From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 01:24:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05685; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08302 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03536 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:42:05 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZSUa13455; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ab804a6.35c29c76@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:41:25 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Jaynik@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, srush@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: POCONO RACES ----> Its a GO!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thats right... i got my requested time off, Aug. 29-30. So I plan on riding up there saturday morning, coming home sunday night. Anyone else trying to go? so far I got: Jon S. Jay T. Scott R. and ME =). If this is it, cool, if more want to go, cool too. =) To those listed above, lets get our heads together and get a hotel setup. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 18:46:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10638; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14007 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12204 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA13752; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: GPz Mailing List , "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: GPz Down for the Count Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I a while ago I had neglected the oil maintenance on the GPz and she stopped shifting as a result. I added oil and things seemed to be OK (after finding the proper level). Last night, I blew the clutch apart. It seems that some of the only surviving parts are the friction/clutch plates. Almost everything else needs to be replace (hub, housing, springs, etc). Total parts cost estimate is around $600-$700. Anyone have any suggestions on how to reduce the parts cost? Are junkyard parts OK for these kinds of things? DC Cycles: Anyone have a clutch holder tool that I could borrow, or have a good home-made one? Thank you. Meanwhile, my wife has graciously offered to let me use her bike (GS650GL). -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 19:31:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10843; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14227 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12655 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-04.dial.nova.org (ra1-04.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.164]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA29680 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: GPz Down for the Count Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 22:53:08 GMT Message-ID: <36039bbf.97201194@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT), Morris Berman wrote: >DC Cycles: Anyone have a clutch holder tool that I could borrow, or = have=20 >a good home-made one? How about tying something around the swingarm and through the rear wheel to keep things from moving? Or just put it into a high gear (assuming you can get into one) and use the rear brake? Then you don't need a clutch holder. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 1 19:55:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10896; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14347 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12858 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQCPa22301 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559705b5.35c3a12c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:13:47 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Heyser Cycle Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Hmmm.......I stopped by there today. Well, didnt actually stop by since its a long ass ride in the first place but anyway. They ARE having a nice bike sale. Saw a new ZX6R for $6199. Very good price. On to the bad news. They are having a tire sale as well. You can take 20% off the price of the rubber or get free mounting. Sounds good at first until you actually see the prices of the tires!!! OHMYGOD was the first thing that came to mind. Tires that you normally see for $180 were priced at $220 and up! Being in the market for new rubber they were trying to sell me some Pirelli Dragons (200 for rear and 150 for front). They also said that no one has 207s in stock and they are all backordered. Hmmm......I went to CycleSport Springfield later in the day and there was a 207ZR 180 for $139! Well I rode home on a new set of tires........the 207zr rear and a 204 racing front ($100). Mounting is where they hit you at CycleSport. Oh well, the bike feels like its on rails now so I cant complain. So much for Heysers big sale. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 11:55:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16038; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18039 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19688 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA20193; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:14:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-60.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.124) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020185; Sun Aug 2 10:14:43 1998 Message-ID: <35C4ACED.CE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:16:13 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Afternoon Pickup Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suddenly have the afternoon/evening off with nothing to do but ride, anyone for a pickup ride West of the metro area today...I'll leave this on for another hour or two before I take off. Later... HoooRahhhh -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 14:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16711; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18443 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21011 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20770 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust012.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.12]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA18665 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:24:23 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980801172304.00686574@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:23:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Saturday Ride Thanks Anita. I had a great time. Anita had enough route sheets for everyone, it was a nice easy pace out 55 to Point of Rocks with a couple of rest stops along the way. There were a lot of people at the Amoco at Marshall, but only 7 of us started out together. Zbig and Glenn were the fast guys, Anita was our leader, Ursulina, Leslie on a Kat 750, and Butch (the guy who didn't follow the dress code thread) on a new KLR650. Ursulina and I traded bikes for about 20-30 miles. I can see why she rides slowly and doesn't lean. I slid the front twice, once over some rocks/rough pavement. The other time there was only a black stripe down the middle, it acted like oil, but no one else had any problem with it. I think the problem is just that it's a very old, very hard tire. Her bike also has a VERY different seating style. The 454 LTD could probably be made to have a seating style close to the Ninja 250; put a set of drag bars on it, and move the controls back to the passenger pegs, and it would be quite similar. As it is, I found two comfortable positions. For the first one, I laid back until my shoulders were almost against the passenger's backrest, it feels like riding one of those recliner bicycles, but I guess one could get used to it. The other comfortable position was to lean forward until my shoulders almost touched the mirrors. The second method works better for trying to keep up. We had lunch at the Front Porch Restaurant at Point of Rocks. Zbig had a great suggestion that for future rides, we should specify the lunch break rather than the start point. This would require a little more planning before the ride, but it would allow for the big group at lunch with smaller groups going their own way to get there. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:12:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17560; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18957 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22219 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23496 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA09113; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:31:19 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Roy D. Turner" Cc: "Anita Lauro" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Gary Foreman, LCSA'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [Dress Code] Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 19:35:05 GMT Message-ID: <35c7be9d.578440512@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199808010010.UAA23306@smtp1.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <199808010010.UAA23306@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:08:36 -0400, "Roy D. Turner" wrote: >Anita: You would make a great politician!! ( I really mean that as a >complement). Roy D. Turner, Esq. Roy, Thanks for the complement (even though being called a "politician" these days isn't always a good thing). However, I need rescind my statement that jeans aren't that much better than shorts... jeans are MUCH better than shorts. Leathers or other riding pants would of course still be much better than jeans. After my little incident this morning low-siding my bike I have bruises on my knee but no road rash. My jeans held up, and for that, among other things, I am thankful. Anita '96 GPZ1100 (no longer so new looking) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:50:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17829; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19084 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22615 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21292 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA09551 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:13:37 GMT Message-ID: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a weekend! Had a great ride to Seneca Rocks yesterday... 350+ enjoyable miles. Nearly got run off the road by a house (on a trailer), but all in all a good day. Was tired when I got home, but not exhausted. Today I was debating whether to ride or not. Wound up heading to the Wendy's in Chantilly to meet up with Alan Wheat intending to do the ABATE poker run. Turnout was light (Alan, a friend of his whose name I won't try to spell, his passenger, and myself) so we decided to bag the poker run and hit some of our favorite roads. Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next weekend. Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to crash the next time we ride together! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 16:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17921; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19093 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22633 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21297 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id INSFa13456 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7817bdca.35c4c84f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:13:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Saturday/Sunday round trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 me and a friend went from DC to Baltimore via BW Parkway, starting saturday afternoon, hung out at the harbor for a couple hours, then took Route 2 to Annapolis - VERY pleasant riding - little 2-lane, not too speedy (we like to actually SEE the things we pass by ;D ) roamed about Annapolis, had coffee, rode around a bit, had dinner, after dinner it was about 10-11 pm and darn chilly! we had no warm clothes as we didn't plan to stay so late .... found a cheap hotel and rode back this morning, route 2 to route 215? (2-something anyway) which goes north and turns into East Capitol street. THAT was beautiful - perfect day for riding - curvy one-lane road ..... not too much traffic and most of what there WAS was very polite ...... beautiful Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 19:17:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18983; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19949 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24242 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.241]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 270; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:35:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35C4EA55.D870E3A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:38:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. > Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. Anita, Oh no! I'm sorry to hear about your mishap. I think I know which 10mph curve you are talking about on Braddock, and yes, it is tricky. Don't be too hard on yourself. Wishing your bike a speedy recovery! It sounds mostly cosmetic, although that still sometimes isn't cheap. :( Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:17:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19274; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20236 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24985 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21866 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01849; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:21 -0400 Message-ID: <053801bdbe6e$4c61cdc0$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:35:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Purple medals called for -- a purple heart for you a purple sparkplug for the GPZ. Quick and sure mending to you both. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> . . . Turned out I should have done the poker run... . . . Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:31:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19439; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20292 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25140 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21898 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02028; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: <053f01bdbe70$5a524e80$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: , Subject: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:50:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 On my next trip to A. I'm taking another look at the metal conquistador helmet in the surplus store at mid-Main Street (there in June). Drawbacks yes, but undoubtedly Cortez-approved against all kinds of hazards. "cheap hotel". What price the name? That sounds like a find. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX . . .. then took Route 2 to >Annapolis - . . . found a >cheap hotel . . .. > >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:50:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19524; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20416 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25344 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA09940; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:08:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.102) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009932; Sun Aug 2 19:08:15 1998 Message-ID: <35C529F7.58D3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:09:43 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anita@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ouch, Sorry to hear that Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, first off at least you are ok, secondly as the old saying goes, there are those who have and those who will, so dont take it too hard. Been there /done that myself. At least now you wont worry about the first ding. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:51:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19540; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20429 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25388 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port2.annex4.radix.net [209.48.225.130]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20177 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4FDE2.270A@radix.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:01:38 -0400 From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Reply-To: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Anita, I'm WAY sorry to hear about the bike but glad you're ok! Hope they get your bike back in shape quickly and inexpensively. Dawn 1996 Virago 1100 Special -- *=====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *=====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 20:54:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19588; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20433 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25418 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21966 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA13345 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 00:17:47 GMT Message-ID: <35d30004.595185674@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46orgot to mention, further proof that people are idiots. Tow truck comes, driver loads the bike up on the flatbed, and we are on our merry way. I'm sitting with the driver in the cab, holding my jacket, helmet, tank bag, etc. Driver notices my jacket and says... I swear this is true... "Why do you wear that jacket when it's this warm out? Because of the wind?" AAUUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!! I just pointed to my bike on the bed behind us and didn't say anything. You'd think the fact that I didn't have blood dripping from anywhere would have registered with the guy!!! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (truly broken in now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:09:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19668; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20481 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25590 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05523 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.104] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00851; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:28:44 -0400 Message-ID: <002801bdbe75$344f3860$6873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:25:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from >the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. >Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I >didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly >I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and >my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, >and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. I, for one, am _very_ glad to hear you're okay! Bikes can be replaced, people cannot. >Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike >should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be >gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next >weekend. Glad to hear it. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:43:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19887; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21021 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25935 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic3.cais.com [207.226.56.3]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id UAA13181 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601bdbe93$2a656540$0338e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ouch !!! Glad you're ok, Sorry about your bike. Wow I hope you can get it back together in time for the trip next weekend. If there's anything I can do let me know. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R "Loki" -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 2:15 PM Subject: Another GPZ down for the count... What a weekend! Had a great ride to Seneca Rocks yesterday... 350+ enjoyable miles. Nearly got run off the road by a house (on a trailer), but all in all a good day. Was tired when I got home, but not exhausted. Today I was debating whether to ride or not. Wound up heading to the Wendy's in Chantilly to meet up with Alan Wheat intending to do the ABATE poker run. Turnout was light (Alan, a friend of his whose name I won't try to spell, his passenger, and myself) so we decided to bag the poker run and hit some of our favorite roads. Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next weekend. Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to crash the next time we ride together! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 21:55:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19940; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21102 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26104 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-4.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.45]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03298 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdbe7c$0611e4a0$2d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Virtual Riding (Quasi-moto content) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:13:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 For the motion machine impaired -- Currently suffering from Parked Motorcycle Syndrome, have immersed myself in a couple of books that brought sensations akin to the elements-in-the-face arousal of riding. Want 100 foot waves, 100 knot gales, small 70-ft fishing boats and others, people of the sea, weather/comms, helicopters, water rescues, air refueling, protective clothing, etc.? *Nonfiction*, all happening in the fall of 1991. Man/technology/nature in extremis. Be prepared to go cover-to-cover in one sitting. "The Perfect Storm", Sebastian Junger. No. 1 NYT pprbk bestseller. For great visceral storytelling revisited: wolves, -50 deg. weather (yes, yes), sled dogs, bawdy houses, John Barleycorn, gold rush, Hawaiian/South Seas tales of pearls and chieftains, Alice telling her soul. "The Collected Jack London" Barnes and Noble 1992. (Not finished with this one.) All along the lines of Zen and the Art . . .. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 22:44:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20263; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21331 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26602 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA18225; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:03:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.102) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018160; Sun Aug 2 21:03:20 1998 Message-ID: <35C544F4.4687@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:04:52 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody up for a Monday Ride? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I am off Tomorrow and planning a loop around Warrenton etc, anybody up for a monday ride, Im open to any other location. Will check the email before I leave probably around 9am... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 2 23:28:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20546; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21866 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27041 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11474 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.21] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA01198 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bdbe88$9981eb20$1573c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Looking for David Wakefield Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:44:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Dave, please email me. I need to contact you. Anyone w/ Dave's email address, please forward it to me. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 00:19:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21456; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22087 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27812 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf149.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.149]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA13442; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101bdbe90$17cb2800$423cfea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: New Summit Point Pictures Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have new Summit Point pictures from Sunday's races. Maybe your favorite racer's pic is there? Go to: http://www.fj1100.com/pages/summit.htm Hope you enjoy! Gary Foreman gforeman@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 02:06:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22174; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23445 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28951 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:25:15 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLLOa02268 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:24:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Old faithful says goodbye! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well gang, I'm no salesman, but the bike sold itself. My friend who wanted to buy the Ninja 250 went for a "lesson" today on my Nighthawk at a local parking lot. I was just teaching hime the basics (like where the controls are and how to use them). He had never driven clutch before so he had a hard time with it. Consequently, he dumped the bike (and himself) in some grass next to the parking lot when he attempted to stop but left the clutch out and gave it gas to keep from stalling with the brakes applied! No damage other than a bent gear-shifter (easily repaired!), so he got back up, realized his mistake, and continued riding! After another 2 hours riding, he stopped, got off the bike, and bought it from me!! I'll deliver it next weekend (when he gets paid again!). I'd much rather sell it to him and see it get fixed up and ridden. So the bottom line is... The Nighthawk is sold! Sorry all those that said they might be interested! He said he's gonna use it sometime next May. Then he's gonna look into a sportbike and give the Nighthawk to his girlfriend so she can learn to ride. geez, that will be the.. uh...5th person that it's been the first bike for! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow (ugh, hope that hydraulic clutch system gets fixed soon!) 85 Nighthawk (gone, but I'll see it every time I ride with him) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 03:15:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22632; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23810 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29718 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 02:32:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdbea8$827daf20$3380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and fittings to make steel braided brake lines? In an attempt to make the Wing do something silly like stop when you pull the brake lever, I think I'm gonna have to replace the rubber lines. May as well upgrade at the same time. And no, as far as I can tell, nobody makes a replacement set. Gonna have to make 'em myself. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 03:18:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22643; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23815 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29728 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 02:35:04 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , Subject: RE: Old faithful says goodbye! Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdbea8$da6cf9c0$3380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Please tell me you mean he's going to use it until May. Seemed like you were saying he wouldn't use it *until* may... BTW, good for you AND good for him. Just think how he'd have felt if he'd bought a new Ninja and dumped it like he did the Nighthawk. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 04:49:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23428; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA24511 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA00757 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA14487; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:05:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:57:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Race at Mid Ohio on Home Team Sports NOW To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35e45e8b.15984782@beta.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 1 Aug 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > Superbike racing on tv now... It was also on Thurs on Cycle World(think that's on every Thurs @8pm). Kinda a disappointing race.The Suzi got the holeshot and noone got near him.Chandler was taking it real easy 'cause of his injury.The VR seemed to be doing good at first,but then started having electrical glitches.Man I wish HD would put some money in their team. Interesting observation;in the last World Superbike race I saw,the RC's were running standard swingarms.But in the AMA race the Erion bikes had the single-sides.Wonder if this is because of team preference or division rules? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 07:50:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24586; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25172 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02764 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02729 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:02:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That sux Anita. The good news is you are OK. Don't think just because you didn't go on the poker run you may not of had an incident. You never know, you could have been involved in a worse one! The bad news is you have to fix your bike. No biggie. Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: Home (703) 658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 Work (703) 692-9021 Glenn > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. > Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I > didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly > I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and > my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, > and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. > > The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the > left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up > the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... > the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in > gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow > truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we > waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out > how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). > > What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it > was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the > time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there > goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far > over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in > yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't > any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... > nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. > Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. > > Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike > should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be > gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next > weekend. > > Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike > stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to > crash the next time we ride together! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 07:53:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24609; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25176 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02778 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02799 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:06:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) OK, here it is again... Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't have any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down the street at Arlington Electronics. And you should be real happy with this since you won't be giving your money to those "mail order places". Glenn > Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and > fittings to make steel braided brake lines? In an attempt to make the Wing > do something silly like stop when you pull the brake lever, I think I'm > gonna have to replace the rubber lines. May as well upgrade at the same > time. And no, as far as I can tell, nobody makes a replacement set. Gonna > have to make 'em myself. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 08:29:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24838; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25346 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03128 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980803114227.18588.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.122.54.194] by send1d; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:42:27 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:42:27 -0700 (PDT) From: James Campbell Subject: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well folks, the CAMS ride Sunday was my first group ride. Good people. Nice bikes. Decent pace. I had to pull out a bit early to hit the Super Slab and get home so the wife could make it to work, but no mishaps were reported by the time I left. I'm guessing everyone made it home safe. Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. Thanks for letting me tag along.... Sarge 98 FLSTF aka James Campbell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:10:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25093; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25586 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03662 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24500 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA24500@saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD12397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:09 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400 To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... In-Reply-To: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:13 PM 8/2/98 +0000, Anita Lauro wrote: > Most importantly I'm not injured Glad you're okay. >What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it >was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the >time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there >goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far >over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in >yet so the tire just slid out. That's possible. Two other possiblities are 1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted the ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. 2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. This extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should lean with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright. If you find yourself running out of arm length when countersteering through a turn, then you're probably not leaning with the bike (if your body doesn't lean with the bike, the inside handlebar is farther away than if your body does lean). Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those tires if they're very old. I bought a bike with original, 13-year-old tires on it. I pressed them with my thumb to "check" tire pressure before I test rode it. It handled like a pig, and I finally traced it to the tire pressure - 10 lbs. in one, and an unmeasurably low pressure in the other tire. A friend called them "old, cast-iron tires" - which I agreed with and replaced them right away. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:11:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25098; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25587 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03663 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA03663@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD14397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:11 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:33:17 -0400 To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: braided lines In-Reply-To: <000801bdbea8$827daf20$3380e2cf@ghowell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:32 AM 8/3/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and >fittings to make steel braided brake lines? I found a shop that shipped my rubber brake hoses to Galfer, who made braided steel lines just like the rubber hoses. The shop might be out of business now, it was in White Plains, Maryland, in the industrial area across the road from Atlantic Cycle - it was a small shop, a hundred feet from Kustom Chrome, I think. Anyway, inquire about Galfer - I bet they could do what you want. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:11:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25102; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25583 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03656 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031230.IAA03656@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD16397F00C6; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:29:10 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:27:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Old faithful says goodbye! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:24 AM 8/3/98 -0400, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >I was just teaching hime the basics (like where the controls are and how >to use them). He had never driven clutch before so he had a hard time with it. >Consequently, he dumped the bike...After another 2 hours riding, he stopped, >got off the bike, and bought it from me!! I'll deliver it next weekend Be sure to tell him to take the motorcycle riding course (NoVa Community College in Virginia, 800-638-1722 in Maryland). He could really use it, and tell him it's an easy way to get his license and to practice on someone elses bike. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:12:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25132; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25612 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03727 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.14 (pix000093.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.105]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA18598 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:32:15 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9808030834.AA04233@172.17.2.14> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:34:04 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Questions on Technic Jackets Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Hey All, I saw a Technic (Tecnic??) jacket at Cycle Sports in Herndon last weekend for $279. It was a summer leather I suppose as it had all the perforated holes or whatever you call them. (I think the model was the Chicane??) It had the plastics in the elbows and back Anyhow, it was a Technic jacket, so I'm wondering A. Are those good/quality jackets? B. How does that price sound? Thanks for any info. Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:32:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25313; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26038 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03925 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02356 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: <005801bdbedd$6afc2040$2d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Guggenheim's Most Popular Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:51:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Below from the front page of the New York Times today -- Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ******** Biker Crowd Finds Harley Heaven at Highbrow Museum By CAROL VOGEL Bikers have brought record crowds to the Guggenheim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- . . .. The cause of this convergence, to the consternation of more traditionalist elements in the art world, is "The Art of the Motorcycle," an exhibition quite different from anything else that the Museum Mile on Fifth Avenue has ever experienced. Bathed in biker glory, it has become the most highly attended exhibition in the Guggenheim's 61-year history, far outstripping retrospectives of Robert Rauschenberg, Roy Lichtenstein and Ellsworth Kelly and more popular than authoritative surveys of Chinese, Russian and Italian art. And the crowds are growing steadily. Right now, the average attendance at the relatively modest-size museum is about 45 percent higher than normal, with more than 5,000 people a day visiting on the weekends. If this popularity continues, Guggenheim officials say, they expect more than 500,000 people to have seen "The Art of the Motorcycle" by the time it closes on Sept. 20, and they estimate that the museum could make upward of $1 million on ticket and retail sales alone. Consider the sales: The exhibition's 427-page color catalog ($85 for the hardcover; $45 for the paperback) has gone through a first printing of 30,000, and a second printing is under way. Along with the de rigueur motorcycle books, mugs, T-shirts, beach blankets, posters and postcards, there are a Ducati windbreaker ($45), "The Henna Body Art Kit: Everything You Need to Create Stunning Temporary Tattoos" ($29.95), a child's red plastic BMW motorcycle ($120) and a full set of bright red or yellow Ducati one-piece leather jump suits ($1,595). . . .. On display is a chronological look at motorcycles beginning on the museum's ground floor with the earliest-known example, the 1868 French velocipede, which resembles a bicycle with a steam engine under its seat, all the way up to a shiny red-and-gray MV Agusta F4, this year's hottest Italian motorcycle. Created by a noted designer, Massimo Tamburini, it has a four-cylinder engine designed by the Ferrari car company and looks like something Batman would ride in the 21st century. But is it art? The exhibition has left some cognoscenti groaning. "The Guggenheim might bring in more people if they offered rides from Coney Island," said Stephen Mazoh, a private art dealer from Rhinebeck, N.Y., whose clients have included some of this country's most important collectors, among them Walter Annenberg, Ronald Lauder, Leonard Lauder and Donald Marron. "Motorcycles belong in a design museum or a museum for automobiles, but not at the Guggenheim," Mazoh said. "They may think they're getting a new audience, but none of these people will come back." Krens said the show never made the claim that motorcycles were art. "We are interested in 20th-century culture," he said. "Obviously we're extending the traditional frame of the museum. Motorcycles gave us a rich cultural narrative, and this show is a serious attempt to look at an icon of our time." More than 30 iconically inclined motorcycle clubs have flooded the museum with group ticket requests, including the Cobras M.C. of Jamaica, Queens; the Star of David M.C. of Brooklyn and others from as far away as North Carolina and Wisconsin. "It was everyone's first time at the Guggenheim," said Don Miller, who with his wife, Peg, organized a museum outing for 21 members of the Bucks County Motorcycle Association, a 2-year-old club from Bristol, Pa. "The group particularly enjoyed the old gray Harley. It was the town-and-country exhaust that opened and closed that they thought was pretty cool." (He was referring to the 1911 Harley-Davidson Model 7D, popularly known as "the silent gray fellow.") Because museum officials had warned the group about the difficulties of parking in Manhattan, its members took a train to New York rather than riding their motorcycles, Miller said. After the show, the group had lunch at the Harley-Davidson Cafe at the Avenue of the Americas and 56th Street. . . .. For women who ride motorcycles, the Ducati Monster is also the rage. "I saw three women ride up to the museum on them last Sunday," said Ultan Guilfoyle, the Guggenheim's curatorial adviser to the show. "The look of them is aggressive yet sexy. In Italy, the 600-cc model is selling right now to more women than men." On view in the show is the M900 Monster 904-cc. . . .. All this said, the museum has also drawn the motorcycle-challenged. "My cousin has a 14-year-old son visiting from Knoxville, Tenn., and we thought this was something he'd be interested in," said Victoria Olds, 81, who carefully examined each bike. "My experience with motorcycles has only been the loud noise they make on the street. But I'm learning. They're really very beautiful machines." ******** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:53:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25678; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26308 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04261 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24684 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA23658; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <35dbb6fe.642035124@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199808031225.IAA18233@mail1.monumental.com> In-Reply-To: <199808031225.IAA18233@mail1.monumental.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400, you wrote: >That's possible. Two other possiblities are >1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted = the >ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the >ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. This is a good possibility... the tailpipe, centerstand, and sidestand all scraped the ground, as well as the shift lever, which was bent to a 45 degree angle before snapping the whole footpeg assembly off the bike. Plus the road was not banked, and definitely sloped away from the center (crowned I guess, except that turns are supposed to be banked). So, I didn't have to lean all that far over before stuff started touching down. >2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his >body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. = This >extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should = lean >with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright.=20 I think I lean okay... but I will be practicing cornering when I get the bike back.=20 >Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those >tires if they're very old. =20 Leon was riding Ursulina's bike, so I think those are the old, hard tires. My tires are technically 2 years old, but have less than a year of use on them. Thanks for the info! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (heading over to find out the bad news now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 09:58:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25785; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26424 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04360 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08041 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10399 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5B836.F85CE12@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:16:38 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: DON'T PAY FOR A TOW TRUCK! was GPZ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please add me to this list. I have a trailer with tie downs. If I can get access to something to tow it with, I can also help. I think I remember $90 as the cost for the truck. How long would you have to work to earn that amount? How many parts could you buy for that money? Leon Home (703) 590-9073 Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a > lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay > for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in > your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: > > Home (703) 658-4870 > Mobile (703) 855-4870 > Work (703) 692-9021 > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:16:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26094; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26658 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04720 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10978; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:36:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5BC76.775088A5@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:34:46 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Campbell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... References: <19980803114227.18588.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 > (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear > I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. > Some airplanes have radar transmitters, Virginia probably owns some airplanes. But I doubt that anyone in any state has ever gotten a speeding ticket from "airplane-based radar." I don't think Virginia uses airplanes for speed enforcement in any manner. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:39:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26464; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26913 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05298 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMTYa11436 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f8df66f.35c5c1cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:57:34 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guggenheim's Most Popular Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Nice little article, but I have to object to the idea that motorcycles are not art. They are MORE artful than alot of the junk I have seen in some museums. What do people usually think of when you talk about art and artists?? The artist has a passion for his work. The design of it comes from within the artist. Art is so intricate and has so many sides thats its near impossible to find them all. Hmmmm.......sounds like motorcycling to me. They should ask some of the Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Duc, etc designers if they care about their work. Ive seen interviews with the designers and engineers and I can say that they are just as zealous about their work as Da Vinci or Picasso. All designs originate within the designers, look at the R1. So intricate and complex and every single piece came from within the engineers, etc. Sorry to be so long winded, but bikes are an art all to themselves. Like alot of art, only some people can appreciate it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:40:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26485; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27032 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05363 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25064 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:59:19 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id EXSWa11435; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <735a8610.35c5c20d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:58:36 EDT To: mobacc@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/2/98 8:56:08 PM, mobacc@XXXXXX wrote: <<"cheap hotel". What price the name? That sounds like a find.>> it was an Econolodge - but we kind of got a deal :D the rooms were going for $100 a night but since we only lived a half hour or so away we didn't want to pay more than $20. We asked the price, guy said $100 but then added "unless you want a room with no towels, those are going for $40" hmmmm. no towels? no problem! take a shower when i get home in the morning...... I said, "how about $25?" He said, "I can let it go for $30" I said, " Oh C'mon! no one else is going to come in a nd take a room without towels!" End result: $25 for the room, $3 for tax, plus a $5 key deposit, returned upon departure. :D Life is good. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 10:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26733; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27505 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05889 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04766 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:14:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803141404.OFS876@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:14:04 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdbee8$f776f3a0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35cac1fd.579304761@relay.mnsinc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sorry to hear about your accident. Glad you are ok. I broke the left footpeg off my first bike 10 minutes into riding. I moved the passenger peg up and continued riding. Well, actually I went to the dealer and ordered a new one (and engine guards). A set of small vise-grips might sub for a clutch lever in a pinch (pun intended). Always thinking of ways to keep the bike running... Hope it gets fixed in time for your trip. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze Anita Lauro said: Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:10:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27170; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27860 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06470 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25432 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06610; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... In-Reply-To: <35dbb6fe.642035124@relay.mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know that turn... almost ate it there a bit back... yep it is crowned... and I almost freaked when I saw the 10MPH sign... (I personaly can only counter stear at 15-20... no slower...) To top that off some dork two cars infront of me decided that his truck could not make it, and slammed on his brakes... I was then braking on a slightly leaning, but turning the handle bar 10MPH turn on a crowned rode! I decided I needed a little refreshment brake when I passed the next 7-11. To make it worse I had layed down in a tight turn just two weeks earlier, so I was still taking turns with a bit more fear then normal. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:21:52 -0400, you wrote: > > >That's possible. Two other possiblities are > >1. You were going too fast and as you leaned, the hard parts contacted the > >ground (after the footpegs). This will lever the rear wheel off the > >ground, and then you're just sliding on the shiny parts. > > This is a good possibility... the tailpipe, centerstand, and sidestand > all scraped the ground, as well as the shift lever, which was bent to > a 45 degree angle before snapping the whole footpeg assembly off the > bike. Plus the road was not banked, and definitely sloped away from > the center (crowned I guess, except that turns are supposed to be > banked). So, I didn't have to lean all that far over before stuff > started touching down. > > >2. You might not have been leaning with the bike - if a rider keeps his > >body more vertical, the bike requires more lean to get around a turn. This > >extra lean can cause the hard parts to ground out. Your body should lean > >with the bike, with your head tilting to stay upright. > > I think I lean okay... but I will be practicing cornering when I get > the bike back. > > >Based on Leon's earlier message, you might consider replacing both those > >tires if they're very old. > > Leon was riding Ursulina's bike, so I think those are the old, hard > tires. My tires are technically 2 years old, but have less than a > year of use on them. > > Thanks for the info! > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (heading over to find out the bad news now) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:10:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27180; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27864 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06531 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00632 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11827 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808031429.KAA11827@shell.clark.net> Subject: Cost of towing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I just wanted to make one comment about the towing cost, and towing programs. It's great that we have a bunch of people who are willing to come out and tow us if we need it, and if I had more than a wimpy Grand Am, I'd probably join in that group. However, there are some towing programs out there (handy if you are out of town). I just saw a new one which looked really interesting that I wanted to let you know about. It's a Motorcycle Riders Visa card. Just a regular credit card, but one of the member benefits is free towing (more accurately, the first $100 is free). I saw the brochure at Coleman's Woodbridge. I read it over several times, and asked several questions to the finance guy, but it seems ligit. It's through MTS, which is what most of the towing plans use. There is no annual fee for the credit card. You even get to pick what kind of motorcycles you want on the card (touring, dirt, etc). I just got the card and information. There is a limit of 4 tows a year (seems reasonable). Other than that I couldn't find any other catch. I always pay my card in full (except when the Post office looses my bill, but that's a different story) so it seems to be like getting towing service for free. I hope I'll never need it, but it's nice to know it's there. There are brochures at Coleman's in Woodbridge (I wouldn't know about Falls Church, I rarely go there) for more info. I hope I'm not making this sound like spam. Just wanted to let you all know. If anyone does find out about any catches that I didn't see, please let me know! Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:13:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27223; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27904 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06634 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 142; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5CA11.19AFD88F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:32:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anybody up for a Monday Ride? References: <35C544F4.4687@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gee, Ken, Thanks for kicking a guy when he's down. Mondays at work are bad enough. Hope you have a good ride in spite of my ill will. :) All the above in jest, of course! Dale Ken wrote: > > Well, I am off Tomorrow and planning a loop around Warrenton etc, > anybody up for a monday ride, Im open to any other location. Will check > the email before I leave probably around 9am... > -- > Ken S. > HDKnight > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:16:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27258; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28013 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06721 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Dc Cycles Subject: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:41:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Stopped by Cycle Sport on the way into work... I guess I should make note of the service manager's name since he's always nice to me! Anyhow, he said that if I pay extra for shipping they should be able to fix the mechanical part (new clutch lever, footpeg, shifter and big metal piece that the footpeg assembly bolts to) by Friday. He said if the parts were local they might be able to fix everything, but I'm not expecting that. The bill is going to be high... a new front fairing, lower left fairing and tailpipe will be over $1,000. Never mind the labor and other bits. Ack! I decided to go ahead with the insurance claim... turns out that my accident free discount on my car policy will remain intact because it is a separate policy. I'll be able to submit the tow charge as part of the claim as well. Must have been a bad weekend for accidents, the lady I spoke with said it was her third accident report this morning. Took some pictures of my bike for my photo album... the good side, and the bad side! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (ouch!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:18:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27290; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28086 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06763 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06823; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA02847; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA22077; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:40 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA22073; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:39 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDBEB1.7303A730@XXXXXX>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride/Ursulina's new tire Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:30:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 60 TEXT, 82 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Leon, Thanks for giving me a good excuse for not leaning and riding slow, but now that I've got the new tire on I guess I'll have to come up with a new set of excuses. ;-) Leon, thanks again for all the effort that went into replacing my front tire. It rides great and feels much smoother around corners. WV twisties here I come!!! :-D Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 10:23 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Ride Thanks Anita. I had a great time. Anita had enough route sheets for everyone, it was a nice easy pace out 55 to Point of Rocks with a couple of rest stops along the way. There were a lot of people at the Amoco at Marshall, but only 7 of us started out together. Zbig and Glenn were the fast guys, Anita was our leader, Ursulina, Leslie on a Kat 750, and Butch (the guy who didn't follow the dress code thread) on a new KLR650. Ursulina and I traded bikes for about 20-30 miles. I can see why she rides slowly and doesn't lean. I slid the front twice, once over some rocks/rough pavement. 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M5%1-04E,)7 ]0514)6P]2%%%3D=?35-',#(M.3@P.# S,30S,#4Q6BTT-3- <:'$M;7-G,#$N;G=E; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06783 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11668 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:43:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Leon Begeman , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: DON'T PAY FOR A TOW TRUCK! was GPZ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:43:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, August 03, 1998 9:17 AM, Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] wrote: > I think I remember $90 as the cost for the truck. How long would you > have to work to earn that amount? How many parts could you buy for that > money? Yep, that's how much it cost. It'll count towards my deductible for the accident so in this case it worked out okay. But, I'll carry the numbers with me from now on! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:40:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27985; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28948 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07543 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12604 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 353; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:57:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35C5CFF8.B2E16CCC@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:58:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a > lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay > for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in > your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: > > Home (703) 658-4870 > Mobile (703) 855-4870 > Work (703) 692-9021 > > Glenn > Glenn, (and Collin, too) Thanks for the offer (as I quickly scribble down your phone number, I've already got Collin's) Here's hoping I never need to call either one of you guys for a tow, though, if you know what I mean... :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 11:48:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28306; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29193 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08120 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:04:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Guggenheim's Most Popular Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:04:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdbef0$06a447e0$3580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f8df66f.35c5c1cf@aol.com> > Nice little article, but I have to object to the idea that > motorcycles are not > art. They are MORE artful than alot of the junk I have seen in > some museums. > What do people usually think of when you talk about art and artists?? The > artist has a passion for his work. The design of it comes from within the > artist. Art is so intricate and has so many sides thats its near > impossible > to find them all. Hmmmm.......sounds like motorcycling to me. > They should ask some of the Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Duc, etc > designers if they > care about their work. Ive seen interviews with the designers > and engineers > and I can say that they are just as zealous about their work as > Da Vinci or > Picasso. All designs originate within the designers, look at the R1. So > intricate and complex and every single piece came from within the > engineers, > etc. > Sorry to be so long winded, but bikes are an art all to > themselves. Like alot > of art, only some people can appreciate it. > The real problem is that MORE people can appreciate the art in a motorcycle than they can the typical 'art' in the Guggenheim. That's the problem. Here is an art form that you don't have to be a pencil-necked art-snob effete to appreciate. Joe Six Pack might not be able to talk about the contrast of organic and metal, but he can certainly tell you that he likes the looks of a new Fat Boy. Art snobs are afraid. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:04:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28550; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29930 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08881 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26162 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27895; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803152155.BEYQ876@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:21:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803152155.BEYQ876@[166.41.242.141]> LOL!! That's a good one! Damn sorry to hear about your scrap with the tarmac, but it sounds like you've spent a little time thinking about it. That's good! Real glad you're OK! Bike is #2 priority dontcha know. Looking forward to seeing you out this Saturday. Todd __________________-original-________________ Forgot to mention, further proof that people are idiots. Tow truck comes, driver loads the bike up on the flatbed, and we are on our merry way. I'm sitting with the driver in the cab, holding my jacket, helmet, tank bag, etc. Driver notices my jacket and says... I swear this is true... "Why do you wear that jacket when it's this warm out? Because of the wind?" AAUUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!! I just pointed to my bike on the bed behind us and didn't say anything. You'd think the fact that I didn't have blood dripping from anywhere would have registered with the guy!!! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (truly broken in now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:10:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28717; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00237 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09227 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 347; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:28:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980803112750.00b316a0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:28:47 -0400 To: Leon Begeman , James Campbell From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Its funny this came up. Just yesterday I was with a friend in Richmond and he pointed at the spot he was pulled over - hit with Helicopter radar. The cop pointed to a spot and told him to watch, and sure enough, a helicopter popped out over the woods, then swept back in. He also mentioned seeing a MC Cop on an overpass shooting radar, and a mile down the road were 6 troopers in a row. I think airplanes would be a lot harder to shoot radar from. At least helicopters can hover (please no flames from Harrier pilots!) MT At 09:34 AM 8/3/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >> Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 >> (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear >> I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. >> > >Some airplanes have radar transmitters, Virginia probably owns some >airplanes. > >But I doubt that anyone in any state has ever gotten a speeding ticket >from "airplane-based radar." > >I don't think Virginia uses airplanes for speed enforcement in any >manner. > >-- >Leon >Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 >Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:36:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29666; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00963 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10742 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA18188; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803155441.VUFY11077@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:54:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: James Campbell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CAMS Ride w/dc-cycles folks too.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803155441.VUFY11077@[166.41.242.141]> Hi James, As far as I know, everyone made it home ok. The show was pretty cool too. Kind of fune to see what it must have been like not so very long ago. For everyone else that missed it, the ride attracted over 20 bikes at the start. The Silver Diner was buzzing. A very relaxed day heading out to Bealeton for the Flying Circus, and splitting up from there for home. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold. -- Helen Keller _____________-original-___________ Well folks, the CAMS ride Sunday was my first group ride. Good people. Nice bikes. Decent pace. I had to pull out a bit early to hit the Super Slab and get home so the wife could make it to work, but no mishaps were reported by the time I left. I'm guessing everyone made it home safe. Does ol' Virginny employ airplane-based radar? I was kissin' 90 on 66 (were talking about a Fat Boy here, so that's fast) and I could swear I saw the shadow of an airplane several times over a 30 mile strech. Thanks for letting me tag along.... Sarge 98 FLSTF aka James Campbell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29726; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01012 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10830 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z3N0K-0001DE-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:32 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:39 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45A7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Blue Book Page (?) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My friend who's buying the ZX wants to know the address of the page that lists motorcycle prices for used bikes. Does anyone have it? It's not on the MCN page as far as I can tell. I looked Friday. Thanks! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:42:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29780; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01110 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10907 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:00:57 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220131B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: bike tows.. Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Collin sure helped me out in a pinch 2 weeks ago too.. 7am, my clutch failed on the way to work. I was stranded. He drove (in rush hour traffic) way out of his way to come get me.. I managed to only be 2 hours late for work even.. I'd help people out too.. though I've no 4-wheeled vehicles at all, so it'd be limited to mechanical road-side assistance.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 12:53:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29970; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01259 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11552 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27679; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:11:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980803161127.BPTC876@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:11:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Gary Foreman" CC: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: Re: New Summit Point Pictures X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980803161127.BPTC876@[166.41.242.141]> Hey Gary, Not bad! A lot of the crash action occured during the National Endurance on Saturday though. Between turns 1 and 5 (where most of your pics seemed to come from), the race lost 13-14 bikes from a start of 38! Memorable moments for me (in turn 1): - Warm up lap for main event, rider goes down at beginning of turn and bike is toast. No race for him! - Third lap into main event, Brian Bemisderfer(sp) goes down in first third of turn. Brake lever is busted but bike is running. Brian punching himself in helmet, "Stupid, STUpid"!! DNF! - 2nd hour, contact in late apex and rider is down. Bike endovers off track but rider tumbles into center, head up stream. There are bikes JUST missing this guy in the middle of the track. Corner captain determines stars floating around helmet and gets the rider up and off the track...NO RED FLAG...WOW!! - Tanned brunnette wearing oh so little in the form of bikini, laying out on her station wagon :) Todd Message-ID: <001101bdbe90$17cb2800$423cfea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: New Summit Point Pictures Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:35:59 -0400 I have new Summit Point pictures from Sunday's races. Maybe your favorite racer's pic is there? Go to: http://www.fj1100.com/pages/summit.htm Hope you enjoy! 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T-Love --=_6D39901E.9CFD91AF-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 13:37:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00523; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02688 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13744 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA22422 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Hawk + VFR Stands (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is mostly for Bruce Norton since I know he's taken the center stand off his VFR but it may benefit others. I've seen these stands and they are heavy duty mothers... Not as convenient as one with wheels but for <$50 who cares. Kirk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:26:43 PDT From: Mitch Baghdoian To: HAWKGT-L@XXXXXX Subject: Hawk + VFR Stands I made up a batch of VFR stands, and I can modify them to fit the Hawk AND the VFR if anyone would like one. If you'd like a Hawk only stand I can do that too (cheaper than the Combo stands, 1 1/8" stock is much easier to find than 1 1/16") -Mitch in MI '88 Hawk GT Racebike Hawk/VFR Stands and Used Race Tires For Sale: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/1352/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 14:20:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01113; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04084 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15373 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQFYa20982 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6fa38229.35c5f566@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:37:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another GPZ.........where is this spot on Braddock Rd? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 I was just wondering where this spot is on Braddock Rd so that I can go take a look and know about it in the future!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 14:32:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01366; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04198 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15658 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20451 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:06:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) OK, here it is again... Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't have any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down the street at Arlington Electronics. And you should be real happy with this since you won't be giving your money to those "mail order places". Glenn > Anybody know a good local place (or even mail order) to find the hose and > fittings to make steel braided brake lines? In an attempt to make the Wing > do something silly like stop when you pull the brake lever, I think I'm > gonna have to replace the rubber lines. May as well upgrade at the same > time. And no, as far as I can tell, nobody makes a replacement set. Gonna > have to make 'em myself. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 14:32:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01370; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04195 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15654 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20441 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:02:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That sux Anita. The good news is you are OK. Don't think just because you didn't go on the poker run you may not of had an incident. You never know, you could have been involved in a worse one! The bad news is you have to fix your bike. No biggie. Also, I know Collin and I have posted this 100 times before, if you need a lift call one of us. I have a trailer and Collin has a pickup. Don't pay for a stinking tow truck!!! As Collin mentioned before "keep our numbers in your wallet". Here are mine for future reference: Home (703) 658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 Work (703) 692-9021 Glenn > Turned out I should have done the poker run... all of two miles from > the Wendy's I lowsided my bike on a 10 mph turn on Braddock Road. > Absolutely 100% rider error, no excuses to be made. For some reason I > didn't take the turn seriously and I paid the price. Most importantly > I'm not injured -- my jeans held up for the short distance I slid, and > my jacket protected my upper body. I've got a mild bruise on my knee, > and that's about it. I've been hurt worse rollerskating. > > The bike is another story... broke the clutch lever, snapped off the > left footpeg, scraped the dickens out of the fairing, and scratched up > the tail pipe. The footpeg must have taken the brunt of the fall... > the metal piece it was attached to snapped off. Of course, it was in > gear at the time so we couldn't move it out of the way. Called a tow > truck and had fun dodging cars speeding around the same turn while we > waited. The bike is now over at Cycle Sport... tomorrow I'll find out > how much damage will be done to my checkbook (or my insurer's). > > What did I do wrong? I wish I knew how fast I was going because it > was definitely "too fast." Everything happened so quick... by the > time I said "Gee, I'm scraping pegs" my next thought was "Gee, there > goes my bike sliding down the road." Alan thinks maybe I got so far > over on my rear tire that I hit the part that hadn't been scrubbed in > yet so the tire just slid out.... hard for me to say. There wasn't > any gravel on the road. Pretty stupid on my part in any event... > nothing should scream "Slow Down" louder than a 10 mph curve sign. > Needless to say, I won't make that particular mistake again. > > Of course, the important part is that I wasn't hurt... and my bike > should be pretty easy to repair. Assuming that the parts can be > gotten and installed in time, I still plan on making the trip next > weekend. > > Thanks to Alan for helping me with the tow (nothing like a 550 lb bike > stuck in gear), and giving me a ride home afterwards. I'll try not to > crash the next time we ride together! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (should have gone on the d*mn poker run) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 15:16:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02121; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05259 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16930 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:35:28 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGSCa07119 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:34:24 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Questions on Technic Jackets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 I purchased the same jacket (by the sound of your description) from Cycles USA in Silver Spring about a week ago. I like the jacket so far. Did 250 miles this weekend to Summit Point and back. Some things I thing worth noting are ... - The elbow/shoulder/back pads I don't believe they are plastic. I think there just heavy duty foam. - Not incredibly hot even during the summer. - The waste/gut area are a little large for me and bunches up a bit when leaning over my ZX-6. Shoulders fit fine. I bought a 44 jacket. My waste size is 33 so if you have a larger waste it might not be a problem for you. - Sleaves are a little long if you have gloves with cuffs. - The velcro waste adjuster closes over the zipper so to make it smaller you have to zip up first and undo the velcro prior to unzipping. Would be nicer to have the velcro on the sides where it could stay permanently adjusted. - My biggest complaint is the neck closure rubs against my adams apple when leaning over. I'm pretty picky but it is a great price especially with the body armor. I also paid ~$300 with tax. I would recommend the jacket to a friend. - KO In a message dated 8/3/98 9:21:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elliottm@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Questions on Technic Jackets > Date: 8/3/98 9:21:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: elliottm@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Hey All, > > I saw a Technic (Tecnic??) jacket at Cycle Sports in Herndon last weekend > for > $279. It was a summer leather I suppose as it had all the perforated holes > or > whatever you call them. (I think the model was the Chicane??) It had the > plastics in the elbows and back > > Anyhow, it was a Technic jacket, so I'm wondering > > A. Are those good/quality jackets? > B. How does that price sound? > > Thanks for any info. > > Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 15:32:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02298; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05999 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17733 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKZQa26167 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1963a4c3.35c6066a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:50:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Blue Book Page (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 Here it is ... http://www.mcnews.com/articles/used.htm - KO In a message dated 8/3/98 1:17:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Blue Book Page (?) > Date: 8/3/98 1:17:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: jlobrien@XXXXXX (O'Brien, Jeannette) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ('DC Cycles') > > My friend who's buying the ZX wants to know the address of the page that > lists motorcycle prices for used bikes. > Does anyone have it? > It's not on the MCN page as far as I can tell. I looked Friday. > Thanks! > > - Jeannette > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from relay19.mx.aol.com (relay19.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.65]) by > air18.mail.aol.com (v46.20) with SMTP; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:17:40 -0400 > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) > by relay19.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id MAA02918; > Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:49:33 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id LAA01012 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:47 -0400 > (EDT) > Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id LAA10830 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:38 -0400 (EDT) > > Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) > by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) > for dc-cycles@XXXXXX > id 0z3N0K-0001DE-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:58:32 -0400 > Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) > > id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:39 -0400 > Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45A7@XXXXXX> > From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > To: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: Blue Book Page (?) > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:16 -0400 > X-Priority: 3 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) > Content-Type: text/plain > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:20:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03371; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07038 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19296 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA03761; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:38:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00e201bdbf15$df236860$5673c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Hawk + VFR Stands (fwd) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:34:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Thanks Kirk, but I already got a pair of Pit-Bull stands. Pricey, but very solid. Bruce >This is mostly for Bruce Norton since I know he's taken the center stand >off his VFR but it may benefit others. I've seen these stands and they are >heavy duty mothers... Not as convenient as one with wheels but for <$50 >who cares. > >Kirk > > >I made up a batch of VFR stands, and I can modify them to fit the Hawk >AND the VFR if anyone would like one. > >If you'd like a Hawk only stand I can do that too (cheaper than the >Combo stands, 1 1/8" stock is much easier to find than 1 1/16") > > > >-Mitch in MI >'88 Hawk GT Racebike >Hawk/VFR Stands and Used Race Tires For Sale: >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/1352/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:22:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03403; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07071 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19386 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25313 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:38:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:55:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Can you say "No Tell Motel"? Glenn > it was an Econolodge - but we kind of got a deal :D the rooms were going > for > $100 a night but since we only lived a half hour or so away we didn't want > to > pay more than $20. We asked the price, guy said $100 but then added > "unless > you want a room with no towels, those are going for $40" hmmmm. no towels? > no > problem! take a shower when i get home in the morning...... I said, "how > about > $25?" He said, "I can let it go for $30" I said, " Oh C'mon! no one else > is > going to come in a nd take a room without towels!" End result: $25 for the > room, $3 for tax, plus a $5 key deposit, returned upon departure. :D > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:22:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03408; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07077 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19395 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25317 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Anita Lauro'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:01:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Anita, if you want to save the labor costs (as others have done on the list) I'd (and I'm sure others) would be willing to help you fix it for free. Just get the parts. Then you can take the extra money the insurance company was going to pay for labor and buy something else for the bike. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:41 AM > To: Dc Cycles > Subject: GPZ on the mend... > > Stopped by Cycle Sport on the way into work... I guess I should make > note of the service manager's name since he's always nice to me! > > Anyhow, he said that if I pay extra for shipping they should be able to > fix the mechanical part (new clutch lever, footpeg, shifter and big > metal piece that the footpeg assembly bolts to) by Friday. He said if > the parts were local they might be able to fix everything, but I'm not > expecting that. The bill is going to be high... a new front fairing, > lower left fairing and tailpipe will be over $1,000. Never mind the > labor and other bits. Ack! > > I decided to go ahead with the insurance claim... turns out that my > accident free discount on my car policy will remain intact because it is > a separate policy. I'll be able to submit the tow charge as part of the > claim as well. Must have been a bad weekend for accidents, the lady I > spoke with said it was her third accident report this morning. > > Took some pictures of my bike for my photo album... the good side, and > the bad side! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (ouch!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:22:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03412; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07074 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19393 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25315 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cost of towing Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:59:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Your Grand Am (probably) has more power then my little Corolla and I have no problems pulling any bike that I have put behind it. That CC seems to good to be true. Anyone else know anything about it? Glenn > I just wanted to make one comment about the towing cost, and towing > programs. It's great that we have a bunch of people who are willing > to come out and tow us if we need it, and if I had more than a wimpy > Grand Am, I'd probably join in that group. > > However, there are some towing programs out there (handy if you are > out of town). I just saw a new one which looked really interesting > that I wanted to let you know about. It's a Motorcycle Riders Visa > card. Just a regular credit card, but one of the member benefits is > free towing (more accurately, the first $100 is free). I saw the > brochure at Coleman's Woodbridge. I read it over several times, and asked > several questions to the finance guy, but it seems ligit. It's through > MTS, which is what most of the towing plans use. There is no annual > fee for the credit card. You even get to pick what kind of motorcycles > you want on the card (touring, dirt, etc). > > I just got the card and information. There is a limit of 4 tows a year > (seems reasonable). Other than that I couldn't find any other catch. > I always pay my card in full (except when the Post office looses my > bill, but that's a different story) so it seems to be like getting > towing service for free. I hope I'll never need it, but it's nice to > know it's there. > > There are brochures at Coleman's in Woodbridge (I wouldn't know about > Falls Church, I rarely go there) for more info. I hope I'm not making > this sound like spam. Just wanted to let you all know. If anyone > does find out about any catches that I didn't see, please let me know! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 16:52:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04127; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07451 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (known idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20392 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3.loudoun.com (external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.2.1998.05.04.15.32) with SMTP id <0EX400MB5F9BRI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:08:24 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Available to haul To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <002401bdbef8$f3ddad00$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Priority: 3 I live in Winchester, and you can put me down "In case of emergency" I can haul within a reasonable distance if a breakdown occurs. I have straps, and a 750lb rated loading ramp, and a full size bed on a Ford F150. I also have a good selection of tools. If we compile a list of contacts for different areas, this would be very helpful. I would like to send my address/phone to someone's personal email, and not post it on the list if someone is willing to take the time to compile a list. P.S. If I am called to haul your bike, I may be in shorts and sneakers! :-) Gary W. Foreman Email: gforeman@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR judgement to avoid situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR skills From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 17:29:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04592; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08190 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21950 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA24873 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: <35C621F7.B6B9B104@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:47:51 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Valves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, I had planned to go to the Flying Circus aerobatic show, instead, I replaced the head on my Ninja. At (only) 43,000 miles, one of the exhaust valves has sunk so far into the head that it can no longer be adjusted. It is common knowlege on the Ninja 250 list that this bike has soft valves, and that the solution is to replace them with a set of stainless steel valves. So where should I take the head to get a good valve job done? Quality work, cheap and fast come at tradeoffs. I'd like to have the head back in early October, and am unwilling to pay more than $500. Any ideas? -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:21:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05475; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09175 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23429 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-04.dial.nova.org (ra1-04.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.164]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA28431 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:40:24 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valves Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:41:58 GMT Message-ID: <35c62d21.541613@beta.nova.org> References: <35C621F7.B6B9B104@illuminet.net> In-Reply-To: <35C621F7.B6B9B104@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:47:51 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >So where should I take the head to get a good valve job done? Quality >work, cheap and fast come at tradeoffs. I'd like to have the head back >in early October, and am unwilling to pay more than $500. Any ideas? There's a guy here in Beltsville who has been recommended to me. Mike Langlois is his name, I think. Langlois Performance Enterprises=20 6739 Mid Cities Ave, Beltsville, MD 20705 (301) 779-9515 (301) 595-1915 I have never had any work done there but he's apparently built some of the fastest bikes to run at Summit Point... I'm sure that's an important consideration! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:44:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05893; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09584 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24095 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:00:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Blue Book Page (?) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdbf2a$271410c0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45A7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.mcnews.com/articles/used.htm ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:46:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05922; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09616 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24169 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01961 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:02:03 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:02:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdbf2a$59871ac0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't have > any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down > the street > at Arlington Electronics. What sort of protective coating are we talking about? Is the heat shrink tubing to cover the entire line, or just portions of it? > And you should be real happy with this since you won't be giving > your money > to those "mail order places". I love you, man. :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:47:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05947; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09635 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24240 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:04:09 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:04:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdbf2a$a4dcb020$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I don't usually do this, but... Bob was driving home over the Golden Gate Bridge at about 90mph. Wouldn't you know a cop jumped out and clocked him with radar. Bob pulled over like a good citizen; recalling Rodney King and recent illegal alien incidents. The cop walked up to the window and said, "You know how fast you were going BOY ?!?" Bob thought for a second and asked, "Uhhh, over 55?" "93mph son! 93mph in a 55 zone!" "But if you already knew," replied Bob, "Why did you ask me?" Ignoring Bob, the officer continued, in his normal charming fashion, "That's speeding and your getting a ticket and a fine!" The cop took a good look at Bob and said, "You don't even look like you have a job! Why,... I've never seen anyone so scruffy in my entire life!" Bob recanted, "I've got a job! I have a good, well paying job!" The cop leaned in the window, and with the smell of day old donuts on his breath, said, "What kind of a job would a bum like you have?!?" "I'm an asshole stretcher!!!" replied Bob. "What you say, BOY?!?" asked the patrolman. "I'm an asshole stretcher!!!" Of course the cop asked, "What does an asshole stretcher do?" Bob explained, " People call me up and say they want to be stretched, so I go over there and start with a couple of fingers, then a couple more, and then one whole hand, then two. Then I pull them farther and farther apart until it's six feet across." The cop, absorbed with the images in his mind, let down his guard and asked, "What the hell do you do with a six foot asshole ?" Bob nonchalantly commented, "You give it a radar gun and stick it at the end of a bridge! ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:48:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05959; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09642 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24262 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02061 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:05:21 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cost of towing Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:05:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bdbf2a$ce2c8e00$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal What kinda trailer do you use for bikes? Bought, or homemade? Am considering building a trailer outta some c-channel... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Your Grand Am (probably) has more power then my little Corolla > and I have no > problems pulling any bike that I have put behind it. > > That CC seems to good to be true. Anyone else know anything about it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:49:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05964; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09647 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24303 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02064 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:05:57 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Anita Lauro'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:05:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bdbf2a$e4e53480$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Anita, if you want to save the labor costs (as others have done > on the list) > I'd (and I'm sure others) would be willing to help you fix it for free. > Just get the parts. Then you can take the extra money the > insurance company > was going to pay for labor and buy something else for the bike. Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 18:51:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05980; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09657 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24338 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02078 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:15:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain [Drum roll please] Estimated repair cost: Parts $2,353.14 Tax $ 105.89 Labor $ 849.60 Total $ 3,308.63 They were much better at finding scratched parts than I was! Parts are pretty much at list, highlights being upper fairing $547.00, lower fairing $335.06, and LH muffler $602.55. Other parts range from sidestand, centerstand, turn signal, mirror, etc. etc. etc. Lucky me takes out the left hand muffler which means basically the whole exhaust system needs to be replaced. Now, if I was paying I wouldn't particularly care that the centerstand has scratches on it. They get scratched from the pavement anyhow. Do I just say "let insurance pay for everything"? Is there any reason why I should settle for less? I mean, I can save 15% on parts by ordering from Koups in PA (they give a discount to GPZ listers). Is there any incentive for me to do that? Will my insurance company haggle with Cycle Sport over what needs to be replaced? Pretty much everything on the parts list *is* scratched... only thing they said I might just get an appearance allowance for is the rear fender. I couldn't see any damage to that anyhow. Good news is that Cycle Sport has already ordered the mechanical stuff to be overnighted. They said I should be able to pick the bike up on Friday. I didn't ask how long it'd be laid up for the cosmetic stuff. Interestingly enough, a guy walked in off the street and asked to have his bike looked at. They told him it'd be three weeks for an appointment. Yet they are fixing mine as a priority? Maybe there is just a ton of money to be made? They also said I wouldn't have to pay anything when I pick the bike up on Friday... I can wait until all the work is done. I know what insurance is for, and this is it... I guess if I had ever totalled a car this might not seem so bad! But as it stands, I can't believe how much it's going to cost... and it is only about $700 short of being totalled!! Whew.... Anita '96 GPZ1100 (yikes!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 19:07:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06191; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10652 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24790 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02846 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:31:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: George Howell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:31:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, August 03, 1998 6:06 PM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... Heck for $800 I could buy everyone their own keg!! But I still don't think the insurance company is going to write *me* a check for the total... when I had my car repaired they made the check payable to me and the body shop. I think you only get "free money" when someone else hits you. Otherwise you could go around smashing your car, collecting money from your insurer, and not getting anything fixed! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (a little worse for wear) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 20:26:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06654; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11795 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27140 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06269 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 23:44:47 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12597 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > [Drum roll please] Estimated repair cost: > Parts $2,353.14 > Tax $ 105.89 > Labor $ 849.60 > Total $ 3,308.63 Holy Moly. > They were much better at finding scratched parts than I was! Thats pretty much their mission in life when they do "insurance jobs." > pretty much at list, highlights being upper fairing $547.00, lower > fairing $335.06, and LH muffler $602.55. Highway robbery. Or it would be, if you were paying it. > sidestand, centerstand, turn signal, mirror, etc. etc. etc. Lucky me > takes out the left hand muffler which means basically the whole exhaust > system needs to be replaced. AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! > Now, if I was paying I wouldn't particularly care that the centerstand > has scratches on it. They get scratched from the pavement anyhow. Do I > just say "let insurance pay for everything"? Is there any reason why I > should settle for less? Talk to your insurance agent. Some insurance companies figure your premium by looking at your claim history - if you get in an accident and only file a $1000 claim, thats better in their eyes than if you file a $3000 claim. > from Koups in PA (they give a discount to GPZ listers). Is there any > incentive for me to do that? Will my insurance company haggle with > Cycle Sport over what needs to be replaced? Depends on your insurance company. Insurance companies are deathly afraid of motorcyclists getting injured, and then suing claiming it was something that the company "wouldn't fix." Again, you have to talk to yours, and see how much your premium goes up dependant on what sort of claim you make on it. > Good news is that Cycle Sport has already ordered the mechanical stuff > to be overnighted. They said I should be able to pick the bike up on > Friday. I didn't ask how long it'd be laid up for the cosmetic stuff. It really shouldn't take over an hour to put plastic on a bike. If it does, and your fairing brackets aren't bent, theyre full of horsecrap. > Interestingly enough, a guy walked in off the street and asked to have > his bike looked at. They told him it'd be three weeks for an > appointment. Yet they are fixing mine as a priority? Maybe there is > just a ton of money to be made? Maybe they're just assholes :) > They also said I wouldn't have to pay > anything when I pick the bike up on Friday... I can wait until all the > work is done. Cool, cool. > I know what insurance is for, and this is it... I guess if I had ever > totalled a car this might not seem so bad! But as it stands, I can't > believe how much it's going to cost... and it is only about $700 short > of being totalled!! Whew.... Remember, theyre doing an "insurance job." Whenever a dealer gets those, dollar signs light up. I bet for $500 you could get all the fairings you damaged (used), get a nice paint job for $350, and a good aftermarket pipe for $500 (metal) to $600 (Carbon Fiber). And labor, I'm sure you could find a mechanic who would do all that for $250. So you'd be looking at $1500 on your own if you want to have your bike looking mint. And thats being liberal in pricing. > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (yikes!) Well, be glad you have insurance. Talk to them, explore your options, and decide what feels right to you. Dont save money only to feel that there's "something wrong" with the bike - thats not a feeling worth saving some money over. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 21:01:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06995; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11996 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27717 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07903 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id UAA06067 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-41.s41.tnt5.brd.erols.com(207.172.45.41) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma006062; Mon, 3 Aug 98 20:19:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980803202005.00695980@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:20:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Nighthawk part number Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just bought a 91Nighthawk, and I need a part number if you have the manual and a minute of time :-) (my manual is in route from New Mexico, and wont be here for a couple of weeks) The part that secures the front brake caliper to the fork broke in the middle. Its about 6 " long and has 2 holes. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 A man comes out of a shopping mall to find that the side of his parked car is rammed in! Seeing a note under the windshield, he reads it. On the paper is written: As I'm writing this, about a dozen people are watching me. They think I'm giving you my name, phone number, and insurance company. But I'm not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 21:30:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07229; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12105 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28188 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08888 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:54:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Alex Milenkovic , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:54:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, August 03, 1998 7:45 PM, Alex Milenkovic [SMTP:alexm@XXXXXX] wrote: > > They were much better at finding scratched parts than I was! > Thats pretty much their mission in life when they do "insurance jobs." Well, they just had to look *under* the mirror... wasn't too hard! :-) I was just impressed that the mirror didn't break off... didn't think about scratches. > AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! I'm definitely going aftermarket exhaust... all I needed to hear was that they are lighter! I like the sound of my bike though, wouldn't want to change that too much. > Well, be glad you have insurance. Talk to them, explore your options, > and decide what feels right to you. Dont save money only to feel that > there's "something wrong" with the bike - thats not a feeling worth > saving some money over. Good point... by getting all new parts (OEM at that), my bike will be back almost as good as new... or, technically better than new since new parts are replacing 2 year old ones... hmmm... don't think that's how it works. But, I've decided not to cut corners. Thanks. Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 22:08:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07494; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13548 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28974 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10624 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 3TDPa27851 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:27:12 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <41d59042.35c66371@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:27:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: GPZ on the mend... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 You should be able to get the money. Tell them you are going to do the labor yourself. You will probably have to put the cash out yourself and then show them what you did before they will give you the money. They will want to verify the work was done. They also may want one of there adjusters to take a look at it before you start to verify the damage. They won't like to do it but it doesn't hurt to try. I know when the stereo was stolen I did the work myself and they cut me a check. I did have to show them that the work was done. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 3 23:16:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08123; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14050 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00045 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13658 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA06529; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-41.s41.tnt5.brd.erols.com(207.172.45.41) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma006526; Mon, 3 Aug 98 22:33:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980803223441.00e819bc@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:34:46 -0400 To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: GPZ on the mend... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, they have to give you the money for the damage regardless of whether or not you fix it. Just like a car. Get in a fender bender, they pay for the esitmated repair costs, you get the check and do as you like. At least, thats my understanding after the number of times in my youth when I allowed people to impact my car in traffic..... :-O At 09:27 PM 8/3/98 EDT, OsbornKev@XXXXXX wrote: >You should be able to get the money. Tell them you are going to do the labor >yourself. You will probably have to put the cash out yourself and then show >them what you did before they will give you the money. They will want to >verify the work was done. They also may want one of there adjusters to take a >look at it before you start to verify the damage. They won't like to do it >but it doesn't hurt to try. > >I know when the stereo was stolen I did the work myself and they cut me a >check. I did have to show them that the work was done. > _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 A man comes out of a shopping mall to find that the side of his parked car is rammed in! Seeing a note under the windshield, he reads it. On the paper is written: As I'm writing this, about a dozen people are watching me. They think I'm giving you my name, phone number, and insurance company. But I'm not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 01:10:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09437; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17449 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01898 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA19318; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:25:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:14:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980803152155.BEYQ876@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > __________________-original-________________ > Forgot to mention, further proof that people are idiots. > Tow truck comes, driver loads the bike up on the flatbed, and we are > on our merry way. I'm sitting with the driver in the cab, holding my > jacket, helmet, tank bag, etc. > Driver notices my jacket and says... I swear this is true... > "Why do you wear that jacket when it's this warm out? Because of the > wind?" It's amazing how clueless cagers are about us.I had a guy here at work joke around with my helmet once;he waved it around and then banged it on a desk(not hard enough to scratch it).He couldn't understand why I got so upset.When I explained to him the concept of how a helmet works,and that's it's only good for _one_ real impact,he said,"then what good is it if it only works once?". And the girls at the part-time job think I'm weird cause I keep my helmet up on a shelf where noone can touch it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 01:16:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09455; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17520 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01956 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18579 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:32:46 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bdbf60$ef9c3780$2580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Only haggle price if the insurance co. writes YOU a check. Otherwise, it's their problem. They aren't going to help you out later if you help them write a smaller check. Similarly... You're going to lose the accident free, at least on the bike. And I wouldn't hold my breath about the car either. Since you will quite possibly be screwed, you may as well go ahead and get everything you possibly can for it. > I know what insurance is for, and this is it... I guess if I had ever > totalled a car this might not seem so bad! But as it stands, I can't > believe how much it's going to cost... and it is only about $700 short > of being totalled!! Whew.... Sounds like my first car accident:) But seriously, it's amazing how much all of this is costing for what sounds like a relatively simple low speed incident. Makes me question whether or not I should have gotten the plastic coated freight train last week. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 01:36:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09547; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17683 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02124 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA19392; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:51:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:26:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Alex Milenkovic wrote: > On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > > [Drum roll please] Estimated repair cost: > Holy Moly. Yep.When my '86 500 Interceptor got blown over in '88 I looked into a new fairing.It was only a half fairing,but was like $400.OEM parts are big $$.Also,I'm sure the time it took to do the estimate was included with the labor. > > pretty much at list, highlights being upper fairing $547.00, lower > > fairing $335.06, and LH muffler $602.55. > Highway robbery. Or it would be, if you were paying it. Deep pockets theory.The insurance co can afford it. > > sidestand, centerstand, turn signal, mirror, etc. etc. etc. Lucky me > > takes out the left hand muffler which means basically the whole exhaust > > system needs to be replaced. > AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! AFTER MARKET! Yep.I'm sure AirTech can supply you with body work way cheaper than Kawi.Paint job shouldn't be bad since it's single color.And slip-ons will shave weight,give you an extra pony or two,and give you some sound. > Depends on your insurance company. Insurance companies are deathly afraid > of motorcyclists getting injured, and then suing claiming it was something > that the company "wouldn't fix." Again, you have to talk to yours, and > see how much your premium goes up dependant on what sort of claim you > make on it. Shouldn't be a prob just getting a check from the insurance co since most of your damage was cosmetic.If you had frame or suspension damage, they'd prolly want the dealer to work it. Here's an idea Anita,get the payoff from the insurance co,then just peel off the damaged bodywork and build a streetfighter! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 01:52:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09609; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17798 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02382 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (falcor@XXXXXX [199.0.70.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA20125 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11316; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: "'Anita Lauro'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ditto... I have become quite good at replacing all kinds of parts. :) It would be a neat change to work on something I didn't brake. :) Just let me know. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Anita, if you want to save the labor costs (as others have done on the list) > I'd (and I'm sure others) would be willing to help you fix it for free. > Just get the parts. Then you can take the extra money the insurance company > was going to pay for labor and buy something else for the bike. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:41 AM > > To: Dc Cycles > > Subject: GPZ on the mend... > > > > Stopped by Cycle Sport on the way into work... I guess I should make > > note of the service manager's name since he's always nice to me! > > > > Anyhow, he said that if I pay extra for shipping they should be able to > > fix the mechanical part (new clutch lever, footpeg, shifter and big > > metal piece that the footpeg assembly bolts to) by Friday. He said if > > the parts were local they might be able to fix everything, but I'm not > > expecting that. The bill is going to be high... a new front fairing, > > lower left fairing and tailpipe will be over $1,000. Never mind the > > labor and other bits. Ack! > > > > I decided to go ahead with the insurance claim... turns out that my > > accident free discount on my car policy will remain intact because it is > > a separate policy. I'll be able to submit the tow charge as part of the > > claim as well. Must have been a bad weekend for accidents, the lady I > > spoke with said it was her third accident report this morning. > > > > Took some pictures of my bike for my photo album... the good side, and > > the bad side! > > > > Anita > > '96 GPZ1100 (ouch!) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 07:09:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11868; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20502 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05889 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04131 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:27:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: braided lines Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:26:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Well the line is made of braided stainless steel which can chafe (sp?) the paint, plastic, etc. I covered all of the areas that would make contact with the frame and left the other bits uncovered. I used black heat shrink. Tom T. covered his entire line with clear heat shrink and it looked good. Your call. Glenn > > be sure to bring some heat shrink tubing with you as the lines don't > have > > any protective coating on them. You can pick this up right down > > the street > > at Arlington Electronics. > > What sort of protective coating are we talking about? Is the heat shrink > tubing to cover the entire line, or just portions of it? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 07:19:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11918; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20539 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05953 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04551 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cost of towing Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:38:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I actually have two of them. The first one is bought parts that I put together. I bought the 1100 lbs. max weight trailer from K-Mart years ago. It was the frame and lights only. I then cut a piece of plywood to put between the frame and the rail (that I purchased from Sears). I've added a few things over the years such as fenders. Its a nice little trailer. Lots of peoples (broken) bikes have been on it. Mines only been on it when I was transporting it somewhere. :-) The second trailer I bought from a friend which I have been restoring for way to long now. Its heavy duty. Its a three rail job built in the early 70's, so its all steel. There must be 1000 layers of paint on it. I been using paint stripper and sand blasting it to get all that crap off. If I could just sell my little 60 gal 6.5 hp compressor so I could buy a "real" compressor I'd be finished in no time. I was thinking I'd like to replace the rails on this thing. Anyone know where I can buy some modern trailer rails? I don't think my little 130 mm rear tire will fit into these tiny rails. As a side note, trailers are very expensive if you buy them in the DC area. For what Coleman wants for a flimsy MC trailer a buddy of mine bought a dual axle trailer that he can haul his large Ford tractor from some place in NC. I've noticed that there is a trailer place in New Market, VA. Its right on US 11. I was going to swing by there and see what they have and how much. Glenn > What kinda trailer do you use for bikes? Bought, or homemade? Am > considering > building a trailer outta some c-channel... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 07:37:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11984; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20575 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06131 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05323 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust015.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.15]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA11288 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:57:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980803065558.00699f7c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:55:58 +0000 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... At 18:05 3-08-98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >> Anita, if you want to save the labor costs (as others have done >> on the list) >> I'd (and I'm sure others) would be willing to help you fix it for free. >> Just get the parts. Then you can take the extra money the >> insurance company >> was going to pay for labor and buy something else for the bike. > >Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... Hmm, my first thought was that would be expensive to buy each of the helpers a keg. If she wanted that quality at that price, I'm surprised that Coleman's in Falls Church hasn't been suggested. ;-) Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 08:50:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12439; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22198 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07133 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05159 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA26905; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Payouts [was GPZ on the mend...] Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: <35c6f89a.724379141@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <3.0.32.19980803223441.00e819bc@www.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980803223441.00e819bc@www.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:34:46 -0400, you wrote: >Actually, they have to give you the money for the damage regardless of >whether or not you fix it. Just like a car. Get in a fender bender, = they >pay for the esitmated repair costs, you get the check and do as you = like. I guess I'll call my insurance company and ask them about this... the two fender benders I had, my insurance company made the check payable jointly to me and the place doing the repair work (I had to tell them where I was taking it). When my car stereo was stolen, they made the check payable to Circuit City and me. When stuff was stolen out of my storage bin at my condo, I had to go out and buy the replacements, provide receipts and get reimbursed. At no time did they just "write me a check." =20 Now, when I backed into a POS Toyota in a parking lot, they just wrote the guy a check. Six months later the POS Toyota (which had been parked in a fire lane) hadn't been fixed, and I had a surcharge on my insurance for 3 years! I really think it has to do with who is at fault -- otherwise you could just bash a door on your car every time you needed money! Since I have a loan on the bike, and the bank insists on insurance coverage, don't they have an interest in the collateral being retaining its value? I mean, otherwise I could take the $547.00 for the upper fairing and keep it. Not meaning to beat a dead horse, but I just don't know how I can "make money" off of wrecking my bike! Or that I'd want to! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (gonna be fixed good as new) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 08:57:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12533; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22253 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07303 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08591 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA27071; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "George Howell" Cc: "Anita Lauro" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <35c7fb01.724994156@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <000d01bdbf60$ef9c3780$2580e2cf@ghowell> In-Reply-To: <000d01bdbf60$ef9c3780$2580e2cf@ghowell> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:32:49 -0400, you wrote: >Similarly... You're going to lose the accident free, at least on the = bike. >And I wouldn't hold my breath about the car either. Since you will quite >possibly be screwed, you may as well go ahead and get everything you >possibly can for it. Well, I didn't have an accident free discount on the bike since I've only had it for a month... :-(. But I was told by my agent that the accident free discount will remain on my separate car policy. Something about it following the vehicle. =20 >But seriously, it's amazing how much all of this is costing for what = sounds >like a relatively simple low speed incident. Makes me question whether = or >not I should have gotten the plastic coated freight train last week. Yeah, I was wondering last night if I "moved up" to a plastic coated bike too soon... But, the repair costs are for replacing every item that is the least bit scratched with brand new OEM parts. If this bike was a few years old I wouldn't be worrying about a few scrapes on the centerstand, and I'd definitely keep the front fairing which is just "ground down" along one edge. The ugliest damage is to the lower fairing... that would have to be replaced no matter what! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (too pretty not to fix) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 09:05:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12668; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22385 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07473 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10581; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:28:40 -0400 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: See-YA Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:26:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 900RR is gone and so am I. Thanks to everyone on the list for all the good times. Curtis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 09:07:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12797; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22404 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07516 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08966 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA27338; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:25:55 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Leon Begeman Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: GPZ on the mend... Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: <35ccfe59.725850903@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19980803065558.00699f7c@illuminet.net> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980803065558.00699f7c@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:55:58 +0000, you wrote: >Hmm, my first thought was that would be expensive to buy each of the = helpers >a keg. If she wanted that quality at that price, I'm surprised that >Coleman's in Falls Church hasn't been suggested. ;-) Now there's a truly scary thought... After picking my newly restored bike I'm riding along Rte 66 only to see my fairings and exhaust system fall to the ground and get run over by traffic.... No thanks!!!! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (is it done yet? ha, ha) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 09:23:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12948; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22585 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07906 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09854 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08725 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036546@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:45:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain My VFR was knocked of its sidestand recently in a parking garage by someone who promptly left the scene. I took the bike to get an estimate for damages to a local cycle shop. The total parts and labor came to $1600. I took this estimate and the bike to my insurance company, who took pictures and then wrote a check made payable to me for $1400 (minus $200 for an uninsured motorist deductible). I then called a parts dealer in California and got the parts (OEM form Honda) for $800 (I didnt get a $200 part that had very, very slight scratches on it), put them on myself, bought an alarm and soft luggage with the remaining $600. Full coverage insurance for me is about $320, and i can live with a small increase if there is one, plus I have other insurance with them so I can threaten to switch companies if the try to increase it a great deal. It worked out ok for me. :-) Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 6:32 PM > To: George Howell; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... > > On Monday, August 03, 1998 6:06 PM, George Howell > [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... > > Heck for $800 I could buy everyone their own keg!! > > But I still don't think the insurance company is going to write *me* a > check for the total... when I had my car repaired they made the check > payable to me and the body shop. I think you only get "free money" > when > someone else hits you. Otherwise you could go around smashing your > car, > collecting money from your insurer, and not getting anything fixed! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (a little worse for wear) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 10:03:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13658; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22846 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08499 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Aug 4 08:21 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA28837 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDBF89.3E8A7CD0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:21:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From what I understand, (after dealing with State Farm), if you wanted to do the work yourself, you would have to put up the money up front to buy the replacement parts, and then PROVE to the insurance company that the repairs, per the estimate, were made. Kind of a hassle but for $800 + 15% off parts, I would consider it. (That also assumes you have that kind of $$$$$ available) Hey, with a keg, imagine what a great job we could all do, he, he, he. --John '98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 10:05:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13743; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22882 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08533 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11644 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA17712; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:23:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980804132332.GDAI729@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:23:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Anita Lauro CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980804132332.GDAI729@[166.41.242.141]> [Drum roll please] Estimated repair cost: Parts $2,353.14 Tax $ 105.89 Labor $ 849.60 Total $ 3,308.63 They were much better at finding scratched parts than I was! ___________________________________________ !!!!!! Does finding scratched parts go towards labor costs? Calculated at $59/hr (Cycle Sport Springfield), that's 14.4hrs of labor! These guys must be doing an excruciatingly detailed job of putting your pony back together, polishing every little bolt and every little fingerprint. Now, does anyone really spend time wondering why insurance rates are so high? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 10:43:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14357; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23387 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10029 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23265 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA27810 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808041401.KAA27810@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:57:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Why bother with radar in a plane? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980803112750.00b316a0@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was always under the impression that the BIG white lines painted crosswise across the highway (not crosswalks, in town, duh) were there so that planes could time you for the 1/4 or whatever between the sets of lines. They do the math and can determine how fast you're moving. Seemes like it would be lots cheaper than doing radar. If there's question of recording, accurately, when you cross the lines, I'm sure they could make a videotape with timestamps.. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 10:52:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14443; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23459 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10494 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27419; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:12:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25890; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808041411.KAA25890@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Cost of towing To: Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart Glenn B. Mr. IMCEN" ) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" " at Aug 3, 98 02:59:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > That CC seems to good to be true. Anyone else know anything about it? If anyone here is good at reading "the fine print" for legal/finacial stuff, I can show you all the paperwork I got (brochure and information from the CC company.) I looked it over and didn't see anything that looked out of order. The only bummer is that it says "Coleman Powersport" underneath my name on the card. I just got the card and I'm itching to charge something. Maybe the new StreetPiolet from Garmin; now that the Aerostich is finally paid off. [stupid post office delivered my other CC bill over a month late. :-( ] Louis > > Glenn > > > > However, there are some towing programs out there (handy if you are > > out of town). I just saw a new one which looked really interesting > > that I wanted to let you know about. It's a Motorcycle Riders Visa > > card. Just a regular credit card, but one of the member benefits is > > free towing (more accurately, the first $100 is free). I saw the > > brochure at Coleman's Woodbridge. I read it over several times, and asked > > several questions to the finance guy, but it seems ligit. It's through > > MTS, which is what most of the towing plans use. There is no annual > > fee for the credit card. You even get to pick what kind of motorcycles > > you want on the card (touring, dirt, etc). > > > > I just got the card and information. There is a limit of 4 tows a year > > (seems reasonable). Other than that I couldn't find any other catch. > > I always pay my card in full (except when the Post office looses my > > bill, but that's a different story) so it seems to be like getting > > towing service for free. I hope I'll never need it, but it's nice to > > know it's there. > > > > There are brochures at Coleman's in Woodbridge (I wouldn't know about > > Falls Church, I rarely go there) for more info. I hope I'm not making > > this sound like spam. Just wanted to let you all know. If anyone > > does find out about any catches that I didn't see, please let me know! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 11:19:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14698; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23749 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11214 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14832 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA12528 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199808041438.KAA12528@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:34:30 -0400 Subject: RE: GPZ on the mend... To: anita@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Anita, Really sorry to hear about the bike and especially your scapes....hope both of you get well soon! As far as the insurance check is concerned, most likely they'll write it out to you *and* Cycle Sport but they'll mail the check to YOU. Take the check to your bank and deposit it..don't cash it, just deposit it in your checking account..banks will almost never question a "for deposit only" check..at that point, you can use the money any way you want. (Working for a banking institution has helped me find out all kinds of bank "stuff")... We are going through this right now with our master bathroom..it had a leak and the insurance company wrote a check for $3k to repair it...the check was made out to us *and* a contracting firm..we deposited it and got our own contractors to do the work...(which incidently went from a minor repair to a complete $8k remodeling..don't ask, Jenny does this to me everytime ..*sigh* )... cheers, -aki > On Monday, August 03, 1998 6:06 PM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > Or she can buy a keg for everybody who helps her out... > > Heck for $800 I could buy everyone their own keg!! > > But I still don't think the insurance company is going to write *me* a > check for the total... when I had my car repaired they made the check > payable to me and the body shop. I think you only get "free money" when > someone else hits you. Otherwise you could go around smashing your car, > collecting money from your insurer, and not getting anything fixed! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (a little worse for wear) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 11:24:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14810; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23813 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11343 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14932 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 412 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:42:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980804104226.00afa160@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:42:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Coleman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I dont want to start another thread but, just a quick note. My front brake caliper bracket broke last night, so I called Manassas Honda and Colemans in Woodbridge. Besides the guy being an asshole at Colemans, here was the result: Manassas : $81.92 Colemans: $92.57 Same part, and manassas will get it to me sooner. {{ Sigh }} ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 11:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14831; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23821 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11369 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15215 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Todd Peer , Anita Lauro Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 9:13 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > Does finding scratched parts go towards labor costs? Calculated > at $59/hr (Cycle Sport Springfield), that's 14.4hrs of labor! > These guys must be doing an excruciatingly detailed job of putting > your pony back together, polishing every little bolt and every > little fingerprint. There was 1 hour included in the labor costs for doing the estimate. It probably took the guy a while to look up all the part numbers - I think there were at least 30 parts to be replaced. I'm assuming that they just look up the "book rate" for doing a particular repair/replacement, and then make even more $$ by completing in less time. Kind of like what happens if you are silly enough to have scheduled maintenance done at a car dealer! The other thing that seems kind of bogus is how the estimate for each job as if it was done by itself - for example, replacing the exhaust will require removing the fairing, something they already have to do to because the fairing will be replaced also. So, they don't factor that into the equation and make even more. > Now, does anyone really spend time wondering why insurance rates > are so high? Well, they say that because the used part market is so lucrative, Honda Accords are the #1 vehicle to be stolen... I guess at this point, nothing really surprises me. I had to have a headlight assembly replaced on a 1986 Plymouth Colt (in 1986) because of an accident - I was going to pay for it myself rather than wait for the insurance estimate, until I found out it was $150! And this was twelve years ago. I think I'll just have Cycle Sport fix the darn thing and be done with it. The only thing I am seriously considering is getting either a used exhaust system (from someone on the GPZ mailing list), or an aftermarket one, and putting the difference towards a new helmet. Mine has gotten a little loose over the three years I've had it, and I don't mind fudging things a bit to get a new helmet. Anita '96 GPZ1100 (six million dollar motorcycle... we can rebuild it... but at what cost?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 11:36:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15094; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23944 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11669 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:00:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:00:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 9:21 AM, Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] wrote: > From what I understand, (after dealing with State Farm), if you wanted > to do the work yourself, you would have to put up the money up front > to buy the replacement parts, and then PROVE to the insurance company > that the repairs, per the estimate, were made. Kind of a hassle but > for $800 + 15% off parts, I would consider it. (That also assumes you > have that kind of $$$$$ available) Okay, this scenario makes sense! Did you go this route? Seems like a lot of money could be tied up in parts for a while... money I don't have laying around! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 12:00:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15355; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24321 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12369 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16613 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Dan Brown'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Why bother with radar in a plane? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:19:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Those lines are for VASCAR. Where they do time you between two spots. VASCAR can be used on the ground or in the air. MD used to enforce speed limits from the air but citizens complained how costly it was. They still have the signs on the roadways but don't do it that way anymore. I have never seen VA enforce speed from the air. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 9:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Why bother with radar in a plane? > > > > > I was always under the impression that the BIG white lines painted > crosswise across the highway (not crosswalks, in town, duh) were there > so that planes could time you for the 1/4 or whatever between the > sets of lines. They do the math and can determine how fast you're > moving. Seemes like it would be lots cheaper than doing radar. If > there's question of recording, accurately, when you cross the lines, > I'm sure they could make a videotape with timestamps.. > > > -- > The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the > conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 12:08:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15467; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24474 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12909 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:27:22 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WVTUa22588 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:26:29 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-08-04 09:07:49 EDT, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah, I was wondering last night if I "moved up" to a plastic coated > bike too soon... But, the repair costs are for replacing every item > that is the least bit scratched with brand new OEM parts. If this > bike was a few years old I wouldn't be worrying about a few scrapes on > the centerstand, and I'd definitely keep the front fairing which is > just "ground down" along one edge. The ugliest damage is to the lower > fairing... that would have to be replaced no matter what! :-) Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've only worked with fiberglass a little bit. Can't bodywork be repaired at all? Couldn't you just fill in the scratches, sand it smooth and repaint? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 12:25:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15714; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25798 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13786 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA29185; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA16175; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA18358; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:01 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA18355; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:00 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDBF84.063D4970@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:43:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:38:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 13 TEXT, 46 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi guys, I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I would do but didn't. Bad girl! - - Ursulina 1988 Kaw 454 LTD begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(CP/`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S@<(``0` M" `F``X``@`?`0$@@ ,`#@```,X'" `$``@`*P`[``(`40$!"8 !`"$````R M-T5%034Q,D$R,C-$,C$Q03%#-# P.# U1D,Q1$-&0@`K!P$-@ 0``@````(` M`@`!!( !`"(```!4:6UE('1O(&-H86YG92!T:&4@;VEL(&]N(&UY(&)I:V4` MFPL!`Y &`(P&```F`````P``@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````4H4``+<- M```>``& "" &``````# ````````1@````!4A0```0````0````X+C ``P`" M@ @@!@``````P ```````$8``````84````````+``. 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M24PE<#U!5%0E;#U(445.1U]-4T; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13956 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Aug 4 09:58 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA02425 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:58:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDBF96.CDFD6FA0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Anita Lauro'" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:58:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No. I wanted to but, like you, I didn't have the $$$$ lying around. It would save a lot of $$$$ though. If you do the math, you can see that you may be able to make money. (Original estimate for parts is 15% higher) Also, since I didn't go this route I'm not sure if the insurance company would pay YOU to do the labor. --John ---------- From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 11:00 AM To: Carver, John; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 9:21 AM, Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] wrote: > From what I understand, (after dealing with State Farm), if you wanted > to do the work yourself, you would have to put up the money up front > to buy the replacement parts, and then PROVE to the insurance company > that the repairs, per the estimate, were made. Kind of a hassle but > for $800 + 15% off parts, I would consider it. (That also assumes you > have that kind of $$$$$ available) Okay, this scenario makes sense! Did you go this route? Seems like a lot of money could be tied up in parts for a while... money I don't have laying around! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:20:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16756; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26800 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15532 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:45:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:45:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 11:26 AM, MARKSOMM@XXXXXX [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] wrote: > Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've only worked with fiberglass a > little bit. Can't bodywork be repaired at all? Couldn't you just fill in > the scratches, sand it smooth and repaint? Not a dumb question at all... but I don't think that my fairings are fiberglass. Pretty sure they are plastic, painted and clearcoated. The lower fairing melted where it contacted the engine... don't know if fiberglass would melt. Anyhow, the scratches could possibly be repaired as you suggested, but they are pretty extensive. As for the melted part, not sure what I could do with that! If I was fixing it myself I'd spend most of my $$ replacing the lower fairing (maybe with a used one), leave the upper one, centerstand, sidestand, etc. alone. I plan on keeping the damaged upper fairing, because it is not in that bad shape (ground down alone one edge near the top)... could come in handy some day (for someone else, of course!!). Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:36:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17152; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27212 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16558 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20909 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:54:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:54:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That may be with State Farm but its not always the case. One of our other listers has received a check from their insurance company and then mail ordered the parts to fix their bike. YMMV Glenn > From what I understand, (after dealing with State Farm), if you wanted > to do the work yourself, you would have to put up the money up front > to buy the replacement parts, and then PROVE to the insurance company > that the repairs, per the estimate, were made. Kind of a hassle but > for $800 + 15% off parts, I would consider it. (That also assumes you > have that kind of $$$$$ available) Hey, with a keg, imagine what a > great job we could all do, he, he, he. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:46:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17274; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27376 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scdh-99.umd.edu (known scdh-99.umd.edu [128.8.198.99]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16922 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by scdh-99.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27562; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:03:53 -0400 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199808041703.NAA27562@scdh-99.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Time to change the oil on my bike To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX (Viteri, Ursulina) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Viteri, Ursulina" at Aug 4, 98 08:38:14 am Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viteri, Ursulina writes: > > Hi guys, > > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? > Dunno about the correct weight, but surprisingly Target has had really good prices on Mobil 1- last time I checked, it was 3.33/qt in single bottles (or about $20/case) compared to Trak Auto- which was $4.00/qt and the previous winner- Price Club which is now at ~$22 a case, or $3.67/qt. Matt ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:47:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17287; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27392 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16973 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21449 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Price Club has the best price on Mobil 1 that I have seen. And the one in Newington is the only one that I know carries the 15W50 weight. Glenn > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? > > I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price > (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I > would do but didn't. Bad girl! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:48:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17310; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27399 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17009 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA01481; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:07:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980804170725.OUY11077@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:07:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Time to change the oil on my bike X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980804170725.OUY11077@[166.41.242.141]> The absolute best price I've ever seen was at a K-Mart, on sale for $19.99 a case(six 6) with a rebate for $3.00. But that doesn't help you, does it? I usually go to Trak Auto. If I'm in Price Club I'll pick up a case. It's about a dollar cheaper than Trak. Expect to pay around $24-$26. Still cheaper than the moto-oils. Todd ______________-original-__________________ Hi guys, I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I would do but didn't. Bad girl! - - Ursulina 1988 Kaw 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:52:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17402; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27472 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17162 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id KAA26525 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:40 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:11:40 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:12:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've only worked with fiberglass a >little bit. Can't bodywork be repaired at all? Couldn't you just fill in the >scratches, sand it smooth and repaint? 'tain't fiberglass 's ABS Getting adhesives or resins to stick properly to ABS is a problem Plus the hourly charges for patch paint 'n prime would probably exceed the cost of a new part. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 13:54:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17535; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27514 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17262 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 369; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:13:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35C74136.AF90B32F@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:13:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Time to change the oil on my bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Best price I've seen on the Mobil 1 is $3.9x or so per quart at WalMart. I'd happily pay less somewhere else if someone has a better source. 15w50 is the right weight for your bike (mine too.) I actually buy oil filters for the Connie at Pep Boys now. I don't recall if they have filters for your bike, (check the little booklets by the oil filters) but I enjoy paying only $2 per filter vs the $8-11 that the stealerships charge. Horkster Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? > > I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price > (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I would > do but didn't. Bad girl! > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kaw 454 LTD > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > WINMAIL.DAT Type: wordpad (application/x-unknown-content-type-dat_auto_file) > Encoding: x-uuencode -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 14:16:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17989; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27779 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18291 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7PFGa04160; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:35:20 EDT To: brown@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Why bother with radar in a plane? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 This is the method I have heard of. The lines are supposed to be "calibrated" so that at a given speed you pass so many lines (4 comes to mind) in a set amount of time. If you cross more lines in that set time, you're speeding. And don't forget the almighty radio. Who's to say that they don't call a cruiser to come out and pace you or hit you with a radar gun for verification? At any rate, the safest policy is to simply NOT SPEED and if you do speed, you know you're at risk!! No flames, please!! Robert "yes, I speed" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 14:43:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18630; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28341 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19775 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:01:34 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 04 Aug 1998 14:01:15 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 04 Aug 1998 14:01:15 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0670935C74C6B003-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0670935C74C6B003 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0670935C74C6B003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 04 Aug 1998 14:01:15 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "MARKSOMM@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), Anita Lauro (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Message-Id: <0670935C74C6B003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I wouldn't plan on keeping anything if I were you. If your insurance company is like most they will scoop up the damaged parts and take them home (unless you buy them). This way they make sure the bike stays fixed, not just put some parts on for show (to the claims adjuster) and then switch the damaged ones back to be fixed at a later date. I plan on keeping the damaged upper fairing, because it is not in that bad shape (ground down alone one edge near the top)... could come in handy some day (for someone else, of course!!). Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 14:44:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18648; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28357 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19843 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBUMa02269 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11264af3.35c74ca2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:02:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: A question about Jackets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, now that I've sold my Nighthawk, I'm going to get a new jacket. I've been looking at the Hein Gericke "Boost" Jacket, the Axo "Stuttgart," and a jacket I saw that looked similar to the others, made by Technic. I'm leaning toward the Hein Gericke because of looks and relative ease of ordering it from DK. They all seem to be comparable in price and features. Anyone have experience with these jackets? Comments, good or bad, would be very helpful!! My old jacket simply won't survive another winter! Thanks in advance! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 15:03:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19614; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28763 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21121 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com ([199.4.241.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24694 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Carver, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:26:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 04, 1998 12:54 PM, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] wrote: > That may be with State Farm but its not always the case. One of our other > listers has received a check from their insurance company and then mail > ordered the parts to fix their bike. Okay, in order to get the "real deal", I called State Farm to ask them what would happen if I wanted to fix the bike myself... here's the scoop: 1) They *will* just write me a check based on the estimate, labor included. 2) If I don't bring the repaired bike back to them to verify that the repair work has been done, it will show up as prior damage on my policy. In other words, if I don't show them my repaired bike and I total it the next week, they will deduct that prior payment from any settlement. 3) Since the estimate amount is over $1,500, the check would be made payable to both me and the lienholder [my bank] in order to protect their interest in my bike. I knew the bank had to fit in somehow. 4) If you hit someone else, your insurance company does just writes them a check because they really don't care what that person does with the money (they have no interest in the vehicle). So, it would be very simple for someone who owns their bike outright simply to get a check, do the repairs themselves, and pocket the difference. For me, even though Aki said I could just deposit the check without getting the additional endorsement, I'm just going to stick with having Cycle Sport do the repairs. That way everyone will be happy (especially Cycle Sport) and I have someone to go back to if there are any problems. I'm still going to try for the new helmet, though. Thanks for all the advice and sympathy! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 15:05:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19698; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28821 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21301 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25002 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:23:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:23:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yeah of course with K-Mart they NEVER have anything in stock that is on sale. Glenn > The absolute best price I've ever seen was at a K-Mart, on sale for > $19.99 a case(six 6) with a rebate for $3.00. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 15:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20371; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29607 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24111 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id MAA18051 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:08:19 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:08:19 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Very expensive way to spend a Sunday morning... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:09:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, the insurance company is contractually obligated to you to compensate you for your losses. Whether or not you repair the damage is your call (you have sustained the loss, and damages are payable) - you can take the money and run and ride the damaged beast as-is if you want. If the vehicle is "totalled" the story is somewhat different - the title of the damaged vehicle transfers to the insurance company in return for the disbursement. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 16:11:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20780; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29921 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12618 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256656.006BCAA6 ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:37:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256656.006A5BA7.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:37:21 -0400 Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >Yeah of course with K-Mart they NEVER >have anything in stock that is on sale. And don't forget the joy of standing in Kmart's checkout line for at least 20 minutes. I've come to the conclusion that no matter how few, or many customers are in the store, there will only be enough lines open to make sure that any that are open are at least 10 people deep. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 16:20:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20899; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00192 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25212 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19289 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another cover gets stolen. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello. I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 17:31:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21970; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01684 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28384 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA03820 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256656.0072677D ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:49:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256656.007208B5.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:51:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline When I lived in Brooklyn I had a coiled steel cable with eyelets at both ends...in addition to the disc lock and the chain through the swing arm/rear wheel, I would put the cover on the bike and wrap this coiled cable around the entire bike...that really held the cover on snugly. Later, when I got some lighter gauge chain I used that instead, making sure that there wasn't enough slack in the chain to remove the cover easily. Everything was linked with a heavy Master padlock. Using this system it took me about 10 minutes to lock, cover, and lock (again) the bike, but I never had a problem with vandals or thieves. -Doug 81 GS 750 L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Another cover gets stolen. Hello. I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 17:47:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22168; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01846 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29323 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA00913 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980804210531.BYTQ11077@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:05:31 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Another cover gets stolen. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdbfeb$9a130740$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Gee, you did what I would have thought would deter a thief. I guess they don't care about your initials on the bag. How about your address? Maybe it was just a homeless person who wanted to stay dry? Condolences, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Winslow [mailto:ewinslow@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 3:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another cover gets stolen. Hello. I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 18:17:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22385; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02079 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00115 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03493; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808042136.RAA03493@meretrix.com> To: Eric Winslow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:38:41 EDT." Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:36:31 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). I live in South Baltimore, and keep my covered locked on, and so far I haven't had one stolen (I've had worse luck with my Jeep). I've given deep consideration to this dilemma though, and the only solution I've come up with would be to paint in giant red letters "I (heart) John Tesh" on both sides of the cover, inside and out. My guess is that nobody would steal that cover. Hope this helps, -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 18:19:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22401; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02099 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00139 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (falcor@XXXXXX [199.0.70.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03499 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03425; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So Mobil 1 is okay for bikes? (I mean it makes sence.. but you know.) I use it in my car, and would rather use it then the expensive "Bike Oil" at the dealer. I am at 2000Mi on my f3 now... the book is a little hard to follow about the oil change after the 600 checkup. Should I change it now, and if so should I change the filter too? Can I do this without a centerstand, and or those things you hook on the weels? I.e. can I do it correctly with just the side stand? And should I wait until 3000 to put in synthetic? -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Price Club has the best price on Mobil 1 that I have seen. And the one in > Newington is the only one that I know carries the 15W50 weight. > > Glenn > > > > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? > > > > I'll be getting the filter at Coleman's since they offered the best price > > (hard to believe, I know) short of mail order. Which I know I said I > > would do but didn't. Bad girl! > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 18:19:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22409; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02104 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00148 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:36:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:36:17 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover stolen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Another cover stolen Sorry about the cover, Eric. I'll keep an eye out for it. I was about to suggest marking the cover, but I see in your postscript you already did that (I still think it's a good idea, but it's obviously not foolproof). Maybe the thief thought "EMW" was "BMW" and stole it as a status symbol. I also live in D.C., and had a cover stolen. I've heard some homeless people steal the covers for themselves. You might give the cover an odor (maybe not agreeable, but it's an idea). I think the best way to keep the cover, like the bike, is to keep it out of sight. If you can park the bike off the street (in a front or back yard) try that. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 18:40:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22811; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02288 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00562 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:58:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:58:36 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ewinslow@XXXXXX Subject: Another cover gets stolen. -Reply "The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow" How neatly did you paint it? Some idiot might have glanced at it and assumed it said "BMW." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 20:04:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23353; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03010 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02530 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:19:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdbffe$54b52d00$2880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 First bike. First day of ownership. First time taking it out of garage. Hit gravel driveway. Plonk. Oh well, no big deal. Just scraped the cases a little bit. Second bike. Try to get off of bike without putting sidestand down (so that I can put bike on centerstand) Done it a dozen times. Plonk. Oh. Did it a dozen times before putting on backrest. That gets in the way. Oh well. Just scraped the cases a bit. Third bike. Stop sign, take a left. Lean a little more, lean a little more... Hey, it's not going over anymore, and here comes the side of the road.... plonk. Oh well. It's a 17 year old bike, and those saddlebag and engine guards work NICE. No noticable damage. Today, bike number four. Shitty day at work. Screaming headache. Just wanna go home and eat. Hop on bike, put into gear. Start moving forward, start falling to the left. Plonk. Fucking disc lock. Raise bike up. Inspect for damage. Caliper is okay (whew). Mirror/turnsingal unit fell off. Fix it later (and hope the lens can be epoxied). Oh, crap. Plastic bike. Left side cover scraped up quite a bit. Oh well. At least it ain't cracked. What was I saying yesterday about the folly of a faired bike? Oh well. (BTW, I'm fine. I think I might have a bruise on the heel of my right hand in the morning. But the ego... That's gonna need some TLC.) Kids, be careful when you get the new bike. Luckily, I've never been going faster than about 5 mph on my new bike dumps. But it could be much worse. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 21:17:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23982; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03350 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03589 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.96.197] (pm2-197.his.com [205.177.96.197]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20508 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808050036.UAA20508@mail.his.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (297) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:35:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: "Dc-Cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: "Linda Tanner" >Maybe it was just a homeless person who wanted to stay dry? A neighbor actually interrupted the thief while he was also trying to roll one of Garcia's (on the list and a housemate of mine) bikes away. He left Garcia's bike in the street and picked up my cover and walked on down the road. He didn't look like a homeless person. Just slime. >-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Winslow [mailto:ewinslow@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 3:39 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Another cover gets stolen. > > >Hello. > >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This >past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running >through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a >thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. >Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? > >Eric M. Winslow >'93 GS500E >1-800-AMA-JOIN > >p.s. The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model with >my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow on it in a couple of places. >It also has a good splotch of blue spray paint on the front of it too. My >theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be >reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. If you happen to spot this >cover anywhere I'd sure like to know about it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 21:21:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24156; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03395 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03683 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.96.197] (pm2-197.his.com [205.177.96.197]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23206 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808050040.UAA23206@mail.his.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (297) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:40:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. -Reply From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It was a pretty sloppy paint job (made to look UGLY), but there would be no mistaking those initials for a brand mark. I sure wish I could keep it off the street, but that's not an option. ---------- >From: David Wakefield >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ewinslow@XXXXXX >Subject: Another cover gets stolen. -Reply >Date: Tue, Aug 4, 1998, 5:58 PM > >"The cover that was stolen was a maroon Nelson-Riggs lowend model >with my initials ("EMW") painted in bright yellow" > >How neatly did you paint it? Some idiot might have glanced at it and >assumed it said "BMW." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 21:40:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24347; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03512 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04117 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA03013 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.111.246]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980805005836.JYTA876@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:58:36 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc00c$2c2f9ba0$f66f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: The frequency of oil changes is an arcane art. I do mine at 3K mile intervals. I switched to Mobil 1 at 28k miles and I always change the filter when I change the oil. You do not need a centerstand to change the oil. The side stand will do. I remove the lower fairings and put aluminum foil on the header pipes to keep the oil that comes out when the filter is removed off the pipes. It's an easy job. I believe the manual says change the oil at 600 miles and 8k. And 8k intervals thereafter. YMMV LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. Frank Artes asked: So Mobil 1 is okay for bikes? (I mean it makes sence.. but you know.) I use it in my car, and would rather use it then the expensive "Bike Oil" at the dealer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:09:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24726; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03837 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04876 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA00803 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01aa01bdc010$422b8500$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:19:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley > It's amazing how clueless cagers are about us. > And all non-mc'ers. Contemplations of my recent downer have been accompanied by a lot of "what-ifs" about the actions of the on-scene people and police. While I was conscious and, it turns out, largely unbroken, the moment was full of questions. Take helmet off? How get it off (I had special two-finger release snap)? (It and earplugs stayed on through the ER.) Fuel spilling from MC for 20 min as I lay there. Wallet/DrLic -- where located in Aerostitch/clothing? Etc. etc. Worthy of some kind of bike-mounted emergency instructions for use when the rider unable to direct. Bill Swanson / DC (Thank you Mother for clean underwear training.) 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:09:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24732; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03839 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04879 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA00808 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01ab01bdc010$43381300$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: No Moto Status Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:25:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Inquiry was made about my no moto status. -----Original Message----- >Glad to see you are finding ways of filling the non-moto time. Never a troubling search. Many options, it's balancing that challenges. Limbo-moto causes serious glasshoppa disharmony from several practical and soulful aspects. Darn wrong time of the year. >What's the >story with your bike - totaled or no? Or are they still stalling? Are you >mostly healed? Have you decided what you're going to do next? > >questions questions > > The other insurance company is apparently on track for making me whole again. MD's, MC's, other timing all starting to come together for RIDING in the next weeks. More as things are nailed down. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:09:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24744; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03835 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04873 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13660 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA00799 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:28:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01a901bdc010$4138e7a0$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Re: Saturday/Sunday round trip Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:01:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Thanks, and again. The best high-season A. rates I've run into have been over twice that. Your bargaining approach noted (and towels go on the triplist). Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX >it was an Econolodge - . . .. End result: $25 for the >room, $3 for tax, plus a $5 key deposit, returned upon departure. :D > >Life is good. > >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:15:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24802; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03889 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05026 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13693 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA22294 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:34:58 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Any deals on helmets in the area? Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:38:43 -0400 Message-ID: <35d0b6b2.773050790@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 or RF800 to replace it. Might even like one before the trip this weekend. Has anyone seen any "sale prices" on Shoei helmets at any local dealerships? Maybe a markdown or discontinued item? Probably just wishful thinking on my part! Thanks in advance! Anita '96 GPZ1100=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:35:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24999; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04296 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05372 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:54:11 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id VAA27487; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:51:07 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027443; Tue, 4 Aug 98 21:50:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EX700ERS10JWE@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256657.0009D73C ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:47:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:47:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. To: Harry Mantakos Cc: Eric Winslow , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256657.0009E114.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL No, but then they would beat the living sh*t out of your bike. Kind of a self-defeating concept ... :-) --chris BTW, Is this the Eric Winslow that works for the AMA legislative staff in DC? In any event, welcome to the list ... To: Eric Winslow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Harry Mantakos Date: 08/04/98 09:36:31 PM GMT Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). I live in South Baltimore, and keep my covered locked on, and so far I haven't had one stolen (I've had worse luck with my Jeep). I've given deep consideration to this dilemma though, and the only solution I've come up with would be to paint in giant red letters "I (heart) John Tesh" on both sides of the cover, inside and out. My guess is that nobody would steal that cover. Hope this helps, -harry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 22:58:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25210; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04767 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05733 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:16:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id WAA29112; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:14:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa29092; Tue, 4 Aug 98 22:14:03 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EX700GCD23R8I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256657.000BFC84 ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:10:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:11:13 -0400 Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike To: Linda Tanner Cc: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <85256657.000C0779.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeah, but if you do that, you don't get the cool smoke screen (produced by the burning oil that dripped on your pipes) for the first several miles ... :-) --chris To: Dc-Cycles cc: From: Linda Tanner Date: 08/05/98 12:58:34 AM GMT Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike --snip-- I remove the lower fairings and put aluminum foil on the header pipes to keep the oil that comes out when the filter is removed off the pipes. It's an easy job. --snip-- LindaT. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 23:08:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25453; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04956 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05885 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-52-85.s85.tnt1.brd.erols.com [207.172.52.85]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27707 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C7884D.86AB3EA9@erols.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:16:46 +0000 From: Alexander Bonilla X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycle Club Subject: 94-F2 for sale!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am selling my CBR-F2, It is got a 2-bros slip-on, MEZ1 tires, it comes with quite a few accessories. It will go for $4950/negotiable If anyone knows of anyone who may be interested in the bike, please direct them to me at (301) 294-9372 or (202) 782-8399 Thanks!!! ALEX!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 23:30:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25597; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05170 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06297 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14147 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA02646; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-120-50.s50.tnt14.brd.erols.com(207.172.120.50) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma002641; Tue, 4 Aug 98 22:48:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:49:36 -0400 To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get any more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I did). With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very >hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now >than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the >pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. > >Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 >or RF800 to replace it. Might even like one before the trip this >weekend. Has anyone seen any "sale prices" on Shoei helmets at any >local dealerships? Maybe a markdown or discontinued item? Probably >just wishful thinking on my part! > >Thanks in advance! >Anita >'96 GPZ1100 > ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 23:41:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25642; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05247 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06653 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA24441; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C7F5D6.7149@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:04:06 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Jackets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Robert, Better make sure you try the HG on first somewhere. I wear a 39L suicoat and I took a 42 HG jacket. You also should figure in sweater bulk for the cooler months. -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 4 23:47:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25675; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05285 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06835 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14233 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA24566; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35c8cbb8.3186942@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:49:36 -0400, you wrote: >I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get = any >more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I = did). >With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got >ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) That doesn't seem too bad... I paid about $190 for my RF200 three years ago, and I think the RF800 is a much better helmet (later model at least!). I'm thinking I should be able to get a decent discount at Cycle Sport, but who knows! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 00:38:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26589; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05564 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07589 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.96.179] (pm7-179.his.com [205.177.96.179]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18241 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808050356.XAA18241@mail.his.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (297) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:56:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit No, that's not me. I was unaware that a namesake of mine was working in that office. I have been on the list for quite a bit, off and on, but lurk for the most part. Eric > >BTW, Is this the Eric Winslow that works for the AMA legislative staff in >DC? In any event, welcome to the list ... > > >To: Eric Winslow >cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Harry Mantakos >Date: 08/04/98 09:36:31 PM GMT >Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. > > > > > >>I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >>from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). > >I live in South Baltimore, and keep my covered locked on, and so >far I haven't had one stolen (I've had worse luck with my Jeep). >I've given deep consideration to this dilemma though, and the >only solution I've come up with would be to paint in giant red >letters "I (heart) John Tesh" on both sides of the cover, inside >and out. My guess is that nobody would steal that cover. > >Hope this helps, >-harry >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD >21230 >Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, >harry@XXXXXX > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 00:40:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26595; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05581 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07647 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25097; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:56:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:51:50 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Mike T wrote: > I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get any > more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I did). > With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got > ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) I paid $220 for my RF200 'Blaze' and got my RF700 on sale for $216,so $260 for the latest/greatest from a dealer sounds right. > At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: > >While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very > >hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now > >than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the > >pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. A drop from waist height is supposed to be enough to compress the foam,so if you bounced your's off the ground while wearing it,it's prolly time for a new one. > >Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 > >or RF800 to replace it. I like my 700 much better than my 200's.The 700 is queiter,the shield is easier to change,and I think the vents work better.The lever that cracks the shield open works better on the 200,though. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26803; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06504 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08169 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25434; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:26:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:24:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Anita, GPZ, and Insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > 2) If I don't bring the repaired bike back to them to verify that the > repair work has been done, it will show up as prior damage on my policy. > In other words, if I don't show them my repaired bike and I total it the > next week, they will deduct that prior payment from any settlement. They must've changed their policy.Back in '94 I put in a claim when my 900RR blew over and they just cut me a check.Never wanted to see the bike or anything.It only had like $750 damage,so maybe price is the big factor. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:14:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26820; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06543 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08210 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25450; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:30:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:27:54 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Time to change the oil on my bike To: "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > I need to change the oil on my bike and must to do it this week. I was > wondering where to go for the best price on Mobil 1 synthetic oil in my > area, Fairfax. 15/50 is the correct weight, right? Sounds a bit heavy for a liquid-cooled bike.I think the manuals usually call for 10w-40.I run 15w-50 in the Buell. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:20:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26834; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06572 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08292 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id RXLAa04231; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:36:25 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jackets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thanks for the tip! Any idea on any place that might have HG jackets in stock? So far I've come up empty-handed. I'm interested in trying on the Axo Stuttgart as well (I've already tried on the Technic, and wasn't too impressed for the price). Thanks in advance! I'm in no rush to get a new jacket, but will definitely have one before it gets much cooler. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow (hopefully getting that stupid hydraulic clutch fixed this week!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:30:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26927; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06625 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08436 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25494; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:44:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:37:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Frank Artes wrote: > So Mobil 1 is okay for bikes? (I mean it makes sence.. but you know.) I > use it in my car, and would rather use it then the expensive "Bike Oil" at > the dealer. They just had an article on this in _MCN_.They were discussing the new oil rating,SJ I believe.The conclusion was that heavier oils,10w-40+, weren't effected so the oil you put in your bike should be ok. > I am at 2000Mi on my f3 now... the book is a little hard to follow about > the oil change after the 600 checkup. I changed mine at 3K on my liquid-cooled bikes. > Should I change it now, and if so > should I change the filter too? How dirty is it(how black)?Yes,change your filter when you change the oil,especially if you're switching to synthetic. > Can I do this without a centerstand, and > or those things you hook on the weels? I.e. can I do it correctly with > just the side stand? Yep.My CBR9 had the oil drain on the side so it was made to be done on the sidestand.I imagine your F3 should be the same.Even if it isn't, you just let it drain until it stops coming out,then sit on the bike and hold it upright until it's finished draining again. > And should I wait until 3000 to put in synthetic? I've always heard you should wait 3K to change to synth,but Triumph says it's ok to use in their bikes right after the 600 service. YMMV,etc. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 01:34:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27009; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06654 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08483 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25512; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:48:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:45:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Another GPZ down for the count... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01aa01bdc010$422b8500$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, mobacc wrote: > Worthy of some kind of > bike-mounted emergency instructions for use when the rider unable to direct. Someone used to make stickers(AMA?) that you put on your helmet telling people not to take it off.I've also seen a sleeve with this info that you slide over your helmet strap.Also,I saw one of the listers with info on the back of his helmet in stick-on letters. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 02:02:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27272; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06840 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08840 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:17:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "mobacc" , Subject: RE: Another GPZ down for the count... Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:17:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc030$511166a0$2680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01aa01bdc010$422b8500$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 GWRRA has a page in the gold book that they reccommend you copy. Has spaces for all of your emergency info. Then put it into a particular fairing pocket with a bright sticker on the pocket that says 'emergency info inside'. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 02:02:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27276; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06843 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08843 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:17:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "Linda Tanner" Cc: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:17:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdc030$529b13e0$2680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256657.000C0779.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 My Wing's PO put some kind of crappy low grade paint on the headers (to cover rust? whaddya think:) Not at all heat resistant after the engine ran for about 5 minutes. Only took an hour or so to burn it all off. Luckily not in traffic:) Glad I wasn't following me that day. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 10:11 PM > To: Linda Tanner > Cc: Dc-Cycles > Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike > > > Yeah, but if you do that, you don't get the cool smoke screen (produced by > the burning oil that dripped on your pipes) for the first several > miles ... > :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 02:09:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27346; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06910 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08953 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6UYCa07259; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61bc5e7b.35c7ed24@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:26:59 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Santa's Motorcycle(was Re: Helmet deals.) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 In a message dated 98-08-05 01:21:28 EDT, (mike@XXXXXX) writes: << The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. >> I thought it was because he rode a TLR. =) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:20:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29620; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09739 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA12629 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIKCa22588 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2000bd24.35c835c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:36:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-08-05 01:08:06 EDT, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > > At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: > > >While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very > > >hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now > > >than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the > > >pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. > > A drop from waist height is supposed to be enough to compress the > foam,so if you bounced your's off the ground while wearing it,it's > prolly time for a new one. > The damage to the old helmet should be covered by insurance as part of the accident claim. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:32:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29681; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10270 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA12757 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id GAA20801; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:48:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa20786; Wed, 5 Aug 98 06:47:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EX700M0OPV22P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256657.003CE8A4 ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:44:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:44:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? To: "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256657.003B02E4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You know, that's what I used to think too. However, I was at the NYC moto show this winter and talking to the Snell rep about it. She said that a drop was fine, as long as the shell of the hemet wasn't cracked. The reasoning she used was that if there was no head in the helmet, then there was nothing to compress the foam, and the lid would be fine assuming that the outer shell remained OK. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Gil M. Nissley" Date: 08/04/98 11:51:50 PM GMT Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? --snip-- A drop from waist height is supposed to be enough to compress the foam,so if you bounced your's off the ground while wearing it,it's prolly time for a new one. --snip-- The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:47:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29721; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10363 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12884 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA04133 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:05:42 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:05:42 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:07:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >They just had an article on this in _MCN_.They were discussing the new >oil rating,SJ I believe.The conclusion was that heavier oils,10w-40+, >weren't effected so the oil you put in your bike should be ok. Just to add to the general confusion on the API SJ oils (I'm looking for definitive answers myself). I read in this month's Cycle World that although manufacturers are only required to meet the new API spec with their car-weight oils, many of them use the same additive package across the entire range to save buck$ in the manufacturing process. I've heard that Mobil 1 in the 15W-50 is OK, but that Mobil 1 in the 10W-30 isn't. Motorcycle oils ARE ok (naturally) and an article in this month's Big Twin (the tech note in Cycle World pointed me to this - I normally DO NOT read Harley mags)says that diesel rated oils are OK too - I'll dig a bit deeper and post some of the relevant bits from the articles when I get home tonight. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:47:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29726; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10366 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12887 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08768 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:04:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:04:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I run Mobil 1 15W50 in everything in own year round. With synthetic the "heavy" bit doesn't matter as much as conventional (dino) oils. When synthetic is cold it flows better then its dino brother does making startups easier. Glenn > Sounds a bit heavy for a liquid-cooled bike.I think the manuals > usually call for 10w-40.I run 15w-50 in the Buell. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 07:57:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29781; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10503 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12982 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA04683 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:15:36 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:15:36 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:16:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Kids, be careful when you get the new bike. Luckily, I've never been going >faster than about 5 mph on my new bike dumps. George - at least you seem to do yours in private - I usually have an audience for mine :-( My personal best was on White's Ferry. I had left my SRX-6 in gear to keep it from rolling. As the ferry approached the MD shore, I flipped out the start lever, rose up on the pegs and with a firm thrust of my leg came down on the starter lever and promptly rolled the scoot forward just far enough to roll forward off the sidestand. Thump. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 08:56:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01215; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11595 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13590 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11396 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FBEIa04179; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60e87341.35c84c8c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:03 EDT To: bnorton@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Oil Change Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 It looks like I won't be able to go this weekend. =:~(. The attrition in my office is pathetic. When the Director is out, the slackers show their true colors! I cannot commit due to the unstable staffing status in my office, and don't want to leave anyone hanging. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 09:29:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02951; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12778 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14070 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16719 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id IAA04539; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:46:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:46:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Mike T cc: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980804224802.01025564@www.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, the RF-700 has been discontinued for about a year (or more) now. So any that you find are leftovers (not necessarily a bad thing). Unfortunately I much price difference between the 700 and 800 and so I bought a 800 several months ago. On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Mike T wrote: > I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get any > more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I did). > With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got > ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) > > At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: > >While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very > >hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now > >than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the > >pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. > > > >Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 > >or RF800 to replace it. Might even like one before the trip this > >weekend. Has anyone seen any "sale prices" on Shoei helmets at any > >local dealerships? Maybe a markdown or discontinued item? Probably > >just wishful thinking on my part! > > > >Thanks in advance! > >Anita > >'96 GPZ1100 > > > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows > where all the bad girls live. > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 09:32:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03129; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12801 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14106 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808051251.IAA14106@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4D415340190; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:49:24 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:28:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Eric Winslow wrote: >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This >past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running >through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a >thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. >Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? Nope. And it might not have been a motorcycle owner who took it, it might have been a homeless person looking for some shelter. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 09:38:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03445; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12880 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14238 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808051257.IAA14238@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A647EEE0146; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:55:35 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:00:41 -0400 To: DC Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My personal best was on White's Ferry. I had left my SRX-6 in gear to >keep it from rolling. As the ferry approached the MD shore, I flipped >out the start lever, rose up on the pegs and with a firm thrust of my >leg came down on the starter lever and promptly rolled the scoot forward >just far enough to roll forward off the sidestand. Thump. >Michael J. And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like that when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something like then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who you are, and leave quickly. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:06:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05072; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13192 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14982 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic4.cais.com [207.226.56.4]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id JAA22315 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980805092302.0069557c@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:23:02 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Aug 8-10 trip news In-Reply-To: <19980804190733.ISTM729@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I may have posted this to Kirk only, by mistake, (sorry) I have a reservation at Ramada any one who wants to share is welcome. I've got ear plugs, be sure to bring yours :-) MikeB. 98 ZX900R "searching for a new name" At 03:01 PM 8/4/98 -0400, you wrote: > >In that case, let's hear from everyone else. Has everyone else made >arrangements? What are they? > >Sean and I originally hooked up, and John asked if we wouldn't mind >if he stayed in our room (to help with costs). Speaking for me and >Sean, I'm not going to say no. In fact, at $53/night, I'd just as >soon we ALL stayed in ONE room ;) > >But seriously, having an extra person in the room brings the individual >cost down to $35 + tax for the weekend. Not bad...... > >So, does everyone else have an arrangement? Let's get this out there. > >T > >______________________-original-_________________________________ >On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: >> It looks like we've got 14 participants, an even number. Is everyone >> splitting room costs? Craig, are you still planning on sleeping on the >> floor? >> >> Me, Sean Sullivan and John Kozyn are sharing a room. > >So long as no one gets stuck with paying for a room alone (unless they >want to) things should be fine. > >Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:30:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06384; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13971 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15860 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXQYa26053; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <781e50f4.35c86281@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:47:44 EDT To: ewinslow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: <> where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't even lock it through the grommets........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:32:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06510; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14013 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15922 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6FYSa11469; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f943d06.35c86320@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:50:23 EDT To: MINEREG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Another cover stolen Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/4/98 6:30:14 PM, MINEREG@XXXXXX wrote: << You might give the cover an odor (maybe not agreeable, but it's an idea).>> that's maybe why my cover is still around! LOL The cats living in my alley did a pretty good job of giving the cover an odor! ewwwwwwwwwwww Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:43:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07095; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14144 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16125 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id HAA17360 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:01:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:01:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Chris Norloff , DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:02:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Oh, yeah - I forgot to mention that my boss was with me on his Harley at the time. Being a good person, he brings it up from time to time so that I don't forget. Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 09:01 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike >My personal best was on White's Ferry. I had left my SRX-6 in gear to >keep it from rolling. As the ferry approached the MD shore, I flipped >out the start lever, rose up on the pegs and with a firm thrust of my >leg came down on the starter lever and promptly rolled the scoot forward >just far enough to roll forward off the sidestand. Thump. >Michael J. And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like that when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something like then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who you are, and leave quickly. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 10:49:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07408; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14195 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16351 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z44F3-0003vi-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:08:37 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45ED@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:07:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain How about walking down a curb, slipping & falling & slamming your helmet down (it was in my hand) on the pavement in front of a bunch of mechanics? I did that in VA Beach... - Jeannette > And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like > that > when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something > like > then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. > > Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who > you > are, and leave quickly. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 12:10:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12245; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16439 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18497 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.49 (pix001034.staff.digex.net [206.205.169.46]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23312 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:28:53 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9808051130.AA46905@172.17.2.49> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:30:46 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Technic Jacket info?? Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Has anyone on the list had any experiences with a Technic (sp?) leather jacket? I'm looking at the Chicane model (it's got little ventilation holes all throughout) and was wondering if they are a good jacket - cost is $279. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 12:26:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13152; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16988 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18892 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLHEa29489 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <318caa8b.35c87d86@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:43:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-05 10:58:55 EDT, you write: << How about walking down a curb, slipping & falling & slamming your helmet down (it was in my hand) on the pavement in front of a bunch of mechanics? I did that in VA Beach >> I got a good one too. A few weeks after I got the TL I was still getting used to its size. I stopped by Springfield Mall to see a friend and show him my new toy. When I was leaving I pulled away from the Food Court and proceeded to damn near rear end a security truck that slowed down rather abruptly. Not being used to the weight she started to go over.....bang....laying over in the middle of the street on a Saturday on my brand new machine. Jeeez..... Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 12:35:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13664; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17120 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19675 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:13 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id LAA15226 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199808051554.LAA15226@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:51:37 -0400 Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45ED@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I remember a few years ago (when I had my 454 LTD), I put the kickstand down, got off my bike, and with helmet in hand, tripped over a curb and fell face first onto the parking log, the helmet bounced about 15 feet and scraped the hell out of it. It was a brand spanking new Bell Tourstar with like 5 miles on it! (well, fives miles and an additional fifteen feet solo..*sigh*).... To add insult to injury, all my coworkers saw it on the security camera in the office...it took MONTHS before I ever heard the end of THAT! 8-P -aki > How about walking down a curb, slipping & falling & slamming your helmet > down (it was in my hand) on the pavement in front of a bunch of > mechanics? I did that in VA Beach... > > - Jeannette > > > > And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like > > that > > when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something > > like > > then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. > > > > Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who > > you > > are, and leave quickly. > > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > X-Priority: 3 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 12:51:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14545; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17707 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20119 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23136; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:09:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980805160902.EIXS11077@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:09:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: ewinslow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980805160902.EIXS11077@[166.41.242.141]> I think where you are parking Marcy, even the homeless may be afraid to trod (Just kidding). I think he said he was, and had to be, on the street. Todd --------------------------- original ------------------------------ In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: <> where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't even lock it through the grommets........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 13:07:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15502; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18452 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20675 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA22711; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:25:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-Reply-To: <199808051251.IAA14106@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Chris, That would be more plausible if he hadn't pushed a bike into the middle of the street before being interrupted by a neighbor. Nor do I think it was a homeless person who stole the side covers from my GS-650, or the battery from another bike. --garcia On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 03:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Eric Winslow wrote: > >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover > >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This > >past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running > >through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a > >thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. > >Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? > > Nope. And it might not have been a motorcycle owner who took it, it might > have been a homeless person looking for some shelter. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 13:29:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16741; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19355 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21185 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From: dc36s@XXXXXX Received: from [209.86.90.10] (user-38lcmga.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.10]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08803 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: dc36s@XXXXXX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:50:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 14:02:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18495; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19823 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22424 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z47FN-0003GZ-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:21:09 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F45F5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Another cover gets stolen. Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:19:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Too true!! ; ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 12:04 PM > To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Cc: ewinslow@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. > > > I think where you are parking Marcy, even the homeless may be afraid > to trod (Just kidding). > > I think he said he was, and had to be, on the street. > > Todd > > > --------------------------- original ------------------------------ > In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't > even > lock it through the grommets........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 14:50:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22178; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20334 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24001 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808051809.OAA24001@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF6E166A0190; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:07:42 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:10:01 -0400 To: Garcia Oliver From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: <199808051251.IAA14106@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nah, the bike was probably to replace his missing shopping cart, the side covers were to make rainhats for him and a friend, and the battery was for their little TV. at least that's what the homeless do in this part of town, Chris Norloff At 12:25 PM 8/5/98 -0400, Garcia Oliver wrote: >Hi, Chris, > >That would be more plausible if he hadn't pushed a bike into the >middle of the street before being interrupted by a neighbor. Nor do I >think it was a homeless person who stole the side covers from my GS-650, >or the battery from another bike. > >--garcia > >On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >> At 03:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Eric Winslow wrote: >> >I do want to ask if anyone has a good method to keep the motorcycle cover >> >from being ripped off the motorcycle (other than move out of DC). This >> >past weekend I lost my second cover in 4 months. I had a lock running >> >through the grommets on the underside of the cover, but, of course, a >> >thief can just cut the cover around one of the grommets to free it. >> >Anybody have a good way of dealing with this? >> >> Nope. And it might not have been a motorcycle owner who took it, it might >> have been a homeless person looking for some shelter. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 15:58:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29659; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20933 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27400 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15574; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-Reply-To: <781e50f4.35c86281@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's been parked on 19th St and Park Rd in Mt. Pleasant. I did go 2 and a half years with no problems, but have heard of others in the area that have lost their unlocked covers. On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't even > lock it through the grommets........ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 16:37:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02005; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21582 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29432 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01692 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 3WKIa22587 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <993a4287.35c8b85a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:54:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another F2 for Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 1994, CBR600F2, White, Black & Red, De-Stickered, 20K, Original Owner, Always Garaged, Stripped for "one up" riding (have all original parts), D & D Slip on, New 207's, New Brakes, New braided rear line, Smoke EuroShield, Runs great, Looks great. $4,250 Tom T. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 16:46:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02587; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21778 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00020 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id NAA16473 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:05:24 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:05:24 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Concours owners - info wanted Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:06:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey y'all One of my co workers is looking at Concours but has heard all sorts of horror stiries about the dreaded handlebar buzz. He'd appreciate your impressions of the scooter (and its buzz). Thanks, Michael J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 16:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03104; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21989 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00567 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WHWNa27848 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2c812e5b.35c8bcbf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:12:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Technic Jacket info?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 I just purchased the same jacket a week or so ago. See my post within the past week for my opinion on it. - KO In a message dated 8/5/98 12:20:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elliottm@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Technic Jacket info?? > Date: 8/5/98 12:20:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: elliottm@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ('DC Cycles') > > Has anyone on the list had any experiences with a Technic (sp?) leather > jacket? I'm looking at the Chicane model (it's got little ventilation holes > > all throughout) and was wondering if they are a good jacket - cost is $279. > > Any info would be appreciated! > > Thanks > > Matt > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) > by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v46.20) with SMTP; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:20:38 -0400 > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) > by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id MAA24420; > Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id LAA16439 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:29:05 -0400 > (EDT) > Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id LAA18497 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) > > Received: from 172.17.2.49 (pix001034.staff.digex.net [206.205.169.46]) by > drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23312 for edu>; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:28:53 -0400 > X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-Id: <9808051130.AA46905@XXXXXX> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:30:46 -0300 > From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") > To: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: Technic Jacket info?? > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Disposition: Inline > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 16:58:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03276; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22062 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00653 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:16:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA00719; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256657.006F5BAF ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:16:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Eric Winslow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256657.006F1374.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:17:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I used to live on Irving Street (near where it meets Kenyon...1853 Irving) and am unfortunately very familiar with the vermin that prey on the good citizens' vehicles in that neck of the woods. Had my beetle broken into several times on that street...I lived in Brooklyn twice as long with only a single break-in. My advice is to use the coil cable lock over your next cover in conjunction with several very visible chains...try to chain the bike to a signpost or telephone pole thats next to the curb...you can't prevent a determined person from taking what you've got, but you can make it as difficult as possible for them to get it. Amd if they can't get it then the rats will :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. It's been parked on 19th St and Park Rd in Mt. Pleasant. I did go 2 and a half years with no problems, but have heard of others in the area that have lost their unlocked covers. On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/4/98 4:33:01 PM, ewinslow@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > where have you been parking?!?! I haven't had any problem and I don't even > lock it through the grommets........ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 17:47:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06181; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24033 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02461 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03137; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04042; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808052105.RAA04042@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Concours owners - info wanted To: mike@XXXXXX (Jordan Michael" ) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Jordan, Michael" " at Aug 5, 98 01:06:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Hey y'all One of my co workers is looking at Concours but has heard all > sorts of horror stiries about the dreaded handlebar buzz. He'd > appreciate your impressions of the scooter (and its buzz). Most often the buzz is because the shop did not set the bike up correctly. If he goes to http://www.concours.org there are some suggestions on there for reducing any buzz. Also if he goes on the Concours E-mail list (info on the above mentioned web page) and asks, he'll get several suggestions on different ways to reduce any leftover buzz. My impression of the scooter: Very good. It was exactly what I thought it would be, and exactly what I wanted. 9 months and 15,000 miles later I have no regrets about buying it. If your friend would like to meet a group of Connie owners, there will be a picnic in Richmond next Saturday for the Concours Owners Group. I can get him in touch with the guy running it. That way he'd be able to talk to a whole bunch of owners, and get all the feedback (and arm twisting) that he'll need. :-) Feel free to pass my e-mail address along to your friend if he'd like to contact me. > Michael J Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 18:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07538; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24303 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03272 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 179; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:24:45 -0400 Message-ID: <35C8CDB6.203E007A@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:25:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Concours owners - info wanted References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > > Hey y'all One of my co workers is looking at Concours but has heard all > sorts of horror stiries about the dreaded handlebar buzz. He'd > appreciate your impressions of the scooter (and its buzz). Mike, There is a buzz with the Concours, but is is mild in comparison to my old bike, the 1978 Kawasaki 1000 LTD. Also, mirrors are solidly mounted to the fairing, not to the handlbars, so objects are clear in the rear-view at highway speeds (what a concept). Inline 4's tend to have a higher frequency buzz than say, a Slowzuki Salvage thumper, and it can get annoying, but not as bad as certain members of the Press have made it out to be. Some Connies buzz more than others, usually the culprit is a mis-adjusted counterbalancer, something I'm gonna try to play with at the 12k mile service. (Coming up soon.) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 19:12:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA08713; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26631 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05411 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-118-74.s74.tnt13.brd.erols.com [207.172.118.74]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01439 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808052230.SAA01439@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: 96 CBR 600 For Sale Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:29:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am considering selling my 96 F3 and moving up. Bike is in perfect shape. 11.5K miles. Micron full race, K&N, Dynojet, adjustable ignition advancer, AFAM chain & sprocket, shift kit, etc. All receipts. Dyno slips. Never dropped. $5800.00. Will consider offers. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 5 19:35:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09290; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27233 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05896 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.57]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:51:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jordan, Michael" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Concours owners - info wanted Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc0c3$9039ba60$3980e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 If people can put solid bar mounts on the BMW K series bikes and then go sport touring, I'm sure that the Connie is fine. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:11:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11583; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00338 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11885 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01417; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:25:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:20:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Eric Winslow wrote: > My > theory was that if I covered it with my initials someone would be > reluctant to steal it. So much for that theory. A friend of mine had one cover stolen on base(Ft Myer) and two stolen from the Pentagon City mall parking lot.On his last one he had not only put his initials,but FOP(Frat Order Police) with a bogus membership #. Figured people would think he hung with cops and would leave the bike alone.Didn't work. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:16:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11705; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00494 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12002 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01447; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:31:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:28:36 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001bdbffe$54b52d00$2880e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > Kids, be careful when you get the new bike. Luckily, I've never been going > faster than about 5 mph on my new bike dumps. But it could be much worse. Don't feel bad.The day after I got my V30 Magna(picked it up Fri night, this happened next morning) I was coming home from showing it to my uncle when I hit gravel in an ess curve and flipped it.Messed up the front end and broke my left wrist in 2 places.It was 2 months before I got to ride my new bike again. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:19:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11792; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00570 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12066 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01456; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:35:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:31:53 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199808051257.IAA14238@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > And lots of people were watching? The chance of doing something like that > when no one's around is very small. The chance of doing something like > then when EVERYBODY'S watching is vastly greater. So is the chance of the bike not starting.First time I rode my XL200 to high school,it refused to start when school let out.*Everyone* was watching.Had to pop start it down the hill. > Oh well. Take a bow, keep your faceshield down so no one knows who you > are, and leave quickly. Aren't tinted shields great? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:21:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11829; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00610 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12098 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01467; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:36:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:35:22 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Santa's Motorcycle(was Re: Helmet deals.) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <61bc5e7b.35c7ed24@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 98-08-05 01:21:28 EDT, (mike@XXXXXX) writes: > << The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows > where all the bad girls live. >> > I thought it was because he rode a TLR. =) Nope,he's got an Indian sidecar rig.Got the Hallmark ornament of it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 00:30:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11886; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00646 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12255 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01549; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:45:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:44:19 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re:G00F's 4 Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: CBR600twt@XXXXXX, rdt@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Let me guess guys,you're both hot for the new Buell X1 Lightning, right? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 01:04:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12137; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01664 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12691 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA06446; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:22:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:22:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Gil M. Nissley" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another cover gets stolen. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dunno, at one time I might have found this to be an incentive... On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Gil M. Nissley wrote: > A friend of mine had one cover stolen on base(Ft Myer) and two stolen > from the Pentagon City mall parking lot.On his last one he had not only > put his initials,but FOP(Frat Order Police) with a bogus membership #. > Figured people would think he hung with cops and would leave the bike > alone.Didn't work. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 Fat Boy (soon) > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 01:48:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12490; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02084 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13196 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 01:04:27 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc0f7$b03a2e60$2880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > Don't feel bad.The day after I got my V30 Magna(picked it up Fri night, > this happened next morning) I was coming home from showing it to my uncle > when I hit gravel in an ess curve and flipped it.Messed up the front end > and broke my left wrist in 2 places.It was 2 months before I got to ride > my new bike again. :-P Actually, I'm glad everyone on the list chimed in with their stories. My ego is recovering nicely. As for the bike, found out that Loctite has a special CA glue I got at PepBoys supposedly especially for plastic. Has two parts. Clear thin liquid that you brush on the parts. Didn't soften them (visibly) and seemed to evaporate very fast. Maybe just a solvent/cleaner? Then the CA comes in a tiny (VERY tiny) tube. But goes on in a gel rather than like water. Just as sticky as the other stuff, still gets all over the place, and seems to have the same strength. But, since it takes a little longer to set, you can get things in position. Worked on my lens as well as the mirror/lens housing (although part of that has already popped apart. I know I didn't use much glue in that area). So, if it stays together for a few days, that gets my endorsement. Not sure if you can find similar/cheap stuff elsewhere. This was on the rack (and my office shares a parking lot for Pep Boys, so I tend to buy a fair amount of stuff there;) If it doesn't work, I also got a two-part epoxy type concoction (but, since it's 'specially formulated for plastic' it might stick fairing plastic, etc together) Knew a guy from delphi (the online service) who lived near Annapolis. Picked up a Marauder last summer. Hadn't even made the first payment (hadn't gotten the complimentary leather jacket from Suzuki yet) and was rear-ended (deliberately) on 450. Totalled bike. He was outta work for about a week or two (I don't remember if there were any breaks, but LOTS of soft tissue damage as well as the dizziness from a severe concussion. This was a getoff at a rather high speed) Don't know if they ever caught the guy, or if he got another bike, as I haven't spoken to him since about 3 months after this happened. But, last I heard, he was gonna get another bike sometime, and avoid the western shore like the plague. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 08:47:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14866; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05227 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17696 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808061205.IAA17696@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABA2194E0190; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:03:46 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:39:55 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Concours owners - info wanted In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:06 PM 8/5/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >Hey y'all One of my co workers is looking at Concours but has heard all >sorts of horror stiries about the dreaded handlebar buzz. He'd >appreciate your impressions of the scooter (and its buzz). Some Connie's may have had unsolvable handlebar buzzing, but most don't. First and foremost is to keep the engine tuned, including the engine counter-balancer adjustment. Correct application of handlebar bar-end weights and soft grips can help. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 08:48:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14880; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05233 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17701 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808061206.IAA17701@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB9F194E0190; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:03:46 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:57:31 -0400 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike In-Reply-To: <000001bdc0f7$b03a2e60$2880e2cf@ghowell> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 AM 8/6/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >As for the bike, found out that Loctite has a special CA glue I got at >PepBoys supposedly especially for plastic. Has two parts. Clear thin liquid >that you brush on the parts. Didn't soften them (visibly) and seemed to >evaporate very fast. Maybe just a solvent/cleaner?.... Not sure if you can find > similar/cheap stuff elsewhere. The first stuff is probably primer - it cleans and prepares the surfaces. I don't know where else to get it, but I still have some left over from the ThreeBond Glue Kits. The best place I've found for CA (cyanoacrylate, "super glue") glue is hobby stores - it's used for radio-controlled models. You can buy it in different viscosities (I like thick so it stays where I put it, more or less) and different curing times (I like slow, but that's only 10-25 sec. depending on temperature). I also get accelerator in a pump-spray bottle - it's really great to put something together, spray a little accelerator on it and it's done. (If the temperature is below 70 deg. F, it can take many minutes to harden without accelerator.) Then do the same with the next piece, and it's amazing how quickly you can put those little pieces back together into one big piece. I back weak joints with fiberglass cloth, bonded with the CA glue. I have no idea what the different strengths of different types of CA glue are, though generally the longer the cure time the stronger the bond with glues that cure. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 09:06:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14987; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05314 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17898 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:25:23 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042201354@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Anyone wanna race? Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:23:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm attempting to sell my RS125 - if anyone's interested, let me know. I'm asking $4000, but will sell it for $3000 to a lister. Details upon request. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 09:49:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15318; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05680 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18521 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig2.att.att.com by kcgw2.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Thu Aug 6 07:47 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA24655 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:07:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC119.9A994100@XXXXXX>; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Chain your bike . . . Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw an article in one of the British MC rags and they were saying that if you use a chain to lock up your MC, be sure NOT to leave any slack, (or as little as possible). According to them, a thief can utilize a hydraulic jack to wedge and break the chain apart. They didn't mention anything about locking up a cover though. Maybe a Smith & Wesson . . . . .OH NO! NOT *THAT* thread again!! John Carver VFR800 GO RIDE From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 09:50:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15322; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05683 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18524 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA16665 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256658.00481E5C ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:43 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256658.00482A6A.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:09:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Santa's Motorcycle(was Re: Helmet deals.) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Guess he rotates vehicles every year because my ornament has the fat man in a VW beetle convertible ;-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Santa's Motorcycle(was Re: Helmet deals.) On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 98-08-05 01:21:28 EDT, (mike@XXXXXX) writes: > << The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows > where all the bad girls live. >> > I thought it was because he rode a TLR. =) Nope,he's got an Indian sidecar rig.Got the Hallmark ornament of it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 10:01:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15726; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06103 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18782 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNFTa20768 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35a54929.35c9ad30@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:18:39 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: subscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Just so you all know and don't bother flaming anymore ..... I told my friend to subscribe to this list using the "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" address because I don't have a clue where else to tell him to email. So sue me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 10:28:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15941; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06758 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19641 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 13:45:36 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23791 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Finally! The VFR is mein Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, satan must be wearing mittens, because I just picked up the '94 VFR 750 I've been lusting over.. all I can say is.. WOW! The difference between it and my katana is night and day. Where the Katana felt squirrely and hesitant in the corners - kinda like an anxious girlfriend on a first date, the VFR is rock solid.. doesn't twitch, doesn't complain, just holds the line as if to say "What? Thats it? hmph.." And comfort? First off, when I do 75 on the VFR, it feels like I'm doing 55 in the kat.. around 75 on the Kat, it starts getting annoying - wind buffet, and the whole chassis doesn't feel very happy. On the VFR, I didn't even know how fast I was going till I looked at the speedo! Hot damn! I really like the looks on my new baby.. she's got very clean, smooth lines.. and a 5 gallon tank! How 'bout that! Throttle response is excellent as well.. and vibration doesn't even set in till ~9000 rpm, and I figure at that RPM, any engine vibrates.. I need to get two things fixed on it before I go touring any distance.. hell.. before I even ride it again.. the whole front end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." Have to get that looked at.. the other thing would be the chain.. its got a few crappy links in it that aren't particularly happy.. I'm not worried about it breaking or anything, but I will have to replace that thing before I take it on anything over a 20 mile trip. So for right now I'm going to hold off till friday, get the various parts I need, and hopefully be riding saturday/ sunday and good to go! And one final thing - brake response! Excellent! Simply tug on the brake lever with two fingers, and it BITES really hard.. very good response and feel off the lever.. P.S. Everything I read and heard about this bike was true! It really is an awesome piece of machinery. My hat goes off to Mr. Honda for hiring some good engineers. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 10:28:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15947; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06770 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19666 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WSMHa04179 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4dc96e38.35c9b386@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:45:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/6/98 9:15:48 AM, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX wrote: << but will sell it for $3000 to a lister.>> If ONLY I had $3000! I just watched this "Crusty Demons of Dirt" video last night (dirtbikers travel the world and tear tracks into formerly beautiful desert/swamp/hills ......) ;D Those boys are NUTS. Looks like fun! Jumping and flipping and diving into large bodies of water (WITH their vehicles) ......... Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 10:56:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16197; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07616 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20918 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:15:28 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:14:39 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Heyser Cycle Sale -Reply I bought a Vulcan 800 at this sale. It's a great bike. They threw in no accessories. A friend later told me never buy a new bike without making them throw in a few free accessories. Any comments on this? By the time I finished buying accessories and the extended maintenance plan I had racked up about another $1,200. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:03:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16251; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08057 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21108 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:22:26 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042201357@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: subscribe Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:20:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, my Lawyer's going to be calling you as soon as you give me the phone number.. Seriously though, all requests (to get on or off the list) need to go to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX - aka, Harry.. When you subscribe, he sends you a message from that address with some information (as does every e-mail listserv) which is quite valuable, and worth saving. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subscribe Just so you all know and don't bother flaming anymore ..... I told my friend to subscribe to this list using the "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" address because I don't have a clue where else to tell him to email. So sue me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:04:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16255; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08104 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21129 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:20:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:20:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc145$4c5b54c0$2280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I thought about going to the hobby store in Waldorf for the CA glue. Except for one thing. They are even less helpful than ACP. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:06:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16299; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08162 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21163 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:21:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: subscribe Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:21:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc145$85848280$2280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35a54929.35c9ad30@aol.com> Importance: Normal Consider the suit filed:) BTW, whenever I tell anyone about the list, I just give 'em the url: www.dc-cycles.org It's not like a few years ago when nobody had web access (and while I haven't tried it, I bet those pages even look okay in Lynx:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:15:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16381; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08437 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21450 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01986; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:33:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980806143324.QDXL876@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:33:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980806143324.QDXL876@[166.41.242.141]> So, then that would mean you may not have a clue as to how to Unsubscribe? Wow Marcy, this is almost a serious post you have here. Where's the normal :D I'm so used too... ;) Todd From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35a54929.35c9ad30@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:18:39 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subscribe Just so you all know and don't bother flaming anymore ..... I told my friend to subscribe to this list using the "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" address because I don't have a clue where else to tell him to email. So sue me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:33:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16704; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08665 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21886 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ixf2.securewebs.com ([208.213.173.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20677 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ChrisH@XXXXXX Received: from titan ([199.174.134.167]) by ixf2.securewebs.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41701U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA243 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:55:24 +0100 Reply-To: Sender: "Christopher D. Hornbecker" To: Subject: 96 VFR FOR SALE Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:55:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc149$3584a220$1400000a@titan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have a 1996 VFR750 for sale. 5K mi. always garaged adult owned magknight tank bra not a scratch on it!!!!!!! I have recently reduced the acking price to $6700 to make a quick sale......I don't have time to ride (I've put only 50 mi. this year :-( ) Please visit http://www.powerlinkusa.com/vfr4sale for pictures and more information. If you don't like the price of the accessories I have listed....email me an offer at ChrisH@XXXXXX. Chris Hornbecker ChrisH@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:34:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16753; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08677 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (known smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21902 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3 (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAB25998; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:39:40 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3 (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23250; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:44:00 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100021138466; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:54:17 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: Re: subscribe Message-ID: <5040100021138466000002L062*@MHS> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:54:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I can't resist, OK Sue! Actually I like Marcy better but if you insist........................ Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 08-06-98 10:22 AM --------------------------- JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 08-06-98 10:11:22 AM Please respond to JinnSinn@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: subscribe >>So sue me. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:44:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16836; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09232 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22158 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA25694 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:02:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808061502.KAA25694@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ip148.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.47.148) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025537; Thu Aug 6 10:01:32 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:01:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: joke no m/c content Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199808061205.IAA17696@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sitting on the side of the highway waiting to catch speeding drivers, a State Police Officer sees a car puttering along at 22 MPH. He thinks to himself, "This driver is just as dangerous as a speeder!" So he turns on his lights and pulls the driver over. Approaching the car, he notices that there are five old ladies-two in the front seat and three in the back-wide eyed and white as ghosts. The driver, obviously confused, says to him, "Officer, I don't understand, I was doing exactly the speed limit! What seems to be the problem?" "Ma'am," the officer replies, "you weren't speeding, but you should know that driving slower than the speed limit can also be a danger to other drivers." "Slower than the speed limit? No sir, I was doing the speed limit exactly...Twenty- two miles an hour!" the old woman says a bit proudly. The State Police officer, trying to contain a chuckle explains to her that "22" was the route number, not the speed limit. A bit embarrassed, the woman grinned and thanked the officer for pointing out her error. "But before I let you go, Ma'am, I have to ask... Is everyone in this car OK? These women seem awfully shaken and they haven't muttered a single peep this whole time," the officer asks. "Oh, they'll be all right in a minute officer. We just got off Route 119." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 11:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16856; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09391 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22202 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z4RaD-0004f2-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:02 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4603@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Finally! The VFR is mein Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know what you mean. When I went from my VF 500 to my VFR 700, the difference was amazing!! Congrats! - Jeannette > Well, satan must be wearing mittens, because I just picked up the > '94 VFR 750 I've been lusting over.. all I can say is.. WOW! The > difference between it and my katana is night and day. > > Where the Katana felt squirrely and hesitant in the corners - > kinda like an anxious girlfriend on a first date, the VFR is > rock solid.. doesn't twitch, doesn't complain, just holds > the line as if to say "What? Thats it? hmph.." And comfort? > First off, when I do 75 on the VFR, it feels like I'm doing > 55 in the kat.. around 75 on the Kat, it starts getting annoying > - wind buffet, and the whole chassis doesn't feel very happy. > On the VFR, I didn't even know how fast I was going till I looked > at the speedo! Hot damn! > > I really like the looks on my new baby.. she's got very clean, > smooth lines.. and a 5 gallon tank! How 'bout that! Throttle > response is excellent as well.. and vibration doesn't even set > in till ~9000 rpm, and I figure at that RPM, any engine vibrates.. > > I need to get two things fixed on it before I go touring any > distance.. hell.. before I even ride it again.. the whole front > end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted > about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." > Have to get that looked at.. the other thing would be the chain.. > its got a few crappy links in it that aren't particularly happy.. > I'm not worried about it breaking or anything, but I will have > to replace that thing before I take it on anything over a 20 > mile trip. So for right now I'm going to hold off till friday, > get the various parts I need, and hopefully be riding saturday/ > sunday and good to go! > > And one final thing - brake response! Excellent! Simply > tug on the brake lever with two fingers, and it BITES > really hard.. very good response and feel off the lever.. > > P.S. > Everything I read and heard about this bike was true! It > really is an awesome piece of machinery. My hat goes off to Mr. > Honda for hiring some good engineers. > > Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 12:25:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17408; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11412 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23199 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLAa013456 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TLR problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Yeah, I think my tlr has already fouled the plugs in it. I took it to the oceanon monday, then on tuesday, it wouldnt start, nor wednesday. I cant figure out what it is. Anyway, does anyone have Suzuki's number that I can call and bitch at them. I tried calling a couple service places, one cant get to it til next week, and one will try to get to it. but I still have to cover towing. sucks to be me. Sean G. Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 13:11:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17984; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12326 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26573 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24804 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:28:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'mjb@XXXXXX'" , ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Mobil 1 prices... was Time to change the oil on my bike Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:28:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Well, Target must have been having a sale when it was $3.33. I went by the one just south of Crystal City at lunch and its $3.99 for any flavor. I guess Price Club is still the cheapest place. Glenn > Dunno about the correct weight, but surprisingly Target has had really > good prices on Mobil 1- last time I checked, it was 3.33/qt in single > bottles (or about $20/case) compared to Trak Auto- which was $4.00/qt > and the previous winner- Price Club which is now at ~$22 a case, or > $3.67/qt. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 13:14:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18019; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12362 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26710 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 333 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:32:25 -0400 Message-ID: <35C9DAB3.C8A3B904@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:32:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subscribe References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042201357@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Ok, my Lawyer's going to be calling you as soon as you give me the phone > number.. > Uhh, Brian, maybe I'm old-fashioned here, but I don't think you'll have much luck getting chick's phone numbers that way.... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 14:22:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19935; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13857 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28976 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA01331; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: George Howell cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike In-Reply-To: <000001bdc145$4c5b54c0$2280e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > I thought about going to the hobby store in Waldorf for the CA glue. Except > for one thing. They are even less helpful than ACP. I'm willing to bet that would be Doug's you're speaking of. There used to be a decent hobby shop in Wildwood Center (Flying Circus I think it was called), but it closed several years ago - maybe even before I left the wonders of St. Mary's six years ago... Don't know where else you'd look locally - I turned to mail order myself (NOT to start that thread again!) Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 14:23:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19942; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13871 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29000 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27930 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19102 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:45:16 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036554@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Finally! The VFR is mein Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:45:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > the whole front > end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted > about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." > > That doesn't sound good. Are the fork tubes twisted or bent? What did the owner say about it? How did it happen? Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 14:42:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20447; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14081 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00894 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA22458 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980806180023.SGWA729@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:00:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: From MC ONLINE X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980806180023.SGWA729@[166.41.242.141]> >From the "Daily News" section of Motorcycle Online...I got a chuckle.. --------------- "Even though the Art of the Motorcycle exhibit is the most popular exhibit ever at the Guggenheim Museum, drawing more people than the celebrated Rauschenberg and Matisse retrospectives, some critics have rejected the exhibition as vulgar and lowbrow. The New Republic's Jed Perl calls it a "pop nostalgia orgy masquerading as a major artistic statement." Since when did we start taking seriously anybody named Jed? By the way, we haven't seen the Guggenheim show yet. Unfortunately we've been spending most of our free time at the Black Velvet Elvis and Lava Lamp retrospective in beautiful, downtown Barstow. While we're at it, isn't it about time that the effete, cultural snobs in New York City wake up and recognize Five Dogs Playing Poker as a masterpiece. Now that's art, baby!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 14:56:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21001; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14587 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01570 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGCHa02268 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <196e86a1.35c9f262@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:13:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: glueing plastic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Hey all!! I just got my Shadow back from the dealer and notcied that the left side battery cover panel is cracked. They won't take responsibility for it because the bike was towed there. It's minor, so I'm not gonna push it. I had noticed a thread on glues, but didn't give it any thought til now (I JUST got the bike back!). I was thinking of putting a piece of material behind the crack and glueing it. Any tips or recommendations? It's not worth getting another panel and having it painted and all. I was just gonna use some touch up paint over the crack once it's glued. Well, I've rambled on enough. Thanks in advance for any help!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 16:55:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23967; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15828 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08211 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id QRIIa11468; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:12:09 EDT To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TLR problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 <> Im in Arnold, md, right outside annapolis. if someone is volunteering to help move it to the dealer for me, I would greatly appreciate it. The next time I could do it is gonna be next tuesday. I need it transported to Cycle World in Brooklyn Park near baltimore on Ritchie Hwy. They are great at getting things in and out in one day. As far as replacing the plugs, I dont know If I want to delve in the belly of the beast. its a little more intimidating than my old nighthawk. plus I dont have a manual to tell me how to do it correctly. If anyone wants to help me, again, Id be more than happy to let you. I need this fixed by the 28th, as on the 29th, Im going to the pocono races. Anyone else up for it? Sean 98 TLR<--(currently in suspended animation) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 17:29:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24461; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16291 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 315 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: <35CA167F.5AF48DC3@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 16:47:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: glueing plastic References: <196e86a1.35c9f262@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey all!! I just got my Shadow back from the dealer and notcied that the left > side battery cover panel is cracked. They won't take responsibility for it > because the bike was towed there. In other words, they broke it, and are blaming somebody else, anybody else. So tow-trucks normally tug the bike along by the sidecovers nowadays, hmm? I think your dealer is full of it. But then again, I wouldn't trust most dealers to air up my tires. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 6 18:02:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24720; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17158 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10773 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA27992 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: TLR problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Have you tried replacing the plugs?>> > > As far as replacing the plugs, I dont know If I want to delve in the belly of > the beast. its a little more intimidating than my old nighthawk. plus I dont > have a manual to tell me how to do it correctly How many plugs does that thing have? Curiousity and all... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:15:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29127; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22352 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20304 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXA0081BV4VKU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:31:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:29:25 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <009a01bdc1cc$b996d140$d54337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >If ONLY I had $3000! I just watched this "Crusty Demons of Dirt" video last >night (dirtbikers travel the world and tear tracks into formerly beautiful >desert/swamp/hills ......) ;D Those boys are NUTS. Looks like fun! Jumping and >flipping and diving into large bodies of water (WITH their vehicles) ......... > >Marcy Marcy, This is a street bike! A 125cc two stroke street bike............. Jon -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? > >In a message dated 8/6/98 9:15:48 AM, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX wrote: > ><< but will sell it for $3000 to a lister.>> > >If ONLY I had $3000! I just watched this "Crusty Demons of Dirt" video last >night (dirtbikers travel the world and tear tracks into formerly beautiful >desert/swamp/hills ......) ;D Those boys are NUTS. Looks like fun! Jumping and >flipping and diving into large bodies of water (WITH their vehicles) ......... > >Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:15:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29157; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22359 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20342 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXA009IPV8N70@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:34:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:31:40 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Finally! The VFR is mein To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00a101bdc1cd$0a853380$d54337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Alex, I guess you just found out the hard way that the Katana is junk....... now you know...... 8^) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:56 AM Subject: Finally! The VFR is mein > >Well, satan must be wearing mittens, because I just picked up the >'94 VFR 750 I've been lusting over.. all I can say is.. WOW! The >difference between it and my katana is night and day. > >Where the Katana felt squirrely and hesitant in the corners - >kinda like an anxious girlfriend on a first date, the VFR is >rock solid.. doesn't twitch, doesn't complain, just holds >the line as if to say "What? Thats it? hmph.." And comfort? >First off, when I do 75 on the VFR, it feels like I'm doing >55 in the kat.. around 75 on the Kat, it starts getting annoying >- wind buffet, and the whole chassis doesn't feel very happy. >On the VFR, I didn't even know how fast I was going till I looked >at the speedo! Hot damn! > >I really like the looks on my new baby.. she's got very clean, >smooth lines.. and a 5 gallon tank! How 'bout that! Throttle >response is excellent as well.. and vibration doesn't even set >in till ~9000 rpm, and I figure at that RPM, any engine vibrates.. > >I need to get two things fixed on it before I go touring any >distance.. hell.. before I even ride it again.. the whole front >end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted >about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." >Have to get that looked at.. the other thing would be the chain.. >its got a few crappy links in it that aren't particularly happy.. >I'm not worried about it breaking or anything, but I will have >to replace that thing before I take it on anything over a 20 >mile trip. So for right now I'm going to hold off till friday, >get the various parts I need, and hopefully be riding saturday/ >sunday and good to go! > >And one final thing - brake response! Excellent! Simply >tug on the brake lever with two fingers, and it BITES >really hard.. very good response and feel off the lever.. > >P.S. >Everything I read and heard about this bike was true! It >really is an awesome piece of machinery. My hat goes off to Mr. >Honda for hiring some good engineers. > >Alex. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:20:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29319; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22371 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20427 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EXA00ESDVGXY6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:38:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:36:38 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: TLR problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00a601bdc1cd$bbdcad20$d54337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Is it me or does it seem like all the TL's are having a few problems. Hmmmmm.......... This is not a slam on TL's or their owners, I love TL's, but it's making me wonder about Suzuki. Jon S. -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:48 AM Subject: TLR problems >Yeah, I think my tlr has already fouled the plugs in it. I took it to the >oceanon monday, then on tuesday, it wouldnt start, nor wednesday. I cant >figure out what it is. Anyway, does anyone have Suzuki's number that I can >call and bitch at them. I tried calling a couple service places, one cant get >to it til next week, and one will try to get to it. but I still have to cover >towing. sucks to be me. > > >Sean G. Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:23:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29341; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22390 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20473 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXA007B2VMC30@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:42:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:39:54 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: TLR problems To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00a901bdc1ce$30c543e0$d54337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sean, Give me a call, I'll help you out. If I can't fix it, I can put it in my truck and take it to Cycle World. 410-799-5888 You need it fixed before we go to Pocono! Stupid question - do you have gas in the tank? Just curious. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:48 AM Subject: TLR problems >Yeah, I think my tlr has already fouled the plugs in it. I took it to the >oceanon monday, then on tuesday, it wouldnt start, nor wednesday. I cant >figure out what it is. Anyway, does anyone have Suzuki's number that I can >call and bitch at them. I tried calling a couple service places, one cant get >to it til next week, and one will try to get to it. but I still have to cover >towing. sucks to be me. > > >Sean G. Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:41:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29446; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22437 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20704 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:59:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUVVa17154; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:56:00 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:56:00 EDT To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: subscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-08-06 10:33:30 EDT, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: << So, then that would mean you may not have a clue as to how to Unsubscribe? Wow Marcy, this is almost a serious post you have here. Where's the normal :D I'm so used too... ;) >> that would be correct! ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 00:44:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29453; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22948 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20779 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id PDVOa04141; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a0cbf5d.35ca7c49@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:02:16 EDT To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The VFR is mein REPLY/off topic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-08-06 10:38:04 EDT, alexm@XXXXXX writes: << Where the Katana felt squirrely and hesitant in the corners - kinda like an anxious girlfriend on a first date, >> hmmmm ..... if she's a girlfriend how can it be a first date? :P and 2) if it's a first date and the girl is hesitant and squirrelly, WHAT exactly are ya tryin' to do to her? heh heh Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 01:07:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29576; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23527 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21448 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:23:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Brian E. Ewell" Cc: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdc1bb$1f9d75a0$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Yes, that would be Doug's, and yes, Flying Circus was a fantastic place. I used to go there about twice a month. They were willing to order some fantastic models from Japan (still have a Datsun Roadster to put together) that they wouldn't order at Dougs. I would have shed a tear the last time I went there, but was able to get 50% on models that day. Managed to pick up about two or three dozen (most still unbuilt). I bought what I could while they were in business, and I hope that my reducing their stock helped a little more. BTW, one of the biggest problems with the Wildewood Shopping Centre was (is?) that it had the highest rent of almost any strip center in So. Md. Poor financing by the owners. They eventually sold out a few years ago. Don't know if the squeeze lessened. And as far as mail order goes, if'n it's a choice between Doug's and mail order, I'm going mail order every single time. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 01:07:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29581; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23533 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21456 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:23:54 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: From MC ONLINE Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bdc1bb$23c4ff40$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19980806180023.SGWA729@[166.41.242.141]> Importance: Normal BTW, isn't all art pop art? IMNSHO, anyway. Nothing else means much except to a very small bunch of people. The beauty in everyday objects seems to be lost. I bet these same people don't think much of Frank Lloyd Wright, either... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 01:07:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29586; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23536 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21459 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:23:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: TLR problems Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:23:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdc1bb$28cfe400$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Is there really all that much to changing the plugs? Isn't the front one easy? Oh, wait, I see you have the TLR.... Never mind:) Where on Richie Highway is this place? Any decent amount of accessories in stock? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 08:28:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02277; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27997 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26779 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14206 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:45:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: TLR problems Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:45:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sean, I can help you transport it to the dealer but the earliest I can be available is Tuesday the 11th. Glenn > Im in Arnold, md, right outside annapolis. if someone is volunteering to > help > move it to the dealer for me, I would greatly appreciate it. The next > time I > could do it is gonna be next tuesday. I need it transported to Cycle World > in > Brooklyn Park near baltimore on Ritchie Hwy. They are great at getting > things > in and out in one day. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 08:49:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02509; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28162 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27039 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808071207.IAA27039@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADD87280140; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:06:48 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 07:58:07 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: subscribe In-Reply-To: <35a54929.35c9ad30@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:18 AM 8/6/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Just so you all know and don't bother flaming anymore ..... I told my friend >to subscribe to this list using the "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" address because I >don't have a clue where else to tell him to email. So sue me. > >Marcy Here's a handy copy to be saved- DC-CYCLES: DESCRIPTION: D.C. Area bikers list - various topics DIGEST AVAILABLE? No ADMIN ADDRESS: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX TO SUBSCRIBE: Processed by a human - INCLUDE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS! LIST OWNER: harry@XXXXXX WWW URL: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 08:50:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02514; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28161 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27040 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808071207.IAA27040@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADD57280140; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:06:48 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:00:04 -0400 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Call me the poster boy for being careful on a new bike In-Reply-To: <000001bdc145$4c5b54c0$2280e2cf@ghowell> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 AM 8/6/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >I thought about going to the hobby store in Waldorf for the CA glue. Except >for one thing. They are even less helpful than ACP. You mean "Slug's" Hobbies? Well, just look behind the counter for CA glue labeled "thick & slow". The accelerator should be right next to it. With any luck, you won't have to disturb them very often! "Excuse me sir, may I be allowed to give you money for the merchandise you're selling?" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 08:50:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02519; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28163 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27044 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808071207.IAA27044@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADDA7280140; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:06:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:10:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: glueing plastic In-Reply-To: <196e86a1.35c9f262@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:13 PM 8/6/98 -0400, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey all!! I just got my Shadow back from the dealer and notcied that the left >side battery cover panel is cracked. They won't take responsibility for it >because the bike was towed there. It's minor, so I'm not gonna push it. I had >noticed a thread on glues, but didn't give it any thought til now (I JUST got >the bike back!). I was thinking of putting a piece of material behind the >crack and glueing it. Any tips or recommendations? I recommend getting the ThreeBond Glue Kit, about $30. Has everything you need (except paint, of course) to make fine repairs. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 10:44:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03743; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01680 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw2.att.com [192.128.52.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29794 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caig2.att.att.com by cagw2.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Aug 7 09:58 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA14075 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC1EA.6B224D00@XXXXXX>; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Maps & Such Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:01:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to ask everyone/someone what maps they use when planning ride routes etc. (Other than electronic) ADC maps? I'm on a ride and inevitably someone always whips out a map & I think to myself, "Gee, are these rural roads really all listed on their maps?" Generally, I am too lazy to read a map because after working for the cable company 2 years ago, I am still "map shy". I think I'm going to have to start because you're not always riding with somebody else. Thanks. John Carver VFR800 GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 10:44:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03756; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01690 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw2.att.com [192.128.52.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29798 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caig2.att.att.com by cagw2.att.com (AT&T/UPAS) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Aug 7 09:58 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA14091 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC1EA.6E1D3D80@XXXXXX>; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Plugs & Such Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:02:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy! Would someone also recommend a good emergency tire repair kit. Are the kinds you find at Trak for radial tires adequate enough? I also read on the VFR list that it takes 5 CO2 cartridges to fill a MC tire. I can't think of a more portable way to go though. Thanks. John Carver VFR800 GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 11:21:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04399; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03960 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00830 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 195; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35CB11B3.29C07631@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:39:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: glueing plastic References: <199808071207.IAA27044@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > I recommend getting the ThreeBond Glue Kit, about $30. Has everything you > need (except paint, of course) to make fine repairs. > So where can you buy any "ThreeBond" product on this planet anyway? I've been looking for a while for some "ThreeBond No.1216 Sealer" recommended by my Clymer's manual, and supposedly found through Suzuki dealers. I've been to two different dealers, and gotten funny looks both times. Of course, I'm getting used to funny looks, I shop at Radio Shack. :-) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 11:40:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04578; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04947 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01470 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Back in the saddle again! Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:04:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Picked up my bike this morning... new footpeg, shifter, and clutch lever installed and in fine working condition. Just rode it a few miles back home, and everything felt okay. Did feel a little strange riding, partly because of my crash, and partly because I haven't ridden all week! :-) There was a red GPZ parked outside when I got there... joked with John (service guy) that I didn't know he was going to paint mine red! Very nice looking, but I think I like the black better. Anyhow, the owner wants to switch to aftermarket pipes, so John is going to ask him if he wants to sell his stock ones. That would work out well... the pipes (and the whole bike) looked spotless. It had about 6K miles on it, and had been garaged. So, I'd save $300 or so... and maybe wind up with $$ in my pocket, or at least have my deductible covered. Anyhow, thanks for all the advice and support this week... it really was a great help to me. Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 12:39:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05590; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06347 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA04303 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980807155526.DPXJ13385@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:55:26 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: glueing plastic Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdc21b$ca1dd460$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <35CB11B3.29C07631@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The dreaded Coleman has (or had) the whole kit. yes, yes I know. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. Dale Horstman asked: Chris Norloff wrote: > I recommend getting the ThreeBond Glue Kit, about $30. Has everything you > need (except paint, of course) to make fine repairs. > So where can you buy any "ThreeBond" product on this planet anyway? I've been looking for a while for some "ThreeBond No.1216 Sealer" recommended by my Clymer's manual, and supposedly found through Suzuki dealers. I've been to two different dealers, and gotten funny looks both times. Of course, I'm getting used to funny looks, I shop at Radio Shack. :-) Dale From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 12:50:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05893; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06579 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04173 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA28042; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:07:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980807160735.WIHN729@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:07:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Priority: High To: dc-cycles CC: linda tanner , sbeck@XXXXXX, rdt@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Subject: POCONO RACES --- Please Read X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980807160735.WIHN729@[166.41.242.141]> This is the ONLY other message I'm putting out on this. I cc'd some because you showed some interest the last time I brought it up. The tickets for the weekend are $35+$4 for handling. They are $45 at the gate ($6 more). The price includes paddock pass, camping and a loop around the trak on your bike. Food and beer are YOUR problem. We have until Aug. 24 to get the discounted price. Call 1.800.939.9372 to order. Now, the plan. Linda T. is going up Friday afternoon/evening and leaving Sunday afternoon/evening. We figured that with good traffic conditions, it is about 4.5 hours one way. I'll probably ride up with her. I'd be willing to leave Monday, but I don't want to burn Friday for vacation. Therefore, I'd leave with Linda, but may return either Sunday Evening or Monday (depending on who goes/wants to do what). Last call people. I'm not really trying to organize a ride here. I was just posting so that we could hook up there and depending on plans ride together. Todd W-703.341.4470 Steve Beck Wrote: >I've been giving some thought to attending this event again and also would >prefer to head up on Friday. Any chance you could stay one extra day and >come back on Monday? The races continue through late Sunday, so I have >always stayed Sunday night and headed home on Monday. > >Steve Roy Turner Wrote: >I may be interested. My original plan was to take my Camaro in order that >my fiancee could come along. I was planning to drive up on Saturday, find >a hotel, and return Sunday evening. > >However, my buddy Kevin wants to ride his VFR 750 up. If I can convince my >fiancee to let me go alone I may be interested in riding my bike. > >Roy D. Turner, Esq. Jon S. wrote >I'm pretty sure that I will be going again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 13:03:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06090; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06730 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04613 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA10998 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:22:47 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:22:47 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Maps & Such Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:21:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Street Atlas 5.0 is the best - but you need a laptop on your scooter do do any good) For the paper variety: ADC makes VERY nice maps - unfortunately you need hard luggage to carry enough of them to cover a good ride (one book per county) DeLorme's Atlas and Gazzetteers are very good - topo data and most roads - less bulky at one state per book (but not all states covered) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 13:05:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06134; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06734 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04621 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA11076 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:23:00 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:23:00 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Tire Plugs & Such Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:17:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Howdy! Would someone also recommend a good emergency tire repair kit. BMW makes a nice kit - Art at Rider's and Coleman sell M/C kits too. >Are the kinds you find at Trak for radial tires adequate enough?\ Personally, I wouldn't trust a car repair kit on a bike - soke are OK, but others aren't. >I also read on the VFR list that it takes 5 CO2 cartridges to fill a MC tire. A can of fix-a-flat will inflate you enough to get to a place to repair/replace the tire - but they do tend to be messy when the tire is removed from the rim. If you use this stuff, be sure and tell the guy who changes the tire that it's full of crap - nowhere near as bad when you're expecting it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 14:36:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07605; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08098 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07121 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIMFa04160 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2ee3d82e.35cb3eec@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:52:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 No offense to the owner of the bike but I saw that machine.........is it really worth that much? $3000 sounds a little steep for a bike that looks like a moped. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 15:14:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08111; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08462 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08270 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLRBa26052 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3acc3458.35cb481a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:31:50 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TLR problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-07 01:17:11 EDT, you write: << Is there really all that much to changing the plugs? Isn't the front one easy? Oh, wait, I see you have the TLR.... Never mind:) >> The front plug is a BITCH!!! And this is coming from a TLs owner who doesnt have to mess with body work. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 15:45:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08723; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08835 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09152 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA04165; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: <35CB4F56.2CC56247@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:02:46 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? References: <2ee3d82e.35cb3eec@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack wrote: > > No offense to the owner of the bike but I saw that machine.........is it > really worth that much? $3000 sounds a little steep for a bike that looks > like a moped. If I didn't need a street bike, I'd get it. That 125 is a beautiful machine - maybe in a couple more years. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 17:58:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10488; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11706 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13554 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808072116.RAA13554@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AE5A33C014A; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:15:06 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:43:52 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Maps & Such In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:21 AM 8/7/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >ADC makes VERY nice maps - unfortunately you need hard luggage to carry >enough of them to cover a good ride (one book per county) ADC's 50-mile radius map of DC is pretty good. It takes a lot of folding to get it into a tank bag pocket, though. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 17:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10498; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11704 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13552 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808072116.RAA13552@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AE5733C014A; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:15:03 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:41:46 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: glueing plastic Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35CB11B3.29C07631@tidalwave.net> References: <199808071207.IAA27044@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:39 AM 8/7/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> I recommend getting the ThreeBond Glue Kit, about $30. Has everything you >> need (except paint, of course) to make fine repairs. >> > >So where can you buy any "ThreeBond" product on this planet anyway? I've bought it mail order (AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!) and at Coleman's Falls Church (AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 18:19:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10614; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12360 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14085 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGHNa07259 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2ee4ab0a.35cb7374@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:36:50 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone wanna race? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-07 15:03:16 EDT, you write: << If I didn't need a street bike, I'd get it. That 125 is a beautiful machine - maybe in a couple more years. >> No wonder, this is coming from a guy with Ninja 250 in his .sig. LOL j/k Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 18:55:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11063; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13437 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14787 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA20729; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:12:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-10.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.74) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020578; Fri Aug 7 17:11:23 1998 Message-ID: <35CB611F.36D6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:18:39 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody heading to Frederick HD/Buell's Open house? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, one day and a new rear tire later, Anybody going up to Frederick HD/Buells Open house tomorrow? -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 19:52:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11457; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13822 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16211 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14596 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-3.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.44]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA07479; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:10:57 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001bdc258$8dad5720$2c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:55:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This might be tardy, but -- The Motorcycle Shop (College Park 301 474 2228) quoted me $249 for a Shoei 800 (no specific color) a few days ago. Bill Swanson / DC EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 19:52:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11467; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13819 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16204 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-3.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.44]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA07483; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:10:59 -0400 Message-ID: <00c101bdc258$8efd08a0$2c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Anita Lauro" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Back in the saddle again! Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:09:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nice. Sounds like an applaudable turnaround from service and firm decisions on your part. Bill S. -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro >Picked up my bike this morning... new footpeg, shifter, and clutch lever >installed and in fine working condition. Just rode it a few miles back >home, and everything felt okay. Did feel a little strange riding, >partly because of my crash, and partly because I haven't ridden all >week! :-) > . . .. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 7 20:11:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11568; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13939 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16692 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr17-dialup4.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXC00ELNEJ323@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:25:55 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: POCONO RACES --- Please Read To: dc-cycles , Sean Petr , Scott , ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX Message-id: <00b501bdc273$e0bdbac0$994837a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 This is the situation on Pocono as of now. The definites who I know of and that I have talked to are: Sean P. Scott R. Urselina V. We have talked and agreed that we are leaving Sat. morning/afternoon and coming back Sun. afternoon/evening. Anyone else that wants to join our departure times is certainly welcome. Looks like Linda and Todd are staying 3 days. Either Fri. - Sun. or Sat. - Mon. ? We haven't found a place to stay yet(anyone have any ideas?) nor have we figured out a meeting place. It would be nice if we all could find a place together. Cut the costs so we can spend more on goodies(beer?) Well, I don't know a "back way" up there, so if no one has a suggestion, then we're gonna have to slab it up. That way we don't get lost. On the topic of meeting places, how about if everyone met at my place? I probably live the farthest north and it's really easy to find. About 20 min. south of Baltimore, right off 95 north and Rt. 175. If anyone else has ideas/updates, let me know. Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Cc: linda tanner ; sbeck@XXXXXX ; rdt@XXXXXX ; dawn.jon@XXXXXX Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 9:08 AM Subject: POCONO RACES --- Please Read > >This is the ONLY other message I'm putting out on this. I cc'd some >because you showed some interest the last time I brought it up. > >The tickets for the weekend are $35+$4 for handling. They are $45 >at the gate ($6 more). The price includes paddock pass, camping and >a loop around the trak on your bike. Food and beer are YOUR problem. >We have until Aug. 24 to get the discounted price. > > Call 1.800.939.9372 to order. > >Now, the plan. Linda T. is going up Friday afternoon/evening and leaving >Sunday afternoon/evening. We figured that with good traffic conditions, >it is about 4.5 hours one way. I'll probably ride up with her. > >I'd be willing to leave Monday, but I don't want to burn Friday for >vacation. Therefore, I'd leave with Linda, but may return either Sunday >Evening or Monday (depending on who goes/wants to do what). > >Last call people. I'm not really trying to organize a ride here. >I was just posting so that we could hook up there and depending on >plans ride together. > >Todd >W-703.341.4470 > > > >Steve Beck Wrote: >>I've been giving some thought to attending this event again and also would >>prefer to head up on Friday. Any chance you could stay one extra day and >>come back on Monday? The races continue through late Sunday, so I have >>always stayed Sunday night and headed home on Monday. >> >>Steve > >Roy Turner Wrote: >>I may be interested. My original plan was to take my Camaro in order that >>my fiancee could come along. I was planning to drive up on Saturday, find >>a hotel, and return Sunday evening. >> >>However, my buddy Kevin wants to ride his VFR 750 up. If I can convince my >>fiancee to let me go alone I may be interested in riding my bike. >> >>Roy D. Turner, Esq. > >Jon S. wrote >>I'm pretty sure that I will be going again. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 00:56:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13429; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17512 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20483 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGRQa04229 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9a1a805f.35cbd063@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:13:22 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Aaaagh, it's back!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Damn, and just when I thought it was gone for good. My Nighthawk is back!! My friend's parents wouldn't let him have the bike unless he moved out. He can't afford to move out and buy the bike, so I have the bike back! Bummer. So anyone that said they might be interested, well, it's still for sale! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "lost puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 01:52:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13761; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18066 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21134 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAECa11469; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35aa13ae.35cbdd8b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:09:30 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Aaaagh, it's back!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Hey, what did I tell you.. you cant get rid of that nighthawk. its a curse. The number to the place that buys em is 1-800-347-5334. They were gonna come look at mine last saturday, but I had to be to work at the time they were coming, so Ive still got mine. give em a call, they might hook you up. Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 01:57:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13771; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18081 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21192 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:15:16 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZGPa12042 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78265463.35cbdec5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:14:44 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Kiernan Racing supplies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Does anyone have their number? I did but lost it. I sent them a check for a tire over a week ago, they said it would take 4days at most. Im getting a little pissed. Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 06:56:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15005; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19260 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23860 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.64] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA01998; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 06:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001401bdc2b4$c20bd8a0$4073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Kiernan Racing supplies Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:10:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ >Does anyone have their number? I did but lost it. I sent them a check for a >tire over a week ago, they said it would take 4days at most. Im getting a >little pissed. > >Sean... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 10:38:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16462; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20090 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25117 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05496; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Ken cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anybody heading to Frederick HD/Buell's Open house? In-Reply-To: <35CB611F.36D6@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is this the HD dealer on 355 just south of Fredric? I may zip up there... as I am only 10 minutes away. Those harley guys get all bent out of shape when I take my 600f3 into their parking lot. Guess they are afraid my bike might catch the infamouse HD mechanical problems. It is nice of them to worry about me like that. :) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 11:35:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16702; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20281 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25499 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA13451; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: '96 VFR 750 For Sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII With much regret, at this time I find that I need the money more than I need the VFR, so... It's in beautiful condition - never wrecked - only a few tiny scratches from a VERY soft laydown of the forgotten disk lock type. It has 10K miles, and received a tune up and oil change at 8K over at Free State Cycles in Bladensburg. It has Helibars installed, and I have the stock bars and the rear seat cowl. I'll throw in the aforementioned disk lock along with my Barb Wire (the thicker one), and also my custom theft deterrent, a ratty old cover that no self-respecting thief would ever look under. :-) Only minus - it does need new tires. The rear one's picked up a nail, though it's losing air very slowly (about 5 psi over a week). The VFR is located in Laurel, Maryland, and the asking price is only $6,200. E-mail or phone (301) 776-9522. Thanks. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 8 23:39:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20245; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23797 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02782 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA19811; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:52:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:49:20 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: From MC ONLINE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000d01bdc1bb$23c4ff40$2e80e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > BTW, isn't all art pop art? IMNSHO, anyway. Nothing else means much except > to a very small bunch of people. The beauty in everyday objects seems to be > lost. I bet these same people don't think much of Frank Lloyd Wright, > either... I like the quote from Type O Negatives,'October Rust': Non-functional art is tolerated vandalism. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 00:03:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20698; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23880 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03005 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19890; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:18:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:12:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Finally! The VFR is mein To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036554@bdanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, David Cross wrote: > > the whole front > > end is crooked to the right, I'd say the front wheel is shifted > > about 1-2 inches to the right when the handlebars are "straight." > That doesn't sound good. Are the fork tubes twisted or bent? > What did the owner say about it? How did it happen? My question is,what in the hell is he doing screwing around on the thing?If the front isn't straight the last thing I'd do is run it up to 75 or take it through some curves. The front end plus the frozen chain links makes me wonder how well the previous owner took care of the bike.I'd definitely have it checked over before I did any serious riding. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 14:05:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25426; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29342 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08793 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA18514; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.110.24]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980809172241.YVVO876@XXXXXX>; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:22:41 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "CBR List" , "HSTA" Subject: Source for Stiffening Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:22:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdc3ba$44368900$9c6f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL NEED IT. This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: 1) CB radio 2) mini-disk player 3) GPS 4) radar detector (shhhh) 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 14:28:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25592; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29381 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09078 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.mindspring.com (user-38lcnje.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.94.110]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09848; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808091747.NAA09848@camel8.mindspring.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Mr Pou" Organization: yea, right To: "Dc-Cycles" , "CBR List" , "HSTA" , cbr@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:40:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [cbr] Source for Stiffening Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000c01bdc3ba$44368900$9c6f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Linda Tanner wrote: > And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make > my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm > looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to > give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. Remember those little sleds we used to ride as kids, except they weren't sleds? They were thin sheets of tough plastic that you unrolled, sat or laid down on, and slid down the hill. If they still make them, I'd think they wouldn't cost too much, and should be easy to cut with a Stanley knife or tin snips. > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) > War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. > > Bill Jennings 98 GL1500A - "The Bus" "MINE'S BIGGER!!" 97 CBR1100XX - "The Flying Couch" wjennings@XXXXXX http://www.mindspring.com/~wjennings/Index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 17:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26663; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00560 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11056 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA03568 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vna-va19-34.ix.netcom.com(207.223.180.162) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003558; Sun Aug 9 16:12:59 1998 Message-ID: <35CE3ACD.1E5F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:11:57 -0700 Organization: NETCOM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Say it ain't so! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I'm praying it wasn't somebody from this list who crashed and burned a beautiful Ducati this weekend right west of Berkeley Springs, WV. I was up at my cabin, where I spend most weekends, enjoying the "mountain" roads. Heading home around 4:30 PM, round a corner, and hard on the brakes because Rt. 9 traffic is completely stopped. We wait forever. Eventually the traffic begins moving one lane at a time, alternating. Oh, no - one of my fears is realized. A group of sportbikes, riding those beautiful twisties. I am heading up the hill, but can discern that the group of bikes appeared to be heading downhill, into a left-hand 30 MPH curve. By the time we pass the accident scene, the ambulance is gone (if there was one - I don't know). But there's the crumpled up remains of a Ducati on the shoulder. Yikes! Looks like he drifted wide in the left-hander, locked a wheel mid-corner, went down hard, and then proceeded off the pavement into the soft gravel shoulder, the guardrail, and maybe into the trees. Oh, man, I hope the rider lived. The bike definitely has passed on to another life. That scene was a not-subtle reminder that motorcycle riding is a beautiful but dangerous sport. I don't know if the rider on the Ducati was going too fast, if he panicked and grabbed too much brake, if his tire was defective, or any number of other things that can go wrong mid-corner. But in the paraphrased words of Peter Egan, if you really love this sport, please ride in a manner that will allow you to continue doing so for a long, long time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 20:52:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27534; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01022 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2y-ext.prodigy.com (known pimaia2y-ext.prodigy.com [207.115.58.95]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12690 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime4.prodigy.com (mime4.prodigy.com [192.168.254.43]) by pimaia2y-ext.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA43440 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:49 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime4.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA13630 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:08:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199808100008.UAA13630@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae02dm02sc06 From: CDJV17A@XXXXXX (MR MIKE MUTH) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:08:08, -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Sportster Seat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -- [ From: Mike Muth * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- For Sale: One Harley Sportster Solo Saddle....low profile off a 96 Hugger...never been used. $50 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 9 22:34:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28178; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01906 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13550 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10030; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:48:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Linda Tanner cc: Dc-Cycles , CBR List , HSTA Subject: Re: Source for Stiffening In-Reply-To: <000c01bdc3ba$44368900$9c6f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wooo woo... how much does this bag cost? I am looking for some luggage! Ok the note of keeping its shape. Lexan, cheap and you can cut it with a lexan cisor (like $3 at a hobby store.) Another idea.. cardboard. Easy to find, replaceable, and can of course be cut with a cisor. If you have a ferret then you have seen a thing called an "Animal corral" in the ferret mags. It is made of the plastic you are looking for... basicaly it is the plastic you are seeking, is in one long strip that you clip either end together and make a big circle for your pets... it stands only a foot or two tall... so you wont have to trim much. I can't remember the price but I will get the info for ya. I will also look to see if I still have the number for that lexan place. (I.e. this message is only 50% of what you wanted, but all the wine from dinner is still bothering me so be happy.) -Frank p.s. though I was the only person in the area who used a mini-disk player when racing down the road. :) Finaly one person who wont ask... "What is that thing, some sort of radio?" n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make > my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm > looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to > give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not > finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as > it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL > NEED IT. > > This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but > stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've > found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when > using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. > > If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would > appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. > > MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will > probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: > 1) CB radio > 2) mini-disk player > 3) GPS > 4) radar detector (shhhh) > 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) > 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) > War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 08:02:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02185; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06279 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19052 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:21:20 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220136B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Anyone wanna Learn 'bout race bikes? Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:19:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Considering that it's a pure bred race bike of the same heritage as Doohans 500 NSR (that's only leasable for $1mil/year), and it cost $10,000 new... AND that the going price for an average bike of that varity is $3000~3500.. I'd say I'm probably going to make someone happy with their purchase. Maybe you need to look into what the bike is before you form an opinion (looks like a moped.. indeed, it sorta does.. like to see a moped run 150mph down a 3/4mile straight then take a corner that'd be marked on the street as a 25 at near 60mph) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- No offense to the owner of the bike but I saw that machine.........is it really worth that much? $3000 sounds a little steep for a bike that looks like a moped. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 08:07:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02220; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06284 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19088 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA00823; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:21:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:21:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Linda Tanner cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Source for Stiffening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Linda, Read Plastics (or any variety of other plastic shops) has Mylar (?), clear that you can buy in a variety of thicknesses and sheet sizes. The cost should be < $10.00 and you can pick the thickness that easiest to work with that is stiff enough. I some stuff that is about 1/3 as thick as the plastic in my OSI tank bag that is plenty stiff enough. It was thin enough to run through a sewing machine to put holes in it so that I could attach it to something else. > On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > > > And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make > > my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm > > looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to > > give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not > > finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as > > it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL > > NEED IT. > > > > This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but > > stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've > > found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when > > using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. > > > > If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would > > appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. > > > > MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will > > probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: > > 1) CB radio > > 2) mini-disk player > > 3) GPS > > 4) radar detector (shhhh) > > 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) > > 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) > > > > LindaT. > > 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) > > War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. > > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 08:25:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02294; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06329 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (known smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19189 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA15212; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:30:05 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA17316; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:33:00 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100021236448; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:43:23 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: , Subject: Source for Stiffening Message-ID: <5040100021236448000002L082*@MHS> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:43:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Linda, Read Plastics in Rockville would be my first stop when looking for plastics. Haven't been there for awhile but they used to carry anything you could think on in plastics. http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypResults.py?city=Silver+Spring&state=MD&zip=&slt=38.9906005859&sln=-77.0263977051&cs=5&stx=read+plastics&stp=a&Search+Now=Search+Now Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 08-10-98 07:36 AM --------------------------- linda.tanner@XXXXXX on 08-09-98 02:13:40 PM Please respond to linda.tanner@XXXXXX To: hsta@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Source for Stiffening And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL NEED IT. This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: 1) CB radio 2) mini-disk player 3) GPS 4) radar detector (shhhh) 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 08:53:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02492; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06449 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19449 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id FAA13018 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:10:49 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:10:49 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Source for Stiffening Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:12:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Linda, An excellent local source is Reed Plastics in Maryland (it may be spelled "Reid" - not sure. Anyhoo, if it is plastic, or can be used on or with plastic, they have it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 09:35:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02819; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06774 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19968 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29859 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036560@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kiernan Racing supplies Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:53:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Their number is 609-758-5793 . They can be found on the web at: http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ Do business with KRS at your own risk!!! The short version of the my personal dealings with them is as follows: I purchased a $1000 set of leathers from them. The first set was too large and they said no problem send them back, we'll send you a smaller size. They charged my credit card for the second set also and said we'll credit you for the first set when we receive it. Sounded reasonable to me. After a month went buy my card had not been credited, so I called and made sure they had gotten the returned leathers. They said yes and that my card will be credited soon. Well about 4 months later, and several calls to them (the owner is almost never there so dont even think about getting to talk to him), nothing! I had also been in contact with my credit card company who had been working on the dispute from their end. I contacted the Better Business Bureau who tried to contact the owner, but they were unsuccessful, and the most they could do was add a complaint to their files. Well I finally threatened KRS with action from their local county commerce department, the prosecutors office and my posting an email to the motorcycle racing list server describing my experience. That seemed to work and I got my $1000. During one of my conversations with KRS employees they told me that the business was in financial trouble and would I like the money in parts or merchandise!! Screw that I wanted my damn money! 4 months is a long time to be out $1000. Good Luck, Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 1:15 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Kiernan Racing supplies > > Does anyone have their number? I did but lost it. I sent them a check > for a > tire over a week ago, they said it would take 4days at most. Im > getting a > little pissed. > > Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 10:10:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03179; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07316 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20774 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:27:50 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMQZa04229 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35af0e80.35cef52c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:27:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone wanna Learn 'bout race bikes? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-10 08:12:30 EDT, you write: << Considering that it's a pure bred race bike of the same heritage as Doohans 500 NSR (that's only leasable for $1mil/year), and it cost $10,000 new... AND that the going price for an average bike of that varity is $3000~3500.. I'd say I'm probably going to make someone happy with their purchase. Maybe you need to look into what the bike is before you form an opinion (looks like a moped.. indeed, it sorta does.. like to see a moped run 150mph down a 3/4mile straight then take a corner that'd be marked on the street as a 25 at near 60mph) >> Ummm.....no need to get defensive! I just said that it sounds a little expensive considering what it looks like. I have no clue as to how it runs or whatever. Im happy with my bike thanks. And Brian you may remember me from Summit Point Track Day (guy with the TL), Id have a REALLY hard time fitting on your bike. I hope you sell it tho, because if it does what you say it does, indeed, someone will be very happy. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 10:14:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03209; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07346 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20840 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04348; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980810132953.ZWPI876@XXXXXX>; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:29:53 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: , "HSTA" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [cbr] [GEN] Source for Stiffening Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:29:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdc462$f3b97a60$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <8525665B.005FCECA.00@Notes.airtouch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Thanks to everyone who has made suggestions. Lots of good ideas that I'll be checking out. And I'm waiting for yours, RJ (and that wet T-shirt). Thanks again, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 12:44:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04860; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11528 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24864 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04086 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA14450; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA05611; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA05304; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:06 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA05298; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:05 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDC43D.66F65230@XXXXXX>; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:01:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Any deals on helmets in the area? Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:55:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 44 TEXT I was at Colemans in Falls Church last Wed (8-5) and they had a bunch of AGV helmets on sale. Regular price $229 - 249 on sale for $129 (solid color) to $149 (multicolored.) Found a lovely purple, black, and red helmet. Now, just need a new bike to go with it! :-) - - Ursulina (sinuses feeling better but would rather be in WV) >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike T [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 7:50 PM >To: 2xracers@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Any deals on helmets in the area? > >I went to the Cycle shop in Herndon and they told me they couldnt get any >more RF700s. Maybe just a ploy to get me to buy the RF800 (which I did). >With no graphics (just red) it ran $260. Please dont tell me if I got >ripped off. If I did, Id rather be dumb and happy :-) > >At 09:38 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >>While I don't think my helmet (with my head in it) hit the ground very >>hard, there seem to be a whole lot more scratches and nicks in it now >>than before. Part of that may be that I set the helmet down on the >>pavement wrong when I was in a panic over my bike. >> >>Anyhow, it's a Shoei RF200 and I'm thinking I might like a new RF700 >>or RF800 to replace it. Might even like one before the trip this >>weekend. Has anyone seen any "sale prices" on Shoei helmets at any >>local dealerships? Maybe a markdown or discontinued item? Probably >>just wishful thinking on my part! >> >>Thanks in advance! >>Anita >>'96 GPZ1100 >> > >______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > >The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows >where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 13:29:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05459; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12491 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26159 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z5v65-0005Y2-00; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:47:01 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4651@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:45:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know what you mean...last night I went riding with some friends & one of the guys with us took a corner too fast & got serious tank slappies going and almost lost the bike. He was only wearing a t-shirt. Thank god he managed to get the bike under control. The only thing I could think was, if he's going to ride like that, I'd at least wear a damn jacket!! - Jeannette > That scene was a not-subtle reminder that motorcycle riding is a > beautiful but dangerous sport. I don't know if the rider on the > Ducati > was going too fast, if he panicked and grabbed too much brake, if his > tire was defective, or any number of other things that can go wrong > mid-corner. But in the paraphrased words of Peter Egan, if you really > love this sport, please ride in a manner that will allow you to > continue > doing so for a long, long time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 13:45:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05729; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12758 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26592 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z5vLv-0007Np-00; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:03:23 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:02:28 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D903969@BADGE> From: "Harris, Carole" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Used Honda VTR 250 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:01:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have a 1989, white and teal, Honda VTR 250 for sale. It has 3,500 miles on it. It's in great condition and I'm asking $1200 for it. It's a great starter bike. If you're interested, please call me. I'm selling it b/c I bought a bigger bike. Thanks Carole Harris Estate Planning Paralegal Tucker, Flyer & Lewis, P.C. 1615 L Street, N.W., Suite 400 Washington, D.C. 20036-5612 Tel: 202-429-3736; Fax: 202-429-3231 Email:caharris@XXXXXX http://www.tuckerflyer.com This electronic mail transmission contains information from the law firm of Tucker, Flyer & Lewis, which may be privileged or confidential. The information contained herein is for the exclusive use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please notify us by telephone (202-452-8600) or by electronic mail. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 13:56:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05961; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12847 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26895 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ISXUa04521; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e23456.35cf2a37@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:13:26 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Aaaagh, it's back!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm asking like $900/OBO. It's a tough old bike. I really want to get it sold. I'm willing to ride it anywhere to show it off and/or deliver it (though I'd need a ride home). If you want all the info on the bike, just ask! Thanks! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "lost puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 15:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06872; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13544 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28733 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 270; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <35CF3A42.94A43962@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:21:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Say it ain't so! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4651@BADGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > The only thing I could think was, if he's going to ride like that, I'd > at least wear a damn jacket!! Anyone here trying to picture how silly a squid would look with shorts, flip-flops, gaily-painted helmet, and a thick, heavy leather jacket? Heh, heh, heh. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 15:10:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06936; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13866 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28953 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 307 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:27:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980810142744.00af7100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:27:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Agressive Driving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This tid bit was on rec.motorcycles news group, and I thought it interesting. Just an example of what could happen.... ============== In article <35d379cc.51849879@XXXXXX>, xyzorion4@XXXXXX (Larry Gamache) wrote: >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:12:59 +1200, "NZMSC" wrote: >>Have you ever thought what would happen if car drivers reacted to you when >>YOU make a mistake as you react to them when THEY make a mistake? They could >>open the car door on you; swerve into you to knock you off your bike;or just >>get up close, reach out of the window and grab your front brake... >>A motorcyclist, vulnerable as s/he is, is in no position to start >>hostilities. >>Allan Kirk >>New Zealand Motorcycle Safety Consultants >Kirk, you're such a goody-goody preacher. Why don't you start a >church? I think it's good advice. Back when I first got my driver's license (and had been riding dirt bikes for several years) I inadvertantly changed lanes and cut off a biker. He rode alongside cussing me out (my windows were down), and I expressed apologies. I don't know what his problem was, but evidently he decided that wasn't enough and pulled a flashlight and smashed the windshield. I've never reacted too well to provocation, so I pulled my .357 out and put a bullet into his engine and left him sitting there. When I ride, I'm careful and polite. I expect cagers to make mistakes, not see me, whatever, at all times. Haven't had any kind of incident like the above in all the years I've been riding. Regards, Tim =============== ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 15:44:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07302; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14313 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00195 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 314; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:01:57 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) Was in the rightmost of two left hand turn lanes last weekend, waiting for the lights to change, when these three guys pulled up - squidded out to the max. You know the type, dressed in the strictly mandated extensive motorcycle safety gear, consisting of sneakers, shorts, t-shirts, and $400 custom painted helmets. They were all riding indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's, and they pulled up next to me in the other left turn lane. No acknowledgment of my friendly little wave. They must have thought I was insane sweating in my fullface, leathers, gloves and jeans. Oh well. As the lights started to change, I thought about the road ahead. Wide, flat, divided highway, two lanes, no traffic, plenty of visibility. Ample opportunity for a throttle check....besides, I needed to check for that purported high speed wobble/weave, right? They were not paying attention when the lights changed, and I think I might have surprised them by leaning the Concours over so far in the intersection that I scraped footpegs and took off like a batouttahell. I wicked it up to 65-70 in the space of a few seconds, and waited for the onslaught. Squid #1 carefully threaded his way through the treacherous tight turn known as an intersection, and waited till his bike was perfectly upright before applying more than minimal throttle. I watched him draw closer in my vibration-free mirrors, before winding up the throttle a little bit and pulling away. Squid #2 took a little longer to wind up, and #1 moved over to let him pass. He shot past at a pretty good speed, and I actually had to downshift to keep up with him. I wonder what he was thinking when he glanced back over his shoulder, presumably to see how far behind he had left me, and see me only about a bikelength behind, on a *tour* bike no less! :) Anyway, the Concours is as smooth as glass at 120mph indicated, no wobbles, weaves, etc. etc. that I could tell. Squid #2 and I both sort of realized how silly we were being, and backed off at about the same time. They ended up behind me at the next light, and I hoped they got a good eyeful of my Iron Butt Association license plate frame before we parted ways, and I headed for home. Yes boys, I use this bike to do more than just ride-fast-in-a-straight-line in my local neighborhood. This time, they all returned my little wave. So anyway, I think I impressed some squids. Seems pretty stupid in retrospect, but hey, testosterone works in mysterious ways sometimes. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:07:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08009; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14506 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00697 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:23:46 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: 3-day trip..? did they survive WV Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:21:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm kinda curious to find out if everyone actually made it through the trip... or did super-squids Glen and Craig wad each others bikes doing mach 13 on a gravely backroad.. (ok, mach 11 for Geln on the V30 - smaller engine and all) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:49:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08958; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14885 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (known smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03044 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:33 -0400 Sender: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with SMTP id QAA07588; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980810160817.006a0784@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.149]) with SMTP; 10 Aug 1998 20:05:12 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:17 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Cc: DC Cycles List , COG In-Reply-To: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:01 PM 8/10/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) Dale, You are the master squid-baiter. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:50:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08983; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14904 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03122 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id NAA21486 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:08:15 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:08:15 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:09:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >So anyway, I think I impressed some squids. Seems pretty >stupid in retrospect, but hey, testosterone works in >mysterious ways sometimes. Good stuff, that - one of my favorite drugs (caffeine being the other) Ain't no substitute for cubic inches - I've surprised more than one young'un on my GSX 1100G - I guess they focus on the three-bag GiVi set and mature figure behind the bars and forget about the 1127cc of GSX-R based engine. Ya takes yer pleasure where ya can Michael (Grow up? Who, me?) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:51:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09001; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14909 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03129 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:09:03 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:06:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Now Dale.. I was expecting a real trooper story.. I actually call it Squid-Trolling now days.. always on the beltway/295/what have you.. Typically I'm running 70~80 as an average (hey, just attempting to keep up now days!), and every now and again, I'll come up on either a squid or a riceboy (some small car with loud exhause, tinted out windows and stickers all over the car.. you know the type.. they think they're fast too..) Anyway.. I'll pull up next to them and just kinda wick the throttle to get my bike to lurch forward a bit. Doing this a few times to see if they bite.. if they do, great.. I drop it 2 gears and leave em wondering what happened (usually slowing down so I can humiliate them again), if not.. I just kind motor on looking for someone else.. Unfortunatally, I become like said squid in performing these actions.. but it's fun after an agrivating day at the office and in dealing with my 90 min, 30 mile ride home.. Course, I DON'T advicate anything I say.. or do, for that matter... just don't use me as a positive example (thinking fondly of my 20foot black streek infront of John K's home) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 16:55:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09044; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14942 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03381 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA22742 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980810201117.DENI876@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:11:17 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bdc49b$0567b6e0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ok, 50 Hail Mary's and then you can do it again. Oops LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 10, 1998 3:02 PM To: DC Cycles List; COG Subject: Confessions of a squid-baiter Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 17:00:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09307; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15049 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03584 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 293; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35CF5563.5FA16083@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <3.0.1.32.19980810160817.006a0784@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > > At 03:01 PM 8/10/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: > >Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > > Dale, > You are the master squid-baiter. Harry, I've got to hand it to you... At least you didn't call me a jerkoff because I like whacking the throttle. It's just so much fun to do it hard and fast sometimes, I don't know what comes over me. :) Ahem, just re-read this, I'm talking about riding my motorcycle here. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 18:12:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10218; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15836 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06645 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:37 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdc4a5$a8d32620$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Too many rice boys around here. I'd quickly go through a tank of gas if I felt the need to dispatch all of them with the wrath they so mightily deserve. I'm saving myself for one of three cars: 1) Mustang Cobra 2) Camaro SS 3) Firebird Firehawk I see at least a half dozen of each each week, but they are always going in the opposite direction. Anything to wipe the smug, hardass look off of their faces. I don't care how quick you are. Until you drop off at least two wheels, get out of my way. Let's face it, there's a little squid in all of us. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 18:13:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10229; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15829 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06643 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc4a5$a80b4240$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4651@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 When out without the jacket (frequently these days. When the bank account rebounds a little bit, I'm thinking about the Kilimanjaro (sp)) I always take it much easier. Not that that's gonna amount to a whole lot, honestly. BTW, what causes tank slappers? Nasty one in my Wing if you let off the bars at over 45 mph. Loose head bearings? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 19:28:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10901; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16365 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08698 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.88] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA09002; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bdc4b0$310a78e0$5873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: 3-day trip..? did they survive WV Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 We made it! Lots of wetness unfortunately. Lots of FUN also. One bike had to be left behind, rider returned 2-up, details will follow I'm sure. Bruce >I'm kinda curious to find out if everyone actually made it through the >trip... or did super-squids Glen and Craig wad each others bikes doing >mach 13 on a gravely backroad.. (ok, mach 11 for Geln on the V30 - >smaller engine and all) > >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 19:37:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10985; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16454 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08821 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22931; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: David Cross cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kiernan Racing supplies In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A26036560@bdanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hope you didn't grow a lot of interest on that $1000! (Normaly the credit company will not if you tell them right away...) Four months of interest on $1000 is a bit of change... at least $50 at 15% interest. (I think... I have to find that calculator some day.) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, David Cross wrote: > Their number is 609-758-5793 . They can be found on the web at: > http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ > > Do business with KRS at your own risk!!! > > The short version of the my personal dealings with them is as follows: > > I purchased a $1000 set of leathers from them. The first set was too > large and they said no problem send them back, we'll send you a smaller > size. They charged my credit card for the second set also and said > we'll credit you for the first set when we receive it. Sounded > reasonable to me. After a month went buy my card had not been credited, > so I called and made sure they had gotten the returned leathers. They > said yes and that my card will be credited soon. Well about 4 months > later, and several calls to them (the owner is almost never there so > dont even think about getting to talk to him), nothing! I had also been > in contact with my credit card company who had been working on the > dispute from their end. I contacted the Better Business Bureau who > tried to contact the owner, but they were unsuccessful, and the most > they could do was add a complaint to their files. Well I finally > threatened KRS with action from their local county commerce department, > the prosecutors office and my posting an email to the motorcycle racing > list server describing my experience. That seemed to work and I got my > $1000. During one of my conversations with KRS employees they told me > that the business was in financial trouble and would I like the money in > parts or merchandise!! Screw that I wanted my damn money! 4 months is > a long time to be out $1000. > > Good Luck, > > Dave Cross > WERA & CCS #416am > --------------------------- > Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles > (703) 818 8890 > http://www.fastlanecycles.com > --------------------------- > 90 FZR400 (race) > 94 VFR750 (street) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 1:15 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Kiernan Racing supplies > > > > Does anyone have their number? I did but lost it. I sent them a check > > for a > > tire over a week ago, they said it would take 4days at most. Im > > getting a > > little pissed. > > > > Sean... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 19:49:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11031; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16632 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09070 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24142; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Dale Horstman cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: <35CF3A42.94A43962@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well going south on 270 this eavening, just after one weeks worth of rain in 10 minutes, I saw just that... well almost. Cotton shorts (looked like the remnence of a sweat pants.), sneekers, helmet... and a lether jacket. Hmmm... I always felt a long sleve shirt and shorts looked strange. I would have died if he had on flip-flops! I guess he is a squid in redemption. -Frank p.s. Overall, even with the jacket.. he had too many squid points for driving too fast and weaving in traffic during the rain. n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > The only thing I could think was, if he's going to ride like that, I'd > > at least wear a damn jacket!! > > Anyone here trying to picture how silly a squid would look > with shorts, flip-flops, gaily-painted helmet, and a thick, > heavy leather jacket? Heh, heh, heh. > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 19:53:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11050; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16653 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09110 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id QAA17871 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:17 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:17 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:12:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I'm saving myself for one of three cars: >1) Mustang Cobra >2) Camaro SS >3) Firebird Firehawk There's a (real) 427 Shelby AC Cobra prowling around Sterling. :-) Haven't been able to get a rise out of him, though :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:02:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11087; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16673 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09236 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24940; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... On last Thursday, the 6th, I was riding 295 north... just south of the 195(?) intersection I noticed a guy in fatigues (sp) on the right hand side of the road. (On bike that is.) I stopped as soon as I could on the left side of the road to see if he was having problems and if I could help. Traffic was too harsh for me to zip to the other side of the road, so I wend up an exit, after sitting and watching him for a couple of minutes, circled back around... when I got to the place again he was gone. So sorry I didn't get there faster, and glad to see you made it out okay. Heck the person may not even be on this list. :( -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Now Dale.. I was expecting a real trooper story.. I actually call it > Squid-Trolling now days.. always on the beltway/295/what have you.. > Typically I'm running 70~80 as an average (hey, just attempting to keep > up now days!), and every now and again, I'll come up on either a squid > or a riceboy (some small car with loud exhause, tinted out windows and > stickers all over the car.. you know the type.. they think they're fast > too..) Anyway.. I'll pull up next to them and just kinda wick the > throttle to get my bike to lurch forward a bit. Doing this a few times > to see if they bite.. if they do, great.. I drop it 2 gears and leave em > wondering what happened (usually slowing down so I can humiliate them > again), if not.. I just kind motor on looking for someone else.. > > Unfortunatally, I become like said squid in performing these actions.. > but it's fun after an agrivating day at the office and in dealing with > my 90 min, 30 mile ride home.. > > Course, I DON'T advicate anything I say.. or do, for that matter... just > don't use me as a positive example (thinking fondly of my 20foot black > streek infront of John K's home) > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:06:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11111; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16692 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09305 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25259; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: George Howell cc: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter In-Reply-To: <000201bdc4a5$a8d32620$2b80e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I felt such a need too... ahhhhhh to blow away a "big 'ol car!" I too found them to be running the other way in fear of my superior sports machine... so I found where they hang out. Rt. 2 in Glen Burnie!!! You cant swing a stick without hitting five or six Cobras! I took one off the line, and decided to slow down before the trooper up ahead totaly realized what was going on. Took me some time to bate one into racing... most are too smart to hand their bravado over so fast. Hehehe but it was soooo fun, and soooo bad at the same time. ;) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > Too many rice boys around here. I'd quickly go through a tank of gas if I > felt the need to dispatch all of them with the wrath they so mightily > deserve. > > I'm saving myself for one of three cars: > > 1) Mustang Cobra > 2) Camaro SS > 3) Firebird Firehawk > > I see at least a half dozen of each each week, but they are always going in > the opposite direction. Anything to wipe the smug, hardass look off of their > faces. I don't care how quick you are. Until you drop off at least two > wheels, get out of my way. > > Let's face it, there's a little squid in all of us. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:10:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11134; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16733 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09407 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr42-dialup43.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXH00NKCYH4KB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:27:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:24:38 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <001301bdc4cf$32914ee0$6b4d37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so much better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" and that your "fullface, leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. If your so much better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? Confess my son and all is forgiven...... Jon S. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles List ; COG Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: Confessions of a squid-baiter >Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > >Was in the rightmost of two left hand turn lanes >last weekend, waiting for the lights to change, >when these three guys pulled up - squidded out >to the max. You know the type, dressed in the >strictly mandated extensive motorcycle safety gear, >consisting of sneakers, shorts, t-shirts, >and $400 custom painted helmets. They were all riding >indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's, and they pulled up >next to me in the other left turn lane. No acknowledgment >of my friendly little wave. They must have thought >I was insane sweating in my fullface, leathers, gloves >and jeans. Oh well. As the lights started to change, >I thought about the road ahead. Wide, flat, divided highway, >two lanes, no traffic, plenty of visibility. Ample opportunity >for a throttle check....besides, I needed to check for that >purported high speed wobble/weave, right? > >They were not paying attention when the lights changed, >and I think I might have surprised them by leaning the >Concours over so far in the intersection that I scraped >footpegs and took off like a batouttahell. I wicked it >up to 65-70 in the space of a few seconds, and waited for >the onslaught. > >Squid #1 carefully threaded his way through the treacherous >tight turn known as an intersection, and waited till his >bike was perfectly upright before applying more than minimal >throttle. I watched him draw closer in my vibration-free >mirrors, before winding up the throttle a little bit and >pulling away. > >Squid #2 took a little longer to wind up, and #1 moved over >to let him pass. He shot past at a pretty good speed, and >I actually had to downshift to keep up with him. I wonder >what he was thinking when he glanced back over his shoulder, >presumably to see how far behind he had left me, and see me >only about a bikelength behind, on a *tour* bike no less! :) > >Anyway, the Concours is as smooth as glass at 120mph indicated, >no wobbles, weaves, etc. etc. that I could tell. Squid #2 and >I both sort of realized how silly we were being, and backed >off at about the same time. They ended up behind me at the >next light, and I hoped they got a good eyeful of my Iron Butt >Association license plate frame before we parted ways, and I >headed for home. Yes boys, I use this bike to do more than >just ride-fast-in-a-straight-line in my local neighborhood. >This time, they all returned my little wave. > >So anyway, I think I impressed some squids. Seems pretty >stupid in retrospect, but hey, testosterone works in >mysterious ways sometimes. > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:22:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11206; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16823 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09612 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-86.s86.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.86]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03573; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CF849F.75680AB9@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:39:11 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <000201bdc4a5$a8d32620$2b80e2cf@ghowell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > I'm saving myself for one of three cars: > > 1) Mustang Cobra > 2) Camaro SS > 3) Firebird Firehawk > > I see at least a half dozen of each each week, The first two I see all the time, but I've only seen one true Firehawk conversion on the street...or has Pontiac picked up the name that the aftermarket folks used? Last I saw, A firehawk was a moderately spendy conversion to a standard Firebird T/A that bumped the hp up around 400 and had a cool hood and some other body effects... >Anything to wipe the smug, hardass look off of their > faces. I don't care how quick you are. Until you drop off at least two > wheels, get out of my way. > Ummm, actually, when I went out to MIR back in the spring, I saw a street vehicle turn out an 8.65 @ 143mph 1/4 mile run. I'm sure he's far from street legal, but it did have a tag on it, and talking to some folks, he drove it to the track and drives it around regularly!! Fastest bike I saw that night was in the mid 10's!! > Let's face it, there's a little squid in all of us. Some of us more than others on occasion (of course, "I" don't "ever" do that sort of thing *chuckle*) _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:27:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11226; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16848 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09685 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WVPWa04229 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:14:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 On my own long trip this weekend (NY, NJ, PA, DE), I saw many squids. Kinda funny to humiliate them on my bike. They see my Shadow and think it's just another slow cruiser. Ha! Saw a guy in NYC with a mid-80s Toyota Corolla all decked out. Woulda been fun to embarass him, but I was totally lost and caught in rush hour traffic. I did leave a couple other riceboys in Jersey, but saw very few biker squids heading my way. In fact, I saw very few bikes for the amount of riding I did. Bummer. Anyway, it is fun to be squidly once in a while! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "Lost Puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:30:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11254; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16898 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09752 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-86.s86.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.86]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24923; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35CF85DD.9C13D2E5@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:44:29 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Say it ain't so! References: <000101bdc4a5$a80b4240$2b80e2cf@ghowell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > BTW, what causes tank slappers? Nasty one in my Wing if you let off the bars > at over 45 mph. Loose head bearings? Lots of things can cause them, loose head bearings, tweaked forks (even minutely), out of round front rim or misaligned wheel (including rear), unbalanced tire..etc. Normally the things listed above would have to be pretty drastic to cause full on slappers on such a stable bike as the wing. On sport bikes it will show up faster due to the more radical steering geometry and less weight holding the front still. On the CBR900RR and 96+ GSXR's the steering geometry is so steep that just adding race compound tires can cause slappers to come on under acceleration... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:54:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11401; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17130 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10228 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:09:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc4bc$557700c0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <35CF849F.75680AB9@geocities.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Don't know if Pontiac has bumped up the production of Firehawks, but I saw two on Sunday, and one on Friday and Saturday (not sure if same cars or not) As far as 8.5 second 'street legal' cars... Sorry. Read Hot Rod for 9 years. They might have tags, but they ain't for real. And what are their 1/4 times like when they run out of laughing gas? At the very least, I'll pass 'em while they're in the shop getting a ring job (or new engine, like the Viper that 'beat' the GSXR a few years back) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 20:56:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11417; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17148 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10248 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:11:49 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc4bc$97c1d400$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <35CF85DD.9C13D2E5@geocities.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'll check head bearings first (since they are easiest) Front tire second. Any good way to check runout on rims? It's not drastic (or existant) until around 45 mph, and even at that speed, it's stable on recently (<6 month) paved roads. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Normally the things listed above would have to be pretty drastic to > cause full on slappers on such a stable bike as the wing. On sport bikes > it will show up faster due to the more radical steering geometry and > less weight holding the front still. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 21:07:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11513; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17240 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10427 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:25:23 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJKGa02268 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:19:57 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <5bbe7047.35cf8e2f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:19:57 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Air Show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Just FYI, there's an Air Show at Frederick Municipal Airport the weekend of the 22ns and 23rd. If anyone's interested in going, but don't know the way, I'd be willing to either give directions. Or, if enough people are interested, we could meet and ride up in a group. The tickets for the air show are like $8 at the gate, and $2 off if bought ahead of time. I'll buy tickets for those definitely interested. I'll get all the info I can (I used to work at the airport, so I can get the inside scoop). Oh, and the show runs from 7AM-7PM both Sat. and Sun. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "Lost Puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 21:17:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11554; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17327 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10593 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01952; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808110035.UAA01952@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Say it ain't so! To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000101bdc4a5$a80b4240$2b80e2cf@ghowell> from "George Howell" at Aug 10, 98 05:27:20 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > When out without the jacket (frequently these days. When the bank account > rebounds a little bit, I'm thinking about the Kilimanjaro (sp)) I always > take it much easier. Not that that's gonna amount to a whole lot, honestly. > > BTW, what causes tank slappers? Nasty one in my Wing if you let off the bars > at over 45 mph. Loose head bearings? > can be. Also check: - both tires - if you have some load on back of bike ( especially behind rear axle...) > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 21:17:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11562; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17342 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10610 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WACSa11436 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:34:12 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:34:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-10 20:32:18 EDT, you write: << The first two I see all the time, but I've only seen one true Firehawk conversion on the street...or has Pontiac picked up the name that the aftermarket folks used? Last I saw, A firehawk was a moderately spendy conversion to a standard Firebird T/A that bumped the hp up around 400 and had a cool hood and some other body effects... >> Yes Pontiac makes the Firehawk now. Its a Trans Am thats shipped out to an aftermarket company and they do the rest. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 22:19:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11889; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18700 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11686 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA04067; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CFCB3D.5A23@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:40:29 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: Did they survive WV ? (Long] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" Subject: 3-day trip..? did they survive WV > I'm kinda curious to find out if everyone actually made it through the > trip... or did super-squids Glen and Craig wad each others bikes doing > mach 13 on a gravely backroad.. (ok, mach 11 for Geln on the V30 - > smaller engine and all) Hey DC Gang, Well, we all made it back in one piece and Brian will be happy to know that those mofo-squids Glen and Craig failed to wad their bikes ;) I, however, pulled a pretty dumb 'ditch' run and scraped up the ole' Interceptor, giving myself a few bruises in the process. No excuses, and as I said to the group I feel more embarrassed than anything else... ...Went in way too hot on an easy turn as we began our HSTA-escorted ride in the WVA mountains outside of Princeton/Bluefield. The bike wiggled (according to my eyewitnesses) as I tried to brake - not enough - down in the ditch, bike and I both tumbling. Got the wind knocked right out of me, and after checking to see if my neck and all metacarpals (and tarsals) were operating normally, told Bruce Norton to put away that damned cell phone and then told Steve Beck to pull me up outta there (!). What I did not want to do was to spoil everyone else's ride, so WVA denizen and group leader Bill Nabors (900cc Triumph Speed Triple) led the group to where they were going and then returned with a trailer to bring my bike to Bluefield WVA. It could have been a helluva lot worse for me since I basically walked away from a 60+ mph crash. How do I spell grateful? "H-E-I-N / G-E-R-I-C-K-E" (Danke!) Seriously, my leathers are now nicely broken in with WVA mud (hated that sheen anyway ;) The fairly new Shoei RF700 has a few deep scratches. Bike has a leak in at least the upper radiator (easy spot weld fix) and maybe the lower also... Tenzo driving lights are toast, clutch case cover has serious deep scratches but engine integrity was not compromised - started right up! Fairing is shot, but then again it was in poor shape to begin with. Happily, I have a replacement ready to be repainted. Gas tank now has a scar (adds character!). Other than that, just a lot of mud and crud to clean up. I spent the rest of the day initially analyzing what went wrong and then drinking scotch and beer (purely for medical/therapeutic reasons, of course!) way before the sun went past the yardarm. Tom Grimer joined me a few hours later since his rear tire was less than confidence-inspiring, causing him to cut his ride short. Beers, pizza, action flicks on the tube, wasn't too bad a time... Oh, and those squids Glen and Craig? Well, Craig Johnston was kind enough to ride me 'pillion' (don't anyone say the 'B' word or you'll be on my 'S' list ;) for 300 miles - not something I'd recommend BTW, the TL is a very sweet bike in Craig's competent hands, but that pillion seat leaves much to be desired! (The last 60 miles on Tom Gimer's Kawa- Barco-Lounger were far more comfortable :^) For his part, Glen Dysart immediately offered to bring me back down to Bluefield on Saturday to pick up my bike! Like I said, I felt like an ass for wadding my bike, but as was echoed by virtually everyone, I also feel like a pretty lucky mofo. Got a little S from the wife, but not too much... All in all it really was a good weekend even if I didn't do the major ride. It rained a lot (!) there and back, but everyone who participated really displayed the cooperative camraderie that defines the nature of our DC-Cycles community. Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 10 23:46:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12366; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19342 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13081 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-86.s86.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.86]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28784; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CFB490.4F7B6F2E@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:03:44 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that just doesn't make sense Jack :) Does Pontiac do it themselves, or is it like I said originally: an aftermarket job... Or looking at it again, maybe the aftermarket company (I forget there name..it was a late night watching speedvision just after the current body style came out a few years back) has a deal with Pontiac where the do the conversions for the factory and the factory does all the marketing....can't really see the company wantign this since they would lose a lot of profit that they were already making (they were at max capacity for business according to the article)... Oh well...don't really matter to me cause it ain't a truck and it has more than two wheels :) (I like cars, but they get me in trouble...cops don't even blink at a 240hp 4wd truck..even though it'll do 115) WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 98-08-10 20:32:18 EDT, you write: > > << The first two I see all the time, but I've only seen one true Firehawk > conversion on the street...or has Pontiac picked up the name that the > aftermarket folks used? Last I saw, A firehawk was a moderately spendy > conversion to a standard Firebird T/A that bumped the hp up around 400 > and had a cool hood and some other body effects... >> > > Yes Pontiac makes the Firehawk now. Its a Trans Am thats shipped out to an > aftermarket company and they do the rest. > > Jack -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 00:09:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12917; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19457 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13441 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:52 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZILa12041 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:18 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: SQUID's and such... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Now, I thought that a squid, by dc-cycles definition, was Someone Quite Underdressed Inviting Disaster. So how do kids in civic's and preludes get brought into this? Not that I am one, just curious. And, why does it seem that everyone frowns on motoryclists that arent in full-clad protection? Im not trying to stir anything up, but I seriously need some clairification, I mean, are some people on this list that close minded about riding with other people because of riding gear? I saw some posts back a couple weeks about a ride where someone was given a cold shoulder because of this. I might be wrong, but it just seems ironic. I mean, to get a bike, to be more free... then only to find that your own kind wont accept you because you arent all wrapped up. My point -- why disciminate, or even judge someone cause of the way they dress when riding. I am a member of abate, here to help other motorcyclists, yet I ride a Sport bike( 1st strike against me), and I dont always where leathers(2nd strike), but I do wear jeans, not for protection, more for comfort. Anyway, Im tired of yapping. HAVE FUN.... isnt that what its about =) Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 01:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13459; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20341 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14237 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:18:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Cc: Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdc4df$04048c80$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35CFB490.4F7B6F2E@geocities.com> It's actually both. Pontiac builds the car. The car gets shipped to tuner. Tuner does tuner stuff (SLP engineering??) Car gets shipped back to Pontiac. Pontiac sends car to moronic customer who spent a hell of a lot of money for a car (and in$urance). You can order the package by ticking off the right block on the order form at any Pontiac dealer. But how many people order cars these days? (I almost did, but a Mercury with a stick shift actually managed to be made before I had to resort to that. Almost as good a Q-ship as your truck (and it prolly handles a bit better) Can't tow bikes with it though:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 01:25:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13605; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20458 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14511 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:40:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:40:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdc4e2$20ddc620$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: SQUIDs are RiceBoys on two wheels. And vice versa. I dunno. They just seem to go together. Like arsenic and old lace. Harley's and points ignitions. Kawasakis and more horsepower than they can handle. BMWs and sportbikes that weigh near as much as a Gold Wing. Agusta's and Ago. Petty and Chrysler. Somebody stop me... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 05:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16269; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21744 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA17584 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02979; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:52:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:44:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson in mid-range-torque. Runs in the family.Dad would dust Ninjas with his 700 Magna,and Grandpa would blow away kids in Novas and Camaros with his Pontiac Bonneville 455. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 05:56:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16347; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21825 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17745 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (brauhaus.CSS.GOV [140.162.4.56]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA00611 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808110910.FAA00611@seismo.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:06:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: SQUID's and such... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:26 PM 8/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >Now, I thought that a squid, by dc-cycles definition, was Someone Quite >Underdressed Inviting Disaster. This is a much more formalized and narrow definition than the more traditional Wreck.moto one I've seen... squids are basically anyone who's got a high probability of ending up looking like calimary spread on the pavement. This definition, of course, probably means that all of us are, since, by living in the DC metro area, no matter how careful we are, there's still a HIGH probability of ending up in a gelatinous state across a half mile of tarmac. Engage brain before engaging clutch. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 05:59:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16358; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21857 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17805 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (brauhaus.CSS.GOV [140.162.4.56]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA00726 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808110915.FAA00726@seismo.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:10:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Fwd: Sport Rider's Handbook -- buyer list. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:15:16 -0400 (EDT) >From: "J. Fielek" >To: North East DoD , > Raleigh area Bikers >cc: jjf@XXXXXX >Subject: Sport Rider's Handbook -- buyer list. >Sender: owner-nedod@XXXXXX >Reply-To: nedod@XXXXXX >X-Copyright-Header: The contents of the NEDOD mailing list are copyright by Dean Cookson (The List Maintainer) and the individual authors. Reproduction in any form is forbidden without the express written consent of the article authors (in the case of individual postings) or The List Maintainer (in the case of any compilation, archive or digest). > >The following folks have expressed an interest in a copy of the Sport >Rider's Handbook. We go to press this week, and as such, now is the >time to commit to a copy. If you're interested in a copy and you're >not on this list, please email me at: motoslut@XXXXXX > >Each copy is $10.00, including shipping. The book is stich bound, >5.5"x8.5" format, and will be shipped by way of regular first class >mail. Expect to see a copy within about three weeks of your >order. There will be additional copies avaialbel, as the ~40 copies >listed here at about half the production run. I'll repost the TOC and >excerpts again RSN. > >For orders, please send a check or money order to: > >Josh Fielek >124 Highlands Parkway >Newport News, VA >23603 > > >The lists: > >(Apologies for any misplaced names or typos; this is a pretty hefty >list :-) > >TriDoD: > >1. Darin Phillips >2. Howard Roth >3. Jimmy Thiem >4. Maria Riopka >5. Juan Pons (2) >6. " " >7. Bob Elliot >8. Timothy Smith >9. John Crittendon >10. Denis Calimenis >11. Fred Castrovinci >12. Eric Ayers >13. Chuck Lohr >14. Rob Rosen >15. Ken House >16. Regis Koslovsky >17. Dave Bartlett >18. Rick Clarke >19. John Hite >20. Dick Peterson >21. Steve Hand >22. Ron Butterfield >23. Ed Green >24. Bruce Hudson >25. Jean Scott >26. Phil Calvin >27. Robert Hefter >28. Bill Jennings > > >NeDoD: > >29. Scott Lilliot >30. Thomas Biggs >31. " " >32. Dave Petke >33. Reto Lichtensteiger >34. Rick McMullen >35. Vacek Miglus >36. Suzanne Spencer >37. J. L. Mieussett >38. Adam Glass >39. Tim Atwood >40. Bruce Leung > >Thanks, and when you get it, please let me know what you think. > >J >Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 WERA#968 The Garage of Xanadu: >jjf@XXXXXX 96 900SS-SP #A19 (Belldandy) 82 XV920R(Boomer) >Wrench Early, wrench often. 75 RD350 71 T120R 77 R100/7(Slash) >Happiness isn't getting what you want; it's wanting what you got. > -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 05:59:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16362; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21861 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17809 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA03092; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:14:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:12:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Did they survive WV ? (Long] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35CFCB3D.5A23@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > I also feel like a pretty lucky mofo. Got a > little S from the wife, but not too much... What kind of protective gear were you wearing for that? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 06:37:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16603; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21983 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA18268 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-13.dial.nova.org (pm1-13.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.141]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id FAA07859 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:54:32 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A different kind of on-line magazine Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:55:21 GMT Message-ID: <35db13b5.319019815@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46or the last few weeks I've been reading a different kind of on-line bike mag. They don't have any bike/parts/accessories reviews or most of the usual stuff. They just have stories, riding philosophy, and opinionated editorials. I think it's worth checking out: http://www.activebike.com/IM.htm I'll bet they get a lot of interesting mail from folks upset over their opinions... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 06:39:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16608; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21990 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA18293 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA03351; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:52:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:48:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: SQUID's and such... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Now, I thought that a squid, by dc-cycles definition, was Someone Quite > Underdressed Inviting Disaster. So how do kids in civic's and preludes get > brought into this? Not that I am one, just curious. There are several definitions for Squids.They were clumped in with rice boys because of similar riding/driving habits. > And, why does it seem that > everyone frowns on motoryclists that arent in full-clad protection? Im not > trying to stir anything up, but I seriously need some clairification, I mean, > are some people on this list that close minded about riding with other people > because of riding gear? I saw some posts back a couple weeks about a ride > where someone was given a cold shoulder because of this. I might be wrong, > but it just seems ironic. I mean, to get a bike, to be more free... then only > to find that your own kind wont accept you because you arent all wrapped up. The reason there was such a fuss was because of how he made the other riders feel.It's one thing to be on your own,making your own decisions.But riding with a group if he would've gone down the leader would've felt at least partially responsible.In addition to freedom,brotherhood is another facet of riding. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 08:59:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17601; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24118 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19644 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504220138E@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:13:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sean, You've got it right on the Squids part.. the other part you missed (for the equivilant in car owners) are Rice Boys.. As for your second point, it's all personal opinions. We flamed about it a couple weeks ago, and I've no intention of starting it again.. But my views are that I like riding, I accept the hazards that come with the freedom, and I want to ride till I'm old and bald (I'm not gonna make it to grey..) The people I ride with (for the most part) are friends as well.. and I'd like to continue riding with them throughout my life.. I don't want to see them in an accident ever, but I suspect it will happen.. no need for them to be injured when that accident occurs (only 2 types of riders, those who have crashed, and those who will). Hopefully if they're 'all wrapped up', injury will be minimal or better yet, non-existant. Personaly, I know jeans don't cut it - I've a nice bit of road rash on my right hip from a 15mph crash (was hit by a car). The road shreded the jeans in a matter of inches. I had a similar accident 6 months later, when I had my 'Stich.. only I was going faster (30mph), walked away with no injury. That's all I needed.. I'm shutting up. -----Original Message----- My point -- why disciminate, or even judge someone cause of the way they dress when riding. I am a member of abate, here to help other motorcyclists, yet I ride a Sport bike( 1st strike against me), and I dont always where leathers(2nd strike), but I do wear jeans, not for protection, more for comfort. Anyway, Im tired of yapping. HAVE FUN.... isnt that what its about =) Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:18:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17807; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24243 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19960 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic129.cais.com [207.226.56.129]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id IAA19996 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980811083505.006ab5dc@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:35:05 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: I made it! In-Reply-To: <003801bdc4b1$2637f9a0$5873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ahh... It was good to sleep in my own bed again! Thanks too all! 'cept for the rain it was a great trip! Aprox 950 miles and the Mobil 1 still looks clear! I hope we all got home Ok, Mike B 98 ZX 900R At 06:49 PM 8/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >Home achieved at exactly 5:00pm. 964 miles total. > >I hope everyone has made it home safe! > >Thank you everyone! I had a great time, mostly due to a great group of >people! > >Looking forward to the next (hopefully drier) ride! >Bruce > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:35:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18002; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24322 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20164 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-21.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.62]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07475; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002601bdc524$e93fa9c0$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Morris Berman" , "Linda Tanner" Cc: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Source for Stiffening Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:37:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Or perhaps the Container Store (Tysons-Rte. 7 and others). All kinds of shaped plastic and wire (short of Wonderproducts, methinks). Bill S. -----Original Message----- From: Morris Berman >Linda, > >Read Plastics (or any variety of other plastic shops) has Mylar (?), >clear that you can buy in a variety of thicknesses and sheet sizes. The >cost should be < $10.00 and you can pick the thickness that easiest to >work with that is stiff enough. I some stuff that is about 1/3 as thick >as the plastic in my OSI tank bag that is plenty stiff enough. It was >thin enough to run through a sewing machine to put holes in it so that I >could attach it to something else. > >> On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: >> >> > And we're not talking Viagra, here either. As some of you may know, I make >> > my own soft luggage. But even soft luggage needs a little shape and I'm >> > looking for a source of some sort of plastic sheets that could be used to >> > give soft luggage a shape when it's empty. I've been looking and not >> > finding and finally decided to use sheet metal. Not a real good solution as >> > it's too heavy and I get cut up so bad while I'm working it. SO, I STILL >> > NEED IT. >> > >> > This stuff would be thin enough to cut with scissors or a utility knife, but >> > stiff enough that a coil of it would stand unassisted. The only stuff I've >> > found that is close is the sheets used by crafters underneath fabric when >> > using a rotary cutter. Horribly expensive and overkill. >> > >> > If anyone has any hints as to where I might find this stuff, I would >> > appreciate the info. Most soft luggage sold has some in it. >> > >> > MC Content - the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) Mark II is nearly complete and will >> > probably have it's maiden voyage tomorrow. The latest version will include: >> > 1) CB radio >> > 2) mini-disk player >> > 3) GPS >> > 4) radar detector (shhhh) >> > 5) laptop (not for use during travel - just transport) >> > 6) voltmeter (so I can tell how bad I'm trashing my electrical system) >> > >> > LindaT. >> > 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) >> > War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. >> > >> > >-Mb > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX >'96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:38:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18033; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24335 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20227 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6DxU-0001wa-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:55:24 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:54:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4662@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Did they survive WV ? (Long] Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:53:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Glad you're ok, John. Welcome back, guys!! - Jeannette > Hey DC Gang, > > Well, we all made it back in one piece and Brian will be happy to know > that those mofo-squids Glen and Craig failed to wad their bikes ;) > > Ciao, > > JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:47:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18108; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24536 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20353 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id RCZIa04229; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e222cb5.35d04111@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:12 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: pwrtrp@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Did they survive WV ? (Long] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I'm glad to hear your OK! Sounds like you were able to minimize the physical injury. I am also glad to hear that there was no more carnage and everyone had a good time! Tom T. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 09:57:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18229; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24619 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20606 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6EGV-0004ZC-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:15:03 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:14:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F4667@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What a Nice Change... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:13:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Riding in today I didn't even get hot!! Fall is coming, soon! : ) BTW, on the squid thing, I had fun one night while riding home. I shot by these military guys on their bikes & they tried to catch up...(they must've been REALLY NEW 'cause I've only been riding a year on the 15th)...so, they pull up next to me at the light after I've been sitting there a minute or so and try to stare me down. When I looked at them I thought they were going to fall off their bikes. I don't think they expected to see me. I guess I'm a bit of a squid in the city. I commute every day & it gets really, really tiring waiting in traffic, so I tend to lane split, but only when traffic's stopped, at least (well, for the most part) ; ). I've dusted quite a few bikes trying to keep up with me in city traffic. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 10:19:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18654; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24776 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21340 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980811132859.2799.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:28:59 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Did they survive WV ? (Long] To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Cc: Dillon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John the pleasure was all mine... What You didn't like the seat... ;~) hey atleast I didn't make you bang helmets during braking or shifting.... It was a long 300 miles, although I really didn't notice you on the bike except in some of the corners when you initiated the lean for me :-).;D And yes Glenn and I had a MARVELOUS time...I can't wait for Glenn to get a Sport bike... ---"John C. Kozyn" wrote: Craig was kind > enough to ride me 'pillion' (don't anyone say the 'B' word or you'll be > on my 'S' list ;) for 300 miles - not something I'd recommend BTW, the > TL is a very sweet bike in Craig's competent hands, but that pillion > seat leaves much to be desired! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 10:29:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18728; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24914 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21606 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6ElM-0000CL-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:47:12 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:45:45 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8F466F@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:45:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain This is awesome. What verbiage! What a way with description! : ) > calimary spread on the pavement. > > gelatinous state across a > half mile of tarmac. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 10:53:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19019; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25689 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22253 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:10:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA25227 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199808111409.KAA25227@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:03:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > > Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in > I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson > in mid-range-torque. > Runs in the family.Dad would dust Ninjas with his 700 Magna,and > Grandpa would blow away kids in Novas and Camaros with his Pontiac > Bonneville 455. > > ..speaking of Magnas...I have both the 700 and the 1100 V65, I've had loads of fun dusting the Ninjas et al in the past, they always gave me this wierd look like "hey, a cruiser can't go that fast!"...now with the V65 (Jenny now rides the 700), it's almost comical...there's just absolutely *no* substitue for brute horsepower... ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 11:10:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19345; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26168 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22732 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id HAA18430 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:27:09 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:27:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What a Nice Change... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:28:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >(they must've been REALLY NEW 'cause I've only been riding a year on the 15th) Yeah, but you (a) ride a lot (practice makes perfect) and (b) look at the talent that you hang out with Michael (when you're as good as we are, it's hard to be modest) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 12:10:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20243; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28197 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24455 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p27dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.59]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18790 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:26:57 -0400 Message-ID: <00e901bdc53c$3e94f120$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:25:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDC51A.B5B68060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDC51A.B5B68060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just found an ME-Z2 rear at Cycles USA. Price was $158, low enough so = that I would be happy to pay that price because it was in stock and I = thought it could probably be mounted some time today or at the latest = some time tomorrow. After all, it is only a tire. Sorry. Earliest = time they can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday = afternoon. I'm ready with my share of the cash for a mounting tool. Can anybody recommend another shop that might have this tire and be able = to mount it the same day? Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg = (my regular tire shop) doesn't have one in stock. Thanks. -- Tom Gimer ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDC51A.B5B68060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just found an ME-Z2 rear at Cycles = USA. =20 Price was $158, low enough so that I would be happy to pay that price = because it=20 was in stock and I thought it could probably be mounted some time today = or at=20 the latest some time tomorrow.  After all, it is only a tire.  = Sorry.  Earliest time they can gouge me for $38 to mount and = balance it is=20 Thursday afternoon.
 
