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Hello,
My name is Gary Lyons and I'm a police officer. Two years ago I started a
motorcyle ride to the National Law Enforcement Memorial, Washington, D.c. to
ho9nor police officers killed in the line of duty. The first year 1160 bike
were counted at the event. Last year, over 1300 bike we there and over 3000
at the memorial when we arrived. We ride from RFK stadium through the streets
of the Nations Capitol ending at the Memorial. If you are interested in more
info on this event and/or posting it for me, it would be greatly appriciated.
In advance thank you for any and all help you can provide.
God bless and thanks
Gary "Law Ride" Lyons
300 Park Ave.
Falls Church, Va. 22046
City of Falls Church Police

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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 07:56:12 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 97 07:53:36 EST
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 08:07:57 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:09:29 -0700
From: Ken Shephard <shephar1@XXXXXX>
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Dale,

	First off, have really enjoyed your book, secondly yes Motorcycle Times
is still being published, I have the July/August issue in front of me
now.  I know that if I dont hit the local Winchester Indian shop at just
the right time, it will be gone. They do seem to move out quickly.
I have considered getting it mailed direct but $12.00 for six issues of
a 'free' rag seems a bit steep.

	Anyway there address is
			Winding Road Motorcycle Times
			Winding Road Enterprises
			2550 Albert Rill Rd
			Westminster MD 21157-3453

	By the way the next issue is supposed to be out on 1 September.

		HDKnight
		96 XLH-1200

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 08:14:46 1997
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At 07:13 PM 7/31/97 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote:

>Back to the initial issue:  A guy on his motorcycle gets stopped for
>legally using the HOV lanes that hundreds of cars used illegally today.

And after pointing out to the cop that he was wrong, doesn't get a ticket.

Sure, the cop shouldn't have stopped him. Sure, the cop should have behaved
better.

But the "cops suck" nonsense this has unleashed is ridiculous.


* * *
John Whiteside
Washington, DC


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At 11:55 AM 7/31/97 -0400, Bob Tobias wrote:

>In case anyone does have another experience of this type, might I suggest
>the following, slightly modified response:
>
>"Gee, officer, I really thought it was OK for me to ride in the HOV lanes
>and I'm sorry you had to stop and tell me that it wasn't.  I will
>certainly move out of these lanes immediately and stay out of them until
>I can be absolutely certain when it is OK for motorcycles to use them.
>Please have a nice day."

Why would you do this?


* * *
John Whiteside
Washington, DC


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 08:42:07 1997
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But seriously.  The US vs. THEM attitude is police versus criminals.  If
you aren't a criminal, then they do not place themselves in a competitive
stance towards you.

Well the following paragraph looks to me like an example of a cop placing
himselve in a competitive stance against a law abiding citizen, and then
digging his heels in even further after the law abiding citizen points out
to him that he was clearly in the wrong.

     When I asked him to read the signs or call in and ask a pro about the
     traffic laws in MD, he paused for a second. Then he decided to make a
     fool of himself by not admitting that he was wrong. Instead he asked
     me to stay off the HOV lane or he would give me a ticket. I asked him
     to follow me a little further down the road so I could show him the
     sign where it says "Motorcycles OK." He got angry with me and told me
     to stay off the HOV lane then returned to his car without ever asking
     me for my license or anything.



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 08:49:46 1997
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Subject: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop
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>> First off, you have no right to drive on state-created
>>roads.
>
>  I have no right? Im a licensed, legal tax paying citizen, and I have no
>right to drive ( or ride) on state roads?!?!?
>
> > Driving there is a privilege, not a right.
>
>  If you've done the tests, taken the classes, gotten the licenses, paid the
>taxes, then it becomes your right.


Rights can't be taken away, no matter what you do.  Priviledges are earned,
are subject to various rules, and can be taken away.

Once you've complied with all the rules, you're operating that vehicle in
accordance with all rules, you're not disobeying a public safety order
(like a hurricane evacuation), then you can drive on that road ... but it's
still a priviledge, not a right.

Chris Norloff





From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 08:49:48 1997
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Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol
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> We belong to a local HOG group. Normal people. Not bad
>assed bikers. Just normal people that love to ride. We've all been followed
>to family picnics, on poker runs, on the way TO events, on the way HOME from
>events....etc. At the end of the last picnic, many people were pulled over
>so that the cops could check baffles on the bikes!!!!! This was a FAMILY
>picnic!!! The bikes were legal, so they couldnt ticket anyone, but damn,
>they sure wanted to. I SHOULD be getting used to it by now, but it still
>amazes me. I get followed for miles, and wonder why?!?!? ME! A short shit
>blonde on an itty bitty bike! Amazing.

How were you dressed?  Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype?
Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses?  Were the
bikes loud?  Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner?

I'm sure this could erupt into a real flame-fast, but I don't mean to flame
anybody.  I'd just like to point out that if people choose to dress to fit
a negative stereotype, or use provocative manners, that can get attention
that they don't want.

Chris Norloff







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>And as a general rule motorcycle cops are assholes.  i have yet to me a
>nice one.  if you know a nice one, please have him call me.  I really
>would like to meet one that is not a butthead.  i do not wave to
>cop-bikers.  I fear they will pull me over for wrecklss driving (hands off
>handlebars)

Is this supposed to be flame-bait?

As a general rule, statements that say "as a general rule [group of people]
are jerks" are false.

If you really want to meet neat officers on bikes, take an MSF course (high
percentage of officers) or enroll to become an instructor.  I met a lot of
officers that way ... most of them were good people, one was not - sort of
like all people.

Chris Norloff





From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 08:51:50 1997
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Mitch wrote:
>A bit naive, are we?  Police, many of them admittedly, look at society
>with an US v. THEM attitude.
    An opinion. Period.


>I bet they think you're kidding.
    Another opinion.

>Quite politically correct.  I'm sure I'm not alone, however, in
>believing that this is basically a crock.
    Which is the crock, Thomas? Your opinion that police are out to get
    everyone and are not people? Or whether or not ploce officers
    have a memory about people they see on their beat every day?
    They remember rather a lot, and are not incapable of exercising field
    judgements based on their experiences. New officers don't have
    much, admittedly, Since that seems to be the lead off example,
    perhaps your arguement applies only there. That is a pretty
    broad brush you are using otherwise.

    Dave


    David Choat, Visionary
    '95 Suzuki RF900R                  Email: dchoat@XXXXXX
    '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten)

    It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them.


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 08:56:18 1997
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>Who else but a drunk would be driving that late at night?

>Jerks.

- Hacker
    Statistically, swerving is usually done by drunks. The odds
    are very high (over 50%) that erratic driving is
    caused by alcohol. If your operating profile falls into
    this area, you are going to be pulled over. Frankly, I
    have a serious problem with drunk drivers, I can put
    up with the "jerks" who are taking them off the road,
    even if it means I get checked out too.

    David Choat, Visionary
    '95 Suzuki RF900R                  Email: dchoat@XXXXXX
    '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten)

    It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them.

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And after pointing out to the cop that he was wrong, doesn't get a ticket.

Sure, the cop shouldn't have stopped him. Sure, the cop should have behaved
better.

But the "cops suck" nonsense this has unleashed is ridiculous.


* * *
John Whiteside
Washington, DC


So what if it's ridiculous.  At least it's entertaining.  This is the most
fun I've had reading this list in months.

Steve



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At 10:52 PM 7/31/97 -0400, Squeakers wrote:

> This isnt fair. Brian quoted you, without using any >>'s or anything to let
>me know the words werent originating with him, so I already responded to it.
>THEN I got YOUR post.

This happens a lot on this list. Sometimes it's very tough to tell what
someone is saying themselves, what they're responding too, etc. Folks, if
you're gonna quote someone else's words, make it clear it's a quote!

now back to your regularly scheduled flame.


* * *
John Whiteside
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>The 'criminals' you speak of hide amongst the general population.
>Police do not know which people are criminals, and, therefore, they
>treat everyone as a suspected criminal.
    Horse Potatoes.

>I'm afraid I don't see how being a Marine enables you to relate to being
>a police officer.
    You would be surprised at how many Marines are in the MSP.

    David Choat, Visionary
    '95 Suzuki RF900R                  Email: dchoat@XXXXXX
    '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten)

    It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them.

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 09:09:07 1997
From: <dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX>
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Thomas Gimer wrote:

>>I get a big kick out of the 'public servants' talk....many of these guys
>>(especially city/local police) think they are above the law, not
>>servants of the public.

That reminds me of a saying I've heard about cops:

"They gave me a badge,
They gave em a gun,
They gave me a car,
Now let's have some fun!"

I can't remember where I heard that, though.

Horkster

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Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol


>How were you dressed?  Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype?
>Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses?  Were the
>bikes loud?  Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner?
>
>I'm sure this could erupt into a real flame-fast, but I don't mean to flame
>anybody.  I'd just like to point out that if people choose to dress to fit
>a negative stereotype, or use provocative manners, that can get attention
>that they don't want.
>
>Chris Norloff

  Now you're making an assumtion on evidence not presented. (in a manner of
speaking) For the family picnic, most people were dressed for...well... a
family picnic. Including all the children. Were the bikes loud? Naturally.
They were mostly Harleys. All legal pipes, but nonetheless, they make the
"Harley Sound tm".  The very act of throwing your leg over the saddle of a
Harley, any type, any size, is all it takes for the small minded to
automatically think "demons!". We have professionals, retired folk, white
collar, lots of women riders, parents that bring their children to all the
rides (mon rides the little girl on HER bike, Dad the son on his) blue
collar, hell, even a retired navy captain in our club. Definitely worthy of
the scrutiny of the local constabulatory when WE ride by, eh?

  BTW-Since when is it acceptable for the police to harrass people based
solely on the way they're dressed. No cause. No crimes. Nothing happening.
Just people riding by. Doing the speed limit. Obeying all traffic laws.
Minding their own business.

Squeakers
>


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 09:12:52 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:14:56 -0700
From: Ken Shephard <shephar1@XXXXXX>
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It is amazing what generates so much damm heat on these lists.  But
whats the point.  How many of the people that are bitching and moaning
religiously vote in local and national elections?   How many of you
folks have attended local county board meetings.  Those cops, asshole or
not are out there reflecting the policies of the municipalities that
they are working for.  Why waste time bashing cops on an email list, and
put the effort in getting the petty bureacrats off our backs in the
first place.

	Hate to say it folks, but whether its helmet laws, irrational speed
limits or HOV,  We, and I mean American society in general, have brouht
it all down upon ourselves.  We have delegated just about every aspect
of our lives to big brother, who is bound and determined to tell us
whats best for us, our kids and the world in general.  If you seat a
bunch of petty fascist in the boardrooms of our local,state and national
governments, how can you be surprised that you end up with individuals
with that same outlook appointed as Chief on down.  Most cops in any
department are going to reflect the philosophy of the department they
work for.  If that attitude is damm the citizens, write the tickets we
want the revenue, thats whats going to happen.  Some young cop with a
family isnt going to give up his chance at having weekends off refusing
to write as many tickets as he is told.

	Anyway thats my .02$, bitch and moan if you want, but the problem is
more than just this one young cop, its the system that we have allowed
to blow up in our faces.

			HDKnight

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Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop

>>
>>  If you've done the tests, taken the classes, gotten the licenses, paid the
>>taxes, then it becomes your right.
>
>
>Rights can't be taken away, no matter what you do.  Priviledges are earned,
>are subject to various rules, and can be taken away.
>
>Once you've complied with all the rules, you're operating that vehicle in
>accordance with all rules, you're not disobeying a public safety order
>(like a hurricane evacuation), then you can drive on that road ... but it's
>still a priviledge, not a right.
>

What you call a "privilege", I call a legal right. If Ive complied with all
the rules, and continue to do so, then I have a legal right to be on that
road. It can not be arbitrarily taken from me by a lone rookie cop, deciding
that I shouldnt be on a particular road. All rights can be taken away. NO
rights can be considered permanent. Laws can be passed, "rules" can be made.
What was once a "right" can be made a "privilege" simply by passing a law
restricting that right. (for the common good, naturally heh) The only right
that cant be taken away, is your right to die.(and pay taxes) Everything
else can.


Squeakers


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> yes Motorcycle Times
>is still being published, I have the July/August issue in front of me
>now.  I know that if I dont hit the local Winchester Indian shop at just
>the right time, it will be gone. They do seem to move out quickly.
>I have considered getting it mailed direct but $12.00 for six issues of
>a 'free' rag seems a bit steep.

Coleman Powersports does the same thing -- if this is a free magazine, why
don't shops ask for enough copies for their customers?  You'd almost think
they don't want customers to just "drop in" and see what's up!

Chris Norloff





From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 09:30:57 1997
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The bottom line is that the police in our midst represent a cross section
of society.

There is a small percentage of well-qualified and well meaning individuals
who are working to the best of their ability...

A MUCH larger percentage of people who are neither good nor bad

And a small percentage of assholes who shouldn't be let loose.

We tend to focus on the extremes and lose perspective


Michael Jordan
'86 SRX-6
'93 GSX 1100GP
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From: "Meier, Christopher" <MEIERCH@XXXXXX>
To: "'shephar1@XXXXXX'" <shephar1@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'dc-cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop
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>----------
>From: 	Ken Shephard[SMTP:shephar1@XXXXXX]
>Sent: 	Friday, August 01, 1997 12:14 PM
>To: 	dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: 	Re: Rookie MCP Cop
>
>It is amazing what generates so much damm heat on these lists.  But
>whats the point.  How many of the people that are bitching and moaning
>religiously vote in local and national elections?   How many of you
>folks have attended local county board meetings.  Those cops, asshole or
>not are out there reflecting the policies of the municipalities that
>they are working for.  Why waste time bashing cops on an email list, and
>put the effort in getting the petty bureacrats off our backs in the
>first place.

Whoa!!!!

I agree completely with what you are saying, BUT ... we are talking
about a police officer overstepping his bounds and potentially HARASSING
a motorist. (personally I don't think he did)

Your argument makes sense but only when we are talking about an officer
enforcing a law that we happen to not like (i.e. speeding).  Last time I
checked, voting in the elections and attending board meetings (while
important and recommended) does not solve the problem of police abuse of
power.

Later,
chris
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Christopher A. Meier
meierch@XXXXXX
Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA
1994 RF900R  AMA #470094
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 09:37:49 1997
From: <dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, <Dave_Choat@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Jerks (on phones)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:35:26 -0400
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Actually I have heard lately that cage drivers
who frequently operate cell phones while driving have
accident rates similar to drunk drivers.  Personally, I've
seen lots of cars weaving on the roads during broad
daylight where the driver has a phone up to his ear.  It
scares the crap out of me more than drunk drivers do
anymore.

Horkster


----------
From: 	Dave_Choat@XXXXXX[SMTP:Dave_Choat@XXXXXX]
Sent: 	Friday, August 01, 1997 8:56 AM
To: 	dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: 	Jerks


>Who else but a drunk would be driving that late at night?

>Jerks.

- Hacker
    Statistically, swerving is usually done by drunks. The odds
    are very high (over 50%) that erratic driving is
    caused by alcohol. If your operating profile falls into
    this area, you are going to be pulled over. Frankly, I
    have a serious problem with drunk drivers, I can put
    up with the "jerks" who are taking them off the road,
    even if it means I get checked out too.

    David Choat, Visionary
    '95 Suzuki RF900R                  Email: dchoat@XXXXXX
    '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten)

    It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them.


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>>How were you dressed?  Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype?
>>Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses?  Were the
>>bikes loud?  Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner?
>>
>>I'm sure this could erupt into a real flame-fast, but I don't mean to flame
>>anybody.  I'd just like to point out that if people choose to dress to fit
>>a negative stereotype, or use provocative manners, that can get attention
>>that they don't want.
>>
>>Chris Norloff
>
>  Now you're making an assumtion on evidence not presented. (in a manner of
>speaking) For the family picnic, most people were dressed for...well... a
>family picnic. Including all the children. Were the bikes loud? Naturally.
>They were mostly Harleys....
>Squeakers

I didn't make ASSUMPTIONS, I asked QUESTIONS.  Please read the message
before you respond to it.

Chris Norloff





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Subject: RE: Mmmmm.... doughnuts.
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>That reminds me of a saying I've heard about cops:
>
>"They gave me a badge,
>They gave em a gun,
>They gave me a car,
>Now let's have some fun!"

Reminds me of a bumpersticker I saw in the early 70's:

"If you don't like Police, next time you need help, call a Hippie!"


Chris Norloff





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Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop
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>What you call a "privilege", I call a legal right. If Ive complied with all
>the rules, and continue to do so, then I have a legal right to be on that
>road. It can not be arbitrarily taken from me by a lone rookie cop, deciding
>that I shouldnt be on a particular road. All rights can be taken away. NO
>rights can be considered permanent. Laws can be passed, "rules" can be made.
>What was once a "right" can be made a "privilege" simply by passing a law
>restricting that right. (for the common good, naturally heh) The only right
>that cant be taken away, is your right to die.(and pay taxes) Everything
>else can.

I'm using the terms "priviledges" and "rights" in accordance (I believe)
with the laws/codes/regulations that specify what priviledges we have, and
with the documents that specify our rights (Constitution & Bill of Rights &
other amendments).

You can call priviledges rights if want to, but that doesn't change what
they are, and it doesn't change your ability to challenge the laws that
affect your priviledges, and it doesn't affect the laws that protect your
rights.

Read some Constitutional case law -- there's plenty of books about our
Constitution that are written for non-lawyers.  I also recommend reading
the Traffic Code of your state.  Look at a copy at the library -- I bet
you'll be surprised what is allowed and what isn't, and how "rights" and
"priviledges" are considered.

Chris Norloff




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Art Crow at Rider's Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church (in addition to
being a GREAT human being (cough)) usually seems to have a good stock on
hand.

For a truly unique consumer experience, drop in for your copy, partake of
Art's philosophy of life (pick a subject, any subject) and maybe even buy
something.

Art has never bored me - pissed me off, made me laugh, even caused me to
think on occasion, but NEVER bored me.

Michael Jordan
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 09:49:15 1997
From: sbeck@XXXXXX
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Coleman Powersports does the same thing -- if this is a free magazine, why
don't shops ask for enough copies for their customers?  You'd almost think
they don't want customers to just "drop in" and see what's up!

Chris Norloff


Chris I've heard conflicting stories about this.  I'm not sure who to
believe anymore.

The publishers of the magazine have asked their readers to tell the dealers
to request more copies if they run out prematurely.

I've had the dealers tell me they can't get any more copies than they
currently do.

I've had dealers tell me that the magazine recently changed their
distributor, and that the distributors are the ones at fault.

Who knows which of these stories if any are correct?  Even though they seem
to discourage it I have subscribed in the past just to eliminate the hassle
of finding a copy at the dealer.  Even when the dealers do have the
magazine, it usually shows up 1 to 2 weeks late.  Too many times I have
missed a good motorcycle event because the magazine didn't come out on
time.  I'll bet the organizers of the event don't appreciate this very
much.  You would think that a magazine that only comes out every 2 months,
could at least be on time.

It's too bad they don't have a WEB site.  They could put the events
calendar on it, which would provide another way of checking what's going on
in the area.

Steve Beck







From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 09:51:53 1997
From: "Meier, Christopher" <MEIERCH@XXXXXX>
To: "'Chris Norloff'" <cnorloff@XXXXXX>,
        "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'"
	 <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
        "'Squeakers'" <squeaks@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop
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>----------
>From: 	Squeakers[SMTP:squeaks@XXXXXX]
>Sent: 	Friday, August 01, 1997 9:18 AM
>To: 	Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: 	Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop
>
>>>
>>>  If you've done the tests, taken the classes, gotten the licenses, paid
>>>the
>>>taxes, then it becomes your right.
>>
>>
>>Rights can't be taken away, no matter what you do.  Priviledges are earned,
>>are subject to various rules, and can be taken away.
>>
>>Once you've complied with all the rules, you're operating that vehicle in
>>accordance with all rules, you're not disobeying a public safety order
>>(like a hurricane evacuation), then you can drive on that road ... but it's
>>still a priviledge, not a right.
>>
>
>What you call a "privilege", I call a legal right. If Ive complied with all
>the rules, and continue to do so, then I have a legal right to be on that
>road. It can not be arbitrarily taken from me by a lone rookie cop, deciding
>that I shouldnt be on a particular road. All rights can be taken away. NO
>rights can be considered permanent. Laws can be passed, "rules" can be made.
>What was once a "right" can be made a "privilege" simply by passing a law
>restricting that right. (for the common good, naturally heh) The only right
>that cant be taken away, is your right to die.(and pay taxes) Everything
>else can.
>
>Are you familiar with the term unalienable?
>
There is a difference between what "rights" the contitution ddems
>inherent, and what "privaledges" or rather "abilities" the law grants.

and yes, they are trying to take away the right to die.  Artificial life
support is becoming quite good these days ...

Later,
chris

BTW .. Let me end with one of my favorite quotes.

When they took the fifth amendment I said nothing because I was
innocent.
When they took the fourth amendment I said nothing because I didn't deal
drugs.
When they took the second amendment I said nothing because I don't own
guns.
Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can say nothing about it.

Don't think it can happen?  Look at other counties around the world ...
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-------
>Christopher A. Meier
>meierch@XXXXXX
>Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA
>1994 RF900R  AMA #470094
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-------
>
>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 10:12:42 1997
From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" <Dysart@XXXXXX>
To: "'DC-Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
        "'Thomas Piergallini'"
	 <pierre@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:12:19 -0400
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I couldn't have said it better myself.  The rudest most arrogant cops I
have ever met have been on bikes.  The nicest cops I have ever met have
been the state police.  They are always polite no matter what the
situation.

Just my opinion

Hope to see everyone for the ride to central VA/WV tomorrow!

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna



>>And as a general rule motorcycle cops are assholes.  i have yet to me a
>>nice one.  if you know a nice one, please have him call me.  I really
>>would like to meet one that is not a butthead.  i do not wave to
>>cop-bikers.  I fear they will pull me over for wrecklss driving (hands off
>>handlebars)
>
>>As a general rule state cops (non-moto) are gentalman.  I have yet to meet
>>a bad-statie.  Even the ones that arrested me on occasion were real nice
>>to after beating on me a little bit, but no harm done.
>
>
>-pierre
>
>Thomas Piergallini
>EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX
> Send me MIME mail
>
>
>
>
>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 10:14:14 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:14:03 -0400 (EDT)
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From: Squeakers <squeaks@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop


>>
>>Are you familiar with the term unalienable?


  Yup. And Im also familiar with the term "humans" and what they're capable
of doing if they set their minds to it. Inalienable is not a license for
complacency. "Inalienable" laws can be "altered" (modified? fixed just a tad?)


>>
>There is a difference between what "rights" the contitution ddems
>>inherent, and what "privaledges" or rather "abilities" the law grants.

    Think about what you're saying! If you read a law to 10 different
people, the chances are that all 10 people will have a different
interpretation of that law, what rights it gives (or privileges, if you
prefer) and how it should be followed. We have courts clogged up with people
trying to "interpret". The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is a fine example. A
CONSTITUTIONAL right. (Inalienable, perhaps?) Havent you seen just how many
different interpretations to THAT argumant there is!?!?!?

>
>and yes, they are trying to take away the right to die.  Artificial life
>support is becoming quite good these days ...

 So now we're working on laws to allow or disallow "living wills" and the
like. Looks like the only right they ARENT messing with is your right to pay
taxes.


  Squeakers
>


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 10:23:20 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:22:48 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop


>Read some Constitutional case law -- there's plenty of books about our
>Constitution that are written for non-lawyers.  I also recommend reading
>the Traffic Code of your state.  Look at a copy at the library -- I bet
>you'll be surprised what is allowed and what isn't, and how "rights" and
>"priviledges" are considered.
>
>Chris Norloff
>
>

  Actually, I dont need to read the books. Ive had enough first hand
experience to see how it works in traffic court. (My ol'man's drivin, not
mine!) He gets unfairly, or sometimes OVER ticketed, gathers his evidence,
comes up with his defense, goes to court, argues his case, and every
time...wins. (I think it's 4 times now)
 He's also taken a few others to court when we were unfairly treated. Won
every time.

  The point is........ because a cop decides you shouldnt be doing
something, or SHOULD be...doesnt make it so. He ISNT the final word. If you
KNOW you're in the right, stand up for yourself. You CAN do it politely, but
DO it.


Squeakers


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 10:35:37 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT)
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From: Squeakers <squeaks@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol

At 09:32 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote:
>>>How were you dressed?  Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype?
>>>Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses?  Were the
>>>bikes loud?  Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner?
>>
>
>I didn't make ASSUMPTIONS, I asked QUESTIONS.  Please read the message
>before you respond to it.
>
>Chris Norloff
>
>

  The very fact that the first "questions" you came up with were "dress"
related, shows that you're one of the people that buy into the "Harley
riders" crap. (read- ASSUMPTIONS)If it had been ricers or rocketeers that
were being harrassed, perhaps your "questions" would have been a little more
appropriate to the problem. How is the way we dress an approval of the way
cops treat us? If I choose to wear black jeans, a black T shirt, a black
leather jacket, skull ear rings and maybe even a necklace with  GASP! A
SPIDER on it, WHY does that make it acceptable for me to be harrassed? Does
my religion or political affiliations also make me a target? An acceptable
one, that is? How about the color of my hair? My skin? If everything Im
doing is legal... Im not speeding, Im stopping at red lights and stop signs,
using my turn signals etcetc..... then why do you find it acceptable for
cops to treat us as "guilty till proven innocent" based SOLELY on the way
we're DRESSED! How incredibly prejudiced and short sighted you are.


Squeakers
>


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 10:41:29 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:35:48 -0400
From: "Aki.Damme" <aki.damme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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..actually you make an interesting point...


As alot of you already know, I worked for DMV in Va. for a number of
years and the DMV Drivers manual clearly states that use of public
roads in the the State of Virginia is a PRIVLEGE, not a right and
can be granted or revoked at any time.  A license is merely a pass
that allows one (if they comply with all OTHER applicable laws and
regulations), to legally use those roads.

Also having worked for law enforcement while I was in the military for
15 years, I can tell you that local/state/military officers are just
like everyone else...they make mistakes too...and the professional ones
(me included) that have made mistakes apoligize and go on our way.

I pulled over a citizen once that I had thought violated a posted speed
limit sign not knowing that the speed limit had been raised that day
by 10mph (it had been a construction zone for over a year)...after the
driver pointed that "fact" out to me, I (rather redfaced), apoligized
to the driver, told him I felt pretty embarrassed about pulling him over
and asked him to have a nice day...we both had a good laugh about it and
no one left with a bad attitude...it works both ways...it's hard to respect
a police officer if the police officer doesn't respect *you*....

..and contrary to what some people may say..it doesn't require a low IQ to
be a cop...and except for the cop that's on a power trip, most cops HATE
brownnosed ass kissers.... be real, be honest treat everyone like they're
adults and chances are 50-50 that you might not get a ticket...

cheers,
-aki

> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX
>
> >What you call a "privilege", I call a legal right. If Ive complied with all
> >the rules, and continue to do so, then I have a legal right to be on that
> >road. It can not be arbitrarily taken from me by a lone rookie cop, deciding
> >that I shouldnt be on a particular road. All rights can be taken away. NO
> >rights can be considered permanent. Laws can be passed, "rules" can be made.
> >What was once a "right" can be made a "privilege" simply by passing a law
> >restricting that right. (for the common good, naturally heh) The only right
> >that cant be taken away, is your right to die.(and pay taxes) Everything
> >else can.
>
> I'm using the terms "priviledges" and "rights" in accordance (I believe)
> with the laws/codes/regulations that specify what priviledges we have, and
> with the documents that specify our rights (Constitution & Bill of Rights &
> other amendments).
>
> You can call priviledges rights if want to, but that doesn't change what
> they are, and it doesn't change your ability to challenge the laws that
> affect your priviledges, and it doesn't affect the laws that protect your
> rights.
>
> Read some Constitutional case law -- there's plenty of books about our
> Constitution that are written for non-lawyers.  I also recommend reading
> the Traffic Code of your state.  Look at a copy at the library -- I bet
> you'll be surprised what is allowed and what isn't, and how "rights" and
> "priviledges" are considered.
>
> Chris Norloff
>
>
>
>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 10:54:10 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:51:25 -0400
From: "Aki.Damme" <aki.damme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese
motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't
stereotype....



-aki

> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX
>
> At 09:32 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote:
> >>>How were you dressed?  Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype?
> >>>Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses?  Were the
> >>>bikes loud?  Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner?
> >>
> >
> >I didn't make ASSUMPTIONS, I asked QUESTIONS.  Please read the message
> >before you respond to it.
> >
> >Chris Norloff
> >
> >
>
>   The very fact that the first "questions" you came up with were "dress"
> related, shows that you're one of the people that buy into the "Harley
> riders" crap. (read- ASSUMPTIONS)If it had been ricers or rocketeers that
> were being harrassed, perhaps your "questions" would have been a little more
> appropriate to the problem. How is the way we dress an approval of the way
> cops treat us? If I choose to wear black jeans, a black T shirt, a black
> leather jacket, skull ear rings and maybe even a necklace with  GASP! A
> SPIDER on it, WHY does that make it acceptable for me to be harrassed? Does
> my religion or political affiliations also make me a target? An acceptable
> one, that is? How about the color of my hair? My skin? If everything Im
> doing is legal... Im not speeding, Im stopping at red lights and stop signs,
> using my turn signals etcetc..... then why do you find it acceptable for
> cops to treat us as "guilty till proven innocent" based SOLELY on the way
> we're DRESSED! How incredibly prejudiced and short sighted you are.
>
>
> Squeakers
> >
>
>

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At 10:51 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote:
>
>..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese
>motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't
>stereotype....
>
>
>
  Actually, if you read what I said, then you'll see that I was saying that
stereotypes doesnt make it ACCEPTABLE to HARRASS someone for. I DO have an
"image" of SOME "ricers" and "rocketeers". Especially rocketeers. Ive never
denied that. I dont think Ive ever HIDDEN that, either. *I* ride rice (for
the moment. As soon as I can permanently get off it, I will). REGARDLESS of
my "image" towards SOME riders ( And I DO mean SOME) I would NEVER condone
or accept or rationalize their being set apart and harrassed by anyone for
any reason. Even if they ARE dressed in spiffy multi colored full body
armour and huge helmets that make their heads bob like those little toys you
can get to put in your car window dash. Remember those? They're cute!


Squeakers


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     Whoah!! That was me on the yellow FZR yesterday. I waived out to you
     to slow down. It's great that bikers stick together in cases like this
     one.  -- Small World !!


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: do you use Nelson St in Rockville?
Author:  <KLThomas77@XXXXXX> at internet
Date:    7/31/97 7:09 PM


Hey, y'all-

Just a warning, two days in a row, a cycle cop was running radar on Nelson,
just as you go down the hill from 28.

They are using cycle cops more, it seems, to run radar, since they are
unidentifiable as police from a distance.  Saw one using laser on Tower Oaks
at Montrose not long ago.

BTW, I'm assuming the cop on Nelson was running radar, but I don't have a
detector on the bike.  Could have been laser just as well.

And thanks to the rider of the yellow (FZR?) who warned me as I went by on my
blue VFR.

Later
Kevin




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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 11:39:36 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:24:15 -0400
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...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term
"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only
referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the
country of origin doesn't it? .  Additionally, you
go on to poke fun at what a person is wearing (e.g. colorful
clothes, large helmet)...right after saying that one should'n't
be harassed just because of what they're wearing...

I won't *even* go into the Harley .vs. everyoneelseintheworld argument..
even if portions of the Harley *are* foreign...including
"ricer" parts... ;-)

it still sounds like a double standard to me.



> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX
>
> At 10:51 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote:
> >
> >..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese
> >motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't
> >stereotype....
> >
> >
> >
>   Actually, if you read what I said, then you'll see that I was saying that
> stereotypes doesnt make it ACCEPTABLE to HARRASS someone for. I DO have an
> "image" of SOME "ricers" and "rocketeers". Especially rocketeers. Ive never
> denied that. I dont think Ive ever HIDDEN that, either. *I* ride rice (for
> the moment. As soon as I can permanently get off it, I will). REGARDLESS of
> my "image" towards SOME riders ( And I DO mean SOME) I would NEVER condone
> or accept or rationalize their being set apart and harrassed by anyone for
> any reason. Even if they ARE dressed in spiffy multi colored full body
> armour and huge helmets that make their heads bob like those little toys you
> can get to put in your car window dash. Remember those? They're cute!
>
>
> Squeakers
>
>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 11:58:42 1997
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From: Sandy Triolo <TRIOLOS@XXXXXX>
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Subject:  Re: Mmmmm.... doughnuts.

Having been in the position of a "them" that the cops were after, (yes virginia, you can have a past and still be a productive citizen) I can say from experience that they are not "after" the general population, the vast majority of cops ARE public servants, want to help and provide a vital service. As for my personal experience the police treated me with the same level of respect I treated them.

sandy

>>> Mitch <mrubinst@XXXXXX> 07/31 8:08 AM >>>
Nope, this isn't a crock.  I'm not a cop, but I play one on tv.  By that I mean, I can relate to them.  I simply appreciate their position in society.
I think it is a tough, unrewarding job that is extremely vital.

 end of rant,
  Mitch





From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 11:59:01 1997
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              .













>I pulled over a citizen once that I had thought violated a posted speed
>limit sign not knowing that the speed limit had been raised that day
>by 10mph (it had been a construction zone for over a year)...after the
>driver pointed that "fact" out to me, I (rather redfaced), apoligized
>to the driver, told him I felt pretty embarrassed about pulling him over
>and asked him to have a nice day...we both had a good laugh about it and
>no one left with a bad attitude...it works both ways...it's hard to
>respect a police officer if the police officer doesn't respect >*you*....

Very will said. I couldn't agree more.  You reap what you sow.

>..and contrary to what some people may say..it doesn't require a low >IQ
to be a cop....

And you would have us believe that cops don't have a monthly ticket quota.
It was never stated that it requires a low IQ to be a cop.  The question
was:  Did you know that if you score too high on an IQ test, they consider
you to be too smart to be a cop?

The man I saw on Good Morning America several months ago, who was rejected
the position of patrol officer because he scored too high on his IQ test,
will surely back up this argument.  I would hope that most jurisdictions
don't have such ridiculous  criteria, but the area that this man lived in
does.

I don't think this is right.  This is just another example of how stupid
our Government and their bureaucratic way of doing things can be.

Ok time to change this thread from bashing cops to bashing the real
villains.  THE STINKING GOVERNMENT.     8-)

On second thought.  It won't do any good.  I guess we might as well get
back to just talking about motorcycles.





From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 12:09:53 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Was: Constables...Now PC
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Aki,

   Defending the apparently undefendable here.  I think she was referring
to the preference of motorcycle and not your heritage.  I've never
heard of a Japanese person ever called a 'ricer'.

   Now, are you THAT sensitive, or just trying to pick a fight?
Do you really feel harrassed because of what someone else thinks about
what your wearing?  Fashion slave?  Knock it off and quit snivaling.

     Todd

     (put'n on my flame retardant suit now:-))

>...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term
>"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only
>referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the
>country of origin doesn't it? .  Additionally, you
>go on to poke fun at what a person is wearing (e.g. colorful
>clothes, large helmet)...right after saying that one should'n't
>be harassed just because of what they're wearing...
>
>I won't *even* go into the Harley .vs. everyoneelseintheworld argument..
>even if portions of the Harley *are* foreign...including
>"ricer" parts... ;-)
>
>it still sounds like a double standard to me.
>> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX
>>
>> At 10:51 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote:
>> >
>> >..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese
>> >motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't
>> >stereotype....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>   Actually, if you read what I said, then you'll see that I was saying that
>> stereotypes doesnt make it ACCEPTABLE to HARRASS someone for. I DO have an
>> "image" of SOME "ricers" and "rocketeers". Especially rocketeers. Ive never
>> denied that. I dont think Ive ever HIDDEN that, either. *I* ride rice (for
>> the moment. As soon as I can permanently get off it, I will). REGARDLESS of
>> my "image" towards SOME riders ( And I DO mean SOME) I would NEVER condone
>> or accept or rationalize their being set apart and harrassed by anyone for
>> any reason. Even if they ARE dressed in spiffy multi colored full body
>> armour and huge helmets that make their heads bob like those little toys you
>> can get to put in your car window dash. Remember those? They're cute!
>>
>>
>> Squeakers


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 12:10:29 1997
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At 11:24 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote:
>
>...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term
>"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only
>referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the
>country of origin doesn't it? .  Additionally, you
>go on to poke fun at what a person is wearing (e.g. colorful
>clothes, large helmet)...right after saying that one should'n't
>be harassed just because of what they're wearing...


  I didnt say he couldnt make fun of the way we dress. ( Although he cant
POSSIBLE have ANY taste if he he thinks we dress strange) I only said that
he shouldnt accept (or condone) us being harrasssed BECAUSE of the way we dress.
I may giggle at those dressed like colorful space aliens, but I WONT accept
their being treated badly.  My giggling or joking about them DOESNT imply I
would try and rationalize ill treatment of them. If they cant take a little
bit of giggling, perhaps they shouldnt WEAR those funny looking things. I
accept that some old ladies will cross the street when they see me coming,
dressed in black and wearing spiders. I accept and understand the stares and
obviously derogatory remarks I can see them saying to each other. (I must be
an evil slutwoman, with the way my ears ring). I even accept that men in
pickup trucks will sometimes pull up next to me and say "inapproprite"
things to me. It goes with the territory, and I just blow it off. It means
nothing. There's a hell of a lot MORE people out there that seem to think
that Im  approachable simply because of the way I dress and that I ride. I
NEVER had SO many people just walk up to me and start talking like we were
old friends like I do since I started riding. I like it!  :) These
circumstances are NOT the same thing as being harrassed by the police and it
being rationalized by other types of bikers. *I* can make fun of them, but I
WONT rationalize them being picked on by people wanting to make actual
trouble for them. (like the cop incidents) There IS a difference, ya know.


Being insulted by the term "ricer" makes no sense, but you're entitled to
your feelings. The term isnt aimed AT you. Its aimed at the bikes being sold
in America, but not MADE in America. If *I* took every dumb flaky blonde
joke that came my way seriously, Id be forever pissed and insulted.


>
>I won't *even* go into the Harley .vs. everyoneelseintheworld argument..
>even if portions of the Harley *are* foreign...including
>"ricer" parts... ;-)

 thats a problem that I HEARD is being worked on.........

:)
>
>it still sounds like a double standard to me.

 Not to me.
>
>


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 12:14:37 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:11:36 -0400
From: "Aki.Damme" <aki.damme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop
To: sbeck@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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 >I pulled over a citizen once that I had thought violated a posted speed
> >limit sign not knowing that the speed limit had been raised that day
> >by 10mph (it had been a construction zone for over a year)...after the
> >driver pointed that "fact" out to me, I (rather redfaced), apoligized
> >to the driver, told him I felt pretty embarrassed about pulling him over
> >and asked him to have a nice day...we both had a good laugh about it and
> >no one left with a bad attitude...it works both ways...it's hard to
> >respect a police officer if the police officer doesn't respect
>*you*....
>
> Very will said. I couldn't agree more.  You reap what you sow.
>
> >..and contrary to what some people may say..it doesn't require a low >IQ
> to be a cop....
>
> And you would have us believe that cops don't have a monthly ticket quota.

..actually there isn't one..but then again it all depends on the
jurisdiction that one works for and what the local mayor or whoever
has established...there isn't quotas but no tickets = no revenue...if
you don't write tickets that generate revenue then in the end seniors
think you're goofing off...tickets = revenue = productive work = happy
boss = possible promotion ...it sucks but that's the real world folks...



> It was never stated that it requires a low IQ to be a cop.  The question
> was:  Did you know that if you score too high on an IQ test, they consider
> you to be too smart to be a cop?

...well I was invited to join MENSA...not that I did but my IQ is high
enough to be personally invited to join...and no I was NOT a career cop..
it was a collateral job I had to do that was *similiar* to other duties
I was assigned to do...maybe that's the difference..however the career
cops are a cross section of America..some very bright and some dumber
than a box of doughnuts.... we got em all...just like the rest of the
military..


>
> The man I saw on Good Morning America several months ago, who was rejected
> the position of patrol officer because he scored too high on his IQ test,
> will surely back up this argument.  I would hope that most jurisdictions
> don't have such ridiculous  criteria, but the area that this man lived in
> does.

..that's terrifying...however I wouldn't jump to conclusions based on
the opinion of *one* individual in *one* circumstance...there may be
alot more going on in the background that this individual isn't telling
anyone...AND doesn't *want* anyone to know...



>
> I don't think this is right.  This is just another example of how stupid
> our Government and their bureaucratic way of doing things can be.


...ahmen!


>
> Ok time to change this thread from bashing cops to bashing the real
> villains.  THE STINKING GOVERNMENT.     8-)

..which one...state? local? federal? or just a blanket statement?  ;-)

>
> On second thought.  It won't do any good.  I guess we might as well get
> back to just talking about motorcycles.
>

...probably a good idea..everytime we get a heated thread like this going
notice how we start getting all these "unsubscribe" requests?

I call it "herd thinning" to keep the distro list down.... ;-)



>
>
>
>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 12:16:25 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:16:04 -0400
From: "Warren W. Weiss" <wweiss@XXXXXX>
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sbeck@XXXXXX wrote:

  > On second thought.  It won't do any good.  I guess we might as well
  > get back to just talking about motorcycles.

Excellent idea!  Say, does anybody here know of an outfit that will press-out
bends in a wheel rim?  I didn't notice this til several months after I
purchased my bike, but the front wheel has a dent in it that appears like the
previous owner took a curb or a pothole too hard.  The bike is incredibly
stable at speed, so I don't believe the entire wheel is off-kilter, but I
would feel better if I could have it straightened.

--

************************************************************************
Warren W. Weiss     VMI '87          DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet
Sales Engineer                                           One DIGEX Plaza
mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX                            Beltsville, MD  20705
                                                    http://www.digex.net

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 12:28:31 1997
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Subject: ok, hold it in!


  Ok, it's Friday afternoon, the ol' man is takin a half day vacation, and
we're startin the weekend early, SO for all of you that STILL feel a burning
desire to keep responding to ME about MY comments concerning the HOV
cop...well, I mean the HOV politics, ricer, rocketeer, dressing, cops are
human, cops arent human etcetc thread.... just HOLD it till Monday. Im going
out riding.


Squeakers



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 12:59:00 1997
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>Ok time to change this thread from bashing cops to bashing the real
>villains.  THE STINKING GOVERNMENT.     8-)

HEY! We're not so bad!

Kirk
STINKING FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 13:14:14 1997
From: <dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, <harry@XXXXXX>
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here we go again.....


>>I feel I should warn you all that subscribers who send unsubscribe
>>messages to the dc-cycles list itself are tracked down by rookie cops
>>who beat them senseless with their nightsticks.
>>-harry


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 13:15:35 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:15:57 -0400
From: "Thomas H. Gimer" <tgimer@XXXXXX>
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Dave Choat wrote:
>
> Mitch wrote:
> >A bit naive, are we?  Police, many of them admittedly, look at society
> >with an US v. THEM attitude.
>     An opinion. Period.

I'm entitled to one, aren't I?  It's also an opinion that could be
substantiated with numerous pyshological studies of police officers.
That is not to say that all police officers look at society in this
way.....but I'd bet most in a big city would (yes, another opinion).

>
> >I bet they think you're kidding.
>     Another opinion.
>

Thanks for pointing that out.


> >Quite politically correct.  I'm sure I'm not alone, however, in
> >believing that this is basically a crock.
>     Which is the crock, Thomas? Your opinion that police are out to get
>     everyone and are not people?

Conveniently you cut out all of the text I was referring to.  Tell me
where I said that the police are not people....


> Or whether or not ploce officers
>     have a memory about people they see on their beat every day?

Have I mentioned this either?  I think you should go back and read what
_I_ have written if your intention is to direct these questions at me.


>     They remember rather a lot, and are not incapable of exercising field
>     judgements based on their experiences. New officers don't have
>     much, admittedly, Since that seems to be the lead off example,
>     perhaps your arguement applies only there. That is a pretty
>     broad brush you are using otherwise.

Broad brush with the US v. THEM statement...true.  Sorry.  The rest of
this crap?  Who knows where you got it.

Check out the alt.law-enforcement newsgroup and see if you can get a
response of some of this stuff if you're really interested.


--
Thomas H. Gimer                    tgimer@XXXXXX
*email address shown here (not in header) is valid*

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              .












>Ok time to change this thread from bashing cops to bashing the real
>villains.  THE STINKING GOVERNMENT.     8-)

HEY! We're not so bad!

Kirk
STINKING FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION


Present company excepted of course.  ;-)



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 13:23:48 1997
From: tjoseph@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:18:36 -0400
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Todd:

	As you know, it's an offensive term only if you get offended by it.
But, believe me, people DO call me a "ricer" or "rice boy" or some
variation on "rice", and yes, they DO mean to be offensive.  It happens
all the time.  It happens particularly from African Americans, who seem
to have a real animosity toward Asians.

	Am I offended?  No.  It generally confirms my first impression; that
this person is an idiot.  But at the same time, I know I'm pretty thick
skinned.  I grew up with that crap constantly being hurled at me.  I
literally got the shit beat out of me by a gang of teenage boys when I
was about 12 because North Korea seized the USS PUEBLO.  No reason other
than the fact that I am 1/2 Korean.  Did any of them get in trouble for
it?  Nope.  Not from their parents, not from the school where it
happened, not from the police.  When that kind of discrimination is your
normal experience, who can blame you for being a bit sensitive?

	So I don't think someone who IS offended by the term is being
unreasonably sensitive.  I DO think he or she should "get over it" and
look toward INTENT.  Did the person MEAN it to offend you?  In this
case, no, I don't think Squeakers did.  But if you're Asian, any term
with "rice" in it which is clearly not referring to the food staple is
treading on thin ice.

	People who call my bikes "riceburners" are NOT complimenting the
bikes.  The unstated inferrence is that they are inferior machines,
built by yellow-skinned people, in less-developed countries.  It is
clearly a different connotation than calling a Harley a HOG or calling a
Triumph a BRIT BIKE.

	Nonetheless, I am not offended.  One of my closest friends (a purist
who ONLY owns Harleys, Indians, and Ducatis) always ribs me about "when
are you going to give up those riceburners and buy real bikes?"  I just
bite my tongue, twist my throttle, and leave his "real bikes" in the
dust.  Then when he finally catches up, I tell him I prefer RIDING
motorcycles to FIXING motorcycles.  That's why I buy riceburners.

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 13:32:39 1997
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STINKING USDA.

	Damn, all we do is make sure your food crops are plentiful and cheap,
your forests are recreational and lush, your veggies are healthy, your
meat is safe, and those beautiful forest roads you love to ride on are
kept safe and maintained.  We REALLY need to get off your case, eh?

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 13:43:42 1997
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> Did you know that if you score too high on an IQ test, they consider
>you to be too smart to be a cop?
>
>The man I saw on Good Morning America several months ago, who was rejected
>the position of patrol officer because he scored too high on his IQ test,
>will surely back up this argument.  I would hope that most jurisdictions
>don't have such ridiculous  criteria, but the area that this man lived in
>does.

This could be related to the "overqualified" applicant.  If you've got a
PhD and want to drive a truck, the employer might figure you'll drive a
little while and then leave, because you're underemployed.

