From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 01:24:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05685; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08302 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03536 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:42:05 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZSUa13455; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ab804a6.35c29c76@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:41:25 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Jaynik@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, srush@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: POCONO RACES ----> Its a GO!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thats right... i got my requested time off, Aug. 29-30. So I plan on riding up there saturday morning, coming home sunday night. Anyone else trying to go? so far I got: Jon S. Jay T. Scott R. and ME =). If this is it, cool, if more want to go, cool too. =) To those listed above, lets get our heads together and get a hotel setup. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 18:46:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10638; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14007 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12204 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA13752; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: GPz Mailing List , "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: GPz Down for the Count Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I a while ago I had neglected the oil maintenance on the GPz and she stopped shifting as a result. I added oil and things seemed to be OK (after finding the proper level). Last night, I blew the clutch apart. It seems that some of the only surviving parts are the friction/clutch plates. Almost everything else needs to be replace (hub, housing, springs, etc). Total parts cost estimate is around $600-$700. Anyone have any suggestions on how to reduce the parts cost? Are junkyard parts OK for these kinds of things? DC Cycles: Anyone have a clutch holder tool that I could borrow, or have a good home-made one? Thank you. Meanwhile, my wife has graciously offered to let me use her bike (GS650GL). -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 19:31:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10843; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14227 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12655 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-04.dial.nova.org (ra1-04.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.164]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA29680 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: GPz Down for the Count Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 22:53:08 GMT Message-ID: <36039bbf.97201194@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT), Morris Berman wrote: >DC Cycles: Anyone have a clutch holder tool that I could borrow, or = have=20 >a good home-made one? How about tying something around the swingarm and through the rear wheel to keep things from moving? Or just put it into a high gear (assuming you can get into one) and use the rear brake? Then you don't need a clutch holder. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 19:55:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10896; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14347 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12858 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQCPa22301 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559705b5.35c3a12c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:13:47 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Heyser Cycle Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Hmmm.......I stopped by there today. Well, didnt actually stop by since its a long ass ride in the first place but anyway. They ARE having a nice bike sale. Saw a new ZX6R for $6199. Very good price. On to the bad news. They are having a tire sale as well. You can take 20% off the price of the rubber or get free mounting. Sounds good at first until you actually see the prices of the tires!!! OHMYGOD was the first thing that came to mind. Tires that you normally see for $180 were priced at $220 and up! Being in the market for new rubber they were trying to sell me some Pirelli Dragons (200 for rear and 150 for front). They also said that no one has 207s in stock and they are all backordered. Hmmm......I went to CycleSport Springfield later in the day and there was a 207ZR 180 for $139! Well I rode home on a new set of tires........the 207zr rear and a 204 racing front ($100). Mounting is where they hit you at CycleSport. Oh well, the bike feels like its on rails now so I cant complain. So much for Heysers big sale. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 11:55:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16038; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18039 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19688 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA20193; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:14:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-60.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.124) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020185; Sun Aug 2 10:14:43 1998 Message-ID: <35C4ACED.CE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:16:13 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Afternoon Pickup Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suddenly have the afternoon/evening off with nothing to do but ride, anyone for a pickup ride West of the metro area today...I'll leave this on for another hour or two before I take off. Later... HoooRahhhh -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 14:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16711; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18443 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21011 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20770 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust012.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.12]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA18665 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:24:23 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980801172304.00686574@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:23:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Saturday Ride Thanks Anita. I had a great time. Anita had enough route sheets for everyone, it was a nice easy pace out 55 to Point of Rocks with a couple of rest stops along the way. There were a lot of people at the Amoco at Marshall, but only 7 of us started out together. Zbig and Glenn were the fast guys, Anita was our leader, Ursulina, Leslie on a Kat 750, and Butch (the guy who didn't follow the dress code thread) on a new KLR650. Ursulina and I traded bikes for about 20-30 miles. I can see why she rides slowly and doesn't lean. I slid the front twice, once over some rocks/rough pavement. The other time there was only a black stripe down the middle, it acted like oil, but no one else had any problem with it. I think the problem is just that it's a very old, very hard tire. Her bike also has a VERY different seating style. The 454 LTD could probably be made to have a seating style close to the Ninja 250; put a set of drag bars on it, and move the controls back to the passenger pegs, and it would be quite similar. As it is, I found two comfortable positions. For the first one, I laid back until my shoulders were almost against the passenger's backrest, it feels like riding one of those recliner bicycles, but I guess one could get used to it. The other comfortable position was to lean forward until my shoulders almost touched the mirrors. The second method works better for trying to keep up. We had lunch at the Front Porch Restaurant at Point of Rocks. Zbig had a great suggestion that for future rides, we should specify the lunch break rather than the start point. This would require a little more planning before the ride, but it would allow for the big group at lunch with smaller groups going their own way to get there. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:12:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17560; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18957 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22219 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23496 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA09113; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:19 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Roy D. Turner" Cc: "Anita Lauro" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Gary Foreman, LCSA'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [Dress Code] Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 19:35:05 GMT Message-ID: <35c7be9d.578440512@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199808010010.UAA23306@smtp1.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <199808010010.UAA23306@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:08:36 -0400, "Roy D. Turner" wrote: >Anita: You would make a great politician!! ( I really mean that as a >complement). Roy D. Turner, Esq. Roy, Thanks for the complement (even though being called a "politician" these days isn't always a good thing). However, I need rescind my statement that jeans aren't that much better than shorts... jeans are MUCH better than shorts. Leathers or other riding pants would of course still be much better than jeans. After my little incident this morning low-siding my bike I have bruises on my knee but no road rash. My jeans held up, and for that, among other things, I am thankful. Anita '96 GPZ1100 (no longer so new looking) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:50:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17829; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19084 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22615 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21292 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA09551 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:13:37 GMT Message-ID: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a weekend! Had a great ride to Seneca Rocks yesterday... 350+ enjoyable miles. Nearly got run off the road by a house (on a trailer), but all in all a good day. Was tired when I got home, but not exhausted. Today I was debating whether to ride or not. Wound up heading to the Wendy's in Chantilly to meet up with Alan Wheat intending to do the ABATE poker run. Turnout was light (Alan, a friend of his whose name I won't try to spell, his passenger, and myself) so we decided to bag the poker run and hit some of our favorite roads. Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next weekend. Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to crash the next time we ride together! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17921; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19093 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22633 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21297 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id INSFa13456 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7817bdca.35c4c84f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Saturday/Sunday round trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 me and a friend went from DC to Baltimore via BW Parkway, starting saturday afternoon, hung out at the harbor for a couple hours, then took Route 2 to Annapolis - VERY pleasant riding - little 2-lane, not too speedy (we like to actually SEE the things we pass by ;D ) roamed about Annapolis, had coffee, rode around a bit, had dinner, after dinner it was about 10-11 pm and darn chilly! we had no warm clothes as we didn't plan to stay so late .... found a cheap hotel and rode back this morning, route 2 to route 215? (2-something anyway) which goes north and turns into East Capitol street. THAT was beautiful - perfect day for riding - curvy one-lane road ..... not too much traffic and most of what there WAS was very polite ...... beautiful Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 19:17:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18983; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19949 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24242 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.241]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 270; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35C4EA55.D870E3A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:38:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. > Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. Anita, Oh no! I'm sorry to hear about your mishap. I think I know which 10mph curve you are talking about on Braddock, and yes, it is tricky. Don't be too hard on yourself. Wishing your bike a speedy recovery! It sounds mostly cosmetic, although that still sometimes isn't cheap. :( Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:17:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19274; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20236 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24985 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21866 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01849; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:21 -0400 Message-ID: <053801bdbe6e$4c61cdc0$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:35:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Purple medals called for -- a purple heart for you a purple sparkplug for the GPZ. Quick and sure mending to you both. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> . . . Turned out I should have done the poker run... . . . Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:31:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19439; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20292 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25140 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21898 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02028; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: <053f01bdbe70$5a524e80$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: , Subject: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:50:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 On my next trip to A. I'm taking another look at the metal conquistador helmet in the surplus store at mid-Main Street (there in June). Drawbacks yes, but undoubtedly Cortez-approved against all kinds of hazards. "cheap hotel". What price the name? That sounds like a find. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX . . .. then took Route 2 to >Annapolis - . . . found a >cheap hotel . . .. > >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:50:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19524; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20416 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25344 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA09940; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:08:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.102) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009932; Sun Aug 2 19:08:15 1998 Message-ID: <35C529F7.58D3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:09:43 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anita@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ouch, Sorry to hear that Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, first off at least you are ok, secondly as the old saying goes, there are those who have and those who will, so dont take it too hard. Been there /done that myself. At least now you wont worry about the first ding. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:51:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19540; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20429 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25388 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port2.annex4.radix.net [209.48.225.130]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20177 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4FDE2.270A@radix.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:01:38 -0400 From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Reply-To: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Anita, I'm WAY sorry to hear about the bike but glad you're ok! Hope they get your bike back in shape quickly and inexpensively. Dawn 1996 Virago 1100 Special -- *=====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *=====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:54:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19588; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20433 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25418 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21966 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA13345 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 00:17:47 GMT Message-ID: <35d30004.595185674@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46orgot to mention, further proof that people are idiots. Tow truck comes, driver loads the bike up on the flatbed, and we are on our merry way. I'm sitting with the driver in the cab, holding my jacket, helmet, tank bag, etc. Driver notices my jacket and says... I swear this is true... "Why do you wear that jacket when it's this warm out? Because of the wind?" AAUUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!! I just pointed to my bike on the bed behind us and didn't say anything. You'd think the fact that I didn't have blood dripping from anywhere would have registered with the guy!!! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (truly broken in now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:09:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19668; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20481 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25590 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05523 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.104] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00851; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:28:44 -0400 Message-ID: <002801bdbe75$344f3860$6873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:25:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from >the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. >Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I >didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly >I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and >my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, >and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. I, for one, am _very_ glad to hear you're okay! Bikes can be replaced, people cannot. >Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike >should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be >gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next >weekend. Glad to hear it. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:43:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19887; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21021 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25935 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic3.cais.com [207.226.56.3]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id UAA13181 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601bdbe93$2a656540$0338e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ouch !!! Glad you're ok, Sorry about your bike. Wow I hope you can get it back together in time for the trip next weekend. If there's anything I can do let me know. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R "Loki" -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 2:15 PM Subject: Another GPZ down for the count... What a weekend! Had a great ride to Seneca Rocks yesterday... 350+ enjoyable miles. Nearly got run off the road by a house (on a trailer), but all in all a good day. Was tired when I got home, but not exhausted. Today I was debating whether to ride or not. Wound up heading to the Wendy's in Chantilly to meet up with Alan Wheat intending to do the ABATE poker run. Turnout was light (Alan, a friend of his whose name I won't try to spell, his passenger, and myself) so we decided to bag the poker run and hit some of our favorite roads. Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next weekend. Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to crash the next time we ride together! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:55:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19940; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21102 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26104 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-4.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.45]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03298 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdbe7c$0611e4a0$2d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Virtual Riding (Quasi-moto content) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:13:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 For the motion machine impaired -- Currently suffering from Parked Motorcycle Syndrome, have immersed myself in a couple of books that brought sensations akin to the elements-in-the-face arousal of riding. Want 100 foot waves, 100 knot gales, small 70-ft fishing boats and others, people of the sea, weather/comms, helicopters, water rescues, air refueling, protective clothing, etc.? *Nonfiction*, all happening in the fall of 1991. Man/technology/nature in extremis. Be prepared to go cover-to-cover in one sitting. "The Perfect Storm", Sebastian Junger. No. 1 NYT pprbk bestseller. For great visceral storytelling revisited: wolves, -50 deg. weather (yes, yes), sled dogs, bawdy houses, John Barleycorn, gold rush, Hawaiian/South Seas tales of pearls and chieftains, Alice telling her soul. "The Collected Jack London" Barnes and Noble 1992. (Not finished with this one.) All along the lines of Zen and the Art . . .. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 22:44:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20263; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21331 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26602 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA18225; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:03:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.102) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018160; Sun Aug 2 21:03:20 1998 Message-ID: <35C544F4.4687@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:04:52 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody up for a Monday Ride? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I am off Tomorrow and planning a loop around Warrenton etc, anybody up for a monday ride, Im open to any other location. Will check the email before I leave probably around 9am... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 23:28:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20546; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21866 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27041 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11474 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.21] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA01198 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bdbe88$9981eb20$1573c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Looking for David Wakefield Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:44:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Dave, please email me. I need to contact you. Anyone w/ Dave's email address, please forward it to me. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 00:19:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21456; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22087 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27812 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf149.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.149]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA13442; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101bdbe90$17cb2800$423cfea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: New Summit Point Pictures Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have new Summit Point pictures from Sunday's races. Maybe your favorite racer's pic is there? Go to: http://www.fj1100.com/pages/summit.htm Hope you enjoy! Gary Foreman gforeman@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 02:06:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22174; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23445 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28951 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:25:15 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLLOa02268 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:24:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Old faithful says goodbye! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well gang, I'm no salesman, but the bike sold itself. My friend who wanted to buy the Ninja 250 went for a "lesson" today on my Nighthawk at a local parking lot. I was just teaching hime the basics (like where the controls are and how to use them). He had never driven clutch before so he had a hard time with it. Consequently, he dumped the bike (and himself) in some grass next to the parking lot when he attempted to stop but left the clutch out and gave it gas to keep from stalling with the brakes applied! No damage other than a bent gear-shifter (easily repaired!), so he got back up, realized his mistake, and continued riding! After another 2 hours riding, he stopped, got off the bike, and bought it from me!! I'll deliver it next weekend (when he gets paid again!). I'd much rather sell it to him and see it get fixed up and ridden. So the bottom line is... The Nighthawk is sold! Sorry all those that said they might be interested! He said he's gonna use it sometime next May. Then he's gonna look into a sportbike and give the Nighthawk to his girlfriend so she can learn to ride. geez, that will be the.. uh...5th person that it's been the first bike for! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow (ugh, hope that hydraulic clutch system gets fixed soon!) 85 Nighthawk (gone, but I'll see it every time I ride with him) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 03:15:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22632; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23810 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29718 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 02:32:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdbea8$827daf20$3380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and fittings to make steel braided brake lines? In an attempt to make the Wing do something silly like stop when you pull the brake lever, I think I'm gonna have to replace the rubber lines. May as well upgrade at the same time. And no, as far as I can tell, nobody makes a replacement set. Gonna have to make 'em myself. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 03:18:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22643; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23815 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29728 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 02:35:04 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , Subject: RE: Old faithful says goodbye! Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdbea8$da6cf9c0$3380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Please tell me you mean he's going to use it until May. Seemed like you were saying he wouldn't use it *until* may... BTW, good for you AND good for him. Just think how he'd have felt if he'd bought a new Ninja and dumped it like he did the Nighthawk. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 04:49:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23428; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA24511 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA00757 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA14487; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:05:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:57:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Race at Mid Ohio on Home Team Sports NOW To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35e45e8b.15984782@beta.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 1 Aug 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > Superbike racing on tv now... It was also on Thurs on Cycle World(think that's on every Thurs @8pm). Kinda a disappointing race.The Suzi got the holeshot and noone got near him.Chandler was taking it real easy 'cause of his injury.The VR seemed to be doing good at first,but then started having electrical glitches.Man I wish HD would put some money in their team. Interesting observation;in the last World Superbike race I saw,the RC's were running standard swingarms.But in the AMA race the Erion bikes had the single-sides.Wonder if this is because of team preference or division rules? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 07:50:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24586; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25172 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02764 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02729 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:02:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That sux Anita. The good news is you are OK. Don't think just because you didn't go on the poker run you may not of had an incident. You never know, you could have been involved in a worse one! The bad news is you have to fix your bike. No biggie. Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: Home (703) 658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 Work (703) 692-9021 Glenn > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. > Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I > didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly > I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and > my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, > and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. > > The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the > left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up > the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... > the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in > gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow > truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we > waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out > how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). > > What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it > was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the > time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there > goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far > over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in > yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't > any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... > nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. > Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. > > Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike > should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be > gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next > weekend. > > Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike > stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to > crash the next time we ride together! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 07:53:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24609; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25176 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02778 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02799 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:06:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) OK, here it is again... Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't have any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down the street at Arlington Electronics. And you should be real happy with this since you won't be giving your money to those "mail order places". Glenn > Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and > fittings to make steel braided brake lines? In an attempt to make the Wing > do something silly like stop when you pull the brake lever, I think I'm > gonna have to replace the rubber lines. May as well upgrade at the same > time. And no, as far as I can tell, nobody makes a replacement set. Gonna > have to make 'em myself. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 08:29:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24838; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25346 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03128 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980803114227.18588.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.122.54.194] by send1d; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:42:27 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:42:27 -0700 (PDT) From: James Campbell Subject: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well folks, the CAMS ride Sunday was my first group ride. Good people. Nice bikes. Decent pace. I had to pull out a bit early to hit the Super Slab and get home so the wife could make it to work, but no mishaps were reported by the time I left. I'm guessing everyone made it home safe. Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. Thanks for letting me tag along.... Sarge 98 FLSTF aka James Campbell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:10:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25093; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25586 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03662 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24500 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA24500@saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD12397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:09 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400 To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... In-Reply-To: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:13 PM 8/2/98 +0000, Anita Lauro wrote: > Most importantly I'm not injured Glad you're okay. >What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it >was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the >time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there >goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far >over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in >yet so the tire just slid out. That's possible. Two other possiblities are 1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted the ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. 2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. This extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should lean with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright. If you find yourself running out of arm length when countersteering through a turn, then you're probably not leaning with the bike (if your body doesn't lean with the bike, the inside handlebar is farther away than if your body does lean). Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those tires if they're very old. I bought a bike with original, 13-year-old tires on it. I pressed them with my thumb to "check" tire pressure before I test rode it. It handled like a pig, and I finally traced it to the tire pressure - 10 lbs. in one, and an unmeasurably low pressure in the other tire. A friend called them "old, cast-iron tires" - which I agreed with and replaced them right away. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:11:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25098; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25587 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03663 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA03663@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD14397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:11 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:33:17 -0400 To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: braided lines In-Reply-To: <000801bdbea8$827daf20$3380e2cf@ghowell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:32 AM 8/3/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and >fittings to make steel braided brake lines? I found a shop that shipped my rubber brake hoses to Galfer, who made braided steel lines just like the rubber hoses. The shop might be out of business now, it was in White Plains, Maryland, in the industrial area across the road from Atlantic Cycle - it was a small shop, a hundred feet from Kustom Chrome, I think. Anyway, inquire about Galfer - I bet they could do what you want. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:11:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25102; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25583 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03656 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA03656@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD16397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:10 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:27:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Old faithful says goodbye! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:24 AM 8/3/98 -0400, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >I was just teaching hime the basics (like where the controls are and how >to use them). He had never driven clutch before so he had a hard time with it. >Consequently, he dumped the bike...After another 2 hours riding, he stopped, >got off the bike, and bought it from me!! I'll deliver it next weekend Be sure to tell him to take the motorcycle riding course (NoVa Community College in Virginia, 800-638-1722 in Maryland). He could really use it, and tell him it's an easy way to get his license and to practice on someone elses bike. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:12:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25132; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25612 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03727 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.14 (pix000093.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.105]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA18598 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:15 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9808030834.AA04233@172.17.2.14> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:34:04 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Questions on Technic Jackets Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Hey All, I saw a Technic (Tecnic??) jacket at Cycle Sports in Herndon last weekend for $279. It was a summer leather I suppose as it had all the perforated holes or whatever you call them. (I think the model was the Chicane??) It had the plastics in the elbows and back Anyhow, it was a Technic jacket, so I'm wondering A. Are those good/quality jackets? B. How does that price sound? Thanks for any info. Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:32:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25313; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26038 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03925 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02356 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: <005801bdbedd$6afc2040$2d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Guggenheim's Most Popular Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Below from the front page of the New York Times today -- Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ******** Biker Crowd Finds Harley Heaven at Highbrow Museum By CAROL VOGEL Bikers have brought record crowds to the Guggenheim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- . . .. The cause of this convergence, to the consternation of more traditionalist elements in the art world, is "The Art of the Motorcycle," an exhibition quite different from anything else that the Museum Mile on Fifth Avenue has ever experienced. Bathed in biker glory, it has become the most highly attended exhibition in the Guggenheim's 61-year history, far outstripping retrospectives of Robert Rauschenberg, Roy Lichtenstein and Ellsworth Kelly and more popular than authoritative surveys of Chinese, Russian and Italian art. And the crowds are growing steadily. Right now, the average attendance at the relatively modest-size museum is about 45 percent higher than normal, with more than 5,000 people a day visiting on the weekends. If this popularity continues, Guggenheim officials say, they expect more than 500,000 people to have seen "The Art of the Motorcycle" by the time it closes on Sept. 20, and they estimate that the museum could make upward of $1 million on ticket and retail sales alone. Consider the sales: The exhibition's 427-page color catalog ($85 for the hardcover; $45 for the paperback) has gone through a first printing of 30,000, and a second printing is under way. Along with the de rigueur motorcycle books, mugs, T-shirts, beach blankets, posters and postcards, there are a Ducati windbreaker ($45), "The Henna Body Art Kit: Everything You Need to Create Stunning Temporary Tattoos" ($29.95), a child's red plastic BMW motorcycle ($120) and a full set of bright red or yellow Ducati one-piece leather jump suits ($1,595). . . .. On display is a chronological look at motorcycles beginning on the museum's ground floor with the earliest-known example, the 1868 French velocipede, which resembles a bicycle with a steam engine under its seat, all the way up to a shiny red-and-gray MV Agusta F4, this year's hottest Italian motorcycle. Created by a noted designer, Massimo Tamburini, it has a four-cylinder engine designed by the Ferrari car company and looks like something Batman would ride in the 21st century. But is it art? The exhibition has left some cognoscenti groaning. "The Guggenheim might bring in more people if they offered rides from Coney Island," said Stephen Mazoh, a private art dealer from Rhinebeck, N.Y., whose clients have included some of this country's most important collectors, among them Walter Annenberg, Ronald Lauder, Leonard Lauder and Donald Marron. "Motorcycles belong in a design museum or a museum for automobiles, but not at the Guggenheim," Mazoh said. "They may think they're getting a new audience, but none of these people will come back." Krens said the show never made the claim that motorcycles were art. "We are interested in 20th-century culture," he said. "Obviously we're extending the traditional frame of the museum. Motorcycles gave us a rich cultural narrative, and this show is a serious attempt to look at an icon of our time." More than 30 iconically inclined motorcycle clubs have flooded the museum with group ticket requests, including the Cobras M.C. of Jamaica, Queens; the Star of David M.C. of Brooklyn and others from as far away as North Carolina and Wisconsin. "It was everyone's first time at the Guggenheim," said Don Miller, who with his wife, Peg, organized a museum outing for 21 members of the Bucks County Motorcycle Association, a 2-year-old club from Bristol, Pa. "The group particularly enjoyed the old gray Harley. It was the town-and-country exhaust that opened and closed that they thought was pretty cool." (He was referring to the 1911 Harley-Davidson Model 7D, popularly known as "the silent gray fellow.") Because museum officials had warned the group about the difficulties of parking in Manhattan, its members took a train to New York rather than riding their motorcycles, Miller said. After the show, the group had lunch at the Harley-Davidson Cafe at the Avenue of the Americas and 56th Street. . . .. For women who ride motorcycles, the Ducati Monster is also the rage. "I saw three women ride up to the museum on them last Sunday," said Ultan Guilfoyle, the Guggenheim's curatorial adviser to the show. "The look of them is aggressive yet sexy. In Italy, the 600-cc model is selling right now to more women than men." On view in the show is the M900 Monster 904-cc. . . .. All this said, the museum has also drawn the motorcycle-challenged. "My cousin has a 14-year-old son visiting from Knoxville, Tenn., and we thought this was something he'd be interested in," said Victoria Olds, 81, who carefully examined each bike. "My experience with motorcycles has only been the loud noise they make on the street. But I'm learning. They're really very beautiful machines." ******** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:53:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25678; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26308 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04261 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24684 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA23658; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <35dbb6fe.642035124@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199808031225.IAA18233@mail1.monumental.com> In-Reply-To: <199808031225.IAA18233@mail1.monumental.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400, you wrote: >That's possible. Two other possiblities are >1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted = the >ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the >ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. This is a good possibility... the tailpipe, centerstand, and sidestand all scraped the ground, as well as the shift lever, which was bent to a 45 degree angle before snapping the whole footpeg assembly off the bike. Plus the road was not banked, and definitely sloped away from the center (crowned I guess, except that turns are supposed to be banked). So, I didn't have to lean all that far over before stuff started touching down. >2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his >body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. = This >extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should = lean >with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright.=20 I think I lean okay... but I will be practicing cornering when I get the bike back.=20 >Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those >tires if they're very old. =20 Leon was riding Ursulina's bike, so I think those are the old, hard tires. My tires are technically 2 years old, but have less than a year of use on them. Thanks for the info! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (heading over to find out the bad news now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:58:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25785; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26424 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04360 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08041 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10399 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5B836.F85CE12@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:16:38 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: DON'T PAY FOR A TOW TRUCK! was GPZ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please add me to this list. I have a trailer with tie downs. If I can get access to something to tow it with, I can also help. I think I remember $90 as the cost for the truck. How long would you have to work to earn that amount? How many parts could you buy for that money? Leon Home (703) 590-9073 Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a > lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay > for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in > your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: > > Home (703) 658-4870 > Mobile (703) 855-4870 > Work (703) 692-9021 > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:16:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26094; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26658 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04720 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10978; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:36:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5BC76.775088A5@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:34:46 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Campbell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... References: <19980803114227.18588.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 > (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear > I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. > Some airplanes have radar transmitters, Virginia probably owns some airplanes. But I doubt that anyone in any state has ever gotten a speeding ticket from "airplane-based radar." I don't think Virginia uses airplanes for speed enforcement in any manner. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:39:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26464; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26913 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05298 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMTYa11436 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f8df66f.35c5c1cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:57:34 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guggenheim's Most Popular Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Nice little article, but I have to object to the idea that motorcycles are not art. They are MORE artful than alot of the junk I have seen in some museums. What do people usually think of when you talk about art and artists?? The artist has a passion for his work. The design of it comes from within the artist. Art is so intricate and has so many sides thats its near impossible to find them all. Hmmmm.......sounds like motorcycling to me. They should ask some of the Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Duc, etc designers if they care about their work. Ive seen interviews with the designers and engineers and I can say that they are just as zealous about their work as Da Vinci or Picasso. All designs originate within the designers, look at the R1. So intricate and complex and every single piece came from within the engineers, etc. Sorry to be so long winded, but bikes are an art all to themselves. Like alot of art, only some people can appreciate it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:40:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26485; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27032 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05363 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25064 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:19 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id EXSWa11435; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <735a8610.35c5c20d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:36 EDT To: mobacc@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/2/98 8:56:08 PM, mobacc@XXXXXX wrote: <<"cheap hotel". What price the name? That sounds like a find.>> it was an Econolodge - but we kind of got a deal :D the rooms were going for $100 a night but since we only lived a half hour or so away we didn't want to pay more than $20. We asked the price, guy said $100 but then added "unless you want a room with no towels, those are going for $40" hmmmm. no towels? no problem! take a shower when i get home in the morning...... I said, "how about $25?" He said, "I can let it go for $30" I said, " Oh C'mon! no one else is going to come in a nd take a room without towels!" End result: $25 for the room, $3 for tax, plus a $5 key deposit, returned upon departure. :D Life is good. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26733; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27505 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05889 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04766 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:14:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803141404.OFS876@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:14:04 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdbee8$f776f3a0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sorry to hear about your accident. Glad you are ok. I broke the left footpeg off my first bike 10 minutes into riding. I moved the passenger peg up and continued riding. Well, actually I went to the dealer and ordered a new one (and engine guards). A set of small vise-grips might sub for a clutch lever in a pinch (pun intended). Always thinking of ways to keep the bike running... Hope it gets fixed in time for your trip. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze Anita Lauro said: Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:10:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27170; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27860 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06470 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25432 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06610; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... In-Reply-To: <35dbb6fe.642035124@relay.mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know that turn... almost ate it there a bit back... yep it is crowned... and I almost freaked when I saw the 10MPH sign... (I personaly can only counter stear at 15-20... no slower...) To top that off some dork two cars infront of me decided that his truck could not make it, and slammed on his brakes... I was then braking on a slightly leaning, but turning the handle bar 10MPH turn on a crowned rode! I decided I needed a little refreshment brake when I passed the next 7-11. To make it worse I had layed down in a tight turn just two weeks earlier, so I was still taking turns with a bit more fear then normal. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400, you wrote: > > >That's possible. Two other possiblities are > >1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted the > >ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the > >ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. > > This is a good possibility... the tailpipe, centerstand, and sidestand > all scraped the ground, as well as the shift lever, which was bent to > a 45 degree angle before snapping the whole footpeg assembly off the > bike. Plus the road was not banked, and definitely sloped away from > the center (crowned I guess, except that turns are supposed to be > banked). So, I didn't have to lean all that far over before stuff > started touching down. > > >2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his > >body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. This > >extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should lean > >with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright. > > I think I lean okay... but I will be practicing cornering when I get > the bike back. > > >Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those > >tires if they're very old. > > Leon was riding Ursulina's bike, so I think those are the old, hard > tires. My tires are technically 2 years old, but have less than a > year of use on them. > > Thanks for the info! > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (heading over to find out the bad news now) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:10:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27180; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27864 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06531 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00632 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11827 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031429.KAA11827@shell.clark.net> Subject: Cost of towing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I just wanted to make one comment about the towing cost, and towing programs. It's great that we have a bunch of people who are willing to come out and tow us if we need it, and if I had more than a wimpy Grand Am, I'd probably join in that group. However, there are some towing programs out there (handy if you are out of town). I just saw a new one which looked really interesting that I wanted to let you know about. It's a Motorcycle Riders Visa card. Just a regular credit card, but one of the member benefits is free towing (more accurately, the first $100 is free). I saw the brochure at Coleman's Woodbridge. I read it over several times, and asked several questions to the finance guy, but it seems ligit. It's through MTS, which is what most of the towing plans use. There is no annual fee for the credit card. You even get to pick what kind of motorcycles you want on the card (touring, dirt, etc). I just got the card and information. There is a limit of 4 tows a year (seems reasonable). Other than that I couldn't find any other catch. I always pay my card in full (except when the Post office looses my bill, but that's a different story) so it seems to be like getting towing service for free. I hope I'll never need it, but it's nice to know it's there. There are brochures at Coleman's in Woodbridge (I wouldn't know about Falls Church, I rarely go there) for more info. I hope I'm not making this sound like spam. Just wanted to let you all know. If anyone does find out about any catches that I didn't see, please let me know! Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:13:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27223; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27904 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06634 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 142; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5CA11.19AFD88F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:32:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anybody up for a Monday Ride? References: <35C544F4.4687@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gee, Ken, Thanks for kicking a guy when he's down. Mondays at work are bad enough. Hope you have a good ride in spite of my ill will. :) All the above in jest, of course! Dale Ken wrote: > > Well, I am off Tomorrow and planning a loop around Warrenton etc, > anybody up for a monday ride, Im open to any other location. Will check > the email before I leave probably around 9am... > -- > Ken S. > HDKnight > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:16:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27258; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28013 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06721 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Dc Cycles Subject: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:41:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Stopped by Cycle Sport on the way into work... I guess I should make note of the service manager's name since he's always nice to me! Anyhow, he said that if I pay extra for shipping they should be able to fix the mechanical part (new clutch lever, footpeg, shifter and big metal piece that the footpeg assembly bolts to) by Friday. He said if the parts were local they might be able to fix everything, but I'm not expecting that. The bill is going to be high... a new front fairing, lower left fairing and tailpipe will be over $1,000. Never mind the labor and other bits. Ack! I decided to go ahead with the insurance claim... turns out that my accident free discount on my car policy will remain intact because it is a separate policy. I'll be able to submit the tow charge as part of the claim as well. Must have been a bad weekend for accidents, the lady I spoke with said it was her third accident report this morning. Took some pictures of my bike for my photo album... the good side, and the bad side! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (ouch!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:18:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27290; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28086 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06763 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06823; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA02847; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA22077; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:40 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA22073; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:39 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDBEB1.7303A730@XXXXXX>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride/Ursulina's new tire Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:30:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 60 TEXT, 82 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Leon, Thanks for giving me a good excuse for not leaning and riding slow, but now that I've got the new tire on I guess I'll have to come up with a new set of excuses. ;-) Leon, thanks again for all the effort that went into replacing my front tire. It rides great and feels much smoother around corners. WV twisties here I come!!! :-D Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 10:23 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Ride Thanks Anita. I had a great time. Anita had enough route sheets for everyone, it was a nice easy pace out 55 to Point of Rocks with a couple of rest stops along the way. There were a lot of people at the Amoco at Marshall, but only 7 of us started out together. Zbig and Glenn were the fast guys, Anita was our leader, Ursulina, Leslie on a Kat 750, and Butch (the guy who didn't follow the dress code thread) on a new KLR650. Ursulina and I traded bikes for about 20-30 miles. I can see why she rides slowly and doesn't lean. I slid the front twice, once over some rocks/rough pavement. 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M5%1-04E,)7 ]0514)6P]2%%%3D=?35-',#(M.3@P.# S,30S,#4Q6BTT-3- <:'$M;7-G,#$N;G=E; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06783 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11668 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:43:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Leon Begeman , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: DON'T PAY FOR A TOW TRUCK! was GPZ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:43:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, August 03, 1998 9:17 AM, Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] wrote: > I think I remember $90 as the cost for the truck. How long would you > have to work to earn that amount? How many parts could you buy for that > money? Yep, that's how much it cost. It'll count towards my deductible for the accident so in this case it worked out okay. But, I'll carry the numbers with me from now on! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:40:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27985; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28948 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07543 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12604 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 353; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:57:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5CFF8.B2E16CCC@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:58:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a > lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay > for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in > your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: > > Home (703) 658-4870 > Mobile (703) 855-4870 > Work (703) 692-9021 > > Glenn > Glenn, (and Collin, too) Thanks for the offer (as I quickly scribble down your phone number, I've already got Collin's) Here's hoping I never need to call either one of you guys for a tow, though, if you know what I mean... :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:48:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28306; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29193 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08120 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:04:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Guggenheim's Most Popular Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:04:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdbef0$06a447e0$3580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f8df66f.35c5c1cf@aol.com> > Nice little article, but I have to object to the idea that > motorcycles are not > art. They are MORE artful than alot of the junk I have seen in > some museums. > What do people usually think of when you talk about art and artists?? The > artist has a passion for his work. The design of it comes from within the > artist. Art is so intricate and has so many sides thats its near > impossible > to find them all. Hmmmm.......sounds like motorcycling to me. > They should ask some of the Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Duc, etc > designers if they > care about their work. Ive seen interviews with the designers > and engineers > and I can say that they are just as zealous about their work as > Da Vinci or > Picasso. All designs originate within the designers, look at the R1. So > intricate and complex and every single piece came from within the > engineers, > etc. > Sorry to be so long winded, but bikes are an art all to > themselves. Like alot > of art, only some people can appreciate it. > The real problem is that MORE people can appreciate the art in a motorcycle than they can the typical 'art' in the Guggenheim. That's the problem. Here is an art form that you don't have to be a pencil-necked art-snob effete to appreciate. Joe Six Pack might not be able to talk about the contrast of organic and metal, but he can certainly tell you that he likes the looks of a new Fat Boy. Art snobs are afraid. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:04:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28550; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29930 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08881 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26162 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27895; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803152155.BEYQ876@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:21:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803152155.BEYQ876@[166.41.242.141]> LOL!! That's a good one! Damn sorry to hear about your scrap with the tarmac, but it sounds like you've spent a little time thinking about it. That's good! Real glad you're OK! Bike is #2 priority dontcha know. Looking forward to seeing you out this Saturday. Todd __________________-original-________________ Forgot to mention, further proof that people are idiots. Tow truck comes, driver loads the bike up on the flatbed, and we are on our merry way. I'm sitting with the driver in the cab, holding my jacket, helmet, tank bag, etc. Driver notices my jacket and says... I swear this is true... "Why do you wear that jacket when it's this warm out? Because of the wind?" AAUUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!! I just pointed to my bike on the bed behind us and didn't say anything. You'd think the fact that I didn't have blood dripping from anywhere would have registered with the guy!!! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (truly broken in now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:10:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28717; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00237 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09227 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 347; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:28:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980803112750.00b316a0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:28:47 -0400 To: Leon Begeman , James Campbell From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Its funny this came up. Just yesterday I was with a friend in Richmond and he pointed at the spot he was pulled over - hit with Helicopter radar. The cop pointed to a spot and told him to watch, and sure enough, a helicopter popped out over the woods, then swept back in. He also mentioned seeing a MC Cop on an overpass shooting radar, and a mile down the road were 6 troopers in a row. I think airplanes would be a lot harder to shoot radar from. At least helicopters can hover (please no flames from Harrier pilots!) MT At 09:34 AM 8/3/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >> Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 >> (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear >> I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. >> > >Some airplanes have radar transmitters, Virginia probably owns some >airplanes. > >But I doubt that anyone in any state has ever gotten a speeding ticket >from "airplane-based radar." > >I don't think Virginia uses airplanes for speed enforcement in any >manner. > >-- >Leon >Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 >Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:36:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29666; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00963 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10742 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA18188; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803155441.VUFY11077@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:54:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: James Campbell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803155441.VUFY11077@[166.41.242.141]> Hi James, As far as I know, everyone made it home ok. The show was pretty cool too. Kind of fune to see what it must have been like not so very long ago. For everyone else that missed it, the ride attracted over 20 bikes at the start. The Silver Diner was buzzing. A very relaxed day heading out to Bealeton for the Flying Circus, and splitting up from there for home. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold. -- Helen Keller _____________-original-___________ Well folks, the CAMS ride Sunday was my first group ride. Good people. Nice bikes. Decent pace. I had to pull out a bit early to hit the Super Slab and get home so the wife could make it to work, but no mishaps were reported by the time I left. I'm guessing everyone made it home safe. Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. Thanks for letting me tag along.... Sarge 98 FLSTF aka James Campbell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29726; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01012 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10830 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z3N0K-0001DE-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:32 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:39 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45A7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Blue Book Page (?) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My friend who's buying the ZX wants to know the address of the page that lists motorcycle prices for used bikes. Does anyone have it? It's not on the MCN page as far as I can tell. I looked Friday. Thanks! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:42:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29780; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01110 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10907 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:57 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220131B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: bike tows.. Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Collin sure helped me out in a pinch 2 weeks ago too.. 7am, my clutch failed on the way to work. I was stranded. He drove (in rush hour traffic) way out of his way to come get me.. I managed to only be 2 hours late for work even.. I'd help people out too.. though I've no 4-wheeled vehicles at all, so it'd be limited to mechanical road-side assistance.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:53:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29970; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01259 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11552 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27679; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:11:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803161127.BPTC876@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:11:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Gary Foreman" CC: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: Re: New Summit Point Pictures X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803161127.BPTC876@[166.41.242.141]> Hey Gary, Not bad! A lot of the crash action occured during the National Endurance on Saturday though. Between turns 1 and 5 (where most of your pics seemed to come from), the race lost 13-14 bikes from a start of 38! Memorable moments for me (in turn 1): - Warm up lap for main event, rider goes down at beginning of turn and bike is toast. No race for him! - Third lap into main event, Brian Bemisderfer(sp) goes down in first third of turn. Brake lever is busted but bike is running. Brian punching himself in helmet, "Stupid, STUpid"!! DNF! - 2nd hour, contact in late apex and rider is down. Bike endovers off track but rider tumbles into center, head up stream. There are bikes JUST missing this guy in the middle of the track. Corner captain determines stars floating around helmet and gets the rider up and off the track...NO RED FLAG...WOW!! - Tanned brunnette wearing oh so little in the form of bikini, laying out on her station wagon :) Todd Message-ID: <001101bdbe90$17cb2800$423cfea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: New Summit Point Pictures Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:59 -0400 I have new Summit Point pictures from Sunday's races. Maybe your favorite racer's pic is there? Go to: http://www.fj1100.com/pages/summit.htm Hope you enjoy! 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T-Love --=_6D39901E.9CFD91AF-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 13:37:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00523; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02688 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13744 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA22422 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Hawk + VFR Stands (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is mostly for Bruce Norton since I know he's taken the center stand off his VFR but it may benefit others. I've seen these stands and they are heavy duty mothers... Not as convenient as one with wheels but for <$50 who cares. Kirk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:26:43 PDT From: Mitch Baghdoian To: HAWKGT-L@XXXXXX Subject: Hawk + VFR Stands I made up a batch of VFR stands, and I can modify them to fit the Hawk AND the VFR if anyone would like one. If you'd like a Hawk only stand I can do that too (cheaper than the Combo stands, 1 1/8" stock is much easier to find than 1 1/16") -Mitch in MI '88 Hawk GT Racebike Hawk/VFR Stands and Used Race Tires For Sale: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/1352/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 14:20:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01113; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04084 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15373 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQFYa20982 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6fa38229.35c5f566@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:37:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another GPZ.........where is this spot on Braddock Rd? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 I was just wondering where this spot is on Braddock Rd so that I can go take a look and know about it in the future!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 14:32:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01366; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04198 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15658 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20451 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:06:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) OK, here it is again... Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't have any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down the street at Arlington Electronics. And you should be real happy with this since you won't be giving your money to those "mail order places". Glenn > Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and > fittings to make steel braided brake lines? In an attempt to make the Wing > do something silly like stop when you pull the brake lever, I think I'm > gonna have to replace the rubber lines. May as well upgrade at the same > time. And no, as far as I can tell, nobody makes a replacement set. Gonna > have to make 'em myself. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 14:32:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01370; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04195 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15654 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20441 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:02:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That sux Anita. The good news is you are OK. Don't think just because you didn't go on the poker run you may not of had an incident. You never know, you could have been involved in a worse one! The bad news is you have to fix your bike. No biggie. Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: Home (703) 658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 Work (703) 692-9021 Glenn > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. > Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I > didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly > I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and > my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, > and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. > > The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the > left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up > the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... > the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in > gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow > truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we > waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out > how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). > > What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it > was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the > time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there > goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far > over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in > yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't > any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... > nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. > Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. > > Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike > should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be > gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next > weekend. > > Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike > stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to > crash the next time we ride together! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 15:16:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02121; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05259 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16930 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:35:28 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGSCa07119 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:34:24 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Questions on Technic Jackets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 I purchased the same jacket (by the sound of your description) from Cycles USA in Silver Spring about a week ago. I like the jacket so far. Did 250 miles this weekend to Summit Point and back. Some things I thing worth noting are ... - The elbow/shoulder/back pads I don't believe they are plastic. I think there just heavy duty foam. - Not incredibly hot even during the summer. - The waste/gut area are a little large for me and bunches up a bit when leaning over my ZX-6. Shoulders fit fine. I bought a 44 jacket. My waste size is 33 so if you have a larger waste it might not be a problem for you. - Sleaves are a little long if you have gloves with cuffs. - The velcro waste adjuster closes over the zipper so to make it smaller you have to zip up first and undo the velcro prior to unzipping. Would be nicer to have the velcro on the sides where it could stay permanently adjusted. - My biggest complaint is the neck closure rubs against my adams apple when leaning over. I'm pretty picky but it is a great price especially with the body armor. I also paid ~$300 with tax. I would recommend the jacket to a friend. - KO In a message dated 8/3/98 9:21:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elliottm@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Questions on Technic Jackets > Date: 8/3/98 9:21:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: elliottm@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Hey All, > > I saw a Technic (Tecnic??) jacket at Cycle Sports in Herndon last weekend > for > $279. It was a summer leather I suppose as it had all the perforated holes > or > whatever you call them. (I think the model was the Chicane??) It had the > plastics in the elbows and back > > Anyhow, it was a Technic jacket, so I'm wondering > > A. Are those good/quality jackets? > B. How does that price sound? > > Thanks for any info. > > Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 15:32:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02298; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05999 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17733 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKZQa26167 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1963a4c3.35c6066a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:50:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Blue Book Page (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 Here it is ... http://www.mcnews.com/articles/used.htm - KO In a message dated 8/3/98 1:17:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Blue Book Page (?) > Date: 8/3/98 1:17:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: jlobrien@XXXXXX (O'Brien, Jeannette) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ('DC Cycles') > > My friend who's buying the ZX wants to know the address of the page that > lists motorcycle prices for used bikes. > Does anyone have it? > It's not on the MCN page as far as I can tell. I looked Friday. > Thanks! > > - Jeannette > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from relay19.mx.aol.com (relay19.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.65]) by > air18.mail.aol.com (v46.20) with SMTP; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:17:40 -0400 > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) > by relay19.