From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 01:24:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05685; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08302 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03536 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:42:05 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZSUa13455; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ab804a6.35c29c76@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:41:25 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Jaynik@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, srush@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: POCONO RACES ----> Its a GO!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thats right... i got my requested time off, Aug. 29-30. So I plan on riding up there saturday morning, coming home sunday night. Anyone else trying to go? so far I got: Jon S. Jay T. Scott R. and ME =). If this is it, cool, if more want to go, cool too. =) To those listed above, lets get our heads together and get a hotel setup. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 18:46:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10638; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14007 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12204 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA13752; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: GPz Mailing List , "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: GPz Down for the Count Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I a while ago I had neglected the oil maintenance on the GPz and she stopped shifting as a result. I added oil and things seemed to be OK (after finding the proper level). Last night, I blew the clutch apart. It seems that some of the only surviving parts are the friction/clutch plates. Almost everything else needs to be replace (hub, housing, springs, etc). Total parts cost estimate is around $600-$700. Anyone have any suggestions on how to reduce the parts cost? Are junkyard parts OK for these kinds of things? DC Cycles: Anyone have a clutch holder tool that I could borrow, or have a good home-made one? Thank you. Meanwhile, my wife has graciously offered to let me use her bike (GS650GL). -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 19:31:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10843; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14227 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12655 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-04.dial.nova.org (ra1-04.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.164]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA29680 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: GPz Down for the Count Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 22:53:08 GMT Message-ID: <36039bbf.97201194@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT), Morris Berman wrote: >DC Cycles: Anyone have a clutch holder tool that I could borrow, or = have=20 >a good home-made one? How about tying something around the swingarm and through the rear wheel to keep things from moving? Or just put it into a high gear (assuming you can get into one) and use the rear brake? Then you don't need a clutch holder. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 19:55:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10896; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14347 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12858 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQCPa22301 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559705b5.35c3a12c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:13:47 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Heyser Cycle Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Hmmm.......I stopped by there today. Well, didnt actually stop by since its a long ass ride in the first place but anyway. They ARE having a nice bike sale. Saw a new ZX6R for $6199. Very good price. On to the bad news. They are having a tire sale as well. You can take 20% off the price of the rubber or get free mounting. Sounds good at first until you actually see the prices of the tires!!! OHMYGOD was the first thing that came to mind. Tires that you normally see for $180 were priced at $220 and up! Being in the market for new rubber they were trying to sell me some Pirelli Dragons (200 for rear and 150 for front). They also said that no one has 207s in stock and they are all backordered. Hmmm......I went to CycleSport Springfield later in the day and there was a 207ZR 180 for $139! Well I rode home on a new set of tires........the 207zr rear and a 204 racing front ($100). Mounting is where they hit you at CycleSport. Oh well, the bike feels like its on rails now so I cant complain. So much for Heysers big sale. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 11:55:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16038; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18039 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19688 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA20193; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:14:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-60.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.124) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020185; Sun Aug 2 10:14:43 1998 Message-ID: <35C4ACED.CE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:16:13 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Afternoon Pickup Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suddenly have the afternoon/evening off with nothing to do but ride, anyone for a pickup ride West of the metro area today...I'll leave this on for another hour or two before I take off. Later... HoooRahhhh -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 14:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16711; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18443 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21011 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20770 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust012.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.12]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA18665 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:24:23 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980801172304.00686574@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:23:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Saturday Ride Thanks Anita. I had a great time. Anita had enough route sheets for everyone, it was a nice easy pace out 55 to Point of Rocks with a couple of rest stops along the way. There were a lot of people at the Amoco at Marshall, but only 7 of us started out together. Zbig and Glenn were the fast guys, Anita was our leader, Ursulina, Leslie on a Kat 750, and Butch (the guy who didn't follow the dress code thread) on a new KLR650. Ursulina and I traded bikes for about 20-30 miles. I can see why she rides slowly and doesn't lean. I slid the front twice, once over some rocks/rough pavement. The other time there was only a black stripe down the middle, it acted like oil, but no one else had any problem with it. I think the problem is just that it's a very old, very hard tire. Her bike also has a VERY different seating style. The 454 LTD could probably be made to have a seating style close to the Ninja 250; put a set of drag bars on it, and move the controls back to the passenger pegs, and it would be quite similar. As it is, I found two comfortable positions. For the first one, I laid back until my shoulders were almost against the passenger's backrest, it feels like riding one of those recliner bicycles, but I guess one could get used to it. The other comfortable position was to lean forward until my shoulders almost touched the mirrors. The second method works better for trying to keep up. We had lunch at the Front Porch Restaurant at Point of Rocks. Zbig had a great suggestion that for future rides, we should specify the lunch break rather than the start point. This would require a little more planning before the ride, but it would allow for the big group at lunch with smaller groups going their own way to get there. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:12:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17560; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18957 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22219 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23496 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA09113; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:19 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Roy D. Turner" Cc: "Anita Lauro" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Gary Foreman, LCSA'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [Dress Code] Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 19:35:05 GMT Message-ID: <35c7be9d.578440512@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199808010010.UAA23306@smtp1.