 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990817194249.3839.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.46] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:42:49 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: want to find cheap helmet, and gloves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks.. I think I am going to try to get those gloves on sale at colemans like you said. Did they seem to have plenty of them? Did you happen to see/hear when they will go off sale? Were any other gloves on sale? I'd prefer something a little smaller.. but it's better to have more than you need than not enough. Thanks for posting about the sale greg, that was even before the topic of gloves came up :) --- Greg Sachs wrote: > > > >I had originally wanted those "driving" gloves made of leather > >with the velcro wrist strap, I had a pair in the past, and > >they held up pretty good to lots of abuse. They are kind of > >like what police wear.. I can't find them anywhere any more > >though. I had picked them up from pep boys for $15 and they were > >great. > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > From personal experience, don't skimp on gloves. I had some $20 > mesh > back AGV gloves that I rode in and went down at about 30 mph in. > The > gloves shredded, and if I'd been going any faster I would have had > pretty > bad hand damage. As it was I came out ok, but just barely-the left > palm > ripped out at the seam, where it joined the mesh. I don't know > that it > is necessary to spend the !130 for my preferred gloves, Helds, or > the > amount for Dianese race gloves or so on, but make sure the gloves > you are > wearing are decent weight leather and double stiched. For a > helmet, your > best bet may be to get one of the new ones that are available for > $50 in > full face, snell tested. They aren't the quietest or the best > vented, > but for a passenger who cares. (getting ready to get nailed by all > the > pillions out there) > greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > > 8/17/99 HSTA/AMA 10:25:04 AM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 15:56:56 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18959 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-241-228.s228.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.241.228]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id PAA07803; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:56:46 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 15:44:03 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Alarms To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Tom Gimer X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii --- On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: >Since the thwarted, attempted theft of my 900RR last >month, I've been thinking about getting an alarm >system. > >I spoke yesterday with an installer friend who claimed >that he has installed many alarms on bikes...but that >what he does is take a 'smaller' car alarm, then adds >motion detectors/sensors/ignition kill switches, etc. > >Anybody have a similar setup to this? How about those >who have alarms designed for cycles? Are you happy >with the results (i.e., do you still possess the >bike)? > >Thanks for any help. Just a couple thoughts, dunno it there is any relevance here- 1 My Agent, allstate, gives no discount for alarms, suggesting that they don't believe there is much benefit. 2. With helmet laws, I would imagine casual joyride theft should be down, as I would hope a non helmeted biker gets pulled over quickly.(yes? no? 3. If someone wants the bike, they will get it unless it its really secured-chain through solid anchor and wheels/frame. Look at the brits for some of these. Big ground anchors, solid(and tested) chains and locks. Obviously only works at home 4. Alarms sadly don't attract notice anymore. Igniion kill might help, but it only takes 30 seconds to life a bike into a van. And several mags have done tests where they have staged thefts with a van at malls and such, and had no one report them. An alarm with a pager may help, but then you are forced to deal with the thief(who needs a good beating, I'd add), but this is risky. I thought hard about one for my bike, when I was in Ohio(no helmet law, so much more joyriding type theft). That said, look into avital for a nice one specific for bikes-runs about 280 installed, but erally nice, remote is built into the key among other things. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/17/99 HSTA/AMA 3:44:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 16:07:36 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19217 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:06:28 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:44:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:55:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline ..And it's all true. The roads here in VA are *heavenly* compared to Northwestern PA (where I'm from). Southwestern PA roads (where I learned how to drive) are rank, too. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 16:34:57 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19628 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA04077 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:34:41 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:34:41 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Alarms Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:34:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FWIW An Auto Stereo/pager/phone/alarm store in Herndon (near Cycle Sport) had a couple of bike alarms that he wanted to move - they were ordered for someone who didn't get them. Not sure how motivated he is, but he's in the shopping center across the street and west of Cycle Sport (not the K-Mart center) beside a Little Ceasar's Pizza. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 16:43:53 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19800 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Gq1V-0002g3-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:39:57 -0400 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03078; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:43:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Alarms Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:41:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bee8f0$f2e34bd0$afc809c0@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Tom, I still have a Scorpio cycle alarm (CYL-100 or something like that) for sale. I bought it in '96 and it was supposed to be the best made. It works similar to a car alarm with key-fob remote. It has 2 sensors. One measures the angle of the bike. You install it so that it is level when on the side stand, if it moves out of parameters the alarm sounds. The other is a motion detector. Anyhow, I've never installed it and probably never will. It was about $250 when I bought it. It is still in the box untouched. I will sell it for $100. Right now it is in storage. I finally move into my house on Friday, so I should unearth it this weekend. If anyone is interested my work # is (301)495-6695x30. I don't have a home # until friday. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 16:56:45 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20004 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id QAA18850 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id QAA18845 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id RAA06069 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.4.164]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id RAA06022 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990817165442.01251700@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:54:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Street legal requirements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey all, Does anybody know if MCs are *required* to have headlights? I'd swear I've seen a few Harley types with the headlight actually OFF, but I don't know if that's legal or not. Basically, I've got to take a non-street-legal bike out on a main highway for about 10-12 minutes to get it to some more secluded (read: no cops) backroads for some, errr, testing. I'm thinking I can get a brake light wired in and slap a license plate on it... turn signals if I'm feeling really inspired. I'm betting the headlight would be a real obvious violation, but a cop might not notice some of the other stuff (At least from a distance.) Who's always got the legal http references? :-) Thanks, Brad 99 CBR600 F4 (street-legal) 88 FZR400 (*NOT* street-legal) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 18:21:44 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21426 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990817222025.6896.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.46] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:20:25 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:20:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Street legal requirements To: Brad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You might want to try renting a uhaul.. a pickup or a van, should be about $20 + some milage.. or maybe a uhaul trailer or a really small uhual truck. Or maybe try to find a friend with a pickup.. Those fines are pretty hefty and a 10-12 minute ride seems like an awful lot of time to be seen by a cop. If it were me personally ,I would try to rent the truck. What area are you in? Maybe something can be arranged... --- Brad wrote: > Hey all, > > Does anybody know if MCs are *required* to have headlights? I'd > swear I've > seen a few Harley types with the headlight actually OFF, but I > don't know > if that's legal or not. Basically, I've got to take a > non-street-legal bike > out on a main highway for about 10-12 minutes to get it to some > more > secluded (read: no cops) backroads for some, errr, testing. I'm > thinking I > can get a brake light wired in and slap a license plate on it... > turn > signals if I'm feeling really inspired. I'm betting the headlight > would be > a real obvious violation, but a cop might not notice some of the > other > stuff (At least from a distance.) > > Who's always got the legal http references? :-) > > Thanks, > > Brad > 99 CBR600 F4 (street-legal) > 88 FZR400 (*NOT* street-legal) > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 18:49:25 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21890 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990817224951.25990.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:49:51 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Alarms To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hold onto that bike, Tom! I installed a Scorpio CYL-100 alarm on my '95 CBR F3 shortly after I got the bike. It seemed to work well, going off if someone moved the bike off its centerstand or jarred it. There was a little blinking light to show it was armed. But after a year or so the alarm developed a short and cut off my electrical system (probably my installation job), so I had to disconnect it, and the bike was stolen in February. I'm going to try the Xena Disc Alarm next. Since it runs off its own battery, it does not require any adjustments to a bike's electrical harness. But I was impressed with the Scorpio. Every little bit helps, and an alarm does its part, especially if you're within ear shot. Sean Sullivan --- Tom Gimer wrote: > Since the thwarted, attempted theft of my 900RR last > month, I've been thinking about getting an alarm > system. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 19:08:02 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22253 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.235]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:02:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Lisa Goddard" , "DAN KENNEY" , , Subject: RE: TL1000S info needed Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bee904$9fbda720$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990817132635.4108.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> > George, isn't it you who always refers to your > girlfriend as SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed)? Perhaps > you aren't the best one to be making this joke. That was when she was my girlfriend. I find I can get away with a lot more now that she has an engagement ring on her finger. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 19:11:05 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22296 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA16698; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:10:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37B9EAEC.4CF68117@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:06:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Street legal requirements References: <3.0.6.32.19990817165442.01251700@ns2.pgcc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Varies from sate to state. NC requires headlight ON, but last time I checked VA didn't. But you're talking running without a headlight to turn on or off. Methinks you'd get a ticket real quick. Also, I don't recall turn signals being *required*. Tons of classic bikes built before the early 70s didn't have them. I had a `71 ring-a-ding and it didn't need them to pass inspection. If you live somewhere near VA burbs I got me a pickup truck which could be used to haul it out to the test track. Bill Brad wrote: > Hey all, > > Does anybody know if MCs are *required* to have headlights? I'd swear I've > seen a few Harley types with the headlight actually OFF, but I don't know > if that's legal or not. Basically, I've got to take a non-street-legal bike > out on a main highway for about 10-12 minutes to get it to some more > secluded (read: no cops) backroads for some, errr, testing. I'm thinking I > can get a brake light wired in and slap a license plate on it... turn > signals if I'm feeling really inspired. I'm betting the headlight would be > a real obvious violation, but a cop might not notice some of the other > stuff (At least from a distance.) > > Who's always got the legal http references? :-) > > Thanks, > > Brad > 99 CBR600 F4 (street-legal) > 88 FZR400 (*NOT* street-legal) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 19:32:23 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22723 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18253; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:32:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37B9EFF6.5D796197@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:27:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Tom Gimer , Lisa Goddard , DAN KENNEY , redbelly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000S info needed References: <000801bee904$9fbda720$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > That was when she was my girlfriend. I find I can get away with a lot more > now that she has an engagement ring on her finger. That rumble you hear in the background is the sound of the gates being rolled shut. Bill Happily under guard for 33 years From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 20:44:42 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23946 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling-151.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FGM00CJCY1P6Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:34:22 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Isle of Man/Rumble of the gates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003a01bee92a$905461e0$972fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 All - My wife said she will support my racing habit so long as I promised one thing - that I would never race Isle of Man. Being a stupid, ego driven, day dreaming guy I sometimes like to kid myself that maybe I would like to try that. If your gonna do something, might as well go all the way and get as hardcore as possible right? Holy crap am I an idiot for even entertaining that thought. All it takes is 5 minutes of Speedvision coverage to cure me of the delusions of granduer. If you havent watched there coverage yet, by all means watch it. Look for the monster and I mean MONSTER tankslapper about 15 minutes into it. Gotta give that guy credit, he fought it to the end. (I believe he lived, at least 2 others died during the weekend) Anyway, whenever any of us racers think we're quick, or any street riders think they were really layin it down, take a look at some TT footage. You can leave your cajones at the door on the way out. We, apparently, never even come close to using them. Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 21:03:35 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA24323 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990818010416.12090.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.46] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:04:16 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Street legal requirements To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And if you live near DC in the MD burbs I've got a pickup too.. seems like you might be alright :) --- Bill Huson wrote: > Varies from sate to state. NC requires headlight ON, but last time > I checked VA > didn't. But you're talking running without a headlight to turn on > or off. > Methinks you'd get a ticket real quick. Also, I don't recall turn > signals being > *required*. Tons of classic bikes built before the early 70s didn't > have them. > I had a `71 ring-a-ding and it didn't need them to pass inspection. > > If you live somewhere near VA burbs I got me a pickup truck which > could be used > to haul it out to the test track. > > Bill > > > > Brad wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > Does anybody know if MCs are *required* to have headlights? I'd > swear I've > > seen a few Harley types with the headlight actually OFF, but I > don't know > > if that's legal or not. Basically, I've got to take a > non-street-legal bike > > out on a main highway for about 10-12 minutes to get it to some > more > > secluded (read: no cops) backroads for some, errr, testing. I'm > thinking I > > can get a brake light wired in and slap a license plate on it... > turn > > signals if I'm feeling really inspired. I'm betting the headlight > would be > > a real obvious violation, but a cop might not notice some of the > other > > stuff (At least from a distance.) > > > > Who's always got the legal http references? :-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > 99 CBR600 F4 (street-legal) > > 88 FZR400 (*NOT* street-legal) > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 22:45:37 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26160 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11GvjI-0004l4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:45:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 23:20:39 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26809 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-157-197.s197.tnt15.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.157.197]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id XAA09541; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:20:35 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 23:15:50 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: southern ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I remember seeing in a mag earlier this yeah(before daytona), might have been a late last year issue a route description starting on skyline, going down the blue ridge, diverting to deals gap and so on. Can anyone help me for a possible trip to atlanta where I would have some free time? Either route or the mag would be helpful thanks, greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/17/99 HSTA/AMA 11:15:50 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 23:24:05 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26819 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02573; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:23:59 -0400 Message-ID: <37BA264B.87AD9B5C@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:19:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tour update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is cool! Thanks, Hugh. I can ride vicariously while actually working my butt off to save for that big ride -- somewhere. Bill Hugh Caldwell wrote: > http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 17 23:46:42 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27260 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA03978; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:46:34 -0400 Message-ID: <37BA2B96.D9F8E6CD@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:42:14 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Sachs CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: southern ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit emme see - Deals Gap would put you around Chat TN. You could whixx down to HotLanta on an Interstate in a couple hours, or pump up the adreniline on those mountain roads. If you need an *exact* route reply and I'll dig one out. Bill former collegette resident of one of those mountain counties. Greg Sachs wrote: > I remember seeing in a mag earlier this yeah(before daytona), might have > been a late last year issue a route description starting on skyline, > going down the blue ridge, diverting to deals gap and so on. Can anyone > help me for a possible trip to atlanta where I would have some free time? > Either route or the mag would be helpful > thanks, > greg > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 8/17/99 HSTA/AMA 11:15:50 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 00:04:07 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27552 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11GwxG-0003Go-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:04:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Bill Huson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tour update In-Reply-To: <37BA264B.87AD9B5C@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Believe me, it's my pleasure/ On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > This is cool! Thanks, Hugh. I can ride vicariously while actually > working my butt off to save for that big ride -- somewhere. > > Bill > > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 00:58:11 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28425 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.239.104.255]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA04952; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37BA6987.27A0@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:06:31 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: ITM Subject: re: want to find cheap helmet, and gloves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: ITM > Anyone have an old helmet in teh closet they don't > want anymore? preferably: large, full face, black, grey, or red, with > visor. I could care less about scratches or appearance, I'd take > spray paint to it, if it were just so darn ugly. I have a M and an XL in the TNN brand (I think). Inexpensive but came with my bike. If anyone else is interested these are like brand new. They are red and black and I'll part with them for $25 each. E-mail me directly if interested. > I had originally wanted those "driving" gloves made of leather > with the velcro wrist strap, I had a pair in the past, and > they held up pretty good to lots of abuse. They are kind of > like what police wear.. I can't find them anywhere any more > though. I had picked them up from pep boys for $15 and they were > great. What the cops on the 250 Rebels in DC seem to wear look suspiciously like my Hechinger (tm) motorcycle gloves I wear around the yard dealing with our locust tree. I think I paid $12 for them a year ago. They're prolly OK for commuting but won't get you any poseur points ;) JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 03:15:58 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA01928 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990818071537.21618.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.46] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:15:37 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: re: want to find cheap helmet, and gloves To: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like the gloves at the PGCC MC safety course. Gloves without a wrist strap are kind of scary.. if you hand happens to hit the pavement in the right direction, it might come off. I believe I have heard of one incident where that happened. Not sure if I read it here or on usenet. --- "John C. Kozyn" wrote: > What the cops on the 250 Rebels in DC seem to wear look > suspiciously > like my Hechinger (tm) motorcycle gloves I wear around the yard > dealing > with our locust tree. I think I paid $12 for them a year ago. > They're > prolly OK for commuting but won't get you any poseur points ;) > > JK _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 07:01:10 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05795 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: GPS End of Week Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:00:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain FYI, from another list: For those of you that use GPS you need to be aware that the week 1024 roll-over will occur this coming Saturday, August 21th making your receiver unable to find the satellites. Go to the U.S. Coast Guard Website http://www.navcen.uscg.mil/gps/geninfo/y2k/default.htm and click on "GPS End of Week (EOW) Rollover Issues" If you know anyone that uses GPS I urge you to cut and paste this and send it to them. We sure don't want anybody getting lost on land or at see. Marc I know nothing, still using maps and star positions, often lost under the overcast. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 08:00:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06750 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A03F120016A; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:59:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990818073520.00c1d850@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:44:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, F4Rider@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Street legal requirements In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990817165442.01251700@ns2.pgcc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 04:54 PM 8/17/99 , Brad wrote: >Does anybody know if MCs are *required* to have headlights?...I'm thinking= I >can get a brake light wired in and slap a license plate on it... turn >signals if I'm feeling really inspired.... >Who's always got the legal http references? :-) You don't say what state you live in, but the Virginia code is online at http://leg1.state.va.us/ Not sure about DC or MD. No, headlights aren't required to be turned on - just beware you're about=20 invisible to oncoming traffic. Failure to even have a headlight that you=20 could turn on or off would be a clear indication of no VA inspection, and=20 possible other infractions worthy of a roadside safety inspection. Electric turn signals aren't required, but some signal is required (hand=20 signals, see below). Not sure about brake lights. Your main danger would= =20 be from cagers who can't see you or figure what you're up to, not danger=20 from cops. Chris Norloff ***************************************** Headlights =A7 46.2-1012 Headlights on motorcycles; auxiliary headlights Every motorcycle shall be equipped with at least one and not more than two= =20 headlights which shall be of a type that has been approved by the=20 Superintendent and shall be capable of projecting sufficient light to the=20 front of such motorcycle to render discernible a person or object at a=20 distance of 200 feet. However, the lights shall not project a glaring or=20 dazzling light to persons approaching such motorcycles. In addition, each=20 motorcycle may be equipped with not more than two auxiliary headlights of a= =20 type approved by the Superintendent. Motorcycles may be equipped with means of modulating the high beam of their= =20 headlights between high and low beam at a rate of 200 to 280 flashes per=20 minute. Such headlights shall not be so modulated during periods when=20 headlights would ordinarily be required to be lighted under =A746.2-1030. ***************************************** Turn signals =A7 46.2-1038 When turn signals required; exceptions A. Any motor vehicle, trailer, or semitrailer which is so constructed or=20 carries a load in such a manner as to prevent a hand and arm signal=20 required in =A746.2-849 from being visible both to the front and rear of= such=20 motor vehicle, trailer, or semitrailer or any vehicle the driver of which=20 is incapable of giving the required hand and arm signals, shall be equipped= =20 with electrical turn signals which meet the requirements of this title and= =20 are of a type that has been approved by the Superintendent. A tractor=20 truck, however, need not be equipped with electrical turn signals on the=20 rear if it is equipped with double faced signal lights mounted on the front= =20 fenders or on the sides near the front of the vehicle clearly visible to=20 the rear. B. It shall be unlawful for any person to drive on any highway a motor=20 vehicle registered in the Commonwealth and manufactured or assembled after= =20 January 1, 1955, unless such vehicle is equipped with such turn signals on= =20 both front and rear. C. Any such turn signal may be used in lieu of the hand and arm signal=20 required by =A746.2-849. D. Subsections A and B of this section shall not apply to any motorcycle.=20 The provisions of this section shall not apply to motor vehicles, trailers,= =20 or semitrailers used for agricultural or horticultural purposes and=20 exempted from registration under Article 6 (=A746.2-662 et seq.) of Chapter= 6=20 of this title. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 08:00:07 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06752 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A040120016A; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:00:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990818074503.00c046f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:49:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Isle of Man/Rumble of the gates In-Reply-To: <003a01bee92a$905461e0$972fbccc@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:34 PM 8/17/99 , jambroga wrote: >My wife said she will support my racing habit so long as I promised one >thing - that I would never race Isle of Man.... All it takes is 5 minutes >of Speedvision coverage to cure me >of the delusions of granduer. ... >Anyway, >whenever any of us racers think we're quick, or any street riders think they >were really layin it down, take a look at some TT footage. You can leave >your cajones at the door on the way out. We, apparently, never even come >close to using them. The motorycle movie "Take It to the Limit" has on-bike footage of Mike "The Bike" Hailwood when he came out of retirement to ride some laps at the Isle of Man. Hailwood had won there several times, as I recall, in famous duels with Giacomo Agostini (sp?). There were other riders out that day practicing. Hailwood had planned to just take some "victory" laps, but soon got up to his race pace as he narrated for the camera while he was riding. His voice was all chopped up by the bouncing and the wind. I'll never forget seeing him pass other bikes like they were standing still - and these other bikers were practicing for the race! And I'll also never forget how so much of the "race course" (public roads) has those nice, quaint, deadly stone walls lining the sides of the road. whew, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 09:06:22 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07866 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm7a-46.his.com [216.200.82.46]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07812 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990818090016.008dc100@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:00:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: 8/21 MD ride to airshow In-Reply-To: <000001bee8a9$140324e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19990816122320.009093c0@mail.his.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:07 AM 8/17/99 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >Wow! This sounds like a blast :) > >I wish I could join you Steve, but I'll be celebrating a good freinds >wedding this weekend. Have fun. I spent about 3.5 years working for a company located at Frederick Municipal. It is a really small airport, I'm suprised they are going to have as much of the modern stuff as their ad indicates. I even called them to confirm it. A B-52 is also suppose to do a fly by. I think it should be interesting. I'll post another remider on friday am. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 10:33:30 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09273 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A42514501B2; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:33:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990818102811.00c145c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:34:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Free Shoei "bikini" fairing with wings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Free Shoei "bikini" fairing with wings (at least I think that's what you'd call it). I have an old black Shoei mini-fairing, free to a good home. It's not scratched, broken, or gouged, but it's not ready for a Concours d'Elegance either. It has a space for a round headlight, and has a wider area (or "wings") that come off the top and would presumably be positioned right in front of the handlebars. 12 in. tall not including the windscreen (does not have a windscreen with it) 12 in. wide at the headlight, 25 in. wide at the wings. hole for 6.5 in. round headlight. has mounting points inside the wings, with rods that would presumably be clamped to handlebar-mounted clamps. It has the rods, does not have the clamps. Right off, I'd guess this would look best on a UJM streetfighter. Available for pick up in Falls Church, VA, or Washington DC (SW). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 10:57:26 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web507.yahoomail.com (web507.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09645 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990818145331.692.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.195] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:53:31 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: TL1000S info needed To: George Howell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Welcome to Hell, sir. Enjoy your stay. --- George Howell wrote: > > George, isn't it you who always refers to your > > girlfriend as SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed)? > > Perhaps you aren't the best one to be making this > > joke. > > That was when she was my girlfriend. I find I can > get away with a lot more now that she has an > engagement ring on her finger. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 11:25:27 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10162 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:24:37 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:24:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:24:28 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jbroga@XXXXXX Subject: Isle of Man/Rumble of the gates -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline -snip- You got that right. Racing's scary enough without having stone fences and houses zipping by your noggin. Joe All it takes is 5 minutes of Speedvision coverage to cure me of the delusions of granduer. If you havent watched there coverage yet, by all means watch it. Look for the monster and I mean MONSTER tankslapper about 15 minutes into it. Gotta give that guy credit, he fought it to the end. (I believe he lived, at least 2 others died during the weekend) Anyway, whenever any of us racers think we're quick, or any street riders think they were really layin it down, take a look at some TT footage. You can leave your cajones at the door on the way out. We, apparently, never even come close to using them. Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 12:11:15 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11036 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-238-155.s155.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.238.155]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id MAA13167; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:11:09 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 99 12:06:15 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: want to find cheap helmet, and gloves To: dc-cycles , Daniel aka ITM X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Yep. Just ask Eric Bostrom about this-in tire testing at Daytona early this year, he lost a rear at 180 and went down, losing his glove and nearly losing much of his hand. Hadn't been fastened right due to a cast or something similar. I realize this isn't typical use for anyone but the dc sportbike crown, but... greg --- On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Daniel aka ITM wrote: >Sounds like the gloves at the PGCC MC safety course. Gloves without >a wrist strap are kind of scary.. if you hand happens to hit the >pavement in the right direction, it might come off. I believe I >have heard of one incident where that happened. Not sure if I read >it here or on usenet. > >--- "John C. Kozyn" wrote: >> What the cops on the 250 Rebels in DC seem to wear look >> suspiciously >> like my Hechinger (tm) motorcycle gloves I wear around the yard >> dealing >> with our locust tree. I think I paid $12 for them a year ago. >> They're >> prolly OK for commuting but won't get you any poseur points ;) >> >> JK > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/18/99 HSTA/AMA 12:06:15 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 12:36:50 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11493 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJBNXG4M; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:35:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:08:04 -0400 Subject: Re: GPS End of Week Message-ID: <19990818.123344.-767077.0.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Louis E Tweed Check the website of the GPS manufactor also. My Garmin is supposed to go on unaffected. Louis >FYI, from another list: >For those of you that use GPS you need to be aware that the week 1024 >roll-over will occur this coming Saturday, August 21th making your >receiver >unable to find the satellites. Go to the U.S. Coast Guard Website >http://www.navcen.uscg.mil/gps/geninfo/y2k/default.htm and click on >"GPS End >of Week (EOW) Rollover Issues" >If you know anyone that uses GPS I urge you to cut and paste this and >send >it to them. We sure don't want anybody getting lost on land or at see. >Marc ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 12:47:09 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11664 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA19581; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:45:50 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa09225; Wed, 18 Aug 99 12:34:37 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGO009EG64VUL@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D1.005AD730 ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:32:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:45:11 -0400 Subject: Re: southern ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D1.005ACF21.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Greg, That was "Twistgrip" magazine. The issue is the one with the guy on the dual-sport BMW flying through the air at the viewer. I was just looking at it last night, by coincidence. If you don't have this magazine, I can scan in the article and send it to you (or fax it). Chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Greg Sachs Date: 08/18/99 03:15:50 AM GMT Subject: southern ride I remember seeing in a mag earlier this yeah(before daytona), might have been a late last year issue a route description starting on skyline, going down the blue ridge, diverting to deals gap and so on. Can anyone help me for a possible trip to atlanta where I would have some free time? 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 13:02:45 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11988 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04938 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:03:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: "'dc'" Subject: Motorcycle Lit 101 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Listers, Some of you might read the Motorcycle Consumer News, in my eyes one of the better motorcycle mags around. Of course, I may be biased since I write for them, but that's another story In any case, I've been trying to get my hands on motorcycle literature (yes, that would be books) and seem to have hit a dry spell. Has anybody on the list read or seen anything that's really good (or really bad, for that matter) that deserves a review? Please let me know any suggestions you might have, Bests, Erik CX500D "Das Beast" ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 13:28:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12430 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD382C301A6; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:28:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990818132854.00c2bb40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:29:51 -0400 To: Erik Schelzig , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycle Lit 101 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:03 PM 8/18/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >I've been trying to get >my hands on motorcycle literature (yes, that would be books) and seem to >have hit a dry spell. Has anybody on the list read or seen anything >that's really good (or really bad, for that matter) that deserves a >review? Please let me know any suggestions you might have, Whew! Well, about 99% of everything at Whitehorse Press (www.whitehorsepress.com) is worthy. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 13:34:34 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12534 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-204-220.s601.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.204.220]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id NAA13510; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:34:25 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 99 13:29:53 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Motorcycle Lit 101 To: "'dc'" , Erik Schelzig X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'm in the middle of Julian Ryder's newest book, "Honda's V-Force", which is the chronicle of the V-4's, from the RS500 to the VFR800, including the NR750. Great read if you're into the V-4s. I also picked up "against the wind", but haven't read it yet. greg --- On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Erik Schelzig wrote: >Dear Listers, > >Some of you might read the Motorcycle Consumer News, in my eyes one of the >better motorcycle mags around. Of course, I may be biased since I write >for them, but that's another story In any case, I've been trying to get >my hands on motorcycle literature (yes, that would be books) and seem to >have hit a dry spell. Has anybody on the list read or seen anything >that's really good (or really bad, for that matter) that deserves a >review? Please let me know any suggestions you might have, > >Bests, > >Erik > >CX500D "Das Beast" > > >==== >Erik J. Schelzig >http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/18/99 HSTA/AMA 1:29:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 14:01:24 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13077 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567D1.00627D73 ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:55:46 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Erik Schelzig cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567D1.00623C14.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:55:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Lit 101 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Have you tried (http://www.motorcyclememories.com/)? I was able to get a bunch of back issues of several periodicals for my particular model bike. Not sure if they have books, but it would be worth a try. Good luck with your search. Steve Beck >>In any case, I've been trying to get my hands on motorcycle literature (yes, that would be books) and seem to have hit a dry spell. Has anybody on the list read or seen anything that's really good (or really bad, for that matter) that deserves a review? Please let me know any suggestions you might have,<< From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 14:17:36 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13348 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:07:50 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:07:26 -0400 Message-Id: <37BAF6ED.DAB138F4@trw.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:09:51 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Schelzig , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Lit 101 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speed : A Novel by Mark Harris This falls under the catagory of actual "Literature," but for those of you who like fiction and old motorcycles, it's a fairly good read. An Indian Chief figures prominently in the story. This same author has written some very funny baseball fiction as well. Randy Moran Erik Schelzig wrote: > >>Has anybody on the list read or seen anything > that's really good (or really bad, for that matter) that deserves a > review? Please let me know any suggestions you might have<< From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 14:49:57 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13974 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:49:55 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA12167; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:48:15 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027416; Wed, 18 Aug 99 14:32:02 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGO008BSBKKWR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D1.00659829 ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:29:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:41:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Lit 101 To: Erik Schelzig Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <852567D1.00658C19.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Erik: I agree with you, MCN is top notch, although I get a bit tired of hearing the editors rave about how great their lives are (admittedly, I am jealous). Two books you may want to review: Idiot's Guide to Motorcycling: a pretty good beginners book. Not too much detail on how to ride, but interesting chapters on racing and rally's. It tries to introduce the concept of a motorcycle community. V-Force: A must for any VFR lover. It traces the history of Honda's V-4 engine in both race and streetbikes. Mark To: 'dc' cc: From: Erik Schelzig Date: 08/18/99 05:03:40 PM GMT Subject: Motorcycle Lit 101 Dear Listers, Some of you might read the Motorcycle Consumer News, in my eyes one of the better motorcycle mags around. Of course, I may be biased since I write for them, but that's another story In any case, I've been trying to get my hands on motorcycle literature (yes, that would be books) and seem to have hit a dry spell. Has anybody on the list read or seen anything that's really good (or really bad, for that matter) that deserves a review? Please let me know any suggestions you might have, Bests, Erik CX500D "Das Beast" ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 15:12:49 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14409 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990818191157.22466.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [4.16.48.95] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:11:57 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Lit 101 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, Erik Schelzig Cc: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Two books you may want to review: > > Idiot's Guide to Motorcycling: a pretty good beginners book. Not too much > detail on how to ride, but interesting chapters on racing and rally's. It > tries to introduce the concept of a motorcycle community. I read this and returned it to the book store. I was very disappointed with its coverage. Guess it was better for other people. I thought a good book for beginners was Jim Bennett's "The Complete Guide to Motorcycling" although it may be getting a tad old now. Ron Ayres, the author of "Against the Wind" has a new book coming out from Whitehorse Press soon, called "Against the Clock" in which he writes about his successful attempt at a record run in all 48 lower states, and then including Alaska on a motorcycle last summer. Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 16:02:33 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15308 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:02:30 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA19415; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:02:38 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029711; Wed, 18 Aug 99 15:39:47 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGO00JVAEQO65@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D1.006BDD0B ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:38:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:17:43 -0400 Subject: Tire Change$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D1.006BD1FA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I need to get my tires changed and I'm looking for the cheapest rate. I'd have to bring in the tires on the bike and I'd like to be able to have it done while I wait. I got a quote of $80 total from Loudon Motorsports, and I think this is exhorbitant. Has anyone found a better rate somewhere else? (Hopefully not at Coleman Shystersports, but I'm desperate) Is it worthwhile to wait until a race at SP and who would I go to there to swap tires? Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's tire changer cost? Thanks for any recommendations. Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 16:25:17 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15763 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA10995; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:24:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Change$ In-Reply-To: <852567D1.006BD1FA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I need to get my tires changed and I'm looking for the cheapest rate. I'd > have to bring in the tires on the bike and I'd like to be able to have it > done while I wait. I got a quote of $80 total from Loudon Motorsports, and > I think this is exhorbitant. Has anyone found a better rate somewhere else? > (Hopefully not at Coleman Shystersports, but I'm desperate) Is it > worthwhile to wait until a race at SP and who would I go to there to swap > tires? Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's tire changer cost? Just wait till the weekend after next and go up to Summit. Tire mouning and balancing will prob cost you less than half of your quote. What type of tires are they? The Dunlop and Bridgestone guys are always up at summit, but I don't know if they'll mount someone else's tires. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 16:32:51 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15958 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990818203109.7407.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.195] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:31:09 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:31:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Change$ To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I need to get my tires changed and I'm looking for > the cheapest rate. I'd > have to bring in the tires on the bike and I'd like > to be able to have it > done while I wait. I got a quote of $80 total from > Loudon Motorsports, and > I think this is exhorbitant. Ahh....Loudon getting some bad publicity. I love to hear it. > Has anyone found a > better rate somewhere else? Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg, MD. $25 per tire....still no bargain, but it's $30 cheaper than you were quoted. 301 977-7188. > (Hopefully not at Coleman Shystersports, but I'm > desperate) Is it > worthwhile to wait until a race at SP and who would > I go to there to swap > tires? Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's > tire changer cost? I think it was $40 or so. Contact Brian McCoy and purchase his share. He's moving soon and wants out. Todd Peer is in charge of keeping the shareholders' list, I believe. -- tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 16:44:41 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16141 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rQABa01404 (4470); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:43:34 EDT Subject: Re: Tire Change$ To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 In a message dated 08/18/1999 4:38:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: << Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's > tire changer cost? I think it was $40 or so. >> and now that the tire changer is already purchased, where does the new money go? :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 16:51:28 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16313 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA10250 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:51:22 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:51:22 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Change$ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:51:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I got a quote of $80 total from Loudon Motorsports $40/wheel on the bike isn't bad - they bag $225 if you bring in the wheel. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 17:01:01 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16510 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:46:20 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:45:58 -0400 Message-Id: <37BB1C16.4CE5E0A6@trw.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:48:24 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Tire Change$ References: <852567D1.006BD1FA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, was this quote based on you bringing the whole bike to Loudoun or just the wheels? They did it for $17.50 per wheel for me which I didn't think was bad considering what a mechanic makes per hour. I had to bring them just the wheels though. chris weaver > >> I got a quote of $80 total from Loudon Motorsports, and > I think this is exhorbitant. << > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 17:07:15 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16637 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-252-118.s372.