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id MAA02918; > Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:49:33 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id LAA01012 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:47 -0400 > (EDT) > Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id LAA10830 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:38 -0400 (EDT) > > Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) > by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) > for dc-cycles@XXXXXX > id 0z3N0K-0001DE-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:32 -0400 > Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) > > id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:39 -0400 > Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45A7@XXXXXX> > From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > To: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: Blue Book Page (?) > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:16 -0400 > X-Priority: 3 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) > Content-Type: text/plain > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:20:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03371; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07038 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19296 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA03761; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:38:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00e201bdbf15$df236860$5673c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Hawk + VFR Stands (fwd) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:34:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Thanks Kirk, but I already got a pair of Pit-Bull stands. Pricey, but very solid. Bruce >This is mostly for Bruce Norton since I know he's taken the center stand >off his VFR but it may benefit others. I've seen these stands and they are >heavy duty mothers... Not as convenient as one with wheels but for <$50 >who cares. > >Kirk > > >I made up a batch of VFR stands, and I can modify them to fit the Hawk >AND the VFR if anyone would like one. > >If you'd like a Hawk only stand I can do that too (cheaper than the >Combo stands, 1 1/8" stock is much easier to find than 1 1/16") > > > >-Mitch in MI >'88 Hawk GT Racebike >Hawk/VFR Stands and Used Race Tires For Sale: >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/1352/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:22:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03403; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07071 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19386 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25313 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:38:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:55:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Can you say "No Tell Motel"? Glenn > it was an Econolodge - but we kind of got a deal :D the rooms were going > for > $100 a night but since we only lived a half hour or so away we didn't want > to > pay more than $20. We asked the price, guy said $100 but then added > "unless > you want a room with no towels, those are going for $40" hmmmm. no towels? > no > problem! take a shower when i get home in the morning...... I said, "how > about > $25?" He said, "I can let it go for $30" I said, " Oh C'mon! no one else > is > going to come in a nd take a room without towels!" End result: $25 for the > room, $3 for tax, plus a $5 key deposit, returned upon departure. :D > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:22:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03408; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07077 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19395 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25317 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Anita Lauro'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:01:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Anita, if you want to save the labor costs (as others have done on the list) I'd (and I'm sure others) would be willing to help you fix it for free. Just get the parts. Then you can take the extra money the insurance company was going to pay for labor and buy something else for the bike. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:41 AM > To: Dc Cycles > Subject: GPZ on the mend... > > Stopped by Cycle Sport on the way into work... I guess I should make > note of the service manager's name since he's always nice to me! > > Anyhow, he said that if I pay extra for shipping they should be able to > fix the mechanical part (new clutch lever, footpeg, shifter and big > metal piece that the footpeg assembly bolts to) by Friday. He said if > the parts were local they might be able to fix everything, but I'm not > expecting that. The bill is going to be high... a new front fairing, > lower left fairing and tailpipe will be over $1,000. Never mind the > labor and other bits. Ack! > > I decided to go ahead with the insurance claim... turns out that my > accident free discount on my car policy will remain intact because it is > a separate policy. I'll be able to submit the tow charge as part of the > claim as well. Must have been a bad weekend for accidents, the lady I > spoke with said it was her third accident report this morning. > > Took some pictures of my bike for my photo album... the good side, and > the bad side! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (ouch!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:22:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03412; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07074 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19393 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25315 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cost of towing Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:59:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Your Grand Am (probably) has more power then my little Corolla and I have no problems pulling any bike that I have put behind it. That CC seems to good to be true. Anyone else know anything about it? Glenn > I just wanted to make one comment about the towing cost, and towing > programs. It's great that we have a bunch of people who are willing > to come out and tow us if we need it, and if I had more than a wimpy > Grand Am, I'd probably join in that group. > > However, there are some towing programs out there (handy if you are > out of town). I just saw a new one which looked really interesting > that I wanted to let you know about. It's a Motorcycle Riders Visa > card. Just a regular credit card, but one of the member benefits is > free towing (more accurately, the first $100 is free). I saw the > brochure at Coleman's Woodbridge. I read it over several times, and asked > several questions to the finance guy, but it seems ligit. It's through > MTS, which is what most of the towing plans use. There is no annual > fee for the credit card. You even get to pick what kind of motorcycles > you want on the card (touring, dirt, etc). > > I just got the card and information. There is a limit of 4 tows a year > (seems reasonable). Other than that I couldn't find any other catch. > I always pay my card in full (except when the Post office looses my > bill, but that's a different story) so it seems to be like getting > towing service for free. I hope I'll never need it, but it's nice to > know it's there. > > There are brochures at Coleman's in Woodbridge (I wouldn't know about > Falls Church, I rarely go there) for more info. I hope I'm not making > this sound like spam. Just wanted to let you all know. If anyone > does find out about any catches that I didn't see, please let me know! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:52:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04127; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07451 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (known idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20392 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3.loudoun.com (external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.2.1998.05.04.15.32) with SMTP id <0EX400MB5F9BRI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:08:24 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Available to haul To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <002401bdbef8$f3ddad00$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Priority: 3 I live in Winchester, and you can put me down "In case of emergency" I can haul within a reasonable distance if a breakdown occurs. I have straps, and a 750lb rated loading ramp, and a full size bed on a Ford F150. I also have a good selection of tools. If we compile a list of contacts for different areas, this would be very helpful. I would like to send my address/phone to someone's personal email, and not post it on the list if someone is willing to take the time to compile a list. P.S. If I am called to haul your bike, I may be in shorts and sneakers! :-) Gary W. Foreman Email: gforeman@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR judgement to avoid situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR skills From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 17:29:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04592; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08190 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21950 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA24873 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: <35C621F7.B6B9B104@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:47:51 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Valves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, I had planned to go to the Flying Circus aerobatic show, instead, I replaced the head on my Ninja. At (only) 43,000 miles, one of the exhaust valves has sunk so far into the head that it can no longer be adjusted. It is common knowlege on the Ninja 250 list that this bike has soft valves, and that the solution is to replace them with a set of stainless steel valves. So where should I take the head to get a good valve job done? Quality work, cheap and fast come at tradeoffs. I'd like to have the head back in early October, and am unwilling to pay more than $500. Any ideas? -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:21:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05475; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09175 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23429 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-04.dial.nova.org (ra1-04.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.164]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA28431 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:40:24 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valves Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:41:58 GMT Message-ID: <35c62d21.541613@beta.nova.org> References: <35C621F7.B6B9B104@illuminet.net> In-Reply-To: <35C621F7.B6B9B104@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:47:51 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >So where should I take the head to get a good valve job done? Quality >work, cheap and fast come at tradeoffs. I'd like to have the head back >in early October, and am unwilling to pay more than $500. Any ideas? There's a guy here in Beltsville who has been recommended to me. Mike Langlois is his name, I think. Langlois Performance Enterprises=20 6739 Mid Cities Ave, Beltsville, MD 20705 (301) 779-9515 (301) 595-1915 I have never had any work done there but he's apparently built some of the fastest bikes to run at Summit Point... I'm sure that's an important consideration! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:44:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05893; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09584 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24095 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:00:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Blue Book Page (?) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdbf2a$271410c0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45A7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.mcnews.com/articles/used.htm ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:46:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05922; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09616 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24169 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01961 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:02:03 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:02:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdbf2a$59871ac0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't have > any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down > the street > at Arlington Electronics. What sort of protective coating are we talking about? Is the heat shrink tubing to cover the entire line, or just portions of it? > And you should be real happy with this since you won't be giving > your money > to those "mail order places". I love you, man. :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:47:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05947; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09635 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24240 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:04:09 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:04:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdbf2a$a4dcb020$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I don't usually do this, but... Bob was driving home over the Golden Gate Bridge at about 90mph. Wouldn't you know a cop jumped out and clocked him with radar. Bob pulled over like a good citizen; recalling Rodney King and recent illegal alien incidents. The cop walked up to the window and said, "You know how fast you were going BOY ?!?" Bob thought for a second and asked, "Uhhh, over 55?" "93mph son! 93mph in a 55 zone!" "But if you already knew," replied Bob, "Why did you ask me?" Ignoring Bob, the officer continued, in his normal charming fashion, "That's speeding and your getting a ticket and a fine!" The cop took a good look at Bob and said, "You don't even look like you have a job! Why,... I've never seen anyone so scruffy in my entire life!" Bob recanted, "I've got a job! I have a good, well paying job!" The cop leaned in the window, and with the smell of day old donuts on his breath, said, "What kind of a job would a bum like you have?!?" "I'm an asshole stretcher!!!" replied Bob. "What you say, BOY?!?" asked the patrolman. "I'm an asshole stretcher!!!" Of course the cop asked, "What does an asshole stretcher do?" Bob explained, " People call me up and say they want to be stretched, so I go over there and start with a couple of fingers, then a couple more, and then one whole hand, then two. Then I pull them farther and farther apart until it's six feet across." The cop, absorbed with the images in his mind, let down his guard and asked, "What the hell do you do with a six foot asshole ?" Bob nonchalantly commented, "You give it a radar gun and stick it at the end of a bridge! ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:48:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05959; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09642 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24262 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02061 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:05:21 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cost of towing Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:05:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bdbf2a$ce2c8e00$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal What kinda trailer do you use for bikes? Bought, or homemade? Am considering building a trailer outta some c-channel... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Your Grand Am (probably) has more power then my little Corolla > and I have no > problems pulling any bike that I have put behind it. > > That CC seems to good to be true. Anyone else know anything about it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:49:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05964; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09647 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24303 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02064 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:05:57 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Anita Lauro'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:05:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bdbf2a$e4e53480$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Anita, if you want to save the labor costs (as others have done > on the list) > I'd (and I'm sure others) would be willing to help you fix it for free. > Just get the parts. Then you can take the extra money the > insurance company > was going to pay for labor and buy something else for the bike. Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:51:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05980; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09657 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24338 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02078 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:15:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain [Drum roll please] Estimated repair cost: Parts $2,353.14 Tax $ 105.89 Labor $ 849.60 Total $ 3,308.63 They were much better at finding scratched parts than I was! Parts are pretty much at list, highlights being upper fairing $547.00, lower fairing $335.06, and LH muffler $602.55. Other parts range from sidestand, centerstand, turn signal, mirror, etc. etc. etc. Lucky me takes out the left hand muffler which means basically the whole exhaust system needs to be replaced. Now, if I was paying I wouldn't particularly care that the centerstand has scratches on it. They get scratched from the pavement anyhow. Do I just say "let insurance pay for everything"? Is there any reason why I should settle for less? I mean, I can save 15% on parts by ordering from Koups in PA (they give a discount to GPZ listers). Is there any incentive for me to do that? Will my insurance company haggle with Cycle Sport over what needs to be replaced? Pretty much everything on the parts list *is* scratched... only thing they said I might just get an appearance allowance for is the rear fender. I couldn't see any damage to that anyhow. Good news is that Cycle Sport has already ordered the mechanical stuff to be overnighted. They said I should be able to pick the bike up on Friday. I didn't ask how long it'd be laid up for the cosmetic stuff. Interestingly enough, a guy walked in off the street and asked to have his bike looked at. They told him it'd be three weeks for an appointment. Yet they are fixing mine as a priority? Maybe there is just a ton of money to be made? They also said I wouldn't have to pay anything when I pick the bike up on Friday... I can wait until all the work is done. I know what insurance is for, and this is it... I guess if I had ever totalled a car this might not seem so bad! But as it stands, I can't believe how much it's going to cost... and it is only about $700 short of being totalled!! Whew.... Anita '96 GPZ1100 (yikes!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 19:07:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06191; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10652 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24790 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02846 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:31:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: George Howell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:31:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, August 03, 1998 6:06 PM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... Heck for $800 I could buy everyone their own keg!! But I still don't think the insurance company is going to write *me* a check for the total... when I had my car repaired they made the check payable to me and the body shop. I think you only get "free money" when someone else hits you. Otherwise you could go around smashing your car, collecting money from your insurer, and not getting anything fixed! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (a little worse for wear) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 20:26:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06654; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11795 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27140 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06269 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 23:44:47 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12597 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > [Drum roll please] Estimated repair cost: > Parts $2,353.14 > Tax $ 105.89 > Labor $ 849.60 > Total $ 3,308.63 Holy Moly. > They were much better at finding scratched parts than I was! Thats pretty much their mission in life when they do "insurance jobs." > pretty much at list, highlights being upper fairing $547.00, lower > fairing $335.06, and LH muffler $602.55. Highway robbery. Or it would be, if you were paying it. > sidestand, centerstand, turn signal, mirror, etc. etc. etc. Lucky me > takes out the left hand muffler which means basically the whole exhaust > system needs to be replaced. AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! > Now, if I was paying I wouldn't particularly care that the centerstand > has scratches on it. They get scratched from the pavement anyhow. Do I > just say "let insurance pay for everything"? Is there any reason why I > should settle for less? Talk to your insurance agent. Some insurance companies figure your premium by looking at your claim history - if you get in an accident and only file a $1000 claim, thats better in their eyes than if you file a $3000 claim. > from Koups in PA (they give a discount to GPZ listers). Is there any > incentive for me to do that? Will my insurance company haggle with > Cycle Sport over what needs to be replaced? Depends on your insurance company. Insurance companies are deathly afraid of motorcyclists getting injured, and then suing claiming it was something that the company "wouldn't fix." Again, you have to talk to yours, and see how much your premium goes up dependant on what sort of claim you make on it. > Good news is that Cycle Sport has already ordered the mechanical stuff > to be overnighted. They said I should be able to pick the bike up on > Friday. I didn't ask how long it'd be laid up for the cosmetic stuff. It really shouldn't take over an hour to put plastic on a bike. If it does, and your fairing brackets aren't bent, theyre full of horsecrap. > Interestingly enough, a guy walked in off the street and asked to have > his bike looked at. They told him it'd be three weeks for an > appointment. Yet they are fixing mine as a priority? Maybe there is > just a ton of money to be made? Maybe they're just assholes :) > They also said I wouldn't have to pay > anything when I pick the bike up on Friday... I can wait until all the > work is done. Cool, cool. > I know what insurance is for, and this is it... I guess if I had ever > totalled a car this might not seem so bad! But as it stands, I can't > believe how much it's going to cost... and it is only about $700 short > of being totalled!! Whew.... Remember, theyre doing an "insurance job." Whenever a dealer gets those, dollar signs light up. I bet for $500 you could get all the fairings you damaged (used), get a nice paint job for $350, and a good aftermarket pipe for $500 (metal) to $600 (Carbon Fiber). And labor, I'm sure you could find a mechanic who would do all that for $250. So you'd be looking at $1500 on your own if you want to have your bike looking mint. And thats being liberal in pricing. > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (yikes!) Well, be glad you have insurance. Talk to them, explore your options, and decide what feels right to you. Dont save money only to feel that there's "something wrong" with the bike - thats not a feeling worth saving some money over. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 21:01:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06995; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11996 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27717 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07903 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id UAA06067 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-41.s41.tnt5.brd.erols.com(207.172.45.41) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma006062; Mon, 3 Aug 98 20:19:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980803202005.00695980@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:20:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Nighthawk part number Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just bought a 91Nighthawk, and I need a part number if you have the manual and a minute of time :-) (my manual is in route from New Mexico, and wont be here for a couple of weeks) The part that secures the front brake caliper to the fork broke in the middle. Its about 6 " long and has 2 holes. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 A man comes out of a shopping mall to find that the side of his parked car is rammed in! Seeing a note under the windshield, he reads it. On the paper is written: As I'm writing this, about a dozen people are watching me. They think I'm giving you my name, phone number, and insurance company. But I'm not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 21:30:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07229; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12105 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28188 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08888 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:54:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Alex Milenkovic , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:54:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, August 03, 1998 7:45 PM, Alex Milenkovic [SMTP:alexm@XXXXXX] wrote: > > They were much better at finding scratched parts than I was! > Thats pretty much their mission in life when they do "insurance jobs." Well, they just had to look *under* the mirror... wasn't too hard! :-) I was just impressed that the mirror didn't break off... didn't think about scratches. > AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! I'm definitely going aftermarket exhaust... all I needed to hear was that they are lighter! I like the sound of my bike though, wouldn't want to change that too much. > Well, be glad you have insurance. Talk to them, explore your options, > and decide what feels right to you. Dont save money only to feel that > there's "something wrong" with the bike - thats not a feeling worth > saving some money over. Good point... by getting all new parts (OEM at that), my bike will be back almost as good as new... or, technically better than new since new parts are replacing 2 year old ones... hmmm... don't think that's how it works. But, I've decided not to cut corners. Thanks. Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 22:08:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07494; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13548 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28974 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10624 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 3TDPa27851 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:27:12 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <41d59042.35c66371@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:27:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: GPZ on the mend... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 You should be able to get the money. Tell them you are going to do the labor yourself. You will probably have to put the cash out yourself and then show them what you did before they will give you the money. They will want to verify the work was done. They also may want one of there adjusters to take a look at it before you start to verify the damage. They won't like to do it but it doesn't hurt to try. I know when the stereo was stolen I did the work myself and they cut me a check. I did have to show them that the work was done. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 23:16:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08123; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14050 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00045 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13658 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA06529; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-41.s41.tnt5.brd.erols.com(207.172.45.41) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma006526; Mon, 3 Aug 98 22:33:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980803223441.00e819bc@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:34:46 -0400 To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: GPZ on the mend... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, they have to give you the money for the damage regardless of whether or not you fix it. Just like a car. Get in a fender bender, they pay for the esitmated repair costs, you get the check and do as you like. At least, thats my understanding after the number of times in my youth when I allowed people to impact my car in traffic..... :-O At 09:27 PM 8/3/98 EDT, OsbornKev@XXXXXX wrote: >You should be able to get the money. Tell them you are going to do the labor >yourself. You will probably have to put the cash out yourself and then show >them what you did before they will give you the money. They will want to >verify the work was done. They also may want one of there adjusters to take a >look at it before you start to verify the damage. They won't like to do it >but it doesn't hurt to try. > >I know when the stereo was stolen I did the work myself and they cut me a >check. I did have to show them that the work was done. > _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 A man comes out of a shopping mall to find that the side of his parked car is rammed in! Seeing a note under the windshield, he reads it. On the paper is written: As I'm writing this, about a dozen people are watching me. They think I'm giving you my name, phone number, and insurance company. But I'm not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 01:10:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09437; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17449 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01898 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA19318; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:25:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:14:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980803152155.BEYQ876@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > __________________-original-________________ > Forgot to mention, further proof that people are idiots. > Tow truck comes, driver loads the bike up on the flatbed, and we are > on our merry way. I'm sitting with the driver in the cab, holding my > jacket, helmet, tank bag, etc. > Driver notices my jacket and says... I swear this is true... > "Why do you wear that jacket when it's this warm out? Because of the > wind?" It's amazing how clueless cagers are about us.I had a guy here at work joke around with my helmet once;he waved it around and then banged it on a desk(not hard enough to scratch it).He couldn't understand why I got so upset.When I explained to him the concept of how a helmet works,and that's it's only good for _one_ real impact,he said,"then what good is it if it only works once?". And the girls at the part-time job think I'm weird cause I keep my helmet up on a shelf where noone can touch it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 01:16:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09455; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17520 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01956 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18579 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:32:46 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bdbf60$ef9c3780$2580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Only haggle price if the insurance co. writes YOU a check. Otherwise, it's their problem. They aren't going to help you out later if you help them write a smaller check. Similarly... You're going to lose the accident free, at least on the bike. And I wouldn't hold my breath about the car either. Since you will quite possibly be screwed, you may as well go ahead and get everything you possibly can for it. > I know what insurance is for, and this is it... I guess if I had ever > totalled a car this might not seem so bad! But as it stands, I can't > believe how much it's going to cost... and it is only about $700 short > of being totalled!! Whew.... Sounds like my first car accident:) But seriously, it's amazing how much all of this is costing for what sounds like a relatively simple low speed incident. Makes me question whether or not I should have gotten the plastic coated freight train last week. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 01:36:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09547; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17683 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02124 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA19392; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:51:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:26:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Alex Milenkovic wrote: > On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > > [Drum roll please] Estimated repair cost: > Holy Moly. Yep.When my '86 500 Interceptor got blown over in '88 I looked into a new fairing.It was only a half fairing,but was like $400.OEM parts are big $$.Also,I'm sure the time it took to do the estimate was included with the labor. > > pretty much at list, highlights being upper fairing $547.00, lower > > fairing $335.06, and LH muffler $602.55. > Highway robbery. Or it would be, if you were paying it. Deep pockets theory.The insurance co can afford it. > > sidestand, centerstand, turn signal, mirror, etc. etc. etc. Lucky me > > takes out the left hand muffler which means basically the whole exhaust > > system needs to be replaced. > AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! Yep.I'm sure AirTech can supply you with body work way cheaper than Kawi.Paint job shouldn't be bad since it's single color.And slip-ons will shave weight,give you an extra pony or two,and give you some sound. > Depends on your insurance company. Insurance companies are deathly afraid > of motorcyclists getting injured, and then suing claiming it was something > that the company "wouldn't fix." Again, you have to talk to yours, and > see how much your premium goes up dependant on what sort of claim you > make on it. Shouldn't be a prob just getting a check from the insurance co since most of your damage was cosmetic.If you had frame or suspension damage, they'd prolly want the dealer to work it. Here's an idea Anita,get the payoff from the insurance co,then just peel off the damaged bodywork and build a streetfighter! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 01:52:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09609; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17798 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02382 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (falcor@XXXXXX [199.0.70.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA20125 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11316; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: "'Anita Lauro'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ditto... I have become quite good at replacing all kinds of parts. :) It would be a neat change to work on something I didn't brake. :) Just let me know. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Anita, if you want to save the labor costs (as others have done on the list) > I'd (and I'm sure others) would be willing to help you fix it for free. > Just get the parts. Then you can take the extra money the insurance company > was going to pay for labor and buy something else for the bike. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:41 AM > > To: Dc Cycles > > Subject: GPZ on the mend... > > > > Stopped by Cycle Sport on the way into work... I guess I should make > > note of the service manager's name since he's always nice to me! > > > > Anyhow, he said that if I pay extra for shipping they should be able to > > fix the mechanical part (new clutch lever, footpeg, shifter and big > > metal piece that the footpeg assembly bolts to) by Friday. He said if > > the parts were local they might be able to fix everything, but I'm not > > expecting that. The bill is going to be high... a new front fairing, > > lower left fairing and tailpipe will be over $1,000. Never mind the > > labor and other bits. Ack! > > > > I decided to go ahead with the insurance claim... turns out that my > > accident free discount on my car policy will remain intact because it is > > a separate policy. I'll be able to submit the tow charge as part of the > > claim as well. Must have been a bad weekend for accidents, the lady I > > spoke with said it was her third accident report this morning. > > > > Took some pictures of my bike for my photo album... the good side, and > > the bad side! > > > > Anita > > '96 GPZ1100 (ouch!) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 07:09:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11868; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20502 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05889 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04131 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:27:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:26:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Well the line is made of braided stainless steel which can chafe (sp?) the paint, plastic, etc. I covered all of the areas that would make contact with the frame and left the other bits uncovered. I used black heat shrink. Tom T. covered his entire line with clear heat shrink and it looked good. Your call. Glenn > > be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't > have > > any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down > > the street > > at Arlington Electronics. > > What sort of protective coating are we talking about? Is the heat shrink > tubing to cover the entire line, or just portions of it? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 07:19:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11918; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20539 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05953 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04551 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cost of towing Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I actually have two of them. The first one is bought parts that I put together. I bought the 1100 lbs. max weight trailer from K-Mart years ago. It was the frame and lights only. I then cut a piece of plywood to put between the frame and the rail (that I purchased from Sears). I've added a few things over the years such as fenders. Its a nice little trailer. Lots of peoples (broken) bikes have been on it. Mines only been on it when I was transporting it somewhere. :-) The second trailer I bought from a friend which I have been restoring for way to long now. Its heavy duty. Its a three rail job built in the early 70's, so its all steel. There must be 1000 layers of paint on it. I been using paint stripper and sand blasting it to get all that crap off. If I could just sell my little 60 gal 6.5 hp compressor so I could buy a "real" compressor I'd be finished in no time. I was thinking I'd like to replace the rails on this thing. Anyone know where I can buy some modern trailer rails? I don't think my little 130 mm rear tire will fit into these tiny rails. As a side note, trailers are very expensive if you buy them in the DC area. For what Coleman wants for a flimsy MC trailer a buddy of mine bought a dual axle trailer that he can haul his large Ford tractor from some place in NC. I've noticed that there is a trailer place in New Market, VA. Its right on US 11. I was going to swing by there and see what they have and how much. Glenn > What kinda trailer do you use for bikes? Bought, or homemade? Am > considering > building a trailer outta some c-channel... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 07:37:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11984; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20575 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06131 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05323 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust015.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.15]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA11288 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:57:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980803065558.00699f7c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:55:58 +0000 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... At 18:05 3-08-98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >> Anita, if you want to save the labor costs (as others have done >> on the list) >> I'd (and I'm sure others) would be willing to help you fix it for free. >> Just get the parts. Then you can take the extra money the >> insurance company >> was going to pay for labor and buy something else for the bike. > >Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... Hmm, my first thought was that would be expensive to buy each of the helpers a keg. If she wanted that quality at that price, I'm surprised that Coleman's in Falls Church hasn't been suggested. ;-) Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 08:50:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12439; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22198 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07133 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05159 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA26905; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Payouts [was GPZ on the mend...] Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: <35c6f89a.724379141@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <3.0.32.19980803223441.00e819bc@www.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980803223441.00e819bc@www.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:34:46 -0400, you wrote: >Actually, they have to give you the money for the damage regardless of >whether or not you fix it. Just like a car. Get in a fender bender, = they >pay for the esitmated repair costs, you get the check and do as you = like. I guess I'll call my insurance company and ask them about this... the two fender benders I had, my insurance company made the check payable jointly to me and the place doing the repair work (I had to tell them where I was taking it). When my car stereo was stolen, they made the check payable to Circuit City and me. When stuff was stolen out of my storage bin at my condo, I had to go out and buy the replacements, provide receipts and get reimbursed. At no time did they just "write me a check." =20 Now, when I backed into a POS Toyota in a parking lot, they just wrote the guy a check. Six months later the POS Toyota (which had been parked in a fire lane) hadn't been fixed, and I had a surcharge on my insurance for 3 years! I really think it has to do with who is at fault -- otherwise you could just bash a door on your car every time you needed money! Since I have a loan on the bike, and the bank insists on insurance coverage, don't they have an interest in the collateral being retaining its value? I mean, otherwise I could take the $547.00 for the upper fairing and keep it. Not meaning to beat a dead horse, but I just don't know how I can "make money" off of wrecking my bike! Or that I'd want to! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (gonna be fixed good as new) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 08:57:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12533; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22253 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07303 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08591 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA27071; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "George Howell" Cc: "Anita Lauro" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <35c7fb01.724994156@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <000d01bdbf60$ef9c3780$2580e2cf@ghowell> In-Reply-To: <000d01bdbf60$ef9c3780$2580e2cf@ghowell> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:32:49 -0400, you wrote: >Similarly... You're going to lose the accident free, at least on the = bike. >And I wouldn't hold my breath about the car either. Since you will quite >possibly be screwed, you may as well go ahead and get everything you >possibly can for it. Well, I didn't have an accident free discount on the bike since I've only had it for a month... :-(. But I was told by my agent that the accident free discount will remain on my separate car policy. Something about it following the vehicle. =20 >But seriously, it's amazing how much all of this is costing for what = sounds >like a relatively simple low speed incident. Makes me question whether = or >not I should have gotten the plastic coated freight train last week. Yeah, I was wondering last night if I "moved up" to a plastic coated bike too soon... But, the repair costs are for replacing every item that is the least bit scratched with brand new OEM parts. If this bike was a few years old I wouldn't be worrying about a few scrapes on the centerstand, and I'd definitely keep the front fairing which is just "ground down" along one edge. The ugliest damage is to the lower fairing... that would have to be replaced no matter what! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (too pretty not to fix) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 09:05:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12668; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22385 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07473 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10581; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:28:40 -0400 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: See-YA Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:26:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 900RR is gone and so am I. Thanks to everyone on the list for all the good times. Curtis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 09:07:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12797; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22404 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07516 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08966 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA27338; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:25:55 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Leon Begeman Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: GPZ on the mend... Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: <35ccfe59.725850903@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19980803065558.00699f7c@illuminet.net> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980803065558.00699f7c@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:55:58 +0000, you wrote: >Hmm, my first thought was that would be expensive to buy each of the = helpers >a keg. If she wanted that quality at that price, I'm surprised that >Coleman's in Falls Church hasn't been suggested. ;-) Now there's a truly scary thought... After picking my newly restored bike I'm riding along Rte 66 only to see my fairings and exhaust system fall to the ground and get run over by traffic.... No thanks!!!! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (is it done yet? ha, ha) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 09:23:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12948; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22585 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07906 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09854 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08725 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036546@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:45:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain My VFR was knocked of its sidestand recently in a parking garage by someone who promptly left the scene. I took the bike to get an estimate for damages to a local cycle shop. The total parts and labor came to $1600. I took this estimate and the bike to my insurance company, who took pictures and then wrote a check made payable to me for $1400 (minus $200 for an uninsured motorist deductible). I then called a parts dealer in California and got the parts (OEM form Honda) for $800 (I didnt get a $200 part that had very, very slight scratches on it), put them on myself, bought an alarm and soft luggage with the remaining $600. Full coverage insurance for me is about $320, and i can live with a small increase if there is one, plus I have other insurance with them so I can threaten to switch companies if the try to increase it a great deal. It worked out ok for me. :-) Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 6:32 PM > To: George Howell; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... > > On Monday, August 03, 1998 6:06 PM, George Howell > [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... > > Heck for $800 I could buy everyone their own keg!! > > But I still don't think the insurance company is going to write *me* a > check for the total... when I had my car repaired they made the check > payable to me and the body shop. I think you only get "free money" > when > someone else hits you. Otherwise you could go around smashing your > car, > collecting money from your insurer, and not getting anything fixed! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (a little worse for wear) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 10:03:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13658; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22846 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08499 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Aug 4 08:21 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA28837 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDBF89.3E8A7CD0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:21:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From what I understand, (after dealing with State Farm), if you wanted to do the work yourself, you would have to put up the money up front to buy the replacement parts, and then PROVE to the insurance company that the repairs, per the estimate, were made. Kind of a hassle but for $800 + 15% off parts, I would consider it. (That also assumes you have that kind of $$$$$ available) Hey, with a keg, imagine what a great job we could all do, he, he, he. --John '98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 10:05:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13743; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22882 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08533 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11644 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA17712; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:23:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980804132332.GDAI729@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:23:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Anita Lauro CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980804132332.GDAI729@[166.41.242.141]> [Drum roll please] Estimated repair cost: Parts $2,353.14 Tax $ 105.89 Labor $ 849.60 Total $ 3,308.63 They were much better at finding scratched parts than I was! ___________________________________________ !!!!!! Does finding scratched parts go towards labor costs? Calculated at $59/hr (Cycle Sport Springfield), that's 14.4hrs of labor! These guys must be doing an excruciatingly detailed job of putting your pony back together, polishing every little bolt and every little fingerprint. Now, does anyone really spend time wondering why insurance rates are so high? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 10:43:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14357; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23387 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10029 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23265 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA27810 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808041401.KAA27810@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:57:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Why bother with radar in a plane? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980803112750.00b316a0@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was always under the impression that the BIG white lines painted crosswise across the highway (not crosswalks, in town, duh) were there so that planes could time you for the 1/4 or whatever between the sets of lines. They do the math and can determine how fast you're moving. Seemes like it would be lots cheaper than doing radar. If there's question of recording, accurately, when you cross the lines, I'm sure they could make a videotape with timestamps.. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 10:52:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14443; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23459 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10494 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27419; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:12:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25890; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808041411.KAA25890@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Cost of towing To: Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart Glenn B. Mr. IMCEN" ) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" " at Aug 3, 98 02:59:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > That CC seems to good to be true. Anyone else know anything about it? If anyone here is good at reading "the fine print" for legal/finacial stuff, I can show you all the paperwork I got (brochure and information from the CC company.) I looked it over and didn't see anything that looked out of order. The only bummer is that it says "Coleman Powersport" underneath my name on the card. I just got the card and I'm itching to charge something. Maybe the new StreetPiolet from Garmin; now that the Aerostich is finally paid off. [stupid post office delivered my other CC bill over a month late. :-( ] Louis > > Glenn > > > > However, there are some towing programs out there (handy if you are > > out of town). I just saw a new one which looked really interesting > > that I wanted to let you know about. It's a Motorcycle Riders Visa > > card. Just a regular credit card, but one of the member benefits is > > free towing (more accurately, the first $100 is free). I saw the > > brochure at Coleman's Woodbridge. I read it over several times, and asked > > several questions to the finance guy, but it seems ligit. It's through > > MTS, which is what most of the towing plans use. There is no annual > > fee for the credit card. You even get to pick what kind of motorcycles > > you want on the card (touring, dirt, etc). > > > > I just got the card and information. There is a limit of 4 tows a year > > (seems reasonable). Other than that I couldn't find any other catch. > > I always pay my card in full (except when the Post office looses my > > bill, but that's a different story) so it seems to be like getting > > towing service for free. I hope I'll never need it, but it's nice to > > know it's there. > > > > There are brochures at Coleman's in Woodbridge (I wouldn't know about > > Falls Church, I rarely go there) for more info. I hope I'm not making > > this sound like spam. Just wanted to let you all know. If anyone > > does find out about any catches that I didn't see, please let me know! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 11:19:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14698; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23749 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11214 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14832 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA12528 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199808041438.KAA12528@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:34:30 -0400 Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... To: anita@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Anita, Really sorry to hear about the bike and especially your scapes....hope both of you get well soon! As far as the insurance check is concerned, most likely they'll write it out to you *and* Cycle Sport but they'll mail the check to YOU. Take the check to your bank and deposit it..don't cash it, just deposit it in your checking account..banks will almost never question a "for deposit only" check..at that point, you can use the money any way you want. (Working for a banking institution has helped me find out all kinds of bank "stuff")... We are going through this right now with our master bathroom..it had a leak and the insurance company wrote a check for $3k to repair it...the check was made out to us *and* a contracting firm..we deposited it and got our own contractors to do the work...(which incidently went from a minor repair to a complete $8k remodeling..don't ask, Jenny does this to me everytime ..*sigh* )... cheers, -aki > On Monday, August 03, 1998 6:06 PM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... > > Heck for $800 I could buy everyone their own keg!! > > But I still don't think the insurance company is going to write *me* a > check for the total... when I had my car repaired they made the check > payable to me and the body shop. I think you only get "free money" when > someone else hits you. Otherwise you could go around smashing your car, > collecting money from your insurer, and not getting anything fixed! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (a little worse for wear) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 11:24:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14810; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23813 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11343 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14932 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 412 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:42:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980804104226.00afa160@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:42:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Coleman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I dont want to start another thread but, just a quick note. My front brake caliper bracket broke last night, so I called Manassas Honda and Colemans in Woodbridge. Besides the guy being an asshole at Colemans, here was the result: Manassas : $81.92 Colemans: $92.57 Same part, and manassas will get it to me sooner. {{ Sigh }} ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 11:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14831; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23821 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11369 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15215 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Todd Peer , Anita Lauro Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 9:13 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > Does finding scratched parts go towards labor costs? Calculated > at $59/hr (Cycle Sport Springfield), that's 14.4hrs of labor! > These guys must be doing an excruciatingly detailed job of putting > your pony back together, polishing every little bolt and every > little fingerprint. There was 1 hour included in the labor costs for doing the estimate. It probably took the guy a while to look up all the part numbers - I think there were at least 30 parts to be replaced. I'm assuming that they just look up the "book rate" for doing a particular repair/replacement, and then make even more $$ by completing in less time. Kind of like what happens if you are silly enough to have scheduled maintenance done at a car dealer! The other thing that seems kind of bogus is how the estimate for each job as if it was done by itself - for example, replacing the exhaust will require removing the fairing, something they already have to do to because the fairing will be replaced also. So, they don't factor that into the equation and make even more. > Now, does anyone really spend time wondering why insurance rates > are so high? Well, they say that because the used part market is so lucrative, Honda Accords are the #1 vehicle to be stolen... I guess at this point, nothing really surprises me. I had to have a headlight assembly replaced on a 1986 Plymouth Colt (in 1986) because of an accident - I was going to pay for it myself rather than wait for the insurance estimate, until I found out it was $150! And this was twelve years ago. I think I'll just have Cycle Sport fix the darn thing and be done with it. The only thing I am seriously considering is getting either a used exhaust system (from someone on the GPZ mailing list), or an aftermarket one, and putting the difference towards a new helmet. Mine has gotten a little loose over the three years I've had it, and I don't mind fudging things a bit to get a new helmet. Anita '96 GPZ1100 (six million dollar motorcycle... we can rebuild it... but at what cost?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 11:36:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15094; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23944 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11669 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:00:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:00:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 9:21 AM, Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] wrote: > From what I understand, (after dealing with State Farm), if you wanted > to do the work yourself, you would have to put up the money up front > to buy the replacement parts, and then PROVE to the insurance company > that the repairs, per the estimate, were made. Kind of a hassle but > for $800 + 15% off parts, I would consider it. (That also assumes you > have that kind of $$$$$ available) Okay, this scenario makes sense! Did you go this route? Seems like a lot of money could be tied up in parts for a while... money I don't have laying around! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 12:00:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15355; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24321 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12369 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16613 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Dan Brown'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Why bother with radar in a plane? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Those lines are for VASCAR. Where they do time you between two spots. VASCAR can be used on the ground or in the air. MD used to enforce speed limits from the air but citizens complained how costly it was. They still have the signs on the roadways but don't do it that way anymore. I have never seen VA enforce speed from the air. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 9:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Why bother with radar in a plane? > > > > > I was always under the impression that the BIG white lines painted > crosswise across the highway (not crosswalks, in town, duh) were there > so that planes could time you for the 1/4 or whatever between the > sets of lines. They do the math and can determine how fast you're > moving. Seemes like it would be lots cheaper than doing radar. If > there's question of recording, accurately, when you cross the lines, > I'm sure they could make a videotape with timestamps.. > > > -- > The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the > conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 12:08:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15467; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24474 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12909 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:27:22 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WVTUa22588 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:26:29 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-08-04 09:07:49 EDT, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah, I was wondering last night if I "moved up" to a plastic coated > bike too soon... But, the repair costs are for replacing every item > that is the least bit scratched with brand new OEM parts. If this > bike was a few years old I wouldn't be worrying about a few scrapes on > the centerstand, and I'd definitely keep the front fairing which is > just "ground down" along one edge. The ugliest damage is to the lower > fairing... that would have to be replaced no matter what! :-) Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've only worked with fiberglass a little bit. Can't bodywork be repaired at all? Couldn't you just fill in the scratches, sand it smooth and repaint? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 12:25:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15714; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25798 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13786 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA29185; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA16175; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA18358; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:01 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA18355; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:00 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDBF84.063D4970@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:43:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:38:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 13 TEXT, 46 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi guys, I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I would do but didn't. Bad girl! - - Ursulina 1988 Kaw 454 LTD begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(CP/`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S@<(``0` M" `F``X``@`?`0$@@ ,`#@```,X'" `$``@`*P`[``(`40$!"8 !`"$````R M-T5%034Q,D$R,C-$,C$Q03%#-# P.# U1D,Q1$-&0@`K!P$-@ 0``@````(` M`@`!!( !`"(```!4:6UE('1O(&-H86YG92!T:&4@;VEL(&]N(&UY(&)I:V4` MFPL!`Y &`(P&```F`````P``@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````4H4``+<- M```>``& "" &``````# ````````1@````!4A0```0````0````X+C ``P`" M@ @@!@``````P ```````$8``````84````````+``. 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M24PE<#U!5%0E;#U(445.1U]-4T; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13956 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Aug 4 09:58 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA02425 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:58:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDBF96.CDFD6FA0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Anita Lauro'" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:58:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No. I wanted to but, like you, I didn't have the $$$$ lying around. It would save a lot of $$$$ though. If you do the math, you can see that you may be able to make money. (Original estimate for parts is 15% higher) Also, since I didn't go this route I'm not sure if the insurance company would pay YOU to do the labor. --John ---------- From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 11:00 AM To: Carver, John; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 9:21 AM, Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] wrote: > From what I understand, (after dealing with State Farm), if you wanted > to do the work yourself, you would have to put up the money up front > to buy the replacement parts, and then PROVE to the insurance company > that the repairs, per the estimate, were made. Kind of a hassle but > for $800 + 15% off parts, I would consider it. (That also assumes you > have that kind of $$$$$ available) Okay, this scenario makes sense! Did you go this route? Seems like a lot of money could be tied up in parts for a while... money I don't have laying around! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:20:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16756; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26800 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15532 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:45:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:45:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 11:26 AM, MARKSOMM@XXXXXX [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] wrote: > Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've only worked with fiberglass a > little bit. Can't bodywork be repaired at all? Couldn't you just fill in > the scratches, sand it smooth and repaint? Not a dumb question at all... but I don't think that my fairings are fiberglass. Pretty sure they are plastic, painted and clearcoated. The lower fairing melted where it contacted the engine... don't know if fiberglass would melt. Anyhow, the scratches could possibly be repaired as you suggested, but they are pretty extensive. As for the melted part, not sure what I could do with that! If I was fixing it myself I'd spend most of my $$ replacing the lower fairing (maybe with a used one), leave the upper one, centerstand, sidestand, etc. alone. I plan on keeping the damaged upper fairing, because it is not in that bad shape (ground down alone one edge near the top)... could come in handy some day (for someone else, of course!!). Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:36:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17152; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27212 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16558 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20909 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:54:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:54:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That may be with State Farm but its not always the case. One of our other listers has received a check from their insurance company and then mail ordered the parts to fix their bike. YMMV Glenn > From what I understand, (after dealing with State Farm), if you wanted > to do the work yourself, you would have to put up the money up front > to buy the replacement parts, and then PROVE to the insurance company > that the repairs, per the estimate, were made. Kind of a hassle but > for $800 + 15% off parts, I would consider it. (That also assumes you > have that kind of $$$$$ available) Hey, with a keg, imagine what a > great job we could all do, he, he, he. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:46:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17274; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27376 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scdh-99.umd.edu (known scdh-99.umd.edu [128.8.198.99]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16922 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by scdh-99.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27562; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:03:53 -0400 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199808041703.NAA27562@scdh-99.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Time to change the oil on my bike To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX (Viteri, Ursulina) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Viteri, Ursulina" at Aug 4, 98 08:38:14 am Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viteri, Ursulina writes: > > Hi guys, > > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? > Dunno about the correct weight, but surprisingly Target has had really good prices on Mobil 1- last time I checked, it was 3.33/qt in single bottles (or about $20/case) compared to Trak Auto- which was $4.00/qt and the previous winner- Price Club which is now at ~$22 a case, or $3.67/qt. Matt ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:47:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17287; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27392 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16973 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21449 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Price Club has the best price on Mobil 1 that I have seen. And the one in Newington is the only one that I know carries the 15W50 weight. Glenn > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? > > I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price > (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I > would do but didn't. Bad girl! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:48:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17310; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27399 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17009 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA01481; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:07:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980804170725.OUY11077@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:07:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Time to change the oil on my bike X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980804170725.OUY11077@[166.41.242.141]> The absolute best price I've ever seen was at a K-Mart, on sale for $19.99 a case(six 6) with a rebate for $3.00. But that doesn't help you, does it? I usually go to Trak Auto. If I'm in Price Club I'll pick up a case. It's about a dollar cheaper than Trak. Expect to pay around $24-$26. Still cheaper than the moto-oils. Todd ______________-original-__________________ Hi guys, I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I would do but didn't. Bad girl! - - Ursulina 1988 Kaw 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:52:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17402; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27472 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17162 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id KAA26525 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:40 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:40 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:12:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've only worked with fiberglass a >little bit. Can't bodywork be repaired at all? Couldn't you just fill in the >scratches, sand it smooth and repaint? 'tain't fiberglass 's ABS Getting adhesives or resins to stick properly to ABS is a problem Plus the hourly charges for patch paint 'n prime would probably exceed the cost of a new part. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:54:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17535; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27514 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17262 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 369; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:13:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35C74136.AF90B32F@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:13:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Time to change the oil on my bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Best price I've seen on the Mobil 1 is $3.9x or so per quart at WalMart. I'd happily pay less somewhere else if someone has a better source. 15w50 is the right weight for your bike (mine too.) I actually buy oil filters for the Connie at Pep Boys now. I don't recall if they have filters for your bike, (check the little booklets by the oil filters) but I enjoy paying only $2 per filter vs the $8-11 that the stealerships charge. Horkster Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? > > I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price > (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I would > do but didn't. Bad girl! > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kaw 454 LTD > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > WINMAIL.DAT Type: wordpad (application/x-unknown-content-type-dat_auto_file) > Encoding: x-uuencode -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 14:16:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17989; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27779 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18291 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7PFGa04160; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:35:20 EDT To: brown@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Why bother with radar in a plane? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 This is the method I have heard of. The lines are supposed to be "calibrated" so that at a given speed you pass so many lines (4 comes to mind) in a set amount of time. If you cross more lines in that set time, you're speeding. And don't forget the almighty radio. Who's to say that they don't call a cruiser to come out and pace you or hit you with a radar gun for verification? At any rate, the safest policy is to simply NOT SPEED and if you do speed, you know you're at risk!! No flames, please!! Robert "yes, I speed" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 14:43:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18630; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28341 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19775 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:01:34 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 04 Aug 1998 14:01:15 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 04 Aug 1998 14:01:15 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0670935C74C6B003-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0670935C74C6B003 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0670935C74C6B003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 04 Aug 1998 14:01:15 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "MARKSOMM@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), Anita Lauro (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Message-Id: <0670935C74C6B003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I wouldn't plan on keeping anything if I were you. If your insurance company is like most they will scoop up the damaged parts and take them home (unless you buy them). This way they make sure the bike stays fixed, not just put some parts on for show (to the claims adjuster) and then switch the damaged ones back to be fixed at a later date. I plan on keeping the damaged upper fairing, because it is not in that bad shape (ground down alone one edge near the top)... could come in handy some day (for someone else, of course!!). Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 14:44:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18648; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28357 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19843 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBUMa02269 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11264af3.35c74ca2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:02:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: A question about Jackets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, now that I've sold my Nighthawk, I'm going to get a new jacket. I've been looking at the Hein Gericke "Boost" Jacket, the Axo "Stuttgart," and a jacket I saw that looked similar to the others, made by Technic. I'm leaning toward the Hein Gericke because of looks and relative ease of ordering it from DK. They all seem to be comparable in price and features. Anyone have experience with these jackets? Comments, good or bad, would be very helpful!! My old jacket simply won't survive another winter! Thanks in advance! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 15:03:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19614; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28763 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21121 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24694 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Carver, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:26:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 12:54 PM, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] wrote: > That may be with State Farm but its not always the case. One of our other > listers has received a check from their insurance company and then mail > ordered the parts to fix their bike. Okay, in order to get the "real deal", I called State Farm to ask them what would happen if I wanted to fix the bike myself... here's the scoop: 1) They *will* just write me a check based on the estimate, labor included. 2) If I don't bring the repaired bike back to them to verify that the repair work has been done, it will show up as prior damage on my policy. In other words, if I don't show them my repaired bike and I total it the next week, they will deduct that prior payment from any settlement. 3) Since the estimate amount is over $1,500, the check would be made payable to both me and the lienholder [my bank] in order to protect their interest in my bike. I knew the bank had to fit in somehow. 4) If you hit someone else, your insurance company does just writes them a check because they really don't care what that person does with the money (they have no interest in the vehicle). So, it would be very simple for someone who owns their bike outright simply to get a check, do the repairs themselves, and pocket the difference. For me, even though Aki said I could just deposit the check without getting the additional endorsement, I'm just going to stick with having Cycle Sport do the repairs. That way everyone will be happy (especially Cycle Sport) and I have someone to go back to if there are any problems. I'm still going to try for the new helmet, though. Thanks for all the advice and sympathy! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 15:05:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19698; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28821 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21301 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25002 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:23:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:23:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yeah of course with K-Mart they NEVER have anything in stock that is on sale. Glenn > The absolute best price I've ever seen was at a K-Mart, on sale for > $19.99 a case(six 6) with a rebate for $3.00. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 15:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20371; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29607 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24111 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id MAA18051 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:08:19 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:08:19 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:09:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, the insurance company is contractually obligated to you to compensate you for your losses. Whether or not you repair the damage is your call (you have sustained the loss, and damages are payable) - you can take the money and run and ride the damaged beast as-is if you want. If the vehicle is "totalled" the story is somewhat different - the title of the damaged vehicle transfers to the insurance company in return for the disbursement. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 16:11:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20780; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29921 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12618 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256656.006BCAA6 ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:37:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256656.006A5BA7.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:37:21 -0400 Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >Yeah of course with K-Mart they NEVER >have anything in stock that is on sale. And don't forget the joy of standing in Kmart's checkout line for at least 20 minutes. I've come to the conclusion that no matter how few, or many customers are in the store, there will only be enough lines open to make sure that any that are open are at least 10 people deep. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 16:20:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20899; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00192 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25212 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19289 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another cover gets stolen. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello. I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 17:31:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21970; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01684 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28384 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA03820 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256656.0072677D ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:49:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256656.007208B5.