From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 09:07:15 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "Sidecar List" , "Motolist" , "LD Rider" , "DC Cycles" , "HSTA" Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 09:08:28 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Travel w/MC & Sidecar: "American Borders" by Carla King I just found a captivating travel tale: http://gnn.com/gnn/meta/travel/features/borders/carla1.html Enjoy, Chris Norloff P.S. Posted to the following lists: HSTA, dc-cycles, motolist, sidecar, ldrider cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:44:18 1996 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 12:42:42 -0400 From: Jeremy Wallace Organization: The Education Trust X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride on Saturday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone interested in putting in a few miles Saturday? AM into early PM is best for me, but I'm flexible. I'm not a psycho knee dragger, but I do like my Hawk to get a workout. Jeremy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:51:37 1996 From: sanjay@XXXXXX Subject: so where do i go ..... To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:51:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit keep up with the latest trend and fad of instant gratification, this morning i said to my self "fu*k the monday morning flight to denver, co. ride your bike there. it's only 1700 miles; oneway!" :-) i am now desparately seeking a back rest for my 1987 shadow 700. the pillion has a back rest but i want one for myself. anyone knows of a local shop that carries such a line of accessories? can i borrow from some one? can i steal from some where? me and my back thanks you. TIA sanjay -- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. VT 700C 'nonameyet' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 15:43:22 1996 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 04:07:22 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sanjay@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: so where do i go ..... >i am now desparately seeking a back rest for my 1987 shadow 700. >the pillion has a back rest but i want one for myself. >anyone knows of a local shop that carries such a line of accessories? > >can i borrow from some one? >can i steal from some where? > You could borrow what I have for a while, I have an S&K backrest that started out on a GS750K, then I had it on my GL650 for a while, now it isn't being used, but since the universal ones aren't sold anymore, I'd like to hang on to it. It probably won't fit, but I've never let that stand in the way of my using a part that was available. Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 87Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 16K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 18:05:10 1996 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 17:53:29 -0400 To: Jeremy Wallace , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday At 12:42 PM 8/1/96 -0400, Jeremy Wallace wrote: >Is anyone interested in putting in a few miles Saturday? AM into early >PM is best for me, but I'm flexible. I'm not a psycho knee dragger, but >I do like my Hawk to get a workout. > >Jeremy Rife out to Summit Point WV to check out the motorcycle races. Lots of fun. If you need directions check out http://www.bsr-inc.com/bsr/summit/index.html Enjoy Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris/index.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:43:36 1996 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Garica Oliver To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Strange Problem, part II In-Reply-To: <9606298386.AA838654977@mail.amsinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > ...discovered that the inner two cylinders were going out...and what a > coincidence, they both are fed from the same coil (looked like a coil > - 2 of these things, wires come from the think to the spark plugs)... > > So my question...is it safe to say that the coil could be the problem, > or should I look further upstream? Both coils seem to be fed from the > same IC ignition unit, so I kinda doubt that is the problem > (considering that the outer two cylinders work fine).. > -Doug > 82 KZ 550 LTD > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > Both. Most in-line 4-cylinder bikes have 2 high-voltage coils (d.c. step-up transformers); one sends a spark to cyls 1 & 4; the other to 2 & 3. So your problem could well be a bad coil. Easy way to check: Switch the non-ground wire for 1&4 with the corresponding 2&3 wire. The ground wire can be left alone. You can tell which is the ground because either both grounds go into the same connector or they both have the same color. (Sorry, I don't know the wiring colors/setup for your bike off the top.) If only the two inner (2&3) sparks are still not happening (don't expect bike to start, just check for spark), problem is bad 2&3 coil. Reasoning: if both coils were ok and the problem were upstream, switching the coil input wires would also switch the problem to the other coil. If, on the other hand, the no-spark situation has moved to 1&4 coil and 2&3 now work ok, it means that voltage/current was not getting to 2&3 coil. In this case, most likely culprit is small pick-up coil on end of right crankshaft (accessable thru removable cover). There are two of these; one starts the electrical signal to hi-voltage coil 1&4; the other 2&3. Easiest test (usually) is again switching non-ground wires for pick-up coils. If sparks to 1&4 are dead and 2&3 now work, pick-up coil for 2&3 are defective; if there is no change problem is probably with IC igniter. NOTE: This is general info. If there is some weird circuit in your ignition setup, this info may be incomplete and/or inaccurate. NOTE: before you go hog-wild, check the simple stuff: are all the relevant connectors clean and tight? Pull them apart, check for looseness and/or corrosion. If you have a multimeter (and you probably shouldn't be doing this stuff if you don't) check continuity of wires in case one got pinched and broken (unlikely, but it happens). You can (should) also check book specs (resistance) on both high-voltage (primary and secondary circuits) and pick-up coils. NOTE: In general, none of these electrical components can be repaired (other than accessable broken wires). There are exceptions, but too few to bother with unless you have a buddy wuo's an EE. NOTE: I'm assuming that wires you want to switch have individual connectors rather than multiple (block) connectors. If this is not the case, you have to improvise a temporary connector, which is usually a pain. CAUTION: If you make a mistake (especially at the pickup coil end of things), you can instantly fry an expensive IC Igniter (amplifier, aka 'black box'). So, get a manual (Clymer and Haynes are usually ok on electronic ignitions, but factory manual is always more detailed), take careful notes on what you're doing, and don't get excessively creative. Good luck. ---garcia ps: If you *really* get stuck, you can give me a call. 202-234-9229. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:56:31 1996 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.3) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:01:58 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Stupid User Tricks It is really terrible that an old lurker like myself has to write to the list to find out how to get my email address for the list changed. I hate it when other people do it. "Get a clue, contact the listserver" But I can not find the right list server, so now I get to annoy everyone with the request. Maybe my cool FZR bike pics will pacify everyone: http://overlord.nova.org/forsale.html --- Thomas Piergallini NVIAC Network Manager 3Com Primary Access Network Engineer EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me NeXTmail and MIME From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 13:16:32 1996 To: pierre@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Stupid User Tricks In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Aug 1996 13:01:58 EDT." <199608051702.NAA09822@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 13:12:11 EDT From: Harry Mantakos >It is really terrible that an old lurker like myself has to write >to the list to find out how to get my email address for the list >changed. There are three major "mailing list admin address" conventions. One is to to add a '-request' to the listname and send to that address where some low-tech device, usually a human, would process your request. This has become less prevalent than it was in years past as automated list management software packages have become more popular and tend to have their own conventions for admin addresses. If you hang out with people who like capital letters, the list might be managed on a mainframe 'LISTSERV' facility, in which case sending to 'listserv@XXXXXX' would get you in touch with the listserv software. And these days, the 'Majordomo' list management software is very popular, and sending to 'majordomo@XXXXXX' gets you in touch with it. If you forget how to get on/off a list, if you try all three of these types of addresses, there's a good chance you'll hit on the right thing. In the case of dc-cycles, we're still doing things the old-fashioned way (using humans and such), and admin requests should be sent to 'dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX' -harry -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Harry Mantakos Email: harry@XXXXXX Phone: 301-527-9500 x145 USPS: Trusted Information Systems, 15204 Omega Drive, Rockville, MD 20850 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 17:11:40 1996 X-Mailer: InterCon TCP/Connect II 2.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:10:48 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Request for subscription info Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline OK, I've changed jobs and forgotten the address to send a subscription request to. Would someone please email me with the listproc address? Thank you ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX 6800 Virginia Manor Road Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 01:23:17 1996 From: RIdeY@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:20:57 -0400 To: wjm1@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motolist@XXXXXX, nj-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: High Definition Faceshields? In a message dated 96-07-22 09:11:57 EDT, wjm1@XXXXXX (McLoone, William J.) writes: >I need a new faceshield for my Shoie RF-200 and I am considering the >purchase of one of the orange High Definition shields. I would like to use >this as my only faceshield and have concerns about it's use in rainy >conditions and at night. Are these concerns valid? Does anyone have any >experience or comments they can share with me? TIA > >Bill (Moses) McLoone Just had my orange Hight definition shield installed about 3 weeks ago, and have done LOTS of riding since (over 5500 K miles). So here it is: During the day, its great, not too dark for wearing over sunglasses if you have em, and if your stuck without those, it helps a lot. During rainy conditions (I went through about 10 rainstorms, 1 hail, 1 tornedo - seriously) it was fine, no problem. My only problem was at night, especially if it got a bit dirty, then it was downright impossible to use. I really prefered the older, lighter colored ones they used to have (yellow and later brownish-yellow). They seemed to work better in more conditions, even though they required sunglasses during the day. ...oh yeah, and all that riding was on my DR650, with street legal knobbies on!!! Niv DR650 D.C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 16:41:33 1996 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:39:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: 15798@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen <15798@XXXXXX> Subject: Stolen FZR 1000 My friend had his '91 FZR 1000 stolen a couple of weeks back. Details are at www/13x.com/aod. VIN: JYA3LKE07MA013431. The last five digits are a palindrome! I know Sam would *really* appreciate getting to ride his motorcycle that he had owned for less than a week!!! Rumour has it that this bike has been spotted in the DC area. Thanks for keeping an eye out. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 23:23:58 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 23:19:57 -0400 To: race-l@XXXXXX, ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Racing my EX500 at Summit Pt here's the latest, in case you care... Team Charm Sets Personal Best Laps, Wins More Money! Aug 3, 1996 (Summit Point Raceway, West Virginia) By the time we got to the racetrack on Saturday morning our trusty truck had suffered a flat tire and lost its tail pipe. Ignoring these setbacks until later in the day, I registered for the 40-mile lightweight race and set about getting ready for practice. The weather had been rather wet for the previous week and the track was in poor condition. The MARRC crew delayed the start of practice while they did their best to remove the mud and water from the track. The two rounds of practice were uneventful for Team Charm and slowly a racing line was created around the track. But it wasn't until after lunch that the track was entirely puddle-free. With my only race the last of the day, I set about the difficult task of waiting. We had three bikes under the canopy, Dean Middleton's RZ350, Steve's snausage laden FZR600, and Frankenbike sporting the recently repaired 'A' motor. During the first race of the day Dean's RZ melted a piston while he was chasing the lead. The next race had Steve holding a solid 10th place before the countershaft nut stripped off, leaving him a finely tuned motor but no drive train. With the Team Charm Pits now zero for two, I headed out for the warm-up lap. This was the first time all day that I was able to test the traction. At the flag I got an OK start but I approached the first lap too cautiously as the traction had indeed returned since my morning practice. The lead group steamed ahead while I tried to tip-toe my way around an FZR400, afraid to try the pavement more than 8 inches off the proven line. This ruined all hope of a good finish as I spent nearly half the race frustrated in my botched passes. A string of 1:33-1:35 laps is just too darn slow, and my frustration turned to mania when I finally got by the FZR. Lapped traffic was heavy by then, and while I never got a clean lap I was able to make up considerable time on the guys up front. I was riding 'on the ragged edge' with tire slides out of turns #1, #6, #9 and #10 every lap. It was fun, but by the 17th lap my hands were cramped and braking and throttle control was difficult. By the 20th and last lap I was in 8th place, wishing for another lap or two as I was rapidly closing on positions 7, 6, and 5. I was happy to at least finish in the money (a $55 return on the $50 entry fee), and was shocked to hear that my times had dipped into the mid-1:28s. This was my best lap time ever on an EX500 and it has been six years since I was riding better than a 1:30 at Summit Point. Remaining races: August 30th, Pocono PA September 14th, Summit Point October 5th, Summit Point From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:05:48 1996 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 09:00:45 -0500 From: "Dr. Moze" Organization: The PressRoom Online Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Q] Virago air filter mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I came across BUG's air filter mod for Viragos (replacing the stock filter with a honeycomb filter made for Harleys) on the net. I have a couple of questions on his instructions before I dive into this. Has anyone out there done this mod? Care to share your knowledge?? Thanks in advance! [Please respond directly via e-mail] -- Dr. Moze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:57:24 1996 From: "skip farmer" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:56:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bad press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday I saw an AD on TV for the importance of Organ Donations. Guess who the donor was....that's right, a motorcycle rider! Maybe it's just me but this was not presented in a very flattering light. They could have made it much more generic and not so dramatic. We don't need the bad press. Skip '87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 11:20:29 1996 From: douglasj@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 09:16:11 mst To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscrpxn request Hello, I'd like to subscibe to DC_CYCLES. Thx. Jim, douglasj@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 12:18:24 1996 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:18:10 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: bad press At 09:56 AM 8/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >Yesterday I saw an AD on TV for the importance of Organ Donations. Guess who >the donor was....that's right, a motorcycle rider! Maybe it's just me but this >was not presented in a very flattering light. They could have made it much more >generic and not so dramatic. We don't need the bad press. > I don't know about you, but I have my organ donor card in my pocket and my family knows it. I believe it is in our own best interest to publicize our willingness to contribute. Yes, I engage in an activity that is dangerous, but in the event that something happens to me I am willing to offset the costs to society incurred by my actions. Rather than getting upset about something like this, I think we should turn it around and use it to our advantage. Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 87Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 16K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:38:24 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:39:44 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: bad press To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Leon, >Yes, I engage in an activity that is dangerous, but in the event that >something happens to me I am willing to offset the costs to society incurred >by my actions. Do you pay taxes every year? Are you licensed and registered? I do not feel there is any more debt incurred by motorcyclists than any other vehicle related accidents. You seem to imply that bike operators are costing "society" (whoever that is) money. I don not associate my internal organs with some fiduciary responsibility left over because I got waxed on the road. >Rather than getting upset about something like this, I think we should turn >it around and use it to our advantage. Perhaps requiring bikers to mandatorily register as organ donors? You would be surprised at how many involuntary organ donations happen already. Whether the deceased possessed a card or not. What advantage do you refer to anyway? That bikers are fatalists, and wish to compensate for their "societal" burden up front by being organ donors? It seems to accept the premise that something inherently taxing is part and parcel of motorcyclists operating in one's state. I disagree. This is entirely apart from my willingness to donate organs, corneas, etc to those in need. Dave Choat From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:43:53 1996 From: "skip farmer" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:43:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leon Begeman "Re: bad press" (Aug 8, 12:18pm) X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bad press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree, I think that it is a good idea also. I just didn't like the way that the ad portrayed riders. Sometimes legislation comes from what the general public "thinks" they know about motorcycle riding. I'd rather see safer roads than more restrictions on riders. I just brought it up more as FYI and just to express my opinion (whether right or not) Skip On Aug 8, 12:18pm, Leon Begeman wrote: > Yes, I engage in an activity that is dangerous, but in the event that > something happens to me I am willing to offset the costs to society incurred > by my actions. > > Rather than getting upset about something like this, I think we should turn > it around and use it to our advantage. > > Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 > '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 87Kmiles > '78 Honda CB400A 16K miles >-- End of excerpt from Leon Begeman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 14:09:11 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:05:52 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: bad press To: "skip farmer" , Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > I'd rather see safer roads than more restrictions on riders. Absolutely. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 14:49:57 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:49:09 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[3]: bad press To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Yes, I engage in an activity that is dangerous, but in the event that >something happens to me I am willing to offset the costs to society incurred >by my actions. Do you pay taxes every year? Are you licensed and registered? I do not feel there is any more debt incurred by motorcyclists than any other vehicle related accidents. You seem to imply that bike operators are costing "society" (whoever that is) money. I don not associate my internal organs with some fiduciary responsibility left over because I got waxed on the road. >Rather than getting upset about something like this, I think we should turn >it around and use it to our advantage. Perhaps requiring bikers to mandatorily register as organ donors? You would be surprised at how many involuntary organ donations happen already. Whether the deceased possessed a card or not. What advantage do you refer to anyway? That bikers are fatalists, and wish to compensate for their "societal" burden up front by being organ donors? It seems to accept the premise that something inherently taxing is part and parcel of motorcyclists operating in one's state. I disagree. This is entirely apart from my willingness to donate organs, corneas, etc to those in need. Dave Choat From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 15:43:18 1996 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:07:44 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re[3]: bad press To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20a363f0@emh3.arl.mil> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 0YCFN100000KR ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME my gawd..*sniff*...that was beautiful Dave... I couldn't have said it better myself... :-) cheers, -aki > > > >Yes, I engage in an activity that is dangerous, but in the event that > >something happens to me I am willing to offset the costs to society > incurred > >by my actions. > Do you pay taxes every year? Are you licensed and registered? I do not > feel > there is any more debt incurred by motorcyclists than any other vehicle > related accidents. You seem to imply that bike operators are costing > "society" (whoever that is) money. I don not associate my internal > organs > with some fiduciary responsibility left over because I got waxed on the > road. > > >Rather than getting upset about something like this, I think we should turn > >it around and use it to our advantage. > > Perhaps requiring bikers to mandatorily register as organ donors? You > would be surprised at how many involuntary organ donations happen > already. > Whether the deceased possessed a card or not. What advantage do > you refer to anyway? That bikers are fatalists, and wish to compensate > for > their "societal" burden up front by being organ donors? It seems to > accept > the premise that something inherently taxing is part and parcel of > motorcyclists operating in one's state. I disagree. This is entirely > apart from my willingness to donate organs, corneas, etc to those in > need. > > Dave Choat > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 17:48:39 1996 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 17:52:47 -0700 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Choat CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bad press Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take it easy . . . can't we all get along here. If you don't want to give your organs away, you don't have to, and I'm not advocating that you be required to. You don't have to give blood or volunteer for community service either. But when one of us (bikers) is shown as an example of a volunteer, it is good for all of us. We ought to encourage that, not gripe about it. Yes, I'm a biker; yes, I carry an organ donor card. Read into that what you will. I said: > >Yes, I engage in an activity that is dangerous, but in the event that > >something happens to me I am willing to offset the costs to society incurred > >by my actions.Dave Choat wrote: > Do you pay taxes every year? Are you licensed and registered? I do not feel > there is any more debt incurred by motorcyclists than any other vehicle > related accidents. You seem to imply that bike operators are costing > "society" (whoever that is) money. I don not associate my internal organs > with some fiduciary responsibility left over because I got waxed on the > road. > > >Rather than getting upset about something like this, I think we should turn > >it around and use it to our advantage. > > Perhaps requiring bikers to mandatorily register as organ donors? You > would be surprised at how many involuntary organ donations happen already. > Whether the deceased possessed a card or not. What advantage do > you refer to anyway? That bikers are fatalists, and wish to compensate for > their "societal" burden up front by being organ donors? It seems to accept > the premise that something inherently taxing is part and parcel of > motorcyclists operating in one's state. I disagree. This is entirely > apart from my willingness to donate organs, corneas, etc to those in need. > > Dave Choat From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 18:27:47 1996 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:25:09 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: bad press To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <320A8BDF.28C0@illuminet.net> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 0YCIXX00001yi ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME > Take it easy . . . can't we all get along here. If you don't want to give > your organs > away, you don't have to, and I'm not advocating that you be required to. > You don't have > to give blood or volunteer for community service either. But when one of us > (bikers) is > shown as an example of a volunteer, it is good for all of us. We ought to > encourage > that, not gripe about it. > > Yes, I'm a biker; yes, I carry an organ donor card. Read into that what you > will. > ..man... every time I show *my* organ to anyone they just *laugh*.. ..am I doing something wrong? ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 22:15:23 1996 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:13:45 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bad press Leon Begeman writes: > But when one of us (bikers) is shown as an example of a volunteer, it > is good for all of us. We ought to encourage that, not gripe about it. I have to admit that I haven't seen the ad in question, but I think a lot of it has to do with the way the motorcyclist is portrayed in it. That seems to be the complaint of those griping about it, not that we shouldn't be portrayed in a positive light more than we are (presently ~0% of ads). But is this necessarily a "positive" light just because it's a good thing? It's been more than a few times that I've heard my ride referred to as a "donorcycle". These ads, even sight unseen, won't help enhance the view of us in these people's eyes. It may not help much with others, either. > Yes, I'm a biker; yes, I carry an organ donor card. Read into that what > you will. Ditto, but some people I've told this to now think that I'm a fatalist. I doubt that they'd feel this way towards me if I wasn't a motorcyclist. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, DoD #0224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" 2 Hondas, 2 Kawasakis & 5 Suzukis |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 08:33:21 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:32:06 -0400 (EDT) To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[3]: bad press I agree with Dave Choat. Saying that you "owe" society your organs only supports the belief that Motorcyclists are the "cause" of fatal accidents. We are no more a burden than are the cagers that cause accidents with motorcyclists. Because driving a cage requires so much less skill on the road, there are a LOT more marginal drivers than cagers, so naturally they're going to cause a disproportionate share of accidents. On the other hand, being an organ doner is a good gesture, does a good service to society in general (whether you're a biker or cager) and displays a healthy lack of ego. Frankly, I don't think I'd want to be an organ doner. Gives me the creeps. - John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 08:40:29 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:42:59 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: bad press To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Leon In 1979 a bill made it to the floor of the Md. House of Delegates that would require seat belts for all motor vehicles in the state. The bill included motorcycles. It was defeated, but the fact that there was even a bill AND a floor debate to defeat it was rather egregious. I feel like the NRA sometimes, if you give in the least amount, you lose that much forever. I am not griping about being a volunteer anything, I simply rail against the MYTH that bikers are a burden to some vague rumor beleiving mass. If you, a biker, are subscribing to the notion that bikers need to offset their deeds in some way, that seems to be even worse. Far better to be an informed purveyor of facts, than a lackey to rumor. And as far as volunteerism etc, I know one biker who was a State Policeman, voluteered regularly for DARE functions, was extremely involved in the day to day operations af a county (St. Mary's) and was selected as the Officer of the Year in 1995. He was quite the role model for many people, and when he low sided into a guardrail in May, I never heard one peep from anyone about how bikers are an expensive burden-sure they said bikes were dangerous, but they also seemed to understand that it was his choice to ride one. Incidentally, he was unable to donate any organs due to the nature of his injuries. I would be glad to discuss this in more detail, I simply disagree with people who think we are more hassle than human. This isn't some friend of a friend story either. His name was Danny Choat, and he was my little brother. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: bad press From: Leon Begeman at ddn Date: 8/8/96 5:52 PM Take it easy . . . can't we all get along here. If you don't want to give your organs away, you don't have to, and I'm not advocating that you be required to. You don't have to give blood or volunteer for community service either. But when one of us (bikers) is shown as an example of a volunteer, it is good for all of us. We ought to encourage that, not gripe about it. Yes, I'm a biker; yes, I carry an organ donor card. Read into that what you will . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 09:32:43 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 09:37:17 -0700 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dark Hacker CC: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[3]: bad press Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't believe that because I'm a biker I owe any thing more than any other citizen does. The Lord God Almighty has been good to me. I was lucky enough to be born in the richest country in the world, where I can live in comfort with little work and have lots of free time to argue about arcane things like whether I owe my organs to society after I'm gone. (In saying the above I compare myself to someone with the world's median income.) The Lord also says I have to pay my taxes, I haven't found anywhere where I am required to donate my body after my soul leaves it, but I think that's a good idea. I encourage others to donate their organs. Since some in society believe that we are more likely get the opportunity to donate (and by cooking the numbers correctly, they can 'prove' it) we should attempt to turn this belief to our favor by challenging them to do the same. As to politics, you can categorize as a Christian libertarian. Leon. Dark Hacker wrote: > > I agree with Dave Choat. Saying that you "owe" society your organs only > supports the belief that Motorcyclists are the "cause" of fatal accidents. > We are no more a burden than are the cagers that cause accidents with > motorcyclists. Because driving a cage requires so much less skill on > the road, there are a LOT more marginal drivers than cagers, so naturally > they're going to cause a disproportionate share of accidents. > > On the other hand, being an organ doner is a good gesture, does a good > service to society in general (whether you're a biker or cager) and > displays a healthy lack of ego. Frankly, I don't think I'd want to be > an organ doner. Gives me the creeps. > > - John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:11:52 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:08:59 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Libertarians To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Leon wrote: >As to politics, you can categorize as a Christian libertarian. --------------------------------------------------------------- Leon, As one of my favorite libertarians wrote: "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." PJ O'Rourke I cannot say I believe in politics or religion though. Since this is a bike forum I will now ask a related question; My RF900R has this little clear plastic strip around the windshield. It is loose in one place and wants to come off when I am "keeping up with the flow of traffic". What can I do to make this stay stuck to the windscreen? I don't want to put goop in there, it'll show through. Any ideas folks? Oh and if anybody saw a yellow zuccini on 465 yesterday, it was escaping being eaten alive by leaping from my cargo net on the way home. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:28:53 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:23:37 -0400 From: "Christopher A. Meier" Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bad press Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: --nip- > The Lord also says I have to pay my taxes, I haven't found > anywhere where I am required to donate my body after my soul leaves it, but I think > that's a good idea. -snip- I must have missed the passage where the Lord asks me to pay taxes.....I always thought that was the government. Oh, but that's another thread. chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 12:21:25 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 12:14:16 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Flying Zucchini Dave wrote: Oh and if anybody saw a yellow zuccini on 465 yesterday, it was escaping being eaten alive by leaping from my cargo net on the way home. It's a squash now. Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 12:44:08 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:43:38 -0400 (EDT) To: cmeier1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bad press Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:23:37 -0400 From: "Christopher A. Meier" Subject: Re: bad press Leon Begeman wrote: --nip- > The Lord also says I have to pay my taxes, I haven't found > anywhere where I am required to donate my body after my soul > leaves it, but I think that's a good idea. -snip- I must have missed the passage where the Lord asks me to pay taxes.....I always thought that was the government. Oh, but that's another thread. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's". New Testiment stuff. The idea is that spiritual values and worldly values and spiritual values should not interfere with each other even if they do intersect. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:16:39 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:16:57 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Caesar ZX-7 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:23:37 -0400 From: John (Dark Hacker) Subject: Re: bad press >"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's". New Testament stuff. The idea is that spiritual values and worldly values values should not interfere with each other even if they do intersect. Of course this means that the spiritual refreshening caused by high velocity passes through the countryside cannot be measured in dollars. Good rides are priceless, money shouldn't interfere here, so go out and buy that nice spirtual refreshener (two-wheeled) and do some rendering of country. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 20:32:20 1996 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Dark Hacker Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 20:07:53 -0500 To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Caesar ZX-7 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:16:57 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Caesar ZX-7 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:23:37 -0400 From: John (Dark Hacker) Subject: Re: bad press "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's". New Testament stuff. The idea is that spiritual values and worldly values values should not interfere with each other even if they do intersect. Of course this means that the spiritual refreshening caused by high velocity passes through the countryside cannot be measured in dollars. Good rides are priceless, money shouldn't interfere here, so go out and buy that nice spirtual refreshener (two-wheeled) and do some rendering of country. YEEEE-HAA!!! Yea verily I have SEEN the LIGHT BROTHER!!! Now where is that ZX-11 drool... - John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 11:58:54 1996 X-Sender: nranone2@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0400 To: DC-Cycles List From: Nick Ranone Subject: Trailer I need to get a trailer for my dad to take a bike to Florida. This will be a one way trip so I need to buy one. Does anyone have a cheap bike or utility trailer? Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 11 09:47:01 1996 X-Sender: nranone2@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0400 To: DC-Cycles List From: Nick Ranone Subject: Trailer I need to get a trailer for my dad to take a bike to Florida. This will be a one way trip so I need to buy one. Does anyone have a cheap bike or utility trailer? Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 11 18:07:27 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:52:44 -0500 From: "Dr. Moze" Organization: The PressRoom Online Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC cycles list Subject: Service shop recommendation? (NoVA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Can anyone recommend a good shop for tuning (adjust carbs and valves) on an '85 Virago 700? I'm looking for a combo of quality service, price, and short turnover time. The shops I know of that are convenient to me (south Alexandria) are Cycle Sport in Springfield, Coleman Power Sports in Falls Church, and Clinton Cycle in MD. (names may be approximate!) Any comments on thee shops, or any others nearby worth checking out? Are there any private mechanics who do this work? (I have the Yamaha shop and Clymer's manuals.) Plase reply by e-mail or cc: me, as I only check the list through the archives. Thanks in advance!!! -- Dr. Moze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 11 22:11:42 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:08:22 -0400 To: DrMoze@XXXXXX, DC cycles list From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: Service shop recommendation? (NoVA) At 05:52 PM 8/11/96 -0500, Dr. Moze wrote: >Hi! Can anyone recommend a good shop for tuning (adjust carbs and >valves) on an '85 Virago 700? I'm looking for a combo of quality >service, price, and short turnover time. > >The shops I know of that are convenient to me (south Alexandria) are >Cycle Sport in Springfield >Coleman Power Sports in Falls Church >Clinton Cycle in MD My humble opinon for the above is good, bad and don't know. Also check out Crossroads Cycles, in Bailey's Crossroads. >mechanics who do this work? (I have the Yamaha shop and Clymer's Back when I had my cushy day job I used to do this, but not now (cursed Navy!) Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 08:53:47 1996 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 08:49:45 EST From: "nicholsn" Encoding: 12 Text To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Nick Ranone Subject: Re: Trailer I need to get a trailer for my dad to take a bike to Florida. This will be a one way trip so I need to buy one. Does anyone have a cheap bike or utility trailer? Nick Nick, I have a one-rail trailer with new wheels and tires. $100 drives it away. Nigel Nicholson 703-660-6894 h From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 10:19:07 1996 Organization: National Captioning Institute - (703) 917-7600 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dave Nunn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:19:02 +0000 Subject: Bike For Sale Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Well, gang, I'm in a little bit of trouble, but maybe one of you can help me out. Bought Number fourteen yesterday afternoon, so need to sell number twelve, which is: 1992 Suzuki GSX1100G. Called by motorcycle magazines "a two wheeled road going sofa." 98 HP, shaft-drive, black, 4,880 original miles, 48+ mpg. $4,200 or best offer. If interested, call 437-1987, Reston, VA. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Read Any Good TV Lately? http://www.us.net/nci/ncihome2.htm Dave Nunn '90 Yamaha XZV1300 (#14) davenunn@XXXXXX '92 Suzuki GSX1100G (#12) Reston VA '81 Honda CM400T (#13, (hers)) 1stSgt, USMC (Retired) Remember POW/MIA Vietnam Veteran And Damned Proud Of It! USMC -- WHEN IT ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY HAS TO BE DESTROYED OVERNIGHT!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 11:00:56 1996 X-Mailer: InterCon TCP/Connect II 2.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:00:17 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" To: "Dave Nunn" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike For Sale Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline > ...so need to sell number twelve, which is: > 1992 Suzuki GSX1100G...$4,200 or best offer Man. I wish this had been for sale a month ago. ...sigh... ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX 6800 Virginia Manor Road Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 11:28:55 1996 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Bike For Sale Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:12:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 39 TEXT, 46 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >1992 Suzuki GSX1100G. I've got a '93 >Called by motorcycle magazines "a two wheeled road going sofa." Pretty close - I have a Corbin seat on mine and just did my Saddlesore 1000 for IronButt Association membership on it two weeks ago. >98 HP sounds about right >4,880 original miles, 26,000 on mine in 2 years >48+ mpg. I get about 40 - what's your secret??? It's a pig in the twisties (compared to a sport bike), but outhandles any Winnebikeo (Gold Wing, et. al.). I'm running Metzeler ME Z/2s front and rear and have no problems scraping hard bits at will - Progressive springs help out a GROUP (and are cheap at about $40 mailorder). I have Givi luggage on mine - looks good and holds a bunch of stuff. An ST1100 or K100 is probably quite a bit better, but at about 2-3 times the cost. The only problem that I have with mine is that it wants to settle in at about 80 MPH on the open road (this is the point that I start to notice wind blast - no bug stopper on mine). The only mechanical problems that I've had in 26,000 miles are a dirty horn button and a leaky fork seal. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(AX/`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````,#E%.30V M0S4S,$8T0T8Q,4(U-S P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`'P`' ``0```!(```!213H@0FEK92!&;W(@4V%L90````(! 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We're planning a camping/riding trip to deal's Gap (one weekend)and his Ducati just isn't the bike to ride all the way there. (thinly disguised balance beam for a seat) does anyone out there in the DC metro area have one we can use? (He's got a Duc (400 lbs.) and I think I'll probably bring my Honda Hawk (400 lbs.) Thanks in advance, and please respond to me directly. Dave BTW, we're both pretty reputable characters. Professionals and all that. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:50:27 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:40:12 -0700 From: "Eric M. Winslow" Organization: University of Maryland X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ticket in DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, all. Just got a speeding ticket this morning in DC. It was on the part of Rock Creek Parkway that is heading south past the volleyball courts going up to Memorial Bridge: 42 mph in a 25 zone. I'd like to not get this one on my record. Does anyone have experience fighting tickets in DC courts (the ticket was issued by the Park police)? I guess I'll set a court date and hope that the officer doesn't show up. I also remember people saying that you can postpone the court date in order to increase the likelihood of the issuing officer not showing up. Any experience, anecdotes, comments, advice would be appreciated. And I will take into account that almost _none_ of you are lawyers :-) Thanks and watch out for those radar traps. They're out to get you! -- Eric M. Winslow ew52@XXXXXX 1993 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:59:40 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 11:48:08 edt From: "Michael Dow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Test - Ignore This is a test. Please excuse the interruption. -Sash From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:30:18 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:29:26 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Eric M. Winslow" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ticket in DC http://www.motorists.com - The National Motorists Association has a kit that you can use to make sure your rights are protected. At 11:40 AM 8/13/96 -0700, Eric M. Winslow wrote: > I'd like to not get this one on my record. Does anyone have >experience fighting tickets in DC courts (the ticket was issued by the >Park police)? > Any experience, anecdotes, comments, advice would be appreciated. >And I will take into account that almost _none_ of you are lawyers :-) > Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 88Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 16K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:49:10 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:50:39 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) Subject: Ticket in DC I live in fear of getting a speeding ticket on Rock Creek since I'm usually doing betwen 45 and 55, traffic permitting. On the other hand, you gotta take your thrills where you can get them. _________________________________________________ * * * Kim Bieler * * * American Writing Corporation/Communications Development Inc. http://www.cdinet.com CB650 '80 FZR 600 '90 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 13:06:01 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:26:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: 15798@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: All From: Stephen <15798@XXXXXX> Subject: RE: IronButt Association? MJ: Please could you explain this one for me ... SD At 08:12 AM 8/12/96 -0700, you wrote: >Pretty close - I have a Corbin seat on mine and just did my Saddlesore 1000 >for IronButt Association membership on it two weeks ago. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:46:36 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 14:40:09 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket in DC Rock Creek Park, especially the upper section that goes from Military Rd. to Broad Branch, is the only good thing about going to work. BTW, I have yet to see Park Police up there. Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Ticket in DC Author: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) at MNGNET Date: 8/13/96 01:52 PM I live in fear of getting a speeding ticket on Rock Creek since I'm usually doing betwen 45 and 55, traffic permitting. On the other hand, you gotta take your thrills where you can get them. _________________________________________________ * * * Kim Bieler * * * American Writing Corporation/Communications Development Inc. http://www.cdinet.com CB650 '80 FZR 600 '90 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:55:39 1996 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: IronButt Association? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:41:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 42 TEXT, 55 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >MJ: Please could you explain this one for me ... SD >At 08:12 AM 8/12/96 -0700, you wrote: >>Pretty close - I have a Corbin seat on mine and just did my Saddlesore 1000 >>for IronButt Association membership on it two weeks ago. The Iron Butt Association (http://world.std.com/~ironbutt/) is (in their own words: (start quoted text from IBA website) Iron Butt Association(r) World's Toughest Motorcycle Riders(r) The Iron Butt Association is dedicated to safe, long-distance, endurance motorcycle riding. Although based in the United States, we have 3,802 members world-wide. One of our more popular slogans is, "The World Is Our Playground." We host several rides, the most notable being the 11-day, 11,000+ mile Iron Butt Rally(r). Additionally, the Iron Butt Association hosts the Saddle Sore 1000(r) (a 24 hour 1,000 mile ride), the Bun Burner 1500(r) (1,500 miles in 36 hours), the Bun Burner Gold(r) (1,500 miles in 24 hours), the 50cc Quest(r) (Cross Country in 50 hours or Less), the National Parks Tour (visit 50 parks in at least 25 states), the coveted 10/10ths Challenge(r) (10 consecutive 1,000 mile days) and the almost-impossible to get into 100K Club(r) (100,000 miles or more in one year). We also work closely with the Motorcycle Endurance Riders Association. The only way to become a member of the Iron Butt Association is to earn it. No amount of cash can get you in. Generally speaking there are several ways to earn membership. The most notable is to be a finisher of the Iron Butt Rally or a successful finisher of one of the other rides we sponsor. Rally workers and supporters are also granted membership status. (end quoted text) Visit their site - it's full of good information and interesting stories written by the various riders. 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Be advised that you will get a ticket for turning left onto Cathedral Ave northbound from the regular travel lane during rush hour, and for turning right on red from the bottom of Virginia Ave onto Beach. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 16:09:52 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: explorer2.clark.net: jwallace owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Wallace X-Sender: jwallace@explorer2 To: BWEINER@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket in DC In-Reply-To: <9607138399.AA839972409@uu2455.marasconewton.