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.252.118]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id RAA14399; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:07:09 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 99 17:02:54 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Tire Change$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Randy at Randy's Vintage cycle is doing my front for 20, think thats his standard rate. paying a little more for the tire from him, but still not bad. $130 for everything vs $160 from coleman out the door. greg --- On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:17:43 -0400 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >I need to get my tires changed and I'm looking for the cheapest rate. I'd >have to bring in the tires on the bike and I'd like to be able to have it >done while I wait. I got a quote of $80 total from Loudon Motorsports, and >I think this is exhorbitant. Has anyone found a better rate somewhere else? >(Hopefully not at Coleman Shystersports, but I'm desperate) Is it >worthwhile to wait until a race at SP and who would I go to there to swap >tires? Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's tire changer cost? > >Thanks for any recommendations. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/18/99 HSTA/AMA 5:02:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 17:17:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16815 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA26016; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:16:19 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa12253; Wed, 18 Aug 99 17:00:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGO00DK5IGT31@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D1.00733B35 ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:58:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:56:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Tire Change$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D1.00733387.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, that's a problem. They're Avons. I doubt there'll be an Avon rep there. Think the Dunlop rep would do it for an additional 6-pack of beer? :^) Chris Brian Roach wrote: Just wait till the weekend after next and go up to Summit. Tire mouning and balancing will prob cost you less than half of your quote. What type of tires are they? The Dunlop and Bridgestone guys are always up at summit, but I don't know if they'll mount someone else's tires. - Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 17:33:36 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17129 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:33:34 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA13333; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:34:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003543; Wed, 18 Aug 99 17:23:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGO00IFBJJU8O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D1.00755F8B ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:22:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:21:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Tire Change$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D1.007557BC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL This was bringing the whole bike in. I don't have front or rear stands or a garage from which I can suspend the bike. It was a good idea though. Chris From: Randy Moran Chris, was this quote based on you bringing the whole bike to Loudoun or just the wheels? They did it for $17.50 per wheel for me which I didn't think was bad considering what a mechanic makes per hour. I had to bring them just the wheels though. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 18:01:11 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17662 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990818220134.10677.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.209] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:01:34 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Change$ To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I believe the group decided that any extra money would be used for shop materials, or redistributed among shareholders (in the case of a drastic increase in membership). In this situation, however, a sale by Brian McCoy of his stock would only give him a return of his investment (or a profit if he chose to gouge somebody). No extra cash for us. :( --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 08/18/1999 4:38:59 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > << Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's > > tire changer cost? > > I think it was $40 or so. >> > > and now that the tire changer is already purchased, > where does the new money > go? > :D > Marcy _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 19:34:28 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19179 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm10h-158.his.com [209.67.210.158]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02905; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990818192908.008f91f0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:29:08 -0400 To: Erik Schelzig , "'dc'" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Motorcycle Lit 101 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" At 01:03 PM 8/18/99 -0400, Erik Schelzig wrote: >have hit a dry spell. Has anybody on the list read or seen anything >that's really good (or really bad, for that matter) that deserves a >review? Please let me know any suggestions you might have, Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig tops my list. Quite a bit has been written about this book, but it really effected my life in a profound way. As a direct result of reading it I was empowered with enough "gumption" to rebuild the broken transmission of my street bike. This lead to me getting a job at the local motorcycle shop in the service dept, which in turn caused me to get into road racing, and involvement in racing has pretty much directed the path of my adult life to date. Peter Clifford's The Art & Science of Motorcycle Road Racing would be number two, although I could hardly call it "literature" in the same sense as Zen, it has what I think is the best written description of counter steering I have read. I used it at our road racing school when the subject ever comes up. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 20:41:54 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.yahoomail.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA20254 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990819004217.24320.rocketmail@web303.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:42:17 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tire changer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris, If you can wait till next weekend, ride the bike out to the track or swing by my inlaws on Friday morning...I will have both front and rear stands with me and can pull the wheels for you (read watch you do it ;-)). Either Kenny with Race Tire Service (dunlop) or JB (bridgestone) will mount any tire for I believe $10/wheel. Obviously buying from them, they mount for free. JB is selling the bridgestones at a very nice price for race comps...$290 mounted. If I run a non points weekend at some point, I'm going to give em a try. For the race comp 207's, you won't beat the $340 price that Kenny is asking....Worth asking if either of them have a set or two of street comps in the trailer as well... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 22:19:17 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21906 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0125.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.157]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA10473 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37BB95CE.15C7@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:27:42 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Moto Lit 101 (cont'd) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, I noticed no one yet mentioned "Sportbiking: The Real World (The Advanced Riders Handbook)" [sic] by Gary Jaehne. I thought this book was great. A little bit of theory followed by (somewhat longish) application marked most chapters and a special section on riding in the wet finished the 92 page book. I liked Jaehne's work much better than Keith Code's TOW II, and he covers most everything Code talked about. Plus it's far easier to comprehend (at least for me). I bought an extra copy for a friend recently but it took two months for it to get here via Borders.com (!) Great book though. I recommend it. JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 22:52:42 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22460 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:52:41 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id lSQAa24004 (4183); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:51:00 EDT Subject: Re: 8/21 MD ride to airshow To: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 They've built an extension to runway 23, I think it was. Who did ya work for? I worked a short time for Frederick Aviation pumping gas. Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 18 23:21:16 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22929 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:21:14 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vCRTa16287 (3989) for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:20:11 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/18/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Hi all. Hope all are well. As some may recall, though I definately made no big news of it, I recently went to, and got married in, Morocco. In order to finance my wifes joining me in America (I will spare you the details), I am currently offering for sale some stuff that is much less important to me than she is (understatement), STARTING WITH: 1998 flatbed trailer, wooden bed, 16' long (the bed), SUPER for hauling bikes with minimal outfitting. Dual axle, electric brake, 9000# GVW, perfect for a pickup (and long enough to haul one), NOT an enclosed trailer, 250 miles on it (yes thats all) price$1,300.00 (1650 new.) Second, my baby, (not my zx11, which I would gladly sell for this cause, but it is financed, so no gain), 1984 BMW 528e, 170K, I think everything works, straight car, nice sunroof etc etc etc. $4000.00 (super reliable, all records, nice looking, fair price, BMWs run forever, dont be afraid of the miles). Third (this is hard) for guitar players, I will sell my PRS 10 top custom with bird inlays. If you dont know, dont ask, but if you do, you know this is a sweet axe, and hard to sell. price $1750.00 non negotiable. Finally, also hard, any SERIOUS bibliophiles....I will sell my book collection, about 1000 volumes, ALL or none, details for the super serious, price $5,000.00 ( a steal, and still a tad negotiable.) Finally any ideas about AT& T telephone "amnesty" I am open, trying to figure out how to get them to "give" me free cals to Morocco, strange, I know, but were talking about 1300.00 a month in calls. Anyhow, SORRY about using the list this way, but hey! I read lots of your stuff! Please, I am SUPER busy with this situation, so email me direct, I cant read the list much, and only if you are really serious. If you know anyone interested, plz, I need the $ and it is an awesome cause and there is a real need. Thanks all, be safe! -Jim zx11 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 08:42:06 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03539 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:42:04 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA16259; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:42:34 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa15813; Thu, 19 Aug 99 08:42:20 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGP0099CQ38D0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D2.0045A8C0 ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:40:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:40:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Moto Lit 101 (cont'd) To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D2.0045A2E6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL YES...this is the best book for improving your sport riding skills. Its so much easier to read than TOW. However, if you are already pretty good, TOW will teach you more. Mark To: dc-cycles cc: From: "John C. Kozyn" Date: 08/19/99 05:27:42 AM GMT Subject: Moto Lit 101 (cont'd) Hey DC Guys & Gals, I noticed no one yet mentioned "Sportbiking: The Real World (The Advanced Riders Handbook)" [sic] by Gary Jaehne. I thought this book was great. A little bit of theory followed by (somewhat longish) application marked most chapters and a special section on riding in the wet finished the 92 page book. I liked Jaehne's work much better than Keith Code's TOW II, and he covers most everything Code talked about. Plus it's far easier to comprehend (at least for me). I bought an extra copy for a friend recently but it took two months for it to get here via Borders.com (!) Great book though. I recommend it. JK ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 08:53:32 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03939 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FGP00L02QF4CP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:52:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA07280; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:51:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990819125205.RBDH22082@toddnt>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:52:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:49:51 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Tire Change$ In-reply-to: To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000301beea41$53e87670$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Marcy, Everyone, Any 'new' money would be set aside for additional tool purchases. Since the purchase of the changer there hasn't been any 'new' money coming in. To any latecomers, some DC-Cycles listers pitched in to buy a share of a common tools exchange. With the money from the share sale, we bought a tire changer. Any shareholder is welcome to use it. Any shareholder is also able to opt out and sell/give/dispose of his/her share as they see fit. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 08/18/1999 4:38:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > << Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's > > tire changer cost? > > I think it was $40 or so. >> > > and now that the tire changer is already purchased, where does > the new money > go? > :D > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 09:34:57 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04948 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 16:32:38 UT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 9:33 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Tire Change$ Message-ID: <19990819093528252-a74c13e@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So... when are we going to get that balancer?? I'd be more than willing to put up some money for that. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Tire Change$ Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: 08/19/1999 8:49 AM Marcy, Everyone, Any 'new' money would be set aside for additional tool purchases. Since the purchase of the changer there hasn't been any 'new' money coming in. To any latecomers, some DC-Cycles listers pitched in to buy a share of a common tools exchange. With the money from the share sale, we bought a tire changer. Any shareholder is welcome to use it. Any shareholder is also able to opt out and sell/give/dispose of his/her share as they see fit. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 08/18/1999 4:38:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > << Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's > > tire changer cost? > > I think it was $40 or so. >> > > and now that the tire changer is already purchased, where does > the new money > go? > :D > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 10:10:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05500 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FGP00CARTM1E2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:01:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA00556; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990819140111.SCER22082@toddnt>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:01:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:58:56 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: RE: Tire Change$ In-reply-to: <19990819093528252-a74c13e@fanniemaefoundation.org> To: Tom Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000601beea4a$fa885230$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal When we can find another location for the changer, then we can focus on the balancer. Glenn wants to give up the changer which is pretty fairly centrally located to the shareholders. Does any shareholder living inside or close to the outside of the beltway and DC want to take custodianship of the tools? At a minimum you need a place to store the tirechanger, a tire-balancer, and be willing to have people come over and use them. Bruce Norton offered, but he is located in Leesburg. I'll wait to here other suggestions. If there is a non-shareholder that fits this description, I'm sure Glenn wouldn't mind hearing from you as well. I would do it, but my garage is cramped already. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] > > So... when are we going to get that balancer?? I'd be more than > willing to put > up some money for that. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 10:54:04 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06216 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA03761; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:53:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Todd Peer cc: Tom Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Tire Change$ In-Reply-To: <000601beea4a$fa885230$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Does any shareholder living inside or close to the outside of the beltway > and DC want to take custodianship of the tools? At a minimum you need a > place to store the tirechanger, a tire-balancer, and be willing to have > people come over and use them. Bruce Norton offered, but he is located in > Leesburg. I'll wait to here other suggestions. If there is a > non-shareholder that fits this description, I'm sure Glenn wouldn't mind > hearing from you as well. Well, I'm not a shareholder (But I'd be willing to buy in). My new house will be done next month, which includes a 2-car garage. I'm in alexandria, just over the bridge. The garage was a requirement so that I could work on my race bike, so space isn't an issue. Plus, I'm sure I'd get some use out of it from time to time :) - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 11:05:12 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06481 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:04:38 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C414@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Tom Zell'" , Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Tire Change$ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:04:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Agreed, I've even asked Todd (several times now) about letting other newcomers on the list join so that we can get some more money for things like a balancer. We are also going to eventually need new plastic covers that go over the pry bar and protect the rim from getting scratched. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 9:33 AM To: Todd Peer; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:RE: Tire Change$ So... when are we going to get that balancer?? I'd be more than willing to put up some money for that. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Tire Change$ Author: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: 08/19/1999 8:49 AM Marcy, Everyone, Any 'new' money would be set aside for additional tool purchases. Since the purchase of the changer there hasn't been any 'new' money coming in. To any latecomers, some DC-Cycles listers pitched in to buy a share of a common tools exchange. With the money from the share sale, we bought a tire changer. Any shareholder is welcome to use it. Any shareholder is also able to opt out and sell/give/dispose of his/her share as they see fit. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 08/18/1999 4:38:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > << Lastly, how much would a buy-in to the list's > > tire changer cost? > > I think it was $40 or so. >> > > and now that the tire changer is already purchased, where does > the new money > go? > :D > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 11:38:44 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06974 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990819153825.23321.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.35] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:38:25 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: RE: Tire Change$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How much do balancers cost? A friend of mine needs his front wheel balanced I think (feel front end bounce), I told him to subscribe to this list, he said he did, guess his name has to be added. I also think he'd might be interested in getting a share, I definitely will get a share, but a little later on, money is a little tight right now and I have 2 new tires anyway.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 13:56:41 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09387 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:55:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199908191355.AA267583716@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" , "Tracy (Work)" CC: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Chris Bay" , "Richard (work)" , , Subject: Seneca Rocks ride on Sunday! X-Mailer: Friends, Tracy and I are going to be riding out to Seneca Rocks, WV on Sunday, 8/22. You all are cordially invited to ride with us. We will be eating breakfast at the Old Country Buffet Restaurant on Rt. 234 in Manassas, VA at 8:00 am. We hope to leave the parking lot between 9:15-9:30am, so be gassed up and ready to roll. For some of the newer e-faces on DC-Cycles, this is a wonderful opportunity to come out and meet some of us lunatics in person. :) If you haven't made the trip out to Seneca Rocks yet, it is a wonderful ride, one of my favorites in the area. The route is easy - essentially Rte 55 West the whole way, Rte 33 back. It's curvy, it's scenic, it's impossible to get lost. (Uh oh, I've cursed us now!) :) It's also about a 300 mile (?) round-trip (yes, there is gas available for you tiny-tankers out there). We'll probably stop (as usual) for a late lunch at the Front Porch Restaurant in Seneca Rocks. Nice greasy spoon-kinda place. Other breaks as butts and bladders dictate. This ride will be CB-radio friendly - both Tracy and I are wired for sound! Ride along and chat with us! :) I'll try to draft up some route-sheets through Street Atlas and have them on hand for everyone. We'll be setting a nice comfortably moderate (i.e. not racer fast) pace. Someone else can offer to lead a fast group, if you wish. This ride might be kind of long for a newbie rider, but manageable otherwise. See you Sunday, maybe, Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 13:58:16 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09461 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:58:13 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA09278 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:02:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199908191702.NAA09278@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:56:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: DC Motorcycle registration Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Hi all- I am about to embark on a journey to the ( insert Twilight Zone music here ) " DC REGISTRATION ZONE" I remember some discussion a while ago about someone trying to get their bike registered and was wondering if anyone has the address of the inspection station where I need to go. I am changing car and bike information from VA to DC [ new home owner ] and figured I would get the bike inspected today, while it is still registered in VA so I can drive it to the station. Tomorrow, if all goes well, I will have a DC driver license in my hand, and therefore probably should not be riding the bike around with my VA tags anymore. I believe this is a bold undertaking on my part, but I think it just might work. If it does, this will save me the headache of having to go and get temp tags in order get the bike inspected...I should have everything I need tomorrow! ...sigh... About that address... Anyone? From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 14:12:58 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09751 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:12:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199908191412.AA251658488@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Hugh Caldwell" CC: Subject: Re: tour update X-Mailer: > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html Sounds like an absolutely wonderful trip! Thanks for writing it up! Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 14:35:47 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10192 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:34:43 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:34:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:34:01 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Cc: richard.e.horstman@XXXXXX, cbay@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX, bob_broeking@XXXXXX, elledge_st@XXXXXX Subject: Seneca Rocks ride on Sunday! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Horkster wrote: "We'll be setting a nice comfortably moderate (i.e. not racer fast) pace. Someone else can offer to lead a fast group, if you wish. Hey Tom & Jeanette, you think he should invite those two R1 dudes? (heh heh) Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 19:37:04 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15468 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id fVa0003711 (3945); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8724ff76.24edeee8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:36:08 EDT Subject: Re: Tire Change$ To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, TZell@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/19/1999 11:14:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Agreed, I've even asked Todd (several times now) about letting other newcomers on the list join so that we can get some more money for things like a balancer. We are also going to eventually need new plastic covers that go over the pry bar and protect the rim from getting scratched. Glenn >> I thought that the original deal was that anyone who WASN'T a shareholder could change his tires with a small fee each use. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 20:41:19 1999 Return-Path: pgerhardt@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f315.hotmail.com [207.82.250.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16562 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26782 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1999 00:40:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990820004042.26781.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.76.254.214 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:40:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.76.254.214] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:40:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:27:42 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: dc-cycles Subject: Moto Lit 101 (cont'd) Hey DC Guys & Gals, I noticed no one yet mentioned "Sportbiking: The Real World (The Advanced Riders Handbook)" [sic] by Gary Jaehne. I thought this book was" John, I agree this book is well worth the read! Read the Keith Code books too though. I bought this book last winter off Amazon.com and it came in 4 days. FWIW. Paul Gerhardt 86 Concours 96 FZR600 Centreville, MD _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 19 23:33:09 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19596 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2AJOa16280 (3996) for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <99ade477.24ee263d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:32:13 EDT Subject: Re: Tire Change$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 All this speak of the Tire-changer.... I used it once (8 or 9 months ago!), and haven't needed a tire change since then. And I doubt I'd need it for a few thousand more miles, if I chose to change my own tires. SO, I guess I'll put my share up for sale. E-mail me offlist and make an offer. Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 00:49:25 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20793 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:49:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vIVPa05147 (3876) for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:48:25 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/19/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Dale and Tracy Dont think I have met you, (also any others thinking on that Seneca trip), I may be into it depending on timing, etc. Just wanted to say done that route many times, and the last time we did it (last month) and found a flasihng light bar surprise gift just past Petersburg, or better, just before the caverns. Cop was cool, but still, my buddy got a nice trophy. Keep it slower in there for budgeting purposes! Ill watch for concrete info, may join yas if its cool to do so. -jim zx11 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 01:27:29 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21441 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20502 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 05:26:06 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 05:26:06 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA23283; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:22:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:22:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199908200522.BAA23283@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Motorcycle Lit 101 For the Harley riders on the list,_Hot Rod Bikes_ is about the only decent mag out there. 101 Harley Performance Projects is also a must read. For everyone,the Guggenheim's(sp?) Art of the Motorcycle book is the ultimate coffee-table book. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 01:30:19 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21528 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21988 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 05:29:01 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 05:29:01 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA23460; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:25:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:25:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199908200525.BAA23460@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Do You Know the Way to ... well, not San Jose >>Downsides - PA hasn't learned the art of paving roads Oi! We have too. We're so good,we can even pave over roadkill. ;-) Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 01:37:23 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21610 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25441 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 05:36:04 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 05:36:04 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA31429; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:33:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:33:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199908200533.BAA31429@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:The New Victory Sport Cruiser On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:08:55 -0400 Randy Moran wrote: >I'm curious to know what everyone thinks of the recent rebirth of the >American motorcycle industry, especially any Harley types on the list. I like Victory's(don't call 'em Polaris or they'll get pissy) idea of a good-handling cruiser. I think the good press it received may have helped Harley's decision to build the FXDX. Maybe they'll start upgrading the suspension on their other bikes as well. Now,if only could build an American sportbike that held together.... The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 01:40:03 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21623 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26724 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 05:38:44 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 05:38:44 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA23994; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:35:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:35:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199908200535.BAA23994@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:The New Victory Sport Cruiser On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:22:31 -0400 knapik@XXXXXX wrote: >I for one am glad to see that >Harley-D is doing well. Don't own one but wouldn't turn one down either if >somebody wanted to give me one. Get a Harley Visa card. :-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 07:21:41 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28315 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21920 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just heard on interest story/promo on the radio that involves 211 and Sperryville, VA. Ben Jones (who played Cooter on the famous show) has set up show in Sperryville, VA. He is displaying his collection of memorabilia. Knowing how popular 211 is, this museum would be a cultural mecca of which we could all partake on our next ride over the Shenandoah! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 07:23:55 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28325 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Fri, 20 Aug 99 11:23:45 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa000Zx; Fri, 20 Aug 99 11:23:43 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:23:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Bikes for sale (4) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:23:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ok.. time to try and clean out the garage a little.... these bikes are for sale, ask me if you have any questions (e-mail, or phone me at 301.445.4451). 1981 Yamaha Maxim 650 - this bike is just like Collin's 'pepe' with the exception of no hard luggage. Well, mine's in much better condition visually with aftermarket pipes, seat, and a custom paintjob. It runs well, and I fixed the one major issue with it (leaky headgasket). Currently, it has some problems that are relatively cheap/easy to fix - I just don't have the time or motivation right now... those are: Tires have slow air-leaks, either put in tubes, or buy new tires. Front brake system is FUBAR - replacement cost about $100, and a dead battery. I'm looking to get off this thing cheap - $300. That's what I have into the bike $$ wise, with probably 20 hours or so of my time (x $50 as my normal contracting rate?). 1992/94 RS125 roadrace bike. Honda built roadracer... this is a pure-bred race-bike. Everything on it screams of going fast, and being easy to repair.. taking crashes well, and being on the podium. Unfortunately, you can't get it on the podium if you're like me, and can't really fit on a bike that size. It's quite tiny, being described as a 'moped' by one infamous previous lister - of course, it's a moped that'll do 130, and corners faster than any other type of bike ever made (including the 250's and 500's used in World GP). I've done a LOT of work on this bike, and it's in superb condition... I'm looking to get out of it half of what I have invested, for a sale price of $3000.. anything less than that, and it's worth more to me as something cool to have in the living room. 1994 ZX6E - I don't really know a whole lot about this bike, and might actually keep it for myself depending, but I wanted to see if anyone was interested first. My limited info is that the bike's complete except for a gas-tank. It does run, but needs a little TLC to get it running well (it's been sitting for awhile). The bike was abandoned, so the title isn't currently available, but it's not stolen (bought the bike from a police officer).. A title can be had for the bike. Me, I bought it with the thoughts of roadracing it cheaply... and I still might do that - but, anyone want it? Offers? Beyond that, I know that Jay St. Peter is selling his 93 CBR F2 racebike. It works well-enough, though it takes a really good rider in the club scene to get something that old on the podium. Currently, it's set-up for someone my-size to race (umm, because I raced it last weekend). It has 94 F2 forks (cartridge style), new lightly crashed bodywork, spare bodywork, and a small set of spare levers, foot-pegs and assorted goodies. I believe Jay was looking for $2600 - the bike can be seen at my house (for now) - and he can be contacted for more info. Cheers.. :) Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 07:46:35 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28682 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-54.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FGR00GBQI0Y5J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:47:29 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA Cc: DC Cycles Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <37BD404C.60295A54@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: You can't miss it. The General Lee (or a beautiful replica thereof) is parked right out in front of the new museum. It's on the left, west of Sperryvile proper, as you approach the mountain. Randy Moran Morris Berman wrote: >>Ben Jones (who played Cooter on the famous show) has set up show in Sperryville, VA. He is displaying his collection of memorabilia. Knowing how popular 211 is, this museum would be a cultural mecca of which we could all partake on our next ride over the Shenandoah! :-)<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 07:56:22 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28825 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C42F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Morris Berman'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:55:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I saw this last weekend. I saw the name "Cooter's" and then I saw the General Lee. I thought it was something bogus. It was VERY crowded when I went by. Glenn >I just heard on interest story/promo on the radio that involves 211 and >Sperryville, VA. >Ben Jones (who played Cooter on the famous show) has set up show in >Sperryville, VA. He is displaying his collection of memorabilia. Knowing >how popular 211 is, this museum would be a cultural mecca of which we >could all partake on our next ride over the Shenandoah! :-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 08:04:03 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29159 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Nova2.sales.savvis.net (h230-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.230]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id HAA27088; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:02:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:03:00 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEEAE2.6B99C2A0.matte@savvis.net> From: "Matthew R. Elliott" Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "'Morris Berman'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:02:58 -0400 Organization: Savvis Communications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard about this - my sister-in-law went - he tries to get other cast members to show up to draw some crowds - it's called "Cooters" and he's actually there, with the General Lee and everything. Supposedly he has a sign that reads "Cooter will sign anything, just ask." YeeeeeHawwwwww (a big Dukes fan of the past) Matt -----Original Message----- From: Morris Berman [SMTP:berman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:22 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA I just heard on interest story/promo on the radio that involves 211 and Sperryville, VA. Ben Jones (who played Cooter on the famous show) has set up show in Sperryville, VA. He is displaying his collection of memorabilia. Knowing how popular 211 is, this museum would be a cultural mecca of which we could all partake on our next ride over the Shenandoah! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 08:04:33 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e4.ny.us.ibm.com (e4.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29169 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA288578 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:04:07 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id IAA56608 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:03:57 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567D3.004252CF ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:04:25 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567D3.004251F1.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:04:22 -0400 Subject: Re:The New Victory Sport Cruiser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:22:31 -0400 knapik@XXXXXX wrote: >I for one am glad to see that >Harley-D is doing well. Don't own one but wouldn't turn one down either if >somebody wanted to give me one. Gil Nissley replied >> Get a Harley Visa card. :-) Oh, I've got one Gil, when do I get the bike??? ;-) Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 08:35:50 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.103]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00256 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:35:49 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA59492; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:35:21 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id IAA47804; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:35:12 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567D3.00452EFF ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:35:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: davelenard@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567D3.00452DC6.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:35:35 -0400 Subject: Harley-D/Ford Alliance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline There's an interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald about the Australian reaction to the new "Harley inspired" F150. http://www.drive.com.au/ Any opinions on a rainey Friday? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 08:35:56 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA00255 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA10954 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:35:10 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:35:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Morris Berman , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:35:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Ben Jones (who played Cooter on the famous show) Pardon my abysmal ignorance, but what famous show? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 08:46:54 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00618 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:46:37 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C439@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:46:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Don't tell me you've never seen the Dukes of Hazzard? You must be the only person on the planet. Glenn >Ben Jones (who played Cooter on the famous show) >Pardon my abysmal ignorance, but what famous show? From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 08:51:56 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00701 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:51:42 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C43C@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Change$ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:51:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) We never came to that decision. Glenn >I thought that the original deal was that anyone who WASN'T a shareholder >could change his tires with a small fee each use. Someone correct me if I'm >wrong. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:01:57 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web132.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00941 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990820130234.10874.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.8.1] by web132.yahoomail.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:02:34 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Motorcycle Ride with SVDC 8/28(Single Volunteers of DC) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, I came across the following ad and thought I'd pass it along. Herb '94 Magna Motorcycle Ride with SVDC "Got a motorcycle? Come ride with other SV members on Saturday, August 28. We can take up to 20 bikes, as well as some passengers (the number of passengers depends upon how many bike drivers are willing to take a passenger). 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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:04:44 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00951 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:02:25 UT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 9:02 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Morris Berman" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA Message-ID: <19990820090532136-f7fb52a@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Our whole entourage went by there on Sunday... looked like a pretty cool place and you get to jump into the General for pictures and such. Kind of a boring life for the Charger... guess it's my Mopar genes calling to me... but anyway... Next time we're out that way I'm going to suggest a stop by there. I thought Cooter was pretty cool when the show was on... man... the things his character could do! If only it happened that way IRL. Later, Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA Author: berman@XXXXXX (Morris Berman) Date: 08/20/1999 7:21 AM I just heard on interest story/promo on the radio that involves 211 and Sperryville, VA. Ben Jones (who played Cooter on the famous show) has set up show in Sperryville, VA. He is displaying his collection of memorabilia. Knowing how popular 211 is, this museum would be a cultural mecca of which we could all partake on our next ride over the Shenandoah! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:14:10 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01117 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A49D2D201E8; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:14:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990820090844.00c43ad0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:14:29 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C439@dadc040.hqda.pent agon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:46 AM 8/20/99 , Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: >Don't tell me you've never seen the Dukes of Hazzard? You must be the only >person on the planet. Do you mean The Daisy Duke Show? Chris Norloff P.S. Wolo (http://www.wolo-mfg.com/) sells musical horns that do "Dixieland Dukes of Hazzard". Hmmm ... decisions, decisions. At least they have audio files online to help decide. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:14:11 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01118 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A49E2D201E8; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:14:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990820091131.00bd1950@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:12:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Harley-D/Ford Alliance In-Reply-To: <852567D3.00452DC6.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:35 AM 8/20/99 , knapik@XXXXXX wrote: >There's an interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald about the >Australian reaction to the new "Harley inspired" >F150. http://www.drive.com.au/ >Any opinions on a rainey Friday? Doesn't seem very practical. You'd need a tow truck and a flatbed trailer to haul it on. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:28:42 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01381 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27947 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990820090844.00c43ad0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII sorry about that, it completely slipped my mind to name the show. As soon as I began typing I began contemplating painting my GPz orange and calling it the 'General'.... Ouch...nix that, scary thought! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 08:46 AM 8/20/99 , Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > >Don't tell me you've never seen the Dukes of Hazzard? You must be the only > >person on the planet. > > > Do you mean The Daisy Duke Show? > > Chris Norloff > > > P.S. Wolo (http://www.wolo-mfg.com/) sells musical horns that do "Dixieland > Dukes of Hazzard". Hmmm ... decisions, decisions. At least they have > audio files online to help decide. > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:30:48 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01465 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990820132815.7923.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:28:15 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle registration To: jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's half an answer for you. One inspection station is on Half Street SW (a block west of South Capitol, right around (I think) K or L St. The other is on West Virginia Ave NE, out near the National Arboretum; you go out New York Avenue and there are signs telling you to take a right to get to it. It's very close to NY Ave. Here's the catch: one of them is closed. I'm not sure which one, but I am pretty sure that the Half St. station is the one that recently opened after its renovations, which would mean the WV Ave one would be closed now. I recommend phoning first. The new stations have gooten good reviews on the "themail" list (which, if you've moved into DC, you might want to subscribe to -- good info there). Sounds like you've cashed in on that tax credit. What part of town did you buy into? By the way, my experiences at the DC DMV were pretty much positive. It appears to be luck of the draw. So don't abandon all hope. Yet. --- jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi all- > > I am about to embark on a journey to the ( insert > Twilight > Zone music here ) " DC REGISTRATION ZONE" === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:33:16 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01485 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-197.patriot.net [209.249.180.197]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18625; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:33:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37BD5807.BC679931@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:28:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rt 211 News & Sperryville, VA References: <4.2.0.58.19990820090844.00c43ad0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Do you mean The Daisy Duke Show? > > *snort - drool* Bill the lech From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:45:18 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01717 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-197.patriot.net [209.249.180.197]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18552; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37BD57BB.BC99B99C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:27:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: knapik@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, davelenard@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley-D/Ford Alliance References: <852567D3.00452DC6.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice, but I'm a die-hard Mopar fan. I'll stick to my Dodges. Bill `89 Dakota 4WD - 3.5 tow axle. Beach runner... `90 Ram van - 3.5 tow axle and a BFE (Big F-----g Engine). Highway cruiser... knapik@XXXXXX wrote: > There's an interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald about the > Australian reaction to the new "Harley inspired" F150. http://www.drive.com.au/ > Any opinions on a rainey Friday? > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:46:34 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01732 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:45:27 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:45:06 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dynaryder@XXXXXX Subject: Re:The New Victory Sport Cruiser -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I like Victory's(don't call 'em Polaris or they'll get pissy) idea of a good-handling cruiser. I think the good press it received may have helped Harley's decision to build the FXDX. Nope--you're forgetting about the Low Rider Sport Edition, which predates the Vic by at least 10 years. A really sweet ride, the press loved it, but of course it didn't sell, since the "typical" H-D customer wants the bike "slammed" (check out all the lowered Softails out there). Maybe they'll start upgrading the suspension on their other bikes as well. Sportster 1200 Sport. Again, the worst-selling of the three 1200 models. Best seller is the "Custom" with that stupid 21-inch front wheel. Now,if only could build an American sportbike that held together.... Right! Go Eller! H-D's throwing all their dough into increasing production. Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 09:59:28 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01894 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:58:46 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:58:40 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:58:06 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, knapik@XXXXXX Cc: davelenard@XXXXXX Subject: Harley-D/Ford Alliance -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline There's an interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald about the Australian reaction to the new "Harley inspired" F150. http://www.drive.com.au/ Any opinions on a rainey Friday? Yup--YAWN. Seriously, I think they're giving the thing away in a Visa HarleyCard promotion. Not that I wouldn't want it, you could probably sell it for enough that you could buy a real truck (4x4) and a new bike with the money. Joe Very Rusty '87 F-150 4x4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 10:04:00 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01991 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990820140126.14389.