I'm ready with my share of the cash = for a=20 mounting tool.
 
Can anybody recommend another shop = that might=20 have this tire and be able to mount it the same day?  Cycle = Accessory=20 Discounters in Gaithersburg (my regular tire shop) doesn't have one in=20 stock.
 
Thanks.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDC51A.B5B68060-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 12:43:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20643; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29440 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25350 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 328; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:00:45 -0400 Message-ID: <35D06AC1.2F47DC26@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:01:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jon S." CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <001301bdc4cf$32914ee0$6b4d37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon S. wrote: > > Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so much > better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few and far between. > and that your "fullface, > leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you > better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em ride like that in December. Brr. >If your so much > better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 12:52:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20736; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29579 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25664 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p27dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.59]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20370 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <011301bdc542$9654dfa0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Cycles USA and tires: nevermind Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:10:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01BDC521.0054EC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BDC521.0054EC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Called Cycle Accessory Discounters (Dave Yakov's shop) back and found = that they have an ME-Z4 (the dual compound version of the ME-Z2, I = believe) in stock which can be mounted while I wait today. You can't = beat that. -- Tom Gimer ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BDC521.0054EC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Called Cycle Accessory Discounters = (Dave Yakov's=20 shop) back and found that they have an ME-Z4 (the dual compound version = of the=20 ME-Z2, I believe) in stock which can be mounted while I wait = today.  You=20 can't beat that.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BDC521.0054EC00-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 13:04:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20905; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00157 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25952 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-08.dial.nova.org (ra1-08.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.168]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA13790 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend trip report (long and crappy) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:20:45 GMT Message-ID: <35d86de2.342109016@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warning: poorly written obligatory trip report follows. Many details will be left out (to be filled in by others as necessary) and many lies will be told... A hardy group of dc-cyclers met at the Amoco station in Marshall early Saturday, Aug 8. Twelve of us managed to fight off Mr. Sandman, ignore the cloudy skies, and hit the road. Those twelve were: Steve Beck - V-max Mike Benedict - 98 ZX9R Don Burger - F3 Glenn Dysart - Magna 500 Tom Gimer - ZX11 Craig Johnston - TL-S John Kozyn - VFR Anita Lauro - GPZ11 Bruce Norton - 98 VFR Todd Peer - Nighthawk Kirk Roy - Hawk GT Sean Sullivan - F3 On the way down there it started to rain while we were on 211, before heading up to Thornton's Gap. That set the stage - rain was the big thing for both the trip down and the trip back. The only dry twisties we saw Saturday were on US250 (and, strangely enough, the only bit of road I rode with any confidence the whole weekend). At least we did get to scope out some nice stuff on 219 south of Marlinton (barely day trippable from DC, I think). In the dry that piece of road would be a blast. Oh, did I mention that Mr. "I don't ride in the rain" Dysart just bought a rainsuit and decided to leave it at home? Yes, I place the blame for the rain fully on Glenn's head. Jynx and all that... We all arrived safely in Princeton, WV. Our gracious hosts, Bill Sowers and Bill Nabors stopped by Saturday evening to shoot the bull. These guys are WV hospitality personified (that is, excellent). They are also representatives of the Honda Sport Touring Association (with Bill S being the director for both WV and VA - I'll provide contact info if requested). Sunday's ride started out at a brisk pace and broke the group up a bit. Unfortunately, as John has reported, the group broke up even more when John shimmied off the road. We spent much of the rest of the day following Craig with the help of the maps provided by Bill N (who used his trailer to rescue John, thereby missing part of the day's riding). While the roads may have been a bit disappointing, what with the excessive number of straight sections and fairly heavy traffic (snicker, snicker...) we still managed to enjoy ourselves. Bill N caught up with us late into the day and lead us around to a great family style restaurant. At dinner, lunch, rest stops, etc it was easy to see that not only can this group ride but they are also quite competent at shooting the bull... Monday morning greeted us with heavy rain showers washing away our plans to head north through WV. Instead, we slabbed it out to I-81. The rain finally gave way and we took some back roads up to Charlottsville for lunch. Several of us popped straight up 29 while the rest twisted along the country roads to Marshall. Thence the group separated and the trip was over. My personal feelings on the trip as a whole are mixed. Of course, I was disappointed in the rain. More than that though, I never had the usual sensations I feel when riding. I don't know why but I never felt a buzz, a rush, or excitement. My brain was in overdrive entering every corner (is there gravel? decreasing radius? etc). The most enjoyment I got out of the trip was sampling the other bikes, introducing the group to the local roads, and having an administrative function to fulfill (counting heads and such). I don't know if the rain was depressing, if chunking my peg on 250 made me nervous, if finding out Friday that I needed to replace the motor in my car preoccupied my mind, or what. I do think that I saw some improvement in others in the group. Glenn continues to amaze me on his corner carving cruiser; Todd shows why a standard is more than enough; Tom heaves that mammoth around like it was a child's play thing; Craig, well, we don't need to brag Craig up; Steve gets around a lot faster than one would expect for such a big guy on a bike that has very little clearance (thanks for handling sweeper duties too Steve!); etc (I didn't really get to watch too many of the other guys). I'm not sure if I was going really slow or if the other guys have just improved a bunch (they seem to get out every weekend, after all). A bunch of great riders for sure. Oh, where sampling the other bikes is concerned: I rode the Magna, the 98 VFR, the Nighthawk, and Sean's F3. The Magna felt quite nimble. Of course, having my feet out in front of me felt weird but everything else felt fine. I can more easily see the Magna as a corner carver now. The VFR position felt less natural to me than the Magna. I wasn't sure how to steer the thing. I'm sure it wouldn't feel weird to someone used to sportbikes... The star of the show is the motor, a real gem. I don't know that I'm ready for all the weight though. The Nighthawk is too big for me - with Todd's set-up I could barely reach the handlebars. The F3 has a fun motor which felt more than fast enough for a street bike (although I think Sean should take the front end apart and put it back together. Oh, and replace the front brake rotor(s) - you know, the warped one(s)). I couldn't distinguish much between the F3 and the VFR outside of the F3 being buzzier. Happily, nothing about the other bikes I sampled gave me the urge to replace the Hawk. All of them but Glenn's felt heavier and the motors weren't enough for me to give up a bike that's so easy to ride... While the weekend's riding didn't set me on fire I, along with everyone else (John included), had a good time. More importantly, we learned that the roads down there suck and we don't recommend them (snicker, snicker...). We won't be having another trip down there in October so don't plan on it. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 13:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20984; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00325 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26236 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05681; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:27:27 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28DF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:27:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Youch...they charge that much AND want to charge you to mount it??? Most of the time, the local shops at least have the decency to mount a tire bought from them for free (or very reduced price) since they got you for so much on the purchase price.... (although $158 isn't "too" bad for an MEZ.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:25 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Cycles USA and tires > > Just found an ME-Z2 rear at Cycles USA. Price was $158, low enough so > that I would be happy to pay that price because it was in stock and I > thought it could probably be mounted some time today or at the latest some > time tomorrow. After all, it is only a tire. Sorry. Earliest time they > can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday afternoon. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 13:09:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20988; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00329 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26239 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:23:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cunning stunts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hey all, Just got back from the homeland (Minnesota) where we took in the AMA Superbike Event at Brainerd, which featured half-time performances by Gary Rothwell. Words cannot describe this guy's work. Suffice it to say, if you think you'd enjoy watching a guy do mile-long (turn one to turn ten) one-handed 140-mph wheelies, 360-degree feet-up burnouts, two-up stoppies that place his fiance's head inches from the tarmac, fender-scraping wheelies on someone else's borrowed Bandit 1200, you've got to see this. Off the bike, he masquerades as a normal human being. He signs autographs afterwords, and will even let you put your hands inside his GSXR's shredded rear tire. He's performing at the Pocono Cycle Festival (Formula USA) August 28-30. If you can go, go. Even though it means you'll miss my racing debut at Summit Point. Joe Ninja, RD, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 13:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21629; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01635 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27525 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:16:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id NAA24638 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8525665D.005EEDA4 ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:16:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665D.005D619E.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:18:36 -0400 Subject: Confessions of a bait-taker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Overheard at the squid bar several days ago... "Man, I just had to tell y'all how cool I was last night...so my buds and I, all on our race rides, are waiting at a stoplight last night when this guy pulls up next to us on this family-touring-goldwing/concours-lookin thing and OF COURSE he just had to start with us by revving his engine...my guys and I were gonna leave him alone, 'cuz this guy was obviously in deep psychological trouble since he's wearin' long pants, jacket, and gloves in the summer heat while riding, but after he pushed us like that we just had to smoke him! So the light turns green and all of a sudden my throttle cable breaks...I rig something up in McGuyver-like fashion but not before my main dude, Butch, heads past me in hot pursuit...he was busy getting a phone number from the fine-lookin' woman in the Camaro next to us and missed the jump off when the light went 'positive'...anyway, this tour bike guy thought he was all cool scraping his foot-long pegs across the intersection...he's takes off down the straightaway like his wife was gonna spank him if he wasn't home in time for dinner...my throttle cable was still giving me trouble so I couldn't get the GSXYZFRZS up to intercept speed. By the time we approached the next light he was already there waiting with both feet on the ground...this time we just waved so he wouldn't act so out-of-control leaving this light...after all, you have to think of what could happen to countless innocent bystanders when this guy discovers the limits of his bike, right? Hey bartender! One for the road, eh? Its a long ride home and I don't want to get my shorts wet if it starts raining..." ;-) -Doug 81 GS 750 L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 14:07:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21762; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01749 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27733 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:25:13 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFOZa27696 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:24:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 In a message dated 98-08-11 12:54:57 EDT, you write: << I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em ride like that in December. Brr. I think some might remember the torrential downpour I had to experience to get to you guys when some of us went to the battltrax nad buell demo. all I had was jeans, a windbreaker, and gloves. not exactly rain gear... > I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. >> well... Im gonna leave that one alone... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 14:30:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22071; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02128 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28452 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:26 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id NAA19538 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199808111747.NAA19538@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:45:08 -0400 Subject: For all that haven't heard.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35d86de2.342109016@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME *** Motorcycle champion killed (AP) - Three-time NHRA Winston Pro Stock Motorcycle champion John Myers was killed in a non-racing motorcycle accident Sunday near Tuscaloosa, Ala., while riding with friends. Myers, 40, reportedly lost control of his bike and struck a guardrail. He died from massive internal injuries. In addition to his three Winston titles, Myers was a 33-time NHRA national event winner with George Bryce's Star Racing team. He recently left that team, announcing plans to field his own operation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 14:42:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22202; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02688 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28848 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10433; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28E0@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cunning stunts Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Joe, You're taking the upcoming rider school too???!!! I believe lister Jay St. Peter is also going to be taking the school that day. What bike are you racing, the RD? Keep in touch. I'm picking up a 10x20 canopy this week, so I'll have some shade for you fellas. I'm probably going to set up right next to Dawn Cook along the cold pit. We were thinking of putting Bob ? and Dawn's canopies together, and mine behind to make "monster pit", but if we throw a couple extra guys in the space, side by side it'll have to be. I plan on camping there all weekend as well.... > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:22 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cunning stunts > > He's performing at the Pocono Cycle Festival (Formula USA) August 28-30. > If you can go, go. Even though it means you'll miss my racing debut at > Summit Point. > Joe > Ninja, RD, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 15:19:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22765; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04109 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00247 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 301; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:36:41 -0400 Message-ID: <35D08F4F.D96D9957@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:37:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Confessions of a bait-taker References: <8525665D.005D619E.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > Overheard at the squid bar several days ago... > '...anyway, this tour bike > guy thought he was all cool scraping his foot-long pegs across the > intersection...he's takes off down the straightaway like his wife > was gonna spank him if he wasn't home in time for dinner... Ha! :) Good reply! I got a great chuckle out of it! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 15:35:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23042; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04256 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00795 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p27dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.59]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04656; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: <014901bdc559$85f30760$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "Craig Johnston" Subject: Re: Cycles USA and tires: nevermind Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:54:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01BDC537.F5072040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01BDC537.F5072040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had forgotten what a round tire feels like. That was definitely my = major problem this weekend....it now falls right into the corners with = no effort whatsoever. That new rear really helped you this weekend, Glenn. Your riding was = quite impressive. Hopefully we'll get together this weekend to carve = some more turns. Craig (TL=3DTeam Leader) said he's got a route in = mind. BTW, Cycle Accessory Discounters on E. Diamond Ave in Gaithersburg has = plenty of tires (just no ME-Z2 in my size 180/55/17) and had my bike = ready to go before I came back from a 1/2 hour lunch. The ME-Z4 feels really solid (although she isn't fully scrubbed in = yet....we'll see about that later). Also ordered some Progressive fork = springs today. In two weeks the couch will be a little = stiffer.....can't wait for that. -- Tom Gimer -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H. Gimer To: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:05 PM Subject: Cycles USA and tires: nevermind =20 =20 Called Cycle Accessory Discounters (Dave Yakov's shop) back and found = that they have an ME-Z4 (the dual compound version of the ME-Z2, I = believe) in stock which can be mounted while I wait today. You can't = beat that. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01BDC537.F5072040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had forgotten what a round tire = feels=20 like.  That was definitely my major problem this weekend....it now = falls=20 right into the corners with no effort whatsoever.
 
That new rear really helped you this = weekend,=20 Glenn.  Your riding was quite impressive.  Hopefully we'll get = together this weekend to carve some more turns.  Craig (TL=3DTeam = Leader)=20 said he's got a route in mind.
 
BTW, Cycle Accessory Discounters on = E. Diamond=20 Ave in Gaithersburg has plenty of tires (just no ME-Z2 in my size = 180/55/17) and=20 had my bike ready to go before I came back from a 1/2 hour = lunch.
 
The ME-Z4 feels really solid (although she isn't = fully=20 scrubbed in yet....we'll see about that later).  Also ordered some=20 Progressive fork springs today.  In two weeks the couch will be a = little=20 stiffer.....can't wait for that.
 
--
Tom Gimer
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Thomas H. Gimer <tgimer@XXXXXX>
To: = DC=20 Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
D= ate:=20 Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:05 PM
Subject: Cycles USA and = tires:=20 nevermind

Called Cycle Accessory Discounters = (Dave=20 Yakov's shop) back and found that they have an ME-Z4 (the dual = compound=20 version of the ME-Z2, I believe) in stock which can be mounted while I = wait=20 today.  You can't beat that.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0146_01BDC537.F5072040-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 15:41:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23237; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04457 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01135 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA26373; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:58:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]> Tom Gimer wrote: >Earliest time they >can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday afternoon. > >I'm ready with my share of the cash for a mounting tool. I was thinking about this last night while looking over a couple of old carcasses. If those willing to chip in to buy this tool chipped in around $30 each (the average cost of mounting), then it could be purchased for around 17 people (assuming $500). If we can get at least 20 to commit, we can get the tool AND some accessories (like a nice static balancer, crimps for center mount weight, weights, etc..). What I was thinking was to offer the use of the tool to an original set of investers, with benefits. Sort of like an IPO for securities. If you are willing to take the risk to buy the machine, you should and would receive the greater benefit of return. If we get 25 or more people to commit, we can have a tire mounting tool christening party with the xtra proceeds at Glenns (or whomever hosts the tool) for just those that made the commitment. Or just bring the price down for everyone. Popular vote should solve that. Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. The whole idea is to offer incentive to get this thing off the ground. If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for $30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices on this tool. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 16:19:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23849; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06193 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02721 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 369; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980811153709.009f0100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, scraighi@XXXXXX, pwilkins@XXXXXX, szimmerm@XXXXXX, jmarks@XXXXXX, sirpapa@XXXXXX, mikesgirl2000@XXXXXX, rhonda@XXXXXX, abush@XXXXXX, gmachster@XXXXXX, samiller@XXXXXX, dpalmer@XXXXXX, deniset@XXXXXX, anthony.j.drago@XXXXXX, mike_tennyson@XXXXXX, ludden@XXXXXX, shirons@XXXXXX, tmonahan@XXXXXX, Daniel_Sweet@XXXXXX, ricker@XXXXXX, dtsan@XXXXXX, minimidget@XXXXXX, metrocrane@XXXXXX, YSKim@XXXXXX, dmunro@XXXXXX, jbarbacc@XXXXXX, clancwo@XXXXXX, cendicott@XXXXXX, berlh@XXXXXX, drewmunro@XXXXXX, tom@XXXXXX, TZimm2450@XXXXXX, CBMIKE@XXXXXX, WALTER.J.KIM@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This posted March of 1994 - very amusing..... I think the war between the smokers and non-smokers is heating up a bit. I went into a restaurant for lunch the other day and, as is my practice, requested a table in the ``no smoking'' section. They seated me, and I went about the business of ordering and eating my food. Somewhere between the clam chowder and a club sandwich, I caught the smell of nearby burning tobacco. Upon looking around, I noticed the man in the booth next to me smoking a freshly lit cigarette. Overcoming my natural reticence regarding confrontation, I spoke to the man. ``Excuse me, sir, but, when you came in, did you ask to be seated in the no-smoking section?'' ``Yes, I don't like the smell of smoke when I am eating any more than anyone else.'' I asked, ``Then why are you smoking that cigarette?'' ``I've finished eating.'' Silly me, it was obvious to the most casual observer. I called the server over and made her aware of the situation. She pointed out to the man that he was smoking in a No Smoking section (I suspect this was not a startling revelation) and went away with his assurance that he was just leaving. Of course he didn't leave until he had finished that cigarette and lit another. But at least he did finally go. Apparently he had noticed the motorcycle helmet and jacket I was wearing when I came in, because in a minute or so, I noticed him eyeing the Harley parked by the front door. He took out a small notebook, wrote something on a leaf from it, tore off the note, and placed it between the seat and gas tank. His next action took me completely off guard. He looked straight in the window at me, then put his foot against the gas tank and shoved the motorcycle over on its side. He then spun around and ran smack into a very large, bearded fellow who apparently owned the Harley. That which ensued netted him at least one broken bone and hopefully a little jail time. After the police had come and gone, I helped the bearded gentleman right his bike, and noticed the note the man had left. I unfolded it and read: ``This will teach you to mess with smoker's rights.'' I laughed and handed the note to the cigar-chewing biker. I then went around to the other side of the building, got on my BMW, and went back to work. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 16:55:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24293; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06510 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04469 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6Kn7-00041P-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:13:09 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:12:09 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C531@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:11:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm in. - Jeannette > I was thinking about this last night while looking over a couple of > old carcasses. If those willing to chip in to buy this tool chipped > in around $30 each (the average cost of mounting), then it could be > purchased for around 17 people (assuming $500). If we can get at > least > 20 to commit, we can get the tool AND some accessories (like a nice > static balancer, crimps for center mount weight, weights, etc..). > > What I was thinking was to offer the use of the tool to an original > set of investers, with benefits. Sort of like an IPO for securities. > If you are willing to take the risk to buy the machine, you should > and would receive the greater benefit of return. > > If we get 25 or more people to commit, we can have a tire mounting > tool christening party with the xtra proceeds at Glenns (or whomever > hosts the tool) for just those that made the commitment. Or just > bring > the price down for everyone. Popular vote should solve that. > > Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool > outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to > use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is > distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing > their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the > new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. > > The whole idea is to offer incentive to get this thing off the ground. > > If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for > $30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices > on this tool. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:24:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24649; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06797 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05515 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29172 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:41:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980811204152.TCJZ13385@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:41:52 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Tire mounting tool Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdc568$755642a0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sign me up. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. Todd Peer said: If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for $30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices on this tool. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:32:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24765; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06931 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05856 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager ([205.177.20.114]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id QAA23425 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980811164957.006b1150@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:49:57 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires In-Reply-To: <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 8/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for >$30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices >on this tool. > >Todd > > I'm in for $30 to $60 depending on the price etc.. It would cost more than that to get two tires mounted around here. For example Manassas Honda wanted $80 to mount two tires I bought through mail order. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:36:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24896; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06979 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05985 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA14220 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:54:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980811205415.UGDK24844@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:54:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980811205415.UGDK24844@[166.41.242.141]> The trip over to Marshall, VA marked the beginning of my ride with DC-Cycles into Princeton, WV. A bit of struggle, since I got up later than I wanted to and had a little headache to boot (as in, kick in the head). Thanks for the beers the night before Glenn! I left my house at 7:30am knowing for sure I could make 40 Miles by 8:00am. I keep forgetting though that all the little back roads and stops before getting to rt66 cost time. So to get to Marshall on time takes a little creative throttle control ;] You do the math. As I ramped up onto Rt66 from the Ffax Parkway, I saw another motorcycle down road that looked packed for a trip. Had to be one of us. I sped up and recognized Tom Gimer, waved and we rode the rest of the way into Marshall together arriving right at 8:00am on the nose. Partly due to the fact that we were riding pretty quickly and more importantly due to the fact that had a cage not pulled out into the passing lane blocking my progress, I would've spent 20 minutes with the not-so-friendly looking LEO pointing his radar gun at us. The next time I ride out there, I'm leaving earlier :| The ride participants included: DC-Cycles Kirk Roy Glenn Dysart Craig Johnston Bruce Norton Mike Benedict Todd Peer (me) Donald Burger Anita Lauro Steve Beck Sean Sullivan John Kozyn Tom Gimer WV-HSTA contingent Bill Sowers Mona Sowers Bill Nabors Saturday, August 8 We left from Marshall, VA around 8:30am with no incident. Kirk laid out our ride for the day that began south-westerly on 647 out to 522 to 211 west. The sky was grayish and looked like rain with temperatures right around 72 degrees. By the time we got close enough to Sperryville to get excited about the twisties just ahead it started to rain a little, followed by a lot. I pulled over followed by Anita and Steve, to put on our rain gear. Well Steve and I did anyway. Anita thinks rain cloths are silly, so she just got wet :) The rest of the group continued up the hill. Once we got back on the road it was apparent that a fast burn up 211 was out of the question. Wet, wet and more wet. Can you say slide your rear tire, and your front =:o As we approached the top of Thornton Gap it was very foggy and raining. DC-Cycles were parked under the Skyline Drive bridge thinking about....what...turning back? I looked over at Glenn who was wearing a serious scowl. Glenn doesn't believe in riding in the rain, which goes along way to explain why he bought rain gear the day before and decided to leave it home. But more alarming to the poor guy than the fact that it was raining was that his bike was getting....gasp...wet! If you know Glenn, or have seen his bike, you know how compulsively anal he is about keeping it spotless. Well, it is spotless! We futzed around and discussed the situation and after a time we decided to go on. Didn't make much sense sitting around in a rain cloud. And wouldn't you know, at the bottom of the hill there was some sun light and NO rain! The day was beginning to look up as we made a fast burn over New Market Gap. Once in New Market we stopped again for a little cool down and to take off the rain gear (except for Glenn and Anita). Someone discovered a nail in Seans front tire. Fortunately, the nail has scrap and only measure about a 1/4inch, and didn't puncture the tire. Sean is becoming famous for finding nails with his tires (remember DC-Cycles do Deals Gap?). So famous that it was suggested he ride up front to draw all sharp road debris to him and away from his pals :) >From New Market we entered I81 heading south and got off at sr33 in Harrisonburg. A couple of quick maneuvers just before the center of town helped us avoid that little jog around it, and would have saved some time in the process except, we lost a couple riders in the quick left/right over the hill maneuver. We waited at rt42, but Steve and Anita never showed. Time saved; -10 minutes. Oh well. We left to a gas station to gas up and wait to see if they would pass us. Kirk Roy went back to see if he could find them and about the time he returned, Steve came riding the other way saying he and Anita were about a mile down the road, waiting for us! Once we got sorted out and on our way again nothing of note occurred until we got over some of the first fun twisties of sr250 west. There is some construction on bridges that require stop lights on either side to control the one lane. About half of us had already passed the bridge and were resting, when Steve rolled up and told us how some woman in a mommy-van pulled up to lecture him about us motorcyclists. In support of her position she noted that at least one motorcyclist dies every year in that area. I can see it. At speed, sr250 is pretty dangerous. Hmmmmm, Hmmmm? For his polite non-response to this woman, Steve was rewarded with NOT losing his keys. Apparently his house and other important keys had bounced out of his tank-bag and into his right foot peg somewhere along all those twists and turns on sr250. Whoa, lucky dude!! Once again on our way and about .5 hour later, it began to rain. I could see it was not going to get better, so I pulled over to once again put on the rain gear. I finally caught up to everyone about two miles down the rain soaked road (probably thinking they could ride through it) where they were putting on their rain gear. We were about 10 miles from our intended lunching town and spent it all in heavy rain. Once in town we gassed up and sluggishly made the extra block to the Rivers End (?) restaurant. We sat outside on the balcony where we could drape our rain gear and leathers on the rail and watch the rain hit the slow moving river below while enjoying some good food. The owner of the place even offered her drier to anyone who wanted to use it. What a nice lady. By the time we finished our lunch it began to clear up a little in the direction we were heading, but it was still raining where we were. So, back on with the rain gear and off out of Marlinton, WV heading for Princeton. It's sort of a shame it was raining, because sr219 started out with some seriously fun looking corners. Oh well, within a couple miles the rain began to abate and we got to run through the valley at a pretty good clip. We stopped one last time before we got to the motel, at a shell station where sr219 and sr3 intersect. The sun was out and off came the rain gear again. A few pictures were taken and we left, prompted by the big assed cloud in the sky heading our way. I knew where I was in just a few miles, so once on the WV side of sr460, I took off. Sr460 is a lot of straight uphill road and my little cb750 just can't cough out enough ponies to compete with some of the bigger dogs on the trip (Tom, Craig, Sean, and others), who pretty much easily blew by me. We where only 10 miles from the motel, and I had enough of rain (which it just happened to be doing again). By the time we got to the motel, it had stopped raining. We got our rooms, showered and partied and kicked tires until around midnight. Craig and Glenn tempted and thumbed their noses at the rain gods by washing....Washing their bikes!....Sheesh. After pizza, everyone began showing signs of wear. So we turned in, hoping for NO RAIN on Sunday. We lucked out. Sunday, August 9 Bill Nabors, a local, was invited to lead a spirited ride of eager DC-Cyclers. Bill Sowers, the regional HSTA director, hosted the scenery riders. You can learn more about HSTA by going here: http://www.ridehsta.com/ And you can visit Bill S.'s web page here: http://www.localweb.com/mtrspts/ The front page shows a grainy picture of the two Bills to the left of the black Speed Triple (Nabors on the left), and Kirk Roy behind his yellow Hawk. After all where gassed up, Bill N. headed out to I77 for a brisk ride to the Ingleside exit. You've GOT to love those posted 70mph interstates! About 2 miles into the side road (with bits of gravel washout in some of the tighter corners), disaster struck. Our Haitian representative, riding his VFR lost control and crashed off of the road, munching his bike, but VERY fortunately able to walk away from the incident. His apparent speed was around 60mph, so we should all breath a sigh of relief that our pal is still with us. He was wearing a two piece set of leathers which after the crash could have been photographed and used on posters as public service to 'dress for a crash'. Mostly muddy, but definite scarring where human skin would have been on a greater squid. John's full face helmet took a knock to the front which saved his Michael Angelo like features for us to enjoy for quite a time longer:) John was quite diplomatic and obviously upset that this sort of thing happened. In reality, you never know when your number is up, but I couldn't figure it out either. The radius of the corner was so slight that it was hard to see how this happened. But it did. So, as it happened, Bill N. had a trailer he generously offered to bring back to pick up Johns bike and then store in his ample furniture warehouse. John insisted we all continue on our ride and have fun. We left, but had something to think about for the next 5 minutes :). Just kidding. It occurred to me on a couple of occasions that 'crashing sucks'. Sorry John, but on the lighter side we are looking forward to getting you back on the road. By the time we hooked back up with Bill N., Tom Gimer decided to slab it back to the motel due to his rapidly wearing Pirelli rear. So, I wasn't too surprised when I returned to find John and Tom laid out, drinks in hand and slurring about the movies they'd been watching all day. ;) I could go on and on about how great the roads are down in that part of VA/WVA, but that's been done to death. If you get the time, go. Experience it for yourself. Way fun! Highlights for Sunday included a gift shop rest stop at the top of a mountain hosting an observation tower overlook. Glenn and Sean paid $3.50/per to climb around 10 flights of steps for the opportunity to see from a little higher up.....Hmmmmm. We also dined at a family style restaurant in a converted home. It was just like Thanksgiving, but no couch to lie down on and no football to watch afterward. Sunday evening consisted of a party in John and Mikes room, with a trade up of the days experiences. Before bed it had begun to rain :( Monday, August 9. Rain. Not just a misty sprinkle either. Rain! The kind that creates and maintains deep puddles and floods the yard. Serious Rain! We had intended on getting an early start (8am) to ride north through the WVA mountains and then over to VA. But according to the WX Channel, that is precisely where all the rain was. Damn it, I just KNOW Glenn was out there at 3am polishing the grooves in his new tires! So here we are, some of us, sitting in the little breakfast room discussing what we would do. Some were seriously considering renting a one-way truck to get home and take John with his bike as well. =:( That never materialized due to the cost I think. We finally just accepted that we would be riding in rain and got out of Princeton at around 9:15am. For about an hour we rode in steady rain. And then it really opened up! A down pour ensued and gradually tapered off as we passed through Blacksburg, VA to get to I81. Steve Beck, waved us on either calling it quits or deciding on a different route than I81. W/in 5 miles, Tom got a little tired of the 75mph group pace and waved passed us. This action and the fact that we had finally ridden out of the rain, somehow caused a reaction in most everyone else and our organized little group broke up into some sane high speed adventure. All of this, mind you, with John K. perched up on the pillion seat of Craigs TL. What a trooper. We finally got off of I81 at Natural Bridge and took rt11 up to Steeles Tavern to rt56, East. This twisty stretch was a little wet, causing us to just be cool to the top, where we turned onto the BRP, north. We pulled over at sr250 for a rest stop and bike change. I changed up with Tom G. and got a chance to experience full on, neck snapping throttle response. The ZX11 should be outlawed :) Man that thing is fast! We had lunch at Chili's in Charlottesville where half the group broke away for a direct route home. The rest of us made our way up rt601 to rt810 to rt230 to rt29 to rt231 into Sperryville, 522 to 647 into Marshall. This is great stretch to avoid all the police infested main throughways, without losing that much time. This was basically the end of the trip, with John switching over to Toms comfortable, dished out Corbin and Craig saying goodbye to the rest of us; Tom, Me, John, and Glenn. Hats off to Bill Nabors for assisting John and holding his bike for him, Glenn Dysart for immediately offering his assistance to retrieve Johns bike this coming Saturday and Craig for volunteering his pillion seat to John...very cool, and Kirk Roy and Bill Sowers for organizing the trip down and ride sheets once there. With bad WX and all, this turned out to be a pretty nice trip. I believe another one will be planned for this October, so stay tuned. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold. -- Helen Keller From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:58:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25210; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07701 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06717 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6YIa011468; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4dd6b25e.35d0b472@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:15:03 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thats classic... I wish more stupid pricks had that kinda luck. Sean.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 17:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25214; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07714 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06755 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:52 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6IIOa04160; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87b58458.35d0b48d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:15:06 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thats classic... I wish more stupid pricks had that kinda luck. Sean.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:16:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25365; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07907 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07276 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6MEJa17154; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6ba9149f.35d0b8b4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:33:36 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: SUZUKI Fuel Pump Problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Ok, took it up to the dealer today, only to realize that I left the key at home. Came back, got the key, headed up there. Once there, one of the guys that works there told me he didnt know how long it would take(in that "I hope you arent in a hurry Tone). He said that almost all suzuki sport bikes are having fuel pump problems. Now, I dont get it, how could my collosal fuel pump in my tl, fit in a katana, or gsxr 600? But thats what he said. I dont think he was jerking me around for more time, this guy doesnt even do the service, but we are on a first name basis, and he's pretty honest with me. Anyone else have any fuel pump problems with suzuki? And any TL owners have any experience with the suzuki gel seat? its about $80 cheaper than corbin(who doesnt even make one for the R yet). I bought the suzuki R tank bra, and it fits perfect, so Im hoping I'll have the same luck with the seat. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:28:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25443; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08060 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07538 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-86.s86.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.86]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09324; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D0BB8E.2DE643BA@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:45:50 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SUZUKI Fuel Pump Problems References: <6ba9149f.35d0b8b4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard a couple of reports of the Fuel inject models fuel pumps going bad. They are definitely different than the fuel pump for the carbuerated models...although I've heard a few people complain about them too, but not many. Most of the other Suzuki models don't have electric fuel pumps. My 93 GSXR (and most of the other models these days) was gravity fed with a vacuum cutoff valve at the tank. Collin CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: . He said that almost all suzuki sport bikes are > having fuel pump problems. Now, I dont get it, how could my collosal fuel pump > in my tl, fit in a katana, or gsxr 600? But thats what he said. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:34:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25491; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08102 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07687 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXJ007P6OPY11@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:51:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:49:07 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001201bdc58b$0455cda0$d74337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Gil wrote: > Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in >I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson >in mid-range-torque. Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your bike have? 8^) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: >> Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > > Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in >I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson >in mid-range-torque. > Runs in the family.Dad would dust Ninjas with his 700 Magna,and >Grandpa would blow away kids in Novas and Camaros with his Pontiac >Bonneville 455. > > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > >'98 Fat Boy (soon) > >Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:45:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25568; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08290 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08123 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02523; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808112159.RAA02523@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]> from "Todd Peer" at Aug 11, 98 02:54:00 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Tom Gimer wrote: > >Earliest time they > >can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday afternoon. > > > >I'm ready with my share of the cash for a mounting tool. > > I was thinking about this last night while looking over a couple of > old carcasses. If those willing to chip in to buy this tool chipped > in around $30 each (the average cost of mounting), then it could be > purchased for around 17 people (assuming $500). If we can get at least > 20 to commit, we can get the tool AND some accessories (like a nice > static balancer, crimps for center mount weight, weights, etc..). > > What I was thinking was to offer the use of the tool to an original > set of investers, with benefits. Sort of like an IPO for securities. > If you are willing to take the risk to buy the machine, you should > and would receive the greater benefit of return. > > If we get 25 or more people to commit, we can have a tire mounting > tool christening party with the xtra proceeds at Glenns (or whomever > hosts the tool) for just those that made the commitment. Or just bring > the price down for everyone. Popular vote should solve that. > > Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool > outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to > use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is > distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing > their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the > new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. or we can add more tool ( toys ). > > The whole idea is to offer incentive to get this thing off the ground. > > If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for > $30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices > on this tool. > > Todd > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 18:57:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25633; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08531 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08437 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: RE: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:21:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:51 PM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > Anita thinks rain cloths > are silly, so she just got wet :) No, I don't think rain gear is silly... just hadn't needed it until this weekend! :-) But, after I chose Route 11 North rather than ride along with you guys I finally learned the folly of my ways.... six hours of pouring down rain!!! I don't think I've ever been that soaked before! :-) Worse part was on Rte 66 near Marshall where I got caught by a severe thunderstorm... it was raining so hard I couldn't see a d*mn thing, so I had to take the next exit to wait for it to subside a bit. Anyhow, in spite of the rain I had a great time. I should say a special "Thanks" to Bill and Mona Sowers for leading the "slowpokes" of the group (myself and a friend of theirs on a Windjammer 750 who actually rode slower than I did). We did pretty much the same route as the other folks, but at a "sightseeing pace" (at least on the curves). Actually, Bill and Mona took the roads at a brisk pace, but waited for us to catch up at the next intersection. It worked out great. On the straights we had a little bit of fun... between my GPZ and their FJ we left Windjammer behind a few times! :-) Anyhow, great mix of nice people and fantastic roads... thanks to Kirk for organizing the trip, and thanks to the rest of the group for not telling *too* many sheep jokes!!! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (950 accident free miles and counting) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 19:06:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25706; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08681 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08635 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EXJ00JYKQ7FUZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:23:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:21:12 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires To: Todd Peer , DC Cycle Club Message-id: <007f01bdc58f$7f935880$d74337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Todd, count me in for the tire machine. I can chip in whatever it takes to get one. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Thomas H. Gimer Cc: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires > >Tom Gimer wrote: >>Earliest time they >>can gouge me for $38 to mount and balance it is Thursday afternoon. >> >>I'm ready with my share of the cash for a mounting tool. > >I was thinking about this last night while looking over a couple of >old carcasses. If those willing to chip in to buy this tool chipped >in around $30 each (the average cost of mounting), then it could be >purchased for around 17 people (assuming $500). If we can get at least >20 to commit, we can get the tool AND some accessories (like a nice >static balancer, crimps for center mount weight, weights, etc..). > >What I was thinking was to offer the use of the tool to an original >set of investers, with benefits. Sort of like an IPO for securities. >If you are willing to take the risk to buy the machine, you should >and would receive the greater benefit of return. > >If we get 25 or more people to commit, we can have a tire mounting >tool christening party with the xtra proceeds at Glenns (or whomever >hosts the tool) for just those that made the commitment. Or just bring >the price down for everyone. Popular vote should solve that. > >Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool >outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to >use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is >distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing >their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the >new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. > >The whole idea is to offer incentive to get this thing off the ground. > >If anyone/everyone interested agrees, let's do it. Put me down for >$30, and I'll organize who wants in. But we need to get some prices >on this tool. > >Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 19:43:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25929; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09036 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09459 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA02685; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808112303.TAA02685@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Jon S.) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001201bdc58b$0455cda0$d74337a6@default> from "Jon S." at Aug 11, 98 05:49:07 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Gil wrote: > > Also guilty,but I ain't Catholic.Just after I got the S1 broke in > >I met up with a squid on an FZR6 on the Beltway.Gave him a lesson > >in mid-range-torque. > > Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your bike have? > 8^) > Right. If you want to deal with something in over-1000-cc class, I willbe obliged to deliver. Knowing Tom G he will also assist.... > Jon > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 20:22:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26095; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09354 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10009 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id TAA11834; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:41:23 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa10966; Tue, 11 Aug 98 19:39:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXJ008DSTJ4XQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525665D.00817E28 ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:34:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:32:42 -0400 Subject: Re: SUZUKI Fuel Pump Problems To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525665D.00815717.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Does the TLR really take a different seat than the std TL? I would think that would be a part they wouldn't change .... Just curious, chris To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Date: 08/11/98 09:33:36 PM GMT Subject: SUZUKI Fuel Pump Problems --snip-- And any TL owners have any experience with the suzuki gel seat? its about $80 cheaper than corbin(who doesnt even make one for the R yet). ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 21:08:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26636; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09561 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10779 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01003; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:24:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Anita Lauro cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: RE: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When is the next ride? sounds like fun... well except the water part -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:51 PM, Todd Peer > [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Anita thinks rain cloths > > are silly, so she just got wet :) > > No, I don't think rain gear is silly... just hadn't needed it until this > weekend! :-) > > But, after I chose Route 11 North rather than ride along with you guys I > finally learned the folly of my ways.... six hours of pouring down > rain!!! I don't think I've ever been that soaked before! :-) Worse > part was on Rte 66 near Marshall where I got caught by a severe > thunderstorm... it was raining so hard I couldn't see a d*mn thing, so I > had to take the next exit to wait for it to subside a bit. > > Anyhow, in spite of the rain I had a great time. I should say a special > "Thanks" to Bill and Mona Sowers for leading the "slowpokes" of the > group (myself and a friend of theirs on a Windjammer 750 who actually > rode slower than I did). We did pretty much the same route as the other > folks, but at a "sightseeing pace" (at least on the curves). Actually, > Bill and Mona took the roads at a brisk pace, but waited for us to catch > up at the next intersection. It worked out great. On the straights we > had a little bit of fun... between my GPZ and their FJ we left > Windjammer behind a few times! :-) > > Anyhow, great mix of nice people and fantastic roads... thanks to Kirk > for organizing the trip, and thanks to the rest of the group for not > telling *too* many sheep jokes!!! :-) > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (950 accident free miles and counting) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 21:19:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26688; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09739 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11053 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic92.cais.com [207.226.56.92]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id UAA29966 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01bdc5a2$2aa879a0$5c38e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: tire mount training Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:34:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDC567.7D770F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDC567.7D770F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would also be willing to get an old rim from a scrapyard that we = could use to teach folks (like myself) who have never used one of these = machines, before we try it on our own wheels. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDC567.7D770F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I would=20 also be willing to get an old rim from a scrapyard that we could use to = teach=20 folks (like myself) who have never used one of these machines, before we = try it=20 on our own wheels.
 