Chris Norloff





From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 13:48:31 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:45:25 -0400
From: "Aki.Damme" <aki.damme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Was: Constables...Now PC
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...nah...LAST thing I'm sensitive about is my heritage... (have to be since
I'm half Irish and half Japanese with a german last name!).  I was just getting
bored with the current thread and wanted it to change directions on something
that's equally as fun to thrash about (harleys vs hondas..etc)... ;-)

cheers,
-aki

>
> Aki,
>
>    Defending the apparently undefendable here.  I think she was referring
> to the preference of motorcycle and not your heritage.  I've never
> heard of a Japanese person ever called a 'ricer'.
>
>    Now, are you THAT sensitive, or just trying to pick a fight?
> Do you really feel harrassed because of what someone else thinks about
> what your wearing?  Fashion slave?  Knock it off and quit snivaling.
>
>      Todd
>
>      (put'n on my flame retardant suit now:-))
>
> >...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term
> >"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only
> >referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the
> >country of origin doesn't it? .  Additionally, you
> >go on to poke fun at what a person is wearing (e.g. colorful
> >clothes, large helmet)...right after saying that one should'n't
> >be harassed just because of what they're wearing...
> >
> >I won't *even* go into the Harley .vs. everyoneelseintheworld argument..
> >even if portions of the Harley *are* foreign...including
> >"ricer" parts... ;-)
> >
> >it still sounds like a double standard to me.
> >> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX
> >>
> >> At 10:51 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote:
> >> >
> >> >..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese
> >> >motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't
> >> >stereotype....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>   Actually, if you read what I said, then you'll see that I was saying that
> >> stereotypes doesnt make it ACCEPTABLE to HARRASS someone for. I DO have an
> >> "image" of SOME "ricers" and "rocketeers". Especially rocketeers. Ive never
> >> denied that. I dont think Ive ever HIDDEN that, either. *I* ride rice (for
> >> the moment. As soon as I can permanently get off it, I will). REGARDLESS of
> >> my "image" towards SOME riders ( And I DO mean SOME) I would NEVER condone
> >> or accept or rationalize their being set apart and harrassed by anyone for
> >> any reason. Even if they ARE dressed in spiffy multi colored full body
> >> armour and huge helmets that make their heads bob like those little toys you
> >> can get to put in your car window dash. Remember those? They're cute!
> >>
> >>
> >> Squeakers
>
>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 13:52:23 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:48:38 -0400
From: "Aki.Damme" <aki.damme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Bent Wheel Rims [Was: an endless thread about rookie cops, etc]
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don't know of one off hand, however I'm also curious if anyone knows
of a good aluminum wheel cleaner for my rims...the plastic "stuff" has
worn off long ago and now the rim looks pitted and dirty...I tried
naval jelly but it didn't seem to do much to get it "shiny"...maybe
Nevrdull?

cheers,
-aki

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>
> sbeck@XXXXXX wrote:
>
>   > On second thought.  It won't do any good.  I guess we might as well
>   > get back to just talking about motorcycles.
>
> Excellent idea!  Say, does anybody here know of an outfit that will press-out
> bends in a wheel rim?  I didn't notice this til several months after I
> purchased my bike, but the front wheel has a dent in it that appears like the
> previous owner took a curb or a pothole too hard.  The bike is incredibly
> stable at speed, so I don't believe the entire wheel is off-kilter, but I
> would feel better if I could have it straightened.
>
> --
>
> ************************************************************************
> Warren W. Weiss     VMI '87          DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet
> Sales Engineer                                           One DIGEX Plaza
> mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX                            Beltsville, MD  20705
>                                                     http://www.digex.net
>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 13:57:28 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:55:38 -0400
From: Dale Coyner <dale@XXXXXX>
Organization: Appalachian Highways
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Mike:

Yeah, I know all about Art Crow.  What a unique individual.

His Daytona "hearing dog" story is worth the price of admission alone.

He also has a new and very slick tire-changing machine that is kind to
my rims.

d.

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 14:00:22 1997
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Subject: Moto Mag
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:58:54 -0400
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Steve Beck wrote:

>It's too bad they don't have a WEB site.  They could put the events
>calendar on it, which would provide another way of checking what's going
on
>in the area.

Maybe we should put up a calendar on someone's web page and try and keep it
updated, any suggestions. I'd be willing to give it a try, maybe we could
post rides and so on.

Ck
Choose your weapon...............
RF600R
http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 14:02:09 1997
From: tjoseph@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:52:31 -0400
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Maybe I'm a weirdo (no need to respond to that statement - it's
rhetorical) but I think a list SHOULD have an occasional flame burst.
Kind of like getting your bike on a wide-open road and zipping it
through the gears to redline a few times.  Clears out the carbon
fouling.  It's certainly no reason to unsubscribe, is it?  If it is, I'm
on thin rice - oops, I meant ice.  Freudian slip.

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 14:09:36 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:08:57 -0400 (EDT)
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>	Nonetheless, I am not offended.  One of my closest friends (a purist
>who ONLY owns Harleys, Indians, and Ducatis) always ribs me about "when
>are you going to give up those riceburners and buy real bikes?"

SInce when is purist associated with people who buy bikes from different
countries? With few exceptions (Ducati's 916, for example), few brand new
Harleys can keep pace with the state of the art Japanese bikes, just ask the
editors of Motorcyclist magazine who named Hondas the top of practically
every class of motorcycle.
_Keep the shiny side up._


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 14:14:16 1997
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At 13:23 08:01:1997 -0400, you wrote:
>STINKING USDA.
>
>	Damn, all we do is make sure your food crops are plentiful and cheap,
>your forests are recreational and lush, your veggies are healthy, your
>meat is safe, and those beautiful forest roads you love to ride on are
>kept safe and maintained.  We REALLY need to get off your case, eh?
>
Yeah, all those farmers and food companies want to give their customers bad
meat and bad veggies. That'll ensure repeat customers (pun intended). And
they'll all immediately start growing lima beans and brussel sprouts if left
unchecked. I personally thank God every day for government regulations
(check out the new helmet laws in Texas as an example).

Mike
1990 CB-1
_Keep the shiny side up._


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 15:43:51 1997
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>Yeah, I know all about Art Crow.  What a unique individual.
Understatement

>His Daytona "hearing dog" story is worth the price of admission alone.
Thought I was gonna die from laughing - anybody but Art and I wouldn't have
believed them.

>He also has a new and very slick tire-changing machine that is kind to my
rims.
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 16:42:27 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 16:42:09 -0400
From: "Warren W. Weiss" <wweiss@XXXXXX>
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Todd B Peer wrote:

  > You did'nt say if it was steel or magnesium.  Steel would be easier
  > to bend as you know.

It's the stock steel wheel.  yeah, mag or aluminum wheels are best replaced or
left alone if they aren't too damaged.


  > Consider purchasing a salvaged wheel to fit.

You have to be very careful that the wheel isn't off a wrecked bike.  I
converted the 19" front wheel on my CB750 to an 18" wheel from a wrecked CB450
(I believe) one time.  The front end shimmied dangerously above 30 mph.  A
trip to a shop set everything in order, though.  The old ComCast or ComStar or
ComWhatever were apparently easy to fix.

The bike is a '91 Zephyr 750.


--

************************************************************************
Warren W. Weiss     VMI '87          DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet
Sales Engineer                                           One DIGEX Plaza
mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX                            Beltsville, MD  20705
                                                    http://www.digex.net

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 17:17:59 1997
From: Polakj@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:17:17 -0400 (EDT)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: subscribe

subscribe

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 18:04:23 1997
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 18:03:19 -0400
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From: "Collin T. Fagan" <cfagan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Humidity problems?
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Greetings all,
Before I get to my question on humidity problems.....
I read very few of the posts on the last thread, but I did note several
unsubscribes (even if they were to the wrong address) and there were
probably many more that went to the right one.  As for the occasional
"flame battle" clearing out the pipes, all it is doing is pushing out some
of the long time riders that were hear to share their knowledge on bikes.
Occasional would be OK, but over the past year, it seems that occasional is
every other week!!
Sorry for that....On to my problems...

Has anyone else out there had problems when the heat and humidity skyrocket??
Last Sunday I went on a great ride out into West VA.  Unfortuneately, my
bike was running like dog snot the whole day.  Although the needle never
went way too high like it does in traffic, my bike ran very hot.  Enough so
to get some dribbles out of the radiator overflow (this has never happened
before).  The ambient air temp was around 100+- some, and the humidity was
way up too.
The bike was also running extremely rich.  The exhaust shows signs of it
(lots of carbon on the pipe), and my fuel consumption was way above normal.
My bike is tuned for sea level (but it's been a while) and most of the ride
was at a pretty spirited pace and also at elevation (mountains most of the
day).
I especially noticed the problems off idle.  Taking off from a stop, the
bike really bogged down, came back up OK after 3k, hiccupped again between
5 and 6k then continued on.  The entire day I noticed a marked decrease in
power.
Other pieces of info:  New plugs and Golden Spectro oil 2 days before (no
problems with the synthetic blend in the past, and the same type plugs as
always use).  Valves are nearing need for adjustment, but I don't think
that really factors too much (I could be wrong...wouldn't be the first
time).  Bike has 23k hard ridden (those that know me...) miles total, no
rebuilds, or other major work, etc.

Since the humidity and temps have come back down, everything seems to be
back to normal, although the daily commute is nowhere near as taxing on the
bike as the weekend riding.

Anyone out there have any ideas...similar experiences??

Ironically, the day that whole HOV cop thingy started, I had had that
thought on the way to work on 66...."wouldn't it be strange if a cop
stopped me and said bikes weren't allowed on HOV..."  Hope I didn't jinx
the poor fella.

Collin
_________________________________________
Collin and Penny Fagan
LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard
(202) 366-0067 (work)
(703) 356-4279 (home)
(703) 816-7255 (pager)
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/
ride.html (ride sheets)
bike.html (pics of the bikes)

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 18:16:19 1997
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From: John Whiteside <whiteside@XXXXXX>
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At 11:24 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote:
>
>...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term
>"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only
>referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the
>country of origin doesn't it? .

Thanks for saying this; I grimace every time I read or hear one of those
idiotic "rice" comments.

Hey, maybe we can call Harleys "wheaties" or "cornies" or something from
now on.



* * *
John Whiteside
Washington, DC


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 18:16:20 1997
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At 12:05 PM 8/1/97 -0400, Todd B Peer wrote:

>   Defending the apparently undefendable here.  I think she was referring
>to the preference of motorcycle and not your heritage.  I've never
>heard of a Japanese person ever called a 'ricer'.
>
>   Now, are you THAT sensitive, or just trying to pick a fight?
>Do you really feel harrassed because of what someone else thinks about
>what your wearing?  Fashion slave?  Knock it off and quit snivaling.

I think it's fair to point out that there is potentially a racist
connotation to a term like "ricer," even if racism isn't what the original
writer intended (and I think it pretty clearly is NOT what was intended).



* * *
John Whiteside
Washington, DC


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From: John Whiteside <whiteside@XXXXXX>
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At 02:13 PM 8/1/97 -0400, M.P. Tolocka wrote:

>Yeah, all those farmers and food companies want to give their customers bad
>meat and bad veggies. That'll ensure repeat customers (pun intended). And
>they'll all immediately start growing lima beans and brussel sprouts if left
>unchecked. I personally thank God every day for government regulations
>(check out the new helmet laws in Texas as an example).

As long as we're getting off topic -- the people growing and processing
food tend to operate on thin margins, and a good regimen of sanitation and
testing costs money. Food producers mean well, but they are under
tremendous economic pressure, and mistakes happen. That's why the
government requires certain sanitary procedures and certain types of testing.

Since you can't feed a highly urban society like ours by having everyone
grow their own food or get it from some closeby, this is a necessity, and I
for one am very glad that there are government regulations designed to make
sure that food is safe, even after it's processed, stored, shipped around
the country, etc.

John, who used to work for a company that made food and dairy safety test
equipment.


* * *
John Whiteside
Washington, DC


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 18:32:27 1997
From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:31:48 -0400 (EDT)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: VFRs at Mont. College, Rockville

In a message dated 97-08-01 10:18:36 EDT, I wrote:

<<
 Hey, y'all-

 It was gratifying to see a 90 and a 94+ VFR sitting by my 87 at MC today.
  Was it anybody here?
  >>


Somebody's server is _real slow_.  I sent this message Thursday afternoon and
recieved it Friday afternoon.  That means the VFRs were there Thursday.  I
don't know what was there today, 'cause I wasn't.

Later
Kevin

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 18:47:12 1997
From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:46:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: lansford@XXXXXX@iname.com, burdo@XXXXXX,
        Speed.racer@XXXXXX, modern@XXXXXX, VFRdgz@XXXXXX,
        jolie@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: 92 VFR sold!!!!

Hey, y'all-

Just want to thank all involved for their interest and support, especially
those who contributed webpage bandwidth for my photos.  I've sold my wrecked
92 VFR to a dc-cycles lister, who will surely want to give you the news
himself, so I'll say no more about him.

After many attempts at other deals, I do actually have a certified check, and
he actually has the title and bill of sale.  I still have the bike for a few
hours.

I got what I paid for it (and the extra parts), and that's all I needed.
 Just didn't have the time to cope with fixing it.  The new owner has the
most of the parts lined up and will get to work soon.

Andrew, could you please bounce this note over to the VFR list?  Thanks.

Thats all, folks.

Kevin
Now only one VFR

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 18:55:48 1997
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 97 18:50:33 -0500
From: "Brian McCoy"<bmccoy@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Seeing bikes... and VFR's in particular..
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     I'm gonna jump in and follow Kevins desire to know if someone's been
     riding somewhere...

     2:30pm, Friday afternoon... Route 1 and Contee road in Laurel, MD.  I
     saw a pretty clean 93 VFR, white lid, shorts and t-shirt... going
     south on route 1.. anyone here?

     How about a F2 a few minutes later at the junction of contee and Van
     Dusen road... rider and pillion, again, in shorts... heading south on
     Van Dusen?


     Just curious.....


     Ride safe (and I envy those who have tomorrow off).

        Brian



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 19:06:06 1997
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 19:05:16 -0400
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Subject: Online Calendar
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That's a pretty good idea.  I've been toying with the idea of a message
board on my website anyhow....Give me the weekend and maybe a few days next
week to get everything set up and we'll see how it goes.
Collin
ps: For anyone new on the list, I have a handful of ride sheets on my web
page already.  More contributions are always encouraged :)
CT
_________________________________________
Collin and Penny Fagan
LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard
(202) 366-0067 (work)
(703) 356-4279 (home)
(703) 816-7255 (pager)
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/
ride.html (ride sheets)
bike.html (pics of the bikes)

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 19:50:38 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:50:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald DiPaula <dipaula@XXXXXX>
To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: batter charger
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i have a 1 amp motorcycle battery charger (trickle charger) for sale.  (i've
replaced it with a "smart" battery tender that won't overcharge a fully
charged battery).  less than 1 year old, works perfectly, $10 if you pick it
up (i live in laurel).

-D-

Cynthia Alice DiPaula was born 9 June 1997, 3:36 p.m., 7 lb. 10 oz., 20.5"

"Damage jackals ripping right through you: sight and smell of this it, gets
me going." -JH

My 1988 Mazda MX-6 is for sale, email me if interested.
My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is for sale, email me if interested, or read my
<a href="http://www.access.digex.net/~dipaula/cb1.html">CB-1 description</a>


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 20:46:30 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:45:59 -0400 (EDT)
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From: Squeakers <squeaks@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC


>>   Defending the apparently undefendable here.  I think she was referring
>>to the preference of motorcycle and not your heritage.  I've never
>>heard of a Japanese person ever called a 'ricer'.
>>
>>   Now, are you THAT sensitive, or just trying to pick a fight?
>>Do you really feel harrassed because of what someone else thinks about
>>what your wearing?  Fashion slave?  Knock it off and quit snivaling.
>
>I think it's fair to point out that there is potentially a racist
>connotation to a term like "ricer," even if racism isn't what the original
>writer intended (and I think it pretty clearly is NOT what was intended).
>

  Me again. Home for a few. As far as Im concerned, EVERYTHING is going to
seem "racist" to someone, somewhere. Or at least thats the way it seems to
have gotten. Have we become that thin skinned in this country? I didnt mean
"ricer" as in a people, I meant "ricer" as in a bike. Shit, even *I* ride
rice at the moment, and dont mind calling MY bike a ricer. If you choose to
take what I say as being racist, then be my guest. It's your choice to
interpret and believe whatever you want. I absolutely will NOT change what I
say for anyone. Bikes made in Japan are called "rice". Harleys are called
HOGS. As in a fucking PIG, for gods sake. I cant believe this entire
conversation. Calling a japanese bike a "ricer" is potentially racist? Get a
grip, people.


Squeakers-feeling disgusted
>


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 21:31:05 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 21:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: 92 VFR sold!!!!
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     Congratulations.  I swear if I wasn't stretched so thin for cash
     you and I would've been shakin' hands.  I rode with Allen Wheat
     last weekend and got to see his '92 up close.  A very impressive
     ride.

     Next year (when I have the dough) I will definately be in search
     of the '92 ViFR.

          Todd

Hey, y'all-

Just want to thank all involved for their interest and support, especially
those who contributed webpage bandwidth for my photos.  I've sold my wrecked
92 VFR to a dc-cycles lister, who will surely want to give you the news
himself, so I'll say no more about him.

<<snpt>>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 21:44:17 1997
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 21:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC
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>
>I think it's fair to point out that there is potentially a racist
>connotation to a term like "ricer," even if racism isn't what the original
>writer intended (and I think it pretty clearly is NOT what was intended).
>

  Me again. Home for a few. As far as Im concerned, EVERYTHING is going to
seem "racist" to someone, somewhere. Or at least thats the way it seems to
have gotten. Have we become that thin skinned in this country?

<<snpt>> Bikes made in Japan are called "rice". Harleys are called
HOGS. As in a fucking PIG, for gods sake. I cant believe this entire
conversation. Calling a japanese bike a "ricer" is potentially racist? Get a
grip, people.

     I thought Harleys were called Hardlys.  As in Hardly ever runs
     the way you want.  Hardly ever gets dirty with bugs (loud pipes
     save 'bugs').....just kidding.. ;^)

          Todd

     PS.
          Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay,
     and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially
     those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort
     of gathering of DC-Cycles.  'The DC-Cycles Summit'.  It's been
     my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to
     be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool.  I'm thinking
     October 10th to party, friends family and association.  If I get
     a good response I'll look into location.  If not, I'm moving to
     Baltimore.

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 21:56:49 1997
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Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC


>     I thought Harleys were called Hardlys.  As in Hardly ever runs
>     the way you want.  Hardly ever gets dirty with bugs (loud pipes
>     save 'bugs').....just kidding.. ;^)


hehehe Ive heard em all!!!   :)  :) Dont forget the "pickup trucks and
Harley relationship" stuff. youknow,they break so down much yagotta put em
in the back of a pickup.  :)  :)

>
>     PS.
>          Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay,
>     and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially
>     those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort
>     of gathering of DC-Cycles.  'The DC-Cycles Summit'.  It's been
>     my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to
>     be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool.  I'm thinking
>     October 10th to party, friends family and association.  If I get
>     a good response I'll look into location.  If not, I'm moving to
>     Baltimore.
>
>  That MIGHT actually be FUN! 'course, that COULd be thevodka thinkin that.
Nope, i think it WOUDL be! let me Know what you come Up with! hehehe 6that
sounds DIRTY!!! :)  :) nevera mind

 hey brian!!! wahtcha tink!!   :)   :)

Squeakers


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     what follows has been QUOTED...
 hey brian!!! wahtcha tink!!   :)   :)

Squeakers
     what precedes has been QUOTED.


     I can tink??  damn, unrealized skill.... I've had varied experiences
     meeting people from the net... as long as noone wants me to adorn
     their living room.. I'll be fine.


     brian



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Fri Aug  1 23:28:02 1997
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 23:17:31 +45722824 (EDT)
From: "Gil M. Nissley" <gnissley@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bent Wheel Rims
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On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Aki.Damme wrote:
> don't know of one off hand, however I'm also curious if anyone knows
> of a good aluminum wheel cleaner for my rims...the plastic "stuff" has
> worn off long ago and now the rim looks pitted and dirty...I tried
> naval jelly but it didn't seem to do much to get it "shiny"...maybe
> Nevrdull?

  Nah,you need real polish.Nevrdull might get them shiny,but it won't
protect from corrosion.Try MAAS,or if you can find it,Flitz.I used to
have a tube of Flitz,and I use MAAS on my PM wheels.


The official BuellBoy Genes model.

gnissley@XXXXXX   GATB#1121   HSB#38DT

Buell S1 Lightning   "The Pretty Hate Machine"




From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sat Aug  2 00:44:47 1997
From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 00:44:03 -0400 (EDT)
To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: list party

Hey, y'all-

Was that Todd who came up with the party idea?  Whoever it was, I'll be
there.  Oct 10 is just 9 days before I turn the big 3-0, so I could use a
party.

Later
Kevin

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sat Aug  2 01:19:22 1997
From: Dark Hacker <hacker@XXXXXX>
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:19:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Moto & non-moto related


	From: sbeck@XXXXXX
	Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:51:51 -0400
	Subject: Re: Moto & non-moto related

	It's too bad they don't have a WEB site.  They could put the
	events calendar on it, which would provide another way of
	checking what's going on in the area.

The last time I talked to the editor of the Motorcycle Times he said that
they were looking into getting a web page.  Until that happens I'm typing
in bits and pieces of their schedule into the CAMS events page.  No way
I can keep up with the shear volume of stuff in the Times so it isn't
always up to date or accurate.

- Hacker

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sat Aug  2 07:15:11 1997
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From: Leon Begeman <mrider@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop

Squeakers wrote:
>
>Hell, on my
>itty bike, I rarely even go much over the speed limit. Yet, I get followed.
>Quite often. Why?
>
Well . . . I'd follow a blond on a bike anywhere she wanted to take me.  :-)

Leon.


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sat Aug  2 10:39:19 1997
From: Stephen <frosty@XXXXXX>
To: "'DC Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Herd Thinning [was: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop...ff
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So we should all be nice to the cops? Unfortunately we don't know if =
they are pro choice or not. I'd think that asking wouldn't be too cool, =
but then again, maybe it would let us know. Maybe there is a correlation =
between officers who are pro-choice, or pro-life, and officers who =
routinely pull over motorcyclists to see if their registration is up to =
date, and their license valid.

Since a majority of patrol officers (unfortunately) are male, and =
statistically, about 10% of the male population is gay, shouldn't we get =
to meet a whole bunch of gay police officers (and I'm not just referring =
to the happy ones) before we get off a motorcycle that final time.

Can we stop these questionably m/c related threads that take up huge =
bandwidth (perhaps I need a new provider), or can talk about motorcycles =
so the good folks on this list don't all get bored out of their trees.

> On second thought.  It won't do any good.  I guess we might as well =
get
> back to just talking about motorcycles.

..probably a good idea..everytime we get a heated thread like this =
going
notice how we start getting all these "unsubscribe" requests? =20

I call it "herd thinning" to keep the distro list down.... ;-)


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sat Aug  2 14:40:31 1997
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     Unfortunataly, I've got a MARRC party that same day... I think I'm
     going to go hang arround with the MARRC guys....


     Brian

     P.S. Kevin... dang, I thought you were a tad younger... guess the
     VFR(old mans sport bike) is living up to it's name here....


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Hey, y'all-

Was that Todd who came up with the party idea?  Whoever it was, I'll be
there.  Oct 10 is just 9 days before I turn the big 3-0, so I could use a
party.

Later
Kevin




From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sat Aug  2 16:14:47 1997
From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:14:00 -0400 (EDT)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: free ticket to Summit Point

Hey, y'all-

I have a wristband for the races tomorrow that I'm not using.  A bit of tape
and it'll be good as new.  I don't know how Collin gets these things off
without cutting them.  Anyway, you can come get it any time.  I'm in Potomac
MD, just 3-4 miles from the 270 exits at Falls or Montrose.  Easy to find.
 I'll put it out in the mailbox, but call (before midnite) and tell me that
you want it so nobody comes for it after it's gone.  If you don't get this
note before midnite, you're welcome to check my box anyway.  I'll put the
intended recipient's name on it.  If there's no name, take it.  I'll put some
tape out there too.

Phone 301-424-5319

>From 270 and Falls, take Falls west, 3rd light turn right on Falls Chapel,
2nd stopsign turn left on Wooden Bridge, next left on Stable House Ct, I'm
2nd on left, 12608, the one with all the cars.

>From 270 and Montrose, take Montrose west to the end at Falls, turn right on
Falls, first light turn left on Falls Chapel, continue as above.

Later
Kevin

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sat Aug  2 18:58:36 1997
From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:57:55 -0400 (EDT)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Sharon *sans wheels*... noooooo!

Hi Everyone!

Well, Jon has led the advance charge to Phoenix - our new home -  aboard
Wasabi (Green  Ninja 750). I am left behind for the next two weeks with no
way to ride. I'll be reading the invitations and recaps with a heavy and
jealous heart. This totally bites the big one. Think of me as you ride...
*sniff sniff*

Anybody planning a trek across the western desert, give us a call! My email
will remain Barbelle14@XXXXXX.

BTW - I will obviously need to de-subscribe as of 8/15.

Thanks for everything!

Sharon



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sun Aug  3 13:50:04 1997
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 13:50:38 -0700
From: "John C. Kozyn" <jckozyn@XXXXXX>
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Hey Gang (DC Cycles + VF/VFR List),

Saturday I cornered for MARRC <http://marrc.nova.org/> during the WERA
National race <http://www.wera.com/>, which was held at Summit Point,
W.VA. This was a four hour endurance race.

Unfortunately, about 90 minutes was lost due to rain, and a number of
red-flag incidents. One unlucky rider high-sided at turn #8 and both he
and Suzook cart-wheeled about 100' or more directly in front of me (deep
pickup position, for the cognoscenti).

It was not pretty. The rider managed to crawl off the track (rider's
right), the bike lay on its side in the very middle and racers were
passing on both sides. I checked how he was (in a bit of pain) and
assured him the ambulance was right there. In what was to me a very long
time, but was probably less than 30 seconds, the race was finally
red-flagged. I ventured out carefully onto the track, picked up the bike
while riders were now passing me at a more moderate 35 or so ;)and moved
it off the track.

The ambulance came right away and the ET's put an icepack on his foot
and brought him to the hospital. I hope No. 401 (never did find out his
name) is recuperating. That was a nasty spill !

On a lighter note, I filled up the tank of the ole' Interceptor with
"Purple" 115 racing fuel, while at the track. It cost about $4.00/gal.
My seat of the pants reaction on the brisk Dulles Greenway ride home
=8^D was that acceleration was not only improved, but the engine even
seemed to run smoother.

Other VFR news. Saw a couple of interesting VFRs too. A very nice 1986
VFR700 - white, completely stock the owner picked up in B'more. VF cool
;) And another white one, this time a '91 (I think), mint, with an
incongruous tailpack (hard-shell, white) which looked better suited to a
PC or a GW, but whatever... Oh yeah, and several 92-97 (how can you
tell?) VFRs.

Later,

JK
<http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn>

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sun Aug  3 19:33:20 1997
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     Whee... I'm just replying from John's e-mail about the Summit Point
     experience... (BTW, 92-93 are the same as 90-91, they change in 94 to
     be identical... *grin*)  I want to know, first and foremost, were
     there any VFR listers in Elphtra (SP!), PA today?  I saw tons of
     bikes.. everything from an 86 700, and 87 700F2 (VFR guys... you
     know), an 86 VFkR, and lots and lots of 90-97 VFRs... One particularly
     pristine, sleeper 93 (no stickers) that had a pearlized windscreen..
     Also saw, and sat on, a new Bimota YB11... wow, impressive looking,
     and sounding.  A beautiful Mike Hailwood Ducati replica was also in
     attendance... (all of these bike were ridden there.. or at least I
     think so.. didn't see any trailers... but then again, I've never seen
     so many harleys in one place at one time without most of the being
     towed... *shrug*)  We stuck arround for maybe 2 hours... talking to
     people, looking at the bikes, and just generaly COOKING (hot day
     today).  Took off for home...

     The ride was kinda sorry I must say... Mostly interstate up there, and
     slow, non-curvy - heavily traveled roads home.  Some pretty country..
     lots of omish on the roads today..  Another ride with HSTA might
     happen, but only if I can't line up another ride for that day...

     This ones just short and sweet.. I still haven't showered, and I'm
     just doing a quick e-mail check.. everyone ride safe, and enjoy
     yourselves.


     Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f (Ducati ST2 or 94+VFR next?)



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Sun Aug  3 22:25:00 1997
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 22:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: deal's gap, bears & more
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X-post from HSTA...

This kinda suks for me since I'm planning for the TN-STAR, just beyond
Deals GAP.  I WILL pass on the yellow lines.

Forwarded message:
_________________________________________________________________
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 19:14:00 -0500
Sender: owner-hsta@XXXXXX
From: Tom Catron <catrontf@XXXXXX>
To: Honda Sport Touring Association  <hsta@XXXXXX>
Subject: deal's gap, bears & more

My wife arranged for a cabin in the Smokey Mountains last week and I was
able to take my ST due to the fine break in the weather (she drove the
kids in the cage-wagon).

I left Wednesday and went straight to Deal's Gap to run the dragon.
What a suprise (read "disappointment") to find 18 wheeler traffic going
over Rte 129.  About 2 miles into the Dragon, I encountered my first big
truck, with 4 cars behind it.  It was nearly stuck on a switch-back,
consuming both lanes of traffic and the trailer wheels threatening to
take the guard rails out.

I quickly passed the truck (and cars) and decided to escort this thing
thru the gap.  So I rode about 1/4 mile in front and stopping traffic
(in the switch backs) or warning people to slow down.  It took about
25 minutes to get to the Crossroads store.  While gassing up and getting
a cold drink, 2 other big trucks went through.  As I suited up to go
back over the dragon and on to our cabin, I got behind another 18
wheeler.  Since I was in no mood to escort, I simply passed him and
pressed on.

Then I encountered an 18 wheeler coming from the opposite direction.
Major pucker factor, as these guys don't bother slowing down and consume
all possible asphalt going thru the tightest corners.  What a bummer!  I
approached every corner thereafter with great caution and little speed.
 That was 318 curves in 11 miles of pure anxiety.

Oh yeah, there were pictures on the wall of the Crossroads store of the
Deputy Sheriff that took chase of a sport bike.  The county-mounty
promptly went off the road and down the mtn in his hot pursuit.
Fortunately, he was unhurt, but was suspended 10 days for chasing a MC
(apparently forbidden due to the danger).  Turns out the MC rider
(leaving his license plate at the store) deliberately provoked (using
the universal middle finger sign) the deputy  because the deputy had
shot his pit bull.  Oh well, not exactly how I would handle it.

On the return trip home (Sunday), I had to go through Deal's Gap again.
 This time there were no big trucks and the sport riders were out in
force.  It appears that I40 (in ASheville, NC) may be closed for several
more months and the traffic will continue to use Rte 129.  SO if you
visit Deal's Gap during the weekday, beware what you might encounter in
a tight turn.

I continued down Rte 129 to towards Robbinsville, NC to pick up the new
Scenic Byway to Tellico Plains (the parkway name escapes, but it was
something like Chernobyl, er Charanola, or something like that).  This
is a very scenic parkway that connects Rte 143 (NC) and Rte 165 (TN) and
reputed to be unfriendly to motorcyclists.

Fortunately, I didn'y see any patrols.  I did see a momma black bear
crossing the road with her 2 cubs (my second life-time bear encounter).
 I stopped and watched at about 40 yards.  Momma stopped at the other
side of the road and looked at me as if to say "don't mess with my kids"
and was off into the thickets.

Later I was promptly passed (why does this always happen?) by 3 Hawks (2
VTRs and 1 GT-650).  I rode with them at an accelerated pace for about
10 miles and had a blast.  I did notice that despite their speed, they
never passed on the dble yellow line.  I don't understand the 30 mph
posted speed on the TN side.  Still, it is a ride worth taking.

As I crossed over the Watts Barr damn (site of the Watts Barr nuclear
power plant), I was struck by the roadside signs that read:  "Watts Barr
Evacuation Route".  Just in case, I suppose.

I won't bore you with the rest of the twisty windy roads back to
Nashville.

Tom
STOC, HSTA
93 ST1100  RompSTer

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 03:08:29 1997
From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:07:30 -0400 (EDT)
To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: deal's gap, bears & more

Hey, y'all-

I've heard before about the logging trucks running thru the Gap, and it
doesn't really make me want to go out there.  They really get all over the
road, even when I-40 isn't closed.

Later
Kevin

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 07:26:15 1997
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To: dc-cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: deal's gap, bears & more
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>It appears that I40 (in ASheville, NC) may be closed for several more
months...<

I did my IronButt qualification ride (SS1000) last summer - the route
included I-40 west to I-81 - at that time, I-40 had one lane shut down for
repairs causing a 19 mile backup. I was polite for a bit (I stayed in
traffic), but it soon became obvious that I would either melt my engine by
keeping it running with no airflow or kill the battery from repeated starts
- so I took to the shoulder and continued on in 1st gear at about 5-10 MPH.
After a bit, I came up to one of North Carolina'a finest stuck in traffic.

I could see him watching me in his mirror as I approached, so I stopped
beside his car, pointed to my engine and made a fanning motion with my hand
- nice guy - he waved me on.

Even so, it took 90 minutes to cover the 30 miles to Newport TN (vs the 25
minutes I had planned).

One does wonder how long an Interstate can be shut down....

Michael Jordan
'86 SRX-6
'93 GSX 1100GP
AMA
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>I filled up the tank of the ole' Interceptor with "Purple" 115 racing
fuel, while at the track. It cost about $4.00/gal.<

FWIW - I just returned from the UK last week - that's just about what pump
gas costs there.

I did stumble across a vintage moto whilst rambling about - the sound of
blatting thumpers and burned castor alerted me that something was happening
- I saw the course from the road, found the most likely dirt path up the
hill (for the car), turned into the parking area and suddenly, it was
1972!

Greeves, Bultacos, Montesas, BSAs (Gold Stars and others - a few Victors),
Triumphs (mostly in Metisse drag), the assorted AJS and even a JAP powered
machine.

If I got any decent photos, I'll make them available to the list when I get
the film processed.

Oh yeah - the entire week was beautiful - temps in the high 70s and clear
skies (and me in a rented Escort - next time it WILL be a bike - the roads
are too good to pass up again)

Michael Jordan
'86 SRX-6
'93 GSX 1100GP
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>          Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay,
>     and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially
>     those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort
>     of gathering of DC-Cycles.  'The DC-Cycles Summit'.  It's been
>     my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to
>     be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool.  I'm thinking
>     October 10th to party, friends family and association.

That's a Friday -- were you thinking of an evening party?  How about a
ride-in instead?

In principle, I think it would be a grand idea.

Chris Norloff





From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 08:39:08 1997
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Subject: RF 600
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I own an RF 600 and they are indeed a really nice bike, it was a decision
of either buying a katana 600 which was 500.00 cheaper. I liked the bigger
fairing and tires and the racer styling and looks. I have since then found
out that I need to do some little upgrades, like tires a better seat for
longer rides and whatever else I like in the future, But all in all the
bike is very nice, plus it's rare to see them which makes it stick out in a
crowd of 3 or 4 CBR's, GSXR's or ZX's so a stock bike looks cool and you
don't have to do much customizing.

Just my .02

Ck
Choose your weapon...............
RF600R
http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm



From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 10:12:16 1997
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Calendar, party
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     Hey, that's right.  Helps to look at a calender.  Thus far I am
     pleased with the responses I've gotten.  Looks like I don't need
     to pak it to Baltimore after all.

     Two points were brought to my attention; 1) October 10th is Yom
     Kippur(sp), and 2) that is the weekend of a MARRC party.  So,
     here is another suggestion.  Have the clan meet on October 18th
     (which is a Saturday, I checked).  I believe there is a PARR Fall
     Foliage poker run on Sunday.

     At this time I'd be willing to host if people would'nt mind bringing
     some food and making a beer money contribution (I've got a 'frig
     with tap).  I've also got plenty of space to crash (er...rest).
     Then, on Sunday make it out to the Poker Run.

          Todd

     PS. further rsvp appreciated so I know how much effort to put
     into this.

>          Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay,
>     and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially
>     those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort
>     of gathering of DC-Cycles.  'The DC-Cycles Summit'.  It's been
>     my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to
>     be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool.  I'm thinking
>     October 10th to party, friends family and association.

That's a Friday -- were you thinking of an evening party?  How about a
ride-in instead?

In principle, I think it would be a grand idea.

Chris Norloff





From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 10:42:25 1997
From: <dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: DC CYCLES PARRR-TAYYYY!!!!
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:39:16 -0400
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Personally, I'm glad you don't have to move to Baltimore!  : )

(Non Moto Note:  As a lifelong Pittsburgh Steelers fan, I used to pick on the
Cleveland Browns, then I moved down here, and that darned team
followed me.  Of course, they are the Ravens now.  Same crappy team.
Therefore, I feel sorry for Baltimore, and Baltimorons

The DC Cycles Summit idea sounds great, Todd!  The 18th is looking good
so far.  I hadn't heard about PARR ride, so that's even better.  Everyone,
bring your bikes in and show 'em off!  Sounds like a fun party in the making.

Anyone else interested in this?  Come on now, pipe up!

Horkster

`The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1982 Yamaha Virago 750

Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line,
off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net.




From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 11:02:21 1997
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:00:32 -0400
From: Dale Coyner <dale@XXXXXX>
Organization: Appalachian Highways
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All:

FWIW, I spent a little time out in western Virginia yesterday, mapping
the route for the 3rd Appalachian Highways Tour.  Ran across an
interesting little dot on the map called Siler.  Not much there except
for a picturesque country store.  The surrounding area is beautiful and
the road is sufficiently swoopy.  It's a good destination for a day
ride.

Speaking of the Highways tour, if you like relaxed touring, good
company, and great food and lodging, you should consider joining us.
The tour runs the last weekend of September, and it benefits the
Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the US, aka the Ride For Kids.  If
you'd like details, check out http://www.his.com/dale/tour.htm

d.

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 13:35:55 1997
From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
To: "'DC Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: MIR Drag Sunday!
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Sunday was a great time over at MIR for the all-motorcycle shootout!!

I didn't do as well on the E.T. and trap speed as expected though.  This
was my first time at the track on a bike, and it was awesome even if I
didn't break into the 9's.

I managed to run a 10.8x @ 128mph the first run, and after a couple
more runs, and dropped into consistant10.7's @ 129mph with some
practice.  The secret is obviously in your launch technique and shown
by the 60' and 1/8th mile E.T. and trap speeds.

Considering that ZX11's turn 10.28 @ 134mph stock, I thought I would
do better, but let me be the first to tell you that it is ALOT more
difficult
than you think!!  I'm sure I can make up another .50-.70 in the 1/8th
with another few weeks of practice.

Another problem I had is that I've changed my gearing (-1 on the front
sprocket and +2 teeth on the rear), so I was forced to shift into 5th gear
just before the finish line @ redline.  Stock gearing allows you to pull
the
entire 1/4 mile in 4th gear.  But I like the gears I have for street
riding..

My 60' times were 1.70's by the end of the day, but I'd expected to do
alot better.  My 1/8 mile marks read 6.9's and 7.0's, so I know THAT is
where
I need to make the improvements.

There were some dudes there ripping off 10.40's on GSXR-750s with alot
slower trap speeds, so I know that there is ALOT quicker E.T. and trap
coming with more practice.

My friend Rich made 2nd round bracket elimination's on his CBR900RR
with a best E.T. of 11.17 @ 124mph.  His average runs were 11.3's @ 120mph.

My other friend Dave with his 145HP ZX11 turned real low 11.0's @ 134mph
or so last time I talked to him, but not sure if he broke into the 10's or
not.
His bike definitely shows it's power in the trap speed.

I'd say we did pretty good for track virgins, and we're looking forward to
heading back and learning more and improving our off-the-line launches.

The best part of the day was when I stomped a drag-ready GSXR-100 with
lowered suspension and extended swingarm, etc.  The GSXR looked very
intimidating but that just proves that a fast bike doesn't mean squat if
you
can't put the power to the ground!

See you guys next Friday night @ MIR for practice ($12) 6pm!

Berg
'95 ZX11D

Bergie Frazier, Jr., Owner

Paragon Consulting
4451 Brookfield Corporate Drive, Suite 112
Chantilly, VA 20151-1693
TEL:  703-968-3023
FAX:  703-968-3025
EMAIL: bergie@XXXXXX
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STORE HOURS: 9AM-6PM Monday-Thursday, Friday 9-3pm

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 13:52:40 1997
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>The best part of the day was when I stomped a drag-ready GSXR-100

I've taken drag-ready GSXR-100s with my Hawk GT. Like they say, "there's no
replacement for displacement." I'm suprised there are so many of these
little GSXRs out there, I thought they were Japan only bikes...

Seriously, while I was tempted with going out to this thing I think it
would simply be embarrassing for the bike and myself. Hawks just ain't drag
racers. Take your ZX-11 to the twisties though and it may be another story
altogether...

Thanks for the report,

Kirk


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 15:12:35 1997
From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
To: "Yates, David" <yatesd@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'DC Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: MIR
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:45:19 -0400
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> That's Damn good, did you slip the clutch thru 1st or just ride out the
> wheelie?

I just slipped it a little, but I didn't launch as hard as I could have
because
on the street the last time Tom and I raced, it felt like I really took off
faster
than when I was at the track.

I think it was a combination of being nervous at the track, and not having
the desire associated with wanted to stomp one of your friends on the
street.

> my RT improved every time.  I still haven't got the takeoff right.

My reaction time was consistent .068 and a couple of high .05's, but that
is probably because I run my car at the track almost every week and the
experience carried over.

> I found that the best run I had was actually shifting at an indicated
> 12k, but my powerpak is set to actual 12 k so I wasn't hitting it.  That
> was fun, I'll definitely give it some more.  I got sunburned too, but
> not that bad.  I didn't think we'd be standing around so much, but as
> usual, the later in the day/evening, the slower it gets.

I'm going to experiment with different shift points and see what that
will yield.  I too have some serious sunburn from standing around all day
waiting my turn to run.


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 15:14:08 1997
From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" <Dysart@XXXXXX>
To: "'DC Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Saturdays VA/WV Ride
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I thought I'd fill everyone in on our great ride we had Saturday.
Especially to Rub it on Brian who couldn't be with us. ;-).  Three of us
left Annandale around 9:45.  Unfortunately Kevin just missed us by about
5 minutes.

Kirk and I decided to take the express (AKA boring) way out there so
that we could have more time riding on US 33, US 250, and other roads.
We started with the usual I-495 to I-66, to I-81.  Not much to say for
this part of the trip except for some crazy little old lady in a cage
with DC tags just about ran us off the road on I-81.  She was oblivious
to us, cutting in between us. BTW, I-81 was more packed then I had ever
seen it.

We stopped and had lunch in one of my favorite restaurants in
Harrisonburg, the Boston Beanery right on US 33.  After a good meal, I
told the guys if they wanted to ride to Staunton and go over US 250
first I'd like to pick another route then to proceed further down I-81.

We decided to just head west on 33 to WV.  The road couldn't have been
better.  There were very few vehicles and we didn't even catch up to any
slow moving cages, trucks, etc. on the good twisties.  If none of you
have been on this road I highly recommend it.  I hadn't been on it for
years (and without the bike) and it is gorgeous and a blast.  Even the
straights are beautiful going through the GW forest getting there.  On
the other side of the mountains before we grabbed WV route 28  we saw
about 10 guys on enduro's heading for the forest.  I got to get one of
those!  Anyway, we then headed south on WV 28. We ran into a few showers
but not even enough to saturate the roads, just enough to annoy you.

>From there we headed back east on US 250 and caught some more excellent
turns.  The rain was off and on at this point as I think it was
basically following us as we headed east.  By the time we crossed the
boarder back into VA we had outrun it.

Once we intersected with VA 42 we headed north back into Harrisonburg.
Nice road but nothing compared to what we just came from.  From there we
grabbed some connector road over to US 11.  I was going to show the guys
the covered bridge right off of  US 11 but I couldn't find it before we
got to New Market and turned east onto US 211.

We crossed both mountain ranges on US 211 but both seemed fairly
straight after being on US 33 and US 250.  On this side of Sperryville
we turned left onto US 522.  We took 522 down to Flint Hill where we
turned onto VA 647.  This roads winds through the country and brings you
into Marshall.  Another fairly nice road and a great way to get to
Skyline if you don't want to go through Front Royal or Warrenton.  We
filled up one last time in Marshall and headed back home.

The total round trip from my house was 408 miles.  I got home around
8:00 so it did take the whole day.  If anyone would like to do this trip
again or something similar I'd be willing to go.  Brian, these are by
far the best roads within 200 miles that I have been on.

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 15:29:42 1997
From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
To: "Kirk Roy" <ROYK@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'DC Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: MIR Drag Sunday!
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> Seriously, while I was tempted with going out to this thing I think it
> would simply be embarrassing for the bike and myself. Hawks just ain't
drag
> racers. Take your ZX-11 to the twisties though and it may be another
story
> altogether...


Actually I have only been passed ONCE going up 211 to SkyLine while riding
my ZX11 in company of FZRs, YZFs, GSXRs, CBRs, and others in several years
of dogging it up and down the mountain.  95% of the time I lose site of
other
riders in my rear view mirror.

In fact, I demand more respect for the fact that I'm capable of trashing
a huge heavy sled like my ZX11 through the twisties at an equal, or more
often than not, faster rates than those of better handling sportbikes.
With
or without passengers.

If guarantee that if I were to switch bikes with someone on a GSXR750
or a ZX6, that person would not be able to keep up with myself while I was
riding on their bike and that person on my ZX11.

Road course, like drag racing, it's all the rider, not the bike.  Like I
said, there
were 750's turning faster times than my 1100, simply because they have some
skills in drag racing that I do not.

PS; That one time that I *WAS* been passed by, it was an FZR400, and the
rider was a friend on mine who literally defies death whenever he rides.
He's
the type of nut-cake who can pull a 24" endo @ 50mph just for fun.

Berg
'95 ZX11

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 16:03:47 1997
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:08:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garcia Oliver <garicao@XXXXXX>
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For sale:

1981 Suzuki GS 850G, 4000 miles, garaged, Vetter fairing and hard bags,
new Pirellis.  Excellent touring bike.  Blue.  $2000 (firm).


1982 Yamaha XJ-550 Seca, 8900 miles.  Sporty standard, very
smooth 4-cylinder engine, Kerker exhaust, six speeds, voltmeter,
new tires.  Good mechanical condition and appearance, guaranteed to
pass inspection. $1150.

1980 Suzuki, GS-550-L, 15,000 mi.  Cruiser, stepped seat, four
cylinders, six speeds, recent Metzeler tires, Plexi-3 fairing,
backrest, luggage rack.  Excellent condition, guaranteed to pass
inspection. $1150.

1976 Yamaha RD-400, 15,000 mi.  2-stroke six-speed playbike.
Becoming collector's item.  Excellent condition, guaranteed to
pass inspection. $1150.

1982 Suzuki GS-650-E, 50,000 mi.  Dynojet kit, stainless braided
front brake line, Avon front tire, air shocks, cruise control.
Runs well, looks ratty: seat held together by duct tape, minor oil leaks,
sprouting wires, stolen side covers, etc. $650.

Also: 3 full fairings.  One Windjammer, one La Mancha, one other.
$50 each, or all three for $100.

And (almost finally), I have four bikes that I'll part out (or,
preferably, repair if I can find parts):

Honda 750 Interceptor, 1984
Kawasaki KZ-440 LTD
Yamaha XJ-550 Seca (front end smashed)
Yamaha 700 Virago (no title)

Other parts wanted:

CDI and pickup coil for Honda 400-automatic
Ignition switch for RD-400
Seat & sidecovers for GS650E (blue)



garcia
202-234-9229
NW DC



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>Unfortunately Kevin just missed us by about 5 minutes.

Dogged. Too bad he didn't chase us since we kept a grandmotherly pace
on the highway.

>We decided to just head west on 33 to WV.  The road couldn't have been
>better.  There were very few vehicles and we didn't even catch up to
>any slow moving cages, trucks, etc. on the good twisties.

We didn't even have trouble getting around the cars/trucks before we hit
the twisties. Unheard of.

>From there we headed back east on US 250 and caught some more excellent
>turns.  The rain was off and on at this point as I think it was
>basically following us as we headed east.  By the time we crossed the
>boarder back into VA we had outrun it.

