From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 03:58:02 1997 X-Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.96]) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15831 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:49:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawride@XXXXXX X-Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA22859 for kosmas19@XXXXXX; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:49:19 -0400 (EDT) To: kosmas19@XXXXXX Subject: LawRide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.11995.emout05.mail.aol.com.870421758" ReSent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:56:22 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: Kosmas ReSent-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ReSent-Message-ID: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.11995.emout05.mail.aol.com.870421758 Content-ID: <0_11995_870421758@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain Hello, My name is Gary Lyons and I'm a police officer. Two years ago I started a motorcyle ride to the National Law Enforcement Memorial, Washington, D.c. to ho9nor police officers killed in the line of duty. The first year 1160 bike were counted at the event. Last year, over 1300 bike we there and over 3000 at the memorial when we arrived. We ride from RFK stadium through the streets of the Nations Capitol ending at the Memorial. If you are interested in more info on this event and/or posting it for me, it would be greatly appriciated. In advance thank you for any and all help you can provide. God bless and thanks Gary "Law Ride" Lyons 300 Park Ave. Falls Church, Va. 22046 City of Falls Church Police --PART.BOUNDARY.0.11995.emout05.mail.aol.com.870421758 Content-ID: <0_11995_870421758@XXXXXX> Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="HARLEY2.WAV" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 UklGRr5CAQBXQVZFZm10IBAAAAABAAEAIlYAACJWAAABAAgAZGF0YZlCAQCAgICAgICAgICA gICAgH9/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f4CAgICAgICA gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAf39/f39/f39/f39/f39/ f39/f39/f4CAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICA gICAgH9/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/f4B/f39/f39/gICAgICAgICAgICAgIB/ f3+AgICAf3+AgICAgIB/f4B/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn9/f39/f39/ f39/f35+fn9/f39/f4CAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAf4CAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIB/ f39/fn9/f39/f39/f39/f39/f39/gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBgYGBgYGBgYGBgYGB gYGBgYGAgICAgICAgH9/f39/gIB/f39/f39/f39/f39/f35+fn5/f39/f39/f39/f39/f4CA 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--PART.BOUNDARY.0.11995.emout05.mail.aol.com.870421758-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 07:56:12 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 97 07:53:36 EST From: "Steve Bradford" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:07:57 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:09:29 -0700 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dale@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moto & non-moto related Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale, First off, have really enjoyed your book, secondly yes Motorcycle Times is still being published, I have the July/August issue in front of me now. I know that if I dont hit the local Winchester Indian shop at just the right time, it will be gone. They do seem to move out quickly. I have considered getting it mailed direct but $12.00 for six issues of a 'free' rag seems a bit steep. Anyway there address is Winding Road Motorcycle Times Winding Road Enterprises 2550 Albert Rill Rd Westminster MD 21157-3453 By the way the next issue is supposed to be out on 1 September. HDKnight 96 XLH-1200 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:14:46 1997 X-Sender: whiteside@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:43:19 -0400 To: Mitch From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: Mmmmm.... doughnuts. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <33E11C32.7495@no.spam.smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:13 PM 7/31/97 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Back to the initial issue: A guy on his motorcycle gets stopped for >legally using the HOV lanes that hundreds of cars used illegally today. And after pointing out to the cop that he was wrong, doesn't get a ticket. Sure, the cop shouldn't have stopped him. Sure, the cop should have behaved better. But the "cops suck" nonsense this has unleashed is ridiculous. * * * John Whiteside Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:14:46 1997 X-Sender: whiteside@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:34:12 -0400 To: Mehran Firouzbakht From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:55 AM 7/31/97 -0400, Bob Tobias wrote: >In case anyone does have another experience of this type, might I suggest >the following, slightly modified response: > >"Gee, officer, I really thought it was OK for me to ride in the HOV lanes >and I'm sorry you had to stop and tell me that it wasn't. I will >certainly move out of these lanes immediately and stay out of them until >I can be absolutely certain when it is OK for motorcycles to use them. >Please have a nice day." Why would you do this? * * * John Whiteside Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:42:07 1997 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:41:18 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:42:57 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: mrubinst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:45:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Mmmmm.... doughnuts. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII . . But seriously. The US vs. THEM attitude is police versus criminals. If you aren't a criminal, then they do not place themselves in a competitive stance towards you. Well the following paragraph looks to me like an example of a cop placing himselve in a competitive stance against a law abiding citizen, and then digging his heels in even further after the law abiding citizen points out to him that he was clearly in the wrong. When I asked him to read the signs or call in and ask a pro about the traffic laws in MD, he paused for a second. Then he decided to make a fool of himself by not admitting that he was wrong. Instead he asked me to stay off the HOV lane or he would give me a ticket. I asked him to follow me a little further down the road so I could show him the sign where it says "Motorcycles OK." He got angry with me and told me to stay off the HOV lane then returned to his car without ever asking me for my license or anything. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:49:46 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:30:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970731162013.0d0fb9d4@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> First off, you have no right to drive on state-created >>roads. > > I have no right? Im a licensed, legal tax paying citizen, and I have no >right to drive ( or ride) on state roads?!?!? > > > Driving there is a privilege, not a right. > > If you've done the tests, taken the classes, gotten the licenses, paid the >taxes, then it becomes your right. Rights can't be taken away, no matter what you do. Priviledges are earned, are subject to various rules, and can be taken away. Once you've complied with all the rules, you're operating that vehicle in accordance with all rules, you're not disobeying a public safety order (like a hurricane evacuation), then you can drive on that road ... but it's still a priviledge, not a right. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:49:48 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:39:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970731164036.0d0fe1fe@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > We belong to a local HOG group. Normal people. Not bad >assed bikers. Just normal people that love to ride. We've all been followed >to family picnics, on poker runs, on the way TO events, on the way HOME from >events....etc. At the end of the last picnic, many people were pulled over >so that the cops could check baffles on the bikes!!!!! This was a FAMILY >picnic!!! The bikes were legal, so they couldnt ticket anyone, but damn, >they sure wanted to. I SHOULD be getting used to it by now, but it still >amazes me. I get followed for miles, and wonder why?!?!? ME! A short shit >blonde on an itty bitty bike! Amazing. How were you dressed? Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype? Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses? Were the bikes loud? Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner? I'm sure this could erupt into a real flame-fast, but I don't mean to flame anybody. I'd just like to point out that if people choose to dress to fit a negative stereotype, or use provocative manners, that can get attention that they don't want. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:49:50 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:50:41 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycle Officers [was: Rookie MCP Cop In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >And as a general rule motorcycle cops are assholes. i have yet to me a >nice one. if you know a nice one, please have him call me. I really >would like to meet one that is not a butthead. i do not wave to >cop-bikers. I fear they will pull me over for wrecklss driving (hands off >handlebars) Is this supposed to be flame-bait? As a general rule, statements that say "as a general rule [group of people] are jerks" are false. If you really want to meet neat officers on bikes, take an MSF course (high percentage of officers) or enroll to become an instructor. I met a lot of officers that way ... most of them were good people, one was not - sort of like all people. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:51:50 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:49:57 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Constables on Patrol To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Mitch wrote: >A bit naive, are we? Police, many of them admittedly, look at society >with an US v. THEM attitude. An opinion. Period. >I bet they think you're kidding. Another opinion. >Quite politically correct. I'm sure I'm not alone, however, in >believing that this is basically a crock. Which is the crock, Thomas? Your opinion that police are out to get everyone and are not people? Or whether or not ploce officers have a memory about people they see on their beat every day? They remember rather a lot, and are not incapable of exercising field judgements based on their experiences. New officers don't have much, admittedly, Since that seems to be the lead off example, perhaps your arguement applies only there. That is a pretty broad brush you are using otherwise. Dave David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten) It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:56:18 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:56:59 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Jerks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Who else but a drunk would be driving that late at night? >Jerks. - Hacker Statistically, swerving is usually done by drunks. The odds are very high (over 50%) that erratic driving is caused by alcohol. If your operating profile falls into this area, you are going to be pulled over. Frankly, I have a serious problem with drunk drivers, I can put up with the "jerks" who are taking them off the road, even if it means I get checked out too. David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten) It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:58:46 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: whiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:01:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Mmmmm.... doughnuts. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII . And after pointing out to the cop that he was wrong, doesn't get a ticket. Sure, the cop shouldn't have stopped him. Sure, the cop should have behaved better. But the "cops suck" nonsense this has unleashed is ridiculous. * * * John Whiteside Washington, DC So what if it's ridiculous. At least it's entertaining. This is the most fun I've had reading this list in months. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:04:24 1997 X-Sender: whiteside@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:15:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: John Whiteside Subject: Quoting In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970731225408.2e6741a2@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:52 PM 7/31/97 -0400, Squeakers wrote: > This isnt fair. Brian quoted you, without using any >>'s or anything to let >me know the words werent originating with him, so I already responded to it. >THEN I got YOUR post. This happens a lot on this list. Sometimes it's very tough to tell what someone is saying themselves, what they're responding too, etc. Folks, if you're gonna quote someone else's words, make it clear it's a quote! now back to your regularly scheduled flame. * * * John Whiteside Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:05:54 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e No. From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:41:18 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:06:47 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:09:10 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Mmmmm.... doughnuts. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >The 'criminals' you speak of hide amongst the general population. >Police do not know which people are criminals, and, therefore, they >treat everyone as a suspected criminal. Horse Potatoes. >I'm afraid I don't see how being a Marine enables you to relate to being >a police officer. You would be surprised at how many Marines are in the MSP. David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten) It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:09:07 1997 From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Mmmmm.... doughnuts. Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:06:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT Thomas Gimer wrote: >>I get a big kick out of the 'public servants' talk....many of these guys >>(especially city/local police) think they are above the law, not >>servants of the public. That reminds me of a saying I've heard about cops: "They gave me a badge, They gave em a gun, They gave me a car, Now let's have some fun!" I can't remember where I heard that, though. Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:11:39 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:11:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol >How were you dressed? Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype? >Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses? Were the >bikes loud? Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner? > >I'm sure this could erupt into a real flame-fast, but I don't mean to flame >anybody. I'd just like to point out that if people choose to dress to fit >a negative stereotype, or use provocative manners, that can get attention >that they don't want. > >Chris Norloff Now you're making an assumtion on evidence not presented. (in a manner of speaking) For the family picnic, most people were dressed for...well... a family picnic. Including all the children. Were the bikes loud? Naturally. They were mostly Harleys. All legal pipes, but nonetheless, they make the "Harley Sound tm". The very act of throwing your leg over the saddle of a Harley, any type, any size, is all it takes for the small minded to automatically think "demons!". We have professionals, retired folk, white collar, lots of women riders, parents that bring their children to all the rides (mon rides the little girl on HER bike, Dad the son on his) blue collar, hell, even a retired navy captain in our club. Definitely worthy of the scrutiny of the local constabulatory when WE ride by, eh? BTW-Since when is it acceptable for the police to harrass people based solely on the way they're dressed. No cause. No crimes. Nothing happening. Just people riding by. Doing the speed limit. Obeying all traffic laws. Minding their own business. Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:12:52 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:14:56 -0700 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is amazing what generates so much damm heat on these lists. But whats the point. How many of the people that are bitching and moaning religiously vote in local and national elections? How many of you folks have attended local county board meetings. Those cops, asshole or not are out there reflecting the policies of the municipalities that they are working for. Why waste time bashing cops on an email list, and put the effort in getting the petty bureacrats off our backs in the first place. Hate to say it folks, but whether its helmet laws, irrational speed limits or HOV, We, and I mean American society in general, have brouht it all down upon ourselves. We have delegated just about every aspect of our lives to big brother, who is bound and determined to tell us whats best for us, our kids and the world in general. If you seat a bunch of petty fascist in the boardrooms of our local,state and national governments, how can you be surprised that you end up with individuals with that same outlook appointed as Chief on down. Most cops in any department are going to reflect the philosophy of the department they work for. If that attitude is damm the citizens, write the tickets we want the revenue, thats whats going to happen. Some young cop with a family isnt going to give up his chance at having weekends off refusing to write as many tickets as he is told. Anyway thats my .02$, bitch and moan if you want, but the problem is more than just this one young cop, its the system that we have allowed to blow up in our faces. HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:18:43 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:18:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop >> >> If you've done the tests, taken the classes, gotten the licenses, paid the >>taxes, then it becomes your right. > > >Rights can't be taken away, no matter what you do. Priviledges are earned, >are subject to various rules, and can be taken away. > >Once you've complied with all the rules, you're operating that vehicle in >accordance with all rules, you're not disobeying a public safety order >(like a hurricane evacuation), then you can drive on that road ... but it's >still a priviledge, not a right. > What you call a "privilege", I call a legal right. If Ive complied with all the rules, and continue to do so, then I have a legal right to be on that road. It can not be arbitrarily taken from me by a lone rookie cop, deciding that I shouldnt be on a particular road. All rights can be taken away. NO rights can be considered permanent. Laws can be passed, "rules" can be made. What was once a "right" can be made a "privilege" simply by passing a law restricting that right. (for the common good, naturally heh) The only right that cant be taken away, is your right to die.(and pay taxes) Everything else can. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:24:12 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:09:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Moto & non-moto related Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <33E1FC29.1215@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > yes Motorcycle Times >is still being published, I have the July/August issue in front of me >now. I know that if I dont hit the local Winchester Indian shop at just >the right time, it will be gone. They do seem to move out quickly. >I have considered getting it mailed direct but $12.00 for six issues of >a 'free' rag seems a bit steep. Coleman Powersports does the same thing -- if this is a free magazine, why don't shops ask for enough copies for their customers? You'd almost think they don't want customers to just "drop in" and see what's up! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:30:57 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Cops, et.al. Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 06:29:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 The bottom line is that the police in our midst represent a cross section of society. There is a small percentage of well-qualified and well meaning individuals who are working to the best of their ability... A MUCH larger percentage of people who are neither good nor bad And a small percentage of assholes who shouldn't be let loose. We tend to focus on the extremes and lose perspective Michael Jordan '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100GP AMA IBA etc. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C@-`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````-C(P-CA$ M03 S0C!!1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`# O $>`' ``0````T```!#;W!S+"!E="YA;"X``````@%Q M``$````6`````;R>?M\$H(T&90H[$=&1] ``]CO+U@```P`&$(S$4 $#``<0 M8P$``!X`"! !````90```%1(14)/5%1/34Q)3D5)4U1(05142$503TQ)0T5) M3D]54DU)1%-44D504D5314Y404-23U-34T5#5$E/3D]&4T]#2454651(15)% M25-!4TU!3$Q015)#14Y404=%3T9714Q,+5$``````P`0$ `````#`!$0`0`` M``(!"1 !````X@$``-X!``!Y`@``3%I&=1RM*.\'``H!!PM@;F\@61N!&2\:,V$$$!U0(O"#'20G875L M9&XG!4!_'K 3(!" $R D,!!P%\M7/1*@= GP&U >00(08W7'!" 6\10"97AT M"7 '@F\;<@D`$' 9DG,9H!;!=G9E%]H7U$T4 "" &``````# ````````1@`````8A0`` M`````!X`"( (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#:%```!`````0`````````> M``F "" &``````# ````````1@`````WA0```0````$`````````'@`*@ @@ M!@``````P ```````$8`````.(4```$````!``````````,`)@```````P`V M```````"`?D_`0```!X`````````W*= R,!"$!JTN0@`*R_A@@$````````` M+@```!X`^#\!````%0```%-Y To: "'shephar1@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:26:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Ken Shephard[SMTP:shephar1@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, August 01, 1997 12:14 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop > >It is amazing what generates so much damm heat on these lists. But >whats the point. How many of the people that are bitching and moaning >religiously vote in local and national elections? How many of you >folks have attended local county board meetings. Those cops, asshole or >not are out there reflecting the policies of the municipalities that >they are working for. Why waste time bashing cops on an email list, and >put the effort in getting the petty bureacrats off our backs in the >first place. Whoa!!!! I agree completely with what you are saying, BUT ... we are talking about a police officer overstepping his bounds and potentially HARASSING a motorist. (personally I don't think he did) Your argument makes sense but only when we are talking about an officer enforcing a law that we happen to not like (i.e. speeding). Last time I checked, voting in the elections and attending board meetings (while important and recommended) does not solve the problem of police abuse of power. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:37:49 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: Jerks (on phones) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:35:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT Actually I have heard lately that cage drivers who frequently operate cell phones while driving have accident rates similar to drunk drivers. Personally, I've seen lots of cars weaving on the roads during broad daylight where the driver has a phone up to his ear. It scares the crap out of me more than drunk drivers do anymore. Horkster ---------- From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX[SMTP:Dave_Choat@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 01, 1997 8:56 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jerks >Who else but a drunk would be driving that late at night? >Jerks. - Hacker Statistically, swerving is usually done by drunks. The odds are very high (over 50%) that erratic driving is caused by alcohol. If your operating profile falls into this area, you are going to be pulled over. Frankly, I have a serious problem with drunk drivers, I can put up with the "jerks" who are taking them off the road, even if it means I get checked out too. David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten) It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:45:54 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:32:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970801091335.3017d294@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>How were you dressed? Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype? >>Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses? Were the >>bikes loud? Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner? >> >>I'm sure this could erupt into a real flame-fast, but I don't mean to flame >>anybody. I'd just like to point out that if people choose to dress to fit >>a negative stereotype, or use provocative manners, that can get attention >>that they don't want. >> >>Chris Norloff > > Now you're making an assumtion on evidence not presented. (in a manner of >speaking) For the family picnic, most people were dressed for...well... a >family picnic. Including all the children. Were the bikes loud? Naturally. >They were mostly Harleys.... >Squeakers I didn't make ASSUMPTIONS, I asked QUESTIONS. Please read the message before you respond to it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:45:55 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:33:23 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Mmmmm.... doughnuts. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >That reminds me of a saying I've heard about cops: > >"They gave me a badge, >They gave em a gun, >They gave me a car, >Now let's have some fun!" Reminds me of a bumpersticker I saw in the early 70's: "If you don't like Police, next time you need help, call a Hippie!" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:45:55 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:46:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970801092048.30177812@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >What you call a "privilege", I call a legal right. If Ive complied with all >the rules, and continue to do so, then I have a legal right to be on that >road. It can not be arbitrarily taken from me by a lone rookie cop, deciding >that I shouldnt be on a particular road. All rights can be taken away. NO >rights can be considered permanent. Laws can be passed, "rules" can be made. >What was once a "right" can be made a "privilege" simply by passing a law >restricting that right. (for the common good, naturally heh) The only right >that cant be taken away, is your right to die.(and pay taxes) Everything >else can. I'm using the terms "priviledges" and "rights" in accordance (I believe) with the laws/codes/regulations that specify what priviledges we have, and with the documents that specify our rights (Constitution & Bill of Rights & other amendments). You can call priviledges rights if want to, but that doesn't change what they are, and it doesn't change your ability to challenge the laws that affect your priviledges, and it doesn't affect the laws that protect your rights. Read some Constitutional case law -- there's plenty of books about our Constitution that are written for non-lawyers. I also recommend reading the Traffic Code of your state. Look at a copy at the library -- I bet you'll be surprised what is allowed and what isn't, and how "rights" and "priviledges" are considered. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:46:55 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Motorcycle TImes Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 06:44:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 20 TEXT, 43 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Art Crow at Rider's Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church (in addition to being a GREAT human being (cough)) usually seems to have a good stock on hand. For a truly unique consumer experience, drop in for your copy, partake of Art's philosophy of life (pick a subject, any subject) and maybe even buy something. Art has never bored me - pissed me off, made me laugh, even caused me to think on occasion, but NEVER bored me. 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Priviledges are earned, >>are subject to various rules, and can be taken away. >> >>Once you've complied with all the rules, you're operating that vehicle in >>accordance with all rules, you're not disobeying a public safety order >>(like a hurricane evacuation), then you can drive on that road ... but it's >>still a priviledge, not a right. >> > >What you call a "privilege", I call a legal right. If Ive complied with all >the rules, and continue to do so, then I have a legal right to be on that >road. It can not be arbitrarily taken from me by a lone rookie cop, deciding >that I shouldnt be on a particular road. All rights can be taken away. NO >rights can be considered permanent. Laws can be passed, "rules" can be made. >What was once a "right" can be made a "privilege" simply by passing a law >restricting that right. (for the common good, naturally heh) The only right >that cant be taken away, is your right to die.(and pay taxes) Everything >else can. > >Are you familiar with the term unalienable? > There is a difference between what "rights" the contitution ddems >inherent, and what "privaledges" or rather "abilities" the law grants. and yes, they are trying to take away the right to die. Artificial life support is becoming quite good these days ... Later, chris BTW .. Let me end with one of my favorite quotes. When they took the fifth amendment I said nothing because I was innocent. When they took the fourth amendment I said nothing because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the second amendment I said nothing because I don't own guns. Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can say nothing about it. Don't think it can happen? Look at other counties around the world ... >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 10:12:42 1997 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC-Cycles'" , "'Thomas Piergallini'" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:12:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT I couldn't have said it better myself. The rudest most arrogant cops I have ever met have been on bikes. The nicest cops I have ever met have been the state police. They are always polite no matter what the situation. Just my opinion Hope to see everyone for the ride to central VA/WV tomorrow! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >>And as a general rule motorcycle cops are assholes. i have yet to me a >>nice one. if you know a nice one, please have him call me. I really >>would like to meet one that is not a butthead. i do not wave to >>cop-bikers. I fear they will pull me over for wrecklss driving (hands off >>handlebars) > >>As a general rule state cops (non-moto) are gentalman. I have yet to meet >>a bad-statie. Even the ones that arrested me on occasion were real nice >>to after beating on me a little bit, but no harm done. > > >-pierre > >Thomas Piergallini >EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX > Send me MIME mail > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 10:14:14 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:14:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Squeakers Subject: RE: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop >> >>Are you familiar with the term unalienable? Yup. And Im also familiar with the term "humans" and what they're capable of doing if they set their minds to it. Inalienable is not a license for complacency. "Inalienable" laws can be "altered" (modified? fixed just a tad?) >> >There is a difference between what "rights" the contitution ddems >>inherent, and what "privaledges" or rather "abilities" the law grants. Think about what you're saying! If you read a law to 10 different people, the chances are that all 10 people will have a different interpretation of that law, what rights it gives (or privileges, if you prefer) and how it should be followed. We have courts clogged up with people trying to "interpret". The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is a fine example. A CONSTITUTIONAL right. (Inalienable, perhaps?) Havent you seen just how many different interpretations to THAT argumant there is!?!?!? > >and yes, they are trying to take away the right to die. Artificial life >support is becoming quite good these days ... So now we're working on laws to allow or disallow "living wills" and the like. Looks like the only right they ARENT messing with is your right to pay taxes. Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 10:23:20 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:22:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop >Read some Constitutional case law -- there's plenty of books about our >Constitution that are written for non-lawyers. I also recommend reading >the Traffic Code of your state. Look at a copy at the library -- I bet >you'll be surprised what is allowed and what isn't, and how "rights" and >"priviledges" are considered. > >Chris Norloff > > Actually, I dont need to read the books. Ive had enough first hand experience to see how it works in traffic court. (My ol'man's drivin, not mine!) He gets unfairly, or sometimes OVER ticketed, gathers his evidence, comes up with his defense, goes to court, argues his case, and every time...wins. (I think it's 4 times now) He's also taken a few others to court when we were unfairly treated. Won every time. The point is........ because a cop decides you shouldnt be doing something, or SHOULD be...doesnt make it so. He ISNT the final word. If you KNOW you're in the right, stand up for yourself. You CAN do it politely, but DO it. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 10:35:37 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol At 09:32 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>>How were you dressed? Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype? >>>Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses? Were the >>>bikes loud? Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner? >> > >I didn't make ASSUMPTIONS, I asked QUESTIONS. Please read the message >before you respond to it. > >Chris Norloff > > The very fact that the first "questions" you came up with were "dress" related, shows that you're one of the people that buy into the "Harley riders" crap. (read- ASSUMPTIONS)If it had been ricers or rocketeers that were being harrassed, perhaps your "questions" would have been a little more appropriate to the problem. How is the way we dress an approval of the way cops treat us? If I choose to wear black jeans, a black T shirt, a black leather jacket, skull ear rings and maybe even a necklace with GASP! A SPIDER on it, WHY does that make it acceptable for me to be harrassed? Does my religion or political affiliations also make me a target? An acceptable one, that is? How about the color of my hair? My skin? If everything Im doing is legal... Im not speeding, Im stopping at red lights and stop signs, using my turn signals etcetc..... then why do you find it acceptable for cops to treat us as "guilty till proven innocent" based SOLELY on the way we're DRESSED! How incredibly prejudiced and short sighted you are. Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 10:41:29 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:35:48 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970801094618.0095ee60@204.194.180.21> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11QS1r00007Cu ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ..actually you make an interesting point... As alot of you already know, I worked for DMV in Va. for a number of years and the DMV Drivers manual clearly states that use of public roads in the the State of Virginia is a PRIVLEGE, not a right and can be granted or revoked at any time. A license is merely a pass that allows one (if they comply with all OTHER applicable laws and regulations), to legally use those roads. Also having worked for law enforcement while I was in the military for 15 years, I can tell you that local/state/military officers are just like everyone else...they make mistakes too...and the professional ones (me included) that have made mistakes apoligize and go on our way. I pulled over a citizen once that I had thought violated a posted speed limit sign not knowing that the speed limit had been raised that day by 10mph (it had been a construction zone for over a year)...after the driver pointed that "fact" out to me, I (rather redfaced), apoligized to the driver, told him I felt pretty embarrassed about pulling him over and asked him to have a nice day...we both had a good laugh about it and no one left with a bad attitude...it works both ways...it's hard to respect a police officer if the police officer doesn't respect *you*.... ..and contrary to what some people may say..it doesn't require a low IQ to be a cop...and except for the cop that's on a power trip, most cops HATE brownnosed ass kissers.... be real, be honest treat everyone like they're adults and chances are 50-50 that you might not get a ticket... cheers, -aki > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > >What you call a "privilege", I call a legal right. If Ive complied with all > >the rules, and continue to do so, then I have a legal right to be on that > >road. It can not be arbitrarily taken from me by a lone rookie cop, deciding > >that I shouldnt be on a particular road. All rights can be taken away. NO > >rights can be considered permanent. Laws can be passed, "rules" can be made. > >What was once a "right" can be made a "privilege" simply by passing a law > >restricting that right. (for the common good, naturally heh) The only right > >that cant be taken away, is your right to die.(and pay taxes) Everything > >else can. > > I'm using the terms "priviledges" and "rights" in accordance (I believe) > with the laws/codes/regulations that specify what priviledges we have, and > with the documents that specify our rights (Constitution & Bill of Rights & > other amendments). > > You can call priviledges rights if want to, but that doesn't change what > they are, and it doesn't change your ability to challenge the laws that > affect your priviledges, and it doesn't affect the laws that protect your > rights. > > Read some Constitutional case law -- there's plenty of books about our > Constitution that are written for non-lawyers. I also recommend reading > the Traffic Code of your state. Look at a copy at the library -- I bet > you'll be surprised what is allowed and what isn't, and how "rights" and > "priviledges" are considered. > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 10:54:10 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:51:25 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970801103734.301744ba@pop.erols.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11QSgx000081G ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't stereotype.... -aki > X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX > > At 09:32 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: > >>>How were you dressed? Were you dressed to match a negative stereotype? > >>>Lots of black, "gang" colors, fake helmets, bad-boy sunglasses? Were the > >>>bikes loud? Was anybody riding in a loud, aggressive, or obnoxious manner? > >> > > > >I didn't make ASSUMPTIONS, I asked QUESTIONS. Please read the message > >before you respond to it. > > > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > The very fact that the first "questions" you came up with were "dress" > related, shows that you're one of the people that buy into the "Harley > riders" crap. (read- ASSUMPTIONS)If it had been ricers or rocketeers that > were being harrassed, perhaps your "questions" would have been a little more > appropriate to the problem. How is the way we dress an approval of the way > cops treat us? If I choose to wear black jeans, a black T shirt, a black > leather jacket, skull ear rings and maybe even a necklace with GASP! A > SPIDER on it, WHY does that make it acceptable for me to be harrassed? Does > my religion or political affiliations also make me a target? An acceptable > one, that is? How about the color of my hair? My skin? If everything Im > doing is legal... Im not speeding, Im stopping at red lights and stop signs, > using my turn signals etcetc..... then why do you find it acceptable for > cops to treat us as "guilty till proven innocent" based SOLELY on the way > we're DRESSED! How incredibly prejudiced and short sighted you are. > > > Squeakers > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:11:23 1997 From: "L.D. Graham" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:09:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:11:34 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:11:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Aki.Damme" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol At 10:51 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote: > >..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese >motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't >stereotype.... > > > Actually, if you read what I said, then you'll see that I was saying that stereotypes doesnt make it ACCEPTABLE to HARRASS someone for. I DO have an "image" of SOME "ricers" and "rocketeers". Especially rocketeers. Ive never denied that. I dont think Ive ever HIDDEN that, either. *I* ride rice (for the moment. As soon as I can permanently get off it, I will). REGARDLESS of my "image" towards SOME riders ( And I DO mean SOME) I would NEVER condone or accept or rationalize their being set apart and harrassed by anyone for any reason. Even if they ARE dressed in spiffy multi colored full body armour and huge helmets that make their heads bob like those little toys you can get to put in your car window dash. Remember those? They're cute! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:17:19 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 97 11:15:31 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: , Subject: Re: do you use Nelson St in Rockville? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoah!! That was me on the yellow FZR yesterday. I waived out to you to slow down. It's great that bikers stick together in cases like this one. -- Small World !! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: do you use Nelson St in Rockville? Author: at internet Date: 7/31/97 7:09 PM Hey, y'all- Just a warning, two days in a row, a cycle cop was running radar on Nelson, just as you go down the hill from 28. They are using cycle cops more, it seems, to run radar, since they are unidentifiable as police from a distance. Saw one using laser on Tower Oaks at Montrose not long ago. BTW, I'm assuming the cop on Nelson was running radar, but I don't have a detector on the bike. Could have been laser just as well. And thanks to the rider of the yellow (FZR?) who warned me as I went by on my blue VFR. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:34:12 1997 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Aug 1997 11:09:45 EDT." <199708011529.LAA25496@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 11:33:59 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >unsubscribe This message went out to 160 people who can't unsubscribe you from this list. All administrative requests must be sent to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX . I feel I should warn you all that subscribers who send unsubscribe messages to the dc-cycles list itself are tracked down by rookie cops who beat them senseless with their nightsticks. -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:39:36 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:24:15 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol To: squeaks@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970801111343.3017a1c2@pop.erols.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11QSQT00000XY ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term "ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the country of origin doesn't it? . Additionally, you go on to poke fun at what a person is wearing (e.g. colorful clothes, large helmet)...right after saying that one should'n't be harassed just because of what they're wearing... I won't *even* go into the Harley .vs. everyoneelseintheworld argument.. even if portions of the Harley *are* foreign...including "ricer" parts... ;-) it still sounds like a double standard to me. > X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX > > At 10:51 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote: > > > >..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese > >motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't > >stereotype.... > > > > > > > Actually, if you read what I said, then you'll see that I was saying that > stereotypes doesnt make it ACCEPTABLE to HARRASS someone for. I DO have an > "image" of SOME "ricers" and "rocketeers". Especially rocketeers. Ive never > denied that. I dont think Ive ever HIDDEN that, either. *I* ride rice (for > the moment. As soon as I can permanently get off it, I will). REGARDLESS of > my "image" towards SOME riders ( And I DO mean SOME) I would NEVER condone > or accept or rationalize their being set apart and harrassed by anyone for > any reason. Even if they ARE dressed in spiffy multi colored full body > armour and huge helmets that make their heads bob like those little toys you > can get to put in your car window dash. Remember those? They're cute! > > > Squeakers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:58:42 1997 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 10:55:32 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mmmmm.... doughnuts. Having been in the position of a "them" that the cops were after, (yes virginia, you can have a past and still be a productive citizen) I can say from experience that they are not "after" the general population, the vast majority of cops ARE public servants, want to help and provide a vital service. As for my personal experience the police treated me with the same level of respect I treated them. sandy >>> Mitch 07/31 8:08 AM >>> Nope, this isn't a crock. I'm not a cop, but I play one on tv. By that I mean, I can relate to them. I simply appreciate their position in society. I think it is a tough, unrewarding job that is extremely vital. end of rant, Mitch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:59:01 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:01:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII . >I pulled over a citizen once that I had thought violated a posted speed >limit sign not knowing that the speed limit had been raised that day >by 10mph (it had been a construction zone for over a year)...after the >driver pointed that "fact" out to me, I (rather redfaced), apoligized >to the driver, told him I felt pretty embarrassed about pulling him over >and asked him to have a nice day...we both had a good laugh about it and >no one left with a bad attitude...it works both ways...it's hard to >respect a police officer if the police officer doesn't respect >*you*.... Very will said. I couldn't agree more. You reap what you sow. >..and contrary to what some people may say..it doesn't require a low >IQ to be a cop.... And you would have us believe that cops don't have a monthly ticket quota. It was never stated that it requires a low IQ to be a cop. The question was: Did you know that if you score too high on an IQ test, they consider you to be too smart to be a cop? The man I saw on Good Morning America several months ago, who was rejected the position of patrol officer because he scored too high on his IQ test, will surely back up this argument. I would hope that most jurisdictions don't have such ridiculous criteria, but the area that this man lived in does. I don't think this is right. This is just another example of how stupid our Government and their bureaucratic way of doing things can be. Ok time to change this thread from bashing cops to bashing the real villains. THE STINKING GOVERNMENT. 8-) On second thought. It won't do any good. I guess we might as well get back to just talking about motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:09:53 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Was: Constables...Now PC X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Aki, Defending the apparently undefendable here. I think she was referring to the preference of motorcycle and not your heritage. I've never heard of a Japanese person ever called a 'ricer'. Now, are you THAT sensitive, or just trying to pick a fight? Do you really feel harrassed because of what someone else thinks about what your wearing? Fashion slave? Knock it off and quit snivaling. Todd (put'n on my flame retardant suit now:-)) >...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term >"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only >referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the >country of origin doesn't it? . Additionally, you >go on to poke fun at what a person is wearing (e.g. colorful >clothes, large helmet)...right after saying that one should'n't >be harassed just because of what they're wearing... > >I won't *even* go into the Harley .vs. everyoneelseintheworld argument.. >even if portions of the Harley *are* foreign...including >"ricer" parts... ;-) > >it still sounds like a double standard to me. >> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX >> >> At 10:51 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote: >> > >> >..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese >> >motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't >> >stereotype.... >> > >> > >> > >> Actually, if you read what I said, then you'll see that I was saying that >> stereotypes doesnt make it ACCEPTABLE to HARRASS someone for. I DO have an >> "image" of SOME "ricers" and "rocketeers". Especially rocketeers. Ive never >> denied that. I dont think Ive ever HIDDEN that, either. *I* ride rice (for >> the moment. As soon as I can permanently get off it, I will). REGARDLESS of >> my "image" towards SOME riders ( And I DO mean SOME) I would NEVER condone >> or accept or rationalize their being set apart and harrassed by anyone for >> any reason. Even if they ARE dressed in spiffy multi colored full body >> armour and huge helmets that make their heads bob like those little toys you >> can get to put in your car window dash. Remember those? They're cute! >> >> >> Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:10:29 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Aki.Damme" From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:24 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote: > >...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term >"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only >referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the >country of origin doesn't it? . Additionally, you >go on to poke fun at what a person is wearing (e.g. colorful >clothes, large helmet)...right after saying that one should'n't >be harassed just because of what they're wearing... I didnt say he couldnt make fun of the way we dress. ( Although he cant POSSIBLE have ANY taste if he he thinks we dress strange) I only said that he shouldnt accept (or condone) us being harrasssed BECAUSE of the way we dress. I may giggle at those dressed like colorful space aliens, but I WONT accept their being treated badly. My giggling or joking about them DOESNT imply I would try and rationalize ill treatment of them. If they cant take a little bit of giggling, perhaps they shouldnt WEAR those funny looking things. I accept that some old ladies will cross the street when they see me coming, dressed in black and wearing spiders. I accept and understand the stares and obviously derogatory remarks I can see them saying to each other. (I must be an evil slutwoman, with the way my ears ring). I even accept that men in pickup trucks will sometimes pull up next to me and say "inapproprite" things to me. It goes with the territory, and I just blow it off. It means nothing. There's a hell of a lot MORE people out there that seem to think that Im approachable simply because of the way I dress and that I ride. I NEVER had SO many people just walk up to me and start talking like we were old friends like I do since I started riding. I like it! :) These circumstances are NOT the same thing as being harrassed by the police and it being rationalized by other types of bikers. *I* can make fun of them, but I WONT rationalize them being picked on by people wanting to make actual trouble for them. (like the cop incidents) There IS a difference, ya know. Being insulted by the term "ricer" makes no sense, but you're entitled to your feelings. The term isnt aimed AT you. Its aimed at the bikes being sold in America, but not MADE in America. If *I* took every dumb flaky blonde joke that came my way seriously, Id be forever pissed and insulted. > >I won't *even* go into the Harley .vs. everyoneelseintheworld argument.. >even if portions of the Harley *are* foreign...including >"ricer" parts... ;-) thats a problem that I HEARD is being worked on......... :) > >it still sounds like a double standard to me. Not to me. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:14:37 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:11:36 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop To: sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852564E6.005501C2.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11QTyz00002dA ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME >I pulled over a citizen once that I had thought violated a posted speed > >limit sign not knowing that the speed limit had been raised that day > >by 10mph (it had been a construction zone for over a year)...after the > >driver pointed that "fact" out to me, I (rather redfaced), apoligized > >to the driver, told him I felt pretty embarrassed about pulling him over > >and asked him to have a nice day...we both had a good laugh about it and > >no one left with a bad attitude...it works both ways...it's hard to > >respect a police officer if the police officer doesn't respect >*you*.... > > Very will said. I couldn't agree more. You reap what you sow. > > >..and contrary to what some people may say..it doesn't require a low >IQ > to be a cop.... > > And you would have us believe that cops don't have a monthly ticket quota. ..actually there isn't one..but then again it all depends on the jurisdiction that one works for and what the local mayor or whoever has established...there isn't quotas but no tickets = no revenue...if you don't write tickets that generate revenue then in the end seniors think you're goofing off...tickets = revenue = productive work = happy boss = possible promotion ...it sucks but that's the real world folks... > It was never stated that it requires a low IQ to be a cop. The question > was: Did you know that if you score too high on an IQ test, they consider > you to be too smart to be a cop? ...well I was invited to join MENSA...not that I did but my IQ is high enough to be personally invited to join...and no I was NOT a career cop.. it was a collateral job I had to do that was *similiar* to other duties I was assigned to do...maybe that's the difference..however the career cops are a cross section of America..some very bright and some dumber than a box of doughnuts.... we got em all...just like the rest of the military.. > > The man I saw on Good Morning America several months ago, who was rejected > the position of patrol officer because he scored too high on his IQ test, > will surely back up this argument. I would hope that most jurisdictions > don't have such ridiculous criteria, but the area that this man lived in > does. ..that's terrifying...however I wouldn't jump to conclusions based on the opinion of *one* individual in *one* circumstance...there may be alot more going on in the background that this individual isn't telling anyone...AND doesn't *want* anyone to know... > > I don't think this is right. This is just another example of how stupid > our Government and their bureaucratic way of doing things can be. ...ahmen! > > Ok time to change this thread from bashing cops to bashing the real > villains. THE STINKING GOVERNMENT. 8-) ..which one...state? local? federal? or just a blanket statement? ;-) > > On second thought. It won't do any good. I guess we might as well get > back to just talking about motorcycles. > ...probably a good idea..everytime we get a heated thread like this going notice how we start getting all these "unsubscribe" requests? I call it "herd thinning" to keep the distro list down.... ;-) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:16:25 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:16:04 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bent Wheel Rims [Was: an endless thread about rookie cops, etc] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > On second thought. It won't do any good. I guess we might as well > get back to just talking about motorcycles. Excellent idea! Say, does anybody here know of an outfit that will press-out bends in a wheel rim? I didn't notice this til several months after I purchased my bike, but the front wheel has a dent in it that appears like the previous owner took a curb or a pothole too hard. The bike is incredibly stable at speed, so I don't believe the entire wheel is off-kilter, but I would feel better if I could have it straightened. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:28:31 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: ok, hold it in! Ok, it's Friday afternoon, the ol' man is takin a half day vacation, and we're startin the weekend early, SO for all of you that STILL feel a burning desire to keep responding to ME about MY comments concerning the HOV cop...well, I mean the HOV politics, ricer, rocketeer, dressing, cops are human, cops arent human etcetc thread.... just HOLD it till Monday. Im going out riding. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:59:00 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:51:59 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:52:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop To: dc-cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E402IYN2RYGF X400-MTS-identifier: [;95152110807991/1861603@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Ok time to change this thread from bashing cops to bashing the real >villains. THE STINKING GOVERNMENT. 8-) HEY! We're not so bad! Kirk STINKING FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:14:14 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:11:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 8 TEXT here we go again..... >>I feel I should warn you all that subscribers who send unsubscribe >>messages to the dc-cycles list itself are tracked down by rookie cops >>who beat them senseless with their nightsticks. >>-harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:15:35 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:15:57 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Choat CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Choat wrote: > > Mitch wrote: > >A bit naive, are we? Police, many of them admittedly, look at society > >with an US v. THEM attitude. > An opinion. Period. I'm entitled to one, aren't I? It's also an opinion that could be substantiated with numerous pyshological studies of police officers. That is not to say that all police officers look at society in this way.....but I'd bet most in a big city would (yes, another opinion). > > >I bet they think you're kidding. > Another opinion. > Thanks for pointing that out. > >Quite politically correct. I'm sure I'm not alone, however, in > >believing that this is basically a crock. > Which is the crock, Thomas? Your opinion that police are out to get > everyone and are not people? Conveniently you cut out all of the text I was referring to. Tell me where I said that the police are not people.... > Or whether or not ploce officers > have a memory about people they see on their beat every day? Have I mentioned this either? I think you should go back and read what _I_ have written if your intention is to direct these questions at me. > They remember rather a lot, and are not incapable of exercising field > judgements based on their experiences. New officers don't have > much, admittedly, Since that seems to be the lead off example, > perhaps your arguement applies only there. That is a pretty > broad brush you are using otherwise. Broad brush with the US v. THEM statement...true. Sorry. The rest of this crap? Who knows where you got it. Check out the alt.law-enforcement newsgroup and see if you can get a response of some of this stuff if you're really interested. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX *email address shown here (not in header) is valid* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:16:35 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:19:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII . >Ok time to change this thread from bashing cops to bashing the real >villains. THE STINKING GOVERNMENT. 8-) HEY! We're not so bad! Kirk STINKING FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION Present company excepted of course. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:23:48 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:18:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd B Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd: As you know, it's an offensive term only if you get offended by it. But, believe me, people DO call me a "ricer" or "rice boy" or some variation on "rice", and yes, they DO mean to be offensive. It happens all the time. It happens particularly from African Americans, who seem to have a real animosity toward Asians. Am I offended? No. It generally confirms my first impression; that this person is an idiot. But at the same time, I know I'm pretty thick skinned. I grew up with that crap constantly being hurled at me. I literally got the shit beat out of me by a gang of teenage boys when I was about 12 because North Korea seized the USS PUEBLO. No reason other than the fact that I am 1/2 Korean. Did any of them get in trouble for it? Nope. Not from their parents, not from the school where it happened, not from the police. When that kind of discrimination is your normal experience, who can blame you for being a bit sensitive? So I don't think someone who IS offended by the term is being unreasonably sensitive. I DO think he or she should "get over it" and look toward INTENT. Did the person MEAN it to offend you? In this case, no, I don't think Squeakers did. But if you're Asian, any term with "rice" in it which is clearly not referring to the food staple is treading on thin ice. People who call my bikes "riceburners" are NOT complimenting the bikes. The unstated inferrence is that they are inferior machines, built by yellow-skinned people, in less-developed countries. It is clearly a different connotation than calling a Harley a HOG or calling a Triumph a BRIT BIKE. Nonetheless, I am not offended. One of my closest friends (a purist who ONLY owns Harleys, Indians, and Ducatis) always ribs me about "when are you going to give up those riceburners and buy real bikes?" I just bite my tongue, twist my throttle, and leave his "real bikes" in the dust. Then when he finally catches up, I tell him I prefer RIDING motorcycles to FIXING motorcycles. That's why I buy riceburners. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:32:39 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:23:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: STINKING GOVERNMENT? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STINKING USDA. Damn, all we do is make sure your food crops are plentiful and cheap, your forests are recreational and lush, your veggies are healthy, your meat is safe, and those beautiful forest roads you love to ride on are kept safe and maintained. We REALLY need to get off your case, eh? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:43:42 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:59:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop In-Reply-To: <852564E6.005501C2.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Did you know that if you score too high on an IQ test, they consider >you to be too smart to be a cop? > >The man I saw on Good Morning America several months ago, who was rejected >the position of patrol officer because he scored too high on his IQ test, >will surely back up this argument. I would hope that most jurisdictions >don't have such ridiculous criteria, but the area that this man lived in >does. This could be related to the "overqualified" applicant. If you've got a PhD and want to drive a truck, the employer might figure you'll drive a little while and then leave, because you're underemployed. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:48:31 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:45:25 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Was: Constables...Now PC To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970801160855.AAA3106@localHost> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11QV4X00004wq ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ...nah...LAST thing I'm sensitive about is my heritage... (have to be since I'm half Irish and half Japanese with a german last name!). I was just getting bored with the current thread and wanted it to change directions on something that's equally as fun to thrash about (harleys vs hondas..etc)... ;-) cheers, -aki > > Aki, > > Defending the apparently undefendable here. I think she was referring > to the preference of motorcycle and not your heritage. I've never > heard of a Japanese person ever called a 'ricer'. > > Now, are you THAT sensitive, or just trying to pick a fight? > Do you really feel harrassed because of what someone else thinks about > what your wearing? Fashion slave? Knock it off and quit snivaling. > > Todd > > (put'n on my flame retardant suit now:-)) > > >...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term > >"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only > >referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the > >country of origin doesn't it? . Additionally, you > >go on to poke fun at what a person is wearing (e.g. colorful > >clothes, large helmet)...right after saying that one should'n't > >be harassed just because of what they're wearing... > > > >I won't *even* go into the Harley .vs. everyoneelseintheworld argument.. > >even if portions of the Harley *are* foreign...including > >"ricer" parts... ;-) > > > >it still sounds like a double standard to me. > >> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX > >> > >> At 10:51 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote: > >> > > >> >..I don't get it...first you call people who ride Japanese > >> >motorcycles "ricers" then you go on to say that you shouldn't > >> >stereotype.... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Actually, if you read what I said, then you'll see that I was saying that > >> stereotypes doesnt make it ACCEPTABLE to HARRASS someone for. I DO have an > >> "image" of SOME "ricers" and "rocketeers". Especially rocketeers. Ive never > >> denied that. I dont think Ive ever HIDDEN that, either. *I* ride rice (for > >> the moment. As soon as I can permanently get off it, I will). REGARDLESS of > >> my "image" towards SOME riders ( And I DO mean SOME) I would NEVER condone > >> or accept or rationalize their being set apart and harrassed by anyone for > >> any reason. Even if they ARE dressed in spiffy multi colored full body > >> armour and huge helmets that make their heads bob like those little toys you > >> can get to put in your car window dash. Remember those? They're cute! > >> > >> > >> Squeakers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:52:23 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:48:38 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Bent Wheel Rims [Was: an endless thread about rookie cops, etc] To: wweiss@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <33E20BC0.C48DE0F@digex.net> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11QV8g00004Aw ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME don't know of one off hand, however I'm also curious if anyone knows of a good aluminum wheel cleaner for my rims...the plastic "stuff" has worn off long ago and now the rim looks pitted and dirty...I tried naval jelly but it didn't seem to do much to get it "shiny"...maybe Nevrdull? cheers, -aki > Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > > > On second thought. It won't do any good. I guess we might as well > > get back to just talking about motorcycles. > > Excellent idea! Say, does anybody here know of an outfit that will press-out > bends in a wheel rim? I didn't notice this til several months after I > purchased my bike, but the front wheel has a dent in it that appears like the > previous owner took a curb or a pothole too hard. The bike is incredibly > stable at speed, so I don't believe the entire wheel is off-kilter, but I > would feel better if I could have it straightened. > > -- > > ************************************************************************ > Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet > Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza > mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 > http://www.digex.net > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:57:28 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:55:38 -0400 From: Dale Coyner Organization: Appalachian Highways X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Motorcycle TImes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike: Yeah, I know all about Art Crow. What a unique individual. His Daytona "hearing dog" story is worth the price of admission alone. He also has a new and very slick tire-changing machine that is kind to my rims. d. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 14:00:22 1997 X-ROUTED: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:56:24 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: Moto Mag Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:58:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Beck wrote: >It's too bad they don't have a WEB site. They could put the events >calendar on it, which would provide another way of checking what's going on >in the area. Maybe we should put up a calendar on someone's web page and try and keep it updated, any suggestions. I'd be willing to give it a try, maybe we could post rides and so on. Ck Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 14:02:09 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:52:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: the flames, the flames Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I'm a weirdo (no need to respond to that statement - it's rhetorical) but I think a list SHOULD have an occasional flame burst. Kind of like getting your bike on a wide-open road and zipping it through the gears to redline a few times. Clears out the carbon fouling. It's certainly no reason to unsubscribe, is it? If it is, I'm on thin rice - oops, I meant ice. Freudian slip. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 14:09:36 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:08:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC > Nonetheless, I am not offended. One of my closest friends (a purist >who ONLY owns Harleys, Indians, and Ducatis) always ribs me about "when >are you going to give up those riceburners and buy real bikes?" SInce when is purist associated with people who buy bikes from different countries? With few exceptions (Ducati's 916, for example), few brand new Harleys can keep pace with the state of the art Japanese bikes, just ask the editors of Motorcyclist magazine who named Hondas the top of practically every class of motorcycle. _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 14:14:16 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tjoseph@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: Re: STINKING GOVERNMENT? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 13:23 08:01:1997 -0400, you wrote: >STINKING USDA. > > Damn, all we do is make sure your food crops are plentiful and cheap, >your forests are recreational and lush, your veggies are healthy, your >meat is safe, and those beautiful forest roads you love to ride on are >kept safe and maintained. We REALLY need to get off your case, eh? > Yeah, all those farmers and food companies want to give their customers bad meat and bad veggies. That'll ensure repeat customers (pun intended). And they'll all immediately start growing lima beans and brussel sprouts if left unchecked. I personally thank God every day for government regulations (check out the new helmet laws in Texas as an example). Mike 1990 CB-1 _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 15:43:51 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle TImes Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:41:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT, 43 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Yeah, I know all about Art Crow. What a unique individual. Understatement >His Daytona "hearing dog" story is worth the price of admission alone. Thought I was gonna die from laughing - anybody but Art and I wouldn't have believed them. >He also has a new and very slick tire-changing machine that is kind to my rims. 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Steel would be easier > to bend as you know. It's the stock steel wheel. yeah, mag or aluminum wheels are best replaced or left alone if they aren't too damaged. > Consider purchasing a salvaged wheel to fit. You have to be very careful that the wheel isn't off a wrecked bike. I converted the 19" front wheel on my CB750 to an 18" wheel from a wrecked CB450 (I believe) one time. The front end shimmied dangerously above 30 mph. A trip to a shop set everything in order, though. The old ComCast or ComStar or ComWhatever were apparently easy to fix. The bike is a '91 Zephyr 750. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 17:17:59 1997 From: Polakj@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:17:17 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe subscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:04:23 1997 X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 18:03:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Humidity problems? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings all, Before I get to my question on humidity problems..... I read very few of the posts on the last thread, but I did note several unsubscribes (even if they were to the wrong address) and there were probably many more that went to the right one. As for the occasional "flame battle" clearing out the pipes, all it is doing is pushing out some of the long time riders that were hear to share their knowledge on bikes. Occasional would be OK, but over the past year, it seems that occasional is every other week!! Sorry for that....On to my problems... Has anyone else out there had problems when the heat and humidity skyrocket?? Last Sunday I went on a great ride out into West VA. Unfortuneately, my bike was running like dog snot the whole day. Although the needle never went way too high like it does in traffic, my bike ran very hot. Enough so to get some dribbles out of the radiator overflow (this has never happened before). The ambient air temp was around 100+- some, and the humidity was way up too. The bike was also running extremely rich. The exhaust shows signs of it (lots of carbon on the pipe), and my fuel consumption was way above normal. My bike is tuned for sea level (but it's been a while) and most of the ride was at a pretty spirited pace and also at elevation (mountains most of the day). I especially noticed the problems off idle. Taking off from a stop, the bike really bogged down, came back up OK after 3k, hiccupped again between 5 and 6k then continued on. The entire day I noticed a marked decrease in power. Other pieces of info: New plugs and Golden Spectro oil 2 days before (no problems with the synthetic blend in the past, and the same type plugs as always use). Valves are nearing need for adjustment, but I don't think that really factors too much (I could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time). Bike has 23k hard ridden (those that know me...) miles total, no rebuilds, or other major work, etc. Since the humidity and temps have come back down, everything seems to be back to normal, although the daily commute is nowhere near as taxing on the bike as the weekend riding. Anyone out there have any ideas...similar experiences?? Ironically, the day that whole HOV cop thingy started, I had had that thought on the way to work on 66...."wouldn't it be strange if a cop stopped me and said bikes weren't allowed on HOV..." Hope I didn't jinx the poor fella. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:16:19 1997 X-Sender: whiteside@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:18:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: Constables on Patrol Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199708011538.AA26852@egate2.citicorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:24 AM 8/1/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote: > >...maybe it sematics...however BEING Japanese..I consider the term >"ricer" not only derogatory but racist..even if you *are* only >referring to the manufacturer..which really boils down to the >country of origin doesn't it? . Thanks for saying this; I grimace every time I read or hear one of those idiotic "rice" comments. Hey, maybe we can call Harleys "wheaties" or "cornies" or something from now on. * * * John Whiteside Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:16:20 1997 X-Sender: whiteside@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:19:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC In-Reply-To: <19970801160855.AAA3106@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:05 PM 8/1/97 -0400, Todd B Peer wrote: > Defending the apparently undefendable here. I think she was referring >to the preference of motorcycle and not your heritage. I've never >heard of a Japanese person ever called a 'ricer'. > > Now, are you THAT sensitive, or just trying to pick a fight? >Do you really feel harrassed because of what someone else thinks about >what your wearing? Fashion slave? Knock it off and quit snivaling. I think it's fair to point out that there is potentially a racist connotation to a term like "ricer," even if racism isn't what the original writer intended (and I think it pretty clearly is NOT what was intended). * * * John Whiteside Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:16:22 1997 X-Sender: whiteside@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:25:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: STINKING GOVERNMENT? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199708011813.OAA02971@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:13 PM 8/1/97 -0400, M.P. Tolocka wrote: >Yeah, all those farmers and food companies want to give their customers bad >meat and bad veggies. That'll ensure repeat customers (pun intended). And >they'll all immediately start growing lima beans and brussel sprouts if left >unchecked. I personally thank God every day for government regulations >(check out the new helmet laws in Texas as an example). As long as we're getting off topic -- the people growing and processing food tend to operate on thin margins, and a good regimen of sanitation and testing costs money. Food producers mean well, but they are under tremendous economic pressure, and mistakes happen. That's why the government requires certain sanitary procedures and certain types of testing. Since you can't feed a highly urban society like ours by having everyone grow their own food or get it from some closeby, this is a necessity, and I for one am very glad that there are government regulations designed to make sure that food is safe, even after it's processed, stored, shipped around the country, etc. John, who used to work for a company that made food and dairy safety test equipment. * * * John Whiteside Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:32:27 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:31:48 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs at Mont. College, Rockville In a message dated 97-08-01 10:18:36 EDT, I wrote: << Hey, y'all- It was gratifying to see a 90 and a 94+ VFR sitting by my 87 at MC today. Was it anybody here? >> Somebody's server is _real slow_. I sent this message Thursday afternoon and recieved it Friday afternoon. That means the VFRs were there Thursday. I don't know what was there today, 'cause I wasn't. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:47:12 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:46:32 -0400 (EDT) To: lansford@XXXXXX@iname.com, burdo@XXXXXX, Speed.racer@XXXXXX, modern@XXXXXX, VFRdgz@XXXXXX, jolie@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 92 VFR sold!!!! Hey, y'all- Just want to thank all involved for their interest and support, especially those who contributed webpage bandwidth for my photos. I've sold my wrecked 92 VFR to a dc-cycles lister, who will surely want to give you the news himself, so I'll say no more about him. After many attempts at other deals, I do actually have a certified check, and he actually has the title and bill of sale. I still have the bike for a few hours. I got what I paid for it (and the extra parts), and that's all I needed. Just didn't have the time to cope with fixing it. The new owner has the most of the parts lined up and will get to work soon. Andrew, could you please bounce this note over to the VFR list? Thanks. Thats all, folks. Kevin Now only one VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:55:48 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 97 18:50:33 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Seeing bikes... and VFR's in particular.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm gonna jump in and follow Kevins desire to know if someone's been riding somewhere... 2:30pm, Friday afternoon... Route 1 and Contee road in Laurel, MD. I saw a pretty clean 93 VFR, white lid, shorts and t-shirt... going south on route 1.. anyone here? How about a F2 a few minutes later at the junction of contee and Van Dusen road... rider and pillion, again, in shorts... heading south on Van Dusen? Just curious..... Ride safe (and I envy those who have tomorrow off). Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 19:06:06 1997 X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 19:05:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Online Calendar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's a pretty good idea. I've been toying with the idea of a message board on my website anyhow....Give me the weekend and maybe a few days next week to get everything set up and we'll see how it goes. Collin ps: For anyone new on the list, I have a handful of ride sheets on my web page already. More contributions are always encouraged :) CT _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 19:50:38 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:50:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list Subject: batter charger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i have a 1 amp motorcycle battery charger (trickle charger) for sale. (i've replaced it with a "smart" battery tender that won't overcharge a fully charged battery). less than 1 year old, works perfectly, $10 if you pick it up (i live in laurel). -D- Cynthia Alice DiPaula was born 9 June 1997, 3:36 p.m., 7 lb. 10 oz., 20.5" "Damage jackals ripping right through you: sight and smell of this it, gets me going." -JH My 1988 Mazda MX-6 is for sale, email me if interested. My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is for sale, email me if interested, or read my CB-1 description From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 20:46:30 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:45:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: John Whiteside , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC >> Defending the apparently undefendable here. I think she was referring >>to the preference of motorcycle and not your heritage. I've never >>heard of a Japanese person ever called a 'ricer'. >> >> Now, are you THAT sensitive, or just trying to pick a fight? >>Do you really feel harrassed because of what someone else thinks about >>what your wearing? Fashion slave? Knock it off and quit snivaling. > >I think it's fair to point out that there is potentially a racist >connotation to a term like "ricer," even if racism isn't what the original >writer intended (and I think it pretty clearly is NOT what was intended). > Me again. Home for a few. As far as Im concerned, EVERYTHING is going to seem "racist" to someone, somewhere. Or at least thats the way it seems to have gotten. Have we become that thin skinned in this country? I didnt mean "ricer" as in a people, I meant "ricer" as in a bike. Shit, even *I* ride rice at the moment, and dont mind calling MY bike a ricer. If you choose to take what I say as being racist, then be my guest. It's your choice to interpret and believe whatever you want. I absolutely will NOT change what I say for anyone. Bikes made in Japan are called "rice". Harleys are called HOGS. As in a fucking PIG, for gods sake. I cant believe this entire conversation. Calling a japanese bike a "ricer" is potentially racist? Get a grip, people. Squeakers-feeling disgusted > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 21:31:05 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 92 VFR sold!!!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Congratulations. I swear if I wasn't stretched so thin for cash you and I would've been shakin' hands. I rode with Allen Wheat last weekend and got to see his '92 up close. A very impressive ride. Next year (when I have the dough) I will definately be in search of the '92 ViFR. Todd Hey, y'all- Just want to thank all involved for their interest and support, especially those who contributed webpage bandwidth for my photos. I've sold my wrecked 92 VFR to a dc-cycles lister, who will surely want to give you the news himself, so I'll say no more about him. <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 21:44:17 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 21:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e > >I think it's fair to point out that there is potentially a racist >connotation to a term like "ricer," even if racism isn't what the original >writer intended (and I think it pretty clearly is NOT what was intended). > Me again. Home for a few. As far as Im concerned, EVERYTHING is going to seem "racist" to someone, somewhere. Or at least thats the way it seems to have gotten. Have we become that thin skinned in this country? <> Bikes made in Japan are called "rice". Harleys are called HOGS. As in a fucking PIG, for gods sake. I cant believe this entire conversation. Calling a japanese bike a "ricer" is potentially racist? Get a grip, people. I thought Harleys were called Hardlys. As in Hardly ever runs the way you want. Hardly ever gets dirty with bugs (loud pipes save 'bugs').....just kidding.. ;^) Todd PS. Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay, and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort of gathering of DC-Cycles. 'The DC-Cycles Summit'. It's been my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool. I'm thinking October 10th to party, friends family and association. If I get a good response I'll look into location. If not, I'm moving to Baltimore. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 21:56:49 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:56:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Todd B Peer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC > I thought Harleys were called Hardlys. As in Hardly ever runs > the way you want. Hardly ever gets dirty with bugs (loud pipes > save 'bugs').....just kidding.. ;^) hehehe Ive heard em all!!! :) :) Dont forget the "pickup trucks and Harley relationship" stuff. youknow,they break so down much yagotta put em in the back of a pickup. :) :) > > PS. > Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay, > and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially > those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort > of gathering of DC-Cycles. 'The DC-Cycles Summit'. It's been > my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to > be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool. I'm thinking > October 10th to party, friends family and association. If I get > a good response I'll look into location. If not, I'm moving to > Baltimore. > > That MIGHT actually be FUN! 'course, that COULd be thevodka thinkin that. Nope, i think it WOUDL be! let me Know what you come Up with! hehehe 6that sounds DIRTY!!! :) :) nevera mind hey brian!!! wahtcha tink!! :) :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 22:31:25 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 97 22:25:34 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , , Subject: Re[2]: Was: Constables...Now PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what follows has been QUOTED... hey brian!!! wahtcha tink!! :) :) Squeakers what precedes has been QUOTED. I can tink?? damn, unrealized skill.... I've had varied experiences meeting people from the net... as long as noone wants me to adorn their living room.. I'll be fine. brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 23:28:02 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 23:17:31 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Bent Wheel Rims To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199708011751.AA29722@egate2.citicorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Aki.Damme wrote: > don't know of one off hand, however I'm also curious if anyone knows > of a good aluminum wheel cleaner for my rims...the plastic "stuff" has > worn off long ago and now the rim looks pitted and dirty...I tried > naval jelly but it didn't seem to do much to get it "shiny"...maybe > Nevrdull? Nah,you need real polish.Nevrdull might get them shiny,but it won't protect from corrosion.Try MAAS,or if you can find it,Flitz.I used to have a tube of Flitz,and I use MAAS on my PM wheels. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 00:44:47 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 00:44:03 -0400 (EDT) To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: list party Hey, y'all- Was that Todd who came up with the party idea? Whoever it was, I'll be there. Oct 10 is just 9 days before I turn the big 3-0, so I could use a party. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 01:19:22 1997 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:19:11 -0400 (EDT) To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moto & non-moto related From: sbeck@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:51:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Moto & non-moto related It's too bad they don't have a WEB site. They could put the events calendar on it, which would provide another way of checking what's going on in the area. The last time I talked to the editor of the Motorcycle Times he said that they were looking into getting a web page. Until that happens I'm typing in bits and pieces of their schedule into the CAMS events page. No way I can keep up with the shear volume of stuff in the Times so it isn't always up to date or accurate. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 07:15:11 1997 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 07:15:35 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Squeakers wrote: > >Hell, on my >itty bike, I rarely even go much over the speed limit. Yet, I get followed. >Quite often. Why? > Well . . . I'd follow a blond on a bike anywhere she wanted to take me. :-) Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 10:39:19 1997 From: Stephen To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Herd Thinning [was: Rights vs Priviledges [was: Rookie MCP Cop...ff Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:39:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So we should all be nice to the cops? Unfortunately we don't know if = they are pro choice or not. I'd think that asking wouldn't be too cool, = but then again, maybe it would let us know. Maybe there is a correlation = between officers who are pro-choice, or pro-life, and officers who = routinely pull over motorcyclists to see if their registration is up to = date, and their license valid. Since a majority of patrol officers (unfortunately) are male, and = statistically, about 10% of the male population is gay, shouldn't we get = to meet a whole bunch of gay police officers (and I'm not just referring = to the happy ones) before we get off a motorcycle that final time. Can we stop these questionably m/c related threads that take up huge = bandwidth (perhaps I need a new provider), or can talk about motorcycles = so the good folks on this list don't all get bored out of their trees. > On second thought. It won't do any good. I guess we might as well = get > back to just talking about motorcycles. ..probably a good idea..everytime we get a heated thread like this = going notice how we start getting all these "unsubscribe" requests? =20 I call it "herd thinning" to keep the distro list down.... ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 14:40:31 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 97 14:34:16 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: list party MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunataly, I've got a MARRC party that same day... I think I'm going to go hang arround with the MARRC guys.... Brian P.S. Kevin... dang, I thought you were a tad younger... guess the VFR(old mans sport bike) is living up to it's name here.... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: list party Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 8/2/97 12:56 AM Hey, y'all- Was that Todd who came up with the party idea? Whoever it was, I'll be there. Oct 10 is just 9 days before I turn the big 3-0, so I could use a party. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 16:14:47 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:14:00 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: free ticket to Summit Point Hey, y'all- I have a wristband for the races tomorrow that I'm not using. A bit of tape and it'll be good as new. I don't know how Collin gets these things off without cutting them. Anyway, you can come get it any time. I'm in Potomac MD, just 3-4 miles from the 270 exits at Falls or Montrose. Easy to find. I'll put it out in the mailbox, but call (before midnite) and tell me that you want it so nobody comes for it after it's gone. If you don't get this note before midnite, you're welcome to check my box anyway. I'll put the intended recipient's name on it. If there's no name, take it. I'll put some tape out there too. Phone 301-424-5319 >From 270 and Falls, take Falls west, 3rd light turn right on Falls Chapel, 2nd stopsign turn left on Wooden Bridge, next left on Stable House Ct, I'm 2nd on left, 12608, the one with all the cars. >From 270 and Montrose, take Montrose west to the end at Falls, turn right on Falls, first light turn left on Falls Chapel, continue as above. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 18:58:36 1997 From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:57:55 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sharon *sans wheels*... noooooo! Hi Everyone! Well, Jon has led the advance charge to Phoenix - our new home - aboard Wasabi (Green Ninja 750). I am left behind for the next two weeks with no way to ride. I'll be reading the invitations and recaps with a heavy and jealous heart. This totally bites the big one. Think of me as you ride... *sniff sniff* Anybody planning a trek across the western desert, give us a call! My email will remain Barbelle14@XXXXXX. BTW - I will obviously need to de-subscribe as of 8/15. Thanks for everything! Sharon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 13:50:04 1997 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 13:50:38 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Moto List CC: vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday at Summit Point Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang (DC Cycles + VF/VFR List), Saturday I cornered for MARRC during the WERA National race , which was held at Summit Point, W.VA. This was a four hour endurance race. Unfortunately, about 90 minutes was lost due to rain, and a number of red-flag incidents. One unlucky rider high-sided at turn #8 and both he and Suzook cart-wheeled about 100' or more directly in front of me (deep pickup position, for the cognoscenti). It was not pretty. The rider managed to crawl off the track (rider's right), the bike lay on its side in the very middle and racers were passing on both sides. I checked how he was (in a bit of pain) and assured him the ambulance was right there. In what was to me a very long time, but was probably less than 30 seconds, the race was finally red-flagged. I ventured out carefully onto the track, picked up the bike while riders were now passing me at a more moderate 35 or so ;)and moved it off the track. The ambulance came right away and the ET's put an icepack on his foot and brought him to the hospital. I hope No. 401 (never did find out his name) is recuperating. That was a nasty spill ! On a lighter note, I filled up the tank of the ole' Interceptor with "Purple" 115 racing fuel, while at the track. It cost about $4.00/gal. My seat of the pants reaction on the brisk Dulles Greenway ride home =8^D was that acceleration was not only improved, but the engine even seemed to run smoother. Other VFR news. Saw a couple of interesting VFRs too. A very nice 1986 VFR700 - white, completely stock the owner picked up in B'more. VF cool ;) And another white one, this time a '91 (I think), mint, with an incongruous tailpack (hard-shell, white) which looked better suited to a PC or a GW, but whatever... Oh yeah, and several 92-97 (how can you tell?) VFRs. Later, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 19:33:20 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 97 19:27:23 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Cc: Subject: Sunday at PA sportbike gathering with HSTA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whee... I'm just replying from John's e-mail about the Summit Point experience... (BTW, 92-93 are the same as 90-91, they change in 94 to be identical... *grin*) I want to know, first and foremost, were there any VFR listers in Elphtra (SP!), PA today? I saw tons of bikes.. everything from an 86 700, and 87 700F2 (VFR guys... you know), an 86 VFkR, and lots and lots of 90-97 VFRs... One particularly pristine, sleeper 93 (no stickers) that had a pearlized windscreen.. Also saw, and sat on, a new Bimota YB11... wow, impressive looking, and sounding. A beautiful Mike Hailwood Ducati replica was also in attendance... (all of these bike were ridden there.. or at least I think so.. didn't see any trailers... but then again, I've never seen so many harleys in one place at one time without most of the being towed... *shrug*) We stuck arround for maybe 2 hours... talking to people, looking at the bikes, and just generaly COOKING (hot day today). Took off for home... The ride was kinda sorry I must say... Mostly interstate up there, and slow, non-curvy - heavily traveled roads home. Some pretty country.. lots of omish on the roads today.. Another ride with HSTA might happen, but only if I can't line up another ride for that day... This ones just short and sweet.. I still haven't showered, and I'm just doing a quick e-mail check.. everyone ride safe, and enjoy yourselves. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f (Ducati ST2 or 94+VFR next?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 22:25:00 1997 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 22:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: deal's gap, bears & more X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e X-post from HSTA... This kinda suks for me since I'm planning for the TN-STAR, just beyond Deals GAP. I WILL pass on the yellow lines. Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 19:14:00 -0500 Sender: owner-hsta@XXXXXX From: Tom Catron To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: deal's gap, bears & more My wife arranged for a cabin in the Smokey Mountains last week and I was able to take my ST due to the fine break in the weather (she drove the kids in the cage-wagon). I left Wednesday and went straight to Deal's Gap to run the dragon. What a suprise (read "disappointment") to find 18 wheeler traffic going over Rte 129. About 2 miles into the Dragon, I encountered my first big truck, with 4 cars behind it. It was nearly stuck on a switch-back, consuming both lanes of traffic and the trailer wheels threatening to take the guard rails out. I quickly passed the truck (and cars) and decided to escort this thing thru the gap. So I rode about 1/4 mile in front and stopping traffic (in the switch backs) or warning people to slow down. It took about 25 minutes to get to the Crossroads store. While gassing up and getting a cold drink, 2 other big trucks went through. As I suited up to go back over the dragon and on to our cabin, I got behind another 18 wheeler. Since I was in no mood to escort, I simply passed him and pressed on. Then I encountered an 18 wheeler coming from the opposite direction. Major pucker factor, as these guys don't bother slowing down and consume all possible asphalt going thru the tightest corners. What a bummer! I approached every corner thereafter with great caution and little speed. That was 318 curves in 11 miles of pure anxiety. Oh yeah, there were pictures on the wall of the Crossroads store of the Deputy Sheriff that took chase of a sport bike. The county-mounty promptly went off the road and down the mtn in his hot pursuit. Fortunately, he was unhurt, but was suspended 10 days for chasing a MC (apparently forbidden due to the danger). Turns out the MC rider (leaving his license plate at the store) deliberately provoked (using the universal middle finger sign) the deputy because the deputy had shot his pit bull. Oh well, not exactly how I would handle it. On the return trip home (Sunday), I had to go through Deal's Gap again. This time there were no big trucks and the sport riders were out in force. It appears that I40 (in ASheville, NC) may be closed for several more months and the traffic will continue to use Rte 129. SO if you visit Deal's Gap during the weekday, beware what you might encounter in a tight turn. I continued down Rte 129 to towards Robbinsville, NC to pick up the new Scenic Byway to Tellico Plains (the parkway name escapes, but it was something like Chernobyl, er Charanola, or something like that). This is a very scenic parkway that connects Rte 143 (NC) and Rte 165 (TN) and reputed to be unfriendly to motorcyclists. Fortunately, I didn'y see any patrols. I did see a momma black bear crossing the road with her 2 cubs (my second life-time bear encounter). I stopped and watched at about 40 yards. Momma stopped at the other side of the road and looked at me as if to say "don't mess with my kids" and was off into the thickets. Later I was promptly passed (why does this always happen?) by 3 Hawks (2 VTRs and 1 GT-650). I rode with them at an accelerated pace for about 10 miles and had a blast. I did notice that despite their speed, they never passed on the dble yellow line. I don't understand the 30 mph posted speed on the TN side. Still, it is a ride worth taking. As I crossed over the Watts Barr damn (site of the Watts Barr nuclear power plant), I was struck by the roadside signs that read: "Watts Barr Evacuation Route". Just in case, I suppose. I won't bore you with the rest of the twisty windy roads back to Nashville. Tom STOC, HSTA 93 ST1100 RompSTer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 03:08:29 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:07:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: deal's gap, bears & more Hey, y'all- I've heard before about the logging trucks running thru the Gap, and it doesn't really make me want to go out there. They really get all over the road, even when I-40 isn't closed. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 07:26:15 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: deal's gap, bears & more Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 04:24:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT, 54 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >It appears that I40 (in ASheville, NC) may be closed for several more months...< I did my IronButt qualification ride (SS1000) last summer - the route included I-40 west to I-81 - at that time, I-40 had one lane shut down for repairs causing a 19 mile backup. I was polite for a bit (I stayed in traffic), but it soon became obvious that I would either melt my engine by keeping it running with no airflow or kill the battery from repeated starts - so I took to the shoulder and continued on in 1st gear at about 5-10 MPH. After a bit, I came up to one of North Carolina'a finest stuck in traffic. I could see him watching me in his mirror as I approached, so I stopped beside his car, pointed to my engine and made a fanning motion with my hand - nice guy - he waved me on. Even so, it took 90 minutes to cover the 30 miles to Newport TN (vs the 25 minutes I had planned). One does wonder how long an Interstate can be shut down.... Michael Jordan '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100GP AMA IBA etc. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(CL+`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````-S,V1#,Y M.3 Y.#!#1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`" `' ``0`` M`!T```!213H@9&5A;"=S(&=A<"P@8F5A M``@0`0```&4```!)5$%04$5!4E-42$%4230P*$E.05-(159)3$Q%+$Y#*4U! 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It cost about $4.00/gal.< FWIW - I just returned from the UK last week - that's just about what pump gas costs there. I did stumble across a vintage moto whilst rambling about - the sound of blatting thumpers and burned castor alerted me that something was happening - I saw the course from the road, found the most likely dirt path up the hill (for the car), turned into the parking area and suddenly, it was 1972! Greeves, Bultacos, Montesas, BSAs (Gold Stars and others - a few Victors), Triumphs (mostly in Metisse drag), the assorted AJS and even a JAP powered machine. If I got any decent photos, I'll make them available to the list when I get the film processed. 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M`````````!X`"8 (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#>%```!`````0`````` M```>``J "" &``````# ````````1@`````XA0```0````$``````````P`F M```````#`#8```````(!^3\!````'@````````#`````````-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"X` M```>`/H_`0```!4```!3>7-T96T@061M:6YI`#T``0````4```!213H@``````L`*0``````"P`C```````" M`7\``0```#X````\8SU54R5A/5\E<#U6:7-A)6P]5DE302].04U%4DE#02\P @,# Y,D,V1$!M Subject: Re: Was: Constables...Now PC In-Reply-To: <19970802014331.AAA13103@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay, > and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially > those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort > of gathering of DC-Cycles. 'The DC-Cycles Summit'. It's been > my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to > be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool. I'm thinking > October 10th to party, friends family and association. That's a Friday -- were you thinking of an evening party? How about a ride-in instead? In principle, I think it would be a grand idea. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 08:39:08 1997 X-ROUTED: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:35:00 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: RF 600 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:37:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I own an RF 600 and they are indeed a really nice bike, it was a decision of either buying a katana 600 which was 500.00 cheaper. I liked the bigger fairing and tires and the racer styling and looks. I have since then found out that I need to do some little upgrades, like tires a better seat for longer rides and whatever else I like in the future, But all in all the bike is very nice, plus it's rare to see them which makes it stick out in a crowd of 3 or 4 CBR's, GSXR's or ZX's so a stock bike looks cool and you don't have to do much customizing. Just my .02 Ck Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 10:12:16 1997 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Calendar, party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Hey, that's right. Helps to look at a calender. Thus far I am pleased with the responses I've gotten. Looks like I don't need to pak it to Baltimore after all. Two points were brought to my attention; 1) October 10th is Yom Kippur(sp), and 2) that is the weekend of a MARRC party. So, here is another suggestion. Have the clan meet on October 18th (which is a Saturday, I checked). I believe there is a PARR Fall Foliage poker run on Sunday. At this time I'd be willing to host if people would'nt mind bringing some food and making a beer money contribution (I've got a 'frig with tap). I've also got plenty of space to crash (er...rest). Then, on Sunday make it out to the Poker Run. Todd PS. further rsvp appreciated so I know how much effort to put into this. > Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay, > and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially > those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort > of gathering of DC-Cycles. 'The DC-Cycles Summit'. It's been > my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to > be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool. I'm thinking > October 10th to party, friends family and association. That's a Friday -- were you thinking of an evening party? How about a ride-in instead? In principle, I think it would be a grand idea. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 10:42:25 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: DC CYCLES PARRR-TAYYYY!!!! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:39:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 27 TEXT Personally, I'm glad you don't have to move to Baltimore! : ) (Non Moto Note: As a lifelong Pittsburgh Steelers fan, I used to pick on the Cleveland Browns, then I moved down here, and that darned team followed me. Of course, they are the Ravens now. Same crappy team. Therefore, I feel sorry for Baltimore, and Baltimorons The DC Cycles Summit idea sounds great, Todd! The 18th is looking good so far. I hadn't heard about PARR ride, so that's even better. Everyone, bring your bikes in and show 'em off! Sounds like a fun party in the making. Anyone else interested in this? Come on now, pipe up! Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 11:02:21 1997 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:00:32 -0400 From: Dale Coyner Organization: Appalachian Highways X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Highways Tour coming up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All: FWIW, I spent a little time out in western Virginia yesterday, mapping the route for the 3rd Appalachian Highways Tour. Ran across an interesting little dot on the map called Siler. Not much there except for a picturesque country store. The surrounding area is beautiful and the road is sufficiently swoopy. It's a good destination for a day ride. Speaking of the Highways tour, if you like relaxed touring, good company, and great food and lodging, you should consider joining us. The tour runs the last weekend of September, and it benefits the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the US, aka the Ride For Kids. If you'd like details, check out http://www.his.com/dale/tour.htm d. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:35:55 1997 From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: MIR Drag Sunday! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:18:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday was a great time over at MIR for the all-motorcycle shootout!! I didn't do as well on the E.T. and trap speed as expected though. This was my first time at the track on a bike, and it was awesome even if I didn't break into the 9's. I managed to run a 10.8x @ 128mph the first run, and after a couple more runs, and dropped into consistant10.7's @ 129mph with some practice. The secret is obviously in your launch technique and shown by the 60' and 1/8th mile E.T. and trap speeds. Considering that ZX11's turn 10.28 @ 134mph stock, I thought I would do better, but let me be the first to tell you that it is ALOT more difficult than you think!! I'm sure I can make up another .50-.70 in the 1/8th with another few weeks of practice. Another problem I had is that I've changed my gearing (-1 on the front sprocket and +2 teeth on the rear), so I was forced to shift into 5th gear just before the finish line @ redline. Stock gearing allows you to pull the entire 1/4 mile in 4th gear. But I like the gears I have for street riding.. My 60' times were 1.70's by the end of the day, but I'd expected to do alot better. My 1/8 mile marks read 6.9's and 7.0's, so I know THAT is where I need to make the improvements. There were some dudes there ripping off 10.40's on GSXR-750s with alot slower trap speeds, so I know that there is ALOT quicker E.T. and trap coming with more practice. My friend Rich made 2nd round bracket elimination's on his CBR900RR with a best E.T. of 11.17 @ 124mph. His average runs were 11.3's @ 120mph. My other friend Dave with his 145HP ZX11 turned real low 11.0's @ 134mph or so last time I talked to him, but not sure if he broke into the 10's or not. His bike definitely shows it's power in the trap speed. I'd say we did pretty good for track virgins, and we're looking forward to heading back and learning more and improving our off-the-line launches. The best part of the day was when I stomped a drag-ready GSXR-100 with lowered suspension and extended swingarm, etc. The GSXR looked very intimidating but that just proves that a fast bike doesn't mean squat if you can't put the power to the ground! See you guys next Friday night @ MIR for practice ($12) 6pm! Berg '95 ZX11D Bergie Frazier, Jr., Owner Paragon Consulting 4451 Brookfield Corporate Drive, Suite 112 Chantilly, VA 20151-1693 TEL: 703-968-3023 FAX: 703-968-3025 EMAIL: bergie@XXXXXX WWW: paragon-consulting.com FTP: 207.96.57.227 STORE HOURS: 9AM-6PM Monday-Thursday, Friday 9-3pm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:52:40 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:49:23 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:49:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: MIR Drag Sunday! To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E39IYQ2Z3HO X400-MTS-identifier: [;32943140807991/1865162@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >The best part of the day was when I stomped a drag-ready GSXR-100 I've taken drag-ready GSXR-100s with my Hawk GT. Like they say, "there's no replacement for displacement." I'm suprised there are so many of these little GSXRs out there, I thought they were Japan only bikes... Seriously, while I was tempted with going out to this thing I think it would simply be embarrassing for the bike and myself. Hawks just ain't drag racers. Take your ZX-11 to the twisties though and it may be another story altogether... Thanks for the report, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:12:35 1997 From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Yates, David" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: MIR Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:45:19 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That's Damn good, did you slip the clutch thru 1st or just ride out the > wheelie? I just slipped it a little, but I didn't launch as hard as I could have because on the street the last time Tom and I raced, it felt like I really took off faster than when I was at the track. I think it was a combination of being nervous at the track, and not having the desire associated with wanted to stomp one of your friends on the street. > my RT improved every time. I still haven't got the takeoff right. My reaction time was consistent .068 and a couple of high .05's, but that is probably because I run my car at the track almost every week and the experience carried over. > I found that the best run I had was actually shifting at an indicated > 12k, but my powerpak is set to actual 12 k so I wasn't hitting it. That > was fun, I'll definitely give it some more. I got sunburned too, but > not that bad. I didn't think we'd be standing around so much, but as > usual, the later in the day/evening, the slower it gets. I'm going to experiment with different shift points and see what that will yield. I too have some serious sunburn from standing around all day waiting my turn to run. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:14:08 1997 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturdays VA/WV Ride Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:14:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 57 TEXT I thought I'd fill everyone in on our great ride we had Saturday. Especially to Rub it on Brian who couldn't be with us. ;-). Three of us left Annandale around 9:45. Unfortunately Kevin just missed us by about 5 minutes. Kirk and I decided to take the express (AKA boring) way out there so that we could have more time riding on US 33, US 250, and other roads. We started with the usual I-495 to I-66, to I-81. Not much to say for this part of the trip except for some crazy little old lady in a cage with DC tags just about ran us off the road on I-81. She was oblivious to us, cutting in between us. BTW, I-81 was more packed then I had ever seen it. We stopped and had lunch in one of my favorite restaurants in Harrisonburg, the Boston Beanery right on US 33. After a good meal, I told the guys if they wanted to ride to Staunton and go over US 250 first I'd like to pick another route then to proceed further down I-81. We decided to just head west on 33 to WV. The road couldn't have been better. There were very few vehicles and we didn't even catch up to any slow moving cages, trucks, etc. on the good twisties. If none of you have been on this road I highly recommend it. I hadn't been on it for years (and without the bike) and it is gorgeous and a blast. Even the straights are beautiful going through the GW forest getting there. On the other side of the mountains before we grabbed WV route 28 we saw about 10 guys on enduro's heading for the forest. I got to get one of those! Anyway, we then headed south on WV 28. We ran into a few showers but not even enough to saturate the roads, just enough to annoy you. >From there we headed back east on US 250 and caught some more excellent turns. The rain was off and on at this point as I think it was basically following us as we headed east. By the time we crossed the boarder back into VA we had outrun it. Once we intersected with VA 42 we headed north back into Harrisonburg. Nice road but nothing compared to what we just came from. From there we grabbed some connector road over to US 11. I was going to show the guys the covered bridge right off of US 11 but I couldn't find it before we got to New Market and turned east onto US 211. We crossed both mountain ranges on US 211 but both seemed fairly straight after being on US 33 and US 250. On this side of Sperryville we turned left onto US 522. We took 522 down to Flint Hill where we turned onto VA 647. This roads winds through the country and brings you into Marshall. Another fairly nice road and a great way to get to Skyline if you don't want to go through Front Royal or Warrenton. We filled up one last time in Marshall and headed back home. The total round trip from my house was 408 miles. I got home around 8:00 so it did take the whole day. If anyone would like to do this trip again or something similar I'd be willing to go. Brian, these are by far the best roads within 200 miles that I have been on. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:29:42 1997 From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Kirk Roy" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: MIR Drag Sunday! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:16:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Seriously, while I was tempted with going out to this thing I think it > would simply be embarrassing for the bike and myself. Hawks just ain't drag > racers. Take your ZX-11 to the twisties though and it may be another story > altogether... Actually I have only been passed ONCE going up 211 to SkyLine while riding my ZX11 in company of FZRs, YZFs, GSXRs, CBRs, and others in several years of dogging it up and down the mountain. 95% of the time I lose site of other riders in my rear view mirror. In fact, I demand more respect for the fact that I'm capable of trashing a huge heavy sled like my ZX11 through the twisties at an equal, or more often than not, faster rates than those of better handling sportbikes. With or without passengers. If guarantee that if I were to switch bikes with someone on a GSXR750 or a ZX6, that person would not be able to keep up with myself while I was riding on their bike and that person on my ZX11. Road course, like drag racing, it's all the rider, not the bike. Like I said, there were 750's turning faster times than my 1100, simply because they have some skills in drag racing that I do not. PS; That one time that I *WAS* been passed by, it was an FZR400, and the rider was a friend on mine who literally defies death whenever he rides. He's the type of nut-cake who can pull a 24" endo @ 50mph just for fun. Berg '95 ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 16:03:47 1997 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:08:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Bikes/parts for sale/wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For sale: 1981 Suzuki GS 850G, 4000 miles, garaged, Vetter fairing and hard bags, new Pirellis. Excellent touring bike. Blue. $2000 (firm). 1982 Yamaha XJ-550 Seca, 8900 miles. Sporty standard, very smooth 4-cylinder engine, Kerker exhaust, six speeds, voltmeter, new tires. Good mechanical condition and appearance, guaranteed to pass inspection. $1150. 1980 Suzuki, GS-550-L, 15,000 mi. Cruiser, stepped seat, four cylinders, six speeds, recent Metzeler tires, Plexi-3 fairing, backrest, luggage rack. Excellent condition, guaranteed to pass inspection. $1150. 1976 Yamaha RD-400, 15,000 mi. 2-stroke six-speed playbike. Becoming collector's item. Excellent condition, guaranteed to pass inspection. $1150. 1982 Suzuki GS-650-E, 50,000 mi. Dynojet kit, stainless braided front brake line, Avon front tire, air shocks, cruise control. Runs well, looks ratty: seat held together by duct tape, minor oil leaks, sprouting wires, stolen side covers, etc. $650. Also: 3 full fairings. One Windjammer, one La Mancha, one other. $50 each, or all three for $100. And (almost finally), I have four bikes that I'll part out (or, preferably, repair if I can find parts): Honda 750 Interceptor, 1984 Kawasaki KZ-440 LTD Yamaha XJ-550 Seca (front end smashed) Yamaha 700 Virago (no title) Other parts wanted: CDI and pickup coil for Honda 400-automatic Ignition switch for RD-400 Seat & sidecovers for GS650E (blue) garcia 202-234-9229 NW DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 16:06:15 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:05:40 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:02:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: Saturdays VA/WV Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E58IYQ3GQQE X400-MTS-identifier: [;04506140807991/1865737@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Unfortunately Kevin just missed us by about 5 minutes. Dogged. Too bad he didn't chase us since we kept a grandmotherly pace on the highway. >We decided to just head west on 33 to WV. The road couldn't have been >better. There were very few vehicles and we didn't even catch up to >any slow moving cages, trucks, etc. on the good twisties. We didn't even have trouble getting around the cars/trucks before we hit the twisties. Unheard of. >From there we headed back east on US 250 and caught some more excellent >turns. The rain was off and on at this point as I think it was >basically following us as we headed east. By the time we crossed the >boarder back into VA we had outrun it. Unfortunately, we didn't outrun the rain enough to feel comfortable blitzing the corners here... I've got to say that US 250 has about the tightest corners I've ever seen. It's quite a blast pulling through these things going from full left (let's put a toe down, oh, there's the ground) to full right and an instant flick! Dang rain kept me from doing that Saturday though... In good weather US 33 is a great road but US 250 is simply awesome. US 211 is nice for some fast sweepers but you'd have to run through them several times since they're spread and out relatively short. The traffic and distance between twisties on US 211 puts it into my good roads category. VA 647 is a pretty good country road (not to be confused with real twisties but worth riding). All in all it was a great ride. >Glenn Dysart >84 V30 Magna I'm no expert but it seems to me that Glenn rides the heck out of his little Magna... Kirk '88 Hawk GT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 16:38:42 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:36:45 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: RF 600 To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I really like the Ferrari style fairing inlets. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RF 600 From: "Ckeyser" at ddn Date: 4/8/1997 8:37 AM I own an RF 600 and they are indeed a really nice bike, it was a decision of either buying a katana 600 which was 500.00 cheaper. I liked the bigger fairing and tires and the racer styling and looks. I have since then found out that I need to do some little upgrades, like tires a better seat for longer rides and whatever else I like in the future, But all in all the bike is very nice, plus it's rare to see them which makes it stick out in a crowd of 3 or 4 CBR's, GSXR's or ZX's so a stock bike looks cool and you don't have to do much customizing. Just my .02 Ck Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 16:46:54 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:47:17 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Der Party To: dc-cycles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sounds good to me, uh where is it? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 18:00:38 1997 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:00:55 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Bergie Frazier Jr Subject: Re: MIR Drag Sunday! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > > > Seriously, while I was tempted with going out to this thing I think it > > would simply be embarrassing for the bike and myself. Hawks just ain't > drag > > racers. Take your ZX-11 to the twisties though and it may be another > story > > altogether... > > Actually I have only been passed ONCE going up 211 to SkyLine while riding > my ZX11 in company of FZRs, YZFs, GSXRs, CBRs, and others in several years > of dogging it up and down the mountain. 95% of the time I lose site of > other > riders in my rear view mirror. > > In fact, I demand more respect for the fact that I'm capable of trashing > a huge heavy sled like my ZX11 through the twisties at an equal, or more > often than not, faster rates than those of better handling sportbikes. > With > or without passengers. I have to vouch for Bergie on this one..... I've ridden with him once, for a full day, and saw him (from behind) rip up and down route 211 on his ZX-11. For the last run of the day, he added a passenger (albeit a small one)--and was just as fast. > > If guarantee that if I were to switch bikes with someone on a GSXR750 > or a ZX6, that person would not be able to keep up with myself while I was > riding on their bike and that person on my ZX11. > Without a doubt. > Road course, like drag racing, it's all the rider, not the bike. Like I > said, there > were 750's turning faster times than my 1100, simply because they have some > skills in drag racing that I do not. > > PS; That one time that I *WAS* been passed by, it was an FZR400, and the > rider was a friend on mine who literally defies death whenever he rides. > He's > the type of nut-cake who can pull a 24" endo @ 50mph just for fun. More of a nut than your friend Tom on the FJ1200, Bergie??? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX *email address shown here (not in header) is valid* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 18:28:40 1997 From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: MIR Drag Sunday! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:27:10 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have to vouch for Bergie on this one..... > > I've ridden with him once, for a full day, and saw him (from behind) rip > up and down route 211 on his ZX-11. For the last run of the day, he > added a passenger (albeit a small one)--and was just as fast. > Without a doubt. Thanks for the backup. I just want other people on the list to know that I don't put myself (or others.. including passengers) in any danger. I know my limits and I stay well within my boundaries just in case.. > nut-cake who can pull a 24" endo @ 50mph just for fun. > More of a nut than your friend Tom on the FJ1200, Bergie??? Actually yeah. Although Tom takes top honors for "Mr. 4th of July" for throwing more flame than a sparkler on his FJ1200 in the turns, the other guy I was referring to (Mike Meckenberg SP?) is just plain dangerous. A real nice guy and a good rider!! but probably too much of a risk taker for his own well being. Berg/ZX11 PS; We'll have to get together for another ride soon! Drop me an email or call me voice on Friday afternoons to setup something for the weekends. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 18:33:16 1997 From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: CORRECTION Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:32:18 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If guarantee that if I were to switch bikes with someone on a GSXR750 > or a ZX6, that person would not be able to keep up with myself while I was > riding on their bike and that person on my ZX11. I take that back, for the record. I don't "guarantee" that, because I know there are people out there who can out ride the pants off me, and I'll be the first to admit that... Just in my experience, those people rarely ever ride on the street, and if they do, I never get the chance to hook up with them for a ride. My intention was not to sound so much like an ass. Berg ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 18:42:30 1997 From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: MIR Drag Sunday! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:41:26 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Oi, I'd like to get more opportunities to ride with good riders who keep > it in control on the street. I've really only started doing group rides > this year. > Kirk Yeah our regular group has dropped off in numbers lately, down to just four (Berg ZX11, Lester YZF1K, Tom FJ1200, Rich CBR900RR). We have been a weekend group for a couple years now, so we know each others style/habits really well, and we take care of each other (try to keep ourselves in line) but not letting it get out of control on the street. There is alot of friendly competition in the air, but we don't do anything dangerous or stupid (okay maybe stupid..) :o) I'm sure most people on the list would agree that if you have something to prove, you should prove it on the track, be it drag strip or road course. We would love to have new people to ride with, so drop me an email on Fridays to set something up for the weekend, or if you have something planned, we would love to know about it. Berg ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 22:54:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01852; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24032; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29103; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA11028 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970804225029_-1974355929@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: wheel repair answer Hey, y'all- I found the number for the local wheel repair place. Ye Ole Wheel Shop in Elkridge Md. A friend used them to repair some irreplaceable magnesium race car wheels from the 60s and was quite pleased. They do all types of repair and restoration. 800-526-8260 410-796-8400 fax 410-796-8410 Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 23:44:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02248; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25782; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00702; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kamehameha (zz0072.staff.digex.net [204.192.83.72]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00673 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E6A104.B9E87B88@digex.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:41:56 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: dc.forsale.misc,dc.forsale,rec.motorcycles,ne.motorcycles To: DC Cycles Subject: FS: '89 Kawasaki Vulcan 88 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FS: '89 Kawasaki Vulcan 88 EXCELLENT CONDITION!! LOTS AND LOTS OF ACCESSORIES!! Maroon and Black paint scheme Drag Pipes 13000 miles excellent shape accessories: Windshield Crash bar cruise control luggage rack rider backrest driver backrest saddlebags (Willy and Max) other extras $4100 obo Bike is garaged in North Carolina. Owner is in the DC area.> FS: '89 Kawasaki Vulcan 88 Call Troy 301-441-4776 Evenings/message -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX One DIGEX Plaza Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 23:47:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02270; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25805; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00896; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kamehameha (zz0072.staff.digex.net [204.192.83.72]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00925 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E6A1CE.D6B7CE7@digex.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:45:18 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: dc.forsale.misc,dc.forsale,rec.motorcycles,ne.motorcycles To: DC Cycles Subject: FS: 94 Honda Shadow VT1100C X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 94 Honda Shadow VT1100C LOTS OF ACCESSORIES! WILLING TO NEGOTIATE. REALLY EXCELLENT BIKE! Teal and white Drag pipes 14000 miles excellent shape accessories: Windshield Cruise radiator guards driver/rider backrests luggage rack saddlebags $6000 obo Bike is garaged in North Carolina. Owner is in DC area. Call Troy 301-441-4776 Evenings/message -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX One DIGEX Plaza Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 23:54:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02320; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26087; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01175; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24756 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancelot.campus.vt.edu (rkv-as1s36.erols.com [207.172.239.36]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA24135 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970804234955.0068d774@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: mrubinst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:49:55 +0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mitch Subject: Re: MIR Drag Sunday! In-Reply-To: <199708042242.SAA28792@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just want to say that I had the pleasure of riding with these guys up to Summit Point one weekend and they are good to go. I should have had a route planned from MD, so we didn't have to backtrack to VA. But we got to pick up another rider, so it was all good. Berg, I don't think I'll be able to ride with you again before I head back to school, but I look forward to riding with you all next summer. Mitch At 06:41 PM 8/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >> Oi, I'd like to get more opportunities to ride with good riders who keep >> it in control on the street. I've really only started doing group rides >> this year. >> Kirk > >Yeah our regular group has dropped off in numbers lately, down to just >four (Berg ZX11, Lester YZF1K, Tom FJ1200, Rich CBR900RR). > >We have been a weekend group for a couple years now, so we know >each others style/habits really well, and we take care of each other (try >to keep ourselves in line) but not letting it get out of control on the >street. > >There is alot of friendly competition in the air, but we don't do anything >dangerous or stupid (okay maybe stupid..) :o) > >I'm sure most people on the list would agree that if you have something >to prove, you should prove it on the track, be it drag strip or road >course. > >We would love to have new people to ride with, so drop me an email >on Fridays to set something up for the weekend, or if you have something >planned, we would love to know about it. > >Berg >ZX11 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 12:42:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09747; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12523; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25951; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA26966; Tue, 5 Aug 97 12:41:28 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 5 Aug 97 09:42:12 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 5 Aug 97 09:41:56 -0008 Received: from vrc_server by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23) with ESMTP; 5 Aug 97 09:41:49 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "McLoone, William J." , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Electrics Question (was: Cold weather riding) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:36:15 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <14C9F3867536@bayview.dt.navy.mil> The vests rarely fail but the cords break too often. I carry a spare cord for my Gerbing vest. The old style Widder cord was simple to repair with a pocketknife. I have had Widder, Eclipse, and now a Gerbing vest. The Widder lasted five years, the Eclipse three. The Gerbing is only a year old now. I have their "jacket/vest" without insulation. It's very thin and has long sleeves and a collar, all heated. The heated collar and sleeves add a lot of winter comfort. They have a web site at www.gerbing.com. Before you buy a vest, try it on with your favorite winter jacket. Make sure the collar is not too tight. A windshield will also help a lot in the Winter. Personally, I like my Gold Wing's barn door. The great thing about an electric vest is that you will want to take it with you on all your SUMMER trips. I have used a vest in every month of the year. New York rains, Appalachian morning dew, and Rocky Mountain passes will chill you even in August. Besides, a vest is so small that it's easy to pack. Bruce B. Dimon dimon@XXXXXX Sr. Programmer/Analyst, Vector Research Analysis & Technology Engineering Center from North Idaho, Land of Lakes & Lattes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 12:57:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09853; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12905; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26600; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA29261; Tue, 5 Aug 97 12:56:25 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 5 Aug 97 09:57:10 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 5 Aug 97 09:57:01 -0008 Received: from vrc_server by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23) with ESMTP; 5 Aug 97 09:56:55 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Mehran Firouzbakht" , Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:51:56 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <14D7C2D74141@bayview.dt.navy.mil> WOW! Does this set the record for the most rambling thread in the mailing list's history? Next week: Gun Control! Bruce B. Dimon dimon@XXXXXX Sr. Programmer/Analyst, Vector Research Analysis & Technology Engineering Center from North Idaho, Land of Lakes & Lattes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 13:36:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10201; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13527; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28495; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA03380 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:35:30 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:35:30 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:32:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT, 39 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >WOW! 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Are you implying that Gun Control is more important than Abortion? 8^) =========================================================================== Phone: (301) 897-8859 Fax: (301) 897-5354 e-mail: tobias@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 14:42:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11131; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15175; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx03.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01948; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3 (smtp3.erols.com [205.252.116.103]) by mx03.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/MX-mnd) with ESMTP id OAA17831; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:09:42 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s37.erols.com [207.172.110.100]) by smtp3 (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22096; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:09:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:09:29 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970805141148.23ef0cb8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jordan, Michael" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Squeakers Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop >>WOW! Does this set the record for the most rambling thread in the mailing >list's history? >Next week: Gun Control!< > >Awright Bruce! > >It's about time! > Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine? Huh? Ok. I dont think you should carry one in your hands while you're riding. Too hard to control that way. At least, it is for me. Damn thing kept goin off at the most INCONVENIENT times. Hit a bump and...well... ooops. Sorry guy. My fault. Just kidding. Really, I am. KIDDING!!! LOOK! :) see that? a friggin :) Squeakers-only way to get MY guns is to pry them from my cold, dead hands. http://www.erols.com/squeaks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 15:18:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11692; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16066; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03969; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA12769 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:18:32 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:18:32 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:16:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT, 36 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Are you implying that Gun Control is more important than Abortion?< Hmmm... Armed fetuses or would that be feti begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@<3`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````,S8Q-#,P M,D9!-3!$1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`_@8!(( #``X```#-!P@`!0`, M`!,`!0`"``0A@( =P"U!Y"X"89R!T$$ %0$=U`Z#?"% ", -@`R $`" $8!;AOQ=1 M"1$`< 5 %^$#H$$&X'4`(&D"(#\4DQ95$* \IPJB"H0*@$AM'+ N'."C$+$' M@&0@9A" =1!PUQ `&_D%L7<(8&P=8!?C?F(6\!V!`* 6&1OJ$3$``2' `P" M$/____\+``. "" &``````# ````````1@`````#A0````#__P,`!8 (( 8` M`````, ```````!&`````!"%`````````P``@ @@!@``````P ```````$8` M````4H4``+<-```>``& "" &``````# ````````1@````!4A0```0````0` M```X+C ``P`"@ @@!@``````P ```````$8``````84````````+``2 "" & M``````# ````````1@`````.A0````````,`!H (( 8``````, ```````!& M`````!&%`````````P`'@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````&(4````````> M``B "" &``````# ````````1@`````VA0```0````$`````````'@`)@ @@ M!@``````P ```````$8`````-X4```$````!`````````!X`"H (( 8````` M`, ```````!&`````#B%```!`````0`````````#`"8```````,`-@`````` M`@'Y/P$````>`````````-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"X````> M`/@_`0```!4```!3>7-T96T@061M:6YI Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:22:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine? > Huh? Ok. I dont think you should carry one in your hands while you're > riding. Too hard to control that way. At least, it is for me. Damn thing > kept goin off at the most INCONVENIENT times. Hit a bump and...well... > ooops. Sorry guy. My fault. I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of the road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds. So in my view, you shouldn't shoot and ride at the same time. Gun control IMHO is defined as the ability to hit your target. :o) Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 15:39:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11874; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16553; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04838; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA04325 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:38:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199708051938.AA04325@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:38:44 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:38:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:33:27 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970805141148.23ef0cb8@pop.erols.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11StGs000023o ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME OH HO!!!!!!! JUST AS I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!! > X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX > Just kidding. Really, I am. KIDDING!!! LOOK! :) see that? a friggin :) ^ ^ __________________| | __________________________| > > > Squeakers-only way to get MY guns is to pry them from my cold, dead hands. ^ ^ ___________________________________________________________| | __________________________________________________________________| R - I - c - e .......yup...now I'm offended...AGAIN.... ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 15:44:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11962; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16649; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04992; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05728; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA14220 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA14719 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:43:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:41:00 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop In-Reply-To: <199708051923.PAA01661@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of > the > road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a > Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds. Shooting while riding presents a number of interesting problems. Most people I know shoot right handed which is a problem on a bike. I occasionally practice shooting with my left hand, but really suck badly. Maybe rigging a bike with a left handed throttle? Might deter thieves as well if they can't figure out how to ride it. Also, if you shoot left handed with an automatic, would you get hit with the shells at 70mph? A revolver would make this a non-issue, but reloading would be a bitch. Any thoughts? -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 15:45:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11971; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16675; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gates.ejbell.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05009; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gates.ejbell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:51:01 -0400 Message-ID: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F81DD8B3@gates.ejbell.com> From: "Gilley, Lester" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:50:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of > > the > > road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a > > Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds. > > Side note: Yeilding a Desert Eagle .50 just might help those of us > that are wheelie challenged actually pull a wheelie if fired while > aiming forward. I'd also imagine that it would drop a tenth or two > off of your drag times ;-) > > - Lester > '97 YZF1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 15:52:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12094; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16856; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05537; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09973; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000217.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.229]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA17434; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: <33E78466.B2B4ACF1@digex.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:52:35 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jimi@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jimi@XXXXXX wrote: > Shooting while riding presents a number of interesting problems... > Maybe rigging a bike with a left handed throttle? Naw, just rig-up a Vista Cruise. I wouldn't ride or shoot without one. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:01:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12424; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17051; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06311; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA16057 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:01:25 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:01:25 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:59:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT, 45 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 > Side note: Yeilding a Desert Eagle .50 just might help those of us > that are wheelie challenged actually pull a wheelie if fired while > aiming forward. I'd also imagine that it would drop a tenth or two > off of your drag times ;-) > > - Lester > '97 YZF1000 I wouldn't recommend that. The Desert Eagles are known to pull to the right on firing, and since you'd have to have it in your left hand (the right one being occupied with the throttle) there's a good chance you'll hit your front wheel or tire (requiring you to maintain the wheelie (note mandatory motorcycle-oriented material)). begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@$4`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````,S0P,S)% M,S)!0C!$1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`" P(``'<"```U`P``3%I&=<]2 MU\H#``H`0*V$`D&YC%H#W),$@P1! =B&A(2 P MLR(1OPN )+088 & ,*$K82@N:@T6@&(7(!=Q;V-C=?YP") >L2(0(U N8AG0 M%4%:=!A@*2Y2"7 G+/$@_&=O!' <`C 6'7$>X 5 _R3#`U$",!N$(V,>@3+ M"7#\<74O0R2R+:(`P N `9#W,;$N8AN6*!:B.I$K8!L@CP6P'3 $8#RA8WEC M&&#^+06P") ",!R1`, G00%```!`````0`````````>``J "" &``````# ```` M````1@`````XA0```0````$``````````P`F```````#`#8```````(!^3\! M````'@````````#```````` M`-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"X````>`/H_`0```!4```!3>7-T M96T@061M:6YI`#T``0````4` M``!213H@``````L`*0``````"P`C```````"`7\``0```#X````\8SU54R5A M/5\E<#U6:7-A)6P]5DE302].04U%4DE#02\P,# Y-$9&,$!M X-Sender: dorman@cox Reply-To: "Clark E. Dorman" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief trip report) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970805141148.23ef0cb8@pop.erols.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Squeakers wrote: > >>WOW! Does this set the record for the most rambling thread in the mailing > >list's history? > >Next week: Gun Control!< [snip] > Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine? [more snip] The funny thing is that I could guess your views! But, it has little to do with motorcycles. > http://www.erols.com/squeaks Well, I must say that I'm disappointed. I fully expected to see a full page picture of that "helmet" of yours, labeled with the various attachments and how they break applicable statutes. Oh well. My Weekend Ride (as if you care since it regards motorcycles): Thank you for suggestions regarding getting to the beach. I ended up going almost 400 miles in and around the Maryland Eastern Shore. My conclusion: Rt. 50 sucks on a motorcycle. A lot. The Bay Bridge sucks even worse. However, once you get over the bridge, you can turn onto a number of different roads, and things get pretty nice. I have no idea which roads I took, and don't really care. Because of the criss-crossing roads over there, you can sort of just turn and head in the correct general direction of the beach. Every time you hit traffic, just turn on to a different road, and keep going. True, you don't get there very quickly, but based on what I saw on Rt. 50, it is faster than sitting in traffic. Since it's so hot, it's better to be going slower on a back road than stop and go on a higher speed limit road. I'm convinced that the best way to deal with the traffic is to avoid 50 as long as possible going there (for example, taking 214 in Maryland and then Rt 2 through Anapolis), and then bearing off on 301 once you are over the bridge, and then turn onto a back road as soon as possible. It's a pleasant ride once you are over there, though it is very flat. In fact, it's just the opposite of Rt. 211 near Skyline drive. The turns are very mild at the posted speed limit. Because I was warned, I stayed fairly close to the speed limit, but to be honest, I hardly saw a cop (rude or otherwise) the entire trip. I had the opportunity to ride behind the 5 members of the "King Cobra Eastern Shore" motorcycle group (club? gang?) for about 10 miles near ocean city. You could definitely tell who they were based on their gold-embroidered black leather vests. The group consisted of large person on a Nighthawk, a skinny person on a GoldWing, a Harley (Softail I think), a Katana, and an older unidentified Japanese motorcycle. Quite the group. I saw a large number of other motorcycles riding around, but no other groups. [I also got the opportunity to just miss an interesting accident on the Bay Bridge coming back: I saw an empty boat trailer on the bridge, and then about 30' later a boat lying on the bridge, and a little further up a stopped Suburban type vehicle. And some very unhappy looking ex-boat-owning people scratching their heads. Bikes are better than boats.] At the very South end of the boardwalk in Ocean City, there is motorcycle parking (right next to the amusement rides), a huge help considering the lack of parking. I accidentally bumped into the cage taking up three motorcycle spaces on the way out though; hope the dent doesn't cost _too_ much to fix. All in all, a good weekend, but I could have done without about 2 hours worth of stopped traffic. -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:06:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12722; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17149; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06797; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11217; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000129.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.141]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17457; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:05:07 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9708051605.AA37139@204.91.98.131> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:05:37 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: jimi@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline > > Also, if you shoot left handed with an automatic, would you get hit > with the shells at 70mph? A revolver would make this a non-issue, > but reloading would be a bitch. point it backwards so the shells shoot out towards the left! :-P Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:13:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12983; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17611; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07329; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA1BA.2C5D6B00@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:11:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT In a previous post, Bergie stated: I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of the road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds. I've found a throttle lock works wonders for this. Frees up the right hand to swing that big old broadsword of mine. Downside is, you've gotta get close to the target. Upsize is, aim isn't quite as important... Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:16:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13006; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17685; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07397; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IM34TNG6F495N5OK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:16:59 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:15:34 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:15:34 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:15:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Cars in bike parking was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief trip report) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E261IYR3HQO0 X400-MTS-identifier: [;43516150807991/1868698@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >At the very South end of the boardwalk in Ocean City, there is >motorcycle parking (right next to the amusement rides), a huge help >considering the lack of parking. I accidentally bumped into the cage >taking up three motorcycle spaces on the way out though; hope the >dent doesn't cost _too_ much to fix. Woo hoo! You're my hero! I wish I had the guts to actually carry something like this out. The most I've done is a small scratch... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:17:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13030; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17861; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07429; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA1BA.C6D57C40@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:15:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:15:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT Alright quick, somebody with a shaft drive try this: Can you pull a wheelie while firing a Desert Eagle .50 directly forward while on a shaft-driven bike? It would conclusively put this "shafties-can't-wheelie" issue firmly to bed, once and for all. :-) Can you tell we are all bored today? Horkster ---------- From: Gilley, Lester[SMTP:LesterG@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 3:50 PM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop > I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of > > the > > road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a > > Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds. > > Side note: Yeilding a Desert Eagle .50 just might help those of us > that are wheelie challenged actually pull a wheelie if fired while > aiming forward. I'd also imagine that it would drop a tenth or two > off of your drag times ;-) > > - Lester > '97 YZF1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:26:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13127; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18183; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07882; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s24.erols.com [207.172.110.24]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16531; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970805162846.0eb70140@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Clark E. Dorman" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Squeakers Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief trip report) [snip] >> Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine? >[more snip] > >The funny thing is that I could guess your views! But, it has little to >do with motorcycles. As much as I HATE to disagree with anyone, in this case, Ill make an exception. *I* was talking about how to control your gun while...RIDING. So, that MAKES it "motorcycle" oriented, thank you. (duh!) Im always open to nifty suggestions on how to ride and shoot at the same time. Arent you? I mean, you ARE an American, arent you? NOT one of those pinkoe leftist commies, right? (It IS pinkoe, isnt it?) > >> http://www.erols.com/squeaks > >Well, I must say that I'm disappointed. I fully expected to see a full >page picture of that "helmet" of yours, labeled with the various >attachments and how they break applicable statutes. Oh well. Naw, I just wear it. I dont flaunt it. Im not THAT vain, after all. > > >My Weekend Ride (as if you care since it regards motorcycles): Well, I DO care about things that regard motorcycles. Just not about things that regard YOU and motorcycles....... :p Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:42:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13457; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18436; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08566; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20222; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA1BE.38B1B600@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:40:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:40:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT Jimi, If anyone has got to reload while STILL on the bike, methinks they are in WWWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYY over their heads! Horkster (I always pull over to reload, personally) ---------- From: jimi@XXXXXX[SMTP:jimi@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 3:41 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of > the > road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a > Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds. Shooting while riding presents a number of interesting problems. Most people I know shoot right handed which is a problem on a bike. I occasionally practice shooting with my left hand, but really suck badly. Maybe rigging a bike with a left handed throttle? Might deter thieves as well if they can't figure out how to ride it. Also, if you shoot left handed with an automatic, would you get hit with the shells at 70mph? A revolver would make this a non-issue, but reloading would be a bitch. Any thoughts? -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:43:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13509; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18464; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08807; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20229; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bergie.erols.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA1BE.95D2A740@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCA1BE.95D2A740@bergie.erols.com> From: Bergie Frazier Jr To: "'KLThomas77@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:15:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I was going to a little comparing this weekend, .50 vs. 9mm.. Last weekend when I hit some homeless dude in the chest with the .50, it made a big mess and the blood in the road almost caused me to crash, so I wanted to knock off a couple people with the Glock or Beretta this weekend, and see if that helps.. I'm sure I could get a few extra rounds off with the 9mm though, just in case I miss the first time. ---------- From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 3:55 PM To: bergie@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop Bergie- Since shot placement is more important than caliber, and the combination of the Desert Eagle and the wheelie really hurts your accuracy, consider a relatively heavy framed 9mm. My Glock 19 is handy to carry, but doesn't handle great offhand while wheelying. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 16:51:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13724; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18640; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09168; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA28642 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA09910 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA23970 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:50:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970805205023.AAA23970@localHost> heh, heh. That's pretty funny, Aki. Todd _______________________________________________ OH HO!!!!!!! JUST AS I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!! > X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX > Just kidding. Really, I am. KIDDING!!! LOOK! :) see that? a friggin :) ^ ^ __________________| | __________________________| > > > Squeakers-only way to get MY guns is to pry them from my cold, dead hands. ^ ^ ___________________________________________________________| | __________________________________________________________________| R - I - c - e .......yup...now I'm offended...AGAIN.... ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 17:02:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13871; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18860; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09710; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bryndyn ([205.177.146.169] (may be forged)) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20825 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E7BF36.6482@erols.