From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 15:32:29 1995 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 15:31:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Ayscue Subject: Virgina Route 3? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-VMS-To: STSCIC::IN%"dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My SO and I are planning to ride down to Nag's Head (North Carolina Outer Banks) this weekend and I'm looking for a new road to try. Has anyone ridden Virgina route 3 from Fredericksburg to Norfolk? This looks like it might be a nice ride, and I'd like to hear from anyone else who's tried it. thanks Jon Ayscue ayscue@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 17:18:59 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Virgina Route 3? Date: Mon, 07 Aug 95 17:18:00 edt Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I haven't ridden Route 3 in a few years, but from what I recall it was more scenic than either Rt 17 or I-95/I64. It was also quite a bit slower. The reason I took Rt 3 the first time is because I didn't feel comfortable trying to keep up with the traffic on the other two routes. I also recall that it was relatively difficult at the south end trying to figure out where to go after the road ended. Leon. begeman@XXXXXX ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Virgina Route 3? >Date: Monday, August 07, 1995 3:31PM > > My SO and I are planning to ride down to Nag's Head (North Carolina >Outer Banks) this weekend and I'm looking for a new road to try. > Has anyone ridden Virgina route 3 from Fredericksburg to Norfolk? >This looks like it might be a nice ride, and I'd like to hear from anyone >else who's tried it. > >thanks > >Jon Ayscue >ayscue@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 11:35:22 1995 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:35:09 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Back to personal communicators So does anyone know what the laws for personal communicators are in DC/MD/VA? How about Walkmen? Headphones in helmets? I keep getting conflicting reports on what is legal and what isn't. - John From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 12:45:35 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 12:19:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: Personal Communicators I know that in Maryland, it is ILLEGAL to have headphones on, or to have 2 earplugs in, but it is LEGAL to have only one earplug in. I don't know about DC/VA. -Sash ___________________________________________________________________ Michael A. Dow AMA# 403971 | HRCA Member = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = '94 Honda VF750C Magna (still under 2K miles!) "I don't wanna pickle /I just wanna ride on my motorsickle" -Arlo ___________________________________________________________________ "Love is a matter of chemistry; sex is a matter of physics." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:18:17 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Back to personal communicators Date: Tue, 08 Aug 95 13:17:00 edt Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >So does anyone know what the laws for personal communicators are in >DC/MD/VA? >How about Walkmen? Headphones in helmets? I keep getting conflicting >reports on what is legal and what isn't. The only good place to find out the real answers to legal questions is in the library. For Virginia, start with the paperback of the most recent revisions to VA Code. With no prior experience, you should be able to find exactly what you need in about half an hour. I haven't found either Virginia or MD code on the Internet. The M/C driver's manual may cover it, but probably not. I know that you are allowed at least one speaker in both MD and VA. I also remember reading somewhere that a law that prohibits the Walkman for car drivers has an exemption for bikes, but I don't remember which state that was. As to actual practice, I have AM/FM/CB in my helmet with speakers for both ears. I have never had any legal problems with them. I always shut both stereo and CB off if I get pulled over. I doubt you will get any trouble unless you're acting like a squid and they figure you need a ticket for something. Leon. begeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:19:34 1995 Date: Tuesday, 8 August 1995 13:10 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Back to personal communicators In-Reply-To: The letter of Tuesday, 8 August 1995 11:59 ET I was stopped on my Sportster once in Baltimore and given a warning about a walkman. The officer told me that they are illegal to wear in a car, on a bicycle, or on a motorcycle. I do see people in cars ALL OF THE TIME!!! I also ride my dresser all the time with the headphones on which I am told is legal!? The cop that stopped me told me that he could see the cord, that was why he stopped me. The headphones on the dresser are about the same as the headphones on the walkman except that they attach to the bike. Some states do have laws about the use of headphones in the helmets but Md. isn't one of them. I don't know about Va. and DC for sure but I don't think that they do either. I don't have a hand mic for the CB so I use the one in the helmet. I will wait for the police to tell me that I can't use it before I will unplug it. I have taken trips to Ohio a few times and haven't had any problems. I will also be taking a trip next month to Atlanta..... Guess I will find out about the southern states... Carl B 91 XLH 94 FLHTCU From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:46:58 1995 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:46:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: RE: Virgina Route 3? >>I haven't ridden Route 3 in a few years, but from what I recall it was more >>scenic than either Rt 17 or I-95/I64. It was also quite a bit slower. The >>reason I took Rt 3 the first time is because I didn't feel comfortable >>trying to keep up with the traffic on the other two routes. I also recall >>that it was relatively difficult at the south end trying to figure out where >>to go after the road ended. Route 3 is the better way to avoid a lot of boat traffic, especially once you get past Westmoreland State Park. US 17 is tolerable on a weekday but weekends are pretty busy. Route 3 also crosses the Rappahanock River near the point where it empties into the Chesapeake and the bridge over it is pretty cool. Near its eastern terminus, Route 3 joins Route 14 and then ends up in Gloucester on US 17 Business. At that point you're about 8-10 miles from Yorktown. dale *************************************************************************** Appalachian Tour For Kids - September 30, 1995 - Info:dale@XXXXXX Explore Appalachian Highways: http://www.his.com/~dale *************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:49:18 1995 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:49:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Re: Back to personal communicators >So does anyone know what the laws for personal communicators are in DC/MD/VA? >How about Walkmen? Headphones in helmets? I keep getting conflicting >reports on what is legal and what isn't. I'm pretty sure headphones in helmets are okay in Virginia. I seem to recall the law was changed just a year or two ago to except motorcycles from the state statute. If you're an AMA member, you can get a card from them for free that lists all laws pertinent to motorcycles in the fifty states including headphones in helmets. dale *************************************************************************** Appalachian Tour For Kids - September 30, 1995 - Info:dale@XXXXXX Explore Appalachian Highways: http://www.his.com/~dale *************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:57:36 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: Personal Communicators Illegal Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Michael A. Dow" at Aug 8, 95 12:19:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 627 Michael A. Dow > > I know that in Maryland, it is ILLEGAL to have headphones on, or to have 2 > earplugs in, but it is LEGAL to have only one earplug in. I don't know > about DC/VA. > > -Sash I've also been told by our dear "arms of the law" that there is also regulation about smoking and driving and in many states, such as MD, it is illegal to smoke while driving! But nobody ever gets stopped for such violations, it is only when "they" are looking for you for other matters that they use such regulations to take you in and hold you for whatever reason. Kosmas "You can not petition the lord with prayor" Jim Morrison From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 16:52:00 1995 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 16:51:51 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Personal Communicators Illegal According to the AMA, the helmet and personal communicator laws in the MD/VA/DC area are as follows: Virginia: Anything goes. No restrictions on number of headphones or use in this state. Maryland: Only one earphone allowed. That restricts it to personal communicators. No walkmen. DC: Unclear. Apparently no restrictions. - John From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 11:30:40 1995 From: KRoy@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 11:30:10 EDT X-Priority: 1 (High) To: Subject: Tickets/local courts X-Incognito-SN: 239 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01 ENCRYPTED=NO I've recently had a run of bad luck in the speeding ticket department. I've gotten a ticket for going 78 on the beltway and one for going 63 on Viers Mill Rd. In neither case was I actually aware of how fast I was going (I was aware that I was at least accelerating faster than traffic but topping out no more than 3-5 mph over other fast moving traffic and then settling in to the same speed of other fast moving traffic). Anyway, I'm going to be going to court to do the guilty with an explanation thing (aka, guilty with begging). I wanted to see what 'techniques' other's had used to have their points reduced or eliminated. I was considering trying to get community service in lieu of the points or something else like that (maybe seeing if the MSF Advanced course would be worth something to the judge{s}). Any recommendations? (I've even considered selling the bike and hoping that would satisfy the judge... desperation - I'm just a poor guy...). I'm no scofflaw, I'm just hoping to keep my insurance from skyrocketing... Thanks, Kirk '88 Honda Hawk GT From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 12:04:00 1995 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:03:34 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: KRoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tickets/local courts I've recently had a run of bad luck in the speeding ticket department. I've gotten a ticket for going 78 on the beltway and one for going 63 on Viers Mill Rd. In neither case was I A friend of mine recommends going faster than the speed limit to keep out of the way of the crazies. Damned if ya do... damned if ya don't. I wanted to see what 'techniques' other's had used to have their points reduced or eliminated. I was considering trying to get community service in lieu of the points or something else like that (maybe seeing if the MSF Advanced course would be worth something to the judge{s}). You might find community service pretty disgusting. This can range from picking up trash on the roads to picking up dead animals from the testing lab to cleaning public restrooms (I'm told). For the MSF course, Virginia requires that your record be clean for the past 3 years and that the circumstances be such that you weren't totally negligent ("gee officer, I lost control 'cause I spilled the beer in my bike's cup-holder on my speedo and couldn't see how fast I was going...). I was recently charged with reckless driving in VA simply for low-siding the bike around a turn. They downgraded it from 6 points reckless to 3 points improper driving to no points / take the MSF Advanced course. I wasn't riding dangerously yet I was treated like a criminal for a mistake (loosing control of the bike). This plea bargaining stuff only works if you have a clean 3-year record. Any recommendations? (I've even considered selling the bike and hoping that would satisfy the judge... desperation - I'm just a poor guy...). I'm no scofflaw, I'm just hoping to keep my insurance from skyrocketing... If you get points, it'll be reported to your insurance and watch out... Sorry I don't have much in the way of technique for you. Basically you're at the mercy of the law. I was fortunate because trhe judge in my case was having a good day. Really nice person. I could have fought them instead of choosing the driver rehabilitation program but decided that being belligerent wasn't going to get me anywhere even if I wasn't culpable. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 12:06:03 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:05:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Accident In case any of you use Cycle Sport/Herndon for your repairs, the service manager, Dean Middleton, was involved in an accident last week on his RZ. Someone made a left turn in front of him. He seems to be ok and will be back next week; drop by and wish him well. BTW Dean and I used to roadrace together at Summit Point. He is a great mechanic (and racer) and if he works on your bike it will be fixed right. Steve 86 R65 (reliable, but no racer) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 12:49:03 1995 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:48:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Re: Tickets/local courts > I wanted to see what 'techniques' other's had used to have > their points reduced or eliminated. I was considering trying >Sorry I don't have much in the way of technique for you. Basically >you're at the mercy of the law. I was fortunate because trhe judge >in my case was having a good day. Really nice person. I could have >fought them instead of choosing the driver rehabilitation program >but decided that being belligerent wasn't going to get me anywhere I would have to concur with Hacker's advice. A lawyer friend from DC says that first, the best thing you can do is to show up for the court date rather than pay the fine. If the officer doesn't show, you have more leverage. And he says NEVER, EVER go into the courtroom with an attitude. >From your post, you do not sound like the kind of person that would. But it's clear that humility might get you somewhere while arrogance will get you nowhere. Good luck. dale *************************************************************************** Appalachian Tour For Kids - September 30, 1995 - Info:dale@XXXXXX Explore Appalachian Highways: http://www.his.com/~dale *************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:08:17 1995 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:08:09 -0400 (EDT) From: The Mad God To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 900sscr (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes one last post about the 900sscr.. But amazingly enough this is not a question about where to get it.. CAUSE I GOT IT!!!!!!!!! :> I am now the proud owner of one 'Big Red Bike' as quoted my my GF :> I took her out to Valley Cycle yesterday, and she drove my cage back while I rode the bike... and sumarrily got on the wrong road and I added 20 miles onto our