Unfortunately, we didn't outrun the rain enough to feel comfortable
blitzing the corners here... I've got to say that US 250 has about the
tightest corners I've ever seen. It's quite a blast pulling through
these things going from full left (let's put a toe down, oh, there's
the ground) to full right and an instant flick! Dang rain kept me
from doing that Saturday though...

In good weather US 33 is a great road but US 250 is simply awesome.
US 211 is nice for some fast sweepers but you'd have to run through them
several times since they're spread and out relatively short. The traffic
and distance between twisties on US 211 puts it into my good roads
category. VA 647 is a pretty good country road (not to be confused
with real twisties but worth riding).

All in all it was a great ride.

>Glenn Dysart
>84 V30 Magna

I'm no expert but it seems to me that Glenn rides the heck out of his
little Magna...

Kirk
'88 Hawk GT


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From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat)
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I really like the Ferrari style fairing inlets.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RF 600
From:    "Ckeyser" <Ckeyser@XXXXXX> at ddn
Date:    4/8/1997  8:37 AM

I own an RF 600 and they are indeed a really nice bike, it was a decision
of either buying a katana 600 which was 500.00 cheaper. I liked the bigger
fairing and tires and the racer styling and looks. I have since then found
out that I need to do some little upgrades, like tires a better seat for
longer rides and whatever else I like in the future, But all in all the
bike is very nice, plus it's rare to see them which makes it stick out in a
crowd of 3 or 4 CBR's, GSXR's or ZX's so a stock bike looks cool and you
don't have to do much customizing.

Just my .02

Ck
Choose your weapon...............
RF600R
http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm



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Sounds good to me, uh where is it?


Dave

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Bergie Frazier Jr wrote:
>
> > Seriously, while I was tempted with going out to this thing I think it
> > would simply be embarrassing for the bike and myself. Hawks just ain't
> drag
> > racers. Take your ZX-11 to the twisties though and it may be another
> story
> > altogether...
>
> Actually I have only been passed ONCE going up 211 to SkyLine while riding
> my ZX11 in company of FZRs, YZFs, GSXRs, CBRs, and others in several years
> of dogging it up and down the mountain.  95% of the time I lose site of
> other
> riders in my rear view mirror.
>
> In fact, I demand more respect for the fact that I'm capable of trashing
> a huge heavy sled like my ZX11 through the twisties at an equal, or more
> often than not, faster rates than those of better handling sportbikes.
> With
> or without passengers.

I have to vouch for Bergie on this one.....

I've ridden with him once, for a full day, and saw him (from behind) rip
up and down route 211 on his ZX-11.  For the last run of the day, he
added a passenger (albeit a small one)--and was just as fast.


>
> If guarantee that if I were to switch bikes with someone on a GSXR750
> or a ZX6, that person would not be able to keep up with myself while I was
> riding on their bike and that person on my ZX11.
>

Without a doubt.


> Road course, like drag racing, it's all the rider, not the bike.  Like I
> said, there
> were 750's turning faster times than my 1100, simply because they have some
> skills in drag racing that I do not.
>
> PS; That one time that I *WAS* been passed by, it was an FZR400, and the
> rider was a friend on mine who literally defies death whenever he rides.
> He's
> the type of nut-cake who can pull a 24" endo @ 50mph just for fun.

More of a nut than your friend Tom on the FJ1200, Bergie???


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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 18:28:40 1997
From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
To: "Thomas H. Gimer" <tgimer@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'DC Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: MIR Drag Sunday!
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> I have to vouch for Bergie on this one.....
>
> I've ridden with him once, for a full day, and saw him (from behind) rip
> up and down route 211 on his ZX-11.  For the last run of the day, he
> added a passenger (albeit a small one)--and was just as fast.
> Without a doubt.

Thanks for the backup.  I just want other people on the list to know that
I don't put myself (or others.. including passengers) in any danger.  I
know
my limits and I stay well within my boundaries just in case..

> nut-cake who can pull a 24" endo @ 50mph just for fun.
> More of a nut than your friend Tom on the FJ1200, Bergie???

Actually yeah.  Although Tom takes top honors for "Mr. 4th of July" for
throwing more flame than a sparkler on his FJ1200 in the turns, the other
guy I was referring to (Mike Meckenberg SP?) is just plain dangerous.
A real nice guy and a good rider!! but probably too much of a risk
taker for his own well being.

Berg/ZX11
PS;	We'll have to get together for another ride soon!  Drop me an email
	or call me voice on Friday afternoons to setup something for the weekends.

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 18:33:16 1997
From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
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> If guarantee that if I were to switch bikes with someone on a GSXR750
> or a ZX6, that person would not be able to keep up with myself while I
was
> riding on their bike and that person on my ZX11.

I take that back, for the record.

I don't "guarantee" that, because I know there are people out there who
can out ride the pants off me, and I'll be the first to admit that...

Just in my experience, those people rarely ever ride on the street,
and if they do, I never get the chance to hook up with them for a ride.

My intention was not to sound so much like an ass.

Berg
ZX11

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Mon Aug  4 18:42:30 1997
From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
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> Oi, I'd like to get more opportunities to ride with good riders who keep
> it in control on the street. I've really only started doing group rides
> this year.
> Kirk

Yeah our regular group has dropped off in numbers lately, down to just
four (Berg ZX11, Lester YZF1K, Tom FJ1200, Rich CBR900RR).

We have been a weekend group for a couple years now, so we know
each others style/habits really well, and we take care of each other (try
to keep ourselves in line) but not letting it get out of control on the
street.

There is alot of friendly competition in the air, but we don't do anything
dangerous or stupid (okay maybe stupid..)	:o)

I'm sure most people on the list would agree that if you have something
to prove, you should prove it on the track, be it drag strip or road
course.

We would love to have new people to ride with, so drop me an email
on Fridays to set something up for the weekend, or if you have something
planned, we would love to know about it.

Berg
ZX11

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Hey, y'all-

I found the number for the local wheel repair place.  Ye Ole Wheel Shop in
Elkridge Md.  A friend used them to repair some irreplaceable magnesium race
car wheels from the 60s and was quite pleased.  They do all types of repair
and restoration.

800-526-8260      410-796-8400      fax 410-796-8410

Later
Kevin

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FS: '89 Kawasaki Vulcan 88  

EXCELLENT CONDITION!!  LOTS AND LOTS OF ACCESSORIES!!

Maroon and Black paint scheme
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Bike is garaged in North Carolina.  Owner is in the DC area.> FS: '89
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	Just want to say that I had the pleasure of riding with these guys up to
Summit Point one weekend and they are good to go.  I should have had a
route planned from MD, so we didn't have to backtrack to VA.  But we got to
pick up another rider, so it was all good.
	Berg, I don't think I'll be able to ride with you again before I head back
to school, but I look forward to riding with you all next summer.
	
	Mitch

At 06:41 PM 8/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> Oi, I'd like to get more opportunities to ride with good riders who keep
>> it in control on the street. I've really only started doing group rides
>> this year.
>> Kirk
>
>Yeah our regular group has dropped off in numbers lately, down to just
>four (Berg ZX11, Lester YZF1K, Tom FJ1200, Rich CBR900RR).
>
>We have been a weekend group for a couple years now, so we know
>each others style/habits really well, and we take care of each other (try
>to keep ourselves in line) but not letting it get out of control on the
>street.
>
>There is alot of friendly competition in the air, but we don't do anything
>dangerous or stupid (okay maybe stupid..)	:o)
>
>I'm sure most people on the list would agree that if you have something
>to prove, you should prove it on the track, be it drag strip or road
>course.
>
>We would love to have new people to ride with, so drop me an email
>on Fridays to set something up for the weekend, or if you have something
>planned, we would love to know about it.
>
>Berg
>ZX11
>

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Subject: Re: Electrics Question (was: Cold weather riding)
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The vests rarely fail but the cords break too often. I carry a spare cord
for my Gerbing vest. The old style Widder cord was simple to repair with a
pocketknife.

I have had Widder, Eclipse, and now a Gerbing vest. The Widder lasted five
years, the Eclipse three. The Gerbing is only a year old now. I have their
"jacket/vest" without insulation. It's very thin and has long sleeves and a
collar, all heated. The heated collar and sleeves add a lot of winter
comfort. They have a web site at www.gerbing.com. 

Before you buy a vest, try it on with your favorite winter jacket. Make
sure the collar is not too tight.

A windshield will also help a lot in the Winter. Personally, I like my Gold
Wing's barn door.

The great thing about an electric vest is that you will want to take it
with you on all your SUMMER trips. I have used a vest in every month of the
year. New York rains, Appalachian morning dew, and Rocky Mountain passes
will chill you even in August. Besides, a vest is so small that it's easy
to pack. 

Bruce B. Dimon dimon@XXXXXX
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Analysis & Technology Engineering Center
from North Idaho, Land of Lakes & Lattes

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WOW! Does this set the record for the most rambling thread in the mailing
list's history?

Next week: Gun Control!     

Bruce B. Dimon dimon@XXXXXX
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>WOW! Does this set the record for the most rambling thread in the mailing 
list's history?
Next week: Gun Control!<

Awright Bruce!

It's about time!

Michael Jordan
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On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Bruce Dimon wrote:

> WOW! Does this set the record for the most rambling thread in the mailing
> list's history?
> 
> Next week: Gun Control!     

Are you implying that Gun Control is more important than Abortion?

8^)

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>>WOW! Does this set the record for the most rambling thread in the mailing 
>list's history?
>Next week: Gun Control!<
>
>Awright Bruce!
>
>It's about time!
>

  Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine?
Huh? Ok. I dont think you should carry one in your hands while you're
riding. Too hard to control that way. At least, it is for me. Damn thing
kept goin off at the most INCONVENIENT times. Hit a bump and...well...
ooops. Sorry guy. My fault.

  Just kidding. Really, I am. KIDDING!!!  LOOK! :)  see that?  a friggin :)


Squeakers-only way to get MY guns is to pry them from my cold, dead hands.

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>Are you implying that Gun Control is more important than Abortion?<

Hmmm... Armed fetuses

or would that be feti



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From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
To: "'DC Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:22:21 -0400
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>   Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine?
> Huh? Ok. I dont think you should carry one in your hands while you're
> riding. Too hard to control that way. At least, it is for me. Damn thing
> kept goin off at the most INCONVENIENT times. Hit a bump and...well...
> ooops. Sorry guy. My fault.

I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of
the
road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a
Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds.  

So in my view, you shouldn't shoot and ride at the same time.  Gun control
IMHO is defined as the ability to hit your target.

		:o)

Berg/ZX11


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OH HO!!!!!!!   JUST AS I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!


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On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote:

> I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of
> the
> road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a
> Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds.  


Shooting while riding presents a number of interesting problems.  Most
people I know shoot right handed which is a problem on a bike.  I
occasionally practice shooting with my left hand, but really suck badly.
Maybe rigging a bike with a left handed throttle?  Might deter thieves as
well if they can't figure out how to ride it.

Also, if you shoot left handed with an automatic, would you get hit with
the shells at 70mph?  A revolver would make this a non-issue, but
reloading would be a bitch.  

Any thoughts?


-jimi


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	> I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on
the side of
> > the
> > road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a
> > Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds.  
> 
> Side note:  Yeilding a Desert Eagle .50 just might help those of us
> that are wheelie challenged actually pull a wheelie if fired while
> aiming forward.  I'd also imagine that it would drop a tenth or two
> off of your drag times ;-)
> 
> - Lester
> '97 YZF1000 

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jimi@XXXXXX wrote:
 
  > Shooting while riding presents a number of interesting problems...
  > Maybe rigging a bike with a left handed throttle?  

Naw, just rig-up a Vista Cruise.  I wouldn't ride or shoot without one.

-- 

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> Side note:  Yeilding a Desert Eagle .50 just might help those of us
> that are wheelie challenged actually pull a wheelie if fired while
> aiming forward.  I'd also imagine that it would drop a tenth or two
> off of your drag times ;-)
>
> - Lester
> '97 YZF1000

I wouldn't recommend that. The Desert Eagles are known to pull to the right 
on firing, and since you'd have to have it in your left hand (the right one 
being occupied with the throttle) there's a good chance you'll hit your 
front wheel or tire (requiring you to maintain the wheelie (note mandatory 
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Squeakers wrote:
> >>WOW! Does this set the record for the most rambling thread in the mailing 
> >list's history?
> >Next week: Gun Control!<
[snip] 
>   Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine?
[more snip] 

The funny thing is that I could guess your views!  But, it has little to
do with motorcycles. 

> http://www.erols.com/squeaks

Well, I must say that I'm disappointed.  I fully expected to see a full
page picture of that "helmet" of yours, labeled with the various
attachments and how they break applicable statutes.  Oh well. 


My Weekend Ride (as if you care since it regards motorcycles):

Thank you for suggestions regarding getting to the beach.  I ended up
going almost 400 miles in and around the Maryland Eastern Shore.  My
conclusion:  Rt. 50 sucks on a motorcycle.  A lot.  The Bay Bridge sucks
even worse.  However, once you get over the bridge, you can turn onto a
number of different roads, and things get pretty nice.  I have no idea
which roads I took, and don't really care.  Because of the criss-crossing
roads over there, you can sort of just turn and head in the correct
general direction of the beach.  Every time you hit traffic, just turn on
to a different road, and keep going.  True, you don't get there very
quickly, but based on what I saw on Rt. 50, it is faster than sitting in
traffic.  Since it's so hot, it's better to be going slower on a back road
than stop and go on a higher speed limit road. 

I'm convinced that the best way to deal with the traffic is to avoid 50 as
long as possible going there (for example, taking 214 in Maryland and then
Rt 2 through Anapolis), and then bearing off on 301 once you are over the
bridge, and then turn onto a back road as soon as possible. 

It's a pleasant ride once you are over there, though it is very flat.  In
fact, it's just the opposite of Rt. 211 near Skyline drive.  The turns are
very mild at the posted speed limit.  Because I was warned, I stayed
fairly close to the speed limit, but to be honest, I hardly saw a cop
(rude or otherwise) the entire trip. 

I had the opportunity to ride behind the 5 members of the "King Cobra
Eastern Shore" motorcycle group (club? gang?) for about 10 miles near
ocean city. You could definitely tell who they were based on their
gold-embroidered black leather vests.  The group consisted of large person
on a Nighthawk, a skinny person on a GoldWing, a Harley (Softail I think),
a Katana, and an older unidentified Japanese motorcycle. Quite the group.
I saw a large number of other motorcycles riding around, but no other
groups. 

[I also got the opportunity to just miss an interesting accident on the
Bay Bridge coming back:  I saw an empty boat trailer on the bridge, and
then about 30' later a boat lying on the bridge, and a little further up a
stopped Suburban type vehicle.  And some very unhappy looking
ex-boat-owning people scratching their heads.  Bikes are better than
boats.]

At the very South end of the boardwalk in Ocean City, there is motorcycle
parking (right next to the amusement rides), a huge help considering the
lack of parking.  I accidentally bumped into the cage taking up three
motorcycle spaces on the way out though;  hope the dent doesn't cost _too_
much to fix.

All in all, a good weekend, but I could have done without about 2 hours
worth of stopped traffic.  

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Clark







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>  
> Also, if you shoot left handed with an automatic, would you get hit 
> with the shells at 70mph?  A revolver would make this a non-issue, 
> but reloading would be a bitch.  

point it backwards so the shells shoot out towards the left! :-P

Matt


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In a previous post, Bergie stated:

I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of
the road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a
Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds.  

I've found a throttle lock works wonders for this.  Frees up the right 
hand to swing that big old broadsword of mine.  Downside is, you've gotta get
close to the target.  Upsize is, aim isn't quite as important...

Horkster

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Subject: Cars in bike parking was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief trip report)
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>At the very South end of the boardwalk in Ocean City, there is
>motorcycle parking (right next to the amusement rides), a huge help
>considering the lack of parking.  I accidentally bumped into the cage
>taking up three motorcycle spaces on the way out though;  hope the
>dent doesn't cost _too_ much to fix.

Woo hoo! You're my hero! I wish I had the guts to actually carry
something like this out. The most I've done is a small scratch...

Kirk


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Alright quick, somebody with a shaft drive try this:

Can you pull a wheelie while firing a Desert Eagle .50 directly forward
while on a shaft-driven bike?  It would conclusively put this 
"shafties-can't-wheelie" issue firmly to bed, once and for all.  :-)

Can you tell we are all bored today?

Horkster

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From: 	Gilley, Lester[SMTP:LesterG@XXXXXX]
Sent: 	Tuesday, August 05, 1997 3:50 PM
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	> I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on
the side of
> > the
> > road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a
> > Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds.  
> 
> Side note:  Yeilding a Desert Eagle .50 just might help those of us
> that are wheelie challenged actually pull a wheelie if fired while
> aiming forward.  I'd also imagine that it would drop a tenth or two
> off of your drag times ;-)
> 
> - Lester
> '97 YZF1000 


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[snip] 
>>   Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine?
>[more snip] 
>
>The funny thing is that I could guess your views!  But, it has little to
>do with motorcycles. 


   As much as I HATE to disagree with anyone, in this case, Ill make an
exception. *I* was talking about how to control your gun while...RIDING. So,
that MAKES it "motorcycle" oriented, thank you. (duh!) Im always open to
nifty suggestions on how to ride and shoot at the same time. Arent you? I
mean, you ARE an American, arent you? NOT one of those pinkoe leftist
commies, right? (It IS pinkoe, isnt it?)


>
>> http://www.erols.com/squeaks
>
>Well, I must say that I'm disappointed.  I fully expected to see a full
>page picture of that "helmet" of yours, labeled with the various
>attachments and how they break applicable statutes.  Oh well. 


  Naw, I just wear it. I dont flaunt it. Im not THAT vain, after all.

>
>
>My Weekend Ride (as if you care since it regards motorcycles):

   Well, I DO care about things that regard motorcycles. Just not about
things that regard YOU and motorcycles.......


:p


Squeakers


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Jimi,

If anyone has got to reload while STILL on the bike, methinks they are in 
WWWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYY over their heads!

Horkster  (I always pull over to reload, personally)

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On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote:

> I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of
> the
> road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a
> Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds.  


Shooting while riding presents a number of interesting problems.  Most
people I know shoot right handed which is a problem on a bike.  I
occasionally practice shooting with my left hand, but really suck badly.
Maybe rigging a bike with a left handed throttle?  Might deter thieves as
well if they can't figure out how to ride it.

Also, if you shoot left handed with an automatic, would you get hit with
the shells at 70mph?  A revolver would make this a non-issue, but
reloading would be a bitch.  

Any thoughts?


-jimi



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Well I was going to a little comparing this weekend, .50 vs. 9mm..

Last weekend when I hit some homeless dude in the chest with the .50,
it made a big mess and the blood in the road almost caused me to crash,
so I wanted to knock off a couple people with the Glock or Beretta this
weekend, and see if that helps..  I'm sure I could get a few extra rounds
off with the 9mm though, just in case I miss the first time.


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Bergie-

Since shot placement is more important than caliber, and the combination of
the Desert Eagle and the wheelie really hurts your accuracy, consider a
relatively heavy framed 9mm.  My Glock 19 is handy to carry, but doesn't
handle great offhand while wheelying.

Later
Kevin




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     heh, heh.  That's pretty funny, Aki.
          Todd

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-aki



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Gilley, Lester wrote:
> > Side note:  Yeilding a Desert Eagle .50 just might help those of us
> > that are wheelie challenged actually pull a wheelie if fired while
> > aiming forward.  I'd also imagine that it would drop a tenth or two
> > off of your drag times ;-)
> >
> > - Lester	
> > '97 YZF1000

Sorry for the motorcycle-related topic in this politically-oriented list 
but I see you have a YZF1000.  How do you like it?  It got a great review 
in the latest Sport Rider among other magazines.  It was ranked #1 
overall above the GSXR-1100, CBR 900RR, and Kawasaki ZX-9R.  I've 
pondered getting an open class machine -- which would be a major step up 
in power, size, and weight from what I currently have -- but I'm worried 
that riding the twisties will be a wrestling match.  With my CB-1 it's, 
"I think, therefore I turn."  What's you opinion?  Did you compare it to 
any other bikes before you bought it?

-- 
Bryndyn Weiner          email:  rzbean@XXXXXX
"It only takes two-strokes to get me excited."
RZ350, CB-1


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At 04:15 PM 8/5/97 -0400, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote:
>Well I was going to a little comparing this weekend, .50 vs. 9mm..
>
>Last weekend when I hit some homeless dude in the chest with the .50,
>it made a big mess and the blood in the road almost caused me to crash,
>so I wanted to knock off a couple people with the Glock or Beretta this
>weekend, and see if that helps..  I'm sure I could get a few extra rounds
>off with the 9mm though, just in case I miss the first time.
>
>
  Just carry a couple of extra clips with you for the Beretta. Quick to pop
out and replace. Ive got a few of the ones that hold..lemme see.. maybe I
shouldnt say how many rounds they hold. Didnt they pass a new LAW on "clip
capacities"? Im not sure my clips are LEGAL anymore. (heaven forbid) What if
I got pulled over by a rookie cop that's riding a RICER ROCKET, while
wearing my ILLEGAL helmet, and packin a beretta with an ILLEGAL capacity
clip, all while I was legally riding on an HOV lane that HE thought was
ILLEGAL? Should I then tell him to fuck off? Or should I then tell him how
much I appreciate him and the difficulties of his harrowing job? <sigh>
decisions, decisions....

Squeakers


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>     heh, heh.  That's pretty funny, Aki.

  >        Todd


 Problem was... it took me a few minutes to figure out what he was tryin to
say....  good one, Aki!   :)

Squeakers
>         


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>OH HO!!!!!!!   JUST AS I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!
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Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 <ROYK@XXXXXX> said:
*
* >At the very South end of the boardwalk in Ocean City, there is
* >motorcycle parking (right next to the amusement rides), a huge help
* >considering the lack of parking.  I accidentally bumped into the cage
* >taking up three motorcycle spaces on the way out though;  hope the
* >dent doesn't cost _too_ much to fix.
*
* Woo hoo! You're my hero! I wish I had the guts to actually carry
* something like this out. The most I've done is a small scratch...
*
    Ackh, dude, it's much easier to do than it sounds.  Once upon a time,
one summer, my girlie and I took Rainman to Annapolis for the day.
Parking in a lot down an alley off of Main Street, the bike had plenty
of space.  Upon our return, a something-color :) SUV-look-alike had
obnoxiously blocked me in.  I couldn't believe a bike could be blocked
into such a space, but I got it out.  Had to rock it back and forth,
oh, about a dozen times, digging into the sidepanels.  The paint chips
came off my brake lever easily enough.  My girlfriend was cracking up
the whole time.

    L8r, P8r.
    pverst1@XXXXXX

=;)

"Tao k'o Tao fei ch'ang Tao (Tao called Tao is not Tao)" - Lao-tzu

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I like it.  I find it to be a good compromise.  You can do touring with
it.  I've gone 400 miles in one day.  My butt did hurt and I was a bit
tired but I don't think that is anything that a Corbin or exercise won't
fix.  It is really good at sporting around.  I don't have much of a
problem getting it through the turns at all.  I don't feel that I have
to heave it into corners or anything.  The stock tires are 204's.  I
have heard that the bike is much more nimble when Metzler MEZ1's are
installed.  As is, the cycle is much easier to flip through turns than
my last cycle; a CBR1000.

As for the other open class bikes.  My opinion (opinion's are like
what??) of the other bikes at purchase time was:
	Blackbird:	Too expensive and didn't have the handling
characteristics that I was looking for.
	GSXR:		Bad fit and finish.  Not a good riding position.
Super Ugly.
	RR & GSXR 750  To much like a "Superbike".  Good for racing
around but not for everyday riding.
	ZX-9:		I hate Ninja's.  Also, I rode one and it wasn't
at all comfortable.

I like the YZF very much and would recommend it to anyone.  If you can
believe all of the press, you might want to look at the SuperHawk.  It
is supposed to be awesome on the streets.  Also, the YZF1000/FZR line
will be retired (at least in Europe, maybe here) next year.  Yamaha is
replacing it with a V-Twin 1000.  This will be announced some time this
fall.  Collin Edwards was grilled after a test session and he said that
it flat out rocks.  Also, the new Ninja's and GSXR 900 should be out
this fall or early next year.  If they are like their siblings, they
should rock.  The ZX-12 will fly, the ZX-9RR should be evil, and the
GSXR 900 just might be marked as illegal to ride on the streets if it is
anything like the GSXR 750.

There are some other YZF owners on this list, what do you all think??

- Lester
'97 YZF1000

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Since we obviously need a new thread, this is probably a good
time to bring this one up.

Recently I've been considering a couple different options, and
I would like your suggestions, comments, whatever.  

OPTION ONE:
I was considering buying a new ZX12 for '98 (trading or selling
my '95 ZX11).  Doing this would obviously cost me a bundle, 
since I would probably be lucky to get $ 6,500.00 for my bike
and accessories (as is), and I'd need another $ 4,000 or so to
pay off a new '98 ZX12 (see.. my ZX11 is paid off so WAAAA).

So if I'm going to spend $4K, how much extra power will I get?

Well at this point we don't know.. because we don't know what
the new ZX12's will dump to the rear wheels (stock).  

Considering the following facts:  a ZX11 stock (1052cc) makes
125HP at the rear wheels (and 135 modified), and that the new
CBR1100XX makes about 126 rwhp stock (136 modified), then 
we can assume that any new Kawasaki "1200" is probably only
going to really have a displacement of about 1152cc (they love
to round up about 48cc), so it probably won't have much more
than 135 REAR WHEEL HP in stock form.  Dump another $1000 in
for pipe and jets and get MAYBE 145hp.  Big deal.

That's about $5000 to get me another 10 horses?  Hmmmmm...
Does not worth it?  Or should I spend that SAME money that I'd
be spending ANYWAY on some cool stuff like a Mr. Turbo kit or
maybe a SBM 1267cc stroker kit?  Hmm..... (again)

OPTION TWO:	MR. TURBO	
T-U-R-B-O, Do I need to say anything more?  Well, YES.  I've looked
at Mr. Turbo seriously, and it's not cheap.  There are alot of mods
required, but the performance gains speak for themselves.  Does
180 rear wheel horsepower on 93 octane pump gas sound like fun?
How about cranking up the PSI by simply adjusting the wastegate
for closer to 220 RWHP (when running CAM2 racing fuel)?  That
would be nice.  Sounds like the way to go huh?  Well the $5000
I would have spent in option one doesn't cover it.  I got a complete
quote from Mr. Turbo and Rick @ Fast Lane Cycles, and it's a little
closer to $8000 for a complete total conversion of my existing ZX11,
that's including beefing the transmission with undercut gears, lock
up clutch, oil bypass, fuel injection system, turbo kit, and boring
the stock motor to 1109cc.  DAMN!  $8000 is alot of money, but hey
my bike is paid off, that's about $220/month, right?  Hmmmmm..

OPTION THREE:	SUPER-BIKE-MIKE RACING, FT. LAURDERDALE FLORIDA
Man, EIGHT GRAND.  That's alot huh??  But *IF* I'm going to spend it, why not
consider the ultimate solution?  There's no replacement for displacement,
right?  How about a custom 1267cc stroker kit, performed by the man
who puts the POWER in world championship cycle racing?  This is
a complete package, including the trans work, big bore block, head
work, valve work, cams, stroker crank, big bore forged pistons, balance
and blueprinting, carbs, etc.  THE RESULT??  175 to 185 rear wheel HP
with over 120 ft. lbs. of torque, of which the bulk arrives at about 5000rpm,
all on engine, no turbo lag, no rough idle, no race fuel required.  Cost?
Just a little more but probably worth it.. closer to $8500 out the door with
a turn around of about 3 weeks, but built by the best people in the business.

Whelp, those quotes are based on if I drop the bike off and pay them to do
EVERYTHING.. maybe I'll have the frame and stuff polished too while they
are at it huh??? 	:o)

So there you have it, pick one please, $5000/$8000/$8500.  ALL are kind of
ridiculous I know, but hey.. you wanted something to talk about, right??
Let me know what you think. 

Berg/ZX11

PS; Can I borrow $5 for lunch money?

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Todd B Peer wrote:

  >      heh, heh.  That's pretty funny, Aki.
  >           Todd

  [excellent diagram snipped]

yeah, you can tell he was thinking that one up all week.


-=WWW=-

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dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote:
 
  > If anyone has got to reload while STILL on the bike, methinks they are
  > in WWWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYY over their heads!

Wasn't there a movie way back in the 70's in which the FBI enlists the aid of
a few bikers to crack a drug or crime ring of some kind?  I seem to remember a
scene with twin 50s mounted over the biker's head blazing away at some target.

-WWW

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Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote:
 
  > point it backwards so the shells shoot out towards the left! :-P

Have you tried that method?  How well does it work?    :)

-WWW

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From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
To: "'DC Cycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Your YZF
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> the ZX-9RR should be evil, and the GSXR 900 just might be marked
> as illegal to ride on the streets if it is anything like the GSXR 750.

I like the YZF1K too, I've ridden Lester's and it's cool.  Personally I
think
it rides like an RF900 with better handle bar position so it's a bit more
comfortable.  If you want the most powerful bike on the street that
falls into the category of best handling (like those 900RR's) then this
is the bike to get.  It's ride-able.  It's faster than almost everything
else,
and can wheelie too.  What's not to like?  Did he mention that it's
cheap too?  Can't find much of a better deal if you're looking for
bang-for-your-buck UNLESS of course you get a TL1000, but that's a
whole other story.

Being a couch-potato myself (ZX11 rider), well that's what they call
my bike.. a couch (or SLED), it's fun to get on a bike like a YZF and 
play for a while..  but I'd never buy one myself though.

But for ME personally, I have to have that plush powerful road hog
(my ZX11) for riding passengers (since my wife rides with me alot).

The corbin helps my bike, and I think it would help the YZF too.
Better get one before you can't.. you could always sell it if you don't 
like it, right?	
			:o)

Berg/ZX11

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Just wanted to say that I actually give the guns to my passenger who
worries about shooting and reloading while I do the driving.  Forget
pistols, I actually make my passengers use shotguns.  It's easier to hit
things while we are moving.  I've only had 3 fall off the bike because of
them losing their balance.  Once I high sided because of the way the
shooting started to throw the bike around.  But it was ok, because my
passenger hit her target so there was no one to come kill us while we
recovered.  Unfortunately making sure we were ok and righting the bike took
too much time and so just as we got going again, this rookie cop showed up
because passing motorists had called 911 on their cell-phones.  But I
flashed him the thumbs up and he let me and my shotgun-wielding passenger
ride on by.

	Mitch

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> I don't know, I was reading about that CBR1100XX Turbo in a couple of the
> bike mags.  I think that was only $4500 or so on top of the price of the
> bike.  That way, you get a new bike, and 225hp, 145ft*lbs or something
> like that.  After selling my FJ1200, I was really thinking about one. 
> -jimi

Well, the Mr. Turbo kit is well proven, and they company that does
the XXX doesn't market a ZX kit (yet).  Figure the price of the turbo
that they quote is normally not everything that they recommend
you do at the time of conversion.

I guess if my bike were brand new (didn't have 20,000 miles on it)
then maybe just a turbo on low boost would do for a while.  But at
my bike's stage, I need the transmission worked, a clutch I'm sure,
and since you're in there you may as well spend the extra $1000 
and bore it up to 1109cc.  That's why the $$ quoted was a little 
high..

PS; I saw the 1100XXX Turbo in Daytona at Bike Week '97 in person, 
and that 220-225 HP they claim is bogus.  I personally saw the bike
turn an actual 206 HP on the dyno at the annual brute horsepower
shootout, so maybe they were running pump gas or just lower boost
or something.

I was impressed however that at a mere 6500rpm it was making
over 130hp!  That's always nice.  Didn't get to see "actual" torque 
measurements though.



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Subject: Re: NEW vs. Turbo vs. BIG Bore
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> Go for broke. Option #1 doesn't get you much - I mean, would it really
> look and act better then your ZX-11 ? I don't think so.

Probably right, wouldn't be getting much except new paint, huh?

> Two seems like a pain in the ass...

Not to mention reliability?  hmmm..
 
> Three is the way to go. You can always sell that Beemer (cage) can't
> you?

Welp, it's alot of money.  And besides that, I don't own a beemer, just
a clunky ol' Trans-Am convertible, and I don't think I could part with
that.

Thanks for your insight though!!
Berg/ZX11

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According the the Motorcycle Safety Digest list that I am on,
that highside could have been prevented by not releasing the rear brake
prematurely.

Just figured I'd throw that in.

Dale

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Just wanted to say that I actually give the guns to my passenger who
worries about shooting and reloading while I do the driving.  Forget
pistols, I actually make my passengers use shotguns.  It's easier to hit
things while we are moving.  I've only had 3 fall off the bike because of
them losing their balance.  Once I high sided because of the way the
shooting started to throw the bike around.  But it was ok, because my
passenger hit her target so there was no one to come kill us while we
recovered.  Unfortunately making sure we were ok and righting the bike took
too much time and so just as we got going again, this rookie cop showed up
because passing motorists had called 911 on their cell-phones.  But I
flashed him the thumbs up and he let me and my shotgun-wielding passenger
ride on by.

	Mitch


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>shouldnt say how many rounds they hold. Didnt they pass a new LAW on "clip
>capacities"? Im not sure my clips are LEGAL anymore. (heaven forbid) 

FYI: the '94 Clinton Crime Bill only affected the manufacture of NEW high
capacity feeding devices (10 rounds max for handgun & rifle magazines),
it does NOT affect the legality of your previously owned high capacity
magazines, nor does it make it illegal to sell or transfer "pre-ban" high
capacity mags.  It only makes it illegal to manufacture new ones.

Actually they still make high cap. mags, but they are marked "law 
enforcement use only" and are available to dealers and law enforcement.

Berg/ZX11

PS; If you were wondering, I'm a licensed dealer (FFL) in VA for six years now.
	(part time of course)

PPS: guess that makes it okay for you to continue with your plans to 
drop off 15 or more rounds on your next drive by...		:o)

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Must Sell:

1996 Triumph Adventurer
2800 miles
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(2) Shoei X8-Air helmets FOR SALE

Size: XL and Large (comparable to standard large and medium of other
brands)
Color:  black purple mica metallic (painted to match factory '95 Kawasaki
ZX11)

I still have the original boxes, factory clear shield on one, $50 purple
iridium shield on the other.
Condition: Excellent, about 2 years old

Selling because I want to get a pair of new RX7RR Arai's in Black.

$ 250/both (o.b.o.)

Bergie Frazier, Jr., Owner

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From: "Collin T. Fagan" <cfagan@XXXXXX>
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At 05:46 PM 8/5/97 -0400, Gilley, Lester wrote:
>I like it.  I find it to be a good compromise.  You can do touring with
>it.  I've gone 400 miles in one day.  My butt did hurt and I was a bit
>tired but I don't think that is anything that a Corbin or exercise won't
>fix.  

Only 400??? Several of us pulled 500 plus a couple of weekends back (me on
the Gixer 750), although sore is not the word for how I felt the next day
:)  I'm still learning how to walk upright again.
Collin

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     Ok... 400 miles is a good day trip.  Glenn, would you care to comment 
     on this.. we seem to be pleased with the trips that end up at 400 
     miles.  Personaly, I like to sting together a few of those in a row 
     for good long trips... but anything less than that when I'm in the 
     mood for a ride seems like a let-down.  
     
     Speaking of rides... I'm looking for someone who's willing to play 
     hookie on a Monday to go for a ride.  I have funky weekends for awhile 
     and ended up with Sundays and Mondays off... I can find stuff to do on 
     Sunday... but Mondays are borring...   
     
     
     Anyway, back to ye-old work...
     
     
        Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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...expect it.

On the way home from work this evening I almost struck a deer.  By
"almost" I mean "inches."  ...as in about 6 of them...8 at the outside. 
The deer was fairly small by most standards - it looked like an
oversized greyhound and, like a greyhound, was extremely quick and
agile.   Lucky for me.  It entered my field of vision, darted across the
road, and disappeared into the bushes before I had even dodged to one
side or applied the brakes very hard.  This wasn't out in the sticks,
either.  This was on a usually busy on-ramp to I-66.

                           BE CAREFUL

--WWW

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Subject: Re: BLAMBLAMVROOOOooooommmmm....

Did I subscribe to rec.motorcycles? 
I don't remember doing that.
Never mind . . . no tennis balls, wheelies or countersteering references,
c'mon let's have a decent rewrite of this.

At 18:27 5-08-97 +0600, you wrote:
>Just wanted to say that I actually give the guns to my passenger who
>worries about shooting and reloading while I do the driving.  Forget
>pistols, I actually make my passengers use shotguns.  It's easier to hit
>things while we are moving.  I've only had 3 fall off the bike because of
>them losing their balance.  Once I high sided because of the way the
>shooting started to throw the bike around.  But it was ok, because my
>passenger hit her target so there was no one to come kill us while we
>recovered.  Unfortunately making sure we were ok and righting the bike took
>too much time and so just as we got going again, this rookie cop showed up
>because passing motorists had called 911 on their cell-phones.  But I
>flashed him the thumbs up and he let me and my shotgun-wielding passenger
>ride on by.
>
>	Mitch
>
>


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I know you may be joking but, enough already!! Let's get back to motorcycles!!

--John

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Correction, come people its bimmer for the cage and beemer for the
bikes.

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna

> 
>> Three is the way to go. You can always sell that Beemer (cage) can't
>> you?
>
>>Welp, it's alot of money.  And besides that, I don't own a beemer, just
>>a clunky ol' Trans-Am convertible, and I don't think I could part with
>>that.
>
>

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Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop
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On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote:

> >   Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine?
> > Huh? Ok. I dont think you should carry one in your hands while you're
> > riding. Too hard to control that way. At least, it is for me. Damn thing
> > kept goin off at the most INCONVENIENT times. Hit a bump and...well...
> > ooops. Sorry guy. My fault.
> 
> I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of
> the
> road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a
> Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds.  

If only we didn't have to wear those d*mn helmets!

===========================================================================
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I have to agree.  Saturdays ride ended up @ 408 round trip miles from my
driveway in Annandale.  Of course I'm not riding a GSXR or something
with not much of a seat.  But a lot of people are scared of rides of
that distance though.  Anyone up for a ride this weekend?  No plans yet
just up in the air.  I can play either day.

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna
>
>
>     >Ok... 400 miles is a good day trip.  Glenn, would you care to comment 
>     >on this.. we seem to be pleased with the trips that end up at 400 
>     >miles.  Personaly, I like to sting together a few of those in a row 
>     >for good long trips... but anything less than that when I'm in the 
>     >mood for a ride seems like a let-down.  
>

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On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 FakeTree@XXXXXX wrote:
> any other beamers out there?  just purchased a 97 r850r.
> jb haller
> faketree@XXXXXX

"beamer"?  I'll have you know that I'm of German heritage and I take
offense at that sort of...um...that's not an insulting term?...nevermind. 

Yes, I have a BMW.  It's a 1977 R75/7, with 118,000 miles on it (most of
which were not put on by me).  It's in very good shape, not counting the
speedometer, but I think that speedometers are over-rated anyway. 

Let's see, I've got lots of questions for you:  Does the R850 R have the
"Telelever" front suspension? How is that?  I've heard it described as
"weird" by people used to traditional suspensions.  Where did you get it
and how were they?  My guess: Bob's BMW.  Is this your first BMW, and if
not, where have you been going to get it worked on?  (I've been doing the
work on mine, but I'm just not experienced with carbs so I want someone to
adjust / sync them, preferably with me asking question the entire time.) 
Why the R850 vice the R1100, besides the $$$?  What was difference in
power between them? 

--
Clark


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At 07:34 AM 8/6/97 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote:
>Correction, come people its bimmer for the cage and beemer for the
>bikes.

Right.  Bimmers are nothing but factory-authorized rainsuits for Beemers.

Chris Norloff





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>----------
>From: 	Gilley, Lester[SMTP:LesterG@XXXXXX]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, August 05, 1997 5:46 PM
>To: 	DC-Cycles
>Subject: 	RE: Your YZF
>
--snip--

>  Also, the new Ninja's and GSXR 900 should be out
>this fall or early next year.  If they are like their siblings, they
>should rock.  The ZX-12 will fly, the ZX-9RR should be evil, and the
>GSXR 900 just might be marked as illegal to ride on the streets if it is
>anything like the GSXR 750.
>

I have also heard rumors that Suzuki is going to come out with a bike to
compete with the blackbird/zx-11.

It is supposed to be based on the RF ... called the RFR1100?

Later,
chris
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Christopher A. Meier  
meierch@XXXXXX
Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA
1994 RF900R  AMA #470094
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About 8am this morning, north on 395 HOV
Black w/purple motif (ZX11), you in black leather jacket w/Purple stripes.

     Anyone?

          Todd
          Black ST1100



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You guys with BMWs should check out
http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ 
There must be at least 7 different BMW lists.  A buddy of mine belongs
to one of them and gets great tech info and parts for good prices.

good luck

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna

>----------
>
>
>>Let's see, I've got lots of questions for you:  Does the R850 R have the
>>"Telelever" front suspension? How is that?  I've heard it described as
>>"weird" by people used to traditional suspensions.  Where did you get it
>>and how were they?  My guess: Bob's BMW.  Is this your first BMW, and if
>>not, where have you been going to get it worked on?  (I've been doing the
>>work on mine, but I'm just not experienced with carbs so I want someone to
>>adjust / sync them, preferably with me asking question the entire time.) 
>>Why the R850 vice the R1100, besides the $$$?  What was difference in
>>power between them? 
>

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    Having built a few car engines, go natural.
    A healthy unblown or turboed motor will last
    longer. Do that option. You could always
    add a turbo if that wasn't enough HP for
    you. Think of the money you will save
    on front tires!

    Dave

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ok..I get to be a stickler again.. ;-)

there's no such thing as a clip in a pistol...it's called a
MAGAZINE...a clip is an external, removable casing for automatic/semiautomatic
rifles...

gawd..sometimes I can be a real pain in the ass....

;-)


cheers,
-aki



> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX
> 
> At 04:15 PM 8/5/97 -0400, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote:
> >Well I was going to a little comparing this weekend, .50 vs. 9mm..
> >
> >Last weekend when I hit some homeless dude in the chest with the .50,
> >it made a big mess and the blood in the road almost caused me to crash,
> >so I wanted to knock off a couple people with the Glock or Beretta this
> >weekend, and see if that helps..  I'm sure I could get a few extra rounds
> >off with the 9mm though, just in case I miss the first time.
> >
> >
>   Just carry a couple of extra clips with you for the Beretta. Quick to pop
> out and replace. Ive got a few of the ones that hold..lemme see.. maybe I
> shouldnt say how many rounds they hold. Didnt they pass a new LAW on "clip
> capacities"? Im not sure my clips are LEGAL anymore. (heaven forbid) What if
> I got pulled over by a rookie cop that's riding a RICER ROCKET, while
> wearing my ILLEGAL helmet, and packin a beretta with an ILLEGAL capacity
> clip, all while I was legally riding on an HOV lane that HE thought was
> ILLEGAL? Should I then tell him to fuck off? Or should I then tell him how
> much I appreciate him and the difficulties of his harrowing job? <sigh>
> decisions, decisions....
> 
> Squeakers
> 
> 

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> Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet
> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
> 
> Todd B Peer wrote:
> 
>   >      heh, heh.  That's pretty funny, Aki.
>   >           Todd
> 
>   [excellent diagram snipped]
> 
> yeah, you can tell he was thinking that one up all week.
> 
> 
> -=WWW=-
>

hey waitaminnit!..it didn't take me all...

..what?...it's already AUGUST????

oh...well..then...guess yer right...

never mind...damn...

cheers,
-aki
 

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>ok..I get to be a stickler again.. ;-)
>there's no such thing as a clip in a pistol...it's called a
>MAGAZINE...a clip is an external, removable casing for 
automatic/semiautomatic
>rifles...

Glad you said that, Aki - this way I don't have to...

Referring to a magazine as a clip is right up there with ATM Machine and 
PIN Number - sets my teeth on edge!



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Hey, y'all-

Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list?  

If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends.  Who wants to
sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all
night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?!

I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho.

Later
Kevin

PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard!

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What can cause carbs to overflow?

Three of the four carbs on my '91 Zephyr 750 have sprung a leak and it seems
like the leak is getting progressively worse.  I noticed a faint smell of gas
yesterday when I fired it up, but this morning the odor was *much* stronger
and 3 of the carbs show gas leaking out of what appears to be overflow drains.

There is no "off" position on the petcock, only "on," "reserve," and "prime."

I'm afraid some gas has leaked into the crankcase, too.

-- WWW

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yeah..especially if I invite everyone over after a ride to
relax in my hottub... ;-)

gawd..wouldn't THAT be a sight...a dozen bikes parked out in
front with a trail of leather and helmets leading to my hottub
and THEN finding nothing but GUYS sitting in it staring at
each other trying to be manly talking about football!  ;-)

cheers,
-aki


> Hey, y'all-
> 
> Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list?  
> 
> If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends.  Who wants to
> sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all
> night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?!
> 
> I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho.
> 
> Later
> Kevin
> 
> PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard!
> 

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>
>Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list?  

Good question, speak up ladies.
>
>If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends.  Who wants to
>sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all
>night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?!

I think that's called a sausage fest.
>
>I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho.

I bet she drinks Budweiser. ;-).  If that's the case she can out drink
me!
>
>
>PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard!

Lets do it.  I've been dying to try out my Mossburg 500.

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna
>

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The Iron Butt Association's (IBA) home page has some tips on long rides
(which 400 miles doesn't REALLY qualify for...). It's worth checking out.

Later this year I'd like to do one of the IBA's qualification rides. Either
the 1000 miles in 24 hours or the 1500 miles in 24 hours. It'll probably be
October. Anyone else have an interest? You'll get an IBA license plate
bracket ("toughest bikers in the world" or somesuch). If doing a ride like
this doesn't sound exciting enough I'm willing to wait until January and
head north. :)

Kirk


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Dave Choat wrote:
> 
> >Who else but a drunk would be driving that late at night?
> 
> >Jerks.
> 
> - Hacker
>     Statistically, swerving is usually done by drunks. The odds
>     are very high (over 50%) that erratic driving is
>     caused by alcohol. If your operating profile falls into
>     this area, you are going to be pulled over. Frankly, I
>     have a serious problem with drunk drivers, I can put
>     up with the "jerks" who are taking them off the road,
>     even if it means I get checked out too.
> 
>     David Choat, Visionary
>     '95 Suzuki RF900R                  Email: dchoat@XXXXXX
>     '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten)
> 
>     It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them.

I used to have an old Triumph Spitfire (a little convertible, not an MC)
that had completely shagged steering gear.  I used to get pulled over
*regularly* under suspicion of driving drunk.

Al



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> Also, if you shoot left handed with an automatic, would you get hit with
> the shells at 70mph?  A revolver would make this a non-issue, but
> reloading would be a bitch.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -jimi

My thinking is: Gas operated 12 gauge with a sling, no choke, with the
shells filled with rusty nails and stuff off the bottom of the cat box.

Al
9" exit wound that never heals



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snip
The paint chips
> came off my brake lever easily enough.  My girlfriend was cracking up
> the whole time.
> 
A number of years ago, when I was young and crazy(er), I was run off the
road by a car on RTE 29, near Columbia.  I went off into the grass at
around 65, squirreled around a bit, kacked in my undies, and got back
onto the road.  I followed the car to the next light, where they were
conveniently in the left lane, boxed in by cars in the right lane, and
the turn lane.  I pulled up next to the car, and shouted that they had
run me off, which they completely denied in a very arrogant manner -
stating that if I were on a motorcycle, I should be prepared for this
kind of thing because "no one can see those damn things!"  At which
point, I felt an anuresim coming on, and I needed to relieve the
pressure in my skull.  So, I jumped up on their hood and roof and
proceded to cave them in screaming the whole time "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW
MOTHERF**KER!?!?!?"  I see the light in cross trafic turn yellow, and I
jumped down and sped off.

Al


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Uhh, I'll pass....

Horkster

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gawd..wouldn't THAT be a sight...a dozen bikes parked out in
front with a trail of leather and helmets leading to my hottub
and THEN finding nothing but GUYS sitting in it staring at
each other trying to be manly talking about football!  ;-)


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From: "Linda Tanner" <Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX>
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No, they are not the only female riders on the list.  I have been posting a 
little here and there so I don't think of myself as a total lurker.  I 
don't have much interest in getting into some of the flame wars we have 
experienced here lately.  I subscribe to this list for the motorcycle 
content - and maybe some of the funny stuff.

A party sounds like a capital idea to me, although I don't have much 
interest in shooting anything.  Besides, Todd's backyard is not actually 
conducive to that, considering that my trailer is taking up allot of 
valuable space.  Shooters perhaps. (B52s or sex-on-the-beach??)  Or Todd's 
homebrewed beer.

LindaT.
95 F3 Purple Haze (just turned 17k miles in < 18 months)
AMA
HRC
Department of Redundancy Department
etc.

-----Original Message-----
From:	KLThomas77@XXXXXX [SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX]
Sent:	Wednesday, August 06, 1997 9:51 AM
To:	dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject:	party

Hey, y'all-

Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list?

If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends.  Who wants 
to
sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all
night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?!

I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho.

Later
Kevin

PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard!


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oooh temper. I has a similar event too. I got run off
on an entrance ramp, and then when I pulled alongside the car THEY
SWERVED into me. At the next light I nearly dropped the bike
(forgot the sidestand) and wore some knuckles out on their hood.
This is called agressive driving and I could have been bolted
for it too. Felt good though. What can you do? There would
be this leather clad raging biker vs a meek car driver.
Not good. So make sure you can get away with it.
Or carry a change of undies and some TUMs.

Dave
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cars in bike parking (was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief 
From:    level_5_ltd@XXXXXX at ddn
Date:    6/8/1997  10:15 AM

snip
The paint chips
> came off my brake lever easily enough.  My girlfriend was cracking up
> the whole time.
> 
A number of years ago, when I was young and crazy(er), I was run off the
road by a car on RTE 29, near Columbia.  I went off into the grass at
around 65, squirreled around a bit, kacked in my undies, and got back
onto the road.  I followed the car to the next light, where they were
conveniently in the left lane, boxed in by cars in the right lane, and
the turn lane.  I pulled up next to the car, and shouted that they had
run me off, which they completely denied in a very arrogant manner -
stating that if I were on a motorcycle, I should be prepared for this
kind of thing because "no one can see those damn things!"  At which
point, I felt an anuresim coming on, and I needed to relieve the
pressure in my skull.  So, I jumped up on their hood and roof and
proceded to cave them in screaming the whole time "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW
MOTHERF**KER!?!?!?"  I see the light in cross trafic turn yellow, and I
jumped down and sped off.

Al


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From: Sandy Triolo <TRIOLOS@XXXXXX>
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Ok, I'm also I women on the list who can drink beer (no merican beer please) and shoot the shit with the guys (and maybe shoot a mossburg500!). Looking forward to the party, and I will see what I can do about bringing like minded women...  ; )

sandy

>>> Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN <Dysart@XXXXXX> 08/06 10:16 AM >>>
>
>Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list?  

Good question, speak up ladies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             


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At 09:54 AM 8/6/97 -0400, Warren W. Weiss wrote:
>What can cause carbs to overflow?

Dirt in the gas, which gets into your float needle valve.  Letting gas age
in the carb can do it to.

Best solution is to remove, dissassemble, and clean the carb(s).  Second
best is to remove the float bowl with the carb installed, remove the float
needle from the carb and clean it.  Third best is to remove the fuel line
and spray a bunch of carb cleaner into the fuel opening, hoping this cleans
the dirt away from the float needle.

Chris Norloff




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>What can cause carbs to overflow?
>
>Three of the four carbs on my '91 Zephyr 750 have sprung a leak and it seems
>like the leak is getting progressively worse.  I noticed a faint smell of gas
>yesterday when I fired it up, but this morning the odor was *much* stronger
>and 3 of the carbs show gas leaking out of what appears to be overflow drains.
>
>There is no "off" position on the petcock, only "on," "reserve," and "prime."
>
>.I'm afraid some gas has leaked into the crankcase, too.

sounds like the valve(s) the floats actuate aren't closing off the
fuel.  These typically have a (rubber) seat and since you say that
three =:0 of your carbs are overflowing, i would guess the seats are
gone or, the floats in each carb may be stuck in the open position.
seems real unlikely though.

     Todd

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>yeah..especially if I invite everyone over after a ride to
>relax in my hottub... ;-)
>
>gawd..wouldn't THAT be a sight...a dozen bikes parked out in
>front with a trail of leather and helmets leading to my hottub
>and THEN finding nothing but GUYS sitting in it staring at
>each other trying to be manly talking about football!  ;-)
>
>cheers,
>-aki
>

     You know Aki, its almost lunchtime.  I did NOT need that bit of
     imagery just now.


     To Kevin,

          Not enough back yard for skeet.  Would a loud neighbors dog do?
>
>> Hey, y'all-
>> 
>> Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list?  
>> 
>> If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends.  Who wants to
>> sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all
>> night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?!
>> 
>> I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho.
>> 
>> Later
>> Kevin
>> 
>> PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard!
>> 

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Several years ago while I was in Va. Beach, I saw a Harley rider
sitting at a red light,minding his own business (I was in the lane
next to him, admiring his ride), when a car with a bunch of
roudy teens pulled up behind him.  The light was still red and
they honked their horn at the bike then ROLLED THEIR CAR RIGHT
INTO THE BACK OF HIS BIKE. The bike, minus the rider who rolled
onto the hood of the car, shot forward and flipped in the middle
of the intersection. THEN THE TEENS STARTED LAUGHING AND POINTING!!

I was just about to get out of the car when, the rider calmly picked
himself up, walked over to his bike and pulled out a
foot long metal pipe out of his saddlebag and calmly walked over to the
car and commenced to total every window, fender and hood on the car
much to the amazement and terror of the occupants.  Then he just
as calmly walked over to his bike, righted it, looked it over and
drove away....

I laughed so hard I damn near peed my britches....

cheers,
-aki

> oooh temper. I has a similar event too. I got run off
> on an entrance ramp, and then when I pulled alongside the car THEY
> SWERVED into me. At the next light I nearly dropped the bike
> (forgot the sidestand) and wore some knuckles out on their hood.
> This is called agressive driving and I could have been bolted
> for it too. Felt good though. What can you do? There would
> be this leather clad raging biker vs a meek car driver.
> Not good. So make sure you can get away with it.
> Or carry a change of undies and some TUMs.
> 
> Dave
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cars in bike parking (was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief 
> From:    level_5_ltd@XXXXXX at ddn
> Date:    6/8/1997  10:15 AM
> 
> snip
> The paint chips
> > came off my brake lever easily enough.  My girlfriend was cracking up
> > the whole time.
> > 
> A number of years ago, when I was young and crazy(er), I was run off the
> road by a car on RTE 29, near Columbia.  I went off into the grass at
> around 65, squirreled around a bit, kacked in my undies, and got back
> onto the road.  I followed the car to the next light, where they were
> conveniently in the left lane, boxed in by cars in the right lane, and
> the turn lane.  I pulled up next to the car, and shouted that they had
> run me off, which they completely denied in a very arrogant manner -
> stating that if I were on a motorcycle, I should be prepared for this
> kind of thing because "no one can see those damn things!"  At which
> point, I felt an anuresim coming on, and I needed to relieve the
> pressure in my skull.  So, I jumped up on their hood and roof and
> proceded to cave them in screaming the whole time "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW
> MOTHERF**KER!?!?!?"  I see the light in cross trafic turn yellow, and I
> jumped down and sped off.
> 
> Al
> 
> 

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<<SNPT>> I pulled up next to the car, and shouted that they had
run me off, which they completely denied in a very arrogant manner -
stating that if I were on a motorcycle, I should be prepared for this
kind of thing because "no one can see those damn things!"  At which
point, I felt an anuresim coming on, and I needed to relieve the
pressure in my skull.  So, I jumped up on their hood and roof and
proceded to cave them in screaming the whole time "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW
MOTHERF**KER!?!?!?"  I see the light in cross trafic turn yellow, and I
jumped down and sped off.

Al

          Excellent.  Serves 'em right.
               Todd

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>Not enough back yard for skeet.  Would a loud neighbors dog do?

Nope - I've tried - dogs are hard to throw and don't fly properly. Also, 
it's hard to tell whether or not you've hit them squarely as they tend to 
yelp a lot during the whole process.

Michael Jordan
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>There is no "off" position on the petcock, only "on," "reserve," and 
"prime."

Your fuel switch is vacuum operated from the intake manifold - i.e. when 
the engine's running, the valve is held open and closes automatically when 
the engine is off. The "Prime" position is for when you run the thing dry 
and need to flow fuel into the float bowls (it's a manual "On" position)

In addition to checking the carbs, verify that your fuel valve is shutting 
off properly - all of the carbs leaking simultaneously is a bit of a 
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Does anyone know where or if a waterproof relay is made for use on a 
horn?  I put a relay and extra horn on my '91 EX500 and the relay 
corroded after 1 trip in the rain.  I now want to do the same thing 
for my Bandit 600 but I don't want to have the same trouble.

--John
jcarver@XXXXXX

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>What is their web address?  Thanks.

I knew I should've just looked it up in the first place... The Iron Butt
Association's home page is at www.ironbutt.com.

Kirk


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On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Jordan, Michael wrote:

> >Not enough back yard for skeet.  Would a loud neighbors dog do?
> 
> Nope - I've tried - dogs are hard to throw and don't fly properly. Also, 
> it's hard to tell whether or not you've hit them squarely as they tend to 
> yelp a lot during the whole process.


Did anyone see the Saturday Night Live commercial for the "Yard-a-pult",
would be perfect for this.  Besides, if you hit the dog squarely, it
SHOULD stop yelping.  

I have found cats fly farther anyway, their smaller size is more sporting,
and are largly reusable if you miss since they land well. 

-jimi


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all right, I'll bite.
How many people would be showing up at this party?
If it isn't really egregious,_maybe_I would host it.
Like sometime in September maybe.
I have a big yard on a dead end street, and there are
some woods here too. The house can hold some folks
as well. Howw big is this list anyway? Are you there
oh listmeister?

I hope I don't regret this...

Mike J. you cracked me up.

    Dave

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>Does anyone know where or if a waterproof relay is made for use on a 
>horn?  I put a relay and extra horn on my '91 EX500 and the relay 
>corroded after 1 trip in the rain.  I now want to do the same thing 
>for my Bandit 600 but I don't want to have the same trouble.

You could probably get a marine (boating) one, but it would likely cost a
pretty penny.  My cheap Trak Auto relays work fine.  Perhaps position it
out of the spray from the rain, with the contacts down so the relay can't
fill with water.  I've got one relay inside the headlight housing.

 If you want to take it a a step further, take silicon sealant (clear
sealant for bathtubs, etc.) and press that around the contacts.  It's a
little messy putting on, but it'll do a good job of protecting the contacts.

Chris Norloff



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Dave C Wrote:
>all right, I'll bite.
>How many people would be showing up at this party?
>If it isn't really egregious,_maybe_I would host it.
>Like sometime in September maybe.
>I have a big yard on a dead end street, and there are
>some woods here too. The house can hold some folks
>as well. Howw big is this list anyway? Are you there
>oh listmeister?
>
>I hope I don't regret this...
>
>Mike J. you cracked me up.
>
>    Dave


     Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit
fag bath imagery didn't put me off.  I was lucky to have a beautiful
woman sitting across from me.

     Now as for Daves offer, great!  But I was serious for October
18th.  Its just one of the weekends I'm not busy with the moto, or
whatever.  I know that's a little far off, but I'll still plan for
it.

     And since you offered Dave, I'm up for September 14 and/or 27th
           since 9/6-7 is WERA at Summit Point,
           and 9/19-20 is the TN-STAR.

     Egregious in my WORD97 thesaurus - gross, excessive, flagrant, extreme.
Yeah, I'm with you there.  In addition to friends I would invite anyway,
I've counted 15 others on this list, w/just three females.  Have to
bring more of them in, even if they don't ride.  You ladies can talk
the sport up a little, maybe up the female ranks with new riders.

          Todd

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Another XX chiming in.  Parties are good.  Dark beer at parties is better.
*Good* dark beer at parties is excellent.  So are shooters - of the
alcoholic type, that is.

Post it, and they will come.

Amy

>Ok, I'm also I women on the list who can drink beer (no merican beer
>please) and shoot the shit with the guys (and maybe shoot a mossburg500!).
>Looking forward to the party, and I will see what I can do about bringing
>like minded women...  ; )
>
>sandy
>
>>>> Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN <Dysart@XXXXXX> 08/06 10:16 AM >>>
>>
>>Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list?
>
>Good question, speak up ladies.
>
>
>


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OK, so are we all going to chip in the money for a "good" keg?

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna


>
>>Another XX chiming in.  Parties are good.  Dark beer at parties is better.
>>*Good* dark beer at parties is excellent.  So are shooters - of the
>>alcoholic type, that is.
>

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heh heh....no doubt if I did have a manly "tub off", I'd drain
that honker and scrub like nobodys business immediately! ;-)

seriously, me and my wife would be honored to attend...she also
rides (a Shadow 500)...just let me know the tentative dates/location
and we'll check our calandars...

..and a ditto on the GOOD dark beer...ales are better...please no
Buds, Bud Lights..yada yada yada....

..and no sushi....yeech

cheers,
-aki

> 
> Dave C Wrote:
> >all right, I'll bite.
> >How many people would be showing up at this party?
> >If it isn't really egregious,_maybe_I would host it.
> >Like sometime in September maybe.
> >I have a big yard on a dead end street, and there are
> >some woods here too. The house can hold some folks
> >as well. Howw big is this list anyway? Are you there
> >oh listmeister?
> >
> >I hope I don't regret this...
> >
> >Mike J. you cracked me up.
> >
> >    Dave
> 
> 
>      Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit
> fag bath imagery didn't put me off.  I was lucky to have a beautiful
> woman sitting across from me.
> 
>      Now as for Daves offer, great!  But I was serious for October
> 18th.  Its just one of the weekends I'm not busy with the moto, or
> whatever.  I know that's a little far off, but I'll still plan for
> it.
> 
>      And since you offered Dave, I'm up for September 14 and/or 27th
>            since 9/6-7 is WERA at Summit Point,
>            and 9/19-20 is the TN-STAR.
> 
>      Egregious in my WORD97 thesaurus - gross, excessive, flagrant, extreme.
> Yeah, I'm with you there.  In addition to friends I would invite anyway,
> I've counted 15 others on this list, w/just three females.  Have to
> bring more of them in, even if they don't ride.  You ladies can talk
> the sport up a little, maybe up the female ranks with new riders.
> 
>           Todd
> 

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     Alright... We need to take a head count on this party thing (to find a 
     reasonable place to host it).  I have time at work to wade through it 
     all, and can keep decent track of stuff... so if you're interested in 
     joining us, let me know (as well as if you think you'll be bringing 
     some friends).  This is NOT intended to be a head count (duck.. duck.. 
     duck.. goose?!?), ok, well.. yes it is.  But just an estimate... I've 
     a file all set up, so fire away..
     
     bmccoy@XXXXXX
     
     Brian McCoy  86 VF500f and to many guns to count.. all in Wyoming or   
                                       Montana though.



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Brian, please count me in for the party thing.

Aki, 
Who suggested dark beer?  yecch!  If I wanted something bitter, 
I'd bring the mother-in-law.  There's a reason
those 'light' beers are so popular - in a word, taste.

Although if I have any beer at all, I'm sitting for the night.
I've found that my ability to ride the scoot is SERIOUSLY
compromised by even 1-2 beers.  My tolerance must
be wearing off, or something.

At least we agree on the (lack of) sushi.

Horkster

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..and a ditto on the GOOD dark beer...ales are better...please no
Buds, Bud Lights..yada yada yada....

..and no sushi....yeech

cheers,
-aki


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>Now as for Daves offer, great!  

>And since you offered Dave, I'm up for September 14 and/or 27th
           since 9/6-7 is WERA at Summit Point,
           and 9/19-20 is the TN-STAR.

    Yeah, God willin and we able I will be at Summit then anyway.

    OK so aboout 15 people on the list, and various hangers ons
    and cycle friends. Call it 25 riders or so. It would
    need to be a Saturday so I can recover the next day.

        Would this be a bring your own dish/drink thing?

        Barbecue or what? Outdoors for certain.

        Is there enough zymurgological interests to
        donate bucks towards a keg of real beer? A few
        (3-4) dollars each can but something nice.

        Perhaps we could donate some money to some
        dang charity? It seems like every time I
        see bikers gathered, they are donating money
        to someone-I suggest the PBF or Children's Hospital.

        Should there be some kinda weird contest? Most
        bugs, oldest riding wear, whatever?  

        Let me think this over, while you all do as well.

        Dave

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From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
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FYI, I checked the prices yesterday @ total beverage.  "Dominion Ale"
is over $100 for a 15 gallon keg =:0 

So, hell yes, chipping in it shall be.  I make beer and could be persuaded
to pitch in a couple of (5-gallon) kegs for a little gratis.
     Todd

>OK, so are we all going to chip in the money for a "good" keg?
>
>Glenn Dysart
>DysarGB@XXXXXX
>
>84 V30 Magna
>
>
>>
>>>Another XX chiming in.  Parties are good.  Dark beer at parties is better.
>>>*Good* dark beer at parties is excellent.  So are shooters - of the
>>>alcoholic type, that is.
>>

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>I was just about to get out of the car when, the rider calmly picked
>himself up, walked over to his bike and pulled out a
>foot long metal pipe out of his saddlebag and calmly walked over to the
>car and commenced to total every window, fender and hood on the car
>much to the amazement and terror of the occupants.  Then he just
>as calmly walked over to his bike, righted it, looked it over and
>drove away....

These are great stories ... but I feel obliged to be a wet blanket.  Just
factor in one more factor -- a gun.  Rowdy teenagers harass a biker, biker
retaliates, teenager pulls gun ...

On the LDRider list, a police officer (off duty, on his personal bike) was
harassed by young toughs.  They diced for several miles through traffic.
The officer caught the toughs when they stopped on an exit ramp.  He wiped
the smile off their faces with his 9mm, and arrested the driver.  The
driver, of a different skin color than the officer, claimed abuse,
harassment, etc, etc.  A year later the officer was in court with his
career and assets on the line.  Vindicated, but still he had to pay
attorney's fees, etc.

In these days of escalating violence and gunplay on the streets, with cell
phones in so many cars, with video cameras on so many street corners, it
just seems that violent retaliation is fraught with peril itself.

Now, what if YOU had the video camera, running a 10-minute loop and looking
forward.  You get photographic evidence of a driver deliberately
endangering you on the road.  Boy would that be fun to play on the evening
news!  "Aggressive car driver attacks innocent cyclist ... more news later,
film at 11!"

Chris Norloff







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With all the beer talk, someone should probably discuss transportation
arrangements for those that have been drinking... 

just my $.02

-matthew

I think I heard "Todd B Peer" say:
>
>FYI, I checked the prices yesterday @ total beverage.  "Dominion Ale"
>is over $100 for a 15 gallon keg =:0 
>
>So, hell yes, chipping in it shall be.  I make beer and could be persuaded
>to pitch in a couple of (5-gallon) kegs for a little gratis.
>     Todd
>
>>OK, so are we all going to chip in the money for a "good" keg?
>>
>>Glenn Dysart
>>DysarGB@XXXXXX
>>
>>84 V30 Magna
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>Another XX chiming in.  Parties are good.  Dark beer at parties is better.
>>>>*Good* dark beer at parties is excellent.  So are shooters - of the
>>>>alcoholic type, that is.
>>>


-----
-matthew



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At 06:49 AM 8/6/97 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote:
>>ok..I get to be a stickler again.. ;-)
>>there's no such thing as a clip in a pistol...it's called a
>>MAGAZINE...a clip is an external, removable casing for 
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>
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>
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>

  Shit. Ok. CLIP! CLIP! It's a damn CLIP!! I dont CARE what you wanna call
it. It CLIPS in, so its a CLIP!

Squeakers-mumbling "clip THIS, babe"


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W-

Your needle valve is stuck, or your floats are bad.   Are you up to
disassembling the carbs?   Not too tough, really, if you know which end of a
screwdriver to use.  My ex-girlfriend has done a few carbs.  Not that I'd
suggest most women don't know which end of the screwdriver is which!

Take them apart, clean the needle and seat, make sure the floats will float
(if bad, they sink), put them back together.  See if this fixes it.  If not,
you'll probably have to buy needles and seats.  Such a small part, such a big
pricetag.  Probably $50 for all 4.

I can get more specific if you want.

Kevin

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From: "Aki.Damme" <aki.damme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Stress Out
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> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX
> 
> >I was just about to get out of the car when, the rider calmly picked
> >himself up, walked over to his bike and pulled out a
> >foot long metal pipe out of his saddlebag and calmly walked over to the
> >car and commenced to total every window, fender and hood on the car
> >much to the amazement and terror of the occupants.  Then he just
> >as calmly walked over to his bike, righted it, looked it over and
> >drove away....
> 
> These are great stories ... but I feel obliged to be a wet blanket.  Just
> factor in one more factor -- a gun.  Rowdy teenagers harass a biker, biker
> retaliates, teenager pulls gun ...


...actually when I saw the biker reach into his saddlebag, I thought
HE was going to pull the gun...besides, this "gentleman" (and I use
the term loosely), looked like the type that would of BEGGED for
those snot nosed brats to pull a gun..guy look pretty rough...think
he even work colors....definately didn't look like the type you'd
want to piss off...6'4" 250lbs...you get the idea...


> 
> On the LDRider list, a police officer (off duty, on his personal bike) was
> harassed by young toughs.  They diced for several miles through traffic.
> The officer caught the toughs when they stopped on an exit ramp.  He wiped
> the smile off their faces with his 9mm, and arrested the driver.  The
> driver, of a different skin color than the officer, claimed abuse,
> harassment, etc, etc.  A year later the officer was in court with his
> career and assets on the line.  Vindicated, but still he had to pay
> attorney's fees, etc.


...not suprised in this Politically Correct world....8-P

> 
> In these days of escalating violence and gunplay on the streets, with cell
> phones in so many cars, with video cameras on so many street corners, it
> just seems that violent retaliation is fraught with peril itself.

...very true...

> 
> Now, what if YOU had the video camera, running a 10-minute loop and looking
> forward.  You get photographic evidence of a driver deliberately
> endangering you on the road.  Boy would that be fun to play on the evening
> news!  "Aggressive car driver attacks innocent cyclist ... more news later,
> film at 11!.

...or "Innocent Upstanding Biker Viciously Attacked by Long Haired,
Drug Crazed Cager!!!!!...details at 11"


-aki

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>This is NOT intended to be a head count (duck.. duck..
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To: "Warren W. Weiss" <wweiss@XXXXXX>
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On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Warren W. Weiss wrote:

> What can cause carbs to overflow?

Too much gas. (Sorry--I'll get serious now.)

Ok, (1) Don't use the "prime" position (as I suspect you are) except to 
fill empty carbs.

(2) Re gas in crankcase, is "oil" level too high?  Does it pass the sniff
test for gasoline?  (There are more reliable tests, e.g., flash point and
paper/cloth wicking rate.) If gas is in crank, change oil. 

(3) If three carbs are leaking, there is a systemic problem, most likely 
rust in carbs/tank.  Drain each carb (drain screw on bottom or side of 
float bowl) onto a clean white cotton rag.  Gas will soak in, water ball 
up, and rust be obvious.  Refill carbs ("Prime"), see if they still 
leak.  Take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning.

--garcia

"Do you like Kipling?"
"I don't know---I've never kippled."



> 
> Three of the four carbs on my '91 Zephyr 750 have sprung a leak and it seems
> like the leak is getting progressively worse.  I noticed a faint smell of gas
> yesterday when I fired it up, but this morning the odor was *much* stronger
> and 3 of the carbs show gas leaking out of what appears to be overflow drains.
> 
> There is no "off" position on the petcock, only "on," "reserve," and "prime."
> 
> I'm afraid some gas has leaked into the crankcase, too.
> 
> -- WWW
> 

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KLThomas77@XXXXXX wrote:
 
  > ...Are you up to disassembling the carbs?   

My problem is a lack of time.  I've disassembled carbs before, but never
replaced components other than jets.

I disassemble the carbs on my GS700 one time to soak them in carb cleaner. 
What a major hemhorroid!  They came out pretty easily, but I had to unbolt the
front engine mounts and swivel the engine about an inch to get them back in. 
And the airbox??  Forget it!  I swear they welded the frame around it.

-- WWW

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I'd be interested in the party  but before we buy the beer and pick a place, 
how about firming up a date...then I can tell ya fer' sure.

BTW: Don't count me for beer, I  won't have more than one... if that.

Bill (Moses) McLoone          '82 Suzuki  GS-450TXz  (SOLD)
<wjm1@XXXXXX>           '81 Yamaha  XS-11H  (SOLD)
Silver Spring, MD  USA        '82 Kawasaki  KZ-750E  (Blizzard)
1-800-AMA-JOIN
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd B Peer <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
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Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: party




     Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit
fag bath imagery didn't put me off.
--------------------------------

I think all you guys who are getting so unnerved by the idea of a hot tub
with men in it so unnerving are a little insecure about something. Not so
sure of yourselves, perhaps?



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     At this time, we have, more or less, 20 people that would like to 
     attend.. most depending on dates, and other comitments.  Including 
     myself, there were 3 people who vocalized interest in a donation for 
     beer.  Most were of the opinion that 'If I ride to the party, I not 
     going to drink.'  I love the attitude, but that's what couches, floors 
     and tents are for (maybe it's cause I'm so fresh out of college.. who 
     knows).  We need to settle on a date though.  Obviously not a race 
     weekend, or TN-Star (those seem to have been main objections).  
     
     This seriously looks like something I've come to dub as a 'Montana 
     Party' (where I'm from).  Lots of guys, and a few fems... mostly 
     dating/married to one of the guys.  Drinks, burned pizza and 
     motorcycle flicks on the toob (speaking of, I have Performance Bike's 
     Video Nasty.. lots of high speed antics, wheelies, burn-outs, 
     stoppies.. etc).  Fun in it's own right... 
     
     Anyway... I guess I ought to do some work.. I've been e-mailing all 
     day (as usual.. I love these mostly over-looked cubes.. )
     
     
     Ride safe.....
     
                Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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Subject: Party

Kids? Developing fetuses?

Anywhere from 2-4 depending on the variables above. (If you don't wamt kids
just say so above.  I don't have a problem with bringing mine or not, but
please be explicit about your opinion.)

BTW - Total lurker here, been in VA since December, just bought a '95
Kawasaki Concours 3 weeks ago.

I'm a computer geek for the Air Force.



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John:  I thought the "fag" reference was a bit of overkill, and
unnecessarily pejorative too.

John Whiteside wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd B Peer <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: party
> 
>      Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit
> fag bath imagery didn't put me off.
> --------------------------------
> 
> I think all you guys who are getting so unnerved by the idea of a hot tub
> with men in it so unnerving are a little insecure about something. Not so
> sure of yourselves, perhaps?

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Count me in for the party (Can I bring my MAK-90 to the cat shoot???! Or
for that matter, any of the 7 other firearms lurking in our home?)
Assuming I can pawn the munchkin off for the evening my wife will attend (I
rarely drink, but she can drink more te-kill-ya than most).
I also know of at least one young single female friend (she's even cute)
who'd probably be interested in coming (all I have to do is mention men,
beer, and bikes...not necessarily in that order) and maybe one or two
others, just depends.
For David & Michelle, wlecome to the list (I'm a Coastie, but spent a good
amount of time working on an AF Base)
See Ya'll
CT
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>If doing a ride like
>this doesn't sound exciting enough I'm willing to wait until January and
>head north. :)

I'll be attending the Crotona Midnight Run in Yonkers, NY in February.  Ride
up on Friday night or Saturday, ride all night Saturday night, come home on
Sunday.

It's a short ride, 300 to New York, 2 60 mile rally sections and 300 back.

Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073  
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Anyone interested in going to MIR this Friday night
on the bikes?

Berg/ZX11

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I'll be happy to attend, in all my femaleness, and I'll even bring some
chicky-type, wantin'-to-get-in-the-bitch-seat friends... but you *must* hold
the party before I flee to AZ - the 16th of this month. Who wants to wait
until next month, anyway? 

Sharon

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	From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Wed Aug  6 16:17:15 1997
	From: Chris Norloff <cnorloff@XXXXXX>
	Subject: Re: Stress Out

	These are great stories ... but I feel obliged to be a wet
	blanket.  Just factor in one more factor -- a gun.  Rowdy
	teenagers harass a biker, biker retaliates, teenager pulls gun
	...

Biker shoves metal rod into teenager's vocal cords...

	On the LDRider list, a police officer (off duty, on his
	personal bike) was harassed by young toughs.  They diced for
	several miles through traffic.  The officer caught the toughs
	when they stopped on an exit ramp.  He wiped the smile off
	their faces with his 9mm, and arrested the driver.  The driver,
	of a different skin color than the officer, claimed abuse,
	harassment, etc, etc.  A year later the officer was in court
	with his career and assets on the line.  Vindicated, but still
	he had to pay attorney's fees, etc.

This makes me truly ill.

- Hacker

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	From: "McLoone, William J." <wjm1@XXXXXX>
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	Subject: Party

	I'd be interested in the party  but before we buy the beer and
	pick a place, how about firming up a date...then I can tell ya
	fer' sure.

	BTW: Don't count me for beer, I  won't have more than one... if

Ditto.  One beer.  One hour+.

- Hacker

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Hi, 
Though my comments are few and far between, if the time is right, I can
always enjoy a party .  Can bring some beer, food, etc. as long as I am
not on call at the hospital.
regards,

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	From: "John Whiteside" <whiteside@XXXXXX>
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	Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:11:10 -0400

	     Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis
	     explicit fag bath imagery didn't put me off.
	--------------------------------

	I think all you guys who are getting so unnerved by the idea of
	a hot tub with men in it so unnerving are a little insecure
	about something. Not so sure of yourselves, perhaps?

Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers
(presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub
full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd
take the supermodels in a heartbeat!

... well assuming their bikes are cool...

- Hacker

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Subject: Re: Party

David,
Do you work at the Pentagon?  I rode in behind a guy on a Concours today.  I
ride a Ninja 250
Nick Ranone

Oh yeah, I would like to come to the party.  

At 07:46 PM 8/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Kids? Developing fetuses?
>
>Anywhere from 2-4 depending on the variables above. (If you don't wamt kids
>just say so above.  I don't have a problem with bringing mine or not, but
>please be explicit about your opinion.)
>
>BTW - Total lurker here, been in VA since December, just bought a '95
>Kawasaki Concours 3 weeks ago.
>
>I'm a computer geek for the Air Force.
>
>
>
>


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I think I heard Dark Hacker say:
>Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers
>(presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub
>full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd
>take the supermodels in a heartbeat!

Given that choice, I'd choose option 3: get in my own hottub.. alone. :)

I'm probably in the minority here tho....

-----
-matthew



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     Not at all Matthew... not at all... (I've done the hot tub full of 
     sportbikers (all male), I've done the hot tub full of fems (not 
     supermodles, but cute), and I've even done the hot-tup full of beer 
     with co-ed naked people... don't ask about that one though...
     
     Brian


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I think I heard Dark Hacker say:
>Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers 
>(presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub 
>full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd 
>take the supermodels in a heartbeat!
     
Given that choice, I'd choose option 3: get in my own hottub.. alone. :)
     
I'm probably in the minority here tho....
     
-----
-matthew
     
     
     



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>>FYI, I checked the prices yesterday @ total beverage.  "Dominion Ale"
>>is over $100 for a 15 gallon keg =:0 
>
>>So, hell yes, chipping in it shall be.  I make beer and could be persuaded
>to pitch in a couple of (5-gallon) kegs for a little gratis

Of course Total is expensive.  You can get any Dominion Keg at their
brewery in Ashburn for $88.  If you want it even cheaper I know a place
downtown this is dirt cheap.  The only problem with this place is you
might want to bring your gun.  Apparently the shopping center its in
gets robbed so often they only allow head-in parking.  I'd be willing to
help pick it up.

>Who suggested dark beer?  yecch!  If I wanted something bitter, 
>I'd bring the mother-in-law.  There's a reason
>those 'light' beers are so popular - in a word, taste

Dark beer doesn't always mean bitter.  Taste for lighter beers=water
(AKA no taste).

Onto bikes, does anyone on the list ride down to Old Town Alexandria on
Wednesday nights?  I was there last night and there were about 25-30
bikes

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna

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On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 FakeTree@XXXXXX wrote:
> any other beamers out there?  just purchased a 97 r850r.
> jb haller
> faketree@XXXXXX

Glad to see a new Beemer rider. I would like to direct your attention to 
http://www.bmwbmw.org, which is the homepage for the BMW Bikers of 
Metropolitan Washington, the largest regional BMW motorcycle club 
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>>Kids? Developing fetuses?
>
>>Anywhere from 2-4 depending on the variables above. (If you don't wamt kids
>>just say so above.  I don't have a problem with bringing mine or not, but
>>please be explicit about your opinion.)


I'd like to keep this an adult party if at all possible.  That way no
one has to watch their mouth, be quiet, etc.  Leave the kids with a
sitter and lets have fun!

>David,
>Do you work at the Pentagon?  I rode in behind a guy on a Concours today.  I
>ride a Ninja 250
>Nick Ranone

Nick, Don't know about David but I work at the Puzzle Palace, do you?

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

>
>

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>>David,
>Do you work at the Pentagon?  I rode in behind a guy on a Concours today.  I
>ride a Ninja 250
>Nick Ranone
    This David works at the Army Research Laboratory in Adelphi, Md.
    I also live in Adelphi, across the street from the National Archives II.

    I would be glad to have a party, starting in the afternoon, for
    listers and their guests. I do not have a hot tub, or a skeet range.
    I do have a big side yard (shaded) and a house with a deck and some roomy
    areas. It sounds like a keg may not get consumed, so perhaps
    we can all bring whatevers. I have a BIG kitchen, so food can be
    heated or killed or whatever there. If everyone wants to come by
    on the 13th fine, I will need to confirm all this with you.
    
    There are some caveats:

            Nobody leaves the party unfit to operate a motor vehicle,
            unless they have a ride. This is an absolute necessity,
            BTW I have administered roadside sobriety tests before.:)

            I get some help cleaning up.

            I would like an afternoon party so as to be outside,
            and also give people time to sober up, albeit the
            reason for this is to meet some names etc and not
            become blind stinking drunk.

            I have no problem with kids being here, or babies
            as long as they are supervised. We do not possess
            any, so the house isn't kid proofed.

            Hopefully I get a fairly accurate headcount so
            I can get plates and cups and other blather.

            I would like to wrap up before it gets really late.

            Dave

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     Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit
fag bath imagery didn't put me off.
--------------------------------

I think all you guys who are getting so unnerved by the idea of a hot tub
with men in it so unnerving are a little insecure about something. Not so
sure of yourselves, perhaps?

----------------------------

     tongue in cheek John.  and if your NOT joking, i'd appreciate
     you keep your worried psycho-analysis to yourself.  

          Todd


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Count me in....I came in kinda late on this thread so I am not sure of all the
specifics...where, when kinda stuff.

Skip
'87 Suzuki GS450


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> 	On the LDRider list, a police officer (off duty, on his
> 	personal bike) was harassed by young toughs.  They diced for
> 	several miles through traffic.  The officer caught the toughs
> 	when they stopped on an exit ramp.  He wiped the smile off
> 	their faces with his 9mm, and arrested the driver.  The driver,
> 	of a different skin color than the officer, claimed abuse,
> 	harassment, etc, etc.  A year later the officer was in court
> 	with his career and assets on the line.  Vindicated, but still
> 	he had to pay attorney's fees, etc.

Chris,
As I recall, that isn't exactly the way it worked.  it was his mental 
anguish  and reputation, yes, but he was on official leave from the police 
department and defended by the State--the Assistant D.A. defended him.  In 
addition, the State of NY was the one that would have paid any 
judgement.

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Dark Hacker <hacker@XXXXXX> said:
*
* Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers
* (presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub
* full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd
* take the supermodels in a heartbeat!
*
* ... well assuming their bikes are cool...
*
    C'mon, that's the easy way out.  *Any* pointer'd choose the models.
Have some balls and jump in the tub with the sasquatches.  Jeez, you're
just like everyone else.  :)

    L8r, P8r.    '80 CB650C
    pverst1@XXXXXX

=;)

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Nick & Wendy Ranone <ranone@XXXXXX>, you said:
*
* I ride a Ninja 250
* Nick Ranone
*
    Sorry if I've asked this before, but I can't keep track of all the
folx I interrogate.  How do you like your EX250?  I test-rode one at
Heyser a month ago, while I was getting new Metz's (33/99) on Rainman,
my 80 CB650C.  Loved it.  For little sprints between Columbia and
Gaithersburg, and to rode around (no *to*!) Deep Creek Lake, I think
it'd be a blast.  How long have you had yours, and what kinds of probelms,
etc, have you faced?  aTdHvAaNnKcSe

    L8r, P8r.    '80 CB650C
    pverst1@XXXXXX

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Anyone been there?  It's been awhile since I've picked up a Washington
City Paper.  Just thumbing through I see this add for Polly's on U
St. NW.  It appears to be motorcyclist friendly.  

     Todd

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>* Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers
>* (presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub
>* full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd
>* take the supermodels in a heartbeat!
>*
>

   Well, if the rest of you arent gonna be usin the grizzled old bikers, can
I have em for a while?(specially the ones with all the tattoos) Ill take
good care of my pets, and when Im all done with them, I PROMISE Ill give em
back. Ill give them fresh clean water in their bowls, lots of Kibble and
I'll make sure to keep them tightly chained up in the back yard (to keep the
neighborhood bitches safe). Ill even pooper scoop after em. You know, to
keep the stench down on hot days. Please? I AM a responsible pet owner!

  wait... am I thinkin men, or dogs.. hmmm.. Lets see.... Keep em both
watered, fed, clean up after em, keep em from tryin to do nasties on wimmins
legs... YUP! SAME thing!!! No confusion here!


Squeakers-glad her ol'man aint a subscriber to this list  :)

 I was JOKIN hun! I SWEAR I was!!! *I* didnt even WRITE this! Someone ELSE
did and forged my name! 


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From: John Giglio on 08/07/97 01:57 PM

Hi.  Saw a mention of you on the web.  I live in DC.  Ride a Hawk 650.
What kind of bikes and riders do you normally attract for a group ride?



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Do you pet sit??

Oh yeah count me in for 3 at the party.

Jay Goddard
94 Kawasaki ZX9R (faster than any damded Hardly Ableson)
92 VFR broken
96 Boxer puppy (jagermister)

Squeakers wrote:

> >* Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old
> bikers
> >* (presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a
> hottub
> >* full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a
> beachball, I'd
> >* take the supermodels in a heartbeat!
> >*
> >
>
>    Well, if the rest of you arent gonna be usin the grizzled old
> bikers, can
> I have em for a while?(specially the ones with all the tattoos) Ill
> take
> good care of my pets, and when Im all done with them, I PROMISE Ill
> give em
> back. Ill give them fresh clean water in their bowls, lots of Kibble
> and
> I'll make sure to keep them tightly chained up in the back yard (to
> keep the
> neighborhood bitches safe). Ill even pooper scoop after em. You know,
> to
> keep the stench down on hot days. Please? I AM a responsible pet
> owner!
>
>   wait... am I thinkin men, or dogs.. hmmm.. Lets see.... Keep em both
>
> watered, fed, clean up after em, keep em from tryin to do nasties on
> wimmins
> legs... YUP! SAME thing!!! No confusion here!
>
> Squeakers-glad her ol'man aint a subscriber to this list  :)
>
>  I was JOKIN hun! I SWEAR I was!!! *I* didnt even WRITE this! Someone
> ELSE
> did and forged my name!




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Kirk Roy wrote:
 
  > Later this year I'd like to do one of the IBA's qualification rides.
  > ...Anyone else have an interest? 

Yes.  As a matter of fact, a riding buddy of mine and I were planning on doing
the 1000 this year.  Originally, we planned on May, but he changed jobs and
plans fell through.  We're looking at this September or so.

We have a southerly route mapped out - I-81 to I-77 to I-40 to I-95 I believe
is the general route. 

-- 

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>We have a southerly route mapped out - I-81 to I-77 to I-40 to I-95 I 
believe
>is the general route.

I did the same basic ride in the other direction last June ('96) in the 
other direction (clockwise - wanted to keep the rising and setting suns at 
my back instead of my face). Took about 19 hours (out at 5AM, back at 
midnight) with a bit over an hour spent on I-40 at the western end of NC 
(road stopped down to 1 lane for maintenance with a 19 mile backup).

Since I was extermely well prepared (left every map and trip sheet in my 
office) I didn't notice a nice side route from Asheville NC to Newport TN 
that would have avoided the pileup nicely (and got me home by 11PM).

Overall - nice ride - somewhat boring (LOTS of helmet singing) and drove 
home the point that Mike Corbin makes a very fine product - couldn't have 
done it on the stock seat.

Overall, it's a good route, my start and stop points were Sterling, VA for 
a certified total of 1,039 miles with corners at Petersburg VA, Raleigh NC, 
Newport TN and Winchester VA.

On a non record attempt, I'm planning to ride up to Gorham ME on the 26th 
of this month to watch the '97 IB riders hit the closest checkpoint to 
here.

Michael Jordan
'86 SRX-6
'93 GSX 1100GP
AMA
IBA
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>David,
>Do you work at the Pentagon?  I rode in behind a guy on a Concours today.  I
>ride a Ninja 250
>Nick Ranone
>
>Oh yeah, I would like to come to the party.
>
>At 07:46 PM 8/6/97 -0700, you wrote:

Yes I do.  The bike is burgundy, without bags at the moment... small
problem with a wet wooden bridge and a 5mph low side.



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From: Jeffrey Teitel <jteitel@XXXXXX>
To: Todd B Peer <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Re: Polly's
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On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Todd B Peer wrote:

> Subject: Polly's
> 
> Anyone been there?  It's been awhile since I've picked up a Washington
> City Paper.  Just thumbing through I see this add for Polly's on U
> St. NW.  It appears to be motorcyclist friendly.  

I go there fairly regularly (it's 1 1/2 blocks from my apt.)  Cool place,
good food, great people.  It is m.c. friendly.  The owners, Derek and Cici
support Army of Darkness racing team.  Derek rides a Duc which is often
parked out front.

			Jeff

============================================================================
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Finger me for PGP key.

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past the firewall, over the T-1... nothing but 'Net."


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Todd Peer wrote:

     tongue in cheek John.  and if your NOT joking, i'd appreciate
     you keep your worried psycho-analysis to yourself.

-----------------------

Well, I'm glad it was tongue in cheek.

But I have a major problem with people going on about "fags".... just like I
do with people who talks about "niggers," "kikes," and so forth. So why
don't you keep that stuff to yourself?

I'm sure you're a perfectly nice guy who didn't mean to be really offensive,
which is why I'm bothering to say anything. I hope you'll take this in the
spirit intended.




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Yup, been there. Polly's is a cool place. Great jukebox, inexpensive food,
pitchers of beer... a relief from some of the hyper-trendy spots that have
popped up on the "New U."

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd B Peer <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 1:50 PM
Subject: Polly's




Anyone been there?  It's been awhile since I've picked up a Washington
City Paper.  Just thumbing through I see this add for Polly's on U
St. NW.  It appears to be motorcyclist friendly.

     Todd


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TO: Anyone Going to Polly's (inluding Jeff)

Please say "Hi" to Cici from Stephen Dobson. Cici and I pitted for the
AOD at Grattan. She's really enthusiastic, and a generally great person. 

I'm sure she'll remember, I was the one wearing black. Hmmm. Actually I
think we just might have all been wearing black. And perhaps Tim, or was
it Mark, painted the whole damn bike black. Oh well, maybe mention the
hair?

http://www.13x.com/aod

Stephen

Jeffrey Teitel wrote.  
> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Todd B Peer wrote:
> 
> > Subject: Polly's
> >
> > Anyone been there?  It's been awhile since I've picked up a Washington
> > City Paper.  Just thumbing through I see this add for Polly's on U
> > St. NW.  It appears to be motorcyclist friendly.
> 
> I go there fairly regularly (it's 1 1/2 blocks from my apt.)  Cool place,
> good food, great people.  It is m.c. friendly.  The owners, Derek and Cici
> support Army of Darkness racing team.  Derek rides a Duc which is often
> parked out front.
> 
>                         Jeff

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     Wooo-hoo... 
     
        Unofficial, rough around the edges head count reveals roughly 35 
     people (on the list, or related to someone on the list) who would like 
     to show.  Count 10 of those out if the date is bad, or they find 
     themselves submersed in 'evil overlord' duties.  So, either way (did I 
     offer 2 ways.. why, by-golly. I guess I did!).. we're going to have a 
     good number of people showing up.. somewhere... sometime.  
     
     Anyway.. I'm neglecting work.. again, guess I ought to do some of that 
     stuff..
     
        Brian McCoy



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Test please ignore

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	To all:
This is rather important even if you do not currently own or ride a 
motorcycle.  The U.S. government is spending *your* tax dollars to 
wage a political campaign.  This highly unethical at best.  Please 
visit the web site listed below for all the details.  Thanks.

--John Carver

----------
From:  aol.com!Trix099[SMTP:aol.com!Trix099]
Sent:  Thursday, August 07, 1997 12:14 PM
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Subject:  NHTSA



The Anne Arundel Chapter of ABATE Maryland is asking for your help to 
fight
back against a Federal Agency that is meddling in your legislature.

Please visit the Biker's Rights - Let Your Voice Be Heard section at
                                      www.bikerheaven.com
                                and participate in this cause.


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Hey y'all

I need a "click adjustment collar" for a Shoei RF200 helmet. Anybody got
one they're not using?

TIA

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Well, Struck out so far finding rooms in York for the open house,
Checked with three chains and they are booked up, looks like I may be
riding up and back Thursday and Friday.  If anybody heres of a place
with vacancies let me know.  Otherwise I guess, I will hope to meet and
ride on up with ya.  still dont have anything but vague info on the
party they throw in York Friday evening. Not sure yet whos playing...
				HDKnight

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At 09:01 AM 8/8/97 -0400, jcarver@XXXXXX wrote:
>	To all:
>This is rather important even if you do not currently own or ride a 
>motorcycle.  The U.S. government is spending *your* tax dollars to 
>wage a political campaign.  This highly unethical at best.  Please 
>visit the web site listed below for all the details.  Thanks.
>
>--John Carver
>

A quick summary of these things would be handy for those of us who read our
mail off-line and can't just click over to the web site (and will probably
forget to look next time we log on without something to make it stick in
our minds). 

thx


* * *
John Whiteside
Washington, DC


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Thanks, Matthew.  Being the "old lady" that I am, I don't like to ride with
(or near) people who have been drinking.  Don't think it's a smart
combination.

Lisa V.

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Subject: Help, I need directions

I won a pair of tickets to see the Kinston Indians.  They play at Pfitzer
stadium.  Does anyone know where that is?
Nick Ranone


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     I was removed/deleted from the list.. this is a first for me with this 
     list.  What happened Mr. List man?
     
     What'd I miss anyway guys?
     
     Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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     Eesh... maybe not, I just got this back... has the traffic just 
     completely died over the past couple of days, or what?
     
     (sig below)


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     I was removed/deleted from the list.. this is a first for me with this 
     list.  What happened Mr. List man?
     
     What'd I miss anyway guys?
     
     Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f
     
     
     



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I've volunteered to get some information out on this fund raising event, so
here goes:

(Taken from the Pony Express Web page -
www2.firstsaga.com/goldwing/vaponyex.html)

In the summer of '96, the National Pony Express Tour was a 14,537 mile relay
around the perimeter of the United States.  It's purpose - to raise money for
the fight against breast cancer, which kills 46,000 women, and a couple
thousand men, each year.  These women motorcyclists and their supporters
raised $317,000.  The Tour is scheduled to run every even year, with local
fund raising events during the odd years.

In the spirit of the National Tour, Virginia's riders and their supporters
are organizing the first Virginia Pony Express Ride to take place SEPTEMBER
27 and 28, 1997.  Their goal is to raise $100,000 for Breast Cancer Research
at The Massey Cancer Center at VCU's Medical College of Virginia.  

There will be six event sites on Saturday, September 27.  They include the
four Massey Cancer Center outreach sites plus Manassas and Waynesboro.  On
Sunday, a rally will be held in Richmond at the State Capitol, with a parade
to The Diamond immediately following the rally.  The restaurants in Shockoe
(sp?) will probably open their doors early for those who wish to brunch.

For additional information, or to volunteer your time to this cause, check
out the Web page listed at the beginning of this message.  Ladies - you don't
have to ride to participate.  Follow up on this and see how you can be a
Principal or Associate Rider.  Gentlemen - you can help, too, by volunteering
to carry a non-riding Principal or Associate rider, or to pledge to be an
Associate rider.

Sponsors of this event include McDonald's and Signa.

Thanks for your time!

Lisa V.  

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The Anne Arundel Chapter of ABATE (Maryland) and Biker Heaven 
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Has there been any traffic this weekend?  I havent goten any.
Nick


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> Has there been any traffic this weekend?  I havent goten any.
> Nick
 
The only traffic I know of was out on the roads.  With the beautiful
weekend we just had, everyone was probably out riding!!  

I did 530 miles in 12 hrs on Saturday, going around Norfolk and over the 
Bay-Bridge-Tunnel.  Beautiful ride.  I'll have to go back and do the 
Bridge-Tunnel at night, it looks like there is pleanty of lighting, and
could be a nice view.  Plus it would be a more leasurely ride if I had
stopped at a hotel somewhere.  I wasn't planning on practicing for the
Iron Butt ride!  :-)

Louis

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Alexandria, VA      |  '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC 
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>Has there been any traffic this weekend?  I havent goten any.
>Nick

Nope.  Everyone's been out riding, like happy people!  Including myself,
thankyouvurrahmuch.  We don't get weekends like this in August very often,
and I really had to get out and appreciate it!

Al
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I've gotten 7 messages dated 8/9 and 8/10 including your 2.

LindaT.

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Subject:	Traffic

Has there been any traffic this weekend?  I havent goten any.
Nick

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     Quit Lieing Al... you were out playing in a pool... not riding the 
     roads... (well, ectept for the trip up and back).
     
     Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f


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>Has there been any traffic this weekend?  I havent goten any. 
>Nick
     
Nope.  Everyone's been out riding, like happy people!  Including myself, 
thankyouvurrahmuch.  We don't get weekends like this in August very often, 
and I really had to get out and appreciate it!
     
Al
level_5_ltd@XXXXXX
     
     
     



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Subject: Arizona- HELP!


 Help! 
 
 My husband and I are (were?) planning a move out to Pheonix for two major
reasons: The Motorcycle Mechanics Institiute and a warm climate (his physical
requirement). 
 
 He got out there two days ago to rent us a house, and is really freaked out
by the unfriendliness he's encountered. He met a guy, coincidentally also
attending MMI, who told him that not only are people unfriendly, but that
both the civilians and the police give bikers a really hard time.
 
  We are of course trying not to make a mistake in either direction. Can
*ANYBODY* confirm or deny these allegations?  
 
 Sharon 


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Help! 

My husband and I are (were?) planning a move out to Pheonix for two major
reasons: The Motorcycle Mechanics Institiute and a warm climate (his physical
requirement). 

He got out there two days ago to rent us a house, and is really freaked out
by the unfriendliness he's encountered. He met a guy, coincidentally also
attending MMI, who told him that not only are people unfriendly, but that
both the civilians and the police give bikers a really hard time.

 We are of course trying not to make a mistake in either direction. Can
*ANYBODY* confirm or deny these allegations?  

Sharon

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Subject: Re: Arizona

Sharon & everyone

The Fear:

>not only are people unfriendly, but that
>both the civilians and the police give bikers a really hard time.

The only time I was ever pulled over on my bike and didn't get a ticket was
in AZ.  I was leaving the state with about 30 miles left to go, and I got
stopped for 85 mph.   The cop talked to me for a while, and then concluded
that since I was dressed in leathers, wearing a helmet, and my tires were in
good condition, I was not riding unsafely.  He wrote me a warning.  I was
stunned.  I was sure I had a ticket.

At the time, the speed limit was still 55.  It is now 75 in many parts of the
state. This nice high limit and the incredible variety of terrain in Arizona
makes it one of my favorite states to ride motorcycles.  I've met friendly
people there every time. Don't panic because of two bad days!

Colleen

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Subject: BIKE FOR SALE:  1982 Yamaha Virago 750 
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BIKE FOR SALE:  1982 Yamaha Virago 750 Shaft Drive

Runs, inspected through Sep 97, needs work.  Fouls plugs and lightly 
backfires when warmed up. Has typical, chronic Virago starter grinding 
gear problem. 

Only 8000 miles, tank is in good condition (no dents), needs paint.  Missing
plastic Yamaha tank badges.  New plugs, air filter, oil, and oil filter.  New Yuasa
battery installed last summer.  Fork seals and fork oil replaced last summer.  
New starter gears just installed.  Saddleskins replacement seat cover (looks nice).

Clear title, Clymer's manual, spare engine crankcase, box of spare parts, and 
an extra oil filter included.  If you know how to tune a carb, you can probably get 
this bike running nicely.  First $600 rides it away.  Bike is located in Dale City, VA.

Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

(703) 367-4732 days
(703) 590-5781 evenings


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Hello 
 I'm from Phoenix, I lived there for over  25 years, I moved back to 
the DC area 3 years ago (I lived here 5 years in the 80's).
the thing I miss most about Arizona is the friendly people.
the thing that I don't miss about Phoenix is all of the unfriendly 
people from back east that are moving outthere and bringing their 
East coast big city attitudes with them. MMI is a big draw. it  is 
also one of the biggest reasons I am now in the computer industry.
too many motorcycle mechanics in Phoenix. There is also an other 
school there. MMI is on the northwest side of town. The class of 
people tends to go up the farther east in Maricopa County you go.
Paradise valley isn't a bad area NE side of the mountians. Sunnyslope 
is where I lived before I moved back here to ROME (Wash. DC)
sunnyslope is an older area of town that is in hte N. central area 
not a bad commute to MMI. the biker community is very open but a 
little reseved untill they know you. (Lots of undercover cops). if 
you are a Harley type there are lots of harleys there. Year round 
riding. ( I only had a bike for over three years). Yes the bike cops 
have a real attitude!!! The rest of the cops are just cops doing 
their job. some of the towns are tuff others aren't so bad. 
Scottsdale cops are very protective of the rich people there. 
I've had problem with them even though Scottsdale is the town I grew 
up in. ( you didn't have tobe rich to move there in the early 60's)

bottom line I don't  it here because of the unfriendly people. so maybe 
my POV is a little skewed.  I love it there!! It gets HOTTT!!!! in 
the summer but that's the bad weather. winter is heaven. 75 degrees 
in Jan. it sometimes gets down to 30 degrees at night. the mountians 
and the lakes are nearby. snow sking in winter, water sking in summer 
and riding weather year-round. If you get away from the people that 
have just moved there too you can walk down the street and say hi to 
anyone and they will say hi back and not look at you like you are 
going to do something to them.

 Take me with you Please!!!!
 Bones

bonez@XXXXXX

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Do anyone know if there is a place on the WWW that shows bike prices new
used like Edmunds does for cars?

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna

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Glen, 
	Dont know of any price guides on the Web, tried a couple of searches,
but could not find anything.  However the March 1997 issue of Motorcycle
Consumer News had a rather impressive Used Bike Value Guide, going back
to 1982.  Ill gladly look up anything in particular.  At one time I had
heard that MCN was going to be on the Web, but I have not found them
either.

			HDKnight

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Try this.  I haven't checked it lately....

 <A HREF="http://www.theautochannel.com:2080/db/bikeguide">Motorcycle Blue Boo
k On-Line</A> 

- Jeff


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Try this.  I haven't checked it lately....

 <A HREF="http://www.theautochannel.com:2080/db/bikeguide">Motorcycle Blue Boo
k On-Line</A> 

- Jeff


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Subject: Good Roads?

Due to various family and work obligations, I haven't been able to ride
nearly as much this summer as I would have liked.  Plenty of warm days with
no rain, yet I've only logged 3000 miles since my riding season began.  (Yes,
I'm a fair weather rider -- hate to be wet or cold).  So, I've advised my
husband I will be taking a 3 day leisurely trip down the eastern shore one
weekend in September.

Sending this message as I'd like to know of good roads any of you may have
taken through the Norfolk/Tidewater/Richmond area.  My general plan is to
ride north to Dewey Beach (or Lewes) then to ride along the coast, across the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, around Norfolk (maybe stopping for a short stay
in Virginia Beach if it's Neptune Festival weekend) and then back up to
Northern Virginia.  My original thought was to somehow incorporate the James
River Bridge (Route 17, I think) into my return trip.

Chris Meier provided the group with the route he uses to get to Dewey, and I
plan on trying those out.  Does any one else have some insight as to which
roads make for enjoyable riding in any of the areas I may be near or passing
through?  How about points of interest where I could spend an hour or so
sight seeing, absorbing local culture/history, or just kicking back?

Things you should know:  I ride a '93 Sportster and I like to sight see,
which means I putt along at or near the speed limit.  I have three days in
which to complete this trip and plan on stopping for the day when I get tired
at any motel that has a vacancy.  (Of course, I don't want some flea bag
motel, but, other than that, all I'm looking for is a place to sleep).  As of
this time, I'm traveling alone as I don't want to have to set my schedule to
someone else's clock (this is a pleasure trip -- no kids, no husband, no
work).

Thanks,

Lisa V.  
 

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For used bike prices, the autochannel rates about as useful as udders on
a bull. What a load of garbage. Maybe it's useful for cagers, but it's
as slow as molasses in winter, and about as interesting for two wheeled
bretheren as listening to paint dry.

In the motorcycles section of Buy Direct, they have a few
"Chicks-on-bikes" calendars, and a
"making-of-a-chicks-on-bikes-calendar" Oh, take me back to motorcycle
online, pleeeeease. Speaking of which, MO has a really lengthy section
of want ads for motorcycles. and for those of you who can convert from
Canadian Dollars into US Dollars, and know what a kilometer is, there's
always the Canadian Motorcycle Guide:
http://www.simple.on.ca/cmg/
Which unfortunately, wasn't up when I checked it just now, but usually
runs somewhere between humorous, and base, with the occasional foray
into informative. Entertainment is guaranteed, and there are some
interesting threads posted on their discussion group which hasn't quite
spawned a list yet.

Back to work.
Stephen
AntietamMC@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> Try this.  I haven't checked it lately....
> 
>  <A HREF="http://www.theautochannel.com:2080/db/bikeguide">Motorcycle Blue Boo
> k On-Line</A>
> 
> - Jeff

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Well,

I picked up the bike from Cycle Sports Springfield.  Total Bill:

     $439.35

They replaced the needle valves with a stock Kawasaki set and resynced,
retuned, and reinstalled the carbs, basically.  They went through one or
two aftermarket sets, but finally settled on the stock ones.  

Ed (the mechanic) found some interesting things in the carbs, too, like
the remains of what were probably bugs at one time.  I've put only about
1600 miles on it since I bought it a year ago, but that's almost as much
as the previous owner put on in 5.  So, anything could have grown
there.  There's no better way to kill a bike than to let it sit.

They also threw on a basic tune-up (plugs, filter, oil, cables).

The bike moves out like never before!  It starts and warms up faster and
carburation is smooth.

I just gotta ride the thing more.

-- 

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Lisa, there are some fairly scenic roads on the western side of the
Eastern Shore of MD, west of US 13.  Lots of them are dead ends and
would require a back track but since you have three days it might be
worth it.  While your in MD be sure to stop in the fishing town of
Crisfield for some good seafood.  Its located at the MD/VA line on the
Eastern Shore.

US 17 is a fairly nice road with very little traffic and basically no
trucks. When I say fairly nice I mean compared to I-95.  Watch for the
state police though,  I think they work this road more than any other in
VA.  Of course you said that you will be doing the speed limit so that
shouldn't matter.  If you haven't been down this road in a while they
just finished reworking the York river bridge at Yorktown and it now
costs $2 to go north, free going south.

If I were you I might just skip VA beach and travel another 1 to 2 hours
south and ride down the Cape Hatteras National Seashore on NC 12.

good luck and have fun

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna

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>
>Sending this message as I'd like to know of good roads any of you may have
>taken through the Norfolk/Tidewater/Richmond area.  My general plan is to
>ride north to Dewey Beach (or Lewes) then to ride along the coast, across the
>Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, around Norfolk (maybe stopping for a short stay
>in Virginia Beach if it's Neptune Festival weekend) and then back up to
>Northern Virginia.  My original thought was to somehow incorporate the James
>River Bridge (Route 17, I think) into my return trip.
>

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Glen:

I vacation on the Banks with my family every summer.  One of the first years
after buying the bike, I took it to the beach with us.  Once you've ridden
Route 12 (north to Corolla or south to Hatteras-Ocracoke Ferry), it's done.
 Traffic's a bit too heavy and not much in the way of scenery.

But, thanks for the thought.  If I hadn't already done it, I'd probably
extend my trip to that area.

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     Greetings fellow 2-wheeled adventures...
     
        *cough* Ok, I have to say that I did something kinda foolish, and a 
     lot spontanious.  When I learned of Raask rear-sets for my VF500f.. I 
     just went right to the phone, credit card in hand, and ordered.. no 
     care for the cost.  Yikes... oops?  Ok, I also did this a week before 
     UPS went on strike (that was what, 10 days ago now?).  
     
        *cha-ching*  $250.00 later they were on their way.  Destine to 
     arrive one week from the shipping date (a Monday).  Well, they 
     probably would have arrived that next Monday had UPS held off on their 
     strike till Monday NIGHT at 12am.  *growl*  Anyway, they ended up 
     sitting inside my doorway yesterday, much to my supprise.  I open up 
     the bok, look again at the price (a little on the heavy side IMHO) and 
     then picked up the rest of the included information.  Hrm, a nice 
     picture book of every rear-set they make, for each bike... some 
     clip-ons and handlebars.. and a price guide.  Whoaaa... hold on a 
     second, I look through a second time.  Nope, not even the impossible 
     instructions that come with Givi bags, not one thing that's even close 
     to instructions for these things.  Sure, about now, you're saying to 
     yourself 'How hard can it possibly be to put rear-sets on a 
     motorcycle'.  Well, if you saw all the little pieces and gizmos (does 
     this thing frappe too?!!?) and attachments, you'd be looking for 
     instructions as well.  
     
        The only thing I had to base assembly on was a picture in their 
     little catalouge.  Ok, I'm mechanically inclined, this is a tast I can 
     accomplish.  Get the tools.....
        Not to much longer I had them assembled, and pretty much tightened 
     down where they needed it.. and only a few extra pieces *grin*, oh, 
     wait... that's just the mounting hardware.  Off to the Batcave to dive 
     into the bike and replace these things.  Well, taking off the shifter 
     side was pretty simple, and installing the new rear-set not so hard... 
     except that there's no place to bolt the exhaust canister to.  (still 
     haven't figured this out... saftey wire anyone?!)  On to the break -- 
     er, brake side.  Disassembly took a long time, just because of the 
     massive ammounts of RUST hiding in all them little grooves.  Heck, one 
     pin was removed with a... *cough-hammer-cough*.  That little bad-boy 
     was stuck.  Anyway, got everything disassembled, and reinstaliation 
     was pretty smooth.. except I don't have a brake light attached right 
     now.  (I don't use that usualy, plus I'm putting the bike on the track 
     full-time here shortly.)  Start to finish - ummm, 3 hours.. (blame 
     that on the fact that the bike's seen more watter than a salmon)
     
        Rideing impression:
     
     YIKES!! my knees are really bent now.  These get me up, right over the 
     tank.  I'm forced to the front of the seat, almost perched on the 
     bike.. completely ready for action (these will be great on the track). 
     Rode it home from the gym... something I didn't enjoy, talk about 
     cramps.. but after the shower, and cooling off a little, I took off 
     for a longer ride.  Other than being really slippery (I've got grip 
     tape planned for them in the near future), and myself unaccustomed to 
     them, they are nice.  Like I said, they put you in the 'attack' 
     position 100% of the time, you can pretty much not be ready for that 
     hard corner you're not quite ready for, just lean.  The back end does 
     seem a little more skittish now (more bias on the front end), front 
     end feed-back has become more important (Look-out Lindman Enginering), 
     and speed/comfort with speed has gone up.  I've only put maybe 30 
     miles on them so-far, but I like the position that it forces me into.  
     On the other hand, I'm not going to want this for my full-time street 
     bike much longer.  Guess that's my new excuse for the bike purchase 
     (but I put rear-sets on, and just can't ride it on the street for long 
     distances anymore.. *more whine.. and cheese*)  
     
     
     Anyway, I'm outta here.  Time to get home, and dream fast, twisty 
     dreams... Ride safe everyone.
     
        Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f (with fast pegs now!)



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Where might one find a copy of Motorcycle Consumer News? Have tried 
SuperCrown, Walton, that place in Georgetown (whose name escapes me at 
the moment) to no avail:(



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George,

	I have never seen Motorcycle Consumer News on the newstand, I dont even
know if it's available there.  The subscription price is pretty steep
for what amounts to a glorified newsletter but I must admit that I
probably get more useful advice out of a years MCN than any 3 or 4 other
rags.  Which IMHO Are essentially 100 page long advertisements for
whatever new gismo/gadget or bike is out.  I even ride a Harley, and MCN
has never had too many kind words for those, with the exception of the
Sportster which happens to be what I have.  But in their defense they
are not very far off the mark.  I have had to laugh at the general MC
press fawning over the 97 Heritage Springer.  I dont know where these
guys test rode that bike, but it must have been some place like the
Bonneville Salt flats.  I ride with three guys with them, and its great
if thats the style you like, but the darn things Cant be leaned over
worth a damm.  They scape more metal than any bike I have ever seen.  It
may not be too unnerving for the rider, but several times while
following in the evening I have managed to startle myself when I have
seen the sparks flying in front and grabbed a handful of brake, not sure
if they were going to make it around some our lovely curves out here in
West By God.

	Well thats probably enough digression at this point, anyway, If you are
interested in MCN, their subscription number is 
  800-735-9335.  and twelve issues area whopping 29.00, 24 for 43.00.

				Ride Safe,

				HDKnight

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    Nice post Brian! Thanks.

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At 23:05 -0500 8/14/97, Brian McCoy wrote:
>
>        *cough* Ok, I have to say that I did something kinda foolish, and a
>     lot spontanious.  When I learned of Raask rear-sets for my VF500f.. I
>     just went right to the phone, credit card in hand, and ordered.. no
>     care for the cost.  Yikes... oops?  Ok, I also did this a week before
>     UPS went on strike (that was what, 10 days ago now?).
>
>        *cha-ching*  $250.00 later they were on their way.

$250?  You got bent over.  I've got a set on the way COD for the total of
$219.  Of course, I'm still waiting for mine.  :\

J.Politte

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     Greetings..
     
        I just posted something saying that I felt like the back end of my 
     bike felt light, and was stepping out (with the instalation of 
     rear-sets).  Today, I found out how wrong I was.  I was taking a very 
     familiar corner, marked 35, at about 70 mph... and I had my front tire 
     slide out from under me.  Ok, this was a downright butt-clentching 
     experience... one I'd not like to repeat, at least on the street.  I 
     didn't feel that I was pushing the limits of the tire, the bike, the 
     conditions or myself... but obviously this wasn't the case.  I went 
     back and looked at the corner, and the place I thought I slid, there 
     was Nothing on the ground right there.. no gravel, no oil - oil 
     residue, no nothing.  My tire, while not being new, still has a bit of 
     wear left till the wear indicators say 'replace me!'.  The front forks 
     have good oil in them, new seals, and are in good general condition.. 
     I was rested, awake, and just pushing a little to have some fun - 
     well, my push on the street has gotten to be to much now.  I've seen 
     this indication in a couple other minor situations, and that's the 
     main reason I've enroled for the local racing school.  
     
        Anyway, my main point is that even if nothing seems wrong, or out 
     of place.  If you feel like you're rideing within your ability, and 
     that whatever comes your way can be handled, Don't get comfortable.  
     That comfort, and lack of readiness will bite you when you least 
     expect it, even if everything seems perfect.  I probably hit the 
     1:1,000,000 chance today with sliding my front end in the manor that I 
     did with the conditions the way they were, and I feel I was lucky for 
     being able to ride on through this to get to work.. but next time, who 
     knows.  I'm not complaining now about the heat and my aerostich or 
     arai... I'm glad I had them on, and I'll continue wearing them 
     faithfully like I have been.  I just kinda want to spit out a reminder 
     that we take a bit more risk than those cagers, and that we need to 
     take it safe (I want to see the day that bikes are more popular than 
     cars.. it'll happen, well.. I can dream right... and now about that 
     new Bimota......)
     
     Here's to everyones safe rideing, and continued enjoyment.
     
     
        Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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Hope I don't get slammed/flamed too badly on the list - the fact that I'm 
selling my pride and joy is tough enough!! 

Please pass the word around if you know anyone who is interested in a super 
nice/clean bike:

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For Sale - 

1995 Honda Nighthawk 750 CC, (Brand new 4 mos ago) 730 miles on the clock.  

I bought this bike 4 months ago Brand new off a dealer floor, ridden on 
weekends probably 10/12 times.  Ridden VERY softly 730 miles, just had the 
breakin (600 Mi) service done on it, new filter/oil, etc.  Garaged kept/
covered, VERY pampered bike, never seen rain, etc.  

This is essentially a new bike that's ready to ride after the breakin period.  
Got married, bought house, no time (unfortunately) to ride it.   I bought it 
with 2 new helmets for approx. $5600, would like to sell it and helmets (1 
never used) for $5000.

Please email me privately at elliottm@XXXXXX

Matt Elliott
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'97 YZF1000R Red and White
Excellent Condition, all stock
3800 Miles
Purchased new 05/97.
Carefully broken (already has 4 oil changes and 3 filters)
Uses NO oil
Good tires (new front, good rear)
Comes with rear race stand, Service Manual, Yamaha Oil Filters

This is a great handling, comforable bike.
This month's Sport Rider shoot-out winner.

$8850

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     >First of all, I'm assuming that you are O.K. (no injuries)?? Hope so.
     
     I'm fine, with the exception of a few more lost hairs due to the panic 
     I encountered. (Male patter baldness my *** - it's the HELMET!)
     
     >Second, do you mind saying what tires you have on your Viffer? I'd be
     >interested, and what you would estimate as to the % of wear. Just
     >information for me maybe helping to choose tires.
     
     On the front I'm running a Metzeler ME33-Laser (I think that's the 
     correct model number at least).  It's nearing retirement (sorry 'bout 
     the pun), but I haven't hit the wear indicators yet.  It's supposed to 
     be one of the best out there for older bias-ply required bikes.  On 
     the back, I have a new Avon Supervenom - about 200 scrub in miles on 
     that.  I've been running this combination for about 6K miles now, and 
     it works well.  I was going to make a change when I finished my F2 
     wheel conversion (front and rear).  
     
     >Do you think the
     >type/size had a factor in how far you could push them?
     
     I doubt tire size had much to do with this.  My bike should have a 90 
     on front, I have a 100 - out back should be a 110, I run a 130.  I 
     should probably have a 120 on the back to stay equal with the 
     increased sizes, but I didn't.
     
     On a side note, I was talking to someone I admire as a racer last 
     night about this, and he threw in another question I hadn't asked.... 
     What tire pressure I run.  Well, I keep it religiously at 31 front, 
     33/34 back (cold).  The recommended ranges run (I think) 34-36 front, 
     and 35-38 back.  He assured me that running even a few PSI low could 
     easily cause a slide like I had.  Racers drop their tire pressure down 
     to about 30/28 (front/rear) - but then again, they're playing at 110% 
     the whole time, and with the heated tires, comes a raise in pressure.  
     I also learned that a tire heats up more in a corner, and actually 
     cools off on straights (as a total).  So running a little lower than 
     what's on the tire could be causing more problems with handling than 
     most would care to admit.  
     
     Anyway, more pennies for y'alls collections.
     
     Ride safe,
     
        Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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Since I'd mentioned this to several at the RCR, I figured I'd post my trip
report (also since I wrote so much I thought I'd subject as many people to
it as possible!).

I have finally completed my Great Western Adventure.  A little background
first.  The only other long distance, multi-day tour I've done was the RCR
(about 2,100 miles) and a friend accompanied me for that trip.  This is
the second major trip (overnighter ) and the 1st solo trip (other than
short day rides) I've done.  I have to say that I really did enjoy it.  I
decided that I wanted to see the west on my bike and, in addition, stop by
my brother's house in Park City, UT (He didn't believe that I'd actua lly
visit on a bike.).  I allocated about 2 weeks for the trip planning on
doing about 500 miles/day to get out there and back, and about 300/day
once there for sight seeing.  The old mileage plans fell through and I
ended up doing about 400/day during th e sightseeing part.  I was also
going to try to see as many national parks as possible (though this didn't
quite pan out due to rain/gravel/late starts).  I did the trip on a '96
GPz 1100 with a three bag Givi set up.  I used a motel only 3 nights, the
re st were camping or family/friend's house.  I was going to write a short
version and a long version, the short version grew so I decided to nix the
short version and go only with the versbose one.  However, I did include
some brief notes.  And now what you 've all been waiting for: The Trip
Report... 

Vital Statistics:
  Start/End: Maryland (Washington, DC suburbs)
  Farthest Point North: Harlowton, MT
  Farthest Point West: St. George (actually Hurricane), UT
  Farthest Point South: Kayenta, AZ (actually junction of AZ98 & US160)
  Highest Point: 12,183' (Trail Ridge Drive)
  Distance: 7,231 miles
  Fuel: 182 gallons
  Duration: 14.5 days
  Average Mileage: 40.3 miles/gallon

Highlights:
  Beartooth Highway: beautiful scenery and excellent riding
  Riding through the Rain in the Desert: very cool experience
  Welding shop in La Verkin, UT: $30.00 to repair my Givi rack
  Snow Family Guest Ranch: watched my Givi bags during repair of rack
  Moose viewing in Grand Teton: ~4' from the road
  Zion Canyon: NPS did a great job routing the road through the canyon
  Escalante Wilderness, UT12: Very scenic and fun to ride
  Columbine Cafe in Leadville: great red chile
  Fellow bikers along the way: great conversation and company 
  Cadillac Ranch Proprieter: very friendly and locally knowledgable
  GPz 1100: eats up both the miles and the twisties

Lowlights:
  Riding through the desert in the rain: very wet and slick in spots
  East canyon:  ridden at night with no moon and loose gravel
  I70, I80, I90, I64, I81, I66: need I say more?
  "Pavement Ends", "Loose Gravel/Fresh Oil" signs: I hate gravel roads!
  Montana: at least the part I was in, I've seen enough pastures now!
  CO149 & CO92:  without the rain, this road pair would be highlights
  Chain drive: a pain in the ass

Good Things I did:
  Food in the tank bag to eat on the way and the Camelback of water
  Torque wrench brought for the ride
  O-Ring throttle lock
  Cheap poncho to keep rain off of dashboard/controls at night
  Brought AAA campbooks and both regional and state maps
  Kept a journal
  Always had an unopened bottle of water with me
  Refueled with at least 50 miles left before reserve
  Radio in tank bag wired to old headphones in helmet (both for music and
     weather information)
  Camera/cell phone in tank bag
  Extra trashbags for rain protection
  Packed extra backpack (useful after the Givis broke)
  Left the laptop at home
  Picked the brains of the locals for roads/information
  Lots of papertowls to clear bugs off of faceshield in tank bag
  Brought sweatshirt/sweatpants for temperatures at altitude

Bad things I did:
  Tried to pick the bike up with my back, not my legs (VERY BAD)
  Stored water bottle in top box, even the store bought bottles leak 
  Should have called each state (or AAA) to find out about construction on 
      non-interstates
  Rain suit started out under seat, quickly moved to top box  
  Should have had more $1 bills since many campgrounds (USDA/NPS) are 
      self-service
  Not enough time to really see anything at any of my destinations
  Should have brought more than a few tablets of Ibuprofen

Miscellanious Details (mostly GPz specific):
  Mounted a new set of MEZ2's just prior to the trip.  The bike handled
really well on them, though the rear now has a big flat spot.  I can't
expect much else with all the slab miles and the load the bike was
handling.  On my little spill, the Givis did a great job protecting my
pipes from any damage, though it did result in a small crack in the
fairing.  The Genmar risers did a great job, since the only thing that
hurt after so many miles was my butt.  I higher windscreen would have been
nice to deflect more bugs off of my faceshield.  A brighter headlight
(sitting on my desk) would be great for those evenings when I decided to
go canyon carving. 

Chronology

Monday-Friday.  I ordered a new set of Dunlop D205s from Dennis Kirk.  I
paid extra for the three delivery so that they'd arrive on Friday and I
could mount them and do my trip on fresh tires.  I get a message Tuesday
night off of my machine at 2100 (afte r I got home from work late), "Mr.
Berman, please call customer service before 1800 today, we have a problem
with your order."  I call back on Wednesday and they need to confirm the
credit card since an operator took the initial order (done at night).  I
complain that if I'd known that I would have been sure to call back on
Tuesday from work (since I worked so late).  After a bit of talking they
say that they will ship 2 day (remember, this is now Wednesday) at their
expense (since this is not the first t ime that they've had that problem). 
Friday comes, and no tires.  I call Dennis Kirk and am told that they went
out Thursday, 2 day delivery and will arrive Monday.  I tell that that is
no good since I leave Saturday night.  There's nothing they can do.  I had
to go to a local dealer and pay (through the nose) for a set of Metzeler
MEZ2s, the only thing anyone local had in the right size.  From my trip I
find out that they didn't actually arrive until Tuesday.  Dennis Kirk says
that they will refund the e xtra shipping.  An ominous beginning to this
trip (and a very expensive one!). 

Saturday (night, just to get out of town). Left Bethesda, MD and arrived
at Finzel, MD travelling on MD355, I270, I70, I68.  These roads were all
slabs and very boring.  Although I couldn't get a room in Cumberland (my
first choice) due to the Drum Festi val!  That explains why I camped in
Finzel, MD. 

Sunday. Left Finzel, MD and arrived at Morgantown, WV travelling on the
I68, I79 slabs.  Went from Morgantown, WV to Wheeling, WV on US250, 250
was a nice road with some very good curves and was a welcome change from
the slab.  Left Wheeling, WV and arriv ed at Mendota, IL on the I70, I74,
I39 slabs.  The scenery was very nice: cornfield, cornfield, tree,
cornfield, cornfield, city, cornfield.  I did run into thunderstorms
around Indianapolis (wx channel was report > 1" hail stones), fortunately
I only fo und rain. 

Monday. Left Mendota, IL and arrived at Vermillion, SD travelling on US34,
I80, I29. Passed the Del Monte corn plant in Mendota, IL.  Left
Vermillion, SD and arrived at St. Charles, SD travelling on SD50, SD46,
US18.  An uncle's ranch is in St. Charles, S D and provided the evening
lodging.  As I passed through Sioux City, I needed all of my will power to
not stop at the Gateway 2000 outlet!  Finally, after getting into South
Dakota the long, straight rows of corn fields finally ended as I crested
the hill overlooking Fort Randall.  My first taste of enjoyable scenery! 
It was a really pretty scene down the hill to the resevoir and the fort. 
After getting into Herrick, I called the ranch, and had trouble getting
through.  I went to the local (that would be the only gas station in 20
miles) gas station and the attendant gave me directions to the ranch. 
After driving down three wrong gravel roads (and passing the remains of a
bank from the late 19th century), I found the right gravel road and the
ranch.  I was able to discover that the GPz tops out at 125 mph with the
Givis.  The engine still had more, but the bags were going to shake the
bike apart if I went any faster. 

Tuesday. Left St. Charles, SD and arrived White River, SD travelling on
US18, US183, SD44.  The skies were looking rather dark as I pulled out of
the ranch.  Travelling down the gravel road, I found a deep, center strip
of gravel and the GPz promptly wobb led to the ground at 15-20 mph. 
Damage was minimal, a cracked lower fairing and a scraped up, but still
watertight Givi pannier.  However, I 1st tried to lift the bike up
completely with my back.  This resulted in the only real damage to me from
this spi ll, aside from my ego.  The Givi's protected the pipes quite
well.  Gravel got literally in every nook and cranny of the bike (and me). 
Light rain started about 20 miles west of St. Charles.  I stopped for gas
at Whitewater and ended up sitting in the ha rdware store/coffee shop for
about 2 hours due to the pain in my back.  Due to the rain (and my back),
I took US83 to I90 to SD240 instead of the backroads from Whitewater to
the Badlands.  No interesting roads here, just wet ones.  When I got to
Cactus F lats, I thought "Damnit, I am at the Badlands and I am going to
go sightseeing and it doesn't matter if I can't walk straight and it's
raining."  The Badlands were interesting and the road could have been fun,
if it were dry.  Going through the Badlands, it dawned on me that wind and
rain created these rock formations and I didn't have much more protection
from the elements than the rocks.  I left the Badlands and arrived in
Deadwood, SD traveling on SD240, I90, US85.  More flat, straight slab,
except US8 5 did offer some nice sweepers.  In Deadwood, I did opt for the
motel, again due to the rain and the back.  At this point, I had consulted
with an MD (brother) who said to hit the ibuprofen REAL hard.  On this
part of the trip I was able to discover where the leaks in my rainsuit
were.  Wherever I stopped in SD, I only met nice people. 

Wednesday.  I woke up and got a late start, but the back felt MUCH better. 
After tightening the chain, I left Deadwood, SD.  The road out of Deadwood
offered a few nice high speed sweepers.  I stopped in at Devil's tower
travelling on US85, I90, US14.  A ll slab, though 14 had a few nice
sweepers.  I was cheap and observed Devil's Tower from the base and didn't
pay the entrance fee.  Left Devil's Tower and arrived in Billings, MT
travelling through Moorcroft, WY on US14, I90.  US14 had a few more
sweepers and less traffic on this side.  US14 had a few miles of
construction (read gravel, but more on that later) just prior to
Moorcroft.  I90 is a boring slab, though the sign really does say
"Reasonable and Prudent" for cars in daylight as you get into Monta na. 
Left Billings on MO3, got past Acton and came to a sign that read
"Pavement Ends", with less than 1/2 tank fuel and big black clouds in the
sky, and being told that it was dirt/gravel for 9 miles, I turned tail
back to Billings (This story will repe at itself.).  Not to mention that I
was a bit leary of gravel after the ranch.  I took I-90 from Billings to
Big Timber, where I spent the night at a KOA.  Around Columbus, I-90 does
have some nice views of the neighboring mountains.  As I left Billings, I
resigned myself to not being able to make Glacier National Park.  I spent
the night camping alonside I-90 and the railroad tracks, a nice quiet
evening. 

Thursday.  Since I didn't make it to Glacier National Park, I though I'd
wander around Montana looking for scenery and mountains.  I drove on a
loop around the Crazy Mountains with a short stop in Ringling (single
saloon town).  The route was I-90, US89, MT294, US12, US191.  On the
latter part of US191, I found another 7 miles of gravel (this time with no
choice but to proceed) and I got to follow a pilot truck.  Of these roads,
MT294 was the best.  Although it was still relatively flat and straight. 
Dri ving next to the pastures, I saw the cows a-roaming...I looked twice
when I saw a herd of cows fenced in, except for the one next to the road. 
Back in Big Timber, I met a couple on a Goldwing hack travelling with
their puppy in a cage bungeed to the top box.  I picked up I-90 back to
Columbus and headed down MT78 to Red Lodge and the Beartooth Highway.  On
the way to Red Lodge, I was in/out of brief rains.  Through Red Lodge, the
Beartooth Highway climbed the Beartooth mountains (imagine that!) into
some beautiful scenery accompanied by some really fun roads.  I have to
admit that the 500' sheer cliff does take away a bit of my nerve riding
these roads.  The road surface was pretty good, except for the inside
track of the switchbacks.  At the top, (abou t 10,000') there were several
snow fields and a chairlift.  Descending down the other side into
Yellowstone, be very careful of the killer swarming mosquitos that inhabit
the mountain lakes.  This is what I came here for (the roads, not the
mosquitos), an d it was worth it!  It does get chilly at these altitudes
though.  I spent the night at a USDA campground just outside Cooke City,
MT.  At this point, I was just beginning to wear a flat spot in my tires. 

Friday.  I went down US212 into Yellowstone ($15.00 entrance fee, ouch). 
I stopped to take the requisite herd of bison photo after many photos of
mountain meadows and peaks.  The roads through the park aren't in the best
of shape, but several of them are kind of fun.  There was lots of visible
fire damage throughout the park. I did manage to see a pair of moose
alongside the road, off in the woods. The thermal areas at Yellowstone
were cool (actually, they were hot), it was funny watching so many peopl e
seating at a "stadium" waiting for Old Faithful to erupt.  In Yellowstone
I went from Tower Junction to Canyon to Norris to Madison to West Thumb
and then out to Grand Teton. Unfortunately many of the roads in
Yellowstone need to be repaved.  It seemed the forther south I got in the
park, the flatter and straighter the roads became.  After leaving
Yellowstone, the only thing really interesting about the roads in Grand
Teton was the moose grazing ~4 feet from the road edge and the ability to
see the gia nt black clouds with the fingers of rain hanging down and
approaching me.  I even took the side road through Jenny Lake and it was
still not very interesting to ride. US191 and US26 from Jackson to Alpine
had some nice sweepers and good views as it follo wed the Snake River. 
US89 was pretty boring from Alpine to Smoot, but got a little more
interesting through the Bridger-Teton National Forest.  Not much
interesting on US89 through Idaho to Garden City, WY.  At the scenic
overlook over Bear Lake I met a couple on a K100 (Greg and Cee) out for a
day trip from Salt Lake City.  US89 was very entertaining into Logan, UT
proceeding through a canyon or two.  I then took US89 to I15 to I84. 
Based on Greg's advice I took UT66 to UT65 to I80 into Park City.  Thi s
was a mistake, as it was pitch black (no moon)  by the time I got there
and UT66 and UT65 climb and descend through east canyon and 1/2 the climb
had fresh oil/loose gravel signs.  Had it been daylight without gravel,
these would have been great roads, b ut they were VERY nerve wracking at
night! I spent the night and the next day at my brother's house in Park
City and attended the Park City Art Fair. 

Sunday. From Park City I headed out I80 to US40 to US189 through Provo
Canyon.  As far as canyons go, this one was pretty straight.  I picked up
I15 to US89 to Fairview.  UT31 through the Manti-La Sal Nat. Forest was
nice as it climbed over a small pass i nto Huntington.  UT10 was pretty
boring down to I70, and I got to put back on the rainsuit.  Then I took
I70 to UT24 to UT12 (the Escalante Wilderness).  I made it through
Escalante dry.  UT12 is a very nice road with a great combination of
curves and sce nery.  Parts of the road follow a ridge through the
wilderness.  I skipped Bryce Canyon as it had already started to rain, but
did go through Red Canyon.  I met an Canadian from Alberta who was touring
on his Honda Scooter, now that's iron butt.  I also s aw a BMW with a pair
of tires hanging from the back by some bungees.  I picked up US89 to UT9
through Zion Canyon at dusk.  Zion was REALLY pretty (and a little wet). 
The park service did a great job of winding a road through the middle of
the canyon pro viding great scenery and some fun roads, including a huge
tunnel complete with a sweeper in it.  I camped at Zion that night. 

Monday.  Road back into the canyon in the morning to see what I'd
previously missed.  As I left the Canyon I heard a rubbing noise.  It
turned out to be my license plate against my rear tire.  The main supports
for my Givi bags had fractured.  Shelly, fr om the Snow Family Guest Ranch
in Virgin (1 mile away) offered to store my baggage while I went into town
(6 miles away) and got my bike fixed.  I happened upon L&S welding in La
Verkin who welded and reinforced the supports for a total of $30.00.  I
lost about 4 hours to this mishap.  The people that I met during this
mishap were wonderful and I would recommend both the B&B (ranch) or the
welding shop if they would benefit anyone.  This prevented my planned trip
to the Grand Canyon, so I headed east on U T59 to AZ359.  North on US89 to
Glen Canyon Dam through Kanab.  The dam was rather impressive, the roads;
however, were pretty boring.  Then it was AZ98 to US160 to US163 to US191
through the Navajo Reservation in the rain.  This was fine, except for the
two washouts that had 2" of very fine silt that were slicker than an oil
spill.  It was cool driving through the desert in the rain though.  I made
it through Mexican Hat and monument valley in the rain and dusk and camped
at the Cadillac Ranch in Bluff, UT (A nice campground with an even nicer
proprieter).  I was told the there was ~12 miles dirt/gravel road between
White Mesa and Blanding on US191. 

Tuesday.  I rode up to the construction and started on it, about 1/4 mile
was OK: hardpack dirt/gravel.  Then it got VERY soft (from the rain
partially) and I decided that it wasn't worth it and I'd miss Arches
National Park.  I turned around and took UT2 62 to Montezuma's Creek.  I
got a little lost at a Texaco plant but a local pointed me in the right
direction (I don't know what roads I took, but I did manage to spook a few
horses who were grazing at the roadside.).  I ended up on US160, which I
took to 4 corners.  I did the tourist thing here and then headed into
Colorado (Thankfully, away from the desert!).  From Cortez, CO, I took
US666 up to CO184 and the CO145.  Nothing interesting, but I couldn't
resist riding the Devil's Highway.  CO145 was a nic e road, basically just
woods with a few sweepers as it followed the Dolores River.  It got a
little a more interesting near Lizard Pass (10,222'), and I also put on
the rainsuit there.  I stopped off at the Mountain Village of Telluride
and to take the fr ee tram ride to the top of the mountain.  I couldn't
see anything through the fog and clouds.  As I was coming down, it
naturally started clearing.  I then rode into the town of Telluride.  A
very pretty town.  AS you drive down the main street you have a view of
the small waterfall behind the town.  I spent the night at Telluride, in
the campground at the end of town.  I set up the tent about 10' from a
brook (with about a 2" clearance over it's banks), then I hoped that it
didn't rain.  I had a short conversation with another fellow who has some
BMWs and Ducatis in his stable (This trip he had the minivan and 2 kids.). 

Wednesday.  I left Telluride heading west on CO145 to CO62 and then onto
the million dollar highway.  These were nice roads, but nothing
spectacular.  Heading south on 550 to Ouray and then Silverton provided
some great views and marked 10mph twisties.  I t was a really nice road,
but not the nicest that I've ever been on.  US550 flattened a bit after
passing Purgatory, so then it was into Durango and East on US160. 
Basically meadows and pastures until I got to Pagosa Springs where the
road climbed to Wol f Creek Pass (where again, I began the daily ritual of
putting on the rainsuit.).  US160 was pretty fun until I got to South Fork
and headed north on CO149.  Although CO149 followed the Rio Grande it
wasn't too interesting until I got near Slumgullion Pas s, but the rain
ruined it for me.  I stopped in at Lake City where I joined a group of
BMW/Concourses from Alabama for a cup of coffee.  After hanging around
there for an hour I took CO149 north along the Lake Fork River.  This was
a really nice stretch o f road, too bad it was raining.  Then west on US50
and north on CO92 I passed the Curecanti Resevoir.  CO92 was great around
the Black Canyon, lots of twisties, most of them not on precipices.  If it
was dry, this could have been the most fun to drive (th e scenery was OK
too).  I then picked up CO133 and spent the night in Somerset, CO. 

Thursday.  I left Somerset and climbed McClure Pass on CO133 right into a
cloud.  The road between Somerset and McClure was fun, too bad I needed to
warm up the tires.  One I got up to the pass it was much thicker than pea
soup, though in retrospect there could have been some fun curves around
the pass, I just couldn't see them.  I turned right onto CO82 at
Carbondale to head over to Independence Pass.  The only traffic jam I hit
on the whole trip was into Aspen.  Primarily caused by Aspen's stoplights,
b ut the road construction west of Aspen didn't help any.  The road up to
the pass was full of twisties and I was able to break free from traffic
for a short while.  Once on top of the pass (12,095') the view was nice,
but not as nice as I'd hoped.  Coming down the pass into Twin Lakes were
also some good curves.  Overall though, I'd have to admit that I was
disappointed in Independence Pass, both the views going up and at the top,
as well as the fun factor of the roads.  The Beartooth Highway was much
more spectacular.  I picked up US24 into Leadville; a touristy, period
mining town.  I lunched at the Columbine Cafe, who had some of the best
red chile I've had in quite a while (you have to like spicy, though).  I
came out of Leadville and picked up CO91.  Unfortunately, there was quite
a bit of construction here that had me waiting for a while.  Were it not
for the construction, this was an OK little stretch of road.  I am sad to
admit it, but I did pick up I70 at Frisco for several miles, but it was
only to get to US40 and Berthoud Pass.  US40 was a lot of fun as it wound
its way up to Winter Park and the pass.  From Winter Park to Granby, there
was not much to be seen (except rain clouds).  From Granby I picked up
US34 (Trailridge Drive) into Rocky Moun tain National Park.  A little slow
to start, it got to be fun as I climbed into the mountains.  My timing was
perfect, once I got into the park, the rain stopped.  By the time I came
down the other side, the rain had already passed there.  The scenery at op
US34 was excellent, though much of the hiking areas were roped off for
revegetation.  I again found a cloud atop the mountains and had difficulty
seeing through it.  My one mistake was to follow the septic tank truck
down the mountain.  After a few mil es, I pulled over to let him get far
ahead of me (both for the smell and the twisties).  At Estes Park I took
CO7 and CO72 to CO119 south.  These roads, although lacking a little in
the scenery, were great fun to ride.  There were devoid of much traffic a
nd had some excellent curves.  Though there were few 15mph hairpins, there
was no shortage of marked 20-35 mph turns.  Unfortunately, near
Rollinsville I came across another "Fresh Oil, Loose Gravel" sign.  I
spent the night near Rollinsville in a USDA ca mpground.  I also passed a
few locals riding sportbikes on this road, so it must be some sort of
local secret :-). 

Friday.  I couldn't wait to wake up and find the rest of the loose
gravel/fresh oil!  It ended after a few miles and I picked up CO119 south. 
More great road here (except for the construction truck I got behind). 
This road passes through Black Hawk and goes through several tunnels
before reaching I70.  Though I didn't stop, Black Hawk seemed like a good
place to grab a bite to eat.  At this point, I picked up I70 to begin my
journey home.  There is nothing to say about 70 (it had some great 55mph
marked hairpins.).  Except for the one sign that said "If this light is
blinking you are still going too fast."  I don't know if they had radar or
it just blinked all the time!  The western 1/2 of Kansas was spent
fighting a southerly wind with the bike in a pe rmanent lean. 
Fortunately, some hills grow up in the eastern 1/2 to block the wind.  I
stopped in at a Kawasaki dealer (who had a billboard) for a brief respite. 
The dealer had more engine blocks on display/sale that bikes for sale.  I
made it out to Ka nsas City, MO this night.  After following a camping
sign into the seedy part of town (behind the liquor store in what could
have been the red light district), I thought better and continued out I70
to the Campers Inn of K.C. 

Saturday.  I left Kansas City on time (about 0800) and was only scheduled
to make it to Morehead, KY for the day.  When I got to St. Louis, I spent
about a 1/2 hour looking for a good vantage point to photograph the bike
in front of the arch.  My search p roved fruitless.  I picked up I-64 out
of St. Louis to Lexington, VA.  I didn't feel too tired as I passed
through Morehead.  As I skirted the northern edge of the Ozarks, I get a
little bit of interesting scenery (it was beautiful compared to the
cornfie lds on the northern route!).  Between Charleston, WV and Beckley,
WV I followed the WV turnpike.  Although this was a slab (and it was about
midnight), it was the most fun slab of the trip.  It was strewn with
curves that permitted me to actually put the bike into a lean at 55.  The
only caveat was the constant vigilance for deer.  Apparantly one wasn't so
lucky shortly before I arrived at a certain stretch of road.  By this
point, I was ready to find a campsite at the 1st hint of
sleepiness/tiredness.  I got my second wind somewhere on I-81, which I
took to I-66 and then north on I-495.  I arrived back in Potomac at 0530
Sunday morning.  According to Mapquest, I covered somewhere between 1,050
and 1,100 miles on this leg of the trip.  Unfortunately, I ne glected to
prepare my certification for Iron Butt purposes, but I know I did it! 

-Mb

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Since I've bought a new truck, my old truck is for sale.  First of all-
this truck is not pretty.  It has rust, and a spotty rustoleum paintjob.
Beyond that- here's the description:

1979 Datsun 620 Heavy Duty, Long Bed, Pick Up Truck
2 wheel drive
2.0L engine, runs well 
4 Speed manual transmission
~10K miles on its Michelin Radials.
7.5 ft. bed
16 gallon gas tank
Power Brakes
Just replaced fuel pump (July '97)
Head overhauled about 15K miles ago, strong compression in all
  4 cylinders
AM radio

As I said above, I must re-iterate: this is not a pretty truck.  It 
runs great.  It is a perfect truck for hauling motorcycles, and it has
done plenty of that in the time I have had it.  With the 7.5 foot bed
you can haul most motorcycles with the tailgate up.  What fits?
I've fit Hawk GTs, an XL350, even 2 Water Buffalos at the same time. 
The bed is not very high so loading is easy.

I bought a new truck because I needed more room inside the vehicle.

Price: $850 (or best *reasonable* offer)

The truck is located in College Park, MD.  For any other information, you 
can call me at 301-394-4881 (day) or 301-513-9759 (weekend/evenings).

 

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First of all, that was a real interesting ride, Morris.  Thanks for sharing.

I have a question for all of you.  Is it worth 450-500 dollars to get the
warranty on your bike extended for 3 or 4 years?  It doesn't cover anything
that wears.  Nor does it cover towing.  I'm thinking the only thing it
covers is if something that isn't supposed to break, does.

Thanks,
	Mitch

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    Hmmm,
    Well nothing ever broke on my Suzuki, but I am glad that my
    BMW has an extended warranty. It has alrady consumed 4 fans
    and one radiator.

    Dave
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From:    Mitch <mrubinst@XXXXXX> at ddn
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First of all, that was a real interesting ride, Morris.  Thanks for sharing.

I have a question for all of you.  Is it worth 450-500 dollars to get the
warranty on your bike extended for 3 or 4 years?  It doesn't cover anything
that wears.  Nor does it cover towing.  I'm thinking the only thing it
covers is if something that isn't supposed to break, does.

Thanks,
    Mitch

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That's funny.  I get paranoid about liquid cooled bikes, thinking
it's just one more component to break down, and all anyone 
ever tells me is "nah, they improve the bike's reliability."

I will probably stay with air-cooled bikes until I melt one down.

Horkster

`The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1982 Yamaha Virago 750  (For Sale - Cheap!)


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    Hmmm,
    Well nothing ever broke on my Suzuki, but I am glad that my
    BMW has an extended warranty. It has alrady consumed 4 fans
    and one radiator.

    Dave
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Subject: Question...
From:    Mitch <mrubinst@XXXXXX> at ddn
Date:    18/8/1997  9:10 AM

First of all, that was a real interesting ride, Morris.  Thanks for sharing.

I have a question for all of you.  Is it worth 450-500 dollars to get the
warranty on your bike extended for 3 or 4 years?  It doesn't cover anything
that wears.  Nor does it cover towing.  I'm thinking the only thing it
covers is if something that isn't supposed to break, does.

Thanks,
    Mitch


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Did anyone catch the Vintage Motorcycle Show this weekend at the White Rose
Motorcycle Club in Jefferson, PA?  I wanted to ride up and camp out all weekend,
but work interfered.  I ended up caging it up with the family on Sunday.  I saw some
really nice restored (and ratty) old bikes up there, and was able to scrounge 3 really
hard to find parts for my LTD at the swap meet! (yaaaay!!!)  Bob Shue (I think) not
only had the parts I was looking for, he had an absolutely stunning '74 Z1 Kawasaki
900 entered in the show.  This bike was PERFECT!  If nothing else, seeing this
one bike would make the whole trip worthwhile IMHO.  He also had a black 78 LTD very
similar to mine that he just sold (I saw the proud new owner putting around on it on Sunday.)
 I hope Bob's Z1 won something, but I wasn't able to hang around to find out. (darnit!)  

I can't wait for this show to come around again next year.

Are there any other Shows/Swap Meets in the VA-MD-PA area?  This one was my
first, and it was really fun!  It's also the only one I've ever heard about?  Anybody
know of others?

Horkster

`The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1982 Yamaha Virago 750  (For Sale - Cheap!)

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That's funny.  I get paranoid about liquid cooled bikes, thinking
it's just one more component to break down, and all anyone 
ever tells me is "nah, they improve the bike's reliability."

I will probably stay with air-cooled bikes until I melt one down.

Horkster

    The engine tolerances are certainly different between air and water
    cooled bikes, and water cooled motors do last longer. This
    bike has a preoblemm with its radiator motors. Despite 
    overheating (steam jetting out of the fairing in traffic)
    the bike still got me home after I watered it again. It
    operated despite the loss of both fans (one was seized up)
    and I was able to get home from NYC. I just needed to be
    going fast enough to keep air going through the radiators,
    which still functioned due to the mechanical water pump.

    I was told that I had an unusual problem, bike wise that is.

    Dave

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Well, best of luck to you.  I hope you get the
fan motors problem ironed out.  Sick bikes are no fun.
Speaking of sick bikes, wanna buy a Virago? :-)

Horkster

`The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1982 Yamaha Virago 750  (For Sale - Cheap!)



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That's funny.  I get paranoid about liquid cooled bikes, thinking
it's just one more component to break down, and all anyone 
ever tells me is "nah, they improve the bike's reliability."

I will probably stay with air-cooled bikes until I melt one down.

Horkster

    The engine tolerances are certainly different between air and water
    cooled bikes, and water cooled motors do last longer. This
    bike has a preoblemm with its radiator motors. Despite 
    overheating (steam jetting out of the fairing in traffic)
    the bike still got me home after I watered it again. It
    operated despite the loss of both fans (one was seized up)
    and I was able to get home from NYC. I just needed to be
    going fast enough to keep air going through the radiators,
    which still functioned due to the mechanical water pump.

    I was told that I had an unusual problem, bike wise that is.

    Dave


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Dave Choat wrote:

> It operated despite the loss of both fans (one was seized up)
>     and I was able to get home from NYC. I just needed to be
>     going fast enough to keep air going through the radiators,
>     which still functioned due to the mechanical water pump.
>
>     I was told that I had an unusual problem, bike wise that is.

My EX250 is also water-cooled.  One of the problems I noticed with it is
that the electric fan doesn't work.  The  last time I had the bodywork
off, I checked the wiring and discovered a wire that was unplugged.
Plugging it in didn't fix it.  As long as I keep moving more than about
20mph or shut the engine off in stop-and-go traffic it doesn't
overheat.  It isn't worth taking the bodywork off the bike just to fix
that problem. I'll probably fix it someday, maybe, unless I don't have
time.

Do you suppose that an overheating bike is a valid reason to split
lanes?

Leon.


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>----------
>From: 	Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX]
>Sent: 	Monday, August 18, 1997 2:48 PM
>To: 	Dave Choat
>Cc: 	dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: 	Re: Question...
>
>Dave Choat wrote:
>
>> It operated despite the loss of both fans (one was seized up)
>>     and I was able to get home from NYC. I just needed to be
>>     going fast enough to keep air going through the radiators,
>>     which still functioned due to the mechanical water pump.
>>
>>     I was told that I had an unusual problem, bike wise that is.
>
>My EX250 is also water-cooled.  One of the problems I noticed with it is
>that the electric fan doesn't work.  The  last time I had the bodywork
>off, I checked the wiring and discovered a wire that was unplugged.
>Plugging it in didn't fix it.  As long as I keep moving more than about
>20mph or shut the engine off in stop-and-go traffic it doesn't
>overheat.  It isn't worth taking the bodywork off the bike just to fix
>that problem. I'll probably fix it someday, maybe, unless I don't have
>time.
>
>Do you suppose that an overheating bike is a valid reason to split
>lanes?
>

I have been frustrated enough in traffic on 66 that I have taken to the
shoulder, and was willing to accept a ticket to avoid overheating the
bike.  That was just until I could get off at the next exit, though.
Even if I had stopped to cool the bike off, it would have heated up
again before I could get through traffic.

Is it valid? *I* think so.  But I guess it would depend on the Police
Officer that stops you.  I bet you could get away with it if you were on
the shoulder, and traveling at a "safe, reasonable" speed to just get to
the nearest exit.   If you were splitting lanes, however, I don't think
you would be looked upon as favorably.  Driving on the shoulder could
indicate an emergency, whereas spliting lanes would probably be viewed
as cheating your way through traffic. 

Worst part though, is the BDCs that pull over onto the shoulder to try
and stop you as they see you come up in the rear view.  No one ever
thinks it could actually be an emergency ... they just don't want to let
anyone get *ahead* of them.  Amazing.

IMHO, YMMV, blah, blah,
chris
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The one-and-only-Leon Begeman asked:

>>Do you suppose that an overheating bike is a valid reason to split
>>lanes?

It's only valid if you don't have a radiator!  :-)

Seriously though, I have read posts before about this.  One biker was filtering
along the shoulder during a particularly nasty traffic snarl here in the area.  He saw
a police cruiser stuck in the traffic up ahead, and noticed that the officer inside was
watching him through the mirrors as he moved along.  The rider stopped next to the
police cruiser, pointed to his engine, and making a fanning motion with his hand.  The
cop was nice enough to wave him on.

It should be noted that he was on the shoulder, not splitting lanes.  I think lane splitting
is FAR too dangerous for ANY biker, simply because stupid cagers don't expect 
something to come whizzing past them in traffic, BETWEEN the lines of cars.  Some
cagers are prone to open doors in stopped traffic, either to get out and "have a look up ahead", (OK,
I've been guilty of this before, I admit it), or to empty the ashtray, or even intentionally if
they actually look in the mirrors and see you coming.

The shoulder is reserved for emergency vehicles in traffic situations, but I figure if my
bike overheats and locks up, I'm pushing it over to the shoulder anyway.  If an ambulance
does come along, I can get out of the way a whole lot faster than any cage can.  I wouldn't do 
this for miles of travel, but would get off at the next exit to find a better route, or have a cold
drink, or something.  I guess I'd risk a ticket to avoid damaging my ride.

Horkster

`The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1982 Yamaha Virago 750  (For Sale - Cheap!)





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>Worst part though, is the BDCs that pull over onto the shoulder to try
>and stop you as they see you come up in the rear view.  No one ever
>thinks it could actually be an emergency ... they just don't want to let
>anyone get *ahead* of them.  Amazing.

What's a BDC? Excuse my ignorance.

M.P. Tolocka
1990 CB-1
AMA#608333
_Keep the shiny side up._


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Horkster wrote:

>  I think lane splitting
> is FAR too dangerous for ANY biker, simply because stupid cagers don't
> expect
> something to come whizzing past them in traffic, BETWEEN the lines of
> cars.

I agree.  I've had good luck splitting lanes but I NEVER come 'whizzing'
past them in traffic.  They've got plenty of time to see me coming.Lane
splitting is a slow speed operation,  10-15 mph IMO.

Leon.


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Brain Dead Cager.

Translation ... a unaware, potentially stupid car driver.  

Later,
chris
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>----------
>From: 	M.P. Tolocka[SMTP:mpt@XXXXXX]
>Sent: 	Monday, August 18, 1997 3:56 PM
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>
>
>>Worst part though, is the BDCs that pull over onto the shoulder to try
>>and stop you as they see you come up in the rear view.  No one ever
>>thinks it could actually be an emergency ... they just don't want to let
>>anyone get *ahead* of them.  Amazing.
>
>What's a BDC? Excuse my ignorance.
>
>M.P. Tolocka
>1990 CB-1
>AMA#608333
>_Keep the shiny side up._
>

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M.P., 

BDC stands for Brain Dead Cager - a description of the malaise that affects most
people once they get in a 4 wheeled vehicle and close the door.  Such afflicted
 individuals become oblivious to such things as:  traffic lights, stop signs, speed 
limits, pedestrians, rear view mirrors, other vehicles smaller than themselves, the 
horns of motorcycles, the lights of motorcycles, the sounds of motorcycles, hell, 
the knowledge that motorcycles even exist.  They are distracted by radio knobs,
idiot lights, cigarettes, food, drinks, cell phones, make-up, newspapers, noisy 
kids in back seats, good-looking passengers sitting cross-legged in the seat next 
to them, etc.

The only known cure for this dreaded disease is to get on a motorcycle and ride
around in traffic for a while with other BDC's.  The sudden realization that
one is just a small moving, nearly invisible target for these 4-wheeled monstrosities 
usually will provoke an awareness and a change in driving style.  Until such time
as all BDC's are found and eradicated, motorcycling remains an entirely perilous,
albeit still fun mode of transportation.  Hope I answered your question!  

Ride Safe!
Horkster

`The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1982 Yamaha Virago 750  (For Sale - Cheap!)


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>Worst part though, is the BDCs that pull over onto the shoulder to try
>and stop you as they see you come up in the rear view.  No one ever
>thinks it could actually be an emergency ... they just don't want to let
>anyone get *ahead* of them.  Amazing.

What's a BDC? Excuse my ignorance.

M.P. Tolocka
1990 CB-1
AMA#608333
_Keep the shiny side up._



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Just wanted to share my insurance experience:

Had cycle insurance out of PA (Universal Underwriters). I noticed that my
insurance had gone up about $100 bucks this year...no changes made. So I called
Geico (Ya...I know..some of you called it the evil empire) but they cut my
insurance in half! Not bad. Also, I tried calling my old insurance company to
ask them what the deal was and they are only open from 9-1pm....that's useful!

skip

'87 Suzuki GS450

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dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX (The Horkster) writes:
> Did anyone catch the Vintage Motorcycle Show this weekend at the White
Rose
> Motorcycle Club in Jefferson, PA?  I wanted to ride up and camp out all
weekend,
> but work interfered.  I ended up caging it up with the family on Sunday.

Sounds like my story.  I was going to go Fri/Sat/Sun but got stuck working
Fri/Sat
(was _supposed_ to be off both days).  Sunday was something of a letdown,
as a
*lot* of the vendors had packed up and left Saturday night (too friggin'
hot!).  I still
managed to score parts for three of my restoration projects, including a
*very* nice
spare radiatior for my Suzuki RE5 rotary project.  You don't often see
rotary parts
around, and coming at the end of the swap meet has its advantages (Sunday
prices).
I *was* going to enter my finished RE5 in the show but didn't have time to
detail it. :-( 

> Are there any other Shows/Swap Meets in the VA-MD-PA area?  This one was
my
> first, and it was really fun!  It's also the only one I've ever heard
about?  Anybody
> know of others?

Will Stoner sponsors quite a few swap meets, mostly in Ohio.  This past
spring they
had one at the York (PA) County Fairgrounds.  Got some real good stuff
there also,
including an NOS gastank for my '82 CBX and a decent '79 CBX project bike. 
Both
the Will Stoner and White Rose meets were advertized in "Motorcycle Times",
a free
magazine that can be found at many motorcycle shops.

Mr. Bill

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Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote:

  > For Sale -
  > 
  > 1995 Honda Nighthawk 750 CC...Got married, bought house, no time to 
  > ride it. 

You will regret it.  ...selling the bike that is...

-- WWW

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Greetings all! I'm having some difficulties with my bike shutting off or
just idling barely enough to keep it going. This occurs when I am coming
to a stop at a light. I depress the clutch and roll off the throttle and
start braking, and by the time I come to a stop the idle is really low
and the bike just shuts off. I have tried adjusting the idle adjustment
knob but this has not helped much. Any ideas on what might be causing
this would be a big help. If it matters I ride a 93 Katana 750.

Khafre

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Congratulations on completing your trip safely.  A friend of mine left from
Fredrick (sp?), MD on August 2 with the expectation of riding to the Golden
Gate Bridge and back.  I know he made it through several parks along the way
(Badlands, Black Hills, Milwaukee Harley tour) then lost it on his twelth day
out after just completing Arches National Park.  

Currently he's in a hospital in Grand Junction, Colorado.  (The accident
happened on Route 313 outside of Moab, Utah and they air lifted him there).
 He suffered a concussion, broken wrist, broken arm, contusions, scrapes and
at least one (and maybe 3) broken vertebrae.  The good news is there is no
paralysis or neurological damag.  Between the pain pills and the shock of
wrecking his bike, he can't recall what happened.  Any body know of a way to
check the newspapers in or around Moab for the 14th or 15th of August?  (The
accident occurred on the 12th).

Considering what he's been through, he sounds great!  But, he doesn't want to
leave Grand Junction until he's sure he's got his bike on it's way back.
 (What's left of it, that is).  Anyone know of a reputable shipping firm that
can get it from a gas station in Moab to a shop in Mt Airy (sp?).  The
information would be greatly appreciated.

Lisa V. 

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Somebody said they thought riding in the shoulder is safer than lane
splitting.  Did you know that in California, where lane splitting is legal,
splitters must have traffic lanes on both sides?  No riding between cars and
shoulder, or in the shoulder.  My thought is cagers expect traffic where
traffic belongs, in traffic lanes.   If you split, at least you are near the
traffic lane.  If you ride between cars and the shoulder, they will not
expect you, as traffic doesn't belong over there.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Kevin

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I had the same problem this morning.  I attribute it to not taking the
ride out for two weeks and a battery that has been around for a while.

A lousy charged battery combined with a poor running/poorly tuned engine
can easily contribute to this problem.  As long as the revs were high, she
kept running.  Drop to 1000 rpm, then blat-dead.

A more then healthy charge, synced carbs and a clean filter should help
things breath and run nicely.  Should all this be in order, time to look
elsewhere for things you may not want to trouble shoot, and require the
Saturday afternoon complete tune-up rebuild.

I stopped running the beemer a month ago cause I KNEW I was way past due
on tune up.  it gurgled and did not want to run without those extra RPMs.
Bike?  No, lazy me!  Need to give it the love, feeding and attention it
demands.  Now the racer if feeling the same ill.  will probably leave me
stranded, which is what I deserve....

-pierre


On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 khafre@XXXXXX wrote:

> Greetings all! I'm having some difficulties with my bike shutting off or
> just idling barely enough to keep it going. This occurs when I am coming
> to a stop at a light. I depress the clutch and roll off the throttle and
> start braking, and by the time I come to a stop the idle is really low
> and the bike just shuts off. I have tried adjusting the idle adjustment
> knob but this has not helped much. Any ideas on what might be causing
> this would be a big help. If it matters I ride a 93 Katana 750.
> 
> Khafre
> 


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>That's funny.  I get paranoid about liquid cooled bikes, thinking
>it's just one more component to break down, and all anyone 
>ever tells me is "nah, they improve the bike's reliability."

When I bought my first of a string of Honda CB750F's, back in 1985, I was
dismayed to notice that it didn't have a kick-starter.  My brothers CB750K
had a kick-starter, and while it wasn't fun to use, it was a nice backup.

Then I remembered something my parents told me some time ago.  Their first
car was a 1947 Volkswagen beetle a sailor had brought over after the war.
The car had mechanical (cable) brakes that had to be adjusted every day or
two.  The car also had a starting crank sticking out of the back of the
engine.  On a cold day you'd use the crank to start the engine, to save the
poor 6-volt electrical system.

Their next car was a new 1952 Volkswagen, which cost about a dollar a
pound.  Cheaper than meat, my Mom figured, so it felt like a good deal.
Well, this car didn't have a starting crank, and they almost didn't buy it
because of that.


I think air-cooled engines will go the way of the starter crank -- it has
some advantages, but it's nicer to have a vehicle that doesn't need it.

Chris Norloff





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> I think lane splitting
>is FAR too dangerous for ANY biker, simply because stupid cagers don't
expect 
>something to come whizzing past them in traffic, BETWEEN the lines of
cars.  Some
>cagers are prone to open doors in stopped traffic, either to get out and
"have a look up ahead", (OK,
>I've been guilty of this before, I admit it), or to empty the ashtray, or
even intentionally if
>they actually look in the mirrors and see you coming.

An important point about lane-splitting to to NEVER go "whizzing" past the
cars.  Operate at a reasonable and prudent speed that will allow you to
stop for opened doors, cars moving over, etc.  

Lane-splitting, in my view, should not be used as a way to go faster than
the cars.  Lane-splitting should be used as a way to get through traffic
when car drivers have gridlocked themselves again.

One of the tactics California riders use (according to the motorcycle mags
anyway) is to go between cars, because car drivers are used to staying
clear of cars.  If there's two cars side-by-side, you can go between them
because they are not likely to make a lane change with nowhere to go.  If
you ride the white line past a car all by itself in one lane, it could be
trouble if he decides to change lanes as you get near.

Chris Norloff





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I have had idle problems but not as bad, It happened when I would run my
tank almost dry and let it sit for a few days or even overnight with little
gas in the tank. With the humidty high and all the heat Water would get in
the gas , maybe try some dry gas and fill er up with some 93 octane and run
that tank out and refill again. Just an idea and if it doesn't fix it just
look at the bright side you just put some riding  time in, try an get a
friend to go with just in case the bike quits if it seems like it's a major
problem and stay away from heavy traffic areas. Good Luck and have fun

Choose your weapon...............
RF600R
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Greetings all! I'm having some difficulties with my bike shutting off or
just idling barely enough to keep it going. This occurs when I am coming
to a stop at a light. I depress the clutch and roll off the throttle and
start braking, and by the time I come to a stop the idle is really low
and the bike just shuts off. I have tried adjusting the idle adjustment
knob but this has not helped much. Any ideas on what might be causing
this would be a big help. If it matters I ride a 93 Katana 750.

Khafre



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I once witnessed a motorcyclist driving the shoulder down 270 in heavy
traffic he was moving at about 35-40 mph and traffic was at a pace of
20mph. I don't know his reason but he stayed out there a little to long
cause a cop followed him , and I think he would have been alright if he
would have gotten off at the next exit but he continued past three and he
was pulled over and appeared that he was going to get a ticket out of it.
So IMHO I would drive the shoulder but only to get out of traffic and if it
was an emergency and over heating would be one of those times.

Choose your weapon...............
RF600R
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Chris Norloff wrote:

  > I think air-cooled engines will go the way of the starter crank -- it
  > has some advantages, but it's nicer to have a vehicle that doesn't 
  > need it.

What I am curious about is why we haven't seen "radiator" fans mounted on oil
coolers.  Oil as a cooling medium has been around for a while, but why not go
the extra step of *really* cooling the oil via a fan?  You certainly don't
want it to get *too* cold, though, I'm sure.

With tightening emissions and noise requirements, I believe the air-cooled
engine's days are numbered.  Carbs will probably disappear in time, too.

-- WWW

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>Chris Norloff wrote:
>
>  > I think air-cooled engines will go the way of the starter crank -- it
>  > has some advantages, but it's nicer to have a vehicle that doesn't
>  > need it.
>
>What I am curious about is why we haven't seen "radiator" fans mounted on oil
>coolers.  Oil as a cooling medium has been around for a while, but why not go
>the extra step of *really* cooling the oil via a fan?  You certainly don't
>want it to get *too* cold, though, I'm sure.
>
>With tightening emissions and noise requirements, I believe the air-cooled
>engine's days are numbered.  Carbs will probably disappear in time, too.
>
>-- WWW

An interesting note on radiators: I was at a local shop that sponsors
racers, and I saw the Dutchman Racing FZR1000 strapped to the dyno.  I was
oggling it and noticed that it has a custom radiator.  Not just custom - a
freaking work of art.

All aluminum, 3 row, and it filled the *entire* mouth of the fairing.  The
top portion was a standard rectangular rad, but there was an additional
triangular rad attached at the bottom via a 'header' so that the top
portion had top to bottom flow, was collected in the middle and flowed down
one side of the triangluar section, left to right, winding up at the bottom
point.

By my estimate, this rad had enough surface area to accomodate a stock 5.0
Mustang engines' cooling needs.

Oh, did I mention that the whole thing was curved?

Al
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Here is the basic argument I have heard from car-only driving friends
and acquantances:  "The lane is my lane while I occupy it.  You would
not appreciate if I were to trespass your lane while you occupy it."

I agree with this argument only if traffic is moving.  My rebuttal
is based on the fact that there is gridlock: "Your lane is more than
large enough for half my motorcycle.  Your lane combined with the lane
of your neighbor is absolutely large enough to accommodate my motorcycle.
To ease gridlock, avoid overheating, remove myself from an unhealthy
situation, and illustrate why cars suck I will exploit this space and
move forward."

I usually get threatened at this point with opened doors, pulling in
closer, throwing things from cars, etc..  

It is not legal to lane split in the Washington DC metro area.  But
I don't give a shit about that when I'm breathing fumes from a kadjillion
cars all with a single occupant.  Let 'em be pissed.  And let me be
safe about it.  Travelling any faster than 10mph while splitting lanes
is _very_ dangerous, and once you get to a point where grid-lock has
abated, move into and occupy a lane.  Oh yeah, watch for cops ;^)

My experience, and .02

Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
+---------------------------+---------------+


> I think lane splitting
>is FAR too dangerous for ANY biker, simply because stupid cagers don't
expect 
>something to come whizzing past them in traffic, BETWEEN the lines of
cars.  Some
>cagers are prone to open doors in stopped traffic, either to get out and
"have a look up ahead", (OK,
>I've been guilty of this before, I admit it), or to empty the ashtray, or
even intentionally if
>they actually look in the mirrors and see you coming.


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Steve Beck@ISI
08/19/97 02:21 PM

Ok all you folks who wait to the last minute to plan their weekend.  This
Saturday Aug. 23 I will be riding up to the AMA Grand National 1/2 mile
flat track race at the Hagerstown Speedway in Hagerstown Maryland.  This is
a great race. Give it a try. You won't be disappointed.

This is a night race which starts at 8 pm and usually lasts until about
11:00 pm.  I will be leaving Saturday afternoon in order to get to the
track by 6 pm, which is the time that practice starts.  I will be riding
home when the race is over by way of interstate 70 and 270 south through
Maryland.

Please let me know if you are interested.  If I get more than 1 or 2 people
interested then I will go ahead and plan on meeting at the Silver Diner,
otherwise we can just meet at mutually convenient spot.

You can email me back or feel free to call at the following numbers.  Work
- 703-208-5671
Home - 703-941-9264.

I hope to hear from some of you.  And stay tuned for an announcement for a
weekend motorcycle event/camping trip the following weekend (Labor Day).

Later folks,
Steve Beck



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At 10:09 AM 8/19/97 -0400, Warren W. Weiss wrote:
>Chris Norloff wrote:
>
>  > I think air-cooled engines will go the way of the starter crank -- it
>  > has some advantages, but it's nicer to have a vehicle that doesn't 
>  > need it.
>
>What I am curious about is why we haven't seen "radiator" fans mounted on oil
>coolers.  Oil as a cooling medium has been around for a while, but why not go
>the extra step of *really* cooling the oil via a fan?  You certainly don't
>want it to get *too* cold, though, I'm sure.

I think that's a great idea.  I've thought of adding one to my add-on oil
cooler to give me a little more protection on hot days and in slow traffic.
 The cooler has a thermostat inline, that opens up only when the oil needs
cooling.  But a thermostatically-controlled fan on the cooler would seem to
be a good idea.

That said, I don't have a temperature gauge on my bike, so I don't really
know how hot this one gets.

>With tightening emissions and noise requirements, I believe the air-cooled
>engine's days are numbered.  Carbs will probably disappear in time, too.

I agree.

Chris Norloff





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>Here is the basic argument I have heard from car-only driving friends
>and acquantances:  "The lane is my lane while I occupy it.  You would
>not appreciate if I were to trespass your lane while you occupy it."

And those same car drivers are probably the ones who DO violate my lane
space, once or twice a month typically.  

Some people just become animals when you strap them inside a 3,000 lb. cage.

:-)
Chris Norloff





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Steve Beck@ISI
08/19/97 02:56 PM

Ok all you riders who still have not made Labor Day weekend plans.

Rawlings Dirt Drag Inc. is hosting their final race of the season.

Fri. Aug 29  Opens 6pm for Camping
Sat Aug 30  Open all day, Races 6:30 pm
Sun. Aug 31 Apen all day, Races 1:30 pm
Mon Sep. 1  Rain date, Races 1:30 pm

If you don't already know, dirt drags are the same as 1/4 mile drag racing.
Except it's done on a dirt track instead of an asphalt track.  And it's not
strictly for dirt bikes.  Picture any fast bike you can imagine.  Now put a
knobby tire on it, and lets go racing.  You haven't seen crazy until you
see some of these guys tear down this somewhat dimly lit track, in the
middle of the night, at full bore.

There has been some interest in a weekend campout in the group and this is
the perfect event to combine motorcycle riding, racing and camping all in
one.

The race track is surrounded by large grassy fields on both sides which are
bordered by trees and mountains.  It makes for a great camping area.

So far I have interest from one other CAMS member.  Please let me know if
you are interested by email or call me at the following numbers:  Work -
703-208-5671            Home - 703-941-9264
If enough people are interested, we will plan on meeting at the Silver
Diner to start the ride, otherwise we can just meet at any mutually
convenient spot.

I hope to hear from some of you.

Later all,  Steve Beck




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>---------
>From: 	Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, August 19, 1997 2:35 PM
>To: 	dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: 	RE: Question...
>
>>Here is the basic argument I have heard from car-only driving friends
>>and acquantances:  "The lane is my lane while I occupy it.  You would
>>not appreciate if I were to trespass your lane while you occupy it."
>
>And those same car drivers are probably the ones who DO violate my lane
>space, once or twice a month typically.  

OR ... maybe they are the ones that violate our HOV space!  Funny how
they get pissed at a lane split, but have no prob with themselves
jumping in the left HOV lane to make a "quick" pass.

Later,
chris
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     Hey Bill, Ron O'Day here. I am trying to sell the bike I currently 
own 
     so that I can replace it with another one. I placed an ad in the 
post 
     2 different weekends.  Three people have come out to see it but no 
     committments thus far. The sooner I sell this thing, the better. 
Dave 
     said you might be able to help. The ad goes something like this:
     
     Suzuki- '92 DR650S. Dual Sport. 1,100 miles. Pirelli MT21 tires. 2 
     Helmets. $2,500 negotiable. Call (202)337-0367.
     



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I just bought "The Horkster"'s 1982 750 Virago.  A couple of questions:

1.  It has the generic Virago starter problem.  Does anyone know what a 
GOOD fix is (or where to find out)?  Dale tried to repair it, but without 
success.

2.  I'll be pulling the carbs; are there any suggested jetting changes 
from stock?

3.  The bike could use some cosmetic help (well, so could I)---anyone got a 
parts bike with good-looking black tank?

4. Other upgrade suggestions?

Thanks!

--garcia

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From: Tom Knapik <knapik@XXXXXX>
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Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs?  Do they really improve performance or
is it all hype?

Regards,
Tom Knapik
E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX
Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417

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Starter problem: drain the oil, 'cuz you have to pull off the side cover. 
There is no way to repair, or even remove the drive from outside. You'll 
need to replace the spring and maybe the drive gear...consult the shop 
manual on this, as it's been a while since I owned one.

If you're going to rejet the carbs, why not add an aftermarket exhaust 
that will take advantage of the boost. Some can be had for about $300, I 
think. Try a K&N filter too.

For a tank, try baltimore cycle salvage. 410-962-1335 located at 1629 
Warner St. just off Russell St. and I-95. Mike is your man, and he's got 
quite a collection. I bought an engine from him last week for the Gold 
Wing and it is great; clean and lo mileage and his price was better than 
anybody by $400. No u-pick. He pulls all the parts so his quality stays 
high.


Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"





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> Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs?  Do they really improve performance or
> is it all hype?

I've tried the Split Fire plugs in both my '94 Trans-Am
and my '95 ZX11, both with disappointing results.

The performance gain was unnoticeable, and I dyno'd
the car @ HyperTech in Memphis which proved there
was no gain on my LT1 motor.

My ZX11 was also dyno'd @ Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly
with no measurable performance gains from the Splitfire
plugs being installed.  No loss in power, but also no gain.

What I did get was a drained wallet from plugs that 
cost double vs. the stock replacements. 

Another note, I recently pulled the Split Fire plugs from 
my ZX11 during routine maintenance, and they were
wasted after 7,500 miles.  I can't say that's good or bad
because I normally change plugs @ 7500 miles anyway,
but I wouldn't expect them to last long.  One plug had
actually lost a small piece of ceramic material that 
encloses the core.  Who knows what damage that may
or may not have caused to my motor at this point it
runs fine though..

Berg/ZX11


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Just saw this on Home Improvement:

Segment on "The Man's Gym," included 

1) A multi-gym with a padded leather armchair

2) A Row & Go ( Rowing machine with a toilet for a seat)

And 3) my favorite, the Man's Exercise Bicycle. Tim whips the sheet off ...
there's a *sweet* motorcycle underneath, all black and chrome (kinda like
mine). He gets on and puts his feet onto the pedals that have been installed.
 "Three speeds!" he says, pedalling slowly. "Beginner rider,"
    (speeding up) "Expert rider,"
         (starting the bike) "Easy rider!" He drives off into the wings...
this being Tool Time, there is a loud crash and flying bike parts.

oh, well... I thought it was cute

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Tom, there a gimmick, don't buy them.  Check out:
http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/splitftc.html
 for more information.  This is a copy of the document that is on the
Federal Trade Commission home page.


On to more important things... Anyone up for a ride this weekend?  Brian
and I are going to head somewhere.  Haven't figured out the route yet
though.

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna



>Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs?  Do they really improve performance
>or
>is it all hype?
>

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At 04:04 PM 8/19/97 -0400, Tom Knapik wrote:
>Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs?  Do they really improve
performance or
>is it all hype?

Hype.  

_Motorcycle Consumer News_ reported the Motorcycle Mechanic's Institute
(MMI, the motorcycle school in Daytona) tests on the Splitfires.  They ran
a bike on the dyno, changed the plugs and ran the bike on the dyno again.

The plugs made no difference.

Chris Norloff



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Steve Beck@ISI
08/20/97 11:04 AM

Rawlings is 8 miles south of Cumberland Maryland on Routh 220. The track is
1 mile south of Rawlings.

It's about a 120 mile ride from the Northern Virginia area.  You can also
get additional information from the people that run the track at the
following numbers:

Wilbur Collins: 301-729-3532 or 301-359-9249, and the racetrack number is
301-729-6131.


                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                 






Steve-

Where is it?

Kevin





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     Who else is out there on 2 wheels?  What do you do to keep your feet 
     dry?  I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for 
     hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet.  
     I'm tired of squishing arround the office...
     
     Soggy rider,
     
        Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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>Who else is out there on 2 wheels?  

My rainjacket was at the office so I left the bike at home today...

>What do you do to keep your feet dry?

Totes boots. These come in both zip up and pull up versions.

They work.

>I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for hand 
>protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet.

I don't trust the Aerostich on it's own... Maybe I just do a sucky job of
using the spray on waterproofing.

Kirk


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You could do what I did today.  45 minutes in the rain.  Jeans, t shirt,
leather shoes...

Go home whipped, take a hot shower, and took the truck for the rest of the day.

Didn't go to ground though =8{

-charles


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I wear the "Combat Touring Boots" made by Sidi and distributed through
riderwarehouse ($260).  My feet stay exceptionally dry.  You might 
try some of those rubber pull ons.  I've seen them in dealerships
and I think even at Sports Authority.  I recall they were around 
$22-$30.

Speaking of who's out there, I had a great ride in this morning at
around 8:30am coming up I95 on the HOV.  Saw one other rider (Silver
ST1100...yess!) and hardly any cages.  In fact of the 5 or so I saw,
only two were non-violators.  I95 proper though, well that's another
story.  Almost felt sorry for those parked saps.

          Todd...riding his '92 CB750 today

     Who else is out there on 2 wheels?  What do you do to keep your feet 
     dry?  I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for 
     hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet.  
     I'm tired of squishing arround the office...
     
     Soggy rider,
     
        Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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There are stretchable boot or shoe covers made of thin rubber that you
wear over your regular shoes. You should be able to find them in any
cycle store. I think they're around $20-$30.
I heard mixed reviews about them. Key point being your feet get hot &
your shoes tend to skid in them when you put your feet down at traffic
lights. I use the ones from Belstaff. They are made of that canvas type
material and fasten with velcro, elastics & buttons. They have nothing
on the sole so you use the grip from your shoes.

> Brian McCoy wrote
> I'm tired of squishing arround the office...
> 
.....but at least they can follow your soggy footsteps around the office
to find you.

Amit
CBR1000

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> 
> 
>      Who else is out there on 2 wheels?  What do you do to keep your
> feet 
>      dry?  I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves
> for 
>      hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the
> feet.  
>      I'm tired of squishing arround the office...
>      
>      Soggy rider,
>      
>         Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f
> 
> 

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On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Brian McCoy wrote:

> 
>      Who else is out there on 2 wheels?  What do you do to keep your feet 
>      dry?  I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for 


I wear my Axo RC-3 motorcross boots.  Keep my feet dry, offer WAY more
protection if I do go down than any street boot made, and are perfect for
kicking in the doors of BDCs when they almost cut you off.  Cost about
$225 in stores, or $175 mail-order.

-jimi


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Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain....

I wear the "Combat Touring Boots" made by Sidi. Got em from Riderwarehouse.
I keep a pair of "work only" shoes at work, so I don't have to wear the
boots all day.
I also have a pair of "totes", but have never used them, since I've never
gotten my 
feet wet wearing the touring boots. And I do try to ride every day (except
when there's ice on the road), so I've gotten caught in some real gully-washers.


At 11:28 AM 8/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>     Who else is out there on 2 wheels?  What do you do to keep your feet 
>     dry?  I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for 
>     hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet.  
>     I'm tired of squishing arround the office...
>     
>     Soggy rider,
>     
>        Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f
>
>
>
Bill Bernstein
syswsb@XXXXXX
'95 Daytona 1200


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for three years now I have been using the $20 kmart rain slicker and a
pair of totes for over the boots.

this will get you through a commute, but severely underperforms on
anything much longer then 30 minutes.

I also use a fog shield, but let my gloves just get soaked.  Good rain
gear costs the big bucks.  I dread falling down on a brand new $200
aerostich.

Unless you are touring, combat rules apply in the rain.  expect to fall
over, expect to get wet.  what matter is "can I see" and "can I stay dry
enough to make it to my destination"

Full size totes are great for the feet though....  slip on slip off..


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Brian McCoy wrote:

> 
>      Who else is out there on 2 wheels?  What do you do to keep your feet 
>      dry?  I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for 
>      hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet.  
>      I'm tired of squishing arround the office...
>      
>      Soggy rider,
>      
>         Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f
> 
> 
> 


--
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I use Totes boots.  Went thru hell trying to find them in Durham when I rode
the VFR back from there in nonstop pouring rain and cold.  Mine zip up the
side.  I'd like to find some that don't.  I wear heavy hiking boots normally,
and needed 2 or maybe 4 sizes larger than my shoe size to get them on.
 Helpful hint: put plastic bags over your shoes before putting on the boots.
 Much easier.  The Totes were about $23 at a shoe store.  I didn't notice any
slipping or other problems.  Heat wasn't an issue.

later
Kevin

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>>I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for hand 
>>protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet.
>
>I don't trust the Aerostich on it's own... Maybe I just do a sucky job of
>using the spray on waterproofing.

My old Aerostich is letting the water soak in, even with a recent
application of Camp Dry.  I think I'll try the NikWax wash-in waterproofing.  

Yesterday the crotch leaked, so it looked like I had an 'accident' once I
got to work.  Last night I got out the sewing machine and replaced a bunch
of velcro on the suit (especially the crotch flap!).

Chris Norloff





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>I also use a fog shield, but let my gloves just get soaked.  Good rain
>gear costs the big bucks.  I dread falling down on a brand new $200
>aerostich.

An Aerostich costs a good bit more than that, but all it costs is money.
Your body costs a heck of a lot more than that.

Chris Norloff





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Summer Ice is the term I've heard for oil and water on the road, typically
after a summer thunderstorm.  It can be as slippery as wet ice. 

It hadn't rained in the Washington, DC, area for quite some time, but
yesterday it rained all day.  I noted on the way in to work that I could
see the colorful swirls of oil floating on the rainwater.  I carefully
stayed in the wheel tracks, and kept my acceleration, braking, and turning
limited to conserve traction.

I figured after it had rained all day, the roads would be pretty clean.
They were.  But as I pulled into the gas station at about 5-10 mph, all of
sudden I was on my side, with the motorcycle skidding away from me.  I
turned off the key and stood up ... and almost fell over, it was so
slippery.  And I was wearing my Vibram lug-sole hiking boots!  I tried to
pick up the bike, but couldn't leverage off the ground - my feet kept
slipping away.  I stood right next to the bike, and was able to lift it
straight up and get it on its tires.  I rolled it up the pumps and put it
on the sidestand.

I walked back to where I'd fallen.  It was incredibly slippery.  I took a
couple brisk steps then stood still -- and slid about 5 feet.  This was
blacktop, downhill of all the pumps -- I guess I was in the drainage of all
those gas and oil drippings.  From the angle I had approached on the bike,
the pavement looked clean.  From beside the pumps I could look back and see
all the oil on the pavement.  I shuffled back to the bike.

Minimal damage to the bike-- the engine guard took most of the abuse,
saving the engine.  The front turn signal broke the fairing.  The mirror
was okay.  The rear saddlebag and top case just had some scratches.

I hit on my right elbow and right knee, judging by the small scrape marks
on my Aerostich.  Both impacts were right where the armor is.  I'm glad I
switched to the hard armor they sell.

It's a jungle out there ... ride smart,
Chris Norloff





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Sound like a lawsuit to me!

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I rode yesterday.  It sucked.  I had to ride because I was scheduled for a
drop-off for 600 mile tune.  I bought a cheapo ($19) rain suit at Cycles USA
last year and it worked wonders.  My cuffs and boots got wet, but other than
that, I was dry as a bone.  I saw only one other bike on the road.  I was on
495 north, the other bike was on the other side.  I think it was a big Honda
GoldWing or a Harley.  The rain is over, and this weekend looks pretty
fantastic.

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Glenn,

I see you have a V30 Magna.  I saw one advertised for sale in the 
paper, an 85 I think.  It sounds interesting, but I know little about them.
I figure it's got two wheels and a seat, but after that, I'm clueless.
So, if you don't mind answering a few questions....
<interrogator mode on>
It's a cruiser style bike, right?  What's the displacement?  Shaftie
or chain drive?  How does it handle twisties?  Highway cruising?
Fast bike or slow torquey cruiser?  Two up cruising?  Air or liquid cooled? 
Any Chrome?  Any Plastic? What sort of gas mileage do you get?  
Is it easy to work on/maintain? Is it suitable for a shorter rider?  
(My wife will be the primary rider, she's 5'3").  What's your favorite
color?  What's the air speed velocity of a coconut laden swallow?
Uhh, wait a minute, I'm getting carried away...forget those last two...
<interrogator mode off>

Thanks for any info you can provide!

Horkster

`The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
19?? UJM To Be....

************************
<snip stuff about Splitfire plugs>

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna

>Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs?  Do they really improve performance
>or
>is it all hype?
>



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<<snip>>
<I dread falling down on a brand new $200 aerostich.>

     Were did you find an aerostitch so cheap?  I think I paid over
$300 just for my Darien jacket.  BTW, it is (by itself) better rain
protection than any rainsuit/jacket I've ever worn.

     My full raingear now consists of a pair of OSI rainpants I pull
on in preparation for the inevitable.  These are a cheapy set ($20)
that I've shorn up with Hip-Wader Repair goo in the crotch and hip
seams (typical tear points).  I'm already wearing everything else.

     Question: What is a good solution to keep my hands dry.  I have
seen the BMW Gortex gloves and have heard they are fairly weather proof.
Any opinions?  I don't think they'd work that great in winter.

     Todd



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     Glenn's the best info on this, with exception of a few questions.  I 
     think those that ride with him would know a little better.  The magna 
     is a high performance cruiser - I.E. a standard.  It's not layed back 
     and cushy, but it's not a crotch rocket either.  It has the 500cc 
     Honda V-4 engine that lays out a bit of torque, with high end 
     performance (I have the same engine in my VF500f).  I'm not sure if 
     most riders of the magna are like Glenn, but he can sure fly on that 
     bike of his.  Wait, maybe Glenn could have spoken for himself with all 
     this anyway.... but, aww.. I felt like taking a brake from work 
     anyway. :P
     
     Oh yea, and an African swallow, or........
     
     Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f


><interrogator mode on>
>It's a cruiser style bike, right?  What's the displacement?  
>Shaftie or chain drive?  How does it handle twisties?  Highway 
>cruising?
>Fast bike or slow torquey cruiser?  Two up cruising?  Air or liquid cooled? 
>Any Chrome?  Any Plastic? What sort of gas mileage do you get?  
>Is it easy to work on/maintain? Is it suitable for a shorter rider?  
>(My wife will be the primary rider, she's 5'3").  What's your 
>favorite color?  What's the air speed velocity of a coconut laden 
>swallow?
>Uhh, wait a minute, I'm getting carried away...forget those last two... 
><interrogator mode off>
     
     



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>     Question: What is a good solution to keep my hands dry.  I have
>seen the BMW Gortex gloves and have heard they are fairly weather proof.
>Any opinions?  I don't think they'd work that great in winter.

I think someone mentioned this but... the yellow latex gloves they sell in
the cleaning supply row of the local grocery store work. Find a size that
fits over your gloves. This is my tactic for warmer months when I use the
thinner gloves.

For the colder months I've got hippo hand type thingies. These are big
things that fit on the handlebars with velcro. They cover up your hands and
about 8" of your forearms. Keeps the rain off and keeps the hands warm.

Kirk
88 Hawk GT


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>     Question: What is a good solution to keep my hands dry.  I have
>seen the BMW Gortex gloves and have heard they are fairly weather proof.
>Any opinions?  I don't think they'd work that great in winter.

The only thing I've ever found that's really waterproof is to use rubber
gloves --  dishwashing gloves, chemical gloves, electrical gloves.
Remember your hands still need something good like leather over them, so
get the gloves big enough to go over your gloves.  The biggest problem with
rubber gloves is they're so damn hot, and you'll get damp just from
perspiration and transpiration of water vapor.

I've got several pairs of cloth overmitts, but they all leak eventually.
Even Gore-Tex, with seams sealed, with a fresh coat of Camp Dry can't stay
waterproof with 60mph rain hitting them.  My current setup is to use the
Gore-Tex overmitts, and put plastic bags inside them if I'll be riding more
than about an hour in the rain.  If it's warm out I don't mind my hands
getting wet, the problem is the damn non-waterproof dye in the gloves, and
that the gloves take days to dry out.

Chris Norloff





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From: "Aki.Damme" <aki.damme@XXXXXX>
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I have an 85 Magna...I wasn't aware that in 85 Honda designated
any bike except "Magna" (for the 700) and V65 Magna for the bored out
1100...I know that in 84 there was the V30, V45 and the V65 for
the various cc displacement but in 85 I thought there was only
two designations...anywho...yes the Magnas are _very_ fast...it's
designated as a "cruiser" however, I never really had any problem
keeping up with similiar cc size sport bikes...it handles well
in the twisties but because of it's lower center of gravity (being
more cruiser than sport bike), it can easilly scrape the pegs
in really deep twisties...