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:01:26 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley-D/Ford Alliance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > Nice, but I'm a die-hard Mopar fan. I'll stick to my > Dodges. > > Bill > `89 Dakota 4WD - 3.5 tow axle. Beach runner... > `90 Ram van - 3.5 tow axle and a BFE (Big F-----g > Engine). Highway cruiser... Well, I haven't liked the F-150's since the last redesign... and my little Ranger is more practical for me anyway... and the Harley mystique does nothing for me... === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 10:25:45 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02337 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:24:54 -0400 Message-Id: <201908191024.AA120979950@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/19/99 X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:48:25 EDT > Just wanted to say done that route many times, and the last time we >did it (last month) and found a flasihng light bar surprise gift just >past Petersburg, or better, just before the caverns. Thanks for the tip. Duly noted. Anybody got a radar detector and want to run up front? :) > but still, my buddy got a nice trophy. Keep it slower in there for > budgeting purposes! We won't be setting any land speed records, that's for sure, but I'll be extra careful. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 12:13:26 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04315 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10954 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Cooling vest Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII www.coolsport.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 13:07:13 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05232 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vRLDa07549 (4409); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ab4e62f.24eee4f2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:05:54 EDT Subject: christmas virus (off topic) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Computer Virus To Strike on Christmas Day Carries 'Destructive Payload' Comparable to Chernobyl Virus Reuters PALO ALTO, Calif. (Aug. 19) - A potentially highly destructive computer virus set to hit Christmas Day has been found, but so far it has not spread widely, virus experts said. Closely held Central Command and Kaspersky Lab said the virus, which carries the same destructive payload as the Chernobyl virus, could infect PCs running Microsoft Corp.'s Windows 95, 98 and NT operating systems. Named Win32.Kriz.3862, the Grinch-like virus could cause a significant loss of data from a PC's hard disk drive and might make it impossible to start up or re-boot the computer, said Network Associates Inc. , one of the largest makers of anti-virus software. The virus' payload would attempt to erase a computer's CMOS memory information, including date and time functions. It would try to erase data on the hard drive and would undermine the PC's BIOS, or basic input output system, the basic software that lets a computer boot up. Medina, Ohio-based Central Command said it has updated its AntiViral Toolkit Pro anti-virus software products to detect and remove the virus. Santa Clara, Calif.-based Network Associates said it, too, has updated its software to protect against the virus. Network Associates has assigned a ``medium risk'' assessment on the Win32.Kriz.3862 virus, because of its ``destructive payload but low prevalence in the wild.'' The Chernobyl virus damaged hundreds of thousands of computers in Asia when it struck earlier this year. That was far more dangerous than the Melissa virus, which automatically prompted e-mail software to mail copies of the virus to people in the user's address book. It had the effect of clogging up e-mail computer servers across the United States. 14:26 08-19-99 Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 18:53:24 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11681 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (209-122-220-177.s431.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.220.177]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA05854 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006b01beeb5e$251467a0$b1dc7ad1@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Rides this weekend? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:48:38 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Any rides scheduled this weekend? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 19:44:19 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12519 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zIDGa03769 (4262); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c3c426b.24ef422c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:43:40 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Lit 101 To: dynaryder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/20/1999 1:31:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dynaryder@XXXXXX writes: << For everyone,the Guggenheim's(sp?) Art of the Motorcycle book is the ultimate coffee-table book. The BuellBoy Emeritus. >> Agreed. I have that particular book weighing down my table. If I ever decide to kill someone, I know what I'll use. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 22:14:56 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14802 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990821021522.12936.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:15:22 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: DC-Cycles Racing web page updates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all... since the season is nearly over, I thought it time to do at least a little updating of the DDC racing website.... Updated our sponsor info (to the best of my knowledge..help me out guys if I left some important ones out), and probably of more interest to ya'll I uploaded a bunch of pictures, including a series of my highside in Ohio last weekend. (the avi will be there soon) for the other guys on the team, we gotta get some more pics of ya'll next time we're out...I only had one of BR, a couple of BM, and none scanned of Jeff or Jay :( (Jeff, I have a hard copy of one of yours around here somewhere...need a profile to add too...) My race reports will be added soon and with that will come some other reorganization...race reports from others????? when they do em and either upload them or send them to me! Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 20 22:16:46 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14879 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990821021641.11810.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:16:41 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: url, duh!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, it is in the sig file but.... the url to DC-Cycles Racing is: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ enjoy Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 21 04:24:12 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA24328 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20862 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 08:23:04 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 08:23:04 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA04681; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:20:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:20:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199908210820.EAA04681@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:The New Victory Sport Cruiser On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:04:22 -0400 knapik@XXXXXX wrote: >Gil Nissley replied > >> Get a Harley Visa card. :-) >Oh, I've got one Gil, when do I get the bike??? ;-) Patience,grasshoppa. First you must build up Karma. Only after you have mastered riding a disintigrating motorcycle will you be worthy. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 21 11:01:09 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00459 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.84] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD9E39B0116; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37BEBF40.21F3066C@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:01:20 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rides this weekend? References: <006b01beeb5e$251467a0$b1dc7ad1@rdt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy asked: > > Any rides scheduled this weekend? Roy, Tracy and I are taking a ride out to Seneca Rocks on Sunday. Anyone who wants to come along is welcomed, but we will be going at a more relaxed pace. Here's the info from a previous posting: > Subject: > Seneca Rocks ride on Sunday! > Date: > Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:55:50 -0400 > > Friends, > > Tracy and I are going to be riding out to Seneca Rocks, WV on > Sunday, 8/22. You all are cordially invited to ride with us. > > We will be eating breakfast at the Old Country Buffet Restaurant > on Rt. 234 in Manassas, VA at 8:00 am. We hope to leave the > parking lot between 9:15-9:30am, so be gassed up and ready to roll. > For some of the newer e-faces on DC-Cycles, this is a wonderful > opportunity to come out and meet some of us lunatics in person. :) > > If you haven't made the trip out to Seneca Rocks yet, it is a > wonderful ride, one of my favorites in the area. The route is easy - > essentially Rte 55 West the whole way, Rte 33 back. It's curvy, it's scenic, > it's impossible to get lost. (Uh oh, I've cursed us now!) :) It's also about > a 300 mile (?) round-trip (yes, there is gas available for you tiny-tankers out > there). We'll probably stop (as usual) for a late lunch at the Front Porch > Restaurant in Seneca Rocks. Nice greasy spoon-kinda place. Other breaks as > butts and bladders dictate. > > This ride will be CB-radio friendly - both Tracy and I are wired for > sound! Ride along and chat with us! :) > > I'll try to draft up some route-sheets through Street Atlas and have > them on hand for everyone. We'll be setting a nice comfortably > moderate (i.e. not racer fast) pace. Someone else can offer to lead a > fast group, if you wish. This ride might be kind of long for a newbie > rider, but manageable otherwise. > > See you Sunday, maybe, > > Dale > > > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 21 13:29:26 1999 Return-Path: pgerhardt@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f238.hotmail.com [207.82.251.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03355 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23403 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 1999 17:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990821172852.23402.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.76.254.215 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:28:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.76.254.215] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Seneca Rocks ride on Sunday! Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:28:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dale AKA "Horkster" Sunday ride to WVA sounds interesting for me. Maybe will fire the the 86 Concours! Is RT 234 and Old Country Buffett right off the RT 66 exit? Will be watching the WX. Paul Gerhardt 86 Concours 96 FZR 600 COG 1594 AMA Centreville, MD on the E. Shore _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 21 13:30:42 1999 Return-Path: coolshane@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03440 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hopkinsbr.navsea.navy.mil ([12.68.67.62]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990821173025.WKKS24199@XXXXXX> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:30:25 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Bret Hopkins" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: ST 1100 Drive Shaft Maintenance Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:22:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000501beebf9$b062c680$3e43440c@hopkinsbr.navsea.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 October is almost here. That is the month I put new tires (MEZ4's) on and change the oil (Mobil 1 15W-50, for the 2nd time of the year). While I am changing the rear wheel, I want to take the opportunity to do drive shaft maintenance. I have 96 ST 1100 with 36K miles on the clock. I have a Honda shop manual and am a reasonably competent mechanic (not by training, but by necessity). I have not done any drive shaft maintenance and have been reading that I am about ready based on mileage. When I change the rear wheel I grease everything in the final drive hub real well. I think I need to pull the final drive off and grease the shaft spline. Performing that seems reasonably straight forward unless anyone knows of any hidden dangers. However, I am sure there is a shaft spline and universal joint on the forward end of the drive shaft that mates up to the output of the transmission that need some attention as well. Are they easily accessible and do I even need to perform that service (grease)? If the answers are yes, could someone provide some helpful information before I go stumbling along into this real cold. Since this is my primary mode of transportation, I do not want to screw it up. Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of spin balancing the Fast Lane Cycles performs? My routine for changing tires is to mail order the rubber, remove the wheels from the bike, and bring the wheels and new tires to the shop to have them installed and spin balanced. I have usually gone to Coleman Power Sport in Falls Church and they have done a reasonable job for $25 per wheel (except the time they put both tires on backwards, which I caught when they handed me my wheels back). I would prefer to go with Fast Lane, but I like to stick with a known quantity if reasonably satisfied; any opinions? Thank you. Bret From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 21 14:22:19 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04235 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.236] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id ACC43820108; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:21:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37BEEE65.ABFACDDE@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:22:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Gerhardt CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Seneca Rocks ride on Sunday! References: <19990821172852.23402.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Gerhardt wrote: > Maybe will fire the the 86 Concours! Paul, Sounds great to me! We like Connies! :) > Is RT 234 and Old Country Buffett right off the RT 66 exit? Yes, Rt 234 is Sudley Road. Off I-66, Exit 47B (I think), about 2 miles down on your left. Hope to see you there! Old Country Buffet 8121 Sudley Road, Manassas (703) 368-9380 Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 22 00:03:23 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13517 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990822040535.7504.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:05:35 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fast Lane and tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bret, Fast Lane uses a spin balancer, so it's pretty darn hard to screw up... And any of the guys there can handle a tire change... probably while you wait, but you may give them a call before you go there jsut to make sure they have time to do it that particular day before you drive there... Also, you might give them a call on tire prices.. they usually don't make much margin on tires. Rick sells them reasonably priced knowing he won't make a lot of money on them, but just might bring your other business to him... Mention me or Dave Cross (also on the list) and it may help a bit... or may not ;-) ya never know... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 22 10:21:14 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24446 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix.com (pool-209-138-40-156.bltm.grid.net [209.138.40.156]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12403 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908221421.KAA12403@smtp5.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: unknown X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hello! and lots of questions... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:26:19 -0400 From: Mark Hello! Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man who wants a wealth of motorcycles. You don't have to guess my name--Mark Bergman. My wife and I are in the process of moving to the Northern VA region. I've been riding for about 14 years, most recently on a Yamaha GTS (blue, usually has the really fat grey Krauser bags, NY license plate, tinted windsheild). Prior to that I had a lemon of an R1100RS. We're just getting used to the VA/D.C. area after a year outside the US, and we're from NYC prior to that. After having done an extended Euro-tour before returning to the US, I'm suffering from hairpin-turn withdrawal. I'm interested in going on any local weekend rides that can help me with this problem. Any suggestions for a good Yamaha shop? Any CLASS or Keith Code-like [non-racing] riding schools in the area (I checked the Summit Pt. schedule and didn't see anything)? My wife is working in Fredericksburg, and I'll be in Reston or a bit further west. Right now we're staying in F'burg. We're searching for someplace to live that will give us both an semi-almost-bearable commute. We'd welcome any advice at all on housing/commuting routes/neighborhoods. We're looking for rental houses or townhomes in the area north of 234, south of the Fairfax County Parkway, east of Manassas, and into Alexandria. We've both heard that my wife shouldn't have any trouble commuting against traffic (southbound), but I have no idea what traffic I'll see. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Unix mechanic, Rock Climber, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 22 12:25:29 1999 Return-Path: desc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27089 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from descmindspring.com (user-2ivehcm.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.69.150]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA32431 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005601bef304$d26b03c0$9645f7a5@com> Reply-To: "Ryan Matteson" From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Bikes Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:29:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01BEF2E3.4AC253E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BEF2E3.4AC253E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I curious if anyone has seen any TLS 1000's for sale around the = area?? 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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BEF2E3.4AC253E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 22 12:40:16 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27357 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user185.anent.com [208.195.115.185]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA00114; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: <00e401beecbd$18b2d5e0$b973c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Ryan Matteson" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <005601bef304$d26b03c0$9645f7a5@com> Subject: Re: Bikes Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:40:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think there's one in today's Washington Post. Go to: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/classifieds/rvs/front.htm and do a motorcycle search. Never mind, here it is: SUZUKI--'97 Sport Bike TL1000. 5k mi, excel cond. Very hot, very fast. $6700/obo. Call 410-528-1007 There's also a TL-R. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Matteson To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 12:29 PM Subject: Bikes Hello, I curious if anyone has seen any TLS 1000's for sale around the area?? My friend is looking for one and is moving here in about 2 weeks. He wanted me to put out a post and see if anyone had one. Let me know. Take care, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 22 15:18:30 1999 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29995 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnstonc.itn.prc.com (user186.anent.com [208.195.115.186]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA00076 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:13:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37C04E77.5401@anent.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:24:39 -0400 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike for Sale.... References: <005601bef304$d26b03c0$9645f7a5@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 96 Katana 600 3,800 miles Teal colored $4,000 This is owned by someone I know, I have never seen it nor do I know anything about it. If you are interested , have any queations about it Call 703-421-0727 Ask for James I am just trying to help him out.. Do not email me.... Thanks, Craig From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 22 20:23:19 1999 Return-Path: coolshane@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05044 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hopkinsbr.navsea.navy.mil ([12.68.64.71]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990823002113.FZSU15925@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:21:13 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Bret Hopkins" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Fast Lane and tires Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:14:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000701beecfc$7aa4ffa0$4740440c@hopkinsbr.navsea.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fast Lane and tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Collin, Thanks for the information on tires. I will be calling Rick in the next week or so after an extended travel schedule. He has gotten my business on more than a few occasions, the biggest job being an exhaust valve replacement on my '83 V-45 Magna after I burned it heading down I-395. To date I have nothing but good things to say about his operation. Since you offered, I will drop your name; thank you. Did I see you race in June at Summit Point? How about some information on those shaft spline for my '96 ST 1100? Bret From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 22 20:23:34 1999 Return-Path: coolshane@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05046 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hopkinsbr.navsea.navy.mil ([12.68.64.71]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990823002136.FZXG15925@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:21:36 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Bret Hopkins" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Fast Lane and tires Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:14:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000801beecfc$884b42e0$4740440c@hopkinsbr.navsea.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fast Lane and tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Collin, Thanks for the information on tires. I will be calling Rick in the next week or so after an extended travel schedule. He has gotten my business on more than a few occasions, the biggest job being an exhaust valve replacement on my '83 V-45 Magna after I burned it heading down I-395. To date I have nothing but good things to say about his operation. Since you offered, I will drop your name; thank you. Did I see you race in June at Summit Point? How about some information on those shaft spline for my '96 ST 1100? Bret From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 08:44:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01374 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A21813D01C4; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:44:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990823075148.00c74550@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:55:01 -0400 To: , "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: ST 1100 Drive Shaft Maintenance In-Reply-To: <000501beebf9$b062c680$3e43440c@hopkinsbr.navsea.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:22 PM 8/21/99 , Bret Hopkins wrote: >I have 96 ST 1100 with 36K miles on the clock. I have a Honda shop manual >and am a reasonably competent mechanic (not by training, but by necessity). > >I have not done any drive shaft maintenance and have been reading that I am >about ready based on mileage. I don't know myself, though I understand that the rear drive splines (that mat the final drive to the wheel) are the weak point. Motorcycle Consumer News had a letter or tech letter about that - recommending a lube every tire change, and replacing the 3 o-rings that hold the lube in and keep the dirt out. I'm sure the ST1100 list could help out - send mail to "majordomo@XXXXXX" in the body of the mail message put "subscribe st1100 your@XXXXXX" substituting your e-mail address(ie. joe@XXXXXX) for your@XXXXXX, and don't use the quotes. best, Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 09:31:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02211 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA23136; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:30:04 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019765; Mon, 23 Aug 99 09:25:29 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGX00HA46R7W4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D6.00499E20 ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:24:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:23:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello! and lots of questions... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D6.00499446.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mark, Welcome! We look forward to hearing from you more. For twisty rides, most of us seem to gravitate toward the west. The roads around Purcellville, Front Royal and Leesburg should quench your thirst for excitement. Check out xxx for a map of the roads in that area. No route numbers here, unfortunately, but it should give you a good idea of what's out there. Keep your eyes open on the list for group rides on the weekends. Even if you don't particularly like group riding, it will give you a good tour of some twisties that you can explore later by yourself. As for riding schools, the only options locally are the MSF Experienced Rider Course and track days at Summit Point. Loudon Motorsports is sponsoring a track day on the Tuesday after Memorial Day if you're interested. I think they'll be doing some instruction if you want it. Pocono Raceway in Pennsylvania is probably the closest place to do CLASS-style courses, but I suspect that any of these courses will be booked up already. As for a Yamaha shop, the most important thing to tell you is to avoid Coleman Powersports like the plague. They are a ripoff joint extraordinaire. Some people have had good experiences with Cycle Sport in Herndon or Alexandria, as well as Crossroads Cycle (a hole-in-a-wall shop) in Alexandria. Manassas Honda and Loudon Motorsports have good reputations generally, but they mostly work on Hondas. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 Honda VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 10:45:02 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03505 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:26:13 -0400 Message-Id: <201908191026.AA1376654@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" , "Tracy (Work)" , CC: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Chris Bay" , "Richard (work)" , , Subject: Re: Seneca Rocks ride on Sunday! X-Mailer: Well, it turned out to be a good day for a ride. Didn't start out that way. Tracy and I left the house in a pea-soup fog that cloaked us all the way to Manassas. On the way, I was quietly regarding the silver moon that I could somehow faintly see through the thick fog. Tracy comes over the CB, "Check out the Sun, you can barely see it!" Uhh, I slowly realized, that wasn't the moon I was looking at. Sheesh. Had a nice breakfast at OCB. Hooked up with fellow COGger and Connie rider Chris Bay, with his wife and daughter in tow. His daughter Amber would ride pillion the whole day without fuss. What a trooper. Bill Huson rumbled up on his Harley to say 'Hi'! He wouldn't be riding with us today, had a honey-do list about a mile long. It was good to see Bill, especially now that bike and rider were fully recovered from that BDC incident on a NOVA night ride last year. Glad you are still with us, Bill! Mike Jordan showed up on his big Suzuki GSX1100G about the same time. Sorry Mike, I didn't realize you had to buy the whole buffet at OCB to get a stinking cup of coffee. Maybe we'll pick another starting point next time. Mike's boss/co-worker (Jim? sorry, couldn't remember) on his Suzuki VX-800 caught us in the parking lot shortly before we left. Mike was giving him directions over the cell phone. Turns out they were to get paged numerous times throughout the day from work. Next time we'll try to get out of paging range sooner! :) On they way out of Manassas, we hooked up with another DC-Cycles rider, John Mullins (?) on a Kawi EX500. John rode with us until the first potty stop, about 75 miles into the ride, before he had to turn around. John, the twisties started shortly after you left us! Hope you still had a good time. The rest of the ride was nice and uneventful. Weather was great, it hinted at rain but never shed a drop, the cloud cover kept us nice and cool, the roads were in pretty good shape, traffic was only moderately irritating. Lunch was remembered better for the conversation and the view than the food, I think, The CBs worked well for shepherding everyone around. I loved having Tracy back there grabbing lanes for me when I asked and generally letting me know what was going on. We had a few problems understanding each other at speed, but I'm hoping that gets better when I re-install my windshield later this Fall. Yep, it turned out to be a good day for a ride. I can't wait to do it again sometime. Regards, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 10:55:17 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03704 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA19626 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990823105307.007fe6c0@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:53:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: FS: Givi luggage + rack from a new list member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:23 AM 8/23/99 -0400, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >As for a Yamaha shop, the most important thing to tell you is to avoid >Coleman Powersports like the plague. They are a ripoff joint >extraordinaire. Some people have had good experiences with Cycle Sport in >Herndon or Alexandria, as well as Crossroads Cycle (a hole-in-a-wall shop) >in Alexandria. Manassas Honda and Loudon Motorsports have good reputations >generally, but they mostly work on Hondas. The one thing I do like about Coleman Powersports is their inventory; it's a great place to shop. As for Loudon Motorsports in Leesburg; yes, Honda is their thing. But then, for this '97 VFR owner; it's a wonderful place! Residing in Maryland, I couldn't suggest any good shops in the VA area. I mainly deal with Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg and the Motorcycle Shop in College Park (both in MD). Now, as a new list member myself; I'd like to say Hi! I've been riding since '85; which means ever since my parents accepted a motorcycle in the family (age 19). First 12 years were aboard a '84 Gpz-550 which I sold last year for the purchase of a '97 VFR. Though I don't have the "iron-butt" which most of you may possess; the "new" bike is approaching 10k already. I ride in all temps and most conditions (except electrical or ice/snow storms). I'm trying to add a hardcase luggage system to it so riding the bike, which is mostly commuting the ~20miles, doesn't become an inconvience when needing to run errands. And with the added storage space, I hope to join some weekend jaunts next year. FS: As the subject line suggests; I have a slightly used Givi 50 ltr. Maxia case and Wingrack 2 (minus the necessary bike-specific mounting hardware) for sale. Yes, in trying out the set; I decided it doesn't sit atop the VFR tail per my liking. And I'm trying to avoid the shop's restock fee. If anyone is interested, I'd part with the set for $280 (some flexibility). Though the Wingrack was installed; I have purchased new (unused) fasteners for the rack. There are no scratches on either the rack or the case. And they are now being stored in the original Givi boxes in my garage. FS: I also have an HJC half-helmet for $50. It was used once by my wife who disliked the "wind effects" at speed. I still have the neck liner and "sock" for it. I can be reached via email or at 301 286 5389. I work in Greenbelt MD and reside in Montgomery Cty. I am willing to ship the FS items if needed; or meet someplace convienent. Hope to see you soon. Regards, Bob '97 VFR HRCA #934354 USCF #0148806 (for you bicycle enthusiasts) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 11:05:06 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03962 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id LAA25417; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id LAA16615; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5651@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" To: "'dcc'" , "'ghowell@XXXXXX'" Subject: What is an Enfield (Part II) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:03:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone is interested in Enfields, the Enfield Bullet Owners Club will have a display of some sort this Saturday (8/28/99) at Summit Point. I've been told that there could be as many as 10 Bullets there, if everyone who *says* they're riding actually does so. Marty-the-importer will be there as well, so y'all can quiz him about why the address on the website is somewhere in Minnesota. ;) Stop by the stand and say "hey," if you're out there. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 11:05:47 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com ([198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03988 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA04152 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:05:02 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:05:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Givi luggage + rack from a new list member Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:05:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Though I don't have the "iron-butt" which most of you may possess You're riding the thing - that's what counts Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 11:18:58 1999 Return-Path: mullins_john@XXXXXX Received: from mclean-mail.usae.bah.com (mclean-mail.usae.bah.com [156.80.5.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04204 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bah.com ([156.80.170.53]) by mclean-mail.usae.bah.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4B2E; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:15:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37C16433.5D7C0A8B@bah.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:09:39 -0400 From: "Mullins John" Organization: BAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Seneca Rocks ride on Sunday! References: <201908191026.AA1376654@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale, Sorry, I missed the twisties. It was still a good ride even though I missed most of it. Next time I'll go the distance. Thanks for organizing the ride. I hope we do another one soon. John Mullins 95 Kawi EX500 (Ninja) Horkster wrote: > On they way out of Manassas, we hooked up with another DC-Cycles rider, > John Mullins (?) on a Kawi EX500. John rode with us until the first > potty stop, about 75 miles into the ride, before he had to turn around. > John, the twisties started shortly after you left us! Hope you still > had a good time. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 11:24:29 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04317 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:05:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199908231105.AA3277302@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: Iron Butt??? Hah! X-Mailer: >Though I don't have the "iron-butt" which most of you may possess I don't have one either. My butt gets sore after the first 40 miles or so. The key is to not let it stop you. :) Horkster SS1000 BB1500 SS2000 - pending, paperwork still collecting dust at home -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 11:43:59 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04694 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23934 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990823114152.00816100@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:41:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Re: FS: Givi luggage + rack from a new list member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:30 AM 8/23/99 -0700, Nomad wrote: >Robert, >What size/color in the helmet? >Herb Oops, sorry all. The helmet descibed in my earlier message is of the Small, Black variety. Regards, Bob '97 VFR HRCA #934354 USCF #0148806 (for you bicycle enthusiasts) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 13:53:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07147 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16825 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21546 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08197 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:52:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990823135205.016beba0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:52:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Funny pic from the VFR list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~bgfinlay/biking/police.jpg Ouch! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 14:14:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07589 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17004 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22152 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990823181512.13945.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.118] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:15:12 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:15:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Funny pic from the VFR list To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is it just me.. or does that pic look staged, or that camera man had good timing? Or the cop refused to get off the bike? which seems dumb. and what kind of cop/motorcyclist would do that? The people in the background seem like they've been there a while, the kid isnt' even looking.. --- Troutman wrote: > http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~bgfinlay/biking/police.jpg > > Ouch! > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 14:15:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07668 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17010 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22163 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990823181408.20625.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.118] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:14:08 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: and also To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh btw it is a pretty funny pic though.. probably created to be :) --- Troutman wrote: > http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~bgfinlay/biking/police.jpg > > Ouch! > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 14:25:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07788 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17066 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alcsnmx1.nextel.com (unknown-197-226.nextel.com [167.20.197.226]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22366 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlntgw01.nextel.com (atlntgw01 [168.73.94.142]) by alcsnmx1.nextel.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29974 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ATLNTGW01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E012B7C55@nhqntex01.nextel.com> From: "Rist, Todd" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1990 Kitana needs a home Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:23:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Hey everyone a friend of mine needs to find a new home for one of his project bikes. He has several and needs to make some room in his garage. Here is the info on the one he is looking to sell. 1990 Kitana 1100 Black with 15K miles. Was laid down on the left side and needs front end and left side work. It currently needs more work than the owner can perform. Was very fast and loads of fun to ride. Have some extra fairing plastic, but does not match (drk Blue). Make a reasonable offer. Contact Brian at skynsky@XXXXXX He also has a parted-out 1984 Honda V-65 Magna that he is looking for someone who needs parts. You can talk to him about that one, don't know if he is looking for any money for that one or just someone to haul it away. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 14:40:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08248 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17183 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22846 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08302 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:40:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990823143823.016cc430@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:39:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 1990 Kitana needs a home In-Reply-To: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E012B7C55@nhqntex01.nextel. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:23 PM 8/23/99 , Rist, Todd wrote: >1990 Kitana 1100 Black with 15K miles. > >Was laid down on the left side and needs front end and left side work. It >currently needs more work than the owner can perform. Was very fast and >loads of fun to ride. Have some extra fairing plastic, but does not match >(drk Blue). > >Make a reasonable offer. What would a badly damaged kan-of-tuna go for these days? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 15:01:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08792 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17317 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23619 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id OAA16138 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990823150255.00a54b00@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:03:38 -0400 To: dc-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: riding this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Is anyone riding this weekend??? My bike's supposed to be out of the shop today, and I've been off it for way too long. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 15:23:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09154 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17487 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24053 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFAC13401EE; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:23:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990823151102.00be6140@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:11:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Funny pic from the VFR list In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990823135205.016beba0@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:52 PM 8/23/99 , Troutman wrote: >http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~bgfinlay/biking/police.jpg > >Ouch! Gee that's funny, I could have sworn that ST1100 owners have told me those bikes are so great they can walk on water! :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 15:26:21 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09167 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: riding this weekend - WERA @ Summit.. Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:20:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Well, I'll be riding... just not on the street - yet another Race weekend is upon us - and I feel the need for speed. All listers are invited to come on up and watch Collin, Jay, Joe, Brian, Jeff and myself ride round the 2 mile, 10 turn road-course... Maybe we can get Collin to do some victory wheelies for picture opps... :) Anyway.. any questions about the weekend, track, event.. just ask.. :) Brian McCoy - #574 nov. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 16:00:27 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09987 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA06463; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:00:55 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005572; Mon, 23 Aug 99 16:00:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGX0017ZP0V45@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D6.006DBE5E ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:58:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:58:20 -0400 Subject: Air Show Pics - Moto Content To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D6.006DB504.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have some photos of the WWII-era military motorcycles from the Air Show, if anyone's interested. I tried uploading them to the dc-cycles FTP site, but was unsuccessful. If anyone wants to see them, drop me an email. I have pics of a US Army Harley (I think) and a couple of German Army BMWs. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 16:40:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10604 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA12526 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17763 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25758 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FGX00EKWP59GV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:05:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA11393; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:04:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990823200532.DJEC22082@toddnt>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:05:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:03:28 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: and also In-reply-to: <19990823181408.20625.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001301beeda2$90bb9550$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I don't believe this was fabricated. The officer appears to be attempting to stay concrete-free, and the people standing around can be explained if you believe the incident had already occured well in advance of the photographer showing up. Don't assume that the concrete is any deeper than the front fender. And lastly, that really is the queens police ST1100 (PanEuropean). I think it's real. > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel aka ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 2:14 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: and also > > > Oh btw it is a pretty funny pic though.. probably created to be :) > > --- Troutman wrote: > > http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~bgfinlay/biking/police.jpg > > > > Ouch! > > ___________________________________________ > > > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 16:56:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10973 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18461 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27002 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FGX00BH8RG9Y6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:55:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA20443; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:51:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990823205455.EFZE22082@toddnt>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:54:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:52:50 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Funny pic from the VFR list In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990823151102.00be6140@mail.toward.com> To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501beeda9$76ace1d0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > At 01:52 PM 8/23/99 , Troutman wrote: > >http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~bgfinlay/biking/police.jpg > > > >Ouch! > > > Gee that's funny, I could have sworn that ST1100 owners have told > me those > bikes are so great they can walk on water! > > :-) > Chris Norloff > If you recall my accounting of an attempted spill-way crossing last year, you will recall that not only can ST1100s NOT walk on water, they can't even get through a piddle of a half-inch without violently slamming to the ground :) And God forbid there is an F3 following closely...Wham! However, in other efforts to prove the ST1100 is the next best thing to Jesus Christ, I did successfully ford two back-woods streams that where at least six inches deep at some point. Hallelujah! Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 17:01:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11185 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18547 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27143 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4ZEWa01987 (4332); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e043176.24f3108f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:01:03 EDT Subject: Re: Funny pic from the VFR list To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/23/1999 3:29:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << >http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~bgfinlay/biking/police.jpg > >Ouch! Gee that's funny, I could have sworn that ST1100 owners have told me those bikes are so great they can walk on water! :-) Chris Norloff >> Yeah, too bad it was concrete. He might have made it if it was water. hehe Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 23:40:13 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA18368 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990824034232.4697.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:42:32 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Riding this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aww c'mon Brian.. we all know damn well thatt I cannot seem to get the gixer's front wheel up in the air!!! The victory part I can handle though... Maybe I should bring Pepe (clapped out 80 something yamaha maxim with shaft drive and hard bags) to do the victory wheelies... I can get it up and keep it there very well on it!! :) Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 23 23:50:17 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA18607 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990824035241.5836.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:52:41 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Fast Lane and Tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bret, If you went to the WERA event back in June, then yep, you saw me racing.... in fact, that particular weekend was very good to me. I had just gotten my GSXR put back together from my april crash and I won all three races that Sunday!! woohoo... Hopefully it will stay DRY this weekend and I can do a threepeat, since I need it to boost me into 1st in F1 and lock in 2nd or 3rd in the other two... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 00:11:05 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18865 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-15.s15.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.15]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA23617 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01a901beede6$b1ce4960$0f6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Pocono's this weekend Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:11:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The Pocono Formula USA races are almost upon us. If any of you still plan on going and want to ride up together please e-mail me or call me. (540) 349-9992. I still plan to leave Friday, hopefully before noon. It should be a great weekend. Also, good luck to all dc-cycles racers at Summit this weekend, sorry I will miss it. Danny '99 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 08:07:26 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27762 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:06:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: WERA weekend.. Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:06:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) d'oh... forgot to mention Jonathan Broga and Randy Moran (hey Randy, you out of that cast yet?)... Jon has a well set-up SV650 that he's been putting on the podium the last few times I've seen him race... Maybe he'll pull a first place this time round (it'd be a first, if I recall correctly.. ) :P Ok.. back to avoiding work for myself. :) Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 08:39:18 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28224 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2PKLa13743 (3951) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49726e3d.24f3ec3b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:38:19 EDT Subject: Track Day @ Summit Point...Take 2 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_49726e3d.24f3ec3b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 --part1_49726e3d.24f3ec3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Loudoun Motorsports is having another track day out at Summit Point (the weather essentially ruined the last one back in June). I've posted their info below for anyone who is interested. -matt << Tuesday Sept. 7th Loudoun MotorSports Track Day!!!! Join us the day after Labor Day Monday...... make it an extended weekend!!! We're hosting a non-competitive track day at Summit Point Raceway. Purchase early and save! Buy your tickets in advance for $115 at Loudoun MotorSports or call with credit card #. Tickets will also be available at the gate September 7th for $125. All riders must fill out a rider profile sheet this is availible from the web site at LoudounMotorSports.com print and fax back to us a 703-777-1925. Bike prep info is availible from the web site also. 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=0D ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BEEB25.BDB62220-- --part1_49726e3d.24f3ec3b_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 08:47:00 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28386 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FGY0034BZHDCJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA13305 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990824124624.IQPZ22082@toddnt> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:46:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:44:11 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: ST1100 Racing?? To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <000701beee2e$5d1ab410$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I think I've seen this page before, but was probably stunned into denial. Here it is again: http://percival.xyz.com/racing/ An ST1100 on the racetrak, whoa. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 10:22:32 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00107 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-70-177.s177.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.70.177]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA26995 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801beee1a$835b1f20$0c91fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: WERA weekend.. Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:22:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >d'oh... forgot to mention Jonathan Broga ....Maybe he'll pull a >first place this time round (it'd be a first, if I recall correctly.. ) > Because it was my one and only legitimate 1st place, I have to correct that one point . . . I got a 1st in LW Superbike during the last CCS weekend. I was following a BeeCnU FZR 540 the whole race and simply could not take him. Every time I would show a wheel exiting 9 and 10 he would pull me down the straight and I'd spend the whole 1-8 combination reelin him in, only to get outpowered again. Luckily, he must have been a little over built because he started overheating. I was getting sprayed with overflow from the catch can after lap 6 or so, and then on the last lap, in turn 9, his motor went south (too hot, no power) and I passed him for the win. The difference between 1st and second is phenomenal. Second is sorta okay, but that 1st place was the first time I have ever really had a 1st in anything. Riding the cool down lap and showing my dad the #1 sign was phenomenal. Unfortunately, more and more guys are getting on the SV bandwagon, and my mechanical advantage is going to dissappear. Watch for Steve Clarke this weekend in LW's on his new SV. I'll try to hang with him. Oh well. Fun while it lasted. Anyway, being that it was my one and only win, I couldn't let that small omission slip by. I am, after all, hot sh*t in my own mind. Jonathan Broga CCS#500 WERA#502 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 10:49:52 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00607 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:49:50 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA04346; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:49:56 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029186; Tue, 24 Aug 99 10:43:22 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGZ002QB50HSV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D7.0050B822 ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:41:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:39:22 -0400 Subject: Track-prepping? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D7.0050A010.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL What does it take to track-prep a typical VFR? Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 10:52:17 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00692 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990824145233.10304.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:52:33 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:52:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: ST1100 Racing?? To: Todd Peer , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, that explains it. I always wondered how you made a large sport-touring machine go through the turns so fast. It turns out it's a barely street-legal race bike! Sean Sullivan --- Todd Peer wrote: > > I think I've seen this page before, but was probably > stunned into denial. > Here it is again: > > http://percival.xyz.com/racing/ > > An ST1100 on the racetrak, whoa. > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 11:18:10 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01116 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA22611; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990824111901.007b5580@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:19:01 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: Track-prepping? In-Reply-To: <852567D7.0050A010.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't know, I hope to find out. I have sent in paperwork to hopefully get in to Loudon's track day on Sept. 7th on my VFR. At 10:39 AM 8/24/99 -0400, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >What does it take to track-prep a typical VFR? > >Thanks, > >Mark >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 11:21:28 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01218 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA08756 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA08745 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id LAA20066 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.4.164]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id LAA20051 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990824111922.01281c50@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:19:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: Track Day @ Summit Point...Take 2 In-Reply-To: <49726e3d.24f3ec3b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hello all, Loudoun Motorsports is having another track day out at Summit >Point Hey, to any who are planning on attending: If you plan to trailer your bike up there, live in / near MD, and have room for another bike / passenger, I'd very much like to talk with you! :-) I can't offer a whole lot of money for compensation, but maybe lunch and a six-pack of you favorite beverage... If I can't get a ride, I'll be up there on my F4 street bike. Hope to see some familiar and new faces. Look for the DC-Cycles T-shirt over my leathers. Brad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 12:03:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01885 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24199 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20930 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id LAA02728; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990824114411.00a3c820@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:47:29 -0400 To: Lisa Goddard From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Track-prepping? Cc: dc-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990824111901.007b5580@kivex.com> References: <852567D7.0050A010.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For a track day? I would guess the same things you'd do to any other bike. While this is somewhat dependent on the track you're going to, you can probably count on the following: 1)tape over or remove all headlights, tail lights, etc. 2)safety wire the oil drain plug 3)remove kickstands/centerstands 4)drain the coolant and replace with water (water wetter is allowed most places) 5)have tires on the bike that are in good shape This is a minimum, but I believe it will cover you for track day. Personally, I like to safety wire everything when I'm gonna be on the track... axle bolts, pinch bolts, cam chain tensioner, brake rotors, etc. etc. At 11:19 AM 8/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >I don't know, I hope to find out. I have sent in paperwork to hopefully >get in to Loudon's track day on Sept. 7th on my VFR. > > > > > > >At 10:39 AM 8/24/99 -0400, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > >What does it take to track-prep a typical VFR? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Mark > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > >computer. > > > > > > > > >Lisa Goddard >Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 12:28:38 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02293 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:27:37 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:27:34 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:26:52 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Subject: Track-prepping? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline 1. Drill and safety-wire your oil drain plug(s), oil fill cap, the radiator cap, and any other fastener with fluid behind it. I've got my brake's banjo bolts wired, but I doubt it's required for a track day. Spin-on oil filter, right? Hose-clamp and wire it. Drain your cooling system and replace the coolant/water mix with straight distilled water or water with Redline Water Wetter. Make sure your tires and brake pads are in good shape. Check the front brake action to make sure there's no air in there. Not sure it's required, but it's a good idea to tape over/remove head&tail lights, remove the turn sigs. If you've got screw-in "hero blobs/feelers" on the underside of the footpegs, lose 'em. 2. Get ready for big scary fun. Joe CCS#606 RD 400 F SABG (Still Afflicted By Gremlins) >>> - 8/24/99 10:39 AM >>> What does it take to track-prep a typical VFR? Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 12:37:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02530 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA351DE024C; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:37:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990824123616.00a3c8e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:38:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [non-MC] Can you access our web site? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, folks. I have a non-motorcycle request - It appears that the guy working on our firewall is locking out some users. If you can, would you try to reach http://www.jil.com and tell me if you were successful or not. If you get an error message, please copy and send it to me. thank you, Chris Norloff chris@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 12:57:21 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02958 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA14940; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990824125515.0081d4e0@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:55:16 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Re: [non-MC] Can you access our web site? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris, I had no problems. Regards, Bob '97 VFR At 12:38 PM 8/24/99 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Hi, folks. I have a non-motorcycle request - > >It appears that the guy working on our firewall is locking out some >users. If you can, would you try to reach http://www.jil.com and tell me >if you were successful or not. If you get an error message, please copy >and send it to me. > >thank you, >Chris Norloff >chris@XXXXXX > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 13:33:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03664 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25175 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23727 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01721 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDHWAC>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:39:50 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D880D@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Track-prepping? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:39:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Grant, >2)safety wire the oil drain plug At the risk of sounding the total "green-horn" lister that I am, what does one do to "safety wire" a bike part? Are any pics available? Still just street, but happy racing. Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 13:46:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03991 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25341 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24234 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id NAA15304; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990824134738.007b5210@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:47:38 -0400 To: Grant Heffernan From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: Track-prepping? Cc: dc-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990824114411.00a3c820@fedsco.sco.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990824111901.007b5580@kivex.com> <852567D7.0050A010.00@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jay and I will be there, I will be on my red VFR, Jay on his Triumph-595. At 11:47 AM 8/24/99 -0400, Grant Heffernan wrote: >For a track day? I would guess the same things you'd do to any other >bike. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 13:51:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04110 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25398 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:51:21 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA24426 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA17475; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:52:26 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa16787; Tue, 24 Aug 99 13:51:03 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGZ00ER1DPTMX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D7.0061EC86 ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:49:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:49:04 -0400 Subject: RE: Track-prepping? To: Michael Jay Cc: dc-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <852567D7.0061E29B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have learned today that saftey wiring the drain plug means drilling a hole through the drain plug, then wiring it to the bike frame. So, if something violent happens, oil doesn't leak out all over the track. Mark To: dc-Cycles Mailing List cc: From: Michael Jay Date: 08/24/99 05:39:49 PM GMT Subject: RE: Track-prepping? Hi Grant, >2)safety wire the oil drain plug At the risk of sounding the total "green-horn" lister that I am, what does one do to "safety wire" a bike part? Are any pics available? Still just street, but happy racing. Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 14:20:54 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04625 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:20:52 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA17434; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:21:27 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016304; Tue, 24 Aug 99 14:20:19 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGZ00LBAF2INU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D7.00649BD7 ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:18:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:16:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Track-prepping? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D7.006490FD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I'll be there too, attempting to keep the VTR from going anywhere without me. =8^o Chris Weaver VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 14:54:46 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05196 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA17418; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:51:49 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015979; Tue, 24 Aug 99 14:48:26 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGZ001K2GD2ZC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D7.0067290E ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:46:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:44:12 -0400 Subject: Knee Slider "Socks"? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D7.00671A76.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Does anyone know where to find those knee sliders that attach to a "sock" that you pull over your leathers? This item is produced for leathers that don't have the fuzzy velcro pre-sewn in. I thought I might get a pair for the track day. I tried calling Dennis Kirk and looking through the MAW website, but turned up nothing. I'm not sure if I'd be getting my knee down, but it might be nice not to scrape up my leathers if I do. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 15:08:14 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05483 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Tue, 24 Aug 99 18:28:38 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa0043j; Tue, 24 Aug 99 18:28:35 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:28:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Track-prepping? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:28:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I think for the Loudon Motorsports (if I remember correctly from my talk wiht them back in March).. you need to replace the coolant with water (Water Wetter or another non-ethelglycol product can be used to keep things cool), you need to drill and saftey-wire the main oil-drain plug. You'll also need to put a hose clamp around your oil filter and wire that as-well... That's about it for the prep.... Oh, err.. you'll need to either remove, or tape over all glass (mirrors, turn signals, brake-light, headlight and most of your instruments). Easy enough to do... if anyone wants help, bring your bike by the DC-Cycles Racing pits this weekend.. someone can probably do most the work in less than 30 minutes.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 15:20:06 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05730 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA21922; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:19:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:19:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Knee Slider "Socks"? In-Reply-To: <852567D7.00671A76.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, Two Words: Duct Tape. - Brian On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know where to find those knee sliders that attach to a "sock" > that you pull over your leathers? This item is produced for leathers that > don't have the fuzzy velcro pre-sewn in. I thought I might get a pair for > the track day. I tried calling Dennis Kirk and looking through the MAW > website, but turned up nothing. I'm not sure if I'd be getting my knee > down, but it might be nice not to scrape up my leathers if I do. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 15:45:30 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06169 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:44:52 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:44:46 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:43:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Knee Slider "Socks"? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Never heard of that thing . . . just slap 'em on with duct tape. It'll give you that early '70s Kenny Roberts look. >>> - 8/24/99 2:44 PM >>> Does anyone know where to find those knee sliders that attach to a "sock" that you pull over your leathers? This item is produced for leathers that don't have the fuzzy velcro pre-sewn in. I thought I might get a pair for the track day. I tried calling Dennis Kirk and looking through the MAW website, but turned up nothing. I'm not sure if I'd be getting my knee down, but it might be nice not to scrape up my leathers if I do. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 16:16:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06741 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26520 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29377 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id QAA28912; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990824161721.00a41320@132.147.168.1> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:19:22 -0400 To: dc-Cycles Mailing List , SV650@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: jetting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well, the bike's back from Cyclesport in Herndon. It cost a bit more than I would've liked, but they cut me a break because I bought the bike there and only charged me for about half the hours they actually but into it. The good news is the thing finally runs to redline without cutting out. Unfortunately, they went through so many jets they're not sure what ended up in the bike, so I can't pass on the info... maybe one of these days I'll open it up again to look, but for now I just want to RIDE the thing! ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 16:30:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07073 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26726 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29731 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA18331; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:32:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199908241932.PAA18331@bmdo.mcri.com> To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:27:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Track-prepping? CC: dc-Cycles Mailing List Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852567D7.0061E29B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) To learn more on the subject of safety wiring please direct your browser to: www.roadracers.com/techshed/howto/SafetyWire.htm This is a safety wire checklist for a fully race-preped machine. -John Newman 88 FZR 400 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date sent: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:49:04 -0400 Subject: RE: Track-prepping? To: Michael Jay Copies to: dc-Cycles Mailing List > I have learned today that saftey wiring the drain plug means drilling a > hole through the drain plug, then wiring it to the bike frame. So, if > something violent happens, oil doesn't leak out all over the track. > > Mark > To: dc-Cycles Mailing List > cc: > From: Michael Jay > Date: 08/24/99 05:39:49 PM GMT > Subject: RE: Track-prepping? > > > > > Hi Grant, > > >2)safety wire the oil drain plug > > At the risk of sounding the total > "green-horn" lister that I am, what > does one do to "safety wire" a bike > part? > > Are any pics available? > > Still just street, but happy racing. > > Mike Jay > 82 XJ750RJ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 16:39:35 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07203 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA04558; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:40:11 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003772; Tue, 24 Aug 99 16:39:10 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FGZ00LL6LH3F1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D7.00714795 ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:37:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:36:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Knee Slider "Socks"? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D7.00713B38.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I think I'll just forget it, though. I don't want to tempt myself to ride over my head, especially on my first time on the track. I ain't no Miguel Duhamel. Chris Weaver ''98 VTR 1000 p.s. I registered for the slow group, so no worries there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 17:13:51 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA07830 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:13:10 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:13:08 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:11:55 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Knee Slider "Socks"? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Good thinking. Scuffed knee sliders are worth valuable poser points, but you'll have plenty of other things to keep you occupied, like: "AAAAAAAAAAAH! This is too hot for Turn One! "Quit looking at the gravel! Quit looking at the gravel!" "When the f%$#@ am I ever gonna get the right f#$@!ing line through the F#$%@ing Carousel?!" Enjoy. Joe >>> - 8/24/99 4:36 PM >>> Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I think I'll just forget it, though. I don't want to tempt myself to ride over my head, especially on my first time on the track. I ain't no Miguel Duhamel. Chris Weaver ''98 VTR 1000 p.s. I registered for the slow group, so no worries there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 17:15:31 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07917 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4ZXKa07545 (4333); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:14:25 EDT Subject: Re: [non-MC] Can you access our web site? To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/24/1999 12:44:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << Hi, folks. I have a non-motorcycle request - It appears that the guy working on our firewall is locking out some users. If you can, would you try to reach http://www.jil.com and tell me if you were successful or not. If you get an error message, please copy and send it to me. thank you, Chris Norloff chris@XXXXXX >> Ooooooooo.........Purty. :-) I got in. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 18:35:15 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09319 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-251.s60.as4.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.251]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00644 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01c101beee80$f1d5d560$fb6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: MC for sale Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:35:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello list, I noticed a lister looking for a TL and another looking for a VFR, Blalock Cycles has a '98(?) TLS and a '96 VFR for sale. They also have a '97 YZF 1k. All appear to be in good shape. I rode the TL and it was sweet as V twins go:). I was the PO of the VFR so I can give more info if it is desired. Danny '99 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 18:49:22 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09526 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2YNBa01404 (4590) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95f6e7c8.24f47b45@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:48:37 EDT Subject: NON-MOTO/web designer needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 for all you html gurus, there's a chance that at some point in the future, one of my very good clients will want me to design a full scale website for them complete with forms and password-accessible client pages (probably working with a database???), etc. At this point I do not know enough about designing websites to do it myself and would be looking to hire someone to do it for me (and possibly teach me along the way). You can see what I DO know at www.fyeye.net (to give you an idea of what you'll be dealing with as far as I'm concerned). This is most likely something you could do at home on your own computer ... I don't know when this will happen, or even for sure IF it will happen, but if it does I'd like to be ready. :D Anyone who might be interested, please forward a resume and some online website samples to me OFF LIST of course :D at marcy@XXXXXX Thanks! Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 24 22:27:41 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13370 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-225-201.s455.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.225.201]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id VAA22358; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:40:29 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 99 22:24:24 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: blue ridge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As I mentioned before, I'm looking at a trip to Atlanta via the blue ridge, and I was curious about gas-I know the BRP has gas at mm 85, 240, and 410. This is pushing the range a but further into reserve than I like(in fact, I've only ever pushed it to 160 or so on my VFR), so I was curious if these are my only options, or it there are exits where gas will be findable on the way down. Thanks, reply to me alone is fine. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/24/99 HSTA/AMA 10:24:24 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 07:01:33 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23854 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Wed, 25 Aug 99 11:01:28 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa002.9; Wed, 25 Aug 99 11:01:23 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:01:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Knee Slider "Socks"? -Reply Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:01:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Wait.. Joe, you have time to talk to yourself? I'm to busy trying to keep my eyes open... Err, welll - you're on an RD400 too though - WFO except for going into 1 and 5.. eh? :) You coming to the track this weekend? Brian > -----Original Message----- > > Good thinking. Scuffed knee sliders are worth valuable poser points, > but you'll have plenty of other things to keep you occupied, like: > > "AAAAAAAAAAAH! This is too hot for Turn One! > "Quit looking at the gravel! Quit looking at the gravel!" > "When the f%$#@ am I ever gonna get the right f#$@!ing line > through the > F#$%@ing Carousel?!" > > Enjoy. > > Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 07:21:25 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24404 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:21:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Track day.. Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:21:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hrm.. thought just entered my mind... would anyone that's going to be at the track day like to try a GP racebike? I can probably get arround to offering up my RS125 if a few people are interested.. I'd just ask that you pitch in a couple dollars to help cover for gas, oil and clutch bits.. :P Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 08:18:46 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25246 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] ([192.168.1.27]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA07185 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:18:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Weekend Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello All- I am new to the list and to the area as well. I have just bought a 1996 CBR 600, for its advantageous ratio of fun to cost (and legendary reliability). I was thinking about pursuing a list of fun roads further, but realized it would be simpler and more enjoyable to just go ride them. Therefore, I am wondering if anyone out there would like to go for a ride this weekend (perhaps Sunday?). Let me know. Good Riding... Ned Suesse PS- I am also interested in peoples experience on the Blue Ridge, my parents live in Asheville and it seems to me that is just too perfect a way home not to take. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ned Suesse GreyPilgrim 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 08:53:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25786 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01946 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA18779 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA27220; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA09334; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:53:08 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE01E41C5B@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ST1100 Racing?? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:52:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Call me crazy, but I *like* that nekkid ST1100! John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 08:56:48 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25807 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-181.patriot.net [209.249.180.181]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04466; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37C3E6E4.72FCA01B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:51:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ned Suesse CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ashville - know the town well, at least many moons ago when Ashville was the closest mecca of civilization to my college. Plan on two days to get there via the Blue Ridge, unless you like twisting the throttle and gambling that those friendly deer won't kiss your headlight. Besides, the scenery is great. If you camp think about tossing a tarp over the bike. Those friendly deer have a nasty habit of munching handgrips and seats. Bill Ned Suesse wrote: > Hello All- > I am new to the list and to the area as well. I have just > bought a 1996 CBR 600, for its advantageous ratio of fun to cost (and > legendary reliability). I was thinking about pursuing a list of fun > roads further, but realized it would be simpler and more enjoyable to > just go ride them. Therefore, I am wondering if anyone out there > would like to go for a ride this weekend (perhaps Sunday?). > > Let me know. > Good Riding... > > Ned Suesse > > PS- I am also interested in peoples experience on the Blue Ridge, my > parents live in Asheville and it seems to me that is just too perfect > a way home not to take. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ned Suesse > GreyPilgrim > 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 09:27:58 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26377 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA09356; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:28:22 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa08423; Wed, 25 Aug 99 09:27:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH0007AQW6R5A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D8.0049CF05 ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:26:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:25:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D8.0049C5B9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL As I recall from a previous discussion on this list, there shouldn't be any problems on the *Blue Ridge Parkway*. However, there are some long stretches without gas on Skyline Drive, if I recall correctly. I've done about half of the length of Skyline on my VTR, though, and if it can make it you certainly can. I only get about 100-120 miles per tank before the red light of doom comes on. Overall, if you stop and fuel up when you're given the opportunity I doubt you'd have a problem. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: Greg Sachs As I mentioned before, I'm looking at a trip to Atlanta via the blue ridge, and I was curious about gas [snip] ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 10:02:55 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26939 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:01:53 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:01:44 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:01:41 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Knee Slider "Socks"? -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> "McCoy, Brian NAB02" - 8/25/99 7:01 AM >>> Wait.. Joe, you have time to talk to yourself? I'm to busy trying to keep my eyes open... They re-rigged some stuff here, so I was testing to make sure my posts weren't going to Pluto . . . sometimes, I send the test to Amy. Err, welll - you're on an RD400 too though - WFO except for going into 1 and 5.. eh? :) Well, don't think I could get thru 1 a whole lot faster, since I'm not real eager to find out what's gonna start grinding after I run out of right footpeg, and I don't mind 5-- but 6, 7, 8 . . . fuggettaboutit--still somewhat lost back there. You coming to the track this weekend? Was hoping to ride up on Sun., but I don't know the full extent of the Duty Roster yet. If I don't see yez, good luck and happy hunting! Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 10:27:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27363 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02508 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20981 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17309 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:27:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990825102613.015abca0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:26:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Bike of the Future? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Bike of the Future? Let me get my checkbook..... ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/futurebike.jpg ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 11:13:36 1999 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28254 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908251513.LAA28254@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike of the Future? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:26:41 EDT." <4.2.0.58.19990825102613.015abca0@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:13:36 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Bike of the Future? Let me get my checkbook..... > >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/futurebike.jpg Topics discussed way too often on dc-cycles list: 20th century: "helmets kill" 21st century: "thongs chafe" -harry From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 11:18:22 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28375 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:18:20 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA28694; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:17:32 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027306; Wed, 25 Aug 99 11:15:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH100372161L4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D8.0053AAF3 ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:13:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:02:18 -0400 Subject: CAF Air Show Motorcycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D8.00539D6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL If anyone's curious, I've set up a photo album with the WWII-era motorcycles from the recent CAF Air Show. It's at the dcareariders Yahoo site at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 12:53:03 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00147 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FH100HJS5FH8G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:50:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA31173; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:45:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990825165004.QVTW8875@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:50:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:47:50 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: blue ridge In-reply-to: To: Greg Sachs , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001001beef19$918b02e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal There are plenty of side rides with Gasoline a short distance away. When are you planning on going? > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Sachs [mailto:gsachs@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of Greg Sachs > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:24 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: blue ridge > > > As I mentioned before, I'm looking at a trip to Atlanta via the blue > ridge, and I was curious about gas-I know the BRP has gas at mm 85, 240, > and 410. This is pushing the range a but further into reserve than I > like(in fact, I've only ever pushed it to 160 or so on my VFR), so I was > curious if these are my only options, or it there are exits where gas > will be findable on the way down. > Thanks, reply to me alone is fine. > greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 8/24/99 HSTA/AMA 10:24:24 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 13:17:00 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00625 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:16:59 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA15949; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:17:03 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa11228; Wed, 25 Aug 99 13:10:47 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH1000DK6HC8U@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D8.005E28F7 ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:08:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:07:48 -0400 Subject: Ebay sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D8.005E1DB2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Nice looking white VFR700 in VIrginia. Does this belong to one of us? Mark http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=149797817 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 13:20:19 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00712 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FH100M876QVYR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:18:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA09319 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:14:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990825171831.RGUV8875@[166.41.251.160]> for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:18:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:16:17 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <001201beef1d$8a95dd80$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Learn all about it. One of, if not the most grueling organized motorcycle event begins this Sunday in Ojai, CA. The 1999 Iron Butt Rally kicks off at 10am Sunday morning, ending back in Ojai, CA after having traversed the four corners of the U.S.A. Some riders will simply finish after 11 days and a minimum of 7,883 miles (quickest path, according to Street Atlas v6.0). Others will be going for the gold and bonus location points which, if prior rallies are any indicator, can be expected to net at least 3,500 miles more. To learn more, go here: http://www.ironbutt.com/ Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 13:58:05 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01306 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:58:02 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA20840; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:58:09 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa16275; Wed, 25 Aug 99 13:51:42 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH1006T38EQ9V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D8.0061FB8B ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:50:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:49:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D8.0061F165.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL These rallies always reminded me of an old joke: "Why are you banging your head against the wall?" "Because it feels so good when I stop!" To each their own, I suppose. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 14:17:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01661 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A31DB96024C; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:17:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990825141410.00bbe440@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:16:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Bike of the Future? In-Reply-To: <199908251513.LAA28254@meretrix.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:13 AM 8/25/99 , Harry Mantakos wrote: >Topics discussed way too often on dc-cycles list: > > 20th century: "helmets kill" > 21st century: "thongs chafe" > >-harry Harry, I'm not sure I can accept the second premise without some proof. To avoid a possible flame war causing well-liked members to leave, please provide as many examples as possible for our review, with photographic proof. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 14:21:28 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01760 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990825182134.26668.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.150] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:21:33 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Ebay sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OH man, that is a nice bike.. That seat cowl is after market I would guess? I wish i was the owner.. can't afford the $2500 so no need to say "for $2500 you can be" heh heh oh and plus I prefer darker colored bikes.. don't really like the white yellow greenies as much.. give me an all blue.. or black and silver or red and black bike :) --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Nice looking white VFR700 in VIrginia. Does this belong to one of > us? > > Mark > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=149797817 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > computer. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 14:26:27 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01783 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FH1001DM9O1A3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:21:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA05577; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:22:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990825182135.SETZ8875@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:21:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:19:21 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! In-reply-to: <852567D8.0061F165.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501beef26$5a1f0290$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yes. It would be hard to understand unless you've done it. I never really understood until I participated in the Capitol 1000 this past June. I DNF'd due to my own carelessness with the rules, but would have finished 5th out of close to 60 riders. 5th place doesn't even get you a trophy and I DNF'd. So I guess it would be even harder to explain why, just days after the rally, I was super-excited to attempt even more lofty riding goals. In this case a coast to coast ride in 50 hours or less. Why? Not possible to explain why. You just have to want it and have the will to finish. I will participate in next years Cap1K and I will NOT screw it up. Furthermore, I WILL place very well. Todd (a head-banger from way back) > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 1:50 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! > > > These rallies always reminded me of an old joke: "Why are you banging your > head against the wall?" "Because it feels so good when I stop!" > > To each their own, I suppose. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 14:27:54 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01867 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:25:58 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C531@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Weekend Ride Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:25:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Speaking of the BRP, have they opened up the section of road that had a bolder the size of a large house fall on it? Glenn >Ashville - know the town well, at least many moons ago when Ashville was >the closest mecca of civilization to my college. Plan on two days to get >there via the Blue Ridge, unless you like twisting the throttle and >gambling that those friendly deer won't kiss your headlight. Besides, the >scenery is great. If you camp think about tossing a tarp over the bike. >Those friendly deer have a nasty habit of munching handgrips and seats. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 14:59:56 1999 Return-Path: mullins_john@XXXXXX Received: from mclean-mail.usae.bah.com (mclean-mail.usae.bah.com [156.80.5.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02490 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bah.com ([156.80.170.53]) by mclean-mail.usae.bah.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA54EB for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:56:37 -0400 Message-ID: <37C43AEB.38CB3975@bah.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:50:19 -0400 From: "Mullins John" Organization: BAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Weekend Ride References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C531@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The bolder is gone and the road is open again. I rode through there on July 4th. The section where the rock slide happened is now the smoothest freshly paved part of the parkway. -John 95 EX500 Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > > Speaking of the BRP, have they opened up the section of road that had a > bolder the size of a large house fall on it? > > Glenn > > >Ashville - know the town well, at least many moons ago when Ashville was > >the closest mecca of civilization to my college. Plan on two days to get > >there via the Blue Ridge, unless you like twisting the throttle and > >gambling that those friendly deer won't kiss your headlight. Besides, the > >scenery is great. If you camp think about tossing a tarp over the bike. > >Those friendly deer have a nasty habit of munching handgrips and seats. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 15:31:46 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw_ext.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03131 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw_ext.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 19:35:10 UT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:29 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Daniel aka ITM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Ebay sale Message-ID: <19990825153253134-1ab6488d@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nope ... that seat cowl is 100 % stock. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Ebay sale Author: itm_2k@XXXXXX (Daniel aka ITM) Date: 08/25/1999 2:21 PM OH man, that is a nice bike.. That seat cowl is after market I would guess? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 15:39:08 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03244 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2FPUa16287 (2719) for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e333f4f.24f5a02e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:38:22 EDT Subject: Racing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 You guys are going about this racing stuff all wrong. You should do like I do. When I get tired of all that shifting and breaking(Who has time anyway) I just lay it down(usually in turn 1). There are many advantages to this approach: 1. You get the best seat in the house. 2. No rude people cutting in front of you. 3. Valet parking compliment of MARRC (no tipping necesary). 4.Think of all the money you're saving on fuel and tires. 5.No waiting in that annoying contingency line. 6.Two nice men in a white p/u truck bring you and your bike back to the pit. 7.If you're lucky enough to take a break at Nelson Ledges you can rest/suffer/expire without being disturbed by such things as corner worrkers or ambulances and they don't wave those aweful colored flags that disract you. Enjoy, Oz Jeff Ozmen 95 Duc 900SP 97 Yam YZF600 97 Duc 748 Coming soon; 91 Yam TZR250R From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 15:58:24 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03622 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [209.122.252.193] (209-122-252-193.s447.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.252.193]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03164 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908252001.QAA03164@smtp2.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:58:51 -0400 Subject: rain From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "dc-cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit WHAT DROUGHT??? No rain gear today, would have been useful. -charles From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 16:01:38 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw_ext.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03729 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw_ext.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 20:05:05 UT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:59 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "MOTO748@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Racing Message-ID: <19990825160253132-1ad1bfcb@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Racing Author: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: 08/25/1999 3:38 PM You guys are going about this racing stuff all wrong. You should do like I do. When I get tired of all that shifting and breaking(Who has time anyway) I just lay it down(usually in turn 1). There are many advantages to this approach: 1. You get the best seat in the house. 2. No rude people cutting in front of you. 3. Valet parking compliment of MARRC (no tipping necesary). 4.Think of all the money you're saving on fuel and tires. 5.No waiting in that annoying contingency line. 6.Two nice men in a white p/u truck bring you and your bike back to the pit. 7.If you're lucky enough to take a break at Nelson Ledges you can rest/suffer/ expire without being disturbed by such things as corner worrkers or ambulances and they don't wave those aweful colored flags that disract you. Enjoy, Oz Jeff Ozmen 95 Duc 900SP 97 Yam YZF600 97 Duc 748 Coming soon; 91 Yam TZR250R From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 16:15:40 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04025 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17993; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:14:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990825161330.016b9b70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:14:06 -0400 To: "Charles L. Rosen" From: Troutman Subject: Re: rain Cc: "dc-cycles" In-Reply-To: <199908252001.QAA03164@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:58 PM 8/25/99 , Charles L. Rosen wrote: >WHAT DROUGHT??? > >No rain gear today, would have been useful. >-charles Fortunately I believed the NWS when I checked Yahoo! last night....supposed to rain through Saturday :-( ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 16:34:10 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04324 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQhdvm05424; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:33:50 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567D8.00719448 ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:40:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Charles L. Rosen" cc: "dc-cycles" Message-ID: <852567D8.007192D9.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: rain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I feel your pain. I will feel the wetness in an hour! : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Charles L. Rosen" on 08/25/99 03:58:51 PM To: "dc-cycles" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: rain WHAT DROUGHT??? No rain gear today, would have been useful. -charles From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 16:47:51 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f119.hotmail.com [209.185.131.182]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04662 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94743 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 1999 20:47:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990825204710.94742.