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:51:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline When I lived in Brooklyn I had a coiled steel cable with eyelets at both ends...in addition to the disc lock and the chain through the swing arm/rear wheel, I would put the cover on the bike and wrap this coiled cable around the entire bike...that really held the cover on snugly. Later, when I got some lighter gauge chain I used that instead, making sure that there wasn't enough slack in the chain to remove the cover easily. Everything was linked with a heavy Master padlock. Using this system it took me about 10 minutes to lock, cover, and lock (again) the bike, but I never had a problem with vandals or thieves. -Doug 81 GS 750 L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Another cover gets stolen. Hello. I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 17:47:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22168; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01846 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29323 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA00913 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980804210531.BYTQ11077@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:05:31 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Another cover gets stolen. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdbfeb$9a130740$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Gee, you did what I would have thought would deter a thief. I guess they don't care about your initials on the bag. How about your address? Maybe it was just a homeless person who wanted to stay dry? Condolences, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Winslow [mailto:ewinslow@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 3:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another cover gets stolen. Hello. I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 18:17:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22385; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02079 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00115 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03493; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808042136.RAA03493@meretrix.com> To: Eric Winslow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:38:41 EDT." Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:36:31 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). I live in South Baltimore, and keep my covered locked on, and so far I haven't had one stolen (I've had worse luck with my Jeep). I've given deep consideration to this dilemma though, and the only solution I've come up with would be to paint in giant red letters "I (heart) John Tesh" on both sides of the cover, inside and out. My guess is that nobody would steal that cover. Hope this helps, -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 18:19:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22401; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02099 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00139 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (falcor@XXXXXX [199.0.70.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03499 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03425; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So Mobil 1 is okay for bikes? (I mean it makes sence.. but you know.) I use it in my car, and would rather use it then the expensive "Bike Oil" at the dealer. I am at 2000Mi on my f3 now... the book is a little hard to follow about the oil change after the 600 checkup. Should I change it now, and if so should I change the filter too? Can I do this without a centerstand, and or those things you hook on the weels? I.e. can I do it correctly with just the side stand? And should I wait until 3000 to put in synthetic? -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Price Club has the best price on Mobil 1 that I have seen. And the one in > Newington is the only one that I know carries the 15W50 weight. > > Glenn > > > > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? > > > > I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price > > (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I > > would do but didn't. Bad girl! > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 18:19:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22409; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02104 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00148 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:36:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:36:17 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover stolen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Another cover stolen Sorry about the cover, Eric. I'll keep an eye out for it. I was about to suggest marking the cover, but I see in your postscript you already did that (I still think it's a good idea, but it's obviously not foolproof). Maybe the thief thought "EMW" was "BMW" and stole it as a status symbol. I also live in D.C., and had a cover stolen. I've heard some homeless people steal the covers for themselves. You might give the cover an odor (maybe not agreeable, but it's an idea). I think the best way to keep the cover, like the bike, is to keep it out of sight. If you can park the bike off the street (in a front or back yard) try that. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 18:40:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22811; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02288 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00562 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:58:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:58:36 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ewinslow@XXXXXX Subject: Another cover gets stolen. -Reply "The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow" How neatly did you paint it? Some idiot might have glanced at it and assumed it said "BMW." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 20:04:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23353; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03010 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02530 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:19:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdbffe$54b52d00$2880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 First bike. First day of ownership. First time taking it out of garage. Hit gravel driveway. Plonk. Oh well, no big deal. Just scraped the cases a little bit. Second bike. Try to get off of bike without putting sidestand down (so that I can put bike on centerstand) Done it a dozen times. Plonk. Oh. Did it a dozen times before putting on backrest. That gets in the way. Oh well. Just scraped the cases a bit. Third bike. Stop sign, take a left. Lean a little more, lean a little more... Hey, it's not going over anymore, and here comes the side of the road.... plonk. Oh well. It's a 17 year old bike, and those saddlebag and engine guards work NICE. No noticable damage. Today, bike number four. Shitty day at work. Screaming headache. Just wanna go home and eat. Hop on bike, put into gear. Start moving forward, start falling to the left. Plonk. Fucking disc lock. Raise bike up. Inspect for damage. Caliper is okay (whew). Mirror/turnsingal unit fell off. Fix it later (and hope the lens can be epoxied). Oh, crap. Plastic bike. Left side cover scraped up quite a bit. Oh well. At least it ain't cracked. What was I saying yesterday about the folly of a faired bike? Oh well. (BTW, I'm fine. I think I might have a bruise on the heel of my right hand in the morning. But the ego... That's gonna need some TLC.) Kids, be careful when you get the new bike. Luckily, I've never been going faster than about 5 mph on my new bike dumps. But it could be much worse. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 21:17:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23982; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03350 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03589 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.96.197] (pm2-197.his.com [205.177.96.197]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20508 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808050036.UAA20508@mail.his.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (297) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:35:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: "Dc-Cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: "Linda Tanner" >Maybe it was just a homeless person who wanted to stay dry? A neighbor actually interrupted the thief while he was also trying to roll one of Garcia's (on the list and a housemate of mine) bikes away. He left Garcia's bike in the street and picked up my cover and walked on down the road. He didn't look like a homeless person. Just slime. >-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Winslow [mailto:ewinslow@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 3:39 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Another cover gets stolen. > > >Hello. > >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This >past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running >through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a >thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. >Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? > >Eric M. Winslow >'93 GS500E >1-800-AMA-JOIN > >p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with >my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. >It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My >theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be >reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this >cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 21:21:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24156; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03395 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03683 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.96.197] (pm2-197.his.com [205.177.96.197]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23206 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808050040.UAA23206@mail.his.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (297) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:40:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. -Reply From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It was a pretty sloppy paint job (made to look UGLY), but there would be no mistaking those initials for a brand mark. I sure wish I could keep it off the street, but that's not an option. ---------- >From: David Wakefield >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ewinslow@XXXXXX >Subject: Another cover gets stolen. -Reply >Date: Tue, Aug 4, 1998, 5:58 PM > >"The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model >with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow" > >How neatly did you paint it? Some idiot might have glanced at it and >assumed it said "BMW." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 21:40:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24347; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03512 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04117 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA03013 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.111.246]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980805005836.JYTA876@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:58:36 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc00c$2c2f9ba0$f66f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: The frequency of oil changes is an arcane art. I do mine at 3K mile intervals. I switched to Mobil 1 at 28k miles and I always change the filter when I change the oil. You do not need a centerstand to change the oil. The side stand will do. I remove the lower fairings and put aluminum foil on the header pipes to keep the oil that comes out when the filter is removed off the pipes. It's an easy job. I believe the manual says change the oil at 600 miles and 8k. And 8k intervals thereafter. YMMV LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. Frank Artes asked: So Mobil 1 is okay for bikes? (I mean it makes sence.. but you know.) I use it in my car, and would rather use it then the expensive "Bike Oil" at the dealer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:09:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24726; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03837 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04876 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA00803 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01aa01bdc010$422b8500$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:19:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley > It's amazing how clueless cagers are about us. > And all non-mc'ers. Contemplations of my recent downer have been accompanied by a lot of "what-ifs" about the actions of the on-scene people and police. While I was conscious and, it turns out, largely unbroken, the moment was full of questions. Take helmet off? How get it off (I had special two-finger release snap)? (It and earplugs stayed on through the ER.) Fuel spilling from MC for 20 min as I lay there. Wallet/DrLic -- where located in Aerostitch/clothing? Etc. etc. Worthy of some kind of bike-mounted emergency instructions for use when the rider unable to direct. Bill Swanson / DC (Thank you Mother for clean underwear training.) 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:09:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24732; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03839 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04879 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA00808 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01ab01bdc010$43381300$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: No Moto Status Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:25:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Inquiry was made about my no moto status. -----Original Message----- >Glad to see you are finding ways of filling the non-moto time. Never a troubling search. Many options, it's balancing that challenges. Limbo-moto causes serious glasshoppa disharmony from several practical and soulful aspects. Darn wrong time of the year. >What's the >story with your bike - totaled or no? Or are they still stalling? Are you >mostly healed? Have you decided what you're going to do next? > >questions questions > > The other insurance company is apparently on track for making me whole again. MD's, MC's, other timing all starting to come together for RIDING in the next weeks. More as things are nailed down. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:09:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24744; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03835 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04873 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13660 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA00799 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01a901bdc010$4138e7a0$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:01:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Thanks, and again. The best high-season A. rates I've run into have been over twice that. Your bargaining approach noted (and towels go on the triplist). Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX >it was an Econolodge - . . .. End result: $25 for the >room, $3 for tax, plus a $5 key deposit, returned upon departure. :D > >Life is good. > >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:15:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24802; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03889 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05026 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13693 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA22294 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:34:58 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Any deals on helmets in the area? Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:38:43 -0400 Message-ID: <35d0b6b2.773050790@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 or RF800 to replace it. Might even like one before the trip this weekend. Has anyone seen any "sale prices" on Shoei helmets at any local dealerships? Maybe a markdown or discontinued item? Probably just wishful thinking on my part! Thanks in advance! Anita '96 GPZ1100=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:35:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24999; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04296 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05372 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:54:11 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id VAA27487; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:51:07 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027443; Tue, 4 Aug 98 21:50:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EX700ERS10JWE@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256657.0009D73C ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:47:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:47:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. To: Harry Mantakos Cc: Eric Winslow , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256657.0009E114.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL No, but then they would beat the living sh*t out of your bike. Kind of a self-defeating concept ... :-) --chris BTW, Is this the Eric Winslow that works for the AMA legislative staff in DC? In any event, welcome to the list ... To: Eric Winslow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Harry Mantakos Date: 08/04/98 09:36:31 PM GMT Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). I live in South Baltimore, and keep my covered locked on, and so far I haven't had one stolen (I've had worse luck with my Jeep). I've given deep consideration to this dilemma though, and the only solution I've come up with would be to paint in giant red letters "I (heart) John Tesh" on both sides of the cover, inside and out. My guess is that nobody would steal that cover. Hope this helps, -harry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:58:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25210; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04767 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05733 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:16:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id WAA29112; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:14:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa29092; Tue, 4 Aug 98 22:14:03 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EX700GCD23R8I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256657.000BFC84 ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:10:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:11:13 -0400 Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike To: Linda Tanner Cc: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <85256657.000C0779.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeah, but if you do that, you don't get the cool smoke screen (produced by the burning oil that dripped on your pipes) for the first several miles ... :-) --chris To: Dc-Cycles cc: From: Linda Tanner Date: 08/05/98 12:58:34 AM GMT Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike --snip-- I remove the lower fairings and put aluminum foil on the header pipes to keep the oil that comes out when the filter is removed off the pipes. It's an easy job. --snip-- LindaT. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 23:08:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25453; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04956 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05885 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-52-85.s85.tnt1.brd.erols.com [207.172.52.85]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27707 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C7884D.86AB3EA9@erols.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:16:46 +0000 From: Alexander Bonilla X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycle Club Subject: 94-F2 for sale!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am selling my CBR-F2, It is got a 2-bros slip-on, MEZ1 tires, it comes with quite a few accessories. It will go for $4950/negotiable If anyone knows of anyone who may be interested in the bike, please direct them to me at (301) 294-9372 or (202) 782-8399 Thanks!!! ALEX!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 23:30:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25597; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05170 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06297 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14147 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA02646; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-120-50.s50.tnt14.brd.erols.com(207.172.120.50) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma002641; Tue, 4 Aug 98 22:48:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:49:36 -0400 To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get any more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I did). With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very >hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now >than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the >pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. > >Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 >or RF800 to replace it. Might even like one before the trip this >weekend. Has anyone seen any "sale prices" on Shoei helmets at any >local dealerships? Maybe a markdown or discontinued item? Probably >just wishful thinking on my part! > >Thanks in advance! >Anita >'96 GPZ1100 > ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 23:41:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25642; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05247 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06653 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA24441; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C7F5D6.7149@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:04:06 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Jackets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Robert, Better make sure you try the HG on first somewhere. I wear a 39L suicoat and I took a 42 HG jacket. You also should figure in sweater bulk for the cooler months. -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 23:47:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25675; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05285 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06835 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14233 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA24566; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35c8cbb8.3186942@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:49:36 -0400, you wrote: >I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get = any >more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I = did). >With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got >ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) That doesn't seem too bad... I paid about $190 for my RF200 three years ago, and I think the RF800 is a much better helmet (later model at least!). I'm thinking I should be able to get a decent discount at Cycle Sport, but who knows! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 00:38:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26589; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05564 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07589 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.96.179] (pm7-179.his.com [205.177.96.179]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18241 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808050356.XAA18241@mail.his.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (297) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:56:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit No, that's not me. I was unaware that a namesake of mine was working in that office. I have been on the list for quite a bit, off and on, but lurk for the most part. Eric > >BTW, Is this the Eric Winslow that works for the AMA legislative staff in >DC? In any event, welcome to the list ... > > >To: Eric Winslow >cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Harry Mantakos >Date: 08/04/98 09:36:31 PM GMT >Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. > > > > > >>I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >>from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). > >I live in South Baltimore, and keep my covered locked on, and so >far I haven't had one stolen (I've had worse luck with my Jeep). >I've given deep consideration to this dilemma though, and the >only solution I've come up with would be to paint in giant red >letters "I (heart) John Tesh" on both sides of the cover, inside >and out. My guess is that nobody would steal that cover. > >Hope this helps, >-harry >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD >21230 >Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, >harry@XXXXXX > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 00:40:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26595; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05581 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07647 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25097; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:56:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:51:50 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Mike T wrote: > I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get any > more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I did). > With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got > ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) I paid $220 for my RF200 'Blaze' and got my RF700 on sale for $216,so $260 for the latest/greatest from a dealer sounds right. > At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: > >While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very > >hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now > >than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the > >pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. A drop from waist height is supposed to be enough to compress the foam,so if you bounced your's off the ground while wearing it,it's prolly time for a new one. > >Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 > >or RF800 to replace it. I like my 700 much better than my 200's.The 700 is queiter,the shield is easier to change,and I think the vents work better.The lever that cracks the shield open works better on the 200,though. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26803; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06504 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08169 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25434; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:26:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:24:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > 2) If I don't bring the repaired bike back to them to verify that the > repair work has been done, it will show up as prior damage on my policy. > In other words, if I don't show them my repaired bike and I total it the > next week, they will deduct that prior payment from any settlement. They must've changed their policy.Back in '94 I put in a claim when my 900RR blew over and they just cut me a check.Never wanted to see the bike or anything.It only had like $750 damage,so maybe price is the big factor. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:14:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26820; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06543 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08210 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25450; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:30:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:27:54 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Time to change the oil on my bike To: "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? Sounds a bit heavy for a liquid-cooled bike.I think the manuals usually call for 10w-40.I run 15w-50 in the Buell. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:20:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26834; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06572 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08292 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id RXLAa04231; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:36:25 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jackets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thanks for the tip! Any idea on any place that might have HG jackets in stock? So far I've come up empty-handed. I'm interested in trying on the Axo Stuttgart as well (I've already tried on the Technic, and wasn't too impressed for the price). Thanks in advance! I'm in no rush to get a new jacket, but will definitely have one before it gets much cooler. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow (hopefully getting that stupid hydraulic clutch fixed this week!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:30:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26927; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06625 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08436 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25494; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:44:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:37:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Frank Artes wrote: > So Mobil 1 is okay for bikes? (I mean it makes sence.. but you know.) I > use it in my car, and would rather use it then the expensive "Bike Oil" at > the dealer. They just had an article on this in _MCN_.They were discussing the new oil rating,SJ I believe.The conclusion was that heavier oils,10w-40+, weren't effected so the oil you put in your bike should be ok. > I am at 2000Mi on my f3 now... the book is a little hard to follow about > the oil change after the 600 checkup. I changed mine at 3K on my liquid-cooled bikes. > Should I change it now, and if so > should I change the filter too? How dirty is it(how black)?Yes,change your filter when you change the oil,especially if you're switching to synthetic. > Can I do this without a centerstand, and > or those things you hook on the weels? I.e. can I do it correctly with > just the side stand? Yep.My CBR9 had the oil drain on the side so it was made to be done on the sidestand.I imagine your F3 should be the same.Even if it isn't, you just let it drain until it stops coming out,then sit on the bike and hold it upright until it's finished draining again. > And should I wait until 3000 to put in synthetic? I've always heard you should wait 3K to change to synth,but Triumph says it's ok to use in their bikes right after the 600 service. YMMV,etc. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:34:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27009; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06654 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08483 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25512; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:48:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:45:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01aa01bdc010$422b8500$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, mobacc wrote: > Worthy of some kind of > bike-mounted emergency instructions for use when the rider unable to direct. Someone used to make stickers(AMA?) that you put on your helmet telling people not to take it off.I've also seen a sleeve with this info that you slide over your helmet strap.Also,I saw one of the listers with info on the back of his helmet in stick-on letters. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 02:02:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27272; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06840 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08840 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:17:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "mobacc" , Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:17:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc030$511166a0$2680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01aa01bdc010$422b8500$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 GWRRA has a page in the gold book that they reccommend you copy. Has spaces for all of your emergency info. Then put it into a particular fairing pocket with a bright sticker on the pocket that says 'emergency info inside'. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 02:02:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27276; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06843 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08843 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:17:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "Linda Tanner" Cc: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:17:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdc030$529b13e0$2680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256657.000C0779.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 My Wing's PO put some kind of crappy low grade paint on the headers (to cover rust? whaddya think:) Not at all heat resistant after the engine ran for about 5 minutes. Only took an hour or so to burn it all off. Luckily not in traffic:) Glad I wasn't following me that day. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 10:11 PM > To: Linda Tanner > Cc: Dc-Cycles > Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike > > > Yeah, but if you do that, you don't get the cool smoke screen (produced by > the burning oil that dripped on your pipes) for the first several > miles ... > :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 02:09:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27346; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06910 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08953 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6UYCa07259; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61bc5e7b.35c7ed24@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:26:59 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Santa's Motorcycle(was Re: Helmet deals.) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 In a message dated 98-08-05 01:21:28 EDT, (mike@XXXXXX) writes: << The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. >> I thought it was because he rode a TLR. =) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:20:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29620; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09739 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA12629 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIKCa22588 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2000bd24.35c835c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:36:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-08-05 01:08:06 EDT, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > > At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: > > >While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very > > >hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now > > >than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the > > >pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. > > A drop from waist height is supposed to be enough to compress the > foam,so if you bounced your's off the ground while wearing it,it's > prolly time for a new one. > The damage to the old helmet should be covered by insurance as part of the accident claim. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:32:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29681; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10270 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA12757 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id GAA20801; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:48:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa20786; Wed, 5 Aug 98 06:47:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EX700M0OPV22P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256657.003CE8A4 ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:44:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:44:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? To: "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256657.003B02E4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You know, that's what I used to think too. However, I was at the NYC moto show this winter and talking to the Snell rep about it. She said that a drop was fine, as long as the shell of the hemet wasn't cracked. The reasoning she used was that if there was no head in the helmet, then there was nothing to compress the foam, and the lid would be fine assuming that the outer shell remained OK. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Gil M. Nissley" Date: 08/04/98 11:51:50 PM GMT Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? --snip-- A drop from waist height is supposed to be enough to compress the foam,so if you bounced your's off the ground while wearing it,it's prolly time for a new one. --snip-- The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:47:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29721; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10363 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12884 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA04133 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:05:42 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:05:42 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:07:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >They just had an article on this in _MCN_.They were discussing the new >oil rating,SJ I believe.The conclusion was that heavier oils,10w-40+, >weren't effected so the oil you put in your bike should be ok. Just to add to the general confusion on the API SJ oils (I'm looking for definitive answers myself). I read in this month's Cycle World that although manufacturers are only required to meet the new API spec with their car-weight oils, many of them use the same additive package across the entire range to save buck$ in the manufacturing process. I've heard that Mobil 1 in the 15W-50 is OK, but that Mobil 1 in the 10W-30 isn't. Motorcycle oils ARE ok (naturally) and an article in this month's Big Twin (the tech note in Cycle World pointed me to this - I normally DO NOT read Harley mags)says that diesel rated oils are OK too - I'll dig a bit deeper and post some of the relevant bits from the articles when I get home tonight. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:47:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29726; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10366 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12887 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08768 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:04:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:04:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I run Mobil 1 15W50 in everything in own year round. With synthetic the "heavy" bit doesn't matter as much as conventional (dino) oils. When synthetic is cold it flows better then its dino brother does making startups easier. Glenn > Sounds a bit heavy for a liquid-cooled bike.I think the manuals > usually call for 10w-40.I run 15w-50 in the Buell. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:57:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29781; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10503 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12982 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA04683 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:15:36 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:15:36 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:16:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Kids, be careful when you get the new bike. Luckily, I've never been going >faster than about 5 mph on my new bike dumps. George - at least you seem to do yours in private - I usually have an audience for mine :-( My personal best was on White's Ferry. I had left my SRX-6 in gear to keep it from rolling. As the ferry approached the MD shore, I flipped out the start lever, rose up on the pegs and with a firm thrust of my leg came down on the starter lever and promptly rolled the scoot forward just far enough to roll forward off the sidestand. Thump. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 08:56:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01215; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11595 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13590 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11396 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FBEIa04179; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60e87341.35c84c8c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:03 EDT To: bnorton@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Oil Change Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 It looks like I won't be able to go this weekend. =:~(. The attrition in my office is pathetic. When the Director is out, the slackers show their true colors! I cannot commit due to the unstable staffing status in my office, and don't want to leave anyone hanging. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 09:29:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02951; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12778 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14070 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16719 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id IAA04539; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:46:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:46:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Mike T cc: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, the RF-700 has been discontinued for about a year (or more) now. So any that you find are leftovers (not necessarily a bad thing). Unfortunately I much price difference between the 700 and 800 and so I bought a 800 several months ago. On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Mike T wrote: > I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get any > more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I did). > With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got > ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) > > At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: > >While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very > >hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now > >than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the > >pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. > > > >Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 > >or RF800 to replace it. Might even like one before the trip this > >weekend. Has anyone seen any "sale prices" on Shoei helmets at any > >local dealerships? Maybe a markdown or discontinued item? Probably > >just wishful thinking on my part! > > > >Thanks in advance! > >Anita > >'96 GPZ1100 > > > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows > where all the bad girls live. > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 09:32:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03129; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12801 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14106 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808051251.IAA14106@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4D415340190; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:49:24 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:28:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Eric Winslow wrote: >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This >past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running >through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a >thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. >Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Nope. And it might not have been a motorcycle owner who took it, it might have been a homeless person looking for some shelter. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 09:38:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03445; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12880 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14238 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808051257.IAA14238@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A647EEE0146; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:55:35 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:00:41 -0400 To: DC Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My personal best was on White's Ferry. I had left my SRX-6 in gear to >keep it from rolling. As the ferry approached the MD shore, I flipped >out the start lever, rose up on the pegs and with a firm thrust of my >leg came down on the starter lever and promptly rolled the scoot forward >just far enough to roll forward off the sidestand. Thump. >Michael J. And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like that when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something like then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who you are, and leave quickly. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:06:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05072; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13192 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14982 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic4.cais.com [207.226.56.4]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id JAA22315 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980805092302.0069557c@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:23:02 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Aug 8-10 trip news In-Reply-To: <19980804190733.ISTM729@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I may have posted this to Kirk only, by mistake, (sorry) I have a reservation at Ramada any one who wants to share is welcome. I've got ear plugs, be sure to bring yours :-) MikeB. 98 ZX900R "searching for a new name" At 03:01 PM 8/4/98 -0400, you wrote: > >In that case, let's hear from everyone else. Has everyone else made >arrangements? What are they? > >Sean and I originally hooked up, and John asked if we wouldn't mind >if he stayed in our room (to help with costs). Speaking for me and >Sean, I'm not going to say no. In fact, at $53/night, I'd just as >soon we ALL stayed in ONE room ;) > >But seriously, having an extra person in the room brings the individual >cost down to $35 + tax for the weekend. Not bad...... > >So, does everyone else have an arrangement? Let's get this out there. > >T > >______________________-original-_________________________________ >On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: >> It looks like we've got 14 participants, an even number. Is everyone >> splitting room costs? Craig, are you still planning on sleeping on the >> floor? >> >> Me, Sean Sullivan and John Kozyn are sharing a room. > >So long as no one gets stuck with paying for a room alone (unless they >want to) things should be fine. > >Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:30:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06384; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13971 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15860 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXQYa26053; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <781e50f4.35c86281@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:47:44 EDT To: ewinslow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: <> where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't even lock it through the grommets........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:32:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06510; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14013 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15922 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6FYSa11469; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f943d06.35c86320@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:50:23 EDT To: MINEREG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Another cover stolen Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/4/98 6:30:14 PM, MINEREG@XXXXXX wrote: << You might give the cover an odor (maybe not agreeable, but it's an idea).>> that's maybe why my cover is still around! LOL The cats living in my alley did a pretty good job of giving the cover an odor! ewwwwwwwwwwww Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:43:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07095; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14144 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16125 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id HAA17360 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:01:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:01:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Chris Norloff , DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:02:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Oh, yeah - I forgot to mention that my boss was with me on his Harley at the time. Being a good person, he brings it up from time to time so that I don't forget. Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 09:01 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike >My personal best was on White's Ferry. I had left my SRX-6 in gear to >keep it from rolling. As the ferry approached the MD shore, I flipped >out the start lever, rose up on the pegs and with a firm thrust of my >leg came down on the starter lever and promptly rolled the scoot forward >just far enough to roll forward off the sidestand. Thump. >Michael J. And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like that when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something like then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who you are, and leave quickly. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:49:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07408; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14195 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16351 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z44F3-0003vi-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:08:37 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45ED@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:07:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain How about walking down a curb, slipping & falling & slamming your helmet down (it was in my hand) on the pavement in front of a bunch of mechanics? I did that in VA Beach... - Jeannette > And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like > that > when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something > like > then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. > > Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who > you > are, and leave quickly. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 12:10:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12245; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16439 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18497 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.49 (pix001034.staff.digex.net [206.205.169.46]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23312 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:28:53 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9808051130.AA46905@172.17.2.49> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:30:46 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Technic Jacket info?? Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Has anyone on the list had any experiences with a Technic (sp?) leather jacket? I'm looking at the Chicane model (it's got little ventilation holes all throughout) and was wondering if they are a good jacket - cost is $279. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 12:26:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13152; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16988 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18892 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLHEa29489 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <318caa8b.35c87d86@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:43:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-05 10:58:55 EDT, you write: << How about walking down a curb, slipping & falling & slamming your helmet down (it was in my hand) on the pavement in front of a bunch of mechanics? I did that in VA Beach >> I got a good one too. A few weeks after I got the TL I was still getting used to its size. I stopped by Springfield Mall to see a friend and show him my new toy. When I was leaving I pulled away from the Food Court and proceeded to damn near rear end a security truck that slowed down rather abruptly. Not being used to the weight she started to go over.....bang....laying over in the middle of the street on a Saturday on my brand new machine. Jeeez..... Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 12:35:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13664; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17120 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19675 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:13 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id LAA15226 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199808051554.LAA15226@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:51:37 -0400 Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45ED@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I remember a few years ago (when I had my 454 LTD), I put the kickstand down, got off my bike, and with helmet in hand, tripped over a curb and fell face first onto the parking log, the helmet bounced about 15 feet and scraped the hell out of it. It was a brand spanking new Bell Tourstar with like 5 miles on it! (well, fives miles and an additional fifteen feet solo..*sigh*).... To add insult to injury, all my coworkers saw it on the security camera in the office...it took MONTHS before I ever heard the end of THAT! 8-P -aki > How about walking down a curb, slipping & falling & slamming your helmet > down (it was in my hand) on the pavement in front of a bunch of > mechanics? I did that in VA Beach... > > - Jeannette > > > > And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like > > that > > when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something > > like > > then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. > > > > Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who > > you > > are, and leave quickly. > > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > X-Priority: 3 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 12:51:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14545; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17707 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20119 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23136; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:09:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980805160902.EIXS11077@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:09:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: ewinslow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980805160902.EIXS11077@[166.41.242.141]> I think where you are parking Marcy, even the homeless may be afraid to trod (Just kidding). I think he said he was, and had to be, on the street. Todd --------------------------- original ------------------------------ In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: <> where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't even lock it through the grommets........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 13:07:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15502; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18452 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20675 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA22711; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:25:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-Reply-To: <199808051251.IAA14106@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Chris, That would be more plausible if he hadn't pushed a bike into the middle of the street before being interrupted by a neighbor. Nor do I think it was a homeless person who stole the side covers from my GS-650, or the battery from another bike. --garcia On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 03:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Eric Winslow wrote: > >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover > >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This > >past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running > >through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a > >thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. > >Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? > > Nope. And it might not have been a motorcycle owner who took it, it might > have been a homeless person looking for some shelter. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 13:29:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16741; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19355 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21185 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From: dc36s@XXXXXX Received: from [209.86.90.10] (user-38lcmga.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.10]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08803 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: dc36s@XXXXXX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:50:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 14:02:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18495; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19823 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22424 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z47FN-0003GZ-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:21:09 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45F5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Another cover gets stolen. Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:19:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Too true!! ; ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 12:04 PM > To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Cc: ewinslow@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. > > > I think where you are parking Marcy, even the homeless may be afraid > to trod (Just kidding). > > I think he said he was, and had to be, on the street. > > Todd > > > --------------------------- original ------------------------------ > In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't > even > lock it through the grommets........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 14:50:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22178; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20334 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24001 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808051809.OAA24001@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF6E166A0190; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:07:42 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:10:01 -0400 To: Garcia Oliver From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: <199808051251.IAA14106@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nah, the bike was probably to replace his missing shopping cart, the side covers were to make rainhats for him and a friend, and the battery was for their little TV. at least that's what the homeless do in this part of town, Chris Norloff At 12:25 PM 8/5/98 -0400, Garcia Oliver wrote: >Hi, Chris, > >That would be more plausible if he hadn't pushed a bike into the >middle of the street before being interrupted by a neighbor. Nor do I >think it was a homeless person who stole the side covers from my GS-650, >or the battery from another bike. > >--garcia > >On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >> At 03:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Eric Winslow wrote: >> >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >> >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This >> >past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running >> >through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a >> >thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. >> >Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? >> >> Nope. And it might not have been a motorcycle owner who took it, it might >> have been a homeless person looking for some shelter. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 15:58:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29659; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20933 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27400 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15574; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-Reply-To: <781e50f4.35c86281@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's been parked on 19th St and Park Rd in Mt. Pleasant. I did go 2 and a half years with no problems, but have heard of others in the area that have lost their unlocked covers. On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't even > lock it through the grommets........ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 16:37:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02005; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21582 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29432 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01692 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 3WKIa22587 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <993a4287.35c8b85a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:54:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another F2 for Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 1994, CBR600F2, White, Black & Red, De-Stickered, 20K, Original Owner, Always Garaged, Stripped for "one up" riding (have all original parts), D & D Slip on, New 207's, New Brakes, New braided rear line, Smoke EuroShield, Runs great, Looks great. $4,250 Tom T. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 16:46:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02587; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21778 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00020 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id NAA16473 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:05:24 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:05:24 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Concours owners - info wanted Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:06:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey y'all One of my co workers is looking at Concours but has heard all sorts of horror stiries about the dreaded handlebar buzz. He'd appreciate your impressions of the scooter (and its buzz). Thanks, Michael J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 16:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03104; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21989 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00567 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WHWNa27848 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2c812e5b.35c8bcbf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:12:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Technic Jacket info?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 I just purchased the same jacket a week or so ago. See my post within the past week for my opinion on it. - KO In a message dated 8/5/98 12:20:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elliottm@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Technic Jacket info?? > Date: 8/5/98 12:20:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: elliottm@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ('DC Cycles') > > Has anyone on the list had any experiences with a Technic (sp?) leather > jacket? I'm looking at the Chicane model (it's got little ventilation holes > > all throughout) and was wondering if they are a good jacket - cost is $279. > > Any info would be appreciated! > > Thanks > > Matt > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) > by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v46.20) with SMTP; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:20:38 -0400 > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) > by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id MAA24420; > Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id LAA16439 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:29:05 -0400 > (EDT) > Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id LAA18497 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) > > Received: from 172.17.2.49 (pix001034.staff.digex.net [206.205.169.46]) by > drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23312 for edu>; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:28:53 -0400 > X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-Id: <9808051130.AA46905@XXXXXX> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:30:46 -0300 > From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") > To: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: Technic Jacket info?? > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Disposition: Inline > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 16:58:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03276; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22062 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00653 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:16:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA00719; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256657.006F5BAF ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:16:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Eric Winslow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256657.006F1374.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:17:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I used to live on Irving Street (near where it meets Kenyon...1853 Irving) and am unfortunately very familiar with the vermin that prey on the good citizens' vehicles in that neck of the woods. Had my beetle broken into several times on that street...I lived in Brooklyn twice as long with only a single break-in. My advice is to use the coil cable lock over your next cover in conjunction with several very visible chains...try to chain the bike to a signpost or telephone pole thats next to the curb...you can't prevent a determined person from taking what you've got, but you can make it as difficult as possible for them to get it. Amd if they can't get it then the rats will :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. It's been parked on 19th St and Park Rd in Mt. Pleasant. I did go 2 and a half years with no problems, but have heard of others in the area that have lost their unlocked covers. On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't even > lock it through the grommets........ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 17:47:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06181; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24033 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02461 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03137; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04042; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808052105.RAA04042@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Concours owners - info wanted To: mike@XXXXXX (Jordan Michael" ) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Jordan, Michael" " at Aug 5, 98 01:06:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Hey y'all One of my co workers is looking at Concours but has heard all > sorts of horror stiries about the dreaded handlebar buzz. He'd > appreciate your impressions of the scooter (and its buzz). Most often the buzz is because the shop did not set the bike up correctly. If he goes to http://www.concours.org there are some suggestions on there for reducing any buzz. Also if he goes on the Concours E-mail list (info on the above mentioned web page) and asks, he'll get several suggestions on different ways to reduce any leftover buzz. My impression of the scooter: Very good. It was exactly what I thought it would be, and exactly what I wanted. 9 months and 15,000 miles later I have no regrets about buying it. If your friend would like to meet a group of Connie owners, there will be a picnic in Richmond next Saturday for the Concours Owners Group. I can get him in touch with the guy running it. That way he'd be able to talk to a whole bunch of owners, and get all the feedback (and arm twisting) that he'll need. :-) Feel free to pass my e-mail address along to your friend if he'd like to contact me. > Michael J Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 18:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07538; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24303 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03272 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 179; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:24:45 -0400 Message-ID: <35C8CDB6.203E007A@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:25:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Concours owners - info wanted References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > > Hey y'all One of my co workers is looking at Concours but has heard all > sorts of horror stiries about the dreaded handlebar buzz. He'd > appreciate your impressions of the scooter (and its buzz). Mike, There is a buzz with the Concours, but is is mild in comparison to my old bike, the 1978 Kawasaki 1000 LTD. Also, mirrors are solidly mounted to the fairing, not to the handlbars, so objects are clear in the rear-view at highway speeds (what a concept). Inline 4's tend to have a higher frequency buzz than say, a Slowzuki Salvage thumper, and it can get annoying, but not as bad as certain members of the Press have made it out to be. Some Connies buzz more than others, usually the culprit is a mis-adjusted counterbalancer, something I'm gonna try to play with at the 12k mile service. (Coming up soon.) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 19:12:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA08713; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26631 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05411 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-118-74.s74.tnt13.brd.erols.com [207.172.118.74]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01439 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808052230.SAA01439@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: 96 CBR 600 For Sale Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:29:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am considering selling my 96 F3 and moving up. Bike is in perfect shape. 11.5K miles. Micron full race, K&N, Dynojet, adjustable ignition advancer, AFAM chain & sprocket, shift kit, etc. All receipts. Dyno slips. Never dropped. $5800.00. Will consider offers. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 19:35:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09290; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27233 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05896 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.57]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:51:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jordan, Michael" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Concours owners - info wanted Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc0c3$9039ba60$3980e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 If people can put solid bar mounts on the BMW K series bikes and then go sport touring, I'm sure that the Connie is fine. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:11:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11583; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00338 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11885 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01417; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:25:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:20:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Eric Winslow wrote: > My > theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be > reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. A friend of mine had one cover stolen on base(Ft Myer) and two stolen from the Pentagon City mall parking lot.On his last one he had not only put his initials,but FOP(Frat Order Police) with a bogus membership #. Figured people would think he hung with cops and would leave the bike alone.Didn't work. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:16:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11705; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00494 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12002 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01447; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:31:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:28:36 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001bdbffe$54b52d00$2880e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > Kids, be careful when you get the new bike. Luckily, I've never been going > faster than about 5 mph on my new bike dumps. But it could be much worse. Don't feel bad.The day after I got my V30 Magna(picked it up Fri night, this happened next morning) I was coming home from showing it to my uncle when I hit gravel in an ess curve and flipped it.Messed up the front end and broke my left wrist in 2 places.It was 2 months before I got to ride my new bike again. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:19:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11792; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00570 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12066 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01456; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:35:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:31:53 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199808051257.IAA14238@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like that > when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something like > then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. So is the chance of the bike not starting.First time I rode my XL200 to high school,it refused to start when school let out.*Everyone* was watching.Had to pop start it down the hill. > Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who you > are, and leave quickly. Aren't tinted shields great? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:21:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11829; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00610 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12098 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01467; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:36:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:35:22 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Santa's Motorcycle(was Re: Helmet deals.) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <61bc5e7b.35c7ed24@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 98-08-05 01:21:28 EDT, (mike@XXXXXX) writes: > << The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows > where all the bad girls live. >> > I thought it was because he rode a TLR. =) Nope,he's got an Indian sidecar rig.Got the Hallmark ornament of it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:30:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11886; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00646 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12255 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01549; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:45:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:44:19 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re:G00F's 4 Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: CBR600twt@XXXXXX, rdt@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Let me guess guys,you're both hot for the new Buell X1 Lightning, right? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 01:04:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12137; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01664 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12691 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA06446; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:22:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:22:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Gil M. Nissley" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dunno, at one time I might have found this to be an incentive... On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Gil M. Nissley wrote: > A friend of mine had one cover stolen on base(Ft Myer) and two stolen > from the Pentagon City mall parking lot.On his last one he had not only > put his initials,but FOP(Frat Order Police) with a bogus membership #. > Figured people would think he hung with cops and would leave the bike > alone.Didn't work. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 Fat Boy (soon) > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 01:48:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12490; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02084 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13196 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 01:04:27 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc0f7$b03a2e60$2880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > Don't feel bad.The day after I got my V30 Magna(picked it up Fri night, > this happened next morning) I was coming home from showing it to my uncle > when I hit gravel in an ess curve and flipped it.Messed up the front end > and broke my left wrist in 2 places.It was 2 months before I got to ride > my new bike again. :-P Actually, I'm glad everyone on the list chimed in with their stories. My ego is recovering nicely. As for the bike, found out that Loctite has a special CA glue I got at PepBoys supposedly especially for plastic. Has two parts. Clear thin liquid that you brush on the parts. Didn't soften them (visibly) and seemed to evaporate very fast. Maybe just a solvent/cleaner? Then the CA comes in a tiny (VERY tiny) tube. But goes on in a gel rather than like water. Just as sticky as the other stuff, still gets all over the place, and seems to have the same strength. But, since it takes a little longer to set, you can get things in position. Worked on my lens as well as the mirror/lens housing (although part of that has already popped apart. I know I didn't use much glue in that area). So, if it stays together for a few days, that gets my endorsement. Not sure if you can find similar/cheap stuff elsewhere. This was on the rack (and my office shares a parking lot for Pep Boys, so I tend to buy a fair amount of stuff there;) If it doesn't work, I also got a two-part epoxy type concoction (but, since it's 'specially formulated for plastic' it might stick fairing plastic, etc together) Knew a guy from delphi (the online service) who lived near Annapolis. Picked up a Marauder last summer. Hadn't even made the first payment (hadn't gotten the complimentary leather jacket from Suzuki yet) and was rear-ended (deliberately) on 450. Totalled bike. He was outta work for about a week or two (I don't remember if there were any breaks, but LOTS of soft tissue damage as well as the dizziness from a severe concussion. This was a getoff at a rather high speed) Don't know if they ever caught the guy, or if he got another bike, as I haven't spoken to him since about 3 months after this happened. But, last I heard, he was gonna get another bike sometime, and avoid the western shore like the plague. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 08:47:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14866; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05227 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17696 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808061205.IAA17696@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABA2194E0190; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:03:46 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:39:55 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Concours owners - info wanted In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:06 PM 8/5/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >Hey y'all One of my co workers is looking at Concours but has heard all >sorts of horror stiries about the dreaded handlebar buzz. He'd >appreciate your impressions of the scooter (and its buzz). Some Connie's may have had unsolvable handlebar buzzing, but most don't. First and foremost is to keep the engine tuned, including the engine counter-balancer adjustment. Correct application of handlebar bar-end weights and soft grips can help. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 08:48:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14880; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05233 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17701 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808061206.IAA17701@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB9F194E0190; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:03:46 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:57:31 -0400 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike In-Reply-To: <000001bdc0f7$b03a2e60$2880e2cf@ghowell> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 AM 8/6/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >As for the bike, found out that Loctite has a special CA glue I got at >PepBoys supposedly especially for plastic. Has two parts. Clear thin liquid >that you brush on the parts. Didn't soften them (visibly) and seemed to >evaporate very fast. Maybe just a solvent/cleaner?.... Not sure if you can find > similar/cheap stuff elsewhere. The first stuff is probably primer - it cleans and prepares the surfaces. I don't know where else to get it, but I still have some left over from the ThreeBond Glue Kits. The best place I've found for CA (cyanoacrylate, "super glue") glue is hobby stores - it's used for radio-controlled models. You can buy it in different viscosities (I like thick so it stays where I put it, more or less) and different curing times (I like slow, but that's only 10-25 sec. depending on temperature). I also get accelerator in a pump-spray bottle - it's really great to put something together, spray a little accelerator on it and it's done. (If the temperature is below 70 deg. F, it can take many minutes to harden without accelerator.) Then do the same with the next piece, and it's amazing how quickly you can put those little pieces back together into one big piece. I back weak joints with fiberglass cloth, bonded with the CA glue. I have no idea what the different strengths of different types of CA glue are, though generally the longer the cure time the stronger the bond with glues that cure. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 09:06:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14987; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05314 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17898 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:25:23 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042201354@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Anyone wanna race? Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:23:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm attempting to sell my RS125 - if anyone's interested, let me know. I'm asking $4000, but will sell it for $3000 to a lister. Details upon request. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 09:49:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15318; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05680 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18521 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig2.att.att.com by kcgw2.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Thu Aug 6 07:47 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA24655 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:07:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC119.9A994100@XXXXXX>; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Chain your bike . . . Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw an article in one of the British MC rags and they were saying that if you use a chain to lock up your MC, be sure NOT to leave any slack, (or as little as possible). According to them, a thief can utilize a hydraulic jack to wedge and break the chain apart. They didn't mention anything about locking up a cover though. Maybe a Smith & Wesson . . . . .OH NO! NOT *THAT* thread again!! John Carver VFR800 GO RIDE From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 09:50:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15322; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05683 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18524 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA16665 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256658.00481E5C ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:43 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256658.00482A6A.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:09:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Santa's Motorcycle(was Re: Helmet deals.) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Guess he rotates vehicles every year because my ornament has the fat man in a VW beetle convertible ;-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Santa's Motorcycle(was Re: Helmet deals.) On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 98-08-05 01:21:28 EDT, (mike@XXXXXX) writes: > << The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows > where all the bad girls live. >> > I thought it was because he rode a TLR. =) Nope,he's got an Indian sidecar rig.Got the Hallmark ornament of it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 10:01:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15726; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06103 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18782 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNFTa20768 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35a54929.35c9ad30@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:18:39 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: subscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Just so you all know and don't bother flaming anymore ..... I told my friend to subscribe to this list using the "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" address because I don't have a clue where else to tell him to email. So sue me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 10:28:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15941; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06758 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19641 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 13:45:36 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23791 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Finally! The VFR is mein Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, satan must be wearing mittens, because I just picked up the '94 VFR 750 I've been lusting over.. all I can say is.. WOW! The difference between it and my katana is night and day. Where the Katana felt squirrely and hesitant in the corners - kinda like an anxious girlfriend on a first date, the VFR is rock solid.. doesn't twitch, doesn't complain, just holds the line as if to say "What? Thats it? hmph.." And comfort? First off, when I do 75 on the VFR, it feels like I'm doing 55 in the kat.. around 75 on the Kat, it starts getting annoying - wind buffet, and the whole chassis doesn't feel very happy. On the VFR, I didn't even know how fast I was going till I looked at the speedo! Hot damn! I really like the looks on my new baby.. she's got very clean, smooth lines.. and a 5 gallon tank! How 'bout that! Throttle response is excellent as well.. and vibration doesn't even set in till ~9000 rpm, and I figure at that RPM, any engine vibrates.. I need to get two things fixed on it before I go touring any distance.. hell.. before I even ride it again.. the whole front end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." Have to get that looked at.. the other thing would be the chain.. its got a few crappy links in it that aren't particularly happy.. I'm not worried about it breaking or anything, but I will have to replace that thing before I take it on anything over a 20 mile trip. So for right now I'm going to hold off till friday, get the various parts I need, and hopefully be riding saturday/ sunday and good to go! And one final thing - brake response! Excellent! Simply tug on the brake lever with two fingers, and it BITES really hard.. very good response and feel off the lever.. P.S. Everything I read and heard about this bike was true! It really is an awesome piece of machinery. My hat goes off to Mr. Honda for hiring some good engineers. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 10:28:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15947; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06770 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19666 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WSMHa04179 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4dc96e38.35c9b386@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/6/98 9:15:48 AM, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX wrote: << but will sell it for $3000 to a lister.>> If ONLY I had $3000! I just watched this "Crusty Demons of Dirt" video last night (dirtbikers travel the world and tear tracks into formerly beautiful desert/swamp/hills ......) ;D Those boys are NUTS. Looks like fun! Jumping and flipping and diving into large bodies of water (WITH their vehicles) ......... Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 10:56:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16197; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07616 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20918 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:15:28 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:14:39 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Heyser Cycle Sale -Reply I bought a Vulcan 800 at this sale. It's a great bike. They threw in no accessories. A friend later told me never buy a new bike without making them throw in a few free accessories. Any comments on this? By the time I finished buying accessories and the extended maintenance plan I had racked up about another $1,200. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:03:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16251; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08057 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21108 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:22:26 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042201357@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: subscribe Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:20:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, my Lawyer's going to be calling you as soon as you give me the phone number.. Seriously though, all requests (to get on or off the list) need to go to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX - aka, Harry.. When you subscribe, he sends you a message from that address with some information (as does every e-mail listserv) which is quite valuable, and worth saving. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subscribe Just so you all know and don't bother flaming anymore ..... I told my friend to subscribe to this list using the "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" address because I don't have a clue where else to tell him to email. So sue me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:04:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16255; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08104 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21129 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:20:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:20:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc145$4c5b54c0$2280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I thought about going to the hobby store in Waldorf for the CA glue. Except for one thing. They are even less helpful than ACP. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:06:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16299; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08162 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21163 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:21:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: subscribe Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:21:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc145$85848280$2280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35a54929.35c9ad30@aol.com> Importance: Normal Consider the suit filed:) BTW, whenever I tell anyone about the list, I just give 'em the url: www.dc-cycles.org It's not like a few years ago when nobody had web access (and while I haven't tried it, I bet those pages even look okay in Lynx:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:15:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16381; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08437 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21450 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01986; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:33:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980806143324.QDXL876@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:33:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980806143324.QDXL876@[166.41.242.141]> So, then that would mean you may not have a clue as to how to Unsubscribe? Wow Marcy, this is almost a serious post you have here. Where's the normal :D I'm so used too... ;) Todd From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35a54929.35c9ad30@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:18:39 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subscribe Just so you all know and don't bother flaming anymore ..... I told my friend to subscribe to this list using the "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" address because I don't have a clue where else to tell him to email. So sue me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:33:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16704; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08665 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21886 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ixf2.securewebs.com ([208.213.173.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20677 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ChrisH@XXXXXX Received: from titan ([199.174.134.167]) by ixf2.securewebs.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41701U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA243 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:55:24 +0100 Reply-To: Sender: "Christopher D. Hornbecker" To: Subject: 96 VFR FOR SALE Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:55:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc149$3584a220$1400000a@titan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have a 1996 VFR750 for sale. 5K mi. always garaged adult owned magknight tank bra not a scratch on it!!!!!!! I have recently reduced the acking price to $6700 to make a quick sale......I don't have time to ride (I've put only 50 mi. this year :-( ) Please visit http://www.powerlinkusa.com/vfr4sale for pictures and more information. If you don't like the price of the accessories I have listed....email me an offer at ChrisH@XXXXXX. Chris Hornbecker ChrisH@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:34:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16753; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08677 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (known smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21902 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3 (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAB25998; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:39:40 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3 (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23250; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:44:00 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100021138466; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:54:17 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: Re: subscribe Message-ID: <5040100021138466000002L062*@MHS> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:54:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I can't resist, OK Sue! Actually I like Marcy better but if you insist........................ Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 08-06-98 10:22 AM --------------------------- JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 08-06-98 10:11:22 AM Please respond to JinnSinn@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: subscribe >>So sue me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:44:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16836; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09232 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22158 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA25694 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:02:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808061502.KAA25694@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ip148.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.47.148) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025537; Thu Aug 6 10:01:32 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:01:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: joke no m/c content Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199808061205.IAA17696@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sitting on the side of the highway waiting to catch speeding drivers, a State Police Officer sees a car puttering along at 22 MPH. He thinks to himself, "This driver is just as dangerous as a speeder!" So he turns on his lights and pulls the driver over. Approaching the car, he notices that there are five old ladies-two in the front seat and three in the back-wide eyed and white as ghosts. The driver, obviously confused, says to him, "Officer, I don't understand, I was doing exactly the speed limit! What seems to be the problem?" "Ma'am," the officer replies, "you weren't speeding, but you should know that driving slower than the speed limit can also be a danger to other drivers." "Slower than the speed limit? No sir, I was doing the speed limit exactly...Twenty- two miles an hour!" the old woman says a bit proudly. The State Police officer, trying to contain a chuckle explains to her that "22" was the route number, not the speed limit. A bit embarrassed, the woman grinned and thanked the officer for pointing out her error. "But before I let you go, Ma'am, I have to ask... Is everyone in this car OK? These women seem awfully shaken and they haven't muttered a single peep this whole time," the officer asks. "Oh, they'll be all right in a minute officer. We just got off Route 119." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16856; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09391 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22202 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z4RaD-0004f2-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:02 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4603@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Finally! The VFR is mein Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know what you mean. When I went from my VF 500 to my VFR 700, the difference was amazing!! Congrats! - Jeannette > Well, satan must be wearing mittens, because I just picked up the > '94 VFR 750 I've been lusting over.. all I can say is.. WOW! The > difference between it and my katana is night and day. > > Where the Katana felt squirrely and hesitant in the corners - > kinda like an anxious girlfriend on a first date, the VFR is > rock solid.. doesn't twitch, doesn't complain, just holds > the line as if to say "What? Thats it? hmph.." And comfort? > First off, when I do 75 on the VFR, it feels like I'm doing > 55 in the kat.. around 75 on the Kat, it starts getting annoying > - wind buffet, and the whole chassis doesn't feel very happy. > On the VFR, I didn't even know how fast I was going till I looked > at the speedo! Hot damn! > > I really like the looks on my new baby.. she's got very clean, > smooth lines.. and a 5 gallon tank! How 'bout that! Throttle > response is excellent as well.. and vibration doesn't even set > in till ~9000 rpm, and I figure at that RPM, any engine vibrates.. > > I need to get two things fixed on it before I go touring any > distance.. hell.. before I even ride it again.. the whole front > end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted > about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." > Have to get that looked at.. the other thing would be the chain.. > its got a few crappy links in it that aren't particularly happy.. > I'm not worried about it breaking or anything, but I will have > to replace that thing before I take it on anything over a 20 > mile trip. So for right now I'm going to hold off till friday, > get the various parts I need, and hopefully be riding saturday/ > sunday and good to go! > > And one final thing - brake response! Excellent! Simply > tug on the brake lever with two fingers, and it BITES > really hard.. very good response and feel off the lever.. > > P.S. > Everything I read and heard about this bike was true! It > really is an awesome piece of machinery. My hat goes off to Mr. > Honda for hiring some good engineers. > > Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 12:25:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17408; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11412 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23199 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLAa013456 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TLR problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Yeah, I think my tlr has already fouled the plugs in it. I took it to the oceanon monday, then on tuesday, it wouldnt start, nor wednesday. I cant figure out what it is. Anyway, does anyone have Suzuki's number that I can call and bitch at them. I tried calling a couple service places, one cant get to it til next week, and one will try to get to it. but I still have to cover towing. sucks to be me. Sean G. Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 13:11:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17984; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12326 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26573 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24804 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:28:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'mjb@XXXXXX'" , ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Mobil 1 prices... was Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:28:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Well, Target must have been having a sale when it was $3.33. I went by the one just south of Crystal City at lunch and its $3.99 for any flavor. I guess Price Club is still the cheapest place. Glenn > Dunno about the correct weight, but surprisingly Target has had really > good prices on Mobil 1- last time I checked, it was 3.33/qt in single > bottles (or about $20/case) compared to Trak Auto- which was $4.00/qt > and the previous winner- Price Club which is now at ~$22 a case, or > $3.67/qt. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 13:14:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18019; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12362 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26710 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 333 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:32:25 -0400 Message-ID: <35C9DAB3.C8A3B904@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:32:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subscribe References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042201357@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Ok, my Lawyer's going to be calling you as soon as you give me the phone > number.. > Uhh, Brian, maybe I'm old-fashioned here, but I don't think you'll have much luck getting chick's phone numbers that way.... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 14:22:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19935; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13857 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28976 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA01331; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: George Howell cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike In-Reply-To: <000001bdc145$4c5b54c0$2280e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > I thought about going to the hobby store in Waldorf for the CA glue. Except > for one thing. They are even less helpful than ACP. I'm willing to bet that would be Doug's you're speaking of. There used to be a decent hobby shop in Wildwood Center (Flying Circus I think it was called), but it closed several years ago - maybe even before I left the wonders of St. Mary's six years ago... Don't know where else you'd look locally - I turned to mail order myself (NOT to start that thread again!) Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 14:23:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19942; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13871 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29000 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27930 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19102 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:45:16 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036554@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Finally! The VFR is mein Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:45:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > the whole front > end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted > about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." > > That doesn't sound good. Are the fork tubes twisted or bent? What did the owner say about it? How did it happen? Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 14:42:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20447; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14081 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00894 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA22458 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980806180023.SGWA729@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:00:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: From MC ONLINE X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980806180023.SGWA729@[166.41.242.141]> >From the "Daily News" section of Motorcycle Online...I got a chuckle.. --------------- "Even though the Art of the Motorcycle exhibit is the most popular exhibit ever at the Guggenheim Museum, drawing more people than the celebrated Rauschenberg and Matisse retrospectives, some critics have rejected the exhibition as vulgar and lowbrow. The New Republic's Jed Perl calls it a "pop nostalgia orgy masquerading as a major artistic statement." Since when did we start taking seriously anybody named Jed? By the way, we haven't seen the Guggenheim show yet. Unfortunately we've been spending most of our free time at the Black Velvet Elvis and Lava Lamp retrospective in beautiful, downtown Barstow. While we're at it, isn't it about time that the effete, cultural snobs in New York City wake up and recognize Five Dogs Playing Poker as a masterpiece. Now that's art, baby!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 14:56:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21001; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14587 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01570 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGCHa02268 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <196e86a1.35c9f262@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:13:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: glueing plastic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Hey all!! I just got my Shadow back from the dealer and notcied that the left side battery cover panel is cracked. They won't take responsibility for it because the bike was towed there. It's minor, so I'm not gonna push it. I had noticed a thread on glues, but didn't give it any thought til now (I JUST got the bike back!). I was thinking of putting a piece of material behind the crack and glueing it. Any tips or recommendations? It's not worth getting another panel and having it painted and all. I was just gonna use some touch up paint over the crack once it's glued. Well, I've rambled on enough. Thanks in advance for any help!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 16:55:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23967; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15828 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08211 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id QRIIa11468; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:12:09 EDT To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TLR problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 <> Im in Arnold, md, right outside annapolis. if someone is volunteering to help move it to the dealer for me, I would greatly appreciate it. The next time I could do it is gonna be next tuesday. I need it transported to Cycle World in Brooklyn Park near baltimore on Ritchie Hwy. They are great at getting things in and out in one day. As far as replacing the plugs, I dont know If I want to delve in the belly of the beast. its a little more intimidating than my old nighthawk. plus I dont have a manual to tell me how to do it correctly. If anyone wants to help me, again, Id be more than happy to let you. I need this fixed by the 28th, as on the 29th, Im going to the pocono races. Anyone else up for it? Sean 98 TLR<--(currently in suspended animation) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 17:29:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24461; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16291 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 315 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: <35CA167F.5AF48DC3@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 16:47:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: glueing plastic References: <196e86a1.35c9f262@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey all!! I just got my Shadow back from the dealer and notcied that the left > side battery cover panel is cracked. They won't take responsibility for it > because the bike was towed there. In other words, they broke it, and are blaming somebody else, anybody else. So tow-trucks normally tug the bike along by the sidecovers nowadays, hmm? I think your dealer is full of it. But then again, I wouldn't trust most dealers to air up my tires. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 18:02:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24720; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17158 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10773 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA27992 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: TLR problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Have you tried replacing the plugs?>> > > As far as replacing the plugs, I dont know If I want to delve in the belly of > the beast. its a little more intimidating than my old nighthawk. plus I dont > have a manual to tell me how to do it correctly How many plugs does that thing have? Curiousity and all... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:15:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29127; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22352 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20304 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXA0081BV4VKU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:31:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:29:25 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <009a01bdc1cc$b996d140$d54337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >If ONLY I had $3000! I just watched this "Crusty Demons of Dirt" video last >night (dirtbikers travel the world and tear tracks into formerly beautiful >desert/swamp/hills ......) ;D Those boys are NUTS. Looks like fun! Jumping and >flipping and diving into large bodies of water (WITH their vehicles) ......... > >Marcy Marcy, This is a street bike! A 125cc two stroke street bike............. Jon -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? > >In a message dated 8/6/98 9:15:48 AM, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX wrote: > ><< but will sell it for $3000 to a lister.>> > >If ONLY I had $3000! I just watched this "Crusty Demons of Dirt" video last >night (dirtbikers travel the world and tear tracks into formerly beautiful >desert/swamp/hills ......) ;D Those boys are NUTS. Looks like fun! Jumping and >flipping and diving into large bodies of water (WITH their vehicles) ......... > >Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:15:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29157; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22359 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20342 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXA009IPV8N70@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:34:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:31:40 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Finally! The VFR is mein To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00a101bdc1cd$0a853380$d54337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Alex, I guess you just found out the hard way that the Katana is junk....... now you know...... 8^) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:56 AM Subject: Finally! The VFR is mein > >Well, satan must be wearing mittens, because I just picked up the >'94 VFR 750 I've been lusting over.. all I can say is.. WOW! The >difference between it and my katana is night and day. > >Where the Katana felt squirrely and hesitant in the corners - >kinda like an anxious girlfriend on a first date, the VFR is >rock solid.. doesn't twitch, doesn't complain, just holds >the line as if to say "What? Thats it? hmph.." And comfort? >First off, when I do 75 on the VFR, it feels like I'm doing >55 in the kat.. around 75 on the Kat, it starts getting annoying >- wind buffet, and the whole chassis doesn't feel very happy. >On the VFR, I didn't even know how fast I was going till I looked >at the speedo! Hot damn! > >I really like the looks on my new baby.. she's got very clean, >smooth lines.. and a 5 gallon tank! How 'bout that! Throttle >response is excellent as well.. and vibration doesn't even set >in till ~9000 rpm, and I figure at that RPM, any engine vibrates.. > >I need to get two things fixed on it before I go touring any >distance.. hell.. before I even ride it again.. the whole front >end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted >about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." >Have to get that looked at.. the other thing would be the chain.. >its got a few crappy links in it that aren't particularly happy.. >I'm not worried about it breaking or anything, but I will have >to replace that thing before I take it on anything over a 20 >mile trip. So for right now I'm going to hold off till friday, >get the various parts I need, and hopefully be riding saturday/ >sunday and good to go! > >And one final thing - brake response! Excellent! Simply >tug on the brake lever with two fingers, and it BITES >really hard.. very good response and feel off the lever.. > >P.S. >Everything I read and heard about this bike was true! It >really is an awesome piece of machinery. My hat goes off to Mr. >Honda for hiring some good engineers. > >Alex. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:20:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29319; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22371 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20427 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EXA00ESDVGXY6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:38:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:36:38 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: TLR problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00a601bdc1cd$bbdcad20$d54337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Is it me or does it seem like all the TL's are having a few problems. Hmmmmm.......... This is not a slam on TL's or their owners, I love TL's, but it's making me wonder about Suzuki. Jon S. -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:48 AM Subject: TLR problems >Yeah, I think my tlr has already fouled the plugs in it. I took it to the >oceanon monday, then on tuesday, it wouldnt start, nor wednesday. I cant >figure out what it is. Anyway, does anyone have Suzuki's number that I can >call and bitch at them. I tried calling a couple service places, one cant get >to it til next week, and one will try to get to it. but I still have to cover >towing. sucks to be me. > > >Sean G. Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:23:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29341; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22390 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20473 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXA007B2VMC30@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:42:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:39:54 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: TLR problems To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00a901bdc1ce$30c543e0$d54337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sean, Give me a call, I'll help you out. If I can't fix it, I can put it in my truck and take it to Cycle World. 410-799-5888 You need it fixed before we go to Pocono! Stupid question - do you have gas in the tank? Just curious. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:48 AM Subject: TLR problems >Yeah, I think my tlr has already fouled the plugs in it. I took it to the >oceanon monday, then on tuesday, it wouldnt start, nor wednesday. I cant >figure out what it is. Anyway, does anyone have Suzuki's number that I can >call and bitch at them. I tried calling a couple service places, one cant get >to it til next week, and one will try to get to it. but I still have to cover >towing. sucks to be me. > > >Sean G. Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:41:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29446; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22437 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20704 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:59:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUVVa17154; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:56:00 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:56:00 EDT To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: subscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-08-06 10:33:30 EDT, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: << So, then that would mean you may not have a clue as to how to Unsubscribe? Wow Marcy, this is almost a serious post you have here. Where's the normal :D I'm so used too... ;) >> that would be correct! ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:44:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29453; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22948 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20779 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id PDVOa04141; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a0cbf5d.35ca7c49@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:02:16 EDT To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The VFR is mein REPLY/off topic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-08-06 10:38:04 EDT, alexm@XXXXXX writes: << Where the Katana felt squirrely and hesitant in the corners - kinda like an anxious girlfriend on a first date, >> hmmmm ..... if she's a girlfriend how can it be a first date? :P and 2) if it's a first date and the girl is hesitant and squirrelly, WHAT exactly are ya tryin' to do to her? heh heh Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 01:07:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29576; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23527 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21448 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:23:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Brian E. Ewell" Cc: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdc1bb$1f9d75a0$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Yes, that would be Doug's, and yes, Flying Circus was a fantastic place. I used to go there about twice a month. They were willing to order some fantastic models from Japan (still have a Datsun Roadster to put together) that they wouldn't order at Dougs. I would have shed a tear the last time I went there, but was able to get 50% on models that day. Managed to pick up about two or three dozen (most still unbuilt). I bought what I could while they were in business, and I hope that my reducing their stock helped a little more. BTW, one of the biggest problems with the Wildewood Shopping Centre was (is?) that it had the highest rent of almost any strip center in So. Md. Poor financing by the owners. They eventually sold out a few years ago. Don't know if the squeeze lessened. And as far as mail order goes, if'n it's a choice between Doug's and mail order, I'm going mail order every single time. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 01:07:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29581; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23533 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21456 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:23:54 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: From MC ONLINE Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bdc1bb$23c4ff40$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19980806180023.SGWA729@[166.41.242.141]> Importance: Normal BTW, isn't all art pop art? IMNSHO, anyway. Nothing else means much except to a very small bunch of people. The beauty in everyday objects seems to be lost. I bet these same people don't think much of Frank Lloyd Wright, either... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 01:07:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29586; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23536 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21459 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:23:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: TLR problems Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:23:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdc1bb$28cfe400$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Is there really all that much to changing the plugs? Isn't the front one easy? Oh, wait, I see you have the TLR.... Never mind:) Where on Richie Highway is this place? Any decent amount of accessories in stock? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 08:28:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02277; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27997 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26779 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14206 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:45:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: TLR problems Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:45:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sean, I can help you transport it to the dealer but the earliest I can be available is Tuesday the 11th. Glenn > Im in Arnold, md, right outside annapolis. if someone is volunteering to > help > move it to the dealer for me, I would greatly appreciate it. The next > time I > could do it is gonna be next tuesday. I need it transported to Cycle World > in > Brooklyn Park near baltimore on Ritchie Hwy. They are great at getting > things > in and out in one day. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 08:49:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02509; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28162 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27039 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808071207.IAA27039@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADD87280140; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:06:48 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 07:58:07 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: subscribe In-Reply-To: <35a54929.35c9ad30@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:18 AM 8/6/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Just so you all know and don't bother flaming anymore ..... I told my friend >to subscribe to this list using the "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" address because I >don't have a clue where else to tell him to email. So sue me. > >Marcy Here's a handy copy to be saved- DC-CYCLES: DESCRIPTION: D.C. Area bikers list - various topics DIGEST AVAILABLE? No ADMIN ADDRESS: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX TO SUBSCRIBE: Processed by a human - INCLUDE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS! LIST OWNER: harry@XXXXXX WWW URL: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 08:50:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02514; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28161 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27040 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808071207.IAA27040@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADD57280140; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:06:48 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:00:04 -0400 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike In-Reply-To: <000001bdc145$4c5b54c0$2280e2cf@ghowell> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 AM 8/6/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >I thought about going to the hobby store in Waldorf for the CA glue. Except >for one thing. They are even less helpful than ACP. You mean "Slug's" Hobbies? Well, just look behind the counter for CA glue labeled "thick & slow". The accelerator should be right next to it. With any luck, you won't have to disturb them very often! "Excuse me sir, may I be allowed to give you money for the merchandise you're selling?" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 08:50:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02519; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28163 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27044 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808071207.IAA27044@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADDA7280140; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:06:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:10:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: glueing plastic In-Reply-To: <196e86a1.35c9f262@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:13 PM 8/6/98 -0400, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey all!! I just got my Shadow back from the dealer and notcied that the left >side battery cover panel is cracked. They won't take responsibility for it >because the bike was towed there. It's minor, so I'm not gonna push it. I had >noticed a thread on glues, but didn't give it any thought til now (I JUST got >the bike back!). I was thinking of putting a piece of material behind the >crack and glueing it. Any tips or recommendations? I recommend getting the ThreeBond Glue Kit, about $30. Has everything you need (except paint, of course) to make fine repairs. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 10:44:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03743; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01680 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw2.att.com [192.128.52.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29794 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caig2.att.att.com by cagw2.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Aug 7 09:58 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA14075 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC1EA.6B224D00@XXXXXX>; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Maps & Such Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:01:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to ask everyone/someone what maps they use when planning ride routes etc. (Other than electronic) ADC maps? I'm on a ride and inevitably someone always whips out a map & I think to myself, "Gee, are these rural roads really all listed on their maps?" Generally, I am too lazy to read a map because after working for the cable company 2 years ago, I am still "map shy". I think I'm going to have to start because you're not always riding with somebody else. Thanks. John Carver VFR800 GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 10:44:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03756; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01690 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw2.att.com [192.128.52.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29798 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caig2.att.att.com by cagw2.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Aug 7 09:58 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA14091 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC1EA.6E1D3D80@XXXXXX>; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Plugs & Such Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy! Would someone also recommend a good emergency tire repair kit. Are the kinds you find at Trak for radial tires adequate enough? I also read on the VFR list that it takes 5 CO2 cartridges to fill a MC tire. I can't think of a more portable way to go though. Thanks. John Carver VFR800 GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 11:21:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04399; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03960 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00830 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 195; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35CB11B3.29C07631@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:39:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: glueing plastic References: <199808071207.IAA27044@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > I recommend getting the ThreeBond Glue Kit, about $30. Has everything you > need (except paint, of course) to make fine repairs. > So where can you buy any "ThreeBond" product on this planet anyway? I've been looking for a while for some "ThreeBond No.1216 Sealer" recommended by my Clymer's manual, and supposedly found through Suzuki dealers. I've been to two different dealers, and gotten funny looks both times. Of course, I'm getting used to funny looks, I shop at Radio Shack. :-) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 11:40:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04578; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04947 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01470 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Back in the saddle again! Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:04:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Picked up my bike this morning... new footpeg, shifter, and clutch lever installed and in fine working condition. Just rode it a few miles back home, and everything felt okay. Did feel a little strange riding, partly because of my crash, and partly because I haven't ridden all week! :-) There was a red GPZ parked outside when I got there... joked with John (service guy) that I didn't know he was going to paint mine red! Very nice looking, but I think I like the black better. Anyhow, the owner wants to switch to aftermarket pipes, so John is going to ask him if he wants to sell his stock ones. That would work out well... the pipes (and the whole bike) looked spotless. It had about 6K miles on it, and had been garaged. So, I'd save $300 or so... and maybe wind up with $$ in my pocket, or at least have my deductible covered. Anyhow, thanks for all the advice and support this week... it really was a great help to me. Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 12:39:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05590; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06347 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA04303 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980807155526.DPXJ13385@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:55:26 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: glueing plastic Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdc21b$ca1dd460$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <35CB11B3.29C07631@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The dreaded Coleman has (or had) the whole kit. yes, yes I know. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. Dale Horstman asked: Chris Norloff wrote: > I recommend getting the ThreeBond Glue Kit, about $30. Has everything you > need (except paint, of course) to make fine repairs. > So where can you buy any "ThreeBond" product on this planet anyway? I've been looking for a while for some "ThreeBond No.1216 Sealer" recommended by my Clymer's manual, and supposedly found through Suzuki dealers. I've been to two different dealers, and gotten funny looks both times. Of course, I'm getting used to funny looks, I shop at Radio Shack. :-) Dale From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 12:50:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05893; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06579 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04173 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA28042; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:07:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980807160735.WIHN729@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:07:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Priority: High To: dc-cycles CC: linda tanner , sbeck@XXXXXX, rdt@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Subject: POCONO RACES --- Please Read X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980807160735.WIHN729@[166.41.242.141]> This is the ONLY other message I'm putting out on this. I cc'd some because you showed some interest the last time I brought it up. The tickets for the weekend are $35+$4 for handling. They are $45 at the gate ($6 more). The price includes paddock pass, camping and a loop around the trak on your bike. Food and beer are YOUR problem. We have until Aug. 24 to get the discounted price. Call 1.800.939.9372 to order. Now, the plan. Linda T. is going up Friday afternoon/evening and leaving Sunday afternoon/evening. We figured that with good traffic conditions, it is about 4.5 hours one way. I'll probably ride up with her. I'd be willing to leave Monday, but I don't want to burn Friday for vacation. Therefore, I'd leave with Linda, but may return either Sunday Evening or Monday (depending on who goes/wants to do what). Last call people. I'm not really trying to organize a ride here. I was just posting so that we could hook up there and depending on plans ride together. Todd W-703.341.4470 Steve Beck Wrote: >I've been giving some thought to attending this event again and also would >prefer to head up on Friday. Any chance you could stay one extra day and >come back on Monday? The races continue through late Sunday, so I have >always stayed Sunday night and headed home on Monday. > >Steve Roy Turner Wrote: >I may be interested. My original plan was to take my Camaro in order that >my fiancee could come along. I was planning to drive up on Saturday, find >a hotel, and return Sunday evening. > >However, my buddy Kevin wants to ride his VFR 750 up. If I can convince my >fiancee to let me go alone I may be interested in riding my bike. > >Roy D. Turner, Esq. Jon S. wrote >I'm pretty sure that I will be going again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 13:03:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06090; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06730 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04613 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA10998 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:22:47 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:22:47 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Maps & Such Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:21:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Street Atlas 5.0 is the best - but you need a laptop on your scooter do do any good) For the paper variety: ADC makes VERY nice maps - unfortunately you need hard luggage to carry enough of them to cover a good ride (one book per county) DeLorme's Atlas and Gazzetteers are very good - topo data and most roads - less bulky at one state per book (but not all states covered) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 13:05:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06134; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06734 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04621 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA11076 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:23:00 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:23:00 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Tire Plugs & Such Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:17:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Howdy! Would someone also recommend a good emergency tire repair kit. BMW makes a nice kit - Art at Rider's and Coleman sell M/C kits too. >Are the kinds you find at Trak for radial tires adequate enough?\ Personally, I wouldn't trust a car repair kit on a bike - soke are OK, but others aren't. >I also read on the VFR list that it takes 5 CO2 cartridges to fill a MC tire. A can of fix-a-flat will inflate you enough to get to a place to repair/replace the tire - but they do tend to be messy when the tire is removed from the rim. If you use this stuff, be sure and tell the guy who changes the tire that it's full of crap - nowhere near as bad when you're expecting it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 14:36:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07605; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08098 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07121 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIMFa04160 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2ee3d82e.35cb3eec@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:52:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 No offense to the owner of the bike but I saw that machine.........is it really worth that much? $3000 sounds a little steep for a bike that looks like a moped. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 15:14:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08111; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08462 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08270 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLRBa26052 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3acc3458.35cb481a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:31:50 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TLR problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-07 01:17:11 EDT, you write: << Is there really all that much to changing the plugs? Isn't the front one easy? Oh, wait, I see you have the TLR.... Never mind:) >> The front plug is a BITCH!!! And this is coming from a TLs owner who doesnt have to mess with body work. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 15:45:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08723; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08835 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09152 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA04165; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: <35CB4F56.2CC56247@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:02:46 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? References: <2ee3d82e.35cb3eec@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack wrote: > > No offense to the owner of the bike but I saw that machine.........is it > really worth that much? $3000 sounds a little steep for a bike that looks > like a moped. If I didn't need a street bike, I'd get it. That 125 is a beautiful machine - maybe in a couple more years. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 17:58:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10488; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11706 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13554 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808072116.RAA13554@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AE5A33C014A; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:15:06 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:43:52 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Maps & Such In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:21 AM 8/7/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >ADC makes VERY nice maps - unfortunately you need hard luggage to carry >enough of them to cover a good ride (one book per county) ADC's 50-mile radius map of DC is pretty good. It takes a lot of folding to get it into a tank bag pocket, though. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 17:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10498; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11704 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13552 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808072116.RAA13552@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AE5733C014A; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:15:03 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:41:46 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: glueing plastic Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35CB11B3.29C07631@tidalwave.net> References: <199808071207.IAA27044@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:39 AM 8/7/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> I recommend getting the ThreeBond Glue Kit, about $30. Has everything you >> need (except paint, of course) to make fine repairs. >> > >So where can you buy any "ThreeBond" product on this planet anyway? I've bought it mail order (AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!) and at Coleman's Falls Church (AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 18:19:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10614; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12360 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14085 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGHNa07259 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2ee4ab0a.35cb7374@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:36:50 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-07 15:03:16 EDT, you write: << If I didn't need a street bike, I'd get it. That 125 is a beautiful machine - maybe in a couple more years. >> No wonder, this is coming from a guy with Ninja 250 in his .sig. LOL j/k Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 18:55:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11063; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13437 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14787 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA20729; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:12:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-10.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.74) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020578; Fri Aug 7 17:11:23 1998 Message-ID: <35CB611F.36D6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:18:39 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody heading to Frederick HD/Buell's Open house? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, one day and a new rear tire later, Anybody going up to Frederick HD/Buells Open house tomorrow? -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 19:52:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11457; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13822 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16211 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14596 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-3.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.44]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA07479; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:10:57 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001bdc258$8dad5720$2c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:55:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This might be tardy, but -- The Motorcycle Shop (College Park 301 474 2228) quoted me $249 for a Shoei 800 (no specific color) a few days ago. Bill Swanson / DC EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 19:52:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11467; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13819 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16204 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-3.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.44]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA07483; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:10:59 -0400 Message-ID: <00c101bdc258$8efd08a0$2c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Anita Lauro" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Back in the saddle again! Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:09:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nice. Sounds like an applaudable turnaround from service and firm decisions on your part. Bill S. -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro >Picked up my bike this morning... new footpeg, shifter, and clutch lever >installed and in fine working condition. Just rode it a few miles back >home, and everything felt okay. Did feel a little strange riding, >partly because of my crash, and partly because I haven't ridden all >week! :-) > . . .. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 20:11:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11568; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13939 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16692 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr17-dialup4.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXC00ELNEJ323@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:25:55 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: POCONO RACES --- Please Read To: dc-cycles , Sean Petr , Scott , ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX Message-id: <00b501bdc273$e0bdbac0$994837a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 This is the situation on Pocono as of now. The definites who I know of and that I have talked to are: Sean P. Scott R. Urselina V. We have talked and agreed that we are leaving Sat. morning/afternoon and coming back Sun. afternoon/evening. Anyone else that wants to join our departure times is certainly welcome. Looks like Linda and Todd are staying 3 days. Either Fri. - Sun. or Sat. - Mon. ? We haven't found a place to stay yet(anyone have any ideas?) nor have we figured out a meeting place. It would be nice if we all could find a place together. Cut the costs so we can spend more on goodies(beer?) Well, I don't know a "back way" up there, so if no one has a suggestion, then we're gonna have to slab it up. That way we don't get lost. On the topic of meeting places, how about if everyone met at my place? I probably live the farthest north and it's really easy to find. About 20 min. south of Baltimore, right off 95 north and Rt. 175. If anyone else has ideas/updates, let me know. Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Cc: linda tanner ; sbeck@XXXXXX ; rdt@XXXXXX ; dawn.jon@XXXXXX Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 9:08 AM Subject: POCONO RACES --- Please Read > >This is the ONLY other message I'm putting out on this. I cc'd some >because you showed some interest the last time I brought it up. > >The tickets for the weekend are $35+$4 for handling. They are $45 >at the gate ($6 more). The price includes paddock pass, camping and >a loop around the trak on your bike. Food and beer are YOUR problem. >We have until Aug. 24 to get the discounted price. > > Call 1.800.939.9372 to order. > >Now, the plan. Linda T. is going up Friday afternoon/evening and leaving >Sunday afternoon/evening. We figured that with good traffic conditions, >it is about 4.5 hours one way. I'll probably ride up with her. > >I'd be willing to leave Monday, but I don't want to burn Friday for >vacation. Therefore, I'd leave with Linda, but may return either Sunday >Evening or Monday (depending on who goes/wants to do what). > >Last call people. I'm not really trying to organize a ride here. >I was just posting so that we could hook up there and depending on >plans ride together. > >Todd >W-703.341.4470 > > > >Steve Beck Wrote: >>I've been giving some thought to attending this event again and also would >>prefer to head up on Friday. Any chance you could stay one extra day and >>come back on Monday? The races continue through late Sunday, so I have >>always stayed Sunday night and headed home on Monday. >> >>Steve > >Roy Turner Wrote: >>I may be interested. My original plan was to take my Camaro in order that >>my fiancee could come along. I was planning to drive up on Saturday, find >>a hotel, and return Sunday evening. >> >>However, my buddy Kevin wants to ride his VFR 750 up. If I can convince my >>fiancee to let me go alone I may be interested in riding my bike. >> >>Roy D. Turner, Esq. > >Jon S. wrote >>I'm pretty sure that I will be going again. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 00:56:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13429; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17512 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20483 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGRQa04229 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9a1a805f.35cbd063@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:13:22 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Aaaagh, it's back!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Damn, and just when I thought it was gone for good. My Nighthawk is back!! My friend's parents wouldn't let him have the bike unless he moved out. He can't afford to move out and buy the bike, so I have the bike back! Bummer. So anyone that said they might be interested, well, it's still for sale! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "lost puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 01:52:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13761; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18066 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21134 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAECa11469; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35aa13ae.35cbdd8b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:09:30 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Aaaagh, it's back!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Hey, what did I tell you.. you cant get rid of that nighthawk. its a curse. The number to the place that buys em is 1-800-347-5334. They were gonna come look at mine last saturday, but I had to be to work at the time they were coming, so Ive still got mine. give em a call, they might hook you up. Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 01:57:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13771; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18081 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21192 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:15:16 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZGPa12042 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78265463.35cbdec5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:14:44 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Kiernan Racing supplies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Does anyone have their number? I did but lost it. I sent them a check for a tire over a week ago, they said it would take 4days at most. Im getting a little pissed. Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 06:56:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15005; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19260 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23860 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.64] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA01998; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 06:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001401bdc2b4$c20bd8a0$4073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Kiernan Racing supplies Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:10:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ >Does anyone have their number? I did but lost it. I sent them a check for a >tire over a week ago, they said it would take 4days at most. Im getting a >little pissed. > >Sean... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 10:38:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16462; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20090 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25117 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05496; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Ken cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anybody heading to Frederick HD/Buell's Open house? In-Reply-To: <35CB611F.36D6@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is this the HD dealer on 355 just south of Fredric? I may zip up there... as I am only 10 minutes away. Those harley guys get all bent out of shape when I take my 600f3 into their parking lot. Guess they are afraid my bike might catch the infamouse HD mechanical problems. It is nice of them to worry about me like that. :) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 11:35:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16702; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20281 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25499 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA13451; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: '96 VFR 750 For Sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII With much regret, at this time I find that I need the money more than I need the VFR, so... It's in beautiful condition - never wrecked - only a few tiny scratches from a VERY soft laydown of the forgotten disk lock type. It has 10K miles, and received a tune up and oil change at 8K over at Free State Cycles in Bladensburg. It has Helibars installed, and I have the stock bars and the rear seat cowl. I'll throw in the aforementioned disk lock along with my Barb Wire (the thicker one), and also my custom theft deterrent, a ratty old cover that no self-respecting thief would ever look under. :-) Only minus - it does need new tires. The rear one's picked up a nail, though it's losing air very slowly (about 5 psi over a week). The VFR is located in Laurel, Maryland, and the asking price is only $6,200. E-mail or phone (301) 776-9522. Thanks. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 23:39:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20245; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23797 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02782 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA19811; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:52:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:49:20 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: From MC ONLINE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000d01bdc1bb$23c4ff40$2e80e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > BTW, isn't all art pop art? IMNSHO, anyway. Nothing else means much except > to a very small bunch of people. The beauty in everyday objects seems to be > lost. I bet these same people don't think much of Frank Lloyd Wright, > either... I like the quote from Type O Negatives,'October Rust': Non-functional art is tolerated vandalism. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 00:03:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20698; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23880 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03005 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19890; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:18:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:12:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Finally! The VFR is mein To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036554@bdanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, David Cross wrote: > > the whole front > > end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted > > about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." > That doesn't sound good. Are the fork tubes twisted or bent? > What did the owner say about it? How did it happen? My question is,what in the hell is he doing screwing around on the thing?If the front isn't straight the last thing I'd do is run it up to 75 or take it through some curves. The front end plus the frozen chain links makes me wonder how well the previous owner took care of the bike.I'd definitely have it checked over before I did any serious riding. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 14:05:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25426; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29342 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08793 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA18514; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.110.24]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980809172241.YVVO876@XXXXXX>; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:22:41 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "CBR List" , "HSTA" Subject: Source for Stiffening Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:22:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdc3ba$44368900$9c6f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL NEED IT. This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: 1) CB radio 2) mini-disk player 3) GPS 4) radar detector (shhhh) 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 14:28:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25592; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29381 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09078 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.mindspring.com (user-38lcnje.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.94.110]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09848; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808091747.NAA09848@camel8.mindspring.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Mr Pou" Organization: yea, right To: "Dc-Cycles" , "CBR List" , "HSTA" , cbr@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:40:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [cbr] Source for Stiffening Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000c01bdc3ba$44368900$9c6f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Linda Tanner wrote: > And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make > my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm > looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to > give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. Remember those little sleds we used to ride as kids, except they weren't sleds? They were thin sheets of tough plastic that you unrolled, sat or laid down on, and slid down the hill. If they still make them, I'd think they wouldn't cost too much, and should be easy to cut with a Stanley knife or tin snips. > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) > War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. > > Bill Jennings 98 GL1500A - "The Bus" "MINE'S BIGGER!!" 97 CBR1100XX - "The Flying Couch" wjennings@XXXXXX http://www.mindspring.com/~wjennings/Index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 17:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26663; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00560 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11056 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA03568 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vna-va19-34.ix.netcom.com(207.223.180.162) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003558; Sun Aug 9 16:12:59 1998 Message-ID: <35CE3ACD.1E5F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:11:57 -0700 Organization: NETCOM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Say it ain't so! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I'm praying it wasn't somebody from this list who crashed and burned a beautiful Ducati this weekend right west of Berkeley Springs, WV. I was up at my cabin, where I spend most weekends, enjoying the "mountain" roads. Heading home around 4:30 PM, round a corner, and hard on the brakes because Rt. 9 traffic is completely stopped. We wait forever. Eventually the traffic begins moving one lane at a time, alternating. Oh, no - one of my fears is realized. A group of sportbikes, riding those beautiful twisties. I am heading up the hill, but can discern that the group of bikes appeared to be heading downhill, into a left-hand 30 MPH curve. By the time we pass the accident scene, the ambulance is gone (if there was one - I don't know). But there's the crumpled up remains of a Ducati on the shoulder. Yikes! Looks like he drifted wide in the left-hander, locked a wheel mid-corner, went down hard, and then proceeded off the pavement into the soft gravel shoulder, the guardrail, and maybe into the trees. Oh, man, I hope the rider lived. The bike definitely has passed on to another life. That scene was a not-subtle reminder that motorcycle riding is a beautiful but dangerous sport. I don't know if the rider on the Ducati was going too fast, if he panicked and grabbed too much brake, if his tire was defective, or any number of other things that can go wrong mid-corner. But in the paraphrased words of Peter Egan, if you really love this sport, please ride in a manner that will allow you to continue doing so for a long, long time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 20:52:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27534; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01022 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2y-ext.prodigy.com (known pimaia2y-ext.prodigy.com [207.115.58.95]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12690 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime4.prodigy.com (mime4.prodigy.com [192.168.254.43]) by pimaia2y-ext.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA43440 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:49 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime4.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA13630 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:08:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199808100008.UAA13630@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae02dm02sc06 From: CDJV17A@XXXXXX (MR MIKE MUTH) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:08:08, -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Sportster Seat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -- [ From: Mike Muth * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- For Sale: One Harley Sportster Solo Saddle....low profile off a 96 Hugger...never been used. $50 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 22:34:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28178; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01906 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13550 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10030; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:48:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Linda Tanner cc: Dc-Cycles , CBR List , HSTA Subject: Re: Source for Stiffening In-Reply-To: <000c01bdc3ba$44368900$9c6f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wooo woo... how much does this bag cost? I am looking for some luggage! Ok the note of keeping its shape. Lexan, cheap and you can cut it with a lexan cisor (like $3 at a hobby store.) Another idea.. cardboard. Easy to find, replaceable, and can of course be cut with a cisor. If you have a ferret then you have seen a thing called an "Animal corral" in the ferret mags. It is made of the plastic you are looking for... basicaly it is the plastic you are seeking, is in one long strip that you clip either end together and make a big circle for your pets... it stands only a foot or two tall... so you wont have to trim much. I can't remember the price but I will get the info for ya. I will also look to see if I still have the number for that lexan place. (I.e. this message is only 50% of what you wanted, but all the wine from dinner is still bothering me so be happy.) -Frank p.s. though I was the only person in the area who used a mini-disk player when racing down the road. :) Finaly one person who wont ask... "What is that thing, some sort of radio?" n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make > my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm > looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to > give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not > finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as > it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL > NEED IT. > > This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but > stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've > found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when > using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. > > If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would > appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. > > MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will > probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: > 1) CB radio > 2) mini-disk player > 3) GPS > 4) radar detector (shhhh) > 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) > 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) > War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 08:02:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02185; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06279 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19052 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:21:20 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220136B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Anyone wanna Learn 'bout race bikes? Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:19:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Considering that it's a pure bred race bike of the same heritage as Doohans 500 NSR (that's only leasable for $1mil/year), and it cost $10,000 new... AND that the going price for an average bike of that varity is $3000~3500.. I'd say I'm probably going to make someone happy with their purchase. Maybe you need to look into what the bike is before you form an opinion (looks like a moped.. indeed, it sorta does.. like to see a moped run 150mph down a 3/4mile straight then take a corner that'd be marked on the street as a 25 at near 60mph) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- No offense to the owner of the bike but I saw that machine.........is it really worth that much? $3000 sounds a little steep for a bike that looks like a moped. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 08:07:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02220; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06284 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19088 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA00823; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:21:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:21:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Linda Tanner cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Source for Stiffening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Linda, Read Plastics (or any variety of other plastic shops) has Mylar (?), clear that you can buy in a variety of thicknesses and sheet sizes. The cost should be < $10.00 and you can pick the thickness that easiest to work with that is stiff enough. I some stuff that is about 1/3 as thick as the plastic in my OSI tank bag that is plenty stiff enough. It was thin enough to run through a sewing machine to put holes in it so that I could attach it to something else. > On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > > > And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make > > my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm > > looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to > > give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not > > finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as > > it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL > > NEED IT. > > > > This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but > > stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've > > found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when > > using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. > > > > If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would > > appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. > > > > MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will > > probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: > > 1) CB radio > > 2) mini-disk player > > 3) GPS > > 4) radar detector (shhhh) > > 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) > > 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) > > > > LindaT. > > 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) > > War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. > > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 08:25:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02294; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06329 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (known smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19189 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA15212; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:30:05 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA17316; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:33:00 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100021236448; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:43:23 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: , Subject: Source for Stiffening Message-ID: <5040100021236448000002L082*@MHS> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:43:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Linda, Read Plastics in Rockville would be my first stop when looking for plastics. Haven't been there for awhile but they used to carry anything you could think on in plastics. http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypResults.py?city=Silver+Spring&state=MD&zip=&slt=38.9906005859&sln=-77.0263977051&cs=5&stx=read+plastics&stp=a&Search+Now=Search+Now Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 08-10-98 07:36 AM --------------------------- linda.tanner@XXXXXX on 08-09-98 02:13:40 PM Please respond to linda.tanner@XXXXXX To: hsta@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Source for Stiffening And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL NEED IT. This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: 1) CB radio 2) mini-disk player 3) GPS 4) radar detector (shhhh) 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 08:53:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02492; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06449 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19449 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id FAA13018 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:10:49 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:10:49 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Source for Stiffening Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:12:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Linda, An excellent local source is Reed Plastics in Maryland (it may be spelled "Reid" - not sure. Anyhoo, if it is plastic, or can be used on or with plastic, they have it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 09:35:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02819; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06774 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19968 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29859 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036560@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kiernan Racing supplies Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:53:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Their number is 609-758-5793 . They can be found on the web at: http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ Do business with KRS at your own risk!!! The short version of the my personal dealings with them is as follows: I purchased a $1000 set of leathers from them. The first set was too large and they said no problem send them back, we'll send you a smaller size. They charged my credit card for the second set also and said we'll credit you for the first set when we receive it. Sounded reasonable to me. After a month went buy my card had not been credited, so I called and made sure they had gotten the returned leathers. They said yes and that my card will be credited soon. Well about 4 months later, and several calls to them (the owner is almost never there so dont even think about getting to talk to him), nothing! I had also been in contact with my credit card company who had been working on the dispute from their end. I contacted the Better Business Bureau who tried to contact the owner, but they were unsuccessful, and the most they could do was add a complaint to their files. Well I finally threatened KRS with action from their local county commerce department, the prosecutors office and my posting an email to the motorcycle racing list server describing my experience. That seemed to work and I got my $1000. During one of my conversations with KRS employees they told me that the business was in financial trouble and would I like the money in parts or merchandise!! Screw that I wanted my damn money! 4 months is a long time to be out $1000. Good Luck, Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 1:15 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Kiernan Racing supplies > > Does anyone have their number? I did but lost it. I sent them a check > for a > tire over a week ago, they said it would take 4days at most. Im > getting a > little pissed. > > Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 10:10:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03179; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07316 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20774 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:27:50 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMQZa04229 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35af0e80.35cef52c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:27:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone wanna Learn 'bout race bikes? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-10 08:12:30 EDT, you write: << Considering that it's a pure bred race bike of the same heritage as Doohans 500 NSR (that's only leasable for $1mil/year), and it cost $10,000 new... AND that the going price for an average bike of that varity is $3000~3500.. I'd say I'm probably going to make someone happy with their purchase. Maybe you need to look into what the bike is before you form an opinion (looks like a moped.. indeed, it sorta does.. like to see a moped run 150mph down a 3/4mile straight then take a corner that'd be marked on the street as a 25 at near 60mph) >> Ummm.....no need to get defensive! I just said that it sounds a little expensive considering what it looks like. I have no clue as to how it runs or whatever. Im happy with my bike thanks. And Brian you may remember me from Summit Point Track Day (guy with the TL), Id have a REALLY hard time fitting on your bike. I hope you sell it tho, because if it does what you say it does, indeed, someone will be very happy. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 10:14:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03209; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07346 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20840 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04348; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980810132953.ZWPI876@XXXXXX>; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:29:53 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: , "HSTA" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [cbr] [GEN] Source for Stiffening Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:29:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdc462$f3b97a60$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <8525665B.005FCECA.00@Notes.airtouch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Thanks to everyone who has made suggestions. Lots of good ideas that I'll be checking out. And I'm waiting for yours, RJ (and that wet T-shirt). Thanks again, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 12:44:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04860; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11528 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24864 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04086 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA14450; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA05611; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA05304; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:06 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA05298; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:05 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDC43D.66F65230@XXXXXX>; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Any deals on helmets in the area? Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:55:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 44 TEXT I was at Colemans in Falls Church last Wed (8-5) and they had a bunch of AGV helmets on sale. Regular price $229 - 249 on sale for $129 (solid color) to $149 (multicolored.) Found a lovely purple, black, and red helmet. Now, just need a new bike to go with it! :-) - - Ursulina (sinuses feeling better but would rather be in WV) >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike T [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 7:50 PM >To: 2xracers@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? > >I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get any >more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I did). >With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got >ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) > >At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >>While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very >>hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now >>than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the >>pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. >> >>Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 >>or RF800 to replace it. Might even like one before the trip this >>weekend. Has anyone seen any "sale prices" on Shoei helmets at any >>local dealerships? Maybe a markdown or discontinued item? Probably >>just wishful thinking on my part! >> >>Thanks in advance! >>Anita >>'96 GPZ1100 >> > >______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > >The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows >where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 13:29:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05459; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12491 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26159 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z5v65-0005Y2-00; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:47:01 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4651@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:45:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know what you mean...last night I went riding with some friends & one of the guys with us took a corner too fast & got serious tank slappies going and almost lost the bike. He was only wearing a t-shirt. Thank god he managed to get the bike under control. The only thing I could think was, if he's going to ride like that, I'd at least wear a damn jacket!! - Jeannette > That scene was a not-subtle reminder that motorcycle riding is a > beautiful but dangerous sport. I don't know if the rider on the > Ducati > was going too fast, if he panicked and grabbed too much brake, if his > tire was defective, or any number of other things that can go wrong > mid-corner. But in the paraphrased words of Peter Egan, if you really > love this sport, please ride in a manner that will allow you to > continue > doing so for a long, long time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 13:45:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05729; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12758 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26592 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z5vLv-0007Np-00; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:03:23 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:02:28 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D903969@BADGE> From: "Harris, Carole" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Used Honda VTR 250 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:01:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have a 1989, white and teal, Honda VTR 250 for sale. It has 3,500 miles on it. It's in great condition and I'm asking $1200 for it. It's a great starter bike. If you're interested, please call me. I'm selling it b/c I bought a bigger bike. Thanks Carole Harris Estate Planning Paralegal Tucker, Flyer & Lewis, P.C. 1615 L Street, N.W., Suite 400 Washington, D.C. 20036-5612 Tel: 202-429-3736; Fax: 202-429-3231 Email:caharris@XXXXXX http://www.tuckerflyer.com This electronic mail transmission contains information from the law firm of Tucker, Flyer & Lewis, which may be privileged or confidential. The information contained herein is for the exclusive use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please notify us by telephone (202-452-8600) or by electronic mail. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 13:56:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05961; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12847 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26895 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ISXUa04521; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e23456.35cf2a37@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:13:26 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Aaaagh, it's back!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm asking like $900/OBO. It's a tough old bike. I really want to get it sold. I'm willing to ride it anywhere to show it off and/or deliver it (though I'd need a ride home). If you want all the info on the bike, just ask! Thanks! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "lost puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 15:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06872; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13544 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28733 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 270; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <35CF3A42.94A43962@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:21:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Say it ain't so! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4651@BADGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > The only thing I could think was, if he's going to ride like that, I'd > at least wear a damn jacket!! Anyone here trying to picture how silly a squid would look with shorts, flip-flops, gaily-painted helmet, and a thick, heavy leather jacket? Heh, heh, heh. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 15:10:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06936; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13866 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28953 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 307 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:27:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980810142744.00af7100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:27:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Agressive Driving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This tid bit was on rec.motorcycles news group, and I thought it interesting. Just an example of what could happen.... ============== In article <35d379cc.51849879@XXXXXX>, xyzorion4@XXXXXX (Larry Gamache) wrote: >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:12:59 +1200, "NZMSC" wrote: >>Have you ever thought what would happen if car drivers reacted to you when >>YOU make a mistake as you react to them when THEY make a mistake? They could >>open the car door on you; swerve into you to knock you off your bike;or just >>get up close, reach out of the window and grab your front brake... >>A motorcyclist, vulnerable as s/he is, is in no position to start >>hostilities. >>Allan Kirk >>New Zealand Motorcycle Safety Consultants >Kirk, you're such a goody-goody preacher. Why don't you start a >church? I think it's good advice. Back when I first got my driver's license (and had been riding dirt bikes for several years) I inadvertantly changed lanes and cut off a biker. He rode alongside cussing me out (my windows were down), and I expressed apologies. I don't know what his problem was, but evidently he decided that wasn't enough and pulled a flashlight and smashed the windshield. I've never reacted too well to provocation, so I pulled my .357 out and put a bullet into his engine and left him sitting there. When I ride, I'm careful and polite. I expect cagers to make mistakes, not see me, whatever, at all times. Haven't had any kind of incident like the above in all the years I've been riding. Regards, Tim =============== ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 15:44:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07302; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14313 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00195 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 314; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:01:57 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) Was in the rightmost of two left hand turn lanes last weekend, waiting for the lights to change, when these three guys pulled up - squidded out to the max. You know the type, dressed in the strictly mandated extensive motorcycle safety gear, consisting of sneakers, shorts, t-shirts, and $400 custom painted helmets. They were all riding indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's, and they pulled up next to me in the other left turn lane. No acknowledgment of my friendly little wave. They must have thought I was insane sweating in my fullface, leathers, gloves and jeans. Oh well. As the lights started to change, I thought about the road ahead. Wide, flat, divided highway, two lanes, no traffic, plenty of visibility. Ample opportunity for a throttle check....besides, I needed to check for that purported high speed wobble/weave, right? They were not paying attention when the lights changed, and I think I might have surprised them by leaning the Concours over so far in the intersection that I scraped footpegs and took off like a batouttahell. I wicked it up to 65-70 in the space of a few seconds, and waited for the onslaught. Squid #1 carefully threaded his way through the treacherous tight turn known as an intersection, and waited till his bike was perfectly upright before applying more than minimal throttle. I watched him draw closer in my vibration-free mirrors, before winding up the throttle a little bit and pulling away. Squid #2 took a little longer to wind up, and #1 moved over to let him pass. He shot past at a pretty good speed, and I actually had to downshift to keep up with him. I wonder what he was thinking when he glanced back over his shoulder, presumably to see how far behind he had left me, and see me only about a bikelength behind, on a *tour* bike no less! :) Anyway, the Concours is as smooth as glass at 120mph indicated, no wobbles, weaves, etc. etc. that I could tell. Squid #2 and I both sort of realized how silly we were being, and backed off at about the same time. They ended up behind me at the next light, and I hoped they got a good eyeful of my Iron Butt Association license plate frame before we parted ways, and I headed for home. Yes boys, I use this bike to do more than just ride-fast-in-a-straight-line in my local neighborhood. This time, they all returned my little wave. So anyway, I think I impressed some squids. Seems pretty stupid in retrospect, but hey, testosterone works in mysterious ways sometimes. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:07:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08009; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14506 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00697 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:23:46 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: 3-day trip..? did they survive WV Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:21:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm kinda curious to find out if everyone actually made it through the trip... or did super-squids Glen and Craig wad each others bikes doing mach 13 on a gravely backroad.. (ok, mach 11 for Geln on the V30 - smaller engine and all) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:49:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08958; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14885 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (known smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03044 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:33 -0400 Sender: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with SMTP id QAA07588; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980810160817.006a0784@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.149]) with SMTP; 10 Aug 1998 20:05:12 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:17 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Cc: DC Cycles List , COG In-Reply-To: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:01 PM 8/10/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) Dale, You are the master squid-baiter. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:50:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08983; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14904 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03122 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id NAA21486 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:08:15 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:08:15 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:09:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >So anyway, I think I impressed some squids. Seems pretty >stupid in retrospect, but hey, testosterone works in >mysterious ways sometimes. Good stuff, that - one of my favorite drugs (caffeine being the other) Ain't no substitute for cubic inches - I've surprised more than one young'un on my GSX 1100G - I guess they focus on the three-bag GiVi set and mature figure behind the bars and forget about the 1127cc of GSX-R based engine. Ya takes yer pleasure where ya can Michael (Grow up? Who, me?) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:51:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09001; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14909 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03129 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:09:03 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:06:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Now Dale.. I was expecting a real trooper story.. I actually call it Squid-Trolling now days.. always on the beltway/295/what have you.. Typically I'm running 70~80 as an average (hey, just attempting to keep up now days!), and every now and again, I'll come up on either a squid or a riceboy (some small car with loud exhause, tinted out windows and stickers all over the car.. you know the type.. they think they're fast too..) Anyway.. I'll pull up next to them and just kinda wick the throttle to get my bike to lurch forward a bit. Doing this a few times to see if they bite.. if they do, great.. I drop it 2 gears and leave em wondering what happened (usually slowing down so I can humiliate them again), if not.. I just kind motor on looking for someone else.. Unfortunatally, I become like said squid in performing these actions.. but it's fun after an agrivating day at the office and in dealing with my 90 min, 30 mile ride home.. Course, I DON'T advicate anything I say.. or do, for that matter... just don't use me as a positive example (thinking fondly of my 20foot black streek infront of John K's home) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:55:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09044; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14942 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03381 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA22742 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980810201117.DENI876@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:11:17 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bdc49b$0567b6e0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ok, 50 Hail Mary's and then you can do it again. Oops LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 10, 1998 3:02 PM To: DC Cycles List; COG Subject: Confessions of a squid-baiter Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 17:00:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09307; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15049 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03584 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 293; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35CF5563.5FA16083@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <3.0.1.32.19980810160817.006a0784@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > > At 03:01 PM 8/10/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: > >Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > > Dale, > You are the master squid-baiter. Harry, I've got to hand it to you... At least you didn't call me a jerkoff because I like whacking the throttle. It's just so much fun to do it hard and fast sometimes, I don't know what comes over me. :) Ahem, just re-read this, I'm talking about riding my motorcycle here. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 18:12:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10218; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15836 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06645 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:37 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdc4a5$a8d32620$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Too many rice boys around here. I'd quickly go through a tank of gas if I felt the need to dispatch all of them with the wrath they so mightily deserve. I'm saving myself for one of three cars: 1) Mustang Cobra 2) Camaro SS 3) Firebird Firehawk I see at least a half dozen of each each week, but they are always going in the opposite direction. Anything to wipe the smug, hardass look off of their faces. I don't care how quick you are. Until you drop off at least two wheels, get out of my way. Let's face it, there's a little squid in all of us. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 18:13:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10229; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15829 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06643 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc4a5$a80b4240$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4651@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 When out without the jacket (frequently these days. When the bank account rebounds a little bit, I'm thinking about the Kilimanjaro (sp)) I always take it much easier. Not that that's gonna amount to a whole lot, honestly. BTW, what causes tank slappers? Nasty one in my Wing if you let off the bars at over 45 mph. Loose head bearings? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 19:28:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10901; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16365 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08698 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.88] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA09002; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bdc4b0$310a78e0$5873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: 3-day trip..? did they survive WV Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 We made it! Lots of wetness unfortunately. Lots of FUN also. One bike had to be left behind, rider returned 2-up, details will follow I'm sure. Bruce >I'm kinda curious to find out if everyone actually made it through the >trip... or did super-squids Glen and Craig wad each others bikes doing >mach 13 on a gravely backroad.. (ok, mach 11 for Geln on the V30 - >smaller engine and all) > >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 19:37:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10985; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16454 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08821 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22931; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: David Cross cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kiernan Racing supplies In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036560@bdanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hope you didn't grow a lot of interest on that $1000! (Normaly the credit company will not if you tell them right away...) Four months of interest on $1000 is a bit of change... at least $50 at 15% interest. (I think... I have to find that calculator some day.) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, David Cross wrote: > Their number is 609-758-5793 . They can be found on the web at: > http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ > > Do business with KRS at your own risk!!! > > The short version of the my personal dealings with them is as follows: > > I purchased a $1000 set of leathers from them. The first set was too > large and they said no problem send them back, we'll send you a smaller > size. They charged my credit card for the second set also and said > we'll credit you for the first set when we receive it. Sounded > reasonable to me. After a month went buy my card had not been credited, > so I called and made sure they had gotten the returned leathers. They > said yes and that my card will be credited soon. Well about 4 months > later, and several calls to them (the owner is almost never there so > dont even think about getting to talk to him), nothing! I had also been > in contact with my credit card company who had been working on the > dispute from their end. I contacted the Better Business Bureau who > tried to contact the owner, but they were unsuccessful, and the most > they could do was add a complaint to their files. Well I finally > threatened KRS with action from their local county commerce department, > the prosecutors office and my posting an email to the motorcycle racing > list server describing my experience. That seemed to work and I got my > $1000. During one of my conversations with KRS employees they told me > that the business was in financial trouble and would I like the money in > parts or merchandise!! Screw that I wanted my damn money! 4 months is > a long time to be out $1000. > > Good Luck, > > Dave Cross > WERA & CCS #416am > --------------------------- > Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles > (703) 818 8890 > http://www.fastlanecycles.com > --------------------------- > 90 FZR400 (race) > 94 VFR750 (street) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 1:15 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Kiernan Racing supplies > > > > Does anyone have their number? I did but lost it. I sent them a check > > for a > > tire over a week ago, they said it would take 4days at most. Im > > getting a > > little pissed. > > > > Sean... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 19:49:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11031; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16632 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09070 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24142; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Dale Horstman cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: <35CF3A42.94A43962@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well going south on 270 this eavening, just after one weeks worth of rain in 10 minutes, I saw just that... well almost. Cotton shorts (looked like the remnence of a sweat pants.), sneekers, helmet... and a lether jacket. Hmmm... I always felt a long sleve shirt and shorts looked strange. I would have died if he had on flip-flops! I guess he is a squid in redemption. -Frank p.s. Overall, even with the jacket.. he had too many squid points for driving too fast and weaving in traffic during the rain. n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > The only thing I could think was, if he's going to ride like that, I'd > > at least wear a damn jacket!! > > Anyone here trying to picture how silly a squid would look > with shorts, flip-flops, gaily-painted helmet, and a thick, > heavy leather jacket? Heh, heh, heh. > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 19:53:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11050; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16653 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09110 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id QAA17871 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:17 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:17 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:12:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I'm saving myself for one of three cars: >1) Mustang Cobra >2) Camaro SS >3) Firebird Firehawk There's a (real) 427 Shelby AC Cobra prowling around Sterling. :-) Haven't been able to get a rise out of him, though :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:02:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11087; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16673 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09236 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24940; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... On last Thursday, the 6th, I was riding 295 north... just south of the 195(?) intersection I noticed a guy in fatigues (sp) on the right hand side of the road. (On bike that is.) I stopped as soon as I could on the left side of the road to see if he was having problems and if I could help. Traffic was too harsh for me to zip to the other side of the road, so I wend up an exit, after sitting and watching him for a couple of minutes, circled back around... when I got to the place again he was gone. So sorry I didn't get there faster, and glad to see you made it out okay. Heck the person may not even be on this list. :( -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Now Dale.. I was expecting a real trooper story.. I actually call it > Squid-Trolling now days.. always on the beltway/295/what have you.. > Typically I'm running 70~80 as an average (hey, just attempting to keep > up now days!), and every now and again, I'll come up on either a squid > or a riceboy (some small car with loud exhause, tinted out windows and > stickers all over the car.. you know the type.. they think they're fast > too..) Anyway.. I'll pull up next to them and just kinda wick the > throttle to get my bike to lurch forward a bit. Doing this a few times > to see if they bite.. if they do, great.. I drop it 2 gears and leave em > wondering what happened (usually slowing down so I can humiliate them > again), if not.. I just kind motor on looking for someone else.. > > Unfortunatally, I become like said squid in performing these actions.. > but it's fun after an agrivating day at the office and in dealing with > my 90 min, 30 mile ride home.. > > Course, I DON'T advicate anything I say.. or do, for that matter... just > don't use me as a positive example (thinking fondly of my 20foot black > streek infront of John K's home) > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:06:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11111; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16692 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09305 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25259; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: George Howell cc: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter In-Reply-To: <000201bdc4a5$a8d32620$2b80e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I felt such a need too... ahhhhhh to blow away a "big 'ol car!" I too found them to be running the other way in fear of my superior sports machine... so I found where they hang out. Rt. 2 in Glen Burnie!!! You cant swing a stick without hitting five or six Cobras! I took one off the line, and decided to slow down before the trooper up ahead totaly realized what was going on. Took me some time to bate one into racing... most are too smart to hand their bravado over so fast. Hehehe but it was soooo fun, and soooo bad at the same time. ;) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > Too many rice boys around here. I'd quickly go through a tank of gas if I > felt the need to dispatch all of them with the wrath they so mightily > deserve. > > I'm saving myself for one of three cars: > > 1) Mustang Cobra > 2) Camaro SS > 3) Firebird Firehawk > > I see at least a half dozen of each each week, but they are always going in > the opposite direction. Anything to wipe the smug, hardass look off of their > faces. I don't care how quick you are. Until you drop off at least two > wheels, get out of my way. > > Let's face it, there's a little squid in all of us. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:10:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11134; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16733 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09407 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr42-dialup43.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXH00NKCYH4KB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:27:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:38 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <001301bdc4cf$32914ee0$6b4d37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so much better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" and that your "fullface, leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. If your so much better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? Confess my son and all is forgiven...... Jon S. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles List ; COG Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: Confessions of a squid-baiter >Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > >Was in the rightmost of two left hand turn lanes >last weekend, waiting for the lights to change, >when these three guys pulled up - squidded out >to the max. You know the type, dressed in the >strictly mandated extensive motorcycle safety gear, >consisting of sneakers, shorts, t-shirts, >and $400 custom painted helmets. They were all riding >indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's, and they pulled up >next to me in the other left turn lane. No acknowledgment >of my friendly little wave. They must have thought >I was insane sweating in my fullface, leathers, gloves >and jeans. Oh well. As the lights started to change, >I thought about the road ahead. Wide, flat, divided highway, >two lanes, no traffic, plenty of visibility. Ample opportunity >for a throttle check....besides, I needed to check for that >purported high speed wobble/weave, right? > >They were not paying attention when the lights changed, >and I think I might have surprised them by leaning the >Concours over so far in the intersection that I scraped >footpegs and took off like a batouttahell. I wicked it >up to 65-70 in the space of a few seconds, and waited for >the onslaught. > >Squid #1 carefully threaded his way through the treacherous >tight turn known as an intersection, and waited till his >bike was perfectly upright before applying more than minimal >throttle. I watched him draw closer in my vibration-free >mirrors, before winding up the throttle a little bit and >pulling away. > >Squid #2 took a little longer to wind up, and #1 moved over >to let him pass. He shot past at a pretty good speed, and >I actually had to downshift to keep up with him. I wonder >what he was thinking when he glanced back over his shoulder, >presumably to see how far behind he had left me, and see me >only about a bikelength behind, on a *tour* bike no less! :) > >Anyway, the Concours is as smooth as glass at 120mph indicated, >no wobbles, weaves, etc. etc. that I could tell. Squid #2 and >I both sort of realized how silly we were being, and backed >off at about the same time. They ended up behind me at the >next light, and I hoped they got a good eyeful of my Iron Butt >Association license plate frame before we parted ways, and I >headed for home. Yes boys, I use this bike to do more than >just ride-fast-in-a-straight-line in my local neighborhood. >This time, they all returned my little wave. > >So anyway, I think I impressed some squids. Seems pretty >stupid in retrospect, but hey, testosterone works in >mysterious ways sometimes. > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:22:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11206; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16823 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09612 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-86.s86.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.86]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03573; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CF849F.75680AB9@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:39:11 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <000201bdc4a5$a8d32620$2b80e2cf@ghowell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > I'm saving myself for one of three cars: > > 1) Mustang Cobra > 2) Camaro SS > 3) Firebird Firehawk > > I see at least a half dozen of each each week, The first two I see all the time, but I've only seen one true Firehawk conversion on the street...or has Pontiac picked up the name that the aftermarket folks used? Last I saw, A firehawk was a moderately spendy conversion to a standard Firebird T/A that bumped the hp up around 400 and had a cool hood and some other body effects... >Anything to wipe the smug, hardass look off of their > faces. I don't care how quick you are. Until you drop off at least two > wheels, get out of my way. > Ummm, actually, when I went out to MIR back in the spring, I saw a street vehicle turn out an 8.65 @ 143mph 1/4 mile run. I'm sure he's far from street legal, but it did have a tag on it, and talking to some folks, he drove it to the track and drives it around regularly!! Fastest bike I saw that night was in the mid 10's!! > Let's face it, there's a little squid in all of us. Some of us more than others on occasion (of course, "I" don't "ever" do that sort of thing *chuckle*) _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:27:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11226; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16848 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09685 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WVPWa04229 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:14:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 On my own long trip this weekend (NY, NJ, PA, DE), I saw many squids. Kinda funny to humiliate them on my bike. They see my Shadow and think it's just another slow cruiser. Ha! Saw a guy in NYC with a mid-80s Toyota Corolla all decked out. Woulda been fun to embarass him, but I was totally lost and caught in rush hour traffic. I did leave a couple other riceboys in Jersey, but saw very few biker squids heading my way. In fact, I saw very few bikes for the amount of riding I did. Bummer. Anyway, it is fun to be squidly once in a while! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "Lost Puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:30:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11254; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16898 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09752 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-86.s86.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.86]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24923; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35CF85DD.9C13D2E5@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:44:29 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Say it ain't so! References: <000101bdc4a5$a80b4240$2b80e2cf@ghowell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > BTW, what causes tank slappers? Nasty one in my Wing if you let off the bars > at over 45 mph. Loose head bearings? Lots of things can cause them, loose head bearings, tweaked forks (even minutely), out of round front rim or misaligned wheel (including rear), unbalanced tire..etc. Normally the things listed above would have to be pretty drastic to cause full on slappers on such a stable bike as the wing. On sport bikes it will show up faster due to the more radical steering geometry and less weight holding the front still. On the CBR900RR and 96+ GSXR's the steering geometry is so steep that just adding race compound tires can cause slappers to come on under acceleration... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:54:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11401; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17130 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10228 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:09:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc4bc$557700c0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <35CF849F.75680AB9@geocities.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Don't know if Pontiac has bumped up the production of Firehawks, but I saw two on Sunday, and one on Friday and Saturday (not sure if same cars or not) As far as 8.5 second 'street legal' cars... Sorry. Read Hot Rod for 9 years. They might have tags, but they ain't for real. And what are their 1/4 times like when they run out of laughing gas? At the very least, I'll pass 'em while they're in the shop getting a ring job (or new engine, like the Viper that 'beat' the GSXR a few years back) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:56:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11417; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17148 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10248 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:11:49 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc4bc$97c1d400$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <35CF85DD.9C13D2E5@geocities.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'll check head bearings first (since they are easiest) Front tire second. Any good way to check runout on rims? It's not drastic (or existant) until around 45 mph, and even at that speed, it's stable on recently (<6 month) paved roads. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Normally the things listed above would have to be pretty drastic to > cause full on slappers on such a stable bike as the wing. On sport bikes > it will show up faster due to the more radical steering geometry and > less weight holding the front still. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 21:07:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11513; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17240 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10427 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:25:23 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJKGa02268 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:19:57 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <5bbe7047.35cf8e2f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:19:57 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Air Show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Just FYI, there's an Air Show at Frederick Municipal Airport the weekend of the 22ns and 23rd. If anyone's interested in going, but don't know the way, I'd be willing to either give directions. Or, if enough people are interested, we could meet and ride up in a group. The tickets for the air show are like $8 at the gate, and $2 off if bought ahead of time. I'll buy tickets for those definitely interested. I'll get all the info I can (I used to work at the airport, so I can get the inside scoop). Oh, and the show runs from 7AM-7PM both Sat. and Sun. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "Lost Puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 21:17:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11554; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17327 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10593 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01952; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808110035.UAA01952@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Say it ain't so! To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000101bdc4a5$a80b4240$2b80e2cf@ghowell> from "George Howell" at Aug 10, 98 05:27:20 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > When out without the jacket (frequently these days. When the bank account > rebounds a little bit, I'm thinking about the Kilimanjaro (sp)) I always > take it much easier. Not that that's gonna amount to a whole lot, honestly. > > BTW, what causes tank slappers? Nasty one in my Wing if you let off the bars > at over 45 mph. Loose head bearings? > can be. Also check: - both tires - if you have some load on back of bike ( especially behind rear axle...) > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 21:17:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11562; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17342 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10610 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WACSa11436 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:34:12 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:34:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-10 20:32:18 EDT, you write: << The first two I see all the time, but I've only seen one true Firehawk conversion on the street...or has Pontiac picked up the name that the aftermarket folks used? Last I saw, A firehawk was a moderately spendy conversion to a standard Firebird T/A that bumped the hp up around 400 and had a cool hood and some other body effects... >> Yes Pontiac makes the Firehawk now. Its a Trans Am thats shipped out to an aftermarket company and they do the rest. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 22:19:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11889; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18700 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11686 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA04067; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CFCB3D.5A23@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:40:29 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: Did they survive WV ? (Long] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" Subject: 3-day trip..? did they survive WV > I'm kinda curious to find out if everyone actually made it through the > trip... or did super-squids Glen and Craig wad each others bikes doing > mach 13 on a gravely backroad.. (ok, mach 11 for Geln on the V30 - > smaller engine and all) Hey DC Gang, Well, we all made it back in one piece and Brian will be happy to know that those mofo-squids Glen and Craig failed to wad their bikes ;) I, however, pulled a pretty dumb 'ditch' run and scraped up the ole' Interceptor, giving myself a few bruises in the process. No excuses, and as I said to the group I feel more embarrassed than anything else... ...Went in way too hot on an easy turn as we began our HSTA-escorted ride in the WVA mountains outside of Princeton/Bluefield. The bike wiggled (according to my eyewitnesses) as I tried to brake - not enough - down in the ditch, bike and I both tumbling. Got the wind knocked right out of me, and after checking to see if my neck and all metacarpals (and tarsals) were operating normally, told Bruce Norton to put away that damned cell phone and then told Steve Beck to pull me up outta there (!). What I did not want to do was to spoil everyone else's ride, so WVA denizen and group leader Bill Nabors (900cc Triumph Speed Triple) led the group to where they were going and then returned with a trailer to bring my bike to Bluefield WVA. It could have been a helluva lot worse for me since I basically walked away from a 60+ mph crash. How do I spell grateful? "H-E-I-N / G-E-R-I-C-K-E" (Danke!) Seriously, my leathers are now nicely broken in with WVA mud (hated that sheen anyway ;) The fairly new Shoei RF700 has a few deep scratches. Bike has a leak in at least the upper radiator (easy spot weld fix) and maybe the lower also... Tenzo driving lights are toast, clutch case cover has serious deep scratches but engine integrity was not compromised - started right up! Fairing is shot, but then again it was in poor shape to begin with. Happily, I have a replacement ready to be repainted. Gas tank now has a scar (adds character!). Other than that, just a lot of mud and crud to clean up. I spent the rest of the day initially analyzing what went wrong and then drinking scotch and beer (purely for medical/therapeutic reasons, of course!) way before the sun went past the yardarm. Tom Grimer joined me a few hours later since his rear tire was less than confidence-inspiring, causing him to cut his ride short. Beers, pizza, action flicks on the tube, wasn't too bad a time... Oh, and those squids Glen and Craig? Well, Craig Johnston was kind enough to ride me 'pillion' (don't anyone say the 'B' word or you'll be on my 'S' list ;) for 300 miles - not something I'd recommend BTW, the TL is a very sweet bike in Craig's competent hands, but that pillion seat leaves much to be desired! (The last 60 miles on Tom Gimer's Kawa- Barco-Lounger were far more comfortable :^) For his part, Glen Dysart immediately offered to bring me back down to Bluefield on Saturday to pick up my bike! Like I said, I felt like an ass for wadding my bike, but as was echoed by virtually everyone, I also feel like a pretty lucky mofo. Got a little S from the wife, but not too much... All in all it really was a good weekend even if I didn't do the major ride. It rained a lot (!) there and back, but everyone who participated really displayed the cooperative camraderie that defines the nature of our DC-Cycles community. Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 23:46:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12366; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19342 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13081 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-86.s86.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.86]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28784; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CFB490.4F7B6F2E@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:03:44 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that just doesn't make sense Jack :) Does Pontiac do it themselves, or is it like I said originally: an aftermarket job... Or looking at it again, maybe the aftermarket company (I forget there name..it was a late night watching speedvision just after the current body style came out a few years back) has a deal with Pontiac where the do the conversions for the factory and the factory does all the marketing....can't really see the company wantign this since they would lose a lot of profit that they were already making (they were at max capacity for business according to the article)... Oh well...don't really matter to me cause it ain't a truck and it has more than two wheels :) (I like cars, but they get me in trouble...cops don't even blink at a 240hp 4wd truck..even though it'll do 115) WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 98-08-10 20:32:18 EDT, you write: > > << The first two I see all the time, but I've only seen one true Firehawk > conversion on the street...or has Pontiac picked up the name that the > aftermarket folks used? Last I saw, A firehawk was a moderately spendy > conversion to a standard Firebird T/A that bumped the hp up around 400 > and had a cool hood and some other body effects... >> > > Yes Pontiac makes the Firehawk now. Its a Trans Am thats shipped out to an > aftermarket company and they do the rest. > > Jack -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 00:09:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12917; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19457 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13441 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:52 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZILa12041 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:18 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: SQUID's and such... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Now, I thought that a squid, by dc-cycles definition, was Someone Quite Underdressed Inviting Disaster. So how do kids in civic's and preludes get brought into this? Not that I am one, just curious. And, why does it seem that everyone frowns on motoryclists that arent in full-clad protection? Im not trying to stir anything up, but I seriously need some clairification, I mean, are some people on this list that close minded about riding with other people because of riding gear? I saw some posts back a couple weeks about a ride where someone was given a cold shoulder because of this. I might be wrong, but it just seems ironic. I mean, to get a bike, to be more free... then only to find that your own kind wont accept you because you arent all wrapped up. My point -- why disciminate, or even judge someone cause of the way they dress when riding. I am a member of abate, here to help other motorcyclists, yet I ride a Sport bike( 1st strike against me), and I dont always where leathers(2nd strike), but I do wear jeans, not for protection, more for comfort. Anyway, Im tired of yapping. HAVE FUN.... isnt that what its about =) Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 01:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13459; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20341 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14237 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:18:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Cc: Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdc4df$04048c80$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35CFB490.4F7B6F2E@geocities.com> It's actually both. Pontiac builds the car. The car gets shipped to tuner. Tuner does tuner stuff (SLP engineering??) Car gets shipped back to Pontiac. Pontiac sends car to moronic customer who spent a hell of a lot of money for a car (and in$urance). You can order the package by ticking off the right block on the order form at any Pontiac dealer. But how many people order cars these days? (I almost did, but a Mercury with a stick shift actually managed to be made before I had to resort to that. Almost as good a Q-ship as your truck (and it prolly handles a bit better) Can't tow bikes with it though:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 01:25:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13605; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20458 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14511 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:40:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:40:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdc4e2$20ddc620$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: SQUIDs are RiceBoys on two wheels. And vice versa. I dunno. They just seem to go together. Like arsenic and old lace. Harley's and points ignitions. Kawasakis and more horsepower than they can handle. BMWs and sportbikes that weigh near as much as a Gold Wing. Agusta's and Ago. Petty and Chrysler. Somebody stop me... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 05:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16269; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21744 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA17584 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02979; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:52:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:44:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson in mid-range-torque. Runs in the family.Dad would dust Ninjas with his 700 Magna,and Grandpa would blow away kids in Novas and Camaros with his Pontiac Bonneville 455. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 05:56:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16347; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21825 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17745 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (brauhaus.CSS.GOV [140.162.4.56]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA00611 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808110910.FAA00611@seismo.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:06:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: SQUID's and such... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:26 PM 8/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >Now, I thought that a squid, by dc-cycles definition, was Someone Quite >Underdressed Inviting Disaster. This is a much more formalized and narrow definition than the more traditional Wreck.moto one I've seen... squids are basically anyone who's got a high probability of ending up looking like calimary spread on the pavement. This definition, of course, probably means that all of us are, since, by living in the DC metro area, no matter how careful we are, there's still a HIGH probability of ending up in a gelatinous state across a half mile of tarmac. Engage brain before engaging clutch. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 05:59:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16358; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21857 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17805 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (brauhaus.CSS.GOV [140.162.4.56]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA00726 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808110915.FAA00726@seismo.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:10:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Fwd: Sport Rider's Handbook -- buyer list. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:15:16 -0400 (EDT) >From: "J. Fielek" >To: North East DoD , > Raleigh area Bikers >cc: jjf@XXXXXX >Subject: Sport Rider's Handbook -- buyer list. >Sender: owner-nedod@XXXXXX >Reply-To: nedod@XXXXXX >X-Copyright-Header: The contents of the NEDOD mailing list are copyright by Dean Cookson (The List Maintainer) and the individual authors. Reproduction in any form is forbidden without the express written consent of the article authors (in the case of individual postings) or The List Maintainer (in the case of any compilation, archive or digest). > >The following folks have expressed an interest in a copy of the Sport >Rider's Handbook. We go to press this week, and as such, now is the >time to commit to a copy. If you're interested in a copy and you're >not on this list, please email me at: motoslut@XXXXXX > >Each copy is $10.00, including shipping. The book is stich bound, >5.5"x8.5" format, and will be shipped by way of regular first class >mail. Expect to see a copy within about three weeks of your >order. There will be additional copies avaialbel, as the ~40 copies >listed here at about half the production run. I'll repost the TOC and >excerpts again RSN. > >For orders, please send a check or money order to: > >Josh Fielek >124 Highlands Parkway >Newport News, VA >23603 > > >The lists: > >(Apologies for any misplaced names or typos; this is a pretty hefty >list :-) > >TriDoD: > >1. Darin Phillips >2. Howard Roth >3. Jimmy Thiem >4. Maria Riopka >5. Juan Pons (2) >6. " " >7. Bob Elliot >8. Timothy Smith >9. John Crittendon >10. Denis Calimenis >11. Fred Castrovinci >12. Eric Ayers >13. Chuck Lohr >14. Rob Rosen >15. Ken House >16. Regis Koslovsky >17. Dave Bartlett >18. Rick Clarke >19. John Hite >20. Dick Peterson >21. Steve Hand >22. Ron Butterfield >23. Ed Green >24. Bruce Hudson >25. Jean Scott >26. Phil Calvin >27. Robert Hefter >28. Bill Jennings > > >NeDoD: > >29. Scott Lilliot >30. Thomas Biggs >31. " " >32. Dave Petke >33. Reto Lichtensteiger >34. Rick McMullen >35. Vacek Miglus >36. Suzanne Spencer >37. J. L. Mieussett >38. Adam Glass >39. Tim Atwood >40. Bruce Leung > >Thanks, and when you get it, please let me know what you think. > >J >Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 WERA#968 The Garage of Xanadu: >jjf@XXXXXX 96 900SS-SP #A19 (Belldandy) 82 XV920R(Boomer) >Wrench Early, wrench often. 75 RD350 71 T120R 77 R100/7(Slash) >Happiness isn't getting what you want; it's wanting what you got. > -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 05:59:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16362; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21861 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17809 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA03092; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:14:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:12:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Did they survive WV ? (Long] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35CFCB3D.5A23@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > I also feel like a pretty lucky mofo. Got a > little S from the wife, but not too much... What kind of protective gear were you wearing for that? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 06:37:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16603; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21983 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA18268 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-13.dial.nova.org (pm1-13.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.141]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id FAA07859 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:54:32 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A different kind of on-line magazine Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:55:21 GMT Message-ID: <35db13b5.319019815@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46or the last few weeks I've been reading a different kind of on-line bike mag. They don't have any bike/parts/accessories reviews or most of the usual stuff. They just have stories, riding philosophy, and opinionated editorials. I think it's worth checking out: http://www.activebike.com/IM.htm I'll bet they get a lot of interesting mail from folks upset over their opinions... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 06:39:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16608; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21990 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA18293 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA03351; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:52:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:48:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: SQUID's and such... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Now, I thought that a squid, by dc-cycles definition, was Someone Quite > Underdressed Inviting Disaster. So how do kids in civic's and preludes get > brought into this? Not that I am one, just curious. There are several definitions for Squids.They were clumped in with rice boys because of similar riding/driving habits. > And, why does it seem that > everyone frowns on motoryclists that arent in full-clad protection? Im not > trying to stir anything up, but I seriously need some clairification, I mean, > are some people on this list that close minded about riding with other people > because of riding gear? I saw some posts back a couple weeks about a ride > where someone was given a cold shoulder because of this. I might be wrong, > but it just seems ironic. I mean, to get a bike, to be more free... then only > to find that your own kind wont accept you because you arent all wrapped up. The reason there was such a fuss was because of how he made the other riders feel.It's one thing to be on your own,making your own decisions.But riding with a group if he would've gone down the leader would've felt at least partially responsible.In addition to freedom,brotherhood is another facet of riding. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 08:59:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17601; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24118 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19644 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138E@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:13:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sean, You've got it right on the Squids part.. the other part you missed (for the equivilant in car owners) are Rice Boys.. As for your second point, it's all personal opinions. We flamed about it a couple weeks ago, and I've no intention of starting it again.. But my views are that I like riding, I accept the hazards that come with the freedom, and I want to ride till I'm old and bald (I'm not gonna make it to grey..) The people I ride with (for the most part) are friends as well.. and I'd like to continue riding with them throughout my life.. I don't want to see them in an accident ever, but I suspect it will happen.. no need for them to be injured when that accident occurs (only 2 types of riders, those who have crashed, and those who will). Hopefully if they're 'all wrapped up', injury will be minimal or better yet, non-existant. Personaly, I know jeans don't cut it - I've a nice bit of road rash on my right hip from a 15mph crash (was hit by a car). The road shreded the jeans in a matter of inches. I had a similar accident 6 months later, when I had my 'Stich.. only I was going faster (30mph), walked away with no injury. That's all I needed.. I'm shutting up. -----Original Message----- My point -- why disciminate, or even judge someone cause of the way they dress when riding. I am a member of abate, here to help other motorcyclists, yet I ride a Sport bike( 1st strike against me), and I dont always where leathers(2nd strike), but I do wear jeans, not for protection, more for comfort. Anyway, Im tired of yapping. HAVE FUN.... isnt that what its about =) Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:18:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17807; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24243 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19960 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic129.cais.com [207.226.56.129]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id IAA19996 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980811083505.006ab5dc@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:35:05 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: I made it! In-Reply-To: <003801bdc4b1$2637f9a0$5873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ahh... It was good to sleep in my own bed again! Thanks too all! 'cept for the rain it was a great trip! Aprox 950 miles and the Mobil 1 still looks clear! I hope we all got home Ok, Mike B 98 ZX 900R At 06:49 PM 8/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >Home achieved at exactly 5:00pm. 964 miles total. > >I hope everyone has made it home safe! > >Thank you everyone! I had a great time, mostly due to a great group of >people! > >Looking forward to the next (hopefully drier) ride! >Bruce > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:35:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18002; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24322 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20164 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-21.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.62]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07475; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002601bdc524$e93fa9c0$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Morris Berman" , "Linda Tanner" Cc: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Source for Stiffening Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:37:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Or perhaps the Container Store (Tysons-Rte. 7 and others). All kinds of shaped plastic and wire (short of Wonderproducts, methinks). Bill S. -----Original Message----- From: Morris Berman >Linda, > >Read Plastics (or any variety of other plastic shops) has Mylar (?), >clear that you can buy in a variety of thicknesses and sheet sizes. The >cost should be < $10.00 and you can pick the thickness that easiest to >work with that is stiff enough. I some stuff that is about 1/3 as thick >as the plastic in my OSI tank bag that is plenty stiff enough. It was >thin enough to run through a sewing machine to put holes in it so that I >could attach it to something else. > >> On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: >> >> > And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make >> > my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm >> > looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to >> > give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not >> > finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as >> > it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL >> > NEED IT. >> > >> > This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but >> > stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've >> > found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when >> > using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. >> > >> > If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would >> > appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. >> > >> > MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will >> > probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: >> > 1) CB radio >> > 2) mini-disk player >> > 3) GPS >> > 4) radar detector (shhhh) >> > 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) >> > 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) >> > >> > LindaT. >> > 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) >> > War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. >> > >> > >-Mb > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX >'96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:38:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18033; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24335 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20227 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6DxU-0001wa-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:55:24 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:54:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4662@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Did they survive WV ? (Long] Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:53:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Glad you're ok, John. Welcome back, guys!! - Jeannette > Hey DC Gang, > > Well, we all made it back in one piece and Brian will be happy to know > that those mofo-squids Glen and Craig failed to wad their bikes ;) > > Ciao, > > JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:47:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18108; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24536 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20353 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id RCZIa04229; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e222cb5.35d04111@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:12 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: pwrtrp@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Did they survive WV ? (Long] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I'm glad to hear your OK! Sounds like you were able to minimize the physical injury. I am also glad to hear that there was no more carnage and everyone had a good time! Tom T. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:57:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18229; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24619 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20606 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6EGV-0004ZC-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:15:03 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:14:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4667@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What a Nice Change... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:13:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Riding in today I didn't even get hot!! Fall is coming, soon! : ) BTW, on the squid thing, I had fun one night while riding home. I shot by these military guys on their bikes & they tried to catch up...(they must've been REALLY NEW 'cause I've only been riding a year on the 15th)...so, they pull up next to me at the light after I've been sitting there a minute or so and try to stare me down. When I looked at them I thought they were going to fall off their bikes. I don't think they expected to see me. I guess I'm a bit of a squid in the city. I commute every day & it gets really, really tiring waiting in traffic, so I tend to lane split, but only when traffic's stopped, at least (well, for the most part) ; ). I've dusted quite a few bikes trying to keep up with me in city traffic. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 10:19:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18654; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24776 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21340 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980811132859.2799.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:28:59 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Did they survive WV ? (Long] To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Cc: Dillon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John the pleasure was all mine... What You didn't like the seat... ;~) hey atleast I didn't make you bang helmets during braking or shifting.... It was a long 300 miles, although I really didn't notice you on the bike except in some of the corners when you initiated the lean for me :-).;D And yes Glenn and I had a MARVELOUS time...I can't wait for Glenn to get a Sport bike... ---"John C. Kozyn" wrote: Craig was kind > enough to ride me 'pillion' (don't anyone say the 'B' word or you'll be > on my 'S' list ;) for 300 miles - not something I'd recommend BTW, the > TL is a very sweet bike in Craig's competent hands, but that pillion > seat leaves much to be desired! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 10:29:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18728; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24914 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21606 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6ElM-0000CL-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:47:12 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:45:45 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F466F@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:45:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain This is awesome. What verbiage! What a way with description! : ) > calimary spread on the pavement. > > gelatinous state across a > half mile of tarmac. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 10:53:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19019; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25689 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22253 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:10:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA25227 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199808111409.KAA25227@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:03:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > > Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in > I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson > in mid-range-torque. > Runs in the family.Dad would dust Ninjas with his 700 Magna,and > Grandpa would blow away kids in Novas and Camaros with his Pontiac > Bonneville 455. > > ..speaking of Magnas...I have both the 700 and the 1100 V65, I've had loads of fun dusting the Ninjas et al in the past, they always gave me this wierd look like "hey, a cruiser can't go that fast!"...now with the V65 (Jenny now rides the 700), it's almost comical...there's just absolutely *no* substitue for brute horsepower... ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 11:10:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19345; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26168 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22732 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id HAA18430 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:27:09 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:27:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What a Nice Change... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:28:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >(they must've been REALLY NEW 'cause I've only been riding a year on the 15th) Yeah, but you (a) ride a lot (practice makes perfect) and (b) look at the talent that you hang out with Michael (when you're as good as we are, it's hard to be modest) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 12:10:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20243; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28197 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24455 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p27dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.59]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18790 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:26:57 -0400 Message-ID: <00e901bdc53c$3e94f120$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:25:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDC51A.B5B68060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDC51A.B5B68060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just found an ME-Z2 rear at Cycles USA. Price was $158, low enough so = that I would be happy to pay that price because it was in stock and I = thought it could probably be mounted some time today or at the latest = some time tomorrow. After all, it is only a tire. Sorry. Earliest = time they can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday = afternoon. I'm ready with my share of the cash for a mounting tool. Can anybody recommend another shop that might have this tire and be able = to mount it the same day? Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg = (my regular tire shop) doesn't have one in stock. Thanks. -- Tom Gimer ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDC51A.B5B68060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just found an ME-Z2 rear at Cycles = USA. =20 Price was $158, low enough so that I would be happy to pay that price = because it=20 was in stock and I thought it could probably be mounted some time today = or at=20 the latest some time tomorrow.  After all, it is only a tire.  = Sorry.  Earliest time they can gouge me for $38 to mount and = balance it is=20 Thursday afternoon.