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The only place I've ever been ticketed is on RCPwy. Of course if you go 58 in a 25 zone when you're half a mile from the park police station, you can't be too surprised if you get a ticket (DOH!!!). The guy, Bruce Nixon, was actually quite nice. He only wrote me up for unreasonable speed--$25 and no points! It coulda been much worse. I was driving on my permit w/nobody else around. Jeremy On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 BWEINER@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 14:40:09 > From: BWEINER@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ticket in DC > > > Rock Creek Park, especially the upper section that goes from Military > Rd. to Broad Branch, is the only good thing about going to work. BTW, > I have yet to see Park Police up there. > > Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX > "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." > RZ350, CB-1, RD400F > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Ticket in DC > Author: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) at MNGNET > Date: 8/13/96 01:52 PM > > > I live in fear of getting a speeding ticket on Rock Creek since I'm usually > doing betwen 45 and 55, traffic permitting. On the other hand, you gotta > take your thrills where you can get them. > _________________________________________________ > * * * Kim Bieler * * * > American Writing Corporation/Communications Development Inc. > http://www.cdinet.com > CB650 '80 FZR 600 '90 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 00:53:59 1996 From: RIdeY@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:54:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 01:03:25 1996 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 01:02:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rdrdr@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Yiftah Niv Subject: subscribe please subscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:59:14 1996 From: DOCRADIO@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:00:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:35:57 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:38:49 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Tickets To: "Adams, Bill" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Obviously some hard earned data there! Is anyone aware of the MD traffic code which allows motorcycles to operate on the shoulder when traffic is congested? Apparently this is due to their being air cooled. Thuis was vehemently told to me by a close friend recently and I hadn't had a chance to verify this. It could have been changed recently too. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Ticket in DC From: "Adams, Bill" at ddn Date: 8/13/96 3:31 PM I don't find speeding to be a real concern of the Park Police especially in the Georgetown Curve where everyone is going 55. Be advised that you will get a ticket for turning left onto Cathedral Ave northbound from the regular travel lane during rush hour, and for turning right on red from the bottom of Virginia Ave onto Beach. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:00:55 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "Motolist" , "DC Cycles" , "HSTA" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 12:11:13 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Stop those dangerous car drivers! Just what I've always wanted -- a stun gun for a car. from the RISKS digest 18.32 : ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:55:29 -0400 From: pcw@XXXXXX (Peter Wayner) Subject: Electromagnetic pulses to stop car chases? Police prepare stunning end for high-speed car chases BY GILES WHITTELL AND NIGEL HAWKES, The Times, London, 10 Aug 1996 It could be the end of the car chase as we know it. With the automotive equivalent of a stun gun, science fiction is coming to the aid of law enforcement. A high-powered electrical device under development at the Pentagon's Army Research Laboratory in Adelphi, Maryland, is to be tested by police and border patrol agents and could be in use by next year. The car stopper works by focusing an intense electromagnetic charge on the electronic systems that manage most modern engines, disabling them and paralysing the car. In the jargon of its inventors, the 150 kilovolt charge is a nemp, or non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse. Contractors are bidding to produce a police version. Very precisely directed beams are required, but even then there will be problems. A pulse powerful enough to disable an engine at any reasonable range would also be likely to disrupt communications, damage television and radio sets, disable computers and even stop heart pacemakers. There is also the danger of loss of control when a car is being driven at high speed. Counter-measures would include using old-fashioned engines with no electronics, or perhaps surrounding the most delicate components with shielding. The best might be to get hold of one of the stun guns and use it to disable pursuing police vehicles. ------------------------------ Date: 19 July 1996 (LAST-MODIFIED) From: RISKS-request@XXXXXX Subject: Abridged info on RISKS (comp.risks) The RISKS Forum is a moderated digest. Its USENET equivalent is comp.risks. SUBSCRIPTIONS: PLEASE read RISKS as a newsgroup (comp.risks or equivalent) if possible and convenient for you. Or use BITNET LISTSERV. 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The ftp.sri.com site risks directory also contains the most recent PostScript copy of PGN's comprehensive historical summary of one liners: get illustrative.PS cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:17:42 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:49:45 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Va. and parts west... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hey, I plan on riding out through Va. and maybe even hitting Sheperdstown W.Va. Friday or Saturday. Are there any particular places or roads (I know about Skyline Drive) that would be fun to visit? Or avoid? Freestate Cycle in Bladensburg (Old Rt 1 & 450) is selling their leather at 25% off. They have some Gericke stuff and some nice (size 48 & 50) HG cordura nylon jackets. There is also some leather pants, 34s, 38s and up. For around 200 bucks you could get some pants. I also purchased a factory touring seat for my RF900R ($150). If any of you other RF900R types want to hear about it after this weekend, give me a holler. Be advised I waited 2 months for the damn thing, as they are in hot demand apparently. Looks nice though. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:40:23 1996 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 12:38:45 EST From: "nicholsn" Encoding: 13 Text To: "Chris Norloff" , motolist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hsta@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stop those dangerous car drivers! police and border patrol agents and could be in use by next year. The car stopper works by focusing an intense electromagnetic charge on the electronic systems that manage most modern engines, Counter-measures would get hold of one of the stun guns and use it to disable pursuing police vehicles. (including police heliocopters?) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Civil aircraft? What a terrorist weapon this would be! +++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:42:22 1996 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:45:41 -0400 From: Dale Coyner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va. and parts west... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hey, I plan on riding out through Va. and maybe even hitting Sheperdstown > W.Va. Friday or Saturday. Are there any particular places or roads (I know > about Skyline Drive) that would be fun to visit? Or avoid? I can recommend Harpers Ferry Road which between Sharpsburg MD (just on the other side of the river from Shepherdstown) and Harpers Ferry. Hilly and twisty, lots of nice scenery. Another nice feature is that as it approaches HF, you come in on the MD side right along the C&O Canal towpath where you can park your bike and take a stroll. When you come off of HF Road, that puts you at the foot of the Potomac River bridge. You'll make a sharp left just after the bridge and come to Keep Tryst Road. Turn left on Keep Tryst and there's a fairly good place to eat, Cindy's, just ahead on your right. If you get on 340 and head north I can also suggest MD Route 17. Follow it north and at the first village you encounter (can't recall the name right off), follow the signs to Gathland state park to see a neat memorial arch to war correspondents on the side of the mountain. If you continue to follow MD 17 north you'll pass through Middletown then encounter US 40. If you follow US 40 west you'll come to the Washington Monument state park, home of the first monument raised in this country to ol' GW. Neat hand-laid stone tower originally constructed around 181x-182x -- strongly resembles an old glass milk bottle. Was used as a lookout during the Civil War, now often used by birders tracing the migration path of hawks. Sorry to ramble, just a few ideas. have fun! dale From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:47:34 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "Dave Choat" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 12:57:56 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Tickets > Is anyone aware of the MD traffic code which allows motorcycles to operate > on the shoulder when traffic is congested? Apparently this is due to their > being air cooled. Thuis was vehemently told to me by a close friend > recently and I hadn't had a chance to verify this. It could have been > changed recently too. I'm not aware of any special exemption for motorcycles to operate on shoulders, but the Maryland traffic code allows vehicles to use the shoulder to get around a stopped, left-turning car, as long as the shoulder is "improved" (whatever exactly that means -- anything more than loose gravel, I guess). While I haven't read the code myself on that, that came from a State Trooper lifer, who was quoting chapter and verse. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:49:54 1996 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 12:41:48 EST From: "nicholsn" Encoding: 28 Text To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat), badams@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tickets Hmmm, anyone know whether this holds true for the Commonwealth of Virginia? Are water-cooled motorcycles excempt from this excemption? Nige Obviously some hard earned data there! Is anyone aware of the MD traffic code which allows motorcycles to operate on the shoulder when traffic is congested? Apparently this is due to their being air cooled. Thuis was vehemently told to me by a close friend recently and I hadn't had a chance to verify this. It could have been changed recently too. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Ticket in DC From: "Adams, Bill" at ddn Date: 8/13/96 3:31 PM I don't find speeding to be a real concern of the Park Police especially in the Georgetown Curve where everyone is going 55. Be advised that you will get a ticket for turning left onto Cathedral Ave northbound from the regular travel lane during rush hour, and for turning right on red from the bottom of Virginia Ave onto Beach. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:24:49 1996 From: jimi@XXXXXX X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:22:31 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles cc: east list Subject: Best Roads of DC Area Web Page! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Got you excited didn't I. Well, it's not up yet, but think how cool it will be when it is. What I need from all of you is simple; your favorite riding roads. Just tell me where they are, what they are like, length if known, and any interesting features. I know we all have favorite roads that are in the area, that don't require an hours ride to get to the mountains, and are fun to scoot around on after work and such. I'll break the roads up into geographical areas, and maybe ad maps and stuff. I already have about 12 that I like a lot, and should have the basic pages up soon. C'mon, give your fellow bikers some help in finding new, fun roads to ride on; we're all in this together. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:23:14 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:02:04 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Stop those dangerous car drivers! To: motolist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hsta@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I don't imagine they would have much range, and the power demands could be fierce, so exactly how portable could this be? Aircraft tend to have some RF shielding anyway. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Stop those dangerous car drivers! From: "nicholsn" at ddn Date: 8/14/96 12:38 PM police and border patrol agents and could be in use by next year. The car stopper works by focusing an intense electromagnetic charge on the electronic systems that manage most modern engines, Counter-measures would get hold of one of the stun guns and use it to disable pursuing police vehicles. (including police heliocopters?) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Civil aircraft? What a terrorist weapon this would be! +++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 21:47:22 1996 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:46:12 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tickets dc == "Dave Choat" (I believe) writes: dc> Is anyone aware of the MD traffic code which allows motorcycles to operate dc> on the shoulder when traffic is congested? Apparently this is due to their dc> being air cooled. Thuis was vehemently told to me by a close friend dc> recently and I hadn't had a chance to verify this. It could have been dc> changed recently too. I tend to doubt that this is true. Special exemptions such as this are never granted to anything but emergency vehicles that I've seen. FI, this would also allow my aircooled VW to drive on the shoulder. Nah, I think your friend has been tuning his bike in the garage with the door closed for too long... X-} If you're really interested, try to locate a copy of the "Maryland Vehicle Law" (MVL) at the library. It should be in the law reference section. The latest printed edition is usually a year or so behind the current calendar year (of course) and the library's copy even older than that... cn == "Chris Norloff" writes: cn> I'm not aware of any special exemption for motorcycles to cn> operate on shoulders, but the Maryland traffic code allows cn> vehicles to use the shoulder to get around a stopped, cn> left-turning car, as long as the shoulder is "improved" True, I've seen this regulation in the MVL. The left turning vehicle has to be blocking the thru-travel lane. This is the only time that driving on the shoulder is legal that I've found, and I've spent a good deal of time rooting through the MVL. Don't ask... ;-) cn> (whatever exactly that means -- anything more than loose gravel, cn> I guess). I believe the MVL has a glossary section. If "improved" isn't defined there you could probably make an argument in court that a dirt shoulder is an "improvement". The 'spirit' of the term is probably "paved, full width". Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, DoD #0224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" 2 Hondas, 2 Kawasakis & 5 Suzukis |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 03:00:20 1996 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 02:47:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Stop those dangerous car drivers! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9608141600.AA9563@quimby.os2bbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What do they mean,"developing"?Sounds like a low power ECM pod.When I was on the flightline,the pilots were told to _never_ activate the pods on the ground.If they did,it would fry every TV on the base(not to mention the fact that it wouldn't be too healthy for the ground crew). Seriously,all you'd need for this device would be a jammer that radiates in a specific direction.The only developement they'd need to do would be meeting the power requirements as supplied by the car. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Ltng GATB#1121 HSB#38DT "Always mount a scratch monkey." Vax Tech "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 11:02:45 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 10:40:53 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Who's the snitch? Who told the Park Police that I like to ride through the upper section of the park on my way to work? 'Fess up. Is there a Park Police officer on this list? The days after I posted a message proclaiming the virtues of that particular section, that section has been blocked off to traffic in the mornings. This sucks. Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 11:46:51 1996 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) From: John Nelson Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 11:38:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Clubhouse Subject: Va. and parts west... Cc: Dave Choat Hey Dave! I'll second Dale Coyner's suggestion to try rt 17. Anyway, he should know. He literally wrote the book. I would like to suggest the following as a small diversion. The CAMS rode this way last weekend... rt 50 -> rt 734. 