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:47:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:47:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Concerning the Iron Butt Rally. Todd's right, it's one of those "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand". So when are you going to do your 50CC Todd? Leon Ninja 250. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 17:14:19 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05193 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FH100K3LGPS2J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:53:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA12989; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:52:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990825205351.UTXV8875@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:53:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:51:35 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! In-reply-to: <19990825204710.94742.qmail@hotmail.com> To: mrider@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001801beef3b$9eb14840$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal The ST1100 is on blocks, and has been since I got home from Canada. The 50cc is not an option this year. Maybe next year I can convince one or two people to visit San Diego for a day or two, leave Friday, return home Wednesday afternoon. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 4:47 PM > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! > > > Concerning the Iron Butt Rally. > > Todd's right, it's one of those "If I have to explain it to you, you > wouldn't understand". > > So when are you going to do your 50CC Todd? > > Leon > Ninja 250. > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 20:29:23 1999 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08763 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA5289829; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C48A5E.135FD882@boo.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:29:19 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track day..125 fun References: <199908252300.TAA07364@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love to try your bike. I would happily pay for a few laps but I must tell you in advance I am not going to buy it. I have the same issue you do I almost double the bikes weight. Jay T-595 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Track day.. Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:21:20 -0700 Hrm.. thought just entered my mind... would anyone that's going to be at the track day like to try a GP racebike? I can probably get arround to offering up my RS125 if a few people are interested.. I'd just ask that you pitch in a couple dollars to help cover for gas, oil and clutch bits.. :P Brian McCoy _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 25 20:52:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09150 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA07134 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA09068 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling-136.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FH10088KRPPWI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:41:20 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Application of #'s - Any tricks? To: SV650@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <001801beef74$dd009400$882fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 All - I have seen bikes at the track with absolutely perfect #'s on their plates, or right on the paint job. I am trying to apply mine and for the life of me always get wrinkles. The Sharkskins nose has a bit of contour, and a slight bubble approaching the windscreen the middle number has to go over. Are there any secrets I am missing? I thought about trying to use a hair dryer to make the #'s super pliable. Anyone tried that? Would high heat hurt my brand new cheap paint job? Any info from meticulous racer fashion plates would be appriciated, so Colin, you need not reply. (He goes, but looks, like stink!) small joke. Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 06:26:22 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19905 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15176 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDHZ19>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:32:27 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8813@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: rain Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oh well, guess I've gone soft, I have been in the cage. I had the "fun" of riding with my rain suit, and I decided that some cage drivers have developed a compulsion, since the last time I rode year round in any weather, that bikes must be raced at all costs--including my hide--dispite the conditions. Take care, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX [mailto:Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 4:32 PM To: Charles L. Rosen Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: rain Yeah, I feel your pain. I will feel the wetness in an hour! : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Charles L. Rosen" on 08/25/99 03:58:51 PM To: "dc-cycles" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: rain WHAT DROUGHT??? No rain gear today, would have been useful. -charles From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 08:28:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22714 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2F15D1B0240; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:28:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990826081951.00c40a30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:22:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: rain In-Reply-To: <199908252001.QAA03164@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:58 PM 8/25/99 , you wrote: >WHAT DROUGHT??? > >No rain gear today, would have been useful. >-charles My Aerostich kept me fine and dry, but I seemed to forget how to deal with my feet and hands. I didn't put my boot covers on, and got wet feet and boots that were still wet this morning. I put my rain mitts over my sleeves, thus guaranteeing water would flow down into the mitts. That, and I must have used the horns 3 times yesterday, when it's unusual to need them even 3 times a week! It's like the first snowfall of the season -- many cagers got stupid. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 09:35:51 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24600 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-194.patriot.net [209.249.180.194]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21115; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: <37C54186.83F1455E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:30:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rain References: <4.2.0.58.19990826081951.00c40a30@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday was a grade two rain. That's two accidents per mile by my unofficial rain rating system. A good ol' frog strangler is is grade six. Being self employed, I usually duck out of the search library early while there's still room to drive around the carnage. Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > That, and I must have used the horns 3 times yesterday, when it's unusual > to need them even 3 times a week! It's like the first snowfall of the > season -- many cagers got stupid. > > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, Virginia > 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 09:44:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24701 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10524 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA23623 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:44:09 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:44:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:43:51 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, jbroga@XXXXXX Subject: Application of #'s - Any tricks? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Try Sticker On (5.99 from D. Kirk). It lets you slide the sticker around and work out the wrinkles and air bubbles before the thing "grabs." Joe >>> jambroga - 8/25/99 11:41 PM >>> All - I have seen bikes at the track with absolutely perfect #'s on their plates, or right on the paint job. I am trying to apply mine and for the life of me always get wrinkles. The Sharkskins nose has a bit of contour, and a slight bubble approaching the windscreen the middle number has to go over. Are there any secrets I am missing? I thought about trying to use a hair dryer to make the #'s super pliable. Anyone tried that? Would high heat hurt my brand new cheap paint job? Any info from meticulous racer fashion plates would be appriciated, so Colin, you need not reply. (He goes, but looks, like stink!) small joke. Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 10:25:27 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25376 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA09985; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:25:22 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma007763; Thu, 26 Aug 99 10:23:25 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH2008SKTFM1A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D9.004EE916 ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:21:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:21:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Application of #'s - Any tricks? -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D9.004EDFA2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've heard that a little bit of dishwashing soap accomplishes the same thing. (It's also great for getting handlebar grips on) Also, it helps if you use a spatula from your kitchen to smooth out the bubbles. The Superhawk list went through this topic recently with regard to decals. Chris VTR From: JOE NAGY Try Sticker On (5.99 from D. Kirk). It lets you slide the sticker around and work out the wrinkles and air bubbles before the thing "grabs." ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 11:34:55 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26710 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA02773 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:34:48 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:20:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEEFB5.07290380.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: rain Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:20:38 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My First Gear two piece rainsuit worked out perfectly. I wear the jacket along with my Motoport pants. I found out that the same pants that are so effective at sealing in my sweat in the summer heat can actually keep out the rain. Another nice factor is to have a job where network crises keep you at the office so late that the rain has stopped by the time you get to ride home:) Less traffic, too! I too, have had to resort to the Horn Defense recently, cagers must be concentrating on watching those wipers go back and forth instead of the road in front of them. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 8:22 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rain At 03:58 PM 8/25/99 , you wrote: >WHAT DROUGHT??? > >No rain gear today, would have been useful. >-charles My Aerostich kept me fine and dry, but I seemed to forget how to deal with my feet and hands. I didn't put my boot covers on, and got wet feet and boots that were still wet this morning. I put my rain mitts over my sleeves, thus guaranteeing water would flow down into the mitts. That, and I must have used the horns 3 times yesterday, when it's unusual to need them even 3 times a week! It's like the first snowfall of the season -- many cagers got stupid. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 11:43:22 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26869 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:43:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 9SYCa28682 (4409); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:40:39 EDT Subject: Re: RE: rain To: mjay@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 8/26/99 6:32:56 AM, mjay@XXXXXX writes: >I had the "fun" of riding with my rain suit, and I >decided that some cage drivers have developed a >compulsion, since the last time I rode year round >in any weather, that bikes must be raced at all >costs--including my hide--dispite the conditions. That's no big deal ... just get off to a slow start and let them "win" :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 12:32:32 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27740 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA12956 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA12947 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA24334; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.4.164]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA24330; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990826123036.0127f100@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:30:36 -0400 To: jbroga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: Application of #'s - Any tricks? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Trick I learned from Fred whilst applying the numbers for his bike: Windex and a credit card. Spray the plate lightly with windex, place the number in place, spray a little more windex on top/around the number, smooth it out with a credit card. :-) Works quite well, actually. Brad From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 12:55:59 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28145 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A19A1D620298; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:55:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990826125639.00c56100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:57:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: A Great Bumpersticker Offer-MC/Safety Related Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From another list ... > The guys from NPR's Car Talk are offering a "Drive Now, Talk Later" > Bumper sticker for only 33 cents. > > Send a SASE to: > Bumper Sticker > Car Talk Plaza > Box 3500 Harvard Square > Cambridge, MA 02238 > > You can read more about it at www.cartalk.cars.com > > This is one sticker worth sticking! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 13:10:29 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28434 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-35-202.s202.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.35.202]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA05007 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01beefc4$b5cea5c0$0c91fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: More Sticker Questions/Penske Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:12:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have some stickers from Penske that I have never seen before. They look similar to an iron on (all the rage when I was little), but I doubt thats what they are. They appear to be sort of a standard sticker, with a regular backing and an opaque, cloth looking cover. I figured I would peel the opaque cover off, the words would stick to it, and then I would rub it on the bike, remove the opaque cover and voila, and perfectly written word on the bike with out any transparent sticker connecting the letters. But that didn't work. What they are these things and how do they work? I must be getting old and stupid if I'm at the point where I can't figure out how to work a sticker. Jonathan Broga Posterboy for the adhesively challenged From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 13:43:32 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29046 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11K3Um-0004FX-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:39:28 -0400 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16180; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:43:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re: Application of #'s - Any tricks? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:41:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000101beefea$3ee1e550$afc809c0@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Brad, Once you start racing, that's all your credit card will be good for :) Brad Wrote: Trick I learned from Fred whilst applying the numbers for his bike: Windex and a credit card. Spray the plate lightly with windex, place the number in place, spray a little more windex on top/around the number, smooth it out with a credit card. :-) Works quite well, actually. Brad From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 14:19:20 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29897 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:19:19 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA23851; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:19:50 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023262; Thu, 26 Aug 99 14:18:37 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH3004PB4BRJW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D9.006473A5 ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:17:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:57:33 -0400 Subject: Cut-Out Duke 851 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D9.00646804.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL For those of you who managed to get the glue off of your fingers from the cut-out R1: Courtesy of Fred Gassit's Bikerama, may I present the cut-out Ducati 851! http://www.netspace.net.au/~rwebster/851main.htm Warning: While this particular model is considerably less complex than the R1, it will still cause you enough grief to throw up your hands in frustration and take up something simple like translating the U.S. tax code into hieroglyphics. (A bit like working on real-life motorcycles, actually) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 16:08:49 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01835 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:07:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199908261607.AA107020806@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , , Subject: RE: Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:51:35 -0400 >The ST1100 is on blocks, and has been since I got home from Canada. What's up with the ST? Just maintenance, I hope? > The 50cc is not an option this year. Maybe next year I can convince > one or two people to visit San Diego for a day or two, leave Friday, > return home Wednesday afternoon. Hmm. Unfortunately my long range planning luck is terrible, lately. Sounds like a nice way to spend 5 days, however. A 50cc is coming up pretty quickly on my IB ride list (after the BBG sometime this fall). Hork -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 16:26:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02187 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13418 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com ([208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06378 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9]) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA23178 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:42:13 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:23:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Lookout on GW Pkwy Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:23:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I noticed one of these the other day near the ranger station/payphone area on the Parkway, north of the Mclean exit. Watch out! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- GW Parkway to Get Cameras Speeders to Be Snapped, and Summonses to Be Mailed By Eric L. Wee Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, August 26, 1999; Page B07 Motorists on the George Washington Parkway who hit the gas when no police cars are in sight may soon discover they're still being watched. National Park Service officials said yesterday they are experimenting with automatic radar-equipped cameras on the parkway that will snap pictures of speeders in the act and allow police to send a summons through the mail. Under the project, which officials believe would be among the first of its kind in the nation, the Park Service--which oversees the federal road--and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration have installed cameras at Gravelly Point near Reagan National Airport and at Turkey Run, just north of the CIA exit. Audrey Calhoun, superintendent of the parkway, said the park service will test the cameras, which cost $100,000 each, for six months. If the test is successful, she said, owners of cars that speed will begin finding tickets in their mailboxes. "The speed on the parkway and all the aggressive driving . . . it's been a problem for years," Calhoun said. She said the search for ways to expand enforcement got a push from a notorious 1996 incident on the road, when three people died after two motorists carried on a high-speed driving duel. In one recent effort to discourage speeding, Park Police placed portable radars with message boards along the highway to remind drivers how fast they were traveling. That seemed to slow many people down, but they sped up again after the signs were taken away, Calhoun said. The Park Police force isn't large enough to constantly patrol the entire 27.5-mile highway, she said. "We don't have enough officers," Calhoun said. The cameras operate much like those that are used to catch red-light runners at intersections, designed to photograph the license plate of the offending car so the registered owner can be identified and sent a traffic citation. The cameras, long used in Europe, have the capacity to photograph license plates 180 feet away and can track traffic in both directions. The two experimental parkway cameras will target only northbound vehicles to start. Calhoun said the idea for the cameras came from the federal traffic agency, which is funding the project. The six-month trial will help officials determine whether the technology can produce accurate data and clear pictures, Calhoun said. If so, more cameras will go up, she said. James Tuton, president of American Traffic Systems Inc. of Arizona, which is supplying the equipment, said yesterday there was no question about the accuracy of the system. He said jurisdictions in many western states have used similar systems on mobile units for more than a decade, but that the George Washington Parkway project involves the first fixed cameras that will operate automatically. When the system is up and running, "we're going to see fewer crashes and speed will decrease dramatically closer to the speed limit," Tuton said. In a recent survey conducted by the American Automobile Association, 65 percent of those polled in the Washington area supported using cameras to catch speeders, contrary to polls of a few years ago when such systems were strongly opposed. But a significant 22 percent remain strongly against cameras, worrying that they are an invasion of privacy, AAA Mid-Atlantic spokesman Lon Anderson said. It is significant that a federal agency is undertaking the radar-camera program, because it remains questionable whether local jurisdictions could do so without special state legislation. Virginia, for example, had to pass a law in 1995 to ensure that tickets issued automatically to red-light runners couldn't be challenged in court. Calhoun said the Park Service felt it could go forward with the project because the parkway falls under federal rules. But she said officials also will use the six-month testing process to ensure that the tickets would hold up in court. "We have looked at our regulations," she said, "and initially our view is that we think we can do it." © Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 17:12:37 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03073 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA29327; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:13:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028647; Thu, 26 Aug 99 17:11:57 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH300EN8CCL6J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D9.00745199 ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:10:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:58:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D9.0074366F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL AAACK! The dreaded Gatso! Those things have been plaguing the Brits for years now. There are companies that sell (illegal in Britain and Australia I think) license plate covers that effectively blind the Gatso machines. Methinks US law hasn't addressed this yet. Time to get out the credit card... Chris VTR p.s. And NO, I don't think these cameras are a good idea, in case it wasn't obvious. p.p.s. Like a Gatso camera would have stopped those speeding idiots they mentioned? I think not. p.p.p.s. Not enough officers to patrol the parkway, and yet they're thinking about buying two $100,000 cameras? Can you say "revenue", kids? I knew you could! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 17:15:21 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03170 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [216.164.224.208] (216-164-224-208.s208.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.224.208]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12626; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908262115.RAA12626@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:15:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "Westbrook, Richard" CC: "dc-cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. -charles ---------- >From: "Westbrook, Richard" >To: "'DC-Cycles'" >Subject: Lookout on GW Pkwy >Date: Thu, Aug 26, 1999, 4:23 PM > >I noticed one of these the other day near the ranger station/payphone area >on the Parkway, north of the Mclean exit. Watch out! > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----------------------------- > >GW Parkway to Get Cameras Speeders to Be Snapped, >and Summonses to Be Mailed From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 18:30:42 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04527 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA14872; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:31:11 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014652; Thu, 26 Aug 99 18:31:02 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH3004N0G0NRX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D9.007B8FED ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:29:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:29:11 -0400 Subject: Daytona Bike Week 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D9.007B84E6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I am thinking about going to at least part of Dayton bike week. A few questions for the vets 1. Where to stay? Something nice even, since my girlfriend will be there. 2. How hard are Daytona 200 tickets to get? Do I need to order them now? Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 18:43:37 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04699 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:43:36 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA26387; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:43:19 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025499; Thu, 26 Aug 99 18:42:09 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH3005U0GIU2R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567D9.007C9236 ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:40:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:36:38 -0400 Subject: Dayton II To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567D9.007C6278.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL One more thing...how much of a Harley event is this? Can I ride my VFR around without getting as crap? Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 26 18:59:26 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05002 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-53-141.s141.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.141]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19873 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Daytona Bike Week 2000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bef016$a37a4a80$8d35accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <852567D9.007B84E6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal I was there in 96 and camped. It was ok, but a little too far away from the action for my tastes. We bought tickets at the gate for the Daytona 200, but that was the year it was rained out :-(. We saw some good riding at some qualifying races a coupla days before. It's heavily Harley, but you'll be okay. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (61K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ mark.kitchell@XXXXXX asked: I am thinking about going to at least part of Dayton bike week. A few questions for the vets 1. Where to stay? Something nice even, since my girlfriend will be there. 2. How hard are Daytona 200 tickets to get? Do I need to order them now? From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 01:27:48 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00358 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA08060 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA11732 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01bef02b$7b1b4fc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: <852567D9.007B84E6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Attention Collin and/or Anita!! Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:28:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sorry for the interruption, everyone else... Collin and/or Anita, could you please call Brian at home and leave a number he can reach you at. Long story short - jacket stolen, key in it...needs help with getting the bike back on the road... What crappy luck! Thanks guys! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 01:27:25 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00353 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA10306 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id XAA18739 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id XAA12311; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:32:15 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5659@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: dishwashing soap Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:32:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain It seems like I always have to comment on Chris' posts. It's not deliberate, I swear! However, I think the use of dishwashing soap for changing hand grips may not be the best way to go. I used said soap once to slide new foot peg rubbers onto the Triumph, and the stuff didn't dry! I never realized how much I used my feets to steer until that day when my foot peg rubbers kept coming off. I now use clear RTV silicone to mount the inevitably ill-fitting reproduction foot peg rubbers. For handgrips I have always used a light schmear of liquid car wax. They stay on nice and tight, but you can still get them off without too much trouble. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfiled Bullet From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:21:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Application of #'s - Any tricks? -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've heard that a little bit of dishwashing soap accomplishes the same thing. (It's also great for getting handlebar grips on) Also, it helps if you use a spatula from your kitchen to smooth out the bubbles. The Superhawk list went through this topic recently with regard to decals. Chris VTR From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 01:27:08 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00287 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA12812 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id XAA12775; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id XAA12933; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B565A@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" To: "'dcc'" , "'jkbroga@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: More Sticker Questions/Penske Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:41:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain They sound like those rub-off letters that I used to buy at art stores (before I discovered PC's). If what you have is anything like that, I would think they would just crumble when applied to something as hard as a fairing. What exactly happens when you try to use them? Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: More Sticker Questions/Penske Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:12:53 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have some stickers from Penske that I have never seen before. They look similar to an iron on (all the rage when I was little), but I doubt thats what they are. They appear to be sort of a standard sticker, with a regular backing and an opaque, cloth looking cover. I figured I would peel the opaque cover off, the words would stick to it, and then I would rub it on the bike, remove the opaque cover and voila, and perfectly written word on the bike with out any transparent sticker connecting the letters. But that didn't work. What they are these things and how do they work? I must be getting old and stupid if I'm at the point where I can't figure out how to work a sticker. Jonathan Broga Posterboy for the adhesively challenged From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 06:38:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06956 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17366 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23496 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23160 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDH6AY>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8815@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:45:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What a bad idea!!! > > In a recent survey conducted by the American >Automobile Association, 65 percent of those > polled in the Washington area supported using cameras >to catch speeders, contrary to polls of a > few years ago when such systems were strongly >opposed. But a significant 22 percent remain > strongly against cameras, worrying that they are an >invasion of privacy, AAA Mid-Atlantic > spokesman Lon Anderson said. > (Insert tongue in cheek here) Of the 100 people surveyed, the 65 AAA Mid- Atlantic employees voiced their resounding support. > > It is significant that a federal agency is >undertaking the radar-camera program, because it > remains questionable whether local jurisdictions >could do so without special state legislation. > Oh look, just like other toleration governments, one bologna slice at time. > > Virginia, for example, had to pass a law in 1995 to >ensure that tickets issued automatically to > red-light runners couldn't be challenged in court. > Yes, but does anyone know if Virginia's equivalent of the Supreme Court has heard a case involving such a scummy law. > > Calhoun said the Park Service felt it could go >forward with the project because the parkway falls > under federal rules. But she said officials also will >use the six-month testing process to ensure > that the tickets would hold up in court. > Oh goodie, we can all be lab rats. Hey, and either way the Park Service employees will get paid while anyone falsely accused will have to go to court and hear the camera's testimony. > > "We have looked at our regulations," she said, "and >initially our view is that we think we can do > it." > Translation "We'll just screw you first and ask for introductions later." What's to be done? Welcome to the fishbowl, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 07:03:09 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07336 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C54E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Charles L. Rosen'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:02:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Problem is if they are like the red light cameras then they get your tag from the rear. Then you have to prove that you were not operating you vehicle if you decide to fight it. Glenn >Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 07:05:52 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07425 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:05:27 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C54F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:05:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) You can already get those license plate covers here. Don't think they make a motorcycle specific one but they are thin enough that a good pair of scissors should make easy work of cutting them down to size. Oh and they are $40 each, don't ask me how I know! ;-) Glenn (hate the idea of traffic enforcement via a camera) >The dreaded Gatso! Those things have been plaguing the Brits for years now. >There are companies that sell (illegal in Britain and Australia I think) >license plate covers that effectively blind the Gatso machines. Methinks US >law hasn't addressed this yet. Time to get out the credit card... From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 07:17:48 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07581 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] ([192.168.1.27]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA27871 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:20:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Maintenance after rain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello All- So after being one of the many of us caught riding in the rain this week, and being new to bike ownership, I am wondering what maintenance I need to do. I am assuming that the chain requires attention, (recommendations on the best lube would be appreciated), but is there anything else that you all have found beneficial? Thanks in Advance. Ned Suesse 1996 CBR 600 F3 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ned Suesse GreyPilgrim 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 07:27:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07736 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17476 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23927 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23256 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDH6BM>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:33:10 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8817@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:33:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >Oh look, just like other toleration governments, one bologna slice at time. Make that totalitarian not toleration, and yes I feel dumb. Today's winner of the sleepy-head award, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 08:02:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08531 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE3773F01C6; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:01:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990827075420.00c5fa10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:56:02 -0400 To: "dc-cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy In-Reply-To: <199908262115.RAA12626@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Red light cameras use the rear license plates, and let the owner of the vehicle deal with the infraction (it's considered something like a technical infraction, not a regular moving violation - no points on your license). Be very careful about this front license plate business - the state legislature giveth and they taketh away. Chris Norloff At 05:15 PM 8/26/99 , Charles L. Rosen wrote: >Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. >-charles >---------- > >From: "Westbrook, Richard" > >To: "'DC-Cycles'" > >Subject: Lookout on GW Pkwy > >Date: Thu, Aug 26, 1999, 4:23 PM > > > > >I noticed one of these the other day near the ranger station/payphone area > >on the Parkway, north of the Mclean exit. Watch out! > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----------------------------- > > > >GW Parkway to Get Cameras Speeders to Be Snapped, > >and Summonses to Be Mailed From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 08:02:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08530 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE3873F01C6; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:02:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990827075914.00c76340@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:03:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C54F@dadc040.hqda.pent agon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed License plate covers like that fool the camera, but they don't fool cops. Any license plate cover is illegal in Virginia - of course it's tolerated to some extent. But why put a highly visible accessory on the bike that guarantees any cop can pull you over in a heartbeat? Anyone remember the LEO on our list (or was it the Motorcyclist BBS?). Don something, ran the MotorWheel information service. He said the license plate covers were "gimme tickets" - easy to ticket for, impossible to defend. He stopped one guy who was so mad at getting yet another ticket for the cover that he kicked the license plate cover until it broke and pieces fell off onto the ground. Don never said if he then ticketed the guy for littering. Chris Norloff At 07:05 AM 8/27/99 , Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: >You can already get those license plate covers here. Don't think they make >a motorcycle specific one but they are thin enough that a good pair of >scissors should make easy work of cutting them down to size. Oh and they >are $40 each, don't ask me how I know! ;-) > >Glenn (hate the idea of traffic enforcement via a camera) > > > > >The dreaded Gatso! Those things have been plaguing the Brits for years now. > >There are companies that sell (illegal in Britain and Australia I think) > >license plate covers that effectively blind the Gatso machines. Methinks US > >law hasn't addressed this yet. Time to get out the credit card... From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 08:20:20 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09127 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA32403; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37C6815D.C57A9701@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:15:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ned Suesse CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance after rain References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like CRC 5-66, or 6-66. Clean bike, hose down all fastners and electric connections with the spray - ride to blow off the excess dribbles. Chain lube depends on the chain. O-ring chains require special lube to ensure taht they'll last as long as a regular chain. Bill belt drive - no lube required Ned Suesse wrote: > Hello All- > So after being one of the many of us caught riding in the > rain this week, and being new to bike ownership, I am wondering what > maintenance I need to do. I am assuming that the chain requires > attention, (recommendations on the best lube would be appreciated), > but is there anything else that you all have found beneficial? > > Thanks in Advance. > > Ned Suesse > > 1996 CBR 600 F3 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ned Suesse > GreyPilgrim > 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 08:24:56 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09300 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C557@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:23:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Well I've had mine on the cage now for well over a year without any word of it. I even got pulled over for speeding and the cop said nothing about the tag cover. Remember that these covers look "OK" straight on, its only from side angles that they blank out the tag. Glenn >License plate covers like that fool the camera, but they don't fool >cops. Any license plate cover is illegal in Virginia - of course it's >tolerated to some extent. But why put a highly visible accessory on the >bike that guarantees any cop can pull you over in a heartbeat? >Anyone remember the LEO on our list (or was it the Motorcyclist BBS?). Don >something, ran the MotorWheel information service. He said the license >plate covers were "gimme tickets" - easy to ticket for, impossible to >defend. He stopped one guy who was so mad at getting yet another ticket >for the cover that he kicked the license plate cover until it broke and >pieces fell off onto the ground. Don never said if he then ticketed the >guy for littering. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 08:25:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09321 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17651 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24737 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA00349; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37C682A0.665DCD6B@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:20:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Jay CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8817@tralfaz.treev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about paint ball guns? And a passenger with a dead-eye. See camera - aim - *splat* Meanwhile, back in Big Brotherland HQ - "Hey! Where'd we get these &%&$ cameras - K-Mart! All the pics came out blurry red!" Bill Michael Jay wrote: > >Oh look, just like other toleration governments, one bologna slice at time. > > Make that totalitarian not toleration, and yes I feel dumb. > > Today's winner of the sleepy-head award, > Mike Jay > 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 08:34:14 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09483 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23461 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDH6C7>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:40:23 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8818@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey folks, So what ever happened to the HD shop that had the run in with Fairfax City? Is it the one across from the Lone Star on route 29 a little ways south from Nutley Street? Just curious, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:01:31 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09952 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03244; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:01:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37C68B03.B86438CC@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:56:35 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Jay CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8818@tralfaz.treev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still in bizz - and still being harrassed by a buncha nearby landowners who claim it's noisy and attracts evil dudes who will carry off wives and teeny girls and have thier way with them. Oddly, the nearby HS which has night events full of screaming fans and air horns doesn't seem to annoy them. Bill Michael Jay wrote: > Hey folks, > > So what ever happened to the HD shop that had the run in with Fairfax City? > > Is it the one across from the Lone Star on route 29 a little ways south from > Nutley Street? > > Just curious, > Mike Jay > 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:11:40 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10032 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FH400O0NKLSGW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:10:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA28440; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:06:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990827131040.WOSR22082@toddnt>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:10:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:08:04 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Maintenance after rain In-reply-to: <37C6815D.C57A9701@patriot.net> To: Bill Huson , Ned Suesse Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000801bef08d$32d1ae50$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Bill, I think you have it backwards. I always thought the o-ring type chains are more maintenance free. The o-ring forms a seal at the rollers which hold in lubrication and repel dust/water/dirt etc. I have used PJ-1 Blue and HondaLube on my 0-ring type chains, but I am dubious about how much extended life I've gotten out of them. And over time, they leave a gooey mess where ever the lube can fly off the chain. I've been through 2 chains on my CB-750, o-ring type and both were pretty much through at around 19,000 miles. The one I just recently replaced will not receive these special lubes. Simple Wd-40 is all it will get, just to keep it from rusting. I'll let you know in another 17,000 miles how it works out ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > I like CRC 5-66, or 6-66. Clean bike, hose down all fastners and > electric connections with the spray - ride to blow off the excess > dribbles. Chain lube depends on the chain. O-ring chains require special > lube to ensure taht they'll last as long as a regular chain. > > Bill > belt drive - no lube required > > > Ned Suesse wrote: > > > Hello All- > > So after being one of the many of us caught riding in the > > rain this week, and being new to bike ownership, I am wondering what > > maintenance I need to do. I am assuming that the chain requires > > attention, (recommendations on the best lube would be appreciated), > > but is there anything else that you all have found beneficial? > > > > Thanks in Advance. > > > > Ned Suesse > > > > 1996 CBR 600 F3 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ned Suesse > > GreyPilgrim > > 301.610.6393 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:25:18 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10248 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14368 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Maintenance after rain In-Reply-To: <37C6815D.C57A9701@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > O-ring chains require special lube to ensure taht they'll last as long > as a regular chain. A good o-ring chain that receives no maintenance at all will outlast most regular (non o-ring) chains. All the chain manufacturers that I've seen just recommend gear oil on o-ring chains. I've just been using WD-40 on my dirt bike chains (which get submerged, covered in mud, and otherwise abused) and they've been lasting just fine. My street bike chains get WD-40 when I do oil changes (I will let surface rust develop when it rains - it comes right off as soon as you ride). On my old street bike I replaced the chain at 15k mile intervals (annually) but it was more because my AL rear sprocket was worn out than because the chain was worn out. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:28:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10340 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17959 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25731 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA25277; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA01548; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:27:29 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE01F27E78@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" Subject: Camel Backs Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:26:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone know if it is a bad or good idea to partially fill a camel back bladder/reservoir and throw it in the freezer until you're ready to use it? I like to avoid the clumsy long process of placing ice cubes in the small mouthed opening. TIA. John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:33:40 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10471 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA27424; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:33:53 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026748; Fri, 27 Aug 99 09:33:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH400ESALSCLY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567DA.004A5555 ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:31:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:19:21 -0400 Subject: Re: dishwashing soap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567DA.0049AF05.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hmm... It always dried for me. But then I cover my bike every night. Maybe you don't do this and the condensation keeps it wet? In any case, you've found something that works for you - go with it. It sounds like a pretty good alternative. Chris 98 VTR From: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" However, I think the use of dishwashing soap for changing hand grips may not be the best way to go. I used said soap once to slide new foot peg rubbers onto the Triumph, and the stuff didn't dry! I never realized how much I used my feets to steer until that day when my foot peg rubbers kept coming off. I now use clear RTV silicone to mount the inevitably ill-fitting reproduction foot peg rubbers. For handgrips I have always used a light schmear of liquid car wax. They stay on nice and tight, but you can still get them off without too much trouble. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:37:30 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10560 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06920; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:37:23 -0400 Message-ID: <37C69377.4F55358A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:32:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Ned Suesse , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance after rain References: <000801bef08d$32d1ae50$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So it seems. My only O-ring was toast at around 10K. Even with rec lube the O-rings crumbled - possibly from the heat of running superslabs to FL. It stretched - stretched, and stretched some more. I cut it off and got a regular chain. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > Bill, I think you have it backwards. I always thought the o-ring type > chains are more maintenance free. The o-ring forms a seal at the rollers > which hold in lubrication and repel dust/water/dirt etc. > > I have used PJ-1 Blue and HondaLube on my 0-ring type chains, but I am > dubious about how much extended life I've gotten out of them. And over > time, they leave a gooey mess where ever the lube can fly off the chain. > I've been through 2 chains on my CB-750, o-ring type and both were pretty > much through at around 19,000 miles. The one I just recently replaced will > not receive these special lubes. Simple Wd-40 is all it will get, just to > keep it from rusting. > > I'll let you know in another 17,000 miles how it works out ;) > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > > I like CRC 5-66, or 6-66. Clean bike, hose down all fastners and > > electric connections with the spray - ride to blow off the excess > > dribbles. Chain lube depends on the chain. O-ring chains require special > > lube to ensure taht they'll last as long as a regular chain. > > > > Bill > > belt drive - no lube required > > > > > > Ned Suesse wrote: > > > > > Hello All- > > > So after being one of the many of us caught riding in the > > > rain this week, and being new to bike ownership, I am wondering what > > > maintenance I need to do. I am assuming that the chain requires > > > attention, (recommendations on the best lube would be appreciated), > > > but is there anything else that you all have found beneficial? > > > > > > Thanks in Advance. > > > > > > Ned Suesse > > > > > > 1996 CBR 600 F3 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Ned Suesse > > > GreyPilgrim > > > 301.610.6393 > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:38:04 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10570 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:36:45 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C55A@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Maintenance after rain Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:37:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Just a note of what I have observed from people I've seen using WD-40, it makes much more of a mess on your wheels, etc then using the Honda prolube. The Honda prolube is the best stuff I've used for not flinging off. As always, be sure to get the chain nice and hot (from a good ride) BEFORE applying the lube and make sure to apply it to the inside of the chain, not the outside. Glenn >I have used PJ-1 Blue and HondaLube on my 0-ring type chains, but I am >dubious about how much extended life I've gotten out of them. And over >time, they leave a gooey mess where ever the lube can fly off the chain. >I've been through 2 chains on my CB-750, o-ring type and both were pretty >much through at around 19,000 miles. The one I just recently replaced will >not receive these special lubes. Simple Wd-40 is all it will get, just to >keep it from rusting. >I'll let you know in another 17,000 miles how it works out ;) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:41:56 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10583 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:39:29 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C55C@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Carver, John M, BGM'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Camel Backs Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:39:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Absolutely. That's where my camelback is right now. Although from advice from other listers (thanx Craig) I fill my 3/4 full. On a hot day it melts fast and if it doesn't stop along the way and get a small bottle of water to continue the process. Glenn >Does anyone know if it is a bad or good idea to partially fill a camel back >bladder/reservoir and throw it in the freezer until you're ready to use it? >I like to avoid the clumsy long process of placing ice cubes in the small >mouthed opening. >TIA. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:47:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10738 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18028 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26298 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C55E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Bill Huson'" , Michael Jay Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:45:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) You know it funny I've thought of this same thing except shimmying up the pole with a can of spray paint. Glenn >How about paint ball guns? And a passenger with a dead-eye. >See camera - aim - *splat* >Meanwhile, back in Big Brotherland HQ - "Hey! Where'd we get these &%&$ cameras >- K-Mart! All the pics came out blurry red!" From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:58:30 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10905 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A97F1EE90298; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:58:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990827094557.00bd3c90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:48:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Maintenance after rain In-Reply-To: <000801bef08d$32d1ae50$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <37C6815D.C57A9701@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:08 AM 8/27/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Bill, I think you have it backwards. I always thought the o-ring type >chains are more maintenance free. The o-ring forms a seal at the rollers >which hold in lubrication and repel dust/water/dirt etc. O-ring chains last much longer than regular chains, for the reasons above. >I have used PJ-1 Blue and HondaLube on my 0-ring type chains, but I am >dubious about how much extended life I've gotten out of them. And over >time, they leave a gooey mess where ever the lube can fly off the chain. >I've been through 2 chains on my CB-750, o-ring type and both were pretty >much through at around 19,000 miles. The one I just recently replaced will >not receive these special lubes. Simple Wd-40 is all it will get, just to >keep it from rusting. Attached below is my experience with chains. My best is now over 30,000 mi., with the OEM chain on my latest Honda. Chris Norloff ************************************ My worst: 7,000 miles (RK o-ring chain, previously used sprockets, commercial chain lube) My best: 27,000 miles (DID o-ring chain, new sprockets, 70-weight engine oil). The chain hadn't worn to its limits yet, but had enough wear that it could move laterally and it made a noise under acceleration. I gave up using commercial chain lube since when I open up old chains I find rust inside the master link -- if the commercial chain lube was insufficient to stop rusting, it didn't lubricate anything either. In addition, the sticky lube left on the outside of the chain held dirt and made the links stiffer. The only internal lube o-ring chains get is what they come with. The externally-applied heavy oil lubes the side plates and rollers (I dribble it on with a small bottle). I haven't tried chain wax, but the same people who used to tell riders to use commercial chain lube now say to use chain wax ... so I ignore them. I clean the chain every now and then by spraying liberally with WD-40 then wiping off. I lube the chain every 500 miles or so by dribbling the 70-weight engine oil on the chain as I spin the rear wheel (with the engine off, of course). Make sure the oil gets between the side plates, and also where the rollers contact the side plates. Lube the chain when hot so the oil has a chance to soak in before stiffening with temperature. Wipe the chain before riding again to get off the major drips. Some oil does fling onto the rear wheel, but I find it easier to clean oil off instead of commercial chain lube. In addition, spraying silicon on the wheel and the side of the tire (not the treaded area!) keeps the oil from sticking much. A spray-on-hose-off cleaner like Simple Green works great at keeping everything clean. This is based on my personal experience, with over 120,000 miles of riding bikes with chains. Your mileage may vary, as they say. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 09:58:31 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10906 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9831EE90298; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:58:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990827094917.00c562a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:50:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Maintenance after rain In-Reply-To: <37C69377.4F55358A@patriot.net> References: <000801bef08d$32d1ae50$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:32 AM 8/27/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >So it seems. My only O-ring was toast at around 10K. Even with rec lube the >O-rings crumbled - possibly from the heat of running superslabs to FL. It >stretched - stretched, and stretched some more. I cut it off and got a regular >chain. Did you put it on new sprockets? I had an o-ring chain wear that fast when I used old sprockets (ONCE!), and I've never had an o-ring chain on new sprockets wear that fast. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 10:10:43 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11124 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00339 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-117-235.s235.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.235]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03177 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01bef074$ef01d5a0$2714fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "'dcc'" Subject: The best thing for grips Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:14:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have always used hairspray. Thats what bicycle shops use and they put on a lot of grips. Slides on easy, dries relatively fast. I used the Windex advice for the #'s and it seemed to work okay. There is a bubble or two left but that was due to poor lighting. I didn't notice them till this morning. The hardest part was trying to make everything exactly aligned. Don't look too close and its a passable job. Jonathan Broga -----Original Message----- >However, I think the use of dishwashing soap for changing hand grips may not >be the best way to go. I used said soap once to slide new foot peg rubbers >onto the Triumph, and the stuff didn't dry! I never realized how much I >used my feets to steer until that day when my foot peg rubbers kept coming >off. I now use clear RTV silicone to mount the inevitably ill-fitting >reproduction foot peg rubbers. > >For handgrips I have always used a light schmear of liquid car wax. They >stay on nice and tight, but you can still get them off without too much >trouble. > >Rich >'78 Triumph Bonneville >'99 Enfiled Bullet > > >From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:21:31 -0400 >Subject: Re: Application of #'s - Any tricks? -Reply >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Content-disposition: inline >X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL > >I've heard that a little bit of dishwashing soap accomplishes the same >thing. (It's also great for getting handlebar grips on) Also, it helps if >you use a spatula from your kitchen to smooth out the bubbles. The >Superhawk list went through this topic recently with regard to decals. > >Chris >VTR > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 10:32:19 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11585 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:31:28 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:31:26 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:20:56 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Subject: Daytona Bike Week 2000 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Haven't been there in a few years, but I'll throw in my recollections as a six-time attendee. I doubt it's changed too much. Mark asks: 1. Where to stay? Something nice even, since my girlfriend will be there. A: If you want something nice, you're gonna have to stay out of town. Or at least not on the main drag (A1A?). H-D used to put us up at the older Holiday Inn there, and it was a hole. Remember, this strip is prime puking-drunk-frat-boy-on-spring-break territory. I'd stay nearer the track, especially since the traffic from the beach to the track puts DC to shame. If you're planning to go to the Speedway every day, I'd think it'd be easier to stay "out" near the track and come "in" at night for the Main Street-type "festivities." 2. How hard are Daytona 200 tickets to get? Do I need to order them now? A: Since the 200 doesn't fill the stands, I doubt if it's hard to get tickets. But if you can get them ahead of time, why not? (By the way, if you have a Harley, HOG Heaven on the chicane is a great place to watch the race) Maybe the AMA has a deal for members. Check www.ama-cycle.org. Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 10:32:38 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11594 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:31:37 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:31:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:24:40 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Subject: Dayton II -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline As long as you don't try to squeeze it into the little space in front of The Boot Hill, you should be fine. There are some places further away from the Main Street area that attract more of the sporty crowd, and you'll know 'em when you see 'em. >>> - 8/26/99 6:36 PM >>> One more thing...how much of a Harley event is this? Can I ride my VFR around without getting as crap? Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 10:34:44 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11612 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:34:06 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:34:04 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:34:01 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rosenc@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Really? This being America, where you're "innocent until proven guilty?" >>> "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" - 8/27/99 7:02 AM >>> Problem is if they are like the red light cameras then they get your tag from the rear. Then you have to prove that you were not operating you vehicle if you decide to fight it. Glenn >Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 11:24:46 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12482 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11KNnB-00067q-00; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:19:49 -0400 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00542; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re:The best thing for grips Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:21:57 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bef09f$e7065210$afc809c0@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I used to use hairspray for grips on my mtn bike, but found that getting the bike wet (i.e. flipping over a rock in a creek) would reactivate the hairspray residue. I now use brake cleaner. It also dries extremely fast but doesn't have the residue. Jay From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 11:29:41 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12570 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990827152909.8425.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:29:09 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Dayton II -Reply To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And on the main drag of A1A there's a Crystal's (Krystal's?) Diner that fills its parking lot with sportbikes. I felt pretty comfortable leaving my CBR F3 among all the more expensive machinery while I explored the strip. Sean Sullivan --- JOE NAGY wrote: > As long as you don't try to squeeze it into the > little space in front of > The Boot Hill, you should be fine. There are some > places further away > from the Main Street area that attract more of the > sporty crowd, and > you'll know 'em when you see 'em. > > >>> - 8/26/99 6:36 > PM >>> > One more thing...how much of a Harley event is this? > Can I ride my VFR > around without getting as crap? > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the > person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination > or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this > information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is > prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete > the material from > any > computer. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 11:44:23 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12885 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C565@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rosenc@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:42:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Yep, that's the way it is. The really bad news is (at least with the red light cameras) is that they have 3 years to mail you the ticket! Who the hell can remember exactly what they were doing one year ago (on an exact date) much less 3 years.1 Glenn >Really? This being America, where you're "innocent until proven >guilty?" >>> "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" - 8/27/99 7:02 AM >>> Problem is if they are like the red light cameras then they get your tag from the rear. Then you have to prove that you were not operating you vehicle if you decide to fight it. >Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 11:53:38 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13089 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA05126 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA14255; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:56:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:56:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management cc: "'dcc'" Subject: Re: The best thing for grips In-Reply-To: <000a01bef074$ef01d5a0$2714fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > I have always used hairspray. Thats what bicycle shops use and they put on a > lot of grips. Slides on easy, dries relatively fast. I used the Windex [snip] I use spraypaint. Same idea--dries fast and stays put. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 11:54:15 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13100 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-243-249.s249.tnt11.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.243.249]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id LAA09185; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:54:04 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 99 11:48:35 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Dayton II -Reply To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, Sean Sullivan X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii This may be wrong, but I think the Crystals is now a Wendy's, and this past march they were definately herding the sportbikes out of the parking lot. Is the place up on a hill somewhat, with a large lot below? If so, thats the place I am thinking of. Probably 150 sportbikes were there and a bunch of police showed up and got everyone moving along. That said, we were never bothered (two vfr's and a katana), and saw a number of sportbikes, even parked on main street. Most of the local ones are stretched for dragging, but not all by any means. Even saw a RC-45 in street clothes that the local we were with said he saw all the time. Like someone else said, don't take the traditional spots(boothill and such), and don't start talking about how great your rice burner is, and so on, and you should have no problem-most people we saw were just like "you rode down from cleveland? Cool. Nice bikes". You can't imagine the sheer number of bikes there, or the noise. greg --- On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Sean Sullivan wrote: > And on the main drag of A1A there's a Crystal's >(Krystal's?) Diner that fills its parking lot with >sportbikes. I felt pretty comfortable leaving my CBR >F3 among all the more expensive machinery while I >explored the strip. > Sean Sullivan > >--- JOE NAGY wrote: >> As long as you don't try to squeeze it into the >> little space in front of >> The Boot Hill, you should be fine. There are some >> places further away >> from the Main Street area that attract more of the >> sporty crowd, and >> you'll know 'em when you see 'em. >> >> >>> - 8/26/99 6:36 >> PM >>> >> One more thing...how much of a Harley event is this? >> Can I ride my VFR >> around without getting as crap? >> >> Mark >> >---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the >> person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential >> and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination >> or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this >> information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is >> prohibited. If you >> received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete >> the material from >> any >> computer. >> >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 8/27/99 HSTA/AMA 11:48:35 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 11:58:52 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13177 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-117-235.s235.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.235]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27601 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701bef084$0aeb61a0$2714fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Re:The best thing for grips Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:02:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Ooops! I forgot to mention I use grip glue once they are on! Sort of a grip glue/hairspray cocktail. Without glue I imagine they would fall off, but with grip glue they are on solid, through water, mud, nuclear holocaust, ect. JKB >I used to use hairspray for grips on my mtn bike, but found that getting the >bike wet (i.e. flipping over a rock in a creek) would reactivate the >hairspray residue. I now use brake cleaner. It also dries extremely fast >but doesn't have the residue. > >Jay > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 12:33:24 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13824 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:32:23 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:32:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:31:55 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re:The best thing for grips -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Why not just slide 'em on with the grip glue? Works for me. Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 13:26:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14762 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19610 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05316 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id fTGCa20496 (4587); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:25:30 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX, mjay@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 8/27/99 9:58:26 AM, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX writes: >You know it funny I've thought of this same thing except shimmying up the >pole with a can of spray paint. that's better cause you can sneak up on it ... they have these speeding cameras in Germany - they take a picture that gets your front license plate AND the face of the driver.... but I founf most people would learn where the cameras were (not hard to spot), slow down in front of it, and speed up again after ... just like seeing a cop on the road Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 13:36:40 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14995 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA23340; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:37:08 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022423; Fri, 27 Aug 99 13:35:48 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH400DD1X0806@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567DA.00608389 ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:34:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:33:24 -0400 Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567DA.00607A37.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It also takes away the goal of cops tagging speeders and slowing them down to avoid further pont infractions. You could get three tix before you even knew you got one and WHAM 12 points off your license ... never even knew you had to be "careful". --chris To: 'JOE NAGY' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rosenc@XXXXXX cc: From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" Date: 08/27/99 03:42:18 PM GMT Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply Yep, that's the way it is. The really bad news is (at least with the red light cameras) is that they have 3 years to mail you the ticket! Who the hell can remember exactly what they were doing one year ago (on an exact date) much less 3 years.1 Glenn >Really? This being America, where you're "innocent until proven >guilty?" >>> "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" - 8/27/99 7:02 AM >>> Problem is if they are like the red light cameras then they get your tag from the rear. Then you have to prove that you were not operating you vehicle if you decide to fight it. >Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 13:55:52 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15311 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA12124 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:54:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply In-Reply-To: <852567DA.00607A37.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > You could get three tix before you even knew you got one and WHAM 12 points > off your license ... never even knew you had to be "careful". They'd prob handle it just the same as they do the "red light cams" here in Alexandria (City of, not Fairfax Co). No points, just a $50 fine. Hmm... what was it I said about revenue being the more important issue for counties? ;) - Brian ---- Brian Roach | Bug? What bug? Software Engineer | Oh that? That's a feature. Host Development | I'll be changing the implementation America Online, Inc | next week... From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 14:04:59 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15501 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FH40001MXSFPE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:55:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA13973; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:56:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990827175522.BJKR22082@toddnt>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:55:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:52:45 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply In-reply-to: <852567DA.00607A37.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001201bef0b4$f79d4010$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal As I understood it, no points are issued even if you agree to pay without a fight. What I'd really like to know though is under what statute/authority does the state/local/federal law enforcement have the right to extort money from its citizens like this. As I understand the program, you are not being charged with any crime/infraction, but you are expected to pay the amount listed if you receive notice. The threat of not paying is...what? You lose your license or something? For what? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:33 PM > To: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply > > > It also takes away the goal of cops tagging speeders and slowing them down > to avoid further pont infractions. > > You could get three tix before you even knew you got one and WHAM > 12 points > off your license ... never even knew you had to be "careful". > > --chris > > To: 'JOE NAGY' , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rosenc@XXXXXX > cc: > From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > Date: 08/27/99 03:42:18 PM GMT > Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply > > > > > Yep, that's the way it is. The really bad news is (at least with the red > light cameras) is that they have 3 years to mail you the ticket! Who the > hell can remember exactly what they were doing one year ago (on an exact > date) much less 3 years.1 > > Glenn > > > > >Really? This being America, where you're "innocent until proven > >guilty?" > > >>> "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" - 8/27/99 7:02 > AM >>> > Problem is if they are like the red light cameras then they get your tag > from the rear. Then you have to prove that you were not operating you > vehicle if you decide to fight it. > > > > >Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 14:06:17 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15580 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02802 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:08:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199908271708.NAA02802@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:03:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Got to love those speeding cameras... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C565@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) I've lived in Germany for a number of years where these traffic cameras are in widespread use. Even in Germany, where road sign hunting is not the state sport, [ W.V. seems to come in to mind] and most of the signs you find aren't riddles with bullet holes or marred from shot- gun blasts, people have tried to ( mostly unsuccessfuly ) to destroy these cameras. The one story is of a man who drove by one of these cameras on his way to and from work everyday. [ The majority of speed cameras you find over there are within the city limits to enforce the ~35 or 45 mph (50 to 70 km Collin) urban speed limits.] Anyway, this guy was constantly getting his picture taken by this one camera, and after receiving a number of tickets, he decided to take matters into his own hands. Apparently, at his wits end, he decided to take out the camera with his shot-gun in a "drive by". Well, as the story goes, the next day he drove by with his shot-gun hanging out the window firing away, but with one slight problem. He ended up driving by too fast and, before he could take out the camera, it took his picture (again). Sure enough, there he was, a wonderful picture of his license plate, his car, and him hanging out the window with his rifle! The reason I know about this is that the local traffic police thought this was so funny, they ended up releasing the the camera's picture to the local paper with and a short story. No lie. -John Newman 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 15:19:00 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17107 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:16:22 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C576@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:16:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I think that will happen here too. Speaking of those cameras I see they have installed one now at Columbia Pike and Glebe Road... right in front of the Chevy dealership. Also noticed on Duke street in Alexandria they have a sign up that says "Red light checked by camera" but there are no cameras in sight. I'm wondering if they have reached their limit of cameras for the area and are now sticking up these signs as an alternative, figuring that most people wouldn't know what the camera even looks like. And when I speak of "reaching their limit" I mean the original law in VA for red light cameras restricts them to only 25 per metropolitan area. In other words Northern VA can only have a TOTAL of 25, Richmond can have 25, and the Tidewater area can have 25. The law clearly states they are not allowed in other parts of the state. Glenn >You know it funny I've thought of this same thing except shimmying up the >pole with a can of spray paint. >that's better cause you can sneak up on it ... they have these speeding >cameras in Germany - they take a picture that gets your front license plate >AND the face of the driver.... but I founf most people would learn where the >cameras were (not hard to spot), slow down in front of it, and speed up again >after ... just like seeing a cop on the road From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 15:31:59 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17364 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-50.patriot.net [209.249.180.50]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15918; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:31:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37C6E68E.30026797@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:27:10 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance after rain References: <000801bef08d$32d1ae50$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <4.2.0.58.19990827094917.00c562a0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The entire bike was new - and I followed all the OEM rules Re lubing. When it croaked the dealer sez $80 bucks for an O-ring and $30 for regular chain. Plus you had to drop the swing arm to put on the O-ring. I chose the basic chain and it outlasted the OEM O-ring. Now I have a belt - no lube - no continious adjustment - no gook on the wheel - no chain howl - etc etc... Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > At 09:32 AM 8/27/99 , Bill Huson wrote: > >So it seems. My only O-ring was toast at around 10K. Even with rec lube the > >O-rings crumbled - possibly from the heat of running superslabs to FL. It > >stretched - stretched, and stretched some more. I cut it off and got a regular > >chain. > > Did you put it on new sprockets? I had an o-ring chain wear that fast when > I used old sprockets (ONCE!), and I've never had an o-ring chain on new > sprockets wear that fast. > > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, Virginia > 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 15:41:15 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17480 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-50.patriot.net [209.249.180.50]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16744; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:40:20 -0400 Message-ID: <37C6E887.F0260718@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:35:35 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rosenc@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C565@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A guy recieved a ticket in the mail with the Red Light camara pic and a bill for $20. He sent a color photocopy of a $20 bill back. A week or so later he gets mail from the law ... A picture of a pair of handcuffs :-) Hey, good to know Smokey has a sense of humor. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 16:42:56 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18619 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990827204249.22952.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.66] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:42:49 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Charles L. Rosen'" , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There goes the presumed innocent theory. "someone was driving your property illegally, we'll just assume it was you, pay up!" Someone wanna tell me why speed limit laws are never on the refferendum? Or dare I ask? --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Problem is if they are like the red light cameras then they get > your tag > from the rear. Then you have to prove that you were not operating > you > vehicle if you decide to fight it. > > Glenn > > > > >Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 17:00:30 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18972 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990827210026.20882.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.66] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:00:26 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL uncontrollably! NOW THAT IS FUNNY! --- Bill Huson wrote: > A guy recieved a ticket in the mail with the Red Light camara pic > and a bill > for $20. He sent a color photocopy of a $20 bill back. A week or so > later he > gets mail from the law ... > > A picture of a pair of handcuffs :-) > > Hey, good to know Smokey has a sense of humor. > > Bill > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 20:20:00 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA22244 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990828002023.14287.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:20:23 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Seems to me that all you need to mask is one digit, maybe two. Seems that would be less conspicuous, and just as effective. Thoughts? -- tg --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Well I've had mine on the cage now for well over a > year without any word of > it. I even got pulled over for speeding and the cop > said nothing about the > tag cover. Remember that these covers look "OK" > straight on, its only from > side angles that they blank out the tag. > > Glenn > > > > >License plate covers like that fool the camera, but > they don't fool > >cops. Any license plate cover is illegal in > Virginia - of course it's > >tolerated to some extent. But why put a highly > visible accessory on the > >bike that guarantees any cop can pull you over in a > heartbeat? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 27 21:15:17 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23128 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-50.patriot.net [209.249.180.50]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA14673; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:13:38 -0400 Message-ID: <37C7369E.5B3BE58A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:08:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy References: <19990828002023.14287.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All these ideas, including my humorous suggestion, are rather ludicrious. The feds have made no secret about the cameras, and they aren't concealed. The obvious solution is don't speed. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > Seems to me that all you need to mask is one digit, > maybe two. > > Seems that would be less conspicuous, and just as > effective. Thoughts? > > -- > tg > > --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > wrote: > > Well I've had mine on the cage now for well over a > > year without any word of > > it. I even got pulled over for speeding and the cop > > said nothing about the > > tag cover. Remember that these covers look "OK" > > straight on, its only from > > side angles that they blank out the tag. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > >License plate covers like that fool the camera, but > > they don't fool > > >cops. Any license plate cover is illegal in > > Virginia - of course it's > > >tolerated to some extent. But why put a highly > > visible accessory on the > > >bike that guarantees any cop can pull you over in a > > heartbeat? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 03:40:46 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA03203 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990828074042.23647.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.66] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:40:42 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:40:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And if you got pulled over, you might get charged with forgery or something jailable. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > Seems to me that all you need to mask is one digit, > maybe two. > > Seems that would be less conspicuous, and just as > effective. Thoughts? > > -- > tg > > --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > wrote: > > Well I've had mine on the cage now for well over a > > year without any word of > > it. I even got pulled over for speeding and the cop > > said nothing about the > > tag cover. Remember that these covers look "OK" > > straight on, its only from > > side angles that they blank out the tag. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > >License plate covers like that fool the camera, but > > they don't fool > > >cops. Any license plate cover is illegal in > > Virginia - of course it's > > >tolerated to some extent. But why put a highly > > visible accessory on the > > >bike that guarantees any cop can pull you over in a > > heartbeat? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 09:33:55 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08963 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA06445 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01bef15a$6e910120$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: <19990828002023.14287.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Subject: Who's the Mystery Man?? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:37:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hey, look at the sexy dancing dude! : ) http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081/discoking.jpg hee hee hee - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 09:55:12 1999 Return-Path: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09281 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:55:10 -0400 (EDT) From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Received: from TZimm2450@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2UZPa28691 (4390) for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8b3f9e04.24f94410@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:54:24 EDT Subject: Go-Kart Racing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Hey, I have heard that there is go-cart racing in the Northern Virginia Area. I'm trying to find out some information on this and would appreciate any leads. I'm referring to carts that use 100cc engines that are bored out to about 125 and reach speeds of 50 to 75 mph. I've seen some of the carts at the Manassas Mall about a year ago and wondered if there is any racing in this area. Do they race out at summit Point? That would be a kicken track to race on. Trevor 98YZF600 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 13:55:56 1999 Return-Path: genna@XXXXXX Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13932 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc636515a ([24.3.39.108]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990828175553.SDM20194.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc636515a>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:55:53 -0700 Message-ID: <002201bef17e$9105c3c0$6c270318@owml1.md.home.com> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "DC CYCLE CLUB" , References: <199908281641.JAA28723@lists1.best.com> Subject: paint and pain Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:55:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, While I was waiting for my new bike cover to come by mail, my mother did a very nice thing for me. She covered bike with plastic cover :(. I knew that this could lead to bad thing, but i never knew how bad. Of course it had to rain like crazy. Plastic got wet and stuck to the paint. When i took it off, clear coat was pretty much gone on most parts of the bike. All that she could say was, "I'm sorry, i was trying to help" So, now I'm faced with some choices for repair: 1. Repair the paint.......I don't know if this is possible 2. Repaint the whole thing. This is more expensive, but i get to choose the color. Any advice, ideas? Anyone knows someone that can do a good job on paint(either repair or repaint) here in Maryland? Genna Melamed '98 VTR 1000 S. Hawk (was RED) genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 14:12:48 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14269 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990828181138.6700.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.173] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:11:38 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Bill Huson Cc: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You call that a friggin' solution? You're no fun. BTW, Bill, I've been meaning to ask you a question.... is bikertees.com your own business? If so, thanks. Satisfied customer here. --- Bill Huson wrote: > > The obvious solution is don't speed. > > Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 14:17:50 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14380 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990828181815.7906.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.173] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:18:15 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Forgery? What are you talking about? Maybe Hindering and Obstructing (a major stretch), but forgery? Where's the signature here? And jailable? Not a chance unless the original offense allows for it. --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > And if you got pulled over, you might get charged > with forgery > or something jailable. > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > Seems to me that all you need to mask is one > digit, > > maybe two. > > > > Seems that would be less conspicuous, and just as > > effective. Thoughts? > > > > -- > > tg > > > > --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > > wrote: > > > Well I've had mine on the cage now for well over > a > > > year without any word of > > > it. I even got pulled over for speeding and the > cop > > > said nothing about the > > > tag cover. Remember that these covers look "OK" > > > straight on, its only from > > > side angles that they blank out the tag. > > > > > > Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 16:39:30 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16658 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:38:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: dishwashing soap Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:38:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain The best thing I've found for attaching rubber thingies, such as grips, is alcohol. Isopropanol (70%) is good, 95% ethanol (shellac thinner) is better. Use it as an lubricant to slip stuff on. It evaporates pretty quickly. To remove thingy without cutting, use a dropper to squirt more of same under the thingy. Twist, make faces, squirt more alcohol underneath, repeat as needed. Someone posted: "However, I think the use of dishwashing soap for changing hand grips may not be the best way to go. I now use clear RTV silicone to mount the inevitably ill-fitting reproduction foot peg rubbers. For handgrips I have always used a light schmear of liquid car wax. They stay on nice and tight, but you can still get them off without too much trouble." Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 18:48:11 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19376 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-17.patriot.net [209.249.180.17]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05637; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:48:06 -0400 Message-ID: <37C86606.41131D0@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:43:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy References: <19990828181815.7906.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Altering a plate is an offense. I had a tink race boat decal for a hyphen on my old tag that displayed my race number. The state trooper siad that was okay `cause it didn't *alter* the actual identification. Another dude - obviously a fellow math geek - had DY DX and made it into DY/DX. No problem there either. But screw with the number ID and y`all we be looking at a ticket. Bill SO-16E (retired tag) Tom Gimer wrote: > Forgery? What are you talking about? > > Maybe Hindering and Obstructing (a major stretch), but > forgery? Where's the signature here? And jailable? > Not a chance unless the original offense allows for > it. > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > And if you got pulled over, you might get charged > > with forgery > > or something jailable. > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Seems to me that all you need to mask is one > > digit, > > > maybe two. > > > > > > Seems that would be less conspicuous, and just as > > > effective. Thoughts? > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > > > > --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > > > wrote: > > > > Well I've had mine on the cage now for well over > > a > > > > year without any word of > > > > it. I even got pulled over for speeding and the > > cop > > > > said nothing about the > > > > tag cover. Remember that these covers look "OK" > > > > straight on, its only from > > > > side angles that they blank out the tag. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 18:55:42 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19459 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-17.patriot.net [209.249.180.17]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05415; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:42:27 -0400 Message-ID: <37C864B3.2A6AE485@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:37:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy References: <19990828181138.6700.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope to the T-shirt bizz - I'm a self employed searcher. bikertees was a websurfing find. I was gonna order one for my lady but she nixed the idea. Wimp, Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > You call that a friggin' solution? You're no fun. > > BTW, Bill, I've been meaning to ask you a question.... > is bikertees.com your own business? If so, thanks. > Satisfied customer here. > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > > The obvious solution is don't speed. > > > > Bill > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 28 23:05:25 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23296 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990829030430.25019.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.175] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:04:30 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The reason I asked is because it's an Alexandria company. Dare I guess which shirt? --- Bill Huson wrote: > Nope to the T-shirt bizz - I'm a self employed > searcher. bikertees was a > websurfing find. I was gonna order one for my lady > but she nixed the > idea. Wimp, > > Bill > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > You call that a friggin' solution? You're no fun. > > > > BTW, Bill, I've been meaning to ask you a > question.... > > is bikertees.com your own business? If so, > thanks. > > Satisfied customer here. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 00:09:51 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24483 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11416 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1999 04:09:53 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 04:09:52 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA18874; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:06:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:06:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199908290406.AAA18874@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Maintenance after rain On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:08:04 -0400 Todd Peer wrote: >Bill, I think you have it backwards. I always thought the o-ring type >chains are more maintenance free. The o-ring forms a seal at the rollers >which hold in lubrication and repel dust/water/dirt etc. The o-ring keeps lube in the chain. It does nothing about the wear caused by the metal-to-metal contact of the chain w/the sprockets. That's what the lube is for. >I have used PJ-1 Blue and HondaLube on my 0-ring type chains, but I am >dubious about how much extended life I've gotten out of them. And over >time, they leave a gooey mess where ever the lube can fly off the chain. >I've been through 2 chains on my CB-750, o-ring type and both were pretty >much through at around 19,000 miles. The one I just recently replaced will >not receive these special lubes. Simple WD-40 is all it will get, just to >keep it from rusting. Maxima Chain Wax. Best stuff on Earth. Goes on w/out much overspray,then sets up overnight as a waxy coating. Won't wash off in even monsoon-level rain. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 00:15:39 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24639 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14604 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1999 04:15:47 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 04:15:47 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19225; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:12:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:12:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199908290412.AAA19225@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: >, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:A Great Bumpersticker Offer-MC/Safety Related I've seen another good one on Yahoo's freebie list. It's one of those 1-800-how's my driving type. But you put either 'mom' or 'dad' in the call block with your phone/pager/vm/whatever number. Put it on Jr's wheels and you'll know what he's been up to. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 00:19:40 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24649 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16672 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1999 04:19:44 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 04:19:44 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19450; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:15:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:15:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199908290415.AAA19450@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:20:48 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >How about paint ball guns? And a passenger with a dead-eye. >See camera - aim - *splat* Better idea:radar-seeking missiles. Anyone got an addy for "Q"? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 04:33:33 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29455 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990829083329.17706.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.66] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:33:29 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:33:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I was pulled over by the federal cop that sits on the b/w parkway on the MD side right over the dc line, I had VA plates at the time. I think I had like a yellow blank paper or something on the dash which could be confused as an inspection sticker.. The officer let me go with all warnings, but one of them was don't make your own inspection sticker, or you could be charged with forging a gov't document, and be taken to jail instead of just getting the $25 ticket of not having the sticker. Now I would think a similiar approach could be taken if you altered your tag. Keep in mind cops do what they want to do, unless you have a lawyer present. If you have an altered tag on your vehicle, and if he wants to arrest you, he'll probably do it. It's just not a good idea to try to beat the radar photos that way IMO. Besides where's your sense of fighting back.. destroy the camera it's more fun! hehe j/k I'll have to agree: slow down for a stretch. Daniel 91 250 ninja --- Tom Gimer wrote: > Forgery? What are you talking about? > > Maybe Hindering and Obstructing (a major stretch), but > forgery? Where's the signature here? And jailable? > Not a chance unless the original offense allows for > it. > > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > And if you got pulled over, you might get charged > > with forgery > > or something jailable. > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Seems to me that all you need to mask is one > > digit, > > > maybe two. > > > > > > Seems that would be less conspicuous, and just as > > > effective. Thoughts? > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > > > > --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > > > wrote: > > > > Well I've had mine on the cage now for well over > > a > > > > year without any word of > > > > it. I even got pulled over for speeding and the > > cop > > > > said nothing about the > > > > tag cover. Remember that these covers look "OK" > > > > straight on, its only from > > > > side angles that they blank out the tag. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 04:36:24 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29534 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990829083622.17866.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.66] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:36:22 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:36:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > Forgery? What are you talking about? > > Maybe Hindering and Obstructing (a major stretch), but > forgery? Where's the signature here? And jailable? > Not a chance unless the original offense allows for > it. Oh btw you can have forgery without a signature involved, and maybe they would also charge you with attempting to evade the police, which is an offence they arrest for. > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > And if you got pulled over, you might get charged > > with forgery > > or something jailable. > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Seems to me that all you need to mask is one > > digit, > > > maybe two. > > > > > > Seems that would be less conspicuous, and just as > > > effective. Thoughts? > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > > > > --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > > > wrote: > > > > Well I've had mine on the cage now for well over > > a > > > > year without any word of > > > > it. I even got pulled over for speeding and the > > cop > > > > said nothing about the > > > > tag cover. Remember that these covers look "OK" > > > > straight on, its only from > > > > side angles that they blank out the tag. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 07:13:50 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01923 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-42.patriot.net [209.249.180.42]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA29735; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:13:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37C914C4.A9B1BC5D@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:08:53 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy References: <19990829030430.25019.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Alexandria? I must have been giggling so hard I missed that. Shirt? Clue - implies an act which is a felony in VA :-) Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > The reason I asked is because it's an Alexandria > company. > > Dare I guess which shirt? > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Nope to the T-shirt bizz - I'm a self employed > > searcher. bikertees was a > > websurfing find. I was gonna order one for my lady > > but she nixed the > > idea. Wimp, > > > > Bill > > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 11:19:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05415 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:19:11 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA12498; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:19:47 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012122; Sun, 29 Aug 99 11:19:21 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FH800JQIG1781@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567DC.005408FB ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:17:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:16:49 -0400 Subject: RE: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <852567DC.0053FEA5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Personally, I don't have as much a problem with the red light cameras ... I loath red light runners. Speed cameras suck. What do you all think about what Herndon is doing ... putting in sensors that when you exceed the posted speed limit all traffic lights turn red? Atleast that is pro-active enforcement of speed, not money collection. --chris To: 'DC Cycles' cc: From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" Date: 08/27/99 07:16:28 PM GMT Subject: RE: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) I think that will happen here too. Speaking of those cameras I see they have installed one now at Columbia Pike and Glebe Road... right in front of the Chevy dealership. Also noticed on Duke street in Alexandria they have a sign up that says "Red light checked by camera" but there are no cameras in sight. I'm wondering if they have reached their limit of cameras for the area and are now sticking up these signs as an alternative, figuring that most people wouldn't know what the camera even looks like. And when I speak of "reaching their limit" I mean the original law in VA for red light cameras restricts them to only 25 per metropolitan area. In other words Northern VA can only have a TOTAL of 25, Richmond can have 25, and the Tidewater area can have 25. The law clearly states they are not allowed in other parts of the state. Glenn >You know it funny I've thought of this same thing except shimmying up the >pole with a can of spray paint. >that's better cause you can sneak up on it ... they have these speeding >cameras in Germany - they take a picture that gets your front license plate >AND the face of the driver.... but I founf most people would learn where the >cameras were (not hard to spot), slow down in front of it, and speed up again >after ... just like seeing a cop on the road ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 15:05:06 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08857 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vFLUa22972 (4539); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4361a7de.24fade35@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:04:21 EDT Subject: Re: RE: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 8/29/99 11:24:15 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: >putting in sensors >that when you exceed the posted speed limit all traffic lights turn red? I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it has yet to be proven that the established speed limits of 55 and occassionally 65 are actually any safer ... or am I confusing this idea with the debates over whether to increase from 55 to 65? !!! :D Personally, I think ALL government monitoring of my comings and goings when I have not been proven guilty of any crimes is WRONG WRONG WRONG. I mean, why don't they just get it over with and implant chips in all newborn babies, thus being able to track everyone's every move. Crime would be impossible because the "system" would know where everyone is at all times and what they are doing. Utopia, no? (No.) Marcy From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 17:20:03 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10808 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990829211853.10143.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.179] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:18:53 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > ?Alexandria? I must have been giggling so hard I > missed that. Package label had Alexandria as the return address. Didn't see it on the website. > Shirt? Clue - implies an act which is a felony in VA > :-) Ahh...the 'Lick Me 'Til I Scream' shirt. Classy. I got my 'I F on the First Date' shirt for my trips down to 'America's Finest Family Resort.' No joke here...that's OC's posted slogan. HA! > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > The reason I asked is because it's an Alexandria > > company. > > > > Dare I guess which shirt? > > > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > Nope to the T-shirt bizz - I'm a self employed > > > searcher. bikertees was a > > > websurfing find. I was gonna order one for my > > > lady but she nixed the idea. Wimp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 29 21:19:40 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14818 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id VAA02422; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:18:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:18:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: TZimm2450@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Go-Kart Racing In-Reply-To: <8b3f9e04.24f94410@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Trevor - Yes, they race karts at summit :) They even have some capable of hitting 120mph (And people say us motorcycle racers are crazy!!). The races at summit are held by the Woodbridge Kart club... http://www.woodbridgekartclub.org Also, Mannassas (Old Dominion) speedway (short oval track) runs the little "mini cup" and "mini sprint" karts. These are the little karts that look like Winston Cup stock cars and World Of Outlaw sprints. I think they use like 5hp motors or something, not sure. - Brian On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 TZimm2450@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey, I have heard that there is go-cart racing in the Northern Virginia Area. > I'm trying to find out some information on this and would appreciate any > leads. I'm referring to carts that use 100cc engines that are bored out to > about 125 and reach speeds of 50 to 75 mph. I've seen some of the carts at > the Manassas Mall about a year ago and wondered if there is any racing in > this area. Do they race out at summit Point? That would be a kicken track > to race on. > > Trevor 98YZF600 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 01:28:05 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA19418 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA24776; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:31:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:31:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone I met is looking for a bike: 500-650cc standard in good mechanical condition, $1000-1500. Anyone got one for sale? I'll forward your email to her. Thanx. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 08:22:17 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26987 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:22:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Riding gear.. Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:22:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hey all.. Well, my luck strikes again.. I was off having dinner on Thursday with a friend, and had my Vanson jacket stolen... Seeing as that leaves me with no gear, I guess I've been forced into the market. I've had a Stich before.. really liked the versatility and comfort - didn't like the price and it had a couple small quality issues. Loved my Vanson with the exception of it was a style not suited to the rider being leaned forward (cut to high in the back), had no armor or venting. I know there are arguments for both sides.. but what do you all think will meet my requirements best? I want something that has armor, can be attached to pants (should I buy them later), be suited to the 'sportier' riding position to which I've adopted. I'm in a toss-up over whether or not to look for something that's suited to year round riding, or pick up a 'winter' and 'summer' pieces (I am moving to Arizona in a months time). Water proof is always nice, but water resistant I can live with. I can make arguments FOR both.. and I'm just looking for some other peoples inputs and impressions... Thanks, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 08:25:21 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27037 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHA00CKN2H74T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:24:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA27144 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990830122442.DSWM28646@[166.41.251.160]> for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:24:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:22:16 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Who's the Mystery Man?? In-reply-to: <000c01bef15a$6e910120$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000001bef2e2$4c32c940$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal You could've at least blown it up to show the five babes I was mesmerizing ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 9:37 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Who's the Mystery Man?? > > > Hey, look at the sexy dancing dude! : ) > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081/discoking.jpg > > hee hee hee > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 08:27:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27127 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12484 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04584 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA03831 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:30:46 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Pictures from 8/29 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:29:46 -0400 Message-ID: <006801bef2e3$58640340$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=45730&a=561305 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 08:35:20 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27289 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830123554.16692.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.172] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:35:54 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Riding gear.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Seems like a no-brainer, Brain....if you're willing to spend +/- $500. Vanson Avenger with perforated front panels, or (because you're moving to hot weather) the entire jacket perforated (I'm not certain that it doesn't have a different name when it's constructed like this). Where'd you leave the jacket that some maggot was able to steal it? --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Hey all.. Well, my luck strikes again.. I was off > having dinner on > Thursday with a friend, and had my Vanson jacket > stolen... Seeing as that > leaves me with no gear, I guess I've been forced > into the market. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 08:35:38 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27298 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FHA009932XZN7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:34:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA29277; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:36:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990830123447.DUPL28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:34:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:32:21 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: RE: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) In-reply-to: <4361a7de.24fade35@aol.com> To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000201bef2e3$b48e3870$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I think Marcy may have over-reacted/dramatized a little, but the sense of what she is saying I agree with. Anyway, the idea of sensors as a means of controlling traffic, especially in an urban area, to me sounds much more sensible than hiding those peek-a-boo camaras. And as Chris says, it is a proactive stand against a real problem. I don't see these types of sensors as a civil liberties afront, just a way to stem a problem. The problem with red light runners is that they can stem your civil liberties for good. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 8/29/99 11:24:15 AM, > christopher.meier@XXXXXX > writes: > > >putting in sensors > >that when you exceed the posted speed limit all traffic lights turn red? > > I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it has yet to be proven > that the > established speed limits of 55 and occassionally 65 are actually > any safer > ... or am I confusing this idea with the debates over whether to > increase > from 55 to 65? !!! :D > > Personally, I think ALL government monitoring of my comings and > goings when I > have not been proven guilty of any crimes is WRONG WRONG WRONG. > > I mean, why don't they just get it over with and implant chips in > all newborn > babies, thus being able to track everyone's every move. Crime would be > impossible because the "system" would know where everyone is at > all times and > what they are doing. Utopia, no? (No.) > > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 09:03:39 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27729 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-199.patriot.net [209.249.180.199]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07683; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37CA7F94.B9235C79@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:56:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) References: <000201bef2e3$b48e3870$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sensors, as in transducers, allready exist. Race cars use them, and they have been proposed for race boats. No question about laps completed etc. Airplanes use them. It is within the rhealm of technology to quip all passenger cars with trnasducers and set up read stations on our hghways. The upside - automatic LoJac. Vehicle gets ripped and the law would be able to trace it. Downsides - many. I would feel *tethered* to a system that knows where I am and what I'm doing. I'm sure way to many folks would, and any attempt at equipping vehicles with such devices would be met with major resistance. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > I think Marcy may have over-reacted/dramatized a little, but the sense of > what she is saying I agree with. > > Anyway, the idea of sensors as a means of controlling traffic, especially in > an urban area, to me sounds much more sensible than hiding those peek-a-boo > camaras. And as Chris says, it is a proactive stand against a real problem. > I don't see these types of sensors as a civil liberties afront, just a way > to stem a problem. The problem with red light runners is that they can stem > your civil liberties for good. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > > > In a message dated 8/29/99 11:24:15 AM, > > christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > writes: > > > > >putting in sensors > > >that when you exceed the posted speed limit all traffic lights turn red? > > > > I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it has yet to be proven > > that the > > established speed limits of 55 and occassionally 65 are actually > > any safer > > ... or am I confusing this idea with the debates over whether to > > increase > > from 55 to 65? !!! :D > > > > Personally, I think ALL government monitoring of my comings and > > goings when I > > have not been proven guilty of any crimes is WRONG WRONG WRONG. > > > > I mean, why don't they just get it over with and implant chips in > > all newborn > > babies, thus being able to track everyone's every move. Crime would be > > impossible because the "system" would know where everyone is at > > all times and > > what they are doing. Utopia, no? (No.) > > > > Marcy > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 09:14:08 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27886 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:14:07 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA13407; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:14:40 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa12171; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:12:42 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHA00DKS4TMZI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567DD.00486941 ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:10:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:09:49 -0400 Subject: Re: RE: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567DD.00485E63.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Wow. I guess the terms sensors set off this paranoia? All I meant was that instead of traffic cameras that take your pic and ticket you, the city streets in Herndon (usually 25 or 30 mph zones) have a "device" that reads your speed and if you are exceeding the limit it turns the next traffic light red to slow you down. No harm, no foul. No sensor to track your movement or private activities, just a simple speed reading device that keeps you from going 50 in a residential area. The thing that is better about this system is that it has the effect of slowing you down without the usual ticket, coupled with the points and $$$. Again this is in residential areas not the open 65mph interstate, which last I checked had no traffic lights. --chris PS. I was informed in a private e-mail that these "devices" have been broken for a while anyways. To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: 08/29/99 07:04:21 PM GMT Subject: Re: RE: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) In a message dated 8/29/99 11:24:15 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: >putting in sensors >that when you exceed the posted speed limit all traffic lights turn red? I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it has yet to be proven that the established speed limits of 55 and occassionally 65 are actually any safer ... or am I confusing this idea with the debates over whether to increase from 55 to 65? !!! :D Personally, I think ALL government monitoring of my comings and goings when I have not been proven guilty of any crimes is WRONG WRONG WRONG. I mean, why don't they just get it over with and implant chips in all newborn babies, thus being able to track everyone's every move. Crime would be impossible because the "system" would know where everyone is at all times and what they are doing. Utopia, no? (No.) Marcy ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 10:09:31 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28753 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FHA00GDS74UV3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:05:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA32300; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:04:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990830140514.FDXO28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:05:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:02:47 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) In-reply-to: <37CA7F94.B9235C79@patriot.net> To: Bill Huson Cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000601bef2f0$56f4a8e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Well, I agree with you Bill. I would not want a 'sensor' in my vehicle. I guess I understood Chris to mean there was some device that could interpret the speed of a vehicle, outside of the vehicle. Like the radar camaras out there now, but instead of taking your picture they trigger the red light(s). I think its a good idea. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 8:57 AM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; christopher.meier@XXXXXX; > Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) > > > Sensors, as in transducers, allready exist. Race cars use them, > and they have > been proposed for race boats. No question about laps completed > etc. Airplanes > use them. It is within the rhealm of technology to quip all > passenger cars with > trnasducers and set up read stations on our hghways. The upside - > automatic > LoJac. Vehicle gets ripped and the law would be able to trace it. > Downsides - > many. I would feel *tethered* to a system that knows where I am > and what I'm > doing. I'm sure way to many folks would, and any attempt at > equipping vehicles > with such devices would be met with major resistance. > > Bill > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > I think Marcy may have over-reacted/dramatized a little, but > the sense of > > what she is saying I agree with. > > > > Anyway, the idea of sensors as a means of controlling traffic, > especially in > > an urban area, to me sounds much more sensible than hiding > those peek-a-boo > > camaras. And as Chris says, it is a proactive stand against a > real problem. > > I don't see these types of sensors as a civil liberties afront, > just a way > > to stem a problem. The problem with red light runners is that > they can stem > > your civil liberties for good. > > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 10:17:43 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28911 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:16:43 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:16:41 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:42:38 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Again, I wish we had a criminal laywer on the list. Seems like getting a ticket by machine would be something you could beat in court, given that you have a decent chance to beat a ticket written by an actual human. Not to mention that even a half-assed lawyer would be able to make the "due process" argument, i.e., innocent until proven guilty. Have a look at http://www.norman-law.com/page12.html, "How to beat a speeding ticket." He's got you in court, questioning everything from the radar gun's calibration to the officer's training on the unit. Hard for me to believe that you could be convicted by a damn machine (for speeding, not for running reds). Guess I was under the mistaken impression that this crap had already failed in court. On the other hand, this is Virginia. Maybe they think we're in Germany. Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 10:54:45 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29524 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA02872; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:54:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Garcia - Randy Moran is selling his Wife's Bandit 400. It's a nice, clean bike and would probably fit the bill nicely (He had it at Summit this weekend). I don't remember the price off the top of my head, sorry. He can be contacted at rajmoran@XXXXXX A (small) pic of the bike is at http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1247/images/bandi4s.jpg - Brian On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > Someone I met is looking for a bike: 500-650cc standard in good mechanical > condition, $1000-1500. Anyone got one for sale? > > I'll forward your email to her. > > Thanx. > > --garcia > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 11:18:12 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29932 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHA0063JAGEPF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:17:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA07130; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:18:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990830151644.GQIZ28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:16:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:14:17 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply In-reply-to: To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001101bef2fa$53bb4440$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal The problem is that you don't actually receive a citation that can be prosecuted as crime. When you receive your vehicles picture, it is made clear that by paying the fine you will not receive points nor will your record reflect a conviction (obviously since you aren't being tried). I asked this question earlier and got no answer. By what authority do federal/state/local officials have the right to issue fines such as these without due process? I would think none. Does anyone here have one of these fine notices? There should be some specified statute allowing this, clearly stated on the notice. If not, I just thought of a new scam. :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > > Again, I wish we had a criminal laywer on the list. Seems like getting > a ticket by machine would be something you could beat in court, given > that you have a decent chance to beat a ticket written by an actual > human. Not to mention that even a half-assed lawyer would be able to > make the "due process" argument, i.e., innocent until proven guilty. > Have a look at http://www.norman-law.com/page12.html, "How to beat a > speeding ticket." He's got you in court, questioning everything from > the radar gun's calibration to the officer's training on the unit. Hard > for me to believe that you could be convicted by a damn machine (for > speeding, not for running reds). Guess I was under the mistaken > impression that this crap had already failed in court. On the other > hand, this is Virginia. Maybe they think we're in Germany. > > Joe > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 11:34:05 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00293 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199908301131.AA79037134@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:14:17 -0400 There should be some specified statute allowing this, clearly stated on the notice. If not, I just thought of a new scam. :) -------------------------------------------------------------- A while ago, Tracy told me about how her company, Lockheed Martin, offered to provide the required technology & equipment to local jurisdictions in the area FOR FREE (!!!!) to send out these kind of bills to speeders/red light runners. Only catch was Lockheed wanted a cut of the profits. No joke. I actually think some groups seriously considered it for a while. The prospects of that kind of collarboration are bone-chilling.... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: Todd Peer Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:14:17 -0400 The problem is that you don't actually receive a citation that can be prosecuted as crime. When you receive your vehicles picture, it is made clear that by paying the fine you will not receive points nor will your record reflect a conviction (obviously since you aren't being tried). I asked this question earlier and got no answer. By what authority do federal/state/local officials have the right to issue fines such as these without due process? I would think none. Does anyone here have one of these fine notices? There should be some specified statute allowing this, clearly stated on the notice. If not, I just thought of a new scam. :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > > Again, I wish we had a criminal laywer on the list. Seems like getting > a ticket by machine would be something you could beat in court, given > that you have a decent chance to beat a ticket written by an actual > human. Not to mention that even a half-assed lawyer would be able to > make the "due process" argument, i.e., innocent until proven guilty. > Have a look at http://www.norman-law.com/page12.html, "How to beat a > speeding ticket." He's got you in court, questioning everything from > the radar gun's calibration to the officer's training on the unit. Hard > for me to believe that you could be convicted by a damn machine (for > speeding, not for running reds). Guess I was under the mistaken > impression that this crap had already failed in court. On the other > hand, this is Virginia. Maybe they think we're in Germany. > > Joe > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 13:41:23 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02302 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id dFDVa07437 (4320); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:38:40 EDT Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Big Brotherland Here We Come (was RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy) To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 8/30/99 8:40:44 AM, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: >I think Marcy may have over-reacted/dramatized a little, but the sense >of what she is saying I agree with. I was just trying to make a point :D I actually have no problem with stopping red-light runners either - they scare the hell out of me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 13:53:24 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02661 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830175346.19013.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:53:46 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > Oh btw you can have forgery without a signature > involved, and maybe they would also charge you with > attempting to evade the police, which is an offense > they arrest for. That was my hindering/obstructing suggestion...a far cry from fleeing and eluding (evading), though. The thing here is that we have a somewhat altered plate, not a fake. Straight-on it shows the proper tag number, but from an angle (where the camera has its view) the tag is unreadable. I think all the more serious offenses that have been mentioned are no-winners for Johnny L. There must be a regulation on the books which prohibits altering a tag in this manner. If there isn't, there will be. > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > > And if you got pulled over, you might get > charged > > > with forgery > > > or something jailable. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 14:04:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02848 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15300 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA15516 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA08261 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:04:24 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:04:24 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: FW: Bob Higdon's '99 Iron Butt comments Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:07:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This arrived in my mailbox this morning and I'm forwarding it to the group. The ride kicked off at 09:00 yesterday in Ojai, California and will wind up there in 11 days. This ride seperates the truly deranged from the mildly disturbed ;-) Read and enjoy - future episodes will be posted to the group (unless there is overwhelming opposition) Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: owner-iba@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-iba@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 05:14 Subject: Iron Butt Rally Ojai, California 8/29/99 - Day 0 Sender: owner-iba@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk This place has been like a war zone the day before a war comes to town. People chatter nervously without actually communicating any meaningful information. They go to bed late, get up early, and wander around aimlessly the rest of the time. On the way here Michael McDaniel and Carolyn DeMelo, riding two-up on a Ducati, stopped by a weddings-while-U-wait chapel on The Strip in Las Vegas and got married. Now really, is this not straight from the script of a 1942 war movie? In the next room I can almost hear someone singing "There'll Be Bluebirds over the White Cliffs of Dover." This is the second (and last) day of registration and tech inspection. Ninety-eight bikes will head for Kennewick, Washington tomorrow morning, a field 25% larger than that which took to the starting blocks in 1997. They come from places as far away as Great Britain, Germany, and Australia. For the first time Iron Butt rallymaster Mike Kneebone, like Queen Victoria before him, can legitimately claim that the sun never sets on his empire. Pat Widder, the king of electric clothes, opened his shop in this fern-bar town in the mountains of southern California to accommodate contestants and rally volunteers. Parking lots and alleys around the building have been swamped with some of the most exotic motorcycles imaginable. The high-tech craze has settled upon these riders with a fury. Global positioning satellite units are a dime a dozen --- even Leonard Aron's '46 Indian Chief has one --- as are auxillary fuel cells, notebook computers, monster driving lights, and mapping programs. Most of the machines in the rally are heavily prepared BMWs and Hondas, usually not more than a few years old. But there are aged and bizarre ones too --- Aron's Chief, the beautifully restored BMW R75/5s of Doug Jacobs and Kevin Chase (with odometers so primitive that they read only to the nearest mile), and Ken Hatton's hopelessly underpowered Suzuki GN125, essentially a hair dryer with wheels. He wants to be the smallest bike ever to finish this rally. I'm wondering how he's even going to climb through the mountains north of Ojai, much less push that little piglet around the entire United States. One of the truly competitive bikes --- Morris Kruemcke's Gold Wing --- had its picture in Motorcyclist magazine earlier this summer. It is justifiably famous. The machine carries, in addition to the customary warehouse of electronic weaponry, four 8" PIAA driving lights and a drain tube that enables Houston's favorite son to avoid stopping for nature's calls. Morris once rode this machine over 1,200 miles without putting his feet on the ground. If you go for a long trip with him, do what you can to stay in the lead. If the machines are tough, the machines' owners are even tougher. This is easily the finest group of riders ever to have entered the Iron Butt Rally. Three former winners of the IBR are here (Rick Morrison, Gary Eagan, and Ross Copas). The best rider never to have won a major rally, Peter Hoogeveen, returns after heartbreaking second place finishes in '91 and '97. The top three riders in the this year's five-day Butt Lite --- Eric Jewell, Gary Parece, and Richard Bernecker --- are ready to go, as are the two top finishers in the recent Where in the Hell Is Peter Heesch rally in Nevada. Virginia's Paul Taylor showed up yesterday on his BMW R1100GS. In his brief career he has run just three rallies, all on the east coast, but has won each one. Eddie James, Shane Smith, Mary Sue Johnson, Tom Loftus, Heinz Kugler, and Harold Brooks all were highly-placed IBR finishers two years ago. They've returned. So has Fran Crane, this time on her BMW K1200RS. I know of no steadier, more determined rider in this group of world-class contestants. Tonight former Iron Butt finisher and neurosurgeon Mike Murphy gave the group a safety lecture before dinner. The rules were reviewed. Mike Kneebone assigned numbers to the riders and handed out the first leg's bonuses. There's nothing for them to do now but figure out a route north and try to get some rest. They may have trouble, but I plan on sleeping like a baby and dreaming about bluebirds and white cliffs. Bob Higdon www.ironbutt.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 14:04:44 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02846 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830180320.24549.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:03:20 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply To: Todd Peer , JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's my take on this question.... Because this is considered a simple 'violation,' due process constraints are relaxed. It's an administrative law issue, and the Administraive Procedure Act (which Virginia probably adopted close to verbatim for guidance for its agencies and their 'subjects') relaxes the constitutional requirements for lesser infractions which are handled by administrative agencies, such as the state DMV. I'd liken these new 'violations' to parking tickets. Does due process require a full hearing on these? Try getting a court date for one! Techinically, because of the nature of agency prodedure, there could probably even be a constitutional argument made that traffic citations which can result in suspension of driving privileges don't require a full hearing. How about an opinion from a real attorney, though? Isn't J. Whiteside one? How about R.Turner Esq.? --- Todd Peer wrote: > The problem is that you don't actually receive a > citation that can be > prosecuted as crime. When you receive your vehicles > picture, it is made > clear that by paying the fine you will not receive > points nor will your > record reflect a conviction (obviously since you > aren't being tried). > > I asked this question earlier and got no answer. By > what authority do > federal/state/local officials have the right to > issue fines such as these > without due process? I would think none. Does > anyone here have one of > these fine notices? There should be some specified > statute allowing this, > clearly stated on the notice. If not, I just > thought of a new scam. :) > > Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 14:28:02 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03421 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD1D2450228; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:27:41 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990830142128.00cb5750@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:23:25 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001201bef0b4$f79d4010$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <852567DA.00607A37.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 01:52 PM 8/27/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >What I'd really like to know though is under what statute/authority does= the >state/local/federal law enforcement have the right to extort money from its >citizens like this. Just in case that wasn't a rhetorical question -- from http://leg1.state.va.us/ =A7 46.2-833.01 (Effective until July 1, 2005.) Use of photo-monitoring systems to enforce= =20 traffic light signals; penalty A. The governing body of any city having a population of more than 390,000,= =20 any city having a population of at least 200,000 but less than 225,000, any county having the urban county executive form of=20 government, any county adjacent to such county, and any city or town adjacent to or surrounded by such county except any county having=20 the county executive form of government and the cities surrounded by such county may provide by ordinance for the establishment of= =20 a demonstration program imposing monetary liability on the operator of a motor vehicle for failure to comply with traffic light= =20 signals in such locality in accordance with the provisions of this section. Each such locality may install and operate traffic light signal=20 photo-monitoring systems at no more than twenty-five intersections within each locality at any one time. B. The operator of a vehicle shall be liable for a monetary penalty imposed= =20 pursuant to this section if such vehicle is found, as evidenced by information obtained from a traffic light signal violation=20 monitoring system, to have failed to comply with a traffic light signal within such locality. C. Proof of a violation of this section shall be evidenced by information=20 obtained from a traffic light signal violation monitoring system authorized pursuant to this section. A certificate, sworn to or affirmed by= =20 a technician employed by a locality authorized to impose penalties pursuant to this section, or a facsimile thereof, based upon=20 inspection of photographs, microphotographs, videotape, or other recorded images produced by a traffic light signal violation=20 monitoring system, shall be prima facie evidence of the facts contained therein. Any photographs, microphotographs, videotape, or other=20 recorded images evidencing such a violation shall be available for inspection in any proceeding to adjudicate the liability for= =20 such violation pursuant to an ordinance adopted pursuant to this section. D. In the prosecution of an offense established under this section, prima=20 facie evidence that the vehicle described in the summons issued pursuant to this section was operated in violation of this section,= =20 together with proof that the defendant was at the time of such violation the owner, lessee, or renter of the vehicle, shall constitute in= =20 evidence a rebuttable presumption that such owner, lessee, or renter of the vehicle was the person who committed the violation. Such=20 presumption shall be rebutted if the owner, lessee, or renter of the vehicle (i) files an affidavit by regular mail with the clerk of the= =20 general district court that he or she was not the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation or (ii) testifies in open=20 court under oath that he or she was not the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation. Such presumption shall also be rebutted= =20 if a certified copy of a police report, showing that the vehicle had been reported to the police as stolen prior to the time of the alleged= =20 violation of this section, is presented, prior to the return date established on the summons issued pursuant to this section, to the court=20 adjudicating the alleged violation. E. For purposes of this section "owner" means the registered owner of such= =20 vehicle on record with the Department of Motor Vehicles. For purposes of this section, "traffic light signal violation-monitoring=20 system" means a vehicle sensor installed to work in conjunction with a traffic light that automatically produces two or more photographs,=20 two or more microphotographs, a videotape, or other recorded images of each vehicle at the time it is used or operated in=20 violation of this section. F. Imposition of a penalty pursuant to this section shall not be deemed a=20 conviction as an operator and shall not be made part of the operating record of the person upon whom such liability is imposed nor=20 shall it be used for insurance purposes in the provision of motor vehicle insurance coverage. No monetary penalty imposed under this=20 section shall exceed fifty dollars nor shall it include court costs. G. A summons for a violation of this section may be executed pursuant to=20 =A719.2-76.2. Notwithstanding the provisions of =A719.2-76, a summons for a violation of this section may be executed by mailing by=20 first-class mail a copy thereof to the address of the owner, lessee, or renter of the vehicle as shown, in the case of vehicle owners,=20 in the records of the Department of Motor Vehicles or, in the case of vehicle lessees or renters, in the records of the lessor or rentor.= =20 Every such mailing shall include, in addition to the summons, a notice of (i) the summoned person's ability to rebut the presumption that= =20 he was the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation through the filing of an affidavit as provided in=20 subsection D of this section and (ii) instructions for filing such affidavit, including the address to which the affidavit is to be sent. If=20 the summoned person fails to appear on the date of return set out in the summons mailed pursuant to this section, the summons shall be=20 executed in the manner set out in =A719.2-76.3. No proceedings for contempt or arrest of a person summoned by mailing shall be= =20 instituted for failure to appear on the return date of the summons. H. In any action at law brought by any person or entity as the result of=20 personal injury or death or damage to property, such evidence derived from a photo-monitoring system shall be admissible in the same=20 method prescribed as required in the prosecution of an offense established under this section without the requirements of=20 authentication as otherwise required by law. I. On behalf of a locality, a private entity may not obtain records=20 regarding the registered owners of vehicles which fail to comply with traffic light signals. A private entity may enter into an agreement with a= =20 locality to be compensated for providing the traffic light signal violation-monitoring system or equipment, and all related support services,= =20 to include consulting, operations and administration. However, only an employee of the locality may swear to or affirm the=20 certificate required by subsection C. J. The provisions of this section shall expire on July 1, 2005. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 14:32:06 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03535 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FHA00611JFSG3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:31:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA24528; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:29:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990830183050.JRAO28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:30:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:28:22 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply In-reply-to: <19990830180320.24549.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> To: Tom Gimer , Todd Peer , JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001b01bef315$70cf01f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal This is fairly disheartening to know, that a bunch of bureaucrats can met out punitive fines by threat of privilege revocation. Hmmm. Wasn't it Leon Begeman who found good argument that the privilege to drive is such only because the citizens enter into contract with the state of license issue? IOW, if you sign the licensing documents, you promise to abide by all the driving rules. As the argument goes, by not entering into this contract a traffic citation is unconstitutional as it infringes upon your right in pursuit of happiness (this doesn't apply if you are using public highways for commercial ventures). Anybody else ever heard about this? The whole privilege vs. right argument could be swept away if it can be shown that a citizen signs over his/her rights by signing an agreement with the state (drivers license). And yes, I'd still like to understand the camera situation in terms of authorities provided. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Here's my take on this question.... > > Because this is considered a simple 'violation,' due > process constraints are relaxed. > > It's an administrative law issue, and the > Administraive Procedure Act (which Virginia probably > adopted close to verbatim for guidance for its > agencies and their 'subjects') relaxes the > constitutional requirements for lesser infractions > which are handled by administrative agencies, such as > the state DMV. > > I'd liken these new 'violations' to parking tickets. > Does due process require a full hearing on these? Try > getting a court date for one! > > Techinically, because of the nature of agency > prodedure, there could probably even be a > constitutional argument made that traffic citations > which can result in suspension of driving privileges > don't require a full hearing. > > How about an opinion from a real attorney, though? > Isn't J. Whiteside one? How about R.Turner Esq.? From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 14:52:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03874 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHA00E1XKDNOK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:51:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA03393; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:46:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990830185107.JYGX28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:51:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:48:38 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy -Reply In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990830142128.00cb5750@mail.toward.com> To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001d01bef318$45c47460$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thanks Chris. I've used that damned database before, but it tends to take a lot to single out what you're looking for. See my comments below. Just so everyone knows, I am NOT for running red lights. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > At 01:52 PM 8/27/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >What I'd really like to know though is under what > statute/authority does the > >state/local/federal law enforcement have the right to extort > money from its > >citizens like this. > > Just in case that wasn't a rhetorical question -- > > from http://leg1.state.va.us/ > § 46.2-833.01 > > D. In the prosecution of an offense established under this section, prima > facie evidence that the vehicle described in the summons > issued pursuant to this section was operated in violation of this > section, > together with proof that the defendant was at the time of such > violation the owner, lessee, or renter of the vehicle, shall > constitute in > evidence a rebuttable presumption that such owner, lessee, or > renter of the vehicle was the person who committed the violation. Such > presumption shall be rebutted if the owner, lessee, or renter > of the vehicle (i) files an affidavit by regular mail with the > clerk of the > general district court that he or she was not the operator of the > vehicle at the time of the alleged violation or (ii) testifies in open > court under oath that he or she was not the operator of the vehicle at > the time of the alleged violation. Such presumption shall also be > rebutted > if a certified copy of a police report, showing that the vehicle > had been reported to the police as stolen prior to the time of > the alleged > violation of this section, is presented, prior to the return date > established on the summons issued pursuant to this section, to the court > adjudicating the alleged violation. So, basically you get an affidavit to prove your innocence. Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the rule here, and probably worthy of challenge. > > G. A summons for a violation of this section may be executed pursuant to > §19.2-76.2. Notwithstanding the provisions of §19.2-76, a > summons for a violation of this section may be executed by mailing by > first-class mail a copy thereof to the address of the owner, > lessee, or renter of the vehicle as shown, in the case of vehicle owners, > in the records of the Department of Motor Vehicles or, in the > case of vehicle lessees or renters, in the records of the lessor > or rentor. > Every such mailing shall include, in addition to the summons, > a notice of (i) the summoned person's ability to rebut the > presumption that > he was the operator of the vehicle at the time of the > alleged violation through the filing of an affidavit as provided in > subsection D of this section and (ii) instructions for filing such > affidavit, including the address to which the affidavit is to be sent. If > the summoned person fails to appear on the date of return set > out in the summons mailed pursuant to this section, the summons shall be > executed in the manner set out in §19.2-76.3. No > proceedings for contempt or arrest of a person summoned by > mailing shall be > instituted for failure to appear on the return date of the > summons. I thought this was interesting. What this says is if you don't rebut via affidavit or appearance, you will eventually be arrested and appear before a judge. I would say that this would be a great time to insist that the PA prove beyond reasonable doubt you were the driver. > > H. In any action at law brought by any person or entity as the result of > personal injury or death or damage to property, such evidence > derived from a photo-monitoring system shall be admissible in the same > method prescribed as required in the prosecution of an > offense established under this section without the requirements of > authentication as otherwise required by law. I wonder what an affidavit would do for you here in a personal civil-suit. Probably not a whole damned lot. > > J. The provisions of this section shall expire on July 1, 2005. .....at which time they will be extended and further reaching. 