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <199808010010.UAA23306@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:08:36 -0400, "Roy D. Turner" wrote: >Anita: You would make a great politician!! ( I really mean that as a >complement). Roy D. Turner, Esq. Roy, Thanks for the complement (even though being called a "politician" these days isn't always a good thing). However, I need rescind my statement that jeans aren't that much better than shorts... jeans are MUCH better than shorts. Leathers or other riding pants would of course still be much better than jeans. After my little incident this morning low-siding my bike I have bruises on my knee but no road rash. My jeans held up, and for that, among other things, I am thankful. Anita '96 GPZ1100 (no longer so new looking) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:50:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17829; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19084 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22615 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21292 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA09551 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:13:37 GMT Message-ID: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a weekend! Had a great ride to Seneca Rocks yesterday... 350+ enjoyable miles. Nearly got run off the road by a house (on a trailer), but all in all a good day. Was tired when I got home, but not exhausted. Today I was debating whether to ride or not. Wound up heading to the Wendy's in Chantilly to meet up with Alan Wheat intending to do the ABATE poker run. Turnout was light (Alan, a friend of his whose name I won't try to spell, his passenger, and myself) so we decided to bag the poker run and hit some of our favorite roads. Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next weekend. Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to crash the next time we ride together! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17921; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19093 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22633 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21297 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id INSFa13456 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7817bdca.35c4c84f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Saturday/Sunday round trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 me and a friend went from DC to Baltimore via BW Parkway, starting saturday afternoon, hung out at the harbor for a couple hours, then took Route 2 to Annapolis - VERY pleasant riding - little 2-lane, not too speedy (we like to actually SEE the things we pass by ;D ) roamed about Annapolis, had coffee, rode around a bit, had dinner, after dinner it was about 10-11 pm and darn chilly! we had no warm clothes as we didn't plan to stay so late .... found a cheap hotel and rode back this morning, route 2 to route 215? (2-something anyway) which goes north and turns into East Capitol street. THAT was beautiful - perfect day for riding - curvy one-lane road ..... not too much traffic and most of what there WAS was very polite ...... beautiful Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 19:17:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18983; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19949 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24242 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.241]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 270; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35C4EA55.D870E3A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:38:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. > Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. Anita, Oh no! I'm sorry to hear about your mishap. I think I know which 10mph curve you are talking about on Braddock, and yes, it is tricky. Don't be too hard on yourself. Wishing your bike a speedy recovery! It sounds mostly cosmetic, although that still sometimes isn't cheap. :( Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:17:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19274; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20236 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24985 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21866 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01849; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:21 -0400 Message-ID: <053801bdbe6e$4c61cdc0$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:35:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Purple medals called for -- a purple heart for you a purple sparkplug for the GPZ. Quick and sure mending to you both. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> . . . Turned out I should have done the poker run... . . . Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:31:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19439; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20292 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25140 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21898 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02028; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: <053f01bdbe70$5a524e80$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: , Subject: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:50:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 On my next trip to A. I'm taking another look at the metal conquistador helmet in the surplus store at mid-Main Street (there in June). Drawbacks yes, but undoubtedly Cortez-approved against all kinds of hazards. "cheap hotel". What price the name? That sounds like a find. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX . . .. then took Route 2 to >Annapolis - . . . found a >cheap hotel . . .. > >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:50:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19524; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20416 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25344 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA09940; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:08:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.102) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009932; Sun Aug 2 19:08:15 1998 Message-ID: <35C529F7.58D3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:09:43 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anita@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ouch, Sorry to hear that Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, first off at least you are ok, secondly as the old saying goes, there are those who have and those who will, so dont take it too hard. Been there /done that myself. At least now you wont worry about the first ding. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:51:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19540; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20429 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25388 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port2.annex4.radix.net [209.48.225.130]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20177 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4FDE2.270A@radix.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:01:38 -0400 From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Reply-To: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Anita, I'm WAY sorry to hear about the bike but glad you're ok! Hope they get your bike back in shape quickly and inexpensively. Dawn 1996 Virago 1100 Special -- *=====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *=====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:54:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19588; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20433 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25418 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21966 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA13345 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 00:17:47 GMT Message-ID: <35d30004.595185674@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46orgot to mention, further proof that people are idiots. Tow truck comes, driver loads the bike up on the flatbed, and we are on our merry way. I'm sitting with the driver in the cab, holding my jacket, helmet, tank bag, etc. Driver notices my jacket and says... I swear this is true... "Why do you wear that jacket when it's this warm out? Because of the wind?" AAUUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!! I just pointed to my bike on the bed behind us and didn't say anything. You'd think the fact that I didn't have blood dripping from anywhere would have registered with the guy!!! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (truly broken in now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:09:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19668; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20481 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25590 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05523 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.104] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00851; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:28:44 -0400 Message-ID: <002801bdbe75$344f3860$6873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:25:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from >the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. >Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I >didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly >I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and >my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, >and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. I, for one, am _very_ glad to hear you're okay! Bikes can be replaced, people cannot. >Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike >should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be >gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next >weekend. Glad to hear it. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:43:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19887; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21021 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25935 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic3.cais.com [207.226.56.3]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id UAA13181 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601bdbe93$2a656540$0338e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ouch !!! Glad you're ok, Sorry about your bike. Wow I hope you can get it back together in time for the trip next weekend. If there's anything I can do let me know. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R "Loki" -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 2:15 PM Subject: Another GPZ down for the count... What a weekend! Had a great ride to Seneca Rocks yesterday... 350+ enjoyable miles. Nearly got run off the road by a house (on a trailer), but all in all a good day. Was tired when I got home, but not exhausted. Today I was debating whether to ride or not. Wound up heading to the Wendy's in Chantilly to meet up with Alan Wheat intending to do the ABATE poker run. Turnout was light (Alan, a friend of his whose name I won't try to spell, his passenger, and myself) so we decided to bag the poker run and hit some of our favorite roads. Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next weekend. Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to crash the next time we ride together! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:55:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19940; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21102 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26104 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-4.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.45]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03298 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdbe7c$0611e4a0$2d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Virtual Riding (Quasi-moto content) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:13:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 For the motion machine impaired -- Currently suffering from Parked Motorcycle Syndrome, have immersed myself in a couple of books that brought sensations akin to the elements-in-the-face arousal of riding. Want 100 foot waves, 100 knot gales, small 70-ft fishing boats and others, people of the sea, weather/comms, helicopters, water rescues, air refueling, protective clothing, etc.? *Nonfiction*, all happening in the fall of 1991. Man/technology/nature in extremis. Be prepared to go cover-to-cover in one sitting. "The Perfect Storm", Sebastian Junger. No. 1 NYT pprbk bestseller. For great visceral storytelling revisited: wolves, -50 deg. weather (yes, yes), sled dogs, bawdy houses, John Barleycorn, gold rush, Hawaiian/South Seas tales of pearls and chieftains, Alice telling her soul. "The Collected Jack London" Barnes and Noble 1992. (Not finished with this one.) All along the lines of Zen and the Art . . .. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 22:44:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20263; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21331 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26602 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA18225; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:03:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.102) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018160; Sun Aug 2 21:03:20 1998 Message-ID: <35C544F4.4687@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:04:52 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody up for a Monday Ride? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I am off Tomorrow and planning a loop around Warrenton etc, anybody up for a monday ride, Im open to any other location. Will check the email before I leave probably around 9am... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 23:28:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20546; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21866 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27041 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11474 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.21] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA01198 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bdbe88$9981eb20$1573c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Looking for David Wakefield Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:44:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Dave, please email me. I need to contact you. Anyone w/ Dave's email address, please forward it to me. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 00:19:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21456; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22087 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27812 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf149.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.149]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA13442; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101bdbe90$17cb2800$423cfea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: New Summit Point Pictures Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have new Summit Point pictures from Sunday's races. Maybe your favorite racer's pic is there? Go to: http://www.fj1100.com/pages/summit.htm Hope you enjoy! Gary Foreman gforeman@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 02:06:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22174; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23445 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28951 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:25:15 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLLOa02268 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:24:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Old faithful says goodbye! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well gang, I'm no salesman, but the bike sold itself. My friend who wanted to buy the Ninja 250 went for a "lesson" today on my Nighthawk at a local parking lot. I was just teaching hime the basics (like where the controls are and how to use them). He had never driven clutch before so he had a hard time with it. Consequently, he dumped the bike (and himself) in some grass next to the parking lot when he attempted to stop but left the clutch out and gave it gas to keep from stalling with the brakes applied! No damage other than a bent gear-shifter (easily repaired!), so he got back up, realized his mistake, and continued riding! After another 2 hours riding, he stopped, got off the bike, and bought it from me!! I'll deliver it next weekend (when he gets paid again!). I'd much rather sell it to him and see it get fixed up and ridden. So the bottom line is... The Nighthawk is sold! Sorry all those that said they might be interested! He said he's gonna use it sometime next May. Then he's gonna look into a sportbike and give the Nighthawk to his girlfriend so she can learn to ride. geez, that will be the.. uh...5th person that it's been the first bike for! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow (ugh, hope that hydraulic clutch system gets fixed soon!) 85 Nighthawk (gone, but I'll see it every time I ride with him) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 03:15:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22632; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23810 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29718 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 02:32:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdbea8$827daf20$3380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and fittings to make steel braided brake lines? In an attempt to make the Wing do something silly like stop when you pull the brake lever, I think I'm gonna have to replace the rubber lines. May as well upgrade at the same time. And no, as far as I can tell, nobody makes a replacement set. Gonna have to make 'em myself. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 03:18:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22643; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23815 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29728 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 02:35:04 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , Subject: RE: Old faithful says goodbye! Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdbea8$da6cf9c0$3380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Please tell me you mean he's going to use it until May. Seemed like you were saying he wouldn't use it *until* may... BTW, good for you AND good for him. Just think how he'd have felt if he'd bought a new Ninja and dumped it like he did the Nighthawk. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 04:49:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23428; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA24511 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA00757 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA14487; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:05:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:57:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Race at Mid Ohio on Home Team Sports NOW To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35e45e8b.15984782@beta.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 1 Aug 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > Superbike racing on tv now... It was also on Thurs on Cycle World(think that's on every Thurs @8pm). Kinda a disappointing race.The Suzi got the holeshot and noone got near him.Chandler was taking it real easy 'cause of his injury.The VR seemed to be doing good at first,but then started having electrical glitches.Man I wish HD would put some money in their team. Interesting observation;in the last World Superbike race I saw,the RC's were running standard swingarms.But in the AMA race the Erion bikes had the single-sides.Wonder if this is because of team preference or division rules? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 07:50:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24586; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25172 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02764 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02729 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:02:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That sux Anita. The good news is you are OK. Don't think just because you didn't go on the poker run you may not of had an incident. You never know, you could have been involved in a worse one! The bad news is you have to fix your bike. No biggie. Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: Home (703) 658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 Work (703) 692-9021 Glenn > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. > Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I > didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly > I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and > my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, > and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. > > The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the > left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up > the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... > the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in > gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow > truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we > waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out > how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). > > What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it > was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the > time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there > goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far > over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in > yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't > any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... > nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. > Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. > > Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike > should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be > gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next > weekend. > > Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike > stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to > crash the next time we ride together! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 07:53:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24609; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25176 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02778 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02799 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:06:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) OK, here it is again... Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't have any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down the street at Arlington Electronics. And you should be real happy with this since you won't be giving your money to those "mail order places". Glenn > Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and > fittings to make steel braided brake lines? In an attempt to make the Wing > do something silly like stop when you pull the brake lever, I think I'm > gonna have to replace the rubber lines. May as well upgrade at the same > time. And no, as far as I can tell, nobody makes a replacement set. Gonna > have to make 'em myself. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 08:29:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24838; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25346 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03128 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980803114227.18588.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.122.54.194] by send1d; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:42:27 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:42:27 -0700 (PDT) From: James Campbell Subject: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well folks, the CAMS ride Sunday was my first group ride. Good people. Nice bikes. Decent pace. I had to pull out a bit early to hit the Super Slab and get home so the wife could make it to work, but no mishaps were reported by the time I left. I'm guessing everyone made it home safe. Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. Thanks for letting me tag along.... Sarge 98 FLSTF aka James Campbell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:10:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25093; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25586 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03662 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24500 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA24500@saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD12397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:09 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400 To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... In-Reply-To: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:13 PM 8/2/98 +0000, Anita Lauro wrote: > Most importantly I'm not injured Glad you're okay. >What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it >was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the >time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there >goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far >over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in >yet so the tire just slid out. That's possible. Two other possiblities are 1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted the ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. 2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. This extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should lean with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright. If you find yourself running out of arm length when countersteering through a turn, then you're probably not leaning with the bike (if your body doesn't lean with the bike, the inside handlebar is farther away than if your body does lean). Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those tires if they're very old. I bought a bike with original, 13-year-old tires on it. I pressed them with my thumb to "check" tire pressure before I test rode it. It handled like a pig, and I finally traced it to the tire pressure - 10 lbs. in one, and an unmeasurably low pressure in the other tire. A friend called them "old, cast-iron tires" - which I agreed with and replaced them right away. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:11:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25098; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25587 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03663 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA03663@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD14397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:11 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:33:17 -0400 To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: braided lines In-Reply-To: <000801bdbea8$827daf20$3380e2cf@ghowell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:32 AM 8/3/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and >fittings to make steel braided brake lines? I found a shop that shipped my rubber brake hoses to Galfer, who made braided steel lines just like the rubber hoses. The shop might be out of business now, it was in White Plains, Maryland, in the industrial area across the road from Atlantic Cycle - it was a small shop, a hundred feet from Kustom Chrome, I think. Anyway, inquire about Galfer - I bet they could do what you want. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:11:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25102; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25583 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03656 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA03656@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD16397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:10 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:27:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Old faithful says goodbye! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:24 AM 8/3/98 -0400, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >I was just teaching hime the basics (like where the controls are and how >to use them). He had never driven clutch before so he had a hard time with it. >Consequently, he dumped the bike...After another 2 hours riding, he stopped, >got off the bike, and bought it from me!! I'll deliver it next weekend Be sure to tell him to take the motorcycle riding course (NoVa Community College in Virginia, 800-638-1722 in Maryland). He could really use it, and tell him it's an easy way to get his license and to practice on someone elses bike. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:12:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25132; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25612 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03727 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.14 (pix000093.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.105]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA18598 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:15 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9808030834.AA04233@172.17.2.14> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:34:04 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Questions on Technic Jackets Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Hey All, I saw a Technic (Tecnic??) jacket at Cycle Sports in Herndon last weekend for $279. It was a summer leather I suppose as it had all the perforated holes or whatever you call them. (I think the model was the Chicane??) It had the plastics in the elbows and back Anyhow, it was a Technic jacket, so I'm wondering A. Are those good/quality jackets? B. How does that price sound? Thanks for any info. Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:32:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25313; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26038 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03925 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02356 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: <005801bdbedd$6afc2040$2d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Guggenheim's Most Popular Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Below from the front page of the New York Times today -- Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ******** Biker Crowd Finds Harley Heaven at Highbrow Museum By CAROL VOGEL Bikers have brought record crowds to the Guggenheim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- . . .. The cause of this convergence, to the consternation of more traditionalist elements in the art world, is "The Art of the Motorcycle," an exhibition quite different from anything else that the Museum Mile on Fifth Avenue has ever experienced. Bathed in biker glory, it has become the most highly attended exhibition in the Guggenheim's 61-year history, far outstripping retrospectives of Robert Rauschenberg, Roy Lichtenstein and Ellsworth Kelly and more popular than authoritative surveys of Chinese, Russian and Italian art. And the crowds are growing steadily. Right now, the average attendance at the relatively modest-size museum is about 45 percent higher than normal, with more than 5,000 people a day visiting on the weekends. If this popularity continues, Guggenheim officials say, they expect more than 500,000 people to have seen "The Art of the Motorcycle" by the time it closes on Sept. 20, and they estimate that the museum could make upward of $1 million on ticket and retail sales alone. Consider the sales: The exhibition's 427-page color catalog ($85 for the hardcover; $45 for the paperback) has gone through a first printing of 30,000, and a second printing is under way. Along with the de rigueur motorcycle books, mugs, T-shirts, beach blankets, posters and postcards, there are a Ducati windbreaker ($45), "The Henna Body Art Kit: Everything You Need to Create Stunning Temporary Tattoos" ($29.95), a child's red plastic BMW motorcycle ($120) and a full set of bright red or yellow Ducati one-piece leather jump suits ($1,595). . . .. On display is a chronological look at motorcycles beginning on the museum's ground floor with the earliest-known example, the 1868 French velocipede, which resembles a bicycle with a steam engine under its seat, all the way up to a shiny red-and-gray MV Agusta F4, this year's hottest Italian motorcycle. Created by a noted designer, Massimo Tamburini, it has a four-cylinder engine designed by the Ferrari car company and looks like something Batman would ride in the 21st century. But is it art? The exhibition has left some cognoscenti groaning. "The Guggenheim might bring in more people if they offered rides from Coney Island," said Stephen Mazoh, a private art dealer from Rhinebeck, N.Y., whose clients have included some of this country's most important collectors, among them Walter Annenberg, Ronald Lauder, Leonard Lauder and Donald Marron. "Motorcycles belong in a design museum or a museum for automobiles, but not at the Guggenheim," Mazoh said. "They may think they're getting a new audience, but none of these people will come back." Krens said the show never made the claim that motorcycles were art. "We are interested in 20th-century culture," he said. "Obviously we're extending the traditional frame of the museum. Motorcycles gave us a rich cultural narrative, and this show is a serious attempt to look at an icon of our time." More than 30 iconically inclined motorcycle clubs have flooded the museum with group ticket requests, including the Cobras M.C. of Jamaica, Queens; the Star of David M.C. of Brooklyn and others from as far away as North Carolina and Wisconsin. "It was everyone's first time at the Guggenheim," said Don Miller, who with his wife, Peg, organized a museum outing for 21 members of the Bucks County Motorcycle Association, a 2-year-old club from Bristol, Pa. "The group particularly enjoyed the old gray Harley. It was the town-and-country exhaust that opened and closed that they thought was pretty cool." (He was referring to the 1911 Harley-Davidson Model 7D, popularly known as "the silent gray fellow.") Because museum officials had warned the group about the difficulties of parking in Manhattan, its members took a train to New York rather than riding their motorcycles, Miller said. After the show, the group had lunch at the Harley-Davidson Cafe at the Avenue of the Americas and 56th Street. . . .. For women who ride motorcycles, the Ducati Monster is also the rage. "I saw three women ride up to the museum on them last Sunday," said Ultan Guilfoyle, the Guggenheim's curatorial adviser to the show. "The look of them is aggressive yet sexy. In Italy, the 600-cc model is selling right now to more women than men." On view in the show is the M900 Monster 904-cc. . . .. All this said, the museum has also drawn the motorcycle-challenged. "My cousin has a 14-year-old son visiting from Knoxville, Tenn., and we thought this was something he'd be interested in," said Victoria Olds, 81, who carefully examined each bike. "My experience with motorcycles has only been the loud noise they make on the street. But I'm learning. They're really very beautiful machines." ******** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:53:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25678; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26308 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04261 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24684 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA23658; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <35dbb6fe.642035124@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199808031225.IAA18233@mail1.monumental.com> In-Reply-To: <199808031225.IAA18233@mail1.monumental.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400, you wrote: >That's possible. Two other possiblities are >1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted = the >ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the >ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. This is a good possibility... the tailpipe, centerstand, and sidestand all scraped the ground, as well as the shift lever, which was bent to a 45 degree angle before snapping the whole footpeg assembly off the bike. Plus the road was not banked, and definitely sloped away from the center (crowned I guess, except that turns are supposed to be banked). So, I didn't have to lean all that far over before stuff started touching down. >2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his >body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. = This >extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should = lean >with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright.=20 I think I lean okay... but I will be practicing cornering when I get the bike back.=20 >Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those >tires if they're very old. =20 Leon was riding Ursulina's bike, so I think those are the old, hard tires. My tires are technically 2 years old, but have less than a year of use on them. Thanks for the info! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (heading over to find out the bad news now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:58:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25785; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26424 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04360 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08041 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10399 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5B836.F85CE12@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:16:38 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: DON'T PAY FOR A TOW TRUCK! was GPZ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please add me to this list. I have a trailer with tie downs. If I can get access to something to tow it with, I can also help. I think I remember $90 as the cost for the truck. How long would you have to work to earn that amount? How many parts could you buy for that money? Leon Home (703) 590-9073 Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a > lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay > for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in > your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: > > Home (703) 658-4870 > Mobile (703) 855-4870 > Work (703) 692-9021 > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:16:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26094; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26658 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04720 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10978; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:36:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5BC76.775088A5@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:34:46 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Campbell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... References: <19980803114227.18588.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 > (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear > I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. > Some airplanes have radar transmitters, Virginia probably owns some airplanes. But I doubt that anyone in any state has ever gotten a speeding ticket from "airplane-based radar." I don't think Virginia uses airplanes for speed enforcement in any manner. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:39:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26464; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26913 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05298 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMTYa11436 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f8df66f.35c5c1cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:57:34 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guggenheim's Most Popular Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Nice little article, but I have to object to the idea that motorcycles are not art. They are MORE artful than alot of the junk I have seen in some museums. What do people usually think of when you talk about art and artists?? The artist has a passion for his work. The design of it comes from within the artist. Art is so intricate and has so many sides thats its near impossible to find them all. Hmmmm.......sounds like motorcycling to me. They should ask some of the Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Duc, etc designers if they care about their work. Ive seen interviews with the designers and engineers and I can say that they are just as zealous about their work as Da Vinci or Picasso. All designs originate within the designers, look at the R1. So intricate and complex and every single piece came from within the engineers, etc. Sorry to be so long winded, but bikes are an art all to themselves. Like alot of art, only some people can appreciate it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:40:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26485; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27032 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05363 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25064 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:19 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id EXSWa11435; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <735a8610.35c5c20d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:36 EDT To: mobacc@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/2/98 8:56:08 PM, mobacc@XXXXXX wrote: <<"cheap hotel". What price the name? That sounds like a find.>> it was an Econolodge - but we kind of got a deal :D the rooms were going for $100 a night but since we only lived a half hour or so away we didn't want to pay more than $20. We asked the price, guy said $100 but then added "unless you want a room with no towels, those are going for $40" hmmmm. no towels? no problem! take a shower when i get home in the morning...... I said, "how about $25?" He said, "I can let it go for $30" I said, " Oh C'mon! no one else is going to come in a nd take a room without towels!" End result: $25 for the room, $3 for tax, plus a $5 key deposit, returned upon departure. :D Life is good. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26733; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27505 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05889 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04766 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:14:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803141404.OFS876@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:14:04 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdbee8$f776f3a0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sorry to hear about your accident. Glad you are ok. I broke the left footpeg off my first bike 10 minutes into riding. I moved the passenger peg up and continued riding. Well, actually I went to the dealer and ordered a new one (and engine guards). A set of small vise-grips might sub for a clutch lever in a pinch (pun intended). Always thinking of ways to keep the bike running... Hope it gets fixed in time for your trip. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze Anita Lauro said: Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:10:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27170; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27860 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06470 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25432 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06610; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... In-Reply-To: <35dbb6fe.642035124@relay.mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know that turn... almost ate it there a bit back... yep it is crowned... and I almost freaked when I saw the 10MPH sign... (I personaly can only counter stear at 15-20... no slower...) To top that off some dork two cars infront of me decided that his truck could not make it, and slammed on his brakes... I was then braking on a slightly leaning, but turning the handle bar 10MPH turn on a crowned rode! I decided I needed a little refreshment brake when I passed the next 7-11. To make it worse I had layed down in a tight turn just two weeks earlier, so I was still taking turns with a bit more fear then normal. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400, you wrote: > > >That's possible. Two other possiblities are > >1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted the > >ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the > >ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. > > This is a good possibility... the tailpipe, centerstand, and sidestand > all scraped the ground, as well as the shift lever, which was bent to > a 45 degree angle before snapping the whole footpeg assembly off the > bike. Plus the road was not banked, and definitely sloped away from > the center (crowned I guess, except that turns are supposed to be > banked). So, I didn't have to lean all that far over before stuff > started touching down. > > >2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his > >body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. This > >extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should lean > >with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright. > > I think I lean okay... but I will be practicing cornering when I get > the bike back. > > >Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those > >tires if they're very old. > > Leon was riding Ursulina's bike, so I think those are the old, hard > tires. My tires are technically 2 years old, but have less than a > year of use on them. > > Thanks for the info! > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (heading over to find out the bad news now) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:10:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27180; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27864 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06531 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00632 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11827 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031429.KAA11827@shell.clark.net> Subject: Cost of towing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I just wanted to make one comment about the towing cost, and towing programs. It's great that we have a bunch of people who are willing to come out and tow us if we need it, and if I had more than a wimpy Grand Am, I'd probably join in that group. However, there are some towing programs out there (handy if you are out of town). I just saw a new one which looked really interesting that I wanted to let you know about. It's a Motorcycle Riders Visa card. Just a regular credit card, but one of the member benefits is free towing (more accurately, the first $100 is free). I saw the brochure at Coleman's Woodbridge. I read it over several times, and asked several questions to the finance guy, but it seems ligit. It's through MTS, which is what most of the towing plans use. There is no annual fee for the credit card. You even get to pick what kind of motorcycles you want on the card (touring, dirt, etc). I just got the card and information. There is a limit of 4 tows a year (seems reasonable). Other than that I couldn't find any other catch. I always pay my card in full (except when the Post office looses my bill, but that's a different story) so it seems to be like getting towing service for free. I hope I'll never need it, but it's nice to know it's there. There are brochures at Coleman's in Woodbridge (I wouldn't know about Falls Church, I rarely go there) for more info. I hope I'm not making this sound like spam. Just wanted to let you all know. If anyone does find out about any catches that I didn't see, please let me know! Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:13:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27223; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27904 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06634 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 142; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5CA11.19AFD88F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:32:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anybody up for a Monday Ride? References: <35C544F4.4687@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gee, Ken, Thanks for kicking a guy when he's down. Mondays at work are bad enough. Hope you have a good ride in spite of my ill will. :) All the above in jest, of course! Dale Ken wrote: > > Well, I am off Tomorrow and planning a loop around Warrenton etc, > anybody up for a monday ride, Im open to any other location. Will check > the email before I leave probably around 9am... > -- > Ken S. > HDKnight > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:16:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27258; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28013 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06721 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Dc Cycles Subject: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:41:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Stopped by Cycle Sport on the way into work... I guess I should make note of the service manager's name since he's always nice to me! Anyhow, he said that if I pay extra for shipping they should be able to fix the mechanical part (new clutch lever, footpeg, shifter and big metal piece that the footpeg assembly bolts to) by Friday. He said if the parts were local they might be able to fix everything, but I'm not expecting that. The bill is going to be high... a new front fairing, lower left fairing and tailpipe will be over $1,000. Never mind the labor and other bits. Ack! I decided to go ahead with the insurance claim... turns out that my accident free discount on my car policy will remain intact because it is a separate policy. I'll be able to submit the tow charge as part of the claim as well. Must have been a bad weekend for accidents, the lady I spoke with said it was her third accident report this morning. Took some pictures of my bike for my photo album... the good side, and the bad side! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (ouch!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:18:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27290; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28086 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06763 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06823; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA02847; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA22077; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:40 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA22073; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:39 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDBEB1.7303A730@XXXXXX>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride/Ursulina's new tire Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:30:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 60 TEXT, 82 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Leon, Thanks for giving me a good excuse for not leaning and riding slow, but now that I've got the new tire on I guess I'll have to come up with a new set of excuses. ;-) Leon, thanks again for all the effort that went into replacing my front tire. It rides great and feels much smoother around corners. WV twisties here I come!!! :-D Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 10:23 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Ride Thanks Anita. I had a great time. Anita had enough route sheets for everyone, it was a nice easy pace out 55 to Point of Rocks with a couple of rest stops along the way. There were a lot of people at the Amoco at Marshall, but only 7 of us started out together. Zbig and Glenn were the fast guys, Anita was our leader, Ursulina, Leslie on a Kat 750, and Butch (the guy who didn't follow the dress code thread) on a new KLR650. Ursulina and I traded bikes for about 20-30 miles. I can see why she rides slowly and doesn't lean. I slid the front twice, once over some rocks/rough pavement. 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M5%1-04E,)7 ]0514)6P]2%%%3D=?35-',#(M.3@P.# S,30S,#4Q6BTT-3- <:'$M;7-G,#$N;G=E; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06783 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11668 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:43:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Leon Begeman , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: DON'T PAY FOR A TOW TRUCK! was GPZ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:43:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, August 03, 1998 9:17 AM, Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] wrote: > I think I remember $90 as the cost for the truck. How long would you > have to work to earn that amount? How many parts could you buy for that > money? Yep, that's how much it cost. It'll count towards my deductible for the accident so in this case it worked out okay. But, I'll carry the numbers with me from now on! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:40:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27985; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28948 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07543 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12604 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 353; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:57:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5CFF8.B2E16CCC@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:58:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a > lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay > for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in > your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: > > Home (703) 658-4870 > Mobile (703) 855-4870 > Work (703) 692-9021 > > Glenn > Glenn, (and Collin, too) Thanks for the offer (as I quickly scribble down your phone number, I've already got Collin's) Here's hoping I never need to call either one of you guys for a tow, though, if you know what I mean... :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:48:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28306; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29193 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08120 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:04:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Guggenheim's Most Popular Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:04:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdbef0$06a447e0$3580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f8df66f.35c5c1cf@aol.com> > Nice little article, but I have to object to the idea that > motorcycles are not > art. They are MORE artful than alot of the junk I have seen in > some museums. > What do people usually think of when you talk about art and artists?? The > artist has a passion for his work. The design of it comes from within the > artist. Art is so intricate and has so many sides thats its near > impossible > to find them all. Hmmmm.......sounds like motorcycling to me. > They should ask some of the Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Duc, etc > designers if they > care about their work. Ive seen interviews with the designers > and engineers > and I can say that they are just as zealous about their work as > Da Vinci or > Picasso. All designs originate within the designers, look at the R1. So > intricate and complex and every single piece came from within the > engineers, > etc. > Sorry to be so long winded, but bikes are an art all to > themselves. Like alot > of art, only some people can appreciate it. > The real problem is that MORE people can appreciate the art in a motorcycle than they can the typical 'art' in the Guggenheim. That's the problem. Here is an art form that you don't have to be a pencil-necked art-snob effete to appreciate. Joe Six Pack might not be able to talk about the contrast of organic and metal, but he can certainly tell you that he likes the looks of a new Fat Boy. Art snobs are afraid. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:04:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28550; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29930 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08881 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26162 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27895; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803152155.BEYQ876@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:21:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803152155.BEYQ876@[166.41.242.141]> LOL!! That's a good one! Damn sorry to hear about your scrap with the tarmac, but it sounds like you've spent a little time thinking about it. That's good! Real glad you're OK! Bike is #2 priority dontcha know. Looking forward to seeing you out this Saturday. Todd __________________-original-________________ Forgot to mention, further proof that people are idiots. Tow truck comes, driver loads the bike up on the flatbed, and we are on our merry way. I'm sitting with the driver in the cab, holding my jacket, helmet, tank bag, etc. Driver notices my jacket and says... I swear this is true... "Why do you wear that jacket when it's this warm out? Because of the wind?" AAUUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!! I just pointed to my bike on the bed behind us and didn't say anything. You'd think the fact that I didn't have blood dripping from anywhere would have registered with the guy!!! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (truly broken in now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:10:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28717; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00237 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09227 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 347; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:28:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980803112750.00b316a0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:28:47 -0400 To: Leon Begeman , James Campbell From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Its funny this came up. Just yesterday I was with a friend in Richmond and he pointed at the spot he was pulled over - hit with Helicopter radar. The cop pointed to a spot and told him to watch, and sure enough, a helicopter popped out over the woods, then swept back in. He also mentioned seeing a MC Cop on an overpass shooting radar, and a mile down the road were 6 troopers in a row. I think airplanes would be a lot harder to shoot radar from. At least helicopters can hover (please no flames from Harrier pilots!) MT At 09:34 AM 8/3/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >> Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 >> (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear >> I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. >> > >Some airplanes have radar transmitters, Virginia probably owns some >airplanes. > >But I doubt that anyone in any state has ever gotten a speeding ticket >from "airplane-based radar." > >I don't think Virginia uses airplanes for speed enforcement in any >manner. > >-- >Leon >Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 >Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:36:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29666; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00963 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10742 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA18188; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803155441.VUFY11077@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:54:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: James Campbell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803155441.VUFY11077@[166.41.242.141]> Hi James, As far as I know, everyone made it home ok. The show was pretty cool too. Kind of fune to see what it must have been like not so very long ago. For everyone else that missed it, the ride attracted over 20 bikes at the start. The Silver Diner was buzzing. A very relaxed day heading out to Bealeton for the Flying Circus, and splitting up from there for home. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold. -- Helen Keller _____________-original-___________ Well folks, the CAMS ride Sunday was my first group ride. Good people. Nice bikes. Decent pace. I had to pull out a bit early to hit the Super Slab and get home so the wife could make it to work, but no mishaps were reported by the time I left. I'm guessing everyone made it home safe. Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. Thanks for letting me tag along.... Sarge 98 FLSTF aka James Campbell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29726; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01012 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10830 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z3N0K-0001DE-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:32 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:39 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45A7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Blue Book Page (?) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My friend who's buying the ZX wants to know the address of the page that lists motorcycle prices for used bikes. Does anyone have it? It's not on the MCN page as far as I can tell. I looked Friday. Thanks! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:42:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29780; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01110 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10907 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:57 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220131B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: bike tows.. Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Collin sure helped me out in a pinch 2 weeks ago too.. 7am, my clutch failed on the way to work. I was stranded. He drove (in rush hour traffic) way out of his way to come get me.. I managed to only be 2 hours late for work even.. I'd help people out too.. though I've no 4-wheeled vehicles at all, so it'd be limited to mechanical road-side assistance.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:53:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29970; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01259 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11552 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27679; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:11:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803161127.BPTC876@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:11:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Gary Foreman" CC: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: Re: New Summit Point Pictures X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803161127.BPTC876@[166.41.242.141]> Hey Gary, Not bad! A lot of the crash action occured during the National Endurance on Saturday though. Between turns 1 and 5 (where most of your pics seemed to come from), the race lost 13-14 bikes from a start of 38! Memorable moments for me (in turn 1): - Warm up lap for main event, rider goes down at beginning of turn and bike is toast. No race for him! - Third lap into main event, Brian Bemisderfer(sp) goes down in first third of turn. Brake lever is busted but bike is running. Brian punching himself in helmet, "Stupid, STUpid"!! DNF! - 2nd hour, contact in late apex and rider is down. Bike endovers off track but rider tumbles into center, head up stream. There are bikes JUST missing this guy in the middle of the track. Corner captain determines stars floating around helmet and gets the rider up and off the track...NO RED FLAG...WOW!! - Tanned brunnette wearing oh so little in the form of bikini, laying out on her station wagon :) Todd Message-ID: <001101bdbe90$17cb2800$423cfea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: New Summit Point Pictures Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:59 -0400 I have new Summit Point pictures from Sunday's races. Maybe your favorite racer's pic is there? Go to: http://www.fj1100.com/pages/summit.htm Hope you enjoy! 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