734 is a nice windey country road that passes through some of the nicest horse country I've seen. The road itself is kindof bumpy and ill-maintained in places so you will want to watch it. Then take rt 606. 606 is a nice twisty stretch of pure clean asphalt. Very nice riding. 606 links up to rt 17 and from there you can go way out into bumf**k VA. There's also rt 50 out through Middleburg. More very nice horse country. Turn off to the left through a little town called Paris to see quaint little towns or turn to the right further down onto 601 for some hair-raising mountain riding. This particular road had a a bit too much gravel for my tastes the last time we did it so it might not be a good idea. rt 601 goes past Mt Weather and hooks up with rt 7. Now rt 7 way out there is *nice* riding because its just a long stretch of superslab where you can get a chance to open up the engine on that Suzi RF900R of yours. Getting further out there is one really nice mountain road the CAMS took on their 'Round The World Tour that rates as the most beautiful mountain road I've ridden on.... rt 130e froom Natural Bridge to Amherst (130e to 29n). Check out the CAMS home page (http://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/CAMS/) and look under the CAM Events for the trip report. The whole route is there. I wish I had gotten more pictures of the scenary but that's difficult to do when you're riding. - John From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Va. and parts west... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hey, I plan on riding out through Va. and maybe even hitting Sheperdstown W.Va. Friday or Saturday. Are there any particular places or roads (I know about Skyline Drive) that would be fun to visit? Or avoid? --- John T. Nelson MCI Metro John.Nelson@XXXXXX (NeXT mail preferred) SRMS 1.0 Development Team CAMS Home Page: http://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/CAMS/ "Life is like a motorcycle - it's sometimes unpredictable, you don't always know where you're going and you can't go backwards." -- John T. Nelson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 12:51:25 1996 From: BillW@XXXXXX (Bill Watkins) To: clubhouse@XXXXXX (clubhouse), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Cc: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: Covington International Travel Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:49:22 -0500 Subject: RE: Va. and parts west... Rts. 15/231/22 between Orange, Gordonsville and Charlottsville are really nice. Also if you are ever east, Rt 5 between Richmond and Williamsburg is pretty. One of my favorites is route 54 west from Ashland Virginia (watch out for Ashland cops - they're mean) to Rt.686 at Patrick Henry High School. Turn right onto 686. You'll go across a beautiful one lane bridge over the South Anna River up to 795. Right on 795 for a quarter mile and left onto 686 again up to 685. Right on 685, past Rocketts Mill Horse Farm (circa 1734) to 738 at Fork Church (circa late 1600's). Left on 738 to Beaverdam School Road, left on Beaverdam School to Beaverdam and Terrell's Market. Best homemade subs in life. Then onto 715 south/33 west/ 522 north to 618, left on 618 down to Orange and see above. Bill Watkins. From: clubhouse[SMTP:clubhouse@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 1996 11:51 AM To: dc-cycles; Clubhouse Cc: Dave Choat Subject: Va. and parts west... Hey Dave! I'll second Dale Coyner's suggestion to try rt 17. Anyway, he should know. He literally wrote the book. I would like to suggest the following as a small diversion. The CAMS rode this way last weekend... rt 50 -> rt 734. 734 is a nice windey country road that passes through some of the nicest horse country I've seen. The road itself is kindof bumpy and ill-maintained in places so you will want to watch it. Then take rt 606. 606 is a nice twisty stretch of pure clean asphalt. Very nice riding. 606 links up to rt 17 and from there you can go way out into bumf**k VA. There's also rt 50 out through Middleburg. More very nice horse country. Turn off to the left through a little town called Paris to see quaint little towns or turn to the right further down onto 601 for some hair-raising mountain riding. This particular road had a a bit too much gravel for my tastes the last time we did it so it might not be a good idea. rt 601 goes past Mt Weather and hooks up with rt 7. Now rt 7 way out there is *nice* riding because its just a long stretch of superslab where you can get a chance to open up the engine on that Suzi RF900R of yours. Getting further out there is one really nice mountain road the CAMS took on their 'Round The World Tour that rates as the most beautiful mountain road I've ridden on.... rt 130e froom Natural Bridge to Amherst (130e to 29n). Check out the CAMS home page (http://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/CAMS/) and look under the CAM Events for the trip report. The whole route is there. I wish I had gotten more pictures of the scenary but that's difficult to do when you're riding. - John From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Va. and parts west... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey, I plan on riding out through Va. and maybe even hitting Sheperdstown W.Va. Friday or Saturday. Are there any particular places or roads (I know about Skyline Drive) that would be fun to visit? Or avoid? --- John T. Nelson MCI Metro John.Nelson@XXXXXX (NeXT mail preferred) SRMS 1.0 Development Team CAMS Home Page: http://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/CAMS/ "Life is like a motorcycle - it's sometimes unpredictable, you don't always know where you're going and you can't go backwards." -- John T. Nelson ------ Message Header Follows ------ LAA28572 for clubhouse-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:46:19 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) From: John Nelson Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 11:38:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Clubhouse Subject: Va. and parts west... Cc: Dave Choat Sender: owner-clubhouse@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:55:17 1996 From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" To: Clubhouse , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , John Nelson Cc: Dave Choat Subject: RE: Va. and parts west... Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 13:47:00 EDT Encoding: 74 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 actually, 606 turns to gravel about half-way to rt 50/17. when you get to the 649/606 fork, bear left on 649, which was recently repaved. rt 649 runs back in to 606. ---------- From: John Nelson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Clubhouse Cc: Dave Choat Subject: Va. and parts west... Date: Thursday, August 15, 1996 11:38AM Hey Dave! I'll second Dale Coyner's suggestion to try rt 17. Anyway, he should know. He literally wrote the book. I would like to suggest the following as a small diversion. The CAMS rode this way last weekend... rt 50 -> rt 734. 734 is a nice windey country road that passes through some of the nicest horse country I've seen. The road itself is kindof bumpy and ill-maintained in places so you will want to watch it. Then take rt 606. 606 is a nice twisty stretch of pure clean asphalt. Very nice riding. 606 links up to rt 17 and from there you can go way out into bumf**k VA. There's also rt 50 out through Middleburg. More very nice horse country. Turn off to the left through a little town called Paris to see quaint little towns or turn to the right further down onto 601 for some hair-raising mountain riding. This particular road had a a bit too much gravel for my tastes the last time we did it so it might not be a good idea. rt 601 goes past Mt Weather and hooks up with rt 7. Now rt 7 way out there is *nice* riding because its just a long stretch of superslab where you can get a chance to open up the engine on that Suzi RF900R of yours. Getting further out there is one really nice mountain road the CAMS took on their 'Round The World Tour that rates as the most beautiful mountain road I've ridden on.... rt 130e froom Natural Bridge to Amherst (130e to 29n). Check out the CAMS home page (http://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/CAMS/) and look under the CAM Events for the trip report. The whole route is there. I wish I had gotten more pictures of the scenary but that's difficult to do when you're riding. - John From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Va. and parts west... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hey, I plan on riding out through Va. and maybe even hitting Sheperdstown W.Va. Friday or Saturday. Are there any particular places or roads (I know about Skyline Drive) that would be fun to visit? Or avoid? --- John T. Nelson MCI Metro John.Nelson@XXXXXX (NeXT mail preferred) SRMS 1.0 Development Team CAMS Home Page: http://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/CAMS/ "Life is like a motorcycle - it's sometimes unpredictable, you don't always know where you're going and you can't go backwards." -- John T. Nelson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 15:18:50 1996 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:21:23 -0400 From: Christopher Haddad Organization: Rock Creek Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7a (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 11:17:50 1996 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:19:13 -0400 From: Dale Coyner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ldrider@XXXXXX, st1100@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 91 Honda ST-1100 w/RT Air Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking for a good home for my '91 Honda ST-1100. It's black, has 34K miles and is very clean. It's garaged and I have all service records. It has a stock windscreen cut down to sportbike height and a tall Rifle fairing for colder weather. I am asking $5,700 and am somewhat negotiable. As an added incentive, I'm throwing in a free round-trip airfare from frequent flyer miles. You can use it to fly in and ride the bike home (I'm in the Wash DC area), or if you're close by you can just keep the ticket and use it for whatever. FWIW in future bragging rights: This bike appears on the cover of "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians". You can see a picture of it at http://www.his.com/~dale/fotos/wryder2.jpg Contact me via e-mail or call me during the day at 703.903.5527 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:40:07 1996 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:42:49 -0400 From: Dale Coyner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: '94 Honda Shadow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Posting for a net-less friend, please call # below: For Sale: 1994 Honda Shadow (black), less than 4,000 miles with some extras. Asking only $3,750. Very clean. Please call 703.903.5287 or 703.330.8621 and ask for Steve. Located in Washington DC area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 14:29:44 1996 Date: 19 Aug 96 13:22 EDT X400-Trace: us*telemail*gov+treasury; Arrival 19 Aug 96 13:22 EDT Action: Relayed Priority: normal P1-Message-Id: us*telemail*gov+treasury;0840479324/1588171444/1 Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text P1-Recipients: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX,dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "/PN=Randy.Chartier/DD.ccPost=no-isno3"@ccmail.irs.gov To: Dale Coyner Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: '94 Honda Shadow Posting for a net-less friend, please call # below: For Sale: 1994 Honda Shadow (black), less than 4,000 miles with some extras. Asking only $3,750. Very clean. Please call 703.903.5287 or 703.330.8621 and ask for Steve. Located in Washington DC area. How big is it (cc's). Is it an ACE???? Randy V65 Sabre 1984 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 18:16:00 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:16:09 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Skyline Drive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Having seen some of the more colorful trips described on this list, I hope all you veterans won't laugh at this (paltry) offering. On Friday morning, myself and the Significant Passenger (Diane) strapped some soft luggage onto my 95 RF900R. We left at 7am to avoid some of the more viscous rush hour traffic that occurs in the DC area. We had planned on leaving around 5 or so, except that I had to work until 10pm (the hazards of being in the Graphics Branch) the night before. I felt being alert was more important than being early. We had wanted to take a short trip on the bike, to test out our gear, attitudes, the new Suzuki manufactured touring seat, and spend Friday night somewhere, yet still get back to the house in time for Diane to get to work on Saturday (2pm). We drove out 66 East, and traffic was light, I even managed to drive along with a Vietnam Vet stickered Honda. The passenger was wearing sandals with heels (?). Stoppoing off in Manassas, we ate some breakfast, and realized that we would need to park the bike in view of wherever we were eating. I have an alarm system on it, but the soft luggage could be opened without setting it off (if you are careful-I tried it). Also it was a tad too low and was rubbing the tire at one small area. Yikes, the straps etc were adjusted and after making sure no further baggage hi-jinks occurred, we were on our way again. We soon came upon Amissville, which seemed like a perfectly good place to disappear from the hardslab-we noticed the roads were wet, but there were no clouds nearby. The road was 648, and we went south going through some very pretty country. (cows, horses, fields-etc...) . The signs were promising, all twisty arrows and big yellow and black arrows to indicate right and left hairpinsuntil we ran out of marked roads.Hmmm. We kept going until the road turned into gravel (double -hmmm) kept going (very hilly, very twisty oiled dirt road with gravel shoulders and serious crowning) thinking I was going to wind up in someone's driveway- except there were very few houses, and they were rustically hidden in the plentiful woods there. . I was getting that I am confused (not lost) feeling right about the time the road forked and became smaller when the road proceeded to reverse transform back into a blacktop again. Whew. We then went south on 715 into Culpepper. Some gas was purchased and we headed over to Skyline drive (112?) and proceeded north. It was around 11:00 and the road was quite quite. For those who haven't driven there, Skyline is a state park that surrounds a road, period. The road is a beautiful, two way asphalt strip with occasional passing zones. The speed limit is thirty-five mph, with thirty mph in the curves. The sky was azure, the breeze was-well you know what I mean. There was also the added feature of a yearling fawn zinging across my front tire as I gazed calmly out over the mountains. I started paying a little more attention to the woods after that. Saw three trikes, and numerous Goldwings and other tourer types. We followed this until the road (I mean park ended). I had recently read in Kickstart (www.kickstart.com) about Sheperdstown. So I wanted to stay the night there since it is about 80 minutes or so from DC. Read Stephen Anderson's article if you can. The place is simply nice, from zany little bookstores to The Lost Dog! Coffee shop run by Garth Jannsen-who left Boulder because it was "no longer a good place for his alternative lifestyle". We stayed at the Bavarian Inn (the only hotel, although there are B&Bs nearby two at least, and a bookstore owner said we could ask around even then because "people would let you have room for the night if you needed one. Fascinating. I will insert the GIBs comments here - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave & I got up very early Friday morning and rode the bike to West Virginia by a most indirect and fun route, which included gravel roads and lotsa cows and a DEER running across the road on Skyline Drive. The scenery was great, the bike was great, the new bike seat was excellent (my butt didn't hardly get sore at all). At one point we were driving down a small road and a guy walking stuck his thumb out before he turned around to get a look at us. When he did he sort of waved us on, and we waved back. We got to Shepherdstown around 3:30; it's a small college town with some nice places in it, like a great little espresso bar and some very nice used book stores (both of which had copies of the Berlitz "Teach Yourself Portugese" book; a very odd coincidence). And a VERY nice hotel, the Bavarian. We walked into this posh lobby (with a sign saying "no shorts in lobby after 5") in our motorcycle leather gear and asked for a room. The woman was civil but a little chilly as she informed us that there was only one room available, which she marked on the rate card: the Royal Suite, the most expensive room in the place. Dave looked at it for a minute, and said "Sure, we'll take it." Suddenly she became this much nicer but slightly dazed reservation clerk. You could see her thinking "oh my god, there are MOTORCYCLISTS staying here", but on the other hand, we were paying big bucks for this room, so what could she do? When we filled out the card there was a place for the license plate number, where she said we could just put "motorcycle". Dave put "red motorcycle", but I don't think it needed even that much detail. The room was amazing, with a Jacuzzi and champagne and a huge bed and couches and a gas fireplace and everything. Even a bidet. We had a great time. I was sorry to come home. The trip back was much quicker, as Shepherdstown is only a couple of hours from DC (less if you're riding with Dave; we went the whole length of 270 in about 20 minutes). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We really wanted to spend the day checking out more of Sheperdstown, but oh well another day. The ride back was mostly on 70 and 270, so it was quick. We pulled into the driveway at 2:04, and the total trip was 320 miles, I am sure a bunch of that was vertical stuff. My take on the factory seat was that it is for someone over 5'8" with a 30" inseam. I could sit in the bucket, but my weight went over the bars too much when I slid back into the seat.Another thing . My right hand kept going to sleep-I know this is caused by vibration (the left hand was fine) so what can I do? It is uncomfortable at best, and I kept having to lay my hand over the grip and letting the blood surge back into my fingers. This was annoying. Any suggestions? One other note, I was goosed by this little old lady who was one of the watresses in Betty's Restaurant. She just walked up behind some guy in leathers, holding a helmet-who was long haired and bearded-and goosed him because she had to get by him into the kitchen. Wacky. I am a very friendly individual in person, and I am frequently disappointed when my sartorial choices put someone off before they even talk to me. I was quite bemused by this. Dave David Choat, Visionary Army Research Laboratory AMSRL-OP-SD-TV 2800 Powder Mill Rd Email: dchoat@XXXXXX Adelphi, Md 20783 WWW: http://www.arl.mil "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." PJ O'Rourke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 19:55:41 1996 From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:54:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Report on Cruzin' Roads (long) *** WARNING - Sent to multiple lists ********* Recently, I read where some of you were looking for new roads to try. I'd like to share with you a few of the roads I explored this weekend. Maybe you'd like to try them yourself. >From Hagerstown Maryland, this loop is about 150 miles. >From the intersection of I-70 and MD-63, follow MD-63 north past US-40 to the traffic circle. >From the circle, follow the signs to "Mercersburg, PA". This road will put you on PA-416. When the road comes to the "T", turn left and follow this road (PA-16) into Mercersburg. As you pass the traffic light (the only one), look for PA-75 North and follow that road for about a mile. Bear left in the vicinity of the schools at the sign the points to "Ft. Loudon" Stay on this road until you come to a STOP sign at US-30. Straight thru the STOP sign and you'll see the "Milky Way" on your left. (A great place to find refreshment, although the locals may stare at you a bit). Continue NORTH on PA-75 for a few more miles while looking for a sign for "Cowan's Gap Park" When you turn LEFT there, it will be a gorgous 3 mile ride up the mountain to this mountaintop park - lake and all -- at the STOP sign, turn right.. Follow this road through Buchanan State Forest and eventually, you will cross under I-76 (PA turnpike) near "Burnt Cabins" ... just beyond that will be the intersection with US-522. Take 522 NORTH to Shade Gap. For a little blast from the past, I recommend continuing on 522 North to Orbisonia where you can climb aboard the East Broad Top Railroad and ride the only narrow gauge steam locomotive operating east of the Mississippi. The train runs on weekends and makes three trips daily. Don't forget your camera! If you pack a picnic lunch, you can get off and enjoy your picnic lunch in the grove until the next train comes along (about 2 hours). Trains depart the station at 11am, 1 pm, 3 pm (at least on the day I was there) and the round trip lasts about one hour. What's amazing about this place is the East Broad Top operated from the late 19th century until 1956 when it was abandoned. Barely saved from the salvage man, it has operated ever since 1960 as a tourist train. The entire system is preserved however, only a few miles of it are usable. Much of the original rolling stock sits exactly where it was parked in 1956. As a bonus, the Rock Hill Trolley Museum operates just across the street. Go back in time and ride the rails of yesteryear while you await your train. Don't miss the car barns and workshops where these volunteers painstakingly restore these relics of yesteryear. Its worth the trip! Backtrack on US522 South to Shade Gap. At Shade Gap, turn left on to PA-641 East. This will take you over to spectacular mountain vistas complete with twisting roads and 20 mph switchbacks. In the town of Roxbury, veer right onto PA-997 South and follow this toward Chambersburg. When you approach the junction of 997 South AND Truck RT-997 South, take the truck route. Stay on this road as it ziz-zags across US-30. South of US-30, you'll breeze past Penn National golf course and on into Waynesboro, PA. Stay on 997-South and it will bring you back into Maryland on MD-64. At Smithsburg, make a left onto MD-77 and follow that over the mountain. You'll pass Cunningham Falls State Park and Catoctin Natl' Park (home of Camp David) as you make your way to Thurmont. At Thurmont, you're on your own again to take US-15 South to Frederick or any other road you wish to venture out on. Oh well, If you try it, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did on a beautiful Sunday afternoon! --- Jeff DeLauder Yamaha XVZ12TDL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 23:11:57 1996 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:11:49 -0400 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Fall Tour Coming Up I've been a bit remiss in promoting this year's Appalachian Highways tour, but after seeing Dave Choat's trip report, it prodded me into action. The Appalachian Highways tour -- http://www.his.com/~dale/tour.htm -- is a small group tour I've organized for the last two years to help raise money for the Honda Ride for Kids. It's not directly connected, I just turn in the money we raise at the Ride for Kids run. We had a great time last year and everyone from last year's tour is returning. The emphasis is on scenic roads, a relaxed pace, taking time to stop at little-known and interesting points of interest, good food, and sharing the joy of motorcycling. This year's tour takes place Sept 28/29 and runs from Warrenton, VA to Monterey, VA where we'll stop overnight at the Highland Inn. Total run from point to point is about 160 miles, an easy day's ride, and features 99.44% backroads and lesser-traveled highways. We have ten rooms booked at the Highland, eight are filled, so I have two spots remaining. I'd like to fill 'em all. The deadline to register is 8/31 though I'm inclined to stretch it to the no-penalty cancellation date which is 9/10. If interested, drop by the aforementioned web page or drop me an e-mail if you don't have web access. If you have read this far and will attend any club meetings in the next couple of weeks, I'd appreciate it if you'd pass along the word or repost to any other mailing lists you think might be interested. Many thanks! Dale Coyner From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 23:48:57 1996 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:48:24 -0400 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: My Turn! Weekend Trip report Been working/travelling waaaay too much lately, but finally had a chance to haul the ST-1100 out and stretch it a little this weekend. Had a great camping trip with some buddies at Babcock State Park near Beckley, WV. Did some riding in that area (recommended), but the highlight of the trip for me was the return, a real journey. I started at 9:30 Sunday morning and got home at 8:00 p.m., covering a distance of about 350 miles in 10.5 hours. For those who care, here's the route in outline form (names in parens thrown in to help locate on map): WV 41 north (Clifftop, WV) US 60 east WV 20 north (Charmco) WV 39 east US 219 north WV 39 east (Marlinton) WV 92 north WV 84 east US 220 north US 250 east (Monterey, VA) Jennings Gap Road VA 42 north VA 259 east (Broadway) US 11 north US 211 east (New Market) VA 675 north VA 678 north (Kings Crossing) VA 619 east US 340 north VA 55 east (Front Royal) US 522 south VA 635 east VA 688 south (Hume) US 211 east (Warrenton) US 17 north VA 678 north VA 55 east US 15 north (Haymarket) US 50 east I could stand to do that EVERY Sunday. Dale From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 10:31:58 1996 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 10:27:26 -0400 From: "Norwicke, Glenn" Sender: "Norwicke, Glenn" Organization: APA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: For sale X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway God I hate to do this but I must... For sale: 1990 CB-1 (400cc), 7.6k miles, all original. Very good condition, extremely clean. It runs fine, will be due for it's 8K service soon. Needs a right mirror. Comes with a LP Racing rear wheel stand, OSI tank bag, OSI cover, Shoei helmet, and a cargo net. I bought this bike off of the original owner Memorial day weekend. It had 6K on it. $2,600 obo. Contact Glenn at: gmn.apa@XXXXXX or call (301) 951-6339. Located in Bethesda, MD (outside of Washington, DC) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 21:29:04 1996 X-Mailer: InterCon TCP/Connect II 2.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:27:40 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Best Roads of DC Area Web Page! Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline > What I need from all of you is simple; > your favorite riding roads. Just tell me where they are, what > they are like, length if known, and any interesting features. Does it just have to be DC area? Well, FWIW, my all-time favorite road is US160 in southern Colorado between Walsenburg and Pagosa Springs. It runs through some national forests and through at least two of the most beatiful mountain passes you'll see: La Veta Pass and Wolf Creek Pass. The Rio Grande river runs right alongside the road for many miles. Simply gorgeous scenery! ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX 6800 Virginia Manor Road Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 16:11:04 1996 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula X-Sender: ddipaula@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: new bike tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII tonight after work i go to pick up a honda CB-1. it's not in pretty shape at the moment (it's been sitting outside for the better part of the year), but it seems to run okay, and the price is right: $1500, which leaves me enough money after buying it to fix it up correctly (including both things i would probably have to do on any bike, like tires and chain and sprockets, and things specific to it being left outside, like a new paint job and refinishing the seat). this is going to be my day-to-day bike for the next year or so. my last two bikes were stolen (rf900 when i was living in new carrollton, md., and cbr600f3 from laurel, md.). my cbr was recovered, but i'm afraid it'll just be stolen again if i keep it at the same house, so it's going into storage (except for weekends) in my parents' garage until i can get a house with a garage of my own. i think i can get pretty everything i need taken care of on the CB1 for less than $1000 total: rebuild rear shock, install progressive springs in front, refinish seat, repaint tank/fender/seat skirt, replace chain and sprockets, a few minor things replaced (brake lever is bent slightly, high beam is burnt out), new tires, and a tuneup (including oil/filter/plugs). -D- Donald DiPaula (301) 982-4600 x119 ddipaula@XXXXXX Implementation Engineer | Customer Provisioning | BBN Planet "It must be indicative of something besides the redistribution of wealth." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 18:17:33 1996 X-Sender: nranone2@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Nick Ranone Subject: Yamaha 400 Maxim $200 A friend has an 81 Yamaha 400 Maxim he is ready to get rid of. The bike had been laid down and needs a new headlamp assemply, signals, and instrument cluster. It ran fine at the beginning of the summer before the mishap. On the strong side, it has new tires. Anybody interested in this bike, let us know. Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 19:19:01 1996 From: "Sara J. Taillon" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:16:33 -0800 In-Reply-To: Donald DiPaula "new bike tonight" (Aug 21, 4:08pm) X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: Donald DiPaula , cb1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new bike tonight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's great! I'm going to look at a CB-1 tomorrow night, myself. Hope I have as much luck as you did... Have fun! -Sara From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 19:45:59 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:42:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: new bike tonight At 04:08 PM 8/21/96 -0400, Donald DiPaula wrote: >i think i can get pretty everything i need taken care of on the CB1 for less >than $1000 total: rebuild rear shock, install progressive springs in front, >refinish seat, repaint tank/fender/seat skirt, replace chain and sprockets, >a few minor things replaced (brake lever is bent slightly, high beam is burnt >out), new tires, and a tuneup (including oil/filter/plugs). Why bother trying to fix the stock shock? A Fox or other quality shock would serve you much better. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 00:55:10 1996 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:33:33 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: new bike tonight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Donald DiPaula wrote: > things specific to it being left outside, like a new paint job and refinishing > the seat). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Why?If you make it look nice,someone will steal it.As long as it's functionally ok,who cares what it looks like. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Ltng GATB#1121 HSB#38DT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 01:25:34 1996 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:14:12 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Check Me Out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, Wash HD just shot a commertial for cable and me and a bunch of other local S1 riders are going to be in it.It should be showing on ESPN in September,and if I get an airtime I'll post it.I'm the one with the black bike and the blaze orange helmet. They should have a shot of me and Mike(red bike) coming at the camera. No autographs please,for fan mail,e-mail my agent. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Ltng GATB#1121 HSB#38DT "Always mount a scratch monkey." Vax Tech "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 16:14:13 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula X-Sender: ddipaula@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: CB-1 update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i bought the CB-1 last week. its condition was slightly worse than i thought, but i still think the price was worth it ($1500). so far, i have replaced the tires and brake pads, and the bad (discovered when doing the front brakes) front wheel bearings. new sprockets and an original honda endless O-ring chain are on order, as is the (used) rear shock from a CBR900rr. i changed the oil and filter, using a fram filter and mobil-1. MVA title paperwork has been taken care of. i have two problems that i'd like advice on before asking a professional to look into them. one is the headlight: the bike had the highbeam burnt out when i got it. i replaced the bulb, and within two days the lowbeam was burnt out. could i have a voltage or power problem to the headlight? the second problem is the horn: didn't work when i got it, later worked intermittantly on the road. i took apart the switch assembly on the left handlebar to see if i could spot the problem, but couldn't (and didn't take the actual horn switch out). i put it back together and the horn worked perfectly for about 1/2 an hour, then hasn't worked at all since. the clearcoat had cracked and peeled and chipped away, so i'm definately going to have the bike tank, fender, and seat skirt repainted by a professional. i think i'm going to make it a dark (forrest) green, with only a silver honda wing logo on either side of the tank. the seat cover is also cracked and torn (the bike had been left outside for a while); does anyone know of a good, affordable place local to the greater DC area to re-pad and re-finish a bike seat? i don't want to lay out $200+ for a corbin if i don't have to. other problems are minor: missing lens on left front signal, missing bar end on right handlebar, slightly bent front brake level, a few rust spots. it should be ready for tuneup, state inspection, and temporary tags within a week or two. -D- Donald DiPaula (301) 982-4600 x119 ddipaula@XXXXXX Implementation Engineer | Customer Provisioning | BBN Planet "It must be indicative of something besides the redistribution of wealth." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 16:18:59 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 15:53:16 EDT From: "Mike DiTullio Lockheed Martin 609-272-2088" To: nj-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: used bikes for sale These bikes are at my local dealer, Fairway Cycle Somers Point NJ 609-927-2071. I have no financial interest in any of this, I just thought that some of these bikes were steals. 1993 Honda ST1100, 2300 miles, $7700 1994 Honda CBR1000, 7000 miles, $5700 1995 Honda VFR750, 8200 miles, $6500 the above bikes are in mint condition. 1989 Honda Hawk GT, 6000 miles, $3000 has full fairing work done to it and muzzy exhaust. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |mailto:michael.ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me | |mailto:spazman@XXXXXX |Atlantic City, NJ | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 STOC# 105 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 16:34:26 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:34:14 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: CB-1 update At 04:12 PM 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote: Almost any auto uphostery place will do a motorcycle seat. I had the seat for my SilverWing done at a place just south of Marumsco plaza on Rt 1 in Woodbridge about 3 yrs ago for $85. I think it was Kim's but I'm not sure. It turned out every bit as good as the original he also added some padding to make it a little taller and softer than it was. > the seat cover is also cracked and >torn (the bike had been left outside for a while); does anyone know of a good, >affordable place local to the greater DC area to re-pad and re-finish a bike >seat? i don't want to lay out $200+ for a corbin if i don't have to. > Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 16K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 17:13:14 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Clark Dorman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB-1 update In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960826163941.2c27c418@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Leon Begeman wrote: > At 04:12 PM 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote: > Almost any auto uphostery place will do a motorcycle seat. I had the seat > for my SilverWing done at a place just south of Marumsco plaza on Rt 1 in > Woodbridge about 3 yrs ago for $85. I think it was Kim's but I'm not sure. > It turned out every bit as good as the original he also added some padding > to make it a little taller and softer than it was. I've recently ordered new upholstery for my Yamaha XS650 from JC Whitney's. It was $34.98 (plus S&H) but doesn't come with any padding (you have to use the original or get your own). You can also order the more advanced touring seat kit for $57.77. If people are interested I'll let you know how difficult it is to install once I get it (or, if you already know, please send me advice). -- Clark Dorman "Evolution is cleverer than you are." http://cns-web.bu.edu/pub/dorman/D.html -Francis Crick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 17:40:50 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:42:22 -0400 From: Dale Coyner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ldrider@XXXXXX, st1100@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hsta@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 91 Honda ST-1100 w/RT Air Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still looking... I'm looking for a good home for my '91 Honda ST-1100. It's black, has 34K miles and is very clean. It's garaged and I have all service records. It has a stock windscreen cut down to sportbike height and a tall Rifle fairing for colder weather. I am asking $5,700 and am somewhat negotiable. As an added incentive, I'm throwing in a free round-trip airfare from frequent flyer miles. You can use it to fly in and ride the bike home (I'm in the Wash DC area), or if you're close by you can just keep the ticket and use it for whatever. FWIW in future bragging rights: This bike appears on the cover of "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians". You can see a picture of it at http://www.his.com/~dale/fotos/wryder2.jpg Contact me via e-mail or call me during the day at 703.903.5527 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 18:27:13 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:12:38 -0500 From: "Dr. Moze" Organization: The PressRoom Online Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Virago seat (Corbin) for *trade* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Corbin Virago seat in excellent condition for trade. It's on my '85 XV700, but I believe it will fit all 700cc+ Viragos from '84 to '95. It includes the removable solo backrest. I'd like to trade for another Virago seat, and will consider a stock seat as well. Must be in excellent condition also. Preferably in the DC/Baltimore area for a trade in-person. This seat isn't quite comfortable for me, so that's the reason I want to trade. (Yeah, I know, other Virago seats probably won't be any better but I gotta try!!) -- Dr. Moze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 19:05:34 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 18:50:59 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX, Donald DiPaula Subject: Re: CB-1 update Hi Don, I passed a CB-1 going north on Rt. 1 last Thurs. at about 7:15pm. Was that by any chance you on your new/used CB-1? Congrats. The electrical problems are probably related. Check the connections behind the headlamp and the fuses also. I know, not too profound a suggestion there. Sounds like your bike is going to be real nice. Speaking of which, how do you plan on keeping this one from being stolen. Personally I would consider your CB-1 a better prize than your your CBR600. I mean, hey, you can't throw a rock without hitting an F1/F2/F3 but how many CB-1s do you see. I'm not trying to rain on your parade but I wouldn't worry so much about the cosmetics until I had a secure place to store it. I might even be moved to make it look real ugly on purpose. Good luck, Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 21:53:51 1996 From: Timberwoof@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:52:30 -0400 To: ddipaula@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB-1 update ddipaula@XXXXXX (Donald DiPaula) wrote... > one is the headlight: the bike had the highbeam burnt out when i got it. i replaced the bulb, and within two days the lowbeam was burnt out. Set your voltmeter to 20V range (or whatever) and clip the leads across the battery. The voltage with everything off should be about 12V. Once it's started, it should be about 13.5V. Anything much higher than that will burn out headlights and other stuff. The voltage at idle may be 12V; there's usually some higher RPM when the alternator kicks in and starts making current. Above that speed, it should be a steady 13.5V. If the voltage is way too high, say 15V or more, or if it swings wildly (and the lights get brighter and dimmer) then replace the voltage regulator. (Lucky for us, there are no brushes to mess with because the windings are bolted to the clutch cover and a magnet attached to the crankshaft spins around inside them.) Replace the voltage regulator before you do anything else. For the horn, unclip its leads and hook up the voltmeter in its place, once again with the setting to the 20V range. It should read 0V. Beep the horn; the voltage should go up to 12V (or 13.5V with the engine running). If there's no current coming to the horn, then something in that circuit is broken. Look for blown fuses. If there is voltage, then I'd suspect the horn. It *may* be that the voltage regulator problem burned out the horn. Get a nice loud car horn from VW or Honda. $1500 is a pretty good price. In February I bought an '89 CB-1 in Santa Cruz for $2250. It was complete but grungy. I had to replace the battery, front tire, front brake pads, air filter, and fork seals. It's an excellent first bike! --Timberwoof From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 26 21:53:53 1996 From: Timberwoof@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:52:17 -0400 To: BWEINER@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB-1 update Bryndyn Weiner (bweiner@XXXXXX) wrote... > Speaking of which, how do you plan on keeping this one from being stolen. Personally I would consider your CB-1 a better prize than your your CBR600. I found a note on my CB-1 yesterday; someone wants to buy it, bashed fuel tank, scratched fender skirt, and all. I found that a Kryptonite motorcycle lock fits really nicely through the bungee-loops and over the rear fender. Then it's a matter of applying the lock in a way that makes it harder to steal the bike than just bringing a spare front wheel. --Timberwoof From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 01:04:56 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Garica Oliver To: dc-cycles Subject: bikes for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi. An acquaintence (w/o computer) has a bike for sale: 1979 Yamaha XS-1100 for around $600. His name is Brad and his phone is 332-9542. I'm selling a bike for a friend who's out of the country. It's a 1983 Suzuki GS-550E. Fair condition: 20k miles, good tires, new stator and regulator/rectifier, six-speed gearbox, dual front drilled discs, anti-dive suspension; BUT bike sometimes jumps out of 2nd gear if you accelerate hard, (ok otherwise). $750/bo. And one of my bikes, a 1976 Yamaha RD-400, 15k miles, stock (except for seat). Looks good, runs well (looks well, runs good? Well, good.). $1200. My phone # is 202-234-9229 (11a.m.-11p.m. is best), or e-mail. Thanks. --garcia "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather---not screaming in terror like his passengers." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 08:42:36 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:41:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marlea's Guy" To: Clubhouse , dc-cycles Subject: Dead Electrics In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, all; I have an 81 Honda, a CB650, with bad charging problems. Like, it wouldn't. Had the mechanics at Cycles USA work on it, they came up with: charging regulator rheostat. About $200 including labor. (For non-DC folks, the MD side of DC is where I live.) Brilliant me had them do it, and it changed nothing. Now it's out there again and they say it needs a new rotor. Almost $300 installed. I don't think the bike's worth it, not even the 200-some for the part. I think I should try to unload it on them for as much as I can squeeze out of 'em, unles anybody has any better ideas. After all, for me the bike is a toy, not primary transportation. Think I can get, what, maybe $750 from 'em? Or should I sell it to someone for parts, or does somebody have a new rotor (they said "charging rotor", which would mean alternator to me.) I could buy cheap and install? Is more likely to break on this bike now, at 15 years, even though it's got low miles? Anyway, holler at me! Andy ---------- Andrew F. Maddox - SysAdmin with Attitude - Staff Sergeant USMCR - Union YES! It's just MY opinion, dammit! madsox@[radix.net vetsclub.umd.edu] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 09:08:21 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:34:12 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Dead Electrics You said rotor, my guess would be stator, but in either case . . . Have you considered a used one? If you look carefully, you might be able to go to a junk yard, and get a wrecked motor for less than $200. I don't know what's involved in installing the part, but the tough part will be getting to it. On that bike, it shouldn't be too bad. At 08:41 AM 8/27/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hey, all; > >I have an 81 Honda, a CB650, with bad charging problems. Like, it >wouldn't. >Now it's out there again and they say it needs a new rotor. Almost $300 >installed. I don't think the bike's worth it, not even the 200-some for >the part. > > Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 16K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 09:17:06 1996 From: BillW@XXXXXX (Bill Watkins) To: clubhouse@XXXXXX (clubhouse), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: Covington International Travel Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:17:13 -0500 Subject: RE: Dead Electrics Hey Andy, maybe I'm all wet on this, but I'd make 'em be resposible for fixing it at their expense. Once I had to get a lawyer involved (only cost me $50.00). The premise is, they are the experts, they said this is the problem, I agreed, and their solution didn't work. The Lawyer said to them, either fix it like you said you would or give me a full refund for the work you've done already, or we'll sue. They thought about it, took the high ground, and fixed it to "save" their reputation. BillW@XXXXXX ---------- From: clubhouse[SMTP:clubhouse@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 1996 8:49 AM To: Clubhouse; dc-cycles Subject: Dead Electrics Hey, all; I have an 81 Honda, a CB650, with bad charging problems. Like, it wouldn't. Had the mechanics at Cycles USA work on it, they came up with: charging regulator rheostat. About $200 including labor. (For non-DC folks, the MD side of DC is where I live.) Brilliant me had them do it, and it changed nothing. Now it's out there again and they say it needs a new rotor. Almost $300 installed. I don't think the bike's worth it, not even the 200-some for the part. I think I should try to unload it on them for as much as I can squeeze out of 'em, unles anybody has any better ideas. After all, for me the bike is a toy, not primary transportation. Think I can get, what, maybe $750 from 'em? Or should I sell it to someone for parts, or does somebody have a new rotor (they said "charging rotor", which would mean alternator to me.) I could buy cheap and install? Is more likely to break on this bike now, at 15 years, even though it's got low miles? Anyway, holler at me! Andy ---------- Andrew F. Maddox - SysAdmin with Attitude - Staff Sergeant USMCR - Union YES! It's just MY opinion, dammit! madsox@[radix.net vetsclub.umd.edu] ------ Message Header Follows ------ IAA14001 for clubhouse-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:41:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:41:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marlea's Guy" To: Clubhouse , dc-cycles Subject: Dead Electrics In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-clubhouse@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 09:22:21 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:48:12 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: I need a $900 Commuter Bike. Does anyone have a CHEAP bike for sale? Ideally I'd like a bike that is mechanically sound but has been totalled for cosmetic reasons. Small is ok, but with a 20 mile commute, I don't think I want anything smaller than a 250. I'd like to stay away from the older stuff, I've already got that. I want a bike to ride to work for the next couple of years. My 650's are getting old enough that commuter duty is too hard on them. I don't really want to use up the automatic, it's nearly a classic. Thanks. Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 16K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 10:46:35 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:47:17 -0400 From: The Flying Dutchman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dead Electrics BillW@XXXXXX (Bill Watkins) advises: * * Hey Andy, maybe I'm all wet on this, but I'd make 'em be resposible for * fixing it at their expense. Once I had to get a lawyer involved (only * cost me $50.00). The premise is, they are the experts, they said this is * the problem, I agreed, and their solution didn't work. The Lawyer said to * them, either fix it like you said you would or give me a full refund for * the work you've done already, or we'll sue. They thought about it, took * the high ground, and fixed it to "save" their reputation. * Ya know, Andy, I'd agree with Bill here, if not just out of anger and the feeling of getting screwed, but for the fact that, as Bill says, their the "experts," and they should know better. I'd print out his response for reference, and have a chat with a lawyer. Best of luck to ya'. L8r, P8r. pverst1@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 11:22:29 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: Donald DiPaula cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB-1 update In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On the horn thing. This may sound really obvious, but have you checked the connections at the horn. Sometimes they hang out in the breeze and can get corroded. (My K100 has two horns and both crapped out within a month. Problem: wires leading to both rusted all the way through.) best of luck john thank you for your continued support From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 12:31:23 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marlea's Guy" To: Clubhouse cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dead Electrics In-Reply-To: <199608271447.KAA13501@alumni.umbc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, The Flying Dutchman wrote: > BillW@XXXXXX (Bill Watkins) advises: > * > * Hey Andy, maybe I'm all wet on this, but I'd make 'em be resposible for > * fixing it at their expense. Once I had to get a lawyer involved (only > * cost me $50.00). > Ya know, Andy, I'd agree with Bill here, if not just out of anger and > the feeling of getting screwed, but for the fact that, as Bill says, > their the "experts," and they should know better. I'd print out his > response for reference, and have a chat with a lawyer. Best of luck to ya'. I liked this advice. Called up the service manager and told him "I'm not spending *any* more money on this machine. You guys think about remitting the charge for that first repair, and doing it again, correctly. I'll call you back this afternoon." Pretty much those words. I was proud of myself - I stayed polite, didn't mention lawyers, and just got them started thinking. Which I've come to realize is hard for those poor bastards. No more mechanics!! I'm buying the dam' testing gear tomorrow, and I've got the Clymer's manual. Before I start doing everything myself, though, I'm getting my money's worth out of the scumbags out there. l8r, ND ---------- Andrew F. Maddox - SysAdmin with Attitude - Staff Sergeant USMCR - Union YES! It's just MY opinion, dammit! madsox@[radix.net vetsclub.umd.edu] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 13:36:35 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 13:32:18 EST From: "nicholsn" Encoding: 9 Text To: "Marlea's Guy" , clubhouse@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Dead Electrics I'm getting my money's worth out of the scumbags out there. l8r, ND Who _are_ these particular scumbags? Seems like other folk here need to avoid them, too. Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 13:44:57 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marlea's Guy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: clubhouse@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dead Electrics In-Reply-To: <9607278411.AA841177852@cc-emh1.optec.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ah! Good point, Nigel: Cycles, USA, in Silver Spring MD. I'm not actually sure that they're lying, thieving conniving bastards. They might just be incompetent. > Who _are_ these particular scumbags? Seems like other folk > here need to avoid them, too. > > Nigel Nicholson I'm looking at this as a learning experience: Lesson 1: Don't be cheap, buy the dam' tools and teach yourself to fix your ride. Lesson B: Be very, very, *VERY* careful what you buy and from whom. If it ain't a friend you know and trust, get one of those to help you inspect EVERYTHING. If you can't, don't buy it. Lesson III: I dunno, but I'm sure there's at least one more here to learn. l8r, ND From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 14:32:41 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:31:13 -0400 To: madsox@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: clubhouse@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dead Electrics Best way to avoid getting bad service on a bike is to avoid letting other people work on it. I have owned my BMW since new for 10 years. I have let a shop work on it exactly twice. The first time was at Colemans where I needed a quick 600 mile required service. As I headed out of the shop and into heavy Rt 7 traffic, I noticed that my right glove was soaked. The 3 screws that hold the top of the brake fluid reservoir on were not there anymore. I went home, didn't bother to complain; like they care! The second time I went to Rockville HD to have some fork seals replaced under warranty. One of the guys in the shop knocked the bike over one night and broke the "S" fairing on the bike. They bought a new one and sent it out for paint. I did not have to ask them to fix it; they volunteered very quickly to do it at obviously no cost to me. But it took about 2 weeks and I had to make some extra trips. Never went back for anything. Since then all the work has been done at home. Even if I need a tire done, I take the wheel off and take it to someone I know and trust to put it on rotating in the right direction.You don't have to be a genius to do your own work. You don't even have to go to the American Motorcycle Institute, though some feel you do. BTW I bought my BMW basically it was the simplest, most reliable bike you could get in '86. No FI, no radiator, no ABS, no chain, and arguably no power! You can change a head gasket in about 1/2 hour with a small handful of tools and hardly spill a drop of oil. (R-bike, of course; not K(omplicated)-bike). Steve 86 R65 (retired). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 14:55:20 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:54:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marlea's Guy" To: SRFox@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, clubhouse@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dead Electrics In-Reply-To: <960827143112_395255625@emout12.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 SRFox@XXXXXX wrote: > Best way to avoid getting bad service on a bike is > to avoid letting other people work on it. Amen, brother! I hope someone else can learn from me, instead of having to go through all the crap again on his/her own! ND ----- "We're neither pure, nor wise, nor good; we'll do the best we know" "Once you have found her, never let her go!" Missives from madsox, Marlea's Guy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 15:16:50 1996 Sender: phil@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:15:46 -0400 From: Phil Kester Organization: Visa Interactive X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4d) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SRFox@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, clubhouse@XXXXXX, madsox@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead Electrics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SRFox@XXXXXX wrote: > > Best way to avoid getting bad service on a bike is > to avoid letting other people work on it. > > I have owned my BMW since new for 10 years. I have > let a shop work on it exactly twice. The first time was at > Colemans where I needed a quick 600 mile required service. > As I headed out of the shop and into heavy Rt 7 traffic, I noticed > that my right glove was soaked. The 3 screws that hold the top > of the brake fluid reservoir on were not there anymore. I went home, > didn't bother to complain; like they care! Yeah, Colemans has a pretty poor reputation in general. OTOH, check out the service shop at Bobs BMW in Jessup MD. They are top shelf in all respects, IMO. -- Phil Kester Visa Interactive From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 27 15:30:10 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 15:26:24 EST From: "nicholsn" Encoding: 4 Text To: SRFox@XXXXXX, madsox@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: clubhouse@XXXXXX Subject: Re[4]: Dead Electrics Good tale about the BMW (R) bike. I hope I fare as well with the Thunderbird. Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 28 09:25:02 1996 From: dave@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 09:23:59 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FOR SALE For Sale- 1991 Suzuki Katana 600. Yosh pipe, Factory Stage 1 jet kit, K&N Filtercharger. 13.5K Miles. Very Red, Fast. Asking $2500. -Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Mangot Lab of Neurosciences | | dave@XXXXXX National Institute on Aging, NIH | | Work: (301)-594-7759 Bldg 10/ Rm 6C414 | | FAX: (301)-402-0595 Bethesda, MD 20892-1588 | | URL: http://adobe.nia.nih.gov/ | ---------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 29 07:59:35 1996 X-Sender: nranone2@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Nick Ranone Subject: 82 Virago 750 Maint Question I have a chance to buy an 82 Virago 750. It needs new rings in the rear cylinder. Can the rings be replaced with the motor on the bike? I am just curious as to how much work is in volved. Nick 82 Yamaha Vision (Action Jackson) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 29 08:27:57 1996 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:27:11 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: 82 Virago 750 Maint Question At 07:00 PM 12/31/69 -0400, Nick wrote: >I have a chance to buy an 82 Virago 750. It needs new rings in the rear >cylinder. >Can the rings be replaced with the motor on the bike? No. The book says you even have to remove the engine to replace the front rings. The front can be done, but you really have to want to. The problem is that the head bolts go all the way from the top of the head down to the block. You can't slide the head or cylinder up over the head bolts far enough to remove them. The motor isn't that hard to remove, you should be able to get the motor on the floor in about 3 hours. Be careful about the rear exhaust pipe - it isn't chromed and is probably ready to break off at the muffler. Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 16K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 29 12:21:16 1996 X-Sender: nranone2@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:19:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Nick Ranone Subject: 82 Virago 750 Maint Question II Wow, fast and accurate info. I love the internet. Next question on ring job. Does someone want to wag a price for the parts necessary? Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 29 13:18:15 1996 In-Reply-To: <99A1253201BD1190> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 13:14:26 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 82 Virago 750 Maint Question II X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Predicting the cost of a job like this is difficult as you will undoubtedly run across other troubles in the course of fixing the main one. I should imagine that an engine this old, if it needs rings on one cylinder, will probably need both. In addition, with the heads off, it is a good opportunity to take them to the machine shop for new valve guides and to check the seats for wear. Chuck in the cost of new gaskets and such and you're probably looking at several hundred dollars. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 29 17:32:11 1996 From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:31:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FOR SALE CR500 Posted for a non-netter friend: ****************************************************************************** *************** FOR SALE '92 HONDA CR500 MX BIKE ****************************************************************************** *************** Well Maintained, FMF pipe and silencer, Factory Connection suspension Very Nice $2500 OR best offer .... will consider possible trade for CR250 Contact #199 Chris Everhart 301.824.3145 (Hagerstown area) ****************************************************************************** **************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 30 08:56:04 1996 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Corbin Seat Review To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:54:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A week ago I received a Corbin Dual Touring Saddle for my BMW R100RS. First impression- looks good, high quality. It mounts with little fuss onto the old BMW seat cowl- They provided all new hardware, which was good since one screw into the old seat sheared off, and I had to use vise-grips to get two others off. The seat is very comfortable, worlds better than my 15 year old stock seat. A big reason why I got the seat was for my SO to be more comfortable, so I also got the backrest, (with hardware, almost $200 more). She found it to be the most comfortable motorcycle seat she has ever ridden on. As for me- I can't say I love it. I can no longer flat-foot the bike. I'm 5'10", pretty close to average height. The seat is very comfortable, but it forces my butt to one location- pretty far back. If I try to slide forward, the seat is a lot less comfortable. It seems to be made for folks with arms about 2 inches longer than mine. My elbows must remain nearly locked, stretched out from my body. One big disadvantage of this is that my previously comfortable HG V-Pilot jacket pulls up on my fore-arms and pulls tight around my wrists. I have not ridden yet wearing My Aerostitch, but I don't think the problem will follow. If I keep this seat, I'm going to have to look into a new set of handle-bars or bar-backs, which may be a pain, since the R100RS is tight in that area. Does anyone have experience with these types of mods on a BMW? I'm thinking that I will have to change the brake like to do this, I'm not sure what else will have to change. ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 30 09:44:40 1996 X-Sender: nranone2@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:43:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Nick Ranone Subject: Junkyard in Woodbridge Does anyone know the name and number to the motorcycle junk yard in woodbridge? It is H&H or S&H or something like that. Nick 82 Yamaha Vision (Action Jackson) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 30 09:59:23 1996 X-Sender: skight@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:58:40 -0400 To: mjb@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Scot Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:54 AM 8/30/96 -0400, Matt Bennett wrote: > >A week ago I received a Corbin Dual Touring Saddle for my BMW R100RS. >First impression- looks good, high quality. It mounts with little fuss >onto the old BMW seat cowl- They provided all new hardware, which was good >since one screw into the old seat sheared off, and I had to use vise-grips >to get two others off. > >The seat is very comfortable, worlds better than my 15 year old stock >seat. A big reason why I got the seat was for my SO to be more comfortable, >so I also got the backrest, (with hardware, almost $200 more). She found >it to be the most comfortable motorcycle seat she has ever ridden on. >As for me- I can't say I love it. I can no longer flat-foot the bike. >I'm 5'10", pretty close to average height. The seat is very comfortable, >but it forces my butt to one location- pretty far back. If I try to >slide forward, the seat is a lot less comfortable. It seems to be made for >folks with arms about 2 inches longer than mine. My elbows must remain nearly >locked, stretched out from my body. One big disadvantage of this is that >my previously comfortable HG V-Pilot jacket pulls up on my fore-arms and >pulls tight around my wrists. I have not ridden yet wearing My Aerostitch, >but I don't think the problem will follow. > >If I keep this seat, I'm going to have to look into a new set of handle-bars >or bar-backs, which may be a pain, since the R100RS is tight in that area. >Does anyone have experience with these types of mods on a BMW? I'm thinking >that I will have to change the brake like to do this, I'm not sure what >else will have to change. > I have a gunfighter and lady leather seat on my Ducati 900ss/cr.. its WONDERFUL but you really need to give it at least 1000 miles of saddle time to break in. Its very hard foam, but once it forms to you, its the best seat you will have ever had! Guaranteed :> Scot From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 30 11:11:37 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 11:22:47 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Review >>A week ago I received a Corbin Dual Touring Saddle for my BMW R100RS. [...] >> The seat is very comfortable, >>but it forces my butt to one location- pretty far back. If I try to >>slide forward, the seat is a lot less comfortable. It seems to be made for >>folks with arms about 2 inches longer than mine. My elbows must remain nearly >>locked, stretched out from my body. One big disadvantage of this is that >>my previously comfortable HG V-Pilot jacket pulls up on my fore-arms and >>pulls tight around my wrists. I have not ridden yet wearing My Aerostitch, >>but I don't think the problem will follow. I rode a K100RS with that seat and found it to be terrible. The seat was designed for a very upright seating position, which the RS does not have. Thus, I was leaned forward, with my privates pushed against the bulge in the front of the seat. Pretty poor ergonomics. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 30 13:12:54 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 12:44:41 To: 2strokes <2strokes@XXXXXX>, DC-Cycles Subject: Time for Czech GP on ESPN2 2night? D'ya know, D'ya know, D'ya know? Thanks, Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 30 13:43:47 1996 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:43:10 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: BWEINER@XXXXXX, 2strokes <2strokes@XXXXXX>, DC-Cycles From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Time for Czech GP on ESPN2 2night? According to www.iguide.com (TV Guide listings) for Eastern Time Zone 3 programs found. 7:00 pm Friday, Aug 30 ESP2 Motorcycle Racing Grand Prix of the Czech Republic -- 120 min. (Taped 18/08/96) 12:30 pm Monday, Sep 1 ESP2 Motorcycle Racing Grand Prix of the Czech Republic -- 120 min. (Taped 18/08/96) 11:00 pm Wednesday, Sep 4 ESP2 Motorcycle Racing Grand Prix of the Czech Republic -- 120 min. (Taped 18/08/96) At 12:44 PM 8/30/96, BWEINER@XXXXXX wrote: > >D'ya know, D'ya know, D'ya know? > >Thanks, >Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX >"It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." >RZ350, CB-1, RD400F > > Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 17K miles