 
I'm ready with my share of the cash = for a=20 mounting tool.
 
Can anybody recommend another shop = that might=20 have this tire and be able to mount it the same day?  Cycle = Accessory=20 Discounters in Gaithersburg (my regular tire shop) doesn't have one in=20 stock.
 
Thanks.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDC51A.B5B68060-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 12:43:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20643; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29440 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25350 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 328; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:00:45 -0400 Message-ID: <35D06AC1.2F47DC26@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:01:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jon S." CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <001301bdc4cf$32914ee0$6b4d37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon S. wrote: > > Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so much > better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few and far between. > and that your "fullface, > leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you > better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em ride like that in December. Brr. >If your so much > better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 12:52:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20736; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29579 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25664 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p27dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.59]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20370 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <011301bdc542$9654dfa0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Cycles USA and tires: nevermind Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:10:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01BDC521.0054EC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BDC521.0054EC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Called Cycle Accessory Discounters (Dave Yakov's shop) back and found = that they have an ME-Z4 (the dual compound version of the ME-Z2, I = believe) in stock which can be mounted while I wait today. You can't = beat that. -- Tom Gimer ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BDC521.0054EC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Called Cycle Accessory Discounters = (Dave Yakov's=20 shop) back and found that they have an ME-Z4 (the dual compound version = of the=20 ME-Z2, I believe) in stock which can be mounted while I wait = today.  You=20 can't beat that.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BDC521.0054EC00-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 13:04:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20905; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00157 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25952 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-08.dial.nova.org (ra1-08.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.168]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA13790 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend trip report (long and crappy) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:20:45 GMT Message-ID: <35d86de2.342109016@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warning: poorly written obligatory trip report follows. Many details will be left out (to be filled in by others as necessary) and many lies will be told... A hardy group of dc-cyclers met at the Amoco station in Marshall early Saturday, Aug 8. Twelve of us managed to fight off Mr. Sandman, ignore the cloudy skies, and hit the road. Those twelve were: Steve Beck - V-max Mike Benedict - 98 ZX9R Don Burger - F3 Glenn Dysart - Magna 500 Tom Gimer - ZX11 Craig Johnston - TL-S John Kozyn - VFR Anita Lauro - GPZ11 Bruce Norton - 98 VFR Todd Peer - Nighthawk Kirk Roy - Hawk GT Sean Sullivan - F3 On the way down there it started to rain while we were on 211, before heading up to Thornton's Gap. That set the stage - rain was the big thing for both the trip down and the trip back. The only dry twisties we saw Saturday were on US250 (and, strangely enough, the only bit of road I rode with any confidence the whole weekend). At least we did get to scope out some nice stuff on 219 south of Marlinton (barely day trippable from DC, I think). In the dry that piece of road would be a blast. Oh, did I mention that Mr. "I don't ride in the rain" Dysart just bought a rainsuit and decided to leave it at home? Yes, I place the blame for the rain fully on Glenn's head. Jynx and all that... We all arrived safely in Princeton, WV. Our gracious hosts, Bill Sowers and Bill Nabors stopped by Saturday evening to shoot the bull. These guys are WV hospitality personified (that is, excellent). They are also representatives of the Honda Sport Touring Association (with Bill S being the director for both WV and VA - I'll provide contact info if requested). Sunday's ride started out at a brisk pace and broke the group up a bit. Unfortunately, as John has reported, the group broke up even more when John shimmied off the road. We spent much of the rest of the day following Craig with the help of the maps provided by Bill N (who used his trailer to rescue John, thereby missing part of the day's riding). While the roads may have been a bit disappointing, what with the excessive number of straight sections and fairly heavy traffic (snicker, snicker...) we still managed to enjoy ourselves. Bill N caught up with us late into the day and lead us around to a great family style restaurant. At dinner, lunch, rest stops, etc it was easy to see that not only can this group ride but they are also quite competent at shooting the bull... Monday morning greeted us with heavy rain showers washing away our plans to head north through WV. Instead, we slabbed it out to I-81. The rain finally gave way and we took some back roads up to Charlottsville for lunch. Several of us popped straight up 29 while the rest twisted along the country roads to Marshall. Thence the group separated and the trip was over. My personal feelings on the trip as a whole are mixed. Of course, I was disappointed in the rain. More than that though, I never had the usual sensations I feel when riding. I don't know why but I never felt a buzz, a rush, or excitement. My brain was in overdrive entering every corner (is there gravel? decreasing radius? etc). The most enjoyment I got out of the trip was sampling the other bikes, introducing the group to the local roads, and having an administrative function to fulfill (counting heads and such). I don't know if the rain was depressing, if chunking my peg on 250 made me nervous, if finding out Friday that I needed to replace the motor in my car preoccupied my mind, or what. I do think that I saw some improvement in others in the group. Glenn continues to amaze me on his corner carving cruiser; Todd shows why a standard is more than enough; Tom heaves that mammoth around like it was a child's play thing; Craig, well, we don't need to brag Craig up; Steve gets around a lot faster than one would expect for such a big guy on a bike that has very little clearance (thanks for handling sweeper duties too Steve!); etc (I didn't really get to watch too many of the other guys). I'm not sure if I was going really slow or if the other guys have just improved a bunch (they seem to get out every weekend, after all). A bunch of great riders for sure. Oh, where sampling the other bikes is concerned: I rode the Magna, the 98 VFR, the Nighthawk, and Sean's F3. The Magna felt quite nimble. Of course, having my feet out in front of me felt weird but everything else felt fine. I can more easily see the Magna as a corner carver now. The VFR position felt less natural to me than the Magna. I wasn't sure how to steer the thing. I'm sure it wouldn't feel weird to someone used to sportbikes... The star of the show is the motor, a real gem. I don't know that I'm ready for all the weight though. The Nighthawk is too big for me - with Todd's set-up I could barely reach the handlebars. The F3 has a fun motor which felt more than fast enough for a street bike (although I think Sean should take the front end apart and put it back together. Oh, and replace the front brake rotor(s) - you know, the warped one(s)). I couldn't distinguish much between the F3 and the VFR outside of the F3 being buzzier. Happily, nothing about the other bikes I sampled gave me the urge to replace the Hawk. All of them but Glenn's felt heavier and the motors weren't enough for me to give up a bike that's so easy to ride... While the weekend's riding didn't set me on fire I, along with everyone else (John included), had a good time. More importantly, we learned that the roads down there suck and we don't recommend them (snicker, snicker...). We won't be having another trip down there in October so don't plan on it. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 13:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20984; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00325 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26236 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05681; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:27:27 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28DF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:27:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Youch...they charge that much AND want to charge you to mount it??? Most of the time, the local shops at least have the decency to mount a tire bought from them for free (or very reduced price) since they got you for so much on the purchase price.... (although $158 isn't "too" bad for an MEZ.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:25 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Cycles USA and tires > > Just found an ME-Z2 rear at Cycles USA. Price was $158, low enough so > that I would be happy to pay that price because it was in stock and I > thought it could probably be mounted some time today or at the latest some > time tomorrow. After all, it is only a tire. Sorry. Earliest time they > can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday afternoon. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 13:09:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20988; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00329 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26239 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:23:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cunning stunts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hey all, Just got back from the homeland (Minnesota) where we took in the AMA Superbike Event at Brainerd, which featured half-time performances by Gary Rothwell. Words cannot describe this guy's work. Suffice it to say, if you think you'd enjoy watching a guy do mile-long (turn one to turn ten) one-handed 140-mph wheelies, 360-degree feet-up burnouts, two-up stoppies that place his fiance's head inches from the tarmac, fender-scraping wheelies on someone else's borrowed Bandit 1200, you've got to see this. Off the bike, he masquerades as a normal human being. He signs autographs afterwords, and will even let you put your hands inside his GSXR's shredded rear tire. He's performing at the Pocono Cycle Festival (Formula USA) August 28-30. If you can go, go. Even though it means you'll miss my racing debut at Summit Point. Joe Ninja, RD, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 13:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21629; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01635 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27525 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:16:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id NAA24638 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8525665D.005EEDA4 ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:16:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665D.005D619E.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:18:36 -0400 Subject: Confessions of a bait-taker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Overheard at the squid bar several days ago... "Man, I just had to tell y'all how cool I was last night...so my buds and I, all on our race rides, are waiting at a stoplight last night when this guy pulls up next to us on this family-touring-goldwing/concours-lookin thing and OF COURSE he just had to start with us by revving his engine...my guys and I were gonna leave him alone, 'cuz this guy was obviously in deep psychological trouble since he's wearin' long pants, jacket, and gloves in the summer heat while riding, but after he pushed us like that we just had to smoke him! So the light turns green and all of a sudden my throttle cable breaks...I rig something up in McGuyver-like fashion but not before my main dude, Butch, heads past me in hot pursuit...he was busy getting a phone number from the fine-lookin' woman in the Camaro next to us and missed the jump off when the light went 'positive'...anyway, this tour bike guy thought he was all cool scraping his foot-long pegs across the intersection...he's takes off down the straightaway like his wife was gonna spank him if he wasn't home in time for dinner...my throttle cable was still giving me trouble so I couldn't get the GSXYZFRZS up to intercept speed. By the time we approached the next light he was already there waiting with both feet on the ground...this time we just waved so he wouldn't act so out-of-control leaving this light...after all, you have to think of what could happen to countless innocent bystanders when this guy discovers the limits of his bike, right? Hey bartender! One for the road, eh? Its a long ride home and I don't want to get my shorts wet if it starts raining..." ;-) -Doug 81 GS 750 L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 14:07:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21762; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01749 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27733 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:25:13 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFOZa27696 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:24:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 In a message dated 98-08-11 12:54:57 EDT, you write: << I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em ride like that in December. Brr. I think some might remember the torrential downpour I had to experience to get to you guys when some of us went to the battltrax nad buell demo. all I had was jeans, a windbreaker, and gloves. not exactly rain gear... > I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. >> well... Im gonna leave that one alone... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 14:30:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22071; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02128 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28452 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:26 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id NAA19538 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199808111747.NAA19538@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:45:08 -0400 Subject: For all that haven't heard.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35d86de2.342109016@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME *** Motorcycle champion killed (AP) - Three-time NHRA Winston Pro Stock Motorcycle champion John Myers was killed in a non-racing motorcycle accident Sunday near Tuscaloosa, Ala., while riding with friends. Myers, 40, reportedly lost control of his bike and struck a guardrail. He died from massive internal injuries. In addition to his three Winston titles, Myers was a 33-time NHRA national event winner with George Bryce's Star Racing team. He recently left that team, announcing plans to field his own operation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 14:42:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22202; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02688 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28848 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10433; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28E0@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cunning stunts Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Joe, You're taking the upcoming rider school too???!!! I believe lister Jay St. Peter is also going to be taking the school that day. What bike are you racing, the RD? Keep in touch. I'm picking up a 10x20 canopy this week, so I'll have some shade for you fellas. I'm probably going to set up right next to Dawn Cook along the cold pit. We were thinking of putting Bob ? and Dawn's canopies together, and mine behind to make "monster pit", but if we throw a couple extra guys in the space, side by side it'll have to be. I plan on camping there all weekend as well.... > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:22 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cunning stunts > > He's performing at the Pocono Cycle Festival (Formula USA) August 28-30. > If you can go, go. Even though it means you'll miss my racing debut at > Summit Point. > Joe > Ninja, RD, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 15:19:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22765; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04109 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00247 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 301; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:36:41 -0400 Message-ID: <35D08F4F.D96D9957@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:37:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Confessions of a bait-taker References: <8525665D.005D619E.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > Overheard at the squid bar several days ago... > '...anyway, this tour bike > guy thought he was all cool scraping his foot-long pegs across the > intersection...he's takes off down the straightaway like his wife > was gonna spank him if he wasn't home in time for dinner... Ha! :) Good reply! I got a great chuckle out of it! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 15:35:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23042; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04256 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00795 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p27dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.59]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04656; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: <014901bdc559$85f30760$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "Craig Johnston" Subject: Re: Cycles USA and tires: nevermind Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:54:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01BDC537.F5072040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01BDC537.F5072040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had forgotten what a round tire feels like. That was definitely my = major problem this weekend....it now falls right into the corners with = no effort whatsoever. That new rear really helped you this weekend, Glenn. Your riding was = quite impressive. Hopefully we'll get together this weekend to carve = some more turns. Craig (TL=3DTeam Leader) said he's got a route in = mind. BTW, Cycle Accessory Discounters on E. Diamond Ave in Gaithersburg has = plenty of tires (just no ME-Z2 in my size 180/55/17) and had my bike = ready to go before I came back from a 1/2 hour lunch. The ME-Z4 feels really solid (although she isn't fully scrubbed in = yet....we'll see about that later). Also ordered some Progressive fork = springs today. In two weeks the couch will be a little = stiffer.....can't wait for that. -- Tom Gimer -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H. Gimer To: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:05 PM Subject: Cycles USA and tires: nevermind =20 =20 Called Cycle Accessory Discounters (Dave Yakov's shop) back and found = that they have an ME-Z4 (the dual compound version of the ME-Z2, I = believe) in stock which can be mounted while I wait today. You can't = beat that. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01BDC537.F5072040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had forgotten what a round tire = feels=20 like.  That was definitely my major problem this weekend....it now = falls=20 right into the corners with no effort whatsoever.
 
That new rear really helped you this = weekend,=20 Glenn.  Your riding was quite impressive.  Hopefully we'll get = together this weekend to carve some more turns.  Craig (TL=3DTeam = Leader)=20 said he's got a route in mind.
 
BTW, Cycle Accessory Discounters on = E. Diamond=20 Ave in Gaithersburg has plenty of tires (just no ME-Z2 in my size = 180/55/17) and=20 had my bike ready to go before I came back from a 1/2 hour = lunch.
 
The ME-Z4 feels really solid (although she isn't = fully=20 scrubbed in yet....we'll see about that later).  Also ordered some=20 Progressive fork springs today.  In two weeks the couch will be a = little=20 stiffer.....can't wait for that.
 
--
Tom Gimer
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Thomas H. Gimer <tgimer@XXXXXX>
To: = DC=20 Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
D= ate:=20 Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:05 PM
Subject: Cycles USA and = tires:=20 nevermind

Called Cycle Accessory Discounters = (Dave=20 Yakov's shop) back and found that they have an ME-Z4 (the dual = compound=20 version of the ME-Z2, I believe) in stock which can be mounted while I = wait=20 today.  You can't beat that.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0146_01BDC537.F5072040-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 15:41:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23237; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04457 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01135 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA26373; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:58:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]> Tom Gimer wrote: >Earliest time they >can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday afternoon. > >I'm ready with my share of the cash for a mounting tool. I was thinking about this last night while looking over a couple of old carcasses. If those willing to chip in to buy this tool chipped in around $30 each (the average cost of mounting), then it could be purchased for around 17 people (assuming $500). If we can get at least 20 to commit, we can get the tool AND some accessories (like a nice static balancer, crimps for center mount weight, weights, etc..). What I was thinking was to offer the use of the tool to an original set of investers, with benefits. Sort of like an IPO for securities. If you are willing to take the risk to buy the machine, you should and would receive the greater benefit of return. If we get 25 or more people to commit, we can have a tire mounting tool christening party with the xtra proceeds at Glenns (or whomever hosts the tool) for just those that made the commitment. Or just bring the price down for everyone. Popular vote should solve that. Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. The whole idea is to offer incentive to get this thing off the ground. If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for $30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices on this tool. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 16:19:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23849; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06193 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02721 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 369; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980811153709.009f0100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, scraighi@XXXXXX, pwilkins@XXXXXX, szimmerm@XXXXXX, jmarks@XXXXXX, sirpapa@XXXXXX, mikesgirl2000@XXXXXX, rhonda@XXXXXX, abush@XXXXXX, gmachster@XXXXXX, samiller@XXXXXX, dpalmer@XXXXXX, deniset@XXXXXX, anthony.j.drago@XXXXXX, mike_tennyson@XXXXXX, ludden@XXXXXX, shirons@XXXXXX, tmonahan@XXXXXX, Daniel_Sweet@XXXXXX, ricker@XXXXXX, dtsan@XXXXXX, minimidget@XXXXXX, metrocrane@XXXXXX, YSKim@XXXXXX, dmunro@XXXXXX, jbarbacc@XXXXXX, clancwo@XXXXXX, cendicott@XXXXXX, berlh@XXXXXX, drewmunro@XXXXXX, tom@XXXXXX, TZimm2450@XXXXXX, CBMIKE@XXXXXX, WALTER.J.KIM@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This posted March of 1994 - very amusing..... I think the war between the smokers and non-smokers is heating up a bit. I went into a restaurant for lunch the other day and, as is my practice, requested a table in the ``no smoking'' section. They seated me, and I went about the business of ordering and eating my food. Somewhere between the clam chowder and a club sandwich, I caught the smell of nearby burning tobacco. Upon looking around, I noticed the man in the booth next to me smoking a freshly lit cigarette. Overcoming my natural reticence regarding confrontation, I spoke to the man. ``Excuse me, sir, but, when you came in, did you ask to be seated in the no-smoking section?'' ``Yes, I don't like the smell of smoke when I am eating any more than anyone else.'' I asked, ``Then why are you smoking that cigarette?'' ``I've finished eating.'' Silly me, it was obvious to the most casual observer. I called the server over and made her aware of the situation. She pointed out to the man that he was smoking in a No Smoking section (I suspect this was not a startling revelation) and went away with his assurance that he was just leaving. Of course he didn't leave until he had finished that cigarette and lit another. But at least he did finally go. Apparently he had noticed the motorcycle helmet and jacket I was wearing when I came in, because in a minute or so, I noticed him eyeing the Harley parked by the front door. He took out a small notebook, wrote something on a leaf from it, tore off the note, and placed it between the seat and gas tank. His next action took me completely off guard. He looked straight in the window at me, then put his foot against the gas tank and shoved the motorcycle over on its side. He then spun around and ran smack into a very large, bearded fellow who apparently owned the Harley. That which ensued netted him at least one broken bone and hopefully a little jail time. After the police had come and gone, I helped the bearded gentleman right his bike, and noticed the note the man had left. I unfolded it and read: ``This will teach you to mess with smoker's rights.'' I laughed and handed the note to the cigar-chewing biker. I then went around to the other side of the building, got on my BMW, and went back to work. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 16:55:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24293; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06510 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04469 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6Kn7-00041P-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:13:09 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:12:09 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C531@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:11:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm in. - Jeannette > I was thinking about this last night while looking over a couple of > old carcasses. If those willing to chip in to buy this tool chipped > in around $30 each (the average cost of mounting), then it could be > purchased for around 17 people (assuming $500). If we can get at > least > 20 to commit, we can get the tool AND some accessories (like a nice > static balancer, crimps for center mount weight, weights, etc..). > > What I was thinking was to offer the use of the tool to an original > set of investers, with benefits. Sort of like an IPO for securities. > If you are willing to take the risk to buy the machine, you should > and would receive the greater benefit of return. > > If we get 25 or more people to commit, we can have a tire mounting > tool christening party with the xtra proceeds at Glenns (or whomever > hosts the tool) for just those that made the commitment. Or just > bring > the price down for everyone. Popular vote should solve that. > > Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool > outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to > use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is > distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing > their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the > new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. > > The whole idea is to offer incentive to get this thing off the ground. > > If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for > $30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices > on this tool. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:24:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24649; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06797 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05515 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29172 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:41:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980811204152.TCJZ13385@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:41:52 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Tire mounting tool Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdc568$755642a0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sign me up. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. Todd Peer said: If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for $30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices on this tool. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:32:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24765; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06931 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05856 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager ([205.177.20.114]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id QAA23425 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980811164957.006b1150@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:49:57 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires In-Reply-To: <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 8/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for >$30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices >on this tool. > >Todd > > I'm in for $30 to $60 depending on the price etc.. It would cost more than that to get two tires mounted around here. For example Manassas Honda wanted $80 to mount two tires I bought through mail order. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:36:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24896; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06979 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05985 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA14220 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:54:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980811205415.UGDK24844@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:54:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980811205415.UGDK24844@[166.41.242.141]> The trip over to Marshall, VA marked the beginning of my ride with DC-Cycles into Princeton, WV. A bit of struggle, since I got up later than I wanted to and had a little headache to boot (as in, kick in the head). Thanks for the beers the night before Glenn! I left my house at 7:30am knowing for sure I could make 40 Miles by 8:00am. I keep forgetting though that all the little back roads and stops before getting to rt66 cost time. So to get to Marshall on time takes a little creative throttle control ;] You do the math. As I ramped up onto Rt66 from the Ffax Parkway, I saw another motorcycle down road that looked packed for a trip. Had to be one of us. I sped up and recognized Tom Gimer, waved and we rode the rest of the way into Marshall together arriving right at 8:00am on the nose. Partly due to the fact that we were riding pretty quickly and more importantly due to the fact that had a cage not pulled out into the passing lane blocking my progress, I would've spent 20 minutes with the not-so-friendly looking LEO pointing his radar gun at us. The next time I ride out there, I'm leaving earlier :| The ride participants included: DC-Cycles Kirk Roy Glenn Dysart Craig Johnston Bruce Norton Mike Benedict Todd Peer (me) Donald Burger Anita Lauro Steve Beck Sean Sullivan John Kozyn Tom Gimer WV-HSTA contingent Bill Sowers Mona Sowers Bill Nabors Saturday, August 8 We left from Marshall, VA around 8:30am with no incident. Kirk laid out our ride for the day that began south-westerly on 647 out to 522 to 211 west. The sky was grayish and looked like rain with temperatures right around 72 degrees. By the time we got close enough to Sperryville to get excited about the twisties just ahead it started to rain a little, followed by a lot. I pulled over followed by Anita and Steve, to put on our rain gear. Well Steve and I did anyway. Anita thinks rain cloths are silly, so she just got wet :) The rest of the group continued up the hill. Once we got back on the road it was apparent that a fast burn up 211 was out of the question. Wet, wet and more wet. Can you say slide your rear tire, and your front =:o As we approached the top of Thornton Gap it was very foggy and raining. DC-Cycles were parked under the Skyline Drive bridge thinking about....what...turning back? I looked over at Glenn who was wearing a serious scowl. Glenn doesn't believe in riding in the rain, which goes along way to explain why he bought rain gear the day before and decided to leave it home. But more alarming to the poor guy than the fact that it was raining was that his bike was getting....gasp...wet! If you know Glenn, or have seen his bike, you know how compulsively anal he is about keeping it spotless. Well, it is spotless! We futzed around and discussed the situation and after a time we decided to go on. Didn't make much sense sitting around in a rain cloud. And wouldn't you know, at the bottom of the hill there was some sun light and NO rain! The day was beginning to look up as we made a fast burn over New Market Gap. Once in New Market we stopped again for a little cool down and to take off the rain gear (except for Glenn and Anita). Someone discovered a nail in Seans front tire. Fortunately, the nail has scrap and only measure about a 1/4inch, and didn't puncture the tire. Sean is becoming famous for finding nails with his tires (remember DC-Cycles do Deals Gap?). So famous that it was suggested he ride up front to draw all sharp road debris to him and away from his pals :) >From New Market we entered I81 heading south and got off at sr33 in Harrisonburg. A couple of quick maneuvers just before the center of town helped us avoid that little jog around it, and would have saved some time in the process except, we lost a couple riders in the quick left/right over the hill maneuver. We waited at rt42, but Steve and Anita never showed. Time saved; -10 minutes. Oh well. We left to a gas station to gas up and wait to see if they would pass us. Kirk Roy went back to see if he could find them and about the time he returned, Steve came riding the other way saying he and Anita were about a mile down the road, waiting for us! Once we got sorted out and on our way again nothing of note occurred until we got over some of the first fun twisties of sr250 west. There is some construction on bridges that require stop lights on either side to control the one lane. About half of us had already passed the bridge and were resting, when Steve rolled up and told us how some woman in a mommy-van pulled up to lecture him about us motorcyclists. In support of her position she noted that at least one motorcyclist dies every year in that area. I can see it. At speed, sr250 is pretty dangerous. Hmmmmm, Hmmmm? For his polite non-response to this woman, Steve was rewarded with NOT losing his keys. Apparently his house and other important keys had bounced out of his tank-bag and into his right foot peg somewhere along all those twists and turns on sr250. Whoa, lucky dude!! Once again on our way and about .5 hour later, it began to rain. I could see it was not going to get better, so I pulled over to once again put on the rain gear. I finally caught up to everyone about two miles down the rain soaked road (probably thinking they could ride through it) where they were putting on their rain gear. We were about 10 miles from our intended lunching town and spent it all in heavy rain. Once in town we gassed up and sluggishly made the extra block to the Rivers End (?) restaurant. We sat outside on the balcony where we could drape our rain gear and leathers on the rail and watch the rain hit the slow moving river below while enjoying some good food. The owner of the place even offered her drier to anyone who wanted to use it. What a nice lady. By the time we finished our lunch it began to clear up a little in the direction we were heading, but it was still raining where we were. So, back on with the rain gear and off out of Marlinton, WV heading for Princeton. It's sort of a shame it was raining, because sr219 started out with some seriously fun looking corners. Oh well, within a couple miles the rain began to abate and we got to run through the valley at a pretty good clip. We stopped one last time before we got to the motel, at a shell station where sr219 and sr3 intersect. The sun was out and off came the rain gear again. A few pictures were taken and we left, prompted by the big assed cloud in the sky heading our way. I knew where I was in just a few miles, so once on the WV side of sr460, I took off. Sr460 is a lot of straight uphill road and my little cb750 just can't cough out enough ponies to compete with some of the bigger dogs on the trip (Tom, Craig, Sean, and others), who pretty much easily blew by me. We where only 10 miles from the motel, and I had enough of rain (which it just happened to be doing again). By the time we got to the motel, it had stopped raining. We got our rooms, showered and partied and kicked tires until around midnight. Craig and Glenn tempted and thumbed their noses at the rain gods by washing....Washing their bikes!....Sheesh. After pizza, everyone began showing signs of wear. So we turned in, hoping for NO RAIN on Sunday. We lucked out. Sunday, August 9 Bill Nabors, a local, was invited to lead a spirited ride of eager DC-Cyclers. Bill Sowers, the regional HSTA director, hosted the scenery riders. You can learn more about HSTA by going here: http://www.ridehsta.com/ And you can visit Bill S.'s web page here: http://www.localweb.com/mtrspts/ The front page shows a grainy picture of the two Bills to the left of the black Speed Triple (Nabors on the left), and Kirk Roy behind his yellow Hawk. After all where gassed up, Bill N. headed out to I77 for a brisk ride to the Ingleside exit. You've GOT to love those posted 70mph interstates! About 2 miles into the side road (with bits of gravel washout in some of the tighter corners), disaster struck. Our Haitian representative, riding his VFR lost control and crashed off of the road, munching his bike, but VERY fortunately able to walk away from the incident. His apparent speed was around 60mph, so we should all breath a sigh of relief that our pal is still with us. He was wearing a two piece set of leathers which after the crash could have been photographed and used on posters as public service to 'dress for a crash'. Mostly muddy, but definite scarring where human skin would have been on a greater squid. John's full face helmet took a knock to the front which saved his Michael Angelo like features for us to enjoy for quite a time longer:) John was quite diplomatic and obviously upset that this sort of thing happened. In reality, you never know when your number is up, but I couldn't figure it out either. The radius of the corner was so slight that it was hard to see how this happened. But it did. So, as it happened, Bill N. had a trailer he generously offered to bring back to pick up Johns bike and then store in his ample furniture warehouse. John insisted we all continue on our ride and have fun. We left, but had something to think about for the next 5 minutes :). Just kidding. It occurred to me on a couple of occasions that 'crashing sucks'. Sorry John, but on the lighter side we are looking forward to getting you back on the road. By the time we hooked back up with Bill N., Tom Gimer decided to slab it back to the motel due to his rapidly wearing Pirelli rear. So, I wasn't too surprised when I returned to find John and Tom laid out, drinks in hand and slurring about the movies they'd been watching all day. ;) I could go on and on about how great the roads are down in that part of VA/WVA, but that's been done to death. If you get the time, go. Experience it for yourself. Way fun! Highlights for Sunday included a gift shop rest stop at the top of a mountain hosting an observation tower overlook. Glenn and Sean paid $3.50/per to climb around 10 flights of steps for the opportunity to see from a little higher up.....Hmmmmm. We also dined at a family style restaurant in a converted home. It was just like Thanksgiving, but no couch to lie down on and no football to watch afterward. Sunday evening consisted of a party in John and Mikes room, with a trade up of the days experiences. Before bed it had begun to rain :( Monday, August 9. Rain. Not just a misty sprinkle either. Rain! The kind that creates and maintains deep puddles and floods the yard. Serious Rain! We had intended on getting an early start (8am) to ride north through the WVA mountains and then over to VA. But according to the WX Channel, that is precisely where all the rain was. Damn it, I just KNOW Glenn was out there at 3am polishing the grooves in his new tires! So here we are, some of us, sitting in the little breakfast room discussing what we would do. Some were seriously considering renting a one-way truck to get home and take John with his bike as well. =:( That never materialized due to the cost I think. We finally just accepted that we would be riding in rain and got out of Princeton at around 9:15am. For about an hour we rode in steady rain. And then it really opened up! A down pour ensued and gradually tapered off as we passed through Blacksburg, VA to get to I81. Steve Beck, waved us on either calling it quits or deciding on a different route than I81. W/in 5 miles, Tom got a little tired of the 75mph group pace and waved passed us. This action and the fact that we had finally ridden out of the rain, somehow caused a reaction in most everyone else and our organized little group broke up into some sane high speed adventure. All of this, mind you, with John K. perched up on the pillion seat of Craigs TL. What a trooper. We finally got off of I81 at Natural Bridge and took rt11 up to Steeles Tavern to rt56, East. This twisty stretch was a little wet, causing us to just be cool to the top, where we turned onto the BRP, north. We pulled over at sr250 for a rest stop and bike change. I changed up with Tom G. and got a chance to experience full on, neck snapping throttle response. The ZX11 should be outlawed :) Man that thing is fast! We had lunch at Chili's in Charlottesville where half the group broke away for a direct route home. The rest of us made our way up rt601 to rt810 to rt230 to rt29 to rt231 into Sperryville, 522 to 647 into Marshall. This is great stretch to avoid all the police infested main throughways, without losing that much time. This was basically the end of the trip, with John switching over to Toms comfortable, dished out Corbin and Craig saying goodbye to the rest of us; Tom, Me, John, and Glenn. Hats off to Bill Nabors for assisting John and holding his bike for him, Glenn Dysart for immediately offering his assistance to retrieve Johns bike this coming Saturday and Craig for volunteering his pillion seat to John...very cool, and Kirk Roy and Bill Sowers for organizing the trip down and ride sheets once there. With bad WX and all, this turned out to be a pretty nice trip. I believe another one will be planned for this October, so stay tuned. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold. -- Helen Keller From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:58:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25210; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07701 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06717 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6YIa011468; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4dd6b25e.35d0b472@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:15:03 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thats classic... I wish more stupid pricks had that kinda luck. Sean.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25214; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07714 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06755 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:52 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6IIOa04160; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87b58458.35d0b48d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:15:06 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thats classic... I wish more stupid pricks had that kinda luck. Sean.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:16:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25365; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07907 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07276 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6MEJa17154; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6ba9149f.35d0b8b4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:33:36 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: SUZUKI Fuel Pump Problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Ok, took it up to the dealer today, only to realize that I left the key at home. Came back, got the key, headed up there. Once there, one of the guys that works there told me he didnt know how long it would take(in that "I hope you arent in a hurry Tone). He said that almost all suzuki sport bikes are having fuel pump problems. Now, I dont get it, how could my collosal fuel pump in my tl, fit in a katana, or gsxr 600? But thats what he said. I dont think he was jerking me around for more time, this guy doesnt even do the service, but we are on a first name basis, and he's pretty honest with me. Anyone else have any fuel pump problems with suzuki? And any TL owners have any experience with the suzuki gel seat? its about $80 cheaper than corbin(who doesnt even make one for the R yet). I bought the suzuki R tank bra, and it fits perfect, so Im hoping I'll have the same luck with the seat. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:28:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25443; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08060 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07538 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-86.s86.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.86]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09324; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D0BB8E.2DE643BA@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:45:50 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SUZUKI Fuel Pump Problems References: <6ba9149f.35d0b8b4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard a couple of reports of the Fuel inject models fuel pumps going bad. They are definitely different than the fuel pump for the carbuerated models...although I've heard a few people complain about them too, but not many. Most of the other Suzuki models don't have electric fuel pumps. My 93 GSXR (and most of the other models these days) was gravity fed with a vacuum cutoff valve at the tank. Collin CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: . He said that almost all suzuki sport bikes are > having fuel pump problems. Now, I dont get it, how could my collosal fuel pump > in my tl, fit in a katana, or gsxr 600? But thats what he said. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:34:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25491; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08102 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07687 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXJ007P6OPY11@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:51:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:49:07 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001201bdc58b$0455cda0$d74337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Gil wrote: > Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in >I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson >in mid-range-torque. Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your bike have? 8^) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: >> Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > > Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in >I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson >in mid-range-torque. > Runs in the family.Dad would dust Ninjas with his 700 Magna,and >Grandpa would blow away kids in Novas and Camaros with his Pontiac >Bonneville 455. > > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > >'98 Fat Boy (soon) > >Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:45:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25568; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08290 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08123 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02523; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808112159.RAA02523@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]> from "Todd Peer" at Aug 11, 98 02:54:00 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Tom Gimer wrote: > >Earliest time they > >can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday afternoon. > > > >I'm ready with my share of the cash for a mounting tool. > > I was thinking about this last night while looking over a couple of > old carcasses. If those willing to chip in to buy this tool chipped > in around $30 each (the average cost of mounting), then it could be > purchased for around 17 people (assuming $500). If we can get at least > 20 to commit, we can get the tool AND some accessories (like a nice > static balancer, crimps for center mount weight, weights, etc..). > > What I was thinking was to offer the use of the tool to an original > set of investers, with benefits. Sort of like an IPO for securities. > If you are willing to take the risk to buy the machine, you should > and would receive the greater benefit of return. > > If we get 25 or more people to commit, we can have a tire mounting > tool christening party with the xtra proceeds at Glenns (or whomever > hosts the tool) for just those that made the commitment. Or just bring > the price down for everyone. Popular vote should solve that. > > Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool > outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to > use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is > distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing > their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the > new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. or we can add more tool ( toys ). > > The whole idea is to offer incentive to get this thing off the ground. > > If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for > $30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices > on this tool. > > Todd > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:57:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25633; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08531 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08437 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: RE: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:21:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:51 PM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > Anita thinks rain cloths > are silly, so she just got wet :) No, I don't think rain gear is silly... just hadn't needed it until this weekend! :-) But, after I chose Route 11 North rather than ride along with you guys I finally learned the folly of my ways.... six hours of pouring down rain!!! I don't think I've ever been that soaked before! :-) Worse part was on Rte 66 near Marshall where I got caught by a severe thunderstorm... it was raining so hard I couldn't see a d*mn thing, so I had to take the next exit to wait for it to subside a bit. Anyhow, in spite of the rain I had a great time. I should say a special "Thanks" to Bill and Mona Sowers for leading the "slowpokes" of the group (myself and a friend of theirs on a Windjammer 750 who actually rode slower than I did). We did pretty much the same route as the other folks, but at a "sightseeing pace" (at least on the curves). Actually, Bill and Mona took the roads at a brisk pace, but waited for us to catch up at the next intersection. It worked out great. On the straights we had a little bit of fun... between my GPZ and their FJ we left Windjammer behind a few times! :-) Anyhow, great mix of nice people and fantastic roads... thanks to Kirk for organizing the trip, and thanks to the rest of the group for not telling *too* many sheep jokes!!! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (950 accident free miles and counting) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 19:06:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25706; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08681 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08635 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EXJ00JYKQ7FUZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:23:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:21:12 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires To: Todd Peer , DC Cycle Club Message-id: <007f01bdc58f$7f935880$d74337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Todd, count me in for the tire machine. I can chip in whatever it takes to get one. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Thomas H. Gimer Cc: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires > >Tom Gimer wrote: >>Earliest time they >>can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday afternoon. >> >>I'm ready with my share of the cash for a mounting tool. > >I was thinking about this last night while looking over a couple of >old carcasses. If those willing to chip in to buy this tool chipped >in around $30 each (the average cost of mounting), then it could be >purchased for around 17 people (assuming $500). If we can get at least >20 to commit, we can get the tool AND some accessories (like a nice >static balancer, crimps for center mount weight, weights, etc..). > >What I was thinking was to offer the use of the tool to an original >set of investers, with benefits. Sort of like an IPO for securities. >If you are willing to take the risk to buy the machine, you should >and would receive the greater benefit of return. > >If we get 25 or more people to commit, we can have a tire mounting >tool christening party with the xtra proceeds at Glenns (or whomever >hosts the tool) for just those that made the commitment. Or just bring >the price down for everyone. Popular vote should solve that. > >Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool >outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to >use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is >distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing >their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the >new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. > >The whole idea is to offer incentive to get this thing off the ground. > >If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for >$30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices >on this tool. > >Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 19:43:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25929; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09036 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09459 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA02685; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808112303.TAA02685@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Jon S.) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001201bdc58b$0455cda0$d74337a6@default> from "Jon S." at Aug 11, 98 05:49:07 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Gil wrote: > > Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in > >I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson > >in mid-range-torque. > > Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your bike have? > 8^) > Right. If you want to deal with something in over-1000-cc class, I willbe obliged to deliver. Knowing Tom G he will also assist.... > Jon > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 20:22:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26095; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09354 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10009 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id TAA11834; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:41:23 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa10966; Tue, 11 Aug 98 19:39:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXJ008DSTJ4XQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525665D.00817E28 ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:34:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:32:42 -0400 Subject: Re: SUZUKI Fuel Pump Problems To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525665D.00815717.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Does the TLR really take a different seat than the std TL? I would think that would be a part they wouldn't change .... Just curious, chris To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Date: 08/11/98 09:33:36 PM GMT Subject: SUZUKI Fuel Pump Problems --snip-- And any TL owners have any experience with the suzuki gel seat? its about $80 cheaper than corbin(who doesnt even make one for the R yet). ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 21:08:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26636; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09561 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10779 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01003; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:24:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Anita Lauro cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: RE: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When is the next ride? sounds like fun... well except the water part -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:51 PM, Todd Peer > [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Anita thinks rain cloths > > are silly, so she just got wet :) > > No, I don't think rain gear is silly... just hadn't needed it until this > weekend! :-) > > But, after I chose Route 11 North rather than ride along with you guys I > finally learned the folly of my ways.... six hours of pouring down > rain!!! I don't think I've ever been that soaked before! :-) Worse > part was on Rte 66 near Marshall where I got caught by a severe > thunderstorm... it was raining so hard I couldn't see a d*mn thing, so I > had to take the next exit to wait for it to subside a bit. > > Anyhow, in spite of the rain I had a great time. I should say a special > "Thanks" to Bill and Mona Sowers for leading the "slowpokes" of the > group (myself and a friend of theirs on a Windjammer 750 who actually > rode slower than I did). We did pretty much the same route as the other > folks, but at a "sightseeing pace" (at least on the curves). Actually, > Bill and Mona took the roads at a brisk pace, but waited for us to catch > up at the next intersection. It worked out great. On the straights we > had a little bit of fun... between my GPZ and their FJ we left > Windjammer behind a few times! :-) > > Anyhow, great mix of nice people and fantastic roads... thanks to Kirk > for organizing the trip, and thanks to the rest of the group for not > telling *too* many sheep jokes!!! :-) > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (950 accident free miles and counting) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 21:19:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26688; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09739 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11053 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic92.cais.com [207.226.56.92]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id UAA29966 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01bdc5a2$2aa879a0$5c38e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: tire mount training Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:34:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDC567.7D770F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDC567.7D770F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would also be willing to get an old rim from a scrapyard that we = could use to teach folks (like myself) who have never used one of these = machines, before we try it on our own wheels. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDC567.7D770F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I would=20 also be willing to get an old rim from a scrapyard that we could use to = teach=20 folks (like myself) who have never used one of these machines, before we = try it=20 on our own wheels.