Btw..the 85 700's were all shafties as well as the V65's....

cheers,
-aki


> 
>      Glenn's the best info on this, with exception of a few questions.  I 
>      think those that ride with him would know a little better.  The magna 
>      is a high performance cruiser - I.E. a standard.  It's not layed back 
>      and cushy, but it's not a crotch rocket either.  It has the 500cc 
>      Honda V-4 engine that lays out a bit of torque, with high end 
>      performance (I have the same engine in my VF500f).  I'm not sure if 
>      most riders of the magna are like Glenn, but he can sure fly on that 
>      bike of his.  Wait, maybe Glenn could have spoken for himself with all 
>      this anyway.... but, aww.. I felt like taking a brake from work 
>      anyway. :P
>      
>      Oh yea, and an African swallow, or........
>      
>      Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f
> 
> 
> ><interrogator mode on>
> >It's a cruiser style bike, right?  What's the displacement?  
> >Shaftie or chain drive?  How does it handle twisties?  Highway 
> >cruising?
> >Fast bike or slow torquey cruiser?  Two up cruising?  Air or liquid cooled? 
> >Any Chrome?  Any Plastic? What sort of gas mileage do you get?  
> >Is it easy to work on/maintain? Is it suitable for a shorter rider?  
> >(My wife will be the primary rider, she's 5'3").  What's your 
> >favorite color?  What's the air speed velocity of a coconut laden 
> >swallow?
> >Uhh, wait a minute, I'm getting carried away...forget those last two... 
> ><interrogator mode off>
>      
>      
> 
> 
> 

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If anyone hears of any Honda 500 interceptors (or other 500's) for 
sale and they're in decent shape let me know.  I have a friend who is 
just starting out and wants a decent bike for a reasonable price and 
is not interested in a "cruiser" type bike.  Thanks.

--John


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Horkster, yes it is a cruiser style bike although you sit fairly
straight up.  I prefer to call the Magna's power cruisers because they
have the Honda V4 engines on them like the Sabres and Interceptors.  And
as you can probably tell from the engine they are fast for cruisers.
They are liquid cooled.  They have a good amount of chrome.  The only
plastics I have are the side covers, rear cowl, and some misc. other
parts.  I get around 45 MPG no matter how I ride it.  I would say its
easy to work on except for medium to major engine work.  The V design
makes it hard to get even the valve covers off.  But for routine
maintenance they are a breeze.  I would say the V30 is probably OK for a
5'3" rider.  I'm about 6' and its a little small for me.  I like the
Black ones, bikes that is ;-).

I'm no pro rider but I haven't had any problems in the twisties.  There
haven't been a big handful of people leaving me in them either. Its a
chain drive.  I think all of the larger Magna's are shaft drive, but not
100% sure.

Some specs that i remember off the top of my head are 0-60 in 3.9
seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.79.  The V30 represents 30 cubic inches or 500
cc (actually its 498 cc). I think it has 62 hp at the crank @ 11,500
RPM. One other thing mine and I know Brian's 500 (he has the
Interceptor) tend to run pretty hot on 85 degree days or hotter.  I even
have a fan override switch on mine and it still runs hot.  Its never
overheated but it does run hot.  I think the bike weighs around 400
pounds dry.

About the only other complaint is the tiny gas tank.  It has I think
about a 2.5 gallon or 2.9 gallon total capacity.  It only has an on and
off on the fuel switch.  The bike automatically switches to the reserve
tank when it gets below a certain level and then an idiot like comes on
between the tach and speedo.

If you happen to look at any other older V models beware that they have
an oil problem.  Alot of the older (don't know when the cutoff date is)
Honda V engines didn't provide enough oil to the rear cams which could
cause a cam failure.  The engines that were effected were the 700 cc,
the 750 cc, and the 1100 cc engines.  I have had mine since 88 and
haven't really had any real problems with it.  Bought it with 3300 miles
and it now has close to 25K.

If I think of anything else I will let you know.  Also I can go look at
it with you if you would like.

Thanx for the kind words Kirk and Brian.

Oh, I have one other complaint,  You can't get shit for after market
stuff.  About the only thing I have found is a K&N air filter.  I just
got rejected last week from Corbin when i asked them if they had a seat
for my bike.

So who else is going riding with Brian and I on Sunday?

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna


>I see you have a V30 Magna.  I saw one advertised for sale in the 
>paper, an 85 I think.  It sounds interesting, but I know little about them.
>I figure it's got two wheels and a seat, but after that, I'm clueless.
>So, if you don't mind answering a few questions....
><interrogator mode on>
>It's a cruiser style bike, right?  What's the displacement?  Shaftie
>or chain drive?  How does it handle twisties?  Highway cruising?
>Fast bike or slow torquey cruiser?  Two up cruising?  Air or liquid cooled? 
>Any Chrome?  Any Plastic? What sort of gas mileage do you get?  
>Is it easy to work on/maintain? Is it suitable for a shorter rider?  
>(My wife will be the primary rider, she's 5'3").  What's your favorite
>color?  What's the air speed velocity of a coconut laden swallow?
>Uhh, wait a minute, I'm getting carried away...forget those last two...
>

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They made the V30 in 84 and 85, the only years it was made.  The only
difference I have been able to tell between the 2 years is the mirrors.

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna (the taller mirrors)

>
>I have an 85 Magna...I wasn't aware that in 85 Honda designated
>any bike except "Magna" (for the 700) and V65 Magna for the bored out
>1100...I know that in 84 there was the V30, V45 and the V65 for
>the various cc displacement but in 85 I thought there was only
>two designations...anywho...yes the Magnas are _very_ fast...it's
>designated as a "cruiser" however, I never really had any problem
>keeping up with similiar cc size sport bikes...it handles well
>in the twisties but because of it's lower center of gravity (being
>more cruiser than sport bike), it can easilly scrape the pegs
>in really deep twisties...
>

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One other thing, I have never scrapped the pegs on my V30 and I have had
it pretty low.

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna

>
>in the twisties but because of it's lower center of gravity (being
>more cruiser than sport bike), it can easilly scrape the pegs
>in really deep twisties...
>

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I found a couple in the Want Ads Weekly, a rag you can 
find in any 7-11 store in the area.  $1.25 an issue, has
motorcycles near the back, sorted by make.  

Good luck.
Horkster

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If anyone hears of any Honda 500 interceptors (or other 500's) for 
sale and they're in decent shape let me know.  I have a friend who is 
just starting out and wants a decent bike for a reasonable price and 
is not interested in a "cruiser" type bike.  Thanks.

--John



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     The Honda V-4's of infamouse cam problems were 83-86 for all bikes 
     with the V4 configuration.  The 500's were known for haveing noticably 
     less problems with the cams though.  The 86 VFR (not interceptor) was 
     the first bike that the problem was solved in - otherwise it was 1987 
     before the change was made for all V4 engines.  
     
     Glenn's dead on about the heat problem with the earlier (an all) V4's 
     on most days.  It's a blessing in the winter, and a curse in the 
     summer... though the summer days aren't that bad as long as you're 
     moveing along at a moderate clip (45 or so).
     
     
     Any other V4 questions? anyone.. anyone.. bueler.
     
     
        Brian



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     Hey,
     
        I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking 
     a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair.  Anyone care 
     to join me?  Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been to 
     in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho or Washington..... (Yes, I'm a 
     history geek too...)
     
     
     Ride safe,
     
     
        Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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>Question: What is a good solution to keep my hands dry.  I have
>seen the BMW Gortex gloves and have heard they are fairly weather proof.
>Any opinions?  I don't think they'd work that great in winter.

    Well, if you can ever get them, the folks who work
    in slaughterhouses use these really thick waterproof
    gloves. They are brightly colored and come in big sizes too.
    I have no idea where to find them, I saw s  omeone with them once
    and have wanted a pair since. They are flat out decent rain wear.

    Dave
    


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I've been wanting to check out the RF as well.  Been down here over 5 years
now, and never made it to one yet.  I might have to work Saturday as well,
but I was planning on going Sunday.  Up for a ride then?

Horkster

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     Hey,
     
        I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking 
     a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair.  Anyone care 
     to join me?  Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been to 
     in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho or Washington..... (Yes, I'm a 
     history geek too...)
     
     
     Ride safe,
     
     
        Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f




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Todd B Peer wrote:
 
  >> I dread falling down on a brand new $200 aerostich.>
 
  > Were did you find an aerostitch so cheap? 

Apparently, if you give Aerostitch a call and ask what they have in their
reduced price category or "imperfect" category (whatever it's called), you can
get EXCELLENT prices on stuff.

A friend of mine has bought a few things from them that way.  He bought a
two-piece in gray that had been used for a few hours in a photo shoot for
about $200 off.

-- WWW

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>Some specs that i remember off the top of my head are 0-60 in 3.9
>seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.79.  The V30 represents 30 cubic inches or 500
>cc (actually its 498 cc). I think it has 62 hp at the crank @ 11,500
>RPM. 

Well, that would answer my question. The Hawk only makes 47 or so
horsepower in stock setup. The 0-60 time's about 4 seconds, and the 1/4
mile about 13. On the other hand, my Hawk's no longer stock (up to 697cc
from 647cc, perhaps as much as 65 hp if I ever get the jetting sorted). The
low revving v-twin certainly has some disadvantages against a higher
revving v-four. What's the torque like? I'd assume the twin has the
advantage here.

>Thanx for the kind words Kirk and Brian.

No kindness intended, dem's just the facts. I can honestly say that I was
suprised how well a 6', 200 lb (wild guess, apologies ahead of time) guy
could get around on a little "cruiser".

>About the only thing I have found is a K&N air filter.

Well, while everything else imaginable is available for the Hawk, K&N
filters aren't. You buy the Honda part or you ditch the airbox altogether.
However, many manufacturers are discontinuing Hawk parts (i.e., even Two
Brothers who started their business with Hawk racing/parts).

Kirk


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Brian McCoy wrote:
 
  > The Honda V-4's of infamouse cam problems were 83-86 for all
  > bikes with the V4 configuration.  

Check out Robyn Landers' moto-page for Honda V-4 info:

     http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/moto.html

-- WWW

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>        I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking

>     a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair.  Anyone care 
>     to join me?  Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been
to 
>     in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho or Washington..... (Yes, I'm a 
>     history geek too...)
>     Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f

Bring a lot of cash.

Kirk


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Why lots of cash?  Is it expensive to get in?  Or is food/entertainment/beverages expensive?
Or is there so much neat collectible/souvenir stuff that one feels compelled to empty the
wallet?

Please enlighten us, fellow biker dude!
Horkster
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>        I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking

>     a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair.  Anyone care 
>     to join me?  Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been
to 
>     in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho or Washington..... (Yes, I'm a 
>     history geek too...)
>     Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f

Bring a lot of cash.

Kirk



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From: Sandy TRIOLO <TRIOLOS@XXXXXX>
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Subject:  Re: Honda 500 Interceptor

How about a 450? Its a suzuki standard style bike twin cylinder, handles nice, looks kinda like an old cafe racer. Low milage and runs strong, could sell it for 800 or so. great starter bike. Sorry I don't know the model off the top of my head, but I can find out. The bike is in Silver Spring.

sandy

>>> <jcarver@XXXXXX> 08/21 2:47 PM >>>
If anyone hears of any Honda 500 interceptors (or other 500's) for  sale and they're in decent shape let me know.  I have a friend who is  just starting out and wants a decent bike for a reasonable price and  is not interested in a "cruiser" type bike.  Thanks.

--John

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               


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From: Kirk Roy <ROYK@XXXXXX>
Subject: Renaissance Festival was Re: Saturday - ride/enjoyment?
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>Why lots of cash?  Is it expensive to get in?  Or is
>food/entertainment/beverages expensive? Or is there so much neat
>collectible/souvenir stuff that one feels compelled to empty the
>wallet?

Yes.

It's over $20 to get in. Some shows (jousting, "wrestling", etc) are "free"
once you're in there. I recall there being some shows that cost extra but
my mind is going at an early age...

Food and beverages are typical prices for closed events (how much was that
hot dog at RFK?).

The collectible/souvenir stuff could probably be bought cheaper if you got
a business card from the vendor that interests you and then you saw them in
their shop. It seems like Festival prices are higher than normal shop
prices for places I've been to. That might just be my impression though.
Nicknack stuff will be tempting for some (including my wife).

I would've liked some Scottish stuff in there as well since my own personal
history interests me more than history in general. I can always go to a
gathering of clans for that though...

One of the things the Festival left me wondering was if pushed up boobs
were such a big feature of Renaissance clothing. Seems to be popular for
the maidens at the festival. Even the ones who'd ordinarily be quite
demure... Maybe I just showed up on push up boob day?

Kirk


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At 04:02 PM 8/21/97 -0400, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote:
>I've been wanting to check out the RF as well.  Been down here over 5 years
>now, and never made it to one yet.  I might have to work Saturday as well,
>but I was planning on going Sunday.  Up for a ride then?
>
>Horkster
>
>

  I havent ever been to the RF out in Maryland, but Ive gone to the one that
comes here in Fredericksburg for the last couple of years. Thats where my
sweet hubby gets me my mothers day presents. (they're here for moms day)
Last year I got my dagger and barbarian mask and claw collar and claw gloves
and devil horns. The year before I got my spiked black leather widow makers
and boot spikes and spiked choker. The mud wrestlers were a hoot, too.  :) I
LOVE that damn fair!!  :)  :)

  Oh, yeah..someone mentioned the big boob fest they seem to have. Well,
haw! I looked into the stores that sell their clothes, and all they really
do is use "cookies" (like the wonderbra ones) 'cept THEIR "cookies" are
about three times the size of the regular ones. Makes even ME look like I
got sumthin up there! love THAT, too!  :) Not that Id ever admit that
everything that sticks out aint all me, of course....... 

  Next year I wanna get some spiked thingys that go on my legs and match the
widowmakers. kewl! 

  Horkster!!!! You work saturdays!?!?!?!? SHAME! Go HOME!!!!

Squeakers


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I had a similar experience many years ago on a rainy day pulling into a gas
station where a coat of driveway sealant had been recently applied to the
apron.  I was turning as my front tire made contact -- more or less -- with
the freshly sealed and very slippery apron.  Just the little bit of side
force that a 5 mph turn causes was enough to convince my front tire to take
off.  As I started falling the bike really shot out from under me -- by that
time the rear tire had also found the frictionless surface of the apron.  A
mirror and a brake lever had to be replaced.  

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I thought that the folks who dressed in costumes got in the gate for 
free, but I may be wrong.

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My 1985 V65 Honda Magna is need of help in Bethesda.   

Here's the deal:  A little while ago
I had noticed her running a little hot, thought maybe the fanstat needed
help, wasn't sure.  Anyway, I was away for a bit and wanted to have the
shop check out the cooling system.  I went to fire her up to take her in
and no go. No electricity whatesoever.  I thought: OK maybe I left
something on.  It was not likely, as I park in a garage and would have
noticed a light on.  Anyway, I removed the battery and hooked up the
trickle charge.  Seemed to be ok, but I checked levels and left it on
overnight.  Hooked it on and no go.  

Now what?  I hate to say it but I am pretty clueless on the electrical
stuff.  Called a guy who tows bikes (tilting flat bed) but he said he
couldnt get the truck down my garage.  I really need somebody who can
look at the electricals on site.  I am in Bethesda MD just outside of
DC.

The thing was.....the only big trip I have planned is coming up Labor
Day, family reunion in Maine.  I do NOT need this.  Anyway I thought I
would give you a shout since you were local.  Feel free to pass this
message along to anyone local.  Yes, I would be happy to pay for anyone
qualified to diagnose.  I REALLY want to ride to Maine in about ten
days!  Any chance?  If anyone knows who can help, please drop me a line.

If not, that's cool. I thought it was worth a shot.

Sign me: a Magna owner in need.

Thanks.

Andrew


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Hey, y'all

I bought some used dead cow products (inedible) from Colleen, the leather
goddess today.  I circulated a list of her available stuff a while ago, but
she can give you a current one.  Lots of stuff, and IMHO, accurately
described and fairly priced.  I got a Roadgear Oregon Trail and some BMW
pants for $351.   That's less than the jacket alone costs new.  The jacket is
in very good shape, much better than my well used Firstgear TKO, and the
pants will be great with a bit of conditioning.  Actually, they're fine now.
 She is in Silver Spring and gives 10% off (I hope that's not a secret) if
you come to her house.  That way she doesn't have to pay shipping or worry
that it won't fit and you'll return it.  Email her at MotorLE@XXXXXX.  She
is very spam-conscious, so she won't post stuff.  She is working on a web
page, but I'm not allowed to give out the address until she's done.

Colleen also has a very nice black 87 BMW R80 for sale for $3500.  27000
miles, I think.  She's definitely a BMW nut.

She has a special on some Harley type women's stuff, like boots, purse, and
hat.

Later
Kevin

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On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote:
> I would say its
> easy to work on except for medium to major engine work.

  And the one front spark plug is a pain to get to.

> I like the
> Black ones, bikes that is ;-).

  Nah,my old maroon one was much cooler. ;-)

  I owned both an '84 V30 and an '86 500 'Ceptor.Power/torque was 
pretty much the same between both of them(the cruiser didn't feel
torquier),but then the '86 'Ceptor engine was tuned different from
the '84/85 models.Both of them ran hot,but never overheated.I've 
heard of the cam problem in the 500's,but I never had any probs and
never actually talked to anyone who has.
  BTW,if anyone is interested I still have my old Clymer manual
laying aroung somewhere.It covers both the Interceptor and V30.
Free to a good home(SASE if you want me to mail it to you).

> So who else is going riding with Brian and I on Sunday?

  Where and what time?I just got back from leave and prolly missed
it if you posted.E-mail me back.


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On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Brian McCoy wrote:
>      The Honda V-4's of infamouse cam problems were 83-86 for all bikes 
>      with the V4 configuration.  The 500's were known for haveing noticably 
>      less problems with the cams though.  The 86 VFR (not interceptor) was 
>      the first bike that the problem was solved in - otherwise it was 1987 
>      before the change was made for all V4 engines.  

  Sorry to nitpick,but the cam prob was first solved in '85 with the
VF1000R.If I really wanted to be pendantic,I'd also say that the '86
Magna was a VF and that there were two Interceptors(700 and 750).
(Hey,it's a boring night at work.)

>      Any other V4 questions? anyone.. anyone.. bueler.

  Two "l"s in Bueller.  ;-)


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  How old is the battery?They can get cooked by an over heated engine
or even by a long trip. You could also have a dead cell in it.I had this
happen to a battery when I was over in England.It would charge fine,but
just would not fire up the motor.
  BTW,just in case,have you checked the fuses?(Always a good idea when
t/s'ing electrical probs.)


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	From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX  Thu Aug 21 16:26:33 1997
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	Subject: Re: Saturday - ride/enjoyment?

	> I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking
	> a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair.  Anyone care 
	> to join me?  Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been to 
	Bring a lot of cash.

And beware of psychos...

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Andrew, I agree with Gil on this.  I have had batteries that I thought
were in good shape and then just die on me while I was riding or when I
stopped to get a drink then the bike wouldn't start again.  I'd replace
the battery if its over a year old and if you haven't maintained it
well.

good luck

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

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>
>Now what?  I hate to say it but I am pretty clueless on the electrical
>stuff.  Called a guy who tows bikes (tilting flat bed) but he said he
>couldnt get the truck down my garage.  I really need somebody who can
>look at the electricals on site.  I am in Bethesda MD just outside of
>DC.
>

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Squeakers, 

Boy, do I want to party with you!!!!  :-)

Horkster

ps:  Trust me, the Saturday work thingie is definitely not a voluntary deal.  I've got
better things to do with my time.  At least I get paid for it, unlike some salary positions.


----------
Squeakers the Evil Temptress wrote: 

  ...Last year I got my dagger and barbarian mask and claw collar and claw gloves
and devil horns. The year before I got my spiked black leather widow makers
and boot spikes and spiked choker. The mud wrestlers were a hoot, too.  :) I
LOVE that damn fair!!  :)  :)

  Oh, yeah..someone mentioned the big boob fest they seem to have. Well,
haw! I looked into the stores that sell their clothes, and all they really
do is use "cookies" (like the wonderbra ones) 'cept THEIR "cookies" are
about three times the size of the regular ones. Makes even ME look like I
got sumthin up there! love THAT, too!  :) Not that Id ever admit that
everything that sticks out aint all me, of course....... 

  Next year I wanna get some spiked thingys that go on my legs and match the
widowmakers. kewl! 

  Horkster!!!! You work saturdays!?!?!?!? SHAME! Go HOME!!!!

Squeakers



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I thought that the folks who dressed in costumes got in the gate for 
free, but I may be wrong.

     You are.  Sorry.  Friends and I used to attend the event in MD
     as far back as when it was held at the Merriweather Post.  I seem
     to recall it being a much more gawdy/rowdy/loose good time then.
     Seems since, the event has really gone commercial, with more people
     dressed in everyday clothing than costume. I'm not bitching about
     it since the organizers clearly saw the $$ potential of Mom/Pop
     and kids and grabbed it.  I just think the whole thing has been 
     watered down.  You can still get some pretty cool artifacts 
     (some Squeakers mentioned and more), but thats how I feel about 
     it now.  Just a closed flea market.

     Oh, one other thing.  If you plan to go in costume, you will be
     shunned by the paid performers that roam the grounds.  They tend
     to be a clique that would prefer that 'they' are the only ones
     who dress up.  And you will still pay full price.

          Todd

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All,

Having just sold my wife's bike, we are now in the market for
a late 70's-early 80's 600-1000 or so cc cruiser-style bike
in decent shape.  Having lost my patience with Yamahas,
I'm now concentrating on Kawasaki LTD's or Honda Custom
type bikes.  Bike must run and be more or less complete.
Good looks a plus (gotta keep the wife happy.  :-)

Is there anyone out there in Net-land who has one of these
bikes sitting quietly in their garage/shed, unused and wanting
a new home?  My wife will be the primary rider, and she is
rather short of inseam, but she can handle bikes of 750cc
or larger quite easily.

We are located in the Northern Virginia area, and are
willing to travel a couple hundred miles or so for the 
right bike.  

Horkster

`The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman
dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX

1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD  (mine, too tall for her anyway)
1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (even taller than the LTD)


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John - please pass this along to CAMS....

Hello everyone!

Moving day is finally here.. well, on Monday. Jon and I need to get our stuff
from storage into a truck. This wasn't a problem going *into* storage, but I
just had knee surgery and will be pretty much useless. (*HEY!* I heard that!)

1) We don't have a lot of stuff. Jon can do it all, really, except for couch,
desk, bed, and of course MY BIKE!

2) I'll buy lunch and your beverage of choice. 

3) My knees will be eternally grateful.

Please call me at Mom's (703) 352-7740, or page me at (703) 515-4264. BTW -
location is Merrifield (50 and the Beltway in VA). 

THANKS SO MUCH!

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Subject: MD Ren Fest, reprise.

Kirk Roy <ROYK@XXXXXX> said:
*
* It's over $20 to get in. Some shows (jousting, "wrestling", etc) are "free"
* once you're in there. I recall there being some shows that cost extra but
* my mind is going at an early age...
*
* Food and beverages are typical prices for closed events (how much was that
* hot dog at RFK?).
*
* The collectible/souvenir stuff could probably be bought cheaper if you got
* a business card from the vendor that interests you and then you saw them in
* their shop. It seems like Festival prices are higher than normal shop
* prices for places I've been to. That might just be my impression though.
* Nicknack stuff will be tempting for some (including my wife).
*
    Well, only 12.95 at the gate (11 for seniors, 5 for kids).  Of course,
there's a web site, <http://www.rennfest.com/>  :)  You're right-on about
closed-event food and beverage prices, though, more frequent patrons are
more likely to be "forgiven" some co$t$ than are others.  :)  Don't get
much free beer at RFK, no matter how many United games you attend.  :)


* One of the things the Festival left me wondering was if pushed up boobs
* were such a big feature of Renaissance clothing. Seems to be popular for
* the maidens at the festival. Even the ones who'd ordinarily be quite
* demure... Maybe I just showed up on push up boob day?
*
    Basically, pushed-up-boobs were fashionable.  And so were larger [men
and] women.  Guess you must be rich if you could afford to eat so much food.
More muscular types were more often laborors or soldiers.  While I'm not a
Renaissance Fashion Maven (RFM?) by *any* means, it was cool to learn, while
researching my costume, that "... tights are only to be worn by men of
approving legs.  Those too thin or obese must be more generously covered."
or something to that effect.  Anyway, every day is push-up-boob day.  >:p

    In other news, I really don't think there's any "attitude" from the
actors towards those who dress up.  They'll more likely engage you in
converstaion than someone in modern clothes, but nothing "superior." 
At least, they've never dared put off such a 'tude w/me!  :)  Then again,
when I'm not [commercial plug] selling hats at the Madd Hatter (located
near Market Stage, by the Joust) I'm usually in a monk's robe.

    L8r, P8r.
    pverst1@XXXXXX

=;)

"Tao k'o Tao fei ch'ang Tao (Tao called Tao is not Tao)" - Lao-tzu

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People in my building have recently been having a problem, and I'd 
like to get feedback, experiences, advice, whatever may help out.

I work in Arlington, near the Virginia Square metro.  Several of us in 
this building have been parking our motorcycles out on the street next 
to us.  There is metered parking, but we would park after the metered 
space, and before the driveway to a bank.  We've been able to fit 3 bikes
in this space.  I personally have been doing this for 2 years, and I've 
seen others doing this before I got a motorcycle.  I've asked several 
meterpersons if this was all right.  They said as long as we were not in 
the metered spot, there was no problem.

As I said, we've been doing this for a long time, and I've never heard 
any complaints.  Cars and trucks have moved in and out of the metered 
spot with no problems, and we weren't blocking the driveway to the 
bank.

Then, all of the sudden yesterday I received a ticket for parking in 
an unpaid meter.  I don't know if there was a car in the space at the 
time the ticket was written, but still it should have been obvious 
that I was not parked at that particular meter.  I flagged down a 
passing meterman (what are these people supposed to be called 
anyway???) and asked him about it.  He called it in to the main 
office, adding in his personal comment that he didn't see any problem 
with the motorcycle where it was.  The office told him to take the 
ticket back, but told me that I really shouldn't park there.  This 
morning I parked in another location, but two other motorcycles parked 
in this same area, and I now see that they both have tickets.  I told 
one of the riders about it before hand, but he didn't think it was 
going to be a problem.  He's now going to try calling the parking 
office.  

So what have been your experiences with these situations?  It was not 
marked "No Parking"  It was clearly outside of the range of the meter 
(according to all of the meter people I've spoken too).  In fact there 
used to be a white line painted to mark the end of the meter-zone, and 
we always parked our bikes outside of the line.  It has since faded 
and not been repainted.

And there is not much room on other parts of the street to park our 
motorcycles, unless of course we pay the full meter price of an 
automobile (even though we can get 4-5 bikes in that space).  

Any comments?  

Thanks,

Louis

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Alexandria, VA      |  '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC 
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From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Rain Gloves
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Thanks everybody for the rainglove suggestions.  Especially Dave Choat
who suggested slaughter house gloves.  Wow 8=)

I think the best/basic setup must be those playtex style gloves that
would fit snug to your leather.  Problem then becomes getting them
on over the leather.

So we turn to Lab Safety Supplies.  Searching for gloves I find black
neoprene gloves (lined or not) that are about $8 a pair.  They also
have the Latex Overboots in different sizes at about $5 a pair.

Go to:    http://www.labsafety.com/

Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
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If the weather is nice this weekend, anyone feel like doing a sporty ride
out to the moutains?  I don't have a route in mind, completely open to
suggestions, something twisty.

"Pace" type riding only.  No contests and no racing.  You ride within your
skill level, and ride smart. 

This message isn't only for sportbike pilots.  I have ridden with some of
you out there on cruiser and standards that can ride the pants off most of
the racer-wannabees.  Anyway, if anyone wants to, email me direct and I'll
try to set up a meeting place that works for the group.

-jimi


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...ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz...

Todd B Peer <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX> writes:
> Thanks everybody for the rainglove suggestions.  Especially Dave Choat
> who suggested slaughter house gloves.  Wow 8=)

...ZZZ--snork//huh?  Wha?

Guess I slept through the glove part of the rain thead... :-}

An excellent idea that I've yet to follow up on (from another list
and reputed as an excellent solution) is kayaking gloves.  They
supposedly have relatively long gauntlets that you can pull up
and over the wrist cuffs on your rainsuit, give you good tactile
feel of the controls and (duh!) are quite waterproof.  Abrasion
resistance might be questionable, but hopefully with a wet road
the coefficient of friction will be substantially reduced anyway.
You probably can't find a pair that fit over heavy leather gloves.

Mr. Bill


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Subject: Re: Re[2]: rain.. rain.. rain....

If you're willing to spend the money, check out a local dive shop and ask
them what they wear to keep their hands warm and dry in the cold water.  (A
good "dry suit" costs >$1200, and the gloves are extra).

Just a suggestion.

Lisa V.

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Subject: Re: Motorcycle parking in Arlington

snip
>to us.  There is metered parking, but we would park after the metered
>space, and before the driveway to a bank.  We've been able to fit 3 bikes
>in this space.  I personally have been doing this for 2 years, and I've

>Then, all of the sudden yesterday I received a ticket for parking in
>an unpaid meter.
snip

I used to work downtown near the Gallery metro.  There were 2 bicycle racks
at each end of the park in front of the library, adjacent to the Portrait
Gallery.

There was a group of about 8~10 bikes that parked there daily, locking to
the rack.

As with your experience, we parked there for several years with no problem.
Then some metercow got a hair up their ass and started ticketing us- $100
for parking on the sidewalk.  I got 6 over the next year.

I fought the first 2 tickets, never won any of them, but did get the fines
reduced.  The thought occured to me that I was loosing more money taking
time off work than was being deducted from the face value of the ticket.

I finally quit paying them, and eventually returned the tag.  About a year
later, I re-registered the bike with no problems.  This was about 8 years
ago.

Al
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That's definitely the secret in DC for anyone that gets parking tickets
on a regular basis.  Replace your tags!  The "hot list" the parking
dummies walk around with only has tag numbers.  Don't know if this works
in VA or MD though.

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna


>I finally quit paying them, and eventually returned the tag.  About a year
>later, I re-registered the bike with no problems.  This was about 8 years
>ago.
>
>

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Years ago I received this exact same ticket in arlington and refused to
pay it.

2 years later they were still able to track me down.

3 years later the fine was taken from my refund check for virginia state
income taxes.

Strangely enough I received a notice for the fine this past spring, and
coward that I am, finally paid it.

Then two weeks later I got the notice that the fine had also been removed
from my refund.

As my time is worth $200 an hour to me, I was not about to waste the time
straightening this out.

Two weeks ago I got a refund check from Arlington for the double payment
of the fine.

Will wonders never cease.


--
Thomas Piergallini
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On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote:

> That's definitely the secret in DC for anyone that gets parking tickets
> on a regular basis.  Replace your tags!  The "hot list" the parking
> dummies walk around with only has tag numbers.  Don't know if this works
> in VA or MD though.
> 
> Glenn Dysart
> DysarGB@XXXXXX


This is a serious facinating idea.  At what mass of tickets should one
trade in ones tag?  Do realize that when the day comes and you get pulled
over, you will probably go to jail?  Undesireable, but a small price to
pay....

The best solution is to have nothing to do with any of these dens of satan
(arlington and DC).  Move away.  Get another job.  Get away from this hell
hole that we are all living in.  The battle is lost for us motorcylists.

Course the last time I advocating violence against evil safety officials,
it started a month long thread, so I am not going to advocate now
accidentally leaving treadmarks on the foreheads of any and all parking
cows.

Ahh, nothing like a late friday night and a few beers..

--
Thomas Piergallini
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Geez, and I guess your meters arent still a nickel an hour like the few
that exist out here are.  No seriously, there used to be MC parking only
spaces down in Crystal Drive, but of coursew they took that away for the
almighty dollar.  the amount of money taken in by those meter maids is
ridiculous.  I dont know if theres an ABATE or some Club chapter in the
Northern Virginia area that might want to take up the cause, but it
wouldnt hurt to work on the County board/County managers office to try
and get some motorcycle parking spaces.  Use the efficiency /
environmentally friendly argument and it might actually work.(Heck it
worked on HOV)  But it will take some time and effort.  In all honesty
moaning to the PD wont make a heck of a lot of difference, the County
Board and County Manager are the people to go through, they effectively
run the place, and they hate anything that resembles bad publicity, so
even getting it into Dr. Gridlock in the Post would help some, then send
the articles to the appropriate places.  Just my .02$

			HDKnight

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Subject: My first accident(and I wasn't even there)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:29:30 -0400
From: Joe Siegrist <iniquity@XXXXXX>

I left my '83 Honda Nighthawk in the motorcycle parking lot here at maryland
yesterday.  When I came out to ride home I noticed my right handle bar was
now facing straight up in the sky.  It was bent quite badly, the little dent
in the tank is now about 3/4 of an inch deep and across andd my rear break 
pedal was not mobile.

Luckily aparently the College Park Police witnessed the accident and left me 
a note.  I found out that a tractor-trailer backed over the edge of the front
tire.

I was able to pull the rear gear shift lever out enough to be useable and push
the right handle bar down enough to make riding uncomfortable but possible.

But I'm wondering if the metal gets weak from all this bending and if I should
have the handle bars replaced.   I have insurance information and this guy's
home phone (He wants to pay for it out of his own pocket because he has a CDL 
and is afraid of losing his job apparently..)

Does anyone have any suggestions on a good place to take this (hopefully near
by?)  Dealing with insurance companies?  What to replace? (handle bars? tank?)

Thanks in advance,

Joe

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Joe:
IMHO, you should take the bike to a dealer, have them replace _all_ the 
bent stuff, and do a complete inspection of the bike. Don't forget to 
include a tune-up in the 'inspection' ;-). Give _a copy of the bill_ from 
the shop to the truck driver. Also ask him for an extra 10-20% for your 
inconvenience, and etc. etc. Act real casual. If he turns tail, and thinks 
you're asking too much, act real casual, and so okay, doesn't matter to 
you, you're sure his insurance company will pay so either way you're going 
to get you're money. The key is to keep your cool, don't say anything 
derogatory about the guy no matter what he says or does (take a friend as a 
witness - just in case), and take his money.

At least he wasn't an asshole about trying to deny everything. Could've 
been worse. When that happened to my bike, no-one saw, and I ended up 
out-of-pocket. I don't know how you parked, but ever since that time, I 
*always* park my bike so that the back of the bike is lined up with the   
back of all the other cars. Never leave the front of the bike exposed. 
Stupid blind cagers who try to run over your bike are going to do *way* 
less damage if they bump the back vs. the front.

Stephen Dobson
-----Original Message-----
From:	Joe Siegrist [SMTP:iniquity@XXXXXX]
Sent:	Saturday, August 23, 1997 9:30 AM
To:	dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:	iniquity@XXXXXX
Subject:	My first accident(and I wasn't even there)

I left my '83 Honda Nighthawk in the motorcycle parking lot here at 
maryland
yesterday.  When I came out to ride home I noticed my right handle bar was
now facing straight up in the sky.  It was bent quite badly, the little 
dent
in the tank is now about 3/4 of an inch deep and across andd my rear break
pedal was not mobile.

Luckily aparently the College Park Police witnessed the accident and left 
me
a note.  I found out that a tractor-trailer backed over the edge of the 
front
tire.

I was able to pull the rear gear shift lever out enough to be useable and 
push
the right handle bar down enough to make riding uncomfortable but possible.

But I'm wondering if the metal gets weak from all this bending and if I 
should
have the handle bars replaced.   I have insurance information and this 
guy's
home phone (He wants to pay for it out of his own pocket because he has a 
CDL
and is afraid of losing his job apparently..)

Does anyone have any suggestions on a good place to take this (hopefully 
near
by?)  Dealing with insurance companies?  What to replace? (handle bars? 
tank?)

Thanks in advance,

Joe


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Hey there all.  Forgive me if something has already been planned.  I just
got back from a two week vacation in OK and haven't had a chance to weed
through all of 200 some odd messages.  The wife says that I can go riding
tomorrow so her and our son can get re-acquainted after the break.

SO...Anyone up for a spirited ride tomorrow morning?  I'd like to get all
the way out to the mountains, but I'm open to anything.  Bryan??? Alan???
Anyone????
Collin
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     Whoa.. something strange happened to me today.  I'm sitting peacefully 
     on the couch reading the newest Cycle World mag.  I turn the page and 
     start reading about Polaris' Victory cycle.  I'm loving the lines, and 
     look of the bike.  I'm wanting to settle myself on its seat and go 
     ride down Skyline Drive.  Gads, I'm thinking about not being a rice 
     jocky (well, not true.. cause my current bike is track-bound).  Maybe 
     it's old age that's setteling in on me, I mean... you know, 23 is 
     almost that time when I should start slowing down, and taking my time 
     with everything.  Well, maybe not, but this bike appeals to me.  The 
     $13K price tage doesn't do much for my hip pocket, but I'm considering 
     looking into one when they start making it into production full-time 
     in about a year.  Who knows, maybe I'll own a cruiser yet....
     
     
     Thoughtfully....
     
     
        Brian  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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In a message dated 97-08-23 21:37:43 EDT, bmccoy@XXXXXX writes:

>Maybe it's old age that's setteling in on me, I mean... you know, 23 is 
>almost that time when I should start slowing down...

Gawd!

I hope not!!

Is this what I have to look forward to when I get old???

Michael (52 next birthday) Jordan


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Why don't you just buy a barcolounger while you're at it? Take up golf. And
remember to
take your GeriTol every morning.
*8-)

Mike
1990 CeeBeeOne
_Keep the shiny side up._


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>    
>     Maybe it's old age that's setteling in on me, I mean... you know, 23 is 
>     almost that time when I should start slowing down, and taking my time 
>     with everything. 
>     
>        Brian  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f
>


   Tell ya what everybody. If someone holds the youngun down, Ill be happy
to beat him.  Old... 23.... uhuh..... slowin down....   <grumble>

Squeakers- already seen 23.


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     Greetings once again fellow e-mail/net enthusiasts,
     
        Well, people are finally getting back from late summer vacations 
     and wanting to get in some awesome rriding. so a ride was planned, 
     rather quickly I might add, for the D.C. area.  All was well, I show 
     up at the person I was organizing with at 9am... only person there.  
     We wait round for 40 minutes, and finally take off to see if someone's 
     at our meeting area.  We spot another rider I know going into the 
     parking lot... well, to make it short, a total of 9 people showed up - 
     everything seemed to be represented:
     Honda - 84 Magna V30
             86 VF500f
             ?? CBR9
     Yamaha - ?? FJ1200
              98 YZF1000
     Suzuki - 93 GSXR750
     Kawi -  ?? ZX11
     Aprilia - ?? 250
     
     It was a fairly slow pace heading out (west on 50 from near Tysons (I 
     think)).. and we could not win with the trucks.. we'd get by one, and 
     another would turn on at the end of the straight, right before a 
     curve.  We ended up stopping and hanging out at the bottom of a road 
     going over Skyline Drive for a few minutes, then headed up... only to 
     have the FJ lowside through a moderate right-hander - with the Magna 
     following almost in his footsteps.  I was right behind these two 
     gents, watched a rear tire light up, then looked through the corner 
     and kept going till I could slow it down and turn around.
     
        Ends up that the FJ lost traction on the rear (guessing he was 
     cranked over far enough to get the peg to level him off the road), 
     lowsided with the bike landing on his ankle (again, speculation) when 
     either broke it, or sprained it... I've yet to hear on this.  The 
     Magna just target fixated, he was following the rear tire of the FJ 
     and just panicked.  The FJ was pretty much toasted, and the Magna 
     dented the tank, broke the clutch and bent the handlebars (that's 
     about it).  He also tore his leg open pretty nicely.  This was 
     probably because of the guardrail - the overlapping piece must have 
     caught his leg, and dug in.  
     
        Anyway, this was all happening in a bad corner, and we weren't 
     about to try and move anyone.  Cars were coming up the way we had just 
     come.. tires squealing - thankfully none had old tires that lost 
     traction and spun out into our little gathering.  We also had some 
     people up the road on the otherside letting cars know to slow it down 
     (cornerworking on a non-race weekend again - sheesh).  The gent on the 
     Magna (my friend BTW) felt he could ride home with no problem if he 
     had a clutch lever.. which was graciously donated by the FJer.  a 
     little modification to the level, and it fit pretty well.  We then 
     took off to go get some gauze, tape, and antibacterial stuff.  Pretty 
     much rode it easy the rest of the way back.  I just came from his 
     place, and he was on the way to a clinic to have the cut looked at, 
     and probably stitched.
     
        Such a perfect day for a ride - it was maybe 70~75 degrees out, low 
     humidity, all the riders were good (no squids), and something 
     happened.  Sorry it had to happen, but my friend's convinced on 
     protection now (he was in jeans), and the FJer was probably saved a 
     lot of skin damage by his gear.  
     
     
     
        I hope everyone else made it through the day after that.  If anyone 
     on the DC-cycles list knows how the FJer is doing, I'd like to know.  
     
     
     Once again people, lets ride safe out there... ok?
     
     
        Brian McCoy  bmccoy@XXXXXX  86 VF500f



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Well had an absolutely great weekend and absolutely perfect weather to
Ride in,  Anyway, I met 11 other riders Saturday afternoon at 4 pm and
after getting a quick bite to eat, Ran up to the Hagerstown Speedway for
the AMA Grand National Dirt Track Series.  All I can say is it was
GREAT!!!!  If you have not had the chance to attend one of thes events
you really have to take the opportunity.  

	First off the show in the parking lot was an event in itself, with an
incredible variety of bikes and riders to watch.  The races themselves
were great, lots of bar to bar competition that although I've watched
plenty of times on Speedvision, theres nothing like being there. 
I could probably go on forever about this, but I'll keep it brief.  
Although it was great seeing Racers like Steve Moreland, who celebrated
his 42 nd birthday the day of the race staying competitive, Hell even
Springsteen is 40 , so maybe there hope for me yet.;)  Anyway Ride free,

		Ride Safe, 
		HDKnight

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Well, I'm back here at Virginia Tech.  Where the roads are fast and twisty
through the blue ridge mountains.  So I'll be signing off from DC-Cycles
mailing list until next summer.  However, if ever you all figure out when
the dc-cycles get together is going to be, please e-mail me personally.  I
head back to the DC Area quite often and just might be able to make it.

	Have a good 9 months and keep the rubber side down.  (unless of course you
hit a slick spot turning into a gas station and can't help it)

	Mitch

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From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" <bergie@XXXXXX>
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>         I hope everyone else made it through the day after that.  If
anyone 
>      on the DC-cycles list knows how the FJer is doing, I'd like to know.
 

We all made it back home fine, and Tom (FJ1200) who wrecked is also back 
home and okay.  Rich (900RR) and I (ZX11) went to the hospital with him and
he was there for several hours getting X-rays, etc.

Although in a neck brace and foot in a temporary cast, he's in good shape 
and attitude no worse for wear, he's ready to go back out as soon as his
bike
is repaired or replaced.  Turns out that nasty foot injury is torn
ligaments, nothing
is broken though.

The protective clothing (leather jacket, gloves, AGV boots, and protective 
riding pants with soft pads (not leather pants) made the critical
difference
in preventing major injury in this accident.

His pants wore though in several places, including the knee & knee pads,
where minor scapes on his right knee and leg resulted.  Without those pants
he would have probably been in much worse shape resulting from that slide.
IMHO if he had actually been wearing leather pants he would not even
have a scratch given the same circumstances. 

His gloves saved his hands, worn completely through on one palm.  Leather
jacket scraped and slightly torn, but not beyond repair, still in decent
shape.
Helmet barely touched the ground, with a slight scratch on the face shield
where he ended up touching the guard-rail at slow speed, without that full
face helmet, he probably would have seriously damaged his face (not that
he's not ugly enough already!)  :0)

After leaving the hospital we went back to the scene where the other riders
were still waiting for a truck to load the bike up and bring down the
mountain.
After loading, made a stop in Sterling for some riding, and then on to
Tom's
house to drop off his smashed FJ1200.

Ops, have to go, more later..
Berg/ZX11

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>     It was a fairly slow pace heading out (west on 50 from near Tysons (I 
>     think)).. and we could not win with the trucks.. we'd get by one, and 
>     another would turn on at the end of the straight, right before a 
>     curve.  We ended up stopping and hanging out at the bottom of a road 
>     going over Skyline Drive for a few minutes, then headed up... only to 
>     have the FJ lowside through a moderate right-hander - with the Magna 
>     following almost in his footsteps.  I was right behind these two 
>     gents, watched a rear tire light up, then looked through the corner 
>     and kept going till I could slow it down and turn around.
>     
>        Ends up that the FJ lost traction on the rear (guessing he was 
>     cranked over far enough to get the peg to level him off the road), 
>     lowsided with the bike landing on his ankle (again, speculation) when 
>     either broke it, or sprained it... I've yet to hear on this. 

Sounds like Rt. 211, going up Thornton Gap.  One of the first few right
hand turns is an uphill, blind, decreasing radius turn.  Easy to get caught
there if you're riding faster than you can see.

Sorry to hear about the wrecks.

Chris Norloff



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Louis wrote :

So what have been your experiences with these situations?  It was not 
marked "No Parking"  It was clearly outside of the range of the meter 
(according to all of the meter people I've spoken too).  In fact there 
used to be a white line painted to mark the end of the meter-zone, and 
we always parked our bikes outside of the line.  It has since faded 
and not been repainted.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Well I would get some paint and paint the line that used to be there and
maybe that would solve that problem, or maybe get a sign posted that says
motorcycle parking? just a thought.

Ck

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From: "Paul Douglas" <padoug@XXXXXX>
To: "Brian McCoy" <bmccoy@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Ack.. transformation of a sportbiker
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I'm glad to see that at least one sportbiker might consider moving over
into the slower lane and enjoy the scenery on a cruiser.  Taking curves at
50 and sitting straight up on a big twin isn't a bad way see the world go
by.  Besides, your tires last longer.  

I saw the Polaris, and it looks pretty sweet.  Nice enough to tempt allot
of crotch rocket types.  Although the price is pruddy steep for a new-comer
in the motorcycle market.  Maybe after they get production up and running
they will try to match the prices of the Jap cruisers.  But then, maybe
not.  

Paul Douglas
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>>     in about a year.  Who knows, maybe I'll own a cruiser yet....
     
    In two years he will be eating ice cream at the Dairy Queen with a bunch of Gold Wingers!

ASSIMILATION IS INEVITABLE! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

BWHAA-HA-HA-HA

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    Attention Crimestoppers-

    Due to some unforseen scheduling conflicts, I will
    NOT be able to host a dc cycle scrumfest at my place
    on September 13th. It was (I thought) an open date.

    My sincere apologies for any inconveniences. God willin'
    and we able, there may be a rescheduling.

    Dave Choat
    1.301.422.8946

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     booo... hsssss... booooo....  
     
     
        I need some scum in my life, and I ain't gonna get it.
     
     
     
     Brian



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So what's the plan guys and gals.  Are we re scheduling it or is someone
else going to host it?

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna (recovering)

>
>    Attention Crimestoppers-
>
>    Due to some unforseen scheduling conflicts, I will
>    NOT be able to host a dc cycle scrumfest at my place
>    on September 13th. It was (I thought) an open date.
>
>    My sincere apologies for any inconveniences. God willin'
>    and we able, there may be a rescheduling.
>

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Uh, Brian ... that would be scRum.  

But, hey, if it works ...

Later,
chris
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Christopher A. Meier  
meierch@XXXXXX
Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA
1994 RF900R  AMA #470094
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>
>
>     booo... hsssss... booooo....  
>     
>     
>        I need some scum in my life, and I ain't gonna get it.
>     
>     
>     
>     Brian
>
>

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Subject: ligament repair (no MC content)

For Todd and others who have damaged ligaments (and farings), I offer the
following information -no guarantees, of course, just info :-)

Prolotherapy is a newer, alternative treatment for people with lax ligaments
and tendons. Basically, an injection inflames the tissue and spurs a healing
reaction. The tissue knits back together stronger than before. The injection
itself is a nutrient solution that feeds the repair.

Ideally you go for a series of shots, each pretty mild. Since Dr. Rind only
had one shot (ha ha) at me, he really socked it to both my knees and an
ankle. OUCH!

Too soon to tell if it's worked for me, but my dad is extremely pleased with
his results. 

In case you're wondering if I know what the hell I'm talking about, I'm a
certified Personal Trainer. My mother is a Nurse Practitioner (btwn RN and
MD) and used to work for Rind. She is now also a Doctor of Naturopathy. She
says the prolotherapy is good stuff. :-)

Dr. Rind is one of the few people in the DC area doing this - he is very
alternative and is an Osteopath on top of his MD. *Very* talented guy. He is
at the Health Management Institute, 11140 Rockville Pike, Ste 550, Rockville,
MD
(301) 816-3000. He doesn't know I'm posting this, but I think it's a better
idea than orthoscopic surgery - less invasive, less expensive, and frankly,
the ortho didn't work for me. 

Email me if you have any questions!!

Sharon

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Subject: Re: ligament repair (no MC content)

>For Todd and others who have damaged ligaments (and farings), I offer the
>following information -no guarantees, of course, just info :-)
>
>Prolotherapy is a newer, alternative treatment for people with lax ligaments
>and tendons. Basically, an injection inflames the tissue and spurs a healing
>reaction.


Injury causes local inflamation, why injecting additional material would be
helpful is not clear.  Inflammation involves the activity of enzymes,
proteins which eat other proteins.  This is followed by scarring, a process
by which fibroblasts lay down a disorganized matrix, usually of very
limited strength.  Limiting inflammation usually improves healing.

>
>Ideally you go for a series of shots, each pretty mild. Since Dr. Rind only
>had one shot (ha ha) at me, he really socked it to both my knees and an
>ankle. OUCH!

Series of shots always bother me.  You just need one more... and at what cost.


>
>Too soon to tell if it's worked for me, but my dad is extremely pleased with
>his results.

Arthroscopy has been proven to work in large clinical trials.  The
successes far outway the failures.


>
>In case you're wondering if I know what the hell I'm talking about, I'm a
>certified Personal Trainer. My mother is a Nurse Practitioner (btwn RN and
>MD) and used to work for Rind. She is now also a Doctor of Naturopathy. She
>says the prolotherapy is good stuff. :-)
>

My training is limited to a B.A. in biology,
	a M.S. in cell biology and neuroscience,
	a Ph.D. in neuroscience and developmental neurobiology,
	a M.D. from New York University (AOA-top 1%)
	and now have completed 4 out of 7 years in Residency for Neurosurgery.
(Not to be egotistical, but I think my training trumps the Doctor of
Naturopathy)

>Dr. Rind is one of the few people in the DC area doing this

I Believe this.


>.  He is <snip>
>at the Health Management Institute, 11140 Rockville Pike, Ste 550, Rockville,
>MD
>(301) 816-3000. He doesn't know I'm posting this, but I think it's a better
>idea than orthoscopic surgery - less invasive, less expensive, and frankly,
>the ortho didn't work for me.


Who did it?  Private Practice Doc or Major Academic Doc. Anybody want
recommendations, I know several dedicated and highly qualified orthopaedic
surgeons.  All who have completed over 10 years of intense training and
education.


>
>Email me if you have any questions!!


Ditto.


>
>Sharon

Sorry Sharon, but I have seen many people hurt by "alternative medicine".
Some such as acupuncture have excellent track records and years of research
behind them.  Others are designed to make certain individuals very wealthy.

Futhermore,  I myself perform none of the above procedures and have nothing
to gain from people having or not having any of the above procedures.  I
hope this does not start a major flame war, sorry for the total lack of MC
content.

Anyway she started it Nah, nah  =8-P

regards,
charles


==================================================================
Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD
Department of Neurosurgery		4940 Ashby Street, NW
George Washington University		Washington DC 20007
School of Medicine			(202) 337-0745
2150 Pennsylvania Avenue		crosen@XXXXXX
Washington DC 20037
Page: (202) 994-3321
Fax:  (202) 994-9944



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> My training is limited to a B.A. in biology,
> 	a M.S. in cell biology and neuroscience,
> 	a Ph.D. in neuroscience and developmental neurobiology,
> 	a M.D. from New York University (AOA-top 1%)
> 	and now have completed 4 out of 7 years in Residency for
> Neurosurgery.
> 
> 
This is all good, but more importantly can you ride a motorcycle?

Just kidding :)

Amit
CBR1000

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For anyone interested,  on something else to do that date, the
Shenandoah Valley Mustang Club is holding a Classic car, Mustang and
Motorcycle show  at Jim Barnett Park in Winchester on Saturday evening
9/13.  For those who dont know the park is just off Rt 50 in Winchester,
just W of I 81.
I understand that this is their first year for bikes, but theyve always
had a beautiful collection of classic cars in previous years.

			HDKnight

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  Hello all,
     Just figured I'd give everyone a heads up on the latest doings of
the local constabulary.Yesterday on the Beltway I saw an unmarked car
on the MD side that I never would've tagged for a cop;an old blue Dodge
van.The lights were concealed in the grill and I didn't see any extra
tell-tale antennas.Keep an eye out folks,they're getting sneeky.
     Also on the subject,going east on Rt50 just off the Beltway(@5:15pm)
I saw a guy on a black cruiser w/black jacket and helmet pulled over by 
a MD State Trooper.Anyone here?


The official BuellBoy Genes model.

gnissley@XXXXXX   GATB#1121   HSB#38DT  

Buell S1 Lightning  "The Pretty Hate Machine"




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I hope this does not start a major flame war, sorry for the total lack of
MC content.

Ok Charles. I guess we can forgive you, as long as you have a motorcycle
that is.  ;-)

Steve Beck, Motorcycle rider
Planet Earth



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From: Kirk Roy <ROYK@XXXXXX>
Subject: Twisty moto ride this Saturday
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Yo,

I'm planning on heading down to the US33/US250 twisties this Saturday. If
anyone wants to come along just let me know. It's a bit less than 450 miles
out and back for me from College Park. I realize it's a holiday weekend
but...the rides must go on. The express route (interstates) or the scenic
route (VA647, VA511, US211) to and from the twisties can be decided upon by
anyone who shows up. Get together something like 9:00am at the rest stop on
I-66 (or at my house a bit earlier for those to the NE).

Let me know if you're interested.

Kirk
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From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Tires/Again!
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I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire.

Conversation with Coleman Powersport:

Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
C:   Got it in stock, $145
Me:  Does that include Install?
C:   Talk to service.
Me:  Wait, are there any discounts for AMA?
C:   10%, brings it to $130.50.  Hold for Service.
Me:  (waiting for about 20minutes).
C:   Service.
Me:  If I bought a tire there, how much to mount?
C:   $27.50, basic charge includes balancing.
Me:  Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there?
C:   That is the discount.
Me:  How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel?
C:   $47.
Me:  What!!?..forget it..(click)

          Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax

Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories:

Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
Art: Don't have it but can get it.
Me:  How much with mounting and balancing?
Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164)
Me:  Can't you come down a little on that?
Art: That's a good price.
Me:  Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in?
Art: I won't do that.  Gotta buy it here.
Me:  Not even for $27?
Art: Nobody does that!
Me:  Nice not doing business with you! ..(click)

          Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax

     Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire,
have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140.  Chapperal
sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100.  That
seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it
to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee).  What I would prefer
is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable
price.

     Any help is appreciated.

Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
+---------------------------+---------------+


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From: Sandy TRIOLO <TRIOLOS@XXXXXX>
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Subject:  Re: Tires/Again!

Call Meyers Cycle in Kensington MD and see what they charge, I have had them mount tires on rims and I didn't buy the tire from them, can't remember the price.


sandy
87 hurricane 600
85 Virago 1000

>>> Todd B Peer <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX> 08/27 10:56 AM >>>

I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire.

Conversation with Coleman Powersport:

Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
C:   Got it in stock, $145
Me:  Does that include Install?
C:   Talk to service.
Me:  Wait, are there any discounts for AMA?
C:   10%, brings it to $130.50.  Hold for Service.
Me:  (waiting for about 20minutes).
C:   Service.
Me:  If I bought a tire there, how much to mount?
C:   $27.50, basic charge includes balancing.
Me:  Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there?
C:   That is the discount.
Me:  How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel?
C:   $47.
Me:  What!!?..forget it..(click)

          Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax

Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories:

Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
Art: Don't have it but can get it.
Me:  How much with mounting and balancing?
Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164)
Me:  Can't you come down a little on that?
Art: That's a good price.
Me:  Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in?
Art: I won't do that.  Gotta buy it here.
Me:  Not even for $27?
Art: Nobody does that!
Me:  Nice not doing business with you! ..(click)

          Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax

     Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire, have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140.  Chapperal sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100.  That seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee).  What I would prefer is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable price.

     Any help is appreciated.

Todd  +---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
+---------------------------+---------------+

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           


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> what better way to finish out the month of aug than with a cams ride!
> 
> as usual, we'll meet at the silver diner on west ox rd in fairfax for
> breakfast from 0800-0900.  [for the new cams, here are directions:
> beltway to i-66w.  exit rt 50 west and go <1 mi to west ox road SOUTH
> exit.  go through about 3-4 lights and the diner will be on ur left.
> u'll have to make a left turn on fair lakes drive to get into the pkg
> lot.]
> 
I'd love to join the ride, but some !@#$% who at least left his insurance info
backed into my bike IN THE PARKING LOT!!! where it usually is parked.

So I now have no left turn light, no left mirror no clutch lever and the
glass in my faring is gone.

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

JeffP

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Try Freestate in Bladensburg, MD (near College Park).  They mounted my
last set of tires, and I found them to be the cheapest in the area.
They wouldn't match mail order prices of course, but came down a good
bit from their first price.  A BIG difference from Coleman's price.  

FWIW, I have used Freestate for tires, and factory services, and find
them worth the drive.

Also, aren't you in Springfield?  Have you tried the Cycle Sport down by
you?

Later,
chris

BTW, Freestate's number is 301.779.0800
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Christopher A. Meier  
meierch@XXXXXX
Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA
1994 RF900R  AMA #470094
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>----------
>From: 	Todd B Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, August 27, 1997 10:56 AM
>To: 	dc-cycles
>Subject: 	Tires/Again!
>
>
>I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire.

--snip--

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Todd, tire buying for bikes sure does suck doesn't it?

>
>
>I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire.
>
>Conversation with Coleman Powersport:
>
>Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
>C:   Got it in stock, $145
>Me:  Does that include Install?
>C:   Talk to service.
>Me:  Wait, are there any discounts for AMA?
>C:   10%, brings it to $130.50.  Hold for Service.
>Me:  (waiting for about 20minutes).
>C:   Service.
>Me:  If I bought a tire there, how much to mount?
>C:   $27.50, basic charge includes balancing.
>Me:  Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there?
>C:   That is the discount.
>Me:  How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel?
>C:   $47.
>Me:  What!!?..forget it..(click)
>
>          Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax

Coleman mounted mine that I bought from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse
for $28 just about a month ago.  Cycle Sport in Springfield also quoted
me the exact same price.  Maybe you got an idiot on the phone.

>
>Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories:
>
>Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
>Art: Don't have it but can get it.
>Me:  How much with mounting and balancing?
>Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164)
>Me:  Can't you come down a little on that?
>Art: That's a good price.
>Me:  Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in?
>Art: I won't do that.  Gotta buy it here.
>Me:  Not even for $27?
>Art: Nobody does that!
>Me:  Nice not doing business with you! ..(click)
>
>          Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax

Art's a nice guy when you get to know him but he rapes people for tires.
 I swore I wouldn't buy another one from him but I might have to when I
start doing test fits for radials on my bike.  I don't know why he
doesn't want to make an extra buck mounting someone else's tire.
>
>     Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire,
>have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140.  Chapperal
>sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100.  That
>seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it
>to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee).  What I would prefer
>is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable
>price.

Good luck on this one.  Your best bet is to just order the thing and
call Coleman on another day or just go to Cycle Sport in Springfield to
have it mounted.


Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX
84 V30 Magna

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At 10:56 AM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>

>
>     Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire,
>have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140.  Chapperal
>sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100.  That
>seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it
>to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee).  What I would prefer
>is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable
>price.
>

  I faced the same problem with my ZX-11 trying to put on a new pair of
Battlax's.  Basically, all the places add a significant surcharge when you
don't buy the tire at the place.  I was so annoyed, I decided to buy the
tires mail order from a place I had previously had a very good experience
with, then having them mounted at Cycles USA in Kensington.   
  The bigger tragedy was that I only had about 2000 miles on the tires when
I picked up a nail in the rear.  There was just something about going >120
mph on a plugged tired that unsettle me.

Harry
Bethesda, MD

'97 BMW R1100RT
'93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen)


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I'm trying to get in touch with someone I met briefly last week 8/19 
evening in the HOV lanes of 395 when we both stopped to help a disabled 
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Are you installing it on a tube or tubeless rim?
Take the wheel off, come on over to my house and we'll have that pup 
mounted in about ten minutes. Screw the dealers, they know just where to 
put in the needles.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"





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Have you considered doing it yourself?  A set of spoons from Coleman was
under $20.  I got some weights at Fast Lane Cycles for a few bucks
more.  If you have painted wheels, you might need something to keep from
chipping the paint.  Since it sounds like you don't want to pay anyone
else to do it, try it yourself and see if it's worth it to have someone
else do it.  If you don't feel comfortable the first time, bring it by,
along with some beer and I'll be happy to supervise while you do the
work.

Leon.

Todd B Peer wrote:

> I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire.
>
>
>      Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire,
> have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140.
> Chapperal
> sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100.  That
> seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it
> to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee).  What I would prefer
> is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable
> price.
>
>      Any help is appreciated.




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     Freestate does have good prices on mount&balance - personaly, I buy my 
     tires through the Motorcycle Shop in College Park and have them do the 
     mount & balance bit for me.. I can usualy keep it arroun $100 with 
     them (I've good relationship with them, several hundred spent there.. 
     they give me cost on tires, and about 10-15 on mount and balance).  I 
     think that you're pretty much going to pay a premium at a shop the 
     first several times you shop there... as you become more familiar, the 
     prices become a bit flexable.. and when everyone knows you when you 
     walk in, the prices become as low as they get... (talking local shops 
     here).  
     
     To each their own, and as always YMMV
     
     Ride safe,
     
        Brian


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Subject: Tires/Again!
Author:  "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX> at smtplink-micros
Date:    8/27/97 10:00 AM


     
I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire.
     
Conversation with Coleman Powersport:
     
Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
C:   Got it in stock, $145
Me:  Does that include Install?
C:   Talk to service.
Me:  Wait, are there any discounts for AMA?
C:   10%, brings it to $130.50.  Hold for Service. 
Me:  (waiting for about 20minutes).
C:   Service.
Me:  If I bought a tire there, how much to mount? 
C:   $27.50, basic charge includes balancing.
Me:  Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there? 
C:   That is the discount.
Me:  How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel? 
C:   $47.
Me:  What!!?..forget it..(click)
     
          Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax
     
Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories:
     
Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
Art: Don't have it but can get it.
Me:  How much with mounting and balancing? 
Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164) 
Me:  Can't you come down a little on that? 
Art: That's a good price.
Me:  Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in? 
Art: I won't do that.  Gotta buy it here.
Me:  Not even for $27?
Art: Nobody does that!
Me:  Nice not doing business with you! ..(click)
     
          Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax
     
     Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire,
have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140.  Chapperal 
sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100.  That 
seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it
to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee).  What I would prefer 
is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable 
price.
     
     Any help is appreciated.
     
Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+ 
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  | 
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  | 
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  | 
+---------------------------+---------------+
     
     



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	Can/would anyone explain to me why such high $$$$ for motorcycle 
tires?  Is it liability?  Higher technology than car tires?  (It's 
definitely less rubber)  Anyone?

--John

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Hey I like the list the more I read.  We now have a free tire mounting
service ;-)

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna



>Are you installing it on a tube or tubeless rim?
>Take the wheel off, come on over to my house and we'll have that pup 
>mounted in about ten minutes. Screw the dealers, they know just where to 
>put in the needles.
>
>
>
>

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Last time I had tires done by The Dirt Shop it was 25.00 per tire.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tires/Again!
From:    "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX> at ddn
Date:    27/8/1997  10:56 AM


I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire.

Conversation with Coleman Powersport:

Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
C:   Got it in stock, $145
Me:  Does that include Install?
C:   Talk to service.
Me:  Wait, are there any discounts for AMA?
C:   10%, brings it to $130.50.  Hold for Service.
Me:  (waiting for about 20minutes).
C:   Service.
Me:  If I bought a tire there, how much to mount?
C:   $27.50, basic charge includes balancing.
Me:  Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there?
C:   That is the discount.
Me:  How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel?
C:   $47.
Me:  What!!?..forget it..(click)

          Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax

Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories:

Me:  Need an ME33 110/80v-18
Art: Don't have it but can get it.
Me:  How much with mounting and balancing?
Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164)
Me:  Can't you come down a little on that?
Art: That's a good price.
Me:  Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in?
Art: I won't do that.  Gotta buy it here.
Me:  Not even for $27?
Art: Nobody does that!
Me:  Nice not doing business with you! ..(click)

          Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax

     Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire,
have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140.  Chapperal
sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100.  That
seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it
to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee).  What I would prefer
is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable
price.

     Any help is appreciated.

Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
+---------------------------+---------------+


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I agree, dealers know exactly where to put the needles...

    David Choat, Visionary                  
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    '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten)

    It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Tire mounting
From:    "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" <Dysart@XXXXXX> at ddn
Date:    27/8/1997  1:39 PM

Hey I like the list the more I read.  We now have a free tire mounting
service ;-)

Glenn Dysart
DysarGB@XXXXXX

84 V30 Magna



>Are you installing it on a tube or tubeless rim?
>Take the wheel off, come on over to my house and we'll have that pup 
>mounted in about ten minutes. Screw the dealers, they know just where to 
>put in the needles.
>
>
>
>

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Here's how it goes. Old tire is dead, so we don't really care about it. 
You want to protect the rim from damage. Work on a piece of plywood so 
that you aviod dinging the rim. Deflate the tire completely, pressing out 
all the air that you can. Next, get a block of wood, about 1x2x12" and a 
mallet. Place the wheel so that the rim is firmly supported, you may need 
to block it up w/ 2x4s. Use the wood block and mallet to bang the bead 
off the seat and into the groove. Flip wheel and do same to other side. 
Tire is loose on rim. Using a wide pry bar, or better yet, tire 
spoon...work the tire off the rim, one bead at a time. Toss tire in the 
tipper, or save it for lawn art.
Make up a solution of dish soap and water. Wet the rim and the tire. 
Install one bead of tire on rim, be sure its in the groove. Use tire 
lever gently if necessary. Repeat for side two. Go to the gas station and 
use the air compressor to inflate the tire. It will pop itself onto the 
seats. Now you can have it balanced.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"





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I have three bike tires unbalanced and know of 5 bikes with unbalanced
tires.  We have never had any problems.  one bike has seen track use the
other has seen !65 mph (indicated). We have never had any shaking. What
is the point of balancing?

Adams, Bill wrote:

> Here's how it goes. Old tire is dead, so we don't really care about
> it.
> You want to protect the rim from damage. Work on a piece of plywood so
>
> that you aviod dinging the rim. Deflate the tire completely, pressing
> out
> all the air that you can. Next, get a block of wood, about 1x2x12" and
> a
> mallet. Place the wheel so that the rim is firmly supported, you may
> need
> to block it up w/ 2x4s. Use the wood block and mallet to bang the bead
>
> off the seat and into the groove. Flip wheel and do same to other
> side.
> Tire is loose on rim. Using a wide pry bar, or better yet, tire
> spoon...work the tire off the rim, one bead at a time. Toss tire in
> the
> tipper, or save it for lawn art.
> Make up a solution of dish soap and water. Wet the rim and the tire.
> Install one bead of tire on rim, be sure its in the groove. Use tire
> lever gently if necessary. Repeat for side two. Go to the gas station
> and
> use the air compressor to inflate the tire. It will pop itself onto
> the
> seats. Now you can have it balanced.
>
> Bill Adams
> 3D Artist/Animator
> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"




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Subject: Tires/Again!..Thanks
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..To everyone who responded.

I called Fast Lane, Meyers, and other suggested locals and the best
deal I found was with Cycle Accessory Discounter 301-977-7188.

     $115 - Tire
     $ 15 - Mount.
     $130 - Total

Not bad.  But they're in Gaithersburg >:{  So, I went ahead and ordered
from Chaparral @ $97 in the mail, and will attempt to do the mounting
myself.  The verdict is still out on balancing though.

Seriously, is there any need to balance wheels?

Thanks again

Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
+---------------------------+---------------+


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From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Big Labor Day Weekend.
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And if you have the time and nothing to do.......

Anyone interested in going to the Rawling Dirt Drags this weekend for 
Saturday night races and camping?  The event is 8 miles south of
Cumberland Md. on Route 220.

We will be heading out from my house Saturday morning @10am sharp, and
will be heading back sometime on Sunday.  I live in W.Springfield VA,
so if you live on the way, we'll stop by and pick you up.

Email me directly if'n yer interested.

Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
+---------------------------+---------------+
         "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it
            would be no life at all"  -  Hans Hass

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Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches,
leds, etc..  I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker
switch with a 1"x1" face plate.  The switch is _not_ water proof as
I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed,
allowed current draw and drained the battery).

Web Sites?  Places close to DC Area?

Thanks,
Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
+---------------------------+---------------+


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Ivan,

	About 15 miles N of Winchester, Between Inwood and Summit Point

		HDKnight


Ivan S. Keefer wrote:

> Hey Ken,
> 
>         I live about 12 miles west of Winc., where are you?
> 
> Seeya down the road...
> 
> --
> Ivan S. Keefer
> Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*)
> ivank@XXXXXX
> 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current)
> 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous)
> AMA # 487634  International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 29
> Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html

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Subject: Re: Tires Again ---$$$$

In a message dated 97-08-27 13:45:14 EDT, you write:

<< why such high $$$$ for motorcycle 
 tires?   >>

John-

Tires for modern sport and sport/tour motorcycle are very high tech and very
high performance.  Compared to tires for a new Corvette or Porsche,
motorcycle tires are cheap.  Ultra hi performance car tires are $200-$500
each.  And BTW, the car tires may not last much longer than ours.  2000-6000
miles for rear tires on the Acura NSX, 6000-10000 for Porsche 911.

Motorcycles are harder to get the wheels off of than cars.  The people that
do the work should be much more knowledgable and better paid than the tire
guy at Kmart.  Motorcycle tires are harder to mount than car tires.   The
tires are made in small volumes and the shops put them on in small volumes.
 And I bet we motorcyclists are pickier about scratches on our wheels than
the average car owner.  Liability could be an issue too.

Later
Kevin

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Hey guys, probably because its the best damm riding in the East not far
from here... I love living in the middle of Dale Coyners book.  

	Unfortunately except for Friday , wont be doing any other riding this
weekend.  Bot September looks great.

			HDKnight

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Hello, All!

I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list.  I'm a relatively new
rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've
logged thus far.  However, I have a problem with the response I often
get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles.

Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly
everyone says "Oh....a <friend, wife, aunt, father, mother, husband,
child, uncle> was <killed, injured, maimed, mutilated> while riding."
Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?

Thanks...

Steve Miller
1996 Suzuki GS500E




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Try "Well, maybe they should have stuck to cages," as you fry tire and
wheelie away across the parking lot!


----------
From: 	Stephen J. Miller[SMTP:sjm@XXXXXX]
Sent: 	Wednesday, August 27, 1997 9:49 PM
To: 	dc cylces
Subject: 	fairly new rider

Hello, All!

I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list.  I'm a relatively new
rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've
logged thus far.  However, I have a problem with the response I often
get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles.

Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly
everyone says "Oh....a <friend, wife, aunt, father, mother, husband,
child, uncle> was <killed, injured, maimed, mutilated> while riding."
Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?

Thanks...

Steve Miller
1996 Suzuki GS500E





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Yeah, we've probably all heard that one before.

You can try sarcasm (occasionally interpreted as crassness):
-Were they killed?
 (Yes) Cool. I hope they buried 'em with their bike. I wanna be buried
with my bike!
 (No) Too bad. The good ones always seem to get away.

You can try wit:
-Really. My grandfather died of old age, and he rode a motorcycle 'til
the day before he died.

You can try being drole:
- Yeah, living life to the fullest can really hamper your existence.

You can ignore the ignoramus:
- Last Sunday, after a great ride on my MOTORCYCLE, I went out for
dinner with a friend, and we had a really good time discussing how we
have totally different approaches to yard work.

You can try the Dali approach:
- All I need is wind to fill my sail, and a church to seek on Sunday.

My favourite response is (Called changing the subject):
Yeah, riding is much more challenging than driving a car. You have to be
very aware of what's going on around you at all times. If you're staring
at the countryside, you're surely asking for trouble. Car drivers don't
often appreciate how challenging it is to ride a motorcycle until they
try it, and experience the rewards too. Say, would you like me to take
you for a ride on my motorcycle. There's this really good course on
learning to ride offered by _______, I took the course, and I recommend
it to everyone.

This usually shuts everyone up. If they continue on, about the hazards
of motorcycling, just explain to them why motorcycles are inherently
more stable with greater speed due to the increased rotational momentum
in the rims. A little physics will usually shut up the remaining hard
core anti-bike nazi's.

Thereafter you may have to resort to some kind of alternative medicine
like injecting a nutritional cocktail of inflamatory substances into
their joints until they feel better. Ooops. I hope I don't offend anyone
with that.

Stephen
'88 Hawk, '89 Hawk, '85 XL600, 85 Impala Interceptor

Stephen J. Miller wrote:
> 
> Hello, All!
> 
> I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list.  I'm a relatively new
> rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've
> logged thus far.  However, I have a problem with the response I often
> get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles.
> 
> Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly
> everyone says "Oh....a <friend, wife, aunt, father, mother, husband,
> child, uncle> was <killed, injured, maimed, mutilated> while riding."
> Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Steve Miller
> 1996 Suzuki GS500E

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<<snip>>
>Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly
>everyone says "Oh....a <friend, wife, aunt, father, mother, husband,
>child, uncle> was <killed, injured, maimed, mutilated> while riding."
>Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?

     Tell them your glad your not related.  

     Seriously though, I know what you mean.  Since your a newbie, 
     your feeling a bit defensive.  You know why you ride and 
     (hopefully) understand the risks.

     If your really want to get into it with them, start picking at
     what they do that might be risky, right down to smoking cigs (no
     flames you cancer magnets).

     Todd
     +---------------------------+---------------+
     | ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
     | CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
     | VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
     +---------------------------+---------------+
         "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it
            would be no life at all"  -  Hans Hass

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<< injecting a nutritional cocktail of inflamatory substances into
their joints >>

(said like Homer Simpson) - Ooooo, inflamatory substances in my joint.
                              everything looks funny Marge.

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From: "Gil M. Nissley" <gnissley@XXXXXX>
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  Ignore the goofballs with their dead relative stories.When people 
tell me them,I tell them about all the times when riding a bike
_saved_ my life.One that comes to mind was the time in England when
I came around a blind curve to find 2 bone-heads stopped in the middle 
of the road talking to each other.There was a hedge on one side and
an embankment on the other so I threaded the needle between their cars
and just sqeaked through.If I'd have been it a cage,it would've been
a nasty three-car-pileup cause there was no way I could've stopped
in time(and I was only doing about 35).The funny part is,I looked
back and both drivers were giving me dirty looks!
  I have noticed that since being stationed in the DC area,I've met
more people who think I'm crazy to ride around here.The traffic is
horrible,and people do not respect bikes,but I'd rather have the small
size and maneuverability of a bike to keep me out of tight spots.


The official BuellBoy Genes model.

gnissley@XXXXXX   GATB#1121   HSB#38DT  

Buell S1 Lightning  "The Pretty Hate Machine"








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Jeez, just buy the tire mail order, and mount it yourself.  It is very
simple to do, requires tools you should have on your bike already.  The
biggest pain being to lift the front end.  Balancing can be done through a
number of "low-tech"  methods, and is usually identical to anything done
by most of these morons at a bike dealership. 

If doing it yourself isn't worth your time, then the difference from one
dealer to the next shouldn't matter much.  

Don't bother with flames, I really don't care.

-jimi


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>Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches,
>leds, etc..  I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker
>switch with a 1"x1" face plate.  The switch is _not_ water proof as
>I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed,
>allowed current draw and drained the battery).
>
>Web Sites?  Places close to DC Area?
>
>Thanks,
>Todd
>+---------------------------+---------------+
>| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
>| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
>| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
>+---------------------------+---------------+

Try Boats USA on Nicholson Lane in Rockville.  They have a pretty complete
line of marine hardware, including stainless clamps as found on many
aftermarket exhaust systems.

Al
level_5_ltd@XXXXXX



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Steve --

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Stephen J. Miller wrote:

> Hello, All!
> 
> I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list.  I'm a relatively new
> rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've
> logged thus far.  However, I have a problem with the response I often
> get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles.

I think if you'd just stop riding through the library everything would 
work out fine.  :-)

> Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly
> everyone says "Oh....a <friend, wife, aunt, father, mother, husband,
> child, uncle> was <killed, injured, maimed, mutilated> while riding."
> Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?

It kind of depends on the loading of their remark -- I've heard this at times
as concern and at other times judgementally.  If it seems appropriate I'll
ask for the circumstances.  By studying wipeouts I learn how to avoid 'em... 

OTOH, judgemental remarks come from fear, mainly.  
Much messier stuff to deal with. 
Recommend the MSF class if they have a lot of energy wrapped up in it...

Pete.

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From: Garcia Oliver <garicao@XXXXXX>
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A couple of minor suggestions:

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Adams, Bill wrote:

> Here's how it goes. Old tire is dead, so we don't really care about it. 
> You want to protect the rim from damage. Work on a piece of plywood so 
> that you aviod dinging the rim. Deflate the tire completely, pressing out 
> all the air that you can. Next, get a block of wood, about 1x2x12" and a 
> mallet. Place the wheel so that the rim is firmly supported, you may need 
> to block it up w/ 2x4s. Use the wood block and mallet to bang the bead 
> off the seat and into the groove. Flip wheel and do same to other side. 

An alternative is a big c-clamp.  Another is to drive over the tire 
(preferably not the rim) with a car tire.


> Tire is loose on rim. Using a wide pry bar, or better yet, tire 
> spoon...

This is a good time to lubricate tire/rim.  Soap & water works; an 
alternative is (non-abrasive) hand cleaner.

> work the tire off the rim, one bead at a time. Toss tire in the 
> tipper, or save it for lawn art.
> Make up a solution of dish soap and water. Wet the rim and the tire. 
> Install one bead of tire on rim, be sure its in the groove. Use tire 
> lever gently if necessary. Repeat for side two. Go to the gas station and 
> use the air compressor to inflate the tire. It will pop itself onto the 
> seats.

Except the one time in twenty when it just WON'T.


> Now you can have it balanced.
> 
> Bill Adams
> 3D Artist/Animator
> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"


--garcia

"Practicing the recent occidental art of wrench-ing"

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.  The switch is _not_ water proof as
> I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed,
> allowed current draw and drained the battery).
> 
> Web Sites?  Places close to DC Area?
> 
> Thanks,
> Todd
>> Go to your local 4 wheel drive shop and I think you'l find what you want, forget any boat shops, might as well buy airplane switches, bout 
the same price YIKE                   
                                            Ted

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Arlington Electric, on Lee Highway between Rosslynn and Balston Commons.  One of the best general electronics stores I have ever been in.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Todd B Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX]
Sent:	Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:09 PM
To:	dc-cycles; st1100
Subject:	Electrics


Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches,
leds, etc..  I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker
switch with a 1"x1" face plate.  The switch is _not_ water proof as
I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed,
allowed current draw and drained the battery).

Web Sites?  Places close to DC Area?

Thanks,
Todd 
+---------------------------+---------------+
| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
| VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
+---------------------------+---------------+




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I have just re-entered the community of motorcyclist after about =
15years.  I logged a whole lotta miles and hours on various Xcross and =
Enduro style Japanese bikes and one Husqvarna whilst a teenager, totaled =
my last one, and just bought the bike I wanted since I was 13, a 76 =
Triumph Bonnieville T140V.  So, I've started to ride again, (slowly but =
surely, every time out a little faster, a little farther, learning the =
bike).  Now, I know that I have to look like a RUB, and may even be one, =
but what I want to know is just what the hell is a RUB?


TIA
rwj

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Steve,
  Welcome to the club.  I get similar responses though often more emphatic
given my profession.  I have the following responses, ranging from
ridiculous to serious, depending on the audience.

  1.  "Motorcycles are dangerous?  You know, you're the first person ever
to tell me that!"

  2.  (In response to, "It's not you, it's the other drivers who get you),
"The art of motorcycling is riding as though other drivers are actively
trying to kill you."

  3.  "Statistically, when done safely, motorcycling is no more dangerous
than any other dangerous sport like skiing or scuba diving... do you ski?"


  Oddly, these people have given me a strange empathy for smokers who must
contend with complete strangers harrassing them and saying, "Don't you know
those things can kill you?"
  Ride safe and be safe.  Take the MSF course and never ride without proper
protective gear.
  Remember, as Ken Pirsig wrote, motorcycling is primarily a mental
phenomenon.  

Harry
Bethesda, MD

'97 BMW R1100RT
'93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen)

At 09:49 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello, All!
>
>I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list.  I'm a relatively new
>rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've
>logged thus far.  However, I have a problem with the response I often
>get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles.
>
>Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly
>everyone says "Oh....a <friend, wife, aunt, father, mother, husband,
>child, uncle> was <killed, injured, maimed, mutilated> while riding."
>Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?
>
>Thanks...
>
>Steve Miller
>1996 Suzuki GS500E
>
>
>
>


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From: "Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD" <crosen@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB

Rich Urban Biker....
New Harley,  Rides for show only.  Bike is yet another prop to help fulfill
a life that despite gobs of money still feels empty.

As to owning a blockhead, I am waiting another 5-10 years, figure there are
gonna be a whole bunch of low mileage, collectible softtails being dumped
on the market.

As long as you ride and enjoy, you'll never be a RUB.

regards and be carfeul reaquiring your instincts.
-charles


==================================================================
Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD
Department of Neurosurgery		4940 Ashby Street, NW
George Washington University		Washington DC 20007
School of Medicine			(202) 337-0745
2150 Pennsylvania Avenue		crosen@XXXXXX
Washington DC 20037
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>Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches,
>leds, etc..  I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker
>switch with a 1"x1" face plate.  The switch is _not_ water proof as
>I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed,
>allowed current draw and drained the battery).

I'd try marine switches (made for boats).  I'm sure they're much more
expensive, but may be the only way to get a reliable switch.  West Marine,
E&B Marine, and Boat US come to mine.  Not sure if they have web pages.
West and Boat US are in the Alexandria area.

Chris Norloff





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>Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly
>everyone says "Oh....a <friend, wife, aunt, father, mother, husband,
>child, uncle> was <killed, injured, maimed, mutilated> while riding."
>Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?


I tell them about my (actually ficticious) friend who was horribly maimed
in a car.  Hit in the rear by another car driver out of control.  He heard
the squealing tires behind him, but could not move forward because of
traffic.  Knowing he was helpless, he just sat there.  Broken bones,
burned, hospitalized for weeks ... still walks with a limp.  Too bad he
wasn't on a bike, and could just pull up through traffic.  Those cars sure
are dangerous.

I've gotten good reponses from people with that, including the grudging
admission that different vehicles have different advantages and
disadvantages (praise the lord HE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT!)

:-)
Chris Norloff



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Are you sure you want to wait,  I know where you can get a 1960 Harley =
sportster for $3600.  It is in beautiful condition, recently serviced, a =
real rider, if you can handle the kickstart on it.
-----Original Message-----
From:	Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD [SMTP:crosen@XXXXXX]
Sent:	Thursday, August 28, 1997 7:15 AM
To:	dc-cycles
Subject:	Re: Not quite a RUB

Rich Urban Biker....
New Harley,  Rides for show only.  Bike is yet another prop to help =
fulfill
a life that despite gobs of money still feels empty.

As to owning a blockhead, I am waiting another 5-10 years, figure there =
are
gonna be a whole bunch of low mileage, collectible softtails being =
dumped
on the market.

As long as you ride and enjoy, you'll never be a RUB.

regards and be carfeul reaquiring your instincts.
-charles


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In a message dated 97-08-28 02:39:54 EDT, sjm@XXXXXX writes:

> Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly
>  everyone says "Oh....a <friend, wife, aunt, father, mother, husband,
>  child, uncle> was <killed, injured, maimed, mutilated> while riding."
>  Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?
>  
Bring up horror story of close relative being trapped inna cage while slowly
being burned to death - doesn't have to be true...

Michael Jordan


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I don't remember where I read it, may have even been rec.moto a few
years back, but it is a keeper ...

When asked by his girlfriends father if he knew how dangerous MCs were,
this one guy just looked at him and said "Yeah, but you know, there are
a lot of people in this world that confuse breathing in and out with
living".

I just thought that was one awesome reply.

Later,
chris
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Christopher A. Meier  
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Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA
1994 RF900R  AMA #470094
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>----------
>From: 	Stephen[SMTP:sdobson@XXXXXX]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, August 27, 1997 10:57 PM
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>
>Yeah, we've probably all heard that one before.
>
--snip--

>You can try wit:
>-Really. My grandfather died of old age, and he rode a motorcycle 'til
>the day before he died.
>
>--snip--

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At 11:18 PM 8/27/97 +45722824, Gil M. Nissley wrote:
>
>  Ignore the goofballs with their dead relative stories.When people 
>tell me them,I tell them about all the times when riding a bike
>_saved_ my life.One that comes to mind was the time in England when
>

  Good point. Besides, I think just about ALL of us know SOMEONE or know
someone who KNOWS someone who was killed/maimed/injured in a
cage/boat/bus/plane (name your poison). I knew someone that drowned when his
boat turned over. Do I tell everyone to stay out of a boat. Hell no. I LOVE
going down the river in a canoe. I know enough people that have been in car
accidents. Do I tell everyone to stay out of cars, cuz they're so dangerous?
Well, no, though I think sometimes that it would be great if I COULD and
they WOULD. Less of them, more safe for us maybe, huh?
  When I get the "dangerous" speech, I just tell 'em that LIVING is
dangerous, and no matter what you do, in the end...you're gonna die. Have
fun on the way to it.

Squeakers


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Robert Johnston wrote:
 
  > Arlington Electric, on Lee Highway

Yeah, I agree.

Arlington Electronic Wholesalers
3636 Lee Highway
Arlington, VA 22207

(703)-524-2412

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From: "Todd B Peer" <Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX>
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On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:18:40 Gil M. Nissley wrote:
<<One that comes to mind was the time in England when
I came around a blind curve to find 2 bone-heads stopped in the middle 
of the road talking to each other.There was a hedge on one side and
an embankment on the other so I threaded the needle between their cars
and just sqeaked through.>>

Did the same thing coming off the Washingtion Blvd ramp onto Washington
Blvd where it passes the Pentagon.  Throttled on to about ...mumble,
mumble... and there, just under the overpass is a Green School bus
and Truck side by side stopped!!!  What!?  Why!?  No time to ask, full
on front brake and too much rear.  Slid, squeeled and chirped right
between them and just kept going.

My fault for sure, but if I were in my cage, I would've been much worse
off.

Todd 
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| ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
| CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
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Stephen J. Miller wrote:

  > Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments?

There's the condescending reply:  "If you need an explanation, then you
wouldn't understand."

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An old gentelman, (I have to call him that, he left insurance info),
knocked my bike off its centerstand in my building parking lot yesterday.

No clutch lever, left turn signal, left mirror, and the fairing might have to 
be replaced.

!@#$

JeffP
'82 Seca 750 'desdemona'

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Robert Johnston <rjohns3@XXXXXX> asked:
*
* Now, I know that I have to look like a RUB, and may even be one, =
* but what I want to know is just what the hell is a RUB?
*
    Rich Urban Biker.  Stereo-typed as the lawyer/doctor/professional
type on a $15,000+ Harley convinced that riding a bike will augment,
or create for them, an illusion of a fullfilled life.  I don't know any
RUB's.  Then again, I might not know any 1%'ers, probably 'cos I don't
know what a 1%'er is.

    So what's a 1%'er?  One percent of what?

p8r

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Hey Leon, was that you riding a somewhat smallish bike with
the green and yellow John Deer paint scheme?  Looked like you
were wearing a maroon red (real old) aerostitch.

- Hacker

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Subject:  Re: ride on 8/31

Were does this CAMS ride usually go? Might want to check it out sat. anyone else going?



Sandy

87 Hurricane 600
85 Virago 1000

>>> Jeff Poretsky <jeffp@XXXXXX> 08/27 11:31 AM >>>
> what better way to finish out the month of aug than with a cams ride!
>  > as usual, we'll meet at the silver diner on west ox rd in fairfax for
> breakfast from 0800-0900.  [for the new cams, here are directions:
> beltway to i-66w.  exit rt 50 west and go <1 mi to west ox road SOUTH
> exit.  go through about 3-4 lights and the diner will be on ur left.
> u'll have to make a left turn on fair lakes drive to get into the pkg
> lot.]
>  I'd love to join the ride, but some !@#$% who at least left his insurance info backed into my bike IN THE PARKING LOT!!! where it usually is parked.

So I now have no left turn light, no left mirror no clutch lever and the glass in my faring is gone.

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

JeffP
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     


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Dark Hacker wrote:

> Hey Leon, was that you riding a somewhat smallish bike with
> the green and yellow John Deer paint scheme?  Looked like you
> were wearing a maroon red (real old) aerostitch.
>
> - Hacker

  It was probably me, the aerostich is only about as old as the bike,
but unlike the bike, I bought the aerostich when it was new.  According
to Andy Goldfine, an aerostich will last about 100,000 miles, mine wore
out about 80,000 miles ago.

Leon.


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>    So what's a 1%'er?  One percent of what?

The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole.
Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed
on TV and in movies as "bikers".

Chris Norloff



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  For the best depiction/description of 1%'ers, check out Hunter Thompson's
"Hell's Angels," a must-read for any serious motorcyclist.


At 01:34 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>    So what's a 1%'er?  One percent of what?
>
>The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole.
>Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed
>on TV and in movies as "bikers".
>
>Chris Norloff
>
>
>


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Dark Hacker

Yes indeed, you had a close encounter with the one and only Leon.  I've
had the pleasure of meeting this Living Legend in person, he is a treat.

And his Aerostich definitely looks like it's been through every mile he says.  :-)

Horkster

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Hey Leon, was that you riding a somewhat smallish bike with
the green and yellow John Deer paint scheme?  Looked like you
were wearing a maroon red (real old) aerostitch.

- Hacker


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	Todd  locally I buy my waterproof sw's from Electronic Distributing 
Inc. Or for you, or when nobody else has it "Newark Electronics" has 
everything.  :)  You can find them at http://www.newark.com or 
1-800-463-9275


 On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Todd B Peer wrote:

> 
> Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches,
> leds, etc..  I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker
> switch with a 1"x1" face plate.  The switch is _not_ water proof as
> I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed,
> allowed current draw and drained the battery).
> 
> Web Sites?  Places close to DC Area?
> 
> Thanks,
> Todd 
> +---------------------------+---------------+
> | ST1100 - Raven STeel      | STOC    #487  |
> | CB750  - Carbon Beauty    | HSTA   #7615  |
> | VT500  - Black Shadow     | AMA  #542907  |
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> 

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>* Now, I know that I have to look like a RUB, and may even be one, =
>* but what I want to know is just what the hell is a RUB?
>*
>    Rich Urban Biker.  Stereo-typed as the lawyer/doctor/professional
>type on a $15,000+ Harley convinced that riding a bike will augment,
>or create for them, an illusion of a fullfilled life.  I don't know any
>RUB's.  Then again, I might not know any 1%'ers, probably 'cos I don't
>know what a 1%'er is.
>
>    So what's a 1%'er?  One percent of what?
>
 Refers to the 1% of bikers who "ruin the image of all bikers"  i.e., the
stereotypical image of a harley rider who lives on his bike creating
trouble everywhere he and his gang go.

The Honda "You meet the nicest people on a Honda campaign" in the seventies
was an attempt to counter the 1% ers, and make motorcycling legitimate.

-charles


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dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote:

  > Yes indeed, you had a close encounter with the one and only Leon...
  > And his Aerostich definitely looks like it's been through every mile
  > he says.  :-)

Ya know, I think I may have run into Leon several years ago...he was telling
me how convenient it is to machine-wash his Aerostitch...Frankly, it *looked*
like it had been machine-washed.   :)

-- WWW

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Agreed.  I wrote down several of the things Thompson wrote, one in
particular sticks in mind.  Talking about the females that hung around the
Hells Angels, he spoke of the (going by memory now)-- 

"Wary glances of half-bright souls, grown mean and nervous from too much
bitter wisdom in too few years."

I've known people like that.

Chris Norloff

*********************************************************
At 02:23 PM 8/28/97 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote:
>  For the best depiction/description of 1%'ers, check out Hunter Thompson's
>"Hell's Angels," a must-read for any serious motorcyclist.
>
>
>At 01:34 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>    So what's a 1%'er?  One percent of what?
>>
>>The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole.
>>Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed
>>on TV and in movies as "bikers".
>>
>>Chris Norloff
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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At 03:53 PM 8/28/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote:
>Agreed.  I wrote down several of the things Thompson wrote, one in
>particular sticks in mind.  Talking about the females that hung around the
>Hells Angels, he spoke of the (going by memory now)-- 
>
>"Wary glances of half-bright souls, grown mean and nervous from too much
>bitter wisdom in too few years."
>
>I've known people like that.
>
>Chris Norloff
>

   It's funny what the movies and books can do to an entire "group" of
people. Because of grade B movies (and Im being charitable calling them
that) now if you get on a Harley and like to wear black, some people have
the tendency to label YOU a 1%.  The way *I* see it, though, is that there's
getting to be MORE and MORE and MORE of *us* every day, so soon, the 1%ers
will become 1/2%ers and then more and more and more of *us*, then they'll be
1/4%ers.... THEN, we'll be able to go out riding and no one will cross the
street to get away from us, cuz they'll know we aint gonna shoot anyone!!!
Cuz WE aint THEM!!! (unless, of course, they piss us off)  :)  (that last
part was a joke)
  On the other hand, Im thinking that most of the bad press that the movies
"portrayed" SURELY couldnt happen NOW. It was mostly based in the 60's and
70's, wasnt it? Back when women were more subservient and perhaps more
willing to be used and abused. Nowadays, a woman would tell a man that tried
to use her and treat her like property to go fuck himself. She wouldnt NEED
him and his bike, cuz she could get her OWN bike. I know.... dont tell me
that it can happen now just as easily as back then. I like to live in a
fantasy world, where all women know their worth and stand up for themselves.
Where men dont think they're Gods with a right to do with their property
(woman) as they wish. Where theres both self respect and mutual respect,
understanding the differences between us, yet realizing the equal importance
of both. 
  Besides.. Id think it was like everyone else. You have those that treat
their ladies like dogs, all the way up to those that would jump off a bridge
for the woman they love. The movies and books arent interested in the
latter, only the former, cuz thats what sells.
  
  BE THAT AS IT MAY!!!!!!!!! Theres a LOT more of us WIMMINS out there
riding now!! SOON, WE'LL take over!!!!! You men'll have to get out of our
way!!!!! 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! WE ARE WOMEN! HEAR OUR BIKES
ROAR!!!! YEEHAW!!!!!!!

sorry. I get carried away sometimes. Must be a PMS thing.


Squeakers
  


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Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB

At 01:34 PM 8/28/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote:
>>    So what's a 1%'er?  One percent of what?
>
>The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole.
>Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed
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