Mike = B.
98 ZX=20 900R
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDC567.7D770F60-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 21:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27061; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10034 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11543 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA29227; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:06:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.110.28]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812010632.VUFM24844@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:06:32 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "CBR List" , "HSTA" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: 98 TT Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:06:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc58d$700861a0$1c6e29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little (taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 21:52:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27087; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10047 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11565 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27230 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) In-Reply-To: <4dd6b25e.35d0b472@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm.. In addition to vandalism, I hope that loser gets charged with a misdemeanor for violating the non-smoking ordinance... -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 22:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27208; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10109 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11748 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02828; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808120120.VAA02828@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Jon S.) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <007f01bdc58f$7f935880$d74337a6@default> from "Jon S." at Aug 11, 98 06:21:12 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Todd, count me in for the tire machine. I can chip in whatever it takes to > get one. > > Jon Schumer since I started this whole idea... count me in, please. _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 22:31:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27432; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10238 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12116 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02882; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808120151.VAA02882@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: tire mount training To: wowbager@XXXXXX (Mike B.) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001b01bdc5a2$2aa879a0$5c38e2cf@wowbager> from "Mike B." at Aug 11, 98 08:34:51 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > I would also be willing to get an old rim from a scrapyard that we = > could use to teach folks (like myself) who have never used one of these = > machines, before we try it on our own wheels. > > Mike B. > 98 ZX 900R > maybe 2 or 3..... there is much more uneducated riders then bike experts.... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... PS: Mike, can you disable http attachments ? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 11 23:12:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27750; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10464 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12654 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA13731; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D12975.3FC6@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:34:45 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:18 EDT, Sean G. Petr opined: > I might be wrong, > but it just seems ironic. I mean, to get a bike, to be more free... then only > to find that your own kind wont accept you because you arent all wrapped up. The problem here Sean is that you assume all bikers are alike. As I've been telling my nine-year-old for years: "People are different." I used to be more tolerant about your attitude I guess, but not anymore. I've seen too much shit happen since I started riding bikes 27 years ago. > My point -- why disciminate, or even judge someone cause of the way they dress > when riding. Why? Because as someone pointed out (Gil maybe? D-mode here folks :) there is a camraderie that has developed here on group rides, a sharing/caring dynamic which manifests itself in small and large ways. I guess everyone that is _serious_ about engaging themselves in this milieu - at least the people I know here best - feels that it would not be fair to place undue burden or responsibility on their fellow riders in the event of an unfortunate incident. And, just how might this responsibility manifest itself you may ask? Well for starters, seeing someone who is not all "wrapped up", bleeding and writhing in pain from having their hide scraped against asphalt or concrete for 100 feet after a fall. Your riding comrades will, in all likelihood, feel a "meta-responsibility" for your condition in such an accident. Yet even then some might not want to go near you, bloody and all, since it was completely preventable and who knows if you're HIV+ or not, etc.... How would you feel if people you were riding with actually walked away from you uncaringly after such an event?? But if you are so wedded to your individualistic position, why should that matter to you...? And, had someone with sufficient courage told that under-dressed person from the get-go that their outwardly manifested behaviour is actually _worrying_ others, then just maybe that person might have either: 1) Agreed, and quickly returned home to dress appropriately or, 2) Popped everyone the bird and drove off on his/her own... Either option would satisfy the group since the first would reinforce behaviour more in keeping with the wishes of the majority, and the second would not place responsibility (of any kind - meta or otherwise) should that rider suffer an unfortunate incident.... C'est la guerre. Maybe another tack I might take in trying to explicate this thorny thread (and I for one don't really care how long this gets talked about, because I _know_ it will come up again - at least until it gets cooler outside ;) is to point out the contrast between individualistic vs. communitarian ways of thinking. In the specific example we're talking about, an individualistically-oriented person will make remarks similar to yours cited above - freedom etc... But, I am willing to argue, when you engage in a communal activity - no matter what it is actually - you will generally absorb and display the overall behaviours of the group. If you don't you'll be ostracized or shunned. Imagine going to a dinner with new friends and you start behaving like John Belushi in Animal House (you get the picture...) Same deal with some of the rides on DC-Cycles AFAIC Like I said, I think this issue will come up again. Now on a more personal note: I had a mishap the other day. _Everyone_ came to see if I was OK. Why? Because I was part of that communal activity (such concern would have been displayed for each and everyone of us). I was wearing full leathers and a decent helmet. I walked away. Everyone was relieved. Had I not been "wrapped up" it would have been far worse and my fellow riders might have been faced with the really negative spectacle of having to see me bloody, sprawled out in front of them, thereby ruining _their_ day. See, at base it's really existential! "Ask yourself, what if everyone acted that way?" Yeah OK, in an individualistic world that's OK. But you can't have it both ways. You can't be individualistic and want to partake/engage in a group at the same time. That is, as Marx would say, a "contradiction" and contradictions do not make an authentic person. Moral of the story? Don't wear a helmet or leathers for yourself on group rides. Do it for everyone else so that they don't have to witness you being hurt any more than you _have_ to be should a mishap befall you. Think of it as "communal individualism" maybe. When you ride by yourself I don't give a FF what you wear. I don't have to see you if you get an accident. When you ride with others, they are _forced_ to see that. Spare them from feeling for your pain if it's avoidable and preventable. That's not a cramp in your freedom. That's called caring in a responsible fashion about your friends/comrades. Yours in quasi-existentialist philosophical rambling, JK N.B. Sean, I've never seen anyone on this list discriminated against for riding a sport bike. They usually get most of the approving glances - especially if they know how to ride them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:14:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28573; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10866 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13461 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WSDKa19317 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:30:52 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <975f0696.35d10c6d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:30:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-11 19:52:46 EDT, you write: << Right. If you want to deal with something in over-1000-cc class, I willbe obliged to deliver. Knowing Tom G he will also assist... >> Id be happy to assist in any way I can as well. My TL just LOVES low and midrange contests ; ). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:18:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28721; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10877 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13498 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA15119; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Frank Artes Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <35d90c05.302623494@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:24:15 -0400 (EDT), Frank Artes wrote: >When is the next ride? sounds like fun... well except the water part Heck, the water was the best part! :-) =20 Gave me the opportunity to convince all the cagers on Rte 11 from Natural Bridge to Staunton that motorcyclists really ARE crazy! :-) Side note... had a conversation with my brother who, I'm ashamed to admit, has a Harley in his garage that he never rides: Brother: It was raining? [Gasp!] What did you do? Anita: I rode in it... how the hell else was I going to get home? He went on to say that he had never ridden in the rain, and from the way he was going on about it, I think he thought there was some physical impossibility to the feat. As for why he has the Harley, I can't figure it out. He had a BSA (that he didn't ride) and he sold it to buy the Sportster (that he doesn't ride). =20 Maybe we're not really related! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (3150 miles since 6/26, rain or shine!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:19:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28734; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10881 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13507 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf173.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.173]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA21525 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006401bdc5a2$73664d20$43b1fea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Anyone here riding an FJ1100 or FJ1200? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:36:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Curious if anyone here owns one of these beasts. We are getting together to order in bulk the Valve Bucket tool which seems to be hard to get. The more we get, the easier it will be. If you need info, visit http://www.fj1100.com Thanks. gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:30:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28852; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10930 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13681 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup4.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EXK00K5058J2B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:48:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:45:51 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <005201bdc5bc$da41a2a0$044c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Dale wrote: >Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >and far between. I didn't know that the Concours was limited production......... well, I could say a whole lot about your "rare" bike, but I don't want to get too personal. We could argue forever. Everyone has their own outlook on other people. Yours seems to be a little more close minded, opinionated, and snooty. Now I know where you stand. Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your "rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a "real rider" in action. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: Jon S. Cc: DC Cycles List Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >Jon S. wrote: >> >> Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so much >> better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" > >Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >and far between. > >> and that your "fullface, >> leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you >> better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. > >I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. >These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of >raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em >ride like that in December. Brr. > >>If your so much >> better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? > >I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. >I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike >is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:37:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28892; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11004 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13771 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:53:08 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:52:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdc5a4$adbb8ce0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28DF@MSCEX> Importance: Normal While it's a bit out of the way, there's a place in Ohio I called while on vacation on the Wing. They had the tire I needed, in stock, and were willing to mount it that day for only $15. Can't remember the price of the tire (think it was about $120, which is around $15 more than mail order, but throw in shipping and handling...) Maybe I'll head out there to get the front tire done. As good an excuse for a ride as I can think of. Hmm.... I'll have to check the distance. Out there, swap tire, come back. Could be an IBA run... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:40:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28902; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11013 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13813 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:56:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:55:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdc5a5$1bedffe0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19980811185852.RYZZ13385@[166.41.242.141]> Importance: Normal I'm in. $30. More if needed. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:42:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28926; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11142 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13845 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:58:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Michael Troutman" , Subject: RE: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:57:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdc5a5$63900320$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980811153709.009f0100@www.troutman.org> Importance: Normal As a smoker and a biker, I gotta say that bastard got exactly what he deserved. Before I smoked, I hated the smoke stench. Still do, to be honest. I try to be decent about it. Screw him for being a prick. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:46:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28947; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11538 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13880 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:01:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: 98 TT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bdc5a5$e82ed160$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <000001bdc58d$700861a0$1c6e29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Importance: Normal Do you have a way to dub tapes? Sadly, Jones doesn't have speedvision here. Gotta make way for Home and Garden TV, I suppose. (BTW, do we really need CNN, CNN HN, and MSNBC????) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 00:58:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29063; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11766 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14132 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA07862; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:15:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: George Howell cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: <000101bdc4bc$97c1d400$0100a8c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: [snips] > Any good way to check runout on rims? > Clamp a dial gauge to a stand; move it to "almost touching" wheel; spin wheel. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 01:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29229; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12001 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14387 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08703; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:34:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:33:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001201bdc58b$0455cda0$d74337a6@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jon S. wrote: > Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your bike have? 74 cui. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 01:27:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29318; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12066 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14446 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6GBTa27698; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9b63f800.35d11db3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:44:30 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 poetic justice at its finest! Bummer about the guy's bike though. I dread the thought of someone knocking my bike over or doing any other type of vandalism (burning it comes to mind :( especially over something so stupid! I've actually had some riders of a particular brand of bike (I won't say what kind but the initials are Harley Davidson... oops!) speak of burning Jap bikes. I'd much rather get in a fight with someone and get the sh*t beaten out of me then get my bike damaged. Call me strange, but my bike can't defend itself. It's cowardice to attack property. Anyway, I hope the asshole gets what he deserves!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "Lost Puppy" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 01:29:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29334; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12105 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14456 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08749; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:44:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:38:48 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <975f0696.35d10c6d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > << Right. If you want to deal with something in over-1000-cc class, I > willbe obliged to deliver. Knowing Tom G he will also assist... >> > Id be happy to assist in any way I can as well. My TL just LOVES low and > midrange contests ; ). Right.I'll take you all on.Of course,since this is a midrange contest (I won't even try top-end racing fully faired bikes with a nudie) we'll all limit our engines to say,5k rpm?That's mid-range right? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 02:48:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00226; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12655 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15256 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.53]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:04:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:04:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc5b7$01aacde0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Geez. I don't know if the ZL600 will even move if you try to start it at less than 5k. :) Wonder if somebody has a GL1500C for this contest. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 07:40:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03995; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15587 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00865 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:58:07 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525665E.003CDA37 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:04:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Jon S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.003C7777.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:04:37 -0400 Subject: Re: POCONO RACES --- Please Read Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline We haven't found a place to stay yet(anyone have any ideas?) These are some numbers I have for motels in the area. The numbers are a few years old, but I would guess they are still valid. Pocono Mountain Lodge - 717-443-8461 Days Inn - 717-443-0391 Ramada - 717-443-8471 Mt. Laurel Lodge 717-443-4811 Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 08:27:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04634; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15763 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19117 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18067 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:44:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles to Princeton, WV Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:44:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I knew it would happen. I wish I had heard you talking about just going up US 11. I remember hearing the weather in Elkins as raining heavily. I figured it was heading east that's why I suggested we head towards Charlottesville where the sun was out. :-) Anyhow, glad you made it home OK. We didn't see anymore rain, just some wet roads. Glenn > But, after I chose Route 11 North rather than ride along with you guys I > finally learned the folly of my ways.... six hours of pouring down > rain!!! I don't think I've ever been that soaked before! :-) Worse > part was on Rte 66 near Marshall where I got caught by a severe > thunderstorm... it was raining so hard I couldn't see a d*mn thing, so I > had to take the next exit to wait for it to subside a bit. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 08:43:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04793; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15854 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19324 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:00:04 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 12 Aug 1998 07:59:58 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 12 Aug 1998 07:59:58 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0030F35D183BE011-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0030F35D183BE011 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0030F35D183BE011*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:59:58 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires Message-Id: <0030F35D183BE011*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Count me in as well. ---------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 08:43:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04794; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15850 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19311 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:59:22 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 12 Aug 1998 07:59:19 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 12 Aug 1998 07:59:19 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0030F35D18397004-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0030F35D18397004 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0030F35D18397004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:59:19 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: dc-cycles (IPM Return requested), "John C. Kozyn" (IPM Return requested) cc: "CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] Message-Id: <0030F35D18397004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> John, Very well put! I agree 100%. Hopefully others will agree as well. Don B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 08:45:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04831; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15861 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19382 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18873 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: 3-day trip..? did they survive WV Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:03:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Super-squids? That's the pot calling the kettle black! :-) Glenn > I'm kinda curious to find out if everyone actually made it through the > trip... or did super-squids Glen and Craig wad each others bikes doing > mach 13 on a gravely backroad.. (ok, mach 11 for Geln on the V30 - > smaller engine and all) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 09:05:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05025; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15971 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19728 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p7dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.39]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA30871 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <020801bdc5ec$4eb9e000$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:25:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 M Street in Georgetown sounds like a good road for Gil and Jack to have their little contest, doesn't it? ;-D -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights >In a message dated 98-08-11 19:52:46 EDT, you write: > ><< Right. If you want to deal with something in over-1000-cc class, I > willbe obliged to deliver. Knowing Tom G he will also assist... >> > >Id be happy to assist in any way I can as well. My TL just LOVES low and >midrange contests ; ). > >Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 09:16:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05102; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16029 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19907 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p7dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.39]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA30442; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01fc01bdc5ea$257cd8c0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: 98 TT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:09:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Nothin' like motorcycle racing in the rain :-< ....it seems strange to me that they went ahead with it in those conditions. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Tanner To: CBR List ; HSTA ; Dc-Cycles Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:03 PM Subject: 98 TT >For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and >will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little >(taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective >racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 09:36:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05461; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16588 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20246 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6aQb-00064z-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:54:57 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C539@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:53:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened to me this morning. I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:02:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05796; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17419 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20724 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6apr-00025u-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:21:03 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C53A@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:19:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree as well. It took a female rider friend of mine constantly bitching at me to wear my "damn jacket!!" that finally had me wearing it regularly...I won't say I'm perfect, though, when I go to the gym I don't wear it, but I agree with John, especially on the faster, more challenging rides, to go without protection is tempting fate. Every time someone I know goes down & is ok because of their gear, it further cements my dedication to wearing my leathers. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:59 AM > To: dc-cycles; John C. Kozyn > Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] > > John, > Very well put! I agree 100%. Hopefully others will agree as well. > > Don B. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:04:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05817; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17606 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20770 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:20:28 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:22:45 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: CBMIKE@XXXXXX, drewmunro@XXXXXX, dtsan@XXXXXX, gmachster@XXXXXX, metrocrane@XXXXXX, sirpapa@XXXXXX, TZimm2450@XXXXXX, WALTER.J.KIM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, berlh@XXXXXX, dmunro@XXXXXX, ricker@XXXXXX, mikesgirl2000@XXXXXX, anthony.j.drago@XXXXXX, cendicott@XXXXXX, shirons@XXXXXX, clancwo@XXXXXX, mike_tennyson@XXXXXX, abush@XXXXXX, YSKim@XXXXXX, ludden@XXXXXX, dpalmer@XXXXXX, deniset@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, minimidget@XXXXXX, rhonda@XXXXXX, tom@XXXXXX, tmonahan@XXXXXX, samiller@XXXXXX, jbarbacc@XXXXXX, jmarks@XXXXXX, pwilkins@XXXXXX, scraighi@XXXXXX, szimmerm@XXXXXX, Daniel_Sweet@XXXXXX Subject: Smoker's Rights (mc related) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Dang! Didn't that guy know from all the movies that bikers are homicidal maniacs? Maybe those cigs weren't all tobacco . . . Ah, paybacks. Joe 2 riceburners, an H-D/Aermacchi and a '68 Shovel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:09:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05956; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17786 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20836 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 13:27:21 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11436 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C531@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 30 dollah? Me love you long time.. I'm in. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:14:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06013; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17855 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20947 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:32:29 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTSTa17154 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a1eed92.35d1994c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:31:55 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-12 02:06:36 EDT, you write: << Right.I'll take you all on.Of course,since this is a midrange contest (I won't even try top-end racing fully faired bikes with a nudie) we'll all limit our engines to say,5k rpm?That's mid-range right? ;-) >> Likely story! How about that top end contest tho? To be perfectly honest, Id definitely give you a run for your money in that 0-6000RPM run. What kind of torque does that Buell have? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:17:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06044; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17924 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21019 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:39 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTBa003888 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights- M St Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-12 09:14:53 EDT, you write: << M Street in Georgetown sounds like a good road for Gil and Jack to have their little contest, doesn't it? ;-D >> Been there, done that. Ate up a few 4 cylinders out there. But ever since my "accident" a month ago on M St. Ive kept it rather sane in GTown. Jack PS- actually Id have a problem doing a 0-6000 race from a standing start...the FRONT END WONT STAY DOWN!!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:21:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06085; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18070 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21105 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA13265 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812133929.XNBG24844@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:39:29 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: 98 TT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdc5f6$a0cc1d40$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <01fc01bdc5ea$257cd8c0$3bf31bce@richard> Importance: Normal I haven't watched it all, just pieces. It appears they shortened the main event from 6 laps (37.75 miles each) to 3 and then to 2 because of the rain. I'll post more when I actually see it (assuming anyone is actually interested). LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H. Gimer [mailto:tgimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:10 AM To: Linda Tanner; Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: 98 TT Nothin' like motorcycle racing in the rain :-< ....it seems strange to me that they went ahead with it in those conditions. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Tanner To: CBR List ; HSTA ; Dc-Cycles Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:03 PM Subject: 98 TT >For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and >will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little >(taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective >racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:26:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06131; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18212 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21244 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBKNa04180 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <301957cc.35d19c29@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:44:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool, Was: Cycles USA and tires Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 Im in as well.... Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:33:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06285; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18312 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21396 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:49:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:04 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, hsta@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX Subject: 98 TT -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline How 'bout the sidecar monkey that leaned into the fence and got scrubbed off the rig? Ouch! >>> "Linda Tanner" - 8/11/98 9:06 PM >>> For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little (taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:37:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06326; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18350 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21509 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:56:29 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013AD@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:54:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Umm.. I do believe that most face shield today are UVA/UVB potective.. I know mine are on the Arai (both tint and clear)... why are you putting on sunscreen for a morning ride to work anyway? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:44:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06420; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18617 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21748 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA07106 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:02:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:46:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06443; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18687 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21802 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:41 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: wowbager@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire mount training -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Not a bad idea with the scrap rims, but those changers are pretty gentle, since they use a soft nylon "bit" to remove the tire. You do have to get the tire started with a traditional iron, though. Joe >>> - 8/11/98 9:51 PM >>> > > I would also be willing to get an old rim from a scrapyard that we = > could use to teach folks (like myself) who have never used one of these = > machines, before we try it on our own wheels. > > Mike B. > 98 ZX 900R > maybe 2 or 3..... there is much more uneducated riders then bike experts.... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... PS: Mike, can you disable http attachments ? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:49:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06493; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18858 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21980 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA24179; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812140711.XUVJ24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Distribution@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Mounting Tool Confirmation X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812140711.XUVJ24844@[166.41.242.141]> I confirm you have pledged at least $30 toward the purchase of a tire mounting tool. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:50:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06502; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18884 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21999 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24118 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:06:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:06:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) J, the key is to use sunscreen that is Paba free. Paba is what burns the eyes. I use the Coppertone Sport (in the blue bottle). Its Paba free and is a dry lotion too. So no greasy sunblock and no Paba... what could be better for us fair skinned people? Glenn > I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened > to me this morning. > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair > skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:53:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06541; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18948 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22074 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:29 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone here riding an FJ1100 or FJ1200? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline For that tool, try Dennis Kirk (800-328-9280). Part # 28-271. $15.99. They have a tech support line too. Joe '85 900 Ninja From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:54:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06570; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18978 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22116 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA30699 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812141228.XWEF24844@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:28 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: 98 TT -Reply Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdc5fb$3bed1be0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal That LOOKED painful, but he got up... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. -----Original Message----- From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:52 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cbr@XXXXXX; hsta@XXXXXX; linda.tanner@XXXXXX Subject: 98 TT -Reply How 'bout the sidecar monkey that leaned into the fence and got scrubbed off the rig? Ouch! >>> "Linda Tanner" - 8/11/98 9:06 PM >>> For anyone who has Speedvision and hasn't seen this race, it's on now and will be repeated in the middle of the night. I just watched a little (taping the rest) and they are going over the injuries of the prospective racers. WOOHOO - These guys are dedicated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 10:58:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06628; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19027 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22192 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC8F@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Hmmm, my glasses fit inside with my melon. Darkened, tinted shield (I know, $50) keeps the sun off, and you look more menacing when people can't see your mug. Add a radar gun and a big box of doughnuts, and people will think you're a moving speed trap. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:53 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Surprise Hazard... > > I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened > to me this morning. > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair > skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:02:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06698; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19274 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22294 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:17:47 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:20:21 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: sbeck@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: POCONO RACES --- Please Read -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Ad in Motorcyclist: For tickets and info: 800-939-9372 or www.formulausa.com. Joe >>> - 8/12/98 7:04 AM >>> We haven't found a place to stay yet(anyone have any ideas?) These are some numbers I have for motels in the area. The numbers are a few years old, but I would guess they are still valid. Pocono Mountain Lodge - 717-443-8461 Days Inn - 717-443-0391 Ramada - 717-443-8471 Mt. Laurel Lodge 717-443-4811 Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:17:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06946; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19905 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22743 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:41:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:32 AM, WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] wrote: > Likely story! How about that top end contest tho? > To be perfectly honest, Id definitely give you a run for your money in that > 0-6000RPM run. What kind of torque does that Buell have? Okay, okay... if we can make it 0-4000 rpm, I'm definitely in! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:19:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06992; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19928 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22772 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA09322; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:37:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812143704.YCJU24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:37:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Gary Foreman" CC: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Anyone here riding an FJ1100 or FJ1200? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812143704.YCJU24844@[166.41.242.141]> What valve bucket tool are you looking for? If it is the tool with a little suction cup on the end of it, forget it...use your thumb and forfinger to pull on the bucket. Make sure all oil journals are closed off and anywhere else a shim might fall into, and just pull up on the bucket. Keep a magnet around to retrieve the shim if needed. Todd Message-ID: <006401bdc5a2$73664d20$43b1fea9@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Anyone here riding an FJ1100 or FJ1200? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:36:50 -0400 Curious if anyone here owns one of these beasts. We are getting together to order in bulk the Valve Bucket tool which seems to be hard to get. The more we get, the easier it will be. If you need info, visit http://www.fj1100.com Thanks. gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:21:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07009; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19950 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22791 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:39:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:54 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More info on cheap motor oil... Per Matt Bennett's suggestion, I visited the Target in Bowie (MD) at the intersection of Routes 50 and 301 yesterday evening. They currently stock "race-proven, fully synthetic" 15W50 Mobil 1 motor oil for $3.19 a quart. No, they're not having a sale on it either; that's the regular price. They have Castrol's Syntec too, but it's $3.34 per quart. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:25:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07072; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20019 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibmmail.COM (known ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22867 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 1777 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:43:15 EDT Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:42:48 EDT Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525665E.00510E51 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:45:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.005063D5.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:41:54 -0400 Subject: Tire changing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I am not known to most of the list as I usually lurk, but I have a need/interest in the tire changing equipment. I do all my own wrenching on my Sportster and and now the Wife's Shadow (bought from Aki), but I have not done tires. And at $40.00 per wheel (off the bike already) I need to learn. So if the equipement will be in the No. Va area, count me in...... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:30:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07131; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20068 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22970 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA08486 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:48:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool In-Reply-To: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm in as well. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:34:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07158; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20135 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23052 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA32700; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812145201.XMND13385@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:52:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Jon S." CC: DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812145201.XMND13385@[166.41.242.141]> See what Jon doesn't understand is that not even a year ago, Dale listed all the things he felt were totally outside of what a motorcycle should be, digital guages, big pieces of plastic, lack of kick starters,....and on. Now Dale is riding one of these blasphamous machines! Get him on a real sport bike, and I'm sure he'll change the tune. Come on Jon! Dale is confessing to being a squid-baiter, and you're falling right for it! ;) Todd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:45:51 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <005201bdc5bc$da41a2a0$044c37a6@default> Dale wrote: >Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >and far between. I didn't know that the Concours was limited production......... well, I could say a whole lot about your "rare" bike, but I don't want to get too personal. We could argue forever. Everyone has their own outlook on other people. Yours seems to be a little more close minded, opinionated, and snooty. Now I know where you stand. Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your "rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a "real rider" in action. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: Jon S. Cc: DC Cycles List Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >Jon S. wrote: >> >> Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so much >> better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" > >Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >and far between. > >> and that your "fullface, >> leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you >> better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. > >I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. >These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of >raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em >ride like that in December. Brr. > >>If your so much >> better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? > >I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. >I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike >is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:38:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07238; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20203 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23136 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.57]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:53:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc600$fb3e36a0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C539@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Don't use sunscreen under the helmet for that reason. Face shields usually block the UV, so you don't burn. As far as eyes go, I have to get mine dilated today to check for retinal tears. No bike for me today (First wednesday in a long time sans bike) Why no bike? If I get my eyes dilated at 2:00, they might not have gone back to normal until 8:00 or so this evening:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:42:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07297; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20365 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23333 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26348 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:57:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:57:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well I guess you guys have heard most of the story so far. It was an excellent ride on Sunday (except for John) despite the rain on the way down Saturday and the torrential downpour coming back. We saw many very twisty roads that you can only dream of. All the people were great, local and DC Cycle people. I especially want to thank Kirk for organizing this thing. Without his help I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as fun. I also want to thank Craig for doing most of the leading (except that he bypassed one section of good road) :-). I also want to thank Steve for always staying in the back to make sure everyone makes it. Saturday as you know we met in Marshall and took our usual routes over to I-81. Along the way it just had to rain on the good section of US 211. I almost turned around but someone said "It can't rain all three days"...yeah right! Anyhow we made it to Princeton in the early evening and ordered Pizza and had beer and shooting the crap before calling it quits. Sunday we awoke to sunny skies and after I washed the bike we were met by the two Bills. Bill N led the faster paced group until he had to recover John's bike. Craig took over from there. All I can say is what a fantastic spot in the eastern US for riding. Just about every road we went on had 15, 25, 30, and 35 MPH turns. I was able to scrub in my new rear tire real quick. As the day went on we finally met up with Bill N again waiting to take us on more fine roads before having an excellent dinner. Tom G. pealed off to save his tire for Monday which was going to be another great ride. Anyhow, Bill kept giving people the opportunity to peal off at different stopping points. Craig and I couldn't get enough as we rode till dark and then headed back to the hotel to find everyone having a good time. Monday we awoke to a good downpour which made the hotel look like it had waterfalls. After waiting an hour past our departure time we bagged our original plans to go the scenic route and headed straight for I-81. By the time we were on I-81 for about 10 miles is was drying out. We stopped briefly and I recommended to the group that we keep heading east and avoid the rain. Apparently my thoughts were right as per Anita's message. It was a good weekend. If it hadn't rained it would have been nearly perfect (excluding John's mishap). I want to get down there again soon and enjoy some of the roads that were wet or that we bypassed due to the rain. Lets get the October trip planned. Oh and how could I forget the bikes... I rode Kirk's hawk. Nice handling bike. That thing can shoot through any curves. I also rode Bruce's VFR. I have got to have one of those! I didn't get a chance to ride Tom's ZX-11. I figured I wait till he had that new rear tire on. :0. And I would have lover to ride that beautiful ZX-9R. That was one fine looking bike. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:42:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07306; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20384 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23361 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525665E.00531D73 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:07:50 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.005307B1.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:07:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You can count me in too. We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:45:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07349; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20480 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23495 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJYEa26053 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <783181f4.35d1aeac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tire mounting tool Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-08-11 15:54:37 EDT, you write: > Now, it gets even better. The more people that want to use the tool > outside of the original investors, pay the same amount of money to > use the tool. But since the tool is paid for, the extra money is > distributed among the ORIGINAL investors only, effectively bringing > their buy in price down even more. The buy in would still allow the > new user to use the tool whenever they wanted. > Count me in as an initial investor. I'd like to throw out an idea here though. Nobody's investing much and it looks like we'll have enough "investors". The thing shouldn't make much anyhow and I doubt that Glenn wants a tremendous number of people coming by to use it anyway. Keeping track of and distributing "profits" would be a pain also. How about donating any proceeds to charity? I think there's a charity for motorcycle neck injury victims. If not, I'm sure that we could find something appropriate. We could let Glenn have the donation receipt for his taxes as thanks for providing space. Thoughts? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:48:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07381; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20517 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23565 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980812140505.27695.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:05:05 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hmmm...I don't think that you quite answered the question in a term that everyone can translate.... 74 cui = ?? Also....you may want to re-consider your litte statement...."Right, I'll take you all on"...Do you realize what your getting in for???? 5K rpm..on a straight Road??? like a roll on in top-gear??? Or do you want a lower gear ??? ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jon S. wrote: > > Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your bike have? > > 74 cui. ;-) > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 Fat Boy (soon) > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:51:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07447; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20583 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23741 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08810; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666A8@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:08:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain forgot to pipe up... only here for another year, but I'm good for the $30.. besides, if I stay with this outfit, I'm bound to be back here in a few years. Collin (not to mention, if I get a street bike going this century, I have a tendency to go through tires far too quickly :)) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:57 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. > > > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 11:57:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07533; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20670 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23883 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA09106 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:15:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812151513.XUUF13385@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:15:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812151513.XUUF13385@[166.41.242.141]> I posted the DC-cycles address to a private list confirming a pledge for the tire mounting tool. If you got it and didn't pledge, ignore the message. On a different note, we now have 17 people that want in. Send me a note if you haven't already to tell me you also want access to a tire mounting machine for $30. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 12:01:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07610; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20774 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24033 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6cgA-0000Vx-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:19:10 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C54D@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:06:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I don't usually have the faceshield down all that much, it gets too hot! Sunscreen is good combat against wrinkles... : ) > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:54 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... > > Umm.. I do believe that most face shield today are UVA/UVB potective.. > I > know mine are on the Arai (both tint and clear)... why are you putting > on sunscreen for a morning ride to work anyway? > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my > eyes, so I > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one > street > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY > that I > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since > I was > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what > would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 12:08:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07810; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20909 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24291 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:27:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFLUa27698 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8bbf5362.35d1b40f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:26:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Surprise Hazard... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/12/98 9:45:50 AM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: << but what would've happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed?>> scary - but I imagine you'd pull over and wipe your eyes................... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 12:19:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08018; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21030 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24654 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.95] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA16175; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00bf01bdc606$62db8920$5f73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:32:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 A quick surf of http://www.dealerequipment.com shows rim clamp tire machines running from $3000 to $6000. Yeowch! http://www.autoequipmentcity.com sells used & reconditioned equipment, but lists no models & prices. Bruce >We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the >tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > >Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? >Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > >Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 12:45:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08419; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21556 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25446 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p19dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.51]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06524; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: <028901bdc60b$156c4940$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:05:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Yeah. F*ck charity. Give your own money away, not mine. -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 11:56 AM Subject: Tire mounting tool >Count me in as an initial investor. > >I'd like to throw out an idea here though. Nobody's investing much and it >looks like we'll have enough "investors". The thing shouldn't make much >anyhow and I doubt that Glenn wants a tremendous number of people coming by to >use it anyway. Keeping track of and distributing "profits" would be a pain >also. How about donating any proceeds to charity? I think there's a charity >for motorcycle neck injury victims. If not, I'm sure that we could find >something appropriate. We could let Glenn have the donation receipt for his >taxes as thanks for providing space. Thoughts? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:02:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08783; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21792 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26014 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:20:22 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNYEa04161 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:19:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter -roll ons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-12 11:57:49 EDT, you write: << like a roll on in top-gear??? >> Craig and I both know that the TL has some of the best roll on times of ANY bike out there. I wouldnt advise a roll on contest against a TL unless you plan on losing. Not hyping my own machine, just telling the truth. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:09:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08866; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21841 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26215 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC91@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:31:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain There are approximately 61.02 cubic inches per liter, and exactly 1000 cc's per liter, so... 74 cubic inches / 61.02 cubic inches per liter = 1.212717141921 liter * 1000cc's per liter = 1213 cc's > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:05 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter > > hmmm...I don't think that you quite answered the question in a term > that everyone can translate.... > 74 cui = ?? > Also....you may want to re-consider your litte statement...."Right, > I'll take you all on"...Do you realize what your getting in for???? > > 5K rpm..on a straight Road??? > like a roll on in top-gear??? > Or do you want a lower gear ??? > > > > > > > ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jon S. wrote: > > > Hey, pick on a bike your own size. How many cc's does your > bike have? > > > > 74 cui. ;-) > > > > > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > > > '98 Fat Boy (soon) > > > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:11:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08891; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21862 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26295 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:28:55 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC92@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, I'm in for $30. Just don't try to collect next week -- I'll be trying hard to suffer in Daytona Beach. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 11:14 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting > > I posted the DC-cycles address to a private list confirming a pledge > for the tire mounting tool. If you got it and didn't pledge, ignore > the message. > > On a different note, we now have 17 people that want in. > > Send me a note if you haven't already to tell me you also want access > to a tire mounting machine for $30. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:18:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09032; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21902 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26482 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00786 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'David Wakefield'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: More info on cheap motor oil... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hmmm, I wonder why different Targets have different prices? Doesn't make too much sense with such a large chain. Did you buy some or just see the price? Maybe its an old price on the shelf. BTW the Target I went by is brand spanking new. Glenn > Per Matt Bennett's suggestion, I visited the Target in Bowie (MD) at the > intersection of Routes 50 and 301 yesterday evening. > > They currently stock "race-proven, fully synthetic" 15W50 Mobil 1 motor > oil for $3.19 a quart. No, they're not having a sale on it either; that's > the > regular price. > > They have Castrol's Syntec too, but it's $3.34 per quart. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:23:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09155; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21935 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26579 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 261; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1C5A4.2F6AA9DE@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. References: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in. $30 will pay for itself on the second tire change. Horkster Todd Peer wrote: > > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:24:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09179; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21944 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26614 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980812150126.8581.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:26 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Gil's challange/motor size To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 74.000 cu inch [in3] equivalent to: 1212.6380 cu centimetre [cm3 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:26:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09200; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21954 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26660 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00906 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:41:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I'm willing to cough up more then $30 should the need arise. I'm good for up to $100. IMO, any extra money (for those that don't become initial investors) should be used for buying wheels weights, valve stems and maintenance to the mounter. And possibly the extra money could be used for a good balancer or improved mounter. Glenn > I posted the DC-cycles address to a private list confirming a pledge > for the tire mounting tool. If you got it and didn't pledge, ignore > the message. > > On a different note, we now have 17 people that want in. > > Send me a note if you haven't already to tell me you also want access > to a tire mounting machine for $30. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:30:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09269; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21975 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26844 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6e0D-0000FK-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:43:57 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:42:44 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C558@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:42:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ...tried it, didn't work. I had to wait 'till I could wash the stuff off! = : O > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 11:26 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Surprise Hazard... > > In a message dated 8/12/98 9:45:50 AM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: > > << but what would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed?>> > > scary - but I imagine you'd pull over and wipe your > eyes................... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:41:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09640; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22129 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27406 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 250; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:59:20 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1C9FE.7B3870D3@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:59:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "Jon S." , DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <19980812145201.XMND13385@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > See what Jon doesn't understand is that not even a year ago, > Dale listed all the things he felt were totally outside of what a > motorcycle should be, digital guages, big pieces of plastic, lack of > kick starters,....and on. > > Now Dale is riding one of these blasphamous machines! Yeah, I'll probably never live that down. Actually, for what I ride, the Concours is pretty low tech. Carbs, vacuum petcock, no EFI, no ABS, nothing fancy. Design hasn't changed much since '86, a big selling point for me. I still would have rather spent money on a new shaft drive standard type bike - but no-one makes 'em anymore. :-( For what it's worth, though, the Concours has let me ride when I want to ride, and not have to spend all my weekends fixing things. I hope that continues for a long long time. > Get him on a > real sport bike, and I'm sure he'll change the tune. Now waitaminit here. If getting on a "real" sport bike involves ditching my leather jacket, boots, gloves, and spraypainting 8 bazillion frightening neon colors on my single color fullface helmet and then riding around like an asshole, I'm not interested. Now, if I can keep my leathers and stuff, and still ride around like an asshole, I might be interested. :) Oh, wait, yeah, that's what I do now... :) > Come on Jon! Dale is confessing to being a squid-baiter, and you're > falling right for it! ;) > Shhh, Todd, this is fun! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 13:45:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09743; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22190 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11660 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA18198; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: Peter Hartzler cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Peter Hartzler wrote: > Hmm.. > > In addition to vandalism, I hope that loser gets charged with a > misdemeanor for violating the non-smoking ordinance... > > -ph I've heard it so many times that I'm willing to bet it's just an urban legend. Though it is a good story. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750 (for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10190; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22461 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28185 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 260 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:20:54 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1CF0C.7BF7EF77@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <005201bdc5bc$da41a2a0$044c37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon wrote: > Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your > "rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a > "real rider" in action. Don't blink, because you might be left behind. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:25:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11146; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23361 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29293 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA14156; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:43:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-16.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.80) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014102; Wed Aug 12 12:43:18 1998 Message-ID: <35D1D312.619@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:26 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xl-list@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New 1999 Buells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcycle Online has an article on the new 1999 Buells, including the new Lightning which is fuel injected. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/99models.html -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11277; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23432 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29782 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525665E.00629157 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:56:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.006044E9.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:56:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Yo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Did you spend monday night in Blacksburg? Curiosity and all that... Kirk The rain was making my bike run extremely rough. I didn't feel safe with the way it was surging on me. It felt like the rear end could have stepped out on me at any time. I was going to get a room in Blacksburg but then decided to just rent a truck and drive back home. Bought a set of tie downs at the auto parts store next to the rental place and had the bike loaded up and was back on the road within 20 minutes of splitting off from you guys. I came up 81 all the way to 66 and home. Got back a little after 3pm. Hit torrential downpours most of the way home which made me glad that I rented the truck. Went and replaced the back tire yesterday. The old one was paper thin and was showing a three inch section of cords. Can you say "Holy lack of traction Batman"? In any case it was still a good weekend and I had a great time. Thanks for all your hard work in planning a super trip. Looking forward to the next one. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:35:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11322; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23502 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29911 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA03911 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1D66C.8FFB9094@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:52:44 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <19980812140505.27695.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig wrote: > > hmmm...I don't think that you quite answered the question in a term > that everyone can translate.... > 74 cui = ?? According to the table at http://www.execpc.com/~wallin/convert/ 74 cu. in. is approximately equal to 89700000 grains 15000 drops 1200 milliliters 1200 Cubic Centimeters 340 drachm (Brit. Fluid) 328 dram 246 Teaspoon 82 Tablespoon 44 Fluid ounce 12 deciliters 11 gills 5.5 Cup 2.7 Pint 1.4 Quart 1.2 Liter 0.34 Gallon 0.27 Imperial gallon 0.14 pecks 0.12 dekaliters 0.067 bucket (Brit. dry) 0.043 Cubic Feet 0.034 bushels 0.0109 barrels (liquid) 0.0105 barrels (US dry) 0.00268 cord feet 0.00158 cu yard 0.00121 Cubic Meters 0.00033 cords or 0.000000983 Acre-Feet > Also....you may want to re-consider your litte statement...."Right, > I'll take you all on"...Do you realize what your getting in for???? I'd listen to Craig on this one, he knows whereof he speaks. Leon - From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:49:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11560; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23745 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00733 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id LAA23608 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:04:37 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:04:37 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dale Horstman , Todd Peer Cc: "Jon S." , DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:05:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I still would have rather spent money on a new shaft drive >standard type bike - but no-one makes 'em anymore. :-( Getcherself a GSX1100G. Other than the normal consumables, my total failures in 44K miles are 1 fork seal and 1 blown fuse. Oh yeah - and a dirty horn button (under warranty) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 14:55:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11676; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23824 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01543 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 366; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1DB58.A5AE14A8@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:13:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: Todd Peer , DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > > >I still would have rather spent money on a new shaft drive > >standard type bike - but no-one makes 'em anymore. :-( > > Getcherself a GSX1100G. The operative word there was "new". I was really pissed at my 1978 KZ LTD when I went shopping. I love the GSX, but I didn't want a used bike that time around. Oh well. I'm slowly getting used to all the heat the Concours throws off (actually, it'll be a nice feature this winter!) and with a severely cut down windshield, I don't get any helmet buffetting and wind noise, and I also get a nice stream of air to help me cool in the hot jacket. And I've still got the way hot, way tall windshield for when the weather gets cooler. Year 'round riding in comfort, without the benefit of electrics. :) I guess the Concours is a keeper. Besides, I'll have "too many miles" on it to sell it at any kind of a decent price. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:02:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11778; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23900 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01832 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05259 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980812182227.15315.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1c; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:22:27 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: I also want > to thank Craig for doing most of the leading (except that he bypassed one > section of good road) :-). Oh..here we go....I led down unknown roads for what 175-200 miles at a brisk pace that kept the group happy yet somewhat together and skip a "little" section of road (10-20 mi.) and I'm still hearing shit about it... ;~)... The offer is still there , If you want to lead come on up front and go for it.... :-O just don't complain about me being in your mirror's.....dooohh _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:03:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11792; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23907 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01894 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05533 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BIQa029473; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2fac6a32.35d1dc51@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:17:52 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Count me in also. Tom T. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:08:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11870; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23960 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02152 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08129 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA15779 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808121825.OAA15779@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:24:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Tire Mounting stuffs. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I searched on the net for some tire mounting info... Not sure any of this is relevant, but: http://www.rma.org/tireinfo.html http://alutia.micapeak.com/WetLeather/pages/tiremount.html http://www.truklink.com/14/techbull/14b00011.htm http://www.performancemarket.com/tireeq.htm http://www.dir.ca.gov/dir/os&h/oshsb/Tire.html -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:12:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11982; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24029 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02330 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05725 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:30:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'CBR600twt@XXXXXX'" , Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:29:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I've found a few places on the web too. I've called one place and left a message since no price was listed. Here are the places I've been: http://www.performancemarket.com/tireeq.htm http://www.hunter.com/ http://www.hennessy-ind.com/mount.html#5030 http://www.butler-eng.com/Site_Eng/classic.htm http://www.bodyshopexpo.com/pten/fcorghi.htm Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX [SMTP:CBR600twt@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 2:18 PM > To: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hey I F-d up! - Tire Mounting > > Count me in also. > > Tom T. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:29:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12381; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24309 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15692 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:47:47 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525665E.0067DC0C ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:54:25 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.0067AD77.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:54:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline 89700000 grains Cool. The next time someone asks me what size bike I have I can tell them 89 million 700 thousand grains. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:42:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12597; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24512 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03357 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:55:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:56:48 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Folks, "Yeowch!" is right--but I know that a K&L like we used at my former employer ain't no 3 grand. I found an old "Dealernews" Buyer's Guide (Dec. '94) and they list the address and phones: K&L Supply Co., 1040 Richard Ave, Santa Clara CA 95050, 408-727-6767. They might only sell dealer direct, so I guess I'd do one of two things: If someone out there had a business with a "tax number," maybe they'd sell to you. Or, go to your favorite dealer, one where they know you, and ask them to help you get one. Perhaps you'd have to promise always to buy your and all your friends' tires there . . . Good luck! Joe >>> "Bruce Norton" - 8/12/98 11:32 AM >>> A quick surf of http://www.dealerequipment.com shows rim clamp tire machines running from $3000 to $6000. Yeowch! http://www.autoequipmentcity.com sells used & reconditioned equipment, but lists no models & prices. Bruce >We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the >tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > >Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? >Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > >Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:48:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12720; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24641 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03531 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA18476; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:06:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812190602.WBY24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: "Jordan, Michael" , DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812190602.WBY24844@[166.41.242.141]> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That averages to only around 84 miles a day! What are you doing with all your 'off' time! ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:50:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12762; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24739 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (known send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03607 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980812190925.11283.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send102.yahoomail.com; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:09:25 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii damn Leon that sure helps with the conversion... How long did it take to come up with all that?? ---Leon Begeman wrote: > > According to the table at http://www.execpc.com/~wallin/convert/ > > 74 cu. in. is approximately equal to > 89700000 grains > 15000 drops > 1200 milliliters > 1200 Cubic Centimeters > 340 drachm (Brit. Fluid) > 328 dram > 246 Teaspoon > 82 Tablespoon > 44 Fluid ounce > 12 deciliters > 11 gills > 5.5 Cup > 2.7 Pint > 1.4 Quart > 1.2 Liter > 0.34 Gallon > 0.27 Imperial gallon > 0.14 pecks > 0.12 dekaliters > 0.067 bucket (Brit. dry) > 0.043 Cubic Feet > 0.034 bushels > 0.0109 barrels (liquid) > 0.0105 barrels (US dry) > 0.00268 cord feet > 0.00158 cu yard > 0.00121 Cubic Meters > 0.00033 cords > or 0.000000983 Acre-Feet > > > > > Also....you may want to re-consider your litte statement...."Right, > > I'll take you all on"...Do you realize what your getting in for???? > > I'd listen to Craig on this one, he knows whereof he speaks. > > Leon - > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 15:52:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12795; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24767 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03649 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 356; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:10:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35D1E8B4.B39BBD55@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:10:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "Jordan, Michael" , DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter References: <19980812190602.WBY24844@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > That averages to only around 84 miles a day! What are you doing > with all your 'off' time! ;) The answer is simple. I'm hating life, wishing I was riding! :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 16:08:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13135; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24939 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04230 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12352 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812192604.IPM13385@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:26:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire mounting - Real Confirmation X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812192604.IPM13385@[166.41.242.141]> The following have committed $30 towards getting our new tire mounting tool. This is 27 * $30, or $810. A brand spanking new machine is not necessary, especially at $3,000 !!!!!! Can anyone get some good prices? We might need another 10 people just to be in the ball park, or maybe add another $10 1 Tom T. 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 MARKSOMM (Sommerfield?) 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell (Jeannette volunteered you) 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Urulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 16:23:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13437; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25157 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04588 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA14122 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:41:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666A8@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > (not to mention, if I get a street bike going this century, I have a > tendency to go through tires far too quickly :)) I'd expect you to get double the mileage on the light, low power EX compared to the heavy, powerful GSXR. I could be wrong though. My commuting to recreational riding ratio is something like 3:1 during the summer. So, my tires usually wear out in the middle first. I got 5500 miles out of an mez1 rear. I'm curious about the mileage that others with light bikes (<430 lbs wet) get out of their tires. I'd bet you could really make tires last on something like a Bandit 400 (370 lbs wet w/no torque to speak of). I've currently got an Azaro on the back of the Hawk. I'm not that impressed with the feel or grip of it. I need a tire that, for the most part, ignores my ham fisted riding style. Maybe the MEZ3 next time... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 16:43:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13769; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25655 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05155 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id NAA12709 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:01:51 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:01:51 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:03:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >89700000 grains Not wanting to be overly picky (hah!), but grains (and drams, usually) are units of measure for weight, not volume. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 16:52:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13894; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25847 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05385 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA14790 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > I especially want to thank Kirk for organizing this thing. > Without his help I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as fun. You're all welcome. I'm glad everyone had a good time. > to thank Craig for doing most of the leading (except that he bypassed one > section of good road) :-). Yes, I neglected to thank Craig in my report. Todd and Glenn also helped out with leadership duties... Thanks for everyone who put some effort in to make things go smoothly. > I was able to scrub in my new rear tire real quick. Another new one? You're getting up there with Tom for tire wear... > Oh and how could I forget the bikes... I rode Kirk's hawk. Nice handling > bike. That thing can shoot through any curves. Stupid bike takes away any excuses I might otherwise be able to use. After riding my bike you can only come to the conclusion that I suck but the bike is great... I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get out for the October trip (it's not unlikely I'll be in Florida riding on even better roads. They do have better roads in FL, right?). I hope y'all can manage to enjoy yourselves without me... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 17:03:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14079; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26032 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05728 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA25800 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8525665E.006FDE20 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:21:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525665E.006FC518.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:23:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Tire mounting - Real Confirmation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'd get in on it but it looks like I'm going to be selling my bike to a guy in our office. I'll have to be one of those guys who pays for the service (when I get a *new* bike). It is good to see the level of committment by those on the list, though...not like the group rides, helpful advice, friendly people, or offers of roadside assistance didn't convince me already :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Tire mounting - Real Confirmation The following have committed $30 towards getting our new tire mounting tool. This is 27 * $30, or $810. A brand spanking new machine is not necessary, especially at $3,000 !!!!!! Can anyone get some good prices? We might need another 10 people just to be in the ball park, or maybe add another $10 1 Tom T. 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 MARKSOMM (Sommerfield?) 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell (Jeannette volunteered you) 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Urulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 17:08:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14207; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26124 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05880 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA14699; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980812202602.BPEU24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:26:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SQUID's and such... (Long & Pedantic] X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980812202602.BPEU24844@[166.41.242.141]> To John, et al, Your points regarding individuals and what behaviors are expected in communal situations are right on. Of course what the community agrees on as the best course of action to take to keep the whole community safe may seem ambiguous in our group rides context. Not everyone who has joined in recent DC-Cycles rides can ride at as fast a pace as some. And other prefer a slower pace. Maybe we should once again address this issue and remind our communal brothers/sisters to take it easy and ride at your own comfortable pace. But, as to the way ONE dresses to ride with MANY, the way you dress for a crash is not ambiguous. If you are wearing the minimum attire acceptable to your greater community (by law) and crash, you are almost certain to seriously injur yourself. If you are riding with a group this way, it says you not only have no regard for your safety, but you have no regard for how the group you are riding with handles your crash. You don't care, or you're just an ignorant sob! As a minimum, aside from what is not debatable by law, you should wear gloves, long sturdy pants (minimum stiff jeans/BDUS, preferrably leather), a long sleeved jacket (preferrably leather), and boots that cover your ankles and offer support. The law in our area requires a DOT approved helmet. In a group, I would suggest a full faced one. This issue was debated (albeit w/much flaming) quite a bit recently and borders on the helmet/nohelmet, smoker/nonsmoker debate. The big difference is we don't have the insurance/health industries involved, yet! Like John said, you want to ride in shorts/tshirt by yourself, go ahead. I've done it and still do it on occassion. But when I ride with a group, my main concern is that nobody gets hurt. Wearing the right attire to your next crash goes a long way to abate that. To Sean Petr, come work a corner for a weekend at Summit Point. Turns 1, 3, 5 should convince you soon enough how easily a motorcycle can crash, and how lucky that WERA, CCS, AMA and others require that the riders dress for a crash. Todd >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:18 EDT, Sean G. Petr opined: >> I might be wrong, >> but it just seems ironic. I mean, to get a bike, to be more free... then only >> to find that your own kind wont accept you because you arent all wrapped up. > >The problem here Sean is that you assume all bikers are alike. As I've >been telling my nine-year-old for years: "People are different." I used >to be more tolerant about your attitude I guess, but not anymore. I've >seen too much shit happen since I started riding bikes 27 years ago. > >> My point -- why disciminate, or even judge someone cause of the way they dress >> when riding. > >Why? Because as someone pointed out (Gil maybe? D-mode here folks :) >there is a camraderie that has developed here on group rides, a >sharing/caring dynamic which manifests itself in small and large ways. I >guess everyone that is _serious_ about engaging themselves in this >milieu - at least the people I know here best - feels that it would not >be fair to place undue burden or responsibility on their fellow riders >in the event of an unfortunate incident. And, just how might this >responsibility manifest itself you may ask? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 18:05:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15169; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26750 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07161 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p19dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.51]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17726; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:23:43 -0400 Message-ID: <031c01bdc637$c2fcf2e0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:25:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV >On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >> I was able to scrub in my new rear tire real quick. > >Another new one? You're getting up there with Tom for tire wear... Yeah, but I hope Glenn's tires don't cost nearly as much as mine. I'm just about broke. >> Oh and how could I forget the bikes... I rode Kirk's hawk. Nice handling >> bike. That thing can shoot through any curves. > >Stupid bike takes away any excuses I might otherwise be able to use. >After riding my bike you can only come to the conclusion that I suck but >the bike is great... Let's switch up on the next ride, Kirk. I gotta try that thing. You too, Glenn; Craig. >I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get out for the October trip (it's not >unlikely I'll be in Florida riding on even better roads. They do have >better roads in FL, right?). Sorry. Straight and flat. Perfect squid habitat. >I hope y'all can manage to enjoy yourselves >without me... We'll do our best. Maybe you could hook us up will the Bills to show us around? -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 18:57:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16235; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27484 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08528 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z6jBB-0003Ll-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:38 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C566@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:31:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know what you mean about heat-producing bikes. My VFR produces so much heat that I couldn't wear just jeans on a long ride even if I wanted to!! It burns the hell out of my left thigh without my leathers on...I never experienced that with the VF....but as you say, it'll be really nice in winter! : ) - Jeannette > I'm slowly getting used to all the heat the Concours throws > off (actually, it'll be a nice feature this winter!) > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 19:12:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16463; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27906 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09084 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24552; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Surprise Hazard... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C539@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I assume you had a closed face helmet. Yep that darn sunblock fume will get ya ever time... -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened > to me this morning. > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair > skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 19:17:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16547; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28036 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09569 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24925; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Mersch, Tom" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC8F@RBMAIL103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ROTFL! ... moving speed trap, doughnuts... hahahaha! n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > Hmmm, my glasses fit inside with my melon. Darkened, tinted shield (I know, > $50) keeps the sun off, and you look more menacing when people can't see > your mug. Add a radar gun and a big box of doughnuts, and people will think > you're a moving speed trap. > > Tom M. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:53 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Surprise Hazard... > > > > I'd heard about this happening, but didn't believe it 'till it happened > > to me this morning. > > I had to wear my glasses 'cause my contacts were bothering my eyes, so I > > loaded up on the sunscreen before I rode off to work. I was one street > > away from where I park when my eyes started burning SO BADLY that I > > couldn't keep them open for more than a second at a time. Since I was > > only one street away from where I park, I made it, but what would've > > happened if I'd been on the highway at high speed? Ugh. Us fair > > skinned people & our evil sunscreen of death. ; ) > > > > - Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 19:17:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16558; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28058 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09585 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24766; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. In-Reply-To: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Put me down for $30 too. :) n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 19:59:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17022; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28516 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10300 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr50-dialup11.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EXL000NQNC0LN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:16:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:14:21 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <012c01bdc660$168029a0$894a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Come on Jon! Dale is confessing to being a squid-baiter, and you're >falling right for it! ;) > >Todd Well, I guess this just proves that I am a squid! I already admitted it, but I also fell for the bait. I ride a squid bike, dress like a half-squid(no leather, but jeans, boots, gloves, some sort of long sleeve shirt), have a multicolored painted helmet, loud exhaust, and ride like an asshole. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Jon S. Cc: DC Cycle Club Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter > >See what Jon doesn't understand is that not even a year ago, Dale listed >all the things he felt were totally outside of what a motorcycle should >be, digital guages, big pieces of plastic, lack of kick starters,....and >on. > >Now Dale is riding one of these blasphamous machines! Get him on a >real sport bike, and I'm sure he'll change the tune. > >Come on Jon! Dale is confessing to being a squid-baiter, and you're >falling right for it! ;) > >Todd > > >Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:45:51 -0700 >From: "Jon S." >Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >To: DC Cycle Club >Message-id: <005201bdc5bc$da41a2a0$044c37a6@default> > >Dale wrote: >>Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >>are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >>and far between. > >I didn't know that the Concours was limited production......... well, I >could say a whole lot about your "rare" bike, but I don't want to get too >personal. We could argue forever. Everyone has their own outlook on other >people. Yours seems to be a little more close minded, opinionated, and >snooty. Now I know where you stand. Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your >"rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a "real >rider" in action. > >Jon > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dale Horstman >To: Jon S. >Cc: DC Cycles List >Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:01 AM >Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter > > >>Jon S. wrote: >>> >>> Your forgiven my son, for the sins of thinking that your bike is so >much >>> better than the "indistinguishable GSXCBRYZXFZR's" >> >>Not better, (well maybe) but rarer, certainly. Squid-bikes >>are a dime a dozen anymore. Real riders and bikes are few >>and far between. >> >>> and that your "fullface, >>> leathers, gloves and jeans" is so politically correct, which makes you >>> better than anyone else on a bike that has anything less. >> >>I was better than these guys. And I take my riding seriously. >>These guys are just poseurs of a different sort. A couple of >>raindrops, and they'd be inside playing Nintendo. Lets see 'em >>ride like that in December. Brr. >> >>>If your so much >>> better than the squids, why did you feel like you had to prove it? >> >>I dunno. I guess it was fun. They thought they were fast. >>I just showed them that a fat guy on a big nerdy bike >>is just as fast. Probably faster in the twisties. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 20:06:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17190; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28590 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10401 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA16019; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D24F51.48C7@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:28:33 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Todd Peer Subject: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer declared: > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. Count me in too Todd. I guess another next step might be to devise a table (HTML page) with all the names indicating their commitment as well as an address/name where we can send our checks. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 20:11:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17299; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28625 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10474 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr50-dialup11.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXL00F52NWBMA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:29:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:26:32 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <013101bdc661$ca1d7f20$894a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Dale wrote: >Don't blink, because you might be left behind. LOL!!! 8^D I very, very, seriously doubt that. I'm a squid, but I can ride fast. Don't let my appearance fool you, I've been riding motorcycles for 20 years. I'm always looking for a good race....... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles List Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter >Jon wrote: > >> Maybe one day my "squid" bike and your >> "rare" bike will share the same pavement and I'll be able to see a >> "real rider" in action. > >Don't blink, because you might be left behind. > > > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 20:21:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17446; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29156 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10672 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTEGa19316 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26b50f9b.35d2277c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:38:33 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-12 15:39:46 EDT, you write: << Cool. The next time someone asks me what size bike I have I can tell them 89 million 700 thousand grains. >> LOL........that was great. Thanks for the conversions Leon. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 20:24:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17492; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29307 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10725 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:42:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPFQa27851 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37e3003d.35d22830@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:41:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter -engine hear Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-12 19:06:42 EDT, you write: << I know what you mean about heat-producing bikes. My VFR produces so much heat that I couldn't wear just jeans on a long ride even if I wanted to!! It burns the hell out of my left thigh without my leathers on...I never experienced that with the VF....but as you say, it'll be really nice in winter! : ) >> What a bunch of complainers. Try riding an unfaired bike in rush hour when its 90+ degrees and you ARENT moving. Now THATS hot. Never seen a bike go from 167 degrees to 235 degrees so fast. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 21:53:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19427; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29923 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12178 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA24379; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:11:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.111.104]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980813011120.DAVC24844@XXXXXX>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:20 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "HSTA" , "CBR List" Subject: Source for stiffening Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdc657$46200580$686f29a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Thanks to all the suggestions. I think I found what I need in a product called Easy Bagger procured from my friendly local hardware store. Sheets of pretty thick stuff measuring 68"x30" for $7.59 each. I just added some to the Bionic Tank Bag (TM) and it's looking pretty dern good although still not quite finished. I decided to add some shoulder straps for carrying it while not on the bike that'll be hidden. I'll add some to the saddlebags soon. I've been using a metallic tape to connect the pieces. I'll also try some duct tape and maybe experiment with pop rivets. So much fun. Thanks again. You guys really came through. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 21:54:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19446; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29932 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12192 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA22946; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D2689F.6298@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:16:31 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "Brian E. Ewell" Subject: Re: Smoker's Rights (mc related) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Brian E. Ewell" > I've heard it so many times that I'm willing to bet it's just an > urban legend. Though it is a good story. Me too Brian. I first saw this almost two years ago on the VF/VFR list. I think it prolly started on some Beemer list though ;) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 22:48:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20507; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00288 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12894 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-152.s152.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.152]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28922; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D24A18.C659F8DD@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:06:16 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter -engine hear References: <37e3003d.35d22830@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a Suzuki..what do you expect :) Both of mine FLY toward the red H whenever motion comes to a stop... WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > Never seen a bike go > from 167 degrees to 235 degrees so fast. > > Jack -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:13:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21062; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00410 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13288 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-29.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.70]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07267 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:31:26 -0400 Message-ID: <01aa01bdc662$60e8b500$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Back in the Saddle Again Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:30:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Back in the sad. . .. Whoops, have to run. Morning breaking scheduled. Bill Swanson / DC 99 VN750 Being bridle broken. 96 EN500 LTD R.I.P., times were great Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:23:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21331; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00447 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13415 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdc663$7886bd00$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <783181f4.35d1aeac@aol.com> Importance: Normal Both ideas go okay with me. I'd tend to opt for Glenn getting the money, since he's gonna have to meet so many of us and put up with our greasy mugs and locally purchased tires;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > How about donating any proceeds to charity? I think > there's a charity > for motorcycle neck injury victims. If not, I'm sure that we could find > something appropriate. We could let Glenn have the donation > receipt for his > taxes as thanks for providing space. Thoughts? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:23:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21335; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00450 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13420 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Surprise Hazard... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdc663$79502780$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C54D@BADGE> Importance: Normal Understandable to not put the shield down. As far as wrinkles, stay out of the sun period. My mother got some sun poisoning while a kid. Stayed very much out of the sun (in shade, heavy amounts of SPF 15, etc) for the past 40 years. And her skin looks pretty good for a woman with a 25 year old kid;) She has a friend who has always tanned. While Carol is only about 5 years older than my mother, the skin looks a good fifteen years older. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > > I don't usually have the faceshield down all that much, it gets too hot! > Sunscreen is good combat against wrinkles... : ) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:34:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21607; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00521 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13552 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-87-247.s247.tnt6.brd.erols.com [207.172.87.247]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25686; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808130252.WAA25686@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'JOE NAGY'" , Subject: Re: cunning stunts Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:50:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin: I believe I will be driving up to Pocono with my buddy Kevin and his son Brian. We plan to leave Saturday morning (the 28th) and find a hotel south of the track. Where exactly are you setting up? By the way, I just put a contract on a new 98 GSX-R 750 (Red, grey and black) at Coleman in Woodbridge. Trey cut me a pretty good deal. I hope to pick it up this Saturday!! Perhaps you can help me set up the suspension? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG > To: 'JOE NAGY' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: cunning stunts > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 2:01 PM > > Joe, > You're taking the upcoming rider school too???!!! I believe lister Jay St. > Peter is also going to be taking the school that day. > > What bike are you racing, the RD? > > Keep in touch. I'm picking up a 10x20 canopy this week, so I'll have some > shade for you fellas. I'm probably going to set up right next to Dawn Cook > along the cold pit. We were thinking of putting Bob ? and Dawn's canopies > together, and mine behind to make "monster pit", but if we throw a couple > extra guys in the space, side by side it'll have to be. I plan on camping > there all weekend as well.... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:22 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: cunning stunts > > > > He's performing at the Pocono Cycle Festival (Formula USA) August 28-30. > > If you can go, go. Even though it means you'll miss my racing debut at > > Summit Point. > > Joe > > Ninja, RD, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 12 23:37:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21674; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00538 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13620 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:53:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter -engine hear Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:53:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bdc665$7f194140$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <37e3003d.35d22830@aol.com> Importance: Normal Done air and watercooled, faired and unfaired on the water cooled. While I thought it would be bad, the best I've had in heat is an unfaired, oilcooled bike. Faired bikes are much hotter when stopped. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > What a bunch of complainers. Try riding an unfaired bike in rush > hour when > its 90+ degrees and you ARENT moving. Now THATS hot. Never seen > a bike go > from 167 degrees to 235 degrees so fast. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 00:08:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22906; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00778 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14238 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:26:48 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id XAA27469; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:28:55 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027417; Wed, 12 Aug 98 23:28:32 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXL00IBMYW0JE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525665F.0012C8D5 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:25:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:25:46 -0400 Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <8525665F.0012D720.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Jeannette, Dale, et. al., It doesn't work that way. Murphy's Law and all. You wiil get plenty of heat in the summer and never notice it in the coooold winter. :-( Unfortunately, I know of what I speak ... --chris To: cc: DC Cycle Club From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Date: 08/12/98 07:31:47 PM GMT Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter I know what you mean about heat-producing bikes. My VFR produces so much heat that I couldn't wear just jeans on a long ride even if I wanted to!! It burns the hell out of my left thigh without my leathers on...I never experienced that with the VF....but as you say, it'll be really nice in winter! : ) - Jeannette > I'm slowly getting used to all the heat the Concours throws > off (actually, it'll be a nice feature this winter!) > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 11,736 miles, < 5 months > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 00:32:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23750; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01436 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14740 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:50:53 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id PTAIa04180; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:50:19 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <74175d93.35d2627c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:50:19 EDT To: dreamer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Info on bike...was Re: Aaaagh, it's back!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, I'm riding the bike to Great Falls Sunday evening after the bicycle race in Buckeystown and can venture on down to you, if you like. I'm also free all day on Saturday, though I would like to go riding :) Info on the bike is: 1985 Honda CB450SC Recent MD inspection (March) Kenda Challenger tires installed at inspection (around 2,600 miles on em and still in great shape) Battery less than 1 year old Very reliable, runs great, around 55MPG I'm the 3rd owner and have had the bike for 5 years Fuel tank is primed and needs paint to match body panels Clymer Manual, OSI cover, and cargonet included (don't need em for my Shadow) Let me know what is best for you. I can be reached at (301) 695-5993 in the morning and (301) 228-3512 after 3PM. Thanks! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 00:45:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24062; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01756 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15148 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJKSa17153 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61d1e429.35d26508@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:01:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter -engine hear Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-08-12 20:33:13 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << What a bunch of complainers. Try riding an unfaired bike in rush hour when its 90+ degrees and you ARENT moving. Now THATS hot. Never seen a bike go from 167 degrees to 235 degrees so fast. >> yeah but what a great way to lose weight! LOL -speaking from experience, Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 07:47:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29908; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05999 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20898 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19344 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:04:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:03:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I don't want the money for myself. I just want the (extra) money used for the equipment when its needed. I can ever setup a little savings account so that it can be earning some interest. Glenn > Both ideas go okay with me. I'd tend to opt for Glenn getting the money, > since he's gonna have to meet so many of us and put up with our greasy > mugs > and locally purchased tires;) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 08:15:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00158; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06052 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21148 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20615 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:32:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) My bike probably weighs in right around 430 or so considering its 399 dry. I usually get between 5000 and 7000 out of a rear. I have been using "V" rated sport touring bias plys unlike you radial people. Glenn > I'd expect you to get double the mileage on the light, low power EX > compared to the heavy, powerful GSXR. I could be wrong though. My > commuting to recreational riding ratio is something like 3:1 during the > summer. So, my tires usually wear out in the middle first. I got 5500 > miles out of an mez1 rear. > > I'm curious about the mileage that others with light bikes (<430 lbs wet) > get out of their tires. I'd bet you could really make tires last on > something like a Bandit 400 (370 lbs wet w/no torque to speak of). > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 08:18:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00181; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06057 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21171 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:37:11 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013CD@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'Jon S.'" , DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:35:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Jon, I'm not interested in a race.. but I'll go out and ride with you again.. I've got a few thousand miles on my bike now and feel like I can actually corner unlike last time (I'd put maybe 200 miles on by then). You can even pick the roads if you want.. Erg, I'll even take Collin as a passenger to even out the 100cc engine difference. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- >Dale wrote: >Don't blink, because you might be left behind. LOL!!! 8^D I very, very, seriously doubt that. I'm a squid, but I can ride fast. Don't let my appearance fool you, I've been riding motorcycles for 20 years. I'm always looking for a good race....... Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 08:24:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00238; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06122 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21212 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21027 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:41:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Weekend Trip... Princeton, WV Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:41:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Another new one? You're getting up there with Tom for tire wear... Its all those 400 - 500 miles weekend days that are eating them up. I only ride my bike for entertainment and have racked up 3000 miles in the last month. Its nice to have found some people that enjoy riding as much as I do. Stupid bike takes away any excuses I might otherwise be able to use. After riding my bike you can only come to the conclusion that I suck but the bike is great... OK, I'll got for that. :-) Seriously though, Kirk is an excellent rider. I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get out for the October trip (it's not unlikely I'll be in Florida riding on even better roads. They do have better roads in FL, right?). I hope y'all can manage to enjoy yourselves without me... Come on now, there are a ton of great roads in FL. How about I-95? :-). Although it wouldn't be corner carving material I would like to ride the road (US 1) from Miami to Key West. Anyhow, it would be nice to have your assistance with the Bill's in setting up the next ride. I'll talk to Bill N. Saturday when we John and I are down there. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 09:11:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00730; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08165 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21725 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC96@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Disappearing for a while Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:34:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Be off list until about Tue 25. Be on lost-salt-shaker safari. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 09:46:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01243; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08600 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22334 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24228 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id GAA02999 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:04:39 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:04:39 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Tire wear - light bike division Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:06:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I was getting 5K per rear on my SRX-6 (about 370 lbs) on Metzeler ME-1 Comp K's with just over double that for the ME-33 Comp-K fronts I'm getting about 8K with the ME Z/2 rears on the GSX1100 (somewhat out of the lightweight division). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 10:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01840; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09317 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23420 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26477 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA03432; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980813135111.EENV24844@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:51:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980813135111.EENV24844@[166.41.242.141]> My bike probably weighs in right around 430 or so considering its 399 dry. I usually get between 5000 and 7000 out of a rear. I have been using "V" rated sport touring bias plys unlike you radial people. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Glenn Ahem, I'm using the K591 Dunlop (Dunlops rule btw) which is a V-rated bias ply. I was using a D505, which is only H-rated and got 5,500 miles out of the rear. I expect at least 6,000 out of the K591. My next set on the CB750 will be radials though. They just feel better! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 10:45:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01937; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09493 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (known machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23673 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A84132941@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Mounting Tool Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:01:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I am in for the mounting tool. I usually only go through 1 set of tires per year, but now that I have the race bike... Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 10:51:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02008; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09538 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23800 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27328 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:08:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:07:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) If I could radials I'd go that way. As it stands right now I could a radial on the front (110/80 -18) but can't find one that will fit the rear (130/90 -16). I've thought about going to a 140 but I'm pretty sure it will hit the support arm for the rear brake. I guess I could modify that arm but what's the point? I'll just stick with bias plys until I can get a "real bike". Glenn > Ahem, I'm using the K591 Dunlop (Dunlops rule btw) which is a > V-rated bias ply. I was using a D505, which is only H-rated and > got 5,500 miles out of the rear. I expect at least 6,000 out > of the K591. > > My next set on the CB750 will be radials though. They just feel > better! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 11:35:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02527; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10007 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24873 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA30134 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:53:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980813145318.EURZ24844@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:53:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire Mounting - the Latest. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980813145318.EURZ24844@[166.41.242.141]> Here is our new and latest list of pledges toward our Tire Mounting Tool. We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this subject to drop until we're done. Todd 1 Tom Trask 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 Mark Sommerfield 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell (Jeannette volunteered you) 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Urulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro 28 David Sward 29 Louis Caplan 30 Chris Meier 31 Frank Artes 32 John Kozyn 33 Richard Westbrook 34 Franz (sesent@XXXXXX) 35 Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 11:35:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02536; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10012 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24878 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA27884 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199808131451.KAA27884@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:02 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:02 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:51:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:47:19 -0400 Subject: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980812140242.XTXD24844@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME whoops...count me in too... -aki > > We now have a total of 14 people willing to invest $30 towards the > tire mounting tool. That's $420! We need just a couple more. > > Now, where do we get the tool? Anyone privy to that sort of information? > Get me started in the right direction and I'll track it down. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 11:51:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02894; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10300 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25340 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:11:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:10:42 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pocono Trip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sean P., Jon S., pgerhardt@XXXXXX and I are going up on Saturday and = coming back Sunday night. I've already reserved 3 rooms at the Mountain = Top Lodge and am going to cancel one unless someone else wants to join us. = Ursulina was going to go with us but had something else come up. The = cost is $69+tax per room per night. It is also one exit away from the = track. Anyone interested in joining us, either for the ride up, back and = hotel or just the hotel, let me know. I have until the day before to = cancel. The plan is to meet up at Jon S. house Saturday, not sure of the = time, and then go from there. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 12:20:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03326; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10567 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26087 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29920 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - the Latest. In-Reply-To: <19980813145318.EURZ24844@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this > subject to drop until we're done. Wow, Todd, thanks for taking the bull by the horns. This topic has been popping up with no one (including myself) willing to take the lead. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 12:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03369; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10623 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26195 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01352 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980813154333.9187.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:43:33 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yeah...That will be none to soon IMHO.... I need some company up front....hehehehheheeh ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: I'll just stick with bias plys until I can get a "real bike". > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 12:42:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03681; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10915 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26874 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA00415 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:00:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: BIG trailer needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No dc-cycles content... I'm wondering if anyone on the list has a trailer that I would be able to borrow that would be big enough to put a compact car on. I have to get the thing from College Park to Camp Springs for an engine replacement... Any help or other suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 12:47:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03759; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11008 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27039 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA00511 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. In-Reply-To: <19980813135111.EENV24844@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > Ahem, I'm using the K591 Dunlop (Dunlops rule btw) Dunlops rule? I've never actually used Dunlops (just Michelin, Metzeler, Avon, and Bridgestone). Supposedly, the compound on the 207GPs is good enough to make up for going to a bigger tire on the front of the Hawk (from a 110/80/17 to a 120/60/17 on a 2.5" wheel). Even Dunlop recommends it (they also recommend running that tire backwards). Do the Dunlops have a round profile? > My next set on the CB750 will be radials though. They just feel > better! I've been wondering what you were doing at rest stops... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 13:07:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04017; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11756 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known [208.0.104.5] [208.0.104.5]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26584 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:52:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:55:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bdc/cop humor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sitting on the side of the highway waiting to catch speeding drivers, a State Police Officer sees a car puttering along at 22 MPH. He thinks to himself, "This driver is just as dangerous as a speeder!" Sohe turns on his lights and pulls the driver over. Approaching the car, he notices that there are five old ladies-two in the front seat and three in the back-wide eyed and white as ghosts. The driver, obviously confused, says to him, "Officer, I don't understand, I was doing exactly the speed limit! What seems to be the problem?""Ma'am," the officer replies, "you weren't speeding, but you should know that driving slower than the speed limit can also be a danger to other drivers.""Slower than the speed limit? No sir, I was doing the speed limit exactly...Twenty- two miles an hour!" the old woman says a bit proudly. The State Police officer, trying to contain a chuckle explains to her that "22" was the route number, not the speed limit. A bit embarrassed, the woman grinned and thanked the officer for pointing out her error. "But before I let you go, Ma'am, I have to ask... Is everyone in this car OK? These women seem awfully shaken and they haven't muttered a single peep this whole time," the officer asks. "Oh, they'll be all right in a minute officer. We just got off Route 119." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 13:23:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04260; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12075 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28124 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil ([155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04097 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013DA@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Craig needs company up front.. un-huh Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:39:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Alright Craig.. I think Jon S was saying he's fast.. you 2 ought to arrange for a ride together.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- Oh yeah...That will be none to soon IMHO.... I need some company up front....hehehehheheeh ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: I'll just stick with bias plys until I can get a "real bike". > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:00:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04830; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13052 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29214 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05912 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: BIG trailer needed Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:17:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) U-Haul has these. You can either get a car dolly (front or rear wheels only) or a full trailer that will carry the whole car. If you need help moving a car on one of these let me Kirk and I will borrow my folks truck. Glenn > No dc-cycles content... > > I'm wondering if anyone on the list has a trailer that I would be able > to borrow that would be big enough to put a compact car on. I have to get > the thing from College Park to Camp Springs for an engine replacement... > > Any help or other suggestions would be appreciated. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04976; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13188 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29517 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06128 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:27:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:26:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I can't say a whole lot of good things about the Dunlop bias plys that I have used. I'll admit I haven't used any in years but the ones that were on my bike when I got them were trash. I could easily spin the rear in second gear at half throttle in the rain. I've never had that problem with Metezler's or Michelin's. Maybe the K591's are better? And obviously I've never used their radials. I have used their ultra high performance car radials (SP Sport 8000) and they are excellent. Glenn > On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > Ahem, I'm using the K591 Dunlop (Dunlops rule btw) > > Dunlops rule? I've never actually used Dunlops (just Michelin, Metzeler, > Avon, and Bridgestone). Supposedly, the compound on the 207GPs is good > enough to make up for going to a bigger tire on the front of the Hawk > (from a 110/80/17 to a 120/60/17 on a 2.5" wheel). Even Dunlop recommends > it (they also recommend running that tire backwards). Do the Dunlops have > a round profile? > > > My next set on the CB750 will be radials though. They just feel > > better! > > I've been wondering what you were doing at rest stops... > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:13:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05037; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13270 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29708 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.28 (pix001043.staff.digex.net [206.205.169.55]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA04420 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:32:03 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9808131334.AA05736@172.17.2.28> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:34:05 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: PA Trip (and subscribing) Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline I know I'll probably catch some flamage for sending this to the list, but will someone kindly send me the subcribe and unsubscribe messages for this list? I need to change my email address for this list. Secondly, and DC-MC related, does anyone have suggestions on a good route from the area to Pittsburgh, OTHER THAN the standard 522 to 70 to 76? I'd like to avoid the PA turnpike as much as possible, and would love some good 2 lane roads to hit to get there. Thanks much!! Matt 95 Nighthawk > I am in for the mounting tool. I usually only go through 1 set of > tires per year, but now that I have the race bike... > > Jay St. Peter > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:33:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05430; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13456 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00346 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id SAADa02268; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f70c60c.35d3274a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:50:01 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BIG trailer needed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 What kinda car? I replaced the engine in my '79 Toyota Corolla. I got it done in a day! I don't have a trailer, but I think Ryder and U-Haul rent car trailers. Let me know if you need any mechanical help. My number is (301) 695-5993. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 14:41:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05602; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13553 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00798 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCTDa29473 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <901e3c6f.35d32936@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:58:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Collins MC on the web Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, just out of chance I was looking for sites for thr TLR, came across this one, and found a link to Collin Fagan's GSXR. http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~bartman/suzpics.htm Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 15:20:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06227; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14827 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01914 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09506 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20168; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:37:56 -0400 Message-ID: <03ca01bdc6e9$c000cf00$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Craig" , Subject: Re: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:39:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Then slow down a little bit, goddamnit! ;-D -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. > >Oh yeah...That will be none to soon IMHO.... >I need some company up front....hehehehheheeh From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 15:49:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06889; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15481 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02859 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:06:34 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013E0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Collins MC on the web Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:04:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not his GSXR anymore.. :P with a dead 2nd gear, he passed it off to someone else in partial trade for his New GSXR racebike... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Sent: Thursday, August 13, 1998 1:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Collins MC on the web Well, just out of chance I was looking for sites for thr TLR, came across this one, and found a link to Collin Fagan's GSXR. http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~bartman/suzpics.htm Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 16:23:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07603; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15888 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03888 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:41:32 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 13 Aug 1998 15:41:02 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 13 Aug 1998 15:41:02 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 05B1835D3414E023-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 05B1835D3414E023 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <05B1835D3414E023*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 13 Aug 1998 15:41:02 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: dc-cycles (IPM Return requested), Todd Peer (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Message-Id: <05B1835D3414E023*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I spoke to a place up in New England somewhere and they told me they could get us a used machine for between $1,700 and $2,000, can you say wow this sh*t is expensive? I don't know if that is a good price or not. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 1998 12:02 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Here is our new and latest list of pledges toward our Tire Mounting Tool. Listers I spoke to a couple of dealers today and one guy could probably get us a used machine for about $1,800 to $2,000 and the other guy could get us a new machine for about $3,600 (2,700 + $900 more for the motorcycle wheel adapters). This stuff is really expensive. Has anyone else tried to find a machine? If so, any luck? If we have 35 people it would cost almost $60 bucks each for the used machine. Is that too much? Don B We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this subject to drop until we're done. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 16:37:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08051; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16041 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04911 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13133 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980813195822.17543.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:58:22 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Thomas H. Gimer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what fun would that be??? I gotta get my rush, relaxation, thrills...etc..heheheheh (wink, wink) ;~) ---"Thomas H. Gimer" wrote: > > Then slow down a little bit, goddamnit! ;-D _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 17:04:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08364; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17930 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05800 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA05790 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Cornering style/speed In-Reply-To: <03ca01bdc6e9$c000cf00$3bf31bce@richard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > Then slow down a little bit, goddamnit! ;-D > > Craig wrote: > >Oh yeah...That will be none to soon IMHO.... > >I need some company up front....hehehehheheeh I think the real difference between Craig and the rest of us is his lack of 'fear' at corner entrances. While I know I was a bit off this past weekend I don't think I'd enter corners as fast as Craig does even if I was 'on'. Even more interesting to me is that Craig rides parallel to the center line ("hugging" the center line, is what he called it). The combination of hugging the center line (which doesn't give you as much of a view of the corner as starting from the outside) and entering corners with extreme confidence is a little bit weird to me. I've ridden with a fair number of good riders and Craig is the only one to exhibit both of these characteristics. I'm a bit envious of his confidence. I'm not so sure that I'd want to emulate this style though... I do learn things just about every time I follow someone different. Speaking of envy, I'm also envious of all the guys who get out riding most weekends. I know you guys are improving while I basically sit in the same place... Bastards! Another person with a different style is Todd. I don't know how he manages to get around so fast while counter leaning with his upper body. It looks to me like his shoulders don't follow when he dumps the bike into a corner. The silver reflective stuff on the back of his jacket makes it easy to verify... Oh, but don't fix this Todd as you'd just be that much faster. :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 18:07:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09252; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20048 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07747 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-152.s152.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.152]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09806; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D359BB.46F52E8E@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:25:15 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire wear was RE: Tire Mounting Tool - The count. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dunlops (207,204, 202 and 364) are all about as triangular as they come, with the 207 feeling like riding on a knife edge. As far as mounting them backwards, this only applies to the ones made overseas...they started making them over here in 98 and those tires cannot be reversed. Here's the tricky part. For the us tires, mount the tires with the direction arrow going the right way..however, they reversed the tread pattern, so this will look the same as a euro tire mounted backwards :) Kirk Roy wrote: > Dunlops rule? I've never actually used Dunlops (just Michelin, Metzeler, > Avon, and Bridgestone). Supposedly, the compound on the 207GPs is good > enough to make up for going to a bigger tire on the front of the Hawk > (from a 110/80/17 to a 120/60/17 on a 2.5" wheel). Even Dunlop recommends > it (they also recommend running that tire backwards). Do the Dunlops have > a round profile? _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 20:49:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11660; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24244 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11115 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr32-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXN00NQKKC02E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:07:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:04:43 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Hotel To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002d01bdc730$4a0151c0$f34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Nice........... -----Original Message----- From: Viteri, Ursulina To: 'SCOTT Rush' ; 'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX' ; 'ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX' ; 'pgerhardt@XXXXXX' ; 'dawn.jon@XXXXXX' Cc: 'Jay - CBR 600' Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 6:10 AM Subject: RE: Hotel >Count me OUT. :-( Just found out that Collin and his friend Mike are >racing on Sat & Sunday (8-28 & 29) and since he's my bud, I gotta be at >Summit Point. > >Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:54 PM >>To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX; pgerhardt@XXXXXX; >>dawn.jon@XXXXXX >>Subject: Hotel >> >>** High Priority ** >> >>OK. I got a call back from The Moutain Top Lodge group sales guy Steve. The >>rate he gave me was $69+tax per night per room. I went ahead and made the >>reservations for 3 rooms. If we only need 2 rooms, we can cancel one up >>until the day before. He said they are located off 80 East on exit 42. The >>racetrack is one exit up at exit 43. If you're not going, let me know so I >>can cancel the other room. >> >>Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 21:20:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12145; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24347 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11624 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr32-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EXN00KI4LS446@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:38:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:35:59 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - the Latest. To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <007a01bdc734$a8364e40$f34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >> We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this >> subject to drop until we're done. > >Wow, Todd, thanks for taking the bull by the horns. This topic has been >popping up with no one (including myself) willing to take the lead. > >Kirk > Agreed........I'm gonna get a "Want-Ads" tomorrow and see if there is anything in there. I'll keep bugging the tool guys at work too. Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 21:39:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12393; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24458 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11894 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWHSa12041 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:57:29 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <24ffe658.35d38b7b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:57:29 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tire wear - Dunlops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-13 18:50:13 EDT, you write: << Dunlops (207,204, 202 and 364) are all about as triangular as they come, with the 207 feeling like riding on a knife edge. >> I just had a 207ZR rear and a 204 Racing front put on and Collin is right. The turn in on these tires is amazing. Im used to Metzelers with the rounder profile. When I turn her in now she wants to go even lower than I care to go. Not that this is a bad thing of course ; ). I have a TON of confidence in these tires. I recommend them. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 21:49:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12450; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24579 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12089 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26421 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr32-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXN00HRWN4BRL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:07:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:04:54 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Craig needs company up front.. un-huh To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00e801bdc738$b22e0ba0$f34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Alright Craig.. I think Jon S was saying he's fast.. you 2 ought to >arrange for a ride together.. > >Brian P. McCoy Me? I'd love to go on another ride. Maybe next time there won't be 20 guys cramming into the "fast" group. But according to Dale, he'd smoke me in a blink of an eye. Maybe he should be leading some group rides........ 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 22:01:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12618; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24685 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12266 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr32-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EXN00KM7NNZZX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:19:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:16:41 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00f601bdc73a$57bee200$f34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Hey Jon, I'm not interested in a race.. but I'll go out and ride with >you again.. I've got a few thousand miles on my bike now and feel like >I can actually corner unlike last time (I'd put maybe 200 miles on by >then). You can even pick the roads if you want.. Erg, I'll even take >Collin as a passenger to even out the 100cc engine difference. > >Brian P. McCoy We'll have to do that soon. Maybe Collin will get his street bike on the road so he won't have to ride pilon. Forget the cc difference. If I can't keep up in the corners with a lighter, more nimble bike, then you can kick my ass. That's rider, not cc's and I'd deserve it. Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 22:44:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13112; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24984 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13020 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-15.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.56]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10721 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: <048301bdc727$8a74bc00$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Tire mounting tool (thoughts wander to . . .) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:44:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hmmm. You know, the list of people who are seriously interested might be the start of a Dealer-deal -- the group gives a company its business (perhaps minimum dollars) for good (spelled great) prices/service, reviewed annually, etc. Parts, service, mounting, or whatever. Lots of options. ??? Bill Swanson / DC 99 VN750. Being trained. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 13 22:44:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13116; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24987 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13027 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-15.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.56]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10732 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: <048501bdc727$8d6684c0$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: MC Industry Study Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:59:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >From July/August Winding Road Motorcycle Times -- "J.D. Power and Associates, 'an international firm best known for its marketing information services in key business sectors,' will be launching a new study called 'The Motorcycle Competitive Information Study' in early September. 'More than 30,000 questionnaires will be mailed to buyers of all makes and models of new street and dual-sport motorcycles nationwide. The survey will address issues such as shopping dynamics, dealership experience, motorcycle impressions, media usage and rider demographics. Helmet, tire, apparel and other aftermarket features will also be covered. The information gathered will be processed and analyzed, and then made available to motorcycle manufacturer/distributors and aftermarket companies.' It's about time." Well, this plucks all kinds of strings. Their website is http://www.jdpower.com . Anybody else know details? Bill Swanson / DC 99 VN750. Being trained. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 07:39:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17935; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29462 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19151 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA22097 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire mounting tool (thoughts wander to . . .) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:57:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) No thanx. Too much trouble. We don't want to hassle with anyone, we just want a mounter. Glenn > Hmmm. You know, the list of people who are seriously interested might be > the start of a Dealer-deal -- the group gives a company its business > (perhaps minimum dollars) for good (spelled great) prices/service, > reviewed > annually, etc. Parts, service, mounting, or whatever. Lots of options. > ??? > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 08:54:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18436; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29708 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19833 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10577; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666B2@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire wear - Dunlops Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:13:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Be careful running that 204gp on the front. Their stickiness seemed awefully unpredictable to me. I actually prefer the street compound 204 over the gp (but on my heavy 93, the Avon Azarros were 1000 times better than either) The 204 gp had a lot of chatter to it. It would break free, stick, break free, etc. without even getting down to extreme lean angles. > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 7:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Tire wear - Dunlops > > In a message dated 98-08-13 18:50:13 EDT, you write: > > << Dunlops (207,204, 202 and 364) are all about as triangular as they > come, > with the 207 feeling like riding on a knife edge. >> > > I just had a 207ZR rear and a 204 Racing front put on > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 08:58:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18461; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29712 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19861 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10768; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666B3@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Roy D. Turner'" , "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cunning stunts Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:18:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Roy, I'll be racing at Summit Point that weekend. Sorry for any confusion. BUt for those going, look for me along the front straight probably right across from the rest room (so I can go quickly empty my leathers after 8 laps of trying to stop the bike going into turn one!!) Congrats on the new bike. I think you'll be very happy with a GSXR (just don't expect the comfort that you had on that F3!!) I'd be happy to help you with the suspension. Craig's posts about a month ago regarding setup on his TL are a pretty good starting place if you want it set up to really rip up the back woods....I can also dig up my notes from the track which will apply to basically the same bike. Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy D. Turner [SMTP:rdt@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:51 PM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'JOE NAGY'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: cunning stunts > > Collin: I believe I will be driving up to Pocono with my buddy Kevin and > his son Brian. We plan to leave Saturday morning (the 28th) and find a > hotel south of the track. Where exactly are you setting up? > > By the way, I just put a contract on a new 98 GSX-R 750 (Red, grey and > black) at Coleman in Woodbridge. Trey cut me a pretty good deal. I hope to > pick it up this Saturday!! Perhaps you can help me set up the suspension? > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 09:20:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18604; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29853 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20234 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26369 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Burger, Donald '" , "'DC Cycles'" , Todd Peer Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:38:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Alright people, if we are serious about this we need to get off more then $30. My suggestion would be to bump it up to at least $50. $60 or $75 would be better. Glenn > I spoke to a place up in New England somewhere and they told me they > could get us a used machine for between $1,700 and $2,000, can you say > wow this sh*t is expensive? I don't know if that is a good price or not. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 09:29:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18738; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29917 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibmmail.COM (known ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20330 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 6984 ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:48:15 EDT Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:48:07 EDT Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256660.0046912A ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:50:46 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256660.0045CF50.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:47:13 -0400 Subject: digest mode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Could I ask a favor for those of us on the Digest Mode...... please Snip when you reply. Wading through all the attached notes for a short reply is very time consuming. Thank you for your consideration. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 09:34:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18780; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29942 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20405 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA08114; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980814125207.EFVW15633@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:52:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Cornering style/speed X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980814125207.EFVW15633@[166.41.242.141]> Kirk Roy wrote: > >Another person with a different style is Todd. I don't know how he manages >to get around so fast while counter leaning with his upper body. It looks >to me like his shoulders don't follow when he dumps the bike into a >corner. The silver reflective stuff on the back of his jacket makes it >easy to verify... Oh, but don't fix this Todd as you'd just be that much >faster. :) This is too funny! I was just thinking about this very thing this morning! I don't consciously 'sit-up' and counter lean and, I don't know why I do it. Gonna have to make an effort for the full on lean and see if that helps a little. Thanks Kirk! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 09:39:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18809; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29967 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20450 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12263; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:58:54 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666B5@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" , "Allison, Lara" , "Grygiel, Sean" , "Hecker, Lisa" , Jeannette , "Kalro, Jack" , Liam , "Mckenzie-Lane, Janice" , "Meynink, Laura" , Penny , Ralph , Ryan Manning , SHERYL SMITH , Tabitha , Ursulina , "Waters, Tom" Subject: FW: Drivers Education Exam Answers Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:58:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain hmmm...now I know why people drive like they do around here :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kedigh, Stacy D [SMTP:stacy.d.kedigh@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 1998 11:39 AM > To: 'Bob Billak'; 'Bob Deaso'; Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'Dad'; 'Terri' > Subject: Drivers Education Exam Answers > > > > >The following are a sampling of REAL answers received on exams given by > > the > > >California Department of Transportation's driving school (read Saturday > > >Traffic School for moving violation offenders.) > > > > > >Q: Do you yield when a blind pedestrian is crossing the road? > > >A: What for? He can't see my license plate. > > > > > >Q: Who has the right of way when four cars approach a four-way stop at > > the > > >same time? > > >A: The pick up truck with the gun rack and the bumper sticker saying > > "Guns > > >don't kill people. I do." > > > > > >Q: What are the important safety tips to remember when backing your > car? > > >A: Always wear a condom. > > > > > >Q: When driving through fog, what should you use? > > >A: Your car. > > > > > >Q: How can you reduce the possibility of having an accident? > > >A: Be too shit-faced to find your keys. > > > > > >Q: What problems would you face if you were arrested for drunk driving? > > >A: I'd probably lose my buzz a lot faster. > > > > > >Q: What changes would occur in your lifestyle if you could no longer > > drive > > >lawfully? > > >A: I would be forced to drive unlawfully. > > > > > >Q: What are some points to remember when passing or being passed? > > >A: Make eye contact and wave "hello" if he/she is cute. > > > > > >Q: What is the difference between a flashing red traffic light and a > > >flashing yellow traffic light? > > >A: The color. > > > > > >Q: How do you deal with heavy traffic? > > >A: Heavy psychedelics. > > > > > >Q: What can you do to help ease a heavy traffic problem? > > >A: Carry loaded weapons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 09:47:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18925; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00450 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20609 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27496 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:06:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA07334 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256660.0047FA67 ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:06:11 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256660.0047B7BF.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:07:52 -0400 Subject: How Lou says he lost his bike... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline One of the songs Lou Reed played last night was "New Sensation" (the song where he talks about his GPZ)...before the song he was talking a bit...he was like "this song was written back when I was a little younger and had a bike...thats how I broke my hand one night...that wasn't the worst of it, but thats not how I lost the bike...not an accident, but the NY law. I knew I should've become a lawyer!" When he usually first mentioned the GPZ in the song, however, he replaced it with "Harley" :-( Having ridden my japanese bike there, I was a little disappointed, heh heh Just thought I'd mention that... -Doug 81 GS 750 L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 10:04:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19249; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00604 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20962 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA02646 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980814132209.JQIB13385@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:22:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Guns Are Friends X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980814132209.JQIB13385@[166.41.242.141]> You rarely hear about how guns, when properly deployed, are an excellent deterrent to crime. I don't have direct quotes, but the following account appeared in the Springfield Times (free weekly in case you live in the area) yesterday. Check the police blotter section..... << A theft was deterred late Thursday evening when an employee of Cycle Sport Springfield heard a loud crash in front of the store. The employee moved to the front of the store and witnessed a man attempting to remove a trail bike through the frame of where the window once was. Shots were fired and the would-be thief fled (w/o a scratch unfortunately). Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window was stolen. >> Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 10:10:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19312; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00670 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21068 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:28:52 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJOGa26053 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d5c58c4.35d43b71@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:28:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cunning stunts - GSXR susp setup Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-14 09:09:01 EDT, you write: << Craig's posts about a month ago regarding setup on his TL are a pretty good starting place if you want it set up to really rip up the back woods....I can also dig up my notes from the track which will apply to basically the same bike. >> I tried Craigs setup on my TL. Interesting to say the least. In regular cruising it felt WAY to bouncy. But up over 100+ she settled down. Very strange indeed. Those settings are good if you plan on shreding constantly but regular riding left something to be desired. I took Craigs settings and stiffened up the rear at least another full turn. I also stiffened the front about a half turn each. Regular riding is much more enjoyable now. A _small_ wallow is felt at high speed but much less than before. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 10:15:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19363; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00723 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21147 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-10.dial.nova.org (ra1-10.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.170]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA19204 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: digest mode Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:35:33 GMT Message-ID: <35d73c76.591648190@beta.nova.org> References: <85256660.0045CF50.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> In-Reply-To: <85256660.0045CF50.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:47:13 -0400, ddiefend@XXXXXX wrote: >Could I ask a favor for those of us on the Digest Mode...... please = Snip >when you reply. Wading through all the attached notes for a short = reply >is very time consuming. Thank you for your consideration. Dave I know that must be irritating. I wonder if you could export the digest to a plain text file and then import it back in. Using Agent this will split the digest up into individual messages. I'll bet other e-mail packages will do the same. I'm sure you could do this using something like PINE too but I don't know how... I can't imagine just scrolling through the digest at all, let alone having to deal with the same quoted material over and over. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 10:32:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19584; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01051 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21714 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p8dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.40]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16114; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: <045701bdc787$2437f000$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:26:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Should we start a bank account for this project and others like it? I'll look into it today if you'd like. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 11:52 AM Subject: Tire Mounting - the Latest. > >Here is our new and latest list of pledges toward our Tire Mounting >Tool. > >We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this >subject to drop until we're done. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 10:35:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19609; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01116 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21872 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256660.004CF39D ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:00:31 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256660.004CC9E5.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:00:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Alright people, if we are serious about this we need to get off more then $30. My suggestion would be to bump it up to at least $50. $60 or $75 would be better. Glenn I'm in for whatever it takes. It looks like $60 each will get us in the ball park. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 10:40:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19715; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01205 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22092 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01075 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980814135901.ERXI15633@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:59:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire Mounting - the Latest 08/14/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980814135901.ERXI15633@[166.41.242.141]> Glen Dysart wrote: >Alright people, if we are serious about this we need to get off more then >$30. My suggestion would be to bump it up to at least $50. $60 or $75 >would be better. > >Glenn >> I spoke to a place up in New England somewhere and they told me they >> could get us a used machine for between $1,700 and $2,000, can you say >> wow this sh*t is expensive? I don't know if that is a good price or not. With our latest pledge count, 39, here are the scenarios based on 40: $30 * 40 = $1,200 $50 * 40 = $2,000 $75 * 40 = $3,000 I'd opt for the $30 contribution, but would go to $50, not $75: 1 Tom Trask 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 Mark Sommerfield 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Urulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro 28 David Sward 29 Louis Caplan 30 Chris Meier 31 Frank Artes 32 John Kozyn 33 Richard Westbrook 34 Franz (sesent@XXXXXX) 35 Jay St. Peter 36 Aki Damme 37 David Wakefield 38 Bill Swanson 39 Ralph Wiens From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 10:45:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19872; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01266 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22216 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980814140629.7610.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1c; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:06:29 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Cornering style/speed To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Kirk Roy wrote: > I think the real difference between Craig and the rest of us is his lack > of 'fear' at corner entrances. Kirk, it's not so much a "lack of fear"...as it is a knowledge of the ability of me & bike. I fear, and I would be a fool not to. I just know what I am capable of, and stay well within my ability level while leaving plenty of room for emergency corrections. I never- ride= above 85% on the street, espically with a group. While I know I was a bit off this past > weekend I don't think I'd enter corners as fast as Craig does even if I > was 'on'. Knowing that you and machine are "1" together,and what this team is capable of helps this. Even more interesting to me is that Craig rides parallel to the > center line ("hugging" the center line, is what he called it). semi-correct...Not hugging the center line as in riding on top of it , but using it as a guide through the corner....for the line I am going to use...trying to stay in a groove and make a nice smooth line around the corner... Which often leads to a tighter line..instead of arcing from the outside-in hitting the apex... which is also fun , but we are not traveling at speeds great enough to warrant this type of behavior. >which doesn't give you as much > of a view of the corner as starting from the outside SIPD..remember this ??? S=scan I=identify P=predict D=decide live it , learn it, use it all the time.... espically..."expect the unexpected". depending on the severity of the corner I will move around to improve my view...while always looking as far ahead as possible..... > and entering corners > with extreme confidence is a little bit weird to me. I've ridden with a > fair number of good riders and Craig is the only one to exhibit these characteristics. I'm a bit envious of his confidence. don't be envious just go out and ride and practice...the more you ride the more you learn... I'm not so > sure that I'd want to emulate this style though... please don't, we all have our own style and what works for one may not work for another.... I do learn things just > about every time I follow someone different. see it's already working ;~) Every time I ride I make myself learn something new about me and the bike as a unit... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:00:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20422; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01912 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22572 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA21703; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:21:07 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma020705; Fri, 14 Aug 98 10:19:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXO00LMTNOL1T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256660.004E67A4 ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:16:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:13:41 -0400 Subject: What about THIS weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256660.004E2A7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've seen a few e-mails planning things in the coming weeks, but what about this weekend? I have a *very* free Saturday and will be out for a long ride ... did I miss posts about any group rides? Anita?, Todd? WSDYMFG? Please let me know, chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:07:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20539; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02049 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22743 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:28:05 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:27:34 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX Subject: RE: PA Trip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Matt, My folks live 66 miles south of Pittsburgh and I'm going up there tonight = for the whole week. Not taking the bike though. :-( The cooler just = won't fit on the back. :-) The way I usually go home is 270N to 70W to = 68W and then take the Keyser's Ridge/Uniontown exit on to 40W. I think = it's exit 15, but I'm not sure. The exit sign says Uniontown on it = though. Off the exit there'll be a stop light and a "T", make a left. = There's also a Citgo, McDonalds and some other restuarants and stuff here. = Nice two-lane road with a ride down a winding mountain. I usually get = off at the bottom of the mountain, but you would want to stay on 40W until = you get to Little Washington. Yes, there's a city in Pennsylvania called = Little Washington. Get off 40W on to 79N to Pittsburgh. I think you can = figure out the rest from there. You'll have some nice 2-lane roads on 40 = and no PA turnpike. If this has thoroughly confused you or you have any = questions give me a call. Work: 202-342-5257 Home-DC: 202-554-0374 Or, = if you're going to be in the Pittsburgh area this weekend/week, give me a = call at my folks, 724-966-5426. Also, a good place to stop for a break is the Sideling Hill Exhibit = Center. It's about 7 miles after you get on 68W from 70W, approximately = 110 miles from DC. Ride safe. Scooter MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:34:05 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: PA Trip (and subscribing) Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline I know I'll probably catch some flamage for sending this to the list, but = will someone kindly send me the subcribe and unsubscribe messages for this = list? I need to change my email address for this list. Secondly, and DC-MC related, does anyone have suggestions on a good route = from the area to Pittsburgh, OTHER THAN the standard 522 to 70 to 76? I'd like = to avoid the PA turnpike as much as possible, and would love some good 2 lane roads to hit to get there. Thanks much!! Matt 95 Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:11:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20593; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02090 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22806 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01324 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA12378 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:29:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199808141429.KAA12378@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:29:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:29:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:29:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:28:37 -0400 Subject: all this talk about protective clothing... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME With all the recent banter about leathers vs jeans vs full face vs lidless etc..I though the following post in the SABMAG list might reiterate the importance of wearing protective clothing..if nothing else, a full face helmet... >X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by cpmt2.cyberport.net >X-Sender: tfreeman@XXXXXX >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:50:34 -0600 >Reply-To: Honda Sabre and Magna Motorcycle Owners >Sender: Honda Sabre and Magna Motorcycle Owners >From: Tim Freeman >Subject: Let's be Safe out there >To: SABMAG@XXXXXX > >A Washington couple in their mid-50s were returning home from Sturgis on a >Harley, passing thru the area, when they hit a deer and went down at >cruising speed. They were wearing open-face helmets, T-shirts, jeans and >light boots. I spent this evening in the operating room cleaning out gashed >knees, considerable road rash over arms and feet. The driver had a broken >clavicle and scapula, the lady had a broken thumb. They both had matching >abrasions of the chin and nose. It appears that they slid on arms and knees >and face. > >Moral of the story: > 1) Despite the heat, wear your protective gear. I think that with >leather jacket and chaps or pants, they would have been unscathed. Even the >jeans seemed to help except at the knees. Good boots would have saved some >serious foot injuries. > 2) Full-face helmets are a must. > >Tomorrow I will try to put some wear on the edges of my 205s, in the full >leathers. Be safe. > >Tim Freeman >Kalispell, Montana >tfreeman@XXXXXX >1986 VF700C Magna -- "Pearl" >1985 VF1100C Magna -- "Christine" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:20:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20680; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02213 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23022 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-10.dial.nova.org (ra1-10.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.170]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA20553 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cornering style/speed Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:39:33 GMT Message-ID: <35e045ca.594036906@beta.nova.org> References: <19980814140629.7610.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> In-Reply-To: <19980814140629.7610.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT), Craig wrote: >Kirk, it's not so much a "lack of fear"...as it is a knowledge of the >ability of me & bike. Sure, I didn't so much mean fear as much as I meant confidence - something I realize is based on knowledge. >Knowing that you and machine are "1" together,and what this team is >capable of helps this.=20 I don't feel this way consistently. Also, even as a kid on the little dirt bikes I was always more cautious than the other kids when I couldn't see well ahead. I was reading something yesterday (I think it was in BIKE magazine) that hit the nail on the head. The guy mentioned how instincts are counter to what your bike does and what it is capable of (e.g., your instinct says slow down but that loads the front end bringing you closer to the problems you're trying to avoid). All of the guys that I think of as better riders than me seem to have largely overcome instinct (or what Keith Code calls Survival Reactions). I need more practice to get to that point, although I can turn the instincts off on occasion. >don't be envious just go out and ride and practice...the more you ride >the more you learn... You got it! The envy is more based on the fact that I can't get out and practice as much as a lot of you guys. You've seen me on all but one of the recreational rides I've done in the last 3 months. That was only 3 rides... Somehow, there aren't that many good practice opportunities between College Park and Rockville (my commute). I'm really quite good at riding in traffic though. :) There has been one isolated occurence of me getting to apply some of my commuting skills at the Battletrax thing in Frederick. That was a blast! >> I do learn things just about every time I follow someone different. > >see it's already working ;~) Learning and applying are a little bit different though. I can understand a lot of things in my head which I can't yet put into practice. On the road it can be difficult since there are so many other factors to be concerned with (other riders - both familiar and unfamiliar, cars, gravel, etc). I'm pretty easily distracted and it can take me some effort to focus on something. I like rides where I'm the only one going at a brisk pace so I can separate myself from the others and get some real practice. I plan on doing a track school and some track days to get some concentrated practice (hopefully on days in which I'm better able to concentrate). Of course, I don't plan to apply the absolute speeds of track riding to the street but just the general techniques. I should mention that I've ridden with a lot of good riders through dc-cycles. I've come a long way over the past year partly due to the good company... Thanks guys! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:22:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20696; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02249 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23144 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p8dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.40]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17953; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:14:26 -0400 Message-ID: <047101bdc78e$17c34ac0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Todd Peer" , "Kirk Roy" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Cornering style/speed Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:16:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Well, what I can say after riding the Nighthawk is that the riding position isn't what I'd call aggressive. I'm sure you have to work harder to get that thing over because none of your weight is on top of the bars. I'd love to see you do some knee-draggin on that thing though. You'd stop dragging those high pegs! -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Cornering style/speed > >Kirk Roy wrote: >> >>Another person with a different style is Todd. I don't know how he manages >>to get around so fast while counter leaning with his upper body. It looks >>to me like his shoulders don't follow when he dumps the bike into a >>corner. The silver reflective stuff on the back of his jacket makes it >>easy to verify... Oh, but don't fix this Todd as you'd just be that much >>faster. :) > > This is too funny! I was just thinking about this very thing > this morning! > > I don't consciously 'sit-up' and counter lean and, I don't know > why I do it. Gonna have to make an effort for the full on lean > and see if that helps a little. > > Thanks Kirk! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:29:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20749; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02696 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23706 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-10.dial.nova.org (ra1-10.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.170]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA20769 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cornering style/speed Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:49:02 GMT Message-ID: <35e34d22.595916969@beta.nova.org> References: <047101bdc78e$17c34ac0$3bf31bce@richard> In-Reply-To: <047101bdc78e$17c34ac0$3bf31bce@richard> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:16:09 -0400, "Thomas H. Gimer" wrote: >Well, what I can say after riding the Nighthawk is that the riding = position >isn't what I'd call aggressive. I'm sure you have to work harder to get >that thing over because none of your weight is on top of the bars. Hmmm, the weight being on top of the bars is one of the things that confused me about the sport bikes I rode this weekend. It wasn't clear to me how I was supposed to steer the things... The bars on the Hawk are in line with the strength in my upper body and I could apply a lot of leverage to them (although that'd be completely unnecessary). I've also ridden Hawks with low clip-ons and was equally confused riding them. Todd's Nighthawk is closer to my bike in bar feel than the VFR or F3 I rode (and I can't imagine an extreme bike like a GSXR750). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:30:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20767; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02831 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23795 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 461; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:48:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980814104833.00ba9300@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:48:35 -0400 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Guns Are Friends Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window >was stolen. I have never seen a Honda Acura. I drive an Integra. Is that like a Toyota Lexus? :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:32:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20820; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03174 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23831 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17006; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:48:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666BA@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Guns Are Friends Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:48:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain This is beautiful....I love news like this guns and motorcycles together in a good way...(see ma, I told ya so..he he he) Although, if the employee had hit the guy, he'd probably go to jail for it..... Freaking liberal puke legislators... :) (here we go again) I think we should be able to use force to protect property as well as life....but hey...I'm from them there back woods so...... (even though it's not allowed by law, I wouldn't advise a thief to attempt to steal anything of mine.....at least 4 fully loaded high power weapons handy, and I'm sure I could articulate to a jury how I though my life was in jeapardy :)) << > Shots > were fired and the would-be thief fled (w/o a scratch unfortunately). > Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window > was stolen. > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:37:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20876; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03438 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24197 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980814145523.25621.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.122.54.194] by send1b; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:55:23 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: James Campbell Subject: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After getting my first street bike ever in May, I have decided I want something that is flickable. OK. I have an HD FatBoy and I think it is the best motorcycle for me to own. Bar none. That isn't the point. The point is that I find myself ALSO NEEDING (or as my wife says WANTING or DREAMING) a Buell (S3T) or TL1000 or GSXR or Ducati or something. I want to move to the Sport Bike by getting a reliable, flickable, lightweight, easy to maintain bike to learn on. I was inspired by a few articles at activebike.com about getting into sport/sport touring riding by starting out small. I'm thinking a 250 might do the job (I'm 5'11" @ 180) Here are the questions: Is something like a new Ninja 250 (equiv. from other companies) very expensive? What used crotch rockets might be the best for this endevor? And why? What bikes in the import/sport world are known for problems? Can this bike double as a learner for my better half? Are the 250 sports easy to insure? ------ You can ping me private with your answers and I'll summarize, or you can air it out in public. TIA for the help. Sarge 98 FatBoy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:41:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20925; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03697 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24294 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA06477; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:58:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980814145820.KNZJ13385@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:58:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Bank account. Was: Tire Mounting - the Latest. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980814145820.KNZJ13385@[166.41.242.141]> That might not be a bad Idea, but it might be more of a pain than it's worth. Besides, who gets to write the checks? Tom, this sort of talk leads to organization and eventually...blech..club likeness. However at the risk of sounding club like (hell we don't even have a LOGO yet :), an account would probably be a good thing. I'd hate to see any one individual carry the burden of collecting checks , worrying about bounced checks, and writing personal ones for a purchase. But on the lighter side, I've rarely known one motorcyclist dick over another on matters of money like this one. Hmmmm. I'd vote first that if someone wants the responsibility, using their own personal account, that'd be the way to go. If no volunteers, let's look at a bank account. Todd Message-ID: <045701bdc787$2437f000$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:26:22 -0400 Should we start a bank account for this project and others like it? I'll look into it today if you'd like. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 11:52 AM Subject: Tire Mounting - the Latest. > >Here is our new and latest list of pledges toward our Tire Mounting >Tool. > >We are over $1,000. Is this enough to purchase? I don't want this >subject to drop until we're done. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:44:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21004; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03919 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24392 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z7LNA-0004J7-00; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:02:32 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:01:13 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C5A7@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - the Latest. Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:00:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ...and trust our money to a future lawyer!!?? ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 9:26 AM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - the Latest. > > Should we start a bank account for this project and others like it? > > I'll look into it today if you'd like. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:49:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21061; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04272 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24517 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA17960; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:07:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980814150750.FJRM15633@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:07:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Michael Troutman" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Guns Are Friends X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980814150750.FJRM15633@[166.41.242.141]> Yes! :) Just goes to show you how much I pay attention to cars. I thought that the Accura is to Honda like Pontiac is to GM, like Lexus is to Toyota. Built by the same people and all way overpriced. Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980814104833.00ba9300@www.troutman.org> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:48:35 -0400 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Guns Are Friends >Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window >was stolen. I have never seen a Honda Acura. I drive an Integra. Is that like a Toyota Lexus? :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21060; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04266 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24513 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA03021; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980814150752.FJRS15633@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:07:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Guns Are Friends X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980814150752.FJRS15633@[166.41.242.141]> Collin Fagen wrote: >I wouldn't advise a thief to attempt >to steal anything of mine.....at least 4 fully loaded high power weapons >handy, and I'm sure I could articulate to a jury how I though my life was in >jeapardy :)) Shoot to kill. Dead men don't lie. > << >> Shots >> were fired and the would-be thief fled (w/o a scratch unfortunately). >> Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window >> was stolen. >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:55:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21172; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04667 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24753 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z7LXi-00063J-00; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:13:26 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:12:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C5A8@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - the Latest 08/14/98 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:11:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Tom & I'd go for $50, as well, but not $75... - Jeannette > I'd opt for the $30 contribution, but would go to $50, not $75: > > > 1 Tom Trask > 2 Glenn Dysart > 3 Dale Horstman > 4 Tom Mersch > 5 Collin Fagen > 6 Steve Beck > 7 Mark Sommerfield > 8 Kirk Roy > 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) > 10 Jeannette O'Brien > 11 Tom Zell > 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) > 13 Alex Milenkovic > 14 Donald Burger > 15 Robert VanSlyke > 16 George Howell > 17 Jon Schumer > 18 Zbig Tyrlik > 19 Mike Benedict > 20 David Cross > 21 Linda Tanner > 22 Sean Sullivan > 23 Tom Gimer > 24 Gil Nissley > 25 Todd Peer > 26 Urulina Viteri > 27 Anita Lauro > 28 David Sward > 29 Louis Caplan > 30 Chris Meier > 31 Frank Artes > 32 John Kozyn > 33 Richard Westbrook > 34 Franz (sesent@XXXXXX) > 35 Jay St. Peter > 36 Aki Damme > 37 David Wakefield > 38 Bill Swanson > 39 Ralph Wiens > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:58:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21262; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04773 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24839 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:17:21 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWULa19316 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8228fdfd.35d45499@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:15:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: tire changer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I just called an ad in the Post for a tire changer for sale in Silver Spring. It's gone already but the guy said that it was 10 years old and went for $1000. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 11:59:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21267; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04803 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24891 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013ED@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:16:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wanna do something on Saturday.. but I've a party tonight and one tomorrow night that are both 'must attends' on my part. So I'm thinking any ride I do tomorrow will be shorter (300 miles tops).. but I'm game. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- I have a *very* free Saturday and will be out for a long ride ... did I miss posts about any group rides? Anita?, Todd? WSDYMFG? Please let me know, chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:05:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21343; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05036 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25119 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:29:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:29:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Friday, August 14, 1998 10:14 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > I have a *very* free Saturday and will be out for a long ride ... did I > miss posts about any group rides? Anita?, Todd? WSDYMFG? Chris, I hadn't made any riding plans for the weekend as of yet (but this IS Friday, isn't it?). I was going to take it easy after last weekend, but if you have something fun in mind I could be tempted to tag along... :-) No WSDY type rides for me, though -- I found out that my confidence was shaken after my crash, and I'm riding a bit (more) pokey these days! Did you have any routes/destinations in mind? Anita '96 GPZ1100 (sitting at Cycle Sport, waiting for the d*mn insurance guy to show up) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:19:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21483; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05243 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25466 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:37:52 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA15685; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:39:59 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa15009; Fri, 14 Aug 98 11:38:10 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXO00567RC18Q@XXXXXX>; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256660.00559F4E ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:35:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:34:21 -0400 Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? To: Anita Lauro Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256660.00558D4B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Anita (and all), No, I didn't have any rides in mind or planned routes. I was kinda hoping to just tag along on someone else's organizational planning this weekend (It's been one of those weeks) ... If necessary, I can organize something, but really was looking for "already planned" rides. --chris To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Anita Lauro Date: 08/14/98 03:29:36 PM GMT Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? On Friday, August 14, 1998 10:14 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > I have a *very* free Saturday and will be out for a long ride ... did I > miss posts about any group rides? Anita?, Todd? WSDYMFG? Chris, I hadn't made any riding plans for the weekend as of yet (but this IS Friday, isn't it?). I was going to take it easy after last weekend, but if you have something fun in mind I could be tempted to tag along... :-) No WSDY type rides for me, though -- I found out that my confidence was shaken after my crash, and I'm riding a bit (more) pokey these days! Did you have any routes/destinations in mind? Anita '96 GPZ1100 (sitting at Cycle Sport, waiting for the d*mn insurance guy to show up) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:19:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21510; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05251 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25474 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCNTa11435 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b94ea3d.35d459af@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:37:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What about THIS weekend? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-14 11:09:52 EDT, you write: << I have a *very* free Saturday and will be out for a long ride ... did I miss posts about any group rides? Anita?, Todd? WSDYMFG? >> Im up for a spirited ride tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:20:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21525; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05265 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25501 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 15:39:02 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29185 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic Reply-To: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What about THIS weekend? In-Reply-To: <85256660.004E2A7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > I've seen a few e-mails planning things in the coming weeks, but what about > this weekend? > > I have a *very* free Saturday and will be out for a long ride ... did I > miss posts about any group rides? Anita?, Todd? WSDYMFG? > > Please let me know, > chris I just got word from Fast Lane, and my new chain (sprocket was in great shape, like I said) is on, whoo! Which means I can go for a nice, long ride this weekend. The weather seems the iffy thing, but if it holds out, saturday-sunday is all okay with me. And now that I have the VFR, I shouldn't be suffering over long distances! So... Whats the plan, stan? Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:32:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21887; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05515 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25893 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20050; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:49:08 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666C5@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Michael Troutman'" , Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Guns Are Friends Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:49:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain he he he....if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck..... Aren't they just hyped up Honda's anyway :) just kidding of course..never been in or around one enough to make opinions and since they don't make "real" 4 wheel drives yet, I've never really thought about it.. Boy, I guess I've really identified myself as a redneck today :) Got me my 4 wheel drive truck, a big gun rack...."woman where's my beer!!!!" (Man I hope my wife doesn't read this...she'll whoop me good) > -----Original Message----- > > >Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window > >was stolen. > > I have never seen a Honda Acura. I drive an Integra. Is that like a > Toyota Lexus? :-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:34:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21916; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05566 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25969 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:58:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:58:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, my next foray into Dale Coyner's book was going to be something up in the Gettysburg area... I can check and see what looks interesting. Of course, just to get to Gettysburg is 70 miles (from Sterling). There were also some interesting ride sheets on the web... we could grab one of those and see where we end up! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:36:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21940; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05662 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26090 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WSLOa29489 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:54:25 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guns Are Friends Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-14 11:43:09 EDT, you write: << Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window >was stolen. I have never seen a Honda Acura. I drive an Integra. Is that like a Toyota Lexus? :-) >> Actually this is interesting because a few weeks ago someone ran their car into the front of Colemans in FC. They succeeded in stealing a mini bike. Hmm, you go to the trouble to crash into a shop and steal a MINI BIKE? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:49:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22185; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06263 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26712 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WDQAa11436 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9e8b9c57.35d460c4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:07:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-14 11:49:18 EDT, you write: << Is something like a new Ninja 250 (equiv. from other companies) very expensive?>> Not from what Ive seen. Usually ads in the Post for used 250s ~$1000. << What used crotch rockets might be the best for this endevor? And why?>> Well Id say it depends on whether flickable is more important than power. ZX6's are good. I had one awhile back, good bike. < What bikes in the import/sport world are known for problems?> Actually one of the DREAM bikes you stated, the TL1000. I own a 97TL1000s. While mine has been problem free, some are problem prone. Be careful. But I will say that I LOVE THIS BIKE! < Can this bike double as a learner for my better half?> A ninja 250 yes, a ZX6 no, a TL1000? (better start funeral preparations) <> Basically with a good record they will be substantially cheaper than the rest. Jack PS- if all you are used to riding is the Harley then stay away from the TL, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 12:58:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22276; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07179 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26895 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.28 (pix000077.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.89]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA05957; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:12:54 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9808141214.AA51166@172.17.2.28> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:14:51 -0300 From: ("Matt Elliott - DIGEX") To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Guns Are Friends Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Very TRUE! I once heard that in Switzerland, where the majority of folks own high power rifles as part of the national 'militia', the crime rate is one of the lowest in the world. No facts, I heard this a few years ago. Would you want to rob someone who you know has 30.06 staring you in the face?? Makes sense. Matt > > You rarely hear about how guns, when properly deployed, are an > excellent deterrent to crime. > > I don't have direct quotes, but the following account appeared in > the Springfield Times (free weekly in case you live in the area) > yesterday. > Check the police blotter section..... > > << > A theft was deterred late Thursday evening when an employee of Cycle > Sport Springfield heard a loud crash in front of the store. The > employee moved to the front of the store and witnessed a man attempting > to remove a trail bike through the frame of where the window once > was. Shots were fired and the would-be thief fled (w/o a > scratch unfortunately). > Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window was > stolen. > >> > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 13:00:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22317; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07501 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall-r.insuremarket.com (known mailhost.ifscorp.com [205.130.198.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26917 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by firewall-r.insuremarket.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id MAA21686; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:19:04 -0400 Received: from oman.insuremarket.com(172.23.2.69) by firewall-r.insuremarket.com via smap (3.1) id xma021683; Fri, 14 Aug 98 12:18:34 -0400 Received: from ifscorp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oman.insuremarket.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA12650 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:16:41 -0400 Sender: tad@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35D462E8.2F6448B0@ifscorp.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:16:41 -0400 From: Thomas De Boeser Organization: Interactive Insurance Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en,java MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? References: <19980814145523.25621.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buy used. And make it a VFR (honda), you'll probably end up selling the HD :^) . James Campbell wrote: > After getting my first street bike ever in May, I have decided I > want something that is flickable. > OK. I have an HD FatBoy and I think it is the best motorcycle for me > to own. Bar none. That isn't the point. > The point is that I find myself ALSO NEEDING (or as my wife says > WANTING or DREAMING) a Buell (S3T) or TL1000 or GSXR or Ducati or > something. > I want to move to the Sport Bike by getting a reliable, flickable, > lightweight, easy to maintain bike to learn on. I was inspired by a > few articles at activebike.com about getting into sport/sport touring > riding by starting out small. > > I'm thinking a 250 might do the job (I'm 5'11" @ 180) > > Here are the questions: > > Is something like a new Ninja 250 (equiv. from other companies) very > expensive? > What used crotch rockets might be the best for this endevor? And why? > What bikes in the import/sport world are known for problems? > Can this bike double as a learner for my better half? > Are the 250 sports easy to insure? > ------ > You can ping me private with your answers and I'll summarize, or you > can air it out in public. > > TIA for the help. > Sarge > 98 FatBoy > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Thomas De Boeser Interactive Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ ~~~~~~~~ "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 13:16:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22441; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09735 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27399 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:35:25 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013EE@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:33:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, this is all subjective.. but I like your insipration (thanks Kirk for posting that addy to us). Leon will be your BEST source about street riding a ninja 250, bar none (in this area). I'll leave riding impression to him (Leon's a tall gent, I'd guess 6' or a little over that). Personally, I seem to see only the newer ones that are as expensive as say and 93 EX500 (ninja 500). As for used sportbikes (in the smaller variety) and prices, I tend to see them as follows: Kawasaki Pre-92 EX500s for up to $2000 in good shape 92-94 EX500s for up to $3500 in good shape 94-current EX500s for more.. not an option in my book. Suzuki Post-90 GS550 for $2,000~$3000 (don't see a whole lot of these for some reason) Any Bandit 400 $2500 for a good condition one Pre 93 Bandit 600 up to $3000 Yamaha Pre 93 Seca 2 - up to $3000 FZR400 - (only imported in 88 and 89) - $2500 for most I see Honda Hawk - these things are a cult fashion, you'll be lucky to find one for less than $3000 anymore VF500f - good condition, they can be had for $1000 I'm sure I'm missing some, or off on prices.. but those seem About right. All of these bikes would be perfect for a beginer bike as well as a training tool for sport riding. Depending on the legs on your 'better half', you might want to research seat heights. Also, the FZR400 and Hawk are probably the 2 most 'sporting' of the bikes, with the EX500 folowing closely - meaning they'll have a slightly more 'radical' position. Not really all that bad (Kirk would probably be happy to let you test ride his Hawk so you can feel it out first) when compaired to some of the bikes out there though. As for problems, all the makes and modles have some problems.. I think the only problem with Honda is that they didn't continue the Hawk.. it seems to be a perfect bike.... None of these should be any more of a hassle or cost to insure than your Harley... Were it me, personally, doing what you plan to. I would look for an EX500. There are lots arround, they're dead reliable, cheap to fix when they need it and basically very good machines. Oh, cheap to buy too, which is always something I'm looking for in a motorcycle.. Best of luck though Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- Is something like a new Ninja 250 (equiv. from other companies) very expensive? What used crotch rockets might be the best for this endevor? And why? What bikes in the import/sport world are known for problems? Can this bike double as a learner for my better half? Are the 250 sports easy to insure? ------ You can ping me private with your answers and I'll summarize, or you can air it out in public. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 13:20:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22515; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10310 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27543 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 16:38:51 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02600 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? In-Reply-To: <19980814145523.25621.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, James Campbell wrote: [snip] > I want to move to the Sport Bike by getting a reliable, flickable, > lightweight, easy to maintain bike to learn on. I was inspired by a > few articles at activebike.com about getting into sport/sport touring > riding by starting out small. > > I'm thinking a 250 might do the job (I'm 5'11" @ 180) > > Here are the questions: > > Is something like a new Ninja 250 (equiv. from other companies) very > expensive? About $3000, I believe. I may be wrong, haven't priced new 250s in quite a while. > What used crotch rockets might be the best for this endevor? And why? EX500 is pretty much the accepted standard "learning" bike reccomendation. It also goes by the name of "Ninja 500." Its a very competant all around sportbike, and retails for $4000 new. You can find a decent used one for $2000-3000 (94-96ish). They aren't stellar bikes, but for the money, its an excellent machine. If you're looking for something better (and more expensive) a CBR600F3 is the all around "best" 600, from everything I've read and heard. They corner very well, have good performance, and are very solid and well built bikes. Basically, there are other 600s that are faster (zx-6) or corner better (gsxr), but nothing touches the F3 for all around use. A used '96 will typically run you $5000. > What bikes in the import/sport world are known for problems? Hmm.. Ducatis/Triumphs/Laverdas. Mainly non Jap stuff. > Can this bike double as a learner for my better half? I'd say she'd be more comfortable on an EX500 than a CBR600F3. Less power, less likely to get in trouble.. > Are the 250 sports easy to insure? For my '94 VFR 750, I pay $450 a year for full coverage, and I'm only 21. You should be paying $200ish for a 250, full coverage. > TIA for the help. > Sarge > 98 FatBoy My honest reccomendation would be to look at Ninja 500s/ CBR600s. A 250 is a good learning bike, but you will quickly outgrow it, and they are bikes that are better on the racetrack (their lightness and flickability) than on the street (the very peaky and narrow powerband). A 500 is a better mix of learning/long term bike, and you will outgrow that one slower. A 600 may be a bit overwhelming for a total newbie, but if you ride harleys, I doubt you will have a problem - and you wont outgrow that one for quite a while. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 13:29:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22665; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10869 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27866 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA03607 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:47:47 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:47:47 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Guns Are Friends Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:49:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Hmm, you go to the trouble to crash into a shop and steal a MINI BIKE? Maybe they had a small car??? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 13:33:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22718; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10984 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28290 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA04362 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:52:17 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:52:17 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:53:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Well, my next foray into Dale Coyner's book was going to be something up >in the Gettysburg area... If you're going to be going up the Rt 15 corridor, Robert Van Slyke and I will be marshalling a bike race in Buckeystown, MD on Sunday morning (early) if anyone is in the area and would like to check out the action. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 13:36:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22755; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11085 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28352 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA04917 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:55:11 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:55:11 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Drivel - (no M/C content) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:56:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Just something that crossed my screen and I thought I'd share with (impose on?) the group :-P What if Dr Seuss Wrote a Computer Manual If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort, And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort, Then the socket packet pocket has an error to report. If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, And the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash, And your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash, Then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash! If the label on the cable on the table at your house, Says the network is connected to the button on your mouse, But your packets want to tunnel on another protocol, That's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall, And your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss, So your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse, Then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang, 'Cause as sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang! When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disk, And the microcode instructions cause unnecessary risk, Then you have to flash your memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM. Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your mom. Have a good weekend, whichever way you ride - Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 13:57:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22962; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11467 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28914 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24154; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:17:24 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666C7@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Anita Lauro'" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:17:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm a geography rock, so I have no idea how far Antietam is from Gettysburg..... I have a copy of the CAMS go to Antietam ride sheet on my web page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html I haven't ridden it, but a few other listers have and could add comment if needed... Collin > There were also some interesting ride sheets on the web... we could grab > one of those and see where we end up! :-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 14:11:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23151; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11691 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29556 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA17423; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:32:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017343; Fri, 14 Aug 98 13:31:33 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXO00ADFWKYG3@XXXXXX>; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256660.005FFEC6 ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:28:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:26:14 -0400 Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Cc: "'Anita Lauro'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256660.00600226.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Thanks Collin. I remember seeing that ride, and I have been wanting to take either that route or the covered bridges one. --chris To: 'Anita Lauro' , Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Date: 08/14/98 05:17:21 PM GMT Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? I'm a geography rock, so I have no idea how far Antietam is from Gettysburg..... I have a copy of the CAMS go to Antietam ride sheet on my web page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html I haven't ridden it, but a few other listers have and could add comment if needed... Collin > There were also some interesting ride sheets on the web... we could grab > one of those and see where we end up! :-) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 14:14:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23184; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11730 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29611 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z7Nie-0007ls-00; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:32:52 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:31:33 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C5AB@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:31:09 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Honda used VF 500 was my starter bike, I loved it. - Jeannette > > Can this bike double as a learner for my better half? > > Are the 250 sports easy to insure? > > ------ > > You can ping me private with your answers and I'll summarize, or you > > can air it out in public. > > > > TIA for the help. > > Sarge > > 98 FatBoy > > -- > Thomas De Boeser > Interactive Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com > a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com > Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ > ~~~~~~~~ > "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 14:18:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23258; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11823 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29737 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:43:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Cc: Anita Lauro , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:42:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Friday, August 14, 1998 1:26 PM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > Thanks Collin. I remember seeing that ride, and I have been wanting to > take either that route or the covered bridges one. The covered bridge one is only about 80 miles... maybe we could do both! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 14:20:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23331; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11869 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29782 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:39:17 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQSEa04160 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:38:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-14 13:25:52 EDT, you write: << Were it me, personally, doing what you plan to. I would look for an EX500. There are lots arround, they're dead reliable, cheap to fix when they need it and basically very good machines. Oh, cheap to buy too, which is always something I'm looking for in a motorcycle.. >> Ive never ridden an EX but I learned to ride on an 89 GS500. That is a great beginner bike. Comfortable (and Im 6'4), quick, easy to work on, etc. Not expensive either. The one I bought was $1200. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 14:36:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23446; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12637 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00319 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:52:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:55:06 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Guns Are Friends -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline It's true. The "Swiss Army" is made of able-bodied adults who actually have to train and re-qualify every year with the (gov't. issued) weapon they're required to have in their homes. It'd be like having an M-16 in your closet. Flamers, please note "train and re-qualify." Joe >>> "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" - 8/14/98 11:14 AM >>> Very TRUE! I once heard that in Switzerland, where the majority of folks own high power rifles as part of the national 'militia', the crime rate is one of the lowest in the world. No facts, I heard this a few years ago. Would you want to rob someone who you know has 30.06 staring you in the face?? Makes sense. Matt > > You rarely hear about how guns, when properly deployed, are an > excellent deterrent to crime. > > I don't have direct quotes, but the following account appeared in > the Springfield Times (free weekly in case you live in the area) > yesterday. > Check the police blotter section..... > > << > A theft was deterred late Thursday evening when an employee of Cycle > Sport Springfield heard a loud crash in front of the store. The > employee moved to the front of the store and witnessed a man attempting > to remove a trail bike through the frame of where the window once > was. Shots were fired and the would-be thief fled (w/o a > scratch unfortunately). > Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window was > stolen. > >> > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 14:51:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23896; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12889 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00905 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:07:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:09:58 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, army_sergeant@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'd add to the list: Yam FZ 400 or 600, Hon 500 Interceptor, Honda Hawk, Kaw EX 500, Suz Bandit 600, Suz GS 500. All good small sporty bikes. Budget will determine, as will air-cooled vs. liquid maintenance, (air's easier IME), as will degree of squid damage, esp. on FZs & Ninja 600s. Joe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 15:11:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24083; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13701 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01508 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p8dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.40]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27136 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:30:51 -0400 Message-ID: <051701bdc7b1$e9c85100$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:32:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 1:01 PM Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? >In a message dated 98-08-14 11:49:18 EDT, you write: > >< Can this bike double as a learner for my better half?> > >A ninja 250 yes, a ZX6 no, a TL1000? (better start funeral preparations) Why not a ZX-6? Seems just about perfect to me as a starter that someone could grow into and not grow out of. A TL1000 will get you to an early grave if you ride it like an idiot.....as will any bike. >Jack > -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 15:35:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24355; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14205 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02698 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z7OzG-0004ZG-00; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:54:06 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:52:47 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9039B3@BADGE> From: "Harris, Carole" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:52:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I started on a used Honda VTR 250 and it was a great starter bike. I now have a ZX6.. My 250 is for sale for $1,200. > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 1:31 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? > > Honda used VF 500 was my starter bike, I loved it. > > - Jeannette > > > > Can this bike double as a learner for my better half? > > > Are the 250 sports easy to insure? > > > ------ > > > You can ping me private with your answers and I'll summarize, or > you > > > can air it out in public. > > > > > > TIA for the help. > > > Sarge > > > 98 FatBoy > > > > -- > > Thomas De Boeser > > Interactive Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com > > a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com > > Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ > > ~~~~~~~~ > > "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 16:25:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25140; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15183 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (known smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05460 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bfl6kqq (client196-126-40.bellatlantic.net [151.196.126.40]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA17509; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00fb01bdc7bb$4e669780$287ec497@bfl6kqq> From: "Ed Thyberg" To: , Subject: Vintage Japanese MC meet at Jefferson, PA Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:39:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Anyone going to the meet this weekend? _______________________________________________________ Ed Thyberg - Baltimore, Maryland, USA Honda ST1100 - Ducati Paso906 - Laverda 750SF - Vespa Primavera http://members.bellatlantic.net/~ethyberg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 16:33:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25279; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15353 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06254 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-10.dial.nova.org (ra1-10.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.170]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA26185 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:52:36 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:54:04 GMT Message-ID: <35eb9323.613840557@beta.nova.org> References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013EE@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422013EE@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:33:13 -0400, "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" wrote: >but I like your insipration (thanks Kirk for posting that addy to us). It is a good site, ain't it? > Kawasaki >Pre-92 EX500s for up to $2000 in good shape >92-94 EX500s for up to $3500 in good shape=20 The ninja 250 and ex500s all have big (about 5 gal) gas tanks. Sounds good to me (250+ mile range on the 250). > Suzuki >Any Bandit 400 $2500 for a good condition one Did you say light? While not quite in ninja 250 territory these things are only 370 full of gas when stock... You can fit real tires too (3.0" front wheel and 4.5" rear). > Yamaha >FZR400 - (only imported in 88 and 89) - $2500 for most I see You'll find most of these have already been to the race track. This is, unfortunately, about the only serious sporting 400 brought to the states. I would like one... Donations? > Honda >Hawk - these things are a cult fashion, you'll be lucky to find one for >less than $3000 anymore No bike (particularly one with such low production) has a greater on-line presence. It's an active community and yes, even a cult (as the last Hawk rally I set up could attest to). >(Kirk would probably be happy to let you test ride his Hawk so you can=20 >feel it out first) Sure, all cults have their evangelists... >I think the only problem with Honda is that they didn't continue the=20 >Hawk.. it seems to be a perfect bike.... =20 Hey Brian, trying to brown nose your way into the cult? The only thing that is almost universally faulted on the Hawk is the power. The Shadow derived motor doesn't have a lot of gusto (47 hp and 35 ft/lb torque when stock). It's more than enough for street duty but obviously not competitive with most sporting bikes in a straight line. The word flickable applies very well to the Hawk (it's not quite an RS125 in this regard. But, of course, it doesn't look like a moped either. :) Ah, ignorance is bliss). >Were it me, personally, doing what you plan to. I would look for an >EX500. There are lots arround, they're dead reliable, cheap to fix when >they need it and basically very good machines. Oh, cheap to buy too, >which is always something I'm looking for in a motorcycle.. Yep... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 16:34:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25292; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15378 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06298 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-10.dial.nova.org (ra1-10.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.170]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA26215 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:55:16 GMT Message-ID: <35ec95f0.614557396@beta.nova.org> References: <19980814145523.25621.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> <35D462E8.2F6448B0@ifscorp.com> In-Reply-To: <35D462E8.2F6448B0@ifscorp.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:16:41 -0400, Thomas De Boeser wrote: >Buy used. And make it a VFR (honda), you'll probably end up selling the >HD :^) . Hmmm, VFRs are flickable? Maybe to some degree but a ninja 250, Hawk, Bandit 400, etc are far moreso. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 16:39:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25336; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15661 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06379 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-10.dial.nova.org (ra1-10.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.170]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA26301 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:57:53 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:59:21 GMT Message-ID: <35ed9666.614675685@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:38:50 -0400 (EDT), Alex Milenkovic wrote: >A 250 is a good learning bike, but you will quickly outgrow=20 >it I don't understand the whole "outgrow it" thing that motorcyclists seem to have. Show me someone taking a Ninja 250 to the limits on the street (in the corners) and I'll show you someone kicking butt and taking names. Besides, the Ninja 250 goes over 250 miles per tankful! Ooh la la! Kirk (oh, man I've gone 100 miles I'd better start looking for gas) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 17:36:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26211; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17080 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08035 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA05710 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:50:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980814205044.NKQT13385@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:50:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Shameless Advertising..... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980814205044.NKQT13385@[166.41.242.141]> - I have a Nordic Trak Pro Model ski machine for sale (w/heart monitor), $150 to take it away. Good to excellent condition. - MC: 1983 Honda Shadow VT500c. 40,000 miles. Runs to runs well. New tire(s) battery. Black..... $500 !!!! This is an excellent deal. MCN lists for $1,450 and if I had the time to dick with it, I'd want no less than $1,000. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 17:57:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26422; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17430 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09217 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA00911; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:12:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980814211220.IKEA15633@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:12:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980814211220.IKEA15633@[166.41.242.141]> Kirk Roy wrote: >I don't understand the whole "outgrow it" thing that motorcyclists >seem to have. Show me someone taking a Ninja 250 to the limits on the >street (in the corners) and I'll show you someone kicking butt and >taking names. That's because you still adore your Hawk so much you can't think of ever leaving her...it! I rode my Shadow last evening (to keep the bugs out). I can't believe I used to think of it as a power monster! For the type of riding I like to do now, it is slow. My preference for long distance riding is my ST1100. This is an indication that I've outgrown the long punishing miles I used to rack up on the CB750. As you know though, I ride the CB750 when corners and twisties are the menu du jor. That doesn't mean I don't like the ST in the twisty stuff, just that I'd prefer the CB750. If I can find the ride set up for the twisties, it will replace my CB750 and I will thus have outgrown it. What you're talking about is settling. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 18:04:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26533; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17551 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25972 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z7RHE-0002cw-00; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:20:48 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C5BA@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:19:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I was told that it wouldn't be exactly safe to take the Ninja 250 often onto the highway, so I took that advice, for better or worse. I liked my VF 500 & thought that was a good starter bike for me. My friend Carole, who started on the VTR 250, said she outgrew that bike very fast and wanted a bike with some more power. - Jeannette > I don't understand the whole "outgrow it" thing that motorcyclists > seem to have. Show me someone taking a Ninja 250 to the limits on the > street (in the corners) and I'll show you someone kicking butt and > taking names. > > Besides, the Ninja 250 goes over 250 miles per tankful! Ooh la la! > > Kirk (oh, man I've gone 100 miles I'd better start looking for gas) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 19:41:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27058; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18319 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13236 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA22473; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:58:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Anita Lauro cc: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , Anita Lauro , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What about THIS weekend? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Covered bridges, I might be able to handle part of that one on the GS650. On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Friday, August 14, 1998 1:26 PM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Thanks Collin. I remember seeing that ride, and I have been wanting > to > > take either that route or the covered bridges one. > > The covered bridge one is only about 80 miles... maybe we could do both! > :-) > > Anita > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 19:44:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27072; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18339 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13327 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA22986; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:02:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C5BA@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Leon...do you hear that? The Ninja 250 shouldn't be taken on the highway! (Sorry, I couldn't resist the flame bait. I too, had been told that bikes under 500 were marginal on the highway) On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I was told that it wouldn't be exactly safe to take the Ninja 250 often > onto the highway, so I took that advice, for better or worse. I liked > my VF 500 & thought that was a good starter bike for me. My friend > Carole, who started on the VTR 250, said she outgrew that bike very fast > and wanted a bike with some more power. > > - Jeannette > > > > I don't understand the whole "outgrow it" thing that motorcyclists > > seem to have. Show me someone taking a Ninja 250 to the limits on the > > street (in the corners) and I'll show you someone kicking butt and > > taking names. > > > > Besides, the Ninja 250 goes over 250 miles per tankful! Ooh la la! > > > > Kirk (oh, man I've gone 100 miles I'd better start looking for gas) > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 21:14:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27637; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18778 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14708 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-10.dial.nova.org (ra1-10.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.170]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA00095 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:34:55 GMT Message-ID: <35d6d2f8.630183766@beta.nova.org> References: <19980814211220.IKEA15633@[166.41.242.141]> In-Reply-To: <19980814211220.IKEA15633@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:12 -0400 (EDT), Todd Peer wrote: >That's because you still adore your Hawk so much you can't think of >ever leaving her...it! At least not until I wear the thing out... The current light weight trend (R1, ZX9R, etc) may actually produce another bike I'd like to have. A 400 lb sporting twin with 100 hp would do me just fine...=20 >What you're talking about is settling. Well, I don't think I've personally settled. While the power is down as compared to other bikes there's nothing else I have to complain about. None of the other bikes I've ridden have called me away from the Hawk. I'd like to have more motor but I'm not pressed for it. Actually, I'm just going to build another motor and shoot for 70hp. That ought to do it. I think more of what I'm talking about is getting the most out of your bike before moving on. This is all meant to apply to someone looking for a bike to use for cornering work. A slower bike is a good training ground. I agree with the articles related to this at www.activebike.com. Shoot, even the work I plan to do on the motor has more to do with riding in town than it does riding in the twisties (as much as it sucks that's where I ride most of the time)... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 14 22:21:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27970; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19312 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16114 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:40:28 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBHRa03745 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:39:38 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <55b98d5a.35d4e6db@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:39:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Repairing broken plastic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I bought a new (well new to me) left upper for my TL to replace to mangled one. Its perfect except the place where the mirror mount is is broken clean off. Anybody have any suggestions how I should go about reattaching that part? Do remember that this is at the mirror mount which is a high stress point on the fairing so Super Glue wont hold, Im sure. ; ) Thanks in advance Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 00:15:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29004; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20243 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17486 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:31:37 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , Subject: RE: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:31:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdc7fd$2c157920$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <35ed9666.614675685@beta.nova.org> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal When you and pillion weigh 350-375 lbs (combined, BTW;), you will very quickly outgrow the Ninja 250. The addition of the pillion is the only reason I sold the Eliminator to my father as soon as I did. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I don't understand the whole "outgrow it" thing that motorcyclists > seem to have. Show me someone taking a Ninja 250 to the limits on the > street (in the corners) and I'll show you someone kicking butt and > taking names. > > Besides, the Ninja 250 goes over 250 miles per tankful! Ooh la la! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 00:15:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29010; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20248 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17491 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-140.s140.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.140]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28252; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D50194.A048AB10@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:33:40 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Repairing broken plastic References: <55b98d5a.35d4e6db@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack, I'd have to take another look at it to be sure (I'll look at Craig's this weekend if I see him) but the mirror shouldn't really stress the plastic at all. It should transmit through to the fairing stay that comes up and the mirror bolts through...the fairing should jsut have a couple of holes for the mirror to pass through to the stay... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 00:15:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29007; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20241 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17483 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:31:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Alex Milenkovic" , Subject: RE: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:31:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdc7fd$2b3b45c0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal The Ninja 600R, the Suzuki GSXF600 (Katana) are good 600's if you want the size, but not the power of the supersport bikes. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 01:06:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29698; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21213 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newfrontiers.nfis.com (known newfrontiers.nfis.com [206.151.91.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18085 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nfis.com (pub6.hunt2.nfis.com [206.151.91.106]) by newfrontiers.nfis.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01560; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:18:49 -0700 Message-ID: <35D50DB8.ACC04D45@nfis.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:25:28 -0400 From: Louis Tweed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Thyberg CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bachelor Run References: <00fb01bdc7bb$4e669780$287ec497@bfl6kqq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have put together a Bachelor run for the weekend of the 6th, and 7th of September. If anyone is interested checkout this page for the basics. Email me with any questions: http://www.nfis.com/~ltweed/quest.html email: ltweed@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 04:31:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01139; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22126 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20513 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA29574; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:46:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:37:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? To: James Campbell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980814145523.25621.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, James Campbell wrote: > I want to move to the Sport Bike by getting a reliable, flickable, > lightweight, easy to maintain bike to learn on. I was inspired by a Then forget the Buell.You'll be real sorry if you get a bad one. Actually,a type of bike you might be interested in hasn't been mentioned yet;a thumper.A big,air-cooled single will give you torque like what you're used to on a Harley,plus you'll get light weight and easy maintenance.A big DP bike with a set of Avon Gripsters makes for big grins down a twisty road.For even more fun,stiffen up the suspension and relace the rims to take some sporting size/compound tires. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 04:38:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01153; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22220 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20627 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA29594; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:54:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:51:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter - pickin fights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7a1eed92.35d1994c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > To be perfectly honest, Id definitely give you a run for your money in that > 0-6000RPM run. What kind of torque does that Buell have? About 74ft/lbs at around 4k.Pushing a 450lbs bike. And I was talking roll-on,not drag racing.With the SS2R,my bikes pulls from 2k. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 04:48:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01176; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA22456 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA20875 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA29680; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:04:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:02:18 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC91@RBMAIL103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > There are approximately 61.02 cubic inches per liter, and exactly 1000 cc's > per liter, so... > 74 cubic inches / 61.02 cubic inches per liter = 1.212717141921 liter * > 1000cc's per liter = 1213 cc's Actually,1203cc.It's not exactly 74cui.Kinda like my V30 was really 498cc. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 04:51:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01185; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA22470 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA20912 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA29695; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:06:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:04:54 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35D1D66C.8FFB9094@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > According to the table at http://www.execpc.com/~wallin/convert/ > 74 cu. in. is approximately equal to > or 0.000000983 Acre-Feet Hmmm...think my insurance company would reduce my rate if they found out my engine was that small? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 05:02:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA01215; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 05:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA22555 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA20989 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA29731; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:18:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:11:17 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: New 1999 Buells To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35D1D312.619@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Ken wrote: > Motorcycle Online has an article on the new 1999 Buells, including the > new Lightning which is fuel injected. > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/99models.html They also did a full test on the Lightning in the latest _CycleWorld_. Was not impressed.MO had probs with the fuelies in the Arazona heat.They commented the new suspension helped recover from a mid-corner surge in the EFI.Not something I'd like to experience.They also screwed up the torque curve.My bike had a dip from 2 to 3k rpm before I put the pipe on it.The new ones have a dip from 3 to 5k rpm;right smack dab in the mid- range!They've also gained like 20lbs. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 09:23:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02105; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23415 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22662 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA15733; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:37:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv7-24.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.152) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015728; Sat Aug 15 07:36:46 1998 Message-ID: <35D55D9C.30F6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:06:20 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New 1999 Buells References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > They also did a full test on the Lightning in the latest _CycleWorld_. > Was not impressed.MO had probs with the fuelies in the Arazona heat.They > commented the new suspension helped recover from a mid-corner surge in > the EFI.Not something I'd like to experience.They also screwed up the > torque curve.My bike had a dip from 2 to 3k rpm before I put the pipe on > it.The new ones have a dip from 3 to 5k rpm;right smack dab in the mid- > range!They've also gained like 20lbs. Geesh Gil, R you reading the same Cycle World article I am? I was surprised at how complimentary the article was, especially considering that they were testing a pre-production sample. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 12:23:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02896; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23959 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23930 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:39:49 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: Subject: RE: New 1999 Buells Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc862$e31694a0$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <35D55D9C.30F6@ix.netcom.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Of course they were kind. When was the last time you have seen an unfavorable review in an American magazine (MCN excluded) of a bike that is currently for sale, or will be in about two months? It's a total waste of time trying to get information of that sort from a bike mag. Best you can do is look at power curves that they post. Much better off to talk to other people, and get a test ride yourself. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > R you reading the same Cycle World article I am? I was surprised at how > complimentary the article was, especially considering that they were > testing a pre-production sample. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 13:59:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03402; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24391 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25052 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA00882; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:14:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv7-24.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.152) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000846; Sat Aug 15 12:14:12 1998 Message-ID: <35D59E9D.D01@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:43:41 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorccyle Reviews was Re: New 1999 Buells References: <000001bdc862$e31694a0$0100a8c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Of course they were kind. When was the last time you have seen an > unfavorable review in an American magazine (MCN excluded) of a bike that is > currently for sale, or will be in about two months? It's a total waste of > time trying to get information of that sort from a bike mag. Best you can do > is look at power curves that they post. Much better off to talk to other > people, and get a test ride yourself. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX I dont know , I get MCN, have for many years, as well as a host of other rags and enjoy the MC reviews. I dont take them for gospel but I do not believe they are deliberately misleading or misrepresenting the bikes anymore. They did for certain years ago, Heck thats how the old Cycle magazine stayed in business, but today witht the changes in style and competition. As for poor reviews, heck the bike I choose to ride is constantly slammed, and deservedly so, for a variety of problems. Problems with the Suzuki TL bikes, the BMW cruiser, are frequently mentioned. Of course the cover doesnt scream out, 'Cycle World Test of the 10 worst suspension setups', but who would buy it. I agree with taking test rides, and do the Open house/rally demo circuit all the time, but I am not about to automatically discount a bike review just because its in a magazine review. Its just one piece of a puzzle. I sure as hell would not mind the job either..;) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 14:17:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03518; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24474 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25231 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csn [204.194.180.106] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6B25B580156; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:34:42 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980815120229.006d016c@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:02:29 -0400 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Confessions of a squid-baiter Cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980810160817.006a0784@pop.mindspring.com> References: <35CF43A5.37E72DB8@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 03:01 PM 8/10/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >>Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.... :) > >Dale, > You are the master squid-baiter. >Harry Or just "MB", for short. :-) Chris Norloff P.S. Sorry, Dale. Couldn't help myself. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 14:17:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03522; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24478 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25235 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csn [204.194.180.106] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6B55B580156; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:34:45 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980815120808.006d016c@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:08:08 -0400 To: "George Howell" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Say it ain't so! Cc: "DC-Cycles List" In-Reply-To: <000101bdc4bc$97c1d400$0100a8c0@demon> References: <35CF85DD.9C13D2E5@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:11 PM 8/10/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Any good way to check runout on rims? Jack up the front end, hold a piece of chalk or a pencil against the fork tube with the end of the chalk or pencil almost touching the wheel. Spin the wheel and watch the gap between the rim and the chalk/pencil. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 16:05:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04071; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 16:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25001 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26319 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DTNET83-90.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA02231; Sat, 15 Aug 98 15:23:23 EDT From: cervi@XXXXXX (Mark Cervi) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bachelor Run Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:18:56 GMT Organization: NSWCCD Reply-To: cervi@XXXXXX Message-Id: <35d8de82.7696797@oasys.dt.navy.mil> References: <00fb01bdc7bb$4e669780$287ec497@bfl6kqq> <35D50DB8.ACC04D45@nfis.com> In-Reply-To: <35D50DB8.ACC04D45@nfis.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:25:28 -0400, you wrote: >I have put together a Bachelor run for the weekend of the 6th, and 7th >of September. If anyone is interested checkout this page for the >basics. Email me with any questions: >http://www.nfis.com/~ltweed/quest.html >email: ltweed@XXXXXX > > The BMW Finger Lakes rally is the same weekend. Is anyone from the Balt/Wash area planning to go? I'll be leaving Friday morning from Annapolis and wouldn't mind some company. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 19:07:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05112; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25686 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27994 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-87-206.s206.tnt6.brd.erols.com [207.172.87.206]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27468; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808152226.SAA27468@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "George Howell" , , "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: Subject: Re: New 1999 Buells Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:24:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might want to read some of the British magazines. I believe the are honest in their evaluations. My favorites are SuperBike and Ride. Needless to say, they are not very complementary about Buells. I would have to agree. They vibrate, lose parts, have a somewhat preproduction finish, and have foot pegs that look like running boards. Before you say the British are biased, they also rate Triumphs and other British bikes in a honest manner. I plan to stick with Japanese bikes for the forseeable future. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: George Howell > To: shephar1@XXXXXX; Gil M. Nissley > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New 1999 Buells > Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 11:39 AM > > Of course they were kind. When was the last time you have seen an > unfavorable review in an American magazine (MCN excluded) of a bike that is > currently for sale, or will be in about two months? It's a total waste of > time trying to get information of that sort from a bike mag. Best you can do > is look at power curves that they post. Much better off to talk to other > people, and get a test ride yourself. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > > R you reading the same Cycle World article I am? I was surprised at how > > complimentary the article was, especially considering that they were > > testing a pre-production sample. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 20:10:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05640; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25960 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28510 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:29:03 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05494; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808152312.TAA05494@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - the Latest 08/14/98 To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980814135901.ERXI15633@[166.41.242.141]> from "Todd Peer" at Aug 14, 98 09:53:00 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > I'd opt for the $30 contribution, but would go to $50, not $75: > will do $50. > 18 Zbig Tyrlik _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 20:34:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05782; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26023 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28891 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15048; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:52:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Mark Cervi cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bachelor Run In-Reply-To: <35d8de82.7696797@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does the name of the BMW ride imply you need a BMW? n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Sat, 15 Aug 1998, Mark Cervi wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:25:28 -0400, you wrote: > > >I have put together a Bachelor run for the weekend of the 6th, and 7th > >of September. If anyone is interested checkout this page for the > >basics. Email me with any questions: > >http://www.nfis.com/~ltweed/quest.html > >email: ltweed@XXXXXX > > > > > > The BMW Finger Lakes rally is the same weekend. Is anyone from the > Balt/Wash area planning to go? I'll be leaving Friday morning from > Annapolis and wouldn't mind some company. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 15 21:26:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06021; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26236 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29271 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6JCUa27851; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:43:30 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <4be5c16c.35d62b34@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:43:30 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 81 GOLDWING problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 A guy I work with has an 81 goldwing, and the right turn signal doesnt want to blink. Ive been told if the flasher relay doesnt get 12 volts, it wont, so now, how do we correct this. I would love to help him myself, but dont have the time or knowledge to do so. If anyone would like to volunteer to help him, his number is 410-647-6499, Or email him at HJack11547@XXXXXX. His name is Harry. He lives in the Pasadena MD area near baltimore. Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 16 01:18:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07573; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28648 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01464 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA03643; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:34:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:34:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: New 1999 Buells To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35D55D9C.30F6@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Aug 1998, Ken wrote: > R you reading the same Cycle World article I am? I was surprised at how > complimentary the article was, especially considering that they were > testing a pre-production sample. _CW_ has always been complimentary to Harley.Now that Buell's under Harley's wing,I seriously doubt you'll see anything bad about them.Moto Online has also never said anything bad about Buell,which tracks since Buell is one of their sponsors. I'm familiar with Buells.I can't see how upping the bike's weight while screwing with the midrange can be a good thing. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 16 02:40:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08563; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28914 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02016 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id BAA23968; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.51]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980816055904.BCGN618@localHost>; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:59:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cheap, flickable, 250 or 600? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980816055904.BCGN618@localHost> I think more of what I'm talking about is getting the most out of your bike before moving on. I knew that. Just thought I could wring some Hawk frustration out of you. Well put! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 16 02:57:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08597; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28931 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02538 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:14:27 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Roy D. Turner" , , "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: Subject: RE: New 1999 Buells Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:14:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdc8dd$14076b00$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199808152226.SAA27468@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Actually, I've been reading the British mags for about a year now. Usually only when they have an article I'm interested in. Now I'm thinking of subscribing to some, as Crown Books (where I purchase them) has filed for bankruptcy, and there's no way I'm sending any more money to Borders than I have to (Borders being the only other bookstore in Waldorf, unless you count Waldenbooks. But that would require a trip to the mall). Other problem is that even after repeatedly asking them, Borders doesn't carry Ride. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 16 03:01:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08640; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28946 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02550 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:18:03 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: New 1999 Buells Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdc8dd$952e2980$0100a8c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Maybe a side effect of being brought tighter into the Harley fold? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > _CW_ has always been complimentary to Harley.Now that Buell's under > Harley's wing,I seriously doubt you'll see anything bad about them.Moto > Online has also never said anything bad about Buell,which tracks since > Buell is one of their sponsors. > I'm familiar with Buells.I can't see how upping the bike's weight while > screwing with the midrange can be a good thing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 16 11:18:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10434; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02127 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06254 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csn [204.194.180.106] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7E035C0138; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:16:48 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980816110246.006b7a14@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:02:46 -0400 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 81 GOLDWING problems Cc: HJack11547@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4be5c16c.35d62b34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It could be just a burned-out bulb - without the load of two bulbs, the flasher won't heat enough to flash. If the left-side turn signals work, then it isn't the flasher. Chris Norloff ******************************************************************** At 08:43 PM 8/15/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >A guy I work with has an 81 goldwing, and the right turn signal doesnt want to >blink. Ive been told if the flasher relay doesnt get 12 volts, it wont, so >now, how do we correct this. I would love to help him myself, but dont have >the time or knowledge to do so. If anyone would like to volunteer to help him, >his number is 410-647-6499, Or email him at HJack11547@XXXXXX. His name is >Harry. He lives in the Pasadena MD area near baltimore. > >Sean > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 16 11:53:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10543; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02648 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06493 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUWVa22587 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18c18b48.35d70024@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:52:03 EDT Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: New 1999 Buells/Books Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/16/98 3:06:25 AM, ghowell@XXXXXX wrote: <> Try www.amazon.com They seem to have EVERYTHING. All you need is a credit card. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 16 16:54:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12245; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05683 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10767 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:51:47 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: RE: New 1999 Buells/Books Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:51:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc957$a37a9760$3380e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <18c18b48.35d70024@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Tried Amazon about two weeks ago. They don't have Ride. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 16 21:00:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16727; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07203 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19636 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-152-63.s63.as2.abr.erols.com [207.172.152.63]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22576 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009b01bdc97a$61399a40$1498accf@default> Reply-To: "Mr. Bill" From: "Mr. Bill" To: "DC Motorcyclists" Subject: riding suit recommendation Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:50:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Anybody have experience/comments regarding the Motoport Challenger 2-piece riding suit? Anybody have alternate suggestions in the same general $$$ range (~$180 for pants, ~$250 for a jacket)? Something all-season/all-weather is preferred, but I'm open to any input. Cheers, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #224, UB #8, KotFMLO Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 08:16:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21656; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11718 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.arl.mil (known mail.arl.mil [131.218.32.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28972 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lotus Notes by mail.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0005B150; Mon, 17 Aug 98 07:55:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: <0005B150.NE21372@mail.arl.mil> From: jkboyd@XXXXXX (Kevin Boyd) Subject: Re: Vintage Japanese MC meet at Jefferson, PA To: Ed Thyberg Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Reply Went to the show and I think it was the worst show I have been to. Kevin Ed Thyberg on 08/14/98 03:39:51 PM To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Kevin Boyd/arl) Subject: Vintage Japanese MC meet at Jefferson, PA Anyone going to the meet this weekend? _______________________________________________________ Ed Thyberg - Baltimore, Maryland, USA Honda ST1100 - Ducati Paso906 - Laverda 750SF - Vespa Primavera http://members.bellatlantic.net/~ethyberg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 09:23:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22130; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12520 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw2.att.com [192.128.52.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00245 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caig2.att.att.com by cagw2.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Mon Aug 17 09:18 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA21089 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC9C1.AA7FDF60@XXXXXX>; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:30:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Changer Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:30:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. I've finally made up my mind. I am in on the tire changer for whatever price it's at now. I have not sorted through all the messages from the weekend but, I think we should have a "discussion" on how we handle "investors". Example: Someone invests, uses the machine and then moves out of state. What happens to his/her $$$? Is that it? (Obviously if you use the machine 2x, you recoup your $50) Heck, even once I think it's still worth it. IMO, I think any surplus of $$$ should go to maintaining the machine or used for replacement of tools as they wear out etc. Just some thoughts . . . . . . --John 98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 09:37:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22251; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12744 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00614 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z8PTH-0005JH-00; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:37:18 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:35:45 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C5C0@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: More Women Up Front on Motorcycles Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:35:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > More Women Up Front on Motorcycles > > .c The Associated Press > > By JENNIFER BATOG > > MILWAUKEE (AP) - Motorcycle riding is no longer just a man's world. > More women > are moving from the back of the bike to the front, prompting some > motorcycle > manufacturers and dealers to rev up marketing efforts to women. > > Three decades ago, women made up only 1 percent of motorcycle owners > in the > United States. Today, women account for about 9 percent of the 10 > million > Americans who own motorcycles, according to the Motorcycle Industry > Council, a > trade group. > > ``Riding on the back of the bike, you're not really riding. You have > no > control back there,'' said Jill Karlsson, a 46-year-old school > psychologist > from Solon Springs, Wis. who owns a Harley-Davidson Sportster 883. > > Some motorcycle companies are actively trying to get women along for > the ride. > > BMW of North America Inc. has already produced a brochure geared > toward women, > with the slogan ``Motorcycling is far too great a pleasure to be left > to men > alone.'' > > American Suzuki Motor Corp., based in Brea, Calif., has been featuring > women > drivers along with men in its brochures for the past few years. > > Kawasaki Motors Corp. USA plans this year to start an advertising > campaign in > women-oriented publications that will feature women riders, said Bob > Moffit, > vice president of marketing and product management. > > Even without the campaign, sales of some Kawasaki models to women have > surged. > Moffit said sales of the company's 600-cc class to women more than > tripled in > the last few years, accounting for 35 percent of those sales last > year. > > Among major motorcycle manufacturers, only Milwaukee-based > Harley-Davidson has > no plans to pitch a marketing campaign to women. > > ``We've never really targeted a specific demographic,'' said Tom > Watson, > Harley's manager of advertising and promotion. ``We always target the > enthusiast.'' > > Nevertheless, with more women interested in bikes, some dealers are > starting > to gear themselves to female shoppers. Gone are the days of Biker > Babes and > Motorcycle Mamas. > > Sloan's Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki dealership in Murfreesboro, > Tenn., > holds women-only ridership classes, maintenance and safety seminars, > and even > fashion shows, said Kelly Appleton, the dealership's parts and > accessories > manager. > > ``If we start marketing to women, that's going to help the dealers and > the > manufacturers and the industry,'' she said. > > A California apparel company, Intersport Fashions West, has developed > motorcycle clothing exclusively for women. This year, Intersport > introduced a > short leather jacket and riding gloves for women, and the company > makes most > of its leather products in men's and women's sizes. > > Mary Kuhnz, 41, of the Milwaukee suburb of Greenfield said she became > interested in motorcycling through her husband. She bought a > 10-year-old > Suzuki 650 this spring that she often uses to ride to her job as a > credit > union customer service representative. > > Kuhnz said she has noticed more women riding motorcycles but that the > industry > may be a bit slower to catch on. She said she recently went to a > motorcycle > dealership to buy a gift, and a salesman attended to a male customer > while > ignoring her. > > ``I'm just as marketable as him,'' she said. ``I don't think the > dealers are > noticing at this point. I think they will.'' > > AP-NY-08-04-98 1226EDT > > Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. The information contained in > the AP > news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise > distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 09:41:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22273; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12836 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beckmann.eng.umd.edu (known beckmann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00720 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from twiddle.eng.umd.edu (twiddle.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.141]) by beckmann.eng.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08550; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert S. Fourney" Received: (from knee@localhost) by twiddle.eng.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA12583; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808171341.JAA12583@twiddle.eng.umd.edu> To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 81 GOLDWING problems My guess would be to clean out the blinker switch. There's a whole bunch of little contacts in there, and they get spooged up. Before he tears into it, see if he can make it blink by holding the switch a certain way (vs. letting it sit where it ends up in "on" position). Beware, when you take this apart there's a little bee-bee that is spring loaded and sits in a detent (sp? -- "little depression"). It's hard to get this guy back just right (so make sure you clean the contacts really well the first time and don't have to do it again). Also, it's hard to find this guy if he flies out in the grass or the street! `luck Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 09:47:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22487; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12887 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00912 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id GAA26523 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:47:00 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:47:00 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Sloooow riding Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:48:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Short report from Sunday's activities for Mr. Van Slyke and me. We met in Adamstown, MD on Sunday A.M. for the bicycle race. Robert and I were assigned to the same team and were the front motors for one race in the morning and one in the afternoon. A total of nine motorcycles were in use at any one time - three groups on the course with three M/Cs per group. The course was a 16 mile loop with Adamstown at about the 9 O'Clock position on the loop. While most of the day was spent riding slowly (the uphill sections especially), there was one downhill section that I was showing an indicated 52 MPH maintaining my distance from the bicycles. About half way through the afternoon's race, Collin made a cameo appearance talking to the senior official by the side of the road (just off MD 28 by the Monocacy bridge). All I had time for was a shout of "Collin!" and I was past, hotly pursued by a group of women. Alas, I wasn't the object of the pursuit... Michael Jordan Facilities Engineer Visa International (703) 287-8427 mike@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 09:47:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22495; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12895 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00922 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXGWa26053 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ffe439.35d8343a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:46:33 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: More Women Up Front on Motorcycles Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-17 09:41:02 EDT, you write: << > Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. The information contained in > the AP > news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise > distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. >> Jeanette is going to jail!! Jeanette is going to jail! LALALALALALA.... j/k....couldnt resist. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 09:51:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22519; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13048 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00996 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:51:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLYJa02269 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:50:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: riding suit recommendation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/16/98 9:04:09 PM, you wrote: <<2-piece riding suit?>> I'm not clear on something about these riding suits which are not leather......how do they protect you if you fall? I understand they're great for rain, but what about pavement? Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 09:58:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22571; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13139 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01135 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA27291 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: riding suit recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/16/98 9:04:09 PM, you wrote: > > <<2-piece riding suit?>> > > I'm not clear on something about these riding suits which are not > leather......how do they protect you if you fall? I understand they're great > for rain, but what about pavement? Cordura suits do a great job of protecting you while you slide down the road. A good cordura suit (e.g., aerostich) comes up short against a good COMPETITION WEIGHT leather suit but is plenty for street usage. The added versatility more than makes up for the difference in protection. Besides, I see more folks out with decent cordura suits than with full competition weight leather suits. One big endorsement for the Aerostich is that all of the racing schools that I've checked with allow them (CSS, CLASS, Penguin, Bargy, etc). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:00:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22601; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13180 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01188 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z8PpE-0000B3-00; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:59:58 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:58:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D93C5C9@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: More Women Up Front on Motorcycles Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:57:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Oops, didn't realize. Oh well, stupidity is the excuse! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:09:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22731; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13322 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.clark.net (known postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01495 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03436 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08164 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:10:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17742 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808171409.KAA17742@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: riding suit recommendation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/16/98 9:04:09 PM, you wrote: > > > > <<2-piece riding suit?>> > > > > I'm not clear on something about these riding suits which are not > > leather......how do they protect you if you fall? I understand they're > > great for rain, but what about pavement? > > Cordura suits do a great job of protecting you while you slide down the > road. A good cordura suit (e.g., aerostich) comes up short against a good > COMPETITION WEIGHT leather suit but is plenty for street usage. Plus suits like the aerostich have crash padding in strategic locations which help to take the bunt of the fall/crash. Maybe not equal to some leather outfits, but better than jeans. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:12:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22737; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13347 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01584 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:26 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: riding suit recommendation Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc9e8$97402140$2a80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The heavier duty suits made of the stronger nylons offer abrasion resistance only slightly less than good leather. It is actually better than 'dress' leather, but nowhere near as good as race leather. Think MCN did a report on it a few years back. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 9:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: riding suit recommendation > > > In a message dated 8/16/98 9:04:09 PM, you wrote: > > <<2-piece riding suit?>> > > I'm not clear on something about these riding suits which are not > leather......how do they protect you if you fall? I understand > they're great > for rain, but what about pavement? > > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:15:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22751; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13426 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01673 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA13748; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:14:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-23.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.55) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013719; Mon Aug 17 09:14:07 1998 Message-ID: <35D81758.2FB1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:43:20 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX Subject: Guggenheim museum Motorcycle catalog Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received my copy of 'The Art of the Motorcycle' by the Guggenheim museum. It truly is a beautiful book. The hardback from www.amazon.com was only $40.00, as opposed to the $65.00 they want for it at the museum. I ordered it only two weeks ago, at which time they advised it would not be shipped until October, but lo and behold, it arrived friday. Fantasic photos, info. I wish some of the photos were available as poster size prints... Anyway, I wasnt sure if the hardback would be worth $65.00, but it was definitely worth the $40.00..... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:17:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22767; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13501 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01793 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:17:25 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247902@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: riding suit recommendation Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:15:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My AeroStich is touted as being more abraison resistant than leather. Sure, it may get a little hotter and melt some, but I'm not going to be crashing it multiple times without repair (as you might be able to do with leathers). -----Original Message----- In a message dated 8/16/98 9:04:09 PM, you wrote: <<2-piece riding suit?>> I'm not clear on something about these riding suits which are not leather......how do they protect you if you fall? I understand they're great for rain, but what about pavement? Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:17:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22782; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13575 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01872 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA13917; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:16:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-23.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.55) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013868; Mon Aug 17 09:16:14 1998 Message-ID: <35D817D8.5FD6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:45:28 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: xl-list@XXXXXX Subject: 80-Year-Old Philadelphia Man - Lottery Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DAMM!! doesn't this just figure!!! 80-Year-Old Philadelphia Man - Lottery Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle Thanks to the Pennsylvania Lottery, an 80-year-old Philadelphia man can ride into the sunset on his new Harley-Davidson Sportster 1200 Custom motorcycle. [PR Newswire, 693 words] Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:19:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22812; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13615 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25673 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA06217; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Robert S. Fourney" cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 81 GOLDWING problems In-Reply-To: <199808171341.JAA12583@twiddle.eng.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree..... There are three wires connection the light to the bike... one is ground, the other is power... the third allows it to blink. If the third comes loose the light will turn on, but will not blink. Just a heads up... but you probably already know that. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Robert S. Fourney wrote: > My guess would be to clean out the blinker switch. There's a whole > bunch of little contacts in there, and they get spooged up. Before he > tears into it, see if he can make it blink by holding the switch a certain > way (vs. letting it sit where it ends up in "on" position). Beware, when > you take this apart there's a little bee-bee that is spring loaded and sits > in a detent (sp? -- "little depression"). It's hard to get this guy back > just right (so make sure you clean the contacts really well the first time > and don't have to do it again). Also, it's hard to find this guy if he > flies out in the grass or the street! > > > `luck > > Bob > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:23:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22859; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13877 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26513 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA27830 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: riding suit recommendation In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247902@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.a rmy.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > My AeroStich is touted as being more abraison resistant than leather. Not by Aerostich though. Look at the stuff inside the right hand side of the suit. There's a tag that specifically mentions that the Aerostich is not a replacement for competition grade leather. However, price a good competition grade leather suit and you can see that the Aerostich, besides being versatile, is actually a bargain. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:42:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23166; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14669 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03018 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA17222 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980817144123.DFMA618@localHost> for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Canadian Bike TV X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980817144123.DFMA618@localHost> An interesting tv show. I think it comes on around 3pm on Sundays, SpeedVision. This week featured the Harley Davidsons 'newly designed' all new motorcycle. I'm not a HD fan, so sorry if I don't recall the name of the bike. It looked like your typical cruiser, with lots of chrome. CB interviewed a mouthpiece for HD who couldn't stop ringing his hands with excitement for the new bike. Get this. This HD now has chain driven cams (one for each cyclinder), the oil pump/sump is now 'internal!', and the transmission is bolted directly to the motor. What will they think of next, drive-shafts? After reviewing the 'new' features up close, the camera pulled back for a full bike view. Damn that thing looks a lot like a Honda Shadow. ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:50:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23331; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14861 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03222 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256663.00516B90 ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:49:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256663.005148A5.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:49:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Canadian Bike TV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Get this. This HD now has chain driven cams (one for each cyclinder), the oil pump/sump is now 'internal!', and the transmission is bolted directly to the motor. What will they think of next, drive-shafts? I figure they must be gearing up to join the 20th century now that the 21st century is upon us. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 10:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23393; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15000 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03505 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808171458.KAA03505@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4C1C600122; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:57:05 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:00:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: riding suit recommendation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:50 AM 8/17/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 8/16/98 9:04:09 PM, you wrote: ><<2-piece riding suit?>> > >I'm not clear on something about these riding suits which are not >leather......how do they protect you if you fall? I understand they're great >for rain, but what about pavement? >Marcy For just plain sliding along on pavement, nothing beats good thick motorcycle leather. When you start to factor in other things such as rain, humidity, temperature, armor, and ease of donning & doffing, then the fabric suits are better for many people. If I was racing, I wouldn't wear my Aerostich. When I commute, I don't wear leather. Chris Norloff Here's more info. Note that leather is best, but lightweight leather is no better than thin cloth. Fabric riding suits can do pretty well, 'bowling jackets' are not worth much, and t-shirts/jeans are laughable. **************************************************************************** *************************** Abrasion Resistance of Different Types of Motorcyclist's Clothing. "Torn in the USA", from _Cycle_ magazine, September 1988. Cycle performed two tests- a drag test on a road, and a laboratory abrasion test. The drag test consisted of sewing the sample material to a chalk bag weighted with a 75-pound sandbag and dragged at 50mph. When the chalk showed up on the road surface, the material was concluded to be worn through. The laboratory test was a "Taber Test" - a 4-inch turntable with the specimen, abraded by two rubber-emery grinding wheels. A vacuum cleans debris, and the machine counts turntable revolutions until specimen rupture. Reaching conclusions from these data should include the various types of protection motorcyclists would likely need in the environment in which they operate. For example, a racer would probably be more likely to need protection at higher speeds, and a street rider would probably need more protection against impacting fixed objects (curbs, cars, etc.). In addition, most street accident scenarios would probably include tumbling as well as sliding (since there are more things to snag on and prevent the smooth slide that is possible on a well-designed motorcycle racetrack). The Hurt report concluded that "The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph." The results (in order of abrasion resistance): DRAG TEST (on a road) ---------------------- Leather, competition weight (3 oz./sq-ft) 86 ft. Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 22 ft. 1 in. Cordura Nylon, Type 440 18 ft. 3 in. 2-year-old 100% Cotton Jeans 4 ft. 5 in. Leather, fashion weight (1.75 oz./sq-ft) 4 ft. 4in. Leather, lightweight, nude finish (2.25 oz./sq-ft) 4 ft. 3in. (suede-type finish) Senior Ballistic Nylon (1050 denier) 3 ft. 10 in. New 100% Cottom Denim Jeans 3 ft. 10 in. Taber test (in a laboratory) ---------------------------- Leather, competition weight (3 oz./sq-ft) 2600 revolutions Senior Ballistic Nylon (1050 denier) 817 rev. Leather, fashion weight (1.75 oz./sq-ft) 750 rev. Leather, lightweight, nude finish (2.25 oz./sq-ft) 564 rev. (suede-type finish) Cordura Nylon, Type 440 559 rev. Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 506 rev. New 100% Cottom Denim Jeans 225 rev. 2-year-old 100% Cotton Jeans 168 rev. ********************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 11:41:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23983; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16549 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (known smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05031 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bfl6kqq (client-151-196-125-160.bellatlantic.net [151.196.125.160]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA19965; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01bdc9f4$f4140d80$a07dc497@bfl6kqq> From: "Ed Thyberg" To: , Subject: Re: Vintage Japanese MC meet at Jefferson, PA Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:37:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I attended the VJMC (10th annual) this past weekend. I ride up to Jefferson, PA for two reasons. 1) It's a nice ride. 2) It's a nice trip (down memory lane) For those who never owned/rode 60s and 70s Japanese bikes, I can see how this event would seem boring. For me, the sight of old Suzukis, Hondas and Yamahas bring back memories of reckless youth. I'm still waiting to find a Tohatsu Runpet 60, my very first bike. No luck this year, as has been the case the other times I went to the VJMC meet. When I do find one, the temptation to bring it home for my daughters to ride will probably be overwhelming. Of course that assumes they are still teenagers living at home. If not, I'm sure I'll come up with another excuse to justify my irrational behavior. ;-) In the meantime shopping is half the fun. Ed -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Boyd To: Ed Thyberg Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 8:17 AM Subject: Re: Vintage Japanese MC meet at Jefferson, PA >Went to the show and I think it was the worst show I have been to. >Kevin > > > > > >Ed Thyberg on 08/14/98 03:39:51 PM >To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Kevin Boyd/arl) >Subject: Vintage Japanese MC meet at Jefferson, PA > > > >Anyone going to the meet this weekend? >_______________________________________________________ >Ed Thyberg - Baltimore, Maryland, USA >Honda ST1100 - Ducati Paso906 - Laverda 750SF - Vespa Primavera >http://members.bellatlantic.net/~ethyberg > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 12:00:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24187; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16780 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05689 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 161; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: <35D84745.C301BA24@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:07:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Guns Are Friends References: <19980814132209.JQIB13385@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > << > A theft was deterred late Thursday evening when an employee of Cycle > Sport Springfield heard a loud crash in front of the store. The employee > moved to the front of the store and witnessed a man attempting to remove > a trail bike through the frame of where the window once was. Shots > were fired and the would-be thief fled (w/o a scratch unfortunately). > Police later verified the Honda Accura used to crash the window > was stolen. > >> > > Todd Of course, they'll probably cite the employee with 'unlawful discharge of a weapon' or some such nonsense. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 12:00:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24194; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16794 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05693 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00550 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 284; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:01:40 -0400 Message-ID: <35D845F3.ABB8AD96@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:02:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jon S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Craig needs company up front.. un-huh References: <00e801bdc738$b22e0ba0$f34a37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon S. wrote: > > Maybe he should be leading some group rides........ 8^) > Jon, Actually, I'm working on a nice local route for a group ride. Don't know when it's all gonna come together, though. I'll keep everyone posted... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 12:55:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25088; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17507 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07758 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA24448 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:55:04 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:55:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 80-Year-Old Philadelphia Man - Lottery Has First Winner of Ha rley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:54:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >DAMM!! doesn't this just figure!!! > >80-Year-Old Philadelphia Man - Lottery Has First Winner of >Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle You would have preferred that he won a Ducati 916, maybe? A Sportster makes a nice first bike. There may be a small problem with vibbratttionnns, though... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 13:12:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25302; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17799 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08169 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA04745; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-23.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.55) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004719; Mon Aug 17 12:11:08 1998 Message-ID: <35D840D3.402D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:40:19 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Jordan, Michael" Subject: Re: 80-Year-Old Philadelphia Man - Lottery Has First Winner of Ha rley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > You would have preferred that he won a Ducati 916, maybe? > Michael J. He would be about as likely to ride that as he would the Sportster;) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 13:23:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25378; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17969 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08498 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 17:23:30 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14892 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:23:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 80-Year-Old Philadelphia Man - Lottery Has First Winner of Ha rley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Jordan, Michael wrote: > >DAMM!! doesn't this just figure!!! > > > >80-Year-Old Philadelphia Man - Lottery Has First Winner of > >Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle > > You would have preferred that he won a Ducati 916, maybe? > > A Sportster makes a nice first bike. There may be a small problem with > vibbratttionnns, though... > > Michael J. > It should be amusing when the old guy is tooling down the road, enjoying the breeze, (no helmet of course) and his arm snaps off because his bones are like pretzels! I'm just waiting for the lawsuit now.. "Your honor, that damn V-twin tore my arm off!" Altho that stands to reason, really. Most people that buy harleys do it as a result of being unable to get it up. He most certainly fits in that category! *grin* Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 14:07:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26087; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18985 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09969 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from achatt.erols.com (207-172-239-83.s20.as2.rkv.erols.com [207.172.239.83]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28937 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001d01bdca09$d9c93300$53efaccf@achatt.erols.com> From: "Amit Chatterjie" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Trailer Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:07:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BDC9E8.51AC8BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BDC9E8.51AC8BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I'm looking for a trailer for a 600lb CBR 1000 to loan for about 10 = days. 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Amit
CBR1000
 
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BDC9E8.51AC8BA0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 14:12:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26213; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19068 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10075 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:12:03 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IYBIa13456; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <23a4bc02.35d87244@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:11:14 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sloooow riding Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 You mean there were women back there? Dang!! That's why I got stuck on point! LOL Anyway, besides that woman trying to back out of the Convenience store and over me, the day was pleasantly calm. When's the next race? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 14:20:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26380; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19186 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10441 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p1dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.33]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13777; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:20:26 -0400 Message-ID: <067401bdca0b$ed1884e0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Amit Chatterjie" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Trailer Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:21:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0671_01BDC9EA.63B3CD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0671_01BDC9EA.63B3CD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When is your trip? I have a solid, single rail trailer, but I would = need to go to MVA to have it registered first. I've used it to trailer a 500lb bike to Florida and back a few times = with no trouble whatsoever. No rental fee would be needed, just try to bring it back in one piece. -----Original Message----- From: Amit Chatterjie To: Dc-Cycles Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 2:12 PM Subject: Trailer =20 =20 Hi everyone, =20 I'm looking for a trailer for a 600lb CBR 1000 to loan for about 10 = days. I'm willing to pay a reasonable rental fee. I'm going to Florida = so it would have to be something robust. I checked U-Haul but they don't = supply ramps. That makes things a little difficult. I already got one = generous offer from someone on the list, but the weight of the bike has = me a little concerned. =20 Any offers? =20 Thanks, =20 Amit CBR1000 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0671_01BDC9EA.63B3CD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When is your trip?  I have a = solid, single=20 rail trailer, but I would need to go to MVA to have it registered=20 first.
 
I've used it to trailer a 500lb bike to Florida and = back a few=20 times with no trouble whatsoever.
 
No rental fee would be needed, just = try to bring=20 it back in one piece.
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Amit Chatterjie <achatt@XXXXXX>
To:=20 Dc-Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
D= ate:=20 Monday, August 17, 1998 2:12 PM
Subject: = Trailer

Hi everyone,
 
I'm looking for a trailer for a = 600lb CBR 1000=20 to loan for about 10 days. I'm willing to pay a reasonable rental fee. = I'm=20 going to Florida so it would have to be something robust. I checked = U-Haul but=20 they don't supply ramps. That makes things a little difficult. I = already got=20 one generous offer from someone on the list, but the weight of the = bike has me=20 a little concerned.
 
Any offers?
 
Thanks,
 
Amit
CBR1000
 
------=_NextPart_000_0671_01BDC9EA.63B3CD20-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 14:53:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26910; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19565 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11606 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA23710; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:51:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:51:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Amit Chatterjie cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Trailer In-Reply-To: <001d01bdca09$d9c93300$53efaccf@achatt.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You could use a UHaul garden-tractor trailer. On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Amit Chatterjie wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for a trailer for a 600lb CBR 1000 to loan for about 10 = > days. I'm willing to pay a reasonable rental fee. I'm going to Florida = > so it would have to be something robust. I checked U-Haul but they don't = > supply ramps. That makes things a little difficult. I already got one = > generous offer from someone on the list, but the weight of the bike has = > me a little concerned. > > Any offers? > > Thanks, > > Amit > CBR1000 > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 15:08:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27191; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19815 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12168 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09227 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Amit Chatterjie'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Trailer Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:07:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I can let you use mine but its not as heavy duty as a U-haul job. It is however rated at carrying over 1000 lbs. I have had plenty of heavy bikes on there too. The largest was an early 80's model 1000 or 1100 cc Yamaha. The only thing I ask is for it to return in the condition it was in when I loaned it to you. Of course during those 10 days I will be unable to assist others on the list that might need a lift should the need arise. Glenn > > I'm looking for a trailer for a 600lb CBR 1000 to loan for about 10 days. > I'm willing to pay a reasonable rental fee. I'm going to Florida so it > would have to be something robust. I checked U-Haul but they don't supply > ramps. That makes things a little difficult. I already got one generous > offer from someone on the list, but the weight of the bike has me a little > concerned. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 15:15:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27318; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19956 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12395 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09394 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:15:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Morris Berman'" , Amit Chatterjie Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Trailer Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:15:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Other options including buying a 2 x12 and use that as a ramp or I can let you use my just my ramp. Glenn > > > > I'm looking for a trailer for a 600lb CBR 1000 to loan for about 10 = > > days. I'm willing to pay a reasonable rental fee. I'm going to Florida = > > so it would have to be something robust. I checked U-Haul but they don't > = > > supply ramps. That makes things a little difficult. I already got one = > > generous offer from someone on the list, but the weight of the bike has > = > > me a little concerned. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 16:14:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28195; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20623 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09257 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24898; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:53:02 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666D0@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , Amit Chatterjie , Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Trailer Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:53:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Same here...I have a 5x10 with lights. I just hauled two full size bikes back from Oklahoma on it... OK doesn't require registration, so I never did, but now that I'm an Oregonian.....I snuck the trailer back here hoping not to get stopped :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 2:29 PM > To: Amit Chatterjie; Dc-Cycles > Subject: Re: Trailer > > When is your trip? I have a solid, single rail trailer, but I would need > to go to MVA to have it registered first. > > I've used it to trailer a 500lb bike to Florida and back a few times with > no trouble whatsoever. > > No rental fee would be needed, just try to bring it back in one piece. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amit Chatterjie > To: Dc-Cycles > Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 2:12 PM > Subject: Trailer > > > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for a trailer for a 600lb CBR 1000 to loan for about 10 > days. I'm willing to pay a reasonable rental fee. I'm going to Florida so > it would have to be something robust. I checked U-Haul but they don't > supply ramps. That makes things a little difficult. I already got one > generous offer from someone on the list, but the weight of the bike has me > a little concerned. > > Any offers? > > Thanks, > > Amit > CBR1000 > << File: ATT00002.html >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 16:54:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00469; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21364 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17488 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA18164 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:54:21 -0400 Message-ID: <35D89854.75787A05@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:53:40 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Trailer References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666D0@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this mean you have a street bike again? What are the particulars? Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > Same here...I have a 5x10 with lights. I just hauled two full size bikes > back from Oklahoma on it... -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 17:40:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01034; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21691 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18576 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-224.s224.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.224]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20615; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D8A32F.82E9CA17@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:39:59 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Trailer References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666D0@MSCEX> <35D89854.75787A05@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, one bike was the race bike and the other was a crashed up EX500 that a friend of mine wrecked about 7 years ago. I picked up an older model wiring diagram last night, so with the newer one I already had, I hope to do the wiring harness black box splicing tonight or tomorrow!! Then all it'll need is a headlight and some form of mirror...I've got the stock ones, but without an upper I can't mount them. I'm thinking of using bar end mirrors and going without the upper...looks kinda good like that. Leon Begeman wrote: > > Does this mean you have a street bike again? What are the particulars? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 18:16:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01382; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22504 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19427 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:12:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Canadian Bike TV Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:12:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdca2c$151aeda0$2980e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <19980817144123.DFMA618@localHost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal AFAIK, there's no new bike in Harley's lineup, but there is a new engine next. BFD. It's still non-unit design... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 18:30:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01518; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22594 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19529 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01722 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:20:21 -0400 Message-ID: <01c001bdca2d$1ef8c1c0$3c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Say Cheese -- Stoplight Cameras in Arlington Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:19:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >From the Post a day or two ago -- Arlington plans to use a camera to catch red-light runners at four busy intersections beginning August 25 . . .. [similar to Alex and Ffx efforts] . . . Arlington's camera will be rotated among the intersections of Columbia Pike and Greenbrier Street, Columbia Pike and Glebe Road, Route 50 and Fillmore Street and Wilson Boulevard and Lynn Street . . .. For the photo audience, no-hands on occasion? Bill Swanson / DC 99 VN750 Housebroken Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 21:19:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03149; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24749 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22838 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Received: from AntietamMC@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BMYHa11469; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:13:34 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <24097658.35d8d53f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:13:34 EDT To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Road Riding Invitation - Sunday 8/30/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 For any motorcyclist interested in an afternoon ride through the country, I invite you to join us August 30th for the 1998 Arch Run. We've even created a special "Internet Driver" class for anyone on these mailing lists. For more information, please click here.... The 1998 Arch Run - The Antietam Motorcycle Club From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 17 23:05:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03896; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25494 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24522 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA14388; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:02:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:56:01 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Say Cheese -- Stoplight Cameras in Arlington To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01c001bdca2d$1ef8c1c0$3c10b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, mobacc wrote: > Arlington plans to use a camera to catch red-light runners at four busy > intersections beginning August 25 . . .. [similar to Alex and Ffx efforts] They've had 'em on Rt50 for awhile now. > Arlington's camera will be rotated among the intersections of Columbia Pike > and Greenbrier Street, Columbia Pike and Glebe Road, Route 50 and Fillmore > Street and Wilson Boulevard and Lynn Street . . .. They need to put 'em around the Columbia Pike/Wash Blvd mess. FYI,they have a panning traffic camera in Rosslyn.If you've got Arlington Cable you can watch it sometimes on channel 31. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 00:04:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04530; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27003 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25380 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14825; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:00:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:45:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: riding suit recommendation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001bdc9e8$97402140$2a80e2cf@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > The heavier duty suits made of the stronger nylons offer abrasion resistance > only slightly less than good leather. It is actually better than 'dress' > leather, but nowhere near as good as race leather. Think MCN did a report on > it a few years back. They must've upgraded the strength of the nylons then._Cycle_ magazine did a test back around '90 of various materials including different weights of leather,ballistic nylon,kevlar,and denim.Nothing came anywhere near the comp weight leather.In the test,they took pieces of the materials and sewed them to the bottom of 50lbs bags of chalk.Then they went out in a pickup and had a guy in the bed lower the bags to the asphalt with a mechanical arm and they would measure how many feet it took for the road to wear through and spill the chalk.The comp weight leather lasted something redicules like 1000'.I think the best synth lasted like 300'.They also did a second test where they put a piece of the materials on a grinding device that looked like a mini record player.The comp weight leather blew everything else away again. I'm sure the synths are all more then adequate for street riding,but they just don't compare to cow skin.BTW,an interesting fact they found out during the tests was that for some reason,1 year old denim lasted longer than brand new denim. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 00:15:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04928; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27577 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25533 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:12:35 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: riding suit recommendation Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: <002601bdca5e$6220df60$3680e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Nope, same test. Just different terms. When I said 'good' leather, I meant standard motorcycle grade leather. What I called 'race' leather, you and Cycle called 'competition'. And I think we all know what fashion grade is. Just semantics, I think. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > > The heavier duty suits made of the stronger nylons offer > abrasion resistance > > only slightly less than good leather. It is actually better than 'dress' > > leather, but nowhere near as good as race leather. Think MCN > did a report on > > it a few years back. > > They must've upgraded the strength of the nylons then._Cycle_ magazine > did a test back around '90 of various materials including different > weights of leather,ballistic nylon,kevlar,and denim.Nothing came anywhere > near the comp weight leather.In the test From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 00:33:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05173; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27859 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25763 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14944; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:18:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:16:31 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Canadian Bike TV To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <19980817144123.DFMA618@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > This week featured the Harley Davidsons 'newly designed' all new motorcycle. > I'm not a HD fan, so sorry if I don't recall the name of the bike. > It looked like your typical cruiser, with lots of chrome. Todd!You pinko-commie-heathen!How dare you not know the latest details of The U-S-of-A's greatest motorcycle!It's not a whole new bike,it's the new 'Twin Cam' motor. > Get this. This HD now has chain driven cams (one > for each cyclinder), But they're still in the bottom end work pushrods. > the oil pump/sump is now 'internal!', Oil is still carried in an external tank. > and the > transmission is bolted directly to the motor. Makes up for the weakness in the Dyna chassis design. > What will they think > of next, drive-shafts? Indian tried shafts.They got rid of them when they found out they kept the bike from counter-steering.And you forgot to mention the other upgrades like the o-rings replacing the head/cylinder gaskets,or the strengthened bottom end. > After reviewing the 'new' features up close, the camera pulled back > for a full bike view. Damn that thing looks a lot like a Honda Shadow. WWWWWWHHHHHHAAAAATTTTTT!!!!! How dare you!If anything,the rice bike tries to look like the Harley. -100 cool points for you Todd.As penitence,you must sell your J-brand bikes and put the money toward a 95th Aniv FLSTS and get a bar-and-shield tattoo. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 00:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05180; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27872 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25783 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14993; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:31:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:18:35 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35D817D8.5FD6@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On the subject of winning Harleys(TM),I finally got a call from Visa about my Fatboy.The tenative date is 15 Sep and I should be getting it at Wash HD/Clinton Cycles @1 in the afternoon.Since they're talking about having media coverage,I think it would be cool if we could have the WSDYMFG show up and give a demonstration on proper wheelie and burnout techniques.I'm sure the Harley riders would appreciate the pointers.Then we could put my Buell out in the middle of the street and watch it get run over by tractor-trailers. As an aside note,I previously inquired to this dealer about the possibility of trading in the Softtail for a Dyna-Conv.They said they wouldn't sell me a bike because I was outside of their selling area. But they can present me with the bike I won,get free advertising,and get a $1000 bonus from HD for doing it.Think I'm going to have another talk with them. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 01:05:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05365; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28149 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26101 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:02:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:02:32 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01bdca65$683d5700$3680e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Do you have to accept the bike there? Sounds absurd that they can pocket the money, but not be your dealer. Sounds like a quick call to HD reminding them of the media presence should produce a better attitude. BTW, have I mentioned before that I can't tolerate the shmucks at Battley's? :) As for showing up, I think that'd be a hoot. But since we all know that in addition to not counter-steering, shafties can't wheelie either, I might not be able to help on that one;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 02:50:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA06185; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28526 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27399 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA16320; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:46:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:41:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002a01bdca65$683d5700$3680e2cf@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > Do you have to accept the bike there? Sounds absurd that they can pocket the > money, but not be your dealer. Sounds like a quick call to HD reminding them > of the media presence should produce a better attitude. BTW, have I > mentioned before that I can't tolerate the shmucks at Battley's? I'm not real big on Battley's after the hose-job they gave me either. The only other dealer left is Lanham. They've already said they don't want me to mention the fact that I'm going to sell the bike after I get it and to be all smiles.That's why I'm going to have a talk with Wash HD.I figure I oughta be able to at least get an extended warranty or a nice new jacket out of them.I'm also gonna give old Court Canfield a call and ask him how he'd like to have someone get up and trash Buells on TV. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 06:40:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA07448; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00639 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00066 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19855 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:38:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Say Cheese -- Stoplight Cameras in Arlington Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:38:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Wow, didn't we just talk about this a few months ago? Anyhow, Arlington has two that I know of. The first one is already at Filmore and 50 (its been there for several years). The second one is at Columbia Pike and ???, maybe its Greenbrier St? This ones right across the street from Bad Habits Grill. Its been there for about two years. In Fairfax county I know of three of them. One on 50 at Fairfax Circle, one on Main Street in Old Town Fairfax in front of the Subway (restaurant), the other on Duke Street in front on Landmark mall. I don't like red light runners but I also don't like these damn cameras. Did you know they have up to three, count em three years to mail you the ticket? It would really suck if you were not the one operating the vehicle that day. Of course you could fight it in court but that's a pain. Glenn > From the Post a day or two ago -- > > Arlington plans to use a camera to catch red-light runners at four busy > intersections beginning August 25 . . .. [similar to Alex and Ffx efforts] > > . . . > > Arlington's camera will be rotated among the intersections of Columbia > Pike > and Greenbrier Street, Columbia Pike and Glebe Road, Route 50 and Fillmore > Street and Wilson Boulevard and Lynn Street . . .. > > For the photo audience, no-hands on occasion? > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 07:01:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07573; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01585 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00257 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:01:29 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7FVBa20769; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ef41887.35d95ec7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:00:22 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 It takes a different technique, but I can wheelie on my Shaft-drive Shadow. Gotta get her rolling, pull in the clutch, rev up and dump the clutch but it's not too difficult. The front comes right on up. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "[Lone] Black Wolf" :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 07:25:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07681; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02291 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00516 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256664.003EABCE ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:24:32 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256664.003E66DE.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:24:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Princeton Pt. 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Rain date for sure....if the motel won't do a rain date , then how about booking 2 motels with different times, if no $$ for deposits is required Most hotels will let you secure a room with a credit card and will let you cancel as long as you call them in time. Usually one day before the reservation. Some even let you cancel just a few hours before the reservation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 07:47:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07871; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02973 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00763 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p14dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.46]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07914; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bdca9e$1b408a60$2ef31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:48:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I'll try to make it there on the 15th, but will probably be later than 1 o'clock. What time do you think the Buell will be destroyed? I would definitely like to be there for that. ;-D -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley To: Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 12:38 AM Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle >On the subject of winning Harleys(TM),I finally got a call from Visa >about my Fatboy.The tenative date is 15 Sep and I should be getting it >at Wash HD/Clinton Cycles @1 in the afternoon.Since they're talking >about having media coverage,I think it would be cool if we could have >the WSDYMFG show up and give a demonstration on proper wheelie and >burnout techniques.I'm sure the Harley riders would appreciate the >pointers. Then we could put my Buell out in the middle of the street and >watch it get run over by tractor-trailers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 08:26:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08129; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03504 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01280 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08415; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666D1@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Sloooow riding Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:27:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep...I stopped and said "howdy" to Jim Patton (not realizing that he was the one that posted here a few times before..until I had left), waved at Robert, then heard you holler at me :) I fell in behind the slow moving procession, and for the next half hour sat there zinging the engine on the Aprillia in hopes that the plugs wouldn't foul out on the two smoke. I was going to follow you to the stopping point, but I was in desperate need of gass and bailed into Buckeystown... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 9:53 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Sloooow riding > > > About half way through the afternoon's race, Collin made a cameo > appearance talking to the senior official by the side of the road (just > off MD 28 by the Monocacy bridge). All I had time for was a shout of > "Collin!" and I was past, hotly pursued by a group of women. > > Alas, I wasn't the object of the pursuit... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 08:29:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08140; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03539 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01326 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:29:46 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256664.004496A4 ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:29:10 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256664.00441759.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:29:04 -0400 Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline They've already said they don't want me to mention the fact that I'm going to sell the bike after I get it and to be all smiles. That would be reason enough for me to make sure that every one within hearing distance knows that I intend to sell it. As a matter of fact I would probably show up with a for sale sign to put on the bike. What are they going to do? Tell you that you can't have it now. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 09:40:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08660; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04227 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02632 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:34:24 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:37:01 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Canadian Bike TV -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline > What will they think > of next, drive-shafts? Harley built a shaftie in 1941 for the Army as a Rommel chaser. Model 42XA-Solo. BMW copy right down to the horizontally-opposed twin. Only 1000 made. By the time they were built, the Germans had been chased out of the Sahara. Joe '85 Ninja 900 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 09:48:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08720; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04420 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02760 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247919@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: dumb non-mc related question.. Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How do I get to Union Station from points south? Sorry, I'm not DC litterate... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 10:07:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08901; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04795 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03153 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:04:43 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Has First Winner of Harley-Davidson(TM) Motorcycle Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:04:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdcab1$1a35d680$3380e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <5ef41887.35d95ec7@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal My earlier comment was a bit tongue in cheek. The R850R was VERY easy to lift the front on. Not quite as easy as the F650, but easy, nonetheless. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > It takes a different technique, but I can wheelie on my > Shaft-drive Shadow. > Gotta get her rolling, pull in the clutch, rev up and dump the > clutch but it's > not too difficult. The front comes right on up. :) > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "[Lone] Black Wolf" :) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 10:10:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08930; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04833 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03238 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 289; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:10:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35D98B5E.379365D5@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:10:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Canadian Bike TV References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil wrote: > Makes up for the weakness in the Dyna chassis design. What weakness? The Dyna chassis is the Harley "I'm most likely to own someday" if that ever happens. Now you tell me there's a weakness! Augh! Please elaborate, Gil! Dale Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 11:13:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09565; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05662 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dsava.com (known mail.waats.org.waats.org [192.234.181.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04790 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by virginia.dsava.com id <26882>; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:10:41 -0400 From: "Chris Hamlett" To: "Dale Horstman" , Subject: RE: Canadian Bike TV Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:02:10 -0400 Message-Id: <98Aug18.111041edt.26882@virginia.dsava.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35D98B5E.379365D5@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > What weakness? The Dyna chassis is the Harley "I'm > most likely to own someday" if that ever happens. > Now you tell me there's a weakness! Augh! One thing you can read that talks about the problem with the Dyna chassis is Motorcycle Online's review of the Carlini Torque Arm, a chunk of chrome and aluminum designed to fix it. I don't know if the new harleys with the new motor have the same problem. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/carlini.html Chris Hamlett 98 FXD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 12:10:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10298; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06356 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06496 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:10:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6QORa20768; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:09:19 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TL FI problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Took my bike to the dealer last tuesday, still no luck getting it started. They called suzuki, but havent got a response on what to do to fix it yet. I told them of the problems that the suzuki's are having with the tube on the fuel pump falling off. He said..."Well its getting fuel to the pump, its past that thats the problem." Hmm, no shit? In more or less words I put it. ;) I told him that that was the hose having the problem, and I immediately stated that I "wasn't trying to tell him how to do his job, because I know I dont know as much, just trying to save some time." I know how it is when someone try's to tell you whats up. Maybe he took my advice and checked it. I'll find out tomorrow when I call again. Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 13:05:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11341; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07406 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08485 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id NAA07578 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256664.005DDD4B ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256664.005DADF6.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:59 -0400 Subject: Triumph Legend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline While at the book store during my lunch hour I noticed in a British motor mag (Classic Cycle?) that Triumph is building a no-frills version of the Thunderbird (which I love) called the Legend...has anyone heard anything about this bike? It looks to be L1500-200 less than the Thunderbird (which is priced at like L7000, whatever that is in $$...maybe around $8000?). Just wondering...I know many of you are much more connected to the MC press than I am :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 13:18:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11460; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07783 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08818 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23820; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:18:59 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666DD@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Triumph Legend Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:18:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Doug, Pricing on the other side of the pond is quite spendy for bikes. Figure (very roughly) 1.5-1.6 the price in pounds (L) to get the US price. Obviously Thunderbirds don't go for over $10k here so.....best to call a triumph dealer and see if they're even going to sell it over here.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 1:16 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Triumph Legend > > the Thunderbird (which > is priced at like L7000, whatever that is in $$...maybe around $8000?). > Just wondering...I know many of you are much more connected to the MC > press > than I am :-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 13:26:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11535; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07962 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09040 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07321 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Southern WV/VA trip part 2 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:25:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) All, some of us have been planning (offline) another trip to the Princeton WV and surrounding areas. As before this trip will take three days. One for traveling down, one to hit all the good roads and another to travel back. Its still in the planning stages but since we had so much rain last time we want to make two weekends available. One as the target date and the other as a rain date. This would require making two reservations at two different hotels and then canceling one depending on the weather. I will work out the hotel details. For our last trip the rooms were about $60 a night including taxes. Most of us had 2 double beds and split the cost. The rates might also be cheaper in October. Right now the weekends of choice are (pick two of the following) October 2-3 or 3-5. October 9-11 or 10-12 (the 12th is Columbus day... this is the preferred weekend since some people will already have this day off). Or October 16-18 or 17-19. Note: October 17 is WV's largest one day festival known as bridge day in Fayetteville. This could effect us getting rooms. Total mileage should be similar to the last trip which racked up an average of 1000 miles. We will be splitting into a minimum of two groups. These roads are very very challenging. I would not recommend any newbies coming on this trip even in a slower paced group. Also as a group we expect the proper gear to be worn. We will have no problem telling you to take a hike if you show up in shorts and/or a T-shirt. We already have potentially 10 people going. If you'd like to go on this trip let me know. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 13:27:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11540; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07981 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09075 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA20483 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Triumph Legend In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666DD@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Pricing on the other side of the pond is quite spendy for bikes. Figure > (very roughly) 1.5-1.6 the price in pounds (L) to get the US price. > Obviously Thunderbirds don't go for over $10k here so.....best to call a > triumph dealer and see if they're even going to sell it over here.. Ditto what Collin said. This is one reason they've got a thriving grey import market (which, in turn, means they've got low used bike values). Of course, you can't get a grey market Triumph in the UK... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 14:06:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12034; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08347 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10075 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:06:30 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA03114 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003070; Tue Aug 18 13:05:17 1998 Message-ID: <35D9C2BE.75DE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:06:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Show/Swap Meet References: <199808172300.TAA22834@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The show and swap meet was not the best I've ever been to, but it was pretty darn good nonetheless. There was, for example, a nearly perfectly restored sandcast Honda CB750, the grand-daddy of virtually every modern 4-cylinder motorcycle. It's almost impossible to overstate the impact this bike had on the motorcycle world when it first appeared. It brought Japanese bikes into the current role as technology leaders, and pretty much singlehandedly drove British bikes out of the American marketplace. There were lots of early '60s bikes in various states of restoration, from basket cases to museum quality. There was a 1982 Honda CB-X, the six-cylinder monster. Some interesting two-stroke models of smaller makes (e.g., Bridgestone, etc.). Mostly there were parts galore, and if you're into restoring old bikes it was bargain paradise. I can see how it wouldn't be your scene if you're not really into vintage Japanese bikes. For those who appreciate such things, however, it was a very nice place to spend a few hours. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 14:13:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12099; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08426 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10249 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:10:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:12:58 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Triumph Legend -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Ad in Sept Motorcyclist, Triumph's running an ad for the Legend. $7495 they say. So I guess they're selling it here. >>> Kirk Roy - 8/18/98 1:27 PM >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Pricing on the other side of the pond is quite spendy for bikes. Figure > (very roughly) 1.5-1.6 the price in pounds (L) to get the US price. > Obviously Thunderbirds don't go for over $10k here so.....best to call a > triumph dealer and see if they're even going to sell it over here.. Ditto what Collin said. This is one reason they've got a thriving grey import market (which, in turn, means they've got low used bike values). Of course, you can't get a grey market Triumph in the UK... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 14:38:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12452; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08572 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11047 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA21332; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:37:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980818183747.ICN13385@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:37:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles , Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: New MA/MB ratings Was: Mobil 1 for motorcycles X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980818183747.ICN13385@[166.41.242.141]> Just finished the MCN August 1998 Consumer Report: "Motorcycle & Automotive Oils Round 2: Both the players and the playing field change." MCN is taking credit for having spurred the debate of Auto vs. Moto type oil (1994) into the greater realm of oil manufacturers and points to a study put out by the Paramins Company(manufactures oil additives) that stated roughly what MCN did: "Many motorcycle oils marketed today are nothing more than re-branded passenger car motor oils with no optimization for four-stroke motorcycle engines." Motorcycle engineers became concerned that the new SJ rated oil used in motorcycles could cause 'Starter Clutch slippage', 'Clutch slippage' and 'Transmission gear pitting' to name a few fears. Testing for just such event is inconclusive. The fairly recent SAE SJ rating is at the heart of the controversy. The SJ rating allows for a lower viscosity oil and a lower phosphorous % additive, which is great for car manufacturers trying to meet EPA fuel-mileage efficiency standards, but for Motorcycles it sucks. MCNs recommendation was to stick to the higher Visco-oils with the SG/H oils. Now to the future. A motorcycle oil subcommittee was formed in 1996 to begin work on a quality classification system for moto-oils. The final draft of test methods was completed Dec, 1997. The new specification for motorcycle oils became effective in Apr, 1998. They are MA and MB. MA is for high friction engines, MB for low. The MB rating applies to just about every 4-stroke motorcycle sold in America. MCN Recommends the MB-standard oils. Look for them in your nearest Pep Boys and other large auto-outlets. Also look for some real competition now (lower prices). Todd Tom Catron wrote: >Actually, I find this (adding a "pint" of the oil to regular oil) an >interesting point. One of the problems I have always had with synthetic >blends is that they never specify the percentage of synthetic to >"real". You can control for this by purchasing half and half (assuming >you wanted 50% blend) of the same weight oils (ie, 2 quarts full >synthetic and 2 quarts "real"). > >Another strategy is to wait until some competition comes along. Of >course, I don't recall the price of synthetic dropping when other makers >marketed their brands. Perhaps this is a price fixing startegy in >operation. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 16:55:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14815; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09759 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16623 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Blue Ridge Road Riders - Poker Run 7/23 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:00:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain In the July/August issue of "Winding Times" there is a poker run listed for this Sunday, 7/23. It starts from JT Motorsports in Frederick, MD and is sponsored by the Blue Ridge Road Riders. Anyone ever been riding with these folks? Anyone thinking of going? Since I've spent pretty much all of my riding time in VA and WV, I thought it might be fun to get up into MD for a change. Anita '96 GPZ1100 (still ugly, but at least the estimate was approved) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 18:41:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16121; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11183 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20103 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA23394; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Anita Lauro cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Road Riders - Poker Run 7/23 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope you mean 8/23. But if you are seriouse about going let me know... I am just south of Fredric and would like to go. We could meet up there, and I am sure Rob migh go... he lives there. Hey look three possible people from the list! -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > In the July/August issue of "Winding Times" there is a poker run listed > for this Sunday, 7/23. It starts from JT Motorsports in Frederick, MD > and is sponsored by the Blue Ridge Road Riders. Anyone ever been riding > with these folks? Anyone thinking of going? Since I've spent pretty > much all of my riding time in VA and WV, I thought it might be fun to > get up into MD for a change. > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (still ugly, but at least the estimate was approved) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 18:58:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16228; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11332 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20394 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:57:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPOHa26052 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:56:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: back from trip/triumph for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Hello, I'm back in MD after a 5 week motorcycle ride. I didn't ride every day, I stayed in Berkeley for 3 of the weeks. The bike is still in CA, for sale at a friend's shop. I flew back. Now I get to work on my new bike, woo-hoo. A friend has the following bike for sale. I have not even seen it, so please call him, not me, if you are interested and have any questions. It is a 1976 Bonneville 750 that he says runs but needs some work. He estimates that the stuff it needs to be nice will run around $700. He'd like to get $1200 for it. If anyone is interested, call Colin at 410/467-1795. -Colleen www.leatherexchange.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 20:06:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16921; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13210 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21684 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10929 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:06:11 -0400 Message-ID: <030601bdcb05$128939a0$3c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Surveillance cameras Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:05:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It's not usually my desire to burden motorcycling folks with continued serious discussion of an issue such as public surveillance cameras, but electronic privacy being an issue to which I've devoted time in the past, I'm driven to share this graphic criticism (recently arriving in another context) which demonstrates that adverse feelings for this sociological development can exist in all walks (and rides) of life -- http://www.vroc.org/pics/1998-08/jpg00001.jpg Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 21:01:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17352; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14176 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22628 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA08764 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:01:17 -0400 (EDT) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Road Riders - Poker Run 8/23 (not 7/23) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:05:21 -0400 Message-ID: <35db2482.86117036@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:41:29 -0400 (EDT), Frank Artes wrote: >I hope you mean 8/23. =20 Ack... just goes to show you how messed up I am! :-) Make that 8/23! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 21:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17486; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14310 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23001 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:17:11 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Triumph Legend Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:16:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdcb0f$0bfb2bc0$2f80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Oops. Actually, there is a grey market for Triumphs in the UK. RiDE reported on this about a year ago. Due to the extra fees that UK dealers have to pay, exchange rates, etc., there were many bikes imported from the Netherlands (? Maybe some other country, but I seem to remember this). However, I think that all of the company owned importers (Honda, Yam., etc.) have changed their pricing some this year to limit how many grey bikes there are. Plus, one of the biggest grey bike dealers went into the toilet... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 1:27 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Triumph Legend > > > On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > Pricing on the other side of the pond is quite spendy for bikes. Figure > > (very roughly) 1.5-1.6 the price in pounds (L) to get the US price. > > Obviously Thunderbirds don't go for over $10k here so.....best to call a > > triumph dealer and see if they're even going to sell it over here.. > > Ditto what Collin said. This is one reason they've got a thriving grey > import market (which, in turn, means they've got low used bike values). Of > course, you can't get a grey market Triumph in the UK... > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 18 22:09:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18024; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14479 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23700 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA07338 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.44.172.42]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980819020814.DAUJ13385@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:08:14 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Surveillance cameras Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bdcb16$37ef7180$2aac2ca6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <030601bdcb05$128939a0$3c10b1cd@newmicronpc> Importance: Normal Great pic, I'll have to show that one to my mother. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. mobacc showed us: http://www.vroc.org/pics/1998-08/jpg00001.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 07:20:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22687; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22642 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01736 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPABa02268 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f06f0b.35dab4ca@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:19:37 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Buying Riding Apparel Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, now that my Nighthawk is gone (yes, it's true!), I plan on buying a new riding jacket and possibly some pants. I already have an idea of what I want (Hein Gericke "Boost" jacket), but I'm not sure where to find it. I understand Riders Accessory Warehouse is a place to go, but I have no clue how to get there from Frederick, MD. Any suggestions on places to check and/or directions to get there would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 07:24:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22702; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22667 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01780 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24020 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:23:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Nice site Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:23:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) http://www.bikepics.com/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 07:43:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22789; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22845 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02022 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA25011 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:43:15 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:43:15 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Lottery Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:45:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >From Motorcycle Online: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0819.html For those without Web access: Gramps Rides a Harley Want to win one of the Harley-Davidson Sportster 1200 Customs being awarded in a Pennsylvania lottery instant game? Be old enough to be able to call former Senator Bob Dole "sonny." Last Friday 80-year-old Edward Murawski became the he first confirmed winner of the the top prize in the Pennsylvania Lottery's Harley-Davidson instant ticket game. Mr. Murawski is old enough to have been offered a ride by General Eisenhower while hitch-hiking in Europe during World War II. Murawski has said that he prefers walking but adds that since he has the bike, he won't be doing so much walking. "I will have to get a helmet, a leather jacket ... and maybe some tattoos!" Cool. A second Harley was won by Harry Zerby, 73, of Bellefonte, PA. Harry's wife, Nell, purchased the Harley-Davidson lottery ticket. "She likes playing the Lottery and plays quite often," Harry said. "Nell bought the Harley ticket, started to scratch it off and handed it to me. She knew she won the bike but wanted me to have it. I was very excited! I thought she was kidding at first. Our anniversary was a week away and Nell wanted the bike to be an anniversary gift." The Zerbys are married 47 years. Zerby says he used to ride an Indian while he was in his 20's and 30's. "I really missed riding," he said. "It's been a long time. My brother, Guy, sells motorcycles, so I can get a helmet and some motorcycle gear easy enough." Harry said that he might go riding with his brother, as well. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 07:46:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22799; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23140 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02066 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808191146.HAA02066@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA8C5720138; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:44:12 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:50:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Rosslyn & Crystal City MC parking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, all. It looks like I'll have some work in Crystal City (mostly) and some in Rosslyn, too. Anyone know of good motorcycle parking in those areas? I'm familiar with sneaking in at the end of an overly-long car slot, and other city techniques, but I was wondering if Virginia has any motorcycle-specific parking slots like DC is. I'm looking for some place to leave the bike all day (and not pay the $8-20 daily garage rate). thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 09:16:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23451; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24649 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03661 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 166.55.52.34 (usr5-dialup34.mix2.Atlanta.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EXX00F7GU4PUI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:14:53 +0000 (GMT) X-URL: http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/pilot/TGpostman/ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:14:53 +0000 (GMT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET From: Dave Weaver Subject: Re: Rosslyn & Crystal City MC parking To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <0EXX00F7LU4QUI@PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET> X-Mailer: Top Gun Postman version 1.2 beta for USR PalmPilot Chris Norloff wrote on 8/19/98 7:50 am: >Anyone know of good >motorcycle parking in those >areas? Hi Chris, I live in Rosslyn right now (an apartment called River Place right behind the USA Today building). Anyway, I rent a garaged motorcycle space there for $15 a month. You don't have to rent an apartment there to rent a space. Here's the number for the East building, they'll be able to help you out: (703) 276-7322. As for Crystal City, I can't help you. Dave -- >From the PalmPilot of Dave Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 09:31:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23625; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25971 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04169 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:31:50 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256665.004A4417 ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:31:10 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256665.0048E5E4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:31:07 -0400 Subject: Grand National Flat Track race this Saturday night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline For anyone that is interested. I'm going to the Hagerstown raceway this Saturday night for the AMA Grand National Championship Flat Track Race. Planning to arrive there sometime between 5 and 7 pm. Races usually last until about 10 or 11 pm. This is a fantastic race for both riders and spectators. If anyone is interested in joining me, let me know and we can make plans on when and where to meet. If there is enough interest we could even meet early and do a nice back roads ride out to the track. I'll probably make the meeting place the Fairfax Silver Diner. So please join me. This race is great fun and you won't regret it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 09:33:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23640; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26009 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04202 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29325 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:32:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rosslyn & Crystal City MC parking Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:32:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) For Crystal City you could park in the Pentagon MC parking in South Parking and then walk over there. The Pentagon parking lots don't require a sticker for parking motorcycles. Glenn > Hi, all. It looks like I'll have some work in Crystal City (mostly) and > some in Rosslyn, too. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 09:46:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23754; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26689 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04539 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:46:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:45:57 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Experience with Yoshimura's ZRS slip-on? I've been considering getting a slip-on pipe for my '95 RF 900 Suzuki for the look and sound, but I don't want to go through the frustration (and expense!) of re-jetting the carbs. For the uninitiated, Yoshimura's ZRS is supposed to combine the "appearance" of their more performance-oriented Zyclone pipes with a "near stock" level of sound. Glancing back through my past years collection of Dennis Kirk catalogs, I noticed that in some years the ZRS is touted as "no carburetor recalibration required" but other years as "carburetor recalibration SELDOM required." So, what does that mean? I fired off some e-mail questions to Yoshimura's website earlier in the week, but the site warned that the volume of inquiries they receive often means up to a 4-6 week wait for a reply. Anyone here tried the ZRS? Recommend it? Hate it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 09:54:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23812; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26963 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04746 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09943 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666E1@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: FW: Tools and how to use them. Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:55:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I know it's an old one, but I came across it again this morning and was laughing at how true it is..... besides..list traffic always seems so slow and boring on Wednesdays. > HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is > used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive parts not far from the > object we are trying to hit. > MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard > cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes > containing seats and leather jackets. > ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in their > holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for drilling > mounting holes in fenders just above the brake line that goes to the rear > wheel. > PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. > HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board > principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable > motion, > and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your > future becomes. > VISE-GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, > they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your > hand. > OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable > objects in your garage on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease > inside > a brake-drum you're trying to get the bearing race out of. > WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and > motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 > socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes. > DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat > metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and > flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly > painted part you were drying. > WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere under > the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls > and > hard-earned guitar calluses in about the time it takes you to say, > "Ouch...." > HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering a motorcycle to the ground after > you have installed your new front disk brake setup, trapping the jack > handle firmly under the front fender. > EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering a motorcycle upward off > a hydraulic jack. > TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters. > PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbor to see if he has another hydraulic > floor jack. > SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for > spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for getting dog-doo off your boot. > E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and > is > ten times harder than any known drill bit. > TIMING LIGHT: A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease buildup. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 10:07:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23929; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27243 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05091 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10926; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666E3@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'David Wakefield'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Experience with Yoshimura's ZRS slip-on? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:08:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It all depends on the bike and the location. Here at sea level, you probably won't have to rejet an RF900 since it's header is the main restrictive part of the system...the can is decent, but heavy. At higher altitudes, a slip on may be enough to lean the bike out too much. Technically, any time you change the exhaust flow you should work on the carbs. Adding just the slip on, simple adjustments of the mixture screws should be enough (if it's even needed at all). Take a few plug chops at various RPM ranges to tell how you're burning. If it's too lean then increase the mixture. If everything looks good, then all the better...no adjustment needed.! > -----Original Message----- > From: David Wakefield [SMTP:DavidW@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 10:02 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Experience with Yoshimura's ZRS slip-on? > > some years the ZRS is touted as "no carburetor > recalibration required" but other years as "carburetor recalibration > SELDOM required." So, what does that mean? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 10:18:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24084; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27392 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05392 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:18:45 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247925@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Grand National Flat Track race this Saturday night Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:16:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where's the track? I might stop by (although earlier in the day) to watch some practices.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- For anyone that is interested. I'm going to the Hagerstown raceway this Saturday night for the AMA Grand National Championship Flat Track Race. Planning to arrive there sometime between 5 and 7 pm. Races usually last until about 10 or 11 pm. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 10:40:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24378; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27593 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06030 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA07313 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Experience with Yoshimura's ZRS slip-on? In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666E3@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > At higher altitudes, a slip on may be enough to lean the bike out > too much. Isn't it the other way around? At higher altitudes your bike will run richer (since the air is "thinner"). So, a bike with a moderately lean condition at sea level (as with a stock bike) will run better at altitude since it'll run richer there (less air + same gas = richer). A rich condition is easier on the engine than a lean condition. The engine runs hotter when lean (the 'extra' gas when the bike is rich acts as a coolant) and things like knocking and pinging can occur because of the excess heat. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 10:48:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24655; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27700 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06556 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25951 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980819144815.ETZD13385@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:48:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Chris Meir X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980819144815.ETZD13385@[166.41.242.141]> ...Calling Chris Meir. Ping back please. I need a good email addy. Sorry for the post everyone else. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 13:11:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26485; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02586 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11650 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA28574; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028477; Wed, 19 Aug 98 13:10:55 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXY005604YTYC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256665.005E1989 ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:07:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:08:02 -0400 Subject: Virago - For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jeffrey.huse@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256665.005E1FDF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Posted for a co-worker ... Please respond directly to him at jeffrey.huse@XXXXXX Later, chris ================================================ I have the following motorcycle for sale. Good condition. 1982 Yamaha 750 Virago Grey Approx. 11,000 miles New rear tire $600 firm ================================================ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 14:22:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27473; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03662 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14138 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA21142; Wed, 19 Aug 98 14:21:45 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 19 Aug 98 11:22:55 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 19 Aug 98 11:22:34 -0800 Received: from vrc_server (157.187.160.22) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 19 Aug 98 11:22:29 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Experience with Yoshimura's ZRS slip-on? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:21:12 -0700 Message-Id: <000301bdcb9e$2529f560$16a0bb9d@vrc_server.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal You are right. I had a KZ1100 that refused to run well until I took it to Colorado and the thin air enrichened the air/fuel mixture. Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 7:41 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Experience with Yoshimura's ZRS slip-on? > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > At higher altitudes, a slip on may be enough to lean the bike out > > too much. > > Isn't it the other way around? At higher altitudes your bike will run > richer (since the air is "thinner"). So, a bike with a moderately lean > condition at sea level (as with a stock bike) will run better at altitude > since it'll run richer there (less air + same gas = richer). A rich > condition is easier on the engine than a lean condition. The engine runs > hotter when lean (the 'extra' gas when the bike is rich acts as a coolant) > and things like knocking and pinging can occur because of the excess heat. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 14:45:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27774; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03863 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15050 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256665.0066F3E4 ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:44:31 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256665.0065BD03.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:44:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Ride this Saturday? And: Grand National Flat Track race this Saturday night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline That sounds like an excellent way to spend a Saturday. So far just you (Todd), Glenn and Tom have expressed an interest. I imagine we might get a few more bites between now and Saturday. Lets plan on a meeting point that will accomodate Tom since he has an obligation for Saturday morning. We can bring a map and figure out a good loop that will dump us somewhere near Hagarstown near the end of the day. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 14:55:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27894; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04367 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15285 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:55:09 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256665.0067DB82 ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:54:24 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256665.00672F35.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:54:22 -0400 Subject: RE: Grand National Flat Track race this Saturday night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Where's the track? I might stop by (although earlier in the day) to watch some practices.. Well from my Swiss cheese memory it's about 6 or 8 miles on the other side of town on route 40. It will be on your right. I called the track to find out when practice starts. She said it started at 6:00 pm. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 15:14:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28071; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04792 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15855 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA22835; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980819191335.SMTC618@localHost>; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:13:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: sbeck@XXXXXX CC: Stephan Lee , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride this Saturday? And: Grand National Flat Track race this Saturday night X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980819191335.SMTC618@localHost> I'm way ahead of you. Just finished plotting a route starting from Point of Rocks, MD - ending in Hagarstown. Total mileage 200 miles, and SA5 says 6h20m. With breaks, I suspect that's around 5.5-6hours total. There are some suspect roads though, so let me get the details worked out. I'll then post to the list for advice about a specific road. General route is zig-zag from e-w-n-e. Todd Steve Beck wrote: >That sounds like an excellent way to spend a Saturday. So far just you >(Todd), Glenn and Tom have expressed an interest. I imagine we might get >a few more bites between now and Saturday. Lets plan on a meeting point >that will accomodate Tom since he has an obligation for Saturday morning. >We can bring a map and figure out a good loop that will dump us somewhere >near Hagarstown near the end of the day. > >Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 15:22:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28162; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05233 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16154 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15015 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , Todd Peer Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ride this Saturday? And: Grand National Flat Track race this Saturday night Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:21:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Actually, I don't plan on attending another MD ride since we just did one Sunday. I am game for a VA or WV ride. Glenn > That sounds like an excellent way to spend a Saturday. So far just you > (Todd), Glenn and Tom have expressed an interest. I imagine we might get > a few more bites between now and Saturday. Lets plan on a meeting point > that will accomodate Tom since he has an obligation for Saturday morning. > We can bring a map and figure out a good loop that will dump us somewhere > near Hagarstown near the end of the day. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 15:24:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28203; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05494 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16267 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA28478; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:23:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Interceptor parts for sale/trade Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1983 Interceptor 750, not crashed, bad engine (out of frame), no title (may be available---but unlikely). --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 15:29:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28248; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05633 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16485 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA29980; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:28:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:28:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: parts/part-bike wanted: 1970 Honda CB-450 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Looking for parts/parts bike in good condition. Don't need engine, but lots of crash damage elsewhere. Email privately for list of parts wanted. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:18:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29088; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06693 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18172 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17410 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA09484 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:17:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808192017.PAA09484@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from 207-172-36-40.s40.tnt6.ann.erols.com(207.172.36.40) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009365; Wed Aug 19 15:16:42 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:15:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Maps and satellite pictures Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Here's a site I hadn't heard about before that seems like it could be handy for future use. (Best if you have a high speed connection.) http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:29:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29750; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06799 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18701 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12649 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:28:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980819202841.HZWN13385@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:28:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: AMA GN Flat Tracking X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980819202841.HZWN13385@[166.41.242.141]> If anyone has been on the roads I've ??? next to, let me know if they are dirt or not. Thanks. Acknowledged Attendees (so far): Steve Beck Tom Gimer Todd Peer Sean Sullivan Here is the general gist of a route I've plotted. 11AM - Leave Point of Rocks Commuter train station parking lot - Cross 15 into VA turn immediate right onto 672 into Lovettsville - Left on 287 about 2m then Right onto 682 heading up to Mountain Road - 690 ??? Anybody been on this road before? Paved? If not then it is 5m of dirt. - Rt on RT9 and then onto Harpers Ferry road over to 340 - L on 340 and up Chestnut hill back to rt9 - R again on 9 across the river and immediate R onto CR27 Bakerton - Bakerton up to and across 340, a couple miles and it turns into CR28 after the RR tracks - CR28, 31, 17|1 toward Shepardstown. R on 31|1, Trough road up to and across 230. ??? Anybody been on 31|1 at this point? If it's dirt we can continue on 17|1 into Shepardstown and T-L on 230 - L on 16|1 over tracks, Ridge rd, R on 16|2, Schoolhouse to 480 to Kearneysville. - L on rt9 to CR8 (R) which Turns into CR51|2 at CR15 - R at SR51 and immediate L onto NO NAME (could be dirt). Alternate would be L on SR51 to Charlestown, and R onto CR13, Summit point pike. - Stay on Summit point pike to VA border, turns 761. Follow up to rt11 - The rest of it runs westerly and zig-zaggedy. Highlight roads include 681 into Glengary, WV from VA. CR7, 13, 8 out of Shanghai, WV into Berkely Springs, WV, and then from there RT 9 heading east to 11, up into Hagerstown. If all goes well we should arrive at the track at or just after 5pm Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:35:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00045; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06881 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19151 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 347 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:34:49 -0400 Message-ID: <35DB3705.67A701A3@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:35:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw 6 different Fairfax County moto cops riding around last night on the commute home. Looks like they all had new Harly police bikes. Saw a pair heading South (east?) on the FFax County Parkway, left them, and then picked up a group of three going through Clifton. Left them, and then had one pull up beside me in Dale City (not Fairfax County, so he must've been heading home). Sheesh. Interesting note: They tended to ride two abreast in the lane when traveling together, effectively limiting themselves to half a lane to avoid potholes and/or tar snakes. I thought they'd string out in the twisties through Clifton, but they still rode two abreast. Surprised me. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:36:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00107; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06893 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19247 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18322 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA23176; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:34:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980819203457.IBLN13385@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:34:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Bill Schmidt" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maps and satellite pictures X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980819203457.IBLN13385@[166.41.242.141]> >Here's a site I hadn't heard about before that seems like it could be >handy for future use. > >(Best if you have a high speed connection.) > >http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ REALLY HIGH-Speed connection. I was playing with this the other day. It is amusing, but it loads very slowly. Also, in places you'd think there should be data, there ain't any (Like my HOUSE!). Cool concept for a web-page but they need to speed it up and have closer detail. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:41:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00354; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07025 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19644 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18619 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 592; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:40:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980819164021.00bf8230@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:40:26 -0400 To: billsch@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Maps and satellite pictures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" its slow even WITH a high speed connection :-( At 04:15 PM 8/19/98 -0500, Bill Schmidt wrote: >Here's a site I hadn't heard about before that seems like it could be >handy for future use. > >(Best if you have a high speed connection.) > >http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ > > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:48:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00528; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07101 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19939 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.23] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA00309; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:46:40 -0400 Message-ID: <011201bdcbb1$f0520940$1d73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: AMA GN Flat Tracking Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:42:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > - Left on 287 about 2m then Right onto 682 heading up to Mountain > Road - 690 > ??? Anybody been on this road before? Paved? If not then > it is 5m of dirt. I'm pretty sure this is dirt. Loudoun County has more dirt roads than any other county in VA. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:49:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00541; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07138 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20003 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WVQUa19316 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <507afb45.35db3a22@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:48:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-19 16:40:36 EDT, you write: << Interesting note: They tended to ride two abreast in the lane when traveling together, effectively limiting themselves to half a lane to avoid potholes and/or tar snakes. I thought they'd string out in the twisties through Clifton, but they still rode two abreast. Surprised me. >> That is surprising because I would think that is 10 times more dangerous to take curves abreast of one another. Figures, I thought that was illegal. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:53:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00571; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07206 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20086 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:52:56 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWSJa17154 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7397cd55.35db3b07@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:52:22 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Maps and satellite pictures Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I had no probs with my 33.6 modem. :) Loaded up just fine. Weird huh? Robert "Even my modem's fast!" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 16:59:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00640; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07290 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20240 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.98] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA00368; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:58:04 -0400 Message-ID: <35DB3B4F.F67B60A7@anent.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:53:36 -0400 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: AMA GN Flat Tracking References: <19980819202841.HZWN13385@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it's paved, but many "bumpy" sections...you won't be going extremly fast on it Todd Peer wrote: > - Left on 287 about 2m then Right onto 682 heading up to Mountain > Road - 690 > ??? Anybody been on this road before? Paved? If not then > it is 5m of dirt. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 17:07:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00722; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07454 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20516 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 247; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: <35DB3E82.3AD42A54@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:07:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: <507afb45.35db3a22@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack wrote: > That is surprising because I would think that is 10 times more dangerous to > take curves abreast of one another. Figures, I thought that was illegal. That's what I thought too. Narrow roads, sharp turns, and two bike wide bikes funneling through just don't seem to be a good idea to me. FWIW, both the cop riders were rock steady, they looked like they had ridden in formation like that for a long time. Still not something I'd try at home. Still, I wonder how many times the Fairfax County Police Maintenance garage has to fix incidental damage on the right side of one bike, and the left side of another, somehow mysteriously occuring at the same time? Hmm... Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 17:21:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00818; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07680 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20914 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-156.s156.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.156]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10390; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DB41EB.52AC68D4@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:21:47 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Experience with Yoshimura's ZRS slip-on? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, I was backwards...Guess staying up till 11 and getting back up at 3:30 working a vessel grounding salvage case warped my mind (yeah that's it :)). Kirk Roy wrote: > Isn't it the other way around? -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 17:30:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00947; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07784 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21157 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-156.s156.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.156]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14078; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DB4368.3382A4D8@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:28:08 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig CC: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: Re: AMA GN Flat Tracking References: <19980819202841.HZWN13385@[166.41.242.141]> <35DB3B4F.F67B60A7@anent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ditto what Craig said... My recommendation would be to turn right on 690 in Lovetsville and take it all the way down to 9. This stretch used to be extremely bumpy, but I rode it last weekend and it was much better do to some resurfacing here and there. Craig wrote: > > Yes it's paved, but many "bumpy" sections...you won't be going extremly fast > on it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 17:31:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01004; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07791 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21177 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-156.s156.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.156]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15663; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DB442A.C50C684F@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:31:22 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: <507afb45.35db3a22@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last time I looked it was illegal for two vehicles to share the same lane. I've heard discussion on this list of people getting stopped for it....hmmmm too bad you couldn't get a pic or even better, some video of it....then if you ever got stopped....:) I'm sure one of "them" (them being lawyers) could find a way to manipulate it and get you off the hook :) WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: Figures, I thought that was illegal. > > Jack -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 17:57:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01234; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08125 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (known smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21827 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:56:52 -0400 Sender: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (user-38lcjt1.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.161]) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with SMTP id RAA06205 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980819175852.006adc7c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:58:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Speaking of Ponch and Jon, I just got my copy of the BMW RA newsletter which shows Eric Estrada and Larry Wilcox reprising their roles in a new made-for-TV "CHiPs" movie for TNT. Of course, this year they'll be riding BMW R1100RT-P. It's supposed to be on in October. To quote BMW RA, "Given the quiet of the RTs, maybe this time the boys can REALLY talk while riding down the road two abreast." Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 17:58:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01240; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08158 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21850 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA16439; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:57:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-07.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.39) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016400; Wed Aug 19 16:56:51 1998 Message-ID: <35DAE725.481B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:54:29 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rosslyn & Crystal City MC parking References: <199808191146.HAA02066@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Hi, all. It looks like I'll have some work in Crystal City (mostly) and > some in Rosslyn, too. > > > thanks, > Chris Norloff Chris, in Crystal City, check the Northwest corner of S 18 th St. and Crystal Dr. there are always a half dozen bikes parked right at the corner, and room for more. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 18:02:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01278; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08263 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21944 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22318 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA21839 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35DB4B64.A9DF4CF7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:02:12 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maps and satellite pictures References: <199808192017.PAA09484@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a horrible interface! I can live with slow, but trying to find something using this thing is damn near impossible. With the GPS, I've got the Lat/Lon for several places down to within a couple of hundred feet. With Microsoft and the Lat/Lon from the GPS it still took me 5-10 tries to find my house. I tried to get my mother-in-laws house (my own parents are homeless again) but I don't know the area well enough to be able to find it. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. Bill Schmidt wrote: > > Here's a site I hadn't heard about before that seems like it could be > handy for future use. > > (Best if you have a high speed connection.) > > http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 18:20:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01444; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08427 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22277 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA22092; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of Ponch and Jon In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980819175852.006adc7c@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From what I remember of the Maryland Motorcycle book.. you can ride two bikes abrest. No more then two... as if you would.... I personaly do not like limiting my options for avoiding that hunk of rubber, or the rusty old muffler, or the DC pot hole... etc. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Speaking of Ponch and Jon, I just got my copy of the BMW RA newsletter > which shows Eric Estrada and Larry Wilcox reprising their roles in a new > made-for-TV "CHiPs" movie for TNT. Of course, this year they'll be riding > BMW R1100RT-P. It's supposed to be on in October. > To quote BMW RA, "Given the quiet of the RTs, maybe this time the boys > can REALLY talk while riding down the road two abreast." > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 21:31:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03170; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10639 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25670 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00630; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: <35DB7B11.C188E669@anent.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:25:38 -0400 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: Re: AMA GN Flat Tracking References: <19980819202841.HZWN13385@[166.41.242.141]> <35DB3B4F.F67B60A7@anent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I take that back..I was thinking it was this road ... .....this is all paved but some bumpy.. when coming into Lovettsville from Pt. of Rocks, Md. thru town a 7-11 is on the right, at that stop sign go across..I think it's called George's Rd... It runs back to the mountain then goes left along it towards Hillsboro...then you turn right .on..I think 690 at this point.....and into Hillsboro on Rt. 9.... ...Todd back track the road from hillsboro to get the right number Craig wrote: > Yes it's paved, but many "bumpy" sections...you won't be going extremly fast > on it > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > - Left on 287 about 2m then Right onto 682 heading up to Mountain > > Road - 690 > > ??? Anybody been on this road before? Paved? If not then > > it is 5m of dirt. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 19 23:24:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03945; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14542 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27296 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:21:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:21:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdcbe9$a2a235c0$2b80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35DB3705.67A701A3@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal If they were Harleys, that wasn't ponch and john. The upcoming made for TNT CHiPs movie will feature jon and ponch on BMW R1100RTPs. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 00:09:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04567; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15346 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27985 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:06:06 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Submitted for your approval Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:05:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01bdcbef$d13b7940$2b80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.pipeline.com/~randyo/Top_10.htm ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 00:28:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04826; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15750 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28279 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:25:54 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Winchester Indian has a web page? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:25:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bdcbf2$95a6c260$2b80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ Sorry for posting two URLs in one nite. Am looking for information on sidecars. Glad to see that Winchester sells 'em. Went there once, and the people were so nice, I just had to figure out SOME way to do some business with 'em;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 08:16:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07720; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22334 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04106 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20401; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:14:52 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666EF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Craig'" , Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: RE: AMA GN Flat Tracking Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:14:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It stays 690 all the way from Lovettsville to Hillsboro. 682 heads on south from the T intersection about 2/3 of the way along the road. > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:peggrinder@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 7:55 AM > To: Todd Peer; dc-cycles > Subject: Re: AMA GN Flat Tracking > > I take that back..I was thinking it was this road > ... > .....this is all paved but some bumpy.. > when coming into Lovettsville from Pt. of Rocks, Md. > thru town a 7-11 is on the right, at that stop sign go across..I think > it's > called George's Rd... > It runs back to the mountain then goes left along it towards > Hillsboro...then > you turn right .on..I think 690 at this point.....and into Hillsboro on > Rt. > 9.... > ...Todd back track the road from hillsboro to get the right number > Craig wrote: > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 09:07:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08075; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23930 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04771 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z9URD-0004lU-00; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:07:35 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819DA@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:05:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain How OLD are those guys now? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 5:59 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Speaking of Ponch and Jon > > Speaking of Ponch and Jon, I just got my copy of the BMW RA > newsletter > which shows Eric Estrada and Larry Wilcox reprising their roles in a > new > made-for-TV "CHiPs" movie for TNT. Of course, this year they'll be > riding > BMW R1100RT-P. It's supposed to be on in October. > To quote BMW RA, "Given the quiet of the RTs, maybe this time the > boys > can REALLY talk while riding down the road two abreast." > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 09:26:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08167; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24265 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05184 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z9UjE-00074G-00; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:26:12 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819E0@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Now THIS is Riding! Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:24:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, just had to express my pleasure at the gorgeous morning rides in to work I've had the past two days. I'd almost forgotten about the sheer joy of riding in all this heat we've been having!! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 09:36:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08267; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24329 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05356 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:34:07 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:33:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdcc3f$287f9de0$2380e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819DA@BADGE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not sure, but Erik Estrada was (is) big in the mexican soap opera industry. Not sure about Larry Wilcox, whether he went behind the camera, or what. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > How OLD are those guys now? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 09:39:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08286; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24350 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (known smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05425 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:38:58 -0400 Sender: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with SMTP id JAA20038; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980820094128.00693f6c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com [149.174.177.146]) with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 13:38:23 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:41:28 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819DA@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:05 AM 8/20/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >How OLD are those guys now? I think they're getting up there. I haven't been following their careers too closely, but Eric's been hanging out on the "Psychic Friends Network." A few years ago, I thought I recognized Larry Wilcox in a battery commercial, and in a minor role at that! Although I hate to admit it, I used to watch the show back in the '80s during the cold Boston winters while my bike was in storage, just to watch some motorcycles on TV. Unfortunately, most of the motorcycle scenes were actually the two of them being towed on a trailer (note the lack of leaning in turns). Around the same time there was another series on briefly about a crimefighting motorcyclist on a heavily armed bike. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 10:01:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08499; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24962 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05847 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0z9VGh-0004ju-00; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:00:47 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819E5@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:58:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Embarrassing, but true, I, too, was in league with the legions of girls drooling over the two of them... too young to know any better, I guess! ; ) - Jeannette > Although I hate to admit it, I used to watch the show back in the > '80s > during the cold Boston winters while my bike was in storage, just to > watch > some motorcycles on TV. Unfortunately, most of the motorcycle scenes > were > actually the two of them being towed on a trailer (note the lack of > leaning > in turns). Around the same time there was another series on briefly > about > a crimefighting motorcyclist on a heavily armed bike. > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 10:35:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08856; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26825 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06607 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 359; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:34:04 -0400 Message-ID: <35DC33F5.EF186B2@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:34:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: <000f01bdcbe9$a2a235c0$2b80e2cf@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, because of the Harleys, it still wasn't Ponch and Jon. In the old TV show CHiPs, they rode on Kawasaki police bikes. I didn't realized it myself when I was a kid (I once worshipped that show, along with Dukes of Hazzard), but I caught a rerun on Nickelodeon once, and sure enough, they were riding Kaw's. Too bad about the BMW's though. (ducking and running) Horkster George Howell wrote: > > If they were Harleys, that wasn't ponch and john. The upcoming made for TNT > CHiPs movie will feature jon and ponch on BMW R1100RTPs. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 10:39:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08889; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26881 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06726 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Thu Aug 20 08:40 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA19449 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:39:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDCC1E.730B0870@XXXXXX>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Robbie Knevil Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:39:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone see Robbie Knevil's jump on the Guinness Book of WR on Tuesday? I am still trying to figure out why he would use a knobby tire when he needs maximum traction for the jump. Does anyone know? I understand it's a CR500, but couldn't they get a slick to fit that? John Carver 98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 10:43:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08960; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26949 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06788 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 191 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:42:20 -0400 Message-ID: <35DC35E5.3009C515@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:42:45 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Now THIS is Riding! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819E0@BADGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Wow, just had to express my pleasure at the gorgeous morning rides in to > work I've had the past two days. I'd almost forgotten about the sheer > joy of riding in all this heat we've been having!! > > - Jeannette Yeah, it's been great. This is the kind of weather where I actually *want* to wear my leather jacket. :) Think I'll go for a ride at lunch... Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 10:54:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09097; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27613 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07090 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:59:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Now THIS is Riding! Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:59:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Thursday, August 20, 1998 10:43 AM, Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: > Think I'll go for a ride at lunch... I've been wanting to go for a ride at lunch... and just keep going until dinnertime... tomorrow! Is this "Fall fever"? If so, I've got it *bad*!! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 10:56:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09125; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27651 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07161 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id KAA26991; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:53:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Dale Horstman cc: George Howell , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? In-Reply-To: <35DC33F5.EF186B2@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What's wrong with Dukes of Hazzard? It used to be a personal favorite. On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Actually, because of the Harleys, it still > wasn't Ponch and Jon. In the old TV show CHiPs, > they rode on Kawasaki police bikes. I didn't > realized it myself when I was a kid (I once > worshipped that show, along with Dukes of Hazzard), > but I caught a rerun on Nickelodeon once, and > sure enough, they were riding Kaw's. > > Too bad about the BMW's though. (ducking and running) > > Horkster > > George Howell wrote: > > > > If they were Harleys, that wasn't ponch and john. The upcoming made for TNT > > CHiPs movie will feature jon and ponch on BMW R1100RTPs. > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > -George Howell > > ghowell@XXXXXX > > georgehowell@XXXXXX > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 11:09:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09275; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28166 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07511 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA21234; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:11:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa21097; Thu, 20 Aug 98 11:10:49 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EXZ000SQU2NDX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256666.00531983 ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:07:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:05:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Robbie Knevil To: "Carver, John" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <85256666.0052DFD6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I saw it. What struck me as odd (and stupid for that matter) was the fact that he came up 50 feet short of the record and landed perfectly in the middle of the landing ramp. If he had broken the record, all he would have had to land on was the asphalt, since he would have completely cleared his landing ramp ... I'm not sure we got the whole story from Guiness on that one ... --chris To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: "Carver, John" Date: 08/20/98 01:39:37 PM GMT Subject: Robbie Knevil Did anyone see Robbie Knevil's jump on the Guinness Book of WR on Tuesday? I am still trying to figure out why he would use a knobby tire when he needs maximum traction for the jump. Does anyone know? I understand it's a CR500, but couldn't they get a slick to fit that? John Carver 98 VFR GO RIDE!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 11:11:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09299; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28326 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07591 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00218; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:12:34 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666F9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Morris Berman'" , Dale Horstman Cc: George Howell , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:12:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nothing as far as I'm concerned...that's how I learned how to drive!!!! My brother and I had a little two seater go cart, which after some minor modifications (including rigging the governor) would top out at 57 mph! We lived out in the country at a lake communnity where almost all the roads were granite gravel (a couple of sand roads...one of the few people who have managed to flip a wide base go cart that sits 4 inches off the ground). We used to raise hell out there, fishtailing everywhere! I still watch the Dukes of Hazard anytime I'm at someones place that has TNT... > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Berman [SMTP:mberman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 11:04 AM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: George Howell; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? > > What's wrong with Dukes of Hazzard? It used to be a personal favorite. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 11:13:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09326; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28597 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07654 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 15:13:04 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00893 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:13:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now THIS is riding! In-Reply-To: <35DC35E5.3009C515@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > > Wow, just had to express my pleasure at the gorgeous morning rides in to > > work I've had the past two days. I'd almost forgotten about the sheer > > joy of riding in all this heat we've been having!! > > > > - Jeannette > > Yeah, it's been great. This is the kind of weather > where I actually *want* to wear my leather jacket. :) > > Think I'll go for a ride at lunch... > > Horkster I just went this morning to the DMV to get my new plate, and so I can send the title to the loan company.. had to get it inspected by State Farm as well.. just an excuse to ride into work, really! :) I get to the DMV, nothing extraordinary.. on my way back to work, heading up 28N, and I see an overturned truck. Quite a grisly scene.. the whole cabin was crushed in.. it had clearly rolled over.. fluid was seeping out all over the street, and one of the two guys was stuck in the cab. His leg was crushed, and he was pinned in there. He was in pretty bad shape. His passenger was lying on the grass about 30 feet away, with some woman kneeling over him. I was considering whether I needed to stop as well (saw 5-6 people already stopped) and then I saw the woman about to move him. I stopped right away, and ran over to her.. she had stood him up by this point.. I told her to put him back down and let him lie there, or she was going to do him more harm than good. He was bleeding from a cut in his neck, but other than that, and a limp (he took a step or two) seemed to be more or less okay. And he was in shock too. One of the guys at the scene said that a car had cut him off.. and thats why he had wrecked. Quite disturbing. Some guy's leg is likely to be amputated, because some cager was in a hurry. So dont forget folks.. the whole point of this grisly tale: Its beautiful weather, I'm riding as much as you are, but be damn careful! The cagers are still as crazy as ever! And maybe, next time you are feeling agressive in rush hour, you should just realize that being careful will tack on 5 minutes to your commute, but will save your ass! Decide if your leg (or life) is worth that. I usually dont preach, but damn, scenes like that disturb me. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 12:28:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10426; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01736 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10203 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA13278; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <35DC4E9D.85DFFC07@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:28:13 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Now THIS is Riding! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819E0@BADGE> <35DC35E5.3009C515@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Wow, just had to express my pleasure Dale Horstman wrote: > Yeah, it's been great. I damn near froze this morning. I had on long underwear, but didn't plug the electric vest in. This isn't supposed to happen in August. It can only mean that worse weather is ahead. I gotta get my new windshield finished, it's too cold with this little sport bike thingy. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 12:51:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10789; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01977 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11008 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04514; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:52:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666FB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Now THIS is Riding! Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:52:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I agree with Leon...I went to let the dog out back this morning and I was like "Damn..when did winter get here!!!!" OK, so I'm a wus...I'll take the hot any day...I can NEVER get enough layers on to be warm enough in the winter... > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 12:35 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: DC Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Now THIS is Riding! > > > > I damn near froze this morning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 13:00:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11122; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02147 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.clark.net (known postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11731 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02225; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (mazda@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA24409; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: The Web Master To: Leon Begeman cc: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Now THIS is Riding! In-Reply-To: <35DC4E9D.85DFFC07@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I dunno, I rode from Olney to Columbia this morning with nothing but a leather vest over my long sleeve shirt, jeans, half-helmet, and sunglasses. It was chilly, but refreshing, like a York Peppermint Patty :-) /dt 98 Honda Shadow ACE 750 On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > Wow, just had to express my pleasure > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > Yeah, it's been great. > > I damn near froze this morning. I had on long underwear, but didn't > plug the electric vest in. This isn't supposed to happen in August. It > can only mean that worse weather is ahead. I gotta get my new > windshield finished, it's too cold with this little sport bike thingy. > > -- > Leon > Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 > Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 13:34:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11540; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03096 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12711 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 354; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:33:38 -0400 Message-ID: <35DC5E0A.FF687946@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:34:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Now THIS is Riding! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819E0@BADGE> <35DC35E5.3009C515@tidalwave.net> <35DC4E9D.85DFFC07@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > I damn near froze this morning. I had on long underwear, but didn't > plug the electric vest in. This isn't supposed to happen in August. It > can only mean that worse weather is ahead. I gotta get my new > windshield finished, it's too cold with this little sport bike thingy. -- Tsk, tsk. Leon, my friend, you are really gonna kick yourself for not buying a Concours when you had a chance. I put two halves of an english muffin on one side of the fairing, cup of coffee on the other side, and by the time I got to work, both were piping hot! (Ok, ok, slight exaggeration there, but you get my drift). Yeah, I *like* this weather. Bring on the snow, so I can ride in comfort. ;) Long underwear in August? Sheesh! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:00:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11833; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03500 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13533 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808201759.NAA13533@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A3AC82F014C; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:58:04 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:55:10 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? In-Reply-To: <35DB3705.67A701A3@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:35 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Interesting note: They tended to ride two >abreast in the lane when traveling together, >effectively limiting themselves to half a >lane to avoid potholes and/or tar snakes. >I thought they'd string out in the twisties >through Clifton, but they still rode two >abreast. Surprised me. Indeed. It's also illegal in Virginia! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:00:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11839; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03505 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13540 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808201759.NAA13540@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A3AF82F014C; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:58:07 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:01:35 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Robbie Knevil In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe he's as smart as his Dad. Chris Norloff At 09:39 AM 8/20/98 -0400, Carver, John wrote: >Did anyone see Robbie Knevil's jump on the Guinness Book of WR on >Tuesday? I am still trying to figure out why he would use a knobby >tire when he needs maximum traction for the jump. Does anyone know? > I understand it's a CR500, but couldn't they get a slick to fit >that? > >John Carver >98 VFR >GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:00:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11840; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03506 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13538 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808201759.NAA13538@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A3AE82F014C; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:58:06 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Speaking of Ponch and Jon In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980819175852.006adc7c@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In Maryland it's legal to ride side by side, but not to pass :-) In Virginia it's illegal to ever be beside another vehicle in one lane. Chris Norloff At 06:19 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Frank Artes wrote: >>From what I remember of the Maryland Motorcycle book.. you can ride two >bikes abrest. No more then two... as if you would.... I personaly do not >like limiting my options for avoiding that hunk of rubber, or the rusty >old muffler, or the DC pot hole... etc. > >-Frank > > >n >-- > falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE > >On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > >> Speaking of Ponch and Jon, I just got my copy of the BMW RA newsletter >> which shows Eric Estrada and Larry Wilcox reprising their roles in a new >> made-for-TV "CHiPs" movie for TNT. Of course, this year they'll be riding >> BMW R1100RT-P. It's supposed to be on in October. >> To quote BMW RA, "Given the quiet of the RTs, maybe this time the boys >> can REALLY talk while riding down the road two abreast." >> >> Harry >> Bethesda, MD >> '97 BMW R1100RT >> http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >> "The more you live, the less you die." >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:00:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11847; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03534 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13553 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15267 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808201759.NAA15267@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A3AD82F014C; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:58:05 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:56:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Maps and satellite pictures In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980819164021.00bf8230@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Very innovative. Chris Norloff At 04:40 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >its slow even WITH a high speed connection :-( > >At 04:15 PM 8/19/98 -0500, Bill Schmidt wrote: >>Here's a site I hadn't heard about before that seems like it could be >>handy for future use. >> >>(Best if you have a high speed connection.) >> >>http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ >> >> >> > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > The main reason Santa is so jolly is > because he knows where all the bad girls live. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:00:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11851; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03560 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brap-3.cais.net (known brap-3.cais.net [205.252.14.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13563 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic148.cais.com [207.226.56.148]) by brap-3.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA15365 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980820135925.0069fb38@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:25 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Robbie Knevil In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Would a knobby tire be lighter ??? if so, thats probably why. just my guess. OTH perhaps the knobby tires have better impact absorbtion? Mike B 98 ZX900R ANA (All Nippon Airways) At 09:39 AM 8/20/98 -0400, you wrote: >Did anyone see Robbie Knevil's jump on the Guinness Book of WR on >Tuesday? I am still trying to figure out why he would use a knobby >tire when he needs maximum traction for the jump. Does anyone know? > I understand it's a CR500, but couldn't they get a slick to fit >that? > >John Carver >98 VFR >GO RIDE!! > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:23:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12033; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03999 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davinci.hscribe.com (known [208.138.226.163] [208.138.226.163]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14308 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpetty.hscribe.com (URANIUM.hscribe.com [208.138.226.126]) by davinci.hscribe.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-29260U500) with SMTP id AAA209 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:16:32 -0400 X-Sender: mpetty@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mpetty@XXXXXX (Mark Petty) Subject: looking for a jacket Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: <19980820181632629.AAA209@mpetty.hscribe.com> To fit a big guy. I'm 6'1", 280lbs, and I have yet to find a jacket in stock at any of the stores I've browsed that'll fit me. I'd like to find something a better than fashion leather, I'd like it to be less than $200, and I'd like it to fit. Used, in good condition, would be fine. Anybody got any suggestions? Oh, ya, I prefer if it didn't have large bold graphic designs in day-glo colors, thank-you-very-much, but that's lower on the priority list. -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:32:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12180; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04148 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14562 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11504; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:33:21 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666FF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Mark Petty'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: looking for a jacket Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:33:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Try Coleen at Motorcycle Leather Exchange: MotorLE@XXXXXX www.leatherexchange.com (I think) > I'd like to find something a better than fashion leather, I'd like it to > be > less than $200, and I'd like it to fit. Used, in good condition, would be > fine. > > Anybody got any suggestions? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:36:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12234; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04205 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14693 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-07.dial.nova.org (ra1-07.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.167]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA04661; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:35:59 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:37:30 GMT Message-ID: <35e06c4d.72292869@beta.nova.org> References: <3.0.1.32.19980819175852.006adc7c@pop.mindspring.com> <199808201759.NAA13538@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> In-Reply-To: <199808201759.NAA13538@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:01 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >In Virginia it's illegal to ever be beside another vehicle in one lane. Not technically correct. While this has nothing to do with motorcycles I wanted to point out that it is legal for bicycles to be beside another vehicle in one lane. Yes, bicycles are considered vehicles in the vehicle code. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:40:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12255; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04266 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena.kia.net (known datatrac-dc.server.cais.net [205.161.105.91]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14759 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparcs2slow (sparcs2slow.eng.cais.net [205.177.4.5] (may be forged)) by athena.kia.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13168; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tine" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bdcc69$e938fb60$0504b1cd@sparcs2slow.cais.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199808201759.NAA13533@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It's not only illegal, it's automatic reckless driving. Take a pic and if you see them on the side of the road, ask for their ticket book and write them both up for reckless... I'm sure that can't be a good thing to have. Tine (Who's still bitter about getting stung his first time lane splitting up to a red light after having a VA license for 4 days. And also learned to ride in CA where it's perfectly legal. And... the VA manual just says you "shouldn't" do it.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 1:55 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? > > > At 04:35 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: > >Interesting note: They tended to ride two > >abreast in the lane when traveling together, > >effectively limiting themselves to half a > >lane to avoid potholes and/or tar snakes. > >I thought they'd string out in the twisties > >through Clifton, but they still rode two > >abreast. Surprised me. > > Indeed. It's also illegal in Virginia! > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:51:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12345; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04512 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15090 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 323; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:50:12 -0400 Message-ID: <35DC6FFC.2B752584@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:50:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Petty CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking for a jacket References: <19980820181632629.AAA209@mpetty.hscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Petty wrote: > > To fit a big guy. I'm 6'1", 280lbs, and I have yet to find a jacket in stock > at any of the stores I've browsed that'll fit me. > > I'd like to find something a better than fashion leather, I'd like it to be > less than $200, and I'd like it to fit. Used, in good condition, would be fine. > > Anybody got any suggestions? Try pawnshops. In addtition to the required stock of musical instruments, golf clubs, and assorted power tools, every pawn shop (without fail, it seems) seems to have at least one or two nice motorcycle-type jackets for us, ahem, larger types. You might even be able to haggle a bit on the price, if that's your cup of tea. Anyway, that's what I'd do, if I had the money (pity that I don't.) Good Luck. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:53:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12368; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04560 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15158 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA09842 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980820185226.NWM611@localHost> for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:52:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of Ponch and Jon X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980820185226.NWM611@localHost> On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:01 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >In Virginia it's illegal to ever be beside another vehicle in one lane. Not technically correct. While this has nothing to do with motorcycles I wanted to point out that it is legal for bicycles to be beside another vehicle in one lane. Yes, bicycles are considered vehicles in the vehicle code. Kirk For some reason I though it WAS legal for police motorcycles to ride in 'parade' fashion. This is why, in some cases, you see them doing it. btw, re:safety. No ones going to convince me that it is safe under any circumstance to ride in this fashion (though I've done it before), but If I were a cop, riding with another one on police bikes, I'd feel pretty safe. It's funny how 'law-abiding' people are when the man is in view. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 14:57:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12405; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04622 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15252 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:58:10 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247949@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: US Bombed who? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:55:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Not really motorcycle related.. but did we just put some crater marks in Afghanistan, Sudan? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 15:12:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12575; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04976 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15778 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 19:12:09 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14332 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: US Bombed who? In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247949@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Not really motorcycle related.. but did we just put some crater marks in > Afghanistan, Sudan? > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work Yah. Blew up the terrorist bases belonging to the folks that blew up the US embassies. Payback's a bitch, eh? About time people figured out we have more/bigger bombs than they do, so maybe they shouldn't mess with us for no reason? Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 15:41:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13009; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05415 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16706 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 343 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:41:07 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980820154106.00c1a100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:41:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Invisible Plates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For you privacy buffs out there, check out the product at the bottom of this page : http://www.the-spystore.com/security.html It is a clear spray for your license plates that makes the red light cameras not see the plates..... :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 16:19:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13542; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06657 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17959 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA11608; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Now THIS is Riding! In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9819E0@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am with you!! I kept feeling like there was something wrong the hole time. :) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Wow, just had to express my pleasure at the gorgeous morning rides in to > work I've had the past two days. I'd almost forgotten about the sheer > joy of riding in all this heat we've been having!! > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 16:20:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13560; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06750 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18004 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12889; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:19:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980820201940.BDIG611@localHost>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:19:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Michael Troutman" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Invisible Plates X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980820201940.BDIG611@localHost> Very cool! Now I can go back to blazing through red-lights! :) T Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980820154106.00c1a100@www.troutman.org> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:41:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Invisible Plates For you privacy buffs out there, check out the product at the bottom of this page : http://www.the-spystore.com/security.html It is a clear spray for your license plates that makes the red light cameras not see the plates..... :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 16:36:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13717; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07890 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18453 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA13898; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: US Bombed who? In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247949@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes we did... BBBBBBBOOOOOOM! Dont F**K with the USA! Now that said, can you say "Wag the Dog?" I knew you could! -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Not really motorcycle related.. but did we just put some crater marks in > Afghanistan, Sudan? > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 16:50:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13908; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08894 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18849 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:50:22 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WVORa04229 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:49:45 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: US Bombed who? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-20 15:16:47 EDT, you write: << Not really motorcycle related.. but did we just put some crater marks in Afghanistan, Sudan? >> Indeed we did. A Sudanese chemical plant was bombed (from planes) for suspicion of creating elements for VX gas. The Afghan site is a known "terrorist university" which most think the two embassy bombings originated from. It was hit with Tomahawk cruise missles. I guess we are trying to send a message to em huh? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 16:53:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13938; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09309 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18933 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA20775 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:53:49 -0400 Message-ID: <35DC8C96.77119CA0@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:52:38 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: <000a01bdcc69$e938fb60$0504b1cd@sparcs2slow.cais.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It doesn't work that way in Virginia. Only specific officers (defined in Section 19.2-81 of Virginia Code) may issue summons or arrest without a warrant. The proper procedure in Virginia to do what you state would be to ask the officer to write up the other officer for the violation. No third officer can issue the summons unless he witnessed the traffic violation. The scenario seems unlikely. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. Tine wrote: > > It's not only illegal, it's automatic reckless driving. Take a pic and if > you see them on the side of the road, ask for their ticket book and write > them both up for reckless... I'm sure that can't be a good thing to have. > > Tine > (Who's still bitter about getting stung his first time lane splitting up to > a red light after having a VA license for 4 days. And also learned to ride > in CA where it's perfectly legal. And... the VA manual just says you > "shouldn't" do it.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 17:16:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14175; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10627 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19526 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdcc7f$52572e40$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <35DC33F5.EF186B2@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 No, that's okay. I mean, if it was the KZ1000 or the HD's, they'd be broken down so often, they could never catch us:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Too bad about the BMW's though. (ducking and running) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 17:16:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14179; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10631 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19529 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:26 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Morris Berman" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdcc7f$533902c0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The fact that you can no longer purchase a '69 Dodge Charger in this country is what's wrong with the Dukes of Hazzard. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > What's wrong with Dukes of Hazzard? It used to be a personal favorite. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 17:16:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14185; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10637 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19537 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mark Petty" , Subject: RE: looking for a jacket Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bdcc7f$5528ebe0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19980820181632629.AAA209@mpetty.hscribe.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 No suggestions, but I'd be glad to go on a shopping trip with you. I fit those proportions (most of the time:) I have noticed that Morton's BMW occasionally has a few jackets that'll fit me. CPS sometimes. But never when I have any money. Given reluctance for local dealers to stock clothing for us 'bonus sized' guys, I'm half tempted to go mail-order. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > To fit a big guy. I'm 6'1", 280lbs, and I have yet to find a > jacket in stock > at any of the stores I've browsed that'll fit me. > > I'd like to find something a better than fashion leather, I'd > like it to be > less than $200, and I'd like it to fit. Used, in good condition, > would be fine. > > Anybody got any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 17:16:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14183; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10636 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19533 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Leon Begeman'" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Now THIS is Riding! Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:07 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdcc7f$54133620$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11666FB@MSCEX> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Speak for yourself. As children, my brother and I had to fight with our mother. She always wanted to layer us up for playing outside. Problem was, we'd get soaked from sweat. Went skiing in Vermont a few years ago (when we had those horrible ice and snow storms here in January, we were skiing) Arrived, temp was about 3 degrees F. Felt wonderful. Really wakes you up. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > OK, so I'm a wus...I'll take the hot any day...I can NEVER get > enough layers > on to be warm enough in the winter... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 17:16:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14192; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10646 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19542 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:31 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:13:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdcc7f$560198a0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19980820185226.NWM611@localHost> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 No, I have a feeling that the reason cops break the law is because they are ABOVE the law. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > For some reason I though it WAS legal for police motorcycles to > ride in 'parade' fashion. This is why, in some cases, you see > them doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 17:18:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14213; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10676 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19589 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTNHa04521 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e5b2aa4.35dc9259@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:17:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Now THIS is Riding! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Ugh. With my 6PM-6AM work shift this week, I haven't noticed the weather much!! My bike had a hard time starting this morning because of a reaaaallly thick dew that had settled on it. Guess I'll pack the cover for work tonight! Happy and safe riding!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 17:21:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14241; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10820 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19694 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BYJTa07259; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <65aca11b.35dc9310@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:20:14 EDT To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: US Bombed who? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I understand that US "Special Forces" (the report was not detailed) have struck several locations in Afghanistan. Too cool. I hope they get the bastards! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 18:27:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15014; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11598 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21621 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-177.s177.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.177]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06616; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DCA288.D574A5CB@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:26:16 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Morris Berman , Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: <000301bdcc7f$533902c0$1e80e2cf@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can we get an Amen, brother!!!! George Howell wrote: > > The fact that you can no longer purchase a '69 Dodge Charger in this country > is what's wrong with the Dukes of Hazzard. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 18:35:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15260; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12096 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22200 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:35:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFWTa22588 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e4e5424.35dca492@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:34:57 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch, etc - cops ticketing cops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-08-20 17:01:13 EDT, you write: << Only specific officers (defined in Section 19.2-81 of Virginia Code) may issue summons or arrest without a warrant. The proper procedure in Virginia to do what you state would be to ask the officer to write up the other officer for the violation. >> GOOD LUCK!! We all that will never happen. From what I can see cops are tighter than a nun's....err........well you get the point. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 19:53:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16029; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13566 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f109.hotmail.com [207.82.250.228]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23558 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12900 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1998 23:52:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19980820235220.12899.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.30.111.90 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:52:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.30.111.90] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:52:20 PDT I should have posted this question earlier. (Since I'm leaving on Friday) I'm on my way to Cincinnati OH tomorrow and I wanted opinions on taking RT. 50 all the way through WV into OH. Hopefully someone is online tonight that can give an opinion. Thanks. --John Carver] 98 VFR GO RIDE!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 21:13:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16576; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14673 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24642 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Radix (dialin35.annex5.radix.net [209.48.227.70]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA14729; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980821011340.00682cd0@pop.radix.net> X-Sender: jterry@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:13:40 -0400 To: mpetty@XXXXXX (Mark Petty) From: Jim Terry Subject: Re: looking for a jacket Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've had good luck with mail order from the Sears leather catalog. I'm a big guy and my favorite is a jacket with zip open vents front and rear and a thinsulate liner. They have a wide range of prices and sizes. Jim '95 Intruder 800 At 02:16 PM 8/20/98 -0400, you wrote: >To fit a big guy. I'm 6'1", 280lbs, and I have yet to find a jacket in stock >at any of the stores I've browsed that'll fit me. > >I'd like to find something a better than fashion leather, I'd like it to be >less than $200, and I'd like it to fit. Used, in good condition, would be fine. > >Anybody got any suggestions? > >Oh, ya, I prefer if it didn't have large bold graphic designs in day-glo >colors, thank-you-very-much, but that's lower on the priority list. > >-Mark > > > Don't believe everything you think. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 21:58:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16850; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15285 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25335 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([128.126.170.54]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 165; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:57:21 -0400 Message-ID: <35DCD4C8.2E904DB4@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:00:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vfr 800 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! References: <19980820235220.12899.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit vfr 800 wrote: > > I should have posted this question earlier. (Since I'm leaving on > Friday) I'm on my way to Cincinnati OH tomorrow and I wanted opinions > on taking RT. 50 all the way through WV into OH. Hopefully someone is > online tonight that can give an opinion. Thanks. John, Funny you should ask. I was looking at a map earlier tonight, and I was surprised to see that Rt 50 does indeed go all the way across WVA into Ohio. Seems like it might be a fun way to get from A to B, I might try it someday. Let me know how it turns out. Happy Riding! Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 22:15:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16955; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15437 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25515 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09036; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808210216.WAA09036@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! To: vfr800@XXXXXX (vfr 800) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980820235220.12899.qmail@hotmail.com> from "vfr 800" at Aug 20, 98 04:52:20 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:52:20 PDT > > I should have posted this question earlier. (Since I'm leaving on > Friday) I'm on my way to Cincinnati OH tomorrow and I wanted opinions > on taking RT. 50 all the way through WV into OH. Hopefully someone is > online tonight that can give an opinion. Thanks. Great route. I took it through WV coming from Cleveland. Enjoy ! > > --John Carver] > 98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 22:20:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16969; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15485 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25604 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09072; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808210222.WAA09072@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! To: Horkster@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: vfr800@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35DCD4C8.2E904DB4@tidalwave.net> from "Dale Horstman" at Aug 20, 98 10:00:40 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > online tonight that can give an opinion. Thanks. > > John, > > Funny you should ask. I was looking at a map earlier > tonight, and I was surprised to see that Rt 50 does > indeed go all the way across WVA into Ohio. Seems > like it might be a fun way to get from A to B, I might > try it someday. > > Let me know how it turns out. Happy Riding! > When I was bringing my old FJ from Cleveland, I took side roads through Ohio to hit 50 as fast as I can. Then 50 all the way east. Fun to ride. There are some parts with nice twisties, and rest of the road is nice to fast, scenic road. Great for a 2-3 days trip... > Horkster > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 22:48:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17132; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15646 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26020 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr23-dialup24.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EY000EGBQFNOO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:47:49 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:45:07 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Pocono To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002601bdccc6$db458840$984837a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 For all of you that are venturing out to Pocono next weekend, check out Formula USA's updated page on the race weekend. http://www.formulausa.com/news/pocono.htm Sounds like it's gonna be another great one. Gary Rothwell stunt show Sat. and Sun. at noon, 200+mph run down the front straight by a Bimota SB6, dyno hp shootout(which I should win ;-P ), a trials bike demonstration(crazy), Nick Ienatsch(former Sport Rider editor), will conduct a riding seminar on Sunday and will do a walk of the track with the fans on Saturday evening, bike show sponsored by 2wf.com, and of course great racing. Oh, btw, is everyone ready for the "squid" I mean parade lap? The "site seeing" isn't too shabby either, if you know what I mean. 8^) Everyone that wants to meet at my house(near Baltimore) Sat. morning, let me know. I'll e-mail everyone directions privately. I don't know what time everybody wants to leave or when they want to arrive at Pocono. I guess we have a week to figure things out. Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 22:53:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17168; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15684 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26095 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-37kbm4q.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.216.154]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA26605; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980820225154.006c39cc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:51:54 -0400 To: "George Howell" , "Morris Berman" , "Dale Horstman" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Cc: "DC Cycles List" In-Reply-To: <000301bdcc7f$533902c0$1e80e2cf@demon> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amen!!!!!!! -Tom a.k.a. Dr. Mopar At 05:13 PM 8/20/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >The fact that you can no longer purchase a '69 Dodge Charger in this country >is what's wrong with the Dukes of Hazzard. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >> What's wrong with Dukes of Hazzard? It used to be a personal favorite. >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 20 23:49:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17478; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15932 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26974 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:46:59 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "vfr 800" , Subject: RE: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:46:43 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01bdccb6$50229600$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19980820235220.12899.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It's a great trip. Did it a few weeks ago on the Wing on my way out to Marysville. Three things: Watch out for gravel. Watch out for descending radius turns. Stop for gas often. You'll be running in a lower gear at higher rpms. Won't get as far on a tank, and gas stations can be a long haul from one to the next. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 01:31:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19015; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17993 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28396 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA07539; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:27:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:24:21 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Canadian Bike TV -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, JOE NAGY wrote: > Harley built a shaftie in 1941 for the Army as a Rommel chaser. Model > 42XA-Solo. BMW copy right down to the horizontally-opposed twin. Only > 1000 made. By the time they were built, the Germans had been chased out > of the Sahara. Harley had one too?I remember Indian had a shaftie with the motor across the frame Guzzi-style,but I didn't know Harley built one. The only Army Harley I can remember is the WLA. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 01:45:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19130; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18089 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28516 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA07597; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:41:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:27:17 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Canadian Bike TV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <98Aug18.111041edt.26882@virginia.dsava.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Chris Hamlett wrote: > > What weakness? The Dyna chassis is the Harley "I'm > > most likely to own someday" if that ever happens. > > Now you tell me there's a weakness! Augh! > One thing you can read that talks about the problem with the Dyna chassis is > Motorcycle Online's review of the Carlini Torque Arm, a chunk of chrome and > aluminum designed to fix it. I don't know if the new harleys with the new > motor have the same problem. The weakness in the Dyna chassis is the way the engine is mounted in the frame.The Dyna chassis was designed so the engine/primary/tranny could be assembled as a unit and put in the frame as one piece(you had to put them in seperately with the older FXR's).This created two probs.First,the engine and tranny were connected on the left side by the primary,but there was nothing on the right side.So if you pumped any kind of decent hp out of the motor,it would create twisting forces that would crack the inner part of the primary.The second prob was the rear rubber mount for the tranny was attached directly to the swingarm,which in effect caused the swingarm to be semi-rubbermounted.By using the torque arm,you added a brace to the right side of the powerplant,and this fixed both probs.It works so well that Harley actually sells them under their Screaming Eagle label. The new Twin Cam motor mounts the tranny directly to the back of the engine block.Provided both the engine and tranny cases have been strengthened enough,this should prevent all the previous probs. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 01:49:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19177; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18123 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28544 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA07617; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:46:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:42:00 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Buying Riding Apparel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4f06f0b.35dab4ca@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I already have an idea of what I want > (Hein Gericke "Boost" jacket), but I'm not sure where to find it. I don't think HG makes the Boost stuff anymore.I was looking at getting a pair of the Boost pants last fall and couldn't find them anywhere.I remember talking to Art Crow about them and I think he said that they didn't sell very well. I wound up getting a pair of Joe Rocket leather jeans.They zip all the way up the sides for easy on/off,they have pockets/look just like regular jeans,and the price was decent. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 01:53:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19200; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18164 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28552 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA07627; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:49:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:46:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980820094128.00693f6c@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Although I hate to admit it, I used to watch the show back in the '80s Hey!I still watch it now.TNT has it on @0800/0900. What I really love is the fact that I can't recall ever seeing them draw their guns.Compare this to the latest episodes of 'LAPD' or 'COPS'. > Around the same time there was another series on briefly about > a crimefighting motorcyclist on a heavily armed bike. Streethawk.Wot do I win? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 02:53:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20268; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA18515 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29858 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA08549; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:49:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:42:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Being Helpful To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, While poking around the sites that've been listed the past couple days,I found a couple links that might be helpful to some of you all. I remember Todd was talking about maybe putting radials on his Nighthawk. Found the site for Michelin(http://michelinDB.pcy.mci.net:8085/mch/owa/ w2selector.html) that has a search engine to find tires for your bike. They had both bias-ply and radials for the newer Nighthawks.They only had bias-plies for Glenn's V30,though. And for you V4 folks,Hindle(http://www.hindle.com/) has 4-into-1 systems for Honda V4's. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 07:09:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23118; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21623 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02707 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01208 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:08:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Michael Troutman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Invisible Plates Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:08:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) That's even better then the piece of plastic I have over my (cage) license plate now. From a side view the plate cannot be seen. Glenn > For you privacy buffs out there, check out the product > at the bottom of this page : > > http://www.the-spystore.com/security.html > > It is a clear spray for your license plates that makes > the red light cameras not see the plates..... :-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 07:22:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23175; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21679 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02796 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA20457 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:21:58 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:21:58 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:24:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain John, if you haven't left yet, here is a route that I'll personally vouch for (not the fgastest, but nice). US 50 West to WV 42 (before Mt. Storm) WV 42 to WV 38 @ Elk Garden WV 38 to WV 135 WV 135 to WV 39 @ Oakland WV 39 to WV 7 @ Terra Alta WV 7 to WV/OH State line @ New Martinsville Cross river, take right and pick up OH536 OH 536 is worth the trip by itself - sign at other end warns of steep gradients & sharp turns - more like a paved rollercoaster - lots of 2nd gear and the bottom of 3rd OH 536 to OH 78 OH 78 to OH 37 @ Malta OH 37 to US 22 east of Lancaster (this is where I split off - was going to Columbus) US 22 to Cincinatti Pretty good roads - deserted, for the most part From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 07:51:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23318; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21822 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03056 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02946 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Trailer Rails... was RE: looking for a jacket Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:50:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Speaking of the Sears catalog can one of you people that have on of these look and see if Sears still sells motorcycle trailer rails? I bought mine from them about 8 years ago and want to replace mine. The ones I have are just too narrow to fit a modern bike tire. My next option is to have a welder make me some. Glenn > I've had good luck with mail order from the Sears leather catalog. I'm a > big guy and my favorite is a jacket with zip open vents front and rear and > a > thinsulate liner. They have a wide range of prices and sizes. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 08:19:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23441; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22043 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03553 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808211219.IAA03553@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A54A3F30128; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:17:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:50:38 -0400 To: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35e06c4d.72292869@beta.nova.org> References: <199808201759.NAA13538@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> <3.0.1.32.19980819175852.006adc7c@XXXXXX> <199808201759.NAA13538@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Chris Norloff wrote: >>In Virginia it's illegal to ever be beside another vehicle in one lane. > >Not technically correct. While this has nothing to do with motorcycles >I wanted to point out that it is legal for bicycles to be beside >another vehicle in one lane. Yes, bicycles are considered vehicles in >the vehicle code. >Kirk Good point, thanks. I was thinking only of motor vehicles. Chris Norloff from http://leg1.state.va.us/ =A7 46.2-857=20 Driving two abreast in a single lane=20 A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives any motor vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to be abreast of another vehicle in a lane designed for one vehicle, or drives any motor vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to travel abreast of any other vehicle traveling in a lane designed for one vehicle. However, this section shall not apply to any validly authorized parade, motorcade, or motorcycle escort, nor shall it apply to a motor vehicle traveling in the same lane of traffic as a bicycle or moped.=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 08:26:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23478; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22102 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03662 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA06766 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:27:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35DD6747.A42514CB@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:25:43 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: <000301bdcc7f$533902c0$1e80e2cf@demon> <35DCA288.D574A5CB@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Can we get an Amen, brother!!!! > > George Howell wrote: > > The fact that you can no longer purchase a '69 Dodge Charger in this country > > is what's wrong with the Dukes of Hazzard. Twenty years ago, I had a Firebird, and I listened to a bunch of folks complain about how hard it was to work on a car with all that pollution stuff on it, and how it just wasn't as easy to hop up as the cars from the 60's. Now I have a son with an '88 Firebird. If anything, it has better performance than mine did, it's easier to hop up, and after comparing his wages to what I was making, it's cheaper. I was never much for Mopar, but the Dodge Charger is a rather good looking car. Not as nice as the '72 Chevelle, but still nice. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. Ninja 600 - it won't be a Ninja when it's rideable. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:02:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23692; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23044 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04345 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22939; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: US Bombed who? In-Reply-To: <65aca11b.35dc9310@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is about time we remind people we have sharp teeth. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I understand that US "Special Forces" (the report was not detailed) have > struck several locations in Afghanistan. Too cool. I hope they get the > bastards! > > Robert VanSlyke > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:10:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23743; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23108 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04453 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA18286; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:09:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821130932.CXZH611@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:09:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "vfr 800" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821130932.CXZH611@localHost> Do it! I did it the opposite way on my home from my trip out west this year. You will see cars occasionally, but no biggie. I took us250 to us50 east. Both are great fun, all the way across WV Todd Message-ID: <19980820235220.12899.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:52:20 PDT I should have posted this question earlier. (Since I'm leaving on Friday) I'm on my way to Cincinnati OH tomorrow and I wanted opinions on taking RT. 50 all the way through WV into OH. Hopefully someone is online tonight that can give an opinion. Thanks. --John Carver] 98 VFR GO RIDE!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:14:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23775; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23191 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04538 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 171; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:13:48 -0400 Message-ID: <35DD72AE.D961741C@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:14:22 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: <000301bdcc7f$533902c0$1e80e2cf@demon> <35DCA288.D574A5CB@geocities.com> <35DD6747.A42514CB@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > I was never much for Mopar, but the Dodge Charger is a rather good > looking car. Not as nice as the '72 Chevelle, but still nice. Ack, snort, cough, cough! Ahem. Sorry about that. I sort of have to choke back the bile whenever a Chevelle is mentioned. I never saw the attraction of those cars, never thought they were good looking. The term butt ugly springs to mind, actually. :) A '69 Camaro (Firebird?) is the finest looking car that has ever been made, IMNSHO. But I can't stand the more recent Camaros/Fbird body styles. Go figure. And I like the Charger they used on the DoH. But they are all still cages. Yech! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:19:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23803; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23276 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04693 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 315; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35DD73EB.DED22A65@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Artes CC: NJitzul@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: US Bombed who? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert VanSlyke wrote: > > I understand that US "Special Forces" (the report was not detailed) > > have struck several locations in Afghanistan. Too cool. I hope they > > get the bastards! And Frank Artes responded: > It is about time we remind people we have sharp teeth. I just hope to God that we "reminded" the right people. And that this wasn't just an attempt to "wag the dog" by our esteemed President to remove some focus on all his (self-wrought) problems. I find myself not believing a damned thing BillyJeff says anymore. Not that I ever did, really. Apologies for the non-moto content. Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:20:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23808; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23302 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04706 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06631 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: US Bombed who? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) As Howard said this morning... "This is all about getting your mind away from the Lewinski thing". Although I still like it that they bombed those scumbags. Glenn > It is about time we remind people we have sharp teeth. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:27:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23910; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23408 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04891 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:24:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:27:14 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying Riding Apparel -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hope I'm not starting to sound like a shill for this company, but I've had good experience with them so . . . Dennis Kirk offers the H-G Boost Jacket and Pants in their '98 catalog. Give 'em a call at 800-328-9280. E-mail www.denniskirk.com Joe '85 Ninja, etc. >>> "Gil M. Nissley" - 8/18/98 11:30 PM >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I already have an idea of what I want > (Hein Gericke "Boost" jacket), but I'm not sure where to find it. I don't think HG makes the Boost stuff anymore.I was looking at getting a pair of the Boost pants last fall and couldn't find them anywhere.I remember talking to Art Crow about them and I think he said that they didn't sell very well. I wound up getting a pair of Joe Rocket leather jeans.They zip all the way up the sides for easy on/off,they have pockets/look just like regular jeans,and the price was decent. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:44:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24005; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23591 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05265 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07788 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Buying Riding Apparel -Reply Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Blasphemer, you buy mail order!! Put that hand out here so we can smack it. :-) Speaking of such I know others (such as Collin) have had terrible luck ordering from MAW (http://www.accwhse.com/default.htm). I've had nothing but good service the 10 years or so that I have been buying from them. Glenn > Hope I'm not starting to sound like a shill for this company, but I've > had good experience with them so . . . Dennis Kirk offers the H-G Boost > Jacket and Pants in their '98 catalog. Give 'em a call at 800-328-9280. > E-mail www.denniskirk.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:48:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24055; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23914 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05363 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:45:33 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:48:27 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Don't get tooo cocky . . . Don't know about the motor cops 'round here, but I met one in Arizona from AHP who was very highly skilled and capable of some absolutely hair-raising stuff on two wheels. Asked him about his apparent fearlessness, his comment was, "I'm not fearless, but this is babyshit compared to a shootout with Mexican drug runners." Joe >>> "George Howell" - 8/20/98 5:13 PM >>> No, that's okay. I mean, if it was the KZ1000 or the HD's, they'd be broken down so often, they could never catch us:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Too bad about the BMW's though. (ducking and running) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:52:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24100; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24120 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05485 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA17190; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:51:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821135129.CEXR618@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:51:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821135129.CEXR618@localHost> >Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> I was never much for Mopar, but the Dodge Charger is a rather good >> looking car. Not as nice as the '72 Chevelle, but still nice. > >Ack, snort, cough, cough! Ahem. Sorry about that. >I sort of have to choke back the bile whenever a Chevelle >is mentioned. I never saw the attraction of those cars, >never thought they were good looking. The term butt ugly >springs to mind, actually. :) > >A '69 Camaro (Firebird?) is the finest looking car that has ever been >made, IMNSHO. Now you're talking. Owned a '68 Camaro for a couple years. Sweet machine! T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:53:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24110; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24135 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05493 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:50:46 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Leon Begeman" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:50:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdcd0a$a5f66f80$2180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <35DD72AE.D961741C@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nothing really to add. Just felt this bore repeating. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Ack, snort, cough, cough! Ahem. Sorry about that. > I sort of have to choke back the bile whenever a Chevelle > is mentioned. I never saw the attraction of those cars, > never thought they were good looking. The term butt ugly > springs to mind, actually. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 09:57:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24133; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24247 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05568 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 387; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:56:24 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980821095556.012eec40@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:56:24 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , Leon Begeman From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Cc: DC Cycles List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Ack, snort, cough, cough! Ahem. Sorry about that. >I sort of have to choke back the bile whenever a Chevelle >is mentioned. I never saw the attraction of those cars, >never thought they were good looking. The term butt ugly >springs to mind, actually. :) I have fond memories of the 69 Chevelle. Just after High School a friend and I rode cross country in one with a 454 we rebuilt. I thought it was kind of ugly at first, but it has an attitude that kind of grows on you :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:05:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24281; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24437 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05754 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08741 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:02:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:04:56 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: US Bombed who? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Y'know, those Tomahawks are just gonna sit around gettin' stale if yuh don't use 'em ever' now 'n' again . Joe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:05:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24291; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24449 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05779 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08821 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id KAA11921 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256667.004D5E13 ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256667.004CDA53.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:24 -0400 Subject: Re: US Bombed Who? haha & bike sold! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Am I the only one who thinks it's totally ridiculous that "lewinsky" is now a household word? Whats next? That big "sczrywynniecz" affair? ;-) Polish at heart, -Doug "Bring on the halushki, pierogies, and kolbasi...and someone switch the TV to channel 4 so we can watch the Stillers!" P.S. - I just sold my bike! Looks like I'm gonna be the bikeless lurker on the list until I can afford a new Triumph Legend or Thunderbird! I've already told the new owner (already took MSF course) about this list and he's excited about going for a ride with you folks! To: "'DC Cycles'" cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: US Bombed who? As Howard said this morning... "This is all about getting your mind away from the Lewinski thing". Although I still like it that they bombed those scumbags. Glenn > It is about time we remind people we have sharp teeth. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:16:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24420; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25077 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06001 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15946 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29600 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808211415.KAA29600@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:14:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: RE: US Bombed who? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:19 AM 8/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >As Howard said this morning... "This is all about getting your mind away >from the Lewinski thing". > Look at it this way... if he hadn't done anything, people would be saying that he was distracted by the Lewinski thing, that it had cripled his ability to function, etc etc. Basically, Clinton's damned either way. So, what the heck... write a big check, field test 50 tomahawk missles, make some headlines. All I hope is that this is the end of it, that the terrorists don't retaliate. Somehow, I'd not be surprised if more things get blown up in the next few weeks. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:17:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24432; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25114 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06031 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA03719 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? In-Reply-To: <19980821135129.CEXR618@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > >A '69 Camaro (Firebird?) is the finest looking car that has ever been > >made, IMNSHO. > > Now you're talking. Owned a '68 Camaro for a couple years. Sweet > machine! I don't know how we ended up on cars... but he said 69 Camaro, NOT 68 (or 67, for that matter). I wouldn't mind at all having a factory style restoration 69 Camaro. It's too bad they only made that body style one year. Of course, lots of good things came out of 1969, I think most of them were influenced by my birth early in the year... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:22:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24470; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25278 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06146 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09406 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA10024 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:23:04 -0400 Message-ID: <35DD827B.772BC18@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:21:47 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Invisible Plates References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question first. If this thing protects you from a photo by enhancing the reflectivity of the plate, what does that do for laser or radar? Wouldn't it enhance the tracking ability of those items? Leon. Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > That's even better then the piece of plastic I have over my (cage) license > plate now. From a side view the plate cannot be seen. > > Glenn > > > For you privacy buffs out there, check out the product > > at the bottom of this page : > > > > http://www.the-spystore.com/security.html > > > > It is a clear spray for your license plates that makes > > the red light cameras not see the plates..... :-) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:25:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24499; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25326 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06202 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09619 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:24:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Spark Plugs Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:24:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I noticed a while back one of the mail order places was selling standard NGK plugs for $0.79. Anyone know who this is or who has the best price on plugs? I usually keep about 16 to 20 on hand so I'd prefer to get a good deal on them. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:31:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24562; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25436 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06353 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09852 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id KAA15795 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256667.004FB5DF ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:30:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256667.004FA36C.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:31:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Invisible Plates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Protection from laser and radar devices is probably available from a different spray, which they'll gladly sell you for another $50 ;-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: "'DC Cycles'" cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Invisible Plates A question first. If this thing protects you from a photo by enhancing the reflectivity of the plate, what does that do for laser or radar? Wouldn't it enhance the tracking ability of those items? Leon. Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > That's even better then the piece of plastic I have over my (cage) license > plate now. From a side view the plate cannot be seen. > > Glenn > > > For you privacy buffs out there, check out the product > > at the bottom of this page : > > > > http://www.the-spystore.com/security.html > > > > It is a clear spray for your license plates that makes > > the red light cameras not see the plates..... :-) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:35:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24692; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25548 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06457 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id HAA06648 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:35:06 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:35:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: US Bombed who? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:37:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Basically, Clinton's damned either way. What's your point?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:36:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24741; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25586 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06532 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10267 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 417; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:35:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980821103552.00b67350@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:35:54 -0400 To: Leon Begeman , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Invisible Plates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >If this thing protects you from a photo by enhancing the reflectivity of >the plate, what does that do for laser or radar? Wouldn't it enhance >the tracking ability of those items? Radar - no, laser yes. This stuff would be perfect for the radar cameras in Germany. No cops on the Autobahn, just cameras at the town perimiter and a 1/4 mile notice of speed change impending....... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:38:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24764; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25652 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06604 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05815; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:38:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Dan Brown cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: US Bombed who? In-Reply-To: <199808211415.KAA29600@zydeco.CSS.GOV> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NUKE EM! Then have a press conference and have billy boy say, "See size does matter.." GRIN! -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Dan Brown wrote: > At 09:19 AM 8/21/98 -0400, you wrote: > >As Howard said this morning... "This is all about getting your mind away > >from the Lewinski thing". > > > > > Look at it this way... if he hadn't done anything, people would be saying > that he was distracted by the Lewinski thing, that it had cripled his > ability to function, etc etc. > > Basically, Clinton's damned either way. > > So, what the heck... write a big check, field test 50 tomahawk missles, > make some headlines. All I hope is that this is the end of it, that the > terrorists don't retaliate. Somehow, I'd not be surprised if more things > get blown up in the next few weeks. > > > > > > > > -- > The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the > conspiracy is working. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:40:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24775; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25693 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06657 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10298 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:39:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Invisible Plates Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:39:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Don't know what it does for radar or laser. I just don't use a front tag (except on my daily driver)! Seriously, even though its a law to have one I think they look ugly as hell and I have yet to get a ticket for not having one. Anyhow, in every case that I have seen the photo cameras, they take a picture of the rear of the vehicle and not the front. Glenn > If this thing protects you from a photo by enhancing the reflectivity of > the plate, what does that do for laser or radar? Wouldn't it enhance > the tracking ability of those items? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:43:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24795; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25768 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06733 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16748 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00903 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808211442.KAA00903@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:41:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: RE: US Bombed who? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:37 AM 8/21/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Basically, Clinton's damned either way. > >What's your point?? > That listening to Howard is a waste of time? -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:50:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24834; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25951 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06917 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10805 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA22766; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:49:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821144950.CUEI618@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:49:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Spark Plugs X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821144950.CUEI618@localHost> I think that was JC Whitney... T Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Spark Plugs Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:24:11 -0400 I noticed a while back one of the mail order places was selling standard NGK plugs for $0.79. Anyone know who this is or who has the best price on plugs? I usually keep about 16 to 20 on hand so I'd prefer to get a good deal on them. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 10:51:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24839; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25962 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06921 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA17692; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:49:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821144945.CUDT618@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:49:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821144945.CUDT618@localHost> >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: >> >A '69 Camaro (Firebird?) is the finest looking car that has ever been >> >made, IMNSHO. >> >> Now you're talking. Owned a '68 Camaro for a couple years. Sweet >> machine! Kirk Roy wrote: >I don't know how we ended up on cars... but he said 69 Camaro, NOT 68 (or >67, for that matter). I know what he said Kirk, Duhh! I owned a '68 Camaro for a couple years. Sweet machine! IMO, the 67/68's were nicer looking. The '69 flattened out too much, and the '70s just killed the styling altogether. The '69 was a bat-outta-hell from factory until the safetycrats convinced the legislative body for such issues that it was 'too powerful' and a big polluter to boot. I believe GM got around this by selling the Header, and manifold kit and putting it in the trunk. All said though, you could hop up any of these beasts just about anyway you wanted, so who cares if the factory sold it that way or not. I'd love to own another '68. I'd definitely restore it to factory spec. as opposed to pipes/gearing/tubbing/wheels/motor/etc. modifications. I like the hopped up look and all that power, but I'd rather have the original....and a convertible. Like dreaming about winning the lottery. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:00:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24939; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26245 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07152 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA05522; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:05:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: Todd Peer cc: Dale Horstman , Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? In-Reply-To: <19980821135129.CEXR618@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > >Leon Begeman wrote: > >> > >> I was never much for Mopar, but the Dodge Charger is a rather good > >> looking car. Not as nice as the '72 Chevelle, but still nice. > > > >Ack, snort, cough, cough! Ahem. Sorry about that. > >I sort of have to choke back the bile whenever a Chevelle > >is mentioned. I never saw the attraction of those cars, > >never thought they were good looking. The term butt ugly > >springs to mind, actually. :) > > > >A '69 Camaro (Firebird?) is the finest looking car that has ever been > >made, IMNSHO. > > > Now you're talking. Owned a '68 Camaro for a couple years. Sweet > machine! > > T Well let's see... I owned a '69 Charger (lovely olive green rather than orange), a '74 Charger (my first car) and a '71 Charger R/T. That last one had a built 440 Magnum, 4.10 rear, pistol-grip 4-speed... I though it was really fast until I got my first motorcycle. :-) Oh, and I also had a '72 Plymouth Satellite and a '60 Dodge Dart Pioneer. Just in case you weren't sure where my automobile affinities lie. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750 (for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:01:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25042; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26269 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07178 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 272; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:01:10 -0400 Message-ID: <35DD8BD8.5FCA799E@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:01:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > I don't know how we ended up on cars... but he said 69 Camaro, NOT 68 (or > 67, for that matter). I wouldn't mind at all having a factory style > restoration 69 Camaro. It's too bad they only made that body style one > year. Actually, I thought the 68 and 69 body styles were similar. I could be mistaken, though. > Of course, lots of good things came out of 1969, I think most of them were > influenced by my birth early in the year... > I, too, am partial to 1969, as I blessed the world with my presence on January 31st of that year. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:07:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25103; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26351 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07301 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id IAA03834 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:07:32 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:07:32 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: US Bombed who? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:09:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Other than fleeting entertainment value, I agree -----Original Message----- From: Dan Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 10:41 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: US Bombed who? At 07:37 AM 8/21/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Basically, Clinton's damned either way. > >What's your point?? > That listening to Howard is a waste of time? -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:08:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25126; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26364 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07312 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11657 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:07:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sorry guys, I had to jump in on this one. Some of these cars may look nice and go fast in a straight line but that's it. They brake, handle or do anything else well. Glenn > >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > >> >A '69 Camaro (Firebird?) is the finest looking car that has ever been > >> >made, IMNSHO. > >> > >> Now you're talking. Owned a '68 Camaro for a couple years. Sweet > >> machine! > > Kirk Roy wrote: > >I don't know how we ended up on cars... but he said 69 Camaro, NOT 68 (or > >67, for that matter). > > I know what he said Kirk, Duhh! I owned a '68 Camaro for a couple > years. Sweet machine! > > IMO, the 67/68's were nicer looking. The '69 flattened out too > much, and the '70s just killed the styling altogether. The '69 > was a bat-outta-hell from factory until the safetycrats convinced > the legislative body for such issues that it was 'too powerful' > and a big polluter to boot. I believe GM got around this by selling > the Header, and manifold kit and putting it in the trunk. > > All said though, you could hop up any of these beasts just about > anyway you wanted, so who cares if the factory sold it that way or > not. > > I'd love to own another '68. I'd definitely restore it to factory > spec. as opposed to pipes/gearing/tubbing/wheels/motor/etc. > modifications. > I like the hopped up look and all that power, but I'd rather have > the original....and a convertible. Like dreaming about winning > the lottery. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:14:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25183; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26499 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07473 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07408; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:15:33 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B116670E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:15:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 11:10 AM > To: Kirk Roy > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? > > Actually, I thought the 68 and 69 body styles were similar. > I could be mistaken, though. > > 67-69 were all three very similar but there are a lot fo differences too. The 70 1/2 was sorta neat too, but you don't see too many of them. I wouldn't mind any of em, but since we're dreaming here I'd like a 69 Z-28 with the original Chevy 302 in it! (but I'd still rather have a dodge/mopar) > > Of course, lots of good things came out of 1969, I think most of them > were > > influenced by my birth early in the year... > > > > I, too, am partial to 1969, as I blessed the world with my > presence on January 31st of that year. :) > > Damn..youz guyz are old farts ;-) Collin (ducking and runing...1972...now Brian can call me an old fart) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:15:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25202; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26524 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07521 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 15:15:38 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12013 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, Last weekend was a fiasco. I sent out email, no one replied, and then after the fact, some folks talked about the nice rides they had. Phooey! Whats on this weekend? I'm open both saturday/sunday mornings, and I'm itching to take my new ride for a nice long trip. Is anyone going anywhere? I have a few friends who'd like to come riding as well, so expect 3-4 people from my camp.. So whats the word? Any races? Rides? With this gorgeous weather we've been having, I'm going to go postal if I dont get out this weekend! Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:21:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25253; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26716 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07718 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (mike@XXXXXX [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12250 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 76; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:20:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980821112046.00c026e0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:20:47 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Muscle Cars (was CHiPs) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thats all they were designed for :-) At 11:07 AM 8/21/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Sorry guys, I had to jump in on this one. Some of these cars may look nice >and go fast in a straight line but that's it. They brake, handle or do >anything else well. > >Glenn > > > >> >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: >> >> >A '69 Camaro (Firebird?) is the finest looking car that has ever been >> >> >made, IMNSHO. >> >> >> >> Now you're talking. Owned a '68 Camaro for a couple years. Sweet >> >> machine! >> >> Kirk Roy wrote: >> >I don't know how we ended up on cars... but he said 69 Camaro, NOT 68 (or >> >67, for that matter). >> >> I know what he said Kirk, Duhh! I owned a '68 Camaro for a couple >> years. Sweet machine! >> >> IMO, the 67/68's were nicer looking. The '69 flattened out too >> much, and the '70s just killed the styling altogether. The '69 >> was a bat-outta-hell from factory until the safetycrats convinced >> the legislative body for such issues that it was 'too powerful' >> and a big polluter to boot. I believe GM got around this by selling >> the Header, and manifold kit and putting it in the trunk. >> >> All said though, you could hop up any of these beasts just about >> anyway you wanted, so who cares if the factory sold it that way or >> not. >> >> I'd love to own another '68. I'd definitely restore it to factory >> spec. as opposed to pipes/gearing/tubbing/wheels/motor/etc. >> modifications. >> I like the hopped up look and all that power, but I'd rather have >> the original....and a convertible. Like dreaming about winning >> the lottery. >> >> Todd > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:25:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25290; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26809 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07868 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08021; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B116670F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Alex Milenkovic'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:26:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Racing action out at Summit Point all next weekned, including tune and test action on Friday. I'll be competing in at least three, maybe four events through the weekend myself. Two other listers will be making their racing debut: Joe Nagy and Jay St. Peter. Brian McCoy will be there cornerworking as may be Todd Peer and John Kozyn. And I'm sure a few other listers will be there spectating. Advnce tickets at local bike shops will save you two bucks at the gate. The camping is great, friendship is better. My pit and cooler is always open and welcome Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Milenkovic [SMTP:alexm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 11:21 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! > > > So whats the word? Any races? Rides? With this gorgeous weather > we've been having, I'm going to go postal if I dont get out > this weekend! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:26:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25308; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26842 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07888 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:22:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:13:09 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: mberman@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? -Reply "What's wrong with Dukes of Hazard? It used to be a personal favorite." Anyone see the "Dukes of Hazard Reunion" on channel 9 about six months ago? The Duke boys haven't aged very well. (Neither has Daisy.) But, the car still looks good. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:30:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25406; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26900 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08062 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12386; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:30:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Alex Milenkovic cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think three of us are going on a poker run this Sunday... still waiting for confermations. You are welcome to come... it is up in Fredric MD I think... I have the details at home.... email me if you are interested and I will send the info I have. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Alex Milenkovic wrote: > > Well, > > Last weekend was a fiasco. I sent out email, no one replied, and > then after the fact, some folks talked about the nice rides they > had. Phooey! Whats on this weekend? I'm open both saturday/sunday > mornings, and I'm itching to take my new ride for a nice long > trip. Is anyone going anywhere? I have a few friends who'd like > to come riding as well, so expect 3-4 people from my camp.. > > So whats the word? Any races? Rides? With this gorgeous weather > we've been having, I'm going to go postal if I dont get out > this weekend! > > Alex. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:33:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25442; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26945 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08176 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12752 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-37kbm5a.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.216.170]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA31838; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821113124.006c3cb0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:31:24 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't know about the rest of you, but I pray to the Holy Mother of Acceleration!! -Tom At 11:07 AM 8/21/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Sorry guys, I had to jump in on this one. Some of these cars may look nice >and go fast in a straight line but that's it. They brake, handle or do >anything else well. > >Glenn > > > >> >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: >> >> >A '69 Camaro (Firebird?) is the finest looking car that has ever been >> >> >made, IMNSHO. >> >> >> >> Now you're talking. Owned a '68 Camaro for a couple years. Sweet >> >> machine! >> >> Kirk Roy wrote: >> >I don't know how we ended up on cars... but he said 69 Camaro, NOT 68 (or >> >67, for that matter). >> >> I know what he said Kirk, Duhh! I owned a '68 Camaro for a couple >> years. Sweet machine! >> >> IMO, the 67/68's were nicer looking. The '69 flattened out too >> much, and the '70s just killed the styling altogether. The '69 >> was a bat-outta-hell from factory until the safetycrats convinced >> the legislative body for such issues that it was 'too powerful' >> and a big polluter to boot. I believe GM got around this by selling >> the Header, and manifold kit and putting it in the trunk. >> >> All said though, you could hop up any of these beasts just about >> anyway you wanted, so who cares if the factory sold it that way or >> not. >> >> I'd love to own another '68. I'd definitely restore it to factory >> spec. as opposed to pipes/gearing/tubbing/wheels/motor/etc. >> modifications. >> I like the hopped up look and all that power, but I'd rather have >> the original....and a convertible. Like dreaming about winning >> the lottery. >> >> Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:34:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25452; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26968 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08206 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-37kbm5a.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.216.170]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08254; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821112949.006c3cb0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:29:49 -0400 To: "Brian E. Ewell" , Todd Peer From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Cc: Dale Horstman , Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: References: <19980821135129.CEXR618@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've owned a '68, '69, '70, and a '71 Charger... all big blocks. Also owned a '69 Coronet Super Bee with a 440... 2 four's, 13.5:1 compression, nitrous... never came across a faster bike on the street than that car. Still wish I had it. -Tom At 11:05 AM 8/21/98 -0400, Brian E. Ewell wrote: > Well let's see... I owned a '69 Charger (lovely olive green rather > than orange), a '74 Charger (my first car) and a '71 Charger R/T. > That last one had a built 440 Magnum, 4.10 rear, pistol-grip > 4-speed... I though it was really fast until I got my first > motorcycle. :-) > > Oh, and I also had a '72 Plymouth Satellite and a '60 Dodge Dart > Pioneer. Just in case you weren't sure where my automobile > affinities lie. > > Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750 (for sale!) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:53:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25630; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27333 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08696 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:53:33 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIPQa13456 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10c8cefb.35dd97cb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:52:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Buying riding Apparel Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I've done some comparing among Hein Gericke apparel and found the Summit Jacket to be a better jacket than the Boost. The Boost is quite a bit bulkier and stiffer. According to Art Crow, who introduced me to the Summit, the Boost hasn't sold well. I just bought the Summit Jacket and highly recommend it! I tried on a Boost jacket recently and was surprised that it felt heavier than leather!! And the sticker shock to boot!!! The Summit was reasonably priced at Riders Accessory Warehouse and is a much better jacket. Nuff Said. Time to go riding!!! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 11:55:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25643; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27604 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08747 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256667.005765F4 ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:54:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: alexm@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256667.005746BD.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:54:34 -0400 Subject: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi Alex. Todd Peer, Myself and one or two others have made plans to do a 5 or 6 hour ride on Saturday which will culminate at the Hagerstown Race Track at about 6:00 pm for an evening of Grand National Flat Track racing. The races will last until about 10:00 or 11:00 after which we will slab it back home. Entry fee for the races is about $20. You, your friends and anyone else are welcome to tag along with us if you like. I just need to confirm with Todd about the meeting time and place. I'll get back to you and let you know the particulars. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 12:06:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25810; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28500 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09141 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA20329; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821160500.EPON611@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:05:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Alex Milenkovic CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA GN Flat Tracking Was: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821160500.EPON611@localHost> Alex Milenkovic wrote: >Last weekend was a fiasco. I sent out email, no one replied, and >then after the fact, some folks talked about the nice rides they >had. Phooey! Whats on this weekend? I'm open both saturday/sunday >mornings, and I'm itching to take my new ride for a nice long >trip. Is anyone going anywhere? I have a few friends who'd like >to come riding as well, so expect 3-4 people from my camp.. > >So whats the word? Any races? Rides? With this gorgeous weather >we've been having, I'm going to go postal if I dont get out >this weekend! If you want to ride with us Saturday, we're starting from Point of Rocks Commuter Train parking lot. Be there by 11AM. Point of Rocks is on us15 just over the bridge from Va. I did the best I could to list alternate routing in case we find any dirt roads, but I think I have a pretty damned good run for tommorrow. Acknowledged Attendees (so far): Steve Beck Tom Gimer Todd Peer Sean Sullivan Chris Meier (?) If anyone wants to ride with me to Point of Rocks, let me know and we can determine an earlier meeting place. I'm in Springfield, VA. At the end of the ride in Hyutt, MD we'll stay for the AMA Grand National Dirt track races. Way cool if you've never seen them. Bring money ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 12:11:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25854; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28877 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09246 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:16:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Frank Artes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:16:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Friday, August 21, 1998 11:30 AM, Frank Artes [SMTP:falcor@XXXXXX] wrote: > I think three of us are going on a poker run this Sunday... still waiting > for confermations. You are welcome to come... it is up in Fredric MD I > think... I have the details at home.... email me if you are interested and > I will send the info I have. Frank, Ursulina and I are still on for the Poker Run Sunday. Do you know where the starting point is? Well enough to give directions? :-) The signup starts at 10:00 am, and I think we'll get there sometime between 10:00 and 10:30 am. Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 12:19:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25901; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28985 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09398 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14198 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:20:30 -0400 Message-ID: <35DD9DFB.5CDA23CE@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:19:07 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do like Dan Quayle, he's got good ideas. >From LD-Riders: > > Dan Quayle is calling for Clinton's resignation for THREE reasons: > > Perjury AND Obstruction of justice. > -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 12:28:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25953; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29224 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09611 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id MAA03941 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256667.005A6FA1 ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:27:48 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256667.005A66AE.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, too bad my 5 y/o nephew has more on the ball than Quayle ;-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] I do like Dan Quayle, he's got good ideas. >From LD-Riders: > > Dan Quayle is calling for Clinton's resignation for THREE reasons: > > Perjury AND Obstruction of justice. > -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 12:28:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25957; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29250 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09628 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247951@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:27:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" And you can see/sit on my 'moped' too.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 11:26 AM To: 'Alex Milenkovic'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! Racing action out at Summit Point all next weekned, including tune and test action on Friday. I'll be competing in at least three, maybe four events through the weekend myself. Two other listers will be making their racing debut: Joe Nagy and Jay St. Peter. Brian McCoy will be there cornerworking as may be Todd Peer and John Kozyn. And I'm sure a few other listers will be there spectating. Advnce tickets at local bike shops will save you two bucks at the gate. The camping is great, friendship is better. My pit and cooler is always open and welcome Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Milenkovic [SMTP:alexm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 11:21 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rides this weekend.. Trying again! > > > So whats the word? Any races? Rides? With this gorgeous weather > we've been having, I'm going to go postal if I dont get out > this weekend! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 12:35:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26057; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29759 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09886 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15523 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14630; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:36:33 -0400 Message-ID: <35DDA1BF.FB840D05@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:35:11 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Sorry guys, I had to jump in on this one. Some of these cars may look nice > and go fast in a straight line but that's it. They brake, handle or do > anything else well. Compared to what most of you ride, they aren't very fast in a straight line either. . . They do keep one warm on these cold August mornings though. What the heck ever happened to global warming? I could sure use some. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 13:02:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26281; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00444 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10691 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16796 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:01:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: muscle boats... was RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterda y? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:01:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) How did you "hook up" with street tires? I have yet to see any street car come close to hanging with *any* 1 liter bike that was ridden by someone who knows how to ride. And lets compare HP to weight ratio, unless you're pushing some serious HP (like more then 600) you're just not going to keep up with a bike. And this assumes you can put all that to the ground. Glenn > I've owned a '68, '69, '70, and a '71 Charger... all big blocks. Also > owned a '69 Coronet Super Bee with a 440... 2 four's, 13.5:1 compression, > nitrous... never came across a faster bike on the street than that car. > Still wish I had it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 13:02:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26283; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00440 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10681 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 279; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:01:46 -0400 Message-ID: <35DDA81D.30F55A0A@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:02:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B116670E@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I, too, am partial to 1969, as I blessed the world with my > > presence on January 31st of that year. :) > > > > > Damn..youz guyz are old farts ;-) > > Collin > (ducking and runing...1972...now Brian can call me an old fart) Wow. 29 years, 6 months, 21 days, and I have now for the very first time ever been called an 'old fart'. You folks saw it here first. I was getting tired of being considered a young puppy. Heh, heh, now I have arrived. ;-) Wait till I tell the wife. She's 30. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 13:06:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26384; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00508 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10884 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 255; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:05:58 -0400 Message-ID: <35DDA919.F0F51CF3@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:06:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > You've got me by a few days (Feb 3). Old man! > > Kirk Heh, see my other post. An old fart and an old man in the same day. It's nice to finally get some respect from you young'uns! :-) Now, where are my reading glasses? Ooops, right here on my nose! Go figure. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 13:50:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27548; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02361 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12238 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA27365; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:49:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] In-Reply-To: <85256667.005A66AE.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hmmm you mean it isn't "patatoe?" and have taken Latin in school won't help at the "Latin National Congress?" I pray the Republicans find a better candidate. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Yeah, too bad my 5 y/o nephew has more on the ball than Quayle ;-) > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > To: dc-cycles > cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] > > > > > I do like Dan Quayle, he's got good ideas. > > >From LD-Riders: > > > > Dan Quayle is calling for Clinton's resignation for THREE reasons: > > > > Perjury AND Obstruction of justice. > > > -- > Leon > Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 > Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 13:58:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27595; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02521 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12411 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id KAA04052 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:57:57 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:57:57 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:00:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sometimes I think that the only thing keeping Clinton in office is the fact that Quayle is next in line. If Quayle is assassinated, watch out! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:12:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27802; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03012 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12882 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 309; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:12:08 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980821141206.00ba4100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:12:08 -0400 To: Frank Artes , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" GO BUSH GO! Its too bad we dont have any rock solid Republicans to throw into the next election, except of course Bush. Like father like son? Hope not. At 01:49 PM 8/21/98 -0400, Frank Artes wrote: >hmmm you mean it isn't "patatoe?" and have taken Latin in school won't >help at the "Latin National Congress?" I pray the Republicans find a >better candidate. > >-Frank > > >n >-- > falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE > >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Yeah, too bad my 5 y/o nephew has more on the ball than Quayle ;-) >> >> -Doug >> douglas_brashear@XXXXXX >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: dc-cycles >> cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) >> Subject: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] >> >> >> >> >> I do like Dan Quayle, he's got good ideas. >> >> >From LD-Riders: >> > >> > Dan Quayle is calling for Clinton's resignation for THREE reasons: >> > >> > Perjury AND Obstruction of justice. >> > >> -- >> Leon >> Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 >> Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. >> >> >> >> > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:17:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27861; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03453 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13048 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:17:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id OAA16839 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256667.00647611 ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:17:18 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256667.00642D08.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:17:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=knqZ2w66k1JLztZ6hnEdA6AROC9uOUSxSSdVbLFIozMTiATNeErZZii9" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=knqZ2w66k1JLztZ6hnEdA6AROC9uOUSxSSdVbLFIozMTiATNeErZZii9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline G2K for me! Thats "Gore 2000!" to the acronym-challenged ;-) Personally I'd vote for slick-willy for a third term...my stocks have gone way way up since he's been in office. Of course, he may not be directly or even indirectly responsible...and maybe Barry wasn't directly or indirectly responsible for DC going to hell-in-a-handbasket either, but its quite a coincidence, eh? -Doug (Embedded image moved "Michael Troutman" to file: 08/21/98 02:12 PM pic01056.pcx) To: Frank Artes , Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] GO BUSH GO! Its too bad we dont have any rock solid Republicans to throw into the next election, except of course Bush. Like father like son? Hope not. At 01:49 PM 8/21/98 -0400, Frank Artes wrote: >hmmm you mean it isn't "patatoe?" and have taken Latin in school won't >help at the "Latin National Congress?" I pray the Republicans find a >better candidate. > >-Frank > > >n >-- > falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. 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Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03844 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13185 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA06877; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:26:45 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006733; Fri, 21 Aug 98 14:25:57 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EY100I5DXRWWW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256667.0064F6C8 ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:22:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:22:00 -0400 Subject: RE: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] To: "Jordan, Michael" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256667.0064E171.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hmm, I thought it went to Gore, then Gingrich ... Which is why they never let Bill and Al travel together. :-) Besides, I think Weld is next for the GOP (if they can get their platform straightened out) ... Bennett has no chance, Kemp blew it with Dole, and Quayle is still a few elections away. Course, there is always Ms. Whittman as well. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Jordan, Michael" Date: 08/21/98 06:00:14 PM GMT Subject: RE: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] Sometimes I think that the only thing keeping Clinton in office is the fact that Quayle is next in line. If Quayle is assassinated, watch out! Michael J. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:27:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27987; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03948 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13285 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAIAa17154 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5dbd7d3c.35ddbbcf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:26:22 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-21 13:06:20 EDT, you write: << How did you "hook up" with street tires? I have yet to see any street car come close to hanging with *any* 1 liter bike that was ridden by someone who knows how to ride. >> Dont you remember that Car and Driver article where they ran a Viper GTS vs a YZF1000? They claimed that not only could the Viper stick with the bike, but it clocked faster lap times as well!! Of course Im sure the YZF must have needed a carb sync, valve adjustment, oil change, and something better than the 89 octane gas from Hess they probably ran in it. A Viper is a fast car but cars just cant corner like a bike can. Thats not even thinking about the differences in straight line speed. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:35:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28081; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04187 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13631 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id LAA00381 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:35:37 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:35:37 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: living in the past Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:35:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Did I say Quayle? I meant Gore... :-P Sincerest apologies to those who feel they need one Michael (starting to lose it, folks) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:41:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28136; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04290 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13754 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA11286; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:40:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Jordan, Michael" cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: living in the past In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Memory is the 2nd, right? :-) On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Jordan, Michael wrote: > Did I say Quayle? > > I meant Gore... :-P > > Sincerest apologies to those who feel they need one > > > Michael (starting to lose it, folks) J. > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:42:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28143; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04318 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13796 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA09452; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821184120.FWSG611@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:41:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821184120.FWSG611@localHost> >G2K for me! Thats "Gore 2000!" to the acronym-challenged ;-) Personally >I'd vote for slick-willy for a third term...my stocks have gone way way up >since he's been in office. Of course, he may not be directly or even >indirectly responsible...and maybe Barry wasn't directly or indirectly >responsible for DC going to hell-in-a-handbasket either, but its quite a >coincidence, eh? > >-Doug Ignorance truly must be bliss. I'm sure there are many factors, aside from the most directly related (the businesses themselves), that have something to do with stock market swings. Lame duck Beer Crinton ain't, and never has been one of them. Unless you're talking about Whitewater. Hrrmmm....moto content. As far as I know, Beer doesn't ride one. Of course if Honda were to introduce the 'Intern 750', or Yamaha came out with the 'UseMe 1100' he'd be a loyalist. I for one will praise the powers that be when the schmuck is OUT! Todd (feeling a wee-opinionated just now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:46:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28207; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04457 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13944 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA18101; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:47:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35DDC06A.6A8B6E5D@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:46:02 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] References: <85256667.00642D08.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also think Slick Willie should have a third term. However, let's not count our chickens before they hatch. As good as it looks, Ken Starr hasn't got Slick into the pokey for his first or second term yet. Leon. Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > G2K for me! Thats "Gore 2000!" to the acronym-challenged ;-) Personally > I'd vote for slick-willy for a third term...my stocks have gone way way up > since he's been in office. Of course, he may not be directly or even > indirectly responsible...and maybe Barry wasn't directly or indirectly > responsible for DC going to hell-in-a-handbasket either, but its quite a > coincidence, eh? > > -Doug > > >> > Dan Quayle is calling for Clinton's resignation for THREE reasons: > >> > > >> > Perjury AND Obstruction of justice. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:49:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28245; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04512 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14040 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 18:49:49 UT Received: from slauth.res.sprintlink.net (slauth.res.sprintlink.net [199.0.235.39]) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23534 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by slauth.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14897 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:49:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE In-Reply-To: <5dbd7d3c.35ddbbcf@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > but cars just cant corner like a bike can. > > Jack Right. They corner faster. If you look at identical tracks for both motorcycles and fast race cars, and you look at the times, the cars always lap faster than the bikes do. Simple physics, really, and nowhere near as fun, but thats just a reality of life. 4 wheels = more traction/grip/cornering ability than 2 wheels. I think this is why the Dodge won.. it was slower in the straights and roll ons.. but out cornered the YZF. When they had a 0-100-0 shootout, between the ZX-9, 911Turbo/Dodge/Corvette/(several other cars) they fairly had the ZX-9 kicking all the car's asses. So I dont think theyre biased - just ran into a limiting factor of bikes. Cornering. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:54:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28318; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04624 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14165 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:55:14 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247954@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:53:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sorry guys, but it's appearing to be a not-so-common fact that cars can make their way around a road course faster than a bike.. something about faster corner speeds because of greater traction/stabilty. Now ovbiously I'm not talking about your average mommy van or viper.. something light, nimble and with a little power (rx7, miata, even a worked neon has done it). Straight line with all street parts? My money's on the bike... -----Original Message----- In a message dated 98-08-21 13:06:20 EDT, you write: << How did you "hook up" with street tires? I have yet to see any street car come close to hanging with *any* 1 liter bike that was ridden by someone who knows how to ride. >> Dont you remember that Car and Driver article where they ran a Viper GTS vs a YZF1000? They claimed that not only could the Viper stick with the bike, but it clocked faster lap times as well!! Of course Im sure the YZF must have needed a carb sync, valve adjustment, oil change, and something better than the 89 octane gas from Hess they probably ran in it. A Viper is a fast car but cars just cant corner like a bike can. Thats not even thinking about the differences in straight line speed. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:56:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28352; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04675 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14243 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA21245; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:56:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821185613.GAYP611@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:56:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: "Jordan, Michael" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821185613.GAYP611@localHost> Hmm, I thought it went to Gore, then Gingrich ... Which is why they never let Bill and Al travel together. :-) LOL...good one. Besides, I think Weld is next for the GOP (if they can get their platform straightened out) ... Bennett has no chance, Kemp blew it with Dole, and Quayle is still a few elections away. Course, there is always Ms. Whittman as well. Not subscribing to the Demopublican/Republicrat non-think, I find myself (not grudgingly) agreeing with this last mention of Ms. Whittman. Governor of NJ, she kept almost if not ALL her campaign promises to win the vote, and she doesn't resemble the typical conservative Republicrat. Christine Todd Whittman is a woman of principal and would almost assuredly get my die-hard libertarian vote. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 14:59:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28394; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04806 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14366 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id LAA04708 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:59:22 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:59:22 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:01:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >When they had a 0-100-0 shootout, As I recall the CBR900RR that they had for the test did 0-100-0 before any of the cars (except one) did the 0-100 part. Car was either the 427 AC Cobra or the Viper - not sure which. Even then, the quickest car only reached 100 .1 second before the scooter made it back down to 0. This is with a very good rider (kids, don't try this at home). But, as you say, cornering is another matter. But it's LOTS more fun on a bike :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:01:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28430; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04975 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14489 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id MAA05150 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:01:27 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:01:27 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: living in the past Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:03:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Memory is the 2nd, right? :-) Absolutely, Morris! But I forget what the first thing is. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:01:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28435; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04983 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14497 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18051; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:02:37 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1166715@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Michael Troutman'" , Frank Artes , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:02:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I doubt it'll ever happen, but I think the OTHER Dole would make a hell of a pres.... Elizabeth that is... I'm not to into politics, but I saw a few of her appearances for her hubby and know of some of her past accomplishments. If any woman was to get elected, it would be her. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 2:21 PM > To: Frank Artes; Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] > > GO BUSH GO! Its too bad we dont have any rock solid Republicans to throw > into the next election, except of course Bush. Like father like son? > Hope > not. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:03:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28468; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05064 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14613 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA15501; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821190210.GDGA611@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:02:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821190210.GDGA611@localHost> I also think Slick Willie should have a third term. However, let's not count our chickens before they hatch. As good as it looks, Ken Starr hasn't got Slick into the pokey for his first or second term yet. Leon. Well, I'm shocked. I supposed Leon was an even die-harder libertarian than me. And now, this? :( T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:04:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28479; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05089 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14631 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id MAA05600 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:03:54 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:03:54 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:06:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Sorry guys, but it's appearing to be a not-so-common fact that cars >can make their way around a road course faster than a bike Not sure what the delta at Summit Point is - something on the order of 10 seconds per lap difference between the bike and car records. This is significant given the length of the course. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28499; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05138 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14656 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18179; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:05:46 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1166716@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:05:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually Jack, Cars CAN and DO corner faster than bikes... Properly set up ones that is. Cars can take much more lateral acceleration than a bike does. Simple physics. Granted, after the test was done, the car had no tires left (they had them shaved as well) adn the brakes literally melted away, while the bike showed no appreciable wear.... > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 2:34 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE > > A Viper is a fast car > but cars just cant corner like a bike can. Thats not even thinking about > the > differences in straight line speed. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:06:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28542; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05194 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14739 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:06:45 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247955@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:04:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I thought the 911 turbo beat the bike.. -----Original Message----- When they had a 0-100-0 shootout, between the ZX-9, 911Turbo/Dodge/Corvette/(several other cars) they fairly had the ZX-9 kicking all the car's asses. So I dont think theyre biased - just ran into a limiting factor of bikes. Cornering. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:15:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28655; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05776 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21751 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256667.0069AC19 ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:14:13 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256667.006917BC.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:14:11 -0400 Subject: RE: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Car was either the 427 AC Cobra or the Viper - not sure which. Even then, the quickest car only reached 100 .1 second before the scooter made it back down to 0. I have a magazine article from the mid eighty's where they did the same 0-100-0 shootout with a V-max against a 427 Cobra. As I recall the Cobra couldn't even come close to what the bike could do. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:33:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28820; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06238 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15569 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23745 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lciq3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.67]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26255; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821153140.006a90cc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:31:40 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: muscle boats... was RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I usually sprayed it out of the whole and hung on for dear life... tires a blazin'. When she did hook though she would easily get the left front wheel about 2.5 feet off the ground with the right about 1.5 feet. Can we say LOTS OF TORQUE!!! I raced cars and bikes and only lost once with the Bee and that was to a Nova with a bigger motor and a bigger bottle... I got suckered. The car went easy low 10's in the 130's when I had it and could still get it's over size ass around a corner pretty quickly, too. The guy that I sold it to is now running(and I just got this yesterday when I went by his place) 5.90's in the eighth with the motor that I built... all he did was work on the suspension. -Tom At 01:01 PM 8/21/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >How did you "hook up" with street tires? I have yet to see any street car >come close to hanging with *any* 1 liter bike that was ridden by someone who >knows how to ride. And lets compare HP to weight ratio, unless you're >pushing some serious HP (like more then 600) you're just not going to keep >up with a bike. And this assumes you can put all that to the ground. > >Glenn > > >> I've owned a '68, '69, '70, and a '71 Charger... all big blocks. Also >> owned a '69 Coronet Super Bee with a 440... 2 four's, 13.5:1 compression, >> nitrous... never came across a faster bike on the street than that car. >> Still wish I had it. >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 15:39:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28937; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06312 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15848 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lciq3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.67]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17024; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821153812.006a3a4c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:38:12 -0400 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE In-Reply-To: <5dbd7d3c.35ddbbcf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've run my Trans Am against liter bikes on the highway complete with twisty roads exceptional riders. I was always on the brakes trying not to run them over!!! And I have quite a few witnesses to back me up on this one. The T/A wasn't all that stock but it was emissions legal and safe not to mention extremely comfortable... oh.. and since I was doing about a buck-65 I had the windows up and the A/C cranked up to boot! I love bikes but American performance cars are my passion. -Tom At 02:26 PM 8/21/98 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >Dont you remember that Car and Driver article where they ran a Viper GTS vs a >YZF1000? They claimed that not only could the Viper stick with the bike, but >it clocked faster lap times as well!! Of course Im sure the YZF must have >needed a carb sync, valve adjustment, oil change, and something better than >the 89 octane gas from Hess they probably ran in it. A Viper is a fast car >but cars just cant corner like a bike can. Thats not even thinking about the >differences in straight line speed. > >Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 16:20:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29753; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07634 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17575 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:19:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FIHBa29473; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:19:06 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a recent comparison test between Max Biaggi on his GP Honda and Schumacher in his Ferrari F-300 Formula 1 car the car won every possible comparison except in acceleration between 0 and 130 Km/ph at the start. This was using electronic data collection equipment in an Italian bike magazine. I think that Max Biaggi and his bike would out perform most cars. Formula 1 Ferraris are not average cars. Ciao, From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 16:22:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29844; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07675 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17769 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA06373; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980821202058.FUOL618@localHost>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:20:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980821202058.FUOL618@localHost> >I've run my Trans Am against liter bikes on the highway complete with >twisty roads exceptional riders. I was always on the brakes trying not to >run them over!!! And I have quite a few witnesses to back me up on this >one. The T/A wasn't all that stock but it was emissions legal and safe not >to mention extremely comfortable... oh.. and since I was doing about a >buck-65 I had the windows up and the A/C cranked up to boot! > >I love bikes but American performance cars are my passion. > >-Tom Will your witnesses testify that your TA stayed on your side of the road? I've seen cars try to go fast on twisty roads and I don't want to be anywhere near them....all over the place! Cars, being physically heavier and more massive need a lot more room to move around in such conditions. Though I don't doubt cars can beat motorcycles on a track of twisties, I can't see how on the street using just your lane. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 16:36:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00332; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08058 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18792 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:36:27 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWWVa17154 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:34:27 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-21 16:21:49 EDT, you write: << Will your witnesses testify that your TA stayed on your side of the road? I've seen cars try to go fast on twisty roads and I don't want to be anywhere near them....all over the place! Cars, being physically heavier and more massive need a lot more room to move around in such conditions. Though I don't doubt cars can beat motorcycles on a track of twisties, I can't see how on the street using just your lane. >> Yeah and dont forget about how big HP car's rear ends slide all over the place under acceleration. That is where I think a bike has the advantage on twisties over a pimped out car. A bike can lean over and continuously accelerate out of a corner (with a good setup of course) while many rear wheel drive cars find their rear end sliding out. The exit speed plus the pure acceleration power of a bike (0-60 in 2.8?) would give the bike the lead enough to win a race. At least IMHO. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 16:44:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00490; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08621 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19115 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:41:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:44:11 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Well Hey, cars put more rubber on the road and can corner faster. They still lean the wrong damn way in turns. Joe >>> Todd Peer - 8/21/98 4:20 PM >>> >I've run my Trans Am against liter bikes on the highway complete with >twisty roads exceptional riders. I was always on the brakes trying not to >run them over!!! And I have quite a few witnesses to back me up on this >one. The T/A wasn't all that stock but it was emissions legal and safe not >to mention extremely comfortable... oh.. and since I was doing about a >buck-65 I had the windows up and the A/C cranked up to boot! > >I love bikes but American performance cars are my passion. > >-Tom Will your witnesses testify that your TA stayed on your side of the road? I've seen cars try to go fast on twisty roads and I don't want to be anywhere near them....all over the place! Cars, being physically heavier and more massive need a lot more room to move around in such conditions. Though I don't doubt cars can beat motorcycles on a track of twisties, I can't see how on the street using just your lane. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 16:58:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00620; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09288 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19403 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WOUKa19317 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:57:19 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Friday evening rides....anyone riding out there tonight? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Just curious. Anyone want to get a ride together and go out somewhere....finally have a Friday night off, with nice weather. Looking at options..... -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 17:08:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00728; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09472 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19670 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-03.dial.nova.org (pm1-03.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.131]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA11387 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:10:09 GMT Message-ID: <35e1df01.167215368@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:34:27 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Cars, being physically heavier and more massive need a lot more > room to move around in such conditions. Though I don't doubt > cars can beat motorcycles on a track of twisties, I can't see > how on the street using just your lane. >> > >Yeah and dont forget about how big HP car's rear ends slide all over the= place >under acceleration. That is where I think a bike has the advantage on >twisties over a pimped out car. A bike can lean over and continuously >accelerate out of a corner (with a good setup of course) while many rear= wheel >drive cars find their rear end sliding out. =20 This is considered a good thing and is one reason that serious sports cars are mostly rear wheel drive (with the 4 wheel drive cars being the exception). Steering by sliding is an advanced technique and shouldn't be confused with Dukes of Hazzard style sliding around... Books like "Secrets of Solo Racing" spend lots of time on such techniques. >The exit speed plus the pure acceleration power of a bike (0-60 in 2.8?)= =20 >would give the bike the lead enough to win a race. At least IMHO. Opinions don't count here. A skilled driver/rider will beat the average driver/rider almost regardless of vehicle given a good road (e.g., US250). The comparisons between bikes and cars are mostly just theoretical for most of us since the guys doing the tests are EXPERTS. I would be very suprised if more than 10% of DC area sportbike owners could get through the twisties on US250 faster than I could do it in my 4 door family car (er, when it's running). I'm no expert but most bike riders simply aren't very skilled (not to mention how poor car driving skills are in general). How many bikes (in one bike households) live on just 1000 miles a year or even less? That's not a good way to get skills. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 17:14:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00771; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09528 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19776 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:11:11 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Michael Troutman" , "Dale Horstman" , "Leon Begeman" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdcd48$2f648c60$2180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980821095556.012eec40@www.troutman.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sounds like an old girlfriend of mine. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I > thought it was kind of ugly at first, but it has an attitude that > kind of grows on you :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 17:19:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00811; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09629 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19941 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:17:03 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Thomas W. Zell" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:16:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdcd49$0168e440$2180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821112949.006c3cb0@pop.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Bet that car never passed a gas station:) Course, these days, you'd better stay close to the airports. Pity about that leaded fuel. I see in the British bike mags, they're all bitching and whining about losing leaded. The other funny thing is that all of those snake oil type lead additives (as opposed to real ones, containing real tetra-ethyl lead) are popping up all over the UK. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I've owned a '68, '69, '70, and a '71 Charger... all big blocks. Also > owned a '69 Coronet Super Bee with a 440... 2 four's, 13.5:1 compression, > nitrous... never came across a faster bike on the street than that car. > Still wish I had it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 17:21:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00819; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09663 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19988 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28784 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:14:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdcd48$9fc88560$2180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Much like Harley Davidsons. Okay, so most Harleys aren't even fast in a straight line, but you can see the analogy, I hope. And for pose value, a Fat Boy, Hemi Cuda, SuperBee, or '67 427 Vette would all fit the bill. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Sorry guys, I had to jump in on this one. Some of these cars may > look nice > and go fast in a straight line but that's it. They brake, handle or do > anything else well. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 17:21:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00823; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09667 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19991 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28786 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:08:42 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Buying Riding Apparel -Reply Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdcd47$d6cd6900$2180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Actually, I've bought almost all of the stuff for my Wing mail order. Nobody stocks stuff for the 81's anymore ('cept for this little hole in the wall in OH) and Markland is just WAYYY too expensive from ACP (who I don't care about keeping in business anyway. They don't stock enough stuff to make it worth it.) And as far as MAW... I buy lots of stuff from JC Whitney. I've never had a problem, and we all know what kinda rep they have. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Blasphemer, you buy mail order!! Put that hand out here so we > can smack it. > :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 17:23:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00870; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09689 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20025 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28805 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:20:14 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: muscle boats... was RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:19:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdcd49$73029e20$2180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Don't know how they did it in the old days (a little bit of reefer probably went a long way towards explaining the 'legendary' abilities of those cars:) but today, there are a few companies that sell what are essentially drag slicks with 2/32 worth of tread on them. They even have a wrinkle. To help that, Car Craft and Hot Rod run a tech article once or twice a year showing you how to put bleach into a windshield washer pump, hook it to an under dash button, and have it squirt out a bit on the tires. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > How did you "hook up" with street tires? I have yet to see any street car > come close to hanging with *any* 1 liter bike that was ridden by > someone who > knows how to ride. And lets compare HP to weight ratio, unless you're > pushing some serious HP (like more then 600) you're just not going to keep > up with a bike. And this assumes you can put all that to the ground. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 17:25:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00905; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09780 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20138 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:22:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bdcd49$d35c7340$2180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <5dbd7d3c.35ddbbcf@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Any joker can sling the rear end out on a car and oversteer on a corner. It's a little trickier on a bike. Then let's talk about the fact that the YZF was the WRONG bike to use. Many better choices. How about redoing that test today with a ZX9R or YZF R1? Finally, how many replacement engines did the Yam need? Zero. the Viper? One. Yeah, John Henry may have beat the steam shovel, but he was dead when all was said and done. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > In a message dated 98-08-21 13:06:20 EDT, you write: > > << How did you "hook up" with street tires? I have yet to see > any street car > come close to hanging with *any* 1 liter bike that was ridden by > someone who > knows how to ride. >> > > Dont you remember that Car and Driver article where they ran a > Viper GTS vs a > YZF1000? They claimed that not only could the Viper stick with > the bike, but > it clocked faster lap times as well!! Of course Im sure the YZF must have > needed a carb sync, valve adjustment, oil change, and something > better than > the 89 octane gas from Hess they probably ran in it. A Viper is > a fast car > but cars just cant corner like a bike can. Thats not even > thinking about the > differences in straight line speed. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 17:29:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00974; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09900 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20307 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:26:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jordan, Michael" , Subject: RE: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:26:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdcd4a$4b2609e0$2180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Doesn't the whole pissing contest of Bike Vs. Car depend not only on riders and vehicles, but the track? Methinks that with a track that gave the bike enough room to accelerate faster in the straights, yet not long enough to let the car take advantage of higher top speeds would put the bike out front. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 19:17:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03025; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11041 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vlti.visuallink.com (known visuallink.com [206.151.68.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25364 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com (ppp22.visuallink.com [206.151.68.182]) by vlti.visuallink.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02534; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:20:27 -0400 Message-ID: <35DE2A02.FADA373F@visuallink.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:16:34 -0700 From: Ivan Keefer Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: vfr 800 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! References: <19980820235220.12899.qmail@hotmail.com> <35DCD4C8.2E904DB4@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, Rt. 50 runs from Salisbury, MD to Sacramento, CA. Now that would be A RIDE! :-) Ready for my 2 day WV, NC trip this weekend...It's freedom, Baby, YEAH! > vfr 800 wrote: > > > > I should have posted this question earlier. (Since I'm leaving on > > Friday) I'm on my way to Cincinnati OH tomorrow and I wanted opinions > > on taking RT. 50 all the way through WV into OH. Hopefully someone is > > online tonight that can give an opinion. Thanks. > > John, > > Funny you should ask. I was looking at a map earlier > tonight, and I was surprised to see that Rt 50 does > indeed go all the way across WVA into Ohio. Seems > like it might be a fun way to get from A to B, I might > try it someday. > > Let me know how it turns out. Happy Riding! > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) mailto:ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 29 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html ICQ# 3136585 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 19:25:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03146; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11156 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25716 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lcmho.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.56]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA22254; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821192122.006a8ac4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:21:22 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: muscle boats... - CAR VS BIKE Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980821202058.FUOL618@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Think four lane highway like US Rt. 1.... only down in Hampton near VA Beach. Granted I used both lanes but I was still right behind them. -Tom At 04:20 PM 8/21/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >>I've run my Trans Am against liter bikes on the highway complete with >>twisty roads exceptional riders. I was always on the brakes trying not to >>run them over!!! And I have quite a few witnesses to back me up on this >>one. The T/A wasn't all that stock but it was emissions legal and safe not >>to mention extremely comfortable... oh.. and since I was doing about a >>buck-65 I had the windows up and the A/C cranked up to boot! >> >>I love bikes but American performance cars are my passion. >> >>-Tom > > Will your witnesses testify that your TA stayed on your side of > the road? I've seen cars try to go fast on twisty roads and I > don't want to be anywhere near them....all over the place! > > Cars, being physically heavier and more massive need a lot more > room to move around in such conditions. Though I don't doubt > cars can beat motorcycles on a track of twisties, I can't see > how on the street using just your lane. > > T > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 19:28:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03194; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11183 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25834 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lcmho.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.56]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20752; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821192654.006a9188@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:26:54 -0400 To: "George Howell" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Cc: "DC Cycles List" In-Reply-To: <000801bdcd49$0168e440$2180e2cf@demon> References: <3.0.1.32.19980821112949.006c3cb0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was keeping Sunoco Racing Fuels in business for a while.... I could go about 100 miles on 15 gallons. Never used gas station fuels(except one time when filling up at the gas station right near Budds Creek... they carry Cam2). -Tom At 05:16 PM 8/21/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Bet that car never passed a gas station:) Course, these days, you'd better >stay close to the airports. Pity about that leaded fuel. I see in the >British bike mags, they're all bitching and whining about losing leaded. The >other funny thing is that all of those snake oil type lead additives (as >opposed to real ones, containing real tetra-ethyl lead) are popping up all >over the UK. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >> I've owned a '68, '69, '70, and a '71 Charger... all big blocks. Also >> owned a '69 Coronet Super Bee with a 440... 2 four's, 13.5:1 compression, >> nitrous... never came across a faster bike on the street than that car. >> Still wish I had it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 19:32:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03229; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11236 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25906 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04517 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lcmho.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.56]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21595; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821193016.006a5500@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:30:16 -0400 To: "George Howell" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: muscle boats... was RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? In-Reply-To: <000901bdcd49$73029e20$2180e2cf@demon> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I was racing the Dodge on the street(as was the way I did it most of the time), I used M&H Race Masters... 29x12.50x15's... and they had the wrinkle wall and all that... God help you if you got caught out in the rain though! -Tom At 05:19 PM 8/21/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Don't know how they did it in the old days (a little bit of reefer probably >went a long way towards explaining the 'legendary' abilities of those cars:) >but today, there are a few companies that sell what are essentially drag >slicks with 2/32 worth of tread on them. They even have a wrinkle. To help >that, Car Craft and Hot Rod run a tech article once or twice a year showing >you how to put bleach into a windshield washer pump, hook it to an under >dash button, and have it squirt out a bit on the tires. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >> How did you "hook up" with street tires? I have yet to see any street car >> come close to hanging with *any* 1 liter bike that was ridden by >> someone who >> knows how to ride. And lets compare HP to weight ratio, unless you're >> pushing some serious HP (like more then 600) you're just not going to keep >> up with a bike. And this assumes you can put all that to the ground. >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 20:27:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03567; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11563 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26832 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 166.55.88.81 (usr9-2-dialup17.mix1.Irving.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EY20022SEJLH5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET From: Dave Weaver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ex500@XXXXXX Message-id: <0EY20022YEJMH5@PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Subject: For Sale: 1993 EX-500 X-Mailer: Top Gun Postman version 1.2 beta for USR PalmPilot X-URL: http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/pilot/TGpostman/ For Sale: 1993 Kawasaki EX-500 One of the best beginner/intermediate/sport/around-town/tour bikes out there, and has been a complete joy to own! I'm parting with my beloved EX to buy a Honda VFR 750, something more suited for riding cross country and two-up. Anyway, here's the scoop on the EX: •1993 model (pearl white & teal with purple trim... very sharp) •Matching Targa lower fairing •Corbin Gunfighter saddle (extremely comfortable and stylish. Will also include original EX stock seat) •3 windscreens: LP "euro" windscreen, LP smoke windscreen, and stock Kaw windscreen. •Targa fender eliminator kit installed •LP Tank Bra •Recent tires (Dunlop K591's), 2000 miles ago •12K miles The bike looks great especially with the add-ons, and is in excellent condition. It has, however, been dropped once on its right side. So there are a couple cracks in the upprer and lower fairings on the right. You really can't see them from anything over 10 feet away though. I'm asking $2500 firm. If you're interested, please call Dave at (703) 243-7907 or email weaverd@XXXXXX. I'm located in the Washington, DC area. Dave -- >From the PalmPilot of Dave Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 21 21:51:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03883; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12362 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27918 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:51:21 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00721; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808220153.VAA00721@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? To: Horkster@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35DDA81D.30F55A0A@tidalwave.net> from "Dale Horstman" at Aug 21, 98 01:02:21 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > I, too, am partial to 1969, as I blessed the world with my > > > presence on January 31st of that year. :) > > > > > > > > Damn..youz guyz are old farts ;-) > > > > Collin > > (ducking and runing...1972...now Brian can call me an old fart) Kids, time for bed !!! ( I will take care of bikes.. ) > > Wow. 29 years, 6 months, 21 days, and I have now for the 42+.....  > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 03:37:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA06397 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA03494; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08622 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA24184; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:32:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:22:50 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Let's Get Green To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, Check this out.Found this 'green' motorcycle while surfing the net. It's supposed to be way safer than the global-warming gas burners we're all riding now.'Course,I'm not sure how safe it would be to have something lowered to the ground(can't see over things) w/o the acceleration to get you out of a fix.Wouldn't even think of taking this thing out on the Beltway. http://www.ddgn.com/carman/shark.htm The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 06:49:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06685 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05083; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10512 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA12645 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:47:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Help! Rt. 50 to OH??!! Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:46:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Correction, it runs from Ocean City, MD to Sacramento, CA. When you leave OC there is a sign that says Sacramento 3000 and something miles. Glenn > Actually, Rt. 50 runs from Salisbury, MD to Sacramento, CA. Now that > would be A RIDE! :-) Ready for my 2 day WV, NC trip this > weekend...It's freedom, Baby, YEAH! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 08:04:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06732 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05699; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11192 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13734 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:02:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Thomas W. Zell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: muscle boats... was RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yest erday? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:02:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) My point is no matter how much power you have you are just going to be sittin there spinning away. I would assume your old car had to weigh around 4000 lbs.? Even with the best street tires available I just don't see you doing any better then 12's in the 1/4. Even cars with AWD such as the (newest) 911 turbo or the late 959 spin both front a rear tires through the entire 1/4 and still can't beat a ZX-11. And now we have the ZX-9 which can hit the 1/4 in the 9's. Its just pure physics, you just can't get a street legal car off the line that fast. Again I'm only talking a straight line here. And as for top end, I haven't seen any muscle boats that can dip into the 170's like a ZX-11 can. Aero dynamics plays a big role over 100 MPH. I guess you could beat 1 liter bikes of an older era or with a rider who doesn't know how to ride. I've seen many a rider that won't even go near redline with their a bike. With riders like that your just not going to get the power you need. Glenn > I usually sprayed it out of the whole and hung on for dear life... tires a > blazin'. When she did hook though she would easily get the left front > wheel about 2.5 feet off the ground with the right about 1.5 feet. Can we > say LOTS OF TORQUE!!! > > I raced cars and bikes and only lost once with the Bee and that was to a > Nova with a bigger motor and a bigger bottle... I got suckered. The car > went easy low 10's in the 130's when I had it and could still get it's > over > size ass around a corner pretty quickly, too. The guy that I sold it to > is > now running(and I just got this yesterday when I went by his place) 5.90's > in the eighth with the motor that I built... all he did was work on the > suspension. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 08:07:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06748 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05733; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11249 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 311; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:06:58 -0400 Message-ID: <35E15788.6AB387DC@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:07:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] References: <85256667.0064E171.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hmm, I thought it went to Gore, then Gingrich ... Which is why they never > let Bill and Al travel together. :-) > I here I thought it was because Bill has got the hotts for Tipper. =;-) Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 09:44:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06950 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06666; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13247 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA18132; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:45:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:43:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980821141206.00ba4100@www.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Michael Troutman wrote: > GO BUSH GO! Its too bad we dont have any rock solid Republicans to throw > into the next election, except of course Bush. Colin Powell. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 10:04:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06967 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06996; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13812 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id KAA16330 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8525666A.004D393D ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:03:29 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525666A.004C4568.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:04:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] - also shocks question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Another product of the Reaganomics era...sure, it was a feel-good period for us all...too bad our grandkids will end up footing the bill for years of irresponsible, excessive spending. But alas, this is not the appropriate place to discuss supply-side economics. > Beer Crinton I can't even imagine what you're referring to here...is this, perhaps, some stereotype of the language difficulties non-native speakers encounter when trying to speak our language (specifically Japanese, which does not use the "L" sound...if this was supposed to allude to Clinton's (unfortunate, IMO) support of China, too bad - they use the L). Moto Related - sold the bike. Also, I was wondering if faulty rear shocks could be the cause of a sagging rear end (on the bike, silly)...if all shocks do is dampen impacts, why do they seem to affect ride height? Just wondering, and no harm intended... -Doug To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: LDRider: More politics] >G2K for me! Thats "Gore 2000!" to the acronym-challenged ;-) Personally >I'd vote for slick-willy for a third term...my stocks have gone way way up >since he's been in office. Of course, he may not be directly or even >indirectly responsible...and maybe Barry wasn't directly or indirectly >responsible for DC going to hell-in-a-handbasket either, but its quite a >coincidence, eh? > >-Doug Ignorance truly must be bliss. I'm sure there are many factors, aside from the most directly related (the businesses themselves), that have something to do with stock market swings. Lame duck Beer Crinton ain't, and never has been one of them. Unless you're talking about Whitewater. Hrrmmm....moto content. As far as I know, Beer doesn't ride one. Of course if Honda were to introduce the 'Intern 750', or Yamaha came out with the 'UseMe 1100' he'd be a loyalist. I for one will praise the powers that be when the schmuck is OUT! Todd (feeling a wee-opinionated just now) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 11:02:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07027 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07736; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15622 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18932 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lc43g.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.112]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10117 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980824105943.0068e74c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:59:43 -0400 To: 'DC.Cycles'" "@mindspring.com From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: muscle boats... was RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" BULLSHIT!!! BULLSHIT!!! BULLSHIT!!! Open up any Hot Rod or Car Craft magazine and you'll see it my way... street legal cars with DOT tires are in the 7's in the quarter mile with speeds over 160mph. Some are even capable of being driven on a daily basis. And they've been doing this now about 10 years. Hell... most fairly stock big block cars will run 12's all day long with street tires. My 340(small block) Duster ran 12's and all it had was a hotter cam and headers! And for muscle boats that can't run on the top end I believe that there are a ton of folks that run the Silver State Classic(racing through the twisties of Nevada) with Mopars, GM's etc that run 200MPH+ all day long in the unlimited class... purely street legal and comfortable to boot.... another example of a street legal car doing what the bike does and better. My Super Bee weighed in at 3400lbs. with me in it and 5 gal. of fuel. The 440 was putting out close to 700(!!) horsepower and I have the dyno log from Coleman Brother's up in Baltimore to prove it. Yes it did a lot of spinning but when she stopped, she would just rip past whatever I was running against. As I got the suspension sorted out it was even worse for the competition. Physics has nothing to do with it here... also... most of the big cars from the muscle era were NASCAR racers on the track as well and were more than capable of running the big 180mph figure and that was with an engine producing under 600hp. Glenn... and I mean this in the kindest, friendliest way... stick to what you know. I've been around this stuff since I can remember. -Tom At 08:02 AM 8/24/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >My point is no matter how much power you have you are just going to be >sittin there spinning away. I would assume your old car had to weigh around >4000 lbs.? Even with the best street tires available I just don't see you >doing any better then 12's in the 1/4. Even cars with AWD such as the >(newest) 911 turbo or the late 959 spin both front a rear tires through the >entire 1/4 and still can't beat a ZX-11. And now we have the ZX-9 which can >hit the 1/4 in the 9's. Its just pure physics, you just can't get a street >legal car off the line that fast. Again I'm only talking a straight line >here. And as for top end, I haven't seen any muscle boats that can dip into >the 170's like a ZX-11 can. Aero dynamics plays a big role over 100 MPH. > >I guess you could beat 1 liter bikes of an older era or with a rider who >doesn't know how to ride. I've seen many a rider that won't even go near >redline with their a bike. With riders like that your just not going to get >the power you need. > >Glenn > > >> I usually sprayed it out of the whole and hung on for dear life... tires a >> blazin'. When she did hook though she would easily get the left front >> wheel about 2.5 feet off the ground with the right about 1.5 feet. Can we >> say LOTS OF TORQUE!!! >> >> I raced cars and bikes and only lost once with the Bee and that was to a >> Nova with a bigger motor and a bigger bottle... I got suckered. The car >> went easy low 10's in the 130's when I had it and could still get it's >> over >> size ass around a corner pretty quickly, too. The guy that I sold it to >> is >> now running(and I just got this yesterday when I went by his place) 5.90's >> in the eighth with the motor that I built... all he did was work on the >> suspension. >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 11:22:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07062 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07914; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16088 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJLWa04142 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2ca79ce6.35e1850a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:21:45 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Anyone going riding this weekend? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Hey all. Just seeing if anyone is planning on going riding this weekend. I know it's kinda early, but... Anyway, I received an e-mail about the Antietam "Arch run" in Hagerstwon, MD. It's a Poker run focusing on Stone archways. More info is at: http://members.aol.com/AntietamMC/archrun.html If anyone is interested, let me know. Maybe we could meet as a group and ride up? Hope to hear from you all. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 11:41:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07136 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08124; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16817 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20567 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lcjvh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.241]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18138 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980824114005.0069aba0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:40:05 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: muscle boats... was RE: anyone else notice ponch and jon yesterday? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" BULLSHIT!!! BULLSHIT!!! BULLSHIT!!! Open up any Hot Rod or Car Craft magazine and you'll see it my way... street legal cars with DOT tires are in the 7's in the quarter mile with speeds over 160mph. Some are even capable of being driven on a daily basis. And they've been doing this now about 10 years. Hell... most fairly stock big block cars will run 12's all day long with street tires. My 340(small block) Duster ran 12's and all it had was a hotter cam and headers! And for muscle boats that can't run on the top end I believe that there are a ton of folks that run the Silver State Classic(racing through the twisties of Nevada) with Mopars, GM's etc that run 200MPH+ all day long in the unlimited class... purely street legal and comfortable to boot.... another example of a street legal car doing what the bike does and better. My Super Bee weighed in at 3400lbs. with me in it and 5 gal. of fuel. The 440 was putting out close to 700(!!) horsepower and I have the dyno log from Coleman Brother's up in Baltimore to prove it. Yes it did a lot of spinning but when she stopped, she would just rip past whatever I was running against. As I got the suspension sorted out it was even worse for the competition. Physics has nothing to do with it here... also... most of the big cars from the muscle era were NASCAR racers on the track as well and were more than capable of running the big 180mph figure and that was with an engine producing under 600hp. Glenn... and I mean this in the kindest, friendliest way... stick to what you know. I've been around this stuff since I can remember. -Tom At 08:02 AM 8/24/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >My point is no matter how much power you have you are just going to be >sittin there spinning away. I would assume your old car had to weigh around >4000 lbs.? Even with the best street tires available I just don't see you >doing any better then 12's in the 1/4. Even cars with AWD such as the >(newest) 911 turbo or the late 959 spin both front a rear tires through the >entire 1/4 and still can't beat a ZX-11. And now we have the ZX-9 which can >hit the 1/4 in the 9's. Its just pure physics, you just can't get a street >legal car off the line that fast. Again I'm only talking a straight line >here. And as for top end, I haven't seen any muscle boats that can dip into >the 170's like a ZX-11 can. Aero dynamics plays a big role over 100 MPH. > >I guess you could beat 1 liter bikes of an older era or with a rider who >doesn't know how to ride. I've seen many a rider that won't even go near >redline with their a bike. With riders like that your just not going to get >the power you need. > >Glenn > > >> I usually sprayed it out of the whole and hung on for dear life... tires a >> blazin'. When she did hook though she would easily get the left front >> wheel about 2.5 feet off the ground with the right about 1.5 feet. Can we >> say LOTS OF TORQUE!!! >> >> I raced cars and bikes and only lost once with the Bee and that was to a >> Nova with a bigger motor and a bigger bottle... I got suckered. The car >> went easy low 10's in the 130's when I had it and could still get it's >> over >> size ass around a corner pretty quickly, too. The guy that I sold it to >> is >> now running(and I just got this yesterday when I went by his place) 5.90's >> in the eighth with the motor that I built... all he did was work on the >> suspension. >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 12:47:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07451 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09124; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19745 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f116.hotmail.com [207.82.251.46]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23297 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8171 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 1998 16:46:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19980824164633.8170.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.206.191 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:46:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.206.191] From: "Don Burger" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: D204's Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:46:33 PDT I need to replace the rear tire on my F3, I was considering getting a D204. Do any of you have comments good bad or indifferent about these tires. Don B. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 17:17:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08377 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00379; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26464 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BLACKYZF1@XXXXXX Received: from BLACKYZF1@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 5HVJa26052; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41ff7b5d.35e1cdbd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:31:56 EDT To: SRUSH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EXUP Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Str... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Pretty funny, When I was taking the test, the guy in front of me ran over the instructor!!!! ROFLMAO!!! adam BLACKYZF1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 17:16:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08375 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00358; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27203 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:46:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:46:07 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: BLACKYZF1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EXUP Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Str... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline yeah, but how bad was the damage to the bike? ;-) Scooter >>> 08/24/98 04:31PM >>> Pretty funny, When I was taking the test, the guy in front of me ran over = the instructor!!!! ROFLMAO!!! adam =20 BLACKYZF1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 17:20:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08385 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00516; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24739 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525666A.006CE148 ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:49:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525666A.006CBC25.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:49:10 -0400 Subject: Is DC Cycles down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I haven't seen any messages from DC cycles today. Is the server down or is the traffic just dead? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 17:20:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08389 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00543; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24711 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 44 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:48:28 -0400 Message-ID: <35E1C3AF.89C409B1@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:49:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Sorry, had to do a valve adjust this weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I meant to cc: the DC cycles list with this note, too. The invitation is open to anyone to drop by the next time I do a valve adjust on my bike, providing that my planning skills improve considerably the next time around, and I actually announce it beforehand. :) Horkster ============== Louis, I know I promised to let you know when I did my next valve adjustment on the Concours, but life has been pretty hectic lately, and my poor bike had racked up almost 13k miles while waiting for a free weekend for me to do the 12k service. D'oh! Anyway, I found myself (suddenly, I thought I was gonna hafta go in to work, yuck) with a free afternoon yesterday, so I dove right in around 4:00 pm. Oh, did I ever mention how long it takes to do one of these jobs? Longer than an afternoon. I finished up around 12:30 am last night. Admittedly, I did a few other things (tore off all the bodywork except the upper fairing searching for a squeaking noise, adjusted the steering stem bearing, also played around aiming the headlight beam up a little bit (ok, a lot, heh, who needs aux lights?), and wasted about an hour reattaching a nut that came loose on the throttle return cable (I should've just pulled the carbs, damnit), and cleaned and adjusted the sparky plugs. But still, it seems like a long time. Maybe if I quit stopping and admiring this incredible machine and pinching myself because I still can't believe that it's really all mine, I'll get done faster. :) These 6k service intervals can come up pretty quickly when you ride all the time. :) Anyhow, bike does run much smoother now (the idiot (me) who did the last valve adjust for the very first time did a far better job this time around), and the engine sounds much better now, to boot. Shakedown cruises at 1:00 am are a blast. :-) Anyway, hopefully next time (soon) I'll be able to better plan things, and have you show up and watch when I get to the interesting parts. To any COGgers out there who read down this far and haven't collapsed from boredom yet: Why is it that the RPMS seem to drop slightly for a given speed after a valve adjust/carb synch? Am I hallucinating here? Anyone else notice this? Best regards to everyone, Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Happy bike, tired mechanic horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 12,968 miles 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 17:21:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08393 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00584; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24556 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p23dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.55]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA30397 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:40:50 -0400 Message-ID: <04f901bdcf97$403a0f00$2ef31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: What's up? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:41:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Is it my server, Harry's problem, or is there just no traffic of late? I guess you could call this a test message. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 17:21:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08397 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00604; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24064 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA19839 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Death of a Racer (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just FYI... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:54:58 -1000 From: "Thimjon, Dean CPT - 25IDL" To: HAWKGT-L@XXXXXX Subject: Death of a Racer On a very serious note, Nathan Weams # 9 of the Hawaii Road Race Association died on Sunday while racing. In a 120mph right hander, his bike started doing a tank slapper and he couldn't regain control. He and the bike were launched off the track and he landed about 100 yards from the point where he left the track. I was the first person on the scene. I held his hand and spoke to him until they flew him out to the hospital. I prayed all night that he would live. He died during the night from internal injuries. I ask that you all remember his family in your prayers. I took a big lesson away from this accident though. Nathan was complaining about his front end being squirly on him. When something seems wrong, stop and fix it. If it still isn't right, stop and try something else. If you can't get it right, stop racing and figure out what is wrong. We are out there racing for fun...competition should not over power our good sense. Thanks for letting me share with you guys. Dean HRRA #129 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 17:21:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08401 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00625; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23270 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:09:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:08:42 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX Subject: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator On The Streets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, after attempting my motorcycle test three times on my FZR 600, and = failing miserably, I borrowed my aunt's Honda Rebel 250 and PASSED. :-) = That thing was just made to do figure eight's. ;-) Although, it was a = funny sight to see. Picture it, 6'3" body, white/red/black jacket, gloves = & helmet on a BRIGHT CANARY YELLOW Honda Rebel 250 where the seat just = BARELY came up above my knees. I had to ride with my feet on the back = pegs during the test so I wouldn't hit them on the handle bars. 8-0 = Fourth times the charm. Scooter Fully Licensed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 17:22:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08408 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00823; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21973 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26237 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:53:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FS Tank bag Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:53:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I have an Eclipse Contour magnetic tank bag for sale. Its only been used twice. Its a nice big bag for those that need the space. It measures 14 x 9-1/2 x 7-1/2, 20 liters. I have the rain cover still in its original plastic bag plus have the manual and box to go with it. Any decent offer will not be refused. MAW wants $67.95 for the bag and $14.95 for the rain cover (total of $82.90). I think Coleman wants $99.95. YMMV. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX Home (703) 658-4870 Work (703) 692-9021 98 VFR800 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 18:01:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08465 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00862; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29363 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06922 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:38:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199808242138.RAA06922@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:38:42 -0400 Subject: Serious wheelie! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Check this one out... http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mirosys/jimbelimbo/bikes.html Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 18:01:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08466 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00860; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29596 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08605 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Test: Don not read. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Test message. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 18:01:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08469 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00864; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29137 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06441 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808242132.RAA06441@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: list down for the weekend Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:32:32 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos A number of you have noticed that there were no dc-cycles messages over the weekend. The machine that hosts the list at the U of MD Computer Science Dept was down for a day or two undergoing an OS change operation, and was brought back up misconfigured, thus rendering it unreachable from the outside world. In any case, they've straightened that problem out, and things should be back online. Any postings sent in over the weekend should start appearing in your mailboxes soon. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 18:18:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08876 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01934; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01306 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:17:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BLACKYZF1@XXXXXX Received: from BLACKYZF1@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id 5BEPa24618; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:16:47 EDT To: SRUSH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EXUP Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed MotorcycleOperator OnThe Str... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Bike was fine, instructor was bruised! Adam BLACKYZF1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 24 23:19:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09727 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05592; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11484 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20181 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11172 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:19:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from harry@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199808250319.XAA11172@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: list down for the weekend In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:32:32 EDT." <199808242132.RAA06441@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:19:41 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >A number of you have noticed that there were no dc-cycles messages over >the weekend. The machine that hosts the list at the U of MD Computer >Science Dept was down for a day or two undergoing an OS change operation, >and was brought back up misconfigured, thus rendering it unreachable >from the outside world. > >In any case, they've straightened that problem out, and things should be >back online. Any postings sent in over the weekend should start appearing >in your mailboxes soon. Re-sending this, as some people seem to have gotten a mangled version of it the first time. I guess things still weren't working right yet. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 00:47:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10258 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06463; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13914 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:44:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "SCOTT Rush" , , Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bdcfe2$f755dd40$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Sounds like this guy I saw taking the test when I was getting my learner's permit. Obviously a Harley rider (helmet one step above a beanie, black t-shirt, blue jeans, beard, 325 lbs.) He was on a Rebel. I don't think he passed the test. I bet that bike gave him a serious wedgie. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [mailto:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 1998 3:09 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX > Subject: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator > OnThe Streets > > > Well, after attempting my motorcycle test three times on my FZR > 600, and failing miserably, I borrowed my aunt's Honda Rebel 250 > and PASSED. :-) That thing was just made to do figure eight's. > ;-) Although, it was a funny sight to see. Picture it, 6'3" > body, white/red/black jacket, gloves & helmet on a BRIGHT CANARY > YELLOW Honda Rebel 250 where the seat just BARELY came up above > my knees. I had to ride with my feet on the back pegs during the > test so I wouldn't hit them on the handle bars. 8-0 Fourth > times the charm. > > Scooter > Fully Licensed > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 00:51:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10264 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06566; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14037 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:48:24 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: RE: Serious wheelie! Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:48:07 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bdcfe3$8d80db80$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <199808242138.RAA06922@radagast.wizard.net> Don't give Collin any ideas. Or Dale. He might cause the next squids he meets to mess themselves. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 1998 5:39 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Serious wheelie! > > > Check this one out... > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mirosys/jimbelimbo/bikes.html > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 01:02:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10305 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06847; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA14374 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id WAA27806 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:01:53 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:01:53 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator On The Streets Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:04:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Obviously a Harley rider (helmet one step above a beanie, black >t-shirt, blue jeans, beard, 325 lbs.) >He was on a Rebel. How could you tell?? ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 01:15:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10345 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07200; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA14790 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:12:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jordan, Michael" , Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <002601bdcfe6$e6ea89c0$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Rebel, Savage, Sporty, FL... All I know is the man eclipsed the bike:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 1:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator > OnThe Streets > > > >Obviously a Harley rider (helmet one step above a beanie, black > >t-shirt, blue jeans, beard, 325 lbs.) > >He was on a Rebel. > > How could you tell?? ;-) > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 06:54:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10973 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10820; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (known helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23127 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (DHCP128231230165.cit.nih.gov [128.231.230.165]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15611 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E29713.787E4991@radix.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:51:00 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: M/C cops & waving Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NOT to start another wave thread... BUT... Finally, after 7 years of riding, & waving at every single M/C cop I've seen, a Md State bike cop waved back yesterday on 210 N in Indian Head. Are they particular about who they wave to? Anyone else notice this? BTW anyone else caught in the Beltway backup at exit 24 outer loop? The chopper landed about 0545 this morning. When I passed it looked pretty grim, a small cage stuck up under the back of a tractor trailer. Of course, an impatient cager cut me off as traffic was clearing - SMHR ( shaking my helmet ruefully ). Dave '90 ZX 11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 07:45:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11010 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11291; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24341 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808251144.HAA24341@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A31D7902A8; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:42:21 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:43:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Serious wheelie! In-Reply-To: <199808242138.RAA06922@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:38 PM 8/24/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >Check this one out... >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mirosys/jimbelimbo/bikes.html Wow! I'd say it was a little luck and a little skill. I think it was skill when it went past vertical - 'cause most folks would bail out at that time. The fact that he held on and got the front wheel back down is incredible. Bet he doesn't do that again real soon! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 08:47:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11051 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12235; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26107 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p16dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.48]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27399 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <056201bdd026$63816140$2ef31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Non-moto: Roommate search Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:46:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Blatant abuse of mailing list: free advertising..... Two rooms available in Bethesda house for one person. $550/month + utils. Next to full bath. I currently live here with one other person. Carport has room for more motorcycles. 2 miles from downtown Bethesda; 2 miles from beltway (River Road exit). Large, fenced yard; must like dogs. Primestar (read: Speedvision); modem line; central AC. Quiet neighborhood. Please let me know if you are interested, either by email or at 301 252-5932. Thanks. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 08:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11059 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12365; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26418 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p16dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.48]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27851 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:57:42 -0400 Message-ID: <056a01bdd028$17836c00$2ef31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:58:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 If you can't pass the test on the FZR, perhaps you should be riding a Rebel or something like it on the street? Aren't you the guy who wrecked on a group ride about a month ago, then responded to Glenn Dysart's solid advice by saying that you had already taken enough MSF classes? You didn't even have a license! What a joke. -----Original Message----- From: SCOTT Rush To: ; Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 6:25 PM Subject: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets Well, after attempting my motorcycle test three times on my FZR 600, and failing miserably, I borrowed my aunt's Honda Rebel 250 and PASSED. :-) That thing was just made to do figure eight's. ;-) Although, it was a funny sight to see. Picture it, 6'3" body, white/red/black jacket, gloves & helmet on a BRIGHT CANARY YELLOW Honda Rebel 250 where the seat just BARELY came up above my knees. I had to ride with my feet on the back pegs during the test so I wouldn't hit them on the handle bars. 8-0 Fourth times the charm. Scooter Fully Licensed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 09:08:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11080 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12522; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26734 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26537; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:09:43 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1166727@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'George Howell'" , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Serious wheelie! Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:09:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain hmmmmmmm... I DO have a few races coming up this weekend :) > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 8:01 AM > To: Anita Lauro; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Serious wheelie! > > Don't give Collin any ideas. Or Dale. He might cause the next squids he > meets to mess themselves. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 09:13:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11086 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12602; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26906 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00788; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11948; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:12:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from harry@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199808251312.JAA11948@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: "SCOTT Rush" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator On The Streets In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:08:42 EDT." Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:12:37 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Well, after attempting my motorcycle test three times on my FZR 600, and = >failing miserably, I borrowed my aunt's Honda Rebel 250 and PASSED. :-) = >That thing was just made to do figure eight's. ;-) Although, it was a = >funny sight to see. Actually, that just triggered a geezer alarm. I took my motorcycle test in Frederick in '86. There's a real MVA in Frederick now, but then it was just a makeshift office in a firehouse. The test consisted of riding away from the tester guy, ride about 30 yards along the side of the firehouse, and turn left (turn signal). At this point you're on the other side of the firehouse from the tester, and he can't see you. You can now pop a wheelie, crash during turn two, shotgun a beer, whatever. After you make it around turn 3 the tester could see you again, and then you had to weave through 4 or 5 cones and come to a stop. To make it even more bogus, I took the test on a borrowed scooter, one of those tiny little 50cc Yamaha Spree thingies. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 09:22:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11095 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12711; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27149 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA02392 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:22:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825132203.QDEO618@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:22:03 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Serious wheelie! Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:22:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdd02b$58b267a0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199808251144.HAA24341@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> That is apparently Max Biaggi (I have the same avi with better quality). So, a lotta skill there (and some luck) with a dash of lunacy. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (46K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 7:43 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Serious wheelie! At 05:38 PM 8/24/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >Check this one out... >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mirosys/jimbelimbo/bikes.html Wow! I'd say it was a little luck and a little skill. I think it was skill when it went past vertical - 'cause most folks would bail out at that time. The fact that he held on and got the front wheel back down is incredible. Bet he doesn't do that again real soon! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 09:37:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11115 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12901; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27630 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:34:11 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:36:52 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Subject: Serious wheelie! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Looks like a University of Rothwell graduate. Until now, I've only seen Professor Rothwell go past vertical and get it back down. >>> "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> - 8/24/98 5:38 PM >>> Check this one out... http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mirosys/jimbelimbo/bikes.html Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 09:42:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11128 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12987; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27858 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:43:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:43:15 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: harry@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator On The Streets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Boy, I wish I had known about that test. hehe Although, popping a beer = with a full face on must have been kinda hard. :-) Scooter >>> Harry Mantakos 08/25/98 09:12AM >>> >Well, after attempting my motorcycle test three times on my FZR 600, and = =3D >failing miserably, I borrowed my aunt's Honda Rebel 250 and PASSED. :-) = =3D >That thing was just made to do figure eight's. ;-) Although, it was a = =3D >funny sight to see. Actually, that just triggered a geezer alarm. I took my motorcycle test in Frederick in '86. There's a real MVA in Frederick now, but then it was just a makeshift office in a firehouse. The test consisted of riding away from the tester guy, ride about 30 yards along the side of the firehouse, and turn left (turn signal). At this point you're on the other side of the firehouse from the tester, and he can't see you. You can now pop a wheelie, crash during turn two, shotgun a beer, whatever. After you make it around turn 3 the tester could see you again, and then you had to weave through 4 or 5 cones and come to a stop. To make it even more bogus, I took the test on a borrowed scooter, one of those tiny little 50cc Yamaha Spree thingies. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 09:52:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11140 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13157; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28316 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:52:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id WEEIa24617 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57dd2553.35e2c182@aol.com>> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:52:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator On The Stree Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 harry said >I took my motorcycle >test in Frederick in '86. >To make it even more bogus, I took the test on a borrowed scooter, one of >those tiny little 50cc Yamaha Spree thingies. >-harry I did mine in California in '84 on a Honda C70. I had to drive around a circle, then ride in a straight line, shifting as I passed the tester. The scooter had a shift lever and an automatic clutch (no lever for the left hand). It totally confused the guy, "hey, no hot-dog shifts!" (on a 70cc?). Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 10:03:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11152 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13405; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28696 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02720 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:00:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:59:56 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More info: even CHEAPER oil... Alright, I've already said that the Target in Bowie (MD) has Castrol's Syntec fully synthetic motor oil reduced to $3.34 per quart. What I didn't know is that Castrol is currently offering a $6.00 mail-in rebate on a case of 6 (That's a dollar off per quart!) making your final cost $2.34 per quart, plus tax and 1 postage stamp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 10:22:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11186 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13989; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29382 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 537; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:21:24 -0400 Message-ID: <35E2C887.F2BBF87F@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:21:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Serious wheelie! References: <002501bdcfe3$8d80db80$2080e2cf@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Don't give Collin any ideas. Or Dale. He might cause the next \ > squids he meets to mess themselves. > >> Check this one out... >> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mirosys/jimbelimbo/bikes.html George, I can quite honestly say that my wheelie on the Concours wasn't quite this high... (Thank the sweet Lord! = 8-o ) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Even Biaggi couldn't lift this one. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 10:24:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11192 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14060; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29475 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03651 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:23:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Honda Oil Filters Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:23:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) To everyone that owns a Honda with a spin on oil filter. I was considering making a group purchase of Honda oil filters from my contact in NY. Since Honda only has two sizes now it should be fairly easy. If you are interested in getting in on this let me know how many filters you want and model/year of your bike. Once I get a count I'll look into the best price. PS What's happening on the tire mounter and the logo? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 98 VFR800 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 10:33:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11199 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14211; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29792 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA21689; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825143307.RJPR611@localHost>; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:33:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825143307.RJPR611@localHost> Say it like you see it Tom. Don't sugercoat. And I agree, what a joke. T From: "Thomas H. Gimer" >If you can't pass the test on the FZR, perhaps you should be riding a Rebel >or something like it on the street? Aren't you the guy who wrecked on a >group ride about a month ago, then responded to Glenn Dysart's solid advice >by saying that you had already taken enough MSF classes? You didn't even >have a license! What a joke. -----Original Message----- From: SCOTT Rush >Well, after attempting my motorcycle test three times on my FZR 600, and >failing miserably, I borrowed my aunt's Honda Rebel 250 and PASSED. :-) >That thing was just made to do figure eight's. ;-) Although, it was a >funny sight to see. Picture it, 6'3" body, white/red/black jacket, gloves & >helmet on a BRIGHT CANARY YELLOW Honda Rebel 250 where the seat just BARELY >came up above my knees. I had to ride with my feet on the back pegs during >the test so I wouldn't hit them on the handle bars. 8-0 Fourth times the >charm. > >Scooter >Fully Licensed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 10:38:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11208 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14259; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29955 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:35:27 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "SCOTT Rush" , Cc: Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOn The Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bdd035$936425a0$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: He was probably wearing a beanie:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Boy, I wish I had known about that test. hehe Although, popping > a beer with a full face on must have been kinda hard. :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 10:38:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11207 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14258; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29950 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:35:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: <002801bdd035$9289f240$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <056a01bdd028$17836c00$2ef31bce@richard> Not sure where you took your test, but the MD test doesn't exactly do the greatest job of preparing you for street riding. My brother has probably ridden about 2000 miles or more in the past year. I trust him on the street. He's a timid rider, but safe. I'd trust him on the road. However, due to some bad genetics and a slight birth defect, he has the world's worst sense of balance. Throw in severe test anxiety, and he's failed the MD licensure test three times. BFD if he can't do the straight line balance test, or a cone weave. He can anticipate traffic and position himself in a lane to remain conspicuous. Which is more important in your riding? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > If you can't pass the test on the FZR, perhaps you should be > riding a Rebel > or something like it on the street? Aren't you the guy who wrecked on a > group ride about a month ago, then responded to Glenn Dysart's > solid advice > by saying that you had already taken enough MSF classes? You didn't even > have a license! What a joke. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 11:05:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11265 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14744; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01321 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04514 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:04:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'MotorLE@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operato r On The Stree Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:04:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I've ridden on of those. Its very similar to the CT-90 that I gave Brian. Mine even had a low range on the transmission. In low 1 you could pull stumps with that thing. Also, its called a centrifugal clutch not an automatic clutch. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 98 VFR800 84 V30 Magna > I did mine in California in '84 on a Honda C70. I had to drive around a > circle, then ride in a straight line, shifting as I passed the tester. The > scooter had a shift lever and an automatic clutch (no lever for the left > hand). It totally confused the guy, "hey, no hot-dog shifts!" (on a > 70cc?). > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 11:33:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11297 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15216; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02384 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA27012 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:32:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825153239.RMIM618@localHost> for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:32:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Treachery on the Waterways X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825153239.RMIM618@localHost> Re-sent from Sunday..... __________________________________________________________ Our ride from Point of Rocks to Hagerstown, a zigzagging point-to-point run, began quite uneventfully, and I was able to find most of the roads SA5 lists. WVA sucks where displaying road number signs is concerned. The riders: Me Alex Milenkovic Chris (???) Steve Beck Sean Sullivan If you ever find yourself heading west on sr672 from sr11 out of Clearbrook, VA, beware. You eventually will come to a very narrow path around Lake Saint Claire called what else, Lake St Claire Road. You'll know it; it's filled with speed bumps and 17-20% grades up/down. But what will give away this dangerous place is the roughly 15-ft spillway at the end of the lake. It is made of cement and covered with a 'lichenous' like algae that appears benign, but is in fact as slick as ice. How do I know? Ask Sean. There is a speed bump just before the spillway, and as I was leading we slowed to around 5-8mph. I judged there was maybe a .5 inch of water moving over it so decided to go for it. The first thing I remember was that it felt as if I was hydra planing. Then my rear tire started slipping and, as I tried to correct it, it slid all the way to the right. In a dream state all I could muster was, "FUCK". I was staring at the downstream end of the spill-way (about 3-foot drop) and it flashed in my head, "how are we gonna get 670lb of motorcycle out of that!" At that moment I made it to the end of the spillway and the tires caught on not-slick cement. Pitch! I'm on the ground. I got up and turned around to see Sean down as well in the swamp on the upstream side of the spillway (soft landing) and everyone else stopped mouths open. Again, in my best public relations shrill, I phrased, "FUCK!" as a woman and her children were approaching from a beach head about 50 yards away. All this in a matter of seconds mind you. Damage to the ST1100, nominal. Tip-over wing on right side cracked, mirror housing cracked, and right side pannier scuffed up. Damage to Seans F3, hard to tell with all that black duct tape :-) But seriously, bent and dislocated rear-brake lever, bent handlebar end weight. This was just the most freakish thing to happen. There is a moral though. If you come up to a spillway and are contemplating crossing, get off the bike and walk it first. We finally made it up to the races around 6pm and the races finally started around 7:30pm. Very cool. The national slide heroes were all out there. Best race, IMO, was between Scott Parker and the (sorry, forgot the name) guy he was vying for fifth place in the Grand National. These guys where tooling at around 120mph and sliding, side by side within inches for about 4 laps. Very exciting Home by 1am. And that's it. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 12:06:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11352 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15898; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03973 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA21819; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825160242.RURH618@localHost>; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:02:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "George Howell" CC: "Thomas H. Gimer" , Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825160242.RURH618@localHost> George Howell wrote: >Not sure where you took your test, but the MD test doesn't exactly do the >greatest job of preparing you for street riding. My brother has probably >ridden about 2000 miles or more in the past year. I trust him on the street. >He's a timid rider, but safe. I'd trust him on the road. However, due to >some bad genetics and a slight birth defect, he has the world's worst sense >of balance. Throw in severe test anxiety, and he's failed the MD licensure >test three times. BFD if he can't do the straight line balance test, or a >cone weave. He can anticipate traffic and position himself in a lane to >remain conspicuous. Which is more important in your riding? The MD licensure test is a cakewalk compared to a real life situation. I think all of it is important George. Even though some on this list might disagree with me, I believe the roadways would be at least marginally safer if people were tested more often. As motorcyclists, a higher percentage of our group is concerned with safety more often than cagers. Even the 'NO HELMETs' people would agree that they are concerned with their own safety (just on their terms). Assuming this is a true statement than why would safety concerned people want somebody on the road who can't even pass the simplest of roadcourse tests? I don't want to wait until they've caused damage to find out they couldn't pass a roadcourse for the DMV! It might be me they crash into. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 12:11:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11364 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15999; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04206 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:12:15 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Todd, not sure whether this response was on my side on not. If it's = support, thanks, if it's not, oh well. As for Tom, I don't know where you took your test, but I took mine in = Pennsylvania. Part of the test is that you do 3 figure eights in a = designated area about the size of 2 parking spaces. I don't know about = you, but the FZR just wouldn't go slow enough and turn tight enough to get = the job done. As for my get off on the group ride, well EXCUUUSSSSEEEE me = for living. You mean to tell me you've never had an accident. Not one? = If not, then I want to shake your hand, NOT! You know, gravel is NOT our = friend. As for my not having a license, I bet there are quite a few = people on this list that don't have one yet. But a permit is just as = good. Some of the people who have responded kindly to my good news said = that they haven't gotten their license either. If you don't have either, = THEN it's a joke. My response to Glenn was that I had already taken the = MSF course in VA, however that doesn't help with a PA license. And I = thanked him for the advice. So, if this covers everything, go F$%K = yourself and don't rain on my parade. Scooter BTW you should include the person your responding to e-mail address in = your response along with the list address. People on the digest version = don't get it until the next day otherwise. Luckily for me I just switched = in time to see Todd's reponse. Learn how to e-mail. >>> Todd Peer 08/25/98 10:28AM >>> Say it like you see it Tom. Don't sugercoat. And I agree, what a joke. T From: "Thomas H. Gimer" >If you can't pass the test on the FZR, perhaps you should be riding a = Rebel >or something like it on the street? Aren't you the guy who wrecked on a >group ride about a month ago, then responded to Glenn Dysart's solid = advice >by saying that you had already taken enough MSF classes? You didn't even >have a license! What a joke. -----Original Message----- From: SCOTT Rush >Well, after attempting my motorcycle test three times on my FZR 600, and >failing miserably, I borrowed my aunt's Honda Rebel 250 and PASSED. :-) >That thing was just made to do figure eight's. ;-) Although, it was a >funny sight to see. Picture it, 6'3" body, white/red/black jacket, = gloves & >helmet on a BRIGHT CANARY YELLOW Honda Rebel 250 where the seat just = BARELY >came up above my knees. I had to ride with my feet on the back pegs = during >the test so I wouldn't hit them on the handle bars. 8-0 Fourth times = the >charm. > >Scooter >Fully Licensed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 12:24:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11382 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16151; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04739 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:25:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:24:50 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Treachery on the Waterways Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Glad to hear you're alright. Scooter >>> Todd Peer 08/25/98 11:18AM >>> Re-sent from Sunday..... __________________________________________________________ Our ride from Point of Rocks to Hagerstown, a zigzagging point-to-point run, began quite uneventfully, and I was able=20 to find most of the roads SA5 lists. WVA sucks where displaying=20 road number signs is concerned. The riders:=20 Me Alex Milenkovic Chris (???) Steve Beck Sean Sullivan If you ever find yourself heading west on sr672 from sr11 out of =20 Clearbrook, VA, beware. You eventually will come to a very=20 narrow path around Lake Saint Claire called what else, Lake St=20 Claire Road. You'll know it; it's filled with speed bumps and=20 17-20% grades up/down.=20 But what will give away this dangerous place is the roughly 15-ft=20 spillway at the end of the lake. It is made of cement and covered=20 with a 'lichenous' like algae that appears benign, but is in fact=20 as slick as ice. How do I know? Ask Sean. There is a speed bump just before the spillway, and as I was=20 leading we slowed to around 5-8mph. I judged there was maybe a .5=20 inch of water moving over it so decided to go for it. The first=20 thing I remember was that it felt as if I was hydra planing. Then=20 my rear tire started slipping and, as I tried to correct it, it slid=20 all the way to the right. In a dream state all I could muster=20 was, "FUCK". I was staring at the downstream end of the spill-way=20 (about 3-foot drop) and it flashed in my head, "how are we gonna get 670lb of motorcycle out of that!" =20 At that moment I made it to the end of the spillway and the tires=20 caught on not-slick cement. Pitch! I'm on the ground. I got up=20 and turned around to see Sean down as well in the swamp on the=20 upstream side of the spillway (soft landing) and everyone else=20 stopped mouths open. Again, in my best public relations shrill, I phrased, "FUCK!" as a=20 woman and her children were approaching from a beach head about 50=20 yards away. All this in a matter of seconds mind you. Damage to the ST1100, nominal. Tip-over wing on right side cracked,=20 mirror housing cracked, and right side pannier scuffed up. Damage to Seans F3, hard to tell with all that black duct tape :-) But seriously,=20 bent and dislocated rear-brake lever, bent handlebar end weight. This was just the most freakish thing to happen. There is a moral=20 though. If you come up to a spillway and are contemplating crossing,=20 get off the bike and walk it first. We finally made it up to the races around 6pm and the races finally started around 7:30pm. Very cool. The national slide heroes were all=20 out there. Best race, IMO, was between Scott Parker and the (sorry,=20 forgot the name) guy he was vying for fifth place in the Grand National. = =20 These guys where tooling at around 120mph and sliding, side by side=20 within inches for about 4 laps. Very exciting Home by 1am. And that's it. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 12:59:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11424 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16886; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06417 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:59:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, "'SCOTT Rush'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator On The Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, folks, as a new arrival to this group, please calm yourselves down. I've gotten a lot of great information from all of you, and I plan to squeeze in a ride or two with you in the future. Don't get on each other so hard; there's enough to worry about out there. By the way, I got my motorcycle license in Norfolk, Va., and the test essentially was drive around the building and park in a designated place. The trick that the instructor/examiner didn't tell you was that you were required to use your turn signal when pulling into the space; some prior recon on that issue saved my butt. > ---------- > From: SCOTT Rush[SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 12:12 PM > To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX; tgimer@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle > Operator OnThe Streets > > Todd, not sure whether this response was on my side on not. If it's > support, thanks, if it's not, oh well. > > As for Tom, I don't know where you took your test, but I took mine in > Pennsylvania. Part of the test is that you do 3 figure eights in a > designated area about the size of 2 parking spaces. I don't know about > you, but the FZR just wouldn't go slow enough and turn tight enough to get > the job done. As for my get off on the group ride, well EXCUUUSSSSEEEE me > for living. You mean to tell me you've never had an accident. Not one? > If not, then I want to shake your hand, NOT! You know, gravel is NOT our > friend. As for my not having a license, I bet there are quite a few > people on this list that don't have one yet. But a permit is just as > good. Some of the people who have responded kindly to my good news said > that they haven't gotten their license either. If you don't have either, > THEN it's a joke. My response to Glenn was that I had already taken the > MSF course in VA, however that doesn't help with a PA license. And I > thanked him for the advice. So, if this covers everything, go F$%K > yourself and don't rain on my parade. > > Scooter > > BTW you should include the person your responding to e-mail address in > your response along with the list address. People on the digest version > don't get it until the next day otherwise. Luckily for me I just switched > in time to see Todd's reponse. Learn how to e-mail. > > >>> Todd Peer 08/25/98 10:28AM >>> > > Say it like you see it Tom. Don't sugercoat. And I agree, what a > joke. > > T > > From: "Thomas H. Gimer" > >If you can't pass the test on the FZR, perhaps you should be riding a > Rebel > >or something like it on the street? Aren't you the guy who wrecked on a > >group ride about a month ago, then responded to Glenn Dysart's solid > advice > >by saying that you had already taken enough MSF classes? You didn't even > >have a license! What a joke. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush > >Well, after attempting my motorcycle test three times on my FZR 600, and > >failing miserably, I borrowed my aunt's Honda Rebel 250 and PASSED. :-) > >That thing was just made to do figure eight's. ;-) Although, it was a > >funny sight to see. Picture it, 6'3" body, white/red/black jacket, > gloves & > >helmet on a BRIGHT CANARY YELLOW Honda Rebel 250 where the seat just > BARELY > >came up above my knees. I had to ride with my feet on the back pegs > during > >the test so I wouldn't hit them on the handle bars. 8-0 Fourth times > the > >charm. > > > >Scooter > >Fully Licensed > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 13:15:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11462 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17195; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07299 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA18734; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:06:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" , Todd Peer Subject: Re: Treachery on the Waterways In-Reply-To: <19980825153239.RMIM618@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know that feeling from crossing a few washouts in northern Arizona in the rain. They had about 1"-2" of real fine silt underneath the flowing water. Fortunately, it wasn't quite as slick as the spillway you describe. But it was scary with a fully loaded GPz at night wi/other car traffic and a thunderstorm in the AZ desert. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 13:23:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11478 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17309; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07802 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WRYRa03887 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2caae1e1.35e2f2dc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:22:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Serious wheelie! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 8/25/98 10:31:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << George, I can quite honestly say that my wheelie on the Concours wasn't quite this high... >> I bet Todd on his ST would be able to pull it off... with the luggage on! Sean... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 13:25:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11490 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17335; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07882 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA24478; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:23:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825172348.TCJL611@localHost>; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:23:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" CC: tgimer@XXXXXX, "'SCOTT Rush'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator On The Streets X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825172348.TCJL611@localHost> Mitch Holmes wrote: >Hey, folks, as a new arrival to this group, please calm yourselves down. >I've gotten a lot of great information from all of you, and I plan to >squeeze in a ride or two with you in the future. Don't get on each other so >hard; there's enough to worry about out there. > >By the way, I got my motorcycle license in Norfolk, Va., and the test >essentially was drive around the building and park in a designated place. >The trick that the instructor/examiner didn't tell you was that you were >required to use your turn signal when pulling into the space; some prior >recon on that issue saved my butt. I admit it. The testing given by DMV can sometimes range over to the stupid. My test (way back when) consisted of riding around the parking lot and stopping. What a skill :) I guess, without changing the current established testing procedures DMV has, then I would implore everyone who has never taken an MSF course to do so. If you've been riding a long time and don't think there is anything to be gained, take the advanced riders course. It's one day, half of which is on the range. You WILL learn something. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 13:29:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11495 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17400; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08039 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p16dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.48]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05957; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: <05ac01bdd04e$028159e0$2ef31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "SCOTT Rush" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:30:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: SCOTT Rush To: ; Cc: Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe Streets Todd, not sure whether this response was on my side on not. If it's support, thanks, if it's not, oh well. As for Tom, I don't know where you took your test, but I took mine in Pennsylvania. Part of the test is that you do 3 figure eights in a designated area about the size of 2 parking spaces. I don't know about you, but the FZR just wouldn't go slow enough and turn tight enough to get the job done. Yeah right. Try leaning the bike, it'll turn easier. Maybe they teach that in the intermediate rider course. As for my get off on the group ride, well EXCUUUSSSSEEEE me for living. You mean to tell me you've never had an accident. Not one? If not, then I want to shake your hand, NOT! I've had 2. One my fault, one a cager's. But I'm not too proud to take another safety course. I wasn't criticizing your accident, just your belief that one safety course is all anyone needs. I don't care to shake your fucking hand anyway, with an attitude like that. You know, gravel is NOT our friend. As for my not having a license, I bet there are quite a few people on this list that don't have one yet. But a permit is just as good. Some of the people who have responded kindly to my good news said that they haven't gotten their license either. If you don't have either, THEN it's a joke. My response to Glenn was that I had already taken the MSF course in VA, however that doesn't help with a PA license. And I thanked him for the advice. So, if this covers everything, go F$%K yourself and don't rain on my parade. Sounds like a great little parade you're having too.... Scooter BTW you should include the person your responding to e-mail address in your response along with the list address. People on the digest version don't get it until the next day otherwise. Luckily for me I just switched in time to see Todd's reponse. Learn how to e-mail. Wow that was lucky. You would have missed out on a great opportunity to act like a prick. I know how to email. Just didn't see the need to respond to you personally. Next time I'll be glad to do so. BTW, Todd Peer wasn't supporting you. Read the message below again. >>> Todd Peer 08/25/98 10:28AM >>> Say it like you see it Tom. Don't sugercoat. And I agree, what a joke. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 13:44:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11561 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17650; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08681 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:45:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:45:04 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe Streets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well Tom, as they say "It Takes One To Know One." Next time, don't = criticize if you don't want an honest response. I normally don't have an = attitude, you just pissed me off on a bad day. BTW I took the MSF class = twice, once a year before I bought the bike and once a month before I = picked it up, just as a refresher. And it was on a Honda 250, which as I = said before, is much easier to turn doing a tight figure eight. Whenever = you feel like it, you can come and show me how I should have done it. = I'll mark off a couple parking spaces for you. Scooter >>> "Thomas H. Gimer" 08/25/98 01:30PM >>> -----Original Message----- From: SCOTT Rush To: ; Cc: Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnTh= e Streets Todd, not sure whether this response was on my side on not. If it's support, thanks, if it's not, oh well. As for Tom, I don't know where you took your test, but I took mine in Pennsylvania. Part of the test is that you do 3 figure eights in a designated area about the size of 2 parking spaces. I don't know about = you, but the FZR just wouldn't go slow enough and turn tight enough to get the job done. Yeah right. Try leaning the bike, it'll turn easier. Maybe they teach that in the intermediate rider course. As for my get off on the group ride, well EXCUUUSSSSEEEE me for living. = You mean to tell me you've never had an accident. Not one? If not, then I = want to shake your hand, NOT! I've had 2. One my fault, one a cager's. But I'm not too proud to take another safety course. I wasn't criticizing your accident, just your belief that one safety course is all anyone needs. I don't care to shake your fucking hand anyway, with an attitude like that. You know, gravel is NOT our friend. As for my not having a license, I bet there are quite a few people on this list that don't have one yet. But a permit is just as good. Some of the people who have responded kindly to = my good news said that they haven't gotten their license either. If you = don't have either, THEN it's a joke. My response to Glenn was that I had = already taken the MSF course in VA, however that doesn't help with a PA license. And I thanked him for the advice. So, if this covers everything, go F$%K yourself and don't rain on my parade. Sounds like a great little parade you're having too.... Scooter BTW you should include the person your responding to e-mail address in = your response along with the list address. People on the digest version don't get it until the next day otherwise. Luckily for me I just switched in = time to see Todd's reponse. Learn how to e-mail. Wow that was lucky. You would have missed out on a great opportunity= to act like a prick. I know how to email. Just didn't see the need to respond to you personally. Next time I'll be glad to do so. BTW, Todd Peer wasn't supporting you. Read the message below again. >>> Todd Peer 08/25/98 10:28AM >>> Say it like you see it Tom. Don't sugercoat. And I agree, what a joke. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 13:55:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11577 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17850; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09190 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 371; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <35E2FA94.3AEA65E4@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:55:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets References: <19980825160242.RURH618@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > I don't want to wait until they've caused damage to find out they couldn't > pass a roadcourse for the DMV! It might be me they crash into. Todd, I cordially invite you to ride down to the Manassas DMV (crap, I can't remember the name of the road it is on) with me someday and try to do the cone weave as marked out on the course out back with your big ol ST1100. If you can do it, I'll buy you a beverage of your choice (this offer is to Todd only). I've tried this particular course literally dozens of times, and I can't do it on the Concours. In fact, the only time I've ever let the bike fall has been on this course. Now, I've never taken the offishul DMV test here, but I sneak over and play around on the course after hours occasionally (practice, practice). I can do Leon's small circles on my Connie (he marked one out at the Spring Fling before the rains washed it away), but I can't get through this cone weave to save my soul on a big bike. I'm reasonably sure I could do it on my little 400 (never tried it though). My point is, the DMV has got to insure that the test is fair. I don't think this particular cone weave is. You decide. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 14:03:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11622 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17983; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09791 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 338; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:02:28 -0400 Message-ID: <35E2FC53.BE6D860@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:02:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator On The Streets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > > > The trick that the instructor/examiner didn't tell you was that you > were required to use your turn signal when pulling into the space; > some prior recon on that issue saved my butt Mitch, Hail and well met. This seems to me to be another bogus DMV test, I've never heard of *ANYONE* using a turn signal in a parking lot before turning into a space (unless the lot is full, and the car is hovering around like a buzzard waiting for a spot to open up. I guess sometimes it's not really a mystery why so many riders are unlicensed, they can't tolerate this bullcrap. My brother-in-law being one of them. He lives in PA where the DMV courses are offered for free, and he has yet to take one. !?! If he passes, he gets his license. He finds it *easier* to just re-apply for a learner's permit every summer. Go figure. Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 14:06:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11640 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18039; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09943 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:06:50 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247970@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: tight turns.. ATTN LEON Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:04:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Speaking of tight turns.. isn't it about time for Leon to show us how it's done? (er, ok.. so I head Collin was the man on the scene..) I missed it due to the lack of any vehicle last time round.. I'm prepared this time.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- I'll mark off a couple parking spaces for you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 14:13:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11683 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18115; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10315 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA03748; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825181243.SZNM618@localHost>; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:12:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825181243.SZNM618@localHost> Dale Horstman wrote: >Todd Peer wrote: >> >> I don't want to wait until they've caused damage to find out they couldn't >> pass a roadcourse for the DMV! It might be me they crash into. > >Todd, > >I cordially invite you to ride down to the Manassas DMV (crap, >I can't remember the name of the road it is on) with me someday >and try to do the cone weave as marked out on the course out back >with your big ol ST1100. If you can do it, I'll buy you a beverage >of your choice (this offer is to Todd only). You are ON! But you don't need to buy me a beverage. However if it's hot enough out, I'll take a Gatorade. How about if it's a nice afternoon tommorrow (meaning no rain)? Let's do some afternoon/evening riding afterwards. Get to show you my cool scars! btw, what do I get to call your connie, since 'big ol' is now taken. ;) (big ol) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 14:17:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11691 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18150; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10479 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 534; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:16:36 -0400 Message-ID: <35E2FFA3.785F8A3C@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:17:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Serious wheelie! References: <2caae1e1.35e2f2dc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > << George, > > I can quite honestly say that my wheelie on the Concours > wasn't quite this high... > >> > > I bet Todd on his ST would be able to pull it off... with the luggage on! > > Sean... Sean, I'll take that bet! Lessee, what's a fair wager to see Todd risk life, limb, and bike attempting to duplicate one of the most squidly acts we've seen in a long time? How about a dollar? (Ducking and running :) Hey Todd, if you pull the wheelie and ride through the cone weave at the DMV in Manassas, it doesn't count for the beverage of your choice. One wheel is cheatin'. :) Hell, now that I'm thinking about it, I'd buy you another drink to see that one too. Horkter Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 14:44:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11722 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18462; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11900 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-22.s22.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.22]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12827; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E3052C.D2AD701B@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:40:44 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Todd Peer , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets References: <19980825160242.RURH618@localHost> <35E2FA94.3AEA65E4@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then you wouldn't be able to ride your Connie out in Washington state. They grant licenses based on displacement: want a big bike, pass the test on it. They use the same tight cone weave course. One foot touches, you fail. Try it often enough and you'll figure out a neat counterbalance trick that will help for the low speed weaves... Have you ever seen the police bike rodeos or that school out west they have (kinda like "Top Gun" for police bikers) I've seen pics of them taking these behemoth police bikes loaded to the hilt (highway/light bars included) through an even tighter cone coarse...funny seeing the rider hanging off the other side to keep the bike going... Dale Horstman wrote: > I've tried this particular course literally dozens of times, and > I can't do it on the Concours. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 14:51:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11729 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18537; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12756 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-22.s22.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.22]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17836; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E3079C.D9981D1B@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:08 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCOTT Rush CC: tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe Streets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As for the personal pissing match...take it private. As for the tight circles, there is a fairly easy stategy ( I used it when we had our get together last fall and did Leon's circles...jeannette's VF500 definitely has as wide or wider a turning radius as an FZR). Method: Rather than use throttle to control speed (results in lashing and lurching as you get slower), ride the rear brake while maintaining solid chain tension in 1st gear. Then just counter lean and you can go till the pegs drag..even at near 0 speed. (and yess I will demonstrate if you like) Collin SCOTT Rush wrote: > > Well Tom, as they say "It Takes One To Know One." Next time, don't criticize if you don't want an honest response. I normally don't have an attitude, you just pissed me off on a bad day. BTW I took the MSF class twice, once a year before I bought the bike and once a month before I picked it up, just as a refresher. And it was on a Honda 250, which as I said before, is much easier to turn doing a tight figure eight. Whenever you feel like it, you can come and show me how I should have done it. I'll mark off a couple parking spaces for you. > > Scooter > > >>> "Thomas H. Gimer" 08/25/98 01:30PM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush > To: ; > Cc: > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe > Streets > > Todd, not sure whether this response was on my side on not. If it's > support, thanks, if it's not, oh well. > > As for Tom, I don't know where you took your test, but I took mine in > Pennsylvania. Part of the test is that you do 3 figure eights in a > designated area about the size of 2 parking spaces. I don't know about you, > but the FZR just wouldn't go slow enough and turn tight enough to get the > job done. > > Yeah right. Try leaning the bike, it'll turn easier. Maybe they > teach that in the intermediate rider course. > > As for my get off on the group ride, well EXCUUUSSSSEEEE me for living. You > mean to tell me you've never had an accident. Not one? If not, then I want > to shake your hand, NOT! > > I've had 2. One my fault, one a cager's. But I'm not too proud to > take another safety course. I wasn't criticizing your accident, just your > belief that one safety course is all anyone needs. I don't care to shake > your fucking hand anyway, with an attitude like that. > > You know, gravel is NOT our friend. As for my not having a license, I bet > there are quite a few people on this list that don't have one yet. But a > permit is just as good. Some of the people who have responded kindly to my > good news said that they haven't gotten their license either. If you don't > have either, THEN it's a joke. My response to Glenn was that I had already > taken the MSF course in VA, however that doesn't help with a PA license. > And I thanked him for the advice. So, if this covers everything, go F$%K > yourself and don't rain on my parade. > > Sounds like a great little parade you're having too.... > > Scooter > > BTW you should include the person your responding to e-mail address in your > response along with the list address. People on the digest version don't > get it until the next day otherwise. Luckily for me I just switched in time > to see Todd's reponse. Learn how to e-mail. > > Wow that was lucky. You would have missed out on a great opportunity > to act like a prick. I know how to email. Just didn't see the need to > respond to you personally. Next time I'll be glad to do so. > > BTW, Todd Peer wasn't supporting you. Read the message below again. > > >>> Todd Peer 08/25/98 10:28AM >>> > > Say it like you see it Tom. Don't sugercoat. And I agree, what a > joke. > > T -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 14:51:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11733 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18541; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12761 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zBOBk-0007Vu-00; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:28 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:50:28 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A3B@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: tight turns.. ATTN LEON Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:49:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ...but Collin was on my babyceptor!! How will anyone beat that record now that she's gone!?? LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 2:05 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: tight turns.. ATTN LEON > > Speaking of tight turns.. isn't it about time for Leon to show us how > it's done? (er, ok.. so I head Collin was the man on the scene..) I > missed it due to the lack of any vehicle last time round.. I'm > prepared > this time.. > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 14:56:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11746 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18615; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (known web4.rocketmail.com [205.180.57.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13000 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980825185259.22335.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [160.151.5.29] by web4; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:52:59 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Thompson Reply-To: jaynik@XXXXXX Subject: Later To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well folks. I've sold my FZR. Never rode it anyway! I'll get another in a few years after money gets right again. I'll be leaving this list. I appreciate all of the hospitality I've received from all of you. I only made it out to a couple gatherings, one being the tire mounting party I initiated at Leon's house and never changed my damned tires! (thanks to Leon for the opportunity) I've enjoyed all of the positive input I've received here. I just wish some of you would get off your high horse and stop dogging everyone else. Not everyone else is as "qualified" as you... I guess that's just human nature... maybe one day we'll get over that. Special thanks to Collin, Ursulina, Dale and Tracy (for the great party) and Jon Schumer (to whom I owe most everything mc related). Later, Jay _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:09:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11785 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18898; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14492 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA22746; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Dave Yates cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving In-Reply-To: <35E29713.787E4991@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had one wave back to me on 270... he was going N and I S. He looked almost shocked that I waved to him to begin with. I even wave to cops in cars... I actualy appreciate them doing their job. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Dave Yates wrote: > NOT to start another wave thread... BUT... > > Finally, after 7 years of riding, & waving at every single M/C cop I've > seen, a Md State bike cop waved back yesterday on 210 N in Indian Head. > Are they particular about who they wave to? Anyone else notice this? > > BTW anyone else caught in the Beltway backup at exit 24 outer loop? The > chopper landed about 0545 this morning. When I passed it looked pretty > grim, a small cage stuck up under the back of a tractor trailer. Of > course, an impatient cager cut me off > as traffic was clearing - SMHR ( shaking my helmet ruefully ). > > Dave > '90 ZX 11 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:14:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11796 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19013; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14899 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA24089 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825191328.TPDT618@localHost> for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:13:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: DC-Cycles 2nd annual..... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825191328.TPDT618@localHost> ....is right around the corner. I know it's hard to believe that it's been almost a year since our first gathering together. With your kind permission, I'd like to host the 2nd annual gathering again at my house. More details will follow, but keep October 24, 1998 opened. Last years gathering was October 18, so we would surely be celebrating an annual. There are a LOT of new names on the list since last year, and it'd be great to meet everyone face to face. There are also alot of old names out here too. Come out and scare the new faces half to death with your old faces :p Stay tuned. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:22:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11807 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19161; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15340 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA08812; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA08010; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA12022; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:21:46 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA12018; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:21:46 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDD022.EBD3BE70@XXXXXX>; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:21:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: tight turns.. ATTN LEON Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:15:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 33 TEXT Let's see if he can do it on my 454 or Virago 750?! Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 11:49 AM >To: 'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'; 'dc' >Subject: RE: tight turns.. ATTN LEON > >...but Collin was on my babyceptor!! How will anyone beat that record >now that she's gone!?? LOL > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 2:05 PM >> To: 'dc' >> Subject: tight turns.. ATTN LEON >> >> Speaking of tight turns.. isn't it about time for Leon to show us how >> it's done? (er, ok.. so I head Collin was the man on the scene..) I >> missed it due to the lack of any vehicle last time round.. I'm >> prepared >> this time.. >> >> Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >> US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >> Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:32:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11820 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19325; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16061 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 490; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:31:20 -0400 Message-ID: <35E3112A.3596E023@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:31:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" , Leon Begeman Subject: Re: tight turns.. ATTN LEON References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A3B@BADGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > ...but Collin was on my babyceptor!! How will anyone beat that record > now that she's gone!?? LOL > Leon might have something more intimidating than either his Super Moped or the John Deere next time. But mum's the word. :) I love keeping all you guys in suspense... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:34:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11831 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19388; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16376 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zBOrG-0005rk-00; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:34:22 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:33:22 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A49@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jaynik@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Later Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:32:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well said, doll, we hate to lose you!! Say goodbye to Niki as well. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Thompson [SMTP:jayn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 2:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Later > > Well folks. I've sold my FZR. Never rode it anyway! I'll get > another in a > few years after money gets right again. I'll be leaving this list. I > appreciate all of the hospitality I've received from all of you. I > only made > it out to a couple gatherings, one being the tire mounting party I > initiated > at Leon's house and never changed my damned tires! (thanks to Leon for > the > opportunity) I've enjoyed all of the positive input I've received > here. I > just wish some of you would get off your high horse and stop dogging > everyone > else. Not everyone else is as "qualified" as you... I guess that's > just human > nature... maybe one day we'll get over that. Special thanks to > Collin, > Ursulina, Dale and Tracy (for the great party) and Jon Schumer (to > whom I owe > most everything mc related). > > Later, > > Jay > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:40:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11842 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19494; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16798 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 291; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <35E3130F.4F7A8EDF@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:39:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets References: <19980825181243.SZNM618@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > How about if it's a nice afternoon tommorrow (meaning no rain)? > Let's do some afternoon/evening riding afterwards. Get to show you > my cool scars! Sounds do-able, what time did you have in mind? Am I gonna have to "get sick" tomorrow afternoon? :) I've been itching to try 211 again through the twisties, somehow in 13k miles, I haven't made it over there yet with the Concours. That might be a possible destination. > btw, what do I get to call your connie, since 'big ol' is now taken. How about "mean green lean machine" ? Heh, heh. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:44:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11858 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19577; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17271 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA11648; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35E313F6.103E878F@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:43:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: tight turns References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042247970@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Speaking of tight turns.. isn't it about time for Leon to show us how > it's done? (er, ok.. so I heard Collin was the man on the scene..) I > missed it due to the lack of any vehicle last time round.. I'm prepared > this time.. Sounds good to me. Saturday and Sunday the 12th and 13th of September in the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 on I-95. 10AM to 1PM. I'd be willing to change from this if I've scheduled it in the middle of some extremely important event. I had a contest ready for Horkster's party, that was a combination of the Virginia licensing test, some stuff copied from the Mid-Atlantic Police Rodeo, and whatever else I could dream up. But as was mentioned earlier, the rain washed all the markings away. I'll give away another motorcycle as a prize - - - or maybe not. Anyway, there will be at least one prize to win. Collin didn't have a bike when he won last time. He won it on Jeanette's bike. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > -----Original Message----- > > I'll mark off a couple parking spaces for you. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:46:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11870 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19613; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17362 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA23812 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825194556.TXJI618@localHost> for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:45:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire Changer X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825194556.TXJI618@localHost> I spoke with K&L Auto Supply today. They have the 'Monty S405 Tire Changer' that is somewhere near our price range ($2868.60 with tax and delivery charges). Speaking to Paul, I gleened this machine would be suitable for motorcycle as well as ATV tires. It will also take a Harley Davidson rim without having to remove the belt driven gear. It comes with clamping fixtures. Most of these companies want you to deal with a dealer, but will work with you if you explain we are making a group purchase (club?) and this is a single purchase. The price goes up at this point (need to pay taxes and all). We are currently looking at purchasing a new machine. If ANYONE has a lead on a used machine, that will be considered. My feeling on that though is, once the machine goes up for sale....it's gone. I have already inquired at Autotecknika on the web. Can some other volunteers step forward to make some calls on our behalf? I've included some of the companies that sell the machine below. Write to me to volunteer. Once we get a fair price, I will let everyone know what they should send and how we have decided to make this purchase equitable among those that are putting up the money. Oh, and as always, if you haven't pledged yet just let me know and I'll put you on the list. Todd Lift USA http://liftusa.com/accu/tirechangers.html Korean Made http://www.koreaeng.co.kr/tire.html Hunter Tire http://www.hunter.com/pub/product/tirechng/TIRECHNG.HTM Unitread http://www.unitread.com/ Hennessy http://www.hennessy-ind.com/mount.html#5030 Butler http://www.butler-eng.com/Site_Eng/classic.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 15:50:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11884 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19706; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17950 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 398; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:50:08 -0400 Message-ID: <35E3158C.8B3B4BFD@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:50:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: Todd Peer , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets References: <19980825160242.RURH618@localHost> <35E2FA94.3AEA65E4@tidalwave.net> <35E3052C.D2AD701B@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Try it often enough and you'll figure out a neat counterbalance trick > that will help for the low speed weaves... That's been why I keep going back. I figure sooner or later I'll get it. I did run through it once with a dragstrip start and way harsh cornering, exiting way to fast. I didn't figure that would pass either. :( But it was fun! :) I'm hoping it's just me. That's part of my strategy in gettin Todd out there on that course, I wanna see how he'll do it on his ST. Maybe I can learn something from him. Hell with maybe, I always learn something when I ride with Todd. Last time it was "bring your rain gear if it's gonna rain". Sorry Pal! :) > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > I've tried this particular course literally dozens of times, and > > I can't do it on the Concours. > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 16:01:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11900 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19927; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18878 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD" To: Dave Yates , "'Frank Artes'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M/C cops & waving Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:01:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain problem with that is sometimes you wave, they wonder "what's this wise aleck waving for" and they treat you with suspicious eyes for as long as you're in view...and don't be going their way...they may run your plates or pull you over to check things out. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be too polite to cops. jt > ---------- > From: Frank Artes[SMTP:falcor@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 3:09 PM > To: Dave Yates > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving > > I had one wave back to me on 270... he was going N and I S. He looked > almost shocked that I waved to him to begin with. I even wave to cops in > cars... I actualy appreciate them doing their job. > > -Frank > > > n > -- > falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE > > On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Dave Yates wrote: > > > NOT to start another wave thread... BUT... > > > > Finally, after 7 years of riding, & waving at every single M/C cop I've > > seen, a Md State bike cop waved back yesterday on 210 N in Indian Head. > > Are they particular about who they wave to? Anyone else notice this? > > > > BTW anyone else caught in the Beltway backup at exit 24 outer loop? The > > chopper landed about 0545 this morning. When I passed it looked pretty > > grim, a small cage stuck up under the back of a tractor trailer. Of > > course, an impatient cager cut me off > > as traffic was clearing - SMHR ( shaking my helmet ruefully ). > > > > Dave > > '90 ZX 11 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 16:02:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11908 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19951; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18912 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zBPIT-0002H6-00; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:02:29 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A4E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd annual..... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:00:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain YAY!! 3 days after my birthday!! : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 3:13 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: DC-Cycles 2nd annual..... > > > ....is right around the corner. I know it's hard to believe that it's > been almost a year since our first gathering together. With your kind > permission, I'd like to host the 2nd annual gathering again at my > house. > > More details will follow, but keep October 24, 1998 opened. Last > years > gathering was October 18, so we would surely be celebrating an annual. > > There are a LOT of new names on the list since last year, and it'd > be great to meet everyone face to face. There are also alot of old > names out here too. Come out and scare the new faces half to death > with your old faces :p > > Stay tuned. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 16:17:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11938 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20260; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19558 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc1-s42.wizard.net (tc1-s42.wizard.net [206.161.15.72]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24741; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:16:39 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Cone Weaves Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:20:51 -0400 Message-ID: <35e61af0.504208540@smtp.wizard.net> References: <19980825160242.RURH618@localHost> <35E2FA94.3AEA65E4@tidalwave.net> In-Reply-To: <35E2FA94.3AEA65E4@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:55:32 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >I cordially invite you to ride down to the Manassas DMV (crap, >I can't remember the name of the road it is on) with me someday >and try to do the cone weave as marked out on the course out back >with your big ol ST1100.=20 Is this similar to the offset cone weave in the MSF class? I tried the one marked out on the NOVA Loudoun parking lot with my GPZ. The first few times through I would have sworn it couldn't be done on a big bike. But, after at least 6 or 8 tries I was finally able to do it... without touching a foot down, and without running over the 1/2 tennis balls we were using as markers. I look forward to trying Leon's course on the 12th or 13th! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 16:29:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11960 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20432; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20222 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 411; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:28:18 -0400 Message-ID: <35E31E77.665FEFAB@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:28:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Cone Weaves References: <19980825160242.RURH618@localHost> <35E2FA94.3AEA65E4@tidalwave.net> <35e61af0.504208540@smtp.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > Is this similar to the offset cone weave in the MSF class? I tried > the one marked out on the NOVA Loudoun parking lot with my GPZ. The > first few times through I would have sworn it couldn't be done on a > big bike. But, after at least 6 or 8 tries I was finally able to do > it... without touching a foot down, and without running over the 1/2 > tennis balls we were using as markers. > I think it's similar, but it's pretty tight. It's also not quite exactly flat, there's a slight slope down from left to right as you are facing the cones. Not a big deal, but it's noticeable. Like I said, I think I could do it fairly easily on a smaller bike. It's much tougher with the Concours. I'll keep practicing on it. Dale Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 16:31:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11970 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20497; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20368 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:31:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQUCa02729 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c61e1be.35e31eff@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:30:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: M/C cops & waving Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 When my nephew was eight years old he started riding on the back of my bike. I told him that it was his job to wave at any motorcycle he saw. He was very enthusiastic about this chore. Almost everyone he waved to waved back, including cops. Colleen ps: he's 14 now and has a bike that his dad (my bother) thinks doesn't run. It runs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 16:32:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11976 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20518; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20420 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA29313; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825203137.UIUW618@localHost>; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:31:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: tight turns X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825203137.UIUW618@localHost> Leon Begeman wrote: >McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >> >> Speaking of tight turns.. isn't it about time for Leon to show us how >> it's done? (er, ok.. so I heard Collin was the man on the scene..) I >> missed it due to the lack of any vehicle last time round.. I'm prepared >> this time.. > >Sounds good to me. Saturday and Sunday the 12th and 13th of September >in the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 on I-95. 10AM to 1PM. I'd be >willing to change from this if I've scheduled it in the middle of some >extremely important event. If you count the WERA Regionals important then..... I'd love to practice your circles again Leon, but that weekend is the seasons end for motorcycle racing at Summit Point. Can't miss that one. If the following weekend is ok, I'd be willing to help you set it up, or with whatever else. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 16:51:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11990 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20781; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21474 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA20906; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:49:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825204928.VBNU611@localHost>; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:49:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825204928.VBNU611@localHost> Dale Horstman wrote: >Sounds do-able, what time did you have in mind? Am I gonna >have to "get sick" tomorrow afternoon? :) > >I've been itching to try 211 again through the twisties, >somehow in 13k miles, I haven't made it over there yet >with the Concours. That might be a possible destination. In that case, let's forget the cones altogether. It takes about an hour from ManAssAss to get to Sperryville, and that's all major arteries. I got a simple route froms Gainsville (sr55) to Marshall (647) to FlintHill (606/628) to Washington (211), over the mountain after Sperryville and into Luray (675) to Kings Crossing (678) to Elizebeths Furnace (619) to Front Royal (340 to 55) to home. We did most of this on that one Rainy assed day together. Wx permitting, I'd be up for this one. About 4-5 hours long. >> btw, what do I get to call your connie, since 'big ol' is now taken. > >How about "mean green lean machine" ? Heh, heh. :) Bwahhaahhaahaahaaha! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 16:52:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11997 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20791; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21528 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:52:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:52:17 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: hgg@XXXXXX=20 X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX=20 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:41:28 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" At 09:05 AM 8/20/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >How OLD are those guys now? Around the same time there was another series on briefly about a crimefighting motorcyclist on a heavily armed bike. I remember that show. It was called StreetHawk. That's the kind of bike = we need now. Built in machine guns, lazer and Turbo Boost. 8-0 Scooter Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm=20 "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 18:18:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12149 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00586; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23822 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id TLMFa22587; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <642f068a.35e32cd5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:29:32 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX, SRUSH@XXXXXX Cc: tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe Streets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 The Italian (common in most European countries) system is to allow 50cc and under bikes and scooters to be ridden by 14 year olds without a license.. By the time you are 16 you are quite capable of passing the riding test and the only problem is the theoritical oral and fairly comprehensive written test required for a 125cc bike. By the time you are 18 and eligible for a 34 HP bike (over 125cc) you can easily pass the ridden test for this class of bike which are constricted bikes of 250-500 cc. By the time you are 21 and have ridden a less than 34HP bike for at least 2 years you are finally able to buy a big bike and are quite capable of riding bikes which are unlimited in HP. It's a nice progressive system although it prevents 16 year olds from riding 80+ HP bikes, and that is a big market in the U.S. Another advantage is that you can road-race, trial and/or motocross with your 50cc when you are 14 and ride it on the road because it's tough for the police to gauge (and they look the other way) whether or not you have modified your 50cc. My Italjet road-racer (in 1965) would do about 110 Kph if I laid flat on the tank. I think the maximum legal limit for 50ccs without a license is (was) 60 Kph. LOL Ciao, Aldredo (Fred) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 18:18:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12154 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00623; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22391 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-22.s22.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.22]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04411; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E326A4.A62FD1E7@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:03:32 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Leon Begeman , "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: tight turns References: <19980825203137.UIUW618@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The weekend following that is the final CCS at Road Atlanta, and for once, I might actually have enough money to go down there and compete!!!... I know..that only affects me, but..... If any other date is open.... Todd Peer wrote: > If the following weekend is ok, I'd be willing to help you set it up, > or with whatever else. _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 18:18:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12158 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00629; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22860 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:17:20 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:17:08 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: US Bombed Who? haha & bike sold! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX=20 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:24 -0400 Subject: Re: US Bombed Who? haha & bike sold! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Am I the only one who thinks it's totally ridiculous that "lewinsky" is = now a household word? Whats next? That big "sczrywynniecz" affair? ;-) Who? Polish at heart, -Doug "Bring on the halushki, pierogies, and kolbasi...and someone switch the TV to channel 4 so we can watch the Stillers!" I knew there was another Pollock out there somewhere. I just hadd all of = that last week. Man, can my Grandmother cook. I think I gained 20 lbs. = :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 18:29:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12166 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01247; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27179 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:28:19 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6XKAa03745; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:26:55 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Motorcyclists for Ellen Sauerbrey (R) - Terry McGuire (D) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_904084016_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_904084016_boundary Content-ID: <0_904084016@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_904084016_boundary Content-ID: <0_904084016@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Return-path: Cc: mhenderson@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcyclists for Ellen Sauerbrey (R) - Terry McGuire (D) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:28:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Riders should know that these two candidates for governor support free choice for riders. Helmets may make good sense, but helmet laws take a way a riders choice. These two tend to believe in that position. Unfortunately, Glendening is probably gonna beat McGuire. That still gives riders an advocate in the general election (Sauerbrey). Ellen Sauerbry is asking for motorcyclists to make an appearance in some of her caravans on weekends. I need to identify riders who would like to be part of the Sauerbrey caravans (next one is in AA County shortly). Please let me know if you are interested and I'll give you a heads up before the runs. Also, if you are members of any (and I mean ANY) riding clubs, please present this information to your Presidents, public relations guys or communications chairmen. (If your organization is non-political, fine - BUT, please give your members the option to decide ((let those who ride......decide.....)) whether or not they want to get involved. SUMMARY. If you want to ride for Sauerbrey or McGuire as part of their campign caravans, e.mail me back. Thanks. Bill Gawthrop, 410-451-2610. --part0_904084016_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 18:33:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12172 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01353; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27361 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra1-10.dial.nova.org (ra1-10.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.170]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA13870; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: SCOTT Rush Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:34:46 GMT Message-ID: <35e43bbb.518686333@beta.nova.org> References: <35E3079C.D9981D1B@geocities.com> In-Reply-To: <35E3079C.D9981D1B@geocities.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:51:08 -0400, "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: >As for the tight circles, there is a fairly easy stategy ( I used it >when we had our get together last fall and did Leon's >circles...jeannette's VF500 definitely has as wide or wider a turning >radius as an FZR). >Method: Rather than use throttle to control speed (results in lashing >and lurching as you get slower), ride the rear brake while maintaining >solid chain tension in 1st gear. Then just counter lean and you can go >till the pegs drag..even at near 0 speed. (and yess I will demonstrate >if you like) The throttle does have some value in really tight 1st gear stuff though. Get off the throttle completely and the bike falls right over. Of course, you don't want it to fall all the way... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 18:44:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12199 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20791; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21528 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:52:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:52:17 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: hgg@XXXXXX=20 X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX=20 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:41:28 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Speaking of Ponch and Jon Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" At 09:05 AM 8/20/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >How OLD are those guys now? Around the same time there was another series on briefly about a crimefighting motorcyclist on a heavily armed bike. I remember that show. It was called StreetHawk. That's the kind of bike = we need now. Built in machine guns, lazer and Turbo Boost. 8-0 Scooter Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm=20 "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 18:48:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12207 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20781; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21474 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA20906; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:49:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980825204928.VBNU611@localHost>; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:49:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980825204928.VBNU611@localHost> Dale Horstman wrote: >Sounds do-able, what time did you have in mind? Am I gonna >have to "get sick" tomorrow afternoon? :) > >I've been itching to try 211 again through the twisties, >somehow in 13k miles, I haven't made it over there yet >with the Concours. That might be a possible destination. In that case, let's forget the cones altogether. It takes about an hour from ManAssAss to get to Sperryville, and that's all major arteries. I got a simple route froms Gainsville (sr55) to Marshall (647) to FlintHill (606/628) to Washington (211), over the mountain after Sperryville and into Luray (675) to Kings Crossing (678) to Elizebeths Furnace (619) to Front Royal (340 to 55) to home. We did most of this on that one Rainy assed day together. Wx permitting, I'd be up for this one. About 4-5 hours long. >> btw, what do I get to call your connie, since 'big ol' is now taken. > >How about "mean green lean machine" ? Heh, heh. :) Bwahhaahhaahaahaaha! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 19:51:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12273 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03102; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29715; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA26515; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E378C8.853@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:54:00 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Mantakos CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: References: <199808252300.TAA02045@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Mantakos wrote: Harry, this is what I get from DC-Cycles (d-mode). Please rectify. ============================================================== To DC-Cycle types... Anyone on the list that knows someone in D-Mode? If so, I'll take today's Digest... Mucho gracias, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 19:58:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12284 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03201; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29848 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-87-231.s231.tnt6.brd.erols.com [207.172.87.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21431 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808252358.TAA21431@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Re: GSX-R Update Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:00:19 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a repost. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Roy D. Turner > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: GSX-R Update > Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 8:59 PM > > Today I managed to ride 360 miles on my new 98 GSX-R 750. Went to Pierce's > Barbecue near Williamsburg by way of back roads. My buddy Kevin kept me > company on his 91 VFR 750. Total mileage is now 675. On Monday I plan to > put in the shop at Coleman's in Woodbridge for the required 600 mile > service check. I agree with Collin that it is not as comfortable as an F3. > However, it is quite tolerable, and when I hit 8K rpms it takes off like a > rocket ship. Its amazing what an additional 150cc can do!! Anyone know > how many miles I can expect out of my 207s? They stick like glue. Once I > hit 1k miles I can redline it. Can't wait to see what happens!!! Hope to > join some of you on a group ride soon. Roy D. Turner, Esq. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 20:49:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12356 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03934; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (known smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00853 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:47:45 -0400 Sender: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (user-38lcmhg.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.48]) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with SMTP id UAA11116 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980825205027.006b6a78@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:50:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: More Biker Madness Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the AP: Trucker Shootings May Be Linked By Gary Garrison Associated Press Writer Tuesday, August 25, 1998; 6:51 p.m. EDT DALLAS (AP) -- Investigators from two cities believe that the same gun-wielding motorcyclist fatally shot two truck drivers in separate attacks 10 miles and 40 minutes apart in the Dallas area. Police in the northern suburb of Plano were working to identify the man who shot a trucker on U.S. 75 just before midnight Monday. Dallas detectives also were trying to find the biker who rolled into a gas station at about 12:30 a.m. Tuesday and gunned down another trucker. Investigators said they have not established a motive for the slayings. ``It appears that it was just cold-blooded murder,'' Dallas police spokesman Sgt. Jim Chandler said of the second killing. ``But we believe that the two incidents are related as we believe the suspect is the same.'' The victims were identified as 36-year-old Robert Stephen Everett of Marshfield, Mo., and Nicolas A. Velasquez, 62, of Irving. A witness to the second shooting, David Degnon, 35, said he was walking to the service station to get a snack when he saw a dark-colored motorcycle roll slowly up to a gas delivery driver who was standing near his truck. The man on the motorcycle pulled up and fired four or five times into the Velasquez's side, Degnon said. He died several hours later at a hospital. ``It seems like the guy was just a sitting duck,'' Degnon said. ``The guy was just earning his living, like all of us do, and it was just like, `Boom, boom, boom.''' Copyright 1998 The Associated Press Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 20:55:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12366 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03984; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00952 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-22.s22.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.22]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19751; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E35C97.1EB71E6A@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:53:44 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GSX-R Update References: <199808252358.TAA21431@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy D. Turner wrote: > I agree with Collin that it is not as comfortable as an > F3. > > Actually, the 96+ are quite comfy to me. ALl my early comfort comments were based on 4.5 years on a 93 model where they put a vinyly covering on a piece of plywood for a seat ;-) >and when I hit 8K rpms it takes off like > a > > rocket ship. Understatement of the century!!! I just went up two teeth in the rear on my 97 for the track... I'm hoping it does the trick and does what I want it to do... > Anyone know > > how many miles I can expect out of my 207s? Tough question to answer. Craig can probably best answer it since I've never run any street comp 207s. He rides as hard as anyone I've met on the street, and I think he said he was getting about 4k per set. THat's about the same as I got on 204 fronts and double what I got on 204 rears. On my heavy 93 model, the Avon Azarros were the best tire I've ever used, and they lasted twice as long as anything else (but just like any other tire, they had almost full tread depth in the centers when I threw them in the garbage). Craig said they didn't fair too well on the TL1000...YMMV I suppose. We saw a 98 out on Sunday, but he was solo, and wearing no protective gear...doubt it was you (way south in VA...along 250 somehwere) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 21:30:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12406 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04406; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01575 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15548; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12631; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:29:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from harry@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199808260129.VAA12631@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: "John C. Kozyn" cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:54:00 PDT." <35E378C8.853@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:29:30 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Harry, this is what I get from DC-Cycles (d-mode). Please rectify. > >============================================================== > >To DC-Cycle types... > >Anyone on the list that knows someone in D-Mode? If so, I'll take >today's Digest... More fallout from the system upgrade at UMD. The problem has been fixed, and today's digest has been resent out. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 22:02:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12428 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04683; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02016 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:03 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "SCOTT Rush" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed MotorcycleOperator OnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:57:56 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01bdd094$f1f5d8c0$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Sounds vaguely like the test my father had to take in the late 60's in Md. Couldn't pass it the first time. But there was no MSF back then. Only choice was to ride illegal for about 1000 miles, then retake the test (after cussing out the guy on the stupidity of the test, he drew the guy the second time he took it, but passed). Must be why he always does a half dozen figure 8's on bikes he's just about to ride. As far as Md licensing tests, I'd be happy if they made you take the MSF:RSS test. While not perfect, it's far better than the Md. state test, and the swerve and roll on testing do vaguely approximate real life situations. With not a whole lot more square footage than maryland's crappy test, there could be at least a semi-real test. As for my brother, he's given up until next summer. Right now, he's going to be riding out the storm in Myrtle Beach. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Thanks for the support. I took mine in PA. They require you to > do 3 figure eights in an area about the size of 2 parking spaces > without putting your foot down, going outside the area, etc. > REAL hard to do when your bike doesn't want to go that slow or > turn that tight. As for your brothers sense of balance, I have > no depth perception. Makes for real interesting riding. ;-) > Thankfully, I've learned to compensate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 22:02:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12429 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04687; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02026 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:08 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "SCOTT Rush" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:00 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01bdd094$f3cbd140$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <05ac01bdd04e$028159e0$2ef31bce@richard> > As for Tom, I don't know where you took your test, but I took mine in > Pennsylvania. Part of the test is that you do 3 figure eights in a > designated area about the size of 2 parking spaces. I don't know > about you, > but the FZR just wouldn't go slow enough and turn tight enough to get the > job done. That sir, is horseshit. Ride the clutch, use the friction zone, whatever you call it, it can be done. Just for kicks, I proved this to my brother last year. He complained that my Kawi wouldn't go slow enough. I gave it some gas, pulled the clutch in partway, and was able to do figure eights, slow movements, just about anything. Even on that unwieldy bike, I can balance for a second at a stop sign. I've even taken my Wing through the testing area, just to prove that it can be done. And while it ain't easy, it can be done. It's just a matter of practice. Any bike ('cept maybe a boss hogg) can do it. And yes, it's easier on the Rebel and CB250. But it can be done on other bikes. > As for my get off on the group ride, well EXCUUUSSSSEEEE me for > living. You > mean to tell me you've never had an accident. Not one? If not, > then I want > to shake your hand, NOT! Since I may have been outta town when you accident occured, I can't comment. But, I haven't been in an accident. (Not counting slow speed parking lot stupidity). Don't ever plan on being one. And I don't believe that there are two types of riders. > You know, gravel is NOT our friend. As for my not having a license, I bet > there are quite a few people on this list that don't have one yet. But a > permit is just as good. Some of the people who have responded > kindly to my > good news said that they haven't gotten their license either. If > you don't > have either, THEN it's a joke. My response to Glenn was that I > had already > taken the MSF course in VA, however that doesn't help with a PA license. > And I thanked him for the advice. So, if this covers everything, go F$%K > yourself and don't rain on my parade. Gravel is gravel. My first street ride after getting a bike didn't start until going down a one mile dirt road. Just gotta trust the bike. As far as gravel in turns... Don't go so fast that you have to worry about it, or go slow enough that you have enough traction cushion to dodge the gravel. In Maryland, a permit is not as good as a license. A permit only means that you passed the law test. License means you have passed the riding portion. Now, granted, I disagree with the importance of the riding portion, but it does test enough that you shouldn't have any problems in parking lots, stopped traffic, etc. As far as telling anybody to go F themself on the list, hey, I've been tempted. Might have even said it to Glenn when we arguing about buying mail order. But it's really uncalled for. You gotta remember that not only are we looking out for our own safety, but yours. There is a small pool of bikers from which to draw insurance. Every accident that you get into raises our rates. In addition, it raises our profile, and makes us appear more dangerous to 'the man'. And while I don't think that I'd gain anything more from the RSS, I think I would gain a lot from the ERC. And since you haven't passed the licensing test, I think the RSS would help TREMENDOUSLY. The RSS covers all of that low speed stuff (and more) which, if you (like my brother) can't pass the licensing stuff, you'll get plenty of practice, a little lower insurance rate, and possibly the chance to take the test on one of those itty-bitty 250's that are perfectly made for the test. Not only that, but you get to hang out with people who dig bikes for three days. All for only $50. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 22:02:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12434 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04691; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02030 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:09 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:05 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bdd094$f6e85380$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <35E2FA94.3AEA65E4@tidalwave.net> Cone weave in Md is easy. Straight line of cones 10 feet apart or so. The MSF cone weave, however, was a bitch. Offset cones about half the distance away. What is the VA cone test like? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 22:02:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12439 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04696; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02033 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:11 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: tight turns.. ATTN LEON Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bdd094$f7ca2800$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A3B@BADGE> Leon's Ninja? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > ...but Collin was on my babyceptor!! How will anyone beat that record > now that she's gone!?? LOL > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 2:05 PM > > To: 'dc' > > Subject: tight turns.. ATTN LEON > > > > Speaking of tight turns.. isn't it about time for Leon to show us how > > it's done? (er, ok.. so I head Collin was the man on the scene..) I > > missed it due to the lack of any vehicle last time round.. I'm > > prepared > > this time.. > > > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 22:02:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12443 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04699; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02037 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: More Biker Madness Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:08 -0400 Message-ID: <004101bdd094$f8cd8e40$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980825205027.006b6a78@pop.mindspring.com> First thing I thought when I saw this was that some jackass trucker tried to run the bike off the road, and he got the justice he deserved. Even if that is the case, we'll never hear about it... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 22:02:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12445 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04702; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02041 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:14 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "Roy D. Turner" Cc: Subject: RE: GSX-R Update Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:09 -0400 Message-ID: <004201bdd094$f99e99e0$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <35E35C97.1EB71E6A@geocities.com> What size tires do you use? Maybe we can swap halfway through the tire. I'll finish wearing the middle, and you can start wearing out the outsides of mine:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > On my heavy 93 model, the Avon Azarros were the best tire I've ever > used, and they lasted twice as long as anything else (but just like any > other tire, they had almost full tread depth in the centers when I threw > them in the garbage). Craig said they didn't fair too well on the > TL1000...YMMV I suppose. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 22:49:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12534 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05225; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.clark.net (known postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02847 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18816; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA20931; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808260248.WAA20931@loas.clark.net> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:26:01 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: tight turns.. ATTN LEON In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A3B@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Whaddya mean, gone?!? Just driving around greener pastures... :) MET At 02:49 PM 8/25/98 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >...but Collin was on my babyceptor!! How will anyone beat that record >now that she's gone!?? LOL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 25 22:55:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12540 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05330; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02963 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFa0011435 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:53:14 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ca4f9b1.35e3789e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:53:14 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I appreciate what they as well except for one area. Speed traps and speeding tickets. Most of the time they just pull someone over who is driving dangerously or wrecklessly and is quite in control. They are just trying to line their pockets. In a message dated 8/25/98 3:24:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, falcor@XXXXXX writes: > > I had one wave back to me on 270... he was going N and I S. He looked > almost shocked that I waved to him to begin with. I even wave to cops in > cars... I actualy appreciate them doing their job. > > -Frank > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 00:54:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13161 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06867; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05745 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXQHa02729 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <176a2310.35e39450@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:51:27 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Antietam Poker Run Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This is a repost because I think it never got out over the weekend. On Sunday (the 30th) there will be a Poker Run in Hagerstown, MD hosted by the Antietam Motorcycle Club. Info is at: http://members.aol.com/AntietamMC/archrun.html If anyone is interested in going, and want to ride up together (in a group?) let me know! I'd be willing to lead a group up if the need arises (not fast or too twisty). Have fun and safe riding! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 00:56:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13169 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06883; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05778 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WRJVa13456 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f0455ad.35e394f9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Officially gone! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, the drama of the Nighthawk is finally over!! I sold it to a guy in Great Falls, VA (very nice roads out that way, BTW). It's a done deal, money in the bank, insurance canceled, title signed over, etc!!!! It's not coming back!!!! Whew. Anyway, I'm now a one bike man. :) Thanks to all those that looked at it! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 07:34:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13908 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11015; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11038 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04134 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:31:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Honda Oil Filters Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:31:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Come on, aren't any more of you Honda folks interested in getting your oil filters for less then what they cost around here? I've only had a handful of people respond to me so far. If I can't get enough people interested then I won't be doing the group buy. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 98 VFR800 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 08:26:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13957 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11579; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12021 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261225.IAA12021@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AECF8501FC; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:54 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:29:57 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets In-Reply-To: <002801bdd035$9289f240$2080e2cf@demon> References: <056a01bdd028$17836c00$2ef31bce@richard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:35 AM 8/25/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Not sure where you took your test, but the MD test doesn't exactly do the >greatest job of preparing you for street riding. My brother has probably >ridden about 2000 miles or more in the past year. I trust him on the street. >He's a timid rider, but safe. I'd trust him on the road. However, due to >some bad genetics and a slight birth defect, he has the world's worst sense >of balance. Throw in severe test anxiety, and he's failed the MD licensure >test three times. BFD if he can't do the straight line balance test, or a >cone weave. He can anticipate traffic and position himself in a lane to >remain conspicuous. Which is more important in your riding? As a Maryland instructor for 8 years, and having tested riders for their Maryland motorcycle operators license for 4 years, I''ll take this question. Yes, the riding test could be more demanding. But I don't think anyone believes the motorcycle test guarantees competence on a bike any more than the car test guarantees competence in a car. What it does do is it weeds out the people who think they can ride and can't. Negotiating a cone weave, showing balance in a slow ride and using both brakes merely show that the rider probably has enough basic skills to survive on the street as he/she learns the rest of the needed skills. It also puts some stress on the rider. Riding while being observed by a guy with a clipboard is nothing compared to avoiding a brain-dead cager who cut you off. Passing the test does not guarantee competence, but I believe that someone who can't pass the test is not a safe rider. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 08:26:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13956 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11576; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12017 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261225.IAA12017@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AED28501FC; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:54 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:18:04 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle OperatorOnThe Streets In-Reply-To: <003e01bdd094$f3cbd140$2080e2cf@demon> References: <05ac01bdd04e$028159e0$2ef31bce@richard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:58 PM 8/25/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >> but the FZR just wouldn't go slow enough and turn tight enough to get the >> job done. > >That sir, is horseshit. Ride the clutch, use the friction zone, whatever you >call it, it can be done. Just for kicks, I proved this to my brother last >year. He complained that my Kawi wouldn't go slow enough. I gave it some >gas, pulled the clutch in partway, and was able to do figure eights, slow >movements, just about anything. Even on that unwieldy bike, I can balance >for a second at a stop sign. I've even taken my Wing through the testing >area, just to prove that it can be done. And while it ain't easy, it can be >done. It's just a matter of practice. Any bike ('cept maybe a boss hogg) can >do it. And yes, it's easier on the Rebel and CB250. But it can be done on >other bikes. Agreed. I had a fellow instructor who would ride the operator's test course in his GoldWing to keep people from whining about the test. I used to regularly do figure-8's in the U-turn box. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 08:26:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13955 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11575; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12015 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261225.IAA12015@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEC88501FC; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:53 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:15:13 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Finally Legal - Another Fully Licensed Motorcycle Operator OnThe Streets In-Reply-To: <003f01bdd094$f6e85380$2080e2cf@demon> References: <35E2FA94.3AEA65E4@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:58 PM 8/25/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Cone weave in Md is easy. Straight line of cones 10 feet apart or so. The >MSF cone weave, however, was a bitch. Offset cones about half the distance >away. The Maryland motorcycle operator test has cones 10 ft. apart, in a straight line. The MSF test uses cones 15 ft. apart, with a 3 ft. offset (in the course, there's also another offset weave, with the cones 20 ft. apart with a 5 ft. offset). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 08:54:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13980 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11896; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12636 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA12327 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:54:51 -0400 Message-ID: <35E40589.55C70336@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:54:33 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD wrote: > > problem with that is sometimes you wave, they wonder "what's this wise aleck > waving for" and they treat you with suspicious eyes for as long as you're in > view...and don't be going their way...they may run your plates or pull you > over to check things out. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be too polite to > cops. What are you trying to do with the wave? If you want him to remember you, wave. If you want to try to remain inconspicuous don't. I figure most cops know a little more than most people about identifying vehicles, and as much as I ride, they'd remember any bike I rode. Therefore I ride something conspicuous and also wave. If the cop I went past in January sees me speeding in September, maybe I'll get away with a warning instead of a ticket. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 08:56:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13985 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11914; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12673 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA14494; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Cone Weaves In-Reply-To: <35e61af0.504208540@smtp.wizard.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII During our MSF class the lead instrctor took his gold wing out on the course and rand the off set cones better then any of us could do with the little 250s. I was really impressed... granted he did scrape something once, but hell... it was still someting to see. n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:55:32 -0400, Dale Horstman > wrote: > > >I cordially invite you to ride down to the Manassas DMV (crap, > >I can't remember the name of the road it is on) with me someday > >and try to do the cone weave as marked out on the course out back > >with your big ol ST1100. > > Is this similar to the offset cone weave in the MSF class? I tried > the one marked out on the NOVA Loudoun parking lot with my GPZ. The > first few times through I would have sworn it couldn't be done on a > big bike. But, after at least 6 or 8 tries I was finally able to do > it... without touching a foot down, and without running over the 1/2 > tennis balls we were using as markers. > > I look forward to trying Leon's course on the 12th or 13th! > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 09:40:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14024 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12639; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brap-2.cais.net (known brap-2.cais.net [205.252.14.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13583 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (ppp24.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.24]) by brap-2.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16506 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980826093752.006af2c0@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:37:52 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Treachery on the Waterways In-Reply-To: <19980825153239.RMIM618@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to hear about your spill, glad you're okay, and it wasn't too bad. I imagine my bike would have been swimming in the downstream side of the spill-way. Ughh! SNIP_------------------------------ At 11:18 AM 8/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >There is a speed bump just before the spillway, and as I was >leading we slowed to around 5-8mph. I judged there was maybe a .5 >inch of water moving over it so decided to go for it. The first >thing I remember was that it felt as if I was hydra planing. Then >my rear tire started slipping and, as I tried to correct it, it slid >all the way to the right. In a dream state all I could muster >was, "FUCK". I was staring at the downstream end of the spill-way >(about 3-foot drop) and it flashed in my head, "how are we gonna get >670lb of motorcycle out of that!" > >At that moment I made it to the end of the spillway and the tires >caught on not-slick cement. Pitch! I'm on the ground. I got up >and turned around to see Sean down as well in the swamp on the >upstream side of the spillway (soft landing) and everyone else >stopped mouths open. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 09:50:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14040 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12743; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13755 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09825 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA03879; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980826134953.XKSX611@localHost>; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:49:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Honda Oil Filters X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980826134953.XKSX611@localHost> Glenn, Maybe if everyone knew what the cost would be for say, 20, 30, 50 filters and the corresponding unit cost, then you'd have more buyers. Todd __________original___________ Come on, aren't any more of you Honda folks interested in getting your oil filters for less then what they cost around here? I've only had a handful of people respond to me so far. If I can't get enough people interested then I won't be doing the group buy. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 98 VFR800 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 10:15:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14076 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13087; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14482 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:12:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Officially gone! Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:12:32 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01bdd0fb$90c8f660$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3f0455ad.35e394f9@aol.com> Did you make sure and remind him that attempts to return the motorcycle will result in a greeting from a very large shotgun? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Well, the drama of the Nighthawk is finally over!! I sold it to a > guy in Great > Falls, VA (very nice roads out that way, BTW). It's a done deal, > money in the > bank, insurance canceled, title signed over, etc!!!! It's not > coming back!!!! > Whew. Anyway, I'm now a one bike man. :) Thanks to all those that > looked at > it! > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 10:31:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14110 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13424; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known [199.122.55.11] [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14970 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:31:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Leon Begeman'" Subject: RE: M/C cops & waving Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:31:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain This is really a test message to see if I entered this right in my address book. But for my two cents worth, I wave (or at least nod, depending on safety concerns) at all motorcyclists I pass on the highway, including Harley riders, who rarely acknowledge my 1986 Honda Magna. > ---------- > From: Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 8:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving > > Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD wrote: > > > > problem with that is sometimes you wave, they wonder "what's this wise > aleck > > waving for" and they treat you with suspicious eyes for as long as > you're in > > view...and don't be going their way...they may run your plates or pull > you > > over to check things out. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be too polite to > > cops. > > What are you trying to do with the wave? If you want him to remember > you, wave. If you want to try to remain inconspicuous don't. > > I figure most cops know a little more than most people about identifying > vehicles, and as much as I ride, they'd remember any bike I rode. > Therefore I ride something conspicuous and also wave. If the cop I went > past in January sees me speeding in September, maybe I'll get away with > a warning instead of a ticket. > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 10:44:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14132 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13625; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15485 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12334 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Honda Oil Filters Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:43:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well the prices aren't as good as I thought I could get but I could call around to other places. So far its $6.53 each. That was with a quantity of 25 small Honda filters (for the newer bikes) and 25 of large Honda filter (for the older bikes). Glenn > Maybe if everyone knew what the cost would be for say, 20, 30, 50 > filters and the corresponding unit cost, then you'd have more buyers. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 11:04:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14166 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14090; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17039 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAFa011436 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <600d551a.35e423ce@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:03:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 8/25/98 7:02:17 AM, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: <> they never wave back at me either ...... :( Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 11:20:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14196 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14365; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17540 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28415 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1166741@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Racing at Summi Pt this weekend Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:21:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm a little lazy and didn't feel like re-typing all this, so I'm sending what I passed aroound at work... Several listers racing, two of which are making their debut. Several other listers are dedicated corner workers (who get in free and fed BTW). Come on out and join us. A good time WILL be had :) CT RACING ACTION THIS WEEKEND: This weekend (AUG-29-30) is a regional Championship Cup Series motorcycle roadracing event. I will be competing in four events this weekend and cordially invite anyone with an interest out to enjoy some good weather (I hope), great racing, and meet some really nice people. The track is located about 1 hour west of DC in Summit Point, WV. (Halfway between Charlestown, WV and Berryville, VA). The 2 mile road course is set in the woods and has fairly nice facilities. The gates will be open early on Friday and the camping is pretty good. The cafeteria is one of the better trackside eateries, and there are fixed restroom/shower facilities (although hot water is not guarantee ;-)). For moor information on the track, racing organization, and directions, check out these two links: http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/ http://marrc.nova.org/index.htm To see a couple of pictures of me in action doing the racing thing, look at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html The gate fee is $20 ($18 if purchased in advance at any locl m/c shop...lots of em in the area) for the entire weekend. Unfortunately, they don't have a one day only price. Bring sunscreen and plenty to drink. My pit area will have a cooler filled with various beverages that all are welcome to. My competition number is 210, and my pit area will be set up along the main straight diagonal to the restrooms. Hope to see at least a face or two out there.... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 11:32:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14221 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14681; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17900 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA13867; Wed, 26 Aug 98 11:32:34 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 26 Aug 98 08:33:01 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 26 Aug 98 08:32:39 -0800 Received: from vrc_server (157.187.160.22) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 26 Aug 98 08:32:30 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: Subject: RE: M/C cops & waving Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:32:08 -0700 Message-Id: <000201bdd106$b06d6450$16a0bb9d@vrc_server.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <1ca4f9b1.35e3789e@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, I wave to Motorcycle cops and they wave back about a third of the time. I don't let it bother me if somebody does not wave back because I figure that they might be too busy to respond. Perhaps they are covering the levers because they spot a potential danger, maybe they are shifting, perhaps they are holding the clutch in and braking, maybe they are too busy observing something to take notice of me that time. Cops have more distractions. They may be folling somebody, talking on the radio, worrying about getting shot, or trying to deal with the murder of a comrade. Another interesting observation: In DC, the Harley riders rarely waved. In Idaho and most Rocky Mountain states, they almost always wave. Hell, half the time the Harley riders initiate the wave. Perhaps it's a urban versus rural behavioral difference. In general, people have less "attitude" and are more easy going in the Rockies than in the big urban areas. Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 11:37:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14244 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14729; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18061 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14878 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.79] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00208; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:37:08 -0400 Message-ID: <00d201bdd107$ab307da0$4f73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Honda Oil Filters Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:39:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have some filters for a CBR600F2, part # 15410-MM9-013. VFR800 service invoices show part # 15410-MM9-405. Price was $11.60. Which is which? >Well the prices aren't as good as I thought I could get but I could call >around to other places. So far its $6.53 each. That was with a quantity of >25 small Honda filters (for the newer bikes) and 25 of large Honda filter >(for the older bikes). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 11:45:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14254 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14857; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18332 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15249 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:44:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Honda Oil Filters Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:43:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) The 15410-MM9-013 is probably an older part number but would still work fine. The newer filter are the 15410-MM9-405 (small one) and the 15410-MJ0-405 (large one). Glenn > I have some filters for a CBR600F2, part # 15410-MM9-013. VFR800 service > invoices show part # 15410-MM9-405. Price was $11.60. Which is which? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 11:47:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14260 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14893; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18385 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:47:30 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525666C.0056A8BF ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:46:32 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525666C.00566FAD.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:46:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Racing at Summi Pt this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Unfortunately, they don't have a one day only price. I wonder if the people that run this track will ever wise up and realize that they would get a whole lot more spectators if they would offer a one day price. I just doesn't make sense to me why they don't. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 12:10:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14288 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15275; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19107 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16286 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00923; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1166747@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'Bruce Norton'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Honda Oil Filters Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:10:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Glenn, Give Rick Beggs a call out at Fast Lane Cycles (703-818-8890)...he most likely would give a decent price to a group order. Tell him what you've found elsewhere, and he'd probably match it or beat it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:59 AM > To: 'Bruce Norton'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Honda Oil Filters > > The 15410-MM9-013 is probably an older part number but would still work > fine. The newer filter are the 15410-MM9-405 (small one) and the > 15410-MJ0-405 (large one). > > Glenn > > > > I have some filters for a CBR600F2, part # 15410-MM9-013. VFR800 service > > invoices show part # 15410-MM9-405. Price was $11.60. Which is which? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 12:19:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14300 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15426; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19311 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:19:48 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504224797E@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Racing at Summi Pt this weekend Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:15:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" If you know the person who owns the track (Bill Scott), it'd make perfect sense to you.. he does whatever is necessary to bring in as much money as possible.. I'm a cheap bastard and that's why I cornerwork.. free entrance, free food.. and 2nd best seat in the place. But not everyone's like me.. -----Original Message----- Unfortunately, they don't have a one day only price. I wonder if the people that run this track will ever wise up and realize that they would get a whole lot more spectators if they would offer a one day price. I just doesn't make sense to me why they don't. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 12:28:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14314 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15591; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19596 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 373; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:27:33 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980826122723.00a83c40@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:27:33 -0400 To: Frank Artes , Dave Yates From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I waved at a cop in his car the other day, and he gave me a sincere look of suspicion. I half expected him to turn around and follow me. Im getting tired of the Harley guys not waving back - ever. Im not good enough at identifying bikes as they approach to _not_ wave at these guys, but I guess I dont understand why this group (of all people) would want to discriminate. Is it cause American Iron doesnt last as long? (j/k - no flames!) At 03:09 PM 8/25/98 -0400, Frank Artes wrote: >I had one wave back to me on 270... he was going N and I S. He looked >almost shocked that I waved to him to begin with. I even wave to cops in >cars... I actualy appreciate them doing their job. > >-Frank > > >n >-- > falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE > >On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Dave Yates wrote: > >> NOT to start another wave thread... BUT... >> >> Finally, after 7 years of riding, & waving at every single M/C cop I've >> seen, a Md State bike cop waved back yesterday on 210 N in Indian Head. >> Are they particular about who they wave to? Anyone else notice this? >> >> BTW anyone else caught in the Beltway backup at exit 24 outer loop? The >> chopper landed about 0545 this morning. When I passed it looked pretty >> grim, a small cage stuck up under the back of a tractor trailer. Of >> course, an impatient cager cut me off >> as traffic was clearing - SMHR ( shaking my helmet ruefully ). >> >> Dave >> '90 ZX 11 >> > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 12:30:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14320 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15628; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19635 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:30:08 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGAEa27698 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5c8894c1.35e437d1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:29:04 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fast Lane Dyno Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 Me and a fellow TL rider are looking into renting some time on the Fast Lane Cycles dyno. Would anyone be interested in sharing the cost and getting to run on the dyno to see what your bike really makes? (the bonus for us TL riders and prolly 98 GSXR riders is that they have the Yosh FI tuning box there to use when dyno'ing). I believe the cost is somewhere around $50-$75 per hour. Not a bad price Id say. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 13:45:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14522 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17120; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23303 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20517 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tstraining3 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA25459 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261742.NAA25459@smtp3.erols.com> X-Sender: sled@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:50:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wes Fleming Subject: RE: Honda Oil Filters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd be willing to chime in for 4-5 filters (you know, stocking up & what-not), especially if the cost stays in the $6 range. W At 10:43 26-08-98 -0400, you wrote: >Well the prices aren't as good as I thought I could get but I could call >around to other places. So far its $6.53 each. That was with a quantity of >25 small Honda filters (for the newer bikes) and 25 of large Honda filter >(for the older bikes). > >Glenn > > >> Maybe if everyone knew what the cost would be for say, 20, 30, 50 >> filters and the corresponding unit cost, then you'd have more buyers. >> >> > Wes Fleming, MA sled@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. http://shadow.newspeak.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 14:18:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14629 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17828; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25874 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22100 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 358; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:17:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980826141745.00a29840@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:17:47 -0400 To: Wes Fleming , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Honda Oil Filters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What kind of a savings are we talking about? If its only a buck or so each, its not worth it (to me) to have them sit on a shelf for a couple years (may not even have the bike by then!) BTW Wes - how many freaking email addresses do you have now? I know of 5 at least. At 01:50 PM 8/26/98 -0400, Wes Fleming wrote: >I'd be willing to chime in for 4-5 filters (you know, stocking up & >what-not), especially if the cost stays in the $6 range. > >W > >At 10:43 26-08-98 -0400, you wrote: >>Well the prices aren't as good as I thought I could get but I could call >>around to other places. So far its $6.53 each. That was with a quantity of >>25 small Honda filters (for the newer bikes) and 25 of large Honda filter >>(for the older bikes). >> >>Glenn >> >> >>> Maybe if everyone knew what the cost would be for say, 20, 30, 50 >>> filters and the corresponding unit cost, then you'd have more buyers. >>> >>> >> > >Wes Fleming, MA >sled@XXXXXX >'96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" >Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. >No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. >http://shadow.newspeak.org > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 14:37:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14680 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18553; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27259 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261837.OAA27259@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A5DB12E00C8; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:15 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:21:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving In-Reply-To: <600d551a.35e423ce@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:03 AM 8/26/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 8/25/98 7:02:17 AM, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > ><seen, a Md State bike cop waved back yesterday on 210 N in Indian Head. >Are they particular about who they wave to? Anyone else notice this?>> > >they never wave back at me either ...... :( >Marcy I get a wave (or other acknowledgement) back from most motor officers - except never in DC. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 14:37:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14685 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18557; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27263 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261837.OAA27263@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A5DF12E00C8; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:19 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:39:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Biker killing truckers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.wfaa.com/news/9808/25/truckrs.shtml Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 14:42:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14698 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18674; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27711 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261842.OAA27711@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A71D13900C8; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:42:37 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:46:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Max Biaggi's max wheelie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Was it this list that passed around the video of the incredible wheelie? Here's another, better copy. Supposedly it's Max Biaggi. http://www.imagine-it.com.au/biaggi.avi Chris Norloff P.S. It's a 1.7MB AVI file from Australia, but it transferred through pretty quickly for me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 16:42:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14952 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21842; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04792 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:39:50 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Biker killing truckers? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdd131$9e9c7ba0$3680e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199808261837.OAA27263@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I still say the trucker tried to run him off the road. Or a drug deal gone bad. Who the hell knows? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 2:40 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Biker killing truckers? > > > http://www.wfaa.com/news/9808/25/truckrs.shtml > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 22:43:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15416 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26688; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14406 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-117-39.s39.tnt12.brd.erols.com [207.172.117.39]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26174; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808270243.WAA26174@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: , Subject: Re: Fast Lane Dyno Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:46:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I may be interested once I put on another 300 miles on my 98 GSX-R. Please keep me updated. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fast Lane Dyno > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 12:29 PM > > Me and a fellow TL rider are looking into renting some time on the Fast Lane > Cycles dyno. Would anyone be interested in sharing the cost and getting to > run on the dyno to see what your bike really makes? > (the bonus for us TL riders and prolly 98 GSXR riders is that they have the > Yosh FI tuning box there to use when dyno'ing). I believe the cost is > somewhere around $50-$75 per hour. Not a bad price Id say. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 22:56:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15431 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26875; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14726 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa (207-172-76-96.s96.tnt4.man.erols.com [207.172.76.96]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01275 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E4C9EA.619@erols.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:52:26 -0400 From: "Gary F. Meyering" Reply-To: panthera@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The meeting place Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I am new to this list and somewhat new to the area as well. My question to everyone; does anyone know of a local spot where motorcyclists tend to regularly gather for socializing, tire kicking, and ride commencement? I used to live in the town of Danbury, Connecticut, where we had a great little hole where folks would congregate every Sunday morning. The venue was a strategically placed, obscure diner named Marcus Dairy. For about 30 years now, serious enthusiasts have gone there to grab coffee (the food is lethal if taken internally), meet old friends, make new friends, look at bikes, talk about bikes, share tales of misadventures (naturally, never exaggerated), and set out for a day's ride in the New England countryside. Though good weather will attract in excess of a thousand bikes from all neighboring states, the whole thing originally started as a popular meeting place for roughly 50 to 100 motorcyclists. Of the factors which make this informal gathering so attractive, the lack of pretense is probably most crucial. Everyone seems to get along extremely well, regardless of what brand they ride or what type of bike they prefer, because they are drawn by the one thing we all have in common...our love for bikes and riding them (posers and brand snobs seem to be in low concentration). One other phenomenon was that with a gathering this large and spectrally broad, you are going to see some REALLY cool and rare bikes (even got pictures to prove it). You are almost certain to run into somebody to trade Scott wiring secrets with, or get a look at the latest exotica from Egli, or even find a weathered CB350 like the one you started on. Anyway, I could ramble on for megabytes. If anyone knows of something similar or would be interested in starting a small scaled gathering, please let me know. Thanks. ---Gary 1997 Moto Guzzi Sport 1100i 1996 Triumph Trident 900 1987 Honda XR600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 23:35:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15479 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27328; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15573 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WADSa19317 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:34:04 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <302f95c1.35e4d3ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:34:04 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fast Lane Dyno Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Actually, a Dyno run for your bike is $25. The Dyno tuning is what costs $X per hour. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 26 23:52:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15512 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27526; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15838 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11593; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:49:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:46:10 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Utter Crap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, Check out the latest daily news on Moto Online.Yet another reason to be glad we live in America. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0826.html The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 00:17:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16001 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27954; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena.kia.net (known datatrac-dc.server.cais.net [205.161.105.91]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16307 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guac (guac.kia.net [209.8.1.98]) by athena.kia.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13165 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tine" To: Subject: RE: M/C cops & waving Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:17:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bdd171$95d64880$04000005@guac.kia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Are you guys aware of any additional signals contained in the wave? In Berkeley there were three types of waves: general "hi howya doing" wave: up, above the handlebars "hi howya doing" and watch your speed: low wave, below bars... I also tend to push down to accentuate this... usually this can be interpreted as "you're coming up on a speedtrap" "cop ahead, possible barricade": a whoopdy-do wave... make a circle with a raised finger... kinda like a cop's lights. ...course, it's possible the guy who passed this on to me was pulling my leg, but I don't think so. Anyway... if you didn't know before, you do now... enjoy. Tine > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [mailto:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:32 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Leon Begeman' > Subject: RE: M/C cops & waving > > > This is really a test message to see if I entered this right in my address > book. > > But for my two cents worth, I wave (or at least nod, depending on safety > concerns) at all motorcyclists I pass on the highway, including Harley > riders, who rarely acknowledge my 1986 Honda Magna. > > > ---------- > > From: Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 8:54 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: M/C cops & waving > > > > Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD wrote: > > > > > > problem with that is sometimes you wave, they wonder "what's this wise > > aleck > > > waving for" and they treat you with suspicious eyes for as long as > > you're in > > > view...and don't be going their way...they may run your plates or pull > > you > > > over to check things out. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be too > polite to > > > cops. > > > > What are you trying to do with the wave? If you want him to remember > > you, wave. If you want to try to remain inconspicuous don't. > > > > I figure most cops know a little more than most people about identifying > > vehicles, and as much as I ride, they'd remember any bike I rode. > > Therefore I ride something conspicuous and also wave. If the cop I went > > past in January sees me speeding in September, maybe I'll get away with > > a warning instead of a ticket. > > > > Leon. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 00:19:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16006 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28019; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16323 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:16:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Utter Crap Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bdd171$73fcd120$3680e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It's even worse when you consider that our country, in order to promote global unity will likely bow down before the EU, and let them make all sorts of half ass proclamations like this. It's gonna get worse folks. I knew the damned UN was a bad idea. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Hey all, > Check out the latest daily news on Moto Online.Yet another reason > to be glad we live in America. > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0826.html > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 00:46:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16053 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28350; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16743 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11984; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:42:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:29:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Utter Crap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001901bdd171$73fcd120$3680e2cf@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, George Howell wrote: > It's even worse when you consider that our country, in order to promote > global unity will likely bow down before the EU, and let them make all sorts > of half ass proclamations like this. It's gonna get worse folks. I knew the > damned UN was a bad idea. I don't think so.We didn't jump into the Metric system like everyone thought we would.The real prob is whether or not the Japanese decide to build both Euro and US spec bikes.Remember there for awhile when the 750's we were getting were mostly 100hp models because of the hp limit threat in Germany? Hopefully the Euro biker organizations will be able to do something.I would think BMW might even get involved in this,as it's a slight to them considering all their bikes come with EFI and catalytics.You can't tell me a Porsche doing a buck fifty on the Autobahn is cleaner than an R bike puttering around town. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 00:48:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16059 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28391; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16779 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11989; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:44:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:43:07 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Finally Legal/Todd's Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980825181243.SZNM618@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > btw, what do I get to call your connie, since 'big ol' is now taken. ;) Now Todd,remember your bike is officially called the Super Tanker. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 00:56:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16073 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28490; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16924 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:56:07 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WDQEa27696 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33c7388f.35e4e6b8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:55:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Utter Crap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Not gonna happen here. There's no way! They haven't made us get rid of our gas guzzling SUVs and other indulgences. Besides, how many cagers would want to drive through cobble-stone streets everyday? It's not pleasant, even in an SUV. The speed limits would be reduced because of the new roads (cobble-stones tend to be slippery when wet).Plowing the roads after a snowstorm would be a nightmare. And imagine the costs of repaving every urban community in the U.S.!! I'm also sure Harley Davidson, Buell, and Victory would have something to say about that, as well as Honda and any other foriegn companies with factories in the states. We can rest assured that a sweeping change like that won't happen here. In fact, I doubt BMW will let it happen there. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 01:00:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16077 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28552; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17019 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:58:00 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Utter Crap Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:57:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bdd177$3943cce0$3680e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 When it comes to the ability of the American government to make stupid decisions, I always bet on them:) AMA recently helped out FIM to block some stupidity in France. Might be helping out again. I don't think they throw away their money on European causes unless there is reason to. And no, I doubt the R bike (45-50 MPG on the 1100's, supposedly) with their cats are putting out anything on the same order of magnitude as a Porsche. Or a VW. Or a Fiat. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I don't think so.We didn't jump into the Metric system like everyone > thought we would.The real prob is whether or not the Japanese decide to > build both Euro and US spec bikes.Remember there for awhile when the 750's > we were getting were mostly 100hp models because of the hp limit threat > in Germany? > Hopefully the Euro biker organizations will be able to do something.I > would think BMW might even get involved in this,as it's a slight to them > considering all their bikes come with EFI and catalytics.You can't tell > me a Porsche doing a buck fifty on the Autobahn is cleaner than an R > bike puttering around town. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 01:16:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16112 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28739; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17302 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:13:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Utter Crap Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01bdd179$68c179c0$3680e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <33c7388f.35e4e6b8@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 And we're basing this 'it ain't gonna happen' on what? The ability of our 'leaders' to make rational and intelligent decisions? The same folks who bought Chapman's Landing? Built a six lane drawbridge on a major north-south interstate highway? Instituted the 55 mph speed limit? Harley and Buell's power over broader issues (ignoring HD's obvious influence in creating moronic MC tariffs) is precisely zero. In the grand scheme of things, Harley ain't exactly a large company. The number of employees they have are rounding errors to GM. So GM, Ford, etc. join the fray? Not likely. While they make a good show of fighting CAFE standards, among other things, the auto manufacturers have taken changes in stride, passing the cost (plus profit) off onto the consumer. And looking at the fat bottom lines they've all had lately (GM should turn a profit this year, in spite of the strike) why would they want to spend but so much money? While the idea of a 100hp+ bike is nice, it's something I'm not sure I'd ever miss. But, like helmet choices, it's part of the big picture. Hence my annual AMA extra mile and Legislative Supporter contributions. Oh, BTW, I think cobblestones would be an improvement over many streets in DC. :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Not gonna happen here. There's no way! They haven't made us get > rid of our gas > guzzling SUVs and other indulgences. Besides, how many cagers > would want to > drive through cobble-stone streets everyday? It's not pleasant, even in an > SUV. The speed limits would be reduced because of the new roads > (cobble-stones > tend to be slippery when wet).Plowing the roads after a snowstorm > would be a > nightmare. And imagine the costs of repaving every urban community in the > U.S.!! I'm also sure Harley Davidson, Buell, and Victory would > have something > to say about that, as well as Honda and any other foriegn companies with > factories in the states. We can rest assured that a sweeping > change like that > won't happen here. In fact, I doubt BMW will let it happen there. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 01:26:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16117 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28914; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17496 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:26:34 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id 0TBGa24617; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67c94df8.35e4edde@aol.com>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:25:50 EDT To: david@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Antietam Poker Run Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, so far it's only you and me that seem to be interested. I could meet you somewhere in Sterling are Leesburg, but I'm not too familiar with the area. Any suggestions? I understand the threat of the hurricane and am watching it closely myself. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 01:40:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16133 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29045; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17663 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:37:46 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Antietam Poker Run Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:37:30 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bdd17c$c8429ac0$3680e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <67c94df8.35e4edde@aol.com>> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'd go, but SWMBO is working Sunday, so I'll likely spend the day pulling the head bearings out of the Wing. If I get carried away, the engine might wind up out of the frame. Now that my brother is again away at school, I can pull stuff apart in my parents' garage without fear of my brother 'cleaning it up' (translated: throwing away stuff that should NOT be thrown away). ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 01:46:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16143 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29131; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17791 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:46:36 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7BFCa03745; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:45:58 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Utter Crap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I agree that the voting power of motorcyclists and the few American companies is minute. We don't stand a chance if it comes to us versus them. And I doubt the automotive companies will say much. But look at the costs. Repaving roads that don't need it will cost big bucks. Cagers will undoubtedy complain about the roads (even if they are better than some of those in D.C.). There are too many other funds (like Social Security) that need money that would be wasted on repaving roads with cobble-stones. And the likely alternative (I think) for bikers that ride alot on these roads will be Enduro/Dual-Sport bikes . They'd handle the rough roads better with less power and more noise! Too many things against it here in the U.S. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 06:34:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16712 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02050; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22516 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27867 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'panthera@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The meeting place Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:33:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) The only place that I know of that even remotely comes close to this is on King Street in Old Town Alexandria. Although nobody seems to go on rides they just stand around and BS. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 98 VFR800 84 V30 Magna > I am new to this list and somewhat new to the area as well. My question > to everyone; does anyone know of a local spot where motorcyclists tend > to regularly gather for socializing, tire kicking, and ride > commencement? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 07:48:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16764 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02678; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23858 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA21874 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:48:02 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:48:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: The meeting place Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:50:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Gary, Welcome to the area. Danbury is on my list of places to make it to some Sunday morning - just haven't had the opportunity yet. This area's bikers seem to be divided into two groups, the meeters and the riders. I'm not sure where the meeters meet - but they tend not to ride. There are two major sets of riders - This list (which has taken on a significant life of its own over the last year or so) and Dr. John Weinstein's CAMS (Capitol Area Motorhead Society)- John will deny any responsibility - but he is the driving force. We (DC-Cycles) tend to have more activity and (ahem) sporty riding than the CAMS, whose motto is "Eat to Ride, Ride to Eat" with a sub motto of "No spoon is too greasy". CAMS is a very eclectic laid back group who will take more time to cover 100 miles than you thought possible - and you'll enjoy it. DC-Cycles rides tend to split into two groups - those out to see the countryside and those out to strafe apexes. Occasionally, we actually organize intermediate stops so that the groups can get together intermittently. Hope to see you soon. Michael J '86 SRX-6 (sick) '93 GSX 1100G (not sick) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 07:58:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16776 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02771; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24015 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-57.s57.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.57]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00577; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E549EB.8BE7A130@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:58:35 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fast Lane Dyno References: <302f95c1.35e4d3ae@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right Sean, but Jack is also right. Rick will rent you time on the dyno by the hour (or maybe half hour) for a flat fee. Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > Actually, a Dyno run for your bike is $25. The Dyno tuning is what costs $X > per hour. > > -Sean Jordan -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 08:06:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16796 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02860; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24227 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-57.s57.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.57]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02284; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E54BBF.94E57A3E@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:06:23 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: panthera@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The meeting place References: <35E4C9EA.619@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the list Gary. Back in my college days in New London, I went on a nice ride down to Marcus Dairy on the big annual get together. That was amazing. Thousands of bikes, dealers and demo rides...it was way cool. Although that was pretty cool, I never overly enjoyed street riding in CT. Even in the most "rural" areas of the state (and I went everywhere) it's just way too crowded/populated to safely enjoy a good ole sport ride. Beautiful countryside though. So I enjoyed the slower paced rides quite well. Come out to the racetrack this weekend. A handful of listers either racing, cornerworking, or just spectating...it's sure to be a fun time... Collin Gary F. Meyering wrote: > I used to live in the town of Danbury, Connecticut, where we had a great > little hole where folks would congregate every Sunday morning. The venue > was a strategically placed, obscure diner named Marcus Dairy. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 08:17:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16815 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02995; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24435 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-57.s57.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.57]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04836; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E54E39.14F17531@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:16:57 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Antietam Poker Run References: <67c94df8.35e4edde@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right off of route 7 in Sterling there's a shopping center on the right that has a Burger King and an Applebees. Gas station conveniently right next door. Makes for a decent meeting place. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: I could meet you > somewhere in Sterling are Leesburg, but I'm not too familiar with the area. > Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 08:19:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16820 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03041; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buser.buser.net (known buser.buser.net [204.91.71.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24464 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buserd (unverified [207.239.153.66]) by buser.buser.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:29:41 -0400 From: "David A. Buser" To: "'Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)'" , Cc: Subject: RE: Antietam Poker Run Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bdd1b4$bed60f20$6999a8c0@buserd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <35E54E39.14F17531@geocities.com> Importance: Normal Sounds good to me! As long as no hurricanes follow us there. Regards, David Buser '94 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) [mailto:gixer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:17 AM To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: david@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Antietam Poker Run Right off of route 7 in Sterling there's a shopping center on the right that has a Burger King and an Applebees. Gas station conveniently right next door. Makes for a decent meeting place. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: I could meet you > somewhere in Sterling are Leesburg, but I'm not too familiar with the area. > Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 09:00:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16840 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03660; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25606 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980827125924.6824.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.122.54.194] by send101.yahoomail.com; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:59:24 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: James Campbell Subject: flickable 2nd/waving/poker run/open houses To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for all the replies I got from people suggesting a cheap, flickable bike. If you'll remember, my goal is to learn on a small one (peg scraping stuff) and move to a big(er) sport bike. No decisions yet, but the Bandit seems promising for my 2nd ride and the wife's learner. Plus I learned on a Suzuki at age 8, so I have a soft spot for them. ------------------------ This waving thing freaks me out. I wave at everybody who has the nerve to ride in this god-forsaken, cage-infested area. Yeah, I ride a big, fat Harley, and I wave at all of ya! Hell, some HD riders don't even wave at other HD riders. Maybe they don't think they see enough billet chrome crap to wave back. The posers give us all a bad name, but you know that. ----------------------- I'm going to try to make it to the AMA sponsored Poker Run. Riding up from Ft. Meade/Laurel area. ----------------------- ALL the Harley-Davidson dealers will be having open houses on 29 August. You can get free food if nothing else. You know what? I've always wanted to ride a loud-assed import Sport Bike up to a big HD gathering just to see the reaction. Maybe one day. ----------------------- If you care to ride a Harley for free just to see what all the fuss is about, the York HD plant is having an Open House. It lasts for three days starting on Sept. 24 (I think.) If you don't mind standing in a few lines, you can ride the model of your choice around a decent, suburban road course. It is lots of fun, IMNERHO. I just wanna bump the rev limiter on one of them fancy TwinCam88 MoFoCo motors to see what it will do. Ping me if you want to tag along. Sarge aka James Campbell 98 Fat Boy AEKDB _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 10:01:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16893 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04476; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27187 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:00:54 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WRCAa13456 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89c137c0.35e56670@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:00:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The meeting place Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 Well, one suggestion of King Street is a good one. Usually on Wed and Thurs nights. Another place is Hanes Point in DC on Sunday around noon. It is mostly sportbikers and they arent much fun to ride with. I went up there one day and someone was like "lets ride!". "Cool, lets go" I thought. Well no one told me that these guys idea of "riding" was jumping on 395 S and hauling ass down the HOV lane at warp speed (I looked at my TLs speedo and it was registering 170. Once HOV ran out everyone split up and went home. Yikes. Id avoid it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 10:14:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16917 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04714; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27519 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA14131 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:14:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: flickable 2nd/waving/poker run/open houses In-Reply-To: <19980827125924.6824.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, James Campbell wrote: > (peg scraping stuff) and move to a big(er) sport bike. No decisions > yet, but the Bandit seems promising for my 2nd ride and the wife's > learner. Which Bandit? I love the 400.. > Plus I learned on a Suzuki at age 8, so I have a soft spot > for them. I'm the same way, for the same reason, where Honda is concerned. The only Suzuki I've ridden was the Bandit 400. > ALL the Harley-Davidson dealers will be having open houses on 29 > August. Do you know if any of them (including at York) will have the Battletrax thing? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 10:14:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16921 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04726; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27532 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:11:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: all the better for your cobblestone roads Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:11:22 -0400 Message-ID: <003801bdd1c4$91bfc020$3680e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 http://www.abcnews.com/sections/tech/CarTech/cartech980826.html ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 10:21:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16930 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04856; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27723 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zC2vF-0005KP-00; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:21:09 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:19:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A70@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'NJitzul@XXXXXX'" , david@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Antietam Poker Run Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:18:46 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Tom & I are planning on going, but I'm not sure which route we're taking...I have no sense of direction, he plans all those details. ; ) We live in Arlington, though, so maybe we could work something out for all of us to go together... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:26 AM > To: david@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Antietam Poker Run > > Well, so far it's only you and me that seem to be interested. I could > meet you > somewhere in Sterling are Leesburg, but I'm not too familiar with the > area. > Any suggestions? I understand the threat of the hurricane and am > watching it > closely myself. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 10:36:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16949 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05031; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28500 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:36:07 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEBTa03887 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e4aa5b7.35e56ea8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:35:19 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fast Lane Dyno Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-26 23:43:12 EDT, you write: << Actually, a Dyno run for your bike is $25. The Dyno tuning is what costs $X per hour. >> Hmmm.......Ive heard otherwise. Let me check it out before we make any real plans. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 10:58:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17016 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05283; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29081 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05285 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.39] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA00116 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:58:50 -0400 Message-ID: <013a01bdd1cb$7812b4a0$2773c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Ride for Kids Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:00:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Anybody interested in the Ride for Kids in Columbia MD on Sep 13? Lets make motorcyclists look good & raise some money for the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States. If you don't want to ride, would you be willing to make a small donation? See http://www.ride4kids.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 11:02:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17027 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05338; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29180 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 332; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: <35E57499.45AF2161@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:00:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Finally Legal/Todd's Bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > btw, what do I get to call your connie, since 'big ol' is now taken. ;) > > Now Todd,remember your bike is officially called the Super Tanker. ;-) > Gotta remember that one... :) Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 11:14:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17052 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05507; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29603 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lc43e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.110]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04070; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980827111248.006b5634@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:12:48 -0400 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: The meeting place In-Reply-To: <89c137c0.35e56670@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's part of the same group that meets at the Taco Bell in Falls Church(not sure which one) and drag races in the District going out NY Ave into Maryland... if you're into that kind of stuff. They also meet at the Checkers burger joint at the corner of New York Ave. and Bladensburg Rd. in NE. Bring money, a big motor in a small chassis, and a big bottle of nitrous. We met a guy up there with a '93 GSXR 750 that had a really breathed on bored 1100 motor with nitrous. Very unassuming until he got on it!! The typical street thugs hang out here... don't go alone unless you know someone. -Tom '86 VFR750 At 10:00 AM 8/27/98 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >Well, one suggestion of King Street is a good one. Usually on Wed and Thurs >nights. Another place is Hanes Point in DC on Sunday around noon. It is >mostly sportbikers and they arent much fun to ride with. I went up there one >day and someone was like "lets ride!". "Cool, lets go" I thought. Well no one >told me that these guys idea of "riding" was jumping on 395 S and hauling ass >down the HOV lane at warp speed (I looked at my TLs speedo and it was >registering 170. Once HOV ran out everyone split up and went home. Yikes. >Id avoid it. > >Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 11:20:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17058 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05590; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29791 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMPNa13455 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8249c6e1.35e578d7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:18:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Antietam Poker Run plans so far... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, so far it sounds like the Burger King/Applebees in Sterling would be a good meeting place. It's the opposite direction from Hagerstown for me, but I enjoy the riding :). It takes about 1 1/2 hours slabbing it up, I think (conservative estimate), but I've been thinking of taking a bit more scenic route. Like 7 to 340 into Brunswick, MD and up from there, or something like that. How about we plan on meeting in Sterling around 9AM and expect to gas up and leave by 930? I'm open to suggestions! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 11:32:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17071 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05778; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00219 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lc43e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.110]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28958; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980827113129.00705190@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:31:29 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'NJitzul@XXXXXX'" , david@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Antietam Poker Run Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A70@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Where does everyone live? The meeting place should be central(I don't mind traveling though). If going out to Leesburg works for everyone then I'm game. -Tom At 10:18 AM 8/27/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Tom & I are planning on going, but I'm not sure which route we're >taking...I have no sense of direction, he plans all those details. ; ) >We live in Arlington, though, so maybe we could work something out for >all of us to go together... > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:26 AM >> To: david@XXXXXX >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Antietam Poker Run >> >> Well, so far it's only you and me that seem to be interested. I could >> meet you >> somewhere in Sterling are Leesburg, but I'm not too familiar with the >> area. >> Any suggestions? I understand the threat of the hurricane and am >> watching it >> closely myself. >> >> Robert VanSlyke >> 83 Shadow 750 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 11:39:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17082 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05905; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buser.buser.net (known buser.buser.net [204.91.71.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00399 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buserd (unverified [207.239.153.66]) by buser.buser.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:50:07 -0400 From: "David A. Buser" To: "'Thomas W. Zell'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , Cc: Subject: RE: Antietam Poker Run Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bdd1d0$bf64d0e0$6999a8c0@buserd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980827113129.00705190@pop.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Centreville VA -David -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:31 AM To: O'Brien, Jeannette; 'NJitzul@XXXXXX'; david@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Antietam Poker Run Where does everyone live? The meeting place should be central(I don't mind traveling though). If going out to Leesburg works for everyone then I'm game. -Tom At 10:18 AM 8/27/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Tom & I are planning on going, but I'm not sure which route we're >taking...I have no sense of direction, he plans all those details. ; ) >We live in Arlington, though, so maybe we could work something out for >all of us to go together... > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:26 AM >> To: david@XXXXXX >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Antietam Poker Run >> >> Well, so far it's only you and me that seem to be interested. I could >> meet you >> somewhere in Sterling are Leesburg, but I'm not too familiar with the >> area. >> Any suggestions? I understand the threat of the hurricane and am >> watching it >> closely myself. >> >> Robert VanSlyke >> 83 Shadow 750 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 11:43:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17091 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05969; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00535 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lc43e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.110]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16221 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980827114237.007181b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:42:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Antietam Poker Run plans so far... In-Reply-To: <8249c6e1.35e578d7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This sounds good to me... maybe we could try a little breakfast at Applebee's or something... Jeannette and I are about a half an hour or so from there so that should be cool... what time does this thing start? -Tom At 11:18 AM 8/27/98 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >Well, so far it sounds like the Burger King/Applebees in Sterling would be a >good meeting place. It's the opposite direction from Hagerstown for me, but I >enjoy the riding :). It takes about 1 1/2 hours slabbing it up, I think >(conservative estimate), but I've been thinking of taking a bit more scenic >route. Like 7 to 340 into Brunswick, MD and up from there, or something like >that. How about we plan on meeting in Sterling around 9AM and expect to gas up >and leave by 930? I'm open to suggestions! > >Robert VanSlyke > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 12:21:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17136 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06661; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01857 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zC4nE-00018V-00; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:21:00 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:19:38 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D981A82@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Thomas W. Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Antietam Poker Run plans so far... Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:18:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ugh!! so early, boys!! : ( No, that's ok with me, too, but breakfast is a definite pre-requisite!! ; ) - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W. Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:43 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Antietam Poker Run plans so far... > > This sounds good to me... maybe we could try a little breakfast at > Applebee's or something... Jeannette and I are about a half an hour or > so > from there so that should be cool... what time does this thing start? > > -Tom > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 14:04:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17386 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11467; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07575 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808271804.OAA07575@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AFA7510224; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:23 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:31:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Evading those Traffic Control Devices! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While searching through the VA legislative database, I came across this. I'll remember this the next time I get chased by a stop sign! :-) Chris Norloff =A7 46.2-833.1=20 Evasion of traffic control devices=20 It shall be unlawful for the driver of any motor vehicle to drive off the roadway and onto or across any public or private property in order to evade any stop sign, yield sign, traffic light, or other traffic control device.= =20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 14:04:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17387 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11463; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07571 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808271804.OAA07571@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AFA4510224; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:23 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:34:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Illegal to block the left lane! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I'll be - it's actually illegal to block the left lane in Virginia -- =A7 46.2-842.1=20 Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highways=20 It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On audible or light signal, the driver of the overtaken vehicle shall move to the right to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can safely do so. A violation of this section shall not be construed as negligence per se in any civil action.=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 14:12:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17416 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11630; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07888 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808271811.OAA07888@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A1667F0224; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:11:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:15:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pete@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Seeking Computer Maintainer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, all. My boss asked me if I knew anyone who could do desktop PC maintenance (probably hardware & software upgrades, software installation, network & Internet configuration). This person would need to have or be able to get a security clearance. Work location is in DC. If interested, send resume to chris@XXXXXX or fax it to (202)863-3873. Thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 14:17:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17427 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11764; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08159 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id OAA05558 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8525666D.00646041 ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:16:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525666D.00646054.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:17:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Evading those Traffic Control Devices! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=GlsnlTVJzsk7AIydnMPgukBUxyuxz8sFTnbv6NbYfuftrQloADbhLpLI" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=GlsnlTVJzsk7AIydnMPgukBUxyuxz8sFTnbv6NbYfuftrQloADbhLpLI Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I think this means that you can't cut through a parking lot to get around a traffic signal or stop sigh... Disregard this if you already kinew that :-) -Doug To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Evading those Traffic Control Devices! --0__=GlsnlTVJzsk7AIydnMPgukBUxyuxz8sFTnbv6NbYfuftrQloADbhLpLI Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable While searching through the VA legislative database, I came across this= . I'll remember this the next time I get chased by a stop sign! :-) Chris Norloff =A7 46.2-833.1 Evasion of traffic control devices It shall be unlawful for the driver of any motor vehicle to drive off t= he roadway and onto or across any public or private property in order to e= vade any stop sign, yield sign, traffic light, or other traffic control devi= ce. = --0__=GlsnlTVJzsk7AIydnMPgukBUxyuxz8sFTnbv6NbYfuftrQloADbhLpLI-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 14:38:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17455 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13032; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09403 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA14643; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980827183740.GOUX618@localHost>; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:37:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Illegal to block the left lane! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980827183740.GOUX618@localHost> I believe it's called traffic impedence. BTW, did my DMV cones last night with Dale Horstman. I guess we can keep our licenses :) T Message-Id: <199808271804.OAA07571@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:34:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Illegal to block the left lane! Well I'll be - it's actually illegal to block the left lane in Virginia -- § 46.2-842.1 Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highways It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On audible or light signal, the driver of the overtaken vehicle shall move to the right to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can safely do so. A violation of this section shall not be construed as negligence per se in any civil action. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 14:43:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17465 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13299; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09855 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28817 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:43:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199808271843.OAA28817@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:43:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Illegal to block the left lane! Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199808271804.OAA07571@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 27 Aug 98, at 13:34, Chris Norloff wrote: > Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highways Hmmm... I'm not sure what "certain" vehicles means... it also mentions an audible or light signal. Maybe they are talking about police cars, fire trucks, ambulances, etc...? Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 15:11:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17506 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13953; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11281 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808271910.PAA11281@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF3ECB0224; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:10:54 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:11:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Illegal to block the left lane! In-Reply-To: <199808271843.OAA28817@radagast.wizard.net> References: <199808271804.OAA07571@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >On 27 Aug 98, at 13:34, Chris Norloff wrote: >> Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highways=20 > >Hmmm... I'm not sure what "certain" vehicles means... it also=20 >mentions an audible or light signal. Maybe they are talking about=20 >police cars, fire trucks, ambulances, etc...? >Anita >'96 GPZ1100 It doesn't say anything about emergency vehicles (or about speed limits, either, for that matter!). Flashing lights or sounding horn would be likely notification to give the left lane blocker. 'Course, getting the blocker to move, legally required or not, is something else. Still, it's interesting to see what the laws really are. My search started out by looking for a law that allows you to go through a malfunctioning traffic light. In California you can do that. So if you wait, and the traffic light doesn't sense your vehicle and change, then it must be malfunctioning. You make sure the way is clear and proceed! You might have to do some explaining, but it would be nice to know if Virginia law is on the side of common sense here. (ha ha ha!) Chris Norloff P.S. Because of the problems of red-light runners, it looks like the scales are tipping the other way - here's the temporary law allowing photographing and prosecuting of red-light runners. It seems to set up an interesting situation where passing through a red-light for any reason (clearing the way for an emergency vehicle, for example) would be punishable ... until you try to explain it to a judge. But then all the physical evidence is against you anyway. =A7 46.2-833.01=20 (Effective until July 1, 2005) Liability for failure to comply with traffic light signals; pilot program in certain localities=20 A. The governing body of any city having a population of more than 390,000, any city having a population of at least 200,000 but less than 225,000, any county having the urban county executive form of government, any county adjacent to such county, and any city or town adjacent to or surrounded by such county except any county having the county executive form of government and the cities surrounded by such county may provide by ordinance for the establishment of a demonstration program imposing monetary liability on the operator of a motor vehicle for failure to comply with traffic light signals in such locality in accordance with the provisions of this section. Each such locality may install and operate traffic light signal photo-monitoring systems at no more than twenty-five intersections within each locality at any one time.=20 B. The operator of a vehicle shall be liable for a monetary penalty imposed pursuant to this section if such vehicle is found, as evidenced by information obtained from a traffic light signal violation monitoring system, to have failed to comply with a traffic light signal within such locality.=20 C. Proof of a violation of this section shall be evidenced by information obtained from a traffic light signal violation monitoring system authorized pursuant to this section. A certificate, sworn to or affirmed by a technician employed by a locality authorized to impose penalties pursuant to this section, or a facsimile thereof, based upon inspection of photographs, microphotographs, videotape, or other recorded images produced by a traffic light signal violation monitoring system, shall be prima facie evidence of the facts contained therein. Any photographs, microphotographs, videotape, or other recorded images evidencing such a violation shall be available for inspection in any proceeding to adjudicate the liability for such violation pursuant to an ordinance adopted pursuant to this section.=20 D. In the prosecution of an offense established under this section, prima facie evidence that the vehicle described in the summons issued pursuant to this section was operated in violation of this section, together with proof that the defendant was at the time of such violation the registered owner of the vehicle, shall constitute in evidence a rebuttable presumption that such registered owner of the vehicle was the person who committed the violation. Such presumption shall be rebutted if the registered owner of the vehicle (i) files an affidavit by regular mail with the clerk of the general district court that he or she was not the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation or (ii) testifies in open court under oath that he or she was not the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation. Such presumption shall also be rebutted if a certified copy of a police report, showing that the vehicle had been reported to the police as stolen prior to the time of the alleged violation of this section, is presented, prior to the return date established on the summons issued pursuant to this section, to the court adjudicating the alleged violation.=20 E. For purposes of this section "owner" means the registered owner of such vehicle on record with the Department of Motor Vehicles. For purposes of this section "owner" does not mean a vehicle rental or vehicle leasing company. For purposes of this section, "traffic light signal violation-monitoring system" means a vehicle sensor installed to work in conjunction with a traffic light that automatically produces two or more photographs, two or more microphotographs, a videotape, or other recorded images of each vehicle at the time it is used or operated in violation of this section.=20 F. Imposition of a penalty pursuant to this section shall not be deemed a conviction as an operator and shall not be made part of the operating record of the person upon whom such liability is imposed nor shall it be used for insurance purposes in the provision of motor vehicle insurance coverage. No monetary penalty imposed under this section shall exceed fifty dollars nor shall it include court costs.=20 G. A summons for a violation of this section may be executed pursuant to =A7 19.2-76.2. Notwithstanding the provisions of =A719.2-76, a summons for a violation of this section may be executed by mailing by first-class mail a copy thereof to the address of the owner of the vehicle as shown on the records of the Department of Motor Vehicles. If the summoned person fails to appear on the date of return set out in the summons mailed pursuant to this section, the summons shall be executed in the manner set out in =A719.2-76.3. No proceedings for contempt or arrest of a person summoned by mailing shall be instituted for failure to appear on the return date of the summons.=20 H. In any action at law brought by any person or entity as the result of personal injury or death or damage to property, such evidence derived from a photo-monitoring system shall be admissible in the same method prescribed as required in the prosecution of an offense established under this section without the requirements of authentication as otherwise required by law.=20 I. On behalf of a locality, a private entity may not obtain records regarding the registered owners of vehicles which fail to comply with traffic light signals. A private entity may enter into an agreement with a locality to be compensated for providing the traffic light signal violation monitor system or equipment, and all related support services, to include consulting, operations and administration. However, only an employee of the locality may swear to or affirm the certificate required by subsection C.=20 J. The provisions of this section shall expire on July 1, 2005.=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 15:39:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17534 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14458; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12168 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 19:39:06 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14193 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Illegal to block the left lane! In-Reply-To: <199808271843.OAA28817@radagast.wizard.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > On 27 Aug 98, at 13:34, Chris Norloff wrote: > > > Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highways > > Hmmm... I'm not sure what "certain" vehicles means... it also > mentions an audible or light signal. Maybe they are talking about > police cars, fire trucks, ambulances, etc...? > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 Nah. I think its the honking horn, screamed obscenities, and extended 'appendage of friendship' - which light could shine off of, creating your "light signal" - that would indicate that they have to yield. So really, just cuss someone out, flash your lights, flick them off, and if theyre still sitting in the left lane, arrest em! The filthy scum! Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 15:53:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17557 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14663; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12541 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:50:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:52:57 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Illegal to block the left lane! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline coming up behind a left-lane hogger, I've found it sometimes works to put your left turn signal, in effect saying, "I want to pass." I get about a 60% success rate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 16:00:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17569 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14846; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12779 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:00:54 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525666D.006DDBAD ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:59:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525666D.006DB6CC.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:59:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Illegal to block the left lane! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline So really, just cuss someone out, flash your lights, flick them off, and if theyre still sitting in the left lane, arrest em! The filthy scum! And make sure you use your best Gomer Pyle voice impression. "Citizens Arrest - Citizens Arrest" Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 16:08:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17636 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14970; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13049 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808272008.QAA13049@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACA31FB024A; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:08:03 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:12:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Illegal to block the left lane! -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:52 PM 8/27/98 -0400, JOE NAGY wrote: >coming up behind a left-lane hogger, I've found it sometimes works to >put your left turn signal, in effect saying, "I want to pass." I get >about a 60% success rate. Really? That's a pretty high success rate. I understand that's the signal in Europe, but I wouldn't think USA brain-dead cagers would notice! Me, I find they move over fairly well if I charge them from behind in my K100LT with the high-beam on. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 16:13:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17680 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15033; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13208 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:13:30 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id 6JSIa24617; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <470871cf.35e5bd9f@aol.com>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:12:15 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Torque wrench / Impact wrench ?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 I am looking into buying a high power wrench for some of those pesky bolts and such. I have heard both of these terms, are they the same thing? What do they usually cost? Easy to find? Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 16:28:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17727 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15914; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13777 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id WIIAa23197 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37fc7436.35e5c136@aol.com>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:27:34 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Illegal to block the left lane! -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 85 In a message dated 98-08-27 16:25:04 EDT, you write: << Me, I find they move over fairly well if I charge them from behind in my K100LT with the high-beam on. >> I usually have no trouble when it comes to cagers moving when I come up from behind. Generally they ALL move when Im coming up from behind. Its very nice. Maybe its the dual headlights that triggers something in their brain....."dual headlights, must be car, move to right"...... Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 17:13:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00437 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18075; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15716 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22379 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:10:34 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:10:22 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride for Kids Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Ride for Kids I would be interested in the Ride for Kids on Sept. 13. I went to the web site and didn't see a whole lot of detail about the Maryland ride. I guess you show up with $10 or so and ride in a parade. Have you done this event before, Bruce? Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody interested in the Ride for Kids in Columbia MD on Sep 13? Lets make motorcyclists look good & raise some money for the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States. If you don't want to ride, would you be willing to make a small donation? See http://www.ride4kids.org/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 27 17:15:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (known tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00442 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18121; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15774 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 296; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:14:10 -0400 Message-ID: <35E5CC24.7B951F00@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:14:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Finally Legal/Todd's Bike References: <35E57499.45AF2161@tidalwave.net> <35E57C64.9BB4B033@illuminet.net> <35E5B1F1.2420E0D2@tidalwave.net> <35E5C109.221ADD02@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman asked: > What happened at DMV last night? Did you get the cone weave figured > out? How did Todd do? To all, Yes, Todd and I got out the the Manassas DMV to check out the dreaded cone weave last night. We just took the "scenic" route down 211 and up through Front Royal first. :) Actually, it must have all been a mental block on my part, because I got it right the first time through! Yay! And the 4 or 5 times after it just to prove it to myself. :) Whew! I could pass the regular DMV test after all, if I had gone that route. Todd breezed through on his ST the first time, but he just nipped the last cone spot with his tires. He then nailed it every time after that. Figures, it's taken me five months to do it. It took Todd two passes. He probably thinks I'm nuts now. I didn't actually measure the distances between cones, but it looked like 12-15 feet. About a 3 foot offset. As for the twisties on 211, I was pleased to find that I can keep up to him much better with the Concours than I could with the old LTD. But he still got way ahead of me on the backroads out of Luray (675/678?). I was enjoying the scenery. Yeah, that's the ticket. :) Thanks Todd. What kinda Gatorade do you like, BTW? :) Horkster