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 17:03:02 -0700 From: Bryndyn Weiner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Your YZF References: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F81DD8B3@gates.ejbell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gilley, Lester wrote: > > Side note: Yeilding a Desert Eagle .50 just might help those of us > > that are wheelie challenged actually pull a wheelie if fired while > > aiming forward. I'd also imagine that it would drop a tenth or two > > off of your drag times ;-) > > > > - Lester > > '97 YZF1000 Sorry for the motorcycle-related topic in this politically-oriented list but I see you have a YZF1000. How do you like it? It got a great review in the latest Sport Rider among other magazines. It was ranked #1 overall above the GSXR-1100, CBR 900RR, and Kawasaki ZX-9R. I've pondered getting an open class machine -- which would be a major step up in power, size, and weight from what I currently have -- but I'm worried that riding the twisties will be a wrestling match. With my CB-1 it's, "I think, therefore I turn." What's you opinion? Did you compare it to any other bikes before you bought it? -- Bryndyn Weiner email: rzbean@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 17:18:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14071; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19247; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10600; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA26577 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970805171559_-1638310555@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: beamer any other beamers out there? just purchased a 97 r850r. jb haller faketree@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 17:18:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14076; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19252; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10609; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s24.erols.com [207.172.110.24]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26978; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970805172015.37671b36@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Bergie Frazier Jr , "'KLThomas77@XXXXXX'" From: Squeakers Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" At 04:15 PM 8/5/97 -0400, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: >Well I was going to a little comparing this weekend, .50 vs. 9mm.. > >Last weekend when I hit some homeless dude in the chest with the .50, >it made a big mess and the blood in the road almost caused me to crash, >so I wanted to knock off a couple people with the Glock or Beretta this >weekend, and see if that helps.. I'm sure I could get a few extra rounds >off with the 9mm though, just in case I miss the first time. > > Just carry a couple of extra clips with you for the Beretta. Quick to pop out and replace. Ive got a few of the ones that hold..lemme see.. maybe I shouldnt say how many rounds they hold. Didnt they pass a new LAW on "clip capacities"? Im not sure my clips are LEGAL anymore. (heaven forbid) What if I got pulled over by a rookie cop that's riding a RICER ROCKET, while wearing my ILLEGAL helmet, and packin a beretta with an ILLEGAL capacity clip, all while I was legally riding on an HOV lane that HE thought was ILLEGAL? Should I then tell him to fuck off? Or should I then tell him how much I appreciate him and the difficulties of his harrowing job? decisions, decisions.... Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 17:27:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14173; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19404; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11053; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s24.erols.com [207.172.110.24]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28774; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970805172925.37672bbc@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Todd B Peer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop At 04:45 PM 8/5/97 -0400, Todd B Peer wrote: > > heh, heh. That's pretty funny, Aki. > Todd Problem was... it took me a few minutes to figure out what he was tryin to say.... good one, Aki! :) Squeakers > > >_______________________________________________ >OH HO!!!!!!! JUST AS I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!! > > >> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX >> Just kidding. Really, I am. KIDDING!!! LOOK! :) see that? a friggin :) > ^ ^ >__________________| | >__________________________| > >> >> >> Squeakers-only way to get MY guns is to pry them from my cold, dead hands. > ^ ^ >___________________________________________________________| | >__________________________________________________________________| > > > >R - I - c - e .......yup...now I'm offended...AGAIN.... ;-) > > >cheers, >-aki > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 17:31:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14240; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19521; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alumni.umbc.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11228; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pverst1@localhost) by alumni.umbc.edu (8.8.5/Alumni) id RAA15546 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:33:35 -0400 (EDT) From: The Flying Dutchman Message-Id: <199708052133.RAA15546@alumni.umbc.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cars in bike parking (was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief trip report)) Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 said: * * >At the very South end of the boardwalk in Ocean City, there is * >motorcycle parking (right next to the amusement rides), a huge help * >considering the lack of parking. I accidentally bumped into the cage * >taking up three motorcycle spaces on the way out though; hope the * >dent doesn't cost _too_ much to fix. * * Woo hoo! You're my hero! I wish I had the guts to actually carry * something like this out. The most I've done is a small scratch... * Ackh, dude, it's much easier to do than it sounds. Once upon a time, one summer, my girlie and I took Rainman to Annapolis for the day. Parking in a lot down an alley off of Main Street, the bike had plenty of space. Upon our return, a something-color :) SUV-look-alike had obnoxiously blocked me in. I couldn't believe a bike could be blocked into such a space, but I got it out. Had to rock it back and forth, oh, about a dozen times, digging into the sidepanels. The paint chips came off my brake lever easily enough. My girlfriend was cracking up the whole time. L8r, P8r. pverst1@XXXXXX =;) "Tao k'o Tao fei ch'ang Tao (Tao called Tao is not Tao)" - Lao-tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 17:42:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14619; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19625; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gates.ejbell.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12005; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gates.ejbell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:46:04 -0400 Message-ID: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F81DD8B6@gates.ejbell.com> From: "Gilley, Lester" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Your YZF Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:46:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I like it. I find it to be a good compromise. You can do touring with it. I've gone 400 miles in one day. My butt did hurt and I was a bit tired but I don't think that is anything that a Corbin or exercise won't fix. It is really good at sporting around. I don't have much of a problem getting it through the turns at all. I don't feel that I have to heave it into corners or anything. The stock tires are 204's. I have heard that the bike is much more nimble when Metzler MEZ1's are installed. As is, the cycle is much easier to flip through turns than my last cycle; a CBR1000. As for the other open class bikes. My opinion (opinion's are like what??) of the other bikes at purchase time was: Blackbird: Too expensive and didn't have the handling characteristics that I was looking for. GSXR: Bad fit and finish. Not a good riding position. Super Ugly. RR & GSXR 750 To much like a "Superbike". Good for racing around but not for everyday riding. ZX-9: I hate Ninja's. Also, I rode one and it wasn't at all comfortable. I like the YZF very much and would recommend it to anyone. If you can believe all of the press, you might want to look at the SuperHawk. It is supposed to be awesome on the streets. Also, the YZF1000/FZR line will be retired (at least in Europe, maybe here) next year. Yamaha is replacing it with a V-Twin 1000. This will be announced some time this fall. Collin Edwards was grilled after a test session and he said that it flat out rocks. Also, the new Ninja's and GSXR 900 should be out this fall or early next year. If they are like their siblings, they should rock. The ZX-12 will fly, the ZX-9RR should be evil, and the GSXR 900 just might be marked as illegal to ride on the streets if it is anything like the GSXR 750. There are some other YZF owners on this list, what do you all think?? - Lester '97 YZF1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 17:48:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14677; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19872; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12460; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02397 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bergie.erols.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA1C7.53D58FC0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:45:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCA1C7.53D58FC0@bergie.erols.com> From: Bergie Frazier Jr To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: NEW vs. Turbo vs. BIG Bore Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:42:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we obviously need a new thread, this is probably a good time to bring this one up. Recently I've been considering a couple different options, and I would like your suggestions, comments, whatever. OPTION ONE: I was considering buying a new ZX12 for '98 (trading or selling my '95 ZX11). Doing this would obviously cost me a bundle, since I would probably be lucky to get $ 6,500.00 for my bike and accessories (as is), and I'd need another $ 4,000 or so to pay off a new '98 ZX12 (see.. my ZX11 is paid off so WAAAA). So if I'm going to spend $4K, how much extra power will I get? Well at this point we don't know.. because we don't know what the new ZX12's will dump to the rear wheels (stock). Considering the following facts: a ZX11 stock (1052cc) makes 125HP at the rear wheels (and 135 modified), and that the new CBR1100XX makes about 126 rwhp stock (136 modified), then we can assume that any new Kawasaki "1200" is probably only going to really have a displacement of about 1152cc (they love to round up about 48cc), so it probably won't have much more than 135 REAR WHEEL HP in stock form. Dump another $1000 in for pipe and jets and get MAYBE 145hp. Big deal. That's about $5000 to get me another 10 horses? Hmmmmm... Does not worth it? Or should I spend that SAME money that I'd be spending ANYWAY on some cool stuff like a Mr. Turbo kit or maybe a SBM 1267cc stroker kit? Hmm..... (again) OPTION TWO: MR. TURBO T-U-R-B-O, Do I need to say anything more? Well, YES. I've looked at Mr. Turbo seriously, and it's not cheap. There are alot of mods required, but the performance gains speak for themselves. Does 180 rear wheel horsepower on 93 octane pump gas sound like fun? How about cranking up the PSI by simply adjusting the wastegate for closer to 220 RWHP (when running CAM2 racing fuel)? That would be nice. Sounds like the way to go huh? Well the $5000 I would have spent in option one doesn't cover it. I got a complete quote from Mr. Turbo and Rick @ Fast Lane Cycles, and it's a little closer to $8000 for a complete total conversion of my existing ZX11, that's including beefing the transmission with undercut gears, lock up clutch, oil bypass, fuel injection system, turbo kit, and boring the stock motor to 1109cc. DAMN! $8000 is alot of money, but hey my bike is paid off, that's about $220/month, right? Hmmmmm.. OPTION THREE: SUPER-BIKE-MIKE RACING, FT. LAURDERDALE FLORIDA Man, EIGHT GRAND. That's alot huh?? But *IF* I'm going to spend it, why not consider the ultimate solution? There's no replacement for displacement, right? How about a custom 1267cc stroker kit, performed by the man who puts the POWER in world championship cycle racing? This is a complete package, including the trans work, big bore block, head work, valve work, cams, stroker crank, big bore forged pistons, balance and blueprinting, carbs, etc. THE RESULT?? 175 to 185 rear wheel HP with over 120 ft. lbs. of torque, of which the bulk arrives at about 5000rpm, all on engine, no turbo lag, no rough idle, no race fuel required. Cost? Just a little more but probably worth it.. closer to $8500 out the door with a turn around of about 3 weeks, but built by the best people in the business. Whelp, those quotes are based on if I drop the bike off and pay them to do EVERYTHING.. maybe I'll have the frame and stuff polished too while they are at it huh??? :o) So there you have it, pick one please, $5000/$8000/$8500. ALL are kind of ridiculous I know, but hey.. you wanted something to talk about, right?? Let me know what you think. Berg/ZX11 PS; Can I borrow $5 for lunch money? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 18:07:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14881; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20896; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13230; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000217.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.229]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA17657; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:04:53 -0400 Message-ID: <33E7A3B4.518F33C4@digex.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 18:05:43 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd B Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970805205023.AAA23970@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd B Peer wrote: > heh, heh. That's pretty funny, Aki. > Todd [excellent diagram snipped] yeah, you can tell he was thinking that one up all week. -=WWW=- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 18:19:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14966; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21055; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13766; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09120; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000217.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.229]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA17679 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:16:45 -0400 Message-ID: <33E7A67D.C7E5355C@digex.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 18:17:36 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > If anyone has got to reload while STILL on the bike, methinks they are > in WWWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYY over their heads! Wasn't there a movie way back in the 70's in which the FBI enlists the aid of a few bikers to crack a drug or crime ring of some kind? I seem to remember a scene with twin 50s mounted over the biker's head blazing away at some target. -WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 18:21:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15015; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21086; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13819; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16740; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000217.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.229]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA17683 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: <33E7A726.A136EC27@digex.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 18:20:26 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <9708051605.AA37139@204.91.98.131> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > point it backwards so the shells shoot out towards the left! :-P Have you tried that method? How well does it work? :) -WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 18:29:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15125; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21161; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14162; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10317 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708052230.SAA10317@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Your YZF Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:26:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > the ZX-9RR should be evil, and the GSXR 900 just might be marked > as illegal to ride on the streets if it is anything like the GSXR 750. I like the YZF1K too, I've ridden Lester's and it's cool. Personally I think it rides like an RF900 with better handle bar position so it's a bit more comfortable. If you want the most powerful bike on the street that falls into the category of best handling (like those 900RR's) then this is the bike to get. It's ride-able. It's faster than almost everything else, and can wheelie too. What's not to like? Did he mention that it's cheap too? Can't find much of a better deal if you're looking for bang-for-your-buck UNLESS of course you get a TL1000, but that's a whole other story. Being a couch-potato myself (ZX11 rider), well that's what they call my bike.. a couch (or SLED), it's fun to get on a bike like a YZF and play for a while.. but I'd never buy one myself though. But for ME personally, I have to have that plush powerful road hog (my ZX11) for riding passengers (since my wife rides with me alot). The corbin helps my bike, and I think it would help the YZF too. Better get one before you can't.. you could always sell it if you don't like it, right? :o) Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 18:30:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15147; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21282; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14195; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17981 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancelot.campus.vt.edu (rkv-as4s63.erols.com [207.172.243.126]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA13776 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970805182701.0068b6f4@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: mrubinst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 18:27:01 +0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mitch Subject: BLAMBLAMVROOOOooooommmmm.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just wanted to say that I actually give the guns to my passenger who worries about shooting and reloading while I do the driving. Forget pistols, I actually make my passengers use shotguns. It's easier to hit things while we are moving. I've only had 3 fall off the bike because of them losing their balance. Once I high sided because of the way the shooting started to throw the bike around. But it was ok, because my passenger hit her target so there was no one to come kill us while we recovered. Unfortunately making sure we were ok and righting the bike took too much time and so just as we got going again, this rookie cop showed up because passing motorists had called 911 on their cell-phones. But I flashed him the thumbs up and he let me and my shotgun-wielding passenger ride on by. Mitch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 18:35:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15237; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21604; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14295; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11590; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708052236.SAA11590@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: NEW vs. Turbo vs. BIG Bore Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:33:14 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't know, I was reading about that CBR1100XX Turbo in a couple of the > bike mags. I think that was only $4500 or so on top of the price of the > bike. That way, you get a new bike, and 225hp, 145ft*lbs or something > like that. After selling my FJ1200, I was really thinking about one. > -jimi Well, the Mr. Turbo kit is well proven, and they company that does the XXX doesn't market a ZX kit (yet). Figure the price of the turbo that they quote is normally not everything that they recommend you do at the time of conversion. I guess if my bike were brand new (didn't have 20,000 miles on it) then maybe just a turbo on low boost would do for a while. But at my bike's stage, I need the transmission worked, a clutch I'm sure, and since you're in there you may as well spend the extra $1000 and bore it up to 1109cc. That's why the $$ quoted was a little high.. PS; I saw the 1100XXX Turbo in Daytona at Bike Week '97 in person, and that 220-225 HP they claim is bogus. I personally saw the bike turn an actual 206 HP on the dyno at the annual brute horsepower shootout, so maybe they were running pump gas or just lower boost or something. I was impressed however that at a mere 6500rpm it was making over 130hp! That's always nice. Didn't get to see "actual" torque measurements though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 18:42:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15332; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21777; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14669; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12882; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708052243.SAA12882@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: NEW vs. Turbo vs. BIG Bore Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:40:10 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Go for broke. Option #1 doesn't get you much - I mean, would it really > look and act better then your ZX-11 ? I don't think so. Probably right, wouldn't be getting much except new paint, huh? > Two seems like a pain in the ass... Not to mention reliability? hmmm.. > Three is the way to go. You can always sell that Beemer (cage) can't > you? Welp, it's alot of money. And besides that, I don't own a beemer, just a clunky ol' Trans-Am convertible, and I don't think I could part with that. Thanks for your insight though!! Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 18:51:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15475; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22278; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15070; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA1D0.2A1B8F50@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: BLAMBLAMVROOOOooooommmmm.... Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:48:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 29 TEXT According the the Motorcycle Safety Digest list that I am on, that highside could have been prevented by not releasing the rear brake prematurely. Just figured I'd throw that in. Dale ---------- From: Mitch[SMTP:mrubinst@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 8:27 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BLAMBLAMVROOOOooooommmmm.... Just wanted to say that I actually give the guns to my passenger who worries about shooting and reloading while I do the driving. Forget pistols, I actually make my passengers use shotguns. It's easier to hit things while we are moving. I've only had 3 fall off the bike because of them losing their balance. Once I high sided because of the way the shooting started to throw the bike around. But it was ok, because my passenger hit her target so there was no one to come kill us while we recovered. Unfortunately making sure we were ok and righting the bike took too much time and so just as we got going again, this rookie cop showed up because passing motorists had called 911 on their cell-phones. But I flashed him the thumbs up and he let me and my shotgun-wielding passenger ride on by. Mitch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 19:02:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15574; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22565; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15525; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA16396 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bergie.erols.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA1D1.FDB3FF40@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCA1D1.FDB3FF40@bergie.erols.com> From: Bergie Frazier Jr To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:54:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >shouldnt say how many rounds they hold. Didnt they pass a new LAW on "clip >capacities"? Im not sure my clips are LEGAL anymore. (heaven forbid) FYI: the '94 Clinton Crime Bill only affected the manufacture of NEW high capacity feeding devices (10 rounds max for handgun & rifle magazines), it does NOT affect the legality of your previously owned high capacity magazines, nor does it make it illegal to sell or transfer "pre-ban" high capacity mags. It only makes it illegal to manufacture new ones. Actually they still make high cap. mags, but they are marked "law enforcement use only" and are available to dealers and law enforcement. Berg/ZX11 PS; If you were wondering, I'm a licensed dealer (FFL) in VA for six years now. (part time of course) PPS: guess that makes it okay for you to continue with your plans to drop off 15 or more rounds on your next drive by... :o) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 20:57:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16316; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23663; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19635; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA14159; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970805205437_1116128899@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: rdritchie@XXXXXX Subject: FS: '96 Triumph Adventurer (Posted for a friend) Must Sell: 1996 Triumph Adventurer 2800 miles windshield luggage rack cover center stand still under warranty $7995 If interested, call Rob at: (540) 636-4157 home (703) 691-5919 work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 21:19:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16476; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23925; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20427; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19369 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708060118.VAA19369@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: 4SALE Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:17:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (2) Shoei X8-Air helmets FOR SALE Size: XL and Large (comparable to standard large and medium of other brands) Color: black purple mica metallic (painted to match factory '95 Kawasaki ZX11) I still have the original boxes, factory clear shield on one, $50 purple iridium shield on the other. Condition: Excellent, about 2 years old Selling because I want to get a pair of new RX7RR Arai's in Black. $ 250/both (o.b.o.) Bergie Frazier, Jr., Owner Paragon Consulting 4451 Brookfield Corporate Drive, Suite 112 Chantilly, VA 20151-1693 TEL: 703-968-3023 FAX: 703-968-3025 EMAIL: bergie@XXXXXX STORE HOURS: 9AM-6PM Monday-Thursday, Friday 9-3pm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 21:49:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16622; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24149; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21507; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as50s54.erols.com [207.172.99.54]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26715; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970805214934.0072eefc@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:49:34 -0400 To: "Gilley, Lester" , DC-Cycles From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Your YZF In-Reply-To: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F81DD8B6@gates.ejbell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:46 PM 8/5/97 -0400, Gilley, Lester wrote: >I like it. I find it to be a good compromise. You can do touring with >it. I've gone 400 miles in one day. My butt did hurt and I was a bit >tired but I don't think that is anything that a Corbin or exercise won't >fix. Only 400??? Several of us pulled 500 plus a couple of weekends back (me on the Gixer 750), although sore is not the word for how I felt the next day :) I'm still learning how to walk upright again. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 22:27:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16911; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24678; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22988; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id WAA04570 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:25:43 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma004568; Tue, 5 Aug 97 22:25:42 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id WAA13318 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA870834261; Tue, 05 Aug 97 22:24:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9708058708.AA870834261@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 22:23:38 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Long rides... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok... 400 miles is a good day trip. Glenn, would you care to comment on this.. we seem to be pleased with the trips that end up at 400 miles. Personaly, I like to sting together a few of those in a row for good long trips... but anything less than that when I'm in the mood for a ride seems like a let-down. Speaking of rides... I'm looking for someone who's willing to play hookie on a Monday to go for a ride. I have funky weekends for awhile and ended up with Sundays and Mondays off... I can find stuff to do on Sunday... but Mondays are borring... Anyway, back to ye-old work... Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 22:44:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17083; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24879; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23581; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kamehameha (zz0072.staff.digex.net [204.192.83.72]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05837 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E7E4D7.124866FA@digex.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:43:35 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: When you least expect it... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...expect it. On the way home from work this evening I almost struck a deer. By "almost" I mean "inches." ...as in about 6 of them...8 at the outside. The deer was fairly small by most standards - it looked like an oversized greyhound and, like a greyhound, was extremely quick and agile. Lucky for me. It entered my field of vision, darted across the road, and disappeared into the bushes before I had even dodged to one side or applied the brakes very hard. This wasn't out in the sticks, either. This was on a usually busy on-ramp to I-66. BE CAREFUL --WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 00:02:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17688; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27827; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27095; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12859; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (dialup9.illuminet.net [205.215.55.9]) by server2.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA06333 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:37:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970806000359.0069935c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 00:03:59 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: BLAMBLAMVROOOOooooommmmm.... Did I subscribe to rec.motorcycles? I don't remember doing that. Never mind . . . no tennis balls, wheelies or countersteering references, c'mon let's have a decent rewrite of this. At 18:27 5-08-97 +0600, you wrote: >Just wanted to say that I actually give the guns to my passenger who >worries about shooting and reloading while I do the driving. Forget >pistols, I actually make my passengers use shotguns. It's easier to hit >things while we are moving. I've only had 3 fall off the bike because of >them losing their balance. Once I high sided because of the way the >shooting started to throw the bike around. But it was ok, because my >passenger hit her target so there was no one to come kill us while we >recovered. Unfortunately making sure we were ok and righting the bike took >too much time and so just as we got going again, this rookie cop showed up >because passing motorists had called 911 on their cell-phones. But I >flashed him the thumbs up and he let me and my shotgun-wielding passenger >ride on by. > > Mitch > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 02:44:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19107; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29408; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cagw2.att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29712; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com by caig2.att.att.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) id PAA07551; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:55:40 -0400 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA07120 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:44:28 -0400 Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA1B6.B09ADC30@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:46:07 -0400 Message-Id: Original-From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: NO MAS !!! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:46:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know you may be joking but, enough already!! Let's get back to motorcycles!! --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 07:35:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20741; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02116; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05402; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA23B.23619860@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:34:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: NEW vs. Turbo vs. BIG Bore Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:34:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT Correction, come people its bimmer for the cage and beemer for the bikes. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >> Three is the way to go. You can always sell that Beemer (cage) can't >> you? > >>Welp, it's alot of money. And besides that, I don't own a beemer, just >>a clunky ol' Trans-Am convertible, and I don't think I could part with >>that. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 07:42:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20780; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02165; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05666; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (tobias@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA04467; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tobias@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA29197; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:42:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: tobias owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Tobias To: Bergie Frazier Jr cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop In-Reply-To: <199708051923.PAA01661@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > > Ok. Well. Just what ARE your views on gun control? You wanna know mine? > > Huh? Ok. I dont think you should carry one in your hands while you're > > riding. Too hard to control that way. At least, it is for me. Damn thing > > kept goin off at the most INCONVENIENT times. Hit a bump and...well... > > ooops. Sorry guy. My fault. > > I agree, it's alot harder to shoot innocent people standing on the side of > the > road while doing a one-handed 45-degree wheelie @ 85mph yielding a > Desert Eagle .50 and popping off rounds. If only we didn't have to wear those d*mn helmets! =========================================================================== Phone: (301) 897-8859 Fax: (301) 897-5354 e-mail: tobias@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 07:43:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20787; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02175; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05675; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA23C.64A677E0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:43:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Long rides... Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:43:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT I have to agree. Saturdays ride ended up @ 408 round trip miles from my driveway in Annandale. Of course I'm not riding a GSXR or something with not much of a seat. But a lot of people are scared of rides of that distance though. Anyone up for a ride this weekend? No plans yet just up in the air. I can play either day. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > > > >Ok... 400 miles is a good day trip. Glenn, would you care to comment > >on this.. we seem to be pleased with the trips that end up at 400 > >miles. Personaly, I like to sting together a few of those in a row > >for good long trips... but anything less than that when I'm in the > >mood for a ride seems like a let-down. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 08:17:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21020; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03700; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeb.s3i.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06948; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmo.s3i.com by jeb.s3i.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18988; Wed, 6 Aug 97 08:17:05 EDT Received: from localhost by elmo.s3i.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA16790; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:17:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: beamer In-Reply-To: <970805171559_-1638310555@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 FakeTree@XXXXXX wrote: > any other beamers out there? just purchased a 97 r850r. > jb haller > faketree@XXXXXX "beamer"? I'll have you know that I'm of German heritage and I take offense at that sort of...um...that's not an insulting term?...nevermind. Yes, I have a BMW. It's a 1977 R75/7, with 118,000 miles on it (most of which were not put on by me). It's in very good shape, not counting the speedometer, but I think that speedometers are over-rated anyway. Let's see, I've got lots of questions for you: Does the R850 R have the "Telelever" front suspension? How is that? I've heard it described as "weird" by people used to traditional suspensions. Where did you get it and how were they? My guess: Bob's BMW. Is this your first BMW, and if not, where have you been going to get it worked on? (I've been doing the work on mine, but I'm just not experienced with carbs so I want someone to adjust / sync them, preferably with me asking question the entire time.) Why the R850 vice the R1100, besides the $$$? What was difference in power between them? -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 08:20:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21038; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03764; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07006; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAA579.73; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:18:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970806082008.00913810@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:20:08 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: NEW vs. Turbo vs. BIG Bore In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:34 AM 8/6/97 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Correction, come people its bimmer for the cage and beemer for the >bikes. Right. Bimmers are nothing but factory-authorized rainsuits for Beemers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 08:26:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21075; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03860; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07313; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA16039 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA242.45A984D0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:25:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Gilley, Lester'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Your YZF Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:25:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Gilley, Lester[SMTP:LesterG@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 5:46 PM >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: RE: Your YZF > --snip-- > Also, the new Ninja's and GSXR 900 should be out >this fall or early next year. If they are like their siblings, they >should rock. The ZX-12 will fly, the ZX-9RR should be evil, and the >GSXR 900 just might be marked as illegal to ride on the streets if it is >anything like the GSXR 750. > I have also heard rumors that Suzuki is going to come out with a bike to compete with the blackbird/zx-11. It is supposed to be based on the RF ... called the RFR1100? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 08:29:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21088; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03939; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07377; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA29616 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA29642 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:28:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA9288 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:28:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Ninja Sighting X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970806122851.AAA9288@localHost> About 8am this morning, north on 395 HOV Black w/purple motif (ZX11), you in black leather jacket w/Purple stripes. Anyone? Todd Black ST1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 08:33:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21130; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04015; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07429; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA243.69BFB050@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: beamer Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:33:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT You guys with BMWs should check out http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ There must be at least 7 different BMW lists. A buddy of mine belongs to one of them and gets great tech info and parts for good prices. good luck Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >---------- > > >>Let's see, I've got lots of questions for you: Does the R850 R have the >>"Telelever" front suspension? How is that? I've heard it described as >>"weird" by people used to traditional suspensions. Where did you get it >>and how were they? My guess: Bob's BMW. Is this your first BMW, and if >>not, where have you been going to get it worked on? (I've been doing the >>work on mine, but I'm just not experienced with carbs so I want someone to >>adjust / sync them, preferably with me asking question the entire time.) >>Why the R850 vice the R1100, besides the $$$? What was difference in >>power between them? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 09:01:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21325; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04671; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08801; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3e873540; Wed, 6 Aug 97 08:51:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3e873540@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: NEW vs. Turbo vs. BIG Bore To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Having built a few car engines, go natural. A healthy unblown or turboed motor will last longer. Do that option. You could always add a turbo if that wasn't enough HP for you. Think of the money you will save on front tires! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 09:18:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21503; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04821; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09538; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA22753 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:17:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199708061317.AA22753@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:17:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:17:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 9:13:21 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970805172015.37671b36@pop.erols.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11SKMh00007U6 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ok..I get to be a stickler again.. ;-) there's no such thing as a clip in a pistol...it's called a MAGAZINE...a clip is an external, removable casing for automatic/semiautomatic rifles... gawd..sometimes I can be a real pain in the ass.... ;-) cheers, -aki > X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX > > At 04:15 PM 8/5/97 -0400, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > >Well I was going to a little comparing this weekend, .50 vs. 9mm.. > > > >Last weekend when I hit some homeless dude in the chest with the .50, > >it made a big mess and the blood in the road almost caused me to crash, > >so I wanted to knock off a couple people with the Glock or Beretta this > >weekend, and see if that helps.. I'm sure I could get a few extra rounds > >off with the 9mm though, just in case I miss the first time. > > > > > Just carry a couple of extra clips with you for the Beretta. Quick to pop > out and replace. Ive got a few of the ones that hold..lemme see.. maybe I > shouldnt say how many rounds they hold. Didnt they pass a new LAW on "clip > capacities"? Im not sure my clips are LEGAL anymore. (heaven forbid) What if > I got pulled over by a rookie cop that's riding a RICER ROCKET, while > wearing my ILLEGAL helmet, and packin a beretta with an ILLEGAL capacity > clip, all while I was legally riding on an HOV lane that HE thought was > ILLEGAL? Should I then tell him to fuck off? Or should I then tell him how > much I appreciate him and the difficulties of his harrowing job? > decisions, decisions.... > > Squeakers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 09:24:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21663; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04890; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09695; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA23002 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:23:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199708061323.AA23002@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:23:45 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:23:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 9:21:47 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Rookie MCP Cop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <33E7A3B4.518F33C4@digex.net> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11SKUz0000045 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME > Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > Todd B Peer wrote: > > > heh, heh. That's pretty funny, Aki. > > Todd > > [excellent diagram snipped] > > yeah, you can tell he was thinking that one up all week. > > > -=WWW=- > hey waitaminnit!..it didn't take me all... ..what?...it's already AUGUST???? oh...well..then...guess yer right... never mind...damn... cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 09:51:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21864; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05281; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10885; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04074 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:51:11 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:51:11 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:49:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >ok..I get to be a stickler again.. ;-) >there's no such thing as a clip in a pistol...it's called a >MAGAZINE...a clip is an external, removable casing for automatic/semiautomatic >rifles... 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If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends. Who wants to sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?! I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho. Later Kevin PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 09:55:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21892; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05354; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10985; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000209.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.221]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA17971 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: <33E88231.B7D552B5@digex.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:54:59 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Carburetors Dripping Gas X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What can cause carbs to overflow? Three of the four carbs on my '91 Zephyr 750 have sprung a leak and it seems like the leak is getting progressively worse. I noticed a faint smell of gas yesterday when I fired it up, but this morning the odor was *much* stronger and 3 of the carbs show gas leaking out of what appears to be overflow drains. There is no "off" position on the petcock, only "on," "reserve," and "prime." I'm afraid some gas has leaked into the crankcase, too. -- WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 10:05:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22013; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05611; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11502; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA24500 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:05:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199708061405.AA24500@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:05:07 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:05:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:03:26 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: party To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <970806094835_196702889@emout08.mail.aol.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11SLAd000012Q ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME yeah..especially if I invite everyone over after a ride to relax in my hottub... ;-) gawd..wouldn't THAT be a sight...a dozen bikes parked out in front with a trail of leather and helmets leading to my hottub and THEN finding nothing but GUYS sitting in it staring at each other trying to be manly talking about football! ;-) cheers, -aki > Hey, y'all- > > Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list? > > If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends. Who wants to > sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all > night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?! > > I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho. > > Later > Kevin > > PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 10:16:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22149; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05820; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11993; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA251.C7DBC210@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:16:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'KLThomas77@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:16:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 26 TEXT > >Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list? Good question, speak up ladies. > >If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends. Who wants to >sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all >night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?! I think that's called a sausage fest. > >I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho. I bet she drinks Budweiser. ;-). If that's the case she can out drink me! > > >PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard! Lets do it. I've been dying to try out my Mossburg 500. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 10:17:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22155; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05831; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12035; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IM46K00V7K95NB4E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:18:19 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:17:30 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:17:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Long rides... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E412IYS27Z3K X400-MTS-identifier: [;03710160807991/1870206@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 The Iron Butt Association's (IBA) home page has some tips on long rides (which 400 miles doesn't REALLY qualify for...). It's worth checking out. Later this year I'd like to do one of the IBA's qualification rides. Either the 1000 miles in 24 hours or the 1500 miles in 24 hours. It'll probably be October. Anyone else have an interest? You'll get an IBA license plate bracket ("toughest bikers in the world" or somesuch). If doing a ride like this doesn't sound exciting enough I'm willing to wait until January and head north. :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 10:19:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22175; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05917; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12097; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 153.34.241.248 ([153.34.241.248]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA26758 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E79F9B.2CE3@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 17:48:11 -0400 From: Alan Lapp Reply-To: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jerks References: <3e1da680@emh3.arl.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Choat wrote: > > >Who else but a drunk would be driving that late at night? > > >Jerks. > > - Hacker > Statistically, swerving is usually done by drunks. The odds > are very high (over 50%) that erratic driving is > caused by alcohol. If your operating profile falls into > this area, you are going to be pulled over. Frankly, I > have a serious problem with drunk drivers, I can put > up with the "jerks" who are taking them off the road, > even if it means I get checked out too. > > David Choat, Visionary > '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX > '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten) > > It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. I used to have an old Triumph Spitfire (a little convertible, not an MC) that had completely shagged steering gear. I used to get pulled over *regularly* under suspicion of driving drunk. Al From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 10:19:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22181; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05926; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12103; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28985; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 153.34.241.248 ([153.34.241.248]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA26805 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E88366.C68@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:00:08 -0400 From: Alan Lapp Reply-To: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Shootin' N Ridin' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Also, if you shoot left handed with an automatic, would you get hit with > the shells at 70mph? A revolver would make this a non-issue, but > reloading would be a bitch. > > Any thoughts? > > -jimi My thinking is: Gas operated 12 gauge with a sling, no choke, with the shells filled with rusty nails and stuff off the bottom of the cat box. Al 9" exit wound that never heals From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 10:19:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22186; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05939; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12109; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16075; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 153.34.241.248 ([153.34.241.248]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA26865 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E88713.23FE@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:15:48 -0400 From: Alan Lapp Reply-To: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cars in bike parking (was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief trip report)) References: <199708052133.RAA15546@alumni.umbc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit snip The paint chips > came off my brake lever easily enough. My girlfriend was cracking up > the whole time. > A number of years ago, when I was young and crazy(er), I was run off the road by a car on RTE 29, near Columbia. I went off into the grass at around 65, squirreled around a bit, kacked in my undies, and got back onto the road. I followed the car to the next light, where they were conveniently in the left lane, boxed in by cars in the right lane, and the turn lane. I pulled up next to the car, and shouted that they had run me off, which they completely denied in a very arrogant manner - stating that if I were on a motorcycle, I should be prepared for this kind of thing because "no one can see those damn things!" At which point, I felt an anuresim coming on, and I needed to relieve the pressure in my skull. So, I jumped up on their hood and roof and proceded to cave them in screaming the whole time "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW MOTHERF**KER!?!?!?" I see the light in cross trafic turn yellow, and I jumped down and sped off. Al From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 10:56:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22596; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08041; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13796; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA257.036E8380@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:53:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:53:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT Uhh, I'll pass.... Horkster ---------- From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 10:03 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: party gawd..wouldn't THAT be a sight...a dozen bikes parked out in front with a trail of leather and helmets leading to my hottub and THEN finding nothing but GUYS sitting in it staring at each other trying to be manly talking about football! ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 10:56:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22597; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08038; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13793; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA16087 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:55:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop4a.mail.mci.com (pop4a.mail.mci.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA31371 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ltanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by pop4a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA8519 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:55:24 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:55:29 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCA257.40AF0E40.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:55:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, they are not the only female riders on the list. I have been posting a little here and there so I don't think of myself as a total lurker. I don't have much interest in getting into some of the flame wars we have experienced here lately. I subscribe to this list for the motorcycle content - and maybe some of the funny stuff. A party sounds like a capital idea to me, although I don't have much interest in shooting anything. Besides, Todd's backyard is not actually conducive to that, considering that my trailer is taking up allot of valuable space. Shooters perhaps. (B52s or sex-on-the-beach??) Or Todd's homebrewed beer. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (just turned 17k miles in < 18 months) AMA HRC Department of Redundancy Department etc. -----Original Message----- From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX [SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 9:51 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: party Hey, y'all- Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list? If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends. Who wants to sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?! I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho. Later Kevin PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:01:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22742; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08469; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13988; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20211; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3e88f060; Wed, 6 Aug 97 10:49:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:53:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3e88f060@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Stress Out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part oooh temper. I has a similar event too. I got run off on an entrance ramp, and then when I pulled alongside the car THEY SWERVED into me. At the next light I nearly dropped the bike (forgot the sidestand) and wore some knuckles out on their hood. This is called agressive driving and I could have been bolted for it too. Felt good though. What can you do? There would be this leather clad raging biker vs a meek car driver. Not good. So make sure you can get away with it. Or carry a change of undies and some TUMs. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Cars in bike parking (was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief From: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX at ddn Date: 6/8/1997 10:15 AM snip The paint chips > came off my brake lever easily enough. My girlfriend was cracking up > the whole time. > A number of years ago, when I was young and crazy(er), I was run off the road by a car on RTE 29, near Columbia. I went off into the grass at around 65, squirreled around a bit, kacked in my undies, and got back onto the road. I followed the car to the next light, where they were conveniently in the left lane, boxed in by cars in the right lane, and the turn lane. I pulled up next to the car, and shouted that they had run me off, which they completely denied in a very arrogant manner - stating that if I were on a motorcycle, I should be prepared for this kind of thing because "no one can see those damn things!" At which point, I felt an anuresim coming on, and I needed to relieve the pressure in my skull. So, I jumped up on their hood and roof and proceded to cave them in screaming the whole time "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW MOTHERF**KER!?!?!?" I see the light in cross trafic turn yellow, and I jumped down and sped off. Al From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:04:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22836; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09110; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14358; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:06:55 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:06:08 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: party Ok, I'm also I women on the list who can drink beer (no merican beer please) and shoot the shit with the guys (and maybe shoot a mossburg500!). Looking forward to the party, and I will see what I can do about bringing like minded women... ; ) sandy >>> Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN 08/06 10:16 AM >>> > >Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list? Good question, speak up ladies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:17:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23032; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09346; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15016; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id LAA594.11; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:15:32 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970806110659.00973310@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:06:59 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Carburetors Dripping Gas In-Reply-To: <33E88231.B7D552B5@digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:54 AM 8/6/97 -0400, Warren W. Weiss wrote: >What can cause carbs to overflow? Dirt in the gas, which gets into your float needle valve. Letting gas age in the carb can do it to. Best solution is to remove, dissassemble, and clean the carb(s). Second best is to remove the float bowl with the carb installed, remove the float needle from the carb and clean it. Third best is to remove the fuel line and spray a bunch of carb cleaner into the fuel opening, hoping this cleans the dirt away from the float needle. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:18:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23059; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09365; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15045; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA15112 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA02030 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:18:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA24929 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:18:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Carburetors Dripping Gas X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970806151800.AAA24929@localHost> >What can cause carbs to overflow? > >Three of the four carbs on my '91 Zephyr 750 have sprung a leak and it seems >like the leak is getting progressively worse. I noticed a faint smell of gas >yesterday when I fired it up, but this morning the odor was *much* stronger >and 3 of the carbs show gas leaking out of what appears to be overflow drains. > >There is no "off" position on the petcock, only "on," "reserve," and "prime." > >.I'm afraid some gas has leaked into the crankcase, too. sounds like the valve(s) the floats actuate aren't closing off the fuel. These typically have a (rubber) seat and since you say that three =:0 of your carbs are overflowing, i would guess the seats are gone or, the floats in each carb may be stuck in the open position. seems real unlikely though. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:20:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23088; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09558; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15093; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA15878 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA03218 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:20:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA9215 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:20:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970806152006.AAA9215@localHost> >yeah..especially if I invite everyone over after a ride to >relax in my hottub... ;-) > >gawd..wouldn't THAT be a sight...a dozen bikes parked out in >front with a trail of leather and helmets leading to my hottub >and THEN finding nothing but GUYS sitting in it staring at >each other trying to be manly talking about football! ;-) > >cheers, >-aki > You know Aki, its almost lunchtime. I did NOT need that bit of imagery just now. To Kevin, Not enough back yard for skeet. Would a loud neighbors dog do? > >> Hey, y'all- >> >> Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list? >> >> If so, please bring (female, motorcycling, of course) friends. Who wants to >> sit around with a bunch of guys talking about motorcycles and drinking all >> night when one can do the same thing in mixed company?!?! >> >> I have a feeling that Squeakers can out-party most of us, tho. >> >> Later >> Kevin >> >> PS--Maybe we can shoot skeet in Todd's back yard! >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:26:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23139; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10097; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15437; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19395; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27936 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:25:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199708061525.AA27936@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:25:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:25:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:24:18 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Stress Out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3e88f060@emh3.arl.mil> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11SMTb00003cr ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME Several years ago while I was in Va. Beach, I saw a Harley rider sitting at a red light,minding his own business (I was in the lane next to him, admiring his ride), when a car with a bunch of roudy teens pulled up behind him. The light was still red and they honked their horn at the bike then ROLLED THEIR CAR RIGHT INTO THE BACK OF HIS BIKE. The bike, minus the rider who rolled onto the hood of the car, shot forward and flipped in the middle of the intersection. THEN THE TEENS STARTED LAUGHING AND POINTING!! I was just about to get out of the car when, the rider calmly picked himself up, walked over to his bike and pulled out a foot long metal pipe out of his saddlebag and calmly walked over to the car and commenced to total every window, fender and hood on the car much to the amazement and terror of the occupants. Then he just as calmly walked over to his bike, righted it, looked it over and drove away.... I laughed so hard I damn near peed my britches.... cheers, -aki > oooh temper. I has a similar event too. I got run off > on an entrance ramp, and then when I pulled alongside the car THEY > SWERVED into me. At the next light I nearly dropped the bike > (forgot the sidestand) and wore some knuckles out on their hood. > This is called agressive driving and I could have been bolted > for it too. Felt good though. What can you do? There would > be this leather clad raging biker vs a meek car driver. > Not good. So make sure you can get away with it. > Or carry a change of undies and some TUMs. > > Dave > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Subject: Re: Cars in bike parking (was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief > From: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX at ddn > Date: 6/8/1997 10:15 AM > > snip > The paint chips > > came off my brake lever easily enough. My girlfriend was cracking up > > the whole time. > > > A number of years ago, when I was young and crazy(er), I was run off the > road by a car on RTE 29, near Columbia. I went off into the grass at > around 65, squirreled around a bit, kacked in my undies, and got back > onto the road. I followed the car to the next light, where they were > conveniently in the left lane, boxed in by cars in the right lane, and > the turn lane. I pulled up next to the car, and shouted that they had > run me off, which they completely denied in a very arrogant manner - > stating that if I were on a motorcycle, I should be prepared for this > kind of thing because "no one can see those damn things!" At which > point, I felt an anuresim coming on, and I needed to relieve the > pressure in my skull. So, I jumped up on their hood and roof and > proceded to cave them in screaming the whole time "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW > MOTHERF**KER!?!?!?" I see the light in cross trafic turn yellow, and I > jumped down and sped off. > > Al > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:34:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23251; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10457; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15682; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09666; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA19953 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA25666 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA24034 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:33:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cars in bike parking (was Re: Rookie MCP Cop (and brief trip report)) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970806153348.AAA24034@localHost> <> I pulled up next to the car, and shouted that they had run me off, which they completely denied in a very arrogant manner - stating that if I were on a motorcycle, I should be prepared for this kind of thing because "no one can see those damn things!" At which point, I felt an anuresim coming on, and I needed to relieve the pressure in my skull. So, I jumped up on their hood and roof and proceded to cave them in screaming the whole time "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW MOTHERF**KER!?!?!?" I see the light in cross trafic turn yellow, and I jumped down and sped off. Al Excellent. Serves 'em right. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:39:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23326; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10725; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16048; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA12767 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:39:36 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:39:36 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:37:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Not enough back yard for skeet. 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M*64Y,R!'4U@@(C$5(#!'4"EE-S?\($($D!" `9 B "" &``````# ````````1@`````8A0```````!X`"( (( 8````` M`, ```````!&`````#:%```!`````0`````````>``F "" &``````# ```` M````1@`````WA0```0````$`````````'@`*@ @@!@``````P ```````$8` M````.(4```$````!``````````,`)@```````P`V```````"`?D_`0```!X` M````````W*= R,!"$!JTN0@`*R_A@@$`````````+@```!X`^#\!````%0`` M`%-Y X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Carburetors Dripping Gas Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:40:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT, 44 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >There is no "off" position on the petcock, only "on," "reserve," and "prime." Your fuel switch is vacuum operated from the intake manifold - i.e. when the engine's running, the valve is held open and closes automatically when the engine is off. 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I put a relay and extra horn on my '91 EX500 and the relay corroded after 1 trip in the rain. I now want to do the same thing for my Bandit 600 but I don't want to have the same trouble. --John jcarver@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:48:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23411; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10979; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16513; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IM49OLI1FK95NCOQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:49:18 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:47:10 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:47:10 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Long rides... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E424IYS2JL5C X400-MTS-identifier: [;01741160807991/1870634@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >What is their web address? Thanks. I knew I should've just looked it up in the first place... The Iron Butt Association's home page is at www.ironbutt.com. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 11:52:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23466; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11069; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16663; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25465; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA01842; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:51:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:51:51 -0400 (EDT) To: "Jordan, Michael" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Jordan, Michael wrote: > >Not enough back yard for skeet. Would a loud neighbors dog do? > > Nope - I've tried - dogs are hard to throw and don't fly properly. Also, > it's hard to tell whether or not you've hit them squarely as they tend to > yelp a lot during the whole process. Did anyone see the Saturday Night Live commercial for the "Yard-a-pult", would be perfect for this. Besides, if you hit the dog squarely, it SHOULD stop yelping. I have found cats fly farther anyway, their smaller size is more sporting, and are largly reusable if you miss since they land well. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 12:28:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24007; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12482; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18366; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3e8a3110; Wed, 6 Aug 97 12:15:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:25:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3e8a3110@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: party Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.870884113" This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.870884113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part all right, I'll bite. How many people would be showing up at this party? If it isn't really egregious,_maybe_I would host it. Like sometime in September maybe. I have a big yard on a dead end street, and there are some woods here too. The house can hold some folks as well. Howw big is this list anyway? Are you there oh listmeister? I hope I don't regret this... Mike J. you cracked me up. Dave David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten) '89 Remington 1187 It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. --IMA.Boundary.870884113 Content-Type: text/basic; name="WINMAIL.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: text file xM-^_>"^[^O^A^FM-^P^H M-@set0 ^G^SM-M^BM-^@} M-^@^HM-H ; o^N0f5^BM-^@ M-^Auc M-@ M-^D^C M-^@^VM-Ppe - IM-t'v^\M-^@t^HM-^A^X M-@^\M-^@^PA^X M-^@^H ^F --IMA.Boundary.870884113-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 12:45:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24238; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13065; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19243; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id MAC005.81; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:44:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970806124234.00989c90@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:42:34 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Waterproof Relay In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Does anyone know where or if a waterproof relay is made for use on a >horn? I put a relay and extra horn on my '91 EX500 and the relay >corroded after 1 trip in the rain. I now want to do the same thing >for my Bandit 600 but I don't want to have the same trouble. You could probably get a marine (boating) one, but it would likely cost a pretty penny. My cheap Trak Auto relays work fine. Perhaps position it out of the spray from the rain, with the contacts down so the relay can't fill with water. I've got one relay inside the headlight housing. If you want to take it a a step further, take silicon sealant (clear sealant for bathtubs, etc.) and press that around the contacts. It's a little messy putting on, but it'll do a good job of protecting the contacts. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 14:53:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26302; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19826; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12361; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA13779 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA29448 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA16838 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:45:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re[2]: party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970806184555.AAA16838@localHost> Dave C Wrote: >all right, I'll bite. >How many people would be showing up at this party? >If it isn't really egregious,_maybe_I would host it. >Like sometime in September maybe. >I have a big yard on a dead end street, and there are >some woods here too. The house can hold some folks >as well. Howw big is this list anyway? Are you there >oh listmeister? > >I hope I don't regret this... > >Mike J. you cracked me up. > > Dave Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit fag bath imagery didn't put me off. I was lucky to have a beautiful woman sitting across from me. Now as for Daves offer, great! But I was serious for October 18th. Its just one of the weekends I'm not busy with the moto, or whatever. I know that's a little far off, but I'll still plan for it. And since you offered Dave, I'm up for September 14 and/or 27th since 9/6-7 is WERA at Summit Point, and 9/19-20 is the TN-STAR. Egregious in my WORD97 thesaurus - gross, excessive, flagrant, extreme. Yeah, I'm with you there. In addition to friends I would invite anyway, I've counted 15 others on this list, w/just three females. Have to bring more of them in, even if they don't ride. You ladies can talk the sport up a little, maybe up the female ranks with new riders. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 15:02:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26399; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19968; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26931; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.118.96.185] (dhcp185_96.hst.nasa.gov) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA251 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:02:10 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:56:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Rottier.Amy" Subject: Re: RE: party Another XX chiming in. Parties are good. Dark beer at parties is better. *Good* dark beer at parties is excellent. So are shooters - of the alcoholic type, that is. Post it, and they will come. Amy >Ok, I'm also I women on the list who can drink beer (no merican beer >please) and shoot the shit with the guys (and maybe shoot a mossburg500!). >Looking forward to the party, and I will see what I can do about bringing >like minded women... ; ) > >sandy > >>>> Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN 08/06 10:16 AM >>> >> >>Are Squeakers and Colleen (lurking) the only women on the list? > >Good question, speak up ladies. > > > *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Amy Elizabeth Rottier (Donovan), aka Platypus '83 Honda Shadow VT500 Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX '92 Taurus SHO MTX '70 Opel GT 1900 How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Two. One to hold the giraffe and the other to fill the bathtub with brightly colored machine tools. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 15:22:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26657; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20744; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27972; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA27C.75B01650@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:21:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:21:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT OK, so are we all going to chip in the money for a "good" keg? Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >>Another XX chiming in. Parties are good. Dark beer at parties is better. >>*Good* dark beer at parties is excellent. So are shooters - of the >>alcoholic type, that is. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 15:22:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26667; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20764; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27983; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA04008 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199708061922.AA04008@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:11 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:18:32 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Re[2]: party To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970806184555.AAA16838@localHost> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11SQF900001uU ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME heh heh....no doubt if I did have a manly "tub off", I'd drain that honker and scrub like nobodys business immediately! ;-) seriously, me and my wife would be honored to attend...she also rides (a Shadow 500)...just let me know the tentative dates/location and we'll check our calandars... ..and a ditto on the GOOD dark beer...ales are better...please no Buds, Bud Lights..yada yada yada.... ..and no sushi....yeech cheers, -aki > > Dave C Wrote: > >all right, I'll bite. > >How many people would be showing up at this party? > >If it isn't really egregious,_maybe_I would host it. > >Like sometime in September maybe. > >I have a big yard on a dead end street, and there are > >some woods here too. The house can hold some folks > >as well. Howw big is this list anyway? Are you there > >oh listmeister? > > > >I hope I don't regret this... > > > >Mike J. you cracked me up. > > > > Dave > > > Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit > fag bath imagery didn't put me off. I was lucky to have a beautiful > woman sitting across from me. > > Now as for Daves offer, great! But I was serious for October > 18th. Its just one of the weekends I'm not busy with the moto, or > whatever. I know that's a little far off, but I'll still plan for > it. > > And since you offered Dave, I'm up for September 14 and/or 27th > since 9/6-7 is WERA at Summit Point, > and 9/19-20 is the TN-STAR. > > Egregious in my WORD97 thesaurus - gross, excessive, flagrant, extreme. > Yeah, I'm with you there. In addition to friends I would invite anyway, > I've counted 15 others on this list, w/just three females. Have to > bring more of them in, even if they don't ride. You ladies can talk > the sport up a little, maybe up the female ranks with new riders. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 15:32:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26774; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21268; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28440; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA19207 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:30:55 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma019175; Wed, 6 Aug 97 15:30:47 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA27542 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA870895771; Wed, 06 Aug 97 15:29:32 -0500 Message-Id: <9708068708.AA870895771@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 15:26:52 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: party MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright... We need to take a head count on this party thing (to find a reasonable place to host it). I have time at work to wade through it all, and can keep decent track of stuff... so if you're interested in joining us, let me know (as well as if you think you'll be bringing some friends). This is NOT intended to be a head count (duck.. duck.. duck.. goose?!?), ok, well.. yes it is. But just an estimate... I've a file all set up, so fire away.. bmccoy@XXXXXX Brian McCoy 86 VF500f and to many guns to count.. all in Wyoming or Montana though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 15:55:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27197; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22077; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29574; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA280.C427FD80@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:52:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Re[2]: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:52:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 31 TEXT Brian, please count me in for the party thing. Aki, Who suggested dark beer? yecch! If I wanted something bitter, I'd bring the mother-in-law. There's a reason those 'light' beers are so popular - in a word, taste. Although if I have any beer at all, I'm sitting for the night. I've found that my ability to ride the scoot is SERIOUSLY compromised by even 1-2 beers. My tolerance must be wearing off, or something. At least we agree on the (lack of) sushi. Horkster ---------- From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 3:18 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: party ..and a ditto on the GOOD dark beer...ales are better...please no Buds, Bud Lights..yada yada yada.... ..and no sushi....yeech cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 15:56:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27203; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22102; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29588; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3e8d3da0; Wed, 6 Aug 97 15:43:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:47:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3e8d3da0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[4]: party To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Now as for Daves offer, great! >And since you offered Dave, I'm up for September 14 and/or 27th since 9/6-7 is WERA at Summit Point, and 9/19-20 is the TN-STAR. Yeah, God willin and we able I will be at Summit then anyway. OK so aboout 15 people on the list, and various hangers ons and cycle friends. Call it 25 riders or so. It would need to be a Saturday so I can recover the next day. Would this be a bring your own dish/drink thing? Barbecue or what? Outdoors for certain. Is there enough zymurgological interests to donate bucks towards a keg of real beer? A few (3-4) dollars each can but something nice. Perhaps we could donate some money to some dang charity? It seems like every time I see bikers gathered, they are donating money to someone-I suggest the PBF or Children's Hospital. Should there be some kinda weird contest? Most bugs, oldest riding wear, whatever? Let me think this over, while you all do as well. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:01:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27305; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22304; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29804; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA04382 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA26428 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:01:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB18437 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:01:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970806200057.AAB18437@localHost> FYI, I checked the prices yesterday @ total beverage. "Dominion Ale" is over $100 for a 15 gallon keg =:0 So, hell yes, chipping in it shall be. I make beer and could be persuaded to pitch in a couple of (5-gallon) kegs for a little gratis. Todd >OK, so are we all going to chip in the money for a "good" keg? > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> >>>Another XX chiming in. Parties are good. Dark beer at parties is better. >>>*Good* dark beer at parties is excellent. So are shooters - of the >>>alcoholic type, that is. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:12:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27524; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22606; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00369; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26687; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id QAC020.73; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970806161350.009a1890@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 16:13:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Stress Out In-Reply-To: <199708061525.AA27936@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <3e88f060@emh3.arl.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I was just about to get out of the car when, the rider calmly picked >himself up, walked over to his bike and pulled out a >foot long metal pipe out of his saddlebag and calmly walked over to the >car and commenced to total every window, fender and hood on the car >much to the amazement and terror of the occupants. Then he just >as calmly walked over to his bike, righted it, looked it over and >drove away.... These are great stories ... but I feel obliged to be a wet blanket. Just factor in one more factor -- a gun. Rowdy teenagers harass a biker, biker retaliates, teenager pulls gun ... On the LDRider list, a police officer (off duty, on his personal bike) was harassed by young toughs. They diced for several miles through traffic. The officer caught the toughs when they stopped on an exit ramp. He wiped the smile off their faces with his 9mm, and arrested the driver. The driver, of a different skin color than the officer, claimed abuse, harassment, etc, etc. A year later the officer was in court with his career and assets on the line. Vindicated, but still he had to pay attorney's fees, etc. In these days of escalating violence and gunplay on the streets, with cell phones in so many cars, with video cameras on so many street corners, it just seems that violent retaliation is fraught with peril itself. Now, what if YOU had the video camera, running a 10-minute loop and looking forward. You get photographic evidence of a driver deliberately endangering you on the road. Boy would that be fun to play on the evening news! "Aggressive car driver attacks innocent cyclist ... more news later, film at 11!" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:12:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27566; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22629; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00525; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.6/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id QAA12423 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708062011.QAA12423@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: party In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Aug 1997 15:48:00 EDT." <19970806200057.AAB18437@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 16:11:25 -0400 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" With all the beer talk, someone should probably discuss transportation arrangements for those that have been drinking... just my $.02 -matthew I think I heard "Todd B Peer" say: > >FYI, I checked the prices yesterday @ total beverage. "Dominion Ale" >is over $100 for a 15 gallon keg =:0 > >So, hell yes, chipping in it shall be. I make beer and could be persuaded >to pitch in a couple of (5-gallon) kegs for a little gratis. > Todd > >>OK, so are we all going to chip in the money for a "good" keg? >> >>Glenn Dysart >>DysarGB@XXXXXX >> >>84 V30 Magna >> >> >>> >>>>Another XX chiming in. Parties are good. Dark beer at parties is better. >>>>*Good* dark beer at parties is excellent. So are shooters - of the >>>>alcoholic type, that is. >>> ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:15:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27657; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22785; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00788; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (squeaks@XXXXXX [207.172.110.233]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18350; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970806161753.0e579d02@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jordan, Michael" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Squeakers Subject: RE: Rookie MCP Cop At 06:49 AM 8/6/97 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>ok..I get to be a stickler again.. ;-) >>there's no such thing as a clip in a pistol...it's called a >>MAGAZINE...a clip is an external, removable casing for >automatic/semiautomatic >>rifles... > >Glad you said that, Aki - this way I don't have to... > >Referring to a magazine as a clip is right up there with ATM Machine and >PIN Number - sets my teeth on edge! > > Shit. Ok. CLIP! CLIP! It's a damn CLIP!! I dont CARE what you wanna call it. It CLIPS in, so its a CLIP! Squeakers-mumbling "clip THIS, babe" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:17:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27694; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22827; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00845; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from periplum.cdinet.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23152; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.77.80.68] ([198.77.80.68]) by periplum.cdinet.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA08424 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kim Bieler Subject: unsubscribe Sorry if this isn't directed to the correct address. I don't have the sysadmin address. _________________________________________________ * * * Kim Bieler * * * Communications Development Incorporated http://www.cdinet.com FZR 600 '90 * From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:24:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27850; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23187; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01353; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA13970; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970806162357_919169257@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: wweiss@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carburetors Dripping Gas W- Your needle valve is stuck, or your floats are bad. Are you up to disassembling the carbs? Not too tough, really, if you know which end of a screwdriver to use. My ex-girlfriend has done a few carbs. Not that I'd suggest most women don't know which end of the screwdriver is which! Take them apart, clean the needle and seat, make sure the floats will float (if bad, they sink), put them back together. See if this fixes it. If not, you'll probably have to buy needles and seats. Such a small part, such a big pricetag. Probably $50 for all 4. I can get more specific if you want. Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:28:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27940; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23303; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01533; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03560; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA05522 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:27:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199708062027.AA05522@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:27:58 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:27:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:26:05 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Stress Out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970806161350.009a1890@204.194.180.21> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11SRL300003l2 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > >I was just about to get out of the car when, the rider calmly picked > >himself up, walked over to his bike and pulled out a > >foot long metal pipe out of his saddlebag and calmly walked over to the > >car and commenced to total every window, fender and hood on the car > >much to the amazement and terror of the occupants. Then he just > >as calmly walked over to his bike, righted it, looked it over and > >drove away.... > > These are great stories ... but I feel obliged to be a wet blanket. Just > factor in one more factor -- a gun. Rowdy teenagers harass a biker, biker > retaliates, teenager pulls gun ... ...actually when I saw the biker reach into his saddlebag, I thought HE was going to pull the gun...besides, this "gentleman" (and I use the term loosely), looked like the type that would of BEGGED for those snot nosed brats to pull a gun..guy look pretty rough...think he even work colors....definately didn't look like the type you'd want to piss off...6'4" 250lbs...you get the idea... > > On the LDRider list, a police officer (off duty, on his personal bike) was > harassed by young toughs. They diced for several miles through traffic. > The officer caught the toughs when they stopped on an exit ramp. He wiped > the smile off their faces with his 9mm, and arrested the driver. The > driver, of a different skin color than the officer, claimed abuse, > harassment, etc, etc. A year later the officer was in court with his > career and assets on the line. Vindicated, but still he had to pay > attorney's fees, etc. ...not suprised in this Politically Correct world....8-P > > In these days of escalating violence and gunplay on the streets, with cell > phones in so many cars, with video cameras on so many street corners, it > just seems that violent retaliation is fraught with peril itself. ...very true... > > Now, what if YOU had the video camera, running a 10-minute loop and looking > forward. You get photographic evidence of a driver deliberately > endangering you on the road. Boy would that be fun to play on the evening > news! "Aggressive car driver attacks innocent cyclist ... more news later, > film at 11!. ...or "Innocent Upstanding Biker Viciously Attacked by Long Haired, Drug Crazed Cager!!!!!...details at 11" -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:39:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28129; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23745; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02218; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA11950 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:39:23 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:39:23 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:36:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT, 35 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >This is NOT intended to be a head count (duck.. duck.. >duck.. goose?!?), ok, well.. yes it is. One begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A,4`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````,48U0C)$ M134S-S!%1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`* 0````(! M<0`!````%@````&\HJAZL.4M6R .-Q'1D?0``/8[R]8```,`!A#JP>3L`P`' M$$8````>``@0`0```$<```!42$E325-.3U1)3E1%3D1%1%1/0D5!2$5!1$-/ M54Y4*$150TM$54-+1%5#2T=/3U-%/S\I+$]++%=%3$Q915-)5$E33TY%```# M`! 0`0````,`$1 ``````@$)$ $```#K````YP```$\!``!,6D9U:SNB0P,` M"@!R8W!G,3(U=C(`] 'W( *D`^,"`&.": K "" &``````# ````````1@`````8A0```````!X`"( ( M( 8``````, ```````!&`````#:%```!`````0`````````>``F "" &```` M``# ````````1@`````WA0```0````$`````````'@`*@ @@!@``````P `` M`````$8`````.(4```$````!``````````,`)@```````P`V```````"`?D_ M`0```!X`````````W*= R,!"$!JTN0@`*R_A@@$`````````+@```!X`^#\! M````%0```%-Y To: "Warren W. Weiss" cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Carburetors Dripping Gas In-Reply-To: <33E88231.B7D552B5@digex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Warren W. Weiss wrote: > What can cause carbs to overflow? Too much gas. (Sorry--I'll get serious now.) Ok, (1) Don't use the "prime" position (as I suspect you are) except to fill empty carbs. (2) Re gas in crankcase, is "oil" level too high? Does it pass the sniff test for gasoline? (There are more reliable tests, e.g., flash point and paper/cloth wicking rate.) If gas is in crank, change oil. (3) If three carbs are leaking, there is a systemic problem, most likely rust in carbs/tank. Drain each carb (drain screw on bottom or side of float bowl) onto a clean white cotton rag. Gas will soak in, water ball up, and rust be obvious. Refill carbs ("Prime"), see if they still leak. Take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning. --garcia "Do you like Kipling?" "I don't know---I've never kippled." > > Three of the four carbs on my '91 Zephyr 750 have sprung a leak and it seems > like the leak is getting progressively worse. I noticed a faint smell of gas > yesterday when I fired it up, but this morning the odor was *much* stronger > and 3 of the carbs show gas leaking out of what appears to be overflow drains. > > There is no "off" position on the petcock, only "on," "reserve," and "prime." > > I'm afraid some gas has leaked into the crankcase, too. > > -- WWW > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 18:02:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29384; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26832; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06359; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000209.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.221]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA18988 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:01:22 -0400 Message-ID: <33E8F463.D40F11D3@digex.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 18:02:18 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carburetors Dripping Gas X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <970806162357_919169257@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KLThomas77@XXXXXX wrote: > ...Are you up to disassembling the carbs? My problem is a lack of time. I've disassembled carbs before, but never replaced components other than jets. I disassemble the carbs on my GS700 one time to soak them in carb cleaner. What a major hemhorroid! They came out pretty easily, but I had to unbolt the front engine mounts and swivel the engine about an inch to get them back in. And the airbox?? Forget it! I swear they welded the frame around it. -- WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 19:03:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29957; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27369; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from medlantic.mhg.edu by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22726; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu id AC10248 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:00:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199708062300.AC10248@medlantic.mhg.edu> Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:00:41 -0400 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Party Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 18:53:00 EST Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I'd be interested in the party but before we buy the beer and pick a place, how about firming up a date...then I can tell ya fer' sure. BTW: Don't count me for beer, I won't have more than one... if that. Bill (Moses) McLoone '82 Suzuki GS-450TXz (SOLD) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (SOLD) Silver Spring, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (Blizzard) 1-800-AMA-JOIN Blue Knights-MD I "Ride with Pride" "Ride No Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." - Kathryn Voth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 19:15:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00040; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27538; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00625; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from etpswuxg (ip19.washington12.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.81.19]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA16722 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708062315.TAA16722@brickbat8.mindspring.com> From: "John Whiteside" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:11:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 -----Original Message----- From: Todd B Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: party Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit fag bath imagery didn't put me off. -------------------------------- I think all you guys who are getting so unnerved by the idea of a hot tub with men in it so unnerving are a little insecure about something. Not so sure of yourselves, perhaps? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 19:40:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00201; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27703; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01450; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id TAA05995 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:38:59 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005977; Wed, 6 Aug 97 19:38:31 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id TAA02768 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA870910634; Wed, 06 Aug 97 19:37:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9708068709.AA870910634@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 19:36:47 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Party count... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At this time, we have, more or less, 20 people that would like to attend.. most depending on dates, and other comitments. Including myself, there were 3 people who vocalized interest in a donation for beer. Most were of the opinion that 'If I ride to the party, I not going to drink.' I love the attitude, but that's what couches, floors and tents are for (maybe it's cause I'm so fresh out of college.. who knows). We need to settle on a date though. Obviously not a race weekend, or TN-Star (those seem to have been main objections). This seriously looks like something I've come to dub as a 'Montana Party' (where I'm from). Lots of guys, and a few fems... mostly dating/married to one of the guys. Drinks, burned pizza and motorcycle flicks on the toob (speaking of, I have Performance Bike's Video Nasty.. lots of high speed antics, wheelies, burn-outs, stoppies.. etc). Fun in it's own right... Anyway... I guess I ought to do some work.. I've been e-mailing all day (as usual.. I love these mostly over-looked cubes.. ) Ride safe..... Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 19:46:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00266; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27735; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01548; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25062; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA26223 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:45:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vie-va7-15.ix.netcom.com(199.183.208.47) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026193; Wed Aug 6 18:45:34 1997 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:46:39 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (David & Michele DeJong Kaiser) Subject: Party Kids? Developing fetuses? Anywhere from 2-4 depending on the variables above. (If you don't wamt kids just say so above. I don't have a problem with bringing mine or not, but please be explicit about your opinion.) BTW - Total lurker here, been in VA since December, just bought a '95 Kawasaki Concours 3 weeks ago. I'm a computer geek for the Air Force. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 20:17:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00856; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28065; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03032; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA08597 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:16:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vie-va14-26.ix.netcom.com(204.32.176.90) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma008516; Wed Aug 6 19:16:15 1997 Message-ID: <33E93E37.1031@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 20:17:11 -0700 Organization: NETCOM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: party References: <199708062315.TAA16722@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John: I thought the "fag" reference was a bit of overkill, and unnecessarily pejorative too. John Whiteside wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd B Peer > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: Re[2]: party > > Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit > fag bath imagery didn't put me off. > -------------------------------- > > I think all you guys who are getting so unnerved by the idea of a hot tub > with men in it so unnerving are a little insecure about something. Not so > sure of yourselves, perhaps? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 20:32:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00943; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28172; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03497; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as60s47.erols.com [207.172.50.174]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA27005 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970806203052.00734f14@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 20:30:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: ME ME ME!! (PARTY TOO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Count me in for the party (Can I bring my MAK-90 to the cat shoot???! Or for that matter, any of the 7 other firearms lurking in our home?) Assuming I can pawn the munchkin off for the evening my wife will attend (I rarely drink, but she can drink more te-kill-ya than most). I also know of at least one young single female friend (she's even cute) who'd probably be interested in coming (all I have to do is mention men, beer, and bikes...not necessarily in that order) and maybe one or two others, just depends. For David & Michelle, wlecome to the list (I'm a Coastie, but spent a good amount of time working on an AF Base) See Ya'll CT _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 20:37:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01012; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28208; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03785; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09078; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (dialup2.illuminet.net [205.215.55.2]) by server2.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07965 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:13:10 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970806203823.00685ca4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 20:38:23 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Long rides... >If doing a ride like >this doesn't sound exciting enough I'm willing to wait until January and >head north. :) I'll be attending the Crotona Midnight Run in Yonkers, NY in February. Ride up on Friday night or Saturday, ride all night Saturday night, come home on Sunday. It's a short ride, 300 to New York, 2 60 mile rally sections and 300 back. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 21:06:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01274; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28397; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04883; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08081 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:06:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199708070106.VAA08081@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Midnight Madness @ MIR Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:05:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone interested in going to MIR this Friday night on the bikes? Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 21:20:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01367; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28483; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05295; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA13780 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970806211731_1018398891@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: KLThomas77@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: party I'll be happy to attend, in all my femaleness, and I'll even bring some chicky-type, wantin'-to-get-in-the-bitch-seat friends... but you *must* hold the party before I flee to AZ - the 16th of this month. Who wants to wait until next month, anyway? Sharon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 22:15:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01740; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29240; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07046; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06626; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from explorer.clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA21577; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id WAA23683; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708070215.WAA23683@explorer.clark.net> To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Out From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 16:17:15 1997 From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Stress Out These are great stories ... but I feel obliged to be a wet blanket. Just factor in one more factor -- a gun. Rowdy teenagers harass a biker, biker retaliates, teenager pulls gun ... Biker shoves metal rod into teenager's vocal cords... On the LDRider list, a police officer (off duty, on his personal bike) was harassed by young toughs. They diced for several miles through traffic. The officer caught the toughs when they stopped on an exit ramp. He wiped the smile off their faces with his 9mm, and arrested the driver. The driver, of a different skin color than the officer, claimed abuse, harassment, etc, etc. A year later the officer was in court with his career and assets on the line. Vindicated, but still he had to pay attorney's fees, etc. This makes me truly ill. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 22:19:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01763; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29262; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07102; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from explorer.clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA23047; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id WAA24938; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708070219.WAA24938@explorer.clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Party From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Party I'd be interested in the party but before we buy the beer and pick a place, how about firming up a date...then I can tell ya fer' sure. BTW: Don't count me for beer, I won't have more than one... if Ditto. One beer. One hour+. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 22:21:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01776; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29306; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07342; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (crosen@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA08607 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (crosen@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24519 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:21:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Rosen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Party time Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Though my comments are few and far between, if the time is right, I can always enjoy a party . Can bring some beer, food, etc. as long as I am not on call at the hospital. regards, Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD ------------------------------------------------------------------ Department of Neurosurgery | 4940 Ashby Street, NW George Washington University | Washington, DC 20007 ACC Bldg, 7th Floor | (202) 337-0745 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue | crosen@XXXXXX Washington DC, 20037 | Pager: (202) 994-3321 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 22:23:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01787; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29345; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07362; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from explorer.clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA24410; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id WAA27839; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708070223.WAA27839@explorer.clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, whiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: party From: "John Whiteside" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: party Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:11:10 -0400 Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit fag bath imagery didn't put me off. -------------------------------- I think all you guys who are getting so unnerved by the idea of a hot tub with men in it so unnerving are a little insecure about something. Not so sure of yourselves, perhaps? Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers (presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd take the supermodels in a heartbeat! ... well assuming their bikes are cool... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 22:26:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01796; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29410; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07410; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24557; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranone (spg-as85s55.erols.com [207.172.53.55]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA25957 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:26:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970807023117.0067284c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ranone@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 22:31:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Nick & Wendy Ranone Subject: Re: Party David, Do you work at the Pentagon? I rode in behind a guy on a Concours today. I ride a Ninja 250 Nick Ranone Oh yeah, I would like to come to the party. At 07:46 PM 8/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >Kids? Developing fetuses? > >Anywhere from 2-4 depending on the variables above. (If you don't wamt kids >just say so above. I don't have a problem with bringing mine or not, but >please be explicit about your opinion.) > >BTW - Total lurker here, been in VA since December, just bought a '95 >Kawasaki Concours 3 weeks ago. > >I'm a computer geek for the Air Force. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 22:30:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01823; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29502; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07702; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.6/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id WAA15663 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708070229.WAA15663@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: party In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Aug 1997 22:23:17 EDT." <199708070223.WAA27839@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 22:29:26 -0400 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard Dark Hacker say: >Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers >(presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub >full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd >take the supermodels in a heartbeat! Given that choice, I'd choose option 3: get in my own hottub.. alone. :) I'm probably in the minority here tho.... ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 6 22:58:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02031; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29721; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08483; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id WAA11539 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:56:08 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma011504; Wed, 6 Aug 97 22:55:46 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id WAA04181; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA870922470; Wed, 06 Aug 97 22:54:32 -0500 Message-Id: <9708068709.AA870922470@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 22:54:31 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[4]: party MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not at all Matthew... not at all... (I've done the hot tub full of sportbikers (all male), I've done the hot tub full of fems (not supermodles, but cute), and I've even done the hot-tup full of beer with co-ed naked people... don't ask about that one though... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: party Author: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" at smtplink-micros Date: 8/6/97 10:29 PM I think I heard Dark Hacker say: >Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers >(presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub >full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd >take the supermodels in a heartbeat! Given that choice, I'd choose option 3: get in my own hottub.. alone. :) I'm probably in the minority here tho.... ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 06:44:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05386; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03393; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16695; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA2FD.5AEB31C0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:44:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: party Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:44:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT >>FYI, I checked the prices yesterday @ total beverage. "Dominion Ale" >>is over $100 for a 15 gallon keg =:0 > >>So, hell yes, chipping in it shall be. I make beer and could be persuaded >to pitch in a couple of (5-gallon) kegs for a little gratis Of course Total is expensive. You can get any Dominion Keg at their brewery in Ashburn for $88. If you want it even cheaper I know a place downtown this is dirt cheap. The only problem with this place is you might want to bring your gun. Apparently the shopping center its in gets robbed so often they only allow head-in parking. I'd be willing to help pick it up. >Who suggested dark beer? yecch! If I wanted something bitter, >I'd bring the mother-in-law. There's a reason >those 'light' beers are so popular - in a word, taste Dark beer doesn't always mean bitter. Taste for lighter beers=water (AKA no taste). Onto bikes, does anyone on the list ride down to Old Town Alexandria on Wednesday nights? I was there last night and there were about 25-30 bikes Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 07:02:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05456; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03520; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access4.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17278; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from king@localhost) by access4.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA04530; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:01:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob and Val King Message-Id: <199708071101.HAA04530@access4.digex.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: beemer Cc: king@XXXXXX On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 FakeTree@XXXXXX wrote: > any other beamers out there? just purchased a 97 r850r. > jb haller > faketree@XXXXXX Glad to see a new Beemer rider. I would like to direct your attention to http://www.bmwbmw.org, which is the homepage for the BMW Bikers of Metropolitan Washington, the largest regional BMW motorcycle club in North America. BMWBMW has activities most every weekend of the year, either a club meeting, a breakfast ride, or some special event. Come check us out. I ride a 1984 R65 with about 68000 miles (23K mine) that I purchased a couple of years ago. I joined the local club shortly after that, to find some friends to ride with. I've made some good friends and had fun with this club. Bob King 1984 R65 Fenris (mine) 1982 KZ440 Hulda (hers) 1997 Vice-President BMW Bikers of Metro. Washington EMail: king@XXXXXX Bowie, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 07:13:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05505; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03604; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17596; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA301.529766C0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:12:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Party Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:12:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT >>Kids? Developing fetuses? > >>Anywhere from 2-4 depending on the variables above. (If you don't wamt kids >>just say so above. I don't have a problem with bringing mine or not, but >>please be explicit about your opinion.) I'd like to keep this an adult party if at all possible. That way no one has to watch their mouth, be quiet, etc. Leave the kids with a sitter and lets have fun! >David, >Do you work at the Pentagon? I rode in behind a guy on a Concours today. I >ride a Ninja 250 >Nick Ranone Nick, Don't know about David but I work at the Puzzle Palace, do you? Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 09:01:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06470; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04300; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21110; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3e9c4d40; Thu, 7 Aug 97 08:51:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3e9c4d40@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Party To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >>David, >Do you work at the Pentagon? I rode in behind a guy on a Concours today. I >ride a Ninja 250 >Nick Ranone This David works at the Army Research Laboratory in Adelphi, Md. I also live in Adelphi, across the street from the National Archives II. I would be glad to have a party, starting in the afternoon, for listers and their guests. I do not have a hot tub, or a skeet range. I do have a big side yard (shaded) and a house with a deck and some roomy areas. It sounds like a keg may not get consumed, so perhaps we can all bring whatevers. I have a BIG kitchen, so food can be heated or killed or whatever there. If everyone wants to come by on the 13th fine, I will need to confirm all this with you. There are some caveats: Nobody leaves the party unfit to operate a motor vehicle, unless they have a ride. This is an absolute necessity, BTW I have administered roadside sobriety tests before.:) I get some help cleaning up. I would like an afternoon party so as to be outside, and also give people time to sober up, albeit the reason for this is to meet some names etc and not become blind stinking drunk. I have no problem with kids being here, or babies as long as they are supervised. We do not possess any, so the house isn't kid proofed. Hopefully I get a fairly accurate headcount so I can get plates and cups and other blather. I would like to wrap up before it gets really late. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 09:19:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06741; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04393; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21728; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01913 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA12772 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA12983 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:18:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970807131833.AAA12983@localHost> Well, I'm back from lunch and am happy to report that Akis explicit fag bath imagery didn't put me off. -------------------------------- I think all you guys who are getting so unnerved by the idea of a hot tub with men in it so unnerving are a little insecure about something. Not so sure of yourselves, perhaps? ---------------------------- tongue in cheek John. and if your NOT joking, i'd appreciate you keep your worried psycho-analysis to yourself. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 09:23:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06859; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04442; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sgi.sgi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21829; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beyond.clubfed.sgi.com ([169.238.1.129]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id GAA05926 for <@external-mail-relay.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:22:53 -0700 env-from (skip@XXXXXX) Received: from shadow.clubfed.sgi.com by beyond.clubfed.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/911001.SGI) for <@beyond.clubfed.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX> id JAA05543; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:22:48 -0400 Received: (from skip@localhost) by shadow.clubfed.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA02938 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:22:46 -0400 From: "skip farmer" Message-Id: <9708070922.ZM2936@shadow.clubfed.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:22:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dave_Choat@emh3.arl.mil (Dave Choat) "Re[2]: Party" (Aug 7, 9:04am) References: <3e9c4d40@emh3.arl.mil> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Count me in....I came in kinda late on this thread so I am not sure of all the specifics...where, when kinda stuff. Skip '87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 09:34:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06994; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04619; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22211; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09958; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA03412; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:33:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708071333.IAA03412@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vie-va12-27.ix.netcom.com(199.183.208.219) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003346; Thu Aug 7 08:33:12 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:32:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Stress Out Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) > On the LDRider list, a police officer (off duty, on his > personal bike) was harassed by young toughs. They diced for > several miles through traffic. The officer caught the toughs > when they stopped on an exit ramp. He wiped the smile off > their faces with his 9mm, and arrested the driver. The driver, > of a different skin color than the officer, claimed abuse, > harassment, etc, etc. A year later the officer was in court > with his career and assets on the line. Vindicated, but still > he had to pay attorney's fees, etc. Chris, As I recall, that isn't exactly the way it worked. it was his mental anguish and reputation, yes, but he was on official leave from the police department and defended by the State--the Assistant D.A. defended him. In addition, the State of NY was the one that would have paid any judgement. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 11:10:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08141; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07858; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alumni.umbc.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26296; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pverst1@localhost) by alumni.umbc.edu (8.8.5/Alumni) id LAA09113 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: The Flying Dutchman Message-Id: <199708071511.LAA09113@alumni.umbc.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: party Dark Hacker said: * * Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers * (presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub * full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd * take the supermodels in a heartbeat! * * ... well assuming their bikes are cool... * C'mon, that's the easy way out. *Any* pointer'd choose the models. Have some balls and jump in the tub with the sasquatches. Jeez, you're just like everyone else. :) L8r, P8r. '80 CB650C pverst1@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 11:13:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08168; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08040; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alumni.umbc.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26640; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pverst1@localhost) by alumni.umbc.edu (8.8.5/Alumni) id LAA09151 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: The Flying Dutchman Message-Id: <199708071515.LAA09151@alumni.umbc.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: EX250 (was Re: party) Nick & Wendy Ranone , you said: * * I ride a Ninja 250 * Nick Ranone * Sorry if I've asked this before, but I can't keep track of all the folx I interrogate. How do you like your EX250? I test-rode one at Heyser a month ago, while I was getting new Metz's (33/99) on Rainman, my 80 CB650C. Loved it. For little sprints between Columbia and Gaithersburg, and to rode around (no *to*!) Deep Creek Lake, I think it'd be a blast. How long have you had yours, and what kinds of probelms, etc, have you faced? aTdHvAaNnKcSe L8r, P8r. '80 CB650C pverst1@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 12:15:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09250; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10033; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00651; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Trix099@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA12365 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970807121318_685516525@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NHTSA The Anne Arundel Chapter of ABATE Maryland is asking for your help to fight back against a Federal Agency that is meddling in your legislature. Please visit the Biker's Rights - Let Your Voice Be Heard section at www.bikerheaven.com and participate in this cause. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 13:33:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10625; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11007; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04868; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA20345 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA05376 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA14294 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:32:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Polly's X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970807173234.AAA14294@localHost> Anyone been there? It's been awhile since I've picked up a Washington City Paper. Just thumbing through I see this add for Polly's on U St. NW. It appears to be motorcyclist friendly. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 13:56:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10902; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11605; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05860; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s48.erols.com [207.172.110.111]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20962 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:55:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:55:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970807135818.2d77ec58@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Re[2]: party >* Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old bikers >* (presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a hottub >* full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a beachball, I'd >* take the supermodels in a heartbeat! >* > Well, if the rest of you arent gonna be usin the grizzled old bikers, can I have em for a while?(specially the ones with all the tattoos) Ill take good care of my pets, and when Im all done with them, I PROMISE Ill give em back. Ill give them fresh clean water in their bowls, lots of Kibble and I'll make sure to keep them tightly chained up in the back yard (to keep the neighborhood bitches safe). Ill even pooper scoop after em. You know, to keep the stench down on hot days. Please? I AM a responsible pet owner! wait... am I thinkin men, or dogs.. hmmm.. Lets see.... Keep em both watered, fed, clean up after em, keep em from tryin to do nasties on wimmins legs... YUP! SAME thing!!! No confusion here! Squeakers-glad her ol'man aint a subscriber to this list :) I was JOKIN hun! I SWEAR I was!!! *I* didnt even WRITE this! Someone ELSE did and forged my name! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 14:24:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11350; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12538; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07257; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acshub01.cancer.org by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03049; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by acshub01.cancer.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 852564EC.00652626 ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:24:49 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CANCER From: "John Giglio" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852564EC.006287D1.00@acshub01.cancer.org> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:57:48 -0400 Subject: DC Cycles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: John Giglio on 08/07/97 01:57 PM Hi. Saw a mention of you on the web. I live in DC. Ride a Hawk 650. What kind of bikes and riders do you normally attract for a group ride? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 14:30:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11592; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12623; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07813; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goddardj ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id OAA09656 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33EA13CC.4F64CEC6@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:28:28 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: party X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <1.5.4.16.19970807135818.2d77ec58@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you pet sit?? Oh yeah count me in for 3 at the party. Jay Goddard 94 Kawasaki ZX9R (faster than any damded Hardly Ableson) 92 VFR broken 96 Boxer puppy (jagermister) Squeakers wrote: > >* Given the choice between a hottub full of fat hairy grizzled old > bikers > >* (presumably with tatoos, piercings and a few eye patches)... and a > hottub > >* full of gorgeous supermodels, frollicing playfully with a > beachball, I'd > >* take the supermodels in a heartbeat! > >* > > > > Well, if the rest of you arent gonna be usin the grizzled old > bikers, can > I have em for a while?(specially the ones with all the tattoos) Ill > take > good care of my pets, and when Im all done with them, I PROMISE Ill > give em > back. Ill give them fresh clean water in their bowls, lots of Kibble > and > I'll make sure to keep them tightly chained up in the back yard (to > keep the > neighborhood bitches safe). Ill even pooper scoop after em. You know, > to > keep the stench down on hot days. Please? I AM a responsible pet > owner! > > wait... am I thinkin men, or dogs.. hmmm.. Lets see.... Keep em both > > watered, fed, clean up after em, keep em from tryin to do nasties on > wimmins > legs... YUP! SAME thing!!! No confusion here! > > Squeakers-glad her ol'man aint a subscriber to this list :) > > I was JOKIN hun! I SWEAR I was!!! *I* didnt even WRITE this! Someone > ELSE > did and forged my name! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 15:04:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12598; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13164; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10197; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000206.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.218]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA20786; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:03:06 -0400 Message-ID: <33EA1C1D.4C96318B@digex.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 15:03:58 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Long rides... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > Later this year I'd like to do one of the IBA's qualification rides. > ...Anyone else have an interest? Yes. As a matter of fact, a riding buddy of mine and I were planning on doing the 1000 this year. Originally, we planned on May, but he changed jobs and plans fell through. We're looking at this September or so. We have a southerly route mapped out - I-81 to I-77 to I-40 to I-95 I believe is the general route. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 15:36:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13443; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14693; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12472; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA02448 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:35:47 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:35:47 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Long rides... Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:33:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 34 TEXT, 56 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >We have a southerly route mapped out - I-81 to I-77 to I-40 to I-95 I believe >is the general route. I did the same basic ride in the other direction last June ('96) in the other direction (clockwise - wanted to keep the rising and setting suns at my back instead of my face). Took about 19 hours (out at 5AM, back at midnight) with a bit over an hour spent on I-40 at the western end of NC (road stopped down to 1 lane for maintenance with a 19 mile backup). Since I was extermely well prepared (left every map and trip sheet in my office) I didn't notice a nice side route from Asheville NC to Newport TN that would have avoided the pileup nicely (and got me home by 11PM). Overall - nice ride - somewhat boring (LOTS of helmet singing) and drove home the point that Mike Corbin makes a very fine product - couldn't have done it on the stock seat. Overall, it's a good route, my start and stop points were Sterling, VA for a certified total of 1,039 miles with corners at Petersburg VA, Raleigh NC, Newport TN and Winchester VA. On a non record attempt, I'm planning to ride up to Gorham ME on the 26th of this month to watch the '97 IB riders hit the closest checkpoint to here. Michael Jordan '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100GP AMA IBA etc. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@$3`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````.4%&.#1" M-S1&-#!%1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`,P4" H)SDV M*9,B3R-5*&,)`&-K`_%[%N 9('<`!P'>,%$ "0%0`70&YO M&, 0<2-P*'%S)" $(&%]!4!M%_ AH"9P)+$CX&4J81C!9BG29@#092EQ'P!4 M;V\J0 &@&.(Q;CD6\ AA!" 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I rode in behind a guy on a Concours today. I >ride a Ninja 250 >Nick Ranone > >Oh yeah, I would like to come to the party. > >At 07:46 PM 8/6/97 -0700, you wrote: Yes I do. The bike is burgundy, without bags at the moment... small problem with a wet wooden bridge and a 5mph low side. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 17:32:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15455; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17512; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17987; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (jteitel@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA14327; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:32:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Teitel To: Todd B Peer cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Polly's In-Reply-To: <19970807173234.AAA14294@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > Subject: Polly's > > Anyone been there? It's been awhile since I've picked up a Washington > City Paper. Just thumbing through I see this add for Polly's on U > St. NW. It appears to be motorcyclist friendly. I go there fairly regularly (it's 1 1/2 blocks from my apt.) Cool place, good food, great people. It is m.c. friendly. The owners, Derek and Cici support Army of Darkness racing team. Derek rides a Duc which is often parked out front. Jeff ============================================================================ Keep the Rubber Side Down jteitel@XXXXXX '92 Seca II DoD#1365 Finger me for PGP key. "Out of the ethernet, through the switch, down the fiber, across the router, past the firewall, over the T-1... nothing but 'Net." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 20:26:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17815; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20736; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25180; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from etpswuxg (ip104.washington12.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.81.104]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA26068; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708080025.UAA26068@brickbat8.mindspring.com> From: "John Whiteside" To: "Todd B Peer" , Subject: Re: Re[2]: party Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:08:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Todd Peer wrote: tongue in cheek John. and if your NOT joking, i'd appreciate you keep your worried psycho-analysis to yourself. ----------------------- Well, I'm glad it was tongue in cheek. But I have a major problem with people going on about "fags".... just like I do with people who talks about "niggers," "kikes," and so forth. So why don't you keep that stuff to yourself? I'm sure you're a perfectly nice guy who didn't mean to be really offensive, which is why I'm bothering to say anything. I hope you'll take this in the spirit intended. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 20:26:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17816; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20738; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25182; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from etpswuxg (ip104.washington12.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.81.104]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA26078; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708080025.UAA26078@brickbat8.mindspring.com> From: "John Whiteside" To: "Todd B Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Polly's Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:09:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Yup, been there. Polly's is a cool place. Great jukebox, inexpensive food, pitchers of beer... a relief from some of the hyper-trendy spots that have popped up on the "New U." -----Original Message----- From: Todd B Peer To: dc-cycles Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 1:50 PM Subject: Polly's Anyone been there? It's been awhile since I've picked up a Washington City Paper. Just thumbing through I see this add for Polly's on U St. NW. It appears to be motorcyclist friendly. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 20:26:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17814; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20752; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25199; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frosty.13x.com (1Cust37.max7.bridgewater.mi.ms.uu.net [153.36.114.37]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19703 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33EA6A34.5C51@13x.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 20:37:08 -0400 From: Stephen Reply-To: frosty@XXXXXX Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Polly's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TO: Anyone Going to Polly's (inluding Jeff) Please say "Hi" to Cici from Stephen Dobson. Cici and I pitted for the AOD at Grattan. She's really enthusiastic, and a generally great person. I'm sure she'll remember, I was the one wearing black. Hmmm. Actually I think we just might have all been wearing black. And perhaps Tim, or was it Mark, painted the whole damn bike black. Oh well, maybe mention the hair? http://www.13x.com/aod Stephen Jeffrey Teitel wrote. > On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > > > Subject: Polly's > > > > Anyone been there? It's been awhile since I've picked up a Washington > > City Paper. Just thumbing through I see this add for Polly's on U > > St. NW. It appears to be motorcyclist friendly. > > I go there fairly regularly (it's 1 1/2 blocks from my apt.) Cool place, > good food, great people. It is m.c. friendly. The owners, Derek and Cici > support Army of Darkness racing team. Derek rides a Duc which is often > parked out front. > > Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 7 22:16:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18813; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21279; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29364; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id WAA22476 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:13:50 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022466; Thu, 7 Aug 97 22:13:37 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id WAA23220 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA871006346; Thu, 07 Aug 97 22:12:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9708078710.AA871006346@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 22:11:50 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Party count MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wooo-hoo... Unofficial, rough around the edges head count reveals roughly 35 people (on the list, or related to someone on the list) who would like to show. Count 10 of those out if the date is bad, or they find themselves submersed in 'evil overlord' duties. So, either way (did I offer 2 ways.. why, by-golly. I guess I did!).. we're going to have a good number of people showing up.. somewhere... sometime. Anyway.. I'm neglecting work.. again, guess I ought to do some of that stuff.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 8 02:04:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20637; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23782; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04684; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kamehameha (zz0072.staff.digex.net [204.192.83.72]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28272 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33EAB699.78FB4615@digex.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 02:03:05 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Test - please ignore X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Test please ignore From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 8 09:01:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23261; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27577; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcgw1.att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12941; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com by kcig1.att.att.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) id HAA06846; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:51:52 -0500 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA18719 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:00:19 -0400 Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA3D9.BA14B040@XXXXXX>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:01:58 -0400 Message-Id: Original-From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'suzuki-l@XXXXXX'" , "'bandit-talk@XXXXXX'" Subject: NHTSA Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:01:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all: This is rather important even if you do not currently own or ride a motorcycle. The U.S. government is spending *your* tax dollars to wage a political campaign. This highly unethical at best. Please visit the web site listed below for all the details. Thanks. --John Carver ---------- From: aol.com!Trix099[SMTP:aol.com!Trix099] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 1997 12:14 PM To: cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles Subject: NHTSA The Anne Arundel Chapter of ABATE Maryland is asking for your help to fight back against a Federal Agency that is meddling in your legislature. Please visit the Biker's Rights - Let Your Voice Be Heard section at www.bikerheaven.com and participate in this cause. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 8 16:35:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00023; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11966; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05482; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by mail1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02164 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33EBAD6A.2F4A@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 16:36:10 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Moto List Subject: RF200 Part Needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all I need a "click adjustment collar" for a Shoei RF200 helmet. Anybody got one they're not using? TIA John Kozyn http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 8 19:24:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04412; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13968; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16522; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA21912; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:23:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-28.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.92) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma021827; Fri Aug 8 18:23:07 1997 Message-ID: <33EBD4F0.D4F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 19:24:48 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sportster Mailing List CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: York Open House Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Struck out so far finding rooms in York for the open house, Checked with three chains and they are booked up, looks like I may be riding up and back Thursday and Friday. If anybody heres of a place with vacancies let me know. Otherwise I guess, I will hope to meet and ride on up with ya. still dont have anything but vague info on the party they throw in York Friday evening. Not sure yet whos playing... HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 8 21:01:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04913; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14786; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19656; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from etpswuxg (ip22.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.22]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27509; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970808192538.00698e38@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: whiteside@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 19:25:38 -0400 To: jcarver@XXXXXX, "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: NHTSA In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:01 AM 8/8/97 -0400, jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > To all: >This is rather important even if you do not currently own or ride a >motorcycle. The U.S. government is spending *your* tax dollars to >wage a political campaign. This highly unethical at best. Please >visit the web site listed below for all the details. Thanks. > >--John Carver > A quick summary of these things would be handy for those of us who read our mail off-line and can't just click over to the web site (and will probably forget to look next time we log on without something to make it stick in our minds). thx * * * John Whiteside Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 8 23:05:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05551; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15179; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23851; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA14857; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970808230346_-1137687598@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: mwhalen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: party Thanks, Matthew. Being the "old lady" that I am, I don't like to ride with (or near) people who have been drinking. Don't think it's a smart combination. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 9 09:48:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09134; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18616; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08947; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranone (spg-tnt-fe-1s139.erols.com [207.172.95.139]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17516 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970809135327.006769ac@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ranone@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 09:53:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Nick & Wendy Ranone Subject: Help, I need directions I won a pair of tickets to see the Kinston Indians. They play at Pfitzer stadium. Does anyone know where that is? Nick Ranone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 9 14:56:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10687; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19810; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01067; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA25725 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:53:40 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma025722; Sat, 9 Aug 97 14:53:20 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA15040 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA871152743; Sat, 09 Aug 97 14:52:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9708098711.AA871152743@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 14:51:04 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Argh.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was removed/deleted from the list.. this is a first for me with this list. What happened Mr. List man? What'd I miss anyway guys? Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 9 15:27:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10833; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19966; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00629; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA26557 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:25:41 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma026540; Sat, 9 Aug 97 15:25:18 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA15143 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA871154661; Sat, 09 Aug 97 15:24:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9708098711.AA871154661@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 15:21:33 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Argh..(maybe not!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eesh... maybe not, I just got this back... has the traffic just completely died over the past couple of days, or what? (sig below) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Argh.. Author: "Brian McCoy" at smtplink-micros Date: 8/9/97 2:51 PM I was removed/deleted from the list.. this is a first for me with this list. What happened Mr. List man? What'd I miss anyway guys? Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 9 22:40:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14204; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22013; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02418; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA14555; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970809223901_510431001@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: jcagney@XXXXXX, lizbeth@XXXXXX Subject: Virgina Pony Express Trail I've volunteered to get some information out on this fund raising event, so here goes: (Taken from the Pony Express Web page - www2.firstsaga.com/goldwing/vaponyex.html) In the summer of '96, the National Pony Express Tour was a 14,537 mile relay around the perimeter of the United States. It's purpose - to raise money for the fight against breast cancer, which kills 46,000 women, and a couple thousand men, each year. These women motorcyclists and their supporters raised $317,000. The Tour is scheduled to run every even year, with local fund raising events during the odd years. In the spirit of the National Tour, Virginia's riders and their supporters are organizing the first Virginia Pony Express Ride to take place SEPTEMBER 27 and 28, 1997. Their goal is to raise $100,000 for Breast Cancer Research at The Massey Cancer Center at VCU's Medical College of Virginia. There will be six event sites on Saturday, September 27. They include the four Massey Cancer Center outreach sites plus Manassas and Waynesboro. On Sunday, a rally will be held in Richmond at the State Capitol, with a parade to The Diamond immediately following the rally. The restaurants in Shockoe (sp?) will probably open their doors early for those who wish to brunch. For additional information, or to volunteer your time to this cause, check out the Web page listed at the beginning of this message. Ladies - you don't have to ride to participate. Follow up on this and see how you can be a Principal or Associate Rider. Gentlemen - you can help, too, by volunteering to carry a non-riding Principal or Associate rider, or to pledge to be an Associate rider. Sponsors of this event include McDonald's and Signa. Thanks for your time! Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 10 11:37:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18248; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26235; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07948; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw-p5 (ip28.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.28]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01185 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EDE036.39849209@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:37:32 -0400 From: Randy Dow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: NHTSA Contract DTNH22-96-C-05128] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------861D929B292D7E6EA222D434" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------861D929B292D7E6EA222D434 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me apologize in advance for the semi-spam-like nature of this message.