 
Mike = B.
98 ZX=20 900R
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDC567.7D770F60-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 21:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27061; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10034 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11543 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA29227; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:06:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.110.28]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812010632.VUFM24844@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:06:32 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "CBR List" , "HSTA" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: 98 TT Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:06:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc58d$700861a0$1c6e29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little (taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 21:52:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27087; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10047 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11565 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27230 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) In-Reply-To: <4dd6b25e.35d0b472@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm.. In addition to vandalism, I hope that loser gets charged with a misdemeanor for violating the non-smoking ordinance... -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 22:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27208; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10109 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11748 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02828; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808120120.VAA02828@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Jon S.) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <007f01bdc58f$7f935880$d74337a6@default> from "Jon S." at Aug 11, 98 06:21:12 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Todd, count me in for the tire machine. I can chip in whatever it takes to > get one. > > Jon Schumer since I started this whole idea... count me in, please. _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 22:31:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27432; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10238 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12116 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02882; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808120151.VAA02882@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: tire mount training To: wowbager@XXXXXX (Mike B.) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001b01bdc5a2$2aa879a0$5c38e2cf@wowbager> from "Mike B." at Aug 11, 98 08:34:51 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > I would also be willing to get an old rim from a scrapyard that we = > could use to teach folks (like myself) who have never used one of these = > machines, before we try it on our own wheels. > > Mike B. > 98 ZX 900R > maybe 2 or 3..... there is much more uneducated riders then bike experts.... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... PS: Mike, can you disable http attachments ? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 23:12:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27750; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10464 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12654 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA13731; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D12975.3FC6@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:34:45 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:18 EDT, Sean G. Petr opined: > I might be wrong, > but it just seems ironic. I mean, to get a bike, to be more free... then only > to find that your own kind wont accept you because you arent all wrapped up. The problem here Sean is that you assume all bikers are alike. As I've been telling my nine-year-old for years: "People are different." I used to be more tolerant about your attitude I guess, but not anymore. I've seen too much shit happen since I started riding bikes 27 years ago. > My point -- why disciminate, or even judge someone cause of the way they dress > when riding. Why? Because as someone pointed out (Gil maybe? D-mode here folks :) there is a camraderie that has developed here on group rides, a sharing/caring dynamic which manifests itself in small and large ways. I guess everyone that is _serious_ about engaging themselves in this milieu - at least the people I know here best - feels that it would not be fair to place undue burden or responsibility on their fellow riders in the event of an unfortunate incident. And, just how might this responsibility manifest itself you may ask? Well for starters, seeing someone who is not all "wrapped up", bleeding and writhing in pain from having their hide scraped against asphalt or concrete for 100 feet after a fall. Your riding comrades will, in all likelihood, feel a "meta-responsibility" for your condition in such an accident. Yet even then some might not want to go near you, bloody and all, since it was completely preventable and who knows if you're HIV+ or not, etc.... How would you feel if people you were riding with actually walked away from you uncaringly after such an event?? But if you are so wedded to your individualistic position, why should that matter to you...? And, had someone with sufficient courage told that under-dressed person from the get-go that their outwardly manifested behaviour is actually _worrying_ others, then just maybe that person might have either: 1) Agreed, and quickly returned home to dress appropriately or, 2) Popped everyone the bird and drove off on his/her own... Either option would satisfy the group since the first would reinforce behaviour more in keeping with the wishes of the majority, and the second would not place responsibility (of any kind - meta or otherwise) should that rider suffer an unfortunate incident.... C'est la guerre. Maybe another tack I might take in trying to explicate this thorny thread (and I for one don't really care how long this gets talked about, because I _know_ it will come up again - at least until it gets cooler outside ;) is to point out the contrast between individualistic vs. communitarian ways of thinking. In the specific example we're talking about, an individualistically-oriented person will make remarks similar to yours cited above - freedom etc... But, I am willing to argue, when you engage in a communal activity - no matter what it is actually - you will generally absorb and display the overall behaviours of the group. If you don't you'll be ostracized or shunned. Imagine going to a dinner with new friends and you start behaving like John Belushi in Animal House (you get the picture...) Same deal with some of the rides on DC-Cycles AFAIC Like I said, I think this issue will come up again. Now on a more personal note: I had a mishap the other day. _Everyone_ came to see if I was OK. Why? Because I was part of that communal activity (such concern would have been displayed for each and everyone of us). I was wearing full leathers and a decent helmet. I walked away. Everyone was relieved. Had I not been "wrapped up" it would have been far worse and my fellow riders might have been faced with the really negative spectacle of having to see me bloody, sprawled out in front of them, thereby ruining _their_ day. See, at base it's really existential! "Ask yourself, what if everyone acted that way?" Yeah OK, in an individualistic world that's OK. But you can't have it both ways. You can't be individualistic and want to partake/engage in a group at the same time. That is, as Marx would say, a "contradiction" and contradictions do not make an authentic person. Moral of the story? Don't wear a helmet or leathers for yourself on group rides. Do it for everyone else so that they don't have to witness you being hurt any more than you _have_ to be should a mishap befall you. Think of it as "communal individualism" maybe. When you ride by yourself I don't give a FF what you wear. I don't have to see you if you get an accident. When you ride with others, they are _forced_ to see that. Spare them from feeling for your pain if it's avoidable and preventable. That's not a cramp in your freedom. That's called caring in a responsible fashion about your friends/comrades. Yours in quasi-existentialist philosophical rambling, JK N.B. Sean, I've never seen anyone on this list discriminated against for riding a sport bike. They usually get most of the approving glances - especially if they know how to ride them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:14:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28573; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10866 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13461 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WSDKa19317 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:30:52 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <975f0696.35d10c6d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:30:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-11 19:52:46 EDT, you write: << Right. If you want to deal with something in over-1000-cc class, I willbe obliged to deliver. Knowing Tom G he will also assist... >> Id be happy to assist in any way I can as well. My TL just LOVES low and midrange contests ; ). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:18:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28721; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10877 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13498 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA15119; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Frank Artes Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <35d90c05.302623494@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:24:15 -0400 (EDT), Frank Artes wrote: >When is the next ride? sounds like fun... well except the water part Heck, the water was the best part! :-) =20 Gave me the opportunity to convince all the cagers on Rte 11 from Natural Bridge to Staunton that motorcyclists really ARE crazy! :-) Side note... had a conversation with my brother who, I'm ashamed to admit, has a Harley in his garage that he never rides: Brother: It was raining? [Gasp!] What did you do? Anita: I rode in it... how the hell else was I going to get home? He went on to say that he had never ridden in the rain, and from the way he was going on about it, I think he thought there was some physical impossibility to the feat. As for why he has the Harley, I can't figure it out. He had a BSA (that he didn't ride) and he sold it to buy the Sportster (that he doesn't ride). =20 Maybe we're not really related! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (3150 miles since 6/26, rain or shine!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:19:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28734; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10881 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13507 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf173.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.173]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA21525 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006401bdc5a2$73664d20$43b1fea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Anyone here riding an FJ1100 or FJ1200? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:36:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Curious if anyone here owns one of these beasts. We are getting together to order in bulk the Valve Bucket tool which seems to be hard to get. The more we get, the easier it will be. If you need info, visit http://www.fj1100.com Thanks. gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:30:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28852; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10930 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13681 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup4.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EXK00K5058J2B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:48:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:45:51 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <005201bdc5bc$da41a2a0$044c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Dale wrote: >Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >and far between. I didn't know that the Concours was limited production......... well, I could say a whole lot about your "rare" bike, but I don't want to get too personal. We could argue forever. Everyone has their own outlook on other people. Yours seems to be a little more close minded, opinionated, and snooty. Now I know where you stand. Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your "rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a "real rider" in action. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: Jon S. Cc: DC Cycles List Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >Jon S. wrote: >> >> Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so much >> better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" > >Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >and far between. > >> and that your "fullface, >> leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you >> better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. > >I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. >These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of >raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em >ride like that in December. Brr. > >>If your so much >> better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? > >I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. >I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike >is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:37:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28892; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11004 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13771 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:53:08 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:52:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdc5a4$adbb8ce0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28DF@MSCEX> Importance: Normal While it's a bit out of the way, there's a place in Ohio I called while on vacation on the Wing. They had the tire I needed, in stock, and were willing to mount it that day for only $15. Can't remember the price of the tire (think it was about $120, which is around $15 more than mail order, but throw in shipping and handling...) Maybe I'll head out there to get the front tire done. As good an excuse for a ride as I can think of. Hmm.... I'll have to check the distance. Out there, swap tire, come back. Could be an IBA run... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:40:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28902; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11013 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13813 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:56:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:55:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdc5a5$1bedffe0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]> Importance: Normal I'm in. $30. More if needed. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:42:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28926; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11142 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13845 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:58:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Michael Troutman" , Subject: RE: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:57:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdc5a5$63900320$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980811153709.009f0100@www.troutman.org> Importance: Normal As a smoker and a biker, I gotta say that bastard got exactly what he deserved. Before I smoked, I hated the smoke stench. Still do, to be honest. I try to be decent about it. Screw him for being a prick. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:46:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28947; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11538 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13880 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:01:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: 98 TT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bdc5a5$e82ed160$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <000001bdc58d$700861a0$1c6e29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Importance: Normal Do you have a way to dub tapes? Sadly, Jones doesn't have speedvision here. Gotta make way for Home and Garden TV, I suppose. (BTW, do we really need CNN, CNN HN, and MSNBC????) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:58:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29063; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11766 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14132 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA07862; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:15:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: George Howell cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: <000101bdc4bc$97c1d400$0100a8c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: [snips] > Any good way to check runout on rims? > Clamp a dial gauge to a stand; move it to "almost touching" wheel; spin wheel. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 01:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29229; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12001 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14387 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08703; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:34:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:33:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001201bdc58b$0455cda0$d74337a6@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jon S. wrote: > Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your bike have? 74 cui. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 01:27:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29318; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12066 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14446 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6GBTa27698; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9b63f800.35d11db3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:44:30 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 poetic justice at its finest! Bummer about the guy's bike though. I dread the thought of someone knocking my bike over or doing any other type of vandalism (burning it comes to mind :( especially over something so stupid! I've actually had some riders of a particular brand of bike (I won't say what kind but the initials are Harley Davidson... oops!) speak of burning Jap bikes. I'd much rather get in a fight with someone and get the sh*t beaten out of me then get my bike damaged. Call me strange, but my bike can't defend itself. It's cowardice to attack property. Anyway, I hope the asshole gets what he deserves!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "Lost Puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 01:29:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29334; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12105 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14456 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08749; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:44:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:38:48 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <975f0696.35d10c6d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > << Right. If you want to deal with something in over-1000-cc class, I > willbe obliged to deliver. Knowing Tom G he will also assist... >> > Id be happy to assist in any way I can as well. My TL just LOVES low and > midrange contests ; ). Right.I'll take you all on.Of course,since this is a midrange contest (I won't even try top-end racing fully faired bikes with a nudie) we'll all limit our engines to say,5k rpm?That's mid-range right? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 02:48:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00226; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12655 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15256 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.53]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:04:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:04:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc5b7$01aacde0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Geez. I don't know if the ZL600 will even move if you try to start it at less than 5k. :) Wonder if somebody has a GL1500C for this contest. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 07:40:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03995; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15587 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00865 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:58:07 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525665E.003CDA37 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:04:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Jon S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.003C7777.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:04:37 -0400 Subject: Re: POCONO RACES --- Please Read Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline We haven't found a place to stay yet(anyone have any ideas?) These are some numbers I have for motels in the area. The numbers are a few years old, but I would guess they are still valid. Pocono Mountain Lodge - 717-443-8461 Days Inn - 717-443-0391 Ramada - 717-443-8471 Mt. Laurel Lodge 717-443-4811 Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 08:27:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04634; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15763 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19117 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18067 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:44:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:44:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I knew it would happen. I wish I had heard you talking about just going up US 11. I remember hearing the weather in Elkins as raining heavily. I figured it was heading east that's why I suggested we head towards Charlottesville where the sun was out. :-) Anyhow, glad you made it home OK. We didn't see anymore rain, just some wet roads. Glenn > But, after I chose Route 11 North rather than ride along with you guys I > finally learned the folly of my ways.... six hours of pouring down > rain!!! I don't think I've ever been that soaked before! :-) Worse > part was on Rte 66 near Marshall where I got caught by a severe > thunderstorm... it was raining so hard I couldn't see a d*mn thing, so I > had to take the next exit to wait for it to subside a bit. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 08:43:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04793; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15854 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19324 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:00:04 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 12 Aug 1998 07:59:58 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 12 Aug 1998 07:59:58 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0030F35D183BE011-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0030F35D183BE011 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0030F35D183BE011*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:59:58 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires Message-Id: <0030F35D183BE011*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Count me in as well. ---------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 08:43:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04794; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15850 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19311 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:59:22 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 12 Aug 1998 07:59:19 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 12 Aug 1998 07:59:19 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0030F35D18397004-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0030F35D18397004 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0030F35D18397004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:59:19 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: dc-cycles (IPM Return requested), "John C. Kozyn" (IPM Return requested) cc: "CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] Message-Id: <0030F35D18397004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> John, Very well put! I agree 100%. Hopefully others will agree as well. Don B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 08:45:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04831; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15861 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19382 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18873 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: 3-day trip..? did they survive WV Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:03:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Super-squids? That's the pot calling the kettle black! :-) Glenn > I'm kinda curious to find out if everyone actually made it through the > trip... or did super-squids Glen and Craig wad each others bikes doing > mach 13 on a gravely backroad.. (ok, mach 11 for Geln on the V30 - > smaller engine and all) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 09:05:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05025; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15971 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19728 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p7dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.39]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA30871 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <020801bdc5ec$4eb9e000$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:25:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 M Street in Georgetown sounds like a good road for Gil and Jack to have their little contest, doesn't it? ;-D -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights >In a message dated 98-08-11 19:52:46 EDT, you write: > ><< Right. If you want to deal with something in over-1000-cc class, I > willbe obliged to deliver. Knowing Tom G he will also assist... >> > >Id be happy to assist in any way I can as well. My TL just LOVES low and >midrange contests ; ). > >Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 09:16:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05102; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16029 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19907 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p7dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.39]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA30442; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01fc01bdc5ea$257cd8c0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: 98 TT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:09:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Nothin' like motorcycle racing in the rain :-< ....it seems strange to me that they went ahead with it in those conditions. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Tanner To: CBR List ; HSTA ; Dc-Cycles Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:03 PM Subject: 98 TT >For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and >will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little >(taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective >racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 09:36:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05461; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16588 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20246 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6aQb-00064z-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:54:57 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C539@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:53:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened to me this morning. I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:02:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05796; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17419 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20724 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6apr-00025u-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:21:03 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C53A@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:19:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree as well. It took a female rider friend of mine constantly bitching at me to wear my "damn jacket!!" that finally had me wearing it regularly...I won't say I'm perfect, though, when I go to the gym I don't wear it, but I agree with John, especially on the faster, more challenging rides, to go without protection is tempting fate. Every time someone I know goes down & is ok because of their gear, it further cements my dedication to wearing my leathers. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:59 AM > To: dc-cycles; John C. Kozyn > Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] > > John, > Very well put! I agree 100%. Hopefully others will agree as well. > > Don B. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:04:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05817; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17606 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20770 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:20:28 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:22:45 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: CBMIKE@XXXXXX, drewmunro@XXXXXX, dtsan@XXXXXX, gmachster@XXXXXX, metrocrane@XXXXXX, sirpapa@XXXXXX, TZimm2450@XXXXXX, WALTER.J.KIM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, berlh@XXXXXX, dmunro@XXXXXX, ricker@XXXXXX, mikesgirl2000@XXXXXX, anthony.j.drago@XXXXXX, cendicott@XXXXXX, shirons@XXXXXX, clancwo@XXXXXX, mike_tennyson@XXXXXX, abush@XXXXXX, YSKim@XXXXXX, ludden@XXXXXX, dpalmer@XXXXXX, deniset@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, minimidget@XXXXXX, rhonda@XXXXXX, tom@XXXXXX, tmonahan@XXXXXX, samiller@XXXXXX, jbarbacc@XXXXXX, jmarks@XXXXXX, pwilkins@XXXXXX, scraighi@XXXXXX, szimmerm@XXXXXX, Daniel_Sweet@XXXXXX Subject: Smoker's Rights (mc related) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Dang! Didn't that guy know from all the movies that bikers are homicidal maniacs? Maybe those cigs weren't all tobacco . . . Ah, paybacks. Joe 2 riceburners, an H-D/Aermacchi and a '68 Shovel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:09:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05956; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17786 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20836 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 13:27:21 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11436 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C531@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 30 dollah? Me love you long time.. I'm in. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:14:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06013; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17855 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20947 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:32:29 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTSTa17154 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a1eed92.35d1994c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:31:55 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-12 02:06:36 EDT, you write: << Right.I'll take you all on.Of course,since this is a midrange contest (I won't even try top-end racing fully faired bikes with a nudie) we'll all limit our engines to say,5k rpm?That's mid-range right? ;-) >> Likely story! How about that top end contest tho? To be perfectly honest, Id definitely give you a run for your money in that 0-6000RPM run. What kind of torque does that Buell have? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:17:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06044; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17924 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21019 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:39 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTBa003888 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights- M St Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-12 09:14:53 EDT, you write: << M Street in Georgetown sounds like a good road for Gil and Jack to have their little contest, doesn't it? ;-D >> Been there, done that. Ate up a few 4 cylinders out there. But ever since my "accident" a month ago on M St. Ive kept it rather sane in GTown. Jack PS- actually Id have a problem doing a 0-6000 race from a standing start...the FRONT END WONT STAY DOWN!!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:21:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06085; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18070 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21105 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA13265 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812133929.XNBG24844@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:39:29 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: 98 TT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdc5f6$a0cc1d40$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <01fc01bdc5ea$257cd8c0$3bf31bce@richard> Importance: Normal I haven't watched it all, just pieces. It appears they shortened the main event from 6 laps (37.75 miles each) to 3 and then to 2 because of the rain. I'll post more when I actually see it (assuming anyone is actually interested). LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H. Gimer [mailto:tgimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:10 AM To: Linda Tanner; Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: 98 TT Nothin' like motorcycle racing in the rain :-< ....it seems strange to me that they went ahead with it in those conditions. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Tanner To: CBR List ; HSTA ; Dc-Cycles Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:03 PM Subject: 98 TT >For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and >will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little >(taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective >racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:26:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06131; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18212 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21244 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBKNa04180 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <301957cc.35d19c29@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:44:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 Im in as well.... Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:33:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06285; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18312 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21396 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:49:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:04 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, hsta@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX Subject: 98 TT -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline How 'bout the sidecar monkey that leaned into the fence and got scrubbed off the rig? Ouch! >>> "Linda Tanner" - 8/11/98 9:06 PM >>> For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little (taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:37:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06326; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18350 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21509 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:56:29 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013AD@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:54:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Umm.. I do believe that most face shield today are UVA/UVB potective.. I know mine are on the Arai (both tint and clear)... why are you putting on sunscreen for a morning ride to work anyway? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:44:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06420; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18617 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21748 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA07106 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:02:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:46:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06443; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18687 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21802 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:41 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: wowbager@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire mount training -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Not a bad idea with the scrap rims, but those changers are pretty gentle, since they use a soft nylon "bit" to remove the tire. You do have to get the tire started with a traditional iron, though. Joe >>> - 8/11/98 9:51 PM >>> > > I would also be willing to get an old rim from a scrapyard that we = > could use to teach folks (like myself) who have never used one of these = > machines, before we try it on our own wheels. > > Mike B. > 98 ZX 900R > maybe 2 or 3..... there is much more uneducated riders then bike experts.... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... PS: Mike, can you disable http attachments ? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:49:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06493; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18858 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21980 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA24179; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812140711.XUVJ24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Distribution@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Mounting Tool Confirmation X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812140711.XUVJ24844@[166.41.242.141]> I confirm you have pledged at least $30 toward the purchase of a tire mounting tool. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:50:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06502; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18884 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21999 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24118 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:06:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:06:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) J, the key is to use sunscreen that is Paba free. Paba is what burns the eyes. I use the Coppertone Sport (in the blue bottle). Its Paba free and is a dry lotion too. So no greasy sunblock and no Paba... what could be better for us fair skinned people? Glenn > I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened > to me this morning. > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair > skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:53:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06541; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18948 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22074 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:29 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone here riding an FJ1100 or FJ1200? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline For that tool, try Dennis Kirk (800-328-9280). Part # 28-271. $15.99. They have a tech support line too. Joe '85 900 Ninja From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:54:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06570; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18978 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22116 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA30699 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812141228.XWEF24844@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:28 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: 98 TT -Reply Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdc5fb$3bed1be0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal That LOOKED painful, but he got up... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. -----Original Message----- From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:52 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cbr@XXXXXX; hsta@XXXXXX; linda.tanner@XXXXXX Subject: 98 TT -Reply How 'bout the sidecar monkey that leaned into the fence and got scrubbed off the rig? Ouch! >>> "Linda Tanner" - 8/11/98 9:06 PM >>> For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little (taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:58:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06628; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19027 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22192 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC8F@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Hmmm, my glasses fit inside with my melon. Darkened, tinted shield (I know, $50) keeps the sun off, and you look more menacing when people can't see your mug. Add a radar gun and a big box of doughnuts, and people will think you're a moving speed trap. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:53 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Surprise Hazard... > > I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened > to me this morning. > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair > skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:02:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06698; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19274 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22294 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:17:47 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:21 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: sbeck@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: POCONO RACES --- Please Read -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Ad in Motorcyclist: For tickets and info: 800-939-9372 or www.formulausa.com. Joe >>> - 8/12/98 7:04 AM >>> We haven't found a place to stay yet(anyone have any ideas?) These are some numbers I have for motels in the area. The numbers are a few years old, but I would guess they are still valid. Pocono Mountain Lodge - 717-443-8461 Days Inn - 717-443-0391 Ramada - 717-443-8471 Mt. Laurel Lodge 717-443-4811 Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:17:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06946; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19905 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22743 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:41:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:32 AM, WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] wrote: > Likely story! How about that top end contest tho? > To be perfectly honest, Id definitely give you a run for your money in that > 0-6000RPM run. What kind of torque does that Buell have? Okay, okay... if we can make it 0-4000 rpm, I'm definitely in! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:19:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06992; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19928 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22772 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA09322; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:37:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812143704.YCJU24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:37:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Gary Foreman" CC: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Anyone here riding an FJ1100 or FJ1200? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812143704.YCJU24844@[166.41.242.141]> What valve bucket tool are you looking for? If it is the tool with a little suction cup on the end of it, forget it...use your thumb and forfinger to pull on the bucket. Make sure all oil journals are closed off and anywhere else a shim might fall into, and just pull up on the bucket. Keep a magnet around to retrieve the shim if needed. Todd Message-ID: <006401bdc5a2$73664d20$43b1fea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Anyone here riding an FJ1100 or FJ1200? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:36:50 -0400 Curious if anyone here owns one of these beasts. We are getting together to order in bulk the Valve Bucket tool which seems to be hard to get. The more we get, the easier it will be. If you need info, visit http://www.fj1100.com Thanks. gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:21:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07009; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19950 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22791 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:39:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:54 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More info on cheap motor oil... Per Matt Bennett's suggestion, I visited the Target in Bowie (MD) at the intersection of Routes 50 and 301 yesterday evening. They currently stock "race-proven, fully synthetic" 15W50 Mobil 1 motor oil for $3.19 a quart. No, they're not having a sale on it either; that's the regular price. They have Castrol's Syntec too, but it's $3.34 per quart. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:25:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07072; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20019 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibmmail.COM (known ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22867 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 1777 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:43:15 EDT Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:42:48 EDT Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525665E.00510E51 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:45:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.005063D5.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:41:54 -0400 Subject: Tire changing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I am not known to most of the list as I usually lurk, but I have a need/interest in the tire changing equipment. I do all my own wrenching on my Sportster and and now the Wife's Shadow (bought from Aki), but I have not done tires. And at $40.00 per wheel (off the bike already) I need to learn. So if the equipement will be in the No. Va area, count me in...... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:30:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07131; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20068 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22970 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA08486 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool In-Reply-To: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm in as well. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:34:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07158; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20135 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23052 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA32700; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812145201.XMND13385@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:52:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Jon S." CC: DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812145201.XMND13385@[166.41.242.141]> See what Jon doesn't understand is that not even a year ago, Dale listed all the things he felt were totally outside of what a motorcycle should be, digital guages, big pieces of plastic, lack of kick starters,....and on. Now Dale is riding one of these blasphamous machines! Get him on a real sport bike, and I'm sure he'll change the tune. Come on Jon! Dale is confessing to being a squid-baiter, and you're falling right for it! ;) Todd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:45:51 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <005201bdc5bc$da41a2a0$044c37a6@default> Dale wrote: >Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >and far between. I didn't know that the Concours was limited production......... well, I could say a whole lot about your "rare" bike, but I don't want to get too personal. We could argue forever. Everyone has their own outlook on other people. Yours seems to be a little more close minded, opinionated, and snooty. Now I know where you stand. Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your "rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a "real rider" in action. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: Jon S. Cc: DC Cycles List Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >Jon S. wrote: >> >> Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so much >> better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" > >Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >and far between. > >> and that your "fullface, >> leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you >> better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. > >I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. >These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of >raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em >ride like that in December. Brr. > >>If your so much >> better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? > >I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. >I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike >is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:38:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07238; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20203 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23136 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.57]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:53:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc600$fb3e36a0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C539@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Don't use sunscreen under the helmet for that reason. Face shields usually block the UV, so you don't burn. As far as eyes go, I have to get mine dilated today to check for retinal tears. No bike for me today (First wednesday in a long time sans bike) Why no bike? If I get my eyes dilated at 2:00, they might not have gone back to normal until 8:00 or so this evening:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:42:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07297; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20365 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23333 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26348 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:57:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:57:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well I guess you guys have heard most of the story so far. It was an excellent ride on Sunday (except for John) despite the rain on the way down Saturday and the torrential downpour coming back. We saw many very twisty roads that you can only dream of. All the people were great, local and DC Cycle people. I especially want to thank Kirk for organizing this thing. Without his help I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as fun. I also want to thank Craig for doing most of the leading (except that he bypassed one section of good road) :-). I also want to thank Steve for always staying in the back to make sure everyone makes it. Saturday as you know we met in Marshall and took our usual routes over to I-81. Along the way it just had to rain on the good section of US 211. I almost turned around but someone said "It can't rain all three days"...yeah right! Anyhow we made it to Princeton in the early evening and ordered Pizza and had beer and shooting the crap before calling it quits. Sunday we awoke to sunny skies and after I washed the bike we were met by the two Bills. Bill N led the faster paced group until he had to recover John's bike. Craig took over from there. All I can say is what a fantastic spot in the eastern US for riding. Just about every road we went on had 15, 25, 30, and 35 MPH turns. I was able to scrub in my new rear tire real quick. As the day went on we finally met up with Bill N again waiting to take us on more fine roads before having an excellent dinner. Tom G. pealed off to save his tire for Monday which was going to be another great ride. Anyhow, Bill kept giving people the opportunity to peal off at different stopping points. Craig and I couldn't get enough as we rode till dark and then headed back to the hotel to find everyone having a good time. Monday we awoke to a good downpour which made the hotel look like it had waterfalls. After waiting an hour past our departure time we bagged our original plans to go the scenic route and headed straight for I-81. By the time we were on I-81 for about 10 miles is was drying out. We stopped briefly and I recommended to the group that we keep heading east and avoid the rain. Apparently my thoughts were right as per Anita's message. It was a good weekend. If it hadn't rained it would have been nearly perfect (excluding John's mishap). I want to get down there again soon and enjoy some of the roads that were wet or that we bypassed due to the rain. Lets get the October trip planned. Oh and how could I forget the bikes... I rode Kirk's hawk. Nice handling bike. That thing can shoot through any curves. I also rode Bruce's VFR. I have got to have one of those! I didn't get a chance to ride Tom's ZX-11. I figured I wait till he had that new rear tire on. :0. And I would have lover to ride that beautiful ZX-9R. That was one fine looking bike. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:42:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07306; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20384 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23361 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525665E.00531D73 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:07:50 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.005307B1.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:07:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You can count me in too. We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:45:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07349; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20480 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23495 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJYEa26053 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <783181f4.35d1aeac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tire mounting tool Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-08-11 15:54:37 EDT, you write: > Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool > outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to > use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is > distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing > their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the > new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. > Count me in as an initial investor. I'd like to throw out an idea here though. Nobody's investing much and it looks like we'll have enough "investors". The thing shouldn't make much anyhow and I doubt that Glenn wants a tremendous number of people coming by to use it anyway. Keeping track of and distributing "profits" would be a pain also. How about donating any proceeds to charity? I think there's a charity for motorcycle neck injury victims. If not, I'm sure that we could find something appropriate. We could let Glenn have the donation receipt for his taxes as thanks for providing space. Thoughts? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:48:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07381; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20517 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23565 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980812140505.27695.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:05:05 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hmmm...I don't think that you quite answered the question in a term that everyone can translate.... 74 cui = ?? Also....you may want to re-consider your litte statement...."Right, I'll take you all on"...Do you realize what your getting in for???? 5K rpm..on a straight Road??? like a roll on in top-gear??? Or do you want a lower gear ??? ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jon S. wrote: > > Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your bike have? > > 74 cui. ;-) > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 Fat Boy (soon) > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:51:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07447; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20583 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23741 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08810; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666A8@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:08:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain forgot to pipe up... only here for another year, but I'm good for the $30.. besides, if I stay with this outfit, I'm bound to be back here in a few years. Collin (not to mention, if I get a street bike going this century, I have a tendency to go through tires far too quickly :)) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:57 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. > > > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:57:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07533; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20670 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23883 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA09106 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:15:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812151513.XUUF13385@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:15:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812151513.XUUF13385@[166.41.242.141]> I posted the DC-cycles address to a private list confirming a pledge for the tire mounting tool. If you got it and didn't pledge, ignore the message. On a different note, we now have 17 people that want in. Send me a note if you haven't already to tell me you also want access to a tire mounting machine for $30. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 12:01:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07610; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20774 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24033 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6cgA-0000Vx-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:19:10 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C54D@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:06:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I don't usually have the faceshield down all that much, it gets too hot! Sunscreen is good combat against wrinkles... : ) > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:54 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... > > Umm.. I do believe that most face shield today are UVA/UVB potective.. > I > know mine are on the Arai (both tint and clear)... why are you putting > on sunscreen for a morning ride to work anyway? > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my > eyes, so I > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one > street > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY > that I > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since > I was > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what > would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 12:08:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07810; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20909 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24291 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:27:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFLUa27698 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8bbf5362.35d1b40f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:26:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Surprise Hazard... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/12/98 9:45:50 AM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: << but what would've happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed?>> scary - but I imagine you'd pull over and wipe your eyes................... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 12:19:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08018; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21030 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24654 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.95] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA16175; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00bf01bdc606$62db8920$5f73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:32:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 A quick surf of http://www.dealerequipment.com shows rim clamp tire machines running from $3000 to $6000. Yeowch! http://www.autoequipmentcity.com sells used & reconditioned equipment, but lists no models & prices. Bruce >We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the >tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > >Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? >Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > >Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 12:45:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08419; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21556 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25446 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p19dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.51]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06524; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: <028901bdc60b$156c4940$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:05:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Yeah. F*ck charity. Give your own money away, not mine. -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 11:56 AM Subject: Tire mounting tool >Count me in as an initial investor. > >I'd like to throw out an idea here though. Nobody's investing much and it >looks like we'll have enough "investors". The thing shouldn't make much >anyhow and I doubt that Glenn wants a tremendous number of people coming by to >use it anyway. Keeping track of and distributing "profits" would be a pain >also. How about donating any proceeds to charity? I think there's a charity >for motorcycle neck injury victims. If not, I'm sure that we could find >something appropriate. We could let Glenn have the donation receipt for his >taxes as thanks for providing space. Thoughts? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:02:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08783; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21792 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26014 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:20:22 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNYEa04161 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:19:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter -roll ons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-12 11:57:49 EDT, you write: << like a roll on in top-gear??? >> Craig and I both know that the TL has some of the best roll on times of ANY bike out there. I wouldnt advise a roll on contest against a TL unless you plan on losing. Not hyping my own machine, just telling the truth. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:09:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08866; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21841 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26215 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC91@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:31:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain There are approximately 61.02 cubic inches per liter, and exactly 1000 cc's per liter, so... 74 cubic inches / 61.02 cubic inches per liter = 1.212717141921 liter * 1000cc's per liter = 1213 cc's > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:05 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter > > hmmm...I don't think that you quite answered the question in a term > that everyone can translate.... > 74 cui = ?? > Also....you may want to re-consider your litte statement...."Right, > I'll take you all on"...Do you realize what your getting in for???? > > 5K rpm..on a straight Road??? > like a roll on in top-gear??? > Or do you want a lower gear ??? > > > > > > > ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jon S. wrote: > > > Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your > bike have? > > > > 74 cui. ;-) > > > > > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > > > '98 Fat Boy (soon) > > > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:11:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08891; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21862 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26295 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:28:55 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC92@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, I'm in for $30. Just don't try to collect next week -- I'll be trying hard to suffer in Daytona Beach. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 11:14 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting > > I posted the DC-cycles address to a private list confirming a pledge > for the tire mounting tool. If you got it and didn't pledge, ignore > the message. > > On a different note, we now have 17 people that want in. > > Send me a note if you haven't already to tell me you also want access > to a tire mounting machine for $30. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:18:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09032; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21902 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26482 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00786 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'David Wakefield'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: More info on cheap motor oil... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hmmm, I wonder why different Targets have different prices? Doesn't make too much sense with such a large chain. Did you buy some or just see the price? Maybe its an old price on the shelf. BTW the Target I went by is brand spanking new. Glenn > Per Matt Bennett's suggestion, I visited the Target in Bowie (MD) at the > intersection of Routes 50 and 301 yesterday evening. > > They currently stock "race-proven, fully synthetic" 15W50 Mobil 1 motor > oil for $3.19 a quart. No, they're not having a sale on it either; that's > the > regular price. > > They have Castrol's Syntec too, but it's $3.34 per quart. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:23:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09155; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21935 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26579 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 261; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1C5A4.2F6AA9DE@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. References: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in. $30 will pay for itself on the second tire change. Horkster Todd Peer wrote: > > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:24:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09179; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21944 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26614 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980812150126.8581.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:26 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Gil's challange/motor size To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 74.000 cu inch [in3] equivalent to: 1212.6380 cu centimetre [cm3 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:26:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09200; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21954 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26660 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00906 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I'm willing to cough up more then $30 should the need arise. I'm good for up to $100. IMO, any extra money (for those that don't become initial investors) should be used for buying wheels weights, valve stems and maintenance to the mounter. And possibly the extra money could be used for a good balancer or improved mounter. Glenn > I posted the DC-cycles address to a private list confirming a pledge > for the tire mounting tool. If you got it and didn't pledge, ignore > the message. > > On a different note, we now have 17 people that want in. > > Send me a note if you haven't already to tell me you also want access > to a tire mounting machine for $30. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:30:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09269; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21975 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26844 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6e0D-0000FK-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:43:57 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:42:44 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C558@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:42:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ...tried it, didn't work. I had to wait 'till I could wash the stuff off! = : O > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 11:26 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Surprise Hazard... > > In a message dated 8/12/98 9:45:50 AM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: > > << but what would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed?>> > > scary - but I imagine you'd pull over and wipe your > eyes................... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:41:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09640; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22129 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27406 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 250; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:59:20 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1C9FE.7B3870D3@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:59:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "Jon S." , DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <19980812145201.XMND13385@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > See what Jon doesn't understand is that not even a year ago, > Dale listed all the things he felt were totally outside of what a > motorcycle should be, digital guages, big pieces of plastic, lack of > kick starters,....and on. > > Now Dale is riding one of these blasphamous machines! Yeah, I'll probably never live that down. Actually, for what I ride, the Concours is pretty low tech. Carbs, vacuum petcock, no EFI, no ABS, nothing fancy. Design hasn't changed much since '86, a big selling point for me. I still would have rather spent money on a new shaft drive standard type bike - but no-one makes 'em anymore. :-( For what it's worth, though, the Concours has let me ride when I want to ride, and not have to spend all my weekends fixing things. I hope that continues for a long long time. > Get him on a > real sport bike, and I'm sure he'll change the tune. Now waitaminit here. If getting on a "real" sport bike involves ditching my leather jacket, boots, gloves, and spraypainting 8 bazillion frightening neon colors on my single color fullface helmet and then riding around like an asshole, I'm not interested. Now, if I can keep my leathers and stuff, and still ride around like an asshole, I might be interested. :) Oh, wait, yeah, that's what I do now... :) > Come on Jon! Dale is confessing to being a squid-baiter, and you're > falling right for it! ;) > Shhh, Todd, this is fun! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:45:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09743; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22190 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11660 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA18198; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: Peter Hartzler cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Peter Hartzler wrote: > Hmm.. > > In addition to vandalism, I hope that loser gets charged with a > misdemeanor for violating the non-smoking ordinance... > > -ph I've heard it so many times that I'm willing to bet it's just an urban legend. Though it is a good story. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750 (for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10190; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22461 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28185 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 260 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:20:54 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1CF0C.7BF7EF77@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <005201bdc5bc$da41a2a0$044c37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon wrote: > Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your > "rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a > "real rider" in action. Don't blink, because you might be left behind. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:25:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11146; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23361 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29293 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA14156; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:43:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-16.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.80) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014102; Wed Aug 12 12:43:18 1998 Message-ID: <35D1D312.619@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:26 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xl-list@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New 1999 Buells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcycle Online has an article on the new 1999 Buells, including the new Lightning which is fuel injected. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/99models.html -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11277; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23432 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29782 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525665E.00629157 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:56:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.006044E9.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:56:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Yo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Did you spend monday night in Blacksburg? Curiosity and all that... Kirk The rain was making my bike run extremely rough. I didn't feel safe with the way it was surging on me. It felt like the rear end could have stepped out on me at any time. I was going to get a room in Blacksburg but then decided to just rent a truck and drive back home. Bought a set of tie downs at the auto parts store next to the rental place and had the bike loaded up and was back on the road within 20 minutes of splitting off from you guys. I came up 81 all the way to 66 and home. Got back a little after 3pm. Hit torrential downpours most of the way home which made me glad that I rented the truck. Went and replaced the back tire yesterday. The old one was paper thin and was showing a three inch section of cords. Can you say "Holy lack of traction Batman"? In any case it was still a good weekend and I had a great time. Thanks for all your hard work in planning a super trip. Looking forward to the next one. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:35:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11322; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23502 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29911 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA03911 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1D66C.8FFB9094@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:52:44 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <19980812140505.27695.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig wrote: > > hmmm...I don't think that you quite answered the question in a term > that everyone can translate.... > 74 cui = ?? According to the table at http://www.execpc.com/~wallin/convert/ 74 cu. in. is approximately equal to 89700000 grains 15000 drops 1200 milliliters 1200 Cubic Centimeters 340 drachm (Brit. Fluid) 328 dram 246 Teaspoon 82 Tablespoon 44 Fluid ounce 12 deciliters 11 gills 5.5 Cup 2.7 Pint 1.4 Quart 1.2 Liter 0.34 Gallon 0.27 Imperial gallon 0.14 pecks 0.12 dekaliters 0.067 bucket (Brit. dry) 0.043 Cubic Feet 0.034 bushels 0.0109 barrels (liquid) 0.0105 barrels (US dry) 0.00268 cord feet 0.00158 cu yard 0.00121 Cubic Meters 0.00033 cords or 0.000000983 Acre-Feet > Also....you may want to re-consider your litte statement...."Right, > I'll take you all on"...Do you realize what your getting in for???? I'd listen to Craig on this one, he knows whereof he speaks. Leon - From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:49:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11560; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23745 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00733 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id LAA23608 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:04:37 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:04:37 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dale Horstman , Todd Peer Cc: "Jon S." , DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:05:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I still would have rather spent money on a new shaft drive >standard type bike - but no-one makes 'em anymore. :-( Getcherself a GSX1100G. Other than the normal consumables, my total failures in 44K miles are 1 fork seal and 1 blown fuse. Oh yeah - and a dirty horn button (under warranty) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:55:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11676; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23824 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01543 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 366; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1DB58.A5AE14A8@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:13:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: Todd Peer , DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > > >I still would have rather spent money on a new shaft drive > >standard type bike - but no-one makes 'em anymore. :-( > > Getcherself a GSX1100G. The operative word there was "new". I was really pissed at my 1978 KZ LTD when I went shopping. I love the GSX, but I didn't want a used bike that time around. Oh well. I'm slowly getting used to all the heat the Concours throws off (actually, it'll be a nice feature this winter!) and with a severely cut down windshield, I don't get any helmet buffetting and wind noise, and I also get a nice stream of air to help me cool in the hot jacket. And I've still got the way hot, way tall windshield for when the weather gets cooler. Year 'round riding in comfort, without the benefit of electrics. :) I guess the Concours is a keeper. Besides, I'll have "too many miles" on it to sell it at any kind of a decent price. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:02:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11778; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23900 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01832 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05259 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980812182227.15315.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1c; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:22:27 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: I also want > to thank Craig for doing most of the leading (except that he bypassed one > section of good road) :-). Oh..here we go....I led down unknown roads for what 175-200 miles at a brisk pace that kept the group happy yet somewhat together and skip a "little" section of road (10-20 mi.) and I'm still hearing shit about it... ;~)... The offer is still there , If you want to lead come on up front and go for it.... :-O just don't complain about me being in your mirror's.....dooohh _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:03:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11792; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23907 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01894 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05533 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BIQa029473; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2fac6a32.35d1dc51@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:17:52 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Count me in also. Tom T. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:08:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11870; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23960 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02152 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08129 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA15779 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808121825.OAA15779@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:24:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Tire Mounting stuffs. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I searched on the net for some tire mounting info... Not sure any of this is relevant, but: http://www.rma.org/tireinfo.html http://alutia.micapeak.com/WetLeather/pages/tiremount.html http://www.truklink.com/14/techbull/14b00011.htm http://www.performancemarket.com/tireeq.htm http://www.dir.ca.gov/dir/os&h/oshsb/Tire.html -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:12:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11982; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24029 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02330 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05725 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:30:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'CBR600twt@XXXXXX'" , Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:29:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I've found a few places on the web too. I've called one place and left a message since no price was listed. Here are the places I've been: http://www.performancemarket.com/tireeq.htm http://www.hunter.com/ http://www.hennessy-ind.com/mount.html#5030 http://www.butler-eng.com/Site_Eng/classic.htm http://www.bodyshopexpo.com/pten/fcorghi.htm Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX [SMTP:CBR600twt@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 2:18 PM > To: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting > > Count me in also. > > Tom T. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:29:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12381; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24309 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15692 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:47:47 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525665E.0067DC0C ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:54:25 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.0067AD77.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:54:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline 89700000 grains Cool. The next time someone asks me what size bike I have I can tell them 89 million 700 thousand grains. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:42:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12597; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24512 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03357 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:55:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:56:48 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Folks, "Yeowch!" is right--but I know that a K&L like we used at my former employer ain't no 3 grand. I found an old "Dealernews" Buyer's Guide (Dec. '94) and they list the address and phones: K&L Supply Co., 1040 Richard Ave, Santa Clara CA 95050, 408-727-6767. They might only sell dealer direct, so I guess I'd do one of two things: If someone out there had a business with a "tax number," maybe they'd sell to you. Or, go to your favorite dealer, one where they know you, and ask them to help you get one. Perhaps you'd have to promise always to buy your and all your friends' tires there . . . Good luck! Joe >>> "Bruce Norton" - 8/12/98 11:32 AM >>> A quick surf of http://www.dealerequipment.com shows rim clamp tire machines running from $3000 to $6000. Yeowch! http://www.autoequipmentcity.com sells used & reconditioned equipment, but lists no models & prices. Bruce >We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the >tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > >Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? >Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > >Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:48:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12720; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24641 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03531 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA18476; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:06:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812190602.WBY24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: "Jordan, Michael" , DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812190602.WBY24844@[166.41.242.141]> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That averages to only around 84 miles a day! What are you doing with all your 'off' time! ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:50:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12762; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24739 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (known send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03607 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980812190925.11283.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send102.yahoomail.com; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:09:25 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii damn Leon that sure helps with the conversion... How long did it take to come up with all that?? ---Leon Begeman wrote: > > According to the table at http://www.execpc.com/~wallin/convert/ > > 74 cu. in. is approximately equal to > 89700000 grains > 15000 drops > 1200 milliliters > 1200 Cubic Centimeters > 340 drachm (Brit. Fluid) > 328 dram > 246 Teaspoon > 82 Tablespoon > 44 Fluid ounce > 12 deciliters > 11 gills > 5.5 Cup > 2.7 Pint > 1.4 Quart > 1.2 Liter > 0.34 Gallon > 0.27 Imperial gallon > 0.14 pecks > 0.12 dekaliters > 0.067 bucket (Brit. dry) > 0.043 Cubic Feet > 0.034 bushels > 0.0109 barrels (liquid) > 0.0105 barrels (US dry) > 0.00268 cord feet > 0.00158 cu yard > 0.00121 Cubic Meters > 0.00033 cords > or 0.000000983 Acre-Feet > > > > > Also....you may want to re-consider your litte statement...."Right, > > I'll take you all on"...Do you realize what your getting in for???? > > I'd listen to Craig on this one, he knows whereof he speaks. > > Leon - > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:52:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12795; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24767 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03649 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 356; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:10:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1E8B4.B39BBD55@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:10:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "Jordan, Michael" , DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <19980812190602.WBY24844@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > That averages to only around 84 miles a day! What are you doing > with all your 'off' time! ;) The answer is simple. I'm hating life, wishing I was riding! :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 16:08:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13135; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24939 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04230 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12352 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812192604.IPM13385@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:26:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire mounting - Real Confirmation X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812192604.IPM13385@[166.41.242.141]> The following have committed $30 towards getting our new tire mounting tool. This is 27 * $30, or $810. A brand spanking new machine is not necessary, especially at $3,000 !!!!!! Can anyone get some good prices? We might need another 10 people just to be in the ball park, or maybe add another $10 1 Tom T. 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 MARKSOMM (Sommerfield?) 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell (Jeannette volunteered you) 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Urulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 16:23:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13437; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25157 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04588 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA14122 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:41:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666A8@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > (not to mention, if I get a street bike going this century, I have a > tendency to go through tires far too quickly :)) I'd expect you to get double the mileage on the light, low power EX compared to the heavy, powerful GSXR. I could be wrong though. My commuting to recreational riding ratio is something like 3:1 during the summer. So, my tires usually wear out in the middle first. I got 5500 miles out of an mez1 rear. I'm curious about the mileage that others with light bikes (<430 lbs wet) get out of their tires. I'd bet you could really make tires last on something like a Bandit 400 (370 lbs wet w/no torque to speak of). I've currently got an Azaro on the back of the Hawk. I'm not that impressed with the feel or grip of it. I need a tire that, for the most part, ignores my ham fisted riding style. Maybe the MEZ3 next time... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 16:43:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13769; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25655 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05155 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id NAA12709 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:01:51 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:01:51 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:03:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >89700000 grains Not wanting to be overly picky (hah!), but grains (and drams, usually) are units of measure for weight, not volume. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 16:52:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13894; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25847 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05385 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA14790 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > I especially want to thank Kirk for organizing this thing. > Without his help I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as fun. You're all welcome. I'm glad everyone had a good time. > to thank Craig for doing most of the leading (except that he bypassed one > section of good road) :-). Yes, I neglected to thank Craig in my report. Todd and Glenn also helped out with leadership duties... Thanks for everyone who put some effort in to make things go smoothly. > I was able to scrub in my new rear tire real quick. Another new one? You're getting up there with Tom for tire wear... > Oh and how could I forget the bikes... I rode Kirk's hawk. Nice handling > bike. That thing can shoot through any curves. Stupid bike takes away any excuses I might otherwise be able to use. After riding my bike you can only come to the conclusion that I suck but the bike is great... I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get out for the October trip (it's not unlikely I'll be in Florida riding on even better roads. They do have better roads in FL, right?). I hope y'all can manage to enjoy yourselves without me... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 17:03:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14079; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26032 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05728 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA25800 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8525665E.006FDE20 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:21:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.006FC518.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:23:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Tire mounting - Real Confirmation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'd get in on it but it looks like I'm going to be selling my bike to a guy in our office. I'll have to be one of those guys who pays for the service (when I get a *new* bike). It is good to see the level of committment by those on the list, though...not like the group rides, helpful advice, friendly people, or offers of roadside assistance didn't convince me already :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Tire mounting - Real Confirmation The following have committed $30 towards getting our new tire mounting tool. This is 27 * $30, or $810. A brand spanking new machine is not necessary, especially at $3,000 !!!!!! Can anyone get some good prices? We might need another 10 people just to be in the ball park, or maybe add another $10 1 Tom T. 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 MARKSOMM (Sommerfield?) 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell (Jeannette volunteered you) 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Urulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 17:08:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14207; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26124 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05880 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA14699; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812202602.BPEU24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:26:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812202602.BPEU24844@[166.41.242.141]> To John, et al, Your points regarding individuals and what behaviors are expected in communal situations are right on. Of course what the community agrees on as the best course of action to take to keep the whole community safe may seem ambiguous in our group rides context. Not everyone who has joined in recent DC-Cycles rides can ride at as fast a pace as some. And other prefer a slower pace. Maybe we should once again address this issue and remind our communal brothers/sisters to take it easy and ride at your own comfortable pace. But, as to the way ONE dresses to ride with MANY, the way you dress for a crash is not ambiguous. If you are wearing the minimum attire acceptable to your greater community (by law) and crash, you are almost certain to seriously injur yourself. If you are riding with a group this way, it says you not only have no regard for your safety, but you have no regard for how the group you are riding with handles your crash. You don't care, or you're just an ignorant sob! As a minimum, aside from what is not debatable by law, you should wear gloves, long sturdy pants (minimum stiff jeans/BDUS, preferrably leather), a long sleeved jacket (preferrably leather), and boots that cover your ankles and offer support. The law in our area requires a DOT approved helmet. In a group, I would suggest a full faced one. This issue was debated (albeit w/much flaming) quite a bit recently and borders on the helmet/nohelmet, smoker/nonsmoker debate. The big difference is we don't have the insurance/health industries involved, yet! Like John said, you want to ride in shorts/tshirt by yourself, go ahead. I've done it and still do it on occassion. But when I ride with a group, my main concern is that nobody gets hurt. Wearing the right attire to your next crash goes a long way to abate that. To Sean Petr, come work a corner for a weekend at Summit Point. Turns 1, 3, 5 should convince you soon enough how easily a motorcycle can crash, and how lucky that WERA, CCS, AMA and others require that the riders dress for a crash. Todd >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:18 EDT, Sean G. Petr opined: >> I might be wrong, >> but it just seems ironic. I mean, to get a bike, to be more free... then only >> to find that your own kind wont accept you because you arent all wrapped up. > >The problem here Sean is that you assume all bikers are alike. As I've >been telling my nine-year-old for years: "People are different." I used >to be more tolerant about your attitude I guess, but not anymore. I've >seen too much shit happen since I started riding bikes 27 years ago. > >> My point -- why disciminate, or even judge someone cause of the way they dress >> when riding. > >Why? Because as someone pointed out (Gil maybe? D-mode here folks :) >there is a camraderie that has developed here on group rides, a >sharing/caring dynamic which manifests itself in small and large ways. I >guess everyone that is _serious_ about engaging themselves in this >milieu - at least the people I know here best - feels that it would not >be fair to place undue burden or responsibility on their fellow riders >in the event of an unfortunate incident. And, just how might this >responsibility manifest itself you may ask? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 18:05:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15169; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26750 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07161 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p19dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.51]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17726; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:23:43 -0400 Message-ID: <031c01bdc637$c2fcf2e0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:25:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV >On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >> I was able to scrub in my new rear tire real quick. > >Another new one? You're getting up there with Tom for tire wear... Yeah, but I hope Glenn's tires don't cost nearly as much as mine. I'm just about broke. >> Oh and how could I forget the bikes... I rode Kirk's hawk. Nice handling >> bike. That thing can shoot through any curves. > >Stupid bike takes away any excuses I might otherwise be able to use. >After riding my bike you can only come to the conclusion that I suck but >the bike is great... Let's switch up on the next ride, Kirk. I gotta try that thing. You too, Glenn; Craig. >I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get out for the October trip (it's not >unlikely I'll be in Florida riding on even better roads. They do have >better roads in FL, right?). Sorry. Straight and flat. Perfect squid habitat. >I hope y'all can manage to enjoy yourselves >without me... We'll do our best. Maybe you could hook us up will the Bills to show us around? -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 18:57:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16235; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27484 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08528 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6jBB-0003Ll-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:38 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C566@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:31:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know what you mean about heat-producing bikes. My VFR produces so much heat that I couldn't wear just jeans on a long ride even if I wanted to!! It burns the hell out of my left thigh without my leathers on...I never experienced that with the VF....but as you say, it'll be really nice in winter! : ) - Jeannette > I'm slowly getting used to all the heat the Concours throws > off (actually, it'll be a nice feature this winter!) > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 19:12:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16463; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27906 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09084 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24552; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Surprise Hazard... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C539@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I assume you had a closed face helmet. Yep that darn sunblock fume will get ya ever time... -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened > to me this morning. > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair > skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 19:17:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16547; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28036 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09569 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24925; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Mersch, Tom" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC8F@RBMAIL103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ROTFL! ... moving speed trap, doughnuts... hahahaha! n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > Hmmm, my glasses fit inside with my melon. Darkened, tinted shield (I know, > $50) keeps the sun off, and you look more menacing when people can't see > your mug. Add a radar gun and a big box of doughnuts, and people will think > you're a moving speed trap. > > Tom M. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:53 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Surprise Hazard... > > > > I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened > > to me this morning. > > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I > > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street > > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I > > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was > > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've > > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair > > skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) > > > > - Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 19:17:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16558; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28058 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09585 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24766; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. In-Reply-To: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Put me down for $30 too. :) n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 19:59:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17022; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28516 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10300 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr50-dialup11.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EXL000NQNC0LN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:16:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:14:21 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <012c01bdc660$168029a0$894a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Come on Jon! Dale is confessing to being a squid-baiter, and you're >falling right for it! ;) > >Todd Well, I guess this just proves that I am a squid! I already admitted it, but I also fell for the bait. I ride a squid bike, dress like a half-squid(no leather, but jeans, boots, gloves, some sort of long sleeve shirt), have a multicolored painted helmet, loud exhaust, and ride like an asshole. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Jon S. Cc: DC Cycle Club Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter > >See what Jon doesn't understand is that not even a year ago, Dale listed >all the things he felt were totally outside of what a motorcycle should >be, digital guages, big pieces of plastic, lack of kick starters,....and >on. > >Now Dale is riding one of these blasphamous machines! Get him on a >real sport bike, and I'm sure he'll change the tune. > >Come on Jon! Dale is confessing to being a squid-baiter, and you're >falling right for it! ;) > >Todd > > >Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:45:51 -0700 >From: "Jon S." >Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >To: DC Cycle Club >Message-id: <005201bdc5bc$da41a2a0$044c37a6@default> > >Dale wrote: >>Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >>are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >>and far between. > >I didn't know that the Concours was limited production......... well, I >could say a whole lot about your "rare" bike, but I don't want to get too >personal. We could argue forever. Everyone has their own outlook on other >people. Yours seems to be a little more close minded, opinionated, and >snooty. Now I know where you stand. Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your >"rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a "real >rider" in action. > >Jon > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dale Horstman >To: Jon S. >Cc: DC Cycles List >Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:01 AM >Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter > > >>Jon S. wrote: >>> >>> Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so >much >>> better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" >> >>Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >>are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >>and far between. >> >>> and that your "fullface, >>> leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you >>> better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. >> >>I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. >>These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of >>raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em >>ride like that in December. Brr. >> >>>If your so much >>> better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? >> >>I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. >>I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike >>is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 20:06:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17190; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28590 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10401 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA16019; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D24F51.48C7@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:28:33 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Todd Peer Subject: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer declared: > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. Count me in too Todd. I guess another next step might be to devise a table (HTML page) with all the names indicating their commitment as well as an address/name where we can send our checks. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 20:11:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17299; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28625 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10474 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr50-dialup11.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXL00F52NWBMA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:29:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:26:32 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <013101bdc661$ca1d7f20$894a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Dale wrote: >Don't blink, because you might be left behind. LOL!!! 8^D I very, very, seriously doubt that. I'm a squid, but I can ride fast. Don't let my appearance fool you, I've been riding motorcycles for 20 years. I'm always looking for a good race....... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles List Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >Jon wrote: > >> Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your >> "rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a >> "real rider" in action. > >Don't blink, because you might be left behind. > > > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 20:21:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17446; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29156 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10672 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTEGa19316 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26b50f9b.35d2277c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:38:33 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-12 15:39:46 EDT, you write: << Cool. The next time someone asks me what size bike I have I can tell them 89 million 700 thousand grains. >> LOL........that was great. Thanks for the conversions Leon. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 20:24:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17492; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29307 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10725 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:42:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPFQa27851 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37e3003d.35d22830@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:41:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter -engine hear Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-12 19:06:42 EDT, you write: << I know what you mean about heat-producing bikes. My VFR produces so much heat that I couldn't wear just jeans on a long ride even if I wanted to!! It burns the hell out of my left thigh without my leathers on...I never experienced that with the VF....but as you say, it'll be really nice in winter! : ) >> What a bunch of complainers. Try riding an unfaired bike in rush hour when its 90+ degrees and you ARENT moving. Now THATS hot. Never seen a bike go from 167 degrees to 235 degrees so fast. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 21:53:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19427; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29923 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12178 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA24379; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:11:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.111.104]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980813011120.DAVC24844@XXXXXX>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:20 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "HSTA" , "CBR List" Subject: Source for stiffening Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdc657$46200580$686f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Thanks to all the suggestions. I think I found what I need in a product called Easy Bagger procured from my friendly local hardware store. Sheets of pretty thick stuff measuring 68"x30" for $7.59 each. I just added some to the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) and it's looking pretty dern good although still not quite finished. I decided to add some shoulder straps for carrying it while not on the bike that'll be hidden. I'll add some to the saddlebags soon. I've been using a metallic tape to connect the pieces. I'll also try some duct tape and maybe experiment with pop rivets. So much fun. Thanks again. You guys really came through. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 21:54:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19446; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29932 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12192 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA22946; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D2689F.6298@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:16:31 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "Brian E. Ewell" Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Brian E. Ewell" > I've heard it so many times that I'm willing to bet it's just an > urban legend. Though it is a good story. Me too Brian. I first saw this almost two years ago on the VF/VFR list. I think it prolly started on some Beemer list though ;) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 22:48:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20507; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00288 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12894 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-152.s152.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.152]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28922; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D24A18.C659F8DD@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:06:16 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter -engine hear References: <37e3003d.35d22830@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a Suzuki..what do you expect :) Both of mine FLY toward the red H whenever motion comes to a stop... WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > Never seen a bike go > from 167 degrees to 235 degrees so fast. > > Jack -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:13:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21062; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00410 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13288 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-29.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.70]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07267 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:31:26 -0400 Message-ID: <01aa01bdc662$60e8b500$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Back in the Saddle Again Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:30:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Back in the sad. . .. Whoops, have to run. Morning breaking scheduled. Bill Swanson / DC 99 VN750 Being bridle broken. 96 EN500 LTD R.I.P., times were great Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:23:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21331; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00447 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13415 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdc663$7886bd00$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <783181f4.35d1aeac@aol.com> Importance: Normal Both ideas go okay with me. I'd tend to opt for Glenn getting the money, since he's gonna have to meet so many of us and put up with our greasy mugs and locally purchased tires;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > How about donating any proceeds to charity? I think > there's a charity > for motorcycle neck injury victims. If not, I'm sure that we could find > something appropriate. We could let Glenn have the donation > receipt for his > taxes as thanks for providing space. Thoughts? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:23:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21335; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00450 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13420 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdc663$79502780$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C54D@BADGE> Importance: Normal Understandable to not put the shield down. As far as wrinkles, stay out of the sun period. My mother got some sun poisoning while a kid. Stayed very much out of the sun (in shade, heavy amounts of SPF 15, etc) for the past 40 years. And her skin looks pretty good for a woman with a 25 year old kid;) She has a friend who has always tanned. While Carol is only about 5 years older than my mother, the skin looks a good fifteen years older. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > > I don't usually have the faceshield down all that much, it gets too hot! > Sunscreen is good combat against wrinkles... : ) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:34:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21607; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00521 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13552 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-87-247.s247.tnt6.brd.erols.com [207.172.87.247]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25686; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808130252.WAA25686@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'JOE NAGY'" , Subject: Re: cunning stunts Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:50:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin: I believe I will be driving up to Pocono with my buddy Kevin and his son Brian. We plan to leave Saturday morning (the 28th) and find a hotel south of the track. Where exactly are you setting up? By the way, I just put a contract on a new 98 GSX-R 750 (Red, grey and black) at Coleman in Woodbridge. Trey cut me a pretty good deal. I hope to pick it up this Saturday!! Perhaps you can help me set up the suspension? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG > To: 'JOE NAGY' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: cunning stunts > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 2:01 PM > > Joe, > You're taking the upcoming rider school too???!!! I believe lister Jay St. > Peter is also going to be taking the school that day. > > What bike are you racing, the RD? > > Keep in touch. I'm picking up a 10x20 canopy this week, so I'll have some > shade for you fellas. I'm probably going to set up right next to Dawn Cook > along the cold pit. We were thinking of putting Bob ? and Dawn's canopies > together, and mine behind to make "monster pit", but if we throw a couple > extra guys in the space, side by side it'll have to be. I plan on camping > there all weekend as well.... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:22 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: cunning stunts > > > > He's performing at the Pocono Cycle Festival (Formula USA) August 28-30. > > If you can go, go. Even though it means you'll miss my racing debut at > > Summit Point. > > Joe > > Ninja, RD, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:37:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21674; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00538 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13620 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:53:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter -engine hear Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:53:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bdc665$7f194140$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <37e3003d.35d22830@aol.com> Importance: Normal Done air and watercooled, faired and unfaired on the water cooled. While I thought it would be bad, the best I've had in heat is an unfaired, oilcooled bike. Faired bikes are much hotter when stopped. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > What a bunch of complainers. Try riding an unfaired bike in rush > hour when > its 90+ degrees and you ARENT moving. Now THATS hot. Never seen > a bike go > from 167 degrees to 235 degrees so fast. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 00:08:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22906; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00778 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14238 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:26:48 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id XAA27469; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:28:55 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027417; Wed, 12 Aug 98 23:28:32 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXL00IBMYW0JE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525665F.0012C8D5 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:25:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:25:46 -0400 Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <8525665F.0012D720.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Jeannette, Dale, et. al., It doesn't work that way. Murphy's Law and all. You wiil get plenty of heat in the summer and never notice it in the coooold winter. :-( Unfortunately, I know of what I speak ... --chris To: cc: DC Cycle Club From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Date: 08/12/98 07:31:47 PM GMT Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter I know what you mean about heat-producing bikes. My VFR produces so much heat that I couldn't wear just jeans on a long ride even if I wanted to!! It burns the hell out of my left thigh without my leathers on...I never experienced that with the VF....but as you say, it'll be really nice in winter! : ) - Jeannette > I'm slowly getting used to all the heat the Concours throws > off (actually, it'll be a nice feature this winter!) > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 00:32:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23750; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01436 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14740 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:50:53 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id PTAIa04180; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:50:19 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <74175d93.35d2627c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:50:19 EDT To: dreamer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Info on bike...was Re: Aaaagh, it's back!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, I'm riding the bike to Great Falls Sunday evening after the bicycle race in Buckeystown and can venture on down to you, if you like. I'm also free all day on Saturday, though I would like to go riding :) Info on the bike is: 1985 Honda CB450SC Recent MD inspection (March) Kenda Challenger tires installed at inspection (around 2,600 miles on em and still in great shape) Battery less than 1 year old Very reliable, runs great, around 55MPG I'm the 3rd owner and have had the bike for 5 years Fuel tank is primed and needs paint to match body panels Clymer Manual, OSI cover, and cargonet included (don't need em for my Shadow) Let me know what is best for you. I can be reached at (301) 695-5993 in the morning and (301) 228-3512 after 3PM. Thanks! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 00:45:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24062; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01756 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15148 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJKSa17153 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61d1e429.35d26508@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:01:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter -engine hear Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-08-12 20:33:13 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << What a bunch of complainers. Try riding an unfaired bike in rush hour when its 90+ degrees and you ARENT moving. Now THATS hot. Never seen a bike go from 167 degrees to 235 degrees so fast. >> yeah but what a great way to lose weight! LOL -speaking from experience, Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 07:47:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29908; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05999 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20898 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19344 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:04:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:03:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I don't want the money for myself. I just want the (extra) money used for the equipment when its needed. I can ever setup a little savings account so that it can be earning some interest. Glenn > Both ideas go okay with me. I'd tend to opt for Glenn getting the money, > since he's gonna have to meet so many of us and put up with our greasy > mugs > and locally purchased tires;) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 08:15:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00158; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06052 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21148 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20615 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:32:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) My bike probably weighs in right around 430 or so considering its 399 dry. I usually get between 5000 and 7000 out of a rear. I have been using "V" rated sport touring bias plys unlike you radial people. Glenn > I'd expect you to get double the mileage on the light, low power EX > compared to the heavy, powerful GSXR. I could be wrong though. My > commuting to recreational riding ratio is something like 3:1 during the > summer. So, my tires usually wear out in the middle first. I got 5500 > miles out of an mez1 rear. > > I'm curious about the mileage that others with light bikes (<430 lbs wet) > get out of their tires. I'd bet you could really make tires last on > something like a Bandit 400 (370 lbs wet w/no torque to speak of). > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 08:18:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00181; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06057 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21171 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:37:11 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013CD@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'Jon S.'" , DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:35:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Jon, I'm not interested in a race.. but I'll go out and ride with you again.. I've got a few thousand miles on my bike now and feel like I can actually corner unlike last time (I'd put maybe 200 miles on by then). You can even pick the roads if you want.. Erg, I'll even take Collin as a passenger to even out the 100cc engine difference. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- >Dale wrote: >Don't blink, because you might be left behind. LOL!!! 8^D I very, very, seriously doubt that. I'm a squid, but I can ride fast. Don't let my appearance fool you, I've been riding motorcycles for 20 years. I'm always looking for a good race....... Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 08:24:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00238; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06122 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21212 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21027 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:41:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:41:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Another new one? You're getting up there with Tom for tire wear... Its all those 400 - 500 miles weekend days that are eating them up. I only ride my bike for entertainment and have racked up 3000 miles in the last month. Its nice to have found some people that enjoy riding as much as I do. Stupid bike takes away any excuses I might otherwise be able to use. After riding my bike you can only come to the conclusion that I suck but the bike is great... OK, I'll got for that. :-) Seriously though, Kirk is an excellent rider. I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get out for the October trip (it's not unlikely I'll be in Florida riding on even better roads. They do have better roads in FL, right?). I hope y'all can manage to enjoy yourselves without me... Come on now, there are a ton of great roads in FL. How about I-95? :-). Although it wouldn't be corner carving material I would like to ride the road (US 1) from Miami to Key West. Anyhow, it would be nice to have your assistance with the Bill's in setting up the next ride. I'll talk to Bill N. Saturday when we John and I are down there. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 09:11:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00730; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08165 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21725 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC96@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Disappearing for a while Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:34:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Be off list until about Tue 25. Be on lost-salt-shaker safari. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 09:46:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01243; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08600 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22334 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24228 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id GAA02999 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:04:39 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:04:39 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Tire wear - light bike division Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:06:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I was getting 5K per rear on my SRX-6 (about 370 lbs) on Metzeler ME-1 Comp K's with just over double that for the ME-33 Comp-K fronts I'm getting about 8K with the ME Z/2 rears on the GSX1100 (somewhat out of the lightweight division). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 10:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01840; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09317 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23420 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26477 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA03432; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980813135111.EENV24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:51:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980813135111.EENV24844@[166.41.242.141]> My bike probably weighs in right around 430 or so considering its 399 dry. I usually get between 5000 and 7000 out of a rear. I have been using "V" rated sport touring bias plys unlike you radial people. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Glenn Ahem, I'm using the K591 Dunlop (Dunlops rule btw) which is a V-rated bias ply. I was using a D505, which is only H-rated and got 5,500 miles out of the rear. I expect at least 6,000 out of the K591. My next set on the CB750 will be radials though. They just feel better! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 10:45:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01937; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09493 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (known machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23673 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A84132941@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Mounting Tool Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:01:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I am in for the mounting tool. I usually only go through 1 set of tires per year, but now that I have the race bike... Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 10:51:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02008; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09538 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23800 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27328 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:08:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:07:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) If I could radials I'd go that way. As it stands right now I could a radial on the front (110/80 -18) but can't find one that will fit the rear (130/90 -16). I've thought about going to a 140 but I'm pretty sure it will hit the support arm for the rear brake. I guess I could modify that arm but what's the point? I'll just stick with bias plys until I can get a "real bike". Glenn > Ahem, I'm using the K591 Dunlop (Dunlops rule btw) which is a > V-rated bias ply. I was using a D505, which is only H-rated and > got 5,500 miles out of the rear. I expect at least 6,000 out > of the K591. > > My next set on the CB750 will be radials though. They just feel > better! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 11:35:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02527; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10007 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24873 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA30134 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:53:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980813145318.EURZ24844@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:53:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire Mounting - the Latest. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980813145318.EURZ24844@[166.41.242.141]> Here is our new and latest list of pledges toward our Tire Mounting Tool. We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this subject to drop until we're done. Todd 1 Tom Trask 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 Mark Sommerfield 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell (Jeannette volunteered you) 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Urulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro 28 David Sward 29 Louis Caplan 30 Chris Meier 31 Frank Artes 32 John Kozyn 33 Richard Westbrook 34 Franz (sesent@XXXXXX) 35 Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 11:35:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02536; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10012 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24878 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA27884 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199808131451.KAA27884@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:02 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:02 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:47:19 -0400 Subject: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME whoops...count me in too... -aki > > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 11:51:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02894; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10300 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25340 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:11:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:10:42 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pocono Trip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sean P., Jon S., pgerhardt@XXXXXX and I are going up on Saturday and = coming back Sunday night. I've already reserved 3 rooms at the Mountain = Top Lodge and am going to cancel one unless someone else wants to join us. = Ursulina was going to go with us but had something else come up. The = cost is $69+tax per room per night. It is also one exit away from the = track. Anyone interested in joining us, either for the ride up, back and = hotel or just the hotel, let me know. I have until the day before to = cancel. The plan is to meet up at Jon S. house Saturday, not sure of the = time, and then go from there. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 12:20:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03326; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10567 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26087 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29920 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - the Latest. In-Reply-To: <19980813145318.EURZ24844@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this > subject to drop until we're done. Wow, Todd, thanks for taking the bull by the horns. This topic has been popping up with no one (including myself) willing to take the lead. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 12:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03369; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10623 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26195 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01352 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980813154333.9187.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:43:33 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yeah...That will be none to soon IMHO.... I need some company up front....hehehehheheeh ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: I'll just stick with bias plys until I can get a "real bike". > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 12:42:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03681; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10915 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26874 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA00415 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:00:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: BIG trailer needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No dc-cycles content... I'm wondering if anyone on the list has a trailer that I would be able to borrow that would be big enough to put a compact car on. I have to get the thing from College Park to Camp Springs for an engine replacement... Any help or other suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 12:47:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03759; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11008 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27039 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA00511 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. In-Reply-To: <19980813135111.EENV24844@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > Ahem, I'm using the K591 Dunlop (Dunlops rule btw) Dunlops rule? I've never actually used Dunlops (just Michelin, Metzeler, Avon, and Bridgestone). Supposedly, the compound on the 207GPs is good enough to make up for going to a bigger tire on the front of the Hawk (from a 110/80/17 to a 120/60/17 on a 2.5" wheel). Even Dunlop recommends it (they also recommend running that tire backwards). Do the Dunlops have a round profile? > My next set on the CB750 will be radials though. They just feel > better! I've been wondering what you were doing at rest stops... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 13:07:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04017; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11756 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known [208.0.104.5] [208.0.104.5]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26584 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:52:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:55:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bdc/cop humor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sitting on the side of the highway waiting to catch speeding drivers, a State Police Officer sees a car puttering along at 22 MPH. He thinks to himself, "This driver is just as dangerous as a speeder!" Sohe turns on his lights and pulls the driver over. Approaching the car, he notices that there are five old ladies-two in the front seat and three in the back-wide eyed and white as ghosts. The driver, obviously confused, says to him, "Officer, I don't understand, I was doing exactly the speed limit! What seems to be the problem?""Ma'am," the officer replies, "you weren't speeding, but you should know that driving slower than the speed limit can also be a danger to other drivers.""Slower than the speed limit? No sir, I was doing the speed limit exactly...Twenty- two miles an hour!" the old woman says a bit proudly. The State Police officer, trying to contain a chuckle explains to her that "22" was the route number, not the speed limit. A bit embarrassed, the woman grinned and thanked the officer for pointing out her error. "But before I let you go, Ma'am, I have to ask... Is everyone in this car OK? These women seem awfully shaken and they haven't muttered a single peep this whole time," the officer asks. "Oh, they'll be all right in a minute officer. We just got off Route 119." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 13:23:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04260; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12075 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28124 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil ([155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04097 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013DA@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Craig needs company up front.. un-huh Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:39:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Alright Craig.. I think Jon S was saying he's fast.. you 2 ought to arrange for a ride together.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- Oh yeah...That will be none to soon IMHO.... I need some company up front....hehehehheheeh ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: I'll just stick with bias plys until I can get a "real bike". > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:00:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04830; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13052 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29214 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05912 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: BIG trailer needed Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:17:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) U-Haul has these. You can either get a car dolly (front or rear wheels only) or a full trailer that will carry the whole car. If you need help moving a car on one of these let me Kirk and I will borrow my folks truck. Glenn > No dc-cycles content... > > I'm wondering if anyone on the list has a trailer that I would be able > to borrow that would be big enough to put a compact car on. I have to get > the thing from College Park to Camp Springs for an engine replacement... > > Any help or other suggestions would be appreciated. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04976; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13188 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29517 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06128 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:27:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:26:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I can't say a whole lot of good things about the Dunlop bias plys that I have used. I'll admit I haven't used any in years but the ones that were on my bike when I got them were trash. I could easily spin the rear in second gear at half throttle in the rain. I've never had that problem with Metezler's or Michelin's. Maybe the K591's are better? And obviously I've never used their radials. I have used their ultra high performance car radials (SP Sport 8000) and they are excellent. Glenn > On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > Ahem, I'm using the K591 Dunlop (Dunlops rule btw) > > Dunlops rule? I've never actually used Dunlops (just Michelin, Metzeler, > Avon, and Bridgestone). Supposedly, the compound on the 207GPs is good > enough to make up for going to a bigger tire on the front of the Hawk > (from a 110/80/17 to a 120/60/17 on a 2.5" wheel). Even Dunlop recommends > it (they also recommend running that tire backwards). Do the Dunlops have > a round profile? > > > My next set on the CB750 will be radials though. They just feel > > better! > > I've been wondering what you were doing at rest stops... > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:13:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05037; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13270 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29708 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.28 (pix001043.staff.digex.net [206.205.169.55]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA04420 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:32:03 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9808131334.AA05736@172.17.2.28> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:34:05 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: PA Trip (and subscribing) Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline I know I'll probably catch some flamage for sending this to the list, but will someone kindly send me the subcribe and unsubscribe messages for this list? I need to change my email address for this list. Secondly, and DC-MC related, does anyone have suggestions on a good route from the area to Pittsburgh, OTHER THAN the standard 522 to 70 to 76? I'd like to avoid the PA turnpike as much as possible, and would love some good 2 lane roads to hit to get there. Thanks much!! Matt 95 Nighthawk > I am in for the mounting tool. I usually only go through 1 set of > tires per year, but now that I have the race bike... > > Jay St. Peter > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:33:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05430; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13456 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00346 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id SAADa02268; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f70c60c.35d3274a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:50:01 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BIG trailer needed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 What kinda car? I replaced the engine in my '79 Toyota Corolla. I got it done in a day! I don't have a trailer, but I think Ryder and U-Haul rent car trailers. Let me know if you need any mechanical help. My number is (301) 695-5993. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:41:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05602; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13553 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00798 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCTDa29473 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <901e3c6f.35d32936@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:58:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Collins MC on the web Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, just out of chance I was looking for sites for thr TLR, came across this one, and found a link to Collin Fagan's GSXR. http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~bartman/suzpics.htm Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 15:20:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06227; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14827 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01914 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09506 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20168; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:37:56 -0400 Message-ID: <03ca01bdc6e9$c000cf00$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Craig" , Subject: Re: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:39:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Then slow down a little bit, goddamnit! ;-D -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. > >Oh yeah...That will be none to soon IMHO.... >I need some company up front....hehehehheheeh From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 15:49:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06889; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15481 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02859 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:06:34 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013E0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Collins MC on the web Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:04:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not his GSXR anymore.. :P with a dead 2nd gear, he passed it off to someone else in partial trade for his New GSXR racebike... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Sent: Thursday, August 13, 1998 1:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Collins MC on the web Well, just out of chance I was looking for sites for thr TLR, came across this one, and found a link to Collin Fagan's GSXR. http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~bartman/suzpics.htm Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 16:23:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07603; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15888 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03888 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:41:32 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 13 Aug 1998 15:41:02 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 13 Aug 1998 15:41:02 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 05B1835D3414E023-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 05B1835D3414E023 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <05B1835D3414E023*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 13 Aug 1998 15:41:02 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: dc-cycles (IPM Return requested), Todd Peer (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Message-Id: <05B1835D3414E023*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I spoke to a place up in New England somewhere and they told me they could get us a used machine for between $1,700 and $2,000, can you say wow this sh*t is expensive? I don't know if that is a good price or not. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 1998 12:02 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Here is our new and latest list of pledges toward our Tire Mounting Tool. Listers I spoke to a couple of dealers today and one guy could probably get us a used machine for about $1,800 to $2,000 and the other guy could get us a new machine for about $3,600 (2,700 + $900 more for the motorcycle wheel adapters). This stuff is really expensive. Has anyone else tried to find a machine? If so, any luck? If we have 35 people it would cost almost $60 bucks each for the used machine. Is that too much? Don B We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this subject to drop until we're done. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 16:37:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08051; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16041 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04911 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13133 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980813195822.17543.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:58:22 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Thomas H. Gimer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what fun would that be??? I gotta get my rush, relaxation, thrills...etc..heheheheh (wink, wink) ;~) ---"Thomas H. Gimer" wrote: > > Then slow down a little bit, goddamnit! ;-D _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 17:04:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08364; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17930 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05800 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA05790 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Cornering style/speed In-Reply-To: <03ca01bdc6e9$c000cf00$3bf31bce@richard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > Then slow down a little bit, goddamnit! ;-D > > Craig wrote: > >Oh yeah...That will be none to soon IMHO.... > >I need some company up front....hehehehheheeh I think the real difference between Craig and the rest of us is his lack of 'fear' at corner entrances. While I know I was a bit off this past weekend I don't think I'd enter corners as fast as Craig does even if I was 'on'. Even more interesting to me is that Craig rides parallel to the center line ("hugging" the center line, is what he called it). The combination of hugging the center line (which doesn't give you as much of a view of the corner as starting from the outside) and entering corners with extreme confidence is a little bit weird to me. I've ridden with a fair number of good riders and Craig is the only one to exhibit both of these characteristics. I'm a bit envious of his confidence. I'm not so sure that I'd want to emulate this style though... I do learn things just about every time I follow someone different. Speaking of envy, I'm also envious of all the guys who get out riding most weekends. I know you guys are improving while I basically sit in the same place... Bastards! Another person with a different style is Todd. I don't know how he manages to get around so fast while counter leaning with his upper body. It looks to me like his shoulders don't follow when he dumps the bike into a corner. The silver reflective stuff on the back of his jacket makes it easy to verify... Oh, but don't fix this Todd as you'd just be that much faster. :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 18:07:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09252; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20048 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07747 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-152.s152.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.152]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09806; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D359BB.46F52E8E@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:25:15 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dunlops (207,204, 202 and 364) are all about as triangular as they come, with the 207 feeling like riding on a knife edge. As far as mounting them backwards, this only applies to the ones made overseas...they started making them over here in 98 and those tires cannot be reversed. Here's the tricky part. For the us tires, mount the tires with the direction arrow going the right way..however, they reversed the tread pattern, so this will look the same as a euro tire mounted backwards :) Kirk Roy wrote: > Dunlops rule? I've never actually used Dunlops (just Michelin, Metzeler, > Avon, and Bridgestone). Supposedly, the compound on the 207GPs is good > enough to make up for going to a bigger tire on the front of the Hawk > (from a 110/80/17 to a 120/60/17 on a 2.5" wheel). Even Dunlop recommends > it (they also recommend running that tire backwards). Do the Dunlops have > a round profile? _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 20:49:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11660; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24244 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11115 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr32-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXN00NQKKC02E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:07:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:04:43 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Hotel To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002d01bdc730$4a0151c0$f34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Nice........... -----Original Message----- From: Viteri, Ursulina To: 'SCOTT Rush' ; 'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX' ; 'ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX' ; 'pgerhardt@XXXXXX' ; 'dawn.jon@XXXXXX' Cc: 'Jay - CBR 600' Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 6:10 AM Subject: RE: Hotel >Count me OUT. :-( Just found out that Collin and his friend Mike are >racing on Sat & Sunday (8-28 & 29) and since he's my bud, I gotta be at >Summit Point. > >Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:54 PM >>To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX; pgerhardt@XXXXXX; >>dawn.jon@XXXXXX >>Subject: Hotel >> >>** High Priority ** >> >>OK. I got a call back from The Moutain Top Lodge group sales guy Steve. The >>rate he gave me was $69+tax per night per room. I went ahead and made the >>reservations for 3 rooms. If we only need 2 rooms, we can cancel one up >>until the day before. He said they are located off 80 East on exit 42. The >>racetrack is one exit up at exit 43. If you're not going, let me know so I >>can cancel the other room. >> >>Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 21:20:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12145; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24347 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11624 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr32-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EXN00KI4LS446@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:38:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:35:59 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - the Latest. To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <007a01bdc734$a8364e40$f34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >> We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this >> subject to drop until we're done. > >Wow, Todd, thanks for taking the bull by the horns. This topic has been >popping up with no one (including myself) willing to take the lead. > >Kirk > Agreed........I'm gonna get a "Want-Ads" tomorrow and see if there is anything in there. I'll keep bugging the tool guys at work too. Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 21:39:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12393; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24458 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11894 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWHSa12041 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:57:29 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <24ffe658.35d38b7b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:57:29 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tire wear - Dunlops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-13 18:50:13 EDT, you write: << Dunlops (207,204, 202 and 364) are all about as triangular as they come, with the 207 feeling like riding on a knife edge. >> I just had a 207ZR rear and a 204 Racing front put on and Collin is right. The turn in on these tires is amazing. Im used to Metzelers with the rounder profile. When I turn her in now she wants to go even lower than I care to go. Not that this is a bad thing of course ; ). I have a TON of confidence in these tires. I recommend them. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 21:49:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12450; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24579 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12089 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26421 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr32-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXN00HRWN4BRL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:07:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:04:54 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Craig needs company up front.. un-huh To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00e801bdc738$b22e0ba0$f34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Alright Craig.. I think Jon S was saying he's fast.. you 2 ought to >arrange for a ride together.. > >Brian P. McCoy Me? I'd love to go on another ride. Maybe next time there won't be 20 guys cramming into the "fast" group. But according to Dale, he'd smoke me in a blink of an eye. Maybe he should be leading some group rides........ 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 22:01:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12618; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24685 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12266 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr32-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXN00KM7NNZZX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:19:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:16:41 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00f601bdc73a$57bee200$f34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Hey Jon, I'm not interested in a race.. but I'll go out and ride with >you again.. I've got a few thousand miles on my bike now and feel like >I can actually corner unlike last time (I'd put maybe 200 miles on by >then). You can even pick the roads if you want.. Erg, I'll even take >Collin as a passenger to even out the 100cc engine difference. > >Brian P. McCoy We'll have to do that soon. Maybe Collin will get his street bike on the road so he won't have to ride pilon. Forget the cc difference. If I can't keep up in the corners with a lighter, more nimble bike, then you can kick my ass. That's rider, not cc's and I'd deserve it. Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 22:44:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13112; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24984 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13020 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-15.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.56]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10721 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: <048301bdc727$8a74bc00$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool (thoughts wander to . . .) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:44:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hmmm. You know, the list of people who are seriously interested might be the start of a Dealer-deal -- the group gives a company its business (perhaps minimum dollars) for good (spelled great) prices/service, reviewed annually, etc. Parts, service, mounting, or whatever. Lots of options. ??? Bill Swanson / DC 99 VN750. Being trained. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 22:44:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13116; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24987 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13027 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-15.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.56]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10732 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: <048501bdc727$8d6684c0$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: MC Industry Study Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:59:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >From July/August Winding Road Motorcycle Times -- "J.D. 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