trip :> (113 miles with the added 20 miles) I was just enjoying the riding so much I was not concerned whith where the cutoff was :> Now I guess its time to pamper the bike and follow the manual.. Hmm 2 services, one at 310 and onw at 625?! I thought there was only one service at 625. I am poor from the purchase of the bike.... Anyone want a partially used kidney? :> Hey its 2 am.. well hell almost 3am.. I have to be at work at 7.. and I cant sleep because i KNOW its in my garage :> Hmm maybe I should tape the sound and just have the sound replaying to me all night.. Ahhhh.. what a sound :> Since I am out of money now.. Is there any one out there in the DC area that would mind helping out a new Ducati owner in his bikes first (310 mi) service? I figure I will take the bike to battley for one of the 2 first services.. I am good with mechanic work, but I dont feel comfortable doing all this with no previous experience.. or tools.. :-/ And knowing how much I ride (to and from work every day + a little extra 30mi each way) that initial milage is going to go quick Thanks everyone for your help in my making a choice about what and where to get it :> I For the first time was sitting in a roy rogers, and heard a cbr coming... saw it.. and went "Oh.. a cbr.." rather then my previous "Hmm a cbr would be nice.." :> Tarjan@XXXXXX 1995 Ducati 900sscr (YeZ!) Oh btw.. who makes the best locks for the bike? right now I keep it in a garage.. but it might not allways be in a garage in about a month... I would really like something which would allow me to lock it to some non moving object (i.e. my car) But not have the lock be able to be freon'd and smashed witha hammer From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:33:46 1995 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: Dale Coyner cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tickets/local courts In-Reply-To: <199508101648.MAA10735@mail.his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Aug 1995, Dale Coyner wrote: > > I wanted to see what 'techniques' other's had used to have > > their points reduced or eliminated. I was considering trying > > >Sorry I don't have much in the way of technique for you. Basically > >you're at the mercy of the law. I was fortunate because trhe judge > >in my case was having a good day. Really nice person. I could have > >fought them instead of choosing the driver rehabilitation program > >but decided that being belligerent wasn't going to get me anywhere > > I would have to concur with Hacker's advice. A lawyer friend from DC says > that first, the best thing you can do is to show up for the court date > rather than pay the fine. If the officer doesn't show, you have more > leverage. And he says NEVER, EVER go into the courtroom with an attitude. > From your post, you do not sound like the kind of person that would. But > it's clear that humility might get you somewhere while arrogance will get > you nowhere. Good luck. > > dale i just got back from traffic court yesterday (not a mc related offense; it was for unpaid registration on the car). my fine was reduced from $260 to $25 including court costs. make sure you show proper respect for the court and the officer: dress up (suit if you have one, dress shirt and tie otherwise). you'd be amazed at how many people show up in street clothes; show the judge that you understand that any court is serious. don't badmouth the police officer or the law. judges don't react well to what they see as whining and pouting. bring any paperwork (the actual ticket, vehicle registration, written statements from witnesses, etc.) with you; tell the judge what you've brought. he may not look at it, but he'll understand that you put in at least minimal preparation before coming to court. judges often make decisions based on impressions. if they think you're trying to lie your way out of a ticket, they'll simply believe the cop. if they think you've made an honest, understandable mistake (and don't have a bad record), they'll often reduce the fine/points. if they think the cop made a mistake or omission or acted improperly, they'll usually let you go; they expect the defendants to not know the law, but they usually want the cops to follow the law to the letter and are less willing to let them fudge it. they have absolutely no sympathy for people who fail to appear; make that date! -D- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 14:17:57 1995 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 14:17:37 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tickets/Local courts >From hacker Thu Aug 10 14:16:24 1995 To: dale@XXXXXX, donald@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tickets/local courts don't badmouth the police officer or the law. judges don't react well to what they see as whining and pouting. Yup. No point complaining that the law sucks or is unfair. As Sly Stallone would say... "Da Law Is Da Law." In Virginia they charge you with reckless driving if you're in an accident that results in injury or property damage. You might say, "this totally sucks." Maybe it does. Doesn't matter to the arresting officer. He's just doing his job. "Da Law Is Da Law." Your time to argue whether or not you truly were reckless is in court. In Virginia, loosing control of your vehicle will get you 3 points improper driving right off the bat unless you can prove that you lost control due to some totally freak occurence. Even if you misjudge a corner. Yes it sucks. "Da Law Is Da Law" bring any paperwork (the actual ticket, vehicle registration, written statements from witnesses, etc.) with you; tell the judge what you've brought. he may not look at it, but he'll understand that you put in at least minimal preparation before coming to court. Oh yeah... bring a copy of your driving record! If you're clean this is invaluable for reducing your sentence. When I went to court I brought my MSF completion card, my helmet and my leathers just to show them that I'm a safe rider. I was ready for a fight but took the easy way out and opted for the MSF Advanced course. you go; they expect the defendants to not know the law, but they usually want the cops to follow the law to the letter and are less willing to let them fudge it. Researching the nature and consequences of your alleged crime is a good thing. Helps you make decisions BEFORE going to court. Get an idea of what you're facing and what decisions you'll make before getting there. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 14:36:24 1995 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 14:28:16 PDT From: Michael Majzel Sender: Michael Majzel Subject: Kaw ZX-9R For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not sure if it's OK to post a "for sale", so please don't come down on me too hard. I have a 1995 Kawasaki ZX-9R 900cc burgandy color sport bike for sale. I purchased it in April and still have less than 1000 miles on it. It has never been out in the rain and is garage kept. It's showroom condition. I am asking $9500 with cover and tank cover or best offer. I am selling it because I have a touring motorcycle and find I ride it all the time and not the Kaw. It just is not suited to my riding style. I bought it because I always wanted a fast sport bike and now can't afford both. So it's got to go. Email me if interested, Mike ------------------------------------- Name: Michael Majzel E-mail: mmajzel@XXXXXX (Michael Majzel) Date: 08/10/95 Time: 14:28:16 ------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 00:03:57 1995 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Personal Communicators Illegal In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 08 Aug 95 14:57:33 -0400. <199508081857.OAA13283@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 23:49:31 -0400 From: Phil Kester Michael A. Dow writes: > > I know that in Maryland, it is ILLEGAL to have headphones on, or to have 2 > earplugs in, but it is LEGAL to have only one earplug in. I don't know > about DC/VA. I'm guessing that this one earplug law you speak of must refer to radio earplugs. If not, the implication is that it is illegal to ride/drive if you are deaf, which surely it is not. Phil From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 10:16:34 1995 From: gse@XXXXXX (Scott Evans) Subject: FS: Nighthawk S To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:15:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 532 Sigh. Well, folks, I'm selling my 1984 Honda Nighthawk S. About 13k miles, well-maintained, very good condition. Includes cover and lock. This is a nice bike; it runs great and is virtually maintenance-free. $1700/obo -- serious inquiries only, please. I'm in northern Virginia. I'd be happy to provide more details; email or call me at 703-319-1281. -- scott evans http://ocsystems.com/~gse it's a shame when the parts fit gse@XXXXXX but the machine won't work From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 11:50:05 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:50:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: rides Sounds like you had a good ride this weekend. I ended doing 600 pavement pounding miles through MD and PA over the weekend on my bike. The good news is that I81 is now 65 mph between Harrisburg and WilkesBarre, and traffic was generally moving at 80. Steve 86 BMW R65 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 16:01:32 1995 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:01:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman X-Sender: morris@geni34 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather Cleaning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As some of you may know (those that joined us last Saturday for our educational journey through Antietam) I had a small house fire over the weekend. The insurance company has graciously volunteered to pay for having my (brown) Hein Gericke jacket cleaned. Has anyone in the area had any particuliarly good experiences with any or leather launderers or any particuliarly bad experiences with same? Any suggestions/ recomendations on how it should be cleaned (to remove smoke particles/etc.)? I am looking for places (preferably) in the northern DC suburbs or southern Bal'mer (Is this the proper, no "t" spelling?) suburbs. Thanks, in advance! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://lamp0.arl.mil:8080/~morris MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee Yamaha XJ550M [Yorick] (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- "Let's remember that there is only one nature - the division into science and engineering... is a human imposition, not a natural one. Indeed, the division is a human failure; it reflects our limited capacity to comprehend the whole." - Bill Wulf From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 08:33:29 1995 From: Vimarsh Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:33:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: EX500 Inspection I am going to buy an EX500 contingent on the fact that it passes inspection today. I am not sure where to go for inspection. I am thinking of going to Harley-Davidson of Rockville for a full MD inspection of the bike. Any things I should be looking out for... Any other inspection places that are particularly meticulous when inspecting the bike would help... Let me know Thanks, Vimarsh From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 10:30:30 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:30:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: EX500 Inspection The guys at Cycles USA in Silver Spring are quite meticulous about inspections, and their generally quite good and conscientious in general. You can call them at 460-1600 for info, directions, etc. Cheers, -Sash ___________________________________________________________________ Michael A. Dow AMA# 403971 | HRCA Member | DoD# 1808 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = '94 Honda VF750C Magna ("Thanks, but it's not a Harley") in Yellow! "I don't wanna pickle /I just wanna ride on my motorsickle" -Arlo ___________________________________________________________________ "Love is a matter of chemistry; sex is a matter of physics." From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 10:58:24 1995 From: gse@XXXXXX (Scott Evans) Subject: Re: EX500 Inspection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:57:04 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Michael A. Dow" at Aug 25, 95 10:30:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1029 > The guys at Cycles USA in Silver Spring are quite meticulous about > inspections, and their generally quite good and conscientious in general. My experience there was kinda frustrating . They inspected my Nighthawk S when I bought it a few years ago, and told me that it didn't have the reflectors it needed at the bottom of the forks. No big deal, I was told, I could just buy a few stick-on reflectors upstairs, stick them on, and what I did with them after I left was my business. Seven bucks for a couple of crappy stick-on reflectors that he knew I was going to throw out on my way out! Plus, the bike was *dead* stock -- obviously, there were never any reflectors down there to start with. But what was I supposed to do? I've heard this about a number of bike dealers -- they turn inspections into nit-picking money-making opportunities. -- scott evans http://ocsystems.com/~gse it's a shame when the parts fit gse@XXXXXX but the machine won't work From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 11:13:42 1995 From: Vimarsh Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:13:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: EX500 is it a good deal ?? Well thanks for all the info about the various inspection stations in the area. I would appreciate it if any of you know of any inspection stations in the Rockville area other than HD because they are booked till Tuesday. This is the deal I am getting on the bike $2000 for a Kawasaki EX500 '91 with 3500 miles on it. Is it a good deal Letme know Thanks Vimarsh From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 12:08:38 1995 From: "jay gitomer" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:08:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: Vimarsh "EX500 is it a good deal ??" (Aug 25, 11:13am) X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R'ville HD Inspection (Was Re: EX500 is it a good deal ??) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 25, 11:13am, Vimarsh wrote: > Subject: EX500 is it a good deal ?? > > Well thanks for all the info about the various inspection stations in the area. > I would appreciate it if any of you know of any inspection stations in the Rockville area other than HD because they are booked till Tuesday. Don't go there unless you have to. They inspected my 79 Sportster in November when I bought it, and found X number of things wrong. I didn't have them all fixed within 30 days, so I brought it back for a whole new inspection about 60 days later. During that time, the bike had not been ridden more than 20 miles. The 2 inspections were done by the same mechanic, but he found completely different things wrong. Some of them were clearly just sloppy work-- like, the first time my doubleseat passed even w/o the handhold-- but the second time it failed. Some things were either dangerous mistakes, or outright rip-offs-- like the tires that passed the first time, but the second time failed due to worn tread. The brakes passed the first time and failed the second time, too. Those are things that I _want_ to be failed if they're shaky. In addition, the bolt-- I'm losing it here, can't remember what it's called-- the bolt that goes through the center of the rear wheel was stripped. When we complained, the service manager said it was like that when we brought it in... but we'd loosened that bolt to tighten the chain before we brought it in, and it _wasn't_ stripped. I felt ripped off and pissed off by the whole experience and I will never spend another dime at Rockville Harley-Davidson. Jay G. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 12:46:41 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: "Cycles, DC" Subject: Re: EX500 Inspection Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 12:41:00 edt Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >My experience there was kinda frustrating . They inspected my Nighthawk S ...[stuff deleted] >I've heard this about a number of bike dealers -- they turn inspections >into nit-picking money-making opportunities. I need to have my bike inspected soon too. I would have thought that where garages and cycle shops do inspections this type of thing is a common problem. In Australia, where I'm from, there are independent inspection stations. Is there no place here to go for an inspection that has no interest in repairing any problems (perceived or otherwise) that have been diagnosed? Mark B From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 12:48:53 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:48:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: inspection It sounds like you guys have it rough on inspection there in Maryland. here in VA I drive in the local gas station, get a light/horn/tire/front pad check, and I'm gone in 5 minutes. Steve From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 12:51:34 1995 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:51:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: DC CYCLIST Subject: Inspection stations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At all costs, avoid going to an inspection station that services motorcycles. If they service motorcycles they will find something wrong with it; they want you to either have them fix it or buy a parts from them. My friend in Bowie goes to a guy over there who doesn't work on them and charges only about $30. I went to a place in Kensington called D&R (301-949-5928) but I was leary when the guy said the brake light wouldn't come on when applying the hand brake and he recommened that I get it fixed at the local motorcycle shop which coincidentally recommended that particular inspection station. It turned out to be a loose connector that I fixed at the inspection station in 2 seconds. The guy seemed irked that I had found the problem. Probably meant he wouldn't get his finder's fee. If you go there just be cautious. Also, do not use the MD (safety) inspection as a way of checking out whether you are buying a good bike. Get a prepurchase inspection if you want to find out whether or not it is a good bike and ask the seller to get the bike through the MD inspection. Call around to some gas stations that do car inspections and ask them if they inspect Motos too. If anybody wants the name and number of the place in Bowie, email me. Bryndyn, email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-stokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 13:03:27 1995 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Tobias To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Taco Bell DOESN'T server bikers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I finished reading an article posted to rec.moto where the poster claimed that Taco Bell refused to wait on him because he tried to go through the drive through on his bike. (the drive through was all that was open at the time) I called Taco Bell, (800) 822-6253, and was told that this was *typically* their policy. Others of you may wish to call to either verify this response or to voice your displeasure (or support ?) of this policy. Regards, Bob Tobias =========================================================================== Phone: (301) 897-8859 Fax: (301) 897-5354 e-mail: tobias@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 13:08:23 1995 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Tobias To: "Bartlett, Mark" cc: "Cycles, DC" Subject: Re: EX500 Inspection In-Reply-To: <303DFE68@SMTP2.mm.hub.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had my bike inspected at an Exxon station on East/West highway about a mile west of Rt 1. They don't work on bikes so their only interest is completing the inspection. The mechanic's name is George. The cross street is... Anybody know? =========================================================================== Phone: (301) 897-8859 Fax: (301) 897-5354 e-mail: tobias@XXXXXX On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Bartlett, Mark wrote: > > > >My experience there was kinda frustrating . They inspected my Nighthawk S > ...[stuff deleted] > >I've heard this about a number of bike dealers -- they turn inspections > >into nit-picking money-making opportunities. > > I need to have my bike inspected soon too. I would have thought that where > garages and cycle shops do inspections this type of thing is a common > problem. In Australia, where I'm from, there are independent inspection > stations. Is there no place here to go for an inspection that has no > interest in repairing any problems (perceived or otherwise) that have been > diagnosed? > > Mark B > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 13:18:35 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: "Cycles, DC" Subject: re: R'ville HD inspect. Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 13:17:00 edt Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Jay G. writes... >I felt ripped off and pissed off by the whole experience and I >will never spend another dime at Rockville Harley-Davidson. So is there a Harley dealer/repairer convenient to the DC area that you would recommend? My father is looking to buy a sportster. Mark B From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 13:46:16 1995 From: revell@XXXXXX (James R Revell Jr) Subject: Re: Taco Bell DOESN'T server bikers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:45:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 863 > I finished reading an article posted to rec.moto where the poster claimed > that Taco Bell refused to wait on him because he tried to go through the > drive through on his bike. I've been through the drive-thru's of two Northern VA Taco Bell's on my bike (one of them a number of times) and never had a problem with service As for any drive-thru, I do have to cutoff the engine to place the order, and I usually notice that the last stretch of the drive-thru often has a lot of oil right where I want to put my feet down though. I can see where a chain's lawyers might consider the later a potential risk. I doubt Taco Bell is alone in having a policy about this (it sounds like pure CYA), but I also doubt it's invoked much. How many fast-food workers are up on all of the policies of their company? -- James Revell KE4SLA /8^{~ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 14:13:07 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: EX500 Inspection To: tobias@XXXXXX (Bob Tobias) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Bob Tobias" at Aug 25, 95 01:08:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 965 > > > I had my bike inspected at an Exxon station on East/West highway about a > mile west of Rt 1. They don't work on bikes so their only interest is > completing the inspection. The mechanic's name is George. The cross > street is... Anybody know? > Riggs road. Green Meadows Exxon. Good guys there, I've gotten all of my bikes inspected there. Go when they are not busy, chat with the inspector, show you are competent. I get the feeling that the inspectors there inspect the person as well as the motorcycle. If the guy gets the feeling that you have the wherewithall to keep the bike in a good safe condition, he will let borderline things pass that other places will fail you for. Don't go there expecting a free ride though, if the bike looks like it is not well cared for, he will look closer for problems. Rumor has it that the inspector there likes to do inspections because he just likes riding different bikes all the time. Matt From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 18:43:18 1995 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 18:43:18 -0400 From: eruiz@XXXXXX (Eduardo C. Ruiz) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HRCA ride Is any one going to the HRCA's Ride For Kids in Columbia MD? If so drop me a line. May-be we can ride up in a group. Ed Blue KnightHawk Ruiz From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 19:05:46 1995 From: "skip farmer" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:09:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: Marasco Newton Group "Inspection stations" (Aug 25, 12:51pm) X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 6apr95 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection stations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just noticed this: On Aug 25, 12:51pm, Marasco Newton Group wrote: > Subject: Inspection stations > > them and charges only about $30. I went to a place in Kensington called > D&R (301-949-5928) but I was leary when the guy said the brake light wouldn't > come on when applying the hand brake and he recommened that I get it fixed > at the local motorcycle shop which coincidentally recommended that > particular inspection station. It turned out to be a loose connector that They did the same to me. I have to have the bike re-Inspected and I am afraid that they are going to find more stuff wrong! I can't afford it! They missed the fact that my tac cable was cracked off and hanging lose by the front tire. It must have smacked the mechanic in the face while he worked on it. Skip From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 20:58:59 1995 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: my own worst nightmare To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Taco Bell DOESN'T server bikers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Bob Tobias wrote: > I finished reading an article posted to rec.moto where the poster claimed > that Taco Bell refused to wait on him because he tried to go through the > drive through on his bike. (the drive through was all that was open at > the time) I called Taco Bell, (800) 822-6253, and was told that this was > *typically* their policy. not sure about where you're at, but in DE i've had no problem going through any taco bell at any time... in fact, they often compliment me... the only problem i've run across is the occasional "i can't hear you cause of your helmet" so i just lift up the front... that's about it. seth '91 CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 13:42:51 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 13:48:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Inspection in MD... Does anyone have the actual LAW as to what pertains in a = legitimate inspection in the state of MD? I recently sold a guy a bike and promised it would pass = inspection. I brought it upto VA inspection standards. It = failed the MD inspection. pierre= From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 11:29:33 1995 Date: Monday, 28 August 1995 11:22 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EX500 Inspection In-Reply-To: The letter of Friday, 25 August 1995 13:09 ET When I bought my Sportster in '92 I had it inspected at a certified inspection station in Glen Burnie that was a body shop. They did a very good job. The bike only had 600 miles on it and was fully stock (I did put the stock pipes back on for the inspection) so there wasn't anything for them to find. I personally would NEVER take a bike to a bike shop for an inspection. There should be a law against it since it is definatly is a conflict of interest. Has anyone talked to the state about some of these rip-off shops??? Carl B. 91 XLH 94 FLHTCU From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 13:42:58 1995 From: steveb@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:43:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dirt Drags For anyone who is interested, the Rawlings Dirt Dragers will be holding their annual Labor Day Weekend campout and dirt drags in Rawlings Maryland. This event is a lot of fun to attend. You can see just about any kind of bike you can imagine, from 50cc mini's to Nitro burning sport bikes and Harley's. And just about every thing in between. The old Kawasaki 2 stroke triples alone, are something to see. Let me tell you, these people are CRAZY, and it's worth seeing at least once. They race down a hard packed dirt track with a runoff area that goes up the base of a mountain. There are large grass fields on both sides of the track for camping. They usually start racing around 6:00 pm on Saturday, and keep going for however long it takes. I remember one year they were still going strong at 3:00 am when the police came and politely asked them to finish up until the following day, which they did. They do a complete set of eliminations on Saturday night, and then do it all over again on Sunday starting at about 1:00 pm. They are located about 20 miles south of Cumberland Maryland on Route 220. These phone numbers are from last years add, but I think they are still valid. 301-729-3532 and 301-359-9246. Give it a try. You won't be disappointed. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 15:02:18 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: EX500 Inspection Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 14:52:00 edt Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 . . . a bunch of stuff deleted >back on for the inspection) so there wasn't anything for them to find. I >personally would NEVER take a bike to a bike shop for an inspection. There >should be a law against it since it is definatly is a conflict of interest. >Has anyone talked to the state about some of these rip-off shops??? On the other hand, If you take the bike to a shop for some other work, and ask "Oh, by the way, would you also do the inspection?" The shop gets the other work it is entitled to, and you get an inspection where the shop is also looking out for your interests as well as theirs. (They look out for your interest because they would like to see you back as a regular customer.) If as you say you never take a vehicle to be inspected where the shop does anything other than inspect it, It would be in the shop's interest to see that the bike fails. After all if they miss something the state comes down hard on them, and if they pass it, they never see you again anyway. Shop owners (except in tourist areas) are more comfortable with a regular clientele that they can count on in good times and bad. In my experience, motorcycle shops are more dependant on a regular customers than other shops because they need regular customers to insure they get to eat in the winter time. Don't be so hard on them, most of them are doing the same as you - trying to make a living without putting up with a bunch of hassle from guys they'll never see again. Leon. BegemanL@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 11:48:29 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: EX500 Inspection To: BartletM@XXXXXX (Bartlett Mark) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <303DFE68@SMTP2.mm.hub.nih.gov> from "Bartlett, Mark" at Aug 25, 95 12:41:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1413 Bartlett, Mark > > > I need to have my bike inspected soon too. I would have thought that where > garages and cycle shops do inspections this type of thing is a common > problem. In Australia, where I'm from, there are independent inspection > stations. Is there no place here to go for an inspection that has no > interest in repairing any problems (perceived or otherwise) that have been > diagnosed? Now that you mentioned this, I had been told that there are a few or a place that is run by the state police and does state inspections. If there is I am sure they have no interest in making money by fixing things that do not need to be fixed, but I am pretty sure that they find out every little thing that is wrong an of which the local garage would probably miss. Either intentionally, because they don't make much money by fixing it, or unintentionally because they don't want to spend all day looking at the thing, if they have already found out a couple of sources of profit. A tire, brake pads, a horn, a light balb, but never a sorting out electrical system that makes turn signals light at their own will, while the headlight deems down and the brake light goes off. Is profit evil? There is the red bear from the north, and the blue bear from the west. No matter what you do, you must peek a bear or both the bears eat you alive. Or is there an other alternative? > Mark B Kosmas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 12:15:46 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: Inspection in MD... To: pierre@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9508261748.AA01519@nova.org> from "Thomas Piergallini" at Aug 26, 95 01:48:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1496 Thomas Piergallini > > > Does anyone have the actual LAW as to what pertains in a = > legitimate inspection in the state of MD? > > I recently sold a guy a bike and promised it would pass = > inspection. I brought it upto VA inspection standards. It = > failed the MD inspection. In Virginia the law is designed to protect the rider. In Maryland the law protects others from liabilities against the rider. All this IMHO. The Fed and local government imposed a helmet law, with the logic that uninsured (health wise) bikers do not inflict harm on the budgetary status of the state, and therefore its citizens, by having public money going to dissability, burial, putting somebody's head together. Not a single state yet has passed regulations that prevents health insurance companies from discontinuing coverage because of a motorcycle registration in the client's name or a license for the same. Does this sound offensive to you? You'll say, yeah, I know, I got AMA, they protect my rights. Why doesn't AMA produce a list of health insurance companies that do not discriminate against riders? IMHO, because it is to their advantage for riders to have their health insurance cut off! They draw power out of it, while they might loose some if they black list certain "large" insurance companies. Think globally, act locally, like the greenies say. Start your local riders club if you want to be riding all the way to your golden years without committing a crime. Kosmas > pierre= From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 21:21:41 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:20:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: hacker@XXXXXX (Dark Hacker) Subject: Re: inspection >It sounds like you guys have it rough on inspection there in Maryland. here >in >VA I drive in the local gas station, get a light/horn/tire/front pad check, >and I'm >gone in 5 minutes. Same here. I dropped mine at Merchant's Tire and it passed no problem within 30 minutes. The guy that did the inspection put the sticker RIGHT ABOVE the shock on the left fork so half of it got scrapped off due to bumps in the road. He should know better. - Hacker "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ORGANIZATION: Fortress Of Computation EMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX NEXTMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX WWW: HTTP://www.access.digex.net/~hacker FTP: FTP://ftp.digex.net/~hacker SPOKEN: Dark Hacker TWISTED DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER: BWWAH HA HA HA HAA HA HA HA HA!!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 10:04:32 1995 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:05:59 -0400 From: "Norwicke, Glenn" Sender: "Norwicke, Glenn" Organization: APA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help! X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Some moronic jogger took me out this morning and I need some help. I was coming in front of the Capitol and I notices him crossing the street (not in the crosswalk) at an angle so I moved a lane over. I have a 93 Honda CBR600 with a Muzzy exhaust so I always (well so i thought) get noticed. As I got closer I laid on the horn but he never flinched. I jammed on the brakes (only going about 25-35) but he never blinked an eye. He hit my front end and sent both of us flying. He must have been in a zone because he didn't have a walkman on. Anyway the cops came and said it was totally his fault but my poor bike is trashed. The right side fairings are really messed up and since the bike impacted the corner of the curb it cracked the engine casing and out came a bubblin' crude. Various other things are wrong also. The bike is parked in front of the Capitol and I need to get it towed, anyone got any recommendations? Plus I need to get it fixed. I have full coverage so it will be covered, any recommendations to a local dealer? :-( Glenn From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 11:13:03 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Help! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 11:03:00 edt Encoding: 38 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I don't have a lot of sympathy for you, you ought to be able to miss a jogger in broad daylight. However, here is the address of a guy that hauls bikes. Independent Motorcycle Transport (301) 946-5412 PO Box 456 Rockville, Maryland ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Help! >Date: Wednesday, August 30, 1995 10:05 > >Some moronic jogger took me out this morning and I need some help. I was >coming in front of the Capitol and I notices him crossing the street (not >in the crosswalk) at an angle so I moved a lane over. I have a 93 Honda >CBR600 with a Muzzy exhaust so I always (well so i thought) get noticed. >As I got closer I laid on the horn but he never flinched. I jammed on the >brakes (only going about 25-35) but he never blinked an eye. He hit my >front end and sent both of us flying. He must have been in a zone because >he didn't have a walkman on. Anyway the cops came and said it was totally >his fault but my poor bike is trashed. The right side fairings are really >messed up and since the bike impacted the corner of the curb it cracked >the engine casing and out came a bubblin' crude. Various other things are >wrong also. > >The bike is parked in front of the Capitol and I need to get it towed, >anyone got any recommendations? Plus I need to get it fixed. I have full >coverage so it will be covered, any recommendations to a local dealer? >:-( > >Glenn > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 12:07:58 1995 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:07:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help! In-Reply-To: <5314707501D7C1AA@email.apa.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Norwicke, Glenn wrote: > Some moronic jogger took me out this morning and I need some help. I was > coming in front of the Capitol and I notices him crossing the street (not > in the crosswalk) at an angle so I moved a lane over. I have a 93 Honda > CBR600 with a Muzzy exhaust so I always (well so i thought) get noticed. > As I got closer I laid on the horn but he never flinched. I jammed on the > brakes (only going about 25-35) but he never blinked an eye. He hit my > front end and sent both of us flying. He must have been in a zone because > he didn't have a walkman on. Anyway the cops came and said it was totally > his fault but my poor bike is trashed. The right side fairings are really > messed up and since the bike impacted the corner of the curb it cracked > the engine casing and out came a bubblin' crude. Various other things are > wrong also. > > The bike is parked in front of the Capitol and I need to get it towed, > anyone got any recommendations? Plus I need to get it fixed. I have full > coverage so it will be covered, any recommendations to a local dealer? > :-( > > Glenn > > Sorry to hear about your misfortune and I wish I could offer you some advice but I don't have an experience with local repair shops. I was however wondering how the jogger made out. How about yourself? Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 12:50:43 1995 From: ma1scb%OIT.GroupWise.GWUMC@XXXXXX X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 30-Aug-1995 12:49:26 -0400; at CRASH.GWUMC X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 30-Aug-1995 12:46:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 30 Aug 95 12:46:25 EDT Subject: Help! -Reply If you have full coverage, you may want to check with your ins. co. to see if they cover a flat-bed tow (and tell which one to use). Just a though. -sean From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 13:38:36 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: New Subscriber with some questions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 851 So, I finally got off my butt and checked on the WWW for moto-lists in my area. The closest I found was this one. I'm in Richmond, VA (as one can tell from my sig) and would like to hear from motards in the northern VA area. I've been living here for about 6 months but only got money together about 2 months ago to get a new bike. I'm looking for people to hook up with for riding and suggestions about good roads in the area from Richmond up to DC. thanks, uncle dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 21:25:35 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:24:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: hacker@XXXXXX (Dark Hacker) Subject: Re: Help! -Reply >If you have full coverage, you may want to check with your >ins. co. to see if they cover a flat-bed tow (and tell which one >to use). Just a though. And since he rides a Honda he might look into the Honda Rider's Club. I think they have a towing sevice of some kind. So does AMA. - Hacker "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ORGANIZATION: Fortress Of Computation EMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX NEXTMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX WWW: HTTP://www.access.digex.net/~hacker FTP: FTP://ftp.digex.net/~hacker SPOKEN: Dark Hacker TWISTED DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER: BWWAH HA HA HA HAA HA HA HA HA!!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 21:25:59 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:24:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: hacker@XXXXXX (Dark Hacker) Subject: Re: FW: cams slogan >1. "Where the hell are we?" I like it a lot. Best of the three. >2. "Diner to diner" Ride to dine, dine to ride? >3. "Ride on reserve" This one is elegant. - Hacker "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ORGANIZATION: Fortress Of Computation EMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX NEXTMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX WWW: HTTP://www.access.digex.net/~hacker FTP: FTP://ftp.digex.net/~hacker SPOKEN: Dark Hacker TWISTED DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER: BWWAH HA HA HA HAA HA HA HA HA!!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 09:20:35 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: 85? I was really going 85, officer? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:16:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1413 So, two months ago I bought my first sport bike, a CBR600f3. Brand new. Not only my first sport bike, but also my first brand new bike. I have to say that I'm loving it. I knew that eventually with a bike like that I would attract the attention of the local enforcers of law and order here in the Richmond area and two nights ago, "eventually" happened. I was cruising down rte 106 out east of Richtown at easily 85. I know that I hit 95 at one stretch. A one point, two cars were approaching from the opposite direction. The second turned out to be a Charles City sheriff. I thought "Well, it had to happen." So I slowed down while watching him turn around and come after me with his lights flashing. To make it short and sweet... I didn't get a ticket. 85 in a 55 zone and I didn't get a ticket. It's the first time that I've been pulled over for something that I walked away without that empty feeling in my wallet. He said "Mr. Cook, you have to slow down!" and I said "I will", yeah right for all of 5 minutes. uncle dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 10:37:37 1995 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 10:42:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 85? I was really going 85, officer? > He said "Mr. Cook, you have to slow down!" and > I said "I will", yeah right for all of 5 minutes. > > uncle dan > i think you will reconsider this attitude after paying $3000 in fines and a 60 jail sentence, like my FZR exerienced while i was being chased on it one day. Or maybe after a Louisianna parish sheriff slams your body onto the hood of his crusier for doin' a buck 20 through his turf. Just some gentle thoughts, to help your perspective in the matter. :-) pierre From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 11:30:09 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: "Cycles, DC" Subject: Re: 85? I was really...? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 11:29:00 edt Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >> He said "Mr. Cook, you have to slow down!" and >> I said "I will", yeah right for all of 5 minutes. > >> uncle dan >i think you will reconsider this attitude after paying $3000 in >fines and a 60 jail sentence, like my FZR exerienced while i was >being chased on it one day. >Or maybe after a Louisianna parish sheriff slams your body onto the >hood of his crusier for doin' a buck 20 through his turf. Pierre, sounds like you and your bike love to make friends and influence people! I hope it doesn't take as much to get uncle Dan to slow down as it took for you "to get your perspective in the matter." :-) Mark B From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 22:11:36 1995 From: Vimarsh Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:11:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Problems with ex500 HELP !! When I startup the bike some green stuff is leaking from right above the right exhaust under the rightside fairing. I don't know whether iit is the coolant or not. The drops of liquid fall on the exhaust and evaporate causing smoke and stuff. Any ideas or suggestions as to what the problem is ? Any mechanics that i should be visiting in particular... A fellow biker in distress, Vimarsh