You can check out the issue on the web page and immediately send effective lobbying emails. --------------861D929B292D7E6EA222D434 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by slovakia.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11153 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 07:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: RTM111@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA24443 for r_k_dow@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810101806_-802198869@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: r_k_dow@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NHTSA Contract DTNH22-96-C-05128 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello: The Anne Arundel Chapter of ABATE (Maryland) and Biker Heaven would like to thank you for participating in the current e-mail campaigns. However, we are still 5000 short of the current goal of mailings, and we are asking that you forward this e-mail to 10 of your internet friends, and ask them to participate in this campaign. To participate, go to Biker Heaven , and visit the BikerM-^Rs Rights section. There you will find the current e-mail campaigns. All that you have to do is enter your e-mail address, name, and snail-mail address, click on the Submit button, and your mail will be sent to the politicians that need to hear your opinions. Once again, that you for participating in the current e-mail campaigns. Biker Heaven http://www.bikerheaven.com/ --------------861D929B292D7E6EA222D434-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 10 21:13:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26638; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29349; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13529; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranone (spg-as81s45.erols.com [207.172.45.108]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10314 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970811011833.006776e8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ranone@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:18:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Nick & Wendy Ranone Subject: Traffic Has there been any traffic this weekend? I havent goten any. Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 10 21:20:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26899; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29377; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13591; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA16403; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id VAA04169; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708110120.VAA04169@clark.net> Subject: Re: Traffic To: ranone@XXXXXX (Nick & Wendy Ranone) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970811011833.006776e8@pop.erols.com> from "Nick & Wendy Ranone" at Aug 10, 97 09:18:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Has there been any traffic this weekend? I havent goten any. > Nick The only traffic I know of was out on the roads. With the beautiful weekend we just had, everyone was probably out riding!! I did 530 miles in 12 hrs on Saturday, going around Norfolk and over the Bay-Bridge-Tunnel. Beautiful ride. I'll have to go back and do the Bridge-Tunnel at night, it looks like there is pleanty of lighting, and could be a nice view. Plus it would be a more leasurely ride if I had stopped at a hotel somewhere. I wasn't planning on practicing for the Iron Butt ride! :-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 10 21:36:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27079; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29464; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13779; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.34.247.203] (1Cust203.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.247.203]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28621 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970811011833.006776e8@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:37:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Traffic >Has there been any traffic this weekend? I havent goten any. >Nick Nope. Everyone's been out riding, like happy people! Including myself, thankyouvurrahmuch. We don't get weekends like this in August very often, and I really had to get out and appreciate it! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 10 21:42:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27109; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29529; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13855; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13076; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA09556 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop4a.mail.mci.com (pop4a.mail.mci.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA05668 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ltanner.arl.mci.com ([166.41.110.14]) by pop4a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA19380 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:03 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:41:51 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCA5D6.3661E160.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC Motorcycle Club (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Traffic Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:41:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've gotten 7 messages dated 8/9 and 8/10 including your 2. LindaT. -----Original Message----- From: Nick & Wendy Ranone [SMTP:ranone@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 1997 9:19 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Traffic Has there been any traffic this weekend? I havent goten any. Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 10 21:58:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27180; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29651; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14019; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA03634 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:56:14 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma003630; Sun, 10 Aug 97 21:56:05 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id VAA22268; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA871264517; Sun, 10 Aug 97 21:55:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9708108712.AA871264517@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 97 21:54:08 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: Traffic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quit Lieing Al... you were out playing in a pool... not riding the roads... (well, ectept for the trip up and back). Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Traffic Author: Alan Lapp at smtplink-micros Date: 8/9/97 9:37 PM >Has there been any traffic this weekend? I havent goten any. >Nick Nope. Everyone's been out riding, like happy people! Including myself, thankyouvurrahmuch. We don't get weekends like this in August very often, and I really had to get out and appreciate it! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 10 22:52:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27609; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29875; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14596; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:51:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA26175; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810225018_1117294193@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sbl@XXXXXX Subject: Arizona- HELP! Help! My husband and I are (were?) planning a move out to Pheonix for two major reasons: The Motorcycle Mechanics Institiute and a warm climate (his physical requirement). He got out there two days ago to rent us a house, and is really freaked out by the unfriendliness he's encountered. He met a guy, coincidentally also attending MMI, who told him that not only are people unfriendly, but that both the civilians and the police give bikers a really hard time. We are of course trying not to make a mistake in either direction. Can *ANYBODY* confirm or deny these allegations? Sharon --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Arizona- HELP! Date: 97-08-10 22:47:25 EDT From: Barbelle14 To: wist@XXXXXX Help! My husband and I are (were?) planning a move out to Pheonix for two major reasons: The Motorcycle Mechanics Institiute and a warm climate (his physical requirement). He got out there two days ago to rent us a house, and is really freaked out by the unfriendliness he's encountered. He met a guy, coincidentally also attending MMI, who told him that not only are people unfriendly, but that both the civilians and the police give bikers a really hard time. We are of course trying not to make a mistake in either direction. Can *ANYBODY* confirm or deny these allegations? Sharon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 11 10:25:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03722; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05031; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22856; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:24:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA27767 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970811102114_-704608397@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Arizona Sharon & everyone The Fear: >not only are people unfriendly, but that >both the civilians and the police give bikers a really hard time. The only time I was ever pulled over on my bike and didn't get a ticket was in AZ. I was leaving the state with about 30 miles left to go, and I got stopped for 85 mph. The cop talked to me for a while, and then concluded that since I was dressed in leathers, wearing a helmet, and my tires were in good condition, I was not riding unsafely. He wrote me a warning. I was stunned. I was sure I had a ticket. At the time, the speed limit was still 55. It is now 75 in many parts of the state. This nice high limit and the incredible variety of terrain in Arizona makes it one of my favorite states to ride motorcycles. I've met friendly people there every time. Don't panic because of two bad days! Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 11 10:58:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04190; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05454; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23596; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA645.17890060@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: BIKE FOR SALE: 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:55:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT BIKE FOR SALE: 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 Shaft Drive Runs, inspected through Sep 97, needs work. Fouls plugs and lightly backfires when warmed up. Has typical, chronic Virago starter grinding gear problem. Only 8000 miles, tank is in good condition (no dents), needs paint. Missing plastic Yamaha tank badges. New plugs, air filter, oil, and oil filter. New Yuasa battery installed last summer. Fork seals and fork oil replaced last summer. New starter gears just installed. Saddleskins replacement seat cover (looks nice). Clear title, Clymer's manual, spare engine crankcase, box of spare parts, and an extra oil filter included. If you know how to tune a carb, you can probably get this bike running nicely. First $600 rides it away. Bike is located in Dale City, VA. Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX (703) 367-4732 days (703) 590-5781 evenings From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 12 12:07:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21893; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24341; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19359; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bones.erols.com (spg-as69s22.erols.com [207.172.42.85]) by smtp3 (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02460; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:05:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199708121605.MAA02460@smtp3> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "KP Bones Mahoney" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Barbelle14@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:09:34 +5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Arizona- Go!! Reply-to: bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Hello I'm from Phoenix, I lived there for over 25 years, I moved back to the DC area 3 years ago (I lived here 5 years in the 80's). the thing I miss most about Arizona is the friendly people. the thing that I don't miss about Phoenix is all of the unfriendly people from back east that are moving outthere and bringing their East coast big city attitudes with them. MMI is a big draw. it is also one of the biggest reasons I am now in the computer industry. too many motorcycle mechanics in Phoenix. There is also an other school there. MMI is on the northwest side of town. The class of people tends to go up the farther east in Maricopa County you go. Paradise valley isn't a bad area NE side of the mountians. Sunnyslope is where I lived before I moved back here to ROME (Wash. DC) sunnyslope is an older area of town that is in hte N. central area not a bad commute to MMI. the biker community is very open but a little reseved untill they know you. (Lots of undercover cops). if you are a Harley type there are lots of harleys there. Year round riding. ( I only had a bike for over three years). Yes the bike cops have a real attitude!!! The rest of the cops are just cops doing their job. some of the towns are tuff others aren't so bad. Scottsdale cops are very protective of the rich people there. I've had problem with them even though Scottsdale is the town I grew up in. ( you didn't have tobe rich to move there in the early 60's) bottom line I don't it here because of the unfriendly people. so maybe my POV is a little skewed. I love it there!! It gets HOTTT!!!! in the summer but that's the bad weather. winter is heaven. 75 degrees in Jan. it sometimes gets down to 30 degrees at night. the mountians and the lakes are nearby. snow sking in winter, water sking in summer and riding weather year-round. If you get away from the people that have just moved there too you can walk down the street and say hi to anyone and they will say hi back and not look at you like you are going to do something to them. Take me with you Please!!!! Bones bonez@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 12 13:37:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23903; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26914; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21613; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA724.C1FE21D0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Bike Prices? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:36:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT Do anyone know if there is a place on the WWW that shows bike prices new used like Edmunds does for cars? Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 12 15:09:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26405; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29441; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24419; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA05177; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:07:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-58.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.122) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005131; Tue Aug 12 14:07:08 1997 Message-ID: <33F0DEB0.3FC7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:08:05 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Prices? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glen, Dont know of any price guides on the Web, tried a couple of searches, but could not find anything. However the March 1997 issue of Motorcycle Consumer News had a rather impressive Used Bike Value Guide, going back to 1982. Ill gladly look up anything in particular. At one time I had heard that MCN was going to be on the Web, but I have not found them either. HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 12 21:32:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00373; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05034; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01516; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA14593 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970812212951_-737684074@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Prices? Try this. I haven't checked it lately.... Motorcycle Blue Boo k On-Line - Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 12 21:32:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00380; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05044; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout29.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01522; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout29.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA24406 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970812212951_-737684074@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Prices? Try this. I haven't checked it lately.... Motorcycle Blue Boo k On-Line - Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 12 22:36:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00915; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05397; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout29.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02526; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout29.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA22810 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970812223246_-1371410083@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good Roads? Due to various family and work obligations, I haven't been able to ride nearly as much this summer as I would have liked. Plenty of warm days with no rain, yet I've only logged 3000 miles since my riding season began. (Yes, I'm a fair weather rider -- hate to be wet or cold). So, I've advised my husband I will be taking a 3 day leisurely trip down the eastern shore one weekend in September. Sending this message as I'd like to know of good roads any of you may have taken through the Norfolk/Tidewater/Richmond area. My general plan is to ride north to Dewey Beach (or Lewes) then to ride along the coast, across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, around Norfolk (maybe stopping for a short stay in Virginia Beach if it's Neptune Festival weekend) and then back up to Northern Virginia. My original thought was to somehow incorporate the James River Bridge (Route 17, I think) into my return trip. Chris Meier provided the group with the route he uses to get to Dewey, and I plan on trying those out. Does any one else have some insight as to which roads make for enjoyable riding in any of the areas I may be near or passing through? How about points of interest where I could spend an hour or so sight seeing, absorbing local culture/history, or just kicking back? Things you should know: I ride a '93 Sportster and I like to sight see, which means I putt along at or near the speed limit. I have three days in which to complete this trip and plan on stopping for the day when I get tired at any motel that has a vacancy. (Of course, I don't want some flea bag motel, but, other than that, all I'm looking for is a place to sleep). As of this time, I'm traveling alone as I don't want to have to set my schedule to someone else's clock (this is a pleasure trip -- no kids, no husband, no work). Thanks, Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 12 22:43:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00965; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05438; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02628; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frosty.13x.com (1Cust115.max7.bridgewater.mi.ms.uu.net [153.36.114.115]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05645 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33F121E9.436C@13x.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:54:33 -0400 From: Stephen Reply-To: frosty@XXXXXX Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TheAutochannel.com [was: used bike prices?] References: <970812212951_-737684074@emout20.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For used bike prices, the autochannel rates about as useful as udders on a bull. What a load of garbage. Maybe it's useful for cagers, but it's as slow as molasses in winter, and about as interesting for two wheeled bretheren as listening to paint dry. In the motorcycles section of Buy Direct, they have a few "Chicks-on-bikes" calendars, and a "making-of-a-chicks-on-bikes-calendar" Oh, take me back to motorcycle online, pleeeeease. Speaking of which, MO has a really lengthy section of want ads for motorcycles. and for those of you who can convert from Canadian Dollars into US Dollars, and know what a kilometer is, there's always the Canadian Motorcycle Guide: http://www.simple.on.ca/cmg/ Which unfortunately, wasn't up when I checked it just now, but usually runs somewhere between humorous, and base, with the occasional foray into informative. Entertainment is guaranteed, and there are some interesting threads posted on their discussion group which hasn't quite spawned a list yet. Back to work. Stephen AntietamMC@XXXXXX wrote: > > Try this. I haven't checked it lately.... > > Motorcycle Blue Boo > k On-Line > > - Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 13 03:19:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA03356; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 03:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA07714; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 03:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA06256; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 03:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kamehameha (zz0072.staff.digex.net [204.192.83.72]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21997 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 03:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33F15FBC.AB1F69D8@digex.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 03:18:20 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike back from the dead! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I picked up the bike from Cycle Sports Springfield. Total Bill: $439.35 They replaced the needle valves with a stock Kawasaki set and resynced, retuned, and reinstalled the carbs, basically. They went through one or two aftermarket sets, but finally settled on the stock ones. Ed (the mechanic) found some interesting things in the carbs, too, like the remains of what were probably bugs at one time. I've put only about 1600 miles on it since I bought it a year ago, but that's almost as much as the previous owner put on in 5. So, anything could have grown there. There's no better way to kill a bike than to let it sit. They also threw on a basic tune-up (plugs, filter, oil, cables). The bike moves out like never before! It starts and warms up faster and carburation is smooth. I just gotta ride the thing more. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX One DIGEX Plaza Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 13 07:26:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04651; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10003; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08691; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCA7BA.221AD230@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:25:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Good Roads? Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:25:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Lisa, there are some fairly scenic roads on the western side of the Eastern Shore of MD, west of US 13. Lots of them are dead ends and would require a back track but since you have three days it might be worth it. While your in MD be sure to stop in the fishing town of Crisfield for some good seafood. Its located at the MD/VA line on the Eastern Shore. US 17 is a fairly nice road with very little traffic and basically no trucks. When I say fairly nice I mean compared to I-95. Watch for the state police though, I think they work this road more than any other in VA. Of course you said that you will be doing the speed limit so that shouldn't matter. If you haven't been down this road in a while they just finished reworking the York river bridge at Yorktown and it now costs $2 to go north, free going south. If I were you I might just skip VA beach and travel another 1 to 2 hours south and ride down the Cape Hatteras National Seashore on NC 12. good luck and have fun Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >---------- > >Sending this message as I'd like to know of good roads any of you may have >taken through the Norfolk/Tidewater/Richmond area. My general plan is to >ride north to Dewey Beach (or Lewes) then to ride along the coast, across the >Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, around Norfolk (maybe stopping for a short stay >in Virginia Beach if it's Neptune Festival weekend) and then back up to >Northern Virginia. My original thought was to somehow incorporate the James >River Bridge (Route 17, I think) into my return trip. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 13 09:42:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05616; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11122; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.fedworld.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10575; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmccleod.fedworld.gov ([205.130.201.225]) by apollo.fedworld.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA170939663; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:41:13 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970813134231.006fd2a8@pop.fedworld.gov> X-Sender: cmccleod@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:42:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carolyn McCleod Subject: Subsribe subscribe dc-cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 13 22:40:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17991; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23236; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26030; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA05482; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970813223702_2080462301@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cape Hatteras National Seashore Glen: I vacation on the Banks with my family every summer. One of the first years after buying the bike, I took it to the beach with us. Once you've ridden Route 12 (north to Corolla or south to Hatteras-Ocracoke Ferry), it's done. Traffic's a bit too heavy and not much in the way of scenery. But, thanks for the thought. If I hadn't already done it, I'd probably extend my trip to that area. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 14 21:27:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01512; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11524; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17442; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:26:48 -0400 (EDT) From: DRChapman@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA16496 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814212532_-353355049@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Arai Quantum/e Size Large, Italian Racing Red Used four months, Pristine condition, $225 firm Rusty (703) 978-6480 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 14 23:11:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03710; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12297; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18761; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id XAA26102 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:10:54 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma026094; Thu, 14 Aug 97 23:10:39 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id XAA27858; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA871614441; Thu, 14 Aug 97 23:07:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9708148716.AA871614441@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 23:05:58 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Raask rear-sets. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings fellow 2-wheeled adventures... *cough* Ok, I have to say that I did something kinda foolish, and a lot spontanious. When I learned of Raask rear-sets for my VF500f.. I just went right to the phone, credit card in hand, and ordered.. no care for the cost. Yikes... oops? Ok, I also did this a week before UPS went on strike (that was what, 10 days ago now?). *cha-ching* $250.00 later they were on their way. Destine to arrive one week from the shipping date (a Monday). Well, they probably would have arrived that next Monday had UPS held off on their strike till Monday NIGHT at 12am. *growl* Anyway, they ended up sitting inside my doorway yesterday, much to my supprise. I open up the bok, look again at the price (a little on the heavy side IMHO) and then picked up the rest of the included information. Hrm, a nice picture book of every rear-set they make, for each bike... some clip-ons and handlebars.. and a price guide. Whoaaa... hold on a second, I look through a second time. Nope, not even the impossible instructions that come with Givi bags, not one thing that's even close to instructions for these things. Sure, about now, you're saying to yourself 'How hard can it possibly be to put rear-sets on a motorcycle'. Well, if you saw all the little pieces and gizmos (does this thing frappe too?!!?) and attachments, you'd be looking for instructions as well. The only thing I had to base assembly on was a picture in their little catalouge. Ok, I'm mechanically inclined, this is a tast I can accomplish. Get the tools..... Not to much longer I had them assembled, and pretty much tightened down where they needed it.. and only a few extra pieces *grin*, oh, wait... that's just the mounting hardware. Off to the Batcave to dive into the bike and replace these things. Well, taking off the shifter side was pretty simple, and installing the new rear-set not so hard... except that there's no place to bolt the exhaust canister to. (still haven't figured this out... saftey wire anyone?!) On to the break -- er, brake side. Disassembly took a long time, just because of the massive ammounts of RUST hiding in all them little grooves. Heck, one pin was removed with a... *cough-hammer-cough*. That little bad-boy was stuck. Anyway, got everything disassembled, and reinstaliation was pretty smooth.. except I don't have a brake light attached right now. (I don't use that usualy, plus I'm putting the bike on the track full-time here shortly.) Start to finish - ummm, 3 hours.. (blame that on the fact that the bike's seen more watter than a salmon) Rideing impression: YIKES!! my knees are really bent now. These get me up, right over the tank. I'm forced to the front of the seat, almost perched on the bike.. completely ready for action (these will be great on the track). Rode it home from the gym... something I didn't enjoy, talk about cramps.. but after the shower, and cooling off a little, I took off for a longer ride. Other than being really slippery (I've got grip tape planned for them in the near future), and myself unaccustomed to them, they are nice. Like I said, they put you in the 'attack' position 100% of the time, you can pretty much not be ready for that hard corner you're not quite ready for, just lean. The back end does seem a little more skittish now (more bias on the front end), front end feed-back has become more important (Look-out Lindman Enginering), and speed/comfort with speed has gone up. I've only put maybe 30 miles on them so-far, but I like the position that it forces me into. On the other hand, I'm not going to want this for my full-time street bike much longer. Guess that's my new excuse for the bike purchase (but I put rear-sets on, and just can't ride it on the street for long distances anymore.. *more whine.. and cheese*) Anyway, I'm outta here. Time to get home, and dream fast, twisty dreams... Ride safe everyone. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f (with fast pegs now!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 15 01:14:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08224; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13516; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20155; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.30.46.211] ("port 2048"@[38.30.46.211]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IMG88VPQI88ZH9YJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:14:16 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:14:04 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Bike Prices? To: shephar1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IMG88Y3QLY8ZH9YJ@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Where might one find a copy of Motorcycle Consumer News? Have tried SuperCrown, Walton, that place in Georgetown (whose name escapes me at the moment) to no avail:( ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..georgehowell@XXXXXX..| | http://people.delphi.com/~georgehowell | *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 15 07:51:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10501; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17958; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23649; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA10778; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:51:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-42.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.106) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010775; Fri Aug 15 06:50:48 1997 Message-ID: <33F46CD5.17E3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:51:01 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Prices?/Motorcycle consumer News References: <01IMG88Y3QLY8ZH9YJ@delphi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, I have never seen Motorcycle Consumer News on the newstand, I dont even know if it's available there. The subscription price is pretty steep for what amounts to a glorified newsletter but I must admit that I probably get more useful advice out of a years MCN than any 3 or 4 other rags. Which IMHO Are essentially 100 page long advertisements for whatever new gismo/gadget or bike is out. I even ride a Harley, and MCN has never had too many kind words for those, with the exception of the Sportster which happens to be what I have. But in their defense they are not very far off the mark. I have had to laugh at the general MC press fawning over the 97 Heritage Springer. I dont know where these guys test rode that bike, but it must have been some place like the Bonneville Salt flats. I ride with three guys with them, and its great if thats the style you like, but the darn things Cant be leaned over worth a damm. They scape more metal than any bike I have ever seen. It may not be too unnerving for the rider, but several times while following in the evening I have managed to startle myself when I have seen the sparks flying in front and grabbed a handful of brake, not sure if they were going to make it around some our lovely curves out here in West By God. Well thats probably enough digression at this point, anyway, If you are interested in MCN, their subscription number is 800-735-9335. and twelve issues area whopping 29.00, 24 for 43.00. Ride Safe, HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 15 09:00:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10857; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19640; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24398; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA29447 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815085848_990107250@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mcn i just signed up with mcn for $19.99 (okay, $20, I know it's a marketing ploy). i received a "new subscriber" advertisement card in the mail, and i already saved some cash on a pair of communicators. we'll see if the $20 is worth it. jb 97 bmw r850r From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 15 10:13:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11451; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21459; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25855; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3f460dd0; Fri, 15 Aug 97 09:59:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3f460dd0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Raask rear-sets. To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Nice post Brian! Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 15 12:15:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13292; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24808; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iland2.internetland.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28632; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.3.0.153] (wbrg153.internetland.net [208.3.0.153]) by iland2.internetland.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16563; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:15:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: manfred@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9708148716.AA871614441@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:15:44 -0500 To: vfr@XXXXXX, From: "James M. Politte" Subject: Re: Raask rear-sets. At 23:05 -0500 8/14/97, Brian McCoy wrote: > > *cough* Ok, I have to say that I did something kinda foolish, and a > lot spontanious. When I learned of Raask rear-sets for my VF500f.. I > just went right to the phone, credit card in hand, and ordered.. no > care for the cost. Yikes... oops? Ok, I also did this a week before > UPS went on strike (that was what, 10 days ago now?). > > *cha-ching* $250.00 later they were on their way. $250? You got bent over. I've got a set on the way COD for the total of $219. Of course, I'm still waiting for mine. :\ J.Politte -------------- If more government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 16 18:33:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04730; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12171; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22455; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id SAA09012 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:32:37 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xmaa08983; Sat, 16 Aug 97 18:32:13 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id SAA20577; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA871770463; Sat, 16 Aug 97 18:27:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9708168717.AA871770463@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 97 18:26:19 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Traction - or lack there-of. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings.. I just posted something saying that I felt like the back end of my bike felt light, and was stepping out (with the instalation of rear-sets). Today, I found out how wrong I was. I was taking a very familiar corner, marked 35, at about 70 mph... and I had my front tire slide out from under me. Ok, this was a downright butt-clentching experience... one I'd not like to repeat, at least on the street. I didn't feel that I was pushing the limits of the tire, the bike, the conditions or myself... but obviously this wasn't the case. I went back and looked at the corner, and the place I thought I slid, there was Nothing on the ground right there.. no gravel, no oil - oil residue, no nothing. My tire, while not being new, still has a bit of wear left till the wear indicators say 'replace me!'. The front forks have good oil in them, new seals, and are in good general condition.. I was rested, awake, and just pushing a little to have some fun - well, my push on the street has gotten to be to much now. I've seen this indication in a couple other minor situations, and that's the main reason I've enroled for the local racing school. Anyway, my main point is that even if nothing seems wrong, or out of place. If you feel like you're rideing within your ability, and that whatever comes your way can be handled, Don't get comfortable. That comfort, and lack of readiness will bite you when you least expect it, even if everything seems perfect. I probably hit the 1:1,000,000 chance today with sliding my front end in the manor that I did with the conditions the way they were, and I feel I was lucky for being able to ride on through this to get to work.. but next time, who knows. I'm not complaining now about the heat and my aerostich or arai... I'm glad I had them on, and I'll continue wearing them faithfully like I have been. I just kinda want to spit out a reminder that we take a bit more risk than those cagers, and that we need to take it safe (I want to see the day that bikes are more popular than cars.. it'll happen, well.. I can dream right... and now about that new Bimota......) Here's to everyones safe rideing, and continued enjoyment. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 17 08:30:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08864; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18098; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29215; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000006.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.18]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA02471 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:26:49 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9708170828.AA18988@204.91.98.131> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:28:18 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For Sale: 1995 (new) Honda Nighthawk Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed;boundary=part_B01C66A200044D7500000002 --part_B01C66A200044D7500000002 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Hope I don't get slammed/flamed too badly on the list - the fact that I'm selling my pride and joy is tough enough!! Please pass the word around if you know anyone who is interested in a super nice/clean bike: ----------------- For Sale - 1995 Honda Nighthawk 750 CC, (Brand new 4 mos ago) 730 miles on the clock. I bought this bike 4 months ago Brand new off a dealer floor, ridden on weekends probably 10/12 times. Ridden VERY softly 730 miles, just had the breakin (600 Mi) service done on it, new filter/oil, etc. Garaged kept/ covered, VERY pampered bike, never seen rain, etc. This is essentially a new bike that's ready to ride after the breakin period. Got married, bought house, no time (unfortunately) to ride it. I bought it with 2 new helmets for approx. $5600, would like to sell it and helmets (1 never used) for $5000. Please email me privately at elliottm@XXXXXX Matt Elliott 703-713-9518 (home) --part_B01C66A200044D7500000002-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 17 15:36:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10938; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24524; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03711; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (spg-as18s34.erols.com [207.172.36.97]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29055 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33F77CE8.3250@erols.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:36:24 -0700 From: "David & Alane O'Neill" Reply-To: djoneill@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS:'97 YZF1000R References: <9708168717.AA871770463@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit '97 YZF1000R Red and White Excellent Condition, all stock 3800 Miles Purchased new 05/97. Carefully broken (already has 4 oil changes and 3 filters) Uses NO oil Good tires (new front, good rear) Comes with rear race stand, Service Manual, Yamaha Oil Filters This is a great handling, comforable bike. This month's Sport Rider shoot-out winner. $8850 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 17 20:32:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12479; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27065; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06819; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id UAA02042 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:32:10 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xmaa02018; Sun, 17 Aug 97 20:32:03 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id UAA27963; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA871864059; Sun, 17 Aug 97 20:27:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9708178718.AA871864059@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 20:27:40 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: Traction - or lack there-of. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >First of all, I'm assuming that you are O.K. (no injuries)?? Hope so. I'm fine, with the exception of a few more lost hairs due to the panic I encountered. (Male patter baldness my *** - it's the HELMET!) >Second, do you mind saying what tires you have on your Viffer? I'd be >interested, and what you would estimate as to the % of wear. Just >information for me maybe helping to choose tires. On the front I'm running a Metzeler ME33-Laser (I think that's the correct model number at least). It's nearing retirement (sorry 'bout the pun), but I haven't hit the wear indicators yet. It's supposed to be one of the best out there for older bias-ply required bikes. On the back, I have a new Avon Supervenom - about 200 scrub in miles on that. I've been running this combination for about 6K miles now, and it works well. I was going to make a change when I finished my F2 wheel conversion (front and rear). >Do you think the >type/size had a factor in how far you could push them? I doubt tire size had much to do with this. My bike should have a 90 on front, I have a 100 - out back should be a 110, I run a 130. I should probably have a 120 on the back to stay equal with the increased sizes, but I didn't. On a side note, I was talking to someone I admire as a racer last night about this, and he threw in another question I hadn't asked.... What tire pressure I run. Well, I keep it religiously at 31 front, 33/34 back (cold). The recommended ranges run (I think) 34-36 front, and 35-38 back. He assured me that running even a few PSI low could easily cause a slide like I had. Racers drop their tire pressure down to about 30/28 (front/rear) - but then again, they're playing at 110% the whole time, and with the heated tires, comes a raise in pressure. I also learned that a tire heats up more in a corner, and actually cools off on straights (as a total). So running a little lower than what's on the tire could be causing more problems with handling than most would care to admit. Anyway, more pennies for y'alls collections. Ride safe, Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 01:00:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA14633; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29949; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lamp0.arl.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09976; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lamp0.arl.army.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10259; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:00:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman X-Sender: morris@geni21 Reply-To: Morris Berman To: East List , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My Great Western Adventure Trip Report Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since I'd mentioned this to several at the RCR, I figured I'd post my trip report (also since I wrote so much I thought I'd subject as many people to it as possible!). I have finally completed my Great Western Adventure. A little background first. The only other long distance, multi-day tour I've done was the RCR (about 2,100 miles) and a friend accompanied me for that trip. This is the second major trip (overnighter ) and the 1st solo trip (other than short day rides) I've done. I have to say that I really did enjoy it. I decided that I wanted to see the west on my bike and, in addition, stop by my brother's house in Park City, UT (He didn't believe that I'd actua lly visit on a bike.). I allocated about 2 weeks for the trip planning on doing about 500 miles/day to get out there and back, and about 300/day once there for sight seeing. The old mileage plans fell through and I ended up doing about 400/day during th e sightseeing part. I was also going to try to see as many national parks as possible (though this didn't quite pan out due to rain/gravel/late starts). I did the trip on a '96 GPz 1100 with a three bag Givi set up. I used a motel only 3 nights, the re st were camping or family/friend's house. I was going to write a short version and a long version, the short version grew so I decided to nix the short version and go only with the versbose one. However, I did include some brief notes. And now what you 've all been waiting for: The Trip Report... Vital Statistics: Start/End: Maryland (Washington, DC suburbs) Farthest Point North: Harlowton, MT Farthest Point West: St. George (actually Hurricane), UT Farthest Point South: Kayenta, AZ (actually junction of AZ98 & US160) Highest Point: 12,183' (Trail Ridge Drive) Distance: 7,231 miles Fuel: 182 gallons Duration: 14.5 days Average Mileage: 40.3 miles/gallon Highlights: Beartooth Highway: beautiful scenery and excellent riding Riding through the Rain in the Desert: very cool experience Welding shop in La Verkin, UT: $30.00 to repair my Givi rack Snow Family Guest Ranch: watched my Givi bags during repair of rack Moose viewing in Grand Teton: ~4' from the road Zion Canyon: NPS did a great job routing the road through the canyon Escalante Wilderness, UT12: Very scenic and fun to ride Columbine Cafe in Leadville: great red chile Fellow bikers along the way: great conversation and company Cadillac Ranch Proprieter: very friendly and locally knowledgable GPz 1100: eats up both the miles and the twisties Lowlights: Riding through the desert in the rain: very wet and slick in spots East canyon: ridden at night with no moon and loose gravel I70, I80, I90, I64, I81, I66: need I say more? "Pavement Ends", "Loose Gravel/Fresh Oil" signs: I hate gravel roads! Montana: at least the part I was in, I've seen enough pastures now! CO149 & CO92: without the rain, this road pair would be highlights Chain drive: a pain in the ass Good Things I did: Food in the tank bag to eat on the way and the Camelback of water Torque wrench brought for the ride O-Ring throttle lock Cheap poncho to keep rain off of dashboard/controls at night Brought AAA campbooks and both regional and state maps Kept a journal Always had an unopened bottle of water with me Refueled with at least 50 miles left before reserve Radio in tank bag wired to old headphones in helmet (both for music and weather information) Camera/cell phone in tank bag Extra trashbags for rain protection Packed extra backpack (useful after the Givis broke) Left the laptop at home Picked the brains of the locals for roads/information Lots of papertowls to clear bugs off of faceshield in tank bag Brought sweatshirt/sweatpants for temperatures at altitude Bad things I did: Tried to pick the bike up with my back, not my legs (VERY BAD) Stored water bottle in top box, even the store bought bottles leak Should have called each state (or AAA) to find out about construction on non-interstates Rain suit started out under seat, quickly moved to top box Should have had more $1 bills since many campgrounds (USDA/NPS) are self-service Not enough time to really see anything at any of my destinations Should have brought more than a few tablets of Ibuprofen Miscellanious Details (mostly GPz specific): Mounted a new set of MEZ2's just prior to the trip. The bike handled really well on them, though the rear now has a big flat spot. I can't expect much else with all the slab miles and the load the bike was handling. On my little spill, the Givis did a great job protecting my pipes from any damage, though it did result in a small crack in the fairing. The Genmar risers did a great job, since the only thing that hurt after so many miles was my butt. I higher windscreen would have been nice to deflect more bugs off of my faceshield. A brighter headlight (sitting on my desk) would be great for those evenings when I decided to go canyon carving. Chronology Monday-Friday. I ordered a new set of Dunlop D205s from Dennis Kirk. I paid extra for the three delivery so that they'd arrive on Friday and I could mount them and do my trip on fresh tires. I get a message Tuesday night off of my machine at 2100 (afte r I got home from work late), "Mr. Berman, please call customer service before 1800 today, we have a problem with your order." I call back on Wednesday and they need to confirm the credit card since an operator took the initial order (done at night). I complain that if I'd known that I would have been sure to call back on Tuesday from work (since I worked so late). After a bit of talking they say that they will ship 2 day (remember, this is now Wednesday) at their expense (since this is not the first t ime that they've had that problem). Friday comes, and no tires. I call Dennis Kirk and am told that they went out Thursday, 2 day delivery and will arrive Monday. I tell that that is no good since I leave Saturday night. There's nothing they can do. I had to go to a local dealer and pay (through the nose) for a set of Metzeler MEZ2s, the only thing anyone local had in the right size. From my trip I find out that they didn't actually arrive until Tuesday. Dennis Kirk says that they will refund the e xtra shipping. An ominous beginning to this trip (and a very expensive one!). Saturday (night, just to get out of town). Left Bethesda, MD and arrived at Finzel, MD travelling on MD355, I270, I70, I68. These roads were all slabs and very boring. Although I couldn't get a room in Cumberland (my first choice) due to the Drum Festi val! That explains why I camped in Finzel, MD. Sunday. Left Finzel, MD and arrived at Morgantown, WV travelling on the I68, I79 slabs. Went from Morgantown, WV to Wheeling, WV on US250, 250 was a nice road with some very good curves and was a welcome change from the slab. Left Wheeling, WV and arriv ed at Mendota, IL on the I70, I74, I39 slabs. The scenery was very nice: cornfield, cornfield, tree, cornfield, cornfield, city, cornfield. I did run into thunderstorms around Indianapolis (wx channel was report > 1" hail stones), fortunately I only fo und rain. Monday. Left Mendota, IL and arrived at Vermillion, SD travelling on US34, I80, I29. Passed the Del Monte corn plant in Mendota, IL. Left Vermillion, SD and arrived at St. Charles, SD travelling on SD50, SD46, US18. An uncle's ranch is in St. Charles, S D and provided the evening lodging. As I passed through Sioux City, I needed all of my will power to not stop at the Gateway 2000 outlet! Finally, after getting into South Dakota the long, straight rows of corn fields finally ended as I crested the hill overlooking Fort Randall. My first taste of enjoyable scenery! It was a really pretty scene down the hill to the resevoir and the fort. After getting into Herrick, I called the ranch, and had trouble getting through. I went to the local (that would be the only gas station in 20 miles) gas station and the attendant gave me directions to the ranch. After driving down three wrong gravel roads (and passing the remains of a bank from the late 19th century), I found the right gravel road and the ranch. I was able to discover that the GPz tops out at 125 mph with the Givis. The engine still had more, but the bags were going to shake the bike apart if I went any faster. Tuesday. Left St. Charles, SD and arrived White River, SD travelling on US18, US183, SD44. The skies were looking rather dark as I pulled out of the ranch. Travelling down the gravel road, I found a deep, center strip of gravel and the GPz promptly wobb led to the ground at 15-20 mph. Damage was minimal, a cracked lower fairing and a scraped up, but still watertight Givi pannier. However, I 1st tried to lift the bike up completely with my back. This resulted in the only real damage to me from this spi ll, aside from my ego. The Givi's protected the pipes quite well. Gravel got literally in every nook and cranny of the bike (and me). Light rain started about 20 miles west of St. Charles. I stopped for gas at Whitewater and ended up sitting in the ha rdware store/coffee shop for about 2 hours due to the pain in my back. Due to the rain (and my back), I took US83 to I90 to SD240 instead of the backroads from Whitewater to the Badlands. No interesting roads here, just wet ones. When I got to Cactus F lats, I thought "Damnit, I am at the Badlands and I am going to go sightseeing and it doesn't matter if I can't walk straight and it's raining." The Badlands were interesting and the road could have been fun, if it were dry. Going through the Badlands, it dawned on me that wind and rain created these rock formations and I didn't have much more protection from the elements than the rocks. I left the Badlands and arrived in Deadwood, SD traveling on SD240, I90, US85. More flat, straight slab, except US8 5 did offer some nice sweepers. In Deadwood, I did opt for the motel, again due to the rain and the back. At this point, I had consulted with an MD (brother) who said to hit the ibuprofen REAL hard. On this part of the trip I was able to discover where the leaks in my rainsuit were. Wherever I stopped in SD, I only met nice people. Wednesday. I woke up and got a late start, but the back felt MUCH better. After tightening the chain, I left Deadwood, SD. The road out of Deadwood offered a few nice high speed sweepers. I stopped in at Devil's tower travelling on US85, I90, US14. A ll slab, though 14 had a few nice sweepers. I was cheap and observed Devil's Tower from the base and didn't pay the entrance fee. Left Devil's Tower and arrived in Billings, MT travelling through Moorcroft, WY on US14, I90. US14 had a few more sweepers and less traffic on this side. US14 had a few miles of construction (read gravel, but more on that later) just prior to Moorcroft. I90 is a boring slab, though the sign really does say "Reasonable and Prudent" for cars in daylight as you get into Monta na. Left Billings on MO3, got past Acton and came to a sign that read "Pavement Ends", with less than 1/2 tank fuel and big black clouds in the sky, and being told that it was dirt/gravel for 9 miles, I turned tail back to Billings (This story will repe at itself.). Not to mention that I was a bit leary of gravel after the ranch. I took I-90 from Billings to Big Timber, where I spent the night at a KOA. Around Columbus, I-90 does have some nice views of the neighboring mountains. As I left Billings, I resigned myself to not being able to make Glacier National Park. I spent the night camping alonside I-90 and the railroad tracks, a nice quiet evening. Thursday. Since I didn't make it to Glacier National Park, I though I'd wander around Montana looking for scenery and mountains. I drove on a loop around the Crazy Mountains with a short stop in Ringling (single saloon town). The route was I-90, US89, MT294, US12, US191. On the latter part of US191, I found another 7 miles of gravel (this time with no choice but to proceed) and I got to follow a pilot truck. Of these roads, MT294 was the best. Although it was still relatively flat and straight. Dri ving next to the pastures, I saw the cows a-roaming...I looked twice when I saw a herd of cows fenced in, except for the one next to the road. Back in Big Timber, I met a couple on a Goldwing hack travelling with their puppy in a cage bungeed to the top box. I picked up I-90 back to Columbus and headed down MT78 to Red Lodge and the Beartooth Highway. On the way to Red Lodge, I was in/out of brief rains. Through Red Lodge, the Beartooth Highway climbed the Beartooth mountains (imagine that!) into some beautiful scenery accompanied by some really fun roads. I have to admit that the 500' sheer cliff does take away a bit of my nerve riding these roads. The road surface was pretty good, except for the inside track of the switchbacks. At the top, (abou t 10,000') there were several snow fields and a chairlift. Descending down the other side into Yellowstone, be very careful of the killer swarming mosquitos that inhabit the mountain lakes. This is what I came here for (the roads, not the mosquitos), an d it was worth it! It does get chilly at these altitudes though. I spent the night at a USDA campground just outside Cooke City, MT. At this point, I was just beginning to wear a flat spot in my tires. Friday. I went down US212 into Yellowstone ($15.00 entrance fee, ouch). I stopped to take the requisite herd of bison photo after many photos of mountain meadows and peaks. The roads through the park aren't in the best of shape, but several of them are kind of fun. There was lots of visible fire damage throughout the park. I did manage to see a pair of moose alongside the road, off in the woods. The thermal areas at Yellowstone were cool (actually, they were hot), it was funny watching so many peopl e seating at a "stadium" waiting for Old Faithful to erupt. In Yellowstone I went from Tower Junction to Canyon to Norris to Madison to West Thumb and then out to Grand Teton. Unfortunately many of the roads in Yellowstone need to be repaved. It seemed the forther south I got in the park, the flatter and straighter the roads became. After leaving Yellowstone, the only thing really interesting about the roads in Grand Teton was the moose grazing ~4 feet from the road edge and the ability to see the gia nt black clouds with the fingers of rain hanging down and approaching me. I even took the side road through Jenny Lake and it was still not very interesting to ride. US191 and US26 from Jackson to Alpine had some nice sweepers and good views as it follo wed the Snake River. US89 was pretty boring from Alpine to Smoot, but got a little more interesting through the Bridger-Teton National Forest. Not much interesting on US89 through Idaho to Garden City, WY. At the scenic overlook over Bear Lake I met a couple on a K100 (Greg and Cee) out for a day trip from Salt Lake City. US89 was very entertaining into Logan, UT proceeding through a canyon or two. I then took US89 to I15 to I84. Based on Greg's advice I took UT66 to UT65 to I80 into Park City. Thi s was a mistake, as it was pitch black (no moon) by the time I got there and UT66 and UT65 climb and descend through east canyon and 1/2 the climb had fresh oil/loose gravel signs. Had it been daylight without gravel, these would have been great roads, b ut they were VERY nerve wracking at night! I spent the night and the next day at my brother's house in Park City and attended the Park City Art Fair. Sunday. From Park City I headed out I80 to US40 to US189 through Provo Canyon. As far as canyons go, this one was pretty straight. I picked up I15 to US89 to Fairview. UT31 through the Manti-La Sal Nat. Forest was nice as it climbed over a small pass i nto Huntington. UT10 was pretty boring down to I70, and I got to put back on the rainsuit. Then I took I70 to UT24 to UT12 (the Escalante Wilderness). I made it through Escalante dry. UT12 is a very nice road with a great combination of curves and sce nery. Parts of the road follow a ridge through the wilderness. I skipped Bryce Canyon as it had already started to rain, but did go through Red Canyon. I met an Canadian from Alberta who was touring on his Honda Scooter, now that's iron butt. I also s aw a BMW with a pair of tires hanging from the back by some bungees. I picked up US89 to UT9 through Zion Canyon at dusk. Zion was REALLY pretty (and a little wet). The park service did a great job of winding a road through the middle of the canyon pro viding great scenery and some fun roads, including a huge tunnel complete with a sweeper in it. I camped at Zion that night. Monday. Road back into the canyon in the morning to see what I'd previously missed. As I left the Canyon I heard a rubbing noise. It turned out to be my license plate against my rear tire. The main supports for my Givi bags had fractured. Shelly, fr om the Snow Family Guest Ranch in Virgin (1 mile away) offered to store my baggage while I went into town (6 miles away) and got my bike fixed. I happened upon L&S welding in La Verkin who welded and reinforced the supports for a total of $30.00. I lost about 4 hours to this mishap. The people that I met during this mishap were wonderful and I would recommend both the B&B (ranch) or the welding shop if they would benefit anyone. This prevented my planned trip to the Grand Canyon, so I headed east on U T59 to AZ359. North on US89 to Glen Canyon Dam through Kanab. The dam was rather impressive, the roads; however, were pretty boring. Then it was AZ98 to US160 to US163 to US191 through the Navajo Reservation in the rain. This was fine, except for the two washouts that had 2" of very fine silt that were slicker than an oil spill. It was cool driving through the desert in the rain though. I made it through Mexican Hat and monument valley in the rain and dusk and camped at the Cadillac Ranch in Bluff, UT (A nice campground with an even nicer proprieter). I was told the there was ~12 miles dirt/gravel road between White Mesa and Blanding on US191. Tuesday. I rode up to the construction and started on it, about 1/4 mile was OK: hardpack dirt/gravel. Then it got VERY soft (from the rain partially) and I decided that it wasn't worth it and I'd miss Arches National Park. I turned around and took UT2 62 to Montezuma's Creek. I got a little lost at a Texaco plant but a local pointed me in the right direction (I don't know what roads I took, but I did manage to spook a few horses who were grazing at the roadside.). I ended up on US160, which I took to 4 corners. I did the tourist thing here and then headed into Colorado (Thankfully, away from the desert!). From Cortez, CO, I took US666 up to CO184 and the CO145. Nothing interesting, but I couldn't resist riding the Devil's Highway. CO145 was a nic e road, basically just woods with a few sweepers as it followed the Dolores River. It got a little a more interesting near Lizard Pass (10,222'), and I also put on the rainsuit there. I stopped off at the Mountain Village of Telluride and to take the fr ee tram ride to the top of the mountain. I couldn't see anything through the fog and clouds. As I was coming down, it naturally started clearing. I then rode into the town of Telluride. A very pretty town. AS you drive down the main street you have a view of the small waterfall behind the town. I spent the night at Telluride, in the campground at the end of town. I set up the tent about 10' from a brook (with about a 2" clearance over it's banks), then I hoped that it didn't rain. I had a short conversation with another fellow who has some BMWs and Ducatis in his stable (This trip he had the minivan and 2 kids.). Wednesday. I left Telluride heading west on CO145 to CO62 and then onto the million dollar highway. These were nice roads, but nothing spectacular. Heading south on 550 to Ouray and then Silverton provided some great views and marked 10mph twisties. I t was a really nice road, but not the nicest that I've ever been on. US550 flattened a bit after passing Purgatory, so then it was into Durango and East on US160. Basically meadows and pastures until I got to Pagosa Springs where the road climbed to Wol f Creek Pass (where again, I began the daily ritual of putting on the rainsuit.). US160 was pretty fun until I got to South Fork and headed north on CO149. Although CO149 followed the Rio Grande it wasn't too interesting until I got near Slumgullion Pas s, but the rain ruined it for me. I stopped in at Lake City where I joined a group of BMW/Concourses from Alabama for a cup of coffee. After hanging around there for an hour I took CO149 north along the Lake Fork River. This was a really nice stretch o f road, too bad it was raining. Then west on US50 and north on CO92 I passed the Curecanti Resevoir. CO92 was great around the Black Canyon, lots of twisties, most of them not on precipices. If it was dry, this could have been the most fun to drive (th e scenery was OK too). I then picked up CO133 and spent the night in Somerset, CO. Thursday. I left Somerset and climbed McClure Pass on CO133 right into a cloud. The road between Somerset and McClure was fun, too bad I needed to warm up the tires. One I got up to the pass it was much thicker than pea soup, though in retrospect there could have been some fun curves around the pass, I just couldn't see them. I turned right onto CO82 at Carbondale to head over to Independence Pass. The only traffic jam I hit on the whole trip was into Aspen. Primarily caused by Aspen's stoplights, b ut the road construction west of Aspen didn't help any. The road up to the pass was full of twisties and I was able to break free from traffic for a short while. Once on top of the pass (12,095') the view was nice, but not as nice as I'd hoped. Coming down the pass into Twin Lakes were also some good curves. Overall though, I'd have to admit that I was disappointed in Independence Pass, both the views going up and at the top, as well as the fun factor of the roads. The Beartooth Highway was much more spectacular. I picked up US24 into Leadville; a touristy, period mining town. I lunched at the Columbine Cafe, who had some of the best red chile I've had in quite a while (you have to like spicy, though). I came out of Leadville and picked up CO91. Unfortunately, there was quite a bit of construction here that had me waiting for a while. Were it not for the construction, this was an OK little stretch of road. I am sad to admit it, but I did pick up I70 at Frisco for several miles, but it was only to get to US40 and Berthoud Pass. US40 was a lot of fun as it wound its way up to Winter Park and the pass. From Winter Park to Granby, there was not much to be seen (except rain clouds). From Granby I picked up US34 (Trailridge Drive) into Rocky Moun tain National Park. A little slow to start, it got to be fun as I climbed into the mountains. My timing was perfect, once I got into the park, the rain stopped. By the time I came down the other side, the rain had already passed there. The scenery at op US34 was excellent, though much of the hiking areas were roped off for revegetation. I again found a cloud atop the mountains and had difficulty seeing through it. My one mistake was to follow the septic tank truck down the mountain. After a few mil es, I pulled over to let him get far ahead of me (both for the smell and the twisties). At Estes Park I took CO7 and CO72 to CO119 south. These roads, although lacking a little in the scenery, were great fun to ride. There were devoid of much traffic a nd had some excellent curves. Though there were few 15mph hairpins, there was no shortage of marked 20-35 mph turns. Unfortunately, near Rollinsville I came across another "Fresh Oil, Loose Gravel" sign. I spent the night near Rollinsville in a USDA ca mpground. I also passed a few locals riding sportbikes on this road, so it must be some sort of local secret :-). Friday. I couldn't wait to wake up and find the rest of the loose gravel/fresh oil! It ended after a few miles and I picked up CO119 south. More great road here (except for the construction truck I got behind). This road passes through Black Hawk and goes through several tunnels before reaching I70. Though I didn't stop, Black Hawk seemed like a good place to grab a bite to eat. At this point, I picked up I70 to begin my journey home. There is nothing to say about 70 (it had some great 55mph marked hairpins.). Except for the one sign that said "If this light is blinking you are still going too fast." I don't know if they had radar or it just blinked all the time! The western 1/2 of Kansas was spent fighting a southerly wind with the bike in a pe rmanent lean. Fortunately, some hills grow up in the eastern 1/2 to block the wind. I stopped in at a Kawasaki dealer (who had a billboard) for a brief respite. The dealer had more engine blocks on display/sale that bikes for sale. I made it out to Ka nsas City, MO this night. After following a camping sign into the seedy part of town (behind the liquor store in what could have been the red light district), I thought better and continued out I70 to the Campers Inn of K.C. Saturday. I left Kansas City on time (about 0800) and was only scheduled to make it to Morehead, KY for the day. When I got to St. Louis, I spent about a 1/2 hour looking for a good vantage point to photograph the bike in front of the arch. My search p roved fruitless. I picked up I-64 out of St. Louis to Lexington, VA. I didn't feel too tired as I passed through Morehead. As I skirted the northern edge of the Ozarks, I get a little bit of interesting scenery (it was beautiful compared to the cornfie lds on the northern route!). Between Charleston, WV and Beckley, WV I followed the WV turnpike. Although this was a slab (and it was about midnight), it was the most fun slab of the trip. It was strewn with curves that permitted me to actually put the bike into a lean at 55. The only caveat was the constant vigilance for deer. Apparantly one wasn't so lucky shortly before I arrived at a certain stretch of road. By this point, I was ready to find a campsite at the 1st hint of sleepiness/tiredness. I got my second wind somewhere on I-81, which I took to I-66 and then north on I-495. I arrived back in Potomac at 0530 Sunday morning. According to Mapquest, I covered somewhere between 1,050 and 1,100 miles on this leg of the trip. Unfortunately, I ne glected to prepare my certification for Iron Butt purposes, but I know I did it! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=- ...domesticated carbon based life forms are prohibited from wading in, swimming in or cooling any body parts off in fountains and pools. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 08:45:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17110; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04300; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scdh-99.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15058; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by scdh-99.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16222 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:44:55 -0400 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199708181244.IAA16222@scdh-99.umd.edu> Subject: FS: Truck (good for hauling Motorcycles) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I've bought a new truck, my old truck is for sale. First of all- this truck is not pretty. It has rust, and a spotty rustoleum paintjob. Beyond that- here's the description: 1979 Datsun 620 Heavy Duty, Long Bed, Pick Up Truck 2 wheel drive 2.0L engine, runs well 4 Speed manual transmission ~10K miles on its Michelin Radials. 7.5 ft. bed 16 gallon gas tank Power Brakes Just replaced fuel pump (July '97) Head overhauled about 15K miles ago, strong compression in all 4 cylinders AM radio As I said above, I must re-iterate: this is not a pretty truck. It runs great. It is a perfect truck for hauling motorcycles, and it has done plenty of that in the time I have had it. With the 7.5 foot bed you can haul most motorcycles with the tailgate up. What fits? I've fit Hawk GTs, an XL350, even 2 Water Buffalos at the same time. The bed is not very high so loading is easy. I bought a new truck because I needed more room inside the vehicle. Price: $850 (or best *reasonable* offer) The truck is located in College Park, MD. For any other information, you can call me at 301-394-4881 (day) or 301-513-9759 (weekend/evenings). ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 09:15:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17314; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04703; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15558; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16439 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancelot.campus.vt.edu (rkv-as5s55.erols.com [207.172.175.182]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA02028 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970818091013.00689c2c@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: mrubinst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:10:13 +0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mitch Subject: Question... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" First of all, that was a real interesting ride, Morris. Thanks for sharing. I have a question for all of you. Is it worth 450-500 dollars to get the warranty on your bike extended for 3 or 4 years? It doesn't cover anything that wears. Nor does it cover towing. I'm thinking the only thing it covers is if something that isn't supposed to break, does. Thanks, Mitch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 10:09:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18269; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05952; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16681; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3f8512f0; Mon, 18 Aug 97 09:42:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3f8512f0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Question... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hmmm, Well nothing ever broke on my Suzuki, but I am glad that my BMW has an extended warranty. It has alrady consumed 4 fans and one radiator. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Question... From: Mitch at ddn Date: 18/8/1997 9:10 AM First of all, that was a real interesting ride, Morris. Thanks for sharing. I have a question for all of you. Is it worth 450-500 dollars to get the warranty on your bike extended for 3 or 4 years? It doesn't cover anything that wears. Nor does it cover towing. I'm thinking the only thing it covers is if something that isn't supposed to break, does. Thanks, Mitch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 10:45:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18599; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06418; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17452; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCABC3.8C74AB80@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Question... Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:43:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT That's funny. I get paranoid about liquid cooled bikes, thinking it's just one more component to break down, and all anyone ever tells me is "nah, they improve the bike's reliability." I will probably stay with air-cooled bikes until I melt one down. Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (For Sale - Cheap!) ---------- From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX[SMTP:Dave_Choat@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 9:53 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question... Hmmm, Well nothing ever broke on my Suzuki, but I am glad that my BMW has an extended warranty. It has alrady consumed 4 fans and one radiator. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Question... From: Mitch at ddn Date: 18/8/1997 9:10 AM First of all, that was a real interesting ride, Morris. Thanks for sharing. I have a question for all of you. Is it worth 450-500 dollars to get the warranty on your bike extended for 3 or 4 years? It doesn't cover anything that wears. Nor does it cover towing. I'm thinking the only thing it covers is if something that isn't supposed to break, does. Thanks, Mitch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 11:13:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18980; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08307; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18215; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCABC7.621B7720@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: White Rose Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:10:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT Did anyone catch the Vintage Motorcycle Show this weekend at the White Rose Motorcycle Club in Jefferson, PA? I wanted to ride up and camp out all weekend, but work interfered. I ended up caging it up with the family on Sunday. I saw some really nice restored (and ratty) old bikes up there, and was able to scrounge 3 really hard to find parts for my LTD at the swap meet! (yaaaay!!!) Bob Shue (I think) not only had the parts I was looking for, he had an absolutely stunning '74 Z1 Kawasaki 900 entered in the show. This bike was PERFECT! If nothing else, seeing this one bike would make the whole trip worthwhile IMHO. He also had a black 78 LTD very similar to mine that he just sold (I saw the proud new owner putting around on it on Sunday.) I hope Bob's Z1 won something, but I wasn't able to hang around to find out. (darnit!) I can't wait for this show to come around again next year. Are there any other Shows/Swap Meets in the VA-MD-PA area? This one was my first, and it was really fun! It's also the only one I've ever heard about? Anybody know of others? Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (For Sale - Cheap!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 13:22:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20543; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11939; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21679; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3f881530; Mon, 18 Aug 97 13:07:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:08:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3f881530@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Question... To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part That's funny. I get paranoid about liquid cooled bikes, thinking it's just one more component to break down, and all anyone ever tells me is "nah, they improve the bike's reliability." I will probably stay with air-cooled bikes until I melt one down. Horkster The engine tolerances are certainly different between air and water cooled bikes, and water cooled motors do last longer. This bike has a preoblemm with its radiator motors. Despite overheating (steam jetting out of the fairing in traffic) the bike still got me home after I watered it again. It operated despite the loss of both fans (one was seized up) and I was able to get home from NYC. I just needed to be going fast enough to keep air going through the radiators, which still functioned due to the mechanical water pump. I was told that I had an unusual problem, bike wise that is. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 14:32:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21961; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13069; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23301; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCABE3.2AFFE2F0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:29:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Re[2]: Question... Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:29:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT Well, best of luck to you. I hope you get the fan motors problem ironed out. Sick bikes are no fun. Speaking of sick bikes, wanna buy a Virago? :-) Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (For Sale - Cheap!) ---------- From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX[SMTP:Dave_Choat@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 1:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Question... That's funny. I get paranoid about liquid cooled bikes, thinking it's just one more component to break down, and all anyone ever tells me is "nah, they improve the bike's reliability." I will probably stay with air-cooled bikes until I melt one down. Horkster The engine tolerances are certainly different between air and water cooled bikes, and water cooled motors do last longer. This bike has a preoblemm with its radiator motors. Despite overheating (steam jetting out of the fairing in traffic) the bike still got me home after I watered it again. It operated despite the loss of both fans (one was seized up) and I was able to get home from NYC. I just needed to be going fast enough to keep air going through the radiators, which still functioned due to the mechanical water pump. I was told that I had an unusual problem, bike wise that is. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 14:48:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22586; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13302; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23691; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mist_bravo (aln-63-204.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.204]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA28844; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:48:41 -0400 Message-ID: <33F898E1.3930A857@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:48:01 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Choat CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3f881530@emh3.arl.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Choat wrote: > It operated despite the loss of both fans (one was seized up) > and I was able to get home from NYC. I just needed to be > going fast enough to keep air going through the radiators, > which still functioned due to the mechanical water pump. > > I was told that I had an unusual problem, bike wise that is. My EX250 is also water-cooled. One of the problems I noticed with it is that the electric fan doesn't work. The last time I had the bodywork off, I checked the wiring and discovered a wire that was unplugged. Plugging it in didn't fix it. As long as I keep moving more than about 20mph or shut the engine off in stop-and-go traffic it doesn't overheat. It isn't worth taking the bodywork off the bike just to fix that problem. I'll probably fix it someday, maybe, unless I don't have time. Do you suppose that an overheating bike is a valid reason to split lanes? Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 15:16:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23685; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13677; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24450; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA01452 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCABE9.7750B980@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:14:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Question... Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:14:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 2:48 PM >To: Dave Choat >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Question... > >Dave Choat wrote: > >> It operated despite the loss of both fans (one was seized up) >> and I was able to get home from NYC. I just needed to be >> going fast enough to keep air going through the radiators, >> which still functioned due to the mechanical water pump. >> >> I was told that I had an unusual problem, bike wise that is. > >My EX250 is also water-cooled. One of the problems I noticed with it is >that the electric fan doesn't work. The last time I had the bodywork >off, I checked the wiring and discovered a wire that was unplugged. >Plugging it in didn't fix it. As long as I keep moving more than about >20mph or shut the engine off in stop-and-go traffic it doesn't >overheat. It isn't worth taking the bodywork off the bike just to fix >that problem. I'll probably fix it someday, maybe, unless I don't have >time. > >Do you suppose that an overheating bike is a valid reason to split >lanes? > I have been frustrated enough in traffic on 66 that I have taken to the shoulder, and was willing to accept a ticket to avoid overheating the bike. That was just until I could get off at the next exit, though. Even if I had stopped to cool the bike off, it would have heated up again before I could get through traffic. Is it valid? *I* think so. But I guess it would depend on the Police Officer that stops you. I bet you could get away with it if you were on the shoulder, and traveling at a "safe, reasonable" speed to just get to the nearest exit. If you were splitting lanes, however, I don't think you would be looked upon as favorably. Driving on the shoulder could indicate an emergency, whereas spliting lanes would probably be viewed as cheating your way through traffic. Worst part though, is the BDCs that pull over onto the shoulder to try and stop you as they see you come up in the rear view. No one ever thinks it could actually be an emergency ... they just don't want to let anyone get *ahead* of them. Amazing. IMHO, YMMV, blah, blah, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 15:40:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24391; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13875; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25011; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCABEC.C01A6C80@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:38:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Question... Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:38:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT The one-and-only-Leon Begeman asked: >>Do you suppose that an overheating bike is a valid reason to split >>lanes? It's only valid if you don't have a radiator! :-) Seriously though, I have read posts before about this. One biker was filtering along the shoulder during a particularly nasty traffic snarl here in the area. He saw a police cruiser stuck in the traffic up ahead, and noticed that the officer inside was watching him through the mirrors as he moved along. The rider stopped next to the police cruiser, pointed to his engine, and making a fanning motion with his hand. The cop was nice enough to wave him on. It should be noted that he was on the shoulder, not splitting lanes. I think lane splitting is FAR too dangerous for ANY biker, simply because stupid cagers don't expect something to come whizzing past them in traffic, BETWEEN the lines of cars. Some cagers are prone to open doors in stopped traffic, either to get out and "have a look up ahead", (OK, I've been guilty of this before, I admit it), or to empty the ashtray, or even intentionally if they actually look in the mirrors and see you coming. The shoulder is reserved for emergency vehicles in traffic situations, but I figure if my bike overheats and locks up, I'm pushing it over to the shoulder anyway. If an ambulance does come along, I can get out of the way a whole lot faster than any cage can. I wouldn't do this for miles of travel, but would get off at the next exit to find a better route, or have a cold drink, or something. I guess I'd risk a ticket to avoid damaging my ride. Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (For Sale - Cheap!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 15:56:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24573; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14776; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25428; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA27980 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from combustion ([128.164.160.134]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA12244 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708181956.PAA12244@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: RE: Question... >Worst part though, is the BDCs that pull over onto the shoulder to try >and stop you as they see you come up in the rear view. No one ever >thinks it could actually be an emergency ... they just don't want to let >anyone get *ahead* of them. Amazing. What's a BDC? Excuse my ignorance. M.P. Tolocka 1990 CB-1 AMA#608333 _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 16:42:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25076; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16801; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26599; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mist_bravo (aln-63-204.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.204]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA31164; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:41:55 -0400 Message-ID: <33F8B36C.11EFA77E@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:41:18 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horkster wrote: > I think lane splitting > is FAR too dangerous for ANY biker, simply because stupid cagers don't > expect > something to come whizzing past them in traffic, BETWEEN the lines of > cars. I agree. I've had good luck splitting lanes but I NEVER come 'whizzing' past them in traffic. They've got plenty of time to see me coming.Lane splitting is a slow speed operation, 10-15 mph IMO. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 16:49:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25169; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16937; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26864; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05115 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCABF6.84C52B70@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:48:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'M.P. Tolocka'" Subject: RE: Question... Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:48:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brain Dead Cager. Translation ... a unaware, potentially stupid car driver. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: M.P. Tolocka[SMTP:mpt@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 3:56 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Question... > > >>Worst part though, is the BDCs that pull over onto the shoulder to try >>and stop you as they see you come up in the rear view. No one ever >>thinks it could actually be an emergency ... they just don't want to let >>anyone get *ahead* of them. Amazing. > >What's a BDC? Excuse my ignorance. > >M.P. Tolocka >1990 CB-1 >AMA#608333 >_Keep the shiny side up._ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 16:55:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25243; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17055; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27139; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCABF7.1F9C73B0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Question... Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:52:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 50 TEXT M.P., BDC stands for Brain Dead Cager - a description of the malaise that affects most people once they get in a 4 wheeled vehicle and close the door. Such afflicted individuals become oblivious to such things as: traffic lights, stop signs, speed limits, pedestrians, rear view mirrors, other vehicles smaller than themselves, the horns of motorcycles, the lights of motorcycles, the sounds of motorcycles, hell, the knowledge that motorcycles even exist. They are distracted by radio knobs, idiot lights, cigarettes, food, drinks, cell phones, make-up, newspapers, noisy kids in back seats, good-looking passengers sitting cross-legged in the seat next to them, etc. The only known cure for this dreaded disease is to get on a motorcycle and ride around in traffic for a while with other BDC's. The sudden realization that one is just a small moving, nearly invisible target for these 4-wheeled monstrosities usually will provoke an awareness and a change in driving style. Until such time as all BDC's are found and eradicated, motorcycling remains an entirely perilous, albeit still fun mode of transportation. Hope I answered your question! Ride Safe! Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (For Sale - Cheap!) ---------- From: M.P. Tolocka[SMTP:mpt@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 3:56 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Question... >Worst part though, is the BDCs that pull over onto the shoulder to try >and stop you as they see you come up in the rear view. No one ever >thinks it could actually be an emergency ... they just don't want to let >anyone get *ahead* of them. Amazing. What's a BDC? Excuse my ignorance. M.P. Tolocka 1990 CB-1 AMA#608333 _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 17:12:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25464; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19068; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sgi.sgi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27653; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beyond.clubfed.sgi.com ([169.238.1.129]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA05541 for <@external-mail-relay.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:11:18 -0700 env-from (skip@XXXXXX) Received: from shadow.clubfed.sgi.com by beyond.clubfed.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/911001.SGI) for <@beyond.clubfed.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX> id RAA15826; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:11:11 -0400 Received: (from skip@localhost) by shadow.clubfed.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA28153 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:11:09 -0400 From: "skip farmer" Message-Id: <9708181711.ZM28151@shadow.clubfed.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:11:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Meier, Christopher" "RE: Question..." (Aug 18, 4:48pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Insurance experience Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just wanted to share my insurance experience: Had cycle insurance out of PA (Universal Underwriters). I noticed that my insurance had gone up about $100 bucks this year...no changes made. So I called Geico (Ya...I know..some of you called it the evil empire) but they cut my insurance in half! Not bad. Also, I tried calling my old insurance company to ask them what the deal was and they are only open from 9-1pm....that's useful! skip '87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 17:20:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25573; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19776; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27947; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as1s43.erols.com [207.172.151.234]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14661 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708182120.RAA14661@smtp2.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: White Rose Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:08:26 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX (The Horkster) writes: > Did anyone catch the Vintage Motorcycle Show this weekend at the White Rose > Motorcycle Club in Jefferson, PA? I wanted to ride up and camp out all weekend, > but work interfered. I ended up caging it up with the family on Sunday. Sounds like my story. I was going to go Fri/Sat/Sun but got stuck working Fri/Sat (was _supposed_ to be off both days). Sunday was something of a letdown, as a *lot* of the vendors had packed up and left Saturday night (too friggin' hot!). I still managed to score parts for three of my restoration projects, including a *very* nice spare radiatior for my Suzuki RE5 rotary project. You don't often see rotary parts around, and coming at the end of the swap meet has its advantages (Sunday prices). I *was* going to enter my finished RE5 in the show but didn't have time to detail it. :-( > Are there any other Shows/Swap Meets in the VA-MD-PA area? This one was my > first, and it was really fun! It's also the only one I've ever heard about? Anybody > know of others? Will Stoner sponsors quite a few swap meets, mostly in Ohio. This past spring they had one at the York (PA) County Fairgrounds. Got some real good stuff there also, including an NOS gastank for my '82 CBX and a decent '79 CBX project bike. Both the Will Stoner and White Rose meets were advertized in "Motorcycle Times", a free magazine that can be found at many motorcycle shops. Mr. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 18:13:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26111; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23398; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29434; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000225.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.237]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA04721 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:11:02 -0400 Message-ID: <33F8C8C4.B7D23630@digex.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:12:30 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: For Sale: 1995 (new) Honda Nighthawk X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <9708170828.AA18988@204.91.98.131> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > For Sale - > > 1995 Honda Nighthawk 750 CC...Got married, bought house, no time to > ride it. You will regret it. ...selling the bike that is... -- WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 20:16:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27066; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26460; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01827; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from jwilson_5268.nova.att.com (spg-as26s40.erols.com [207.172.45.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19460 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33F8E406.727C@erols.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:08:39 -0400 Reply-To: khafre@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Idle Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all! I'm having some difficulties with my bike shutting off or just idling barely enough to keep it going. This occurs when I am coming to a stop at a light. I depress the clutch and roll off the throttle and start braking, and by the time I come to a stop the idle is really low and the bike just shuts off. I have tried adjusting the idle adjustment knob but this has not helped much. Any ideas on what might be causing this would be a big help. If it matters I ride a 93 Katana 750. Khafre From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 20:56:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27428; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26799; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02456; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA01918; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970818205522_383184341@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: morris@XXXXXX, east@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My Great Western Adventure Trip Report Congratulations on completing your trip safely. A friend of mine left from Fredrick (sp?), MD on August 2 with the expectation of riding to the Golden Gate Bridge and back. I know he made it through several parks along the way (Badlands, Black Hills, Milwaukee Harley tour) then lost it on his twelth day out after just completing Arches National Park. Currently he's in a hospital in Grand Junction, Colorado. (The accident happened on Route 313 outside of Moab, Utah and they air lifted him there). He suffered a concussion, broken wrist, broken arm, contusions, scrapes and at least one (and maybe 3) broken vertebrae. The good news is there is no paralysis or neurological damag. Between the pain pills and the shock of wrecking his bike, he can't recall what happened. Any body know of a way to check the newspapers in or around Moab for the 14th or 15th of August? (The accident occurred on the 12th). Considering what he's been through, he sounds great! But, he doesn't want to leave Grand Junction until he's sure he's got his bike on it's way back. (What's left of it, that is). Anyone know of a reputable shipping firm that can get it from a gas station in Moab to a shop in Mt Airy (sp?). The information would be greatly appreciated. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 18 23:08:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28289; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28738; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04448; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA00547 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970818230625_450662844@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: lane splitting Somebody said they thought riding in the shoulder is safer than lane splitting. Did you know that in California, where lane splitting is legal, splitters must have traffic lanes on both sides? No riding between cars and shoulder, or in the shoulder. My thought is cagers expect traffic where traffic belongs, in traffic lanes. If you split, at least you are near the traffic lane. If you ride between cars and the shoulder, they will not expect you, as traffic doesn't belong over there. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 00:37:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29603; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00300; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz. by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05941; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.elkrun.nova.org by taz. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA10893; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:35:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:37:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: khafre@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Idle Problem In-Reply-To: <33F8E406.727C@erols.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had the same problem this morning. I attribute it to not taking the ride out for two weeks and a battery that has been around for a while. A lousy charged battery combined with a poor running/poorly tuned engine can easily contribute to this problem. As long as the revs were high, she kept running. Drop to 1000 rpm, then blat-dead. A more then healthy charge, synced carbs and a clean filter should help things breath and run nicely. Should all this be in order, time to look elsewhere for things you may not want to trouble shoot, and require the Saturday afternoon complete tune-up rebuild. I stopped running the beemer a month ago cause I KNEW I was way past due on tune up. it gurgled and did not want to run without those extra RPMs. Bike? No, lazy me! Need to give it the love, feeding and attention it demands. Now the racer if feeling the same ill. will probably leave me stranded, which is what I deserve.... -pierre On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 khafre@XXXXXX wrote: > Greetings all! I'm having some difficulties with my bike shutting off or > just idling barely enough to keep it going. This occurs when I am coming > to a stop at a light. I depress the clutch and roll off the throttle and > start braking, and by the time I come to a stop the idle is really low > and the bike just shuts off. I have tried adjusting the idle adjustment > knob but this has not helped much. Any ideas on what might be causing > this would be a big help. If it matters I ride a 93 Katana 750. > > Khafre > -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 09:11:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02729; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06110; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12492; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) id JAD061.76; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:11:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819080222.00950480@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:02:22 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Re[2]: Question... In-Reply-To: <3f881530@emh3.arl.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >That's funny. I get paranoid about liquid cooled bikes, thinking >it's just one more component to break down, and all anyone >ever tells me is "nah, they improve the bike's reliability." When I bought my first of a string of Honda CB750F's, back in 1985, I was dismayed to notice that it didn't have a kick-starter. My brothers CB750K had a kick-starter, and while it wasn't fun to use, it was a nice backup. Then I remembered something my parents told me some time ago. Their first car was a 1947 Volkswagen beetle a sailor had brought over after the war. The car had mechanical (cable) brakes that had to be adjusted every day or two. The car also had a starting crank sticking out of the back of the engine. On a cold day you'd use the crank to start the engine, to save the poor 6-volt electrical system. Their next car was a new 1952 Volkswagen, which cost about a dollar a pound. Cheaper than meat, my Mom figured, so it felt like a good deal. Well, this car didn't have a starting crank, and they almost didn't buy it because of that. I think air-cooled engines will go the way of the starter crank -- it has some advantages, but it's nicer to have a vehicle that doesn't need it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 09:12:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02739; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06133; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12497; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id JAF061.76; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:11:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819082933.00950480@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:29:33 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Question... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I think lane splitting >is FAR too dangerous for ANY biker, simply because stupid cagers don't expect >something to come whizzing past them in traffic, BETWEEN the lines of cars. Some >cagers are prone to open doors in stopped traffic, either to get out and "have a look up ahead", (OK, >I've been guilty of this before, I admit it), or to empty the ashtray, or even intentionally if >they actually look in the mirrors and see you coming. An important point about lane-splitting to to NEVER go "whizzing" past the cars. Operate at a reasonable and prudent speed that will allow you to stop for opened doors, cars moving over, etc. Lane-splitting, in my view, should not be used as a way to go faster than the cars. Lane-splitting should be used as a way to get through traffic when car drivers have gridlocked themselves again. One of the tactics California riders use (according to the motorcycle mags anyway) is to go between cars, because car drivers are used to staying clear of cars. If there's two cars side-by-side, you can go between them because they are not likely to make a lane change with nowhere to go. If you ride the white line past a car all by itself in one lane, it could be trouble if he decides to change lanes as you get near. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 09:50:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03125; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06890; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13307; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25506; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:50:25 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:46:28 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.32] by dclink.com with smtp id AJCOANFP ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:46:14 -0500 From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: idle Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:48:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.1149.14466@207.168.31.32 I have had idle problems but not as bad, It happened when I would run my tank almost dry and let it sit for a few days or even overnight with little gas in the tank. With the humidty high and all the heat Water would get in the gas , maybe try some dry gas and fill er up with some 93 octane and run that tank out and refill again. Just an idea and if it doesn't fix it just look at the bright side you just put some riding time in, try an get a friend to go with just in case the bike quits if it seems like it's a major problem and stay away from heavy traffic areas. Good Luck and have fun Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Greetings all! I'm having some difficulties with my bike shutting off or just idling barely enough to keep it going. This occurs when I am coming to a stop at a light. I depress the clutch and roll off the throttle and start braking, and by the time I come to a stop the idle is really low and the bike just shuts off. I have tried adjusting the idle adjustment knob but this has not helped much. Any ideas on what might be causing this would be a big help. If it matters I ride a 93 Katana 750. Khafre From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 09:54:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03190; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06993; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from urchin.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13358; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com by urchin.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17073; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:54:07 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:50:10 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.32] by dclink.com with smtp id AJDBDFFC ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:49:54 -0500 From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: lane splitting Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:52:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.18730.1102@207.168.31.32 I once witnessed a motorcyclist driving the shoulder down 270 in heavy traffic he was moving at about 35-40 mph and traffic was at a pace of 20mph. I don't know his reason but he stayed out there a little to long cause a cop followed him , and I think he would have been alright if he would have gotten off at the next exit but he continued past three and he was pulled over and appeared that he was going to get a ticket out of it. So IMHO I would drive the shoulder but only to get out of traffic and if it was an emergency and over heating would be one of those times. Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 10:10:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03360; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07267; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13742; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix001247.staff.digex.net [206.205.169.4]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA05280 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <33F9A92A.4A001929@digex.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:09:50 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970819080222.00950480@204.194.180.21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > I think air-cooled engines will go the way of the starter crank -- it > has some advantages, but it's nicer to have a vehicle that doesn't > need it. What I am curious about is why we haven't seen "radiator" fans mounted on oil coolers. Oil as a cooling medium has been around for a while, but why not go the extra step of *really* cooling the oil via a fan? You certainly don't want it to get *too* cold, though, I'm sure. With tightening emissions and noise requirements, I believe the air-cooled engine's days are numbered. Carbs will probably disappear in time, too. -- WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 11:49:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04957; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10372; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16238; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.35.88.26] (1Cust26.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.26]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15012 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33F9A92A.4A001929@digex.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19970819080222.00950480@204.194.180.21> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:48:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Question... >Chris Norloff wrote: > > > I think air-cooled engines will go the way of the starter crank -- it > > has some advantages, but it's nicer to have a vehicle that doesn't > > need it. > >What I am curious about is why we haven't seen "radiator" fans mounted on oil >coolers. Oil as a cooling medium has been around for a while, but why not go >the extra step of *really* cooling the oil via a fan? You certainly don't >want it to get *too* cold, though, I'm sure. > >With tightening emissions and noise requirements, I believe the air-cooled >engine's days are numbered. Carbs will probably disappear in time, too. > >-- WWW An interesting note on radiators: I was at a local shop that sponsors racers, and I saw the Dutchman Racing FZR1000 strapped to the dyno. I was oggling it and noticed that it has a custom radiator. Not just custom - a freaking work of art. All aluminum, 3 row, and it filled the *entire* mouth of the fairing. The top portion was a standard rectangular rad, but there was an additional triangular rad attached at the bottom via a 'header' so that the top portion had top to bottom flow, was collected in the middle and flowed down one side of the triangluar section, left to right, winding up at the bottom point. By my estimate, this rad had enough surface area to accomodate a stock 5.0 Mustang engines' cooling needs. Oh, did I mention that the whole thing was curved? Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 13:41:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06257; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12825; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19313; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA25115 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:40:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA24850 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA23357 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:40:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Subject: RE: Question... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970819174034.AAA23357@localHost> Here is the basic argument I have heard from car-only driving friends and acquantances: "The lane is my lane while I occupy it. You would not appreciate if I were to trespass your lane while you occupy it." I agree with this argument only if traffic is moving. My rebuttal is based on the fact that there is gridlock: "Your lane is more than large enough for half my motorcycle. Your lane combined with the lane of your neighbor is absolutely large enough to accommodate my motorcycle. To ease gridlock, avoid overheating, remove myself from an unhealthy situation, and illustrate why cars suck I will exploit this space and move forward." I usually get threatened at this point with opened doors, pulling in closer, throwing things from cars, etc.. It is not legal to lane split in the Washington DC metro area. But I don't give a shit about that when I'm breathing fumes from a kadjillion cars all with a single occupant. Let 'em be pissed. And let me be safe about it. Travelling any faster than 10mph while splitting lanes is _very_ dangerous, and once you get to a point where grid-lock has abated, move into and occupy a lane. Oh yeah, watch for cops ;^) My experience, and .02 Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ > I think lane splitting >is FAR too dangerous for ANY biker, simply because stupid cagers don't expect >something to come whizzing past them in traffic, BETWEEN the lines of cars. Some >cagers are prone to open doors in stopped traffic, either to get out and "have a look up ahead", (OK, >I've been guilty of this before, I admit it), or to empty the ashtray, or even intentionally if >they actually look in the mirrors and see you coming. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 14:21:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06927; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13328; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20585; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852564F8.0064D382 ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:21:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Loupil@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, philipa@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, saturnsr1@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, dotis@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, bsajim@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, engine14@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, jrduffy@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, larry_wilson@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mjhayes@XXXXXX, mducey@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, spak@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852564F8.006255B2.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:21:15 -0400 Subject: Saturday night races Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Steve Beck@ISI 08/19/97 02:21 PM Ok all you folks who wait to the last minute to plan their weekend. This Saturday Aug. 23 I will be riding up to the AMA Grand National 1/2 mile flat track race at the Hagerstown Speedway in Hagerstown Maryland. This is a great race. Give it a try. You won't be disappointed. This is a night race which starts at 8 pm and usually lasts until about 11:00 pm. I will be leaving Saturday afternoon in order to get to the track by 6 pm, which is the time that practice starts. I will be riding home when the race is over by way of interstate 70 and 270 south through Maryland. Please let me know if you are interested. If I get more than 1 or 2 people interested then I will go ahead and plan on meeting at the Silver Diner, otherwise we can just meet at mutually convenient spot. You can email me back or feel free to call at the following numbers. Work - 703-208-5671 Home - 703-941-9264. I hope to hear from some of you. And stay tuned for an announcement for a weekend motorcycle event/camping trip the following weekend (Labor Day). Later folks, Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 14:45:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07844; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13580; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21309; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id OAB087.15; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:45:07 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819143150.00998c00@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:31:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Question... In-Reply-To: <33F9A92A.4A001929@digex.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19970819080222.00950480@204.194.180.21> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:09 AM 8/19/97 -0400, Warren W. Weiss wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: > > > I think air-cooled engines will go the way of the starter crank -- it > > has some advantages, but it's nicer to have a vehicle that doesn't > > need it. > >What I am curious about is why we haven't seen "radiator" fans mounted on oil >coolers. Oil as a cooling medium has been around for a while, but why not go >the extra step of *really* cooling the oil via a fan? You certainly don't >want it to get *too* cold, though, I'm sure. I think that's a great idea. I've thought of adding one to my add-on oil cooler to give me a little more protection on hot days and in slow traffic. The cooler has a thermostat inline, that opens up only when the oil needs cooling. But a thermostatically-controlled fan on the cooler would seem to be a good idea. That said, I don't have a temperature gauge on my bike, so I don't really know how hot this one gets. >With tightening emissions and noise requirements, I believe the air-cooled >engine's days are numbered. Carbs will probably disappear in time, too. I agree. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 14:45:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07849; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13583; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21314; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id OAC087.15; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:45:12 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819143544.0094da20@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:35:44 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Question... In-Reply-To: <19970819174034.AAA23357@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Here is the basic argument I have heard from car-only driving friends >and acquantances: "The lane is my lane while I occupy it. You would >not appreciate if I were to trespass your lane while you occupy it." And those same car drivers are probably the ones who DO violate my lane space, once or twice a month typically. Some people just become animals when you strap them inside a 3,000 lb. cage. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 14:55:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08197; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14018; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21566; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852564F8.00680699 ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:56:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Loupil@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, philipa@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, saturnsr1@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, dotis@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, bsajim@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, engine14@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, jrduffy@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, larry_wilson@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mjhayes@XXXXXX, mducey@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, spak@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852564F8.0064D52C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:56:07 -0400 Subject: Labor Day Dirt Drags Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Steve Beck@ISI 08/19/97 02:56 PM Ok all you riders who still have not made Labor Day weekend plans. Rawlings Dirt Drag Inc. is hosting their final race of the season. Fri. Aug 29 Opens 6pm for Camping Sat Aug 30 Open all day, Races 6:30 pm Sun. Aug 31 Apen all day, Races 1:30 pm Mon Sep. 1 Rain date, Races 1:30 pm If you don't already know, dirt drags are the same as 1/4 mile drag racing. Except it's done on a dirt track instead of an asphalt track. And it's not strictly for dirt bikes. Picture any fast bike you can imagine. Now put a knobby tire on it, and lets go racing. You haven't seen crazy until you see some of these guys tear down this somewhat dimly lit track, in the middle of the night, at full bore. There has been some interest in a weekend campout in the group and this is the perfect event to combine motorcycle riding, racing and camping all in one. The race track is surrounded by large grassy fields on both sides which are bordered by trees and mountains. It makes for a great camping area. So far I have interest from one other CAMS member. Please let me know if you are interested by email or call me at the following numbers: Work - 703-208-5671 Home - 703-941-9264 If enough people are interested, we will plan on meeting at the Silver Diner to start the ride, otherwise we can just meet at any mutually convenient spot. I hope to hear from some of you. Later all, Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 15:00:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08276; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14217; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21668; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA00115 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCACB0.6D9CB7A0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:59:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: Question... Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:59:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >--------- >From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 2:35 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Question... > >>Here is the basic argument I have heard from car-only driving friends >>and acquantances: "The lane is my lane while I occupy it. You would >>not appreciate if I were to trespass your lane while you occupy it." > >And those same car drivers are probably the ones who DO violate my lane >space, once or twice a month typically. OR ... maybe they are the ones that violate our HOV space! Funny how they get pissed at a lane split, but have no prob with themselves jumping in the left HOV lane to make a "quick" pass. Later, chris >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 15:00:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08295; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14240; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21682; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.30A; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:57:54 -0400 Message-ID: <2EB6F93301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:00:59 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike 4 Sale (fwd) Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Hey Bill, Ron O'Day here. I am trying to sell the bike I currently own so that I can replace it with another one. I placed an ad in the post 2 different weekends. Three people have come out to see it but no committments thus far. The sooner I sell this thing, the better. Dave said you might be able to help. The ad goes something like this: Suzuki- '92 DR650S. Dual Sport. 1,100 miles. Pirelli MT21 tires. 2 Helmets. $2,500 negotiable. Call (202)337-0367. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 15:29:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08761; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14658; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22392; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA07417; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:34:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Yamaha Virago questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just bought "The Horkster"'s 1982 750 Virago. A couple of questions: 1. It has the generic Virago starter problem. Does anyone know what a GOOD fix is (or where to find out)? Dale tried to repair it, but without success. 2. I'll be pulling the carbs; are there any suggested jetting changes from stock? 3. The bike could use some cosmetic help (well, so could I)---anyone got a parts bike with good-looking black tank? 4. Other upgrade suggestions? Thanks! --garcia "Sincerity is very important. If you can fake that, the rest is easy." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 16:04:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09368; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15681; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lms02.us1.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23231; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d04lms03.raleigh.ibm.com by lms02.us1.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36122; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:08:09 GMT Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU033 id 5040300004345976; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:04:24 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Spark Plug Question Message-Id: <5040300004345976000002L062*@MHS> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:04:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs? Do they really improve performance or is it all hype? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 16:12:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09456; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15875; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23486; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.30A; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:09:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20EFF93301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <8CE1F93301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:08:10 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycle) Subject: Re: Yamaha Virago questions Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Starter problem: drain the oil, 'cuz you have to pull off the side cover. There is no way to repair, or even remove the drive from outside. You'll need to replace the spring and maybe the drive gear...consult the shop manual on this, as it's been a while since I owned one. If you're going to rejet the carbs, why not add an aftermarket exhaust that will take advantage of the boost. Some can be had for about $300, I think. Try a K&N filter too. For a tank, try baltimore cycle salvage. 410-962-1335 located at 1629 Warner St. just off Russell St. and I-95. Mike is your man, and he's got quite a collection. I bought an engine from him last week for the Gold Wing and it is great; clean and lo mileage and his price was better than anybody by $400. No u-pick. He pulls all the parts so his quality stays high. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 16:34:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09726; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16171; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24026; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18016; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bergie.erols.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCACBD.0695AC80@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:29:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCACBD.0695AC80@bergie.erols.com> From: Bergie Frazier Jr To: "'Tom Knapik'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Spark Plug Question Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:28:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs? Do they really improve performance or > is it all hype? I've tried the Split Fire plugs in both my '94 Trans-Am and my '95 ZX11, both with disappointing results. The performance gain was unnoticeable, and I dyno'd the car @ HyperTech in Memphis which proved there was no gain on my LT1 motor. My ZX11 was also dyno'd @ Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly with no measurable performance gains from the Splitfire plugs being installed. No loss in power, but also no gain. What I did get was a drained wallet from plugs that cost double vs. the stock replacements. Another note, I recently pulled the Split Fire plugs from my ZX11 during routine maintenance, and they were wasted after 7,500 miles. I can't say that's good or bad because I normally change plugs @ 7500 miles anyway, but I wouldn't expect them to last long. One plug had actually lost a small piece of ceramic material that encloses the core. Who knows what damage that may or may not have caused to my motor at this point it runs fine though.. Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 19 21:47:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12774; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21388; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29354; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA22721; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819214425_-2004340599@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: dcavil@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike humor Just saw this on Home Improvement: Segment on "The Man's Gym," included 1) A multi-gym with a padded leather armchair 2) A Row & Go ( Rowing machine with a toilet for a seat) And 3) my favorite, the Man's Exercise Bicycle. Tim whips the sheet off ... there's a *sweet* motorcycle underneath, all black and chrome (kinda like mine). He gets on and puts his feet onto the pedals that have been installed. "Three speeds!" he says, pedalling slowly. "Beginner rider," (speeding up) "Expert rider," (starting the bike) "Easy rider!" He drives off into the wings... this being Tool Time, there is a loud crash and flying bike parts. oh, well... I thought it was cute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 06:56:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA17074; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02373; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06403; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAD36.33C59FC0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Tom Knapik'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Spark Plug Question Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:56:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Tom, there a gimmick, don't buy them. Check out: http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/splitftc.html for more information. This is a copy of the document that is on the Federal Trade Commission home page. On to more important things... Anyone up for a ride this weekend? Brian and I are going to head somewhere. Haven't figured out the route yet though. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs? Do they really improve performance >or >is it all hype? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 09:13:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17897; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04348; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08258; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id JAD060.48; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:12:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970820083907.0092cc60@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:39:07 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Spark Plug Question In-Reply-To: <5040300004345976000002L062*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:04 PM 8/19/97 -0400, Tom Knapik wrote: >Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs? Do they really improve performance or >is it all hype? Hype. _Motorcycle Consumer News_ reported the Motorcycle Mechanic's Institute (MMI, the motorcycle school in Daytona) tests on the Splitfires. They ran a bike on the dyno, changed the plugs and ran the bike on the dyno again. The plugs made no difference. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 11:05:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19457; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06049; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10493; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:04:34 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852564F9.0052D00A ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:04:32 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: KLThomas77@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, philipa@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, saturnsr1@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, dotis@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, bsajim@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, engine14@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, jrduffy@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, larry_wilson@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mjhayes@XXXXXX, mducey@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, spak@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852564F9.0051ED88.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:04:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Labor Day Dirt Drags, UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Steve Beck@ISI 08/20/97 11:04 AM Rawlings is 8 miles south of Cumberland Maryland on Routh 220. The track is 1 mile south of Rawlings. It's about a 120 mile ride from the Northern Virginia area. You can also get additional information from the people that run the track at the following numbers: Wilbur Collins: 301-729-3532 or 301-359-9249, and the racetrack number is 301-729-6131. Steve- Where is it? Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 16:57:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25511; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15468; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21158; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA10734 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:56:43 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma010676; Wed, 20 Aug 97 16:56:15 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA16169 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA872110392; Wed, 20 Aug 97 16:53:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9708208721.AA872110392@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 11:28:13 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: rain.. rain.. rain.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who else is out there on 2 wheels? What do you do to keep your feet dry? I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet. I'm tired of squishing arround the office... Soggy rider, Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 17:21:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25763; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15675; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21695; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IMO5IXNNR495PYQ0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:23:13 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:16:14 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:16:14 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1267IZG3Q1NQ X400-MTS-identifier: [;41617102807991/1902801@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Who else is out there on 2 wheels? My rainjacket was at the office so I left the bike at home today... >What do you do to keep your feet dry? Totes boots. These come in both zip up and pull up versions. They work. >I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for hand >protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet. I don't trust the Aerostich on it's own... Maybe I just do a sucky job of using the spray on waterproofing. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 17:25:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25832; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15763; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21852; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27711 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.146.40] ([161.253.146.40]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA16201 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9708208721.AA872110392@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:25:19 -0300 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD" Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... You could do what I did today. 45 minutes in the rain. Jeans, t shirt, leather shoes... Go home whipped, take a hot shower, and took the truck for the rest of the day. Didn't go to ground though =8{ -charles ================================================================== Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD Department of Neurosurgery 4940 Ashby Street, NW George Washington University Washington DC 20007 School of Medicine (202) 337-0745 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue crosen@XXXXXX Washington DC 20037 Page: (202) 994-3321 Fax: (202) 994-9944 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 17:36:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25972; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15939; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22207; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA04825; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA27034; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:35:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA31355; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:35:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970820213520.AAA31355@localHost> I wear the "Combat Touring Boots" made by Sidi and distributed through riderwarehouse ($260). My feet stay exceptionally dry. You might try some of those rubber pull ons. I've seen them in dealerships and I think even at Sports Authority. I recall they were around $22-$30. Speaking of who's out there, I had a great ride in this morning at around 8:30am coming up I95 on the HOV. Saw one other rider (Silver ST1100...yess!) and hardly any cages. In fact of the 5 or so I saw, only two were non-violators. I95 proper though, well that's another story. Almost felt sorry for those parked saps. Todd...riding his '92 CB750 today Who else is out there on 2 wheels? What do you do to keep your feet dry? I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet. I'm tired of squishing arround the office... Soggy rider, Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 17:37:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25986; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16014; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22250; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: rain.. rain.. rain.... Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:37:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) There are stretchable boot or shoe covers made of thin rubber that you wear over your regular shoes. You should be able to find them in any cycle store. I think they're around $20-$30. I heard mixed reviews about them. Key point being your feet get hot & your shoes tend to skid in them when you put your feet down at traffic lights. I use the ones from Belstaff. They are made of that canvas type material and fasten with velcro, elastics & buttons. They have nothing on the sole so you use the grip from your shoes. > Brian McCoy wrote > I'm tired of squishing arround the office... > .....but at least they can follow your soggy footsteps around the office to find you. Amit CBR1000 > ---------- > From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 12:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: rain.. rain.. rain.... > > > Who else is out there on 2 wheels? What do you do to keep your > feet > dry? I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves > for > hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the > feet. > I'm tired of squishing arround the office... > > Soggy rider, > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 18:03:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26175; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16477; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22902; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:03:10 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA20795; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA09205; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:03:07 -0400 (EDT) To: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... In-Reply-To: <9708208721.AA872110392@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > > Who else is out there on 2 wheels? What do you do to keep your feet > dry? I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for I wear my Axo RC-3 motorcross boots. Keep my feet dry, offer WAY more protection if I do go down than any street boot made, and are perfect for kicking in the doors of BDCs when they almost cut you off. Cost about $225 in stores, or $175 mail-order. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 19:44:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27350; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17089; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mh004.infi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25359; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syswsb (pm1-31.richmond.infi.net [205.219.233.31]) by mh004.infi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11584 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708202344.TAA11584@mh004.infi.net> X-Sender: syswsb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bill Bernstein Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... I wear the "Combat Touring Boots" made by Sidi. Got em from Riderwarehouse. I keep a pair of "work only" shoes at work, so I don't have to wear the boots all day. I also have a pair of "totes", but have never used them, since I've never gotten my feet wet wearing the touring boots. And I do try to ride every day (except when there's ice on the road), so I've gotten caught in some real gully-washers. At 11:28 AM 8/20/97 -0500, you wrote: > > Who else is out there on 2 wheels? What do you do to keep your feet > dry? I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for > hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet. > I'm tired of squishing arround the office... > > Soggy rider, > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f > > > Bill Bernstein syswsb@XXXXXX '95 Daytona 1200 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 20 21:11:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28292; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18486; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz. by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27021; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.elkrun.nova.org by taz. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA18324; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:07:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... In-Reply-To: <9708208721.AA872110392@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII for three years now I have been using the $20 kmart rain slicker and a pair of totes for over the boots. this will get you through a commute, but severely underperforms on anything much longer then 30 minutes. I also use a fog shield, but let my gloves just get soaked. Good rain gear costs the big bucks. I dread falling down on a brand new $200 aerostich. Unless you are touring, combat rules apply in the rain. expect to fall over, expect to get wet. what matter is "can I see" and "can I stay dry enough to make it to my destination" Full size totes are great for the feet though.... slip on slip off.. On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > > Who else is out there on 2 wheels? What do you do to keep your feet > dry? I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for > hand protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet. > I'm tired of squishing arround the office... > > Soggy rider, > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f > > > -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 01:04:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00419; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21748; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00244; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:03:39 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA20688; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821010307_1817343034@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... I use Totes boots. Went thru hell trying to find them in Durham when I rode the VFR back from there in nonstop pouring rain and cold. Mine zip up the side. I'd like to find some that don't. I wear heavy hiking boots normally, and needed 2 or maybe 4 sizes larger than my shoe size to get them on. Helpful hint: put plastic bags over your shoes before putting on the boots. Much easier. The Totes were about $23 at a shoe store. I didn't notice any slipping or other problems. Heat wasn't an issue. later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 08:55:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03689; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28748; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05621; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAD081.23; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:54:48 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970821082750.009424c0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:27:50 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I've got a failry waterproof Aerostich, dish-washing gloves for hand >>protection, but nothing cheap, or even workable for the feet. > >I don't trust the Aerostich on it's own... Maybe I just do a sucky job of >using the spray on waterproofing. My old Aerostich is letting the water soak in, even with a recent application of Camp Dry. I think I'll try the NikWax wash-in waterproofing. Yesterday the crotch leaked, so it looked like I had an 'accident' once I got to work. Last night I got out the sewing machine and replaced a bunch of velcro on the suit (especially the crotch flap!). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 08:55:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03690; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28751; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05629; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAE081.23; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:54:51 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970821083303.00967ba0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:33:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... In-Reply-To: References: <9708208721.AA872110392@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I also use a fog shield, but let my gloves just get soaked. Good rain >gear costs the big bucks. I dread falling down on a brand new $200 >aerostich. An Aerostich costs a good bit more than that, but all it costs is money. Your body costs a heck of a lot more than that. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 08:59:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03709; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28784; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05690; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAC081.77; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:58:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970821085837.009557e0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:58:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Summer Ice ... Thud! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Summer Ice is the term I've heard for oil and water on the road, typically after a summer thunderstorm. It can be as slippery as wet ice. It hadn't rained in the Washington, DC, area for quite some time, but yesterday it rained all day. I noted on the way in to work that I could see the colorful swirls of oil floating on the rainwater. I carefully stayed in the wheel tracks, and kept my acceleration, braking, and turning limited to conserve traction. I figured after it had rained all day, the roads would be pretty clean. They were. But as I pulled into the gas station at about 5-10 mph, all of sudden I was on my side, with the motorcycle skidding away from me. I turned off the key and stood up ... and almost fell over, it was so slippery. And I was wearing my Vibram lug-sole hiking boots! I tried to pick up the bike, but couldn't leverage off the ground - my feet kept slipping away. I stood right next to the bike, and was able to lift it straight up and get it on its tires. I rolled it up the pumps and put it on the sidestand. I walked back to where I'd fallen. It was incredibly slippery. I took a couple brisk steps then stood still -- and slid about 5 feet. This was blacktop, downhill of all the pumps -- I guess I was in the drainage of all those gas and oil drippings. From the angle I had approached on the bike, the pavement looked clean. From beside the pumps I could look back and see all the oil on the pavement. I shuffled back to the bike. Minimal damage to the bike-- the engine guard took most of the abuse, saving the engine. The front turn signal broke the fairing. The mirror was okay. The rear saddlebag and top case just had some scratches. I hit on my right elbow and right knee, judging by the small scrape marks on my Aerostich. Both impacts were right where the armor is. I'm glad I switched to the hard armor they sell. It's a jungle out there ... ride smart, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 09:38:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04031; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29796; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06462; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.30A; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 9:37:40 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summer Ice ... Thud! Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Sound like a lawsuit to me! Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 10:12:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04341; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00223; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07258; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA10999 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821101118_-1503605900@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rain I rode yesterday. It sucked. I had to ride because I was scheduled for a drop-off for 600 mile tune. I bought a cheapo ($19) rain suit at Cycles USA last year and it worked wonders. My cuffs and boots got wet, but other than that, I was dry as a bone. I saw only one other bike on the road. I was on 495 north, the other bike was on the other side. I think it was a big Honda GoldWing or a Harley. The rain is over, and this weekend looks pretty fantastic. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 13:34:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06845; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02414; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13114; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAE36.85DD4870@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: V30 Interrogation, was RE: Spark Plug Question Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:31:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT Glenn, I see you have a V30 Magna. I saw one advertised for sale in the paper, an 85 I think. It sounds interesting, but I know little about them. I figure it's got two wheels and a seat, but after that, I'm clueless. So, if you don't mind answering a few questions.... It's a cruiser style bike, right? What's the displacement? Shaftie or chain drive? How does it handle twisties? Highway cruising? Fast bike or slow torquey cruiser? Two up cruising? Air or liquid cooled? Any Chrome? Any Plastic? What sort of gas mileage do you get? Is it easy to work on/maintain? Is it suitable for a shorter rider? (My wife will be the primary rider, she's 5'3"). What's your favorite color? What's the air speed velocity of a coconut laden swallow? Uhh, wait a minute, I'm getting carried away...forget those last two... Thanks for any info you can provide! Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? UJM To Be.... ************************ Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Has anyone tried Splitfire spark plugs? Do they really improve performance >or >is it all hype? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 14:15:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07487; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02682; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14486; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA03807; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA31714; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA23398; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:59:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Thomas Piergallini CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970821125945.AAA23398@localHost> <> Were did you find an aerostitch so cheap? I think I paid over $300 just for my Darien jacket. BTW, it is (by itself) better rain protection than any rainsuit/jacket I've ever worn. My full raingear now consists of a pair of OSI rainpants I pull on in preparation for the inevitable. These are a cheapy set ($20) that I've shorn up with Hip-Wader Repair goo in the crotch and hip seams (typical tear points). I'm already wearing everything else. Question: What is a good solution to keep my hands dry. I have seen the BMW Gortex gloves and have heard they are fairly weather proof. Any opinions? I don't think they'd work that great in winter. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 14:19:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07519; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02792; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14612; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA25955 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:19:15 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma025879; Thu, 21 Aug 97 14:18:52 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA00570; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA872187355; Thu, 21 Aug 97 14:15:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9708218721.AA872187355@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 14:15:01 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: V30 Interrogation, was RE: Spark Plug Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn's the best info on this, with exception of a few questions. I think those that ride with him would know a little better. The magna is a high performance cruiser - I.E. a standard. It's not layed back and cushy, but it's not a crotch rocket either. It has the 500cc Honda V-4 engine that lays out a bit of torque, with high end performance (I have the same engine in my VF500f). I'm not sure if most riders of the magna are like Glenn, but he can sure fly on that bike of his. Wait, maybe Glenn could have spoken for himself with all this anyway.... but, aww.. I felt like taking a brake from work anyway. :P Oh yea, and an African swallow, or........ Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f > >It's a cruiser style bike, right? What's the displacement? >Shaftie or chain drive? How does it handle twisties? Highway >cruising? >Fast bike or slow torquey cruiser? Two up cruising? Air or liquid cooled? >Any Chrome? Any Plastic? What sort of gas mileage do you get? >Is it easy to work on/maintain? Is it suitable for a shorter rider? >(My wife will be the primary rider, she's 5'3"). What's your >favorite color? What's the air speed velocity of a coconut laden >swallow? >Uhh, wait a minute, I'm getting carried away...forget those last two... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 14:29:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07649; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03150; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14900; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IMPDPU1UPS95QG70@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:29:52 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:27:38 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:27:38 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1444IZH33Y4K X400-MTS-identifier: [;83724112807991/1905298@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 > Question: What is a good solution to keep my hands dry. I have >seen the BMW Gortex gloves and have heard they are fairly weather proof. >Any opinions? I don't think they'd work that great in winter. I think someone mentioned this but... the yellow latex gloves they sell in the cleaning supply row of the local grocery store work. Find a size that fits over your gloves. This is my tactic for warmer months when I use the thinner gloves. For the colder months I've got hippo hand type thingies. These are big things that fit on the handlebars with velcro. They cover up your hands and about 8" of your forearms. Keeps the rain off and keeps the hands warm. Kirk 88 Hawk GT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 14:46:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07900; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03619; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15334; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id OAB106.79; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970821144700.00989a80@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:47:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... In-Reply-To: <19970821125945.AAA23398@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Question: What is a good solution to keep my hands dry. I have >seen the BMW Gortex gloves and have heard they are fairly weather proof. >Any opinions? I don't think they'd work that great in winter. The only thing I've ever found that's really waterproof is to use rubber gloves -- dishwashing gloves, chemical gloves, electrical gloves. Remember your hands still need something good like leather over them, so get the gloves big enough to go over your gloves. The biggest problem with rubber gloves is they're so damn hot, and you'll get damp just from perspiration and transpiration of water vapor. I've got several pairs of cloth overmitts, but they all leak eventually. Even Gore-Tex, with seams sealed, with a fresh coat of Camp Dry can't stay waterproof with 60mph rain hitting them. My current setup is to use the Gore-Tex overmitts, and put plastic bags inside them if I'll be riding more than about an hour in the rain. If it's warm out I don't mind my hands getting wet, the problem is the damn non-waterproof dye in the gloves, and that the gloves take days to dry out. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 14:47:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07906; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03692; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15408; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA21430 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199708211846.AA21430@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:46:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:44:01 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: V30 Interrogation, was RE: Spark Plug Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9708218721.AA872187355@smtplink.micros.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11Yypr00002Bl ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME I have an 85 Magna...I wasn't aware that in 85 Honda designated any bike except "Magna" (for the 700) and V65 Magna for the bored out 1100...I know that in 84 there was the V30, V45 and the V65 for the various cc displacement but in 85 I thought there was only two designations...anywho...yes the Magnas are _very_ fast...it's designated as a "cruiser" however, I never really had any problem keeping up with similiar cc size sport bikes...it handles well in the twisties but because of it's lower center of gravity (being more cruiser than sport bike), it can easilly scrape the pegs in really deep twisties... Btw..the 85 700's were all shafties as well as the V65's.... cheers, -aki > > Glenn's the best info on this, with exception of a few questions. I > think those that ride with him would know a little better. The magna > is a high performance cruiser - I.E. a standard. It's not layed back > and cushy, but it's not a crotch rocket either. It has the 500cc > Honda V-4 engine that lays out a bit of torque, with high end > performance (I have the same engine in my VF500f). I'm not sure if > most riders of the magna are like Glenn, but he can sure fly on that > bike of his. Wait, maybe Glenn could have spoken for himself with all > this anyway.... but, aww.. I felt like taking a brake from work > anyway. :P > > Oh yea, and an African swallow, or........ > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f > > > > > >It's a cruiser style bike, right? What's the displacement? > >Shaftie or chain drive? How does it handle twisties? Highway > >cruising? > >Fast bike or slow torquey cruiser? Two up cruising? Air or liquid cooled? > >Any Chrome? Any Plastic? What sort of gas mileage do you get? > >Is it easy to work on/maintain? Is it suitable for a shorter rider? > >(My wife will be the primary rider, she's 5'3"). What's your > >favorite color? What's the air speed velocity of a coconut laden > >swallow? > >Uhh, wait a minute, I'm getting carried away...forget those last two... > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 14:47:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07919; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03755; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cagw2.att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15416; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:47:17 -0400 (EDT) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com by caig2.att.att.