1984 came a few years late, but here it is. 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Host Development | I'll be changing the implementation America Online, Inc | next week... From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 16:24:18 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05594 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] ([192.168.1.27]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA32065 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:26:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Oil Change Intervals- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello There- Another Newbie question from me- wondering what sort of intervals you all change your oil at, and if you have recommendations on the brand of oil to use. Bike is a 96 CBR 600 F3 with 4000 miles (2000 in the month since I bought it (: ), so I am figuring I should change it soon. I ride it fairly gently- rev it hard only occasionally, but tend to live in the 5-8500 range. Thanks in advance... Ned Suesse ------------------------------------------------------------------- "The motorcycle is primarily a mental phenomenon"- Robert M. Pirsig Ned Suesse GreyPilgrim 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 16:45:47 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06027 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA29561; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:45:58 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028257; Mon, 30 Aug 99 16:43:38 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHA003JOPPI71@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567DD.0071B8C7 ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:42:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:41:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- To: Ned Suesse Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567DD.0071B5D9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I bet there are alot of opinions on this one... Is the bike your baby? Do you love it like a member of your family? Then change the oil every 3,000 miles, and use a synthetic blend. If not, use standard motorcycle oil, and intervals could be up to 5,000 miles. Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Ned Suesse Date: 08/30/99 08:26:08 PM GMT Subject: Oil Change Intervals- Hello There- Another Newbie question from me- wondering what sort of intervals you all change your oil at, and if you have recommendations on the brand of oil to use. Bike is a 96 CBR 600 F3 with 4000 miles (2000 in the month since I bought it (: ), so I am figuring I should change it soon. I ride it fairly gently- rev it hard only occasionally, but tend to live in the 5-8500 range. Thanks in advance... Ned Suesse ------------------------------------------------------------------- "The motorcycle is primarily a mental phenomenon"- Robert M. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 17:15:09 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06529 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830211430.21632.rocketmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:14:30 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: CDL - yes. other driver licensing - no! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: Wasn't it Leon Begeman who found good > argument that the privilege to > drive is such only because the citizens enter into > contract with the state > of license issue? IOW, if you sign the licensing > documents, you promise to > abide by all the driving rules. As the argument > goes, by not entering into > this contract a traffic citation is unconstitutional > as it infringes upon > your right in pursuit of happiness (this doesn't > apply if you are using > public highways for commercial ventures). The argument that I referred to indicated something along those lines. I didn't save the reference, but I think it can be found by following links from either Cato.org or the Libertarian party. I think a better way to state the argument would be as follows: Citizens have the right to move themselves and their belongs within (and outside of) the boundaries of the state (country.) The government doesn't own us, and cannot prevent free people from moving about the state. It is illegal to trespass on private property, as that would deny it's use to the rightful owner of that property. Therefore, the state must either provide for rights of way along or through some property or hold property for itself for the purpose of permitting free travel. (I'm not an anarchist, there are some things that are the proper concern of the state.) The state currently holds the position that although citizens have an absolute right to move about, we do not have the right to use a motor vehicle to do so. The problem comes when many of the newer roads do not allow for traffic that isn't licensed. I simply believe that the state is holding positions that are contradictory ie. we have a right to move about, but may not drive on the roads to do so, and may not walk on the road and may not trespass on private property or on the road right of way. I think the solution to this is that the state should not require the operators of private vehicles to be licensed, it is historically and legally the 'correct' response to the problem of allowing the public to use public roads. Leon Begeman. > > Anybody else ever heard about this? The whole > privilege vs. right argument > could be swept away if it can be shown that a > citizen signs over his/her > rights by signing an agreement with the state > (drivers license). > > And yes, I'd still like to understand the camera > situation in terms of > authorities provided. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > > > Here's my take on this question.... > > > > Because this is considered a simple 'violation,' > due > > process constraints are relaxed. > > > > It's an administrative law issue, and the > > Administraive Procedure Act (which Virginia > probably > > adopted close to verbatim for guidance for its > > agencies and their 'subjects') relaxes the > > constitutional requirements for lesser infractions > > which are handled by administrative agencies, such > as > > the state DMV. > > > > I'd liken these new 'violations' to parking > tickets. > > Does due process require a full hearing on these? > Try > > getting a court date for one! > > > > Techinically, because of the nature of agency > > prodedure, there could probably even be a > > constitutional argument made that traffic > citations > > which can result in suspension of driving > privileges > > don't require a full hearing. > > > > How about an opinion from a real attorney, though? > > Isn't J. Whiteside one? How about R.Turner Esq.? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 18:13:50 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07491 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:13:49 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAB27522; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:14:01 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026682; Mon, 30 Aug 99 18:12:41 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHA00J66TTYLF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567DD.0079E0D1 ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:11:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:10:49 -0400 Subject: Should this be my first race bike? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567DD.0079DEAB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian, Brian, Jay, Jeff, Collin, etc... Should I pick this up for next season. Would it be a good starter? Mark http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=155111154 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 18:31:08 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07824 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830223059.8098.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:30:59 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- To: Ned Suesse , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not until the end of the trip (if the trip is more than 3000 miles) or 3 times per 10,000 miles or Once a year, right after the first ride (if it's been more than a year since the last oil change.) Leon. --- Ned Suesse wrote: > Hello There- > Another Newbie question from me- wondering what > sort of > intervals you all change your oil at, and if you > have recommendations > on the brand of oil to use. Bike is a 96 CBR 600 F3 > with 4000 miles > (2000 in the month since I bought it (: ), so I am > figuring I should > change it soon. I ride it fairly gently- rev it hard > only > occasionally, but tend to live in the 5-8500 range. > > Thanks in advance... > Ned Suesse > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "The motorcycle is primarily a mental phenomenon"- > Robert M. Pirsig > > Ned Suesse > GreyPilgrim > 301.610.6393 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 18:53:34 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08169 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830225329.9433.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.106] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:53:29 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Riding gear.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That sucks.. how was it stolen? Probably was stolen by some jerk who's never even been on a bike. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Hey all.. Well, my luck strikes again.. I was off having dinner > on > Thursday with a friend, and had my Vanson jacket stolen... Seeing > as that > leaves me with no gear, I guess I've been forced into the market. > I've had > a Stich before.. really liked the versatility and comfort - didn't > like the > price and it had a couple small quality issues. Loved my Vanson > with the > exception of it was a style not suited to the rider being leaned > forward > (cut to high in the back), had no armor or venting. I know there > are > arguments for both sides.. but what do you all think will meet my > requirements best? I want something that has armor, can be > attached to > pants (should I buy them later), be suited to the 'sportier' riding > position > to which I've adopted. I'm in a toss-up over whether or not to > look for > something that's suited to year round riding, or pick up a 'winter' > and > 'summer' pieces (I am moving to Arizona in a months time). Water > proof is > always nice, but water resistant I can live with. > > I can make arguments FOR both.. and I'm just looking for some other > peoples > inputs and impressions... > > Thanks, > > Brian McCoy > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 19:03:08 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08383 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA16822; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:02:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:02:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Should this be my first race bike? In-Reply-To: <852567DD.0079DEAB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark - YES! This would be an *excellent* starter bike. Especially if you put me in your will. ;) - Brian On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Brian, Brian, Jay, Jeff, Collin, etc... > > Should I pick this up for next season. Would it be a good starter? > > Mark > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=155111154 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 19:10:52 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08528 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (209-122-205-136.s136.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.205.136]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09025; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003b01bef33c$2ff930c0$88cd7ad1@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Tom Gimer" , "Todd Peer" , "JOE NAGY" , References: <19990830180320.24549.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:05:41 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Fortunately, I now only practice plaintiff's personal injury law. However, I still do read summaries of most of the cases coming out of the Virginia Supreme Court and the Virginia Court of Appeals. I personally know of no decision finding photo enforcement an illegal or unconstitutional scheme. While practicing in traffic court (pre May 1998) I did not see anying lay person or attorney prevail using such an argument. I do recall the main defense involved swearing under oath that you were not the driver (in essence, you claim someone else was driving). Furthermore, I understand that if two persons or a company are listed as the owner of the vehicle no ticket will be issued, as there is no clearly identifiable defendant. You might want to consider hiring a competent traffic lawyer (if you don't mind paying the fee!!!). Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Todd Peer ; JOE NAGY ; Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 2:03 PM Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply > Here's my take on this question.... > > Because this is considered a simple 'violation,' due > process constraints are relaxed. > > It's an administrative law issue, and the > Administraive Procedure Act (which Virginia probably > adopted close to verbatim for guidance for its > agencies and their 'subjects') relaxes the > constitutional requirements for lesser infractions > which are handled by administrative agencies, such as > the state DMV. > > I'd liken these new 'violations' to parking tickets. > Does due process require a full hearing on these? Try > getting a court date for one! > > Techinically, because of the nature of agency > prodedure, there could probably even be a > constitutional argument made that traffic citations > which can result in suspension of driving privileges > don't require a full hearing. > > How about an opinion from a real attorney, though? > Isn't J. Whiteside one? How about R.Turner Esq.? > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 19:11:20 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08538 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830231118.9770.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.106] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:11:18 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > Oh btw you can have forgery without a signature > > involved, and maybe they would also charge you with > > attempting to evade the police, which is an offense > > they arrest for. > > That was my hindering/obstructing suggestion...a far > cry from fleeing and eluding (evading), though. Far cry or not, I still think they could make a case.. wether they would win or lose.. who knows.. but I wouldn't be surprised if some DA tried to charge someone with that, for having that tag. We all know DA's aren't known for being brilliant scholars, knowing what people's rights are all about.. they're after convictions.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 19:17:27 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08691 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830231724.15314.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.106] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:17:24 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply To: Todd Peer , Tom Gimer , JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The problem with that theory is that when You sign your liscense, There are no written terms on it, and so it's not a contract. A signature is there for identity purposes, not any agreements. Just like an autograph, it's there for collecting, not that some famous person owes something to a fan, legally. Of course strange things do happen in law, and life, so I wouldn't be surprised if that argument actually worked and was law, for a short period of time.. until it gets over turned. --- Todd Peer wrote: > This is fairly disheartening to know, that a bunch of bureaucrats > can met > out punitive fines by threat of privilege revocation. > > Hmmm. Wasn't it Leon Begeman who found good argument that the > privilege to > drive is such only because the citizens enter into contract with > the state > of license issue? IOW, if you sign the licensing documents, you > promise to > abide by all the driving rules. As the argument goes, by not > entering into > this contract a traffic citation is unconstitutional as it > infringes upon > your right in pursuit of happiness (this doesn't apply if you are > using > public highways for commercial ventures). > > Anybody else ever heard about this? The whole privilege vs. right > argument > could be swept away if it can be shown that a citizen signs over > his/her > rights by signing an agreement with the state (drivers license). > > And yes, I'd still like to understand the camera situation in terms > of > authorities provided. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > > > Here's my take on this question.... > > > > Because this is considered a simple 'violation,' due > > process constraints are relaxed. > > > > It's an administrative law issue, and the > > Administraive Procedure Act (which Virginia probably > > adopted close to verbatim for guidance for its > > agencies and their 'subjects') relaxes the > > constitutional requirements for lesser infractions > > which are handled by administrative agencies, such as > > the state DMV. > > > > I'd liken these new 'violations' to parking tickets. > > Does due process require a full hearing on these? Try > > getting a court date for one! > > > > Techinically, because of the nature of agency > > prodedure, there could probably even be a > > constitutional argument made that traffic citations > > which can result in suspension of driving privileges > > don't require a full hearing. > > > > How about an opinion from a real attorney, though? > > Isn't J. Whiteside one? How about R.Turner Esq.? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 19:44:01 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA09112 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830234309.26141.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:43:09 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Oh btw you can have forgery without a signature > > > involved, and maybe they would also charge you > > > with attempting to evade the police, which is an > > > offense they arrest for. > > > > That was my hindering/obstructing suggestion...a > > far cry from fleeing and eluding (evading), though. > > Far cry or not, I still think they could make a > case.. wether they would win or lose.. who knows.. > but I wouldn't be surprised if some DA tried to > charge someone with that, for having that tag. To begin with, I don't know how we got to federal court. That being said, a prosecutor can bring charges for crimes which fit within the 'facts' as reported by the police officer. If you think putting what amounts to a clear shield over a tag constitutes fleeing and eluding, so be it. I'll be picking one up as soon as I see/hear of one of these revenue generators in Maryland. > We all know DA's aren't known for being brilliant > scholars, knowing > what people's rights are all about.. they're after > convictions.. Gross generalizations will get you nowhere...and you're wrong to boot. Prosecutors may be after convictions, but they are certainly aware of defendants' rights. They may let a foolish defendant waive them, of course, but they need a law degree to practice (which education should inform them of these rights), and have merely chosen to make their impact on that side of the battle (for any number of reasons). We can go private if you'd like...but I'm pretty much done with this one. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 19:57:55 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA09344 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990830235758.19449.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:57:58 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply To: Daniel aka ITM , Todd Peer , JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello? He's not referring to the signing of the license. He's referring to the other crap you have to sign in order to get your driving privileges...medical history, agreeing to abide by minimum insurance requirements, etc. Also, by accepting a license in MD, drivers have impliedly consented to blood alcohol testing. --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > The problem with that theory is that when You sign > your liscense, > There are no written terms on it, and so it's not a > contract. A > signature is there for identity purposes, not any > agreements. Just > like an autograph, it's there for collecting, not > that some famous > person owes something to a fan, legally. > > Of course strange things do happen in law, and life, > so I wouldn't > be surprised if that argument actually worked and > was law, for > a short period of time.. until it gets over turned. > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > This is fairly disheartening to know, that a bunch > of bureaucrats > > can met > > out punitive fines by threat of privilege > revocation. > > > > Hmmm. Wasn't it Leon Begeman who found good > argument that the > > privilege to > > drive is such only because the citizens enter into > contract with > > the state > > of license issue? IOW, if you sign the licensing > documents, you > > promise to > > abide by all the driving rules. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 21:33:22 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA10824 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990831013450.4936.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.164.128.248] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:34:50 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: re: race bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, Two words: I WISH!!!! would be interesting to see what my lap times might come down too on something along those lines.... then again..I have to COMPLETE a lap to get a lap time!! d'oh!! yes, as the last sentence implies, I sampled the hardness factor of the pavement yet again.... I went down extremely hard in turn 4 during the second practice session on sunday...somewhere in the neighborhood of 135 mph! the bike suffured lots of miscellaneous damage, but the only major thing is a bent and holed radiator. The bummer of the whole deal is that through away any hopes of winning the formula 1 regional championship.. Oh well, I'll still finish out in the top 5 of all my classes, if not the top 3. I'm ok.. lots of bruises across my back and shoulders, and a possibly broken pinky finger, so I can't complain too very much... once again, the vanson leathers and bell helmet did their job. Thankfully the helmet which was a whopping 2 days old only received minor scuffing and should pass tech still. However, I'll be buying yet another one soon and keeping this one as a backup lid. Since I've won about $400 of contingency money off of bell, all my helmets this year have been paid for :) Thanks again to the italians for building a great helmet :) Saturday was better by leaps and bounds... I overslept big time and after registering late, I found myself starting the solo16 on row 17 in the second wave! Got a mediocre start, and just put my head down. I really felt in the zone so to speak, and was just passing people anywhere and everywhere... and whadya know, I was in the lead in only a few laps 9although I wasn't sure since there were so many bikes on track..) From there, I started clicking off the expert pack...till I caught up to Jose Datis on his R1. he and I diced it out from the midway point of the race on. I was ahead of him for about three laps, but the R1's power advantage got him back in front. After that, I passed him a few times here and there, but the R1's horsepower would prevail soon thereafter. For the last bit of the race, I settled in behind him not wanting to throw away a large lead. He finished 6th in the expert class, and I finished 7th overall and 1st in the novice ranks by a huge margin... wish sunday was that good ;-) So for now, if anyone hears of 96-97 GSXR 750 parts for sale, drop me a note...radiator is the biggest thing, but there are a lot of little things I really could use... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 30 22:23:50 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11692 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:23:48 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rGQVa05147 (4560); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:50:08 EDT Subject: Re: race bike To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 8/30/1999 9:37:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << For the last bit of the race, I settled in behind him not wanting to throw away a large lead. He finished 6th in the expert class, and I finished 7th overall and 1st in the novice ranks by a huge margin... wish sunday was that good ;-) So for now, if anyone hears of 96-97 GSXR 750 parts for sale, drop me a note...radiator is the biggest thing, but there are a lot of little things I really could use... Collin >> Congrats. Sounds like a blast. I'll keep an eye and ear out for parts. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 00:54:33 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA14332 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA24654; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:57:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:57:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals/paranoia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Ned Suesse wrote: > Hello There- > Another Newbie question from me- wondering what sort of > intervals you all change your oil at, [snip] General mildly paranoid question: does anyone out there know whether recommended service intervals are determined by engineers or (non-exclusive or) by company lawyers? If the latter, are such intervals excessively conservative? That is, to what extent (if any) are they driven by liability concerns rather than good engineering practice? --garcia "The absence of evidence is proof of the conspiracy." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 02:08:57 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16207 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990831060853.1537.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.78] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:08:53 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > Oh btw you can have forgery without a signature > > > > involved, and maybe they would also charge you > > > > with attempting to evade the police, which is an > > > > offense they arrest for. > > > > > > That was my hindering/obstructing suggestion...a > > > far cry from fleeing and eluding (evading), > though. > > > > Far cry or not, I still think they could make a > > case.. wether they would win or lose.. who knows.. > > but I wouldn't be surprised if some DA tried to > > charge someone with that, for having that tag. > > To begin with, I don't know how we got to federal > court. That being said, a prosecutor can bring > charges for crimes which fit within the 'facts' as > reported by the police officer. If you think putting > what amounts to a clear shield over a tag constitutes > fleeing and eluding, so be it. Oh now it's just a clear shield.. It's not exactly a clear shield.. and you are eluding prosecution, and fleeing the scene of a crime (of speeding)... I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring charges of someone who used the tag, and also refused to pay the ticket when his real tag was scene. > I'll be picking one up as soon as I see/hear of one of > these revenue generators in Maryland. Good luck > > We all know DA's aren't known for being brilliant > > scholars, knowing > > what people's rights are all about.. they're after > > convictions.. > > Gross generalizations will get you nowhere...and > you're wrong to boot. Prosecutors may be after > convictions, but they are certainly aware of > defendants' rights. They may let a foolish defendant > waive them, of course, but they need a law degree to > practice (which education should inform them of these > rights), and have merely chosen to make their impact > on that side of the battle (for any number of > reasons). I said scholars.. there are educated fools and there are scholars.. You can "know" people's right, but IMO you don't truly understand them if you're placing convictions over doing what's right. Most people in here might agree that these photo radar speeding traps are unconstitutional, but do you think a DA will say "ya know you're right, it is unconstitutional I won't prosecute you".. they'll go for it.. in an idea world, the cops, DA, judge and jury would all be checks and balances against injustice... it's scary when people just execute their jobs to prosecute someone without respecting others constitutional rights... > We can go private if you'd like...but I'm pretty much > done with this one. Same here, we're on the same side, we pretty much agree these things are wrong to put up and enforce like that, and I was just pointing out that ya know sometimes cops (and DA's) are idiots and will give you some hassles if you go that route of using that special plate cover. === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 02:57:15 1999 Return-Path: YoshiBike@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA17015 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:57:13 -0400 (EDT) From: YoshiBike@XXXXXX Received: from YoshiBike@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id fLUEa22755 (4363); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:06:23 EDT Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals/paranoia To: garicao@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: suzuki-l@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 sam the kid on the gixxer here.. i change my oil every 2500 miles since i do a lot of stop and go. if you do a lot of touring then 3000 miles is good also look at how dirty your oil is through the window and make a decision from there on when you think that you should change your oil and hawaii has had too much damn rain lately sam the kid on the gixxer JBell WoodWorking my wife's company any feedback would be good thanks in advance From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 07:05:53 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21551 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-45.patriot.net [209.249.180.45]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23953; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:05:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37CBB5E7.D9C8A859@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:00:55 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals/paranoia References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Engineers, and it is reasonably conservative based on average use expected. Dirt, acids, and moisture in the oil all contribute to engine wear. If your average trip is 10 miles than the oil gets hot enough to blow off A & M. The filters (air and oil) presumbly take care of most of the dirt.. If average trips are shorter - like jumping around town a few miles here, a few miles there - than I would advise short oil changes. FWI - for those with oil coolers, if the oil doesn't get hot enough, it gets fouled. I chnage my bike oil between 2500 and 5000 depending on the use therein, and always change the filter. I also stick to factory reccomended oil. No tricky-slickys or snake oil for me. As for saving a few bucks on stretching changes or buying cheap oil - ask your which is cheaper - a case of oil or an engine. Bill Garcia Oliver wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Ned Suesse wrote: > > > Hello There- > > Another Newbie question from me- wondering what sort of > > intervals you all change your oil at, [snip] > > General mildly paranoid question: does anyone out there know whether > recommended service intervals are determined by engineers or > (non-exclusive or) by company lawyers? If the latter, are such intervals > excessively conservative? That is, to what extent (if any) are they > driven by liability concerns rather than good engineering practice? > > --garcia > > "The absence of evidence is proof of the conspiracy." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 07:12:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21576 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-45.patriot.net [209.249.180.45]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24287; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:11:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37CBB738.FD189001@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:06:32 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy References: <19990831060853.1537.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel aka ITM wrote: > You can "know" people's right, but IMO you don't truly understand > them if you're placing convictions over doing what's right. Most > people in here might agree that these photo radar speeding traps > are unconstitutional, but do you think a DA will say "ya know you're > right, it is unconstitutional I won't prosecute you".. they'll go > for it.. in an idea world, the cops, DA, judge and jury would all > be checks and balances against injustice... it's scary when people > just execute their jobs to prosecute someone without respecting > others constitutional rights... Constitutional??? Do tell, what part of the constitution allows us the right to ride like the proverbial bat outta hell, thusly endangering ourself and others? Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 07:50:16 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22501 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:45:46 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C599@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:47:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sure are alot of opinions... use a FULL synthetic. Mobil 1 15W50 works for me. Glenn >I bet there are alot of opinions on this one... >Is the bike your baby? Do you love it like a member of your family? Then >change the oil every 3,000 miles, and use a synthetic blend. >If not, use standard motorcycle oil, and intervals could be up to 5,000 >miles. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 08:14:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23065 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:14:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hrm.. I'll add to that - Mobil 1 15w50 - that I change whever I damn well feel like it.. that's usually when I start noticing a lot of false neutrals up between 4-5-6... as it turns out, that seems to be about 4,500~5000 miles (which is right when I need to check valves anyway). I ride fairly agressivly aswell.. both city driving and backroad scratching. Brian McCoy 87 VFR700 (46k miles and counting) > -----Original Message----- > > > Sure are alot of opinions... use a FULL synthetic. Mobil 1 > 15W50 works for > me. > > Glenn > > > > >I bet there are alot of opinions on this one... > > >Is the bike your baby? Do you love it like a member of your > family? Then > >change the oil every 3,000 miles, and use a synthetic blend. > > >If not, use standard motorcycle oil, and intervals could be > up to 5,000 > >miles. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 08:27:52 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23360 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990831122451.3987.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:24:51 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" , Glenn Dysart MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Question, guys.... I went into the Dirt Shop (I think that's what it's called) in College Park (right there on Route 1)....I had picked up 4 quarts of Golden Spectro 15W-50 for my RR and brought them to the counter. The guy behind the counter told me "Honda recommends 10W-40 for their sportbikes" and "10W-40 is better at dissipating heat because of its molecular make-up." Needless to say I was a little confused. Is he right? I went with the 15W-50 (blend) anyway. -- tg --- "Glenn Dysart" wrote: > Sure are alot of opinions... use a FULL synthetic. > Mobil 1 15W50 works for me. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Hrm.. I'll add to that - Mobil 1 15w50 - that I > change whever I damn well > feel like it.. that's usually when I start noticing > a lot of false neutrals > up between 4-5-6... as it turns out, that seems to > be about 4,500~5000 miles > (which is right when I need to check valves anyway). > I ride fairly > agressivly aswell.. both city driving and backroad > scratching. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 08:56:36 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23760 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:56:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:47:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Was that a real big guy? thinning and greying hair? If so, his name's Ralph - and he's the owner of the Dirt Shop. His history includes some things such as designing his own MC specific oil (this was a dozen years ago - marketed under the name Full Bore) - he knows what he's talking about on everything I've ever heard (I've double checked against sources online). I'd take what he says at truth, though it may be a little lopsided at time due to it's roots and age. (meaning, I think some of the things he takes for granted might not be true just due to dated info)... Great guy though, and a perfect sounding board when it comes to anything motorcycle... I was getting his opinion on leather jackets yesterday... combined with the opinion of Dixie Cycle sponsor Duane, I'm probably going to end up buying a Vanson jacket.. :) (The SRX PROperf, full armor options, and name on the back - about $600). Anyway... Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:25 AM > To: McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc'; Glenn Dysart > Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- > > > Question, guys.... > > I went into the Dirt Shop (I think that's what it's > called) in College Park (right there on Route 1)....I > had picked up 4 quarts of Golden Spectro 15W-50 for my > RR and brought them to the counter. The guy behind > the counter told me "Honda recommends 10W-40 for their > sportbikes" and "10W-40 is better at dissipating heat > because of its molecular make-up." > > Needless to say I was a little confused. Is he right? > > I went with the 15W-50 (blend) anyway. > > > -- > tg > > > --- "Glenn Dysart" wrote: > > Sure are alot of opinions... use a FULL synthetic. > > Mobil 1 15W50 works for me. > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > Hrm.. I'll add to that - Mobil 1 15w50 - that I > > change whever I damn well > > feel like it.. that's usually when I start noticing > > a lot of false neutrals > > up between 4-5-6... as it turns out, that seems to > > be about 4,500~5000 miles > > (which is right when I need to check valves anyway). > > I ride fairly > > agressivly aswell.. both city driving and backroad > > scratching. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 08:56:50 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23770 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id IAA03689; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:56:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Tom Gimer cc: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- In-Reply-To: <19990831122451.3987.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dunno about all that molecular make-up stuff, but I run Golden spectra 10w-40 in my race bike... an FZR400 that redlines at about 14500. That's what the shop that built my bike recommends, and it always comes out clean when I change it. Of course... I change my oil every other weekend :) - Brian On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Tom Gimer wrote: > I went into the Dirt Shop (I think that's what it's > called) in College Park (right there on Route 1)....I > had picked up 4 quarts of Golden Spectro 15W-50 for my > RR and brought them to the counter. The guy behind > the counter told me "Honda recommends 10W-40 for their > sportbikes" and "10W-40 is better at dissipating heat > because of its molecular make-up." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 09:03:24 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23921 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id JAA03696 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:02:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy In-Reply-To: <37CBB738.FD189001@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey - happiness moves pretty damn fast, like one of those roadrunners and stuff. The next time you get pulled over or candid-camera'd, just go into court and say... "Your honor, I was in pursuit of happiness... and if this officer hadn't pulled me over, I think I would of caught it in the next turn!!" ;) - Brian On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > Constitutional??? Do tell, what part of the constitution allows us the > right to ride like the proverbial bat outta hell, thusly endangering > ourself and others? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 09:24:24 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24232 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-45.patriot.net [209.249.180.45]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01846; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:24:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37CBD650.C1D99162@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:19:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" , Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- References: <19990831122451.3987.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 15-50 ??? Whatever for? Unless the engine is so clapped out you need molassas to quiet the slapping, I'd go with 10-40. Try reading the owner's manual. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > Question, guys.... > > I went into the Dirt Shop (I think that's what it's > called) in College Park (right there on Route 1)....I > had picked up 4 quarts of Golden Spectro 15W-50 for my > RR and brought them to the counter. The guy behind > the counter told me "Honda recommends 10W-40 for their > sportbikes" and "10W-40 is better at dissipating heat > because of its molecular make-up." > > Needless to say I was a little confused. Is he right? > > I went with the 15W-50 (blend) anyway. > > -- > tg > > --- "Glenn Dysart" wrote: > > Sure are alot of opinions... use a FULL synthetic. > > Mobil 1 15W50 works for me. > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > Hrm.. I'll add to that - Mobil 1 15w50 - that I > > change whever I damn well > > feel like it.. that's usually when I start noticing > > a lot of false neutrals > > up between 4-5-6... as it turns out, that seems to > > be about 4,500~5000 miles > > (which is right when I need to check valves anyway). > > I ride fairly > > agressivly aswell.. both city driving and backroad > > scratching. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 09:25:52 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24245 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:17:13 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:15:18 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:15:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) What is the address for the Dirt Shop? I've driven through College Park many times and I've never seen it. Is it hard to find if you don't know exactly where it is? Any help in locating it would be appreciated. I've have some things that will need to be taken care of on the Hawk this winter and don't want to bring it to a dealer. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:47 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- > > Was that a real big guy? thinning and greying hair? If so, his name's > Ralph - and he's the owner of the Dirt Shop. His history includes some > things such as designing his own MC specific oil (this was a dozen years > ago > - marketed under the name Full Bore) - he knows what he's talking about on > everything I've ever heard (I've double checked against sources online). > I'd take what he says at truth, though it may be a little lopsided at time > due to it's roots and age. (meaning, I think some of the things he takes > for granted might not be true just due to dated info)... Great guy > though, > and a perfect sounding board when it comes to anything motorcycle... I > was > getting his opinion on leather jackets yesterday... combined with the > opinion of Dixie Cycle sponsor Duane, I'm probably going to end up buying > a > Vanson jacket.. :) (The SRX PROperf, full armor options, and name on the > back - about $600). > > Anyway... > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:25 AM > > To: McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc'; Glenn Dysart > > Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- > > > > > > Question, guys.... > > > > I went into the Dirt Shop (I think that's what it's > > called) in College Park (right there on Route 1)....I > > had picked up 4 quarts of Golden Spectro 15W-50 for my > > RR and brought them to the counter. The guy behind > > the counter told me "Honda recommends 10W-40 for their > > sportbikes" and "10W-40 is better at dissipating heat > > because of its molecular make-up." > > > > Needless to say I was a little confused. Is he right? > > > > I went with the 15W-50 (blend) anyway. > > > > > > -- > > tg > > > > > > --- "Glenn Dysart" wrote: > > > Sure are alot of opinions... use a FULL synthetic. > > > Mobil 1 15W50 works for me. > > > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > > Hrm.. I'll add to that - Mobil 1 15w50 - that I > > > change whever I damn well > > > feel like it.. that's usually when I start noticing > > > a lot of false neutrals > > > up between 4-5-6... as it turns out, that seems to > > > be about 4,500~5000 miles > > > (which is right when I need to check valves anyway). > > > I ride fairly > > > agressivly aswell.. both city driving and backroad > > > scratching. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 09:36:01 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24494 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990831133634.12360.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.214] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:36:34 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:36:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- To: Bill Huson Cc: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" , Glenn Dysart MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > 15-50 ??? Whatever for? Unless the engine is so > clapped out you need > molassas to quiet the slapping, I'd go with 10-40. > Try reading the owner's manual. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmmm....I was hoping for some better advice than this, Bill. I've already read the f*ckin' manual. It lists both 10w40 and 15w50 as possibles. Glenn, Brian....tell Bill why you use 15w50 please. I use thinner oil in the winter, and figured that's what you guys did too, but in summer its 15w50. > > --- "Glenn Dysart" wrote: > > > Sure are alot of opinions... use a FULL > > > synthetic. Mobil 1 15W50 works for me. > > > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > > Hrm.. I'll add to that - Mobil 1 15w50 - that I > > > change whever I damn well > > > feel like it.. that's usually when I start > > > noticing a lot of false neutrals > > > up between 4-5-6... as it turns out, that seems > > > to be about 4,500~5000 miles > > > (which is right when I need to check valves > > > anyway). I ride fairly > > > agressivly aswell.. both city driving and > > > backroad scratching. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 09:37:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24509 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:37:03 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdBAAa0043a; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:37:00 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:36:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: The Dirt Shop Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:36:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) umm.. it's simple to find. 2 blocks south of 495 on Rt1.. on the right hand side (headed south). RIGHT before Kit's music, and then the VW/Ford dealer... across the street from the main College Park post office.... No idea about an address though - give them a call - 301.474.2228. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [mailto:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:15 AM > To: 'McCoy, Brian NAB02'; 'dc' > Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- > > > What is the address for the Dirt Shop? I've driven through > College Park > many times and I've never seen it. Is it hard to find if you > don't know > exactly where it is? Any help in locating it would be appreciated. > > I've have some things that will need to be taken care of on > the Hawk this > winter and don't want to bring it to a dealer. > > Don B > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 > [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:47 AM > > To: 'dc' > > Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- > > > > Was that a real big guy? thinning and greying hair? If > so, his name's > > Ralph - and he's the owner of the Dirt Shop. His history > includes some > > things such as designing his own MC specific oil (this was > a dozen years > > ago > > - marketed under the name Full Bore) - he knows what he's > talking about on > > everything I've ever heard (I've double checked against > sources online). > > I'd take what he says at truth, though it may be a little > lopsided at time > > due to it's roots and age. (meaning, I think some of the > things he takes > > for granted might not be true just due to dated info)... Great guy > > though, > > and a perfect sounding board when it comes to anything > motorcycle... I > > was > > getting his opinion on leather jackets yesterday... > combined with the > > opinion of Dixie Cycle sponsor Duane, I'm probably going to > end up buying > > a > > Vanson jacket.. :) (The SRX PROperf, full armor options, > and name on the > > back - about $600). > > > > Anyway... > > > > Brian > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:25 AM > > > To: McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc'; Glenn Dysart > > > Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- > > > > > > > > > Question, guys.... > > > > > > I went into the Dirt Shop (I think that's what it's > > > called) in College Park (right there on Route 1)....I > > > had picked up 4 quarts of Golden Spectro 15W-50 for my > > > RR and brought them to the counter. The guy behind > > > the counter told me "Honda recommends 10W-40 for their > > > sportbikes" and "10W-40 is better at dissipating heat > > > because of its molecular make-up." > > > > > > Needless to say I was a little confused. Is he right? > > > > > > I went with the 15W-50 (blend) anyway. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > > > > > > > --- "Glenn Dysart" wrote: > > > > Sure are alot of opinions... use a FULL synthetic. > > > > Mobil 1 15W50 works for me. > > > > > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > > > Hrm.. I'll add to that - Mobil 1 15w50 - that I > > > > change whever I damn well > > > > feel like it.. that's usually when I start noticing > > > > a lot of false neutrals > > > > up between 4-5-6... as it turns out, that seems to > > > > be about 4,500~5000 miles > > > > (which is right when I need to check valves anyway). > > > > I ride fairly > > > > agressivly aswell.. both city driving and backroad > > > > scratching. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 09:39:06 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24519 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA11158; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:39:34 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa10250; Tue, 31 Aug 99 09:38:43 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHC00EAL0P56M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567DE.004ACE1D ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:37:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:36:20 -0400 Subject: Vanson armor needed for weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567DE.004ACCBC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Does anyone have a set of Vanson armor (for their jackets) they can lend me this weekend? I am plannig to ride in the Summit Point track day over the weekend. Obviously, if there was a crash, I would replace it. Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 09:46:08 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from MAIL (mail.uunt.net [208.206.40.50]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24667 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix.com - 63.67.81.128 by uunt.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:46:00 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: unknown X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: DC-Cycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Oil references Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:50:22 -0400 From: Mark Message-ID: <054e10046131f89MAIL@uunt.net> Go to this GREAT site: http://tempest.ece.uiuc.edu/~cburian/mc/oil/index.html for more than you ever wanted to know about moto oil, including Ed Hackett's original Oil FAQ. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! 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Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 31 09:53:06 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24754 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA25642; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:53:42 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024807; Tue, 31 Aug 99 09:53:09 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHC00H2I1DCVG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567DE.004C22C7 ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:51:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:50:56 -0400 Subject: Ever Have One of Those Rides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567DE.004C2568.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I hope everyone's taking advantage of this great riding weather. Yesterday evening I had one of those rides where everything just seemed perfect. I was having so much fun, it was almost painful to park the bike afterwards. Everything flowed and seemed to "click". I was feeling jumpy and excited at the beginning