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) id OAA26760; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:57:11 -0400 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA25908 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:45:30 -0400 Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAE41.19DA3790@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:47:08 -0400 Message-Id: Original-From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Honda 500 Interceptor Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:47:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone hears of any Honda 500 interceptors (or other 500's) for sale and they're in decent shape let me know. I have a friend who is just starting out and wants a decent bike for a reasonable price and is not interested in a "cruiser" type bike. Thanks. --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 14:55:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08074; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04363; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15754; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAE42.6824D490@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:56:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: V30 Interrogation, was RE: Spark Plug Question Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:56:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 73 TEXT Horkster, yes it is a cruiser style bike although you sit fairly straight up. I prefer to call the Magna's power cruisers because they have the Honda V4 engines on them like the Sabres and Interceptors. And as you can probably tell from the engine they are fast for cruisers. They are liquid cooled. They have a good amount of chrome. The only plastics I have are the side covers, rear cowl, and some misc. other parts. I get around 45 MPG no matter how I ride it. I would say its easy to work on except for medium to major engine work. The V design makes it hard to get even the valve covers off. But for routine maintenance they are a breeze. I would say the V30 is probably OK for a 5'3" rider. I'm about 6' and its a little small for me. I like the Black ones, bikes that is ;-). I'm no pro rider but I haven't had any problems in the twisties. There haven't been a big handful of people leaving me in them either. Its a chain drive. I think all of the larger Magna's are shaft drive, but not 100% sure. Some specs that i remember off the top of my head are 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.79. The V30 represents 30 cubic inches or 500 cc (actually its 498 cc). I think it has 62 hp at the crank @ 11,500 RPM. One other thing mine and I know Brian's 500 (he has the Interceptor) tend to run pretty hot on 85 degree days or hotter. I even have a fan override switch on mine and it still runs hot. Its never overheated but it does run hot. I think the bike weighs around 400 pounds dry. About the only other complaint is the tiny gas tank. It has I think about a 2.5 gallon or 2.9 gallon total capacity. It only has an on and off on the fuel switch. The bike automatically switches to the reserve tank when it gets below a certain level and then an idiot like comes on between the tach and speedo. If you happen to look at any other older V models beware that they have an oil problem. Alot of the older (don't know when the cutoff date is) Honda V engines didn't provide enough oil to the rear cams which could cause a cam failure. The engines that were effected were the 700 cc, the 750 cc, and the 1100 cc engines. I have had mine since 88 and haven't really had any real problems with it. Bought it with 3300 miles and it now has close to 25K. If I think of anything else I will let you know. Also I can go look at it with you if you would like. Thanx for the kind words Kirk and Brian. Oh, I have one other complaint, You can't get shit for after market stuff. About the only thing I have found is a K&N air filter. I just got rejected last week from Corbin when i asked them if they had a seat for my bike. So who else is going riding with Brian and I on Sunday? Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >I see you have a V30 Magna. I saw one advertised for sale in the >paper, an 85 I think. It sounds interesting, but I know little about them. >I figure it's got two wheels and a seat, but after that, I'm clueless. >So, if you don't mind answering a few questions.... > >It's a cruiser style bike, right? What's the displacement? Shaftie >or chain drive? How does it handle twisties? Highway cruising? >Fast bike or slow torquey cruiser? Two up cruising? Air or liquid cooled? >Any Chrome? Any Plastic? What sort of gas mileage do you get? >Is it easy to work on/maintain? Is it suitable for a shorter rider? >(My wife will be the primary rider, she's 5'3"). What's your favorite >color? What's the air speed velocity of a coconut laden swallow? >Uhh, wait a minute, I'm getting carried away...forget those last two... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 15:06:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08352; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04710; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16081; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAE43.F2B52190@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:07:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Aki.Damme'" Subject: RE: V30 Interrogation, was RE: Spark Plug Question Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:07:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 20 TEXT They made the V30 in 84 and 85, the only years it was made. The only difference I have been able to tell between the 2 years is the mirrors. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna (the taller mirrors) > >I have an 85 Magna...I wasn't aware that in 85 Honda designated >any bike except "Magna" (for the 700) and V65 Magna for the bored out >1100...I know that in 84 there was the V30, V45 and the V65 for >the various cc displacement but in 85 I thought there was only >two designations...anywho...yes the Magnas are _very_ fast...it's >designated as a "cruiser" however, I never really had any problem >keeping up with similiar cc size sport bikes...it handles well >in the twisties but because of it's lower center of gravity (being >more cruiser than sport bike), it can easilly scrape the pegs >in really deep twisties... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 15:12:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08447; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04895; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16249; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAE44.B7672290@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:13:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Aki.Damme'" Subject: RE: V30 Interrogation, was RE: Spark Plug Question Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:13:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT One other thing, I have never scrapped the pegs on my V30 and I have had it pretty low. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >in the twisties but because of it's lower center of gravity (being >more cruiser than sport bike), it can easilly scrape the pegs >in really deep twisties... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 15:26:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08723; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05483; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16621; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAE46.3C011960@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:23:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Honda 500 Interceptor Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:23:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT I found a couple in the Want Ads Weekly, a rag you can find in any 7-11 store in the area. $1.25 an issue, has motorcycles near the back, sorted by make. Good luck. Horkster ---------- From: jcarver@XXXXXX[SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 2:47 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Honda 500 Interceptor If anyone hears of any Honda 500 interceptors (or other 500's) for sale and they're in decent shape let me know. I have a friend who is just starting out and wants a decent bike for a reasonable price and is not interested in a "cruiser" type bike. Thanks. --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 15:29:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08748; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05598; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16733; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA00666 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:28:49 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma000618; Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:28:24 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA02113 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA872191529; Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:25:30 -0500 Message-Id: <9708218721.AA872191529@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:24:26 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Honda V-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Honda V-4's of infamouse cam problems were 83-86 for all bikes with the V4 configuration. The 500's were known for haveing noticably less problems with the cams though. The 86 VFR (not interceptor) was the first bike that the problem was solved in - otherwise it was 1987 before the change was made for all V4 engines. Glenn's dead on about the heat problem with the earlier (an all) V4's on most days. It's a blessing in the winter, and a curse in the summer... though the summer days aren't that bad as long as you're moveing along at a moderate clip (45 or so). Any other V4 questions? anyone.. anyone.. bueler. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 15:35:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08814; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05730; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16912; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA01056 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:35:19 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xmaa01049; Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:35:16 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA02316 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA872191941; Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:32:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9708218721.AA872191941@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:31:43 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair. Anyone care to join me? Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been to in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho or Washington..... (Yes, I'm a history geek too...) Ride safe, Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 15:59:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09074; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05978; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17547; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3fc9bb30; Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:49:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:40:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3fc9bb30@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: rain.. rain.. rain.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Question: What is a good solution to keep my hands dry. I have >seen the BMW Gortex gloves and have heard they are fairly weather proof. >Any opinions? I don't think they'd work that great in winter. Well, if you can ever get them, the folks who work in slaughterhouses use these really thick waterproof gloves. They are brightly colored and come in big sizes too. I have no idea where to find them, I saw s omeone with them once and have wanted a pair since. They are flat out decent rain wear. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 16:04:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09160; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06068; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17733; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAE4B.9C1E1A50@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:02:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:02:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 29 TEXT I've been wanting to check out the RF as well. Been down here over 5 years now, and never made it to one yet. I might have to work Saturday as well, but I was planning on going Sunday. Up for a ride then? Horkster ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 4:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? Hey, I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair. Anyone care to join me? Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been to in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho or Washington..... (Yes, I'm a history geek too...) Ride safe, Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 16:12:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09218; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06224; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18042; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000200.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.212]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA09654 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: <33FCA100.214092ED@digex.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:12:17 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rain.. rain.. rain.... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970821125945.AAA23398@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd B Peer wrote: >> I dread falling down on a brand new $200 aerostich.> > Were did you find an aerostitch so cheap? Apparently, if you give Aerostitch a call and ask what they have in their reduced price category or "imperfect" category (whatever it's called), you can get EXCELLENT prices on stuff. A friend of mine has bought a few things from them that way. He bought a two-piece in gray that had been used for a few hours in a photo shoot for about $200 off. -- WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 16:15:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09257; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06296; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18129; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IMPHF3K3Z495QEE9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:15:41 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:14:54 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:14:54 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: V30 Interrogation To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1459IZH3HTML X400-MTS-identifier: [;45416112807991/1905721@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Some specs that i remember off the top of my head are 0-60 in 3.9 >seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.79. The V30 represents 30 cubic inches or 500 >cc (actually its 498 cc). I think it has 62 hp at the crank @ 11,500 >RPM. Well, that would answer my question. The Hawk only makes 47 or so horsepower in stock setup. The 0-60 time's about 4 seconds, and the 1/4 mile about 13. On the other hand, my Hawk's no longer stock (up to 697cc from 647cc, perhaps as much as 65 hp if I ever get the jetting sorted). The low revving v-twin certainly has some disadvantages against a higher revving v-four. What's the torque like? I'd assume the twin has the advantage here. >Thanx for the kind words Kirk and Brian. No kindness intended, dem's just the facts. I can honestly say that I was suprised how well a 6', 200 lb (wild guess, apologies ahead of time) guy could get around on a little "cruiser". >About the only thing I have found is a K&N air filter. Well, while everything else imaginable is available for the Hawk, K&N filters aren't. You buy the Honda part or you ditch the airbox altogether. However, many manufacturers are discontinuing Hawk parts (i.e., even Two Brothers who started their business with Hawk racing/parts). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 16:16:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09271; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06349; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18173; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000200.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.212]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA09674 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: <33FCA216.FD3947A6@digex.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:54 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda V-4 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <9708218721.AA872191529@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > The Honda V-4's of infamouse cam problems were 83-86 for all > bikes with the V4 configuration. Check out Robyn Landers' moto-page for Honda V-4 info: http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/moto.html -- WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 16:22:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09365; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06509; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18364; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IMPHR4X9KG95QG1I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:24:13 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:26 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:26 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1460IZH3I0P2 X400-MTS-identifier: [;62616112807991/1905727@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 > I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking > a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair. Anyone care > to join me? Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been to > in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho or Washington..... (Yes, I'm a > history geek too...) > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f Bring a lot of cash. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 16:36:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09608; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06904; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18827; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAE50.00917280@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:33:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:33:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 26 TEXT Why lots of cash? Is it expensive to get in? Or is food/entertainment/beverages expensive? Or is there so much neat collectible/souvenir stuff that one feels compelled to empty the wallet? Please enlighten us, fellow biker dude! Horkster ---------- From: Kirk Roy[SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 4:16 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? > I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking > a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair. Anyone care > to join me? Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been to > in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho or Washington..... (Yes, I'm a > history geek too...) > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f Bring a lot of cash. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 16:52:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09763; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07062; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19308; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:52:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:47:37 -0400 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda 500 Interceptor How about a 450? Its a suzuki standard style bike twin cylinder, handles nice, looks kinda like an old cafe racer. Low milage and runs strong, could sell it for 800 or so. great starter bike. Sorry I don't know the model off the top of my head, but I can find out. The bike is in Silver Spring. sandy >>> 08/21 2:47 PM >>> If anyone hears of any Honda 500 interceptors (or other 500's) for sale and they're in decent shape let me know. I have a friend who is just starting out and wants a decent bike for a reasonable price and is not interested in a "cruiser" type bike. Thanks. --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 17:01:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09853; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07182; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19580; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IMPJ4C2KHS95P6DC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:03:06 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:55:08 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:55:08 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Renaissance Festival was Re: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1465IZH3N0O5 X400-MTS-identifier: [;80556112807991/1905838@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Why lots of cash? Is it expensive to get in? Or is >food/entertainment/beverages expensive? Or is there so much neat >collectible/souvenir stuff that one feels compelled to empty the >wallet? Yes. It's over $20 to get in. Some shows (jousting, "wrestling", etc) are "free" once you're in there. I recall there being some shows that cost extra but my mind is going at an early age... Food and beverages are typical prices for closed events (how much was that hot dog at RFK?). The collectible/souvenir stuff could probably be bought cheaper if you got a business card from the vendor that interests you and then you saw them in their shop. It seems like Festival prices are higher than normal shop prices for places I've been to. That might just be my impression though. Nicknack stuff will be tempting for some (including my wife). I would've liked some Scottish stuff in there as well since my own personal history interests me more than history in general. I can always go to a gathering of clans for that though... One of the things the Festival left me wondering was if pushed up boobs were such a big feature of Renaissance clothing. Seems to be popular for the maidens at the festival. Even the ones who'd ordinarily be quite demure... Maybe I just showed up on push up boob day? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 18:44:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12494; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09023; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24153; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s44.erols.com [207.172.110.107]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA05571; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970821184636.0cc7a520@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: , , From: Squeakers Subject: RE: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? At 04:02 PM 8/21/97 -0400, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >I've been wanting to check out the RF as well. Been down here over 5 years >now, and never made it to one yet. I might have to work Saturday as well, >but I was planning on going Sunday. Up for a ride then? > >Horkster > > I havent ever been to the RF out in Maryland, but Ive gone to the one that comes here in Fredericksburg for the last couple of years. Thats where my sweet hubby gets me my mothers day presents. (they're here for moms day) Last year I got my dagger and barbarian mask and claw collar and claw gloves and devil horns. The year before I got my spiked black leather widow makers and boot spikes and spiked choker. The mud wrestlers were a hoot, too. :) I LOVE that damn fair!! :) :) Oh, yeah..someone mentioned the big boob fest they seem to have. Well, haw! I looked into the stores that sell their clothes, and all they really do is use "cookies" (like the wonderbra ones) 'cept THEIR "cookies" are about three times the size of the regular ones. Makes even ME look like I got sumthin up there! love THAT, too! :) Not that Id ever admit that everything that sticks out aint all me, of course....... Next year I wanna get some spiked thingys that go on my legs and match the widowmakers. kewl! Horkster!!!! You work saturdays!?!?!?!? SHAME! Go HOME!!!! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 18:47:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12585; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09037; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24365; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:47:03 -0400 (EDT) From: SackcoD@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA20678 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821184436_1259218071@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: Summer Ice ... Thud! I had a similar experience many years ago on a rainy day pulling into a gas station where a coat of driveway sealant had been recently applied to the apron. I was turning as my front tire made contact -- more or less -- with the freshly sealed and very slippery apron. Just the little bit of side force that a 5 mph turn causes was enough to convince my front tire to take off. As I started falling the bike really shot out from under me -- by that time the rear tire had also found the frictionless surface of the apron. A mirror and a brake lever had to be replaced. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 19:23:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14181; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09457; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26825; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.30A; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:20:17 -0400 Message-ID: <42BEFC3301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:21:50 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Subject: MRF Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway I thought that the folks who dressed in costumes got in the gate for free, but I may be wrong. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 21:56:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15112; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11741; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from balzac.thomson.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29031; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AndyBren.charm.net (External30.teir.com [206.151.83.70]) by balzac.thomson.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16724; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33FCF2B2.43C5@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:00:18 -0400 From: Andrew X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need Bike Help in Bethesda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 1985 V65 Honda Magna is need of help in Bethesda. Here's the deal: A little while ago I had noticed her running a little hot, thought maybe the fanstat needed help, wasn't sure. Anyway, I was away for a bit and wanted to have the shop check out the cooling system. I went to fire her up to take her in and no go. No electricity whatesoever. I thought: OK maybe I left something on. It was not likely, as I park in a garage and would have noticed a light on. Anyway, I removed the battery and hooked up the trickle charge. Seemed to be ok, but I checked levels and left it on overnight. Hooked it on and no go. Now what? I hate to say it but I am pretty clueless on the electrical stuff. Called a guy who tows bikes (tilting flat bed) but he said he couldnt get the truck down my garage. I really need somebody who can look at the electricals on site. I am in Bethesda MD just outside of DC. The thing was.....the only big trip I have planned is coming up Labor Day, family reunion in Maine. I do NOT need this. Anyway I thought I would give you a shout since you were local. Feel free to pass this message along to anyone local. Yes, I would be happy to pay for anyone qualified to diagnose. I REALLY want to ride to Maine in about ten days! Any chance? If anyone knows who can help, please drop me a line. If not, that's cool. I thought it was worth a shot. Sign me: a Magna owner in need. Thanks. Andrew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 22:17:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15231; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12285; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29318; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA07676 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821221423_480916389@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: leather and BMW FS Hey, y'all I bought some used dead cow products (inedible) from Colleen, the leather goddess today. I circulated a list of her available stuff a while ago, but she can give you a current one. Lots of stuff, and IMHO, accurately described and fairly priced. I got a Roadgear Oregon Trail and some BMW pants for $351. That's less than the jacket alone costs new. The jacket is in very good shape, much better than my well used Firstgear TKO, and the pants will be great with a bit of conditioning. Actually, they're fine now. She is in Silver Spring and gives 10% off (I hope that's not a secret) if you come to her house. That way she doesn't have to pay shipping or worry that it won't fit and you'll return it. Email her at MotorLE@XXXXXX. She is very spam-conscious, so she won't post stuff. She is working on a web page, but I'm not allowed to give out the address until she's done. Colleen also has a very nice black 87 BMW R80 for sale for $3500. 27000 miles, I think. She's definitely a BMW nut. She has a special on some Harley type women's stuff, like boots, purse, and hat. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 23:10:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15501; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12702; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00098; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15657; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:05:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:45:53 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: V30 Interrogation, was RE: Spark Plug Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > I would say its > easy to work on except for medium to major engine work. And the one front spark plug is a pain to get to. > I like the > Black ones, bikes that is ;-). Nah,my old maroon one was much cooler. ;-) I owned both an '84 V30 and an '86 500 'Ceptor.Power/torque was pretty much the same between both of them(the cruiser didn't feel torquier),but then the '86 'Ceptor engine was tuned different from the '84/85 models.Both of them ran hot,but never overheated.I've heard of the cam problem in the 500's,but I never had any probs and never actually talked to anyone who has. BTW,if anyone is interested I still have my old Clymer manual laying aroung somewhere.It covers both the Interceptor and V30. Free to a good home(SASE if you want me to mail it to you). > So who else is going riding with Brian and I on Sunday? Where and what time?I just got back from leave and prolly missed it if you posted.E-mail me back. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 23:24:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15564; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12968; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00297; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15699; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:19:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:05:35 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Honda V-4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9708218721.AA872191529@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > The Honda V-4's of infamouse cam problems were 83-86 for all bikes > with the V4 configuration. The 500's were known for haveing noticably > less problems with the cams though. The 86 VFR (not interceptor) was > the first bike that the problem was solved in - otherwise it was 1987 > before the change was made for all V4 engines. Sorry to nitpick,but the cam prob was first solved in '85 with the VF1000R.If I really wanted to be pendantic,I'd also say that the '86 Magna was a VF and that there were two Interceptors(700 and 750). (Hey,it's a boring night at work.) > Any other V4 questions? anyone.. anyone.. bueler. Two "l"s in Bueller. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 23:49:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15696; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13068; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00736; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15777; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:44:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:38:16 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Need Bike Help in Bethesda To: Andrew cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <33FCF2B2.43C5@pobox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How old is the battery?They can get cooked by an over heated engine or even by a long trip. You could also have a dead cell in it.I had this happen to a battery when I was over in England.It would charge fine,but just would not fire up the motor. BTW,just in case,have you checked the fuses?(Always a good idea when t/s'ing electrical probs.) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 00:05:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16123; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13960; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01078; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA27381; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id AAA26653; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708220405.AAA26653@clark.net> To: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 21 16:26:33 1997 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? > I've got to work Saturday afternoon, but I'm thinking about taking > a fairly short ride over to the Renaissance (sp?) fair. Anyone care > to join me? Should be fun if it's anything like the ones I've been to Bring a lot of cash. And beware of psychos... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 06:50:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA18919; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19980; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05819; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAEC7.992EFE50@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Andrew'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Need Bike Help in Bethesda Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:50:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT Andrew, I agree with Gil on this. I have had batteries that I thought were in good shape and then just die on me while I was riding or when I stopped to get a drink then the bike wouldn't start again. I'd replace the battery if its over a year old and if you haven't maintained it well. good luck Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX >---------- > >Now what? I hate to say it but I am pretty clueless on the electrical >stuff. Called a guy who tows bikes (tilting flat bed) but he said he >couldnt get the truck down my garage. I really need somebody who can >look at the electricals on site. I am in Bethesda MD just outside of >DC. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 09:16:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19800; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21286; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07673; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAEDB.B90E1530@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:13:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Saturday - ride/enjoyment? Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:13:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 33 TEXT Squeakers, Boy, do I want to party with you!!!! :-) Horkster ps: Trust me, the Saturday work thingie is definitely not a voluntary deal. I've got better things to do with my time. At least I get paid for it, unlike some salary positions. ---------- Squeakers the Evil Temptress wrote: ...Last year I got my dagger and barbarian mask and claw collar and claw gloves and devil horns. The year before I got my spiked black leather widow makers and boot spikes and spiked choker. The mud wrestlers were a hoot, too. :) I LOVE that damn fair!! :) :) Oh, yeah..someone mentioned the big boob fest they seem to have. Well, haw! I looked into the stores that sell their clothes, and all they really do is use "cookies" (like the wonderbra ones) 'cept THEIR "cookies" are about three times the size of the regular ones. Makes even ME look like I got sumthin up there! love THAT, too! :) Not that Id ever admit that everything that sticks out aint all me, of course....... Next year I wanna get some spiked thingys that go on my legs and match the widowmakers. kewl! Horkster!!!! You work saturdays!?!?!?!? SHAME! Go HOME!!!! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 09:24:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19880; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21353; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07828; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA00643; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:24:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA24393; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:24:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA31136; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:24:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "Adams, Bill" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Subject: Re: MRF X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970822132401.AAA31136@localHost> I thought that the folks who dressed in costumes got in the gate for free, but I may be wrong. You are. Sorry. Friends and I used to attend the event in MD as far back as when it was held at the Merriweather Post. I seem to recall it being a much more gawdy/rowdy/loose good time then. Seems since, the event has really gone commercial, with more people dressed in everyday clothing than costume. I'm not bitching about it since the organizers clearly saw the $$ potential of Mom/Pop and kids and grabbed it. I just think the whole thing has been watered down. You can still get some pretty cool artifacts (some Squeakers mentioned and more), but thats how I feel about it now. Just a closed flea market. Oh, one other thing. If you plan to go in costume, you will be shunned by the paid performers that roam the grounds. They tend to be a clique that would prefer that 'they' are the only ones who dress up. And you will still pay full price. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 10:14:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20414; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22169; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08905; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAEE3.DA4CD990@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: Looking for a bike to buy Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:12:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT All, Having just sold my wife's bike, we are now in the market for a late 70's-early 80's 600-1000 or so cc cruiser-style bike in decent shape. Having lost my patience with Yamahas, I'm now concentrating on Kawasaki LTD's or Honda Custom type bikes. Bike must run and be more or less complete. Good looks a plus (gotta keep the wife happy. :-) Is there anyone out there in Net-land who has one of these bikes sitting quietly in their garage/shed, unused and wanting a new home? My wife will be the primary rider, and she is rather short of inseam, but she can handle bikes of 750cc or larger quite easily. We are located in the Northern Virginia area, and are willing to travel a couple hundred miles or so for the right bike. Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (mine, too tall for her anyway) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (even taller than the LTD) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 10:26:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20539; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22297; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09188; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA08126; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822102535_264174712@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help us move? FREE FOOD! John - please pass this along to CAMS.... Hello everyone! Moving day is finally here.. well, on Monday. Jon and I need to get our stuff from storage into a truck. This wasn't a problem going *into* storage, but I just had knee surgery and will be pretty much useless. (*HEY!* I heard that!) 1) We don't have a lot of stuff. Jon can do it all, really, except for couch, desk, bed, and of course MY BIKE! 2) I'll buy lunch and your beverage of choice. 3) My knees will be eternally grateful. Please call me at Mom's (703) 352-7740, or page me at (703) 515-4264. BTW - location is Merrifield (50 and the Beltway in VA). THANKS SO MUCH! Sharon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 11:48:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21687; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24150; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alumni.umbc.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11527; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pverst1@localhost) by alumni.umbc.edu (8.8.5/Alumni) id LAA08316 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: The Flying Dutchman Message-Id: <199708221550.LAA08316@alumni.umbc.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MD Ren Fest, reprise. Kirk Roy said: * * It's over $20 to get in. Some shows (jousting, "wrestling", etc) are "free" * once you're in there. I recall there being some shows that cost extra but * my mind is going at an early age... * * Food and beverages are typical prices for closed events (how much was that * hot dog at RFK?). * * The collectible/souvenir stuff could probably be bought cheaper if you got * a business card from the vendor that interests you and then you saw them in * their shop. It seems like Festival prices are higher than normal shop * prices for places I've been to. That might just be my impression though. * Nicknack stuff will be tempting for some (including my wife). * Well, only 12.95 at the gate (11 for seniors, 5 for kids). Of course, there's a web site, :) You're right-on about closed-event food and beverage prices, though, more frequent patrons are more likely to be "forgiven" some co$t$ than are others. :) Don't get much free beer at RFK, no matter how many United games you attend. :) * One of the things the Festival left me wondering was if pushed up boobs * were such a big feature of Renaissance clothing. Seems to be popular for * the maidens at the festival. Even the ones who'd ordinarily be quite * demure... Maybe I just showed up on push up boob day? * Basically, pushed-up-boobs were fashionable. And so were larger [men and] women. Guess you must be rich if you could afford to eat so much food. More muscular types were more often laborors or soldiers. While I'm not a Renaissance Fashion Maven (RFM?) by *any* means, it was cool to learn, while researching my costume, that "... tights are only to be worn by men of approving legs. Those too thin or obese must be more generously covered." or something to that effect. Anyway, every day is push-up-boob day. >:p In other news, I really don't think there's any "attitude" from the actors towards those who dress up. They'll more likely engage you in converstaion than someone in modern clothes, but nothing "superior." At least, they've never dared put off such a 'tude w/me! :) Then again, when I'm not [commercial plug] selling hats at the Madd Hatter (located near Market Stage, by the Joust) I'm usually in a monk's robe. L8r, P8r. pverst1@XXXXXX =;) "Tao k'o Tao fei ch'ang Tao (Tao called Tao is not Tao)" - Lao-tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 12:28:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22675; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26715; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12849; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21413 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id MAA02414 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708221628.MAA02414@clark.net> Subject: Motorcycle parking in Arlington To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:28:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit People in my building have recently been having a problem, and I'd like to get feedback, experiences, advice, whatever may help out. I work in Arlington, near the Virginia Square metro. Several of us in this building have been parking our motorcycles out on the street next to us. There is metered parking, but we would park after the metered space, and before the driveway to a bank. We've been able to fit 3 bikes in this space. I personally have been doing this for 2 years, and I've seen others doing this before I got a motorcycle. I've asked several meterpersons if this was all right. They said as long as we were not in the metered spot, there was no problem. As I said, we've been doing this for a long time, and I've never heard any complaints. Cars and trucks have moved in and out of the metered spot with no problems, and we weren't blocking the driveway to the bank. Then, all of the sudden yesterday I received a ticket for parking in an unpaid meter. I don't know if there was a car in the space at the time the ticket was written, but still it should have been obvious that I was not parked at that particular meter. I flagged down a passing meterman (what are these people supposed to be called anyway???) and asked him about it. He called it in to the main office, adding in his personal comment that he didn't see any problem with the motorcycle where it was. The office told him to take the ticket back, but told me that I really shouldn't park there. This morning I parked in another location, but two other motorcycles parked in this same area, and I now see that they both have tickets. I told one of the riders about it before hand, but he didn't think it was going to be a problem. He's now going to try calling the parking office. So what have been your experiences with these situations? It was not marked "No Parking" It was clearly outside of the range of the meter (according to all of the meter people I've spoken too). In fact there used to be a white line painted to mark the end of the meter-zone, and we always parked our bikes outside of the line. It has since faded and not been repainted. And there is not much room on other parts of the street to park our motorcycles, unless of course we pay the full meter price of an automobile (even though we can get 4-5 bikes in that space). Any comments? Thanks, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 13:42:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23482; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28394; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14991; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA13613 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA28830 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA15757 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Rain Gloves X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970822174144.AAA15757@localHost> Thanks everybody for the rainglove suggestions. Especially Dave Choat who suggested slaughter house gloves. Wow 8=) I think the best/basic setup must be those playtex style gloves that would fit snug to your leather. Problem then becomes getting them on over the leather. So we turn to Lab Safety Supplies. Searching for gloves I find black neoprene gloves (lined or not) that are about $8 a pair. They also have the Latex Overboots in different sizes at about $5 a pair. Go to: http://www.labsafety.com/ Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 17:14:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26449; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02152; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21549; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA30840; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:14:20 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15637 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA24081 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:14:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:14:16 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles Subject: Apexes anyone? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If the weather is nice this weekend, anyone feel like doing a sporty ride out to the moutains? I don't have a route in mind, completely open to suggestions, something twisty. "Pace" type riding only. No contests and no racing. You ride within your skill level, and ride smart. This message isn't only for sportbike pilots. I have ridden with some of you out there on cruiser and standards that can ride the pants off most of the racer-wannabees. Anyway, if anyone wants to, email me direct and I'll try to set up a meeting place that works for the group. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 20:08:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28181; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04557; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24982; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as5s25.erols.com [207.172.152.216]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06784 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708230013.UAA06784@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Rain Gloves Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:44:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz... Todd B Peer writes: > Thanks everybody for the rainglove suggestions. Especially Dave Choat > who suggested slaughter house gloves. Wow 8=) ...ZZZ--snork//huh? Wha? Guess I slept through the glove part of the rain thead... :-} An excellent idea that I've yet to follow up on (from another list and reputed as an excellent solution) is kayaking gloves. They supposedly have relatively long gauntlets that you can pull up and over the wrist cuffs on your rainsuit, give you good tactile feel of the controls and (duh!) are quite waterproof. Abrasion resistance might be questionable, but hopefully with a wet road the coefficient of friction will be substantially reduced anyway. You probably can't find a pair that fit over heavy leather gloves. Mr. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 21:21:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28594; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05088; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26177; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:20:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA08559; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822211950_-1603203121@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: rain.. rain.. rain.... If you're willing to spend the money, check out a local dive shop and ask them what they wear to keep their hands warm and dry in the cold water. (A good "dry suit" costs >$1200, and the gloves are extra). Just a suggestion. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 21:23:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28605; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05103; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26241; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.37.3.149] (1Cust117.tnt1b.tco2.da.uu.net [208.255.151.117]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08816 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708221628.MAA02414@clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:23:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Motorcycle parking in Arlington snip >to us. There is metered parking, but we would park after the metered >space, and before the driveway to a bank. We've been able to fit 3 bikes >in this space. I personally have been doing this for 2 years, and I've >Then, all of the sudden yesterday I received a ticket for parking in >an unpaid meter. snip I used to work downtown near the Gallery metro. There were 2 bicycle racks at each end of the park in front of the library, adjacent to the Portrait Gallery. There was a group of about 8~10 bikes that parked there daily, locking to the rack. As with your experience, we parked there for several years with no problem. Then some metercow got a hair up their ass and started ticketing us- $100 for parking on the sidewalk. I got 6 over the next year. I fought the first 2 tickets, never won any of them, but did get the fines reduced. The thought occured to me that I was loosing more money taking time off work than was being deducted from the face value of the ticket. I finally quit paying them, and eventually returned the tag. About a year later, I re-registered the bike with no problems. This was about 8 years ago. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 22 23:56:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29427; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05822; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28254; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCAF56.EE01E0C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Alan Lapp'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle parking in Arlington Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:56:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT That's definitely the secret in DC for anyone that gets parking tickets on a regular basis. Replace your tags! The "hot list" the parking dummies walk around with only has tag numbers. Don't know if this works in VA or MD though. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >I finally quit paying them, and eventually returned the tag. About a year >later, I re-registered the bike with no problems. This was about 8 years >ago. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 23 00:06:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29878; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06552; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz. by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28397; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.elkrun.nova.org by taz. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA22586; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:03:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:46:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Motorcycle parking in Arlington In-Reply-To: <199708221628.MAA02414@clark.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Years ago I received this exact same ticket in arlington and refused to pay it. 2 years later they were still able to track me down. 3 years later the fine was taken from my refund check for virginia state income taxes. Strangely enough I received a notice for the fine this past spring, and coward that I am, finally paid it. Then two weeks later I got the notice that the fine had also been removed from my refund. As my time is worth $200 an hour to me, I was not about to waste the time straightening this out. Two weeks ago I got a refund check from Arlington for the double payment of the fine. Will wonders never cease. -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 23 00:17:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00036; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06973; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz. by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28559; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.elkrun.nova.org by taz. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA22614; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:15:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Alan Lapp'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle parking in Arlington In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > That's definitely the secret in DC for anyone that gets parking tickets > on a regular basis. Replace your tags! The "hot list" the parking > dummies walk around with only has tag numbers. Don't know if this works > in VA or MD though. > > Glenn Dysart > DysarGB@XXXXXX This is a serious facinating idea. At what mass of tickets should one trade in ones tag? Do realize that when the day comes and you get pulled over, you will probably go to jail? Undesireable, but a small price to pay.... The best solution is to have nothing to do with any of these dens of satan (arlington and DC). Move away. Get another job. Get away from this hell hole that we are all living in. The battle is lost for us motorcylists. Course the last time I advocating violence against evil safety officials, it started a month long thread, so I am not going to advocate now accidentally leaving treadmarks on the foreheads of any and all parking cows. Ahh, nothing like a late friday night and a few beers.. -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 23 08:55:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02453; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10384; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02751; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA20296 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:53:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-19.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.51) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma020288; Sat Aug 23 07:53:28 1997 Message-ID: <33FF0721.68AA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:52:01 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle parking in Arlington References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez, and I guess your meters arent still a nickel an hour like the few that exist out here are. No seriously, there used to be MC parking only spaces down in Crystal Drive, but of coursew they took that away for the almighty dollar. the amount of money taken in by those meter maids is ridiculous. I dont know if theres an ABATE or some Club chapter in the Northern Virginia area that might want to take up the cause, but it wouldnt hurt to work on the County board/County managers office to try and get some motorcycle parking spaces. Use the efficiency / environmentally friendly argument and it might actually work.(Heck it worked on HOV) But it will take some time and effort. In all honesty moaning to the PD wont make a heck of a lot of difference, the County Board and County Manager are the people to go through, they effectively run the place, and they hate anything that resembles bad publicity, so even getting it into Dr. Gridlock in the Post would help some, then send the articles to the appropriate places. Just my .02$ HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 23 09:30:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02612; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calvin.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10489; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by calvin.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15051; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:29:30 GMT Message-Id: <199708231329.NAA15051@calvin.cs.umd.edu> X-uri: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~iniquity To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: iniquity@XXXXXX Subject: My first accident(and I wasn't even there) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:29:30 -0400 From: Joe Siegrist I left my '83 Honda Nighthawk in the motorcycle parking lot here at maryland yesterday. When I came out to ride home I noticed my right handle bar was now facing straight up in the sky. It was bent quite badly, the little dent in the tank is now about 3/4 of an inch deep and across andd my rear break pedal was not mobile. Luckily aparently the College Park Police witnessed the accident and left me a note. I found out that a tractor-trailer backed over the edge of the front tire. I was able to pull the rear gear shift lever out enough to be useable and push the right handle bar down enough to make riding uncomfortable but possible. But I'm wondering if the metal gets weak from all this bending and if I should have the handle bars replaced. I have insurance information and this guy's home phone (He wants to pay for it out of his own pocket because he has a CDL and is afraid of losing his job apparently..) Does anyone have any suggestions on a good place to take this (hopefully near by?) Dealing with insurance companies? What to replace? (handle bars? tank?) Thanks in advance, Joe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 23 09:56:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02712; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10587; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03261; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-055.m4-1.ham.acc.ca (ppp-055.m4-1.ham.acc.ca [142.154.80.55]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26817 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ppp-055.m4-1.ham.acc.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BCAFAB.221C9C20@XXXXXX>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCAFAB.221C9C20@ppp-055.m4-1.ham.acc.ca> From: Stephen To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: My first accident(and I wasn't even there) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:56:47 -0400 Encoding: 62 TEXT Joe: IMHO, you should take the bike to a dealer, have them replace _all_ the bent stuff, and do a complete inspection of the bike. Don't forget to include a tune-up in the 'inspection' ;-). Give _a copy of the bill_ from the shop to the truck driver. Also ask him for an extra 10-20% for your inconvenience, and etc. etc. Act real casual. If he turns tail, and thinks you're asking too much, act real casual, and so okay, doesn't matter to you, you're sure his insurance company will pay so either way you're going to get you're money. The key is to keep your cool, don't say anything derogatory about the guy no matter what he says or does (take a friend as a witness - just in case), and take his money. At least he wasn't an asshole about trying to deny everything. Could've been worse. When that happened to my bike, no-one saw, and I ended up out-of-pocket. I don't know how you parked, but ever since that time, I *always* park my bike so that the back of the bike is lined up with the back of all the other cars. Never leave the front of the bike exposed. Stupid blind cagers who try to run over your bike are going to do *way* less damage if they bump the back vs. the front. Stephen Dobson -----Original Message----- From: Joe Siegrist [SMTP:iniquity@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 1997 9:30 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: iniquity@XXXXXX Subject: My first accident(and I wasn't even there) I left my '83 Honda Nighthawk in the motorcycle parking lot here at maryland yesterday. When I came out to ride home I noticed my right handle bar was now facing straight up in the sky. It was bent quite badly, the little dent in the tank is now about 3/4 of an inch deep and across andd my rear break pedal was not mobile. Luckily aparently the College Park Police witnessed the accident and left me a note. I found out that a tractor-trailer backed over the edge of the front tire. I was able to pull the rear gear shift lever out enough to be useable and push the right handle bar down enough to make riding uncomfortable but possible. But I'm wondering if the metal gets weak from all this bending and if I should have the handle bars replaced. I have insurance information and this guy's home phone (He wants to pay for it out of his own pocket because he has a CDL and is afraid of losing his job apparently..) Does anyone have any suggestions on a good place to take this (hopefully near by?) Dealing with insurance companies? What to replace? (handle bars? tank?) Thanks in advance, Joe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 23 20:39:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06536; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14699; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10229; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as19s19.erols.com [207.172.36.146]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11240 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970823203911.0071fe30@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:39:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Sunday Riding??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey there all. Forgive me if something has already been planned. I just got back from a two week vacation in OK and haven't had a chance to weed through all of 200 some odd messages. The wife says that I can go riding tomorrow so her and our son can get re-acquainted after the break. SO...Anyone up for a spirited ride tomorrow morning? I'd like to get all the way out to the mountains, but I'm open to anything. Bryan??? Alan??? Anyone???? Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 23 21:33:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06957; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16682; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10970; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA11331 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:32:52 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma011323; Sat, 23 Aug 97 21:32:50 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id VAA29682 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA872386210; Sat, 23 Aug 97 21:30:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9708238723.AA872386210@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 21:28:33 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Ack.. transformation of a sportbiker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoa.. something strange happened to me today. I'm sitting peacefully on the couch reading the newest Cycle World mag. I turn the page and start reading about Polaris' Victory cycle. I'm loving the lines, and look of the bike. I'm wanting to settle myself on its seat and go ride down Skyline Drive. Gads, I'm thinking about not being a rice jocky (well, not true.. cause my current bike is track-bound). Maybe it's old age that's setteling in on me, I mean... you know, 23 is almost that time when I should start slowing down, and taking my time with everything. Well, maybe not, but this bike appeals to me. The $13K price tage doesn't do much for my hip pocket, but I'm considering looking into one when they start making it into production full-time in about a year. Who knows, maybe I'll own a cruiser yet.... Thoughtfully.... Brian bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 24 09:05:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10927; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21979; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17265; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:04:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA27468 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970824090406_-568139549@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ack.. transformation of a sportbiker In a message dated 97-08-23 21:37:43 EDT, bmccoy@XXXXXX writes: >Maybe it's old age that's setteling in on me, I mean... you know, 23 is >almost that time when I should start slowing down... Gawd! I hope not!! Is this what I have to look forward to when I get old??? Michael (52 next birthday) Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 24 12:46:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11910; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22640; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19157; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA19893 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from combustion ([128.164.160.134]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA25909 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708241646.MAA25909@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: Ack.. transformation of a sportbiker Why don't you just buy a barcolounger while you're at it? Take up golf. And remember to take your GeriTol every morning. *8-) Mike 1990 CeeBeeOne _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 24 16:22:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13497; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24111; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21954; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s52.erols.com [207.172.110.115]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05767; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:21:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:21:52 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970824162416.22677ea8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Brian McCoy", From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Ack.. transformation of a sportbiker > > Maybe it's old age that's setteling in on me, I mean... you know, 23 is > almost that time when I should start slowing down, and taking my time > with everything. > > Brian bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f > Tell ya what everybody. If someone holds the youngun down, Ill be happy to beat him. Old... 23.... uhuh..... slowin down.... Squeakers- already seen 23. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 24 18:22:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14190; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24995; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23369; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id SAA03949 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:20:58 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma003947; Sun, 24 Aug 97 18:20:46 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id SAA04859; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA872461094; Sun, 24 Aug 97 18:18:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9708248724.AA872461094@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 18:16:54 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Ride report - Sunday, Aug. 24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings once again fellow e-mail/net enthusiasts, Well, people are finally getting back from late summer vacations and wanting to get in some awesome rriding. so a ride was planned, rather quickly I might add, for the D.C. area. All was well, I show up at the person I was organizing with at 9am... only person there. We wait round for 40 minutes, and finally take off to see if someone's at our meeting area. We spot another rider I know going into the parking lot... well, to make it short, a total of 9 people showed up - everything seemed to be represented: Honda - 84 Magna V30 86 VF500f ?? CBR9 Yamaha - ?? FJ1200 98 YZF1000 Suzuki - 93 GSXR750 Kawi - ?? ZX11 Aprilia - ?? 250 It was a fairly slow pace heading out (west on 50 from near Tysons (I think)).. and we could not win with the trucks.. we'd get by one, and another would turn on at the end of the straight, right before a curve. We ended up stopping and hanging out at the bottom of a road going over Skyline Drive for a few minutes, then headed up... only to have the FJ lowside through a moderate right-hander - with the Magna following almost in his footsteps. I was right behind these two gents, watched a rear tire light up, then looked through the corner and kept going till I could slow it down and turn around. Ends up that the FJ lost traction on the rear (guessing he was cranked over far enough to get the peg to level him off the road), lowsided with the bike landing on his ankle (again, speculation) when either broke it, or sprained it... I've yet to hear on this. The Magna just target fixated, he was following the rear tire of the FJ and just panicked. The FJ was pretty much toasted, and the Magna dented the tank, broke the clutch and bent the handlebars (that's about it). He also tore his leg open pretty nicely. This was probably because of the guardrail - the overlapping piece must have caught his leg, and dug in. Anyway, this was all happening in a bad corner, and we weren't about to try and move anyone. Cars were coming up the way we had just come.. tires squealing - thankfully none had old tires that lost traction and spun out into our little gathering. We also had some people up the road on the otherside letting cars know to slow it down (cornerworking on a non-race weekend again - sheesh). The gent on the Magna (my friend BTW) felt he could ride home with no problem if he had a clutch lever.. which was graciously donated by the FJer. a little modification to the level, and it fit pretty well. We then took off to go get some gauze, tape, and antibacterial stuff. Pretty much rode it easy the rest of the way back. I just came from his place, and he was on the way to a clinic to have the cut looked at, and probably stitched. Such a perfect day for a ride - it was maybe 70~75 degrees out, low humidity, all the riders were good (no squids), and something happened. Sorry it had to happen, but my friend's convinced on protection now (he was in jeans), and the FJer was probably saved a lot of skin damage by his gear. I hope everyone else made it through the day after that. If anyone on the DC-cycles list knows how the FJer is doing, I'd like to know. Once again people, lets ride safe out there... ok? Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 24 20:46:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15067; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25681; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25029; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA02334; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv7-15.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.143) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002313; Sun Aug 24 19:44:37 1997 Message-ID: <3400FF38.3C17@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:42:48 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX, "harley@XXXXXX" Subject: Hagerstown Speedway Grand National Dirt Track Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well had an absolutely great weekend and absolutely perfect weather to Ride in, Anyway, I met 11 other riders Saturday afternoon at 4 pm and after getting a quick bite to eat, Ran up to the Hagerstown Speedway for the AMA Grand National Dirt Track Series. All I can say is it was GREAT!!!! If you have not had the chance to attend one of thes events you really have to take the opportunity. First off the show in the parking lot was an event in itself, with an incredible variety of bikes and riders to watch. The races themselves were great, lots of bar to bar competition that although I've watched plenty of times on Speedvision, theres nothing like being there. I could probably go on forever about this, but I'll keep it brief. Although it was great seeing Racers like Steve Moreland, who celebrated his 42 nd birthday the day of the race staying competitive, Hell even Springsteen is 40 , so maybe there hope for me yet.;) Anyway Ride free, Ride Safe, HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 24 21:39:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15358; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25884; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25623; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12001 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancelot.campus.vt.edu (as2511-12.sl020.cns.vt.edu [128.173.35.167]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA28870 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970824213650.006a7adc@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: mrubinst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:36:50 +0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mitch Subject: Back to school. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I'm back here at Virginia Tech. Where the roads are fast and twisty through the blue ridge mountains. So I'll be signing off from DC-Cycles mailing list until next summer. However, if ever you all figure out when the dc-cycles get together is going to be, please e-mail me personally. I head back to the DC Area quite often and just might be able to make it. Have a good 9 months and keep the rubber side down. (unless of course you hit a slick spot turning into a gas station and can't help it) Mitch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 25 09:19:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20380; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00357; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04148; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01869 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708251322.JAA01869@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Sunday Crash Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:12:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I hope everyone else made it through the day after that. If anyone > on the DC-cycles list knows how the FJer is doing, I'd like to know. We all made it back home fine, and Tom (FJ1200) who wrecked is also back home and okay. Rich (900RR) and I (ZX11) went to the hospital with him and he was there for several hours getting X-rays, etc. Although in a neck brace and foot in a temporary cast, he's in good shape and attitude no worse for wear, he's ready to go back out as soon as his bike is repaired or replaced. Turns out that nasty foot injury is torn ligaments, nothing is broken though. The protective clothing (leather jacket, gloves, AGV boots, and protective riding pants with soft pads (not leather pants) made the critical difference in preventing major injury in this accident. His pants wore though in several places, including the knee & knee pads, where minor scapes on his right knee and leg resulted. Without those pants he would have probably been in much worse shape resulting from that slide. IMHO if he had actually been wearing leather pants he would not even have a scratch given the same circumstances. His gloves saved his hands, worn completely through on one palm. Leather jacket scraped and slightly torn, but not beyond repair, still in decent shape. Helmet barely touched the ground, with a slight scratch on the face shield where he ended up touching the guard-rail at slow speed, without that full face helmet, he probably would have seriously damaged his face (not that he's not ugly enough already!) :0) After leaving the hospital we went back to the scene where the other riders were still waiting for a truck to load the bike up and bring down the mountain. After loading, made a stop in Sterling for some riding, and then on to Tom's house to drop off his smashed FJ1200. Ops, have to go, more later.. Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 25 09:50:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20652; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00860; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04698; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id JAD123.39; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:48:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970825092318.009703d0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:23:18 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ride report - Sunday, Aug. 24 In-Reply-To: <9708248724.AA872461094@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > It was a fairly slow pace heading out (west on 50 from near Tysons (I > think)).. and we could not win with the trucks.. we'd get by one, and > another would turn on at the end of the straight, right before a > curve. We ended up stopping and hanging out at the bottom of a road > going over Skyline Drive for a few minutes, then headed up... only to > have the FJ lowside through a moderate right-hander - with the Magna > following almost in his footsteps. I was right behind these two > gents, watched a rear tire light up, then looked through the corner > and kept going till I could slow it down and turn around. > > Ends up that the FJ lost traction on the rear (guessing he was > cranked over far enough to get the peg to level him off the road), > lowsided with the bike landing on his ankle (again, speculation) when > either broke it, or sprained it... I've yet to hear on this. Sounds like Rt. 211, going up Thornton Gap. One of the first few right hand turns is an uphill, blind, decreasing radius turn. Easy to get caught there if you're riding faster than you can see. Sorry to hear about the wrecks. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 25 11:03:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21613; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02201; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from urchin.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06599; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com by urchin.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00608; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:03:24 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:58:32 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.16] by dclink.com with smtp id AKDKBCCO ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:58:18 -0500 From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: Parking in Arlington Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:01:42 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.136.13360@207.168.31.16 Louis wrote : So what have been your experiences with these situations? It was not marked "No Parking" It was clearly outside of the range of the meter (according to all of the meter people I've spoken too). In fact there used to be a white line painted to mark the end of the meter-zone, and we always parked our bikes outside of the line. It has since faded and not been repainted. -------------------------------------------------------------- Well I would get some paint and paint the line that used to be there and maybe that would solve that problem, or maybe get a sign posted that says motorcycle parking? just a thought. Ck Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 25 23:28:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00246; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11268; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24596; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA12011; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:27:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708260327.WAA12011@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vie-va18-04.ix.netcom.com(204.32.176.196) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma011864; Mon Aug 25 22:25:10 1997 From: "Paul Douglas" To: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: Re: Ack.. transformation of a sportbiker Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:27:19 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCB1AE.6E80EC60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCB1AE.6E80EC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm glad to see that at least one sportbiker might consider moving over into the slower lane and enjoy the scenery on a cruiser. Taking curves at 50 and sitting straight up on a big twin isn't a bad way see the world go by. Besides, your tires last longer. I saw the Polaris, and it looks pretty sweet. Nice enough to tempt allot of crotch rocket types. Although the price is pruddy steep for a new-comer in the motorcycle market. Maybe after they get production up and running they will try to match the prices of the Jap cruisers. But then, maybe not. Paul Douglas 95 Intruder V1400 ------=_NextPart_000_01BCB1AE.6E80EC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm glad to see that at least one = sportbiker might consider moving over into the slower lane and enjoy the = scenery on a cruiser.  Taking curves at 50 and sitting straight up = on a big twin isn't a bad way see the world go by.  Besides, your = tires last longer.  

I saw the Polaris, and it looks pretty = sweet.  Nice enough to tempt allot of crotch rocket types. =  Although the price is pruddy steep for a new-comer in the = motorcycle market.  Maybe after they get production up and running = they will try to match the prices of the Jap cruisers.  But then, = maybe not.  

Paul Douglas
95  Intruder V1400

------=_NextPart_000_01BCB1AE.6E80EC60-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 03:13:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02239; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 03:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA13342; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 03:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28043; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 03:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA04530; Tue, 26 Aug 97 03:13:07 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 26 Aug 97 00:14:02 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 26 Aug 97 00:13:37 -0008 Received: from cda0-10.iea.com by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23); 26 Aug 97 00:13:27 -0008 Received: by cda0-10.iea.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCB1B3.4C390980@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:02:09 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCB1B3.4C390980@cda0-10.iea.com> From: Bruce Breidfjord Dimon To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'Brian McCoy'" Subject: RE: Ack.. transformation of a sportbiker Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:44:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> in about a year. Who knows, maybe I'll own a cruiser yet.... In two years he will be eating ice cream at the Dairy Queen with a bunch of Gold Wingers! ASSIMILATION IS INEVITABLE! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! BWHAA-HA-HA-HA Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX GL1500 Wing for Go, Not for Show! Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (It's Core-duh-lane, Eye-duh-hoe) Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 11:54:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05528; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18143; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05914; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 402f9b10; Tue, 26 Aug 97 11:43:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: <402f9b10@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Alert - Cancellation To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Attention Crimestoppers- Due to some unforseen scheduling conflicts, I will NOT be able to host a dc cycle scrumfest at my place on September 13th. It was (I thought) an open date. My sincere apologies for any inconveniences. God willin' and we able, there may be a rescheduling. Dave Choat 1.301.422.8946 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 12:20:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05903; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18643; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06778; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA22579 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:19:36 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022533; Tue, 26 Aug 97 12:19:28 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA02568 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA872612250; Tue, 26 Aug 97 12:17:31 -0500 Message-Id: <9708268726.AA872612250@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 97 12:16:34 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Alert - Cancellation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit booo... hsssss... booooo.... I need some scum in my life, and I ain't gonna get it. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 12:36:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06109; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19085; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07240; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB21C.D4247A00@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:37:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Alert - Cancellation Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:37:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT So what's the plan guys and gals. Are we re scheduling it or is someone else going to host it? Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna (recovering) > > Attention Crimestoppers- > > Due to some unforseen scheduling conflicts, I will > NOT be able to host a dc cycle scrumfest at my place > on September 13th. It was (I thought) an open date. > > My sincere apologies for any inconveniences. God willin' > and we able, there may be a rescheduling. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 12:46:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06221; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19332; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07450; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA11787 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB21D.D7DCAA90@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:44:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Brian McCoy'" Subject: RE: Alert - Cancellation Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:44:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, Brian ... that would be scRum. But, hey, if it works ... Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 1:16 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Alert - Cancellation > > > booo... hsssss... booooo.... > > > I need some scum in my life, and I ain't gonna get it. > > > > Brian > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 13:18:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06532; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20247; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08344; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:18:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA15788 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970826131531_-1469820435@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ligament repair (no MC content) For Todd and others who have damaged ligaments (and farings), I offer the following information -no guarantees, of course, just info :-) Prolotherapy is a newer, alternative treatment for people with lax ligaments and tendons. Basically, an injection inflames the tissue and spurs a healing reaction. The tissue knits back together stronger than before. The injection itself is a nutrient solution that feeds the repair. Ideally you go for a series of shots, each pretty mild. Since Dr. Rind only had one shot (ha ha) at me, he really socked it to both my knees and an ankle. OUCH! Too soon to tell if it's worked for me, but my dad is extremely pleased with his results. In case you're wondering if I know what the hell I'm talking about, I'm a certified Personal Trainer. My mother is a Nurse Practitioner (btwn RN and MD) and used to work for Rind. She is now also a Doctor of Naturopathy. She says the prolotherapy is good stuff. :-) Dr. Rind is one of the few people in the DC area doing this - he is very alternative and is an Osteopath on top of his MD. *Very* talented guy. He is at the Health Management Institute, 11140 Rockville Pike, Ste 550, Rockville, MD (301) 816-3000. He doesn't know I'm posting this, but I think it's a better idea than orthoscopic surgery - less invasive, less expensive, and frankly, the ortho didn't work for me. Email me if you have any questions!! Sharon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 17:20:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10114; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25083; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15329; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA00977 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.146.40] ([161.253.146.40]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA13029 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:19:52 -0300 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD" Subject: Re: ligament repair (no MC content) >For Todd and others who have damaged ligaments (and farings), I offer the >following information -no guarantees, of course, just info :-) > >Prolotherapy is a newer, alternative treatment for people with lax ligaments >and tendons. Basically, an injection inflames the tissue and spurs a healing >reaction. Injury causes local inflamation, why injecting additional material would be helpful is not clear. Inflammation involves the activity of enzymes, proteins which eat other proteins. This is followed by scarring, a process by which fibroblasts lay down a disorganized matrix, usually of very limited strength. Limiting inflammation usually improves healing. > >Ideally you go for a series of shots, each pretty mild. Since Dr. Rind only >had one shot (ha ha) at me, he really socked it to both my knees and an >ankle. OUCH! Series of shots always bother me. You just need one more... and at what cost. > >Too soon to tell if it's worked for me, but my dad is extremely pleased with >his results. Arthroscopy has been proven to work in large clinical trials. The successes far outway the failures. > >In case you're wondering if I know what the hell I'm talking about, I'm a >certified Personal Trainer. My mother is a Nurse Practitioner (btwn RN and >MD) and used to work for Rind. She is now also a Doctor of Naturopathy. She >says the prolotherapy is good stuff. :-) > My training is limited to a B.A. in biology, a M.S. in cell biology and neuroscience, a Ph.D. in neuroscience and developmental neurobiology, a M.D. from New York University (AOA-top 1%) and now have completed 4 out of 7 years in Residency for Neurosurgery. (Not to be egotistical, but I think my training trumps the Doctor of Naturopathy) >Dr. Rind is one of the few people in the DC area doing this I Believe this. >. He is >at the Health Management Institute, 11140 Rockville Pike, Ste 550, Rockville, >MD >(301) 816-3000. He doesn't know I'm posting this, but I think it's a better >idea than orthoscopic surgery - less invasive, less expensive, and frankly, >the ortho didn't work for me. Who did it? Private Practice Doc or Major Academic Doc. Anybody want recommendations, I know several dedicated and highly qualified orthopaedic surgeons. All who have completed over 10 years of intense training and education. > >Email me if you have any questions!! Ditto. > >Sharon Sorry Sharon, but I have seen many people hurt by "alternative medicine". Some such as acupuncture have excellent track records and years of research behind them. Others are designed to make certain individuals very wealthy. Futhermore, I myself perform none of the above procedures and have nothing to gain from people having or not having any of the above procedures. I hope this does not start a major flame war, sorry for the total lack of MC content. Anyway she started it Nah, nah =8-P regards, charles ================================================================== Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD Department of Neurosurgery 4940 Ashby Street, NW George Washington University Washington DC 20007 School of Medicine (202) 337-0745 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue crosen@XXXXXX Washington DC 20037 Page: (202) 994-3321 Fax: (202) 994-9944 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 17:59:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10477; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25846; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16236; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:58:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: ligament repair (no MC content) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:58:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > My training is limited to a B.A. in biology, > a M.S. in cell biology and neuroscience, > a Ph.D. in neuroscience and developmental neurobiology, > a M.D. from New York University (AOA-top 1%) > and now have completed 4 out of 7 years in Residency for > Neurosurgery. > > This is all good, but more importantly can you ride a motorcycle? Just kidding :) Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 19:59:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13289; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28496; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21447; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA02264 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:58:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-21.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.53) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002231; Tue Aug 26 18:57:32 1997 Message-ID: <3403970C.D60@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:55:08 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Alert - Cancellation/Sheneandoah valley Mustang Club Car/Bike Show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone interested, on something else to do that date, the Shenandoah Valley Mustang Club is holding a Classic car, Mustang and Motorcycle show at Jim Barnett Park in Winchester on Saturday evening 9/13. For those who dont know the park is just off Rt 50 in Winchester, just W of I 81. I understand that this is their first year for bikes, but theyve always had a beautiful collection of classic cars in previous years. HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 26 23:29:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14954; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00391; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24975; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15714; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:23:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:15:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Warning:Bear Alert! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, Just figured I'd give everyone a heads up on the latest doings of the local constabulary.Yesterday on the Beltway I saw an unmarked car on the MD side that I never would've tagged for a cop;an old blue Dodge van.The lights were concealed in the grill and I didn't see any extra tell-tale antennas.Keep an eye out folks,they're getting sneeky. Also on the subject,going east on Rt50 just off the Beltway(@5:15pm) I saw a guy on a black cruiser w/black jacket and helmet pulled over by a MD State Trooper.Anyone here? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 08:17:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18674; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03905; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01101; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:17:11 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256500.0043D21D ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:20:47 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: crosen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256500.004360C9.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:20:40 -0400 Subject: Re: ligament repair (no MC content) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I hope this does not start a major flame war, sorry for the total lack of MC content. Ok Charles. I guess we can forgive you, as long as you have a motorcycle that is. ;-) Steve Beck, Motorcycle rider Planet Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 11:02:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20492; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05442; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04487; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IMXK5TUJ9C95RIVN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:01:04 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:54:18 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:54:18 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Twisty moto ride this Saturday To: DC Cycles , jsg717@XXXXXX, Greg_Drazek@XXXXXX, paladin@XXXXXX, cfaison@XXXXXX, cakewalk@XXXXXX, "MARKN3VRH%aol.com%internet )"@mr.cder.fda.gov, Jstanford@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1402IZN2CIYU X400-MTS-identifier: [;81450172807991/1916976@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Yo, I'm planning on heading down to the US33/US250 twisties this Saturday. If anyone wants to come along just let me know. It's a bit less than 450 miles out and back for me from College Park. I realize it's a holiday weekend but...the rides must go on. The express route (interstates) or the scenic route (VA647, VA511, US211) to and from the twisties can be decided upon by anyone who shows up. Get together something like 9:00am at the rest stop on I-66 (or at my house a bit earlier for those to the NE). Let me know if you're interested. Kirk *** Kirk Roy '88 Hawk GT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 11:16:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20696; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05528; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04785; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA00885 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:15:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA19932 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA10618 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:15:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Tires/Again! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970827151539.AAA10618@localHost> I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire. Conversation with Coleman Powersport: Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 C: Got it in stock, $145 Me: Does that include Install? C: Talk to service. Me: Wait, are there any discounts for AMA? C: 10%, brings it to $130.50. Hold for Service. Me: (waiting for about 20minutes). C: Service. Me: If I bought a tire there, how much to mount? C: $27.50, basic charge includes balancing. Me: Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there? C: That is the discount. Me: How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel? C: $47. Me: What!!?..forget it..(click) Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories: Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 Art: Don't have it but can get it. Me: How much with mounting and balancing? Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164) Me: Can't you come down a little on that? Art: That's a good price. Me: Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in? Art: I won't do that. Gotta buy it here. Me: Not even for $27? Art: Nobody does that! Me: Nice not doing business with you! ..(click) Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire, have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140. Chapperal sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100. That seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee). What I would prefer is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable price. Any help is appreciated. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 11:28:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20919; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05670; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05002; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:28:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:28:01 -0400 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires/Again! Call Meyers Cycle in Kensington MD and see what they charge, I have had them mount tires on rims and I didn't buy the tire from them, can't remember the price. sandy 87 hurricane 600 85 Virago 1000 >>> Todd B Peer 08/27 10:56 AM >>> I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire. Conversation with Coleman Powersport: Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 C: Got it in stock, $145 Me: Does that include Install? C: Talk to service. Me: Wait, are there any discounts for AMA? C: 10%, brings it to $130.50. Hold for Service. Me: (waiting for about 20minutes). C: Service. Me: If I bought a tire there, how much to mount? C: $27.50, basic charge includes balancing. Me: Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there? C: That is the discount. Me: How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel? C: $47. Me: What!!?..forget it..(click) Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories: Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 Art: Don't have it but can get it. Me: How much with mounting and balancing? Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164) Me: Can't you come down a little on that? Art: That's a good price. Me: Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in? Art: I won't do that. Gotta buy it here. Me: Not even for $27? Art: Nobody does that! Me: Nice not doing business with you! ..(click) Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire, have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140. Chapperal sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100. That seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee). What I would prefer is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable price. Any help is appreciated. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 11:31:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20977; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05710; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access5.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05053; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jeffp@localhost) by access5.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA14767 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Poretsky Message-Id: <199708271531.LAA14767@access5.digex.net> Subject: Re: ride on 8/31 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:31:00 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" at "Aug 27, 97 11:16:00 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > what better way to finish out the month of aug than with a cams ride! > > as usual, we'll meet at the silver diner on west ox rd in fairfax for > breakfast from 0800-0900. [for the new cams, here are directions: > beltway to i-66w. exit rt 50 west and go <1 mi to west ox road SOUTH > exit. go through about 3-4 lights and the diner will be on ur left. > u'll have to make a left turn on fair lakes drive to get into the pkg > lot.] > I'd love to join the ride, but some !@#$% who at least left his insurance info backed into my bike IN THE PARKING LOT!!! where it usually is parked. So I now have no left turn light, no left mirror no clutch lever and the glass in my faring is gone. AAARRRGGGHHH!!! JeffP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 11:35:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21018; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05788; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05192; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA11269 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB2DD.1F6B1800@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:34:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Todd B Peer'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Tires/Again! Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:33:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Freestate in Bladensburg, MD (near College Park). They mounted my last set of tires, and I found them to be the cheapest in the area. They wouldn't match mail order prices of course, but came down a good bit from their first price. A BIG difference from Coleman's price. FWIW, I have used Freestate for tires, and factory services, and find them worth the drive. Also, aren't you in Springfield? Have you tried the Cycle Sport down by you? Later, chris BTW, Freestate's number is 301.779.0800 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Todd B Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 10:56 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Tires/Again! > > >I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire. --snip-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 11:35:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21034; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05803; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05207; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB2DD.78E6A7F0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Todd B Peer'" Subject: RE: Tires/Again! Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:36:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 68 TEXT Todd, tire buying for bikes sure does suck doesn't it? > > >I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire. > >Conversation with Coleman Powersport: > >Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 >C: Got it in stock, $145 >Me: Does that include Install? >C: Talk to service. >Me: Wait, are there any discounts for AMA? >C: 10%, brings it to $130.50. Hold for Service. >Me: (waiting for about 20minutes). >C: Service. >Me: If I bought a tire there, how much to mount? >C: $27.50, basic charge includes balancing. >Me: Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there? >C: That is the discount. >Me: How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel? >C: $47. >Me: What!!?..forget it..(click) > > Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax Coleman mounted mine that I bought from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse for $28 just about a month ago. Cycle Sport in Springfield also quoted me the exact same price. Maybe you got an idiot on the phone. > >Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories: > >Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 >Art: Don't have it but can get it. >Me: How much with mounting and balancing? >Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164) >Me: Can't you come down a little on that? >Art: That's a good price. >Me: Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in? >Art: I won't do that. Gotta buy it here. >Me: Not even for $27? >Art: Nobody does that! >Me: Nice not doing business with you! ..(click) > > Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax Art's a nice guy when you get to know him but he rapes people for tires. I swore I wouldn't buy another one from him but I might have to when I start doing test fits for radials on my bike. I don't know why he doesn't want to make an extra buck mounting someone else's tire. > > Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire, >have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140. Chapperal >sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100. That >seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it >to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee). What I would prefer >is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable >price. Good luck on this one. Your best bet is to just order the thing and call Coleman on another day or just go to Cycle Sport in Springfield to have it mounted. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 11:46:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21149; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06756; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inside.sinai-balt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05472; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c2smtp.sinai-balt.com ([21.120.5.36]) by inside.sinai-balt.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07399; Wed, 27 Aug 97 11:45:27 EDT Received: from fonger-portable.sinai-balt.com (21.120.60.104) by c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (Connect2-SMTP 4.20A.00001E1); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:44:24 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970827115005.0069072c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:50:05 -0400 To: "Todd B Peer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Tires/Again! In-Reply-To: <19970827151539.AAA10618@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:56 AM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire, >have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140. Chapperal >sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100. That >seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it >to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee). What I would prefer >is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable >price. > I faced the same problem with my ZX-11 trying to put on a new pair of Battlax's. Basically, all the places add a significant surcharge when you don't buy the tire at the place. I was so annoyed, I decided to buy the tires mail order from a place I had previously had a very good experience with, then having them mounted at Cycles USA in Kensington. The bigger tragedy was that I only had about 2000 miles on the tires when I picked up a nail in the rear. There was just something about going >120 mph on a plugged tired that unsettle me. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 12:14:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21428; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08286; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06263; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA28458 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ltanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id MAA09262 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:12:57 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCB2E2.8DC237C0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: "Linda J. Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:12:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to get in touch with someone I met briefly last week 8/19 evening in the HOV lanes of 395 when we both stopped to help a disabled Harley. His name is Jim (I think) and rides a BMW with the tag of 'NO CAR'. If you are on this list please contact me directly. Or if you know of him let him know that I'm looking for him. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 13:11:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22095; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08678; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07503; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:08:05 -0400 Message-ID: <524F043401BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <0925043401BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:10:01 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Tire mounting Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Are you installing it on a tube or tubeless rim? Take the wheel off, come on over to my house and we'll have that pup mounted in about ten minutes. Screw the dealers, they know just where to put in the needles. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 13:26:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22238; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09222; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07894; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mist_bravo (aln-63-219.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.219]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA27265; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3404631E.97534340@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:25:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd B Peer , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tires/Again! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970827151539.AAA10618@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you considered doing it yourself? A set of spoons from Coleman was under $20. I got some weights at Fast Lane Cycles for a few bucks more. If you have painted wheels, you might need something to keep from chipping the paint. Since it sounds like you don't want to pay anyone else to do it, try it yourself and see if it's worth it to have someone else do it. If you don't feel comfortable the first time, bring it by, along with some beer and I'll be happy to supervise while you do the work. Leon. Todd B Peer wrote: > I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire. > > > Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire, > have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140. > Chapperal > sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100. That > seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it > to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee). What I would prefer > is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable > price. > > Any help is appreciated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 13:27:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22257; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09277; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07937; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA01820 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:26:27 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma001795; Wed, 27 Aug 97 13:26:09 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA22454; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA872702656; Wed, 27 Aug 97 13:24:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9708278727.AA872702656@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 13:21:39 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: Tires/Again! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Freestate does have good prices on mount&balance - personaly, I buy my tires through the Motorcycle Shop in College Park and have them do the mount & balance bit for me.. I can usualy keep it arroun $100 with them (I've good relationship with them, several hundred spent there.. they give me cost on tires, and about 10-15 on mount and balance). I think that you're pretty much going to pay a premium at a shop the first several times you shop there... as you become more familiar, the prices become a bit flexable.. and when everyone knows you when you walk in, the prices become as low as they get... (talking local shops here). To each their own, and as always YMMV Ride safe, Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Tires/Again! Author: "Todd B Peer" at smtplink-micros Date: 8/27/97 10:00 AM I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire. Conversation with Coleman Powersport: Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 C: Got it in stock, $145 Me: Does that include Install? C: Talk to service. Me: Wait, are there any discounts for AMA? C: 10%, brings it to $130.50. Hold for Service. Me: (waiting for about 20minutes). C: Service. Me: If I bought a tire there, how much to mount? C: $27.50, basic charge includes balancing. Me: Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there? C: That is the discount. Me: How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel? C: $47. Me: What!!?..forget it..(click) Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories: Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 Art: Don't have it but can get it. Me: How much with mounting and balancing? Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164) Me: Can't you come down a little on that? Art: That's a good price. Me: Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in? Art: I won't do that. Gotta buy it here. Me: Not even for $27? Art: Nobody does that! Me: Nice not doing business with you! ..(click) Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire, have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140. Chapperal sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100. That seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee). What I would prefer is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable price. Any help is appreciated. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 13:38:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22406; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09990; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcgw1.att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08283; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:38:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com by kcig1.att.att.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) id MAA29424; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:29:13 -0500 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA02960 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:38:09 -0400 Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB2EE.AF2F8960@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:39:47 -0400 Message-Id: Original-From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tires Again ---$$$$ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:39:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can/would anyone explain to me why such high $$$$ for motorcycle tires? Is it liability? Higher technology than car tires? (It's definitely less rubber) Anyone? --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 13:39:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22415; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10001; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08305; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB2EE.C46894C0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:40:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire mounting Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:39:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT Hey I like the list the more I read. We now have a free tire mounting service ;-) Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Are you installing it on a tube or tubeless rim? >Take the wheel off, come on over to my house and we'll have that pup >mounted in about ten minutes. Screw the dealers, they know just where to >put in the needles. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 13:43:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22475; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10131; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08448; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 40464d20; Wed, 27 Aug 97 13:33:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:46:35 -0400 Message-ID: <40464d20@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Tires/Again! To: dc-cycles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Last time I had tires done by The Dirt Shop it was 25.00 per tire. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Tires/Again! From: "Todd B Peer" at ddn Date: 27/8/1997 10:56 AM I need to purchase and have mounted a new front tire. Conversation with Coleman Powersport: Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 C: Got it in stock, $145 Me: Does that include Install? C: Talk to service. Me: Wait, are there any discounts for AMA? C: 10%, brings it to $130.50. Hold for Service. Me: (waiting for about 20minutes). C: Service. Me: If I bought a tire there, how much to mount? C: $27.50, basic charge includes balancing. Me: Is there any discount for purchasing the tire there? C: That is the discount. Me: How much do you charge if I bring in my tire and wheel? C: $47. Me: What!!?..forget it..(click) Total to buy and mount at CS: $158 + tax Conversation with Art at Rider Accessories: Me: Need an ME33 110/80v-18 Art: Don't have it but can get it. Me: How much with mounting and balancing? Art: $137 for the tire, $27 to Balance. ($164) Me: Can't you come down a little on that? Art: That's a good price. Me: Ok, How much to mount a tire I bring in? Art: I won't do that. Gotta buy it here. Me: Not even for $27? Art: Nobody does that! Me: Nice not doing business with you! ..(click) Total to buy and mount at RA: $164 + tax Can somebody tell me where in the DC area I can get this tire, have it mounted (I'll bring the wheel) for around $130-$140. Chapperal sells them for $90 and w/shipping it will be just over $100. That seems like a fair price for the tire, and If I have to, I'll take it to CS for mounting (paying close to double fee). What I would prefer is to find a local dealer/outlet that can do it all for a reasonable price. Any help is appreciated. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 14:30:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23069; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11290; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09873; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 4046ef40; Wed, 27 Aug 97 14:16:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:28:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4046ef40@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Tire mounting To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I agree, dealers know exactly where to put the needles... David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten) It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: Tire mounting From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" at ddn Date: 27/8/1997 1:39 PM Hey I like the list the more I read. We now have a free tire mounting service ;-) Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Are you installing it on a tube or tubeless rim? >Take the wheel off, come on over to my house and we'll have that pup >mounted in about ten minutes. Screw the dealers, they know just where to >put in the needles. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 14:56:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23334; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11744; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10658; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:53:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3364043401BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <5E4F043401BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:56:16 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles), Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd B Peer) Subject: Re: Tire mounting Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Here's how it goes. Old tire is dead, so we don't really care about it. You want to protect the rim from damage. Work on a piece of plywood so that you aviod dinging the rim. Deflate the tire completely, pressing out all the air that you can. Next, get a block of wood, about 1x2x12" and a mallet. Place the wheel so that the rim is firmly supported, you may need to block it up w/ 2x4s. Use the wood block and mallet to bang the bead off the seat and into the groove. Flip wheel and do same to other side. Tire is loose on rim. Using a wide pry bar, or better yet, tire spoon...work the tire off the rim, one bead at a time. Toss tire in the tipper, or save it for lawn art. Make up a solution of dish soap and water. Wet the rim and the tire. Install one bead of tire on rim, be sure its in the groove. Use tire lever gently if necessary. Repeat for side two. Go to the gas station and use the air compressor to inflate the tire. It will pop itself onto the seats. Now you can have it balanced. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 15:20:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23641; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12065; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11385; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goddardj ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id PAA08669 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34047D9D.C5038C6A@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:18:54 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire mounting X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3364043401BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have three bike tires unbalanced and know of 5 bikes with unbalanced tires. We have never had any problems. one bike has seen track use the other has seen !65 mph (indicated). We have never had any shaking. What is the point of balancing? Adams, Bill wrote: > Here's how it goes. Old tire is dead, so we don't really care about > it. > You want to protect the rim from damage. Work on a piece of plywood so > > that you aviod dinging the rim. Deflate the tire completely, pressing > out > all the air that you can. Next, get a block of wood, about 1x2x12" and > a > mallet. Place the wheel so that the rim is firmly supported, you may > need > to block it up w/ 2x4s. Use the wood block and mallet to bang the bead > > off the seat and into the groove. Flip wheel and do same to other > side. > Tire is loose on rim. Using a wide pry bar, or better yet, tire > spoon...work the tire off the rim, one bead at a time. Toss tire in > the > tipper, or save it for lawn art. > Make up a solution of dish soap and water. Wet the rim and the tire. > Install one bead of tire on rim, be sure its in the groove. Use tire > lever gently if necessary. Repeat for side two. Go to the gas station > and > use the air compressor to inflate the tire. It will pop itself onto > the > seats. Now you can have it balanced. > > Bill Adams > 3D Artist/Animator > '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, > '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: > "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 16:57:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24982; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14356; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14079; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA19784 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17355 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB9052 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:56:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Tires/Again!..Thanks X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970827205616.AAB9052@localHost> ..To everyone who responded. I called Fast Lane, Meyers, and other suggested locals and the best deal I found was with Cycle Accessory Discounter 301-977-7188. $115 - Tire $ 15 - Mount. $130 - Total Not bad. But they're in Gaithersburg >:{ So, I went ahead and ordered from Chaparral @ $97 in the mail, and will attempt to do the mounting myself. The verdict is still out on balancing though. Seriously, is there any need to balance wheels? Thanks again Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 16:57:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24986; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14353; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14074; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA10910 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:56:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17125 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA9052 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:56:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Big Labor Day Weekend. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970827205616.AAA9052@localHost> And if you have the time and nothing to do....... Anyone interested in going to the Rawling Dirt Drags this weekend for Saturday night races and camping? The event is 8 miles south of Cumberland Md. on Route 220. We will be heading out from my house Saturday morning @10am sharp, and will be heading back sometime on Sunday. I live in W.Springfield VA, so if you live on the way, we'll stop by and pick you up. Email me directly if'n yer interested. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" - Hans Hass From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 19:19:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26629; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15981; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18077; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA20886; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA18077; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:18:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.91]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA2827; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:18:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles , st1100 Subject: Electrics X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970827231804.AAA2827@localHost> Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches, leds, etc.. I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker switch with a 1"x1" face plate. The switch is _not_ water proof as I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed, allowed current draw and drained the battery). Web Sites? Places close to DC Area? Thanks, Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 20:17:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27024; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16611; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18854; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA01154; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:16:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv2-02.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.66) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001001; Wed Aug 27 19:16:27 1997 Message-ID: <3404ECB2.EEA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:12:50 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: "ivank@XXXXXX" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Alert - Cancellation/Sheneandoah valley Mustang Club Car/Bike Show] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ivan, About 15 miles N of Winchester, Between Inwood and Summit Point HDKnight Ivan S. Keefer wrote: > Hey Ken, > > I live about 12 miles west of Winc., where are you? > > Seeya down the road... > > -- > Ivan S. Keefer > Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) > ivank@XXXXXX > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) > 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) > AMA # 487634 International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 29 > Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 20:41:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27154; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17656; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout24.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19205; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout24.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA27340; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970827203858_-1301708411@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires Again ---$$$$ In a message dated 97-08-27 13:45:14 EDT, you write: << why such high $$$$ for motorcycle tires? >> John- Tires for modern sport and sport/tour motorcycle are very high tech and very high performance. Compared to tires for a new Corvette or Porsche, motorcycle tires are cheap. Ultra hi performance car tires are $200-$500 each. And BTW, the car tires may not last much longer than ours. 2000-6000 miles for rear tires on the Acura NSX, 6000-10000 for Porsche 911. Motorcycles are harder to get the wheels off of than cars. The people that do the work should be much more knowledgable and better paid than the tire guy at Kmart. Motorcycle tires are harder to mount than car tires. The tires are made in small volumes and the shops put them on in small volumes. And I bet we motorcyclists are pickier about scratches on our wheels than the average car owner. Liability could be an issue too. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 20:47:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27224; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17726; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19316; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA03908 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:46:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-10.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.42) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003867; Wed Aug 27 19:46:20 1997 Message-ID: <3404F3E2.1094@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:43:30 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Alert - Cancellation/Sheneandoah valley Mustang Club Car/Bike Show] References: <199708280023.UAA16066@tangerine.uucom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, probably because its the best damm riding in the East not far from here... I love living in the middle of Dale Coyners book. Unfortunately except for Friday , wont be doing any other riding this weekend. Bot September looks great. HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 21:51:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27707; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18351; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bbs.x-press.net by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29108; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:51:22 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:57:52 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Sjm Received: from snapdragon [205.177.91.49] by bbs.x-press.net with smtp id BFDICOAJ ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3404D923.F60C9BE4@x-press.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:49:23 -0400 From: "Stephen J. Miller" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc cylces Subject: fairly new rider X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, All! I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list. I'm a relatively new rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've logged thus far. However, I have a problem with the response I often get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles. Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly everyone says "Oh....a was while riding." Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? Thanks... Steve Miller 1996 Suzuki GS500E From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 22:20:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28074; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18471; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20474; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB337.04EA2C00@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: fairly new rider Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:17:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT Try "Well, maybe they should have stuck to cages," as you fry tire and wheelie away across the parking lot! ---------- From: Stephen J. Miller[SMTP:sjm@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 9:49 PM To: dc cylces Subject: fairly new rider Hello, All! I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list. I'm a relatively new rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've logged thus far. However, I have a problem with the response I often get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles. Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly everyone says "Oh....a was while riding." Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? Thanks... Steve Miller 1996 Suzuki GS500E From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 22:45:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28241; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18569; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20847; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frosty.13x.com (1Cust98.max16.detroit.mi.ms.uu.net [153.34.218.226]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20381 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3404E888.3F4A@13x.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:57:32 -0400 From: Stephen Reply-To: frosty@XXXXXX Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maimed friend of a friend of a fairly new rider References: <3404D923.F60C9BE4@x-press.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, we've probably all heard that one before. You can try sarcasm (occasionally interpreted as crassness): -Were they killed? (Yes) Cool. I hope they buried 'em with their bike. I wanna be buried with my bike! (No) Too bad. The good ones always seem to get away. You can try wit: -Really. My grandfather died of old age, and he rode a motorcycle 'til the day before he died. You can try being drole: - Yeah, living life to the fullest can really hamper your existence. You can ignore the ignoramus: - Last Sunday, after a great ride on my MOTORCYCLE, I went out for dinner with a friend, and we had a really good time discussing how we have totally different approaches to yard work. You can try the Dali approach: - All I need is wind to fill my sail, and a church to seek on Sunday. My favourite response is (Called changing the subject): Yeah, riding is much more challenging than driving a car. You have to be very aware of what's going on around you at all times. If you're staring at the countryside, you're surely asking for trouble. Car drivers don't often appreciate how challenging it is to ride a motorcycle until they try it, and experience the rewards too. Say, would you like me to take you for a ride on my motorcycle. There's this really good course on learning to ride offered by _______, I took the course, and I recommend it to everyone. This usually shuts everyone up. If they continue on, about the hazards of motorcycling, just explain to them why motorcycles are inherently more stable with greater speed due to the increased rotational momentum in the rims. A little physics will usually shut up the remaining hard core anti-bike nazi's. Thereafter you may have to resort to some kind of alternative medicine like injecting a nutritional cocktail of inflamatory substances into their joints until they feel better. Ooops. I hope I don't offend anyone with that. Stephen '88 Hawk, '89 Hawk, '85 XL600, 85 Impala Interceptor Stephen J. Miller wrote: > > Hello, All! > > I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list. I'm a relatively new > rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've > logged thus far. However, I have a problem with the response I often > get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles. > > Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly > everyone says "Oh....a child, uncle> was while riding." > Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? > > Thanks... > > Steve Miller > 1996 Suzuki GS500E From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 22:56:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28352; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18665; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21109; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA04320 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:55:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA29186 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:55:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.104]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB10676 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:55:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc cylces Subject: Re: fairly new rider X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970828025551.AAB10676@localHost> <> >Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly >everyone says "Oh....a child, uncle> was while riding." >Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? Tell them your glad your not related. Seriously though, I know what you mean. Since your a newbie, your feeling a bit defensive. You know why you ride and (hopefully) understand the risks. If your really want to get into it with them, start picking at what they do that might be risky, right down to smoking cigs (no flames you cancer magnets). Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" - Hans Hass From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 23:03:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28401; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18716; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21184; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA04969 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:02:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA13171 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.104]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA21696 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:02:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maimed friend of a friend of a fairly new rider X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970828030228.AAA21696@localHost> << injecting a nutritional cocktail of inflamatory substances into their joints >> (said like Homer Simpson) - Ooooo, inflamatory substances in my joint. everything looks funny Marge. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 23:34:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28601; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19028; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21663; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23570; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:28:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:18:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Maimed friend of a friend of a fairly new rider To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970828030228.AAA21696@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Ignore the goofballs with their dead relative stories.When people tell me them,I tell them about all the times when riding a bike _saved_ my life.One that comes to mind was the time in England when I came around a blind curve to find 2 bone-heads stopped in the middle of the road talking to each other.There was a hedge on one side and an embankment on the other so I threaded the needle between their cars and just sqeaked through.If I'd have been it a cage,it would've been a nasty three-car-pileup cause there was no way I could've stopped in time(and I was only doing about 35).The funny part is,I looked back and both drivers were giving me dirty looks! I have noticed that since being stationed in the DC area,I've met more people who think I'm crazy to ride around here.The traffic is horrible,and people do not respect bikes,but I'd rather have the small size and maneuverability of a bike to keep me out of tight spots. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 23:41:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28671; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19086; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21813; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13266; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA10790 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA13722 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:41:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:41:31 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Tires/Again! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jeez, just buy the tire mail order, and mount it yourself. It is very simple to do, requires tools you should have on your bike already. The biggest pain being to lift the front end. Balancing can be done through a number of "low-tech" methods, and is usually identical to anything done by most of these morons at a bike dealership. If doing it yourself isn't worth your time, then the difference from one dealer to the next shouldn't matter much. Don't bother with flames, I really don't care. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 27 23:57:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28744; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19189; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22040; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.35.91.135] (1Cust135.tnt5.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.91.135]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05200 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970827231804.AAA2827@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:57:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Electrics >Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches, >leds, etc.. I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker >switch with a 1"x1" face plate. The switch is _not_ water proof as >I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed, >allowed current draw and drained the battery). > >Web Sites? Places close to DC Area? > >Thanks, >Todd >+---------------------------+---------------+ >| ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | >| CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | >| VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | >+---------------------------+---------------+ Try Boats USA on Nicholson Lane in Rockville. They have a pretty complete line of marine hardware, including stainless clamps as found on many aftermarket exhaust systems. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 00:40:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29563; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20122; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22614; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA28821; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:40:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc cycles Subject: Re: fairly new rider In-Reply-To: <3404D923.F60C9BE4@x-press.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Steve -- On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Stephen J. Miller wrote: > Hello, All! > > I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list. I'm a relatively new > rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've > logged thus far. However, I have a problem with the response I often > get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles. I think if you'd just stop riding through the library everything would work out fine. :-) > Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly > everyone says "Oh....a child, uncle> was while riding." > Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? It kind of depends on the loading of their remark -- I've heard this at times as concern and at other times judgementally. If it seems appropriate I'll ask for the circumstances. By studying wipeouts I learn how to avoid 'em... OTOH, judgemental remarks come from fear, mainly. Much messier stuff to deal with. Recommend the MSF class if they have a lot of energy wrapped up in it... Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 01:05:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29728; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20265; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22861; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA26218; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:10:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:10:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Adams, Bill" cc: dc-cycles , Todd B Peer Subject: Re: Tire mounting In-Reply-To: <3364043401BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A couple of minor suggestions: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Adams, Bill wrote: > Here's how it goes. Old tire is dead, so we don't really care about it. > You want to protect the rim from damage. Work on a piece of plywood so > that you aviod dinging the rim. Deflate the tire completely, pressing out > all the air that you can. Next, get a block of wood, about 1x2x12" and a > mallet. Place the wheel so that the rim is firmly supported, you may need > to block it up w/ 2x4s. Use the wood block and mallet to bang the bead > off the seat and into the groove. Flip wheel and do same to other side. An alternative is a big c-clamp. Another is to drive over the tire (preferably not the rim) with a car tire. > Tire is loose on rim. Using a wide pry bar, or better yet, tire > spoon... This is a good time to lubricate tire/rim. Soap & water works; an alternative is (non-abrasive) hand cleaner. > work the tire off the rim, one bead at a time. Toss tire in the > tipper, or save it for lawn art. > Make up a solution of dish soap and water. Wet the rim and the tire. > Install one bead of tire on rim, be sure its in the groove. Use tire > lever gently if necessary. Repeat for side two. Go to the gas station and > use the air compressor to inflate the tire. It will pop itself onto the > seats. Except the one time in twenty when it just WON'T. > Now you can have it balanced. > > Bill Adams > 3D Artist/Animator > '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, > '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: > "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" --garcia "Practicing the recent occidental art of wrench-ing" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 03:07:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00649; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 03:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20726; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 03:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from concord.televar.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA24443; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 03:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tedbear.tetevar.com (seattleuser030.televar.com [208.8.128.33]) by concord.televar.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA14924; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3405CD11.F57@televar.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:10:09 -0700 From: TED NORRIS X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd B Peer CC: dc-cycles , st1100 Subject: Re: Electrics References: <19970827231804.AAA2827@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit . The switch is _not_ water proof as > I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed, > allowed current draw and drained the battery). > > Web Sites? Places close to DC Area? > > Thanks, > Todd >> Go to your local 4 wheel drive shop and I think you'l find what you want, forget any boat shops, might as well buy airplane switches, bout the same price YIKE Ted From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 07:01:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01904; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23347; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26715; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA30641 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:00:56 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCB380.43AF9EE0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCB380.43AF9EE0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Electrics Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:01:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arlington Electric, on Lee Highway between Rosslynn and Balston Commons. One of the best general electronics stores I have ever been in. -----Original Message----- From: Todd B Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:09 PM To: dc-cycles; st1100 Subject: Electrics Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches, leds, etc.. I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker switch with a 1"x1" face plate. The switch is _not_ water proof as I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed, allowed current draw and drained the battery). Web Sites? Places close to DC Area? Thanks, Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 07:41:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02087; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23458; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27062; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA30674 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:41:46 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCB385.F7167E40@XXXXXX>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:42:41 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCB385.F7167E40@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: dc-cycles Subject: Not quite a RUB Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:42:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have just re-entered the community of motorcyclist after about = 15years. I logged a whole lotta miles and hours on various Xcross and = Enduro style Japanese bikes and one Husqvarna whilst a teenager, totaled = my last one, and just bought the bike I wanted since I was 13, a 76 = Triumph Bonnieville T140V. So, I've started to ride again, (slowly but = surely, every time out a little faster, a little farther, learning the = bike). Now, I know that I have to look like a RUB, and may even be one, = but what I want to know is just what the hell is a RUB? TIA rwj From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 08:07:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02240; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23623; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inside.sinai-balt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27395; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (sinai-balt.com) by inside.sinai-balt.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11820; Thu, 28 Aug 97 08:06:34 EDT Received: from fonger-portable.sinai-balt.com (21.120.60.104) by c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (Connect2-SMTP 4.20A.00001E1); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:05:39 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828081119.0069495c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:11:19 -0400 To: "Stephen J. Miller" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: fairly new rider In-Reply-To: <3404D923.F60C9BE4@x-press.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Welcome to the club. I get similar responses though often more emphatic given my profession. I have the following responses, ranging from ridiculous to serious, depending on the audience. 1. "Motorcycles are dangerous? You know, you're the first person ever to tell me that!" 2. (In response to, "It's not you, it's the other drivers who get you), "The art of motorcycling is riding as though other drivers are actively trying to kill you." 3. "Statistically, when done safely, motorcycling is no more dangerous than any other dangerous sport like skiing or scuba diving... do you ski?" Oddly, these people have given me a strange empathy for smokers who must contend with complete strangers harrassing them and saying, "Don't you know those things can kill you?" Ride safe and be safe. Take the MSF course and never ride without proper protective gear. Remember, as Ken Pirsig wrote, motorcycling is primarily a mental phenomenon. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen) At 09:49 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, All! > >I have thoroughly enjoyed lurking on the list. I'm a relatively new >rider (11 months, 3600 miles) and love every minute of riding I've >logged thus far. However, I have a problem with the response I often >get from colleagues when they find out I ride motorcycles. > >Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly >everyone says "Oh....a child, uncle> was while riding." >Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? > >Thanks... > >Steve Miller >1996 Suzuki GS500E > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 08:15:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02309; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23743; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27546; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA10490 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.146.40] ([161.253.146.40]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA06002 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCB385.F7167E40@johnston.citi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:15:13 -0300 To: dc-cycles From: "Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD" Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB Rich Urban Biker.... New Harley, Rides for show only. Bike is yet another prop to help fulfill a life that despite gobs of money still feels empty. As to owning a blockhead, I am waiting another 5-10 years, figure there are gonna be a whole bunch of low mileage, collectible softtails being dumped on the market. As long as you ride and enjoy, you'll never be a RUB. regards and be carfeul reaquiring your instincts. -charles ================================================================== Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD Department of Neurosurgery 4940 Ashby Street, NW George Washington University Washington DC 20007 School of Medicine (202) 337-0745 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue crosen@XXXXXX Washington DC 20037 Page: (202) 994-3321 Fax: (202) 994-9944 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 08:21:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02340; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23934; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27629; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAA085.01; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:20:36 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828080233.00924100@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:02:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Electrics In-Reply-To: <19970827231804.AAA2827@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches, >leds, etc.. I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker >switch with a 1"x1" face plate. The switch is _not_ water proof as >I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed, >allowed current draw and drained the battery). I'd try marine switches (made for boats). I'm sure they're much more expensive, but may be the only way to get a reliable switch. West Marine, E&B Marine, and Boat US come to mine. Not sure if they have web pages. West and Boat US are in the Alexandria area. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 08:21:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02346; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23939; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27634; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAB085.01; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:20:44 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828080921.00924bf0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:09:21 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: fairly new rider In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly >everyone says "Oh....a child, uncle> was while riding." >Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? I tell them about my (actually ficticious) friend who was horribly maimed in a car. Hit in the rear by another car driver out of control. He heard the squealing tires behind him, but could not move forward because of traffic. Knowing he was helpless, he just sat there. Broken bones, burned, hospitalized for weeks ... still walks with a limp. Too bad he wasn't on a bike, and could just pull up through traffic. Those cars sure are dangerous. I've gotten good reponses from people with that, including the grudging admission that different vehicles have different advantages and disadvantages (praise the lord HE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT!) :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 08:50:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02660; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25499; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28211; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA30708 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:50:29 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCB38F.8F778040@XXXXXX>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:51:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCB38F.8F778040@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Not quite a RUB Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:51:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you sure you want to wait, I know where you can get a 1960 Harley = sportster for $3600. It is in beautiful condition, recently serviced, a = real rider, if you can handle the kickstart on it. -----Original Message----- From: Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD [SMTP:crosen@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 7:15 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB Rich Urban Biker.... New Harley, Rides for show only. Bike is yet another prop to help = fulfill a life that despite gobs of money still feels empty. As to owning a blockhead, I am waiting another 5-10 years, figure there = are gonna be a whole bunch of low mileage, collectible softtails being = dumped on the market. As long as you ride and enjoy, you'll never be a RUB. regards and be carfeul reaquiring your instincts. -charles =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD Department of Neurosurgery 4940 Ashby Street, NW George Washington University Washington DC 20007 School of Medicine (202) 337-0745 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue crosen@XXXXXX Washington DC 20037 Page: (202) 994-3321 Fax: (202) 994-9944 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 08:59:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02744; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26220; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28372; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA12084 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970828085850_547104558@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fairly new rider In a message dated 97-08-28 02:39:54 EDT, sjm@XXXXXX writes: > Aside from the strange or shocked looks I get from people, nearly > everyone says "Oh....a child, uncle> was while riding." > Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? > Bring up horror story of close relative being trapped inna cage while slowly being burned to death - doesn't have to be true... Michael Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 09:05:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02824; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27005; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28515; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA05948 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB391.5953B860@XXXXXX>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:04:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'frosty@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Maimed friend of a friend of a fairly new rider Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:03:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't remember where I read it, may have even been rec.moto a few years back, but it is a keeper ... When asked by his girlfriends father if he knew how dangerous MCs were, this one guy just looked at him and said "Yeah, but you know, there are a lot of people in this world that confuse breathing in and out with living". I just thought that was one awesome reply. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Stephen[SMTP:sdobson@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 10:57 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Maimed friend of a friend of a fairly new rider > >Yeah, we've probably all heard that one before. > --snip-- >You can try wit: >-Really. My grandfather died of old age, and he rode a motorcycle 'til >the day before he died. > >--snip-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 09:08:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02863; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27436; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28601; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as3s12.erols.com [207.172.110.139]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26684; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970828091042.0bffccbc@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Maimed friend of a friend of a fairly new rider At 11:18 PM 8/27/97 +45722824, Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > Ignore the goofballs with their dead relative stories.When people >tell me them,I tell them about all the times when riding a bike >_saved_ my life.One that comes to mind was the time in England when > Good point. Besides, I think just about ALL of us know SOMEONE or know someone who KNOWS someone who was killed/maimed/injured in a cage/boat/bus/plane (name your poison). I knew someone that drowned when his boat turned over. Do I tell everyone to stay out of a boat. Hell no. I LOVE going down the river in a canoe. I know enough people that have been in car accidents. Do I tell everyone to stay out of cars, cuz they're so dangerous? Well, no, though I think sometimes that it would be great if I COULD and they WOULD. Less of them, more safe for us maybe, huh? When I get the "dangerous" speech, I just tell 'em that LIVING is dangerous, and no matter what you do, in the end...you're gonna die. Have fun on the way to it. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 10:28:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03875; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00299; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00725; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000224.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.236]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA19576 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:25:53 -0400 Message-ID: <34058AD8.F355B83@digex.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:27:41 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Electrics X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCB380.43AF9EE0@johnston.citi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Johnston wrote: > Arlington Electric, on Lee Highway Yeah, I agree. Arlington Electronic Wholesalers 3636 Lee Highway Arlington, VA 22207 (703)-524-2412 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 11:35:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04768; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02507; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02696; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA26163 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA00907 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:34:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA1347 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:34:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tight Spots: Was: Maimed friend of a friend of.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970828153413.AAA1347@localHost> On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:18:40 Gil M. Nissley wrote: <> Did the same thing coming off the Washingtion Blvd ramp onto Washington Blvd where it passes the Pentagon. Throttled on to about ...mumble, mumble... and there, just under the overpass is a Green School bus and Truck side by side stopped!!! What!? Why!? No time to ask, full on front brake and too much rear. Slid, squeeled and chirped right between them and just kept going. My fault for sure, but if I were in my cage, I would've been much worse off. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 11:47:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04897; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02739; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03021; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000224.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.236]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA19799; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <34059D7C.A103F65@digex.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:47:14 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen J. Miller" CC: dc cylces Subject: Re: fairly new rider X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3404D923.F60C9BE4@x-press.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen J. Miller wrote: > Any suggestions on how to respond to those comments? There's the condescending reply: "If you need an explanation, then you wouldn't understand." -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 12:08:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05233; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03199; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access2.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03589; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jeffp@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA15163 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Poretsky Message-Id: <199708281608.MAA15163@access2.digex.net> Subject: I'd love to lead the ride, but... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An old gentelman, (I have to call him that, he left insurance info), knocked my bike off its centerstand in my building parking lot yesterday. No clutch lever, left turn signal, left mirror, and the fairing might have to be replaced. !@#$ JeffP '82 Seca 750 'desdemona' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 12:21:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05401; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03593; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alumni.umbc.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03987; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pverst1@localhost) by alumni.umbc.edu (8.8.5/Alumni) id MAA21295 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:23:33 -0400 (EDT) From: The Flying Dutchman Message-Id: <199708281623.MAA21295@alumni.umbc.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB Robert Johnston asked: * * Now, I know that I have to look like a RUB, and may even be one, = * but what I want to know is just what the hell is a RUB? * Rich Urban Biker. Stereo-typed as the lawyer/doctor/professional type on a $15,000+ Harley convinced that riding a bike will augment, or create for them, an illusion of a fullfilled life. I don't know any RUB's. Then again, I might not know any 1%'ers, probably 'cos I don't know what a 1%'er is. So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? p8r From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 12:31:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05586; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03955; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04309; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA20214; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id MAA23241; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708281630.MAA23241@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires/Again! Hey Leon, was that you riding a somewhat smallish bike with the green and yellow John Deer paint scheme? Looked like you were wearing a maroon red (real old) aerostitch. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 13:08:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06075; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05171; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05300; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:08:41 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:08:00 -0400 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: jeffp@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ride on 8/31 Were does this CAMS ride usually go? Might want to check it out sat. anyone else going? Sandy 87 Hurricane 600 85 Virago 1000 >>> Jeff Poretsky 08/27 11:31 AM >>> > what better way to finish out the month of aug than with a cams ride! > > as usual, we'll meet at the silver diner on west ox rd in fairfax for > breakfast from 0800-0900. [for the new cams, here are directions: > beltway to i-66w. exit rt 50 west and go <1 mi to west ox road SOUTH > exit. go through about 3-4 lights and the diner will be on ur left. > u'll have to make a left turn on fair lakes drive to get into the pkg > lot.] > I'd love to join the ride, but some !@#$% who at least left his insurance info backed into my bike IN THE PARKING LOT!!! where it usually is parked. So I now have no left turn light, no left mirror no clutch lever and the glass in my faring is gone. AAARRRGGGHHH!!! JeffP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 13:48:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06730; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07070; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06732; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mist_bravo (aln-63-204.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.204]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA18384; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:47:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3405B999.96D2B7AC@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:47:05 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dark Hacker CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires/Again! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708281630.MAA23241@clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dark Hacker wrote: > Hey Leon, was that you riding a somewhat smallish bike with > the green and yellow John Deer paint scheme? Looked like you > were wearing a maroon red (real old) aerostitch. > > - Hacker It was probably me, the aerostich is only about as old as the bike, but unlike the bike, I bought the aerostich when it was new. According to Andy Goldfine, an aerostich will last about 100,000 miles, mine wore out about 80,000 miles ago. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 14:02:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06949; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08501; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07298; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id OAA011.17; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:02:33 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828133436.009d5760@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:34:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB In-Reply-To: <199708281623.MAA21295@alumni.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole. Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed on TV and in movies as "bikers". Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 14:19:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07125; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09278; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inside.sinai-balt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07712; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (sinai-balt.com) by inside.sinai-balt.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13556; Thu, 28 Aug 97 14:19:06 EDT Received: from fonger-portable.sinai-balt.com (21.120.60.104) by c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (Connect2-SMTP 4.20A.00001E1); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:18:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828142352.00692e5c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:23:52 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: 1%'ers In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970828133436.009d5760@204.194.180.21> References: <199708281623.MAA21295@alumni.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For the best depiction/description of 1%'ers, check out Hunter Thompson's "Hell's Angels," a must-read for any serious motorcyclist. At 01:34 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >> So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? > >The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole. >Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed >on TV and in movies as "bikers". > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 15:19:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07880; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12415; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09376; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCB3C5.78CBE990@XXXXXX>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , , Subject: RE: Tires/Again! Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:17:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT Dark Hacker Yes indeed, you had a close encounter with the one and only Leon. I've had the pleasure of meeting this Living Legend in person, he is a treat. And his Aerostich definitely looks like it's been through every mile he says. :-) Horkster ---------- From: Dark Hacker[SMTP:hacker@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 12:30 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires/Again! Hey Leon, was that you riding a somewhat smallish bike with the green and yellow John Deer paint scheme? Looked like you were wearing a maroon red (real old) aerostitch. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 15:21:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07906; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12506; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgrp.bgsm.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09419; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgrp.bgsm.edu by mgrp.bgsm.edu (PMDF V5.0-8 #12931) id <01IMZ7MAQ2UG8WWAMW@XXXXXX>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:21:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: pacl@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics In-reply-to: <19970827231804.AAA2827@localHost> To: Todd B Peer Cc: dc-cycles , st1100 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Todd locally I buy my waterproof sw's from Electronic Distributing Inc. Or for you, or when nobody else has it "Newark Electronics" has everything. :) You can find them at http://www.newark.com or 1-800-463-9275 On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > > Aside from Radio Shack, were do other folks shop for there switches, > leds, etc.. I drilled a 3/4in hole in my plastic to mount a rocker > switch with a 1"x1" face plate. The switch is _not_ water proof as > I found out one recent morning in PA after heavy rains (switched crossed, > allowed current draw and drained the battery). > > Web Sites? Places close to DC Area? > > Thanks, > Todd > +---------------------------+---------------+ > | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | > | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | > | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | > +---------------------------+---------------+ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Morris email: pacl@XXXXXX Biochemistry Department Phone: 910-716-2581 Protein Analysis Core Laboratory Fax: 910-716-7671 Bowman Gray School of Medicine Wake Forest University Medical Center Blvd. WInston-Salem, NC 27157 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 15:29:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07987; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12854; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09635; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA10846 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.146.40] ([161.253.146.40]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA16334 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708281623.MAA21295@alumni.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:28:36 -0300 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD" Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB >* Now, I know that I have to look like a RUB, and may even be one, = >* but what I want to know is just what the hell is a RUB? >* > Rich Urban Biker. Stereo-typed as the lawyer/doctor/professional >type on a $15,000+ Harley convinced that riding a bike will augment, >or create for them, an illusion of a fullfilled life. I don't know any >RUB's. Then again, I might not know any 1%'ers, probably 'cos I don't >know what a 1%'er is. > > So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? > Refers to the 1% of bikers who "ruin the image of all bikers" i.e., the stereotypical image of a harley rider who lives on his bike creating trouble everywhere he and his gang go. The Honda "You meet the nicest people on a Honda campaign" in the seventies was an attempt to counter the 1% ers, and make motorcycling legitimate. -charles ================================================================== Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD Department of Neurosurgery 4940 Ashby Street, NW George Washington University Washington DC 20007 School of Medicine (202) 337-0745 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue crosen@XXXXXX Washington DC 20037 Page: (202) 994-3321 Fax: (202) 994-9944 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 15:48:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08235; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13950; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10155; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000224.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.236]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA20319 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3405D5F3.AC0915FC@digex.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:48:17 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires/Again! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > Yes indeed, you had a close encounter with the one and only Leon... > And his Aerostich definitely looks like it's been through every mile > he says. :-) Ya know, I think I may have run into Leon several years ago...he was telling me how convenient it is to machine-wash his Aerostitch...Frankly, it *looked* like it had been machine-washed. :) -- WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 16:24:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08851; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16200; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11162; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id QAA021.06; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:24:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828155308.009de100@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:53:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 1%'ers In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970828142352.00692e5c@pop.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970828133436.009d5760@204.194.180.21> <199708281623.MAA21295@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Agreed. I wrote down several of the things Thompson wrote, one in particular sticks in mind. Talking about the females that hung around the Hells Angels, he spoke of the (going by memory now)-- "Wary glances of half-bright souls, grown mean and nervous from too much bitter wisdom in too few years." I've known people like that. Chris Norloff ********************************************************* At 02:23 PM 8/28/97 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > For the best depiction/description of 1%'ers, check out Hunter Thompson's >"Hell's Angels," a must-read for any serious motorcyclist. > > >At 01:34 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >>> So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? >> >>The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole. >>Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed >>on TV and in movies as "bikers". >> >>Chris Norloff >> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 17:22:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09776; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18635; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13054; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s23.erols.com [207.172.110.86]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06854; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:22:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:22:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970828172426.3a1f29fa@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: 1%'ers At 03:53 PM 8/28/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Agreed. I wrote down several of the things Thompson wrote, one in >particular sticks in mind. Talking about the females that hung around the >Hells Angels, he spoke of the (going by memory now)-- > >"Wary glances of half-bright souls, grown mean and nervous from too much >bitter wisdom in too few years." > >I've known people like that. > >Chris Norloff > It's funny what the movies and books can do to an entire "group" of people. Because of grade B movies (and Im being charitable calling them that) now if you get on a Harley and like to wear black, some people have the tendency to label YOU a 1%. The way *I* see it, though, is that there's getting to be MORE and MORE and MORE of *us* every day, so soon, the 1%ers will become 1/2%ers and then more and more and more of *us*, then they'll be 1/4%ers.... THEN, we'll be able to go out riding and no one will cross the street to get away from us, cuz they'll know we aint gonna shoot anyone!!! Cuz WE aint THEM!!! (unless, of course, they piss us off) :) (that last part was a joke) On the other hand, Im thinking that most of the bad press that the movies "portrayed" SURELY couldnt happen NOW. It was mostly based in the 60's and 70's, wasnt it? Back when women were more subservient and perhaps more willing to be used and abused. Nowadays, a woman would tell a man that tried to use her and treat her like property to go fuck himself. She wouldnt NEED him and his bike, cuz she could get her OWN bike. I know.... dont tell me that it can happen now just as easily as back then. I like to live in a fantasy world, where all women know their worth and stand up for themselves. Where men dont think they're Gods with a right to do with their property (woman) as they wish. Where theres both self respect and mutual respect, understanding the differences between us, yet realizing the equal importance of both. Besides.. Id think it was like everyone else. You have those that treat their ladies like dogs, all the way up to those that would jump off a bridge for the woman they love. The movies and books arent interested in the latter, only the former, cuz thats what sells. BE THAT AS IT MAY!!!!!!!!! Theres a LOT more of us WIMMINS out there riding now!! SOON, WE'LL take over!!!!! You men'll have to get out of our way!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! WE ARE WOMEN! HEAR OUR BIKES ROAR!!!! YEEHAW!!!!!!! sorry. I get carried away sometimes. Must be a PMS thing. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 28 17:25:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09834; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18659; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13132; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s23.erols.com [207.172.110.86]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07439; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:25:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:25:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970828172740.3a1fa29a@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB At 01:34 PM 8/28/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >> So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? > >The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole. >Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed >