From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 1 12:54:07 2004 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:54:45 -0400 To: "DC-CYCLES" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Ride yesterday. For anyone who looked outside in the morning, saw all the clouds, and believed the forecast for scattered thunderstorms all day long and decided to do something other than riding, you missed a really great day! The American Legion Poker Run, to raise money for their Operation Provide Comfort (benefiting wounded servicemen returning from Iraq and Afghanistan), started at 9:30am, when it still looked pretty iffy out. I'm assuming that's a big part of the reason only about 20-30 bikes showed up. Everyone who didn't passed up a really nice ride. The route started out kinda boring...from the Krispy Kreme on Shady Grove near Rt28, up Shady Grove to 124, then up to Damascus, where there was a jog over to 27 on 108. Up 27 (lots of grooved pavement at the moment) to 80, where it started getting nicer, both the scenery and the weather. The route continued over to Rt 355 up to Frederick H-D for the first stop for another card. Only downside of the whole day happened there...had "Jiffy-Stand failure", or maybe a passing Spacial Anomaly that escaped from Star Trek's universe, but my bike decided to fall over without anyone near it. We'd parked, and walked about half way across the lot, when I heard the crash, turned around and my bike was lying on its side. This is *not* a fun sight. Went over to it, picked it up (a bystander hurried over to help, but I don't think he got much chance...I had it halfway up before he got a grip, and it actually came up pretty easily. Don't know if it was the technique or the adrenaline. The engine guards and bag bars did their job though...other than a slight scuff mark on the bag bar and a couple of ounces of oil that leaked out of someplace I haven't determined for sure yet (clutch cover area), there was no damage at all. Still not sure why it decided to fall...the ground was nearly flat and level, and paved, and there was only a light breeze. A guy had walked past it going to his truck, but I don't think he got within 5 feet of it. All I can think is that I may not have had the stand all the way locked or something. I was very careful to test stability with a shake every time before I left it after that though. After Frederick the next stop was Hagerstown. One of the ride organizers was there and offered to lead anyone who wanted a guide, so about a dozen bikes formed up as a group. The route led up through the downtown part of old Frederick, then up to Rt 550 to Thurmont. Through Thurmont to Rt 70 over the Catoctin Mountains (very nice ride, with some twisty bits and some straight bits, and the weather was gorgeous by then...lots of sun and some puffy white clouds). Not sure of the name of the bar where the cards were drawn, but some folks opted for lunch overlooking a creek, others had beers, and some of us stuck to soda and snacks. Third stop was in Poolsville, with the route being a pretty much straight shot on Rt 40 back to Frederick, then south on 85, 109 and 107. The Rt 40 part was pretty boring, other than the nice country scenery, but it got better as we got closer to Poolesville. Last stop and end of the ride was at D.C. Cruisers off Rt 124 in Gaithersburg near the airport, but the route getting there was north out of Poolesville, up through some really twisty and narrow back roads. I don't recall the names at the moment, but if anyone cares, I can dig out the route sheet. D.C. Cruisers was providing music and free food and drinks (burgers and dogs, water, soda and a few beers) and there was a prize for the worst hand (a deck of cards, for practice ;-) and best hand (three nines with a king high won a choice of any three available prizes), and then some door prizes donated by the sponsors (Krispy Kreme and D.C Cruisers). I won a really nice long sleeved D.C Cruisers T-Shirt. Another rider who didn't stick around gave me his ticket, so when I won on my own, I gave that one to my riding companion (another MC-HOG member I'd run into at the start of the event) and she won with it...then won on her own ticket. One prize was a dozen donuts at Krispy Kreme, so her office really wins that one, and the other one she gave to one of the kids who was anxiously hoping for a winning ticket...so she mostly won karma points. ;-) There was enough sun for most folks to get a bit red here and there, and other than a few really strong wind gusts in a couple of really open areas, the weather was gorgeous. Too bad there weren't more riders along to experience it and to help out our wounded troops recovering and rehabilitating in area hospitals. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 1 13:43:14 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Ride yesterday. Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:42:57 -0400 > The route started out kinda boring...from the Krispy Kreme How can ANY ride that starts at a Krispy Kreme be boring? > Only downside of the whole day happened there...had > "Jiffy-Stand failure" Interesting - I thought that the Harley side stands locked into the down position when weight was placed on them. Glad to hear that the damage was minimal. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 1 13:51:52 2004 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:52:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Ride yesterday. At 01:42 PM 8/1/2004, you wrote: > > The route started out kinda boring...from the Krispy > Kreme > >How can ANY ride that starts at a Krispy Kreme be boring? > > > > Only downside of the whole day happened there...had > > "Jiffy-Stand failure" > >Interesting - I thought that the Harley side stands locked >into the down >position when weight was placed on them. Glad to hear that >the damage was >minimal. ...they do. However, it sounds like it wasn't fully extended in it's locked positon. Seem it happen, it ain't hard to do. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 1 14:16:15 2004 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:16:49 -0400 To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Ride yesterday. At 01:52 PM 8/1/04 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: >At 01:42 PM 8/1/2004, you wrote: >>Interesting - I thought that the Harley side stands locked >>into the down position when weight was placed on them. > >...they do. However, it sounds like it wasn't fully >extended in it's locked positon. >Seem it happen, it ain't hard to do. Yeah, that's one of my top choices for how it happened...right after the ST spacial anomaly.... ;-) At least the money I spent on the engine and bag bars has paid off now. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 1 15:49:12 2004 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: craigslist MCs Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:48:54 -0400 I also posted my CBR900RR on Craig's List. I got 2 bites in the first day (and the only 2 bites from CL). But, the bike ended up going to someone who saw my ad in the Washington Post. Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 11:11 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: craigslist MCs > > For those looking for bikes to buy or sell, craigslist has > proven to be a good site. I posted my brother-in-law's F4i > Friday and it looks like he already has a buyer. > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/ > > No reg required, just ad free posts. The site is a lot more > than just want ads. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > > "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." > - Jimmy Buffett > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 1 16:07:36 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: craigslist MCs Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:07:55 -0400 Ditto. I got a bunch of calls when I listed a bike on Craigslist. We also had great success listing our rental unit on there. Craigslist is not immune from scammers, so the usual caveat emptor applies. I don't think I'll pay for expensive WashPost ads again. FWIW, Washington City Paper offers a free one-week listing. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesleyan Hsu" > I also posted my CBR900RR on Craig's List. I got 2 bites in the first day > (and the only 2 bites from CL). But, the bike ended up going to someone who > saw my ad in the Washington Post. > > Wes Hsu > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > > > For those looking for bikes to buy or sell, craigslist has > > proven to be a good site. I posted my brother-in-law's F4i > > Friday and it looks like he already has a buyer. > > > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/ > > > > No reg required, just ad free posts. The site is a lot more > > than just want ads. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 1 16:08:21 2004 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:08:14 -0400 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: craigslist MCs I just posted my Jeep on CL, we'll see what responses I get. (One request for pics so far, elapsed time about an hour.) Robert On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:48:54 -0400, Wesleyan Hsu wrote: > I also posted my CBR900RR on Craig's List. I got 2 bites in the first day > (and the only 2 bites from CL). But, the bike ended up going to someone who > saw my ad in the Washington Post. > > Wes Hsu > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 09:24:26 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:24:18 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/07_04/07_21_04/fr_new_fines.html Be carefule out there -- this article reports that BRP rangers are now fining people (motorcyclists in particular) up to $500 on the spot, with the possibility of $$$$$$$ more in federal court. Once again, the actions of the few may cause punishment of the many. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 09:41:21 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:41:17 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds At 09:24 AM 8/2/2004, Aaron Maurer wrote: >Be carefule out there -- this article reports that BRP rangers are now >fining people (motorcyclists in particular) up to $500 on the spot, >with the possibility of $$$$$$$ more in federal court. Once again, >the actions of the few may cause punishment of the many. "Extremely risky driving could earn a $1,000 fine, as rangers can levy $500 for speeding and another $500 for the separate offense of reckless driving. In cases where $1,000 still doesn't seem like enough, rangers can continue to require the speeder to come to court, Francis said. Francis has taken a speeder to court and the judge handed down a $1,500 fine." $1500 for straight speeding and no accident? Ridiculous. I understand their motivation, but Holy Cow. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 09:42:52 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:42:45 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds To: DC Cycles AM reported: >http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/07_04/07_21_04/fr_new _fines.html > >Be carefule out there [Dave] Isn't this special... The federal judges were consistently )B“handing down $500 tickets for aggravated speeding,)B” said John Garrison, chief ranger for the Parkway. ***So this month, U.S. Chief District Court Judge Graham Mullen changed the law,*** allowing rangers to write speeders up a $500 ticket per offense on the spot. I may be a little rusty on my civics, but I don't remember that judges were permitted to change law... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 11:25:48 2004 Subject: Snippets and ramblings Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:25:32 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Biker 1 - part of North American Motorcycle Club goes to Canada at 1000 Islands Border - their group is detained at border for two hours - two members one with reckless driving and one with a DUI have to pay a fine to enter the country - the group is strongly discouraged from continuing trip - this biker is a lawyer and on the trip back, the US Border guards stopped him for a chat and asked him if he was the lawyer attached to the group - Allegedly a Canadian Federal officer said he must not be a good lawyer to be hanging out with this bunch Biker 2 - same deal - reckless driving - traveling solo - had to pay fine to cross border - apparently these things stay in the system for 10 years Biker 3 (an un-named hypothetical dude that might be on the list) - expired tags on car - in a moment of dumb-assedness while returning bike to garage at 12:30 Am after dinner\movie with ex pulls out of parking lot with expensive sunglasses (returned from ex) On head - at i-section of glebe\Fairfax - of course the car behind said dumb ass is a county car - WHOOP ...WHOOP ..WHOOP - pulled over, questioned about time of evening\expired tags\what I was doing - LEO looked in small car and started chuckling at sight of two motorcycle\helmets, boogie board\work out gear, clothes for one week and books taking up entire space - LEO nicely let said dumb ass go with nothing other than a verbal warning to get that taken care of I really, truly believe that the long term consequences and costs of exceeding posted speed limits far outweigh the severity of the offense. To think that you could be denied vehicular access to another country because of a reckless driving charge..is for me utterly offensive. The costs involved and having an insurance company at best jack up the rates for years or at worst drop you is also offensive. I _completely disagree with the way that we have come to treat speeding. On my various jaunts this weekend I spotted no less than three unmarked cars in the district clicking away with photo radar devices. As far as insurance companies go, I have this fantasy that all motorcycle riders band together and agree to only go with the most reasonable and fair insurance rates and policies. Money talks and all the other insurance companies would change their tune. I have been informed that certain big name companies in DC don't even touch liter bikes. My response..screw you you will never get a dime of my money. Am tired of scattered thundershowers. How about two sunny days in a row? On a weekend nonetheless? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 11:36:27 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:37:09 -0400 To: Aaron Maurer , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds At 09:24 AM 8/2/04 -0400, Aaron Maurer wrote: >http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/07_04/07_21_04/fr_new_fines.html > >Be carefule out there -- this article reports that BRP rangers are now >fining people (motorcyclists in particular) up to $500 on the spot, >with the possibility of $$$$$$$ more in federal court. Once again, >the actions of the few may cause punishment of the many. Also the "thou shalt not" typical authority reaction, rather than some sort of compromise that might benefit everyone. For instance, how about picking a week when there's little tourist traffic there (i.e. *not* the fall! ;-) and holding a road race to let those who want to try the road at high speed get it out of their system legally? More safely too, as there would be emergency folks standing by in case of accidents. If these folks figure $150, or even $500 is just the "price of the experience", why not let them pay it, and run the course while it's closed to other traffic, so that only those choosing to take part are at risk, and everyone else can use the other 51 weeks of the year for sightseeing? Selling TV rights would cover the costs, and perhaps even provide some income to the park itself. Seems to work in Monaco, the Isle of Mann, and other places... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 11:39:31 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:40:21 -0400 To: Troutman , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds At 09:41 AM 8/2/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >$1500 for straight speeding and no accident? Ridiculous. I understand >their motivation, but Holy Cow. The purported purpose of a fine is to inhibit the behavior. The fine needs to be high enough to "get their attention", and provide a disincentive to committing the infraction. Apparently $150 wasn't doing it in the extreme cases. Personally, I think the fine should be coupled to the ability to pay, so that poor folks aren't slammed, while rich folks cover it with pocket money. Maybe make fines a percentage of income or net worth, rather than a fixed dollar amount. It would be "more fair", at least in the socialist viewpoint that's so common these days. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 11:42:19 2004 From: To: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:42:09 -0400 > I may be a little rusty on my civics, but I don't remember > that judges were permitted to change law... They aren't (directly). In the same vein, journalists aren't required to be completely factual. They publish a lot of opinion as fact. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 11:47:47 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:47:26 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Snippets and ramblings At 11:25 AM 8/2/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >Am tired of scattered thundershowers. How about two sunny days in a >row? On a weekend nonetheless? Well, up here in Maryland, with the exception of late yesterday afternoon, and late Saturday night, it was pretty nice. Saturday was gorgeous for riding once the overcast broke up (about 11am I think it was). Quit paying attention to the forecasts. Just look at the sky, and the 600 mile dopler display at www.weather.com, and go for a ride when it looks good. The weather folks are batting about 10 this year for forecasting accuracy. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 12:13:33 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:13:27 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds At 11:40 AM 8/2/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >Personally, I think the fine should be coupled to the ability to pay, so >that poor folks aren't slammed, while rich folks cover it with pocket >money. Maybe make fines a percentage of income or net worth, rather than a >fixed dollar amount. It would be "more fair", at least in the socialist >viewpoint that's so common these days. How about $103,000 for speeding? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1759791.stm Not fair in any sense of the word. I know the state is frustrated by speeders, but to fine them over $1k when their behavior didn't result in an accident is highway robbery. If you want to affect change, threaten the loss of license for a year. I don't think the Feds have that power over the States though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 12:34:26 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:34:23 -0400 From: Robert To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds Must be a cold day in Hades, but I agree with Mike's comment. A $1,000 ticket (or even $500 for that matter) represents the sum total monthly take-home pay for many US citizens. Yet I have friends that drop that much on a new TV for the kids room, or a Xbox and a selection of games, and don't bat an eye. $500 tickets are pocket change to some, arguable whether or not they are any deterrant if there's no threat of license revocation. On the other hand, the folks on the lower end of the economic spectrum probably do pay a lot of attention to this sort of fine, which could explain the preponderance of older cars religiously obeying the posted speed limit despite the prevailing speed of traffic. Robert On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:13:27 -0400, Troutman wrote: > At 11:40 AM 8/2/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >Personally, I think the fine should be coupled to the ability to pay, so > >that poor folks aren't slammed, while rich folks cover it with pocket > >money. Maybe make fines a percentage of income or net worth, rather than a > >fixed dollar amount. It would be "more fair", at least in the socialist > >viewpoint that's so common these days. > > How about $103,000 for speeding? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1759791.stm > > Not fair in any sense of the word. > > I know the state is frustrated by speeders, but to fine them over $1k when > their behavior didn't result in an accident is highway robbery. If you > want to affect change, threaten the loss of license for a year. I don't > think the Feds have that power over the States though. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 12:52:16 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Personally, I think the fine should be coupled to the ability to pay, so > that poor folks aren't slammed, while rich folks cover it with pocket > money. Maybe make fines a percentage of income or net worth, rather than a > fixed dollar amount. It would be "more fair", at least in the socialist > viewpoint that's so common these days. Why should someone pay more because they have more money? What determines 'ability to pay'? Net worth? W2? That would be a joke. The more money you have, the better your ability to hide it. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 12:53:23 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:53:19 -0400 To: Robert From: Troutman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds Cc: DC Cycles At 12:34 PM 8/2/2004, Robert wrote: >Must be a cold day in Hades, but I agree with Mike's (B) comment. When a Mike responds to another Mike, you have to tell me which one you generally disagree with; or I am forced to read your entire post. :-) I stole my wife's Thunderbird today since she stayed home sick. Otherwise it is rare that I get to drive it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 13:05:21 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:04:21 -0400 To: Troutman , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds At 12:13 PM 8/2/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 11:40 AM 8/2/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >>Personally, I think the fine should be coupled to the ability to pay, so >>that poor folks aren't slammed, while rich folks cover it with pocket >>money. Maybe make fines a percentage of income or net worth, rather than a >>fixed dollar amount. It would be "more fair", at least in the socialist >>viewpoint that's so common these days. > >How about $103,000 for speeding? 14 days pay? For the sort of offense he committed (47 in a 31 zone)? Yeah, that's a bit steep. A day's pay maybe, but 14 would seem more appropriate for reckless driving or multiple simultaneous offenses (speeding through a red light or whatever). >I know the state is frustrated by speeders, but to fine them over $1k when >their behavior didn't result in an accident is highway robbery. I don't agree...the sort of speeding they are talking about (like triple the posted limit, or more) is very likely to kill someone, and that sort of thing should be seriously discouraged. That's why it's not legal to start with. Like Barretta used to say, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime." Now if they were hitting people like that for 40 in a 35, I'd say it was way out of line. An inadvertent offense with minimal increase in danger to the public is very different from a deliberate and severe offense with high danger levels, and should be treated differently in court. >If you >want to affect change, threaten the loss of license for a year. I don't >think the Feds have that power over the States though. Not directly...they certainly do through the "power of the purse". I.e. "If you want us to give you back some of the money we took from your citizens, do what we are asking." Maybe they could get the state to "cooperate" in prosecutions of serious offenses? Virginia can take your license for a year on a first offense for reckless driving...at least the last time I checked they could. Second offense was mandatory. Not sure what the deal is in Maryland, West (by God) Virginia, or elsewhere. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 13:15:12 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:15:06 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds At 01:05 PM 8/2/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Personally, I think the fine should be coupled to the ability to pay, so >> that poor folks aren't slammed, while rich folks cover it with pocket >> money. Maybe make fines a percentage of income or net worth, rather than a >> fixed dollar amount. It would be "more fair", at least in the socialist >> viewpoint that's so common these days. > >Why should someone pay more because they have more money? Because you have to hit them harder to get their attention? The purpose of a fine is (supposedly) to convince the person not to break the law in the first place. If a fine isn't large enough to have that effect, it needs to be adjusted, or some other penalty substituted (like jail time, community service, execution or whatever). >What determines 'ability to pay'? Net worth? W2? That would be a joke. >The more money you have, the better your ability to hide it. :-) That's a question that would have to be answered. Net worth is one way, taxable income is another, net income is yet another, and there are more options. Net spending the prior year? Value of the vehicle used in the offense? Some combination of all of these plus other factors? From the article about the Nokia guy it looks like Finland has settled on "days of income" as their factor for setting fines, and they seem to be pretty serious about it too. 14 days income for a fairly minor speeding offense is pretty steep, regardless of what your income level is. Unless this veers more sharply back toward motos in particular, I'm dropping out on-list. If you want to talk about it more I'll do so off-list. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 13:26:38 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:26:30 -0400 From: Robert To: Troutman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds Cc: DC Cycles Sorry, Troutman; I actually wrote "Bartman" and then thought I'd strive for the informal note. D'oh! In response to Wayne (Edelen), I don't think anyone is arguing about "should," rather that the effectiveness of a fine as a traffic law obedience tool is compromised when it does not provide the same level of adverse impact to all ticketed parties. If a jurisdiction truly wanted to enforce the traffic laws, one way to put some teeth in the fines is to make them a percentage of one's income, as is done in Sweden. Defining income is something the IRS does fairly well, and tax loopholes can work both ways, as the gent in the news article found out to his dismay. I cannot believe the owner(s) of the two Fly Yellow Ferraris parked at Reston Town Center a couple of weekends ago really give much thought to paying a $500/1,000 speeding ticket. Just as the argument goes that traffic cameras only be used in areas with actual pedestrian traffic, if that's the reason cited for camera purchase; then one could also argue that traffic ticket fines be set as a percentage of income if the fine is to have any value as a deterrant. Conversely to the whole ticket issue, I think there's a real market for a speeder's pass; pay the $500 a year and get a waiver of speeds up to 20MPH over posted (details TBD...). That would address the issue of revenue generation, and could provide real incentive to attend driving schools, if such was a pre-requisite. Never happen, of course, as opponents would point out that this sort of agreement boils down to allowing rich people to speed. :-/ On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:53:19 -0400, Troutman wrote: > At 12:34 PM 8/2/2004, Robert wrote: > >Must be a cold day in Hades, but I agree with Mike's (B) comment. > > When a Mike responds to another Mike, you have to tell me which one you > generally disagree with; or I am forced to read your entire post. :-) > > I stole my wife's Thunderbird today since she stayed home sick. Otherwise > it is rare that I get to drive it. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 13:49:00 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:48:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: flip-face helmet update: Vega Summit XPV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I received my new Vega Summit XPV flip-face helmet from helmetshop.com this weekend. $129.99 + $8 shipping. It's a really great looking "candy orange" color -- metallic orange rust, with black trim. Just a small logo on the rear, and the top vent is shaped in the Vega stylized "V" shape. Good ventilation, washable liner, very easy visor change. It has a single release, centered on the chin bar, and inside same -- push in and up to release. It has a standard chin strap, with square instead of D-shaped rings. The flip-face clicks into the up position, and the visor has six very positive click stops, with a left hand tab only. Fit is very much like the Nolan N-100, Arrow/Jarow flip-face, and Arai Quantum/F. It's much quieter than the Nolan, a little quieter than the Arrow, about the same as the Arai. It really mutes the sound of the newly opened up stock cans on my 919. Negatives: a couple of sharp plastic edges beneath the padding (I now have a paper-like cut on one hand), and one tiny finish flaw (bubble, ~1/32"). Not bad for the price. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 14:20:59 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:19:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Robert , Troutman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds Cc: DC Cycles -----Original Message----- From: Robert In response to Wayne (Edelen), I don't think anyone is arguing about "should," rather that the effectiveness of a fine as a traffic law obedience tool is compromised when it does not provide the same level of adverse impact to all ticketed parties. .... ---- For these reckless driving offenses on federal property, perhaps a driving ban on federal property could be imposed on the individual? It is *all* about enhancing safety, right?** It's interesting that these cases in NC are being heard in federal court. I thought around here traffic offenses on the parkways were considered violations of state (or DC) law and therefore eligible for points and eventually license suspension if you accumulate enough performance awards. Does the US Congress write speeding statutes? Gimer? Bueller? Anyone? **Scene observed on the GW Pkwy last week. USPP officer was "working" the southbound lanes (hiding behind a bush at the parkway maintenance facility, with radar gun), yet not a 1/4 mile away in the northbound lanes a crash had both lanes blocked, with a huge back-up that stretched all the way to Old Town. No law enforcement on the scene. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 15:39:09 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:38:59 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds To: DC Cycles Paul comments... >For these reckless driving offenses on federal property, perhaps a driving ban on federal property could be imposed on the individual? It is *all* about enhancing safety, right? ** > >It's interesting that these cases in NC are being heard in federal court. I thought around here traffic offenses on the parkways were considered violations of state (or DC) law and therefore eligible for points and eventually license suspension if you accumulate enough performance awards. Does the US Congress write speeding statutes? Gimer? Bueller? Anyone? [Dave] I'm not Gimer and I don't play one on this list. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night... But, I do know that the USPP are empowered to charge people with violations of state as well as federal law. When Narkey Terry was arrested (he of GW Pkway road rage murder infamy), he was also tried and convicted on a violation of VA 18.2- 308, carrying a concealed weapon; a state charge in federal court. > >**Scene observed on the GW Pkwy last week. USPP officer was "working" the southbound lanes (hiding behind a bush at the parkway maintenance facility, with radar gun), yet not a 1/4 mile away in the northbound lanes a crash had both lanes blocked, with a huge back-up that stretched all the way to Old Town. No law enforcement on the scene. [Dave] But Paul?! Don't you know that the US Park Police are under budgeted? I think they implemented a new slogan last month -- a twist on 'we can't be everywhere'... it's: USPP: We can't be anywhere. I can't imagine how long it took just to get accident handlers to the scene, the Connection newspaper had a story of some woman getting attacked on the GW Pkwy. bike trail and escaping. A passer by dialed up 911 to report. Apparently everyone (of the local PD's and USPP) was playing hot potato with the incident. Some 30 minutes later, a Fairfax cop rolled up... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 16:12:56 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:11:44 -0400 From: Skip To: Dave Yates CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] I think they implemented a new slogan > last month -- a twist on 'we can't be everywhere'... it's: > USPP: We can't be anywhere. I thought it was "Everywhere you don't want us to be" --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 16:14:24 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:14:37 -0400 To: Robert , Troutman From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway speeds Cc: DC Cycles At 01:26 PM 8/2/04 -0400, Robert wrote: >Sorry, Troutman; I actually wrote "Bartman" and then thought I'd >strive for the informal note. D'oh! I read it as me, because of the freezing comment... :-) >Conversely to the whole ticket issue, I think there's a real market >for a speeder's pass; pay the $500 a year and get a waiver of speeds >up to 20MPH over posted (details TBD...). The $500 would be nothing compared to what the insurance companies would put on anyone adopting that plan... I'd thought a while back about a related idea though...racing stripes. My understanding was that these were used by racers to distinguish between rookies and experienced drivers, so those on the track would know who to give extra room to. A similar idea for road use might be workable. If you go get extra training in handling your vehicle at high speeds, and in being able to tell when such was likely to be safe (the sort of thing they give cops at a minimum), you would be allowed a higher speed limit than those who didn't. As a mark of your status, you would have something about your vehicle that would show this to anyone, such as a special license plate, or body markings (like racing stripes), or maybe a flashing light in a color other than that used emergency vehicles (flashing green maybe?), so that other road users would be aware that you were coming up faster than typical, but not to panic. Gaining such extra privileges would encourage people to get the extra training (and show that it took through testing), and better-trained drivers ont he road is always a good thing for everyone. Of course if you are involved in an accident while taking advantage of your special status, your judgement will be shown to be faulty about when such things are safe, and you lose the privileges, perhaps permanently. This should provide some incentive to use the extra abilities judiciously. The privileges would apply only to one class of vehicle...whatever you trained and tested in. They wouldn't apply to everything you are licensed to drive. For instance, getting certified in sportscars wouldn't carry over to bikes, and vice versa, or to semis. You could certainly get certified in all classes if you want to, but you'd have to take training in each, and pass tests in each, as there are big differences in handling, problem areas, etc.. Nobody has ever jacknifed a sport bike, or high sided a semi that I'm aware of. ;-) Just an idea to kick around. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 16:43:11 2004 From: To: Subject: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:43:01 -0400 > Gaining such extra privileges would encourage people to get the extra > training (and show that it took through testing), and better-trained > drivers ont he road is always a good thing for everyone. The problem isn't the well-trained driver pushing the limit a bit. It's the marginally competent dolt who can't cope with an evolving situation. THey can't even cope with the relatively simple "Keep right except to pass" concept. How do you expect them to be able to do the requisite TSD (Time, Speed Distance) calculations on the fly? The skill level of the average driver in the USofA is abysmal. The lovely thing about vacationing in Europe is that I am surrounded by drivers that know what they're doing and behave appropriately. Also, there's not that "You're not going to get ahead of ME, you son of a bitch" attitude that seems to prevail in the States. A faster driver is percieved as a faster driver and not as an attack on ones masculinity. Yes, there are exceptions on both sides of the pond, but as a whole, I'd rather be driving in Europe. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 17:17:33 2004 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:17:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Snippets and ramblings -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton ... Am tired of scattered thundershowers. How about two sunny days in a row? On a weekend nonetheless? ---------- Well, for the sake of variety, when hurricane/tropical storm/Nor'easter season starts, they won't be "scattered" any more; they'll settle in for a day or two at a stretch. ;-) [Looks like I'm getting wet on the way home in the JR Phoenix garb.] Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 20:00:00 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'mjordan812@XXXXXX '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:03:52 -0400 AMEN brother. Driving/riding in Europe and then coming back to the States is a *most* frustrating experience. Driving is so civilized in Europe, it makes US driving simply laughable. I swear, just the other day I said, "US drivers suck." And it is really true. Send me and my helmet back to Europe at ANYTIME. Mike -----Original Message----- From: mjordan812@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 8/2/2004 4:43 PM Subject: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding > Gaining such extra privileges would encourage people to get the extra > training (and show that it took through testing), and better-trained > drivers ont he road is always a good thing for everyone. The problem isn't the well-trained driver pushing the limit a bit. It's the marginally competent dolt who can't cope with an evolving situation. THey can't even cope with the relatively simple "Keep right except to pass" concept. How do you expect them to be able to do the requisite TSD (Time, Speed Distance) calculations on the fly? The skill level of the average driver in the USofA is abysmal. The lovely thing about vacationing in Europe is that I am surrounded by drivers that know what they're doing and behave appropriately. Also, there's not that "You're not going to get ahead of ME, you son of a bitch" attitude that seems to prevail in the States. A faster driver is percieved as a faster driver and not as an attack on ones masculinity. Yes, there are exceptions on both sides of the pond, but as a whole, I'd rather be driving in Europe. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 21:54:35 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:59:15 -0400 Subject: price drop: avon azaros (used) F=120/70x17; R=160/60x17 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Price drop: $20 each. garcia oliver writes: >FS: used Avon Azaro tires av39 [front 120/70xZR17 azaro sport II] and >av36 [rear 160/60xZR17 azaro II]. No punctures/patches, looks like more >than half the tread remains. Lowest internet price is over $100 each. >Mid-DC, near the Zoo. $25 each. > >--garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 21:58:03 2004 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:02:44 -0400 Subject: free: virago-750 rear wheel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" From mid-80s Virago. Includes brake parts and axle. Overheated once, but no apparent damage. Near Zoo. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 2 22:10:31 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:09:55 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799a725a2bab44b548d5ab7da0c6661835350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c LL commented: > AMEN brother. Driving/riding in Europe and then coming back to the States > is a *most* frustrating experience. Driving is so civilized in Europe, it > makes US driving simply laughable. [Dave] err... My albeit limited 8 days in Athens taught me that Greek pilots treat every mandatory stop like they're playing a game of "Pole Position". It was actually kind of comical as all the mopeds/scooters/motos slid to the front and as the light was about to turn, just like a drag race, you could hear the revs climb and - off to the races... I like to b!tch about our relatively low level of driving skill and courtesy - me included... But I don't remember the Greeks being any more civilized, respectful, or skillful at it. Just my few pieces of eight... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 07:14:50 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:14:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX No doubt, I was in France in January and people DO know how to drive! It really boggles my mind how bad people are here esp when yielding the right of way! Glenn --- mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > > The skill level of the average driver in the USofA > is abysmal. The lovely thing about vacationing in > Europe is that I am surrounded by drivers that know > what they're doing and behave appropriately. Also, > there's not that "You're not going to get ahead of > ME, you son of a bitch" attitude that seems to > prevail in the States. A faster driver is percieved > as a faster driver and not as an attack on ones > masculinity. > > Yes, there are exceptions on both sides of the pond, > but as a whole, I'd rather be driving in Europe. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 07:26:28 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 7:26:21 -0400 > [Dave] err... My albeit limited 8 days in Athens taught me that Greek > pilots treat every mandatory stop like they're playing a game of "Pole > Position". It was actually kind of comical as all the mopeds/scooters/motos > slid to the front and as the light was about to turn, just like a drag race, > you could hear the revs climb and - off to the races... I like to b!tch > about our relatively low level of driving skill and courtesy - me > included... But I don't remember the Greeks being any more civilized, > respectful, or skillful at it. It may well be - stay out of Naples or Rome, too. But try the northern Italians, Germans, Austrians, Swiss and French (non-parisian). Whole 'nother ballgame. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 08:19:18 2004 Subject: 1987 Honda VFR700F2 and 1998 Kawasaki ZX6E FOR SALE Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:19:06 -0400 From: "Ayers Nelson TSgt AFPCA/COMS" To: Cc: Coming out of lurker-dom to offer this fine sample of my wares: 1987 Honda VFR700F2 Pearl white with gold pin-stripes Seat cowl/cover with bump-pad in great shape, Factory seat with no marks/tears Extremely low miles! Just a hair over 8K, GT501 tires like new Very clean, Very good condition, garage-kept, adult-owned and maintained On the road, ready to ride, starts every time instantly, new battery Full matching white gas tank bra, Tank is beautiful with no imperfections at all Yosh single right-side exhaust (nice and loud!) Storz handlebars with risers Steel brake lines Have original pipes, clip-ons, owner's manual, tool set, and brake lines Selling due to military move out of state--can't take 3 bikes!! Keeping my 96VFR!! Never had any accidents or issues, Taught MSF courses on this bike, No track days on this bike! Beautiful bike, hate to see it go, real eye-turner and great running bike, but it's gotta go Asking $2800 The extremely minor imperfections: Small circular blemishes on windscreen from radar detector mount, does have slightly tinted shield The lower tiny piece of plastic trim immediately below the left side turn signal is MIA. (Doesn't affect indicator mount at all, and is mostly covered by the oval rubber grommet. So minor, never fixed it, there when purchased from original owner) Very small 1/2" ribbon of very light brown color above bumber/backrest pad on seat cowl, from brown leather bottom of my backpack sometimes rubbing against it (Haven't even tried to polish it out yet, but may do so if I make the time to get it done) ZX6E: 1998 Kawasaki Ninja ZX6E Dark forest green, beautiful color Full set GIVI hard bag system with 3 bags 1/2 tank bra BT020 tires On the road, daily commuter, fantastic fun and light bike Little over 11K miles, never on track days 2nd owner, bought from older Army guy who used it to commute to work Has $1700 worth of brand-new, factory, OEM replacement items due to low-speed low-side in gravel on curve in mountains Ask for extensive list of brand-new items, less than one month old! Damage was cosmetic only, Drove daily for a month afterwards Sale due to military move out of state. Asking $4300 Contact me off-list at nelson.ayers@XXXXXX Bikes located in Washington DC metro area. Can discuss delivery options since I have a trailer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 08:51:27 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > It may well be - stay out of Naples or Rome, too. > > But try the northern Italians, Germans, Austrians, Swiss and French > (non-parisian). Whole 'nother ballgame. Agreed. I drove 2500 miles in France this January, and 2800 miles the year before that in Germany, Austria, Lexembourg, and France -- what a pleasure! BTW, MJ, congrats on having your letter published in RoadRunner mag... -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 09:03:57 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:07:54 -0400 Add English and Irish to that list too. Mike -----Original Message----- From: mjordan812@XXXXXX [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding > [Dave] err... My albeit limited 8 days in Athens taught me that Greek > pilots treat every mandatory stop like they're playing a game of "Pole > Position". It was actually kind of comical as all the > mopeds/scooters/motos slid to the front and as the light was about to > turn, just like a drag race, you could hear the revs climb and - off > to the races... I like to b!tch about our relatively low level of > driving skill and courtesy - me included... But I don't remember the > Greeks being any more civilized, respectful, or skillful at it. It may well be - stay out of Naples or Rome, too. But try the northern Italians, Germans, Austrians, Swiss and French (non-parisian). Whole 'nother ballgame. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 09:18:50 2004 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:18:27 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Lister Lynch CC: mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Lister Lynch wrote: > Add English and Irish to that list too. Having just driven over 500 miles in England while on Vacation, I have to say ... I really hate driving here now. The M1, for example ... 70mph speed limit, most people are driving 70-80mph. No one does anything even close to the stupid antics you find on the Beltway. Drivers are courteous, moving over to allow faster vehicles to go by, etc. Oh .. and people aren't offended by motorcycles. They even move over if they see one splitting lanes because traffic is backed up. Even in London and other cities ... it all just flows. I thought traffic circles were going to be a nightmare - they're not. They work. The only thing you really have to get used to (besides driving on the left) is that the streets are NARROW. But even with that people give way and you're able to go around parked/stopped vehicles, etc with very little problem. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 09:35:13 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:35:08 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX BR: >Having just driven over 500 miles in England while on >Vacation, I have to say ... I really hate driving here now. [Dave] No doubt the pavement might be a little blacker on the other side of the pond. Maybe the Euros don't take driving for granted as much, or treat it as a 'rite of passage', but they also don't have some of our unique woes. Let's not also forget the proliferation of Gatsos over there. Whenever we see something 'new' or different, or unusual, we tend to think of them 'in the favorable light'. I'm sure it was nice, and there were some really cool things there, but I'd much rather be here - traffic woes and all. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 09:51:03 2004 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:50:54 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding > Let's not also forget the proliferation of Gatsos over > there. Whenever we see something 'new' or different, or > unusual, we tend to think of them 'in the favorable light'. > I'm sure it was nice, and there were some really cool things > there, but I'd much rather be here - traffic woes and all. This is one of those weird areas. Enforcement techniques aren't the problem (i.e. speed cameras) IMO, unreasonable speed limits are. Unlike our "It's 25mph here so we can charge you the speeding tax" routine, I found speed limits in the UK reasonable, and maintaining the speed limit on some of the roads actually nerve racking (50mph on a 15ft wide, winding road with blind corners) ... so seeing the sign that said a speed camera (Gatso) was in the area really wasn't a problem. You do have to pay attention when in small towns ... but again, not a problem, and the limits were reasonable given the conditions. Saying that speed cameras should be illegal is like saying security cameras in retail stores should be illegal. It doesn't make sense in my opinion - both serve the same purpose. I believe our speed limits are stupid, and are set for financial gain, not safety ... but the real solution is to get the limits changed, not complain about the enforcement of a law. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 10:43:58 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:43:49 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Saying that speed cameras should be illegal is like saying >security cameras in retail stores should be illegal. It >doesn't make sense in my opinion - both serve the same >purpose. I believe our speed limits are stupid, and are set >for financial gain, not safety ... but the real >solution is to get the limits changed, not complain about >the enforcement of a law. [Dave] The beauty of this list is that we can all have our own opinions, and we will be flamed by the same posters for them :-) The cameras used to fine speeders are not the same, or analogous to cameras used as evidence against a thief. A speeder is not necessarily causing harm, mayhem or inciting lawlessness by driving above the posted speed limit which may be right or wrong, and which given the totality of the circumstance may be prudent to the conditions; such as, in a pack of traffic. A thief is taking material property belogning to another without paying for it. While I would agree that speed limits are generally set with monetary goals in mind here, that in and of itself does not create an act of evil intent. Posting speed cameras there, however, knowing the area will generate revenue is evil. Otherwise making the area a speed trap is as well. Ideally, it may be more or most correct to "get the limits changed" but in practicality, that is not going to happen since many governments depend on this revenue cow to sustain themselves, and their cushy lifestyles. So we're not left with much else, but to resist 'vigorous enforcement' efforts. Anybody see USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2004-08-03- cities.htm no real mention of motos... too bad. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 10:45:30 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:45:19 EDT Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Funny that this should all be brought up now. On another list I'm on, I'm plotting a 2-3 week Scotland/Ireland/England/Whateverland/NeverNeverLand trip next year and was talking about renting a bike while there. Sounds like I won't have any problems getting around. I asked the other list members from across the pond when would be a good time of year to go and got back June, July and September. Input Mr. Roach? ;-) How long were you guys there? Scooter In a message dated 8/3/2004 9:18:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: Lister Lynch wrote: > Add English and Irish to that list too. Having just driven over 500 miles in England while on Vacation, I have to say ... I really hate driving here now. The M1, for example ... 70mph speed limit, most people are driving 70-80mph. No one does anything even close to the stupid antics you find on the Beltway. Drivers are courteous, moving over to allow faster vehicles to go by, etc. Oh .. and people aren't offended by motorcycles. They even move over if they see one splitting lanes because traffic is backed up. Even in London and other cities ... it all just flows. I thought traffic circles were going to be a nightmare - they're not. They work. The only thing you really have to get used to (besides driving on the left) is that the streets are NARROW. But even with that people give way and you're able to go around parked/stopped vehicles, etc with very little problem. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 10:50:41 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Used Motorcycles and Titles... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What is the best way to protect myself when purchasing a motorcycle that still has the title held by the financing company? In other there is a lean on the bike's title. Thanks, Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 10:58:58 2004 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:58:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding > >Saying that speed cameras should be illegal is like saying > >security cameras in retail stores should be illegal. It > >doesn't make sense in my opinion - both serve the same > >purpose. I believe our speed limits are stupid, and are set > >for financial gain, not safety ... but the real > >solution is to get the limits changed, not complain about > >the enforcement of a law. Theft is a moral crime, as is murder and countless others. Speeding is not. When I get a ticket, I go to court and fight it, then pay the fine if I am convicted. I don't whine about it, unless it was unfair (like the one I got in the Summersville, WV speedtrap a few years ago). If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 10:59:02 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Used Motorcycles and Titles... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX By using an escrow company. Glenn --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > > What is the best way to protect myself when > purchasing > a motorcycle that still has the title held by the > financing company? In other there is a lean on the > bike's title. > > Thanks, > > Ryan > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 10:59:27 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:59:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: Used Motorcycles and Titles (correction).. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In other there is a lean on the > bike's title. Oppps, i meant to say: "In other words, there is a lean on the bike's title" That'd make more sense. Thanks Ryan --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > > What is the best way to protect myself when > purchasing > a motorcycle that still has the title held by the > financing company? In other there is a lean on the > bike's title. > > Thanks, > > Ryan > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 11:55:10 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:54:56 -0400 Subject: Front/rear stand Does anyone have a "universal" front and/or rear stand (I need both) thjat I could borrow to work on my Seca II? I may want to borrow it for 1-2 weeks depending on how my fixes go. Also, does anyone know of a "combo" front/rear stand? I noticed yesterday that one fork tube seal is shot and fork oil is running out... not a good situation. Also, I need to replace the sprockets and drive chain. Thanks, -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "Are these tubes s'posed to OOOOZE?" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 12:01:46 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:01:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding -----Original Message----- From: Troutman > >Saying that speed cameras should be illegal is like saying > >security cameras in retail stores should be illegal. It > >doesn't make sense in my opinion - both serve the same > >purpose. I believe our speed limits are stupid, and are set > >for financial gain, not safety ... but the real > >solution is to get the limits changed, not complain about > >the enforcement of a law. Theft is a moral crime, as is murder and countless others. Speeding is not. When I get a ticket, I go to court and fight it, then pay the fine if I am convicted. I don't whine about it, unless it was unfair (like the one I got in the Summersville, WV speedtrap a few years ago). If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. --------- It would seem, that for the foreseeable future, upward movement of speed limits is not going to happen. Montana found that its "reasonable and prudent" daytime speed limit was unenforceable and didn't pass judicial muster. Faced with the choice of no speed limit or a fixed numerical limit, Montana chose the latter. The safety mavens did too good a job of imprinting the idea that "speed kills." Congress did its part by repealing the national standard, leaving states free to increase their limits. Many, like VA, have chosen not to after the demise of the 65-mph standard. (Many did after the repeal of the 55-mph standard. I still remember the happy day when the 55-mph signs came down on the freeways in Ohio.) It does seem a little ridiculous that, legally speaking, one can only drive/ride at a maximum of 75 mph, coast to coast. Besides, "due process" has a long and honorable history in the USA. If "they" are going to write these tickets, "they" have the responsibility to prove their case. Citizens have a right to review by a supposed impartial third party. It's all part of the game of keeping the ticket writers (generally) honest. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 12:06:18 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:09:41 -0400 Department store photos = evidence in a trial, with presumption of innocence. Speed (or red-light) photos = fine without a trial (implied presumption of guilt). --jon ----- "Brian Roach" wrote: > Saying that speed cameras should be illegal is like saying security > cameras in retail stores should be illegal. It doesn't make sense in my > opinion - both serve the same purpose. 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I assume they'd work for you and you're more than welcome to them... but I'm in Frederick (and another list member has my front stand) :-) I can fix the latter, you'd have to arrange pickup/drop off. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 12:58:11 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Used Motorcycles and Titles... To: Ryan Santoso , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > > What is the best way to protect myself when purchasing > a motorcycle that still has the title held by the > financing company? In other there is a lean on the > bike's title. short version: 1. execute a written agreement outlining each party's obligations, representations, warranties and indemnities 2. obtain the exact creditor payoff 3. pay the creditor with a portion of the purchase money and request a certificate of satisfaction/release 4. pay the seller the difference __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 12:58:55 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Used Motorcycles and Titles (correction).. To: Ryan Santoso , dc-cycles@XXXXXX a "lien" would make even more sense ;) --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > In other there is a lean on the > > bike's title. > > > Oppps, i meant to say: > > "In other words, there is a lean on the bike's title" > > That'd make more sense. > > Thanks > > Ryan > > --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > > > > > > What is the best way to protect myself when > > purchasing > > a motorcycle that still has the title held by the > > financing company? In other there is a lean on the > > bike's title. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:00:27 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX did law school start already? ;) --- Jon Strang wrote: > Department store photos = evidence in a trial, with > presumption of > innocence. > Speed (or red-light) photos = fine without a trial > (implied presumption of > guilt). > > --jon > > ----- "Brian Roach" wrote: > > > Saying that speed cameras should be illegal is like > saying security > > cameras in retail stores should be illegal. It doesn't > make sense in my > > opinion - both serve the same purpose. I believe our > speed limits are > > stupid, and are set for financial gain, not safety ... > but the real > > solution is to get the limits changed, not complain > about the > > enforcement of a law. > > > > - Roach > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:00:49 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:00:33 EDT Subject: Re: Used Motorcycles and Titles (correction).. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Naaahhhhh.........if the bike can lean, why not the title? ;-) Scooter (slightly askew %-) ) In a message dated 8/3/2004 12:59:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: a "lien" would make even more sense ;) --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > In other there is a lean on the > > bike's title. > > > Oppps, i meant to say: > > "In other words, there is a lean on the bike's title" > > That'd make more sense. > > Thanks > > Ryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:02:57 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Front/rear stand Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:02:49 -0400 $99 for both? Where'd you get them? How do you like them? >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: Re: Front/rear stand >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:09:53 -0400 (EDT) > >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Sean Steele wrote: > > > Does anyone have a "universal" front and/or rear stand (I need both) > > thjat I could borrow to work on my Seca II? I may want to borrow it for > > 1-2 weeks depending on how my fixes go. > > > > Also, does anyone know of a "combo" front/rear stand? > >I have the $99 Handy stand combo. I assume they'd work for you and you're >more than welcome to them... but I'm in Frederick (and another list member >has my front stand) :-) I can fix the latter, you'd have to arrange >pickup/drop off. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page )B FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:03:53 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:03:46 -0400 > I thought traffic circles were going to be a nightmare - > they're not. They work. Roundabouts are lovely, Mr. Roach. Pity that we colonials have to put stop signs at the entrance of the circle. Destroys the rationale behind the concept. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:08:49 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:08:40 -0400 > Let's not also forget the proliferation of Gatsos over > there. I'll take that in return for the almost total lack of gravel on the roads. It's never a concern (except in France *) that you're going to hit a patch of gravel. I don't know if they sweep it off the road or just manage to keep their cars on the pavement, the end result is the same. Michael J. * The French use micro gravel to patch secondary roads. They put up signs saying that the gravel is there, but it's still a road full of BBs. Especially fun on decending hairpin turns. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:10:45 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: rich hall Cc: Subject: Re: Front/rear stand On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, rich hall wrote: > $99 for both? Where'd you get them? How do you like them? Yes, $99 for both. I like 'em. http://www.handyindustries.com/standpackages.asp And the rear stand in use - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/071103/P0002840.jpg -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:12:07 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Euro Trip was - Demonstrated Proficiency Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:00:25 -0400 http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=4&TopicID=10039&PagePosition=1&showActive=1&ReturnPage=Active Jenn the biker was on this list for a little while. She's replaced the purple Honda Shadow w/ a blue SVS. I'm sure she'd be willing to give you advice. >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:45:19 EDT > >Funny that this should all be brought up now. On another list I'm on, I'm >plotting a 2-3 week Scotland/Ireland/England/Whateverland/NeverNeverLand >trip >next year and was talking about renting a bike while there. Sounds like I >won't have any problems getting around. I asked the other list members >from >across the pond when would be a good time of year to go and got back June, >July >and September. Input Mr. Roach? ;-) How long were you guys there? > >Scooter _________________________________________________________________ Don)Bt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:15:05 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:14:56 -0400 > I asked the other list members from > across the pond when would be a good time of year to go and got back June, July > and September. Early June can be iffy - I suffered this year at altitude. Long trip report on request. Later in June and all of July is usually pretty good. Europe goes on vacation in August - great weather, but high prices and low availability. The weather's still pretty good in September, and the crowds are back to work. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:21:42 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: Used Motorcycles and Titles (correction).. To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not if its a Harley...then, it wouldn't "lean"...:) Just kidding...don't wanna ruffle up the feathers of the H-D folks... Ryan --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Naaahhhhh.........if the bike can lean, why not the > title? ;-) > > Scooter (slightly askew %-) ) > > In a message dated 8/3/2004 12:59:12 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > a "lien" would make even more sense ;) > > > --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > > > > In other there is a lean on the > > > bike's title. > > > > > > Oppps, i meant to say: > > > > "In other words, there is a lean on the bike's > title" > > > > That'd make more sense. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ryan > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:23:05 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Front/rear stand Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:22:52 -0400 I do most of my work on the bike at my folks, they have a garage and more tools. But I do some stuff at my place. Is there a way to carry stand(s) on the bike? >From: Wayne Edelen >To: rich hall >CC: >Subject: Re: Front/rear stand >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) > >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, rich hall wrote: > > > $99 for both? Where'd you get them? How do you like them? > >Yes, $99 for both. I like 'em. > >http://www.handyindustries.com/standpackages.asp > >And the rear stand in use - >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/071103/P0002840.jpg > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:26:17 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:39:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Front/rear stand On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, rich hall wrote: > I do most of my work on the bike at my folks, they have a garage and more > tools. But I do some stuff at my place. Is there a way to carry stand(s) > on the bike? I don't think so. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:34:28 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:34:23 -0400 From: Robert To: rich hall Subject: Re: Front/rear stand Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX FWIW, I carried a Pit Bull rear stand from Chantilly to my garage in Manassas with no mishaps. Put the legs of the stand around my waist, the floor section extending up my back, and held it on with a belt. Your mileage may seriously vary, but for a short trip it can be done. I would not consider doing this as a regular routine, however. Robert On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:22:52 -0400, rich hall wrote: > I do most of my work on the bike at my folks, they have a garage and more > tools. But I do some stuff at my place. Is there a way to carry stand(s) > on the bike? > > >From: Wayne Edelen > >To: rich hall > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Front/rear stand > >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, rich hall wrote: > > > > > $99 for both? Where'd you get them? How do you like them? > > > >Yes, $99 for both. I like 'em. > > > >http://www.handyindustries.com/standpackages.asp > > > >And the rear stand in use - > >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/071103/P0002840.jpg > > > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:47:54 2004 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:46:40 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Front/rear stand I know of a guy who carried 2x10's on his bike. you've just gotta be committed. Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, rich hall wrote: > > > I do most of my work on the bike at my folks, they have a garage and more > > tools. But I do some stuff at my place. Is there a way to carry stand(s) > > on the bike? > > I don't think so. > > -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 13:53:00 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Front/rear stand On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Skip wrote: > I know of a guy who carried 2x10's on his bike. you've just gotta be > committed. Maybe I should rephrase my statement... No, I would not carry them on the bike. They would seriously fuck you up if you wrecked with them wrapped around your torso or strapped anywhere else on your person. I can't see them easily/safely fitting around the passenger seat or in a saddlebag, due to their width (obviously, the rear stand is wider than the swingarm). If you want to carry them, it is possible and probably wouldn't be too difficult. Better? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 14:25:31 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:25:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Skip Subject: Re: Front/rear stand Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, and I've done the "hula hoop" thing with tires. (No jokes about carrying spare tires around the middle, please.) I have a PitBull front stem stand, in answer to Sean. -----Original Message----- From: Skip I know of a guy who carried 2x10's on his bike. you've just gotta be committed. --------- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 14:26:51 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:26:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Front/rear stand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Funny you mention those stands.... my buddy was considering them too but the front stand esp looks cheap and this article helps back up my thoughts: http://forums.cbrworld.net/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=90799 spend the money on Pitbulls, I think more then enough people on this list will agree. Glenn --- rich hall wrote: > $99 for both? Where'd you get them? How do you > like them? > > >From: Wayne Edelen > >To: > >Subject: Re: Front/rear stand > >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:09:53 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Sean Steele wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have a "universal" front and/or rear > stand (I need both) > > > thjat I could borrow to work on my Seca II? I > may want to borrow it for > > > 1-2 weeks depending on how my fixes go. > > > > > > Also, does anyone know of a "combo" front/rear > stand? > > > >I have the $99 Handy stand combo. I assume they'd > work for you and you're > >more than welcome to them... but I'm in Frederick > (and another list member > >has my front stand) :-) I can fix the latter, > you'd have to arrange > >pickup/drop off. > > > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail > from any Web page )B FREE > download! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 15:09:58 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:09:46 EDT Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was thinking either the first 2-3 weeks in July or the last 2-3 weeks in July. Make it a birthday present/trip to myself. :-) All depends on if I want to be outta the country for July 4th or not. My b-day is the 7th. Got three couch invites and two potential loaner bikes lined up already. ;-) This is gonna be a fun trip. hehe Scooter In a message dated 8/3/2004 1:15:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > I asked the other list members from > across the pond when would be a good time of year to go and got back June, July > and September. Early June can be iffy - I suffered this year at altitude. Long trip report on request. Later in June and all of July is usually pretty good. Europe goes on vacation in August - great weather, but high prices and low availability. The weather's still pretty good in September, and the crowds are back to work. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 15:11:32 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:11:18 EDT Subject: Re: Front/rear stand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To which asylum? %-) Scooter In a message dated 8/3/2004 1:48:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: I know of a guy who carried 2x10's on his bike. you've just gotta be committed. Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, rich hall wrote: > > > I do most of my work on the bike at my folks, they have a garage and more > > tools. But I do some stuff at my place. Is there a way to carry stand(s) > > on the bike? > > I don't think so. > > -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 15:14:14 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Front/rear stand On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Funny you mention those stands.... my buddy was > considering them too but the front stand esp looks > cheap and this article helps back up my thoughts: > > http://forums.cbrworld.net/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=90799 > > spend the money on Pitbulls, I think more then enough > people on this list will agree. I would like to get a Pitbull stemstand, but other than that the Handy stands work well. I've had mine for 2 yrs, using it on a fairly large bike, no issues. I know of at least 20 people using them without problems, all with Hayabusas. 1 persons carelessness/stupidity doesn't make the stand unstable. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 15:35:22 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:39:37 -0400 I rented a bike in London for 2 weeks there and it was great. If you are going over to Ireland you'll need to rent a shaftie, per the laws for crossing into another country. I rented the Yamaha Diversion 900 which was fairly gutless for a 900 (was 2-up tho) but came with the full Givi setup for free. Maybe the Deauville might be ok for 1 person. But no problems getting around, parking on sidewalks, lanesplitting at speed on a 2 lane road with traffic in both directions, lanesplitting on the motorway at speed, having special moto parking right up front of everything, being the first at every light, and just in general feeling like a hooligan but being perfectly legal. People use their directionals to signal that they want to pass or that you can pass them. If you are looking like you want to overtake a car on a 2 lane, oncoming traffic will flash you to signal that they see you want to go, and that they are going to make room for you to squeeze through. 3 abreast. It's great. And I'll echo Roach's comments about the speed limits being reasonable. You move along pretty good as it is. You'll also find that some of the delivery drivers in these little delivery box(truck)-car things go hauling down the lanes with big hedgerows, flying through blind corners. Following them is fun for a bit to see how fast they stuff them into the corners. Everybody sticks to their side of the road. Mike -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 8/3/2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Funny that this should all be brought up now. On another list I'm on, I'm plotting a 2-3 week Scotland/Ireland/England/Whateverland/NeverNeverLand trip next year and was talking about renting a bike while there. Sounds like I won't have any problems getting around. I asked the other list members from across the pond when would be a good time of year to go and got back June, July and September. Input Mr. Roach? ;-) How long were you guys there? Scooter In a message dated 8/3/2004 9:18:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: Lister Lynch wrote: > Add English and Irish to that list too. Having just driven over 500 miles in England while on Vacation, I have to say ... I really hate driving here now. The M1, for example ... 70mph speed limit, most people are driving 70-80mph. No one does anything even close to the stupid antics you find on the Beltway. Drivers are courteous, moving over to allow faster vehicles to go by, etc. Oh .. and people aren't offended by motorcycles. They even move over if they see one splitting lanes because traffic is backed up. Even in London and other cities ... it all just flows. I thought traffic circles were going to be a nightmare - they're not. They work. The only thing you really have to get used to (besides driving on the left) is that the streets are NARROW. But even with that people give way and you're able to go around parked/stopped vehicles, etc with very little problem. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 16:09:51 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Front/rear stand > > I would like to get a Pitbull stemstand, but other than that the Handy > stands work well. I've had mine for 2 yrs, using it on a fairly large > bike, no issues. I know of at least 20 people using them without > problems, all with Hayabusas. > > 1 persons carelessness/stupidity doesn't make the stand unstable. > I have a set too. They work great on all the bikes I've tried so far, including my Hayabusa! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 16:17:35 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:17:28 -0400 > I was thinking either the first 2-3 weeks in July or the last 2-3 weeks in > July. Make it a birthday present/trip to myself. :-) All depends on if I > want to be outta the country for July 4th or not. My b-day is the 7th. Got > three couch invites and two potential loaner bikes lined up already. ;-) This > is gonna be a fun trip. hehe Go for it! You have the two most expensive parts taken care of - bike rental and lodging. My past three trips have broken out to: Bike rental: 49% Airfare: 17% Lodging/eats: 22% Fuel & misc: 12% 2002 ran me about $3,200 door to door 2003 & 04 ran about $4,000 (Euro went from $.95 to $1.20). This was for two weeks plus a couple of days. If I had a free bike and place to crash, I'd be enroute right now. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 16:22:53 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:22:44 -0400 > I rented a bike in London for 2 weeks there and it was great. If you are > going over to Ireland you'll need to rent a shaftie, per the laws for > crossing into another country. ???? What laws? most bikes over there are chain drive and they don't seem to have troubles crossing borders. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 16:28:07 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Front/rear stand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- dan wrote: > > > > I would like to get a Pitbull stemstand, but other than > that the Handy > > stands work well. I've had mine for 2 yrs, using it on > a fairly large > > bike, no issues. I know of at least 20 people using > them without > > problems, all with Hayabusas. > > > > 1 persons carelessness/stupidity doesn't make the stand > unstable. > > > > I have a set too. They work great on all the bikes I've > tried so far, > including my Hayabusa! to my knowledge, every time the handy stands matter has come up, the situation involved an end user f-up. that tells me that the handy design allows too much idiot, er, human input (something all but eliminated by the pitbull models). -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 16:52:15 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Lister Lynch wrote: > And I'll echo Roach's comments about the speed limits being reasonable. You > move along pretty good as it is. You'll also find that some of the delivery > drivers in these little delivery box(truck)-car things go hauling down the > lanes with big hedgerows, flying through blind corners. Following them is > fun for a bit to see how fast they stuff them into the corners. Everybody > sticks to their side of the road. Which is not necessarily to say that you can just sit back and be oblivious, of course. 8;) Some very narrow roads, like the A470 and even the A5 across Wales, are also the primary trucking routes, so you definitely have to watch out for oncoming big boys who take up the entire roadway going around the tight turns. Makes life interesting... -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 16:52:16 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:52:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Just got a 2nd hand report of a motorcycle wreck at 395 near Washington Blvd in Arlington. Sounds like closed roads. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 17:01:15 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:01:01 EDT Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep. I figured those would be the two most expensive parts of the trip. The two bikes loans have also volunteered to take time off to play tour guide. I'd love to go right now but, I figured I would save up my vacation time and carry it over for next year. I'll have two weeks left from this year to carry over and get another three to four weeks next year. Plenty of time to take a nice long trip. ;-) Anyone wanna join me? :-) Scooter In a message dated 8/3/2004 4:17:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > I was thinking either the first 2-3 weeks in July or the last 2-3 weeks in > July. Make it a birthday present/trip to myself. :-) All depends on if I > want to be outta the country for July 4th or not. My b-day is the 7th. Got > three couch invites and two potential loaner bikes lined up already. ;-) This > is gonna be a fun trip. hehe Go for it! You have the two most expensive parts taken care of - bike rental and lodging. My past three trips have broken out to: Bike rental: 49% Airfare: 17% Lodging/eats: 22% Fuel & misc: 12% 2002 ran me about $3,200 door to door 2003 & 04 ran about $4,000 (Euro went from $.95 to $1.20). This was for two weeks plus a couple of days. If I had a free bike and place to crash, I'd be enroute right now. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 17:03:51 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:03:34 EDT Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not sure about the laws but, it was listed on the rental bikes sites that I was looking at about needing to be on a shaftie to cross into Ireland. Scotland and England are OK. Scooter In a message dated 8/3/2004 4:23:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > I rented a bike in London for 2 weeks there and it was great. If you are > going over to Ireland you'll need to rent a shaftie, per the laws for > crossing into another country. ???? What laws? most bikes over there are chain drive and they don't seem to have troubles crossing borders. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 17:29:05 2004 Subject: Online racing? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:29:05 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Hey all, I'm doing a lot of office hours right now and much of it is waiting on servers. I can think of much better ways to spend my time... like watching some decent AMA racing or something like that. Does anyone know of any decent online sites to watch any racing coverage? Live or pre-recorded, doesn't really matter to me. Any racing is better than watching flashing lights all day. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags... Going in for surgery this week - Yosh Titanium and Ivan's jet kit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 17:39:07 2004 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:38:33 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Online racing? Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > Does anyone >know of any decent online sites to watch any racing coverage? Live or >pre-recorded, doesn't really matter to me. Any racing is better than >watching flashing lights all day. > > > www.motogp.com Awesome coverage of qualifying, racing, and interviews. Very cool. Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 19:15:03 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Accident 7-16-04 Follow-Up To: DC Cycles Well, the insurance company is getting the bike (Bandit 1200S) fixed. Looks like about $3600 in damage. Mostly to the right side, but includes the tank, handlebars, both sides of the faring, the right engine cover, muffler, and windscreen. It looks like the repair shop (Cycle Center in Roanoke) is willing to work with me. In the spirit of "Don't replace, upgrade!" I'm going to have them get a Holeshot Slip-On (17" Street Core, Black), NRC engine covers, and the higher Suzuki touring windscreen. Still don't know how long it will take me to get back on the bike, but when I do, the bike will be ready. Me? I'm doing better as well. Getting more pain-free movement from my left arm, and I'm getting by with fewer pain pills. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 21:02:39 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Front/rear stand Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:02:11 -0400 FWIW a Pepboys special sale ad in Friday's 7/30 Post (p.D10) showed several jacks (one moto) and hoists. (Also pocket bikes, etc. etc.) Perhaps for a quick and dirty solution? Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > My own petard hoists quite well. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 21:03:11 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:58:45 -0400 Subject: Kwitcher Whining From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For crying out loud ! Almost an entire digest full of whining about having to follow the laws which everybody knows. It is not as if getting a ticket should be any surprise. Get over it and go for a ride, check your tire pressure, change the oil, argue about which bike is the beans this week-- annnnnnnnything. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 3 23:53:07 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dave Yates wrote: > LL commented: > > AMEN brother. Driving/riding in Europe and then coming back to the > States > > is a *most* frustrating experience. Driving is so civilized in > Europe, it > > makes US driving simply laughable. > > [Dave] err... My albeit limited 8 days in Athens taught me that Greek > pilots treat every mandatory stop like they're playing a game of "Pole > Position". It was actually kind of comical as all the > mopeds/scooters/motos > slid to the front and as the light was about to turn, just like a drag > race, > you could hear the revs climb and - off to the races... I like to b!tch > about our relatively low level of driving skill and courtesy - me > included... But I don't remember the Greeks being any more civilized, > respectful, or skillful at it. Actually with my 30 days in Athens, none of it driving, I believe the difference is that they're actively watching out for everyone else and there's no "me first, fsck the rest of you" attitude. There's cursing now and then but it's immediately forgotten. No grudges and no chasing someone down the street. See http://www.livejournal.com/users/va_bofh/31900.html for my opinion of the drivers in Athens. > > Just my few pieces of eight... > Dave > > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 02 Suzuki GSX1300RX (Hayabusa) 95 Suzuki GSX-R750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 00:04:37 2004 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I even saw a UPS driver in the trademarked brown shorts on a scooter also painted brown. I laughed at that sight :-) Carl --- Lister Lynch wrote: > I rented a bike in London for 2 weeks there and it was great. If you > are > going over to Ireland you'll need to rent a shaftie, per the laws for ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 02 Suzuki GSX1300RX (Hayabusa) 95 Suzuki GSX-R750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 00:09:01 2004 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:08:47 -0400 From: Brian Roach CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Paul Wilson wrote: > Theft is a moral crime, as is murder and countless others. > Speeding is not. Nifty ... which one isn't a violation of the law? Again, I just don't see what possible reason people have to complain about a method of upholding a law (in this case, traffic law). There is no difference between getting a ticket from a cop, or a camera. In either case, you protest it by going to court. I would rather have strict enforcement of reasonable speed limits (as is the case in the UK) any day of the week than selective enforcement of artificially low speed limits. Case in point: Our DC-Cycles run-in with the po-dunk sheriff in loudon county a few years ago. Officer Obie writes nine *reckless driving* tickets to people whom he never saw while in motion (he "pulled us over" after we'd been sitting at the side of the road for 2 - 3 minutes because someone said there was "a group of bikes being reckless in the area"), never mind the fact that the worst offense we committed was exceeding the posted limit by 5 - 10 mph. I'd rather a camera would have snapped a picture of me doing nothing, or at worst 5 mph over the limit ... would have saved me a whole lot of time and money. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 07:08:56 2004 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Front/rear stand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX How does the front stand lift the bike? It looks like a stand I once had that lifts the front of the bike with a bolt or nub on each side of the top of the stand. Is this one that way? If so I scratched the shit out of my forks with a stand like this. The pitbull doesn't use the holes in the bottom of the forks to lift the bike and there is never any metal to metal contact. I still think its worth the extra money for the Pitbull. Glenn --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > 1 persons carelessness/stupidity doesn't make the > stand unstable. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 07:22:37 2004 From: Daniel To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Front/rear stand Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:21:31 -0400 I use a rear stand, and a frame that was made for a swing, and ratchet my front end into the air. A friend of mine was the originator of this idea/tool, and gave it to me when he moved. Another friend I know has ratchet straps hooked into the roof of his garage.. either way same thing, and you gotta be careful using it. now that i think about it, i'm glad i have 2 rear wheel stands... also have a motorcycle jack.. that comes in handy. they are like 69 bux now. or maybe 59? check autozone and pep boys.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 07:26:28 2004 From: To: Subject: The Loudoun 9 - was: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 7:26:20 -0400 > because someone said there was "a group of bikes being reckless... Unfortunately, that "someone" was the Chief of Police in Purcellville. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 09:03:53 2004 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:02:15 -0400 From: Robert To: Bob McKeithen Subject: Re: Kwitcher Whining Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Speaking of which bike is king of the hill today (thanks, Bob!); anyone seen/ridden/has-a-close -friend-that-almost-saw the new Triumph Rocket III? I've read a few reviews online, and it almost sounds like the cruiser that could convince me to switch from sport bikes. Almost. Good gravy, a 2.3 liter motor?! That's a car engine! http://www.triumph.co.uk/site/bikes/page.cfm?BikeID=83 Robert On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:58:45 -0400, Bob McKeithen wrote: > For crying out loud ! Almost an entire digest full of whining about > having to follow the laws which everybody knows. It is not as if > getting a ticket should be any surprise. Get over it and go for a ride, > check your tire pressure, change the oil, argue about which bike is the > beans this week-- annnnnnnnything. > > Bob > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 09:05:02 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:04:47 EDT Subject: Re: Front/rear stand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/3/2004 1:48:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > I know of a guy who carried 2x10's on his bike. you've just gotta be > committed. For a number of years my wife and I used to buy a _live_ 6-7ft. christmas tree and take it home on the bike. Just to see the looks #8-o John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 09:08:45 2004 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:08:36 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Brian Roach Subject: Take care when quoting, was Re: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Be careful when snipping and quoting. I didn't write that. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach Paul Wilson wrote: > Theft is a moral crime, as is murder and countless others. > Speeding is not. Nifty ... which one isn't a violation of the law? .... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 09:23:48 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:23:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Kwitcher Whining > Good gravy, a 2.3 liter motor?! That's a car engine! Uhh, yeah. That's a good 300cc larger than my car engine. :: gulp :: -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 09:32:50 2004 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:32:42 -0400 From: Robert To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Kwitcher Whining - Cruisers Well, it's a toss-up between the Rocket and the Honda Rune, for the mechanical cojones on display.. Robert . On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:23:34 -0400, Sean Steele wrote: > > Good gravy, a 2.3 liter motor?! That's a car engine! > > Uhh, yeah. That's a good 300cc larger than my car engine. > > :: gulp :: > > -Sean > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 09:34:47 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:34:36 EDT Subject: Re: Front/rear stand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > 1 persons carelessness/stupidity doesn't make the > > stand unstable. I have worked in shops and rigged in one garage I had a system to _hang_ the bike from above. No way in hell to knock it over! (I actually used it as a back up for a not too secure lift in the shop.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 09:49:55 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:49:36 EDT Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 Follow-Up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good news. Glad you're doing better. And don't worry, you will most likely be getting back on the bike. I did after I totaled my first bike the first year I had it. And I am glad I did. I've had great fun on my bike, including riding cross-country. Keep us posted and see you out there. Scooter In a message dated 8/3/2004 7:15:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: Still don't know how long it will take me to get back on the bike, but when I do, the bike will be ready. Me? I'm doing better as well. Getting more pain-free movement from my left arm, and I'm getting by with fewer pain pills. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 10:10:37 2004 Subject: FW: Hey Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:10:24 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" From my bro (new rider). Any idea about the headlight on the 04 R6 see comment below: -----Original Message----- From: dan halton [mailto:danhalton@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:28 AM To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Hey Hey I drove my r6 into work today and noticed only one headlight worked. I freaked and called the dealer and he says that is normal for daytime running lights only one to be on for yamaha r6 - is that true? - on high beam both lights work. If it is true it looks really bad having only one day light on. Then this asshole quebec driver in the left lane decided to cut into to my lane as the car in front of him was turning, and squeezed me almost into the sidewalk i wanted to punch his head in. Just because there is more space b/c it's a bike doesn't mean drivers can take it. I realise the reason there is so many bike accidents is b/c drivers either don't see the bikes or think they own all the free space in biker's lanes. --- Julian Halton wrote: > Dan > Enjoy your bike BUT make sure to follow the break in period..dont over > rev it..and if you want to save money, I will buy yuor bike from you > and give you mine instead. :) > > > Julian Halton > Systems Analyst > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > v. 800.4768781x2338 > f. 703.528.3296 > > ===== Dan Halton E-mail:danhalton@XXXXXX __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 10:18:06 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Brian Ray" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 Follow-Up Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:21:56 -0400 Glad to hear you are getting better. Completely stock, your Bandit was jetted extremely lean. Since you are installing a good, free-flowing slip on (which, by the way, comes with a new elbow pipe...eliminating even more flow restriction and weight--the stocker is a real POS), you really need to install a jet kit. Either a Holeshot stage I or II jet kit will work (http://www.holeshot.com/), I'd recommend going with the Stage II (more horsepower, get rid of the f-ing airbox). The Bandit airbox is very restrictive. Also, with the airbox gone, all maintenance tasks become easier. I think Holeshot recommends the 5* ignition advancer at this point. It isn't expensive and it supposedly improves throttle response. I put it in when I did the Stage II and slip-on, so I can't verify the difference it makes. With just the slip-on and Stage II, you will really wake up the bike. More smooth, controllable power everywhere. The increases I got by going to the full exhaust weren't all that great. Adding a GSXR intake cam allowed it to pull much harder up top--and hard all the way to redline--but the low-midrange power suffered. I guess what I'm saying is that the $$$ to HP ratio is most favorable with Stage II and slip-on. --jon 2001 Bandit 1200 (soon to be FS, contact me off-list) 2002 CBR 954 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ray" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: Accident 7-16-04 Follow-Up > Well, the insurance company is getting the bike > (Bandit 1200S) fixed. Looks like about $3600 in > damage. Mostly to the right side, but includes the > tank, handlebars, both sides of the faring, the right > engine cover, muffler, and windscreen. > > It looks like the repair shop (Cycle Center in > Roanoke) is willing to work with me. In the spirit of > "Don't replace, upgrade!" I'm going to have them get a > Holeshot Slip-On (17" Street Core, Black), NRC engine > covers, and the higher Suzuki touring windscreen. > > Still don't know how long it will take me to get back > on the bike, but when I do, the bike will be ready. > > Me? I'm doing better as well. Getting more pain-free > movement from my left arm, and I'm getting by with > fewer pain pills. > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 10:22:29 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:22:17 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Hey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I believe the dealer is correct. The latest round of bikes (not just Yamahas) use one headlight (low-beam) as on all the time. Both lights come on when you flick on the hi-beams. I don't think you can do anything to change it but, I'm mechanically challenged and could be wrong about that. He'll just have to get used to it. Tell him that if he wants both headlights on, I'll trade him my 2000 R6 for his. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 8/4/2004 10:10:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: From my bro (new rider). Any idea about the headlight on the 04 R6 see comment below: -----Original Message----- From: dan halton [mailto:danhalton@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:28 AM To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Hey Hey I drove my r6 into work today and noticed only one headlight worked. I freaked and called the dealer and he says that is normal for daytime running lights only one to be on for yamaha r6 - is that true? - on high beam both lights work. If it is true it looks really bad having only one day light on. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 10:25:05 2004 Subject: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:24:49 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , I tried that one already...the guy says he needs money for a ring , getting married 12 September so I offered to give him my 02 r6 and take his,. This was not favorably received. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:22 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Hey I believe the dealer is correct. The latest round of bikes (not just Yamahas) use one headlight (low-beam) as on all the time. Both lights come on when you flick on the hi-beams. I don't think you can do anything to change it but, I'm mechanically challenged and could be wrong about that. He'll just have to get used to it. Tell him that if he wants both headlights on, I'll trade him my 2000 R6 for his. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 8/4/2004 10:10:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: From my bro (new rider). Any idea about the headlight on the 04 R6 see comment below: -----Original Message----- From: dan halton [mailto:danhalton@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:28 AM To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Hey Hey I drove my r6 into work today and noticed only one headlight worked. I freaked and called the dealer and he says that is normal for daytime running lights only one to be on for yamaha r6 - is that true? - on high beam both lights work. If it is true it looks really bad having only one day light on. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 11:00:17 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 01 gsxr 600 forsale Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:59:13 -0400 blue white polished frame+swing arm chrome wheels email if interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 11:52:53 2004 Subject: Awareness advisory (warning non -moto related content) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:52:37 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I walked by a co-workers office this morning and was stunned to see not his usual smile but a bruised and bloody face. 10:30 PM. Bowie, MD. His home. He stepped out of his van and was retrieving items from the trunk. The first thing he felt was the sharp pain of a pistol butt crashing down onto his shoulder blade. He turned to face his two assailants and was hit repeatedly in the face and neck. He was robbed of wallet documents and other personal items. In his driveway. I am not an alarmist nor I am I going to crow about urban crime. My point in posting this is to remind us all (including myself) to always be very aware of our surroundings. Listening to my co-worker talk, I was playing the what-if game to see what alternatives he had. Two guys with pistols that had the drop on you. Not many. It happened so quickly that I do not believe it was random. Turns out the guy gets home at exactly the same time every night. My _guess_ is they had been 'clocking' him for a while. Anyone with comments is free to reply off list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 11:57:47 2004 From: Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Rocket - Was Kwitcher whining Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:57:30 -0400 > anyone seen/ridden/has-a-close -friend-that-almost-saw the new Triumph > Rocket III? Just checked it out online... what's up with the extra exhaust pipe? Looks like a three-into-two on one side, then this extra "thing" coming out of the oil sump on the other side. As for looks... Rune, any day. Beautiful bike... and I don't even like cruisers. :P --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 12:42:41 2004 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:42:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 - was: Demonstrated Proficiency - was BRP speeding At 07:26 AM 8/4/04 -0400, mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: >> because someone said there was "a group of bikes being reckless... > >Unfortunately, that "someone" was the Chief of Police in Purcellville. Used to be that in VA the issuing officer had to personally witness the infraction. Has that changed? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 12:42:45 2004 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:41:35 -0400 To: Daniel , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Front/rear stand At 07:21 AM 8/4/04 -0400, Daniel wrote: >now that i think about it, i'm glad i have 2 rear wheel stands... >also have a motorcycle jack.. that comes in handy. they are like 69 >bux now. or maybe 59? check autozone and pep boys.. Costco has them for about $80, and the moto/ATV lift comes with a little stool too. Quality and design of the lift looks a lot like the one Sears sells, which is about $10-$20 more, but has the Craftsman lifetime warranty. Both are the double-support, lift-from-the side-under-the-frame types. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 12:44:31 2004 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:44:38 -0400 To: "Sean Steele" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Kwitcher Whining At 09:23 AM 8/4/04 -0400, Sean Steele wrote: >> Good gravy, a 2.3 liter motor?! That's a car engine! > >Uhh, yeah. That's a good 300cc larger than my car engine. That's not a car engine, that's an overgrown go-kart! ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 12:45:51 2004 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:45:56 -0400 To: Robert , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Kwitcher Whining - Cruisers At 09:32 AM 8/4/04 -0400, Robert wrote: >Well, it's a toss-up between the Rocket and the Honda Rune, for the >mechanical cojones on display.. The Rune looks nice though. It's cool, without trying to copy the Harley look like lots of other metric cruisers. It has its own look. What does the Rocket look like? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 13:18:03 2004 Reply-To: "Patrick Carter" From: "Patrick Carter" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:05:07 -0400 Don't know if anyone here knew Katie or not but... http://www.dcsportbikes.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9169&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=3&TopicID=10069&ReturnPage=&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=1 :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: wreck 395 and wash blvd? > > > Just got a 2nd hand report of a motorcycle wreck at 395 near Washington > Blvd in Arlington. Sounds like closed roads. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 13:32:10 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:31:57 -0400 Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? One of my best friends has known her since she was a little kid. Her brother Jay is a real estate agent in Haymarket. The Ashtons are a close family and they are all understandably beside themeselves with grief. Apparently she had forgotten something at work and was headed back to pick it up when the accident happened. They say she died instantly. She is survived by her 9 year old daugher. -Sean Patrick Carter wrote: > Don't know if anyone here knew Katie or not but... > > http://www.dcsportbikes.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9169&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 13:34:35 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:33:39 -0400 Does anyone know how she died? What caused the accident? _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 13:40:09 2004 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Does anyone know what exactly happened? Glenn --- Sean Steele wrote: > One of my best friends has known her since she was a > little kid. Her > brother Jay is a real estate agent in Haymarket. > > The Ashtons are a close family and they are all > understandably beside > themeselves with grief. > > Apparently she had forgotten something at work and > was headed back to > pick it up when the accident happened. They say she > died instantly. > > She is survived by her 9 year old daugher. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 13:49:18 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:48:45 -0400 Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? From what I was told, she was exiting I-95N and rear-ended a stopped taxi. That's all I know. -Sean Glenn Dysart wrote: > Does anyone know what exactly happened? > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 13:50:02 2004 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: From Wash post. Joyrider Pleads Guilty in D.C. Death By Henri E. Cauvin Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 4, 2004; Page B04 The only teenager charged as an adult in this year's string of juvenile joyriding deaths pleaded guilty yesterday to killing a 21-year-old man last month in Southeast Washington. Looking anxious and speaking in a reluctant whisper, Andrew Lofty, 16, admitted being behind the wheel of the stolen minivan that plowed into Terry Andrew Weaver on July 2 on G Street SE. It was the first conviction of a driver in the four recent deaths linked to juvenile joyriders, many of whom operate stolen cars. Charged with second-degree murder, Lofty pleaded guilty in D.C. Superior Court to the lesser charge of involuntary manslaughter. The agreement did not seem to make it any easier for him to address the court and acknowledge his guilt. More than once, Judge Robert I. Richter had to repeat a question as he queried the defendant. "How do you wish to plead, guilty or not guilty?" Richter asked. Lofty, dressed in an orange jail jumpsuit and standing next to his attorney, James E. Williams, said nothing. "Guilty, or not guilty?" Richter asked again. "Guilty," Lofty murmured. Unlike a charge of murder or voluntary manslaughter, which generally requires that the defendant had a specific intent to kill, involuntary manslaughter requires evidence only that the defendant should have known the potentially fatal risks of his or her actions. Lofty was traveling about 15 mph over the 25 mph limit and was in the oncoming traffic lane when he collided with Weaver's motorcycle. Five other youths were in the minivan, and all have been charged as juveniles; two have pleaded responsible to various charges, and the other three are awaiting trial. The maximum sentence for involuntary manslaughter is 30 years, and the maximum for unauthorized use of a vehicle -- the other charge Lofty pleaded guilty to -- is five years. By pleading guilty just a month after he was charged and before he was indicted by a grand jury, Lofty has probably earned himself a measure of leniency when he is sentenced Oct. 15. Defense attorneys and the prosecutor both said the plea was the right outcome. "There was really no dispute about the facts," Williams said outside the courtroom. "Involuntary manslaughter would have been a good resolution after a trial." Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Balacek said the deal was "appropriate." In the corridors outside the courtroom and on the sidewalk outside the courthouse, Lofty's mother, Vivian Lofty, and his uncle, Vernon Knight-Bey, expressed sympathy for Weaver's family. "We feel sorry for the family of the young man my nephew killed," Knight-Bey said, calling it an accident. Vivian Lofty said that she had tried to keep her son in line and out of trouble but that he was defiant. "I talked to my son plenty of times, and he didn't listen," she said. Now, she said, she is resigned to the fate of Weaver and the fate of her son. "I can't bring that person back," she said, "but my son is going to pay the price." -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 14:32:18 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Patrick Carter'" , "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:31:38 -0400 What a sad day. My thoughts and prayers are with her daughter, friends and family.. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Carter [mailto:dpc2@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:05 PM To: Daniel H. Brown; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Don't know if anyone here knew Katie or not but... http://www.dcsportbikes.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9169&po stdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=3&TopicID=1006 9&ReturnPage=&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=1 :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: wreck 395 and wash blvd? > > > Just got a 2nd hand report of a motorcycle wreck at 395 near Washington > Blvd in Arlington. Sounds like closed roads. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 14:35:13 2004 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:35:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From Wash post. If he serves more than 18 months in the slammer, I'll be shocked. -----Original Message----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" Joyrider Pleads Guilty in D.C. Death By Henri E. Cauvin Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 4, 2004; Page B04 The only teenager charged as an adult in this year's string of juvenile joyriding deaths pleaded guilty yesterday to killing a 21-year-old man last month in Southeast Washington. ... The maximum sentence for involuntary manslaughter is 30 years, and the maximum for unauthorized use of a vehicle -- the other charge Lofty pleaded guilty to -- is five years. .... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 15:02:55 2004 Subject: Bad Experience with Moto Accessory Warehouse Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:02:09 -0400 From: "Morrison, Brian" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-WSS-ID: 6D0FED2511561200-05-01 I needed a new cover (some scumbag stole mine while it was locked to my window bars - who does that?), a new chain, and sprockets. So I shopped around and went with Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse because their prices were appreciably better. Now I know why. Admittedly, chains and sprockets are heavy, but they charged me $24.34 for shipping and $8.95 for handling. Moreoever, the ordering process doesn't ever tell you what your shipping costs will be. It's a surprise. So I won't be ordering from them in the future, and I don't recommend that you do unless you call them and find out the exact prices. And if you see anyone walking around with a beat-up, burned-up DOWCO cover with the D-rings ripped off of it (that's what it was locked by), beat the piss out of them for me, would you? Brian ------------------------------------------------------------ NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (call us collect at (202) 434-5000) and immediately delete this message and all its attachments. ============================================================ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 15:19:42 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 01 gsxr 600 forsale Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:18:30 -0400 $5500 or best offer On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:59:13 -0400, Daniel wrote: >blue white >polished frame+swing arm >chrome wheels > >email if interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 15:22:48 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: BMorrison@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad Experience with Moto Accessory Warehouse Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:10:42 -0400 Yeah, their shipping practices do suck...but if you can ask for a shipping adjustment after your package arrives. It's been a long time since I've ordered from them, so I don't fully remember the sequence....but I believe you just call them after your shipment arrives, and they will then know what warehouse it actually shipped from, and can adjust the real charges they incurred. They should issue you a credit for the difference. Good luck. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Morrison, Brian" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bad Experience with Moto Accessory Warehouse Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:02:09 -0400 I needed a new cover (some scumbag stole mine while it was locked to my window bars - who does that?), a new chain, and sprockets. So I shopped around and went with Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse because their prices were appreciably better. Now I know why. Admittedly, chains and sprockets are heavy, but they charged me $24.34 for shipping and $8.95 for handling. Moreoever, the ordering process doesn't ever tell you what your shipping costs will be. It's a surprise. So I won't be ordering from them in the future, and I don't recommend that you do unless you call them and find out the exact prices. And if you see anyone walking around with a beat-up, burned-up DOWCO cover with the D-rings ripped off of it (that's what it was locked by), beat the piss out of them for me, would you? Brian ------------------------------------------------------------ NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (call us collect at (202) 434-5000) and immediately delete this message and all its attachments. ============================================================ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 15:54:54 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:54:47 -0400 >>Unfortunately, that "someone" was the Chief of Police in Purcellville. > > Used to be that in VA the issuing officer had to personally witness the > infraction. Has that changed? Evidently. Or maybe it was enough that another cop thought that he witnessed it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 16:21:54 2004 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:22:01 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 At 03:54 PM 8/4/04 -0400, mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: >>>Unfortunately, that "someone" was the Chief of Police in Purcellville. >> >> Used to be that in VA the issuing officer had to personally witness the >> infraction. Has that changed? > >Evidently. I guess. >Or maybe it was enough that another cop thought that he witnessed it. No, used to be that that wasn't enough. Maryland was different...so they could do things like having a cop with a radar gun hiding in a truck or whatever, with a radio to a cop up the road who'd do the stops and write the tickets. That wasn't legal in Virginia...the cop that saw it had to sign the ticket. Guess they changed that some time in the last 24 years. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 19:00:03 2004 Reply-To: "Patrick Carter" From: "Patrick Carter" To: "Sean Steele" , Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:29:32 -0400 I heard something to that effect except I heard that the taxi cut her off before she rear-ended. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Steele" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? > From what I was told, she was exiting I-95N and rear-ended a stopped > taxi. That's all I know. > > -Sean > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Does anyone know what exactly happened? > > > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 4 20:56:13 2004 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:51:47 -0400 Subject: Rocket III From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Winchester Motosport has one which I ,at least, sat on. Bob If your mind wanders, ride after it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 06:54:57 2004 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX let me guess.... all 9 of the loudoun 9 pled guilty? --- mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > >>Unfortunately, that "someone" was the Chief of Police > in Purcellville. > > > > Used to be that in VA the issuing officer had to > personally witness the > > infraction. Has that changed? > > Evidently. Or maybe it was enough that another cop > thought that he witnessed it. > > Michael J. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 07:57:07 2004 Reply-To: "Louis Caplan" From: "Louis Caplan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 07:58:35 -0400 -------Original Message------- > From: Patrick Carter > Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? > Sent: Aug 04 2004 13:05:07 > > Don't know if anyone here knew Katie or not but... > > http://www.dcsportbikes.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9169&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 > http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=3&TopicID=10069&ReturnPage=&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=1 > > > > :-( > I didn't know Katie, but apparently she was a contractor in my gov't agency. I got this e-mail yesterday: >All, > >Please read below and those of you who are bikers please be careful. >She was a young mom with an 8 y/o. Place her family in your prayers. >CIO Team >We had a death in SI26 yesterday. Ms Kate Ashton, contractor >supporting our help desk team died yesterday in a motorcycle accident >upon leaving work. Accident took place between 4:00-4:30 PM. MAJ >Hutchison will keep us in the loop on how we can support and offer our >condolences to the family. Please . please, take the time to stress to >anyone in your staff who may be a motorcycle rider that they need to >practice safety when riding their bikes. > I really wish they didn't empathize the "Please . please, take the time to stress to anyone in your staff who may be a motorcycle rider that they need to practice safety when riding their bikes. " As I pointed out to a co-worker, if someone died in a skiing accident, or even just driving, would they tell all employees that if they ski or drive, they should practice safety while doing so? I read through some of the forums about Katie, and it seems I missed knowing a wonderful person. My sympathies to her daughter and family. Louis - - - - - - - - "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 08:11:50 2004 From: To: "Louis Caplan" , Subject: Re: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 8:11:37 -0400 > I really wish they didn't empathize the "Please . please, take the time to stress to > anyone in your staff who may be a motorcycle rider that they need to > practice safety when riding their bikes. " As I pointed out to a co-worker, if someone died in a skiing accident, or even just driving, would they tell all employees that if they ski or drive, they should practice safety while doing so? > > I read through some of the forums about Katie, and it seems I missed knowing a wonderful person. My sympathies to her daughter and family. > > Louis > > - - - - - - - - I really really hate to hear news like this. I just HATE to hear of a tragic accident like this. I'd like to know more particulars of what happened though. Was the taxi driver stopped illegally? Did she just not see that traffic was stopped? I agree that the "please please" may be over the top but I think the intent wasn't to differentiate motorcycle riders from cage drivers or anyone else but a genuine concern for the well being of the staff. I think everyone knows that riding a bike in this traffic is inherently more dangerous than riding in a cage. I just think, in this instance, it came out the wrong way. Maybe a quick email to the originator of how you, (and possibly or riders and even non-riders in your organization), may have taken it and that the ramification of that is the possibility of "lecturing" from non-riding staff that may result. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 08:20:55 2004 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:19:53 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > I really really hate to hear news like this. I just HATE to hear of a > tragic accident like this. I'd like to know more particulars of what > happened though. Was the taxi driver stopped illegally? Did she just > not see that traffic was stopped? I tend to believe Sean's account more that what is posted on .net given her status over there. I had been a group ride with her and had also seen her riding in the HOV. A close friend of mine had been on a few group rides with her. She did things that were unacceptable to me from a safety standpoint. Until we see the police report, we won't know anything. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 08:37:13 2004 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:36:59 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 Tom Gimer wrote: > let me guess.... all 9 of the loudoun 9 pled guilty? No, they dropped the charges. Our lawyer got the DA to chuck everything if we all agreed to take an "online driving school" (complete joke, but it did put me at +5 bonus points on my license for $50). I still feel screwed, mind you. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 09:42:35 2004 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:40:57 -0400 To: , "Louis Caplan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? At 08:11 AM 8/5/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >I really really hate to hear news like this. I just HATE to hear of a tragic accident like this. I'd like to know more particulars of what happened though. Was the taxi driver stopped illegally? Did she just not see that traffic was stopped? Yeah, sounds like one of the sadder situations that have appeared on the list. It will be worst for her daughter. I hope the family handles it well. One of the forums pointed to had a little more detail, but it wasn't confirmed. It suggested that the taxi may have cut in front of her, making it the cabby's fault more than hers. >I agree that the "please please" may be over the top but I think the intent wasn't to differentiate motorcycle riders from cage drivers or anyone else but a >Maybe a quick email to the originator of how you, (and possibly or riders and even non-riders in your organization), may have taken it and that the ramification of that is the possibility of "lecturing" from non-riding staff that may result. Yeah, and maybe a comment to the local cabs about driving legally and with more care? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 10:34:05 2004 Subject: Tales from the Dark Side Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:33:50 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Halfway through the night, I have my back turned to the bar and I am wondering why a certain girl has not returned my call. I turn around and there she is right in front of me. Tired but happy we start chatting. The bar actually gets busy and she quietly stays the whole evening. Let's jump to 2:30 AM. She is following my by my short-cut route back into Arlington. I am on the bike and have asked her to not follow closely and watch out for forest rats. After the Key Bridge, we go our separate ways. I hit Lee highway and get hollered at by drunk girls in a BMW. On-ramp to 66W towards Ballston (R6 garage). In front of me is a Washington Flyer cab. I am keeping my usual distance and yellow flashing lights ahead alert me to construction. Two lanes become one as some major highway op is under way. I am paying attention to the state trooper parked on my left, orange pylons, flashing lights and scanning. Wait a minute, there are men in orange hats to my left walking back in forth. Washington Flyer in front of me hits his brakes HARD. I have adequate sight\stopping distance so I am not overly concerned. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is almost no brake response. My rear wheel is violently fishtailing and I am about to rear end the numbnuts and his cab who has slammed on his brake. Don't panic, no time to think, ease of the brakes, squeeze, release, angle the bike on a diagonal. I am still sliding and I am myself to the left of the cab. I slide out of my lane, past some pylons and into the lane being worked on. Guys are yelling. I eventually slow down and get the bike under control. The cab is nowhere to be seen. I gingerly angle right to get back onto the road. My bike is not working. I cannot brake or turn. I feel like I am on ice. I am heading towards exit 71 and 27-32 miles per hour is all I can manage. Sod this I must have a flat. From behind me comes my dear cabbie with other vehicles accelerating to 65 mph plus and passing me sending dozens of small rocks at my helmet and towards my bike. I am thinking replacement tire and long wait. I am creeping along at the shoulder at 25 miles per hour with a bike attached to he ground by eelskin At the garage, stop the bike and inspect. Air pressure is fine. My tires are not. They look like Krispy Kreme donuts coated in glaze with zillions of bits attached to it. Somewhere in this brouahaha, my tires have become coated in black goo finished with pebble sprinkles. The goo is stiff to touch and hard to come off. I am thinking two new tires. I spend a few minutes trying to get this off. I regroup and realize that I must let someone know and get this crud off my tires. I head out looking for an officer. Back on the bike I am driving around near where I live for about twenty minutes before I find two right across from the Giant on South Wayne and Columbia. I pull a left turn and approach. Dismount from bike tell story. The younger officer heard me out and said that it really sucked, not sure what he could do and that I had a nice bike. The older officer was rude said he could not help me and when I explained further adopted the "I have just lumped you into generic scum bag, late night piece of crap" tone and way of speaking. I told them I was leaving and headed back towards Ballston. Spent thirty minutes digging\rubbing crud off my tires. This exercise has given me a visceral understanding of contact patch. I need to get the sides of my tire clear before this stuff hardens. Out to the parking lot of Marymount university at 4:00 AM. At this point I do not care who comes along. I start doing circles trying to burn off this crap on my tires. At one point I lean so low I scrape the toe of my boot. Going one way , than the other. After twenty minutes back to the garage for inspection. My rear tire looks good. My front tire still is Krispy Kreme'd all the way around in the middle of the tire. Clean bike, contemplate sleeping at work, head home and start writing this. Questions\comments - what a group of stupid gits to be working on the road, wandering about spraying rocks and crud everywhere - who is responsible for this - If I have to replace anything : tires, SIDI boot can I make the powers responsible pay - One cop said call VDOT - tire "health". My back tire looks fine, my front is still effed up in the middle. I am suspecting this is a mix of tar and pebbles - Can I "ride this off" or do I need a new tire - I am not sure whether this stuff was coating my tire before I hit the brakes to avoid the cab but my brake response was nothing like what it should be. Thanks in part to this list, because you are all partially responsible for me not screwing the pooch in my initial stop. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 10:46:27 2004 Subject: RE: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:46:24 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >Yeah, sounds like one of the sadder situations that have appeared >on the list. It will be worst for her daughter. I hope the >family handles it well. I didn't know Katie (or even really know OF her till this thread), but it is always a sad thing when someone loses their life prematurely. Knowing she was a biker just makes it touch a little closer to home. Regardless of the causes of that incedent, we all need to keep our eyes open... There are way too many cell-phone using idiots driving cages out there. >Yeah, and maybe a comment to the local cabs about driving legally >and with more care? Call this a stereotype if you will, but I *HATE* taxi and bus drivers. They both seem to believe that "rules and laws are for everyone else". In my old beater of a pickup truck, I managed to hit four taxis and two buses. All six of the other drivers were charged, all but one of them with failure to yield right of way. Were I driving a vehicle I didn't care about (don't have any of those any more), I probably wouldn't even attempt to avoid taxis or buses unless I thought someone might get hurt. I *LOATHE* them! They are worse than chain lube overspray on tires, IMO. I will tell you one thing that helps me sleep at night though... If you spot one of them being stupid, call the cab or bus company and lodge a complaint. Get the vehicle number AND the tag number and let 'em have it. An aquaintance of the family is a taxi driver and has explained that they get a ration of cr@p if they get complaints against them, including loss of income!!! :P I'm not sure that applies to all companies, but I hear most of the DC-are companies work like that. Ok... Done ranting. --smthng '01 FZ1 - Goes in for surgery tomorrow... Titanium is a good thing! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 10:53:07 2004 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:52:59 -0400 From: Robert To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Tales from the Dark Side Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Julian; Sounds like you had an encounter with the dreaded "pavement sealer," freshly applied. Riders frequently express disgust at the slippery black road seams that offer absolutely no traction when coated with a film of dew, but you ran into the raw stuff in it's more potent form! Glad to hear you're okay, and that all is mostly well with the Yamaha. I would expect the stuff to wear off your tires, given time, but I would also give your local DOT a call to see what their complaint procedures offer. VDOT? http://www.virginiadot.org/infoservice/contact-us.asp#local Another reminder to us all to stay safe out there. Robert On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:33:50 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > Somewhere in this brouahaha, my > tires have become coated in black goo finished with pebble sprinkles. > The goo is stiff to touch and hard to come off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 10:55:11 2004 Subject: RE: Tales from the Dark Side Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:55:10 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Julian Halton" , >Halfway through the night... ...head home and start writing this. Dude, I have no words other than "that sucks!". Good thinking on your part though. :) >Questions\comments - who is responsible for this My opinion... VDOT! Hammer them! - If I have to replace anything : tires, SIDI boot can I make the powers responsible pay Possibly, but not likely... It would probably fall under the same category of rocks hitting windshields... Your insurance covers it. - One cop said call VDOT Yup. It's worth a shot. - tire "health". My back tire looks fine, my front is still effed up in the middle. I am suspecting this is a mix of tar and pebbles TAKE PICTURES!!! You need to have some kind of visible proof before tackling anyone for money. Get several good pictures of that crap before you attempt to scrape any more off. - Can I "ride this off" or do I need a new tire Er... Probably. Not sure it would be real safe to do so, however. I'd try a brass brush on it first. Others may have better ideas. - I am not sure whether this stuff was coating my tire before I hit the brakes to avoid the cab but my brake response was nothing like what it should be. Thanks in part to this list, because you are all partially responsible for me not screwing the pooch in my initial stop. See my previous post regarding cabbies. 'Nuff said! :P --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 11:12:05 2004 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:11:14 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Tales from the Dark Side At 10:33 AM 8/5/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >Questions\comments > >- what a group of stupid gits to be working on the road, wandering about >spraying rocks and crud everywhere Sounds like they may have sprayed stuff outside of their work area...if that's what cost you your traction. Wouldn't have to be over a large area either. >- who is responsible for this The highway department and/or their contractors? >- If I have to replace anything : tires, SIDI boot can I make the >powers responsible pay Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. You'd need pics of the area you rode through, showing that they had sprayed tar or whatever it was outside of their marked work zone, thus creating an unmarked hazard to navigation. You'd need that to show that you didn't pick the stuff up when you ran through their work zone...and that that was *why* you ran through their work zone (otherwise you may be liable for something for that bit of the action). >- One cop said call VDOT Maybe a good idea. You might also call the police station and report that two of their officers were totally unconcerned about a potentially hazardous situation on the roads they patrol...though without badge numbers you aren't likely to get much of a response. >- tire "health". My back tire looks fine, my front is still effed up in >the middle. I am suspecting this is a mix of tar and pebbles Sounds likely. The back rubbed off from power being applied I guess, but the front wheel just coasts. One reason for a 2WD bike? ;-) >- Can I "ride this off" or do I need a new tire There may be solvents that will remove it without destroying the tire, but offhand I'm not sure what those might be. Contacting VDOT for a list of things that will remove it, and then the tire manufacturer for to thin that list to things that won't ruin your tire might be the best shot. I know they make stuff to remove road tar from paint (auto parts store), but it's petroleum based and may well eat tire rubber. I dunno, I'm not a chemist. >- I am not sure whether this stuff was coating my tire before I hit the >brakes to avoid the cab but my brake response was nothing like what it >should be. Thanks in part to this list, because you are all partially >responsible for me not screwing the pooch in my initial stop. Sounds like you handled an emergency situation well. You stayed on two wheels and didn't get hurt. That's the most important part. Lots of people would have frozen for a few seconds when the brakes didn't have the usual effect, and that might have used up all the safety margin. I know I started to do that when I had that slide on the gunky left turn lane. Luckily for me, there was enough room to get stopped anyway, so all I had to do was modulate the rear to keep the back end from trying to pass me. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 11:38:51 2004 From: To: Mike Bartman , "Louis Caplan" , Subject: Re: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:38:41 -0400 > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/08/05 Thu AM 09:40:57 EDT > To: , "Louis Caplan" , > > Subject: Re: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? > > At 08:11 AM 8/5/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >I really really hate to hear news like this. I just HATE to hear of a > tragic accident like this. I'd like to know more particulars of what > happened though. Was the taxi driver stopped illegally? Did she just not > see that traffic was stopped? > > Yeah, sounds like one of the sadder situations that have appeared on the > list. It will be worst for her daughter. I hope the family handles it well. > > One of the forums pointed to had a little more detail, but it wasn't > confirmed. It suggested that the taxi may have cut in front of her, making > it the cabby's fault more than hers. > > >I agree that the "please please" may be over the top but I think the > intent wasn't to differentiate motorcycle riders from cage drivers or > anyone else but a > > >Maybe a quick email to the originator of how you, (and possibly or riders > and even non-riders in your organization), may have taken it and that the > ramification of that is the possibility of "lecturing" from non-riding > staff that may result. > > Yeah, and maybe a comment to the local cabs about driving legally and with > more care? > ..you're assuming they can read. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 12:42:06 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:41:56 -0400 > let me guess.... all 9 of the loudoun 9 pled guilty? Nope - we pled Not Guilty. Here's when the fun starts - we, as a group, retained an attorney to represent us (looking for a quantity discount). When we finally got to court, we had to pick up the garbage... in the snow. Whoops - wrong case. Outcome was we: took a driver improvement course and the charges disappeared. When it was my turn to sit beside Billy Bob in his patrol car, I asked him what I did. His response was "You know what you did". Gotta love 'Murrican jurisprudence. And cops wonder why they don't get any respect... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 12:43:05 2004 From: To: Brian Roach , Tom Gimer CC: Subject: Re: Re: The Loudoun 9 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:57 -0400 > I still feel screwed, mind you. That's 'cause you were. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 12:45:31 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:45:23 -0400 > it did put me at +5 bonus points on my license for $50). Me again - that was $50 plus the stipend for our counsel, bless his little heart. I still think that we should have walked with the court issuing a reprimand for improper procedure to the LEOs involved. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 12:56:27 2004 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well we got screwed out of $500+ dollars that's for sure. That's for damn sure. --- Brian Roach wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > let me guess.... all 9 of the loudoun 9 pled guilty? > > No, they dropped the charges. Our lawyer got the DA to chuck everything > if we all agreed to take an "online driving school" (complete joke, but > it did put me at +5 bonus points on my license for $50). > > I still feel screwed, mind you. > > - Roach > > > > -- > http://www.speedwerks.com > The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! > (302) 672 - 7223 > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 13:07:49 2004 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:07:35 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 At 12:41 PM 8/5/04 -0400, mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: >When we finally got to court, we had to pick up the garbage... in the snow. Sounds like a case of blind justice. I bet nobody looked at the 8x10" color glossy photographs with the circles and arrows and paragraph descriptions on the back of each one, huh? ;-) >Whoops - wrong case. Yeah, but I wonder how many here caught the reference? ;-) >Outcome was we: took a driver improvement course and the charges disappeared. > >When it was my turn to sit beside Billy Bob in his patrol car, I asked him what I did. His response was "You know what you did". Yeah, but does *he* know what you did? Doesn't sound like it. >Gotta love 'Murrican jurisprudence. And cops wonder why they don't get any respect... I suspect your plea bargain may have resulted from the issuing officer not being able to testify against you, and the purported complainant not signing the ticket. It's possible that a better lawyer might have gotten you off entirely, but that may have depended on how closely related the judge was to officer Obie. And I was thinking of moving out near Purcelville too...ah well... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 13:07:49 2004 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:02:21 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: D.C. area cabs and reading At 11:38 AM 8/5/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> Yeah, and maybe a comment to the local cabs about driving legally and with >> more care? > >..you're assuming they can read. ;-) Yeah, and in English too... That may be a mistake. I heard yesterday on the radio that 1/3 of the adult residents of D.C. are reading at or below a 3rd grade reading level. Unless most are immigrants who are still learning English, that's seriously sad. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 13:31:04 2004 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:31:01 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike Bartman Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:07:35 -0400 >At 12:41 PM 8/5/04 -0400, mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > >>When we finally got to court, we had to pick up the garbage... in the snow. > >Sounds like a case of blind justice. I bet nobody looked at the 8x10" >color glossy photographs with the circles and arrows and paragraph >descriptions on the back of each one, huh? ;-) > >>Whoops - wrong case. > >Yeah, but I wonder how many here caught the reference? ;-) I just want to know if any of the Loudoun 9 had to sit on the Group W bench. Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 14:40:53 2004 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:39:34 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 12:41 PM 8/5/04 -0400, mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > > >When we finally got to court, we had to pick up the garbage... in the snow. > > Sounds like a case of blind justice. I bet nobody looked at the 8x10" > color glossy photographs with the circles and arrows and paragraph > descriptions on the back of each one, huh? ;-) > > >Whoops - wrong case. > > Yeah, but I wonder how many here caught the reference? ;-) I would have, but I was on the Group W bench with the Father-rapers. :~) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 14:48:40 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:48:32 -0400 > I suspect your plea bargain may have resulted from the issuing officer not > being able to testify against you, and the purported complainant not > signing the ticket. The purported complaintant was sitting in the courtroom (behind the bar) in full cop drag with eagles on his collar. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 14:50:15 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:50:07 -0400 > I just want to know if any of the Loudoun 9 had to sit on the Group W bench. We WERE (and still are) the Group W bench. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 15:42:38 2004 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: The Loudoun 9 To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > > I still feel screwed, mind you. > > That's 'cause you were. to have to retain counsel to defend a citation that could not (based solely upon a quick review of va. procedural and evidenciary law) have resulted in a conviction, would really piss me off. motorcyclists truly are viewed by some (police, even) as the scum of society. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 16:35:28 2004 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:40:09 -0400 Subject: another "who's responsible?" question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" An acquaintance bought a new car less than a year ago. Yesterday he fried the engine: oil drain plug fell out 4 months after an oil change. Shop says "not me---it could have been sabotage/vandalism". Any thoughts on his options? Btw, he stupidly continued to drive it after the oil pressure light went on, while looking for a gas station. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 16:38:35 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:38:21 EDT Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/5/2004 1:31:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > >>Whoops - wrong case. > > > >Yeah, but I wonder how many here caught the reference? ;-) > > > I just want to know if any of the Loudoun 9 had to sit on the Group W bench. > Believe it or not there is a "Group W" bench where I work. And it is a reference. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 16:46:55 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:46:38 EDT Subject: Re: another "who's responsible?" question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/5/2004 4:35:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > Shop > says "not me---it could have been sabotage/vandalism". > Btw, he stupidly continued to drive it after the oil > pressure light went on, while looking for a gas station. Lets see. The light came on. It was not the shop. It was not vandals. HE DROVE THE CAR WITH THE OIL LIGHT ON!!! Darwin kills another cage. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 16:49:00 2004 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:02:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: another "who's responsible?" question On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, garcia oliver wrote: > An acquaintance bought a new car less than a year ago. Yesterday he fried > the engine: oil drain plug fell out 4 months after an oil change. Shop > says "not me---it could have been sabotage/vandalism". Any thoughts on > his options? Btw, he stupidly continued to drive it after the oil > pressure light went on, while looking for a gas station. After 4 months, I'd say it's not the shop's fault. On top of that, he could have avoided engine damage if he'd immediately turned off the engine. Along those same lines, one of the guys on the 'Busa message board was riding another guy's Turbo 'Busa. He was heading out for a race and the oil drain plug fell out. Oiled down the road and caused him to toss the bike into a ditch. Definately a good argument for safety wire. Luckily the rider wasn't hurt and the owner is rebuilding, so the rider can use the bike again for a race :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 17:27:32 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:27:19 -0400 Subject: Paging Larry Larry of Texas Hold 'Em fame, if you're on-list today could you drop me a line? Sorry about wide distro and non-moto content. Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 19:34:45 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: another "who's responsible?" question Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:33:31 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a2d9f3992a17d4b23057ceceb2f1ec67350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Garcia asked: > An acquaintance bought a new car less than a year ago. Yesterday he fried > the engine: oil drain plug fell out 4 months after an oil change. Shop > says "not me---it could have been sabotage/vandalism". Any thoughts on > his options? Btw, he stupidly continued to drive it after the oil > pressure light went on, while looking for a gas station. [Dave] While in no way excusing ignoring an idiot light, My Exploder and my former '90 Mustang Oil lights came on at precisely 1 qt low... This is a feature, not a bug. Hopefully, his hard learned lesson won't be amplified by your acquaintence having something not readily available and repairable... I think your acquaintence is responsible... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 20:50:46 2004 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:48:21 -0400 To: "garcia oliver" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: another "who's responsible?" question At 04:40 PM 8/5/04 -0400, garcia oliver wrote: >An acquaintance bought a new car less than a year ago. Yesterday he fried >the engine: oil drain plug fell out 4 months after an oil change. Shop >says "not me---it could have been sabotage/vandalism". Any thoughts on >his options? Engine rebuild? Crate motor? New car? Depends on the car, his bank account and his desires. I wouldn't hold out any hope of blaming the service folks given that it was 4 months later. A lot can happen in 4 months...including sabotage/vandalism. Sure, they may not have torqued the thing to spec (highly unlikely that they did...I'm sure they did it based on long experience with how tight is tight enough), but proving that, and that that's what led to the failure, would be pretty tricky I think. If it was slowly backing out from vibration I'd have expected him to see a few puddles in the days leading up to the total loss...was there any hint like that? >Btw, he stupidly continued to drive it after the oil >pressure light went on, while looking for a gas station. You can make it a fair distance, with care (and frequent stops), after your engine temp goes high from something like low coolant levels, slipping water pump belt or a failing water pump, but low oil pressure and you won't make it far at all. Had a friend who had a part time business with his dad hauling dirt in an old dump truck they bought. Had a hunk of rebar that was sticking out of the ground at a construction site take out a bit of the oil pan. Took the oil a little while to leak out completely through the hole, but once it did, it was only a couple of miles before the engine seized up solid. Luckily he was almost home, moving along at a fair clip, and got the clutch in in time so that he could coast it into the front yard. I got to watch them rebuild the engine from a new short block in the driveway (just for fun they tried to drive the pistons out of the old block...no way. They were in there to stay.). Only took the weekend. And that short block. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 21:17:14 2004 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:16:10 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another "who's responsible?" question On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] While in no way excusing ignoring an idiot light, My Exploder and my > former '90 Mustang Oil lights came on at precisely 1 qt low... > This is a feature, not a bug. > I think the oil low warning only works on Ferds when the engine is off. Or at least that's the way it was on my Rustang. When the engine is running, it was just an oil pressure light like every other vehicle. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 5 23:59:41 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:04:21 -0400 Subject: fs: Honda Ascot (VT500) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Honda Ascot (VT500), 1984, 23k miles. Narrow V-twin, water-cooled. Very good in the city and not bad on highway. "Standard" style. Good condition: starts and runs reliably, everything works, but the bike is 20 years old so there are nicks and dings. Comes with small windscreen and rack/carrier. $1250. Score: 9 ~ Performance: 8.2 Reliability: 9.2 Design: 9.2 Price/Quality: 9.4 ~ # votes: 5 Last vote on 012003 @ 5:39:06 AM GENERAL Model Honda vt 500 ft ascot 1984 Category Naked bike ENGINE Type 490 cc, liquid cooled, v-twin, 4-stroke Bore x stroke (mm) 71 mm x 62 mm Valves 3 valves/cylinder Power 48 hp (35.8 kW) @ 9000 rpm Torque 45 Nm (33.2 ft. lbs) @ 7000 rpm TRANSMISSION Gearbox 6 speed Final drive Shaft WHEELS Front tyre 3.50-16 Rear tyre 130/90-16 Front brakes single / mm disc with 2-piston calipers DIMENSIONS Fuel capacity - reserve 9.5 l (2.5 gallon US) http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Honda/1984/vt%20500%20ft%20ascot/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 10:03:50 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX, SV650-L@XXXXXX Subject: Slip-on stolen Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:52:32 -0400 My 2 week old Yosh slip-on was stolen last night from my '02 SV650S in Arlington, VA. Is this common? Anything you can do to protect a slip-on while parked on the street? I have a hard time believing the krypto lock on the rear and chain on the front tire saved the rest of the bike. My gf heard a bike stalling at 3:30 this morning, we had the windows opening. Last Sat I was starting it up when a van w/ a company logo w/ MD plates drove by, the guy did a u-turn to come back and ask what size it was. Given he was a large man I figured he was scoffing at the 650cc. I was also very scared that his ears were sparked by the exhaust, since he had a van. A 600RR that was stolen out of Alexandria, VA recenlty turned up in MD, I think Oxen Hill or close to. I probably wouldn't have noticed if they had dropped the cover. I looked at the bike, saw the cover was up, didn't like that. Saw the krypto lock and was thinking maybe it did it's job. Somehow didn't even notice my new toy was missing til I got right up to the bike and saw an empty exhaust pipe starring back at me. The rivet was on the ground. Bastards took the bolt that holds it to the passenger peg, like they won't already have one of them. So I at least need to get that and a sleeve if I want to go back to the stock exhaust. Do I go back to stock? Would a full system be too much of a pain to steal on the street? If I do another slip-on am I just putting it out there for them again? I got it for $270, I don't think it's worth bothering the insurance company. I will file a police report, but I have no way of verifying it's mine. Can I get the money back from my credit card, Discover? Do cruisers have theft problems? _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 10:27:59 2004 Subject: RE: Slip-on stolen Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:27:54 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: All of my bikes have had a slip-on and I've never had or heard of theft being a problem... Usually it's all or nothing. I have had friends who've had accessories stolen... Saddlebags, tank bras, footpegs, etc. Glad you brought it up though, cause I never would have considered that someone would steal a pipe. I'm getting a Yosh Titanium on this week... I'll definitely be engraving the underside of the midpipe or something after hearing your tale. I feel for you dude... Speaking from having cars broken into before, it kind of feels rape. --smthng -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:53 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX; SV650-L@XXXXXX Subject: Slip-on stolen My 2 week old Yosh slip-on was stolen last night from my '02 SV650S in Arlington, VA. Is this common? Anything you can do to protect a slip-on while parked on the street? I have a hard time believing the krypto lock on the rear and chain on the front tire saved the rest of the bike. My gf heard a bike stalling at 3:30 this morning, we had the windows opening. Last Sat I was starting it up when a van w/ a company logo w/ MD plates drove by, the guy did a u-turn to come back and ask what size it was. Given he was a large man I figured he was scoffing at the 650cc. I was also very scared that his ears were sparked by the exhaust, since he had a van. A 600RR that was stolen out of Alexandria, VA recenlty turned up in MD, I think Oxen Hill or close to. I probably wouldn't have noticed if they had dropped the cover. I looked at the bike, saw the cover was up, didn't like that. Saw the krypto lock and was thinking maybe it did it's job. Somehow didn't even notice my new toy was missing til I got right up to the bike and saw an empty exhaust pipe starring back at me. The rivet was on the ground. Bastards took the bolt that holds it to the passenger peg, like they won't already have one of them. So I at least need to get that and a sleeve if I want to go back to the stock exhaust. Do I go back to stock? Would a full system be too much of a pain to steal on the street? If I do another slip-on am I just putting it out there for them again? I got it for $270, I don't think it's worth bothering the insurance company. I will file a police report, but I have no way of verifying it's mine. Can I get the money back from my credit card, Discover? Do cruisers have theft problems? _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 11:39:43 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:38:55 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen At 09:52 AM 8/6/04 -0400, rich hall wrote: >Do I go back to stock? That would be cheapest, but it's your call. >Would a full system be too much of a pain to steal on the street? Apparently not, but why would they bother while there are more expensive after-market items available? >If I do another slip-on am I just putting it out there for them again? Could be. Can you store the bike somewhere more secure? A shed maybe? Put an alarm on your cover so that you get notified if it gets removed? >I got it for $270, I don't think it's worth bothering the insurance company. Not unless you have a really low deductable. >I will file a police report, but I have no way of verifying it's mine. They won't look for it anyway. It will get added to the statistics for crime in your area though. Those may get used for deciding where to allocate police patrols, and may also get factored into your future insurance rates (though I think they work more with claim rates than crime rates). >Can I get the money back from my credit card, Discover? Why would you? Do they provide theft coverage? I think American Express might do that, but I don't know about Discover. If they do, it's worth a call if you bought with the card. >Do cruisers have theft problems? Yep. Anything worth money is a theft target. How likely it is to get stolen depends on whether the thieves find it and how hard/risky it is to steal. Easy to steal things in areas with lots of thieves are very likely to get taken. Thief density varies, but every area has at least some. Risk to the thief varies a lot too...D.C. is low risk, while Virginia is a bit higher, due to the presence of respect for the Constitution's 2nd Amendment in VA. MD is in between. Most Harleys have security alarms these days. Won't prevent theft, even of bolt-on stuff, but it makes it slightly trickier...shake the bike too much while thieving and the alarm goes off. Some even include pagers, so the owner can respond quickly. In VA or MD the owner may even be armed with effective deterrents...hence the lower crime rates. In MD this is likely only if the bike is parked at home. In VA this could be the case anywhere. Compare Richmond, D.C. and Baltimore sometime. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 11:40:27 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:40:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Kathleen E. Miller" Subject: RE: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? http://www.legacy.com/washingtonpost/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=2489371 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 12:26:19 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:26:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX, SV650-L@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen -----Original Message----- From: rich hall Would a full system be too much of a pain to steal on the street? If I do another slip-on am I just putting it out there for them again? ---- That stinks. I have a feeling your parking location was "cased" and they came after exactly what they were looking for. Nice shiny new can, easy to turn around for a few bucks and virtually untraceable, as you point out. I have a "feeling" that's what happened to my stolen KLR as well. It was on someone's shopping list. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 12:31:42 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sorry to hear about this man. That sucks. I just want to point out one of the things that I was told back in the 70's when my helmet was stolen. When you get a great deal from the 'friend' on a helmet or bike mod, realize that it might be stolen goods. If someone is willing to wink and buy it at a steep discount, realize it might be you next time. I'm not saying anyone here does it, but if a friend of yours comments on the great deal he got on Yosh Slip-ons, think about Rich or any of the others here who have lost bikes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2486196858&category=35596&sspagename=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485966760&category=35580&sspagename=WDVW Carl --- rich hall wrote: > My 2 week old Yosh slip-on was stolen last night from my '02 SV650S in > Arlington, VA. > Is this common? > Anything you can do to protect a slip-on while parked on the street? I > have > a hard time believing the krypto lock on the rear and chain on the front > > tire saved the rest of the bike. > My gf heard a bike stalling at 3:30 this morning, we had the windows > opening. > Last Sat I was starting it up when a van w/ a company logo w/ MD plates > drove by, the guy did a u-turn to come back and ask what size it was. > Given > he was a large man I figured he was scoffing at the 650cc. I was also > very > scared that his ears were sparked by the exhaust, since he had a van. A > > 600RR that was stolen out of Alexandria, VA recenlty turned up in MD, I > think Oxen Hill or close to. > I probably wouldn't have noticed if they had dropped the cover. I > looked at > the bike, saw the cover was up, didn't like that. Saw the krypto lock > and > was thinking maybe it did it's job. Somehow didn't even notice my new > toy > was missing til I got right up to the bike and saw an empty exhaust pipe > > starring back at me. The rivet was on the ground. Bastards took the > bolt > that holds it to the passenger peg, like they won't already have one of > them. So I at least need to get that and a sleeve if I want to go back > to > the stock exhaust. > Do I go back to stock? > Would a full system be too much of a pain to steal on the street? > If I do another slip-on am I just putting it out there for them again? > I got it for $270, I don't think it's worth bothering the insurance > company. > I will file a police report, but I have no way of verifying it's mine. > Can I get the money back from my credit card, Discover? > Do cruisers have theft problems? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools > and > more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 02 Suzuki GSX1300RX (Hayabusa) 95 Suzuki GSX-R750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 12:45:54 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:45:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: adamme1@XXXXXX, Louis Caplan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Louis, my take is slightly different, although I agree with Aki that the tone might have been a little over the top. She has going to/from work at the time, so I think this falls within the purview of a workplace "safety briefing." It might also encourage your cage-driving colleagues to have a higher awareness of bikes. It might also emphasize that bike riders are just ordinary people, going to and from work, just like everyone else. Skiing, horseback riding, skydiving, etc. are not part of the workday routine. I guess my response is to not to be overly sensitive and see anti-bike bias lurking behind every bush. To take a trivial example, if someone slipped and fell on the ice in the parking lot, you'd probably get an "it's icy out there, folks" safety admonition too. Now if they said, "bikes are too dangerous, one of you died riding one, therefore we're prohibiting you from riding to work" that's another story. -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX > I really wish they didn't empathize the "Please . please, take the time to stress to > anyone in your staff who may be a motorcycle rider that they need to > practice safety when riding their bikes. " As I pointed out to a co-worker, if someone died in a skiing accident, or even just driving, would they tell all employees that if they ski or drive, they should practice safety while doing so? > > I read through some of the forums about Katie, and it seems I missed knowing a wonderful person. My sympathies to her daughter and family. > > Louis > > - - - - - - - - ... I agree that the "please please" may be over the top but I think the intent wasn't to differentiate motorcycle riders from cage drivers or anyone else but a genuine concern for the well being of the staff. I think everyone knows that riding a bike in this traffic is inherently more dangerous than riding in a cage. I just think, in this instance, it came out the wrong way. ... -aki Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 13:06:58 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Moving! X-Virus-Checked: Checked My wife got a PCS (Permanent Change of Station) to Yorkshire. We'll be leaving at the end of September. English country roads, here I come... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 13:16:28 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:16:17 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Moving! To: DC-Cycles Fish admitted: >My wife got a PCS (Permanent Change of Station) to >Yorkshire. We'll be leaving at the end of September. > >English country roads, here I come... [Dave] My condolences. At least they have good brew & good pubs from what I've heard... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 13:19:34 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:19:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Moving! X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > My condolences. At least they have good brew & good pubs from what I've > heard... Both. And lots of nice twisty hilly roads on the moors. I'm actually very much looking forward to it. Fish. i even like the rain From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 13:41:34 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SV650-L@XXXXXX, SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Subject: alarms Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:41:26 -0400 Anyone have a favorite motorcycle alarm? _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 13:49:22 2004 From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:49:10 -0400 On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Paul Wilson wrote: > Now if they said, > "bikes are too dangerous, one of you died riding one, therefore we're > prohibiting you from riding to work" that's another story. Unfortunately, that's pretty much how the USAF sees it. Motorcycling is lumped together with skydiving, downhill skiing, bicycle racing, jet skiing, rock climbing, etc as a "high risk" activity and as such I (even as a civilian) have been required to register as a risk taker with my commander. I got a special safety briefing where I had to acknowlege that I'm as good as dead if I keep up this deviant behavior. :-( --Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 13:54:56 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:54:51 -0400 From: Robert To: Fish Flowers Subject: Re: Moving! Cc: DC-Cycles Fish: Congratulations to the both of you! And not too far at all for a jaunt over to the Isle of Man for the TT. On an off-topic note; there sure are a lot of monster movies that use the Yorkshire moors as a place setting... ;-) Must be all that rain. Robert On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:19:27 -0700 (PDT), Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > > > My condolences. At least they have good brew & good pubs from what I've > > heard... > > Both. And lots of nice twisty hilly roads on the moors. I'm actually very > much looking forward to it. > > Fish. > i even like the rain > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 13:54:57 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: wreck 395 and wash blvd? Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:54:28 -0400 Interesting, did anyone else catch 2 Wheel Tuesday on SpeedTV? This week the host Greg White was invited onboard an F-16 by an Air National Guard pilot where he had a fantastic time (and lost his lunch). Afterwards Greg sat down with 3 other pilots and flight instructors to discuss their various bikes, favorite rides and the links between flying and riding. The footage, both on bike and in the air was pretty intense. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Jim Shoemaker [mailto:shoe@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:49 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Paul Wilson wrote: > Now if they said, > "bikes are too dangerous, one of you died riding one, therefore we're > prohibiting you from riding to work" that's another story. Unfortunately, that's pretty much how the USAF sees it. Motorcycling is lumped together with skydiving, downhill skiing, bicycle racing, jet skiing, rock climbing, etc as a "high risk" activity and as such I (even as a civilian) have been required to register as a risk taker with my commander. I got a special safety briefing where I had to acknowlege that I'm as good as dead if I keep up this deviant behavior. :-( --Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 13:57:20 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:57:19 -0400 To: Jim Shoemaker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? At 01:49 PM 8/6/04 -0400, Jim Shoemaker wrote: >Unfortunately, that's pretty much how the USAF sees it. Motorcycling is >lumped together with skydiving, downhill skiing, bicycle racing, jet skiing, >rock climbing, etc as a "high risk" activity and as such I (even as a >civilian) have been required to register as a risk taker with my commander. What?!?! How did they manage to leave out "eating at McDonalds" and "flying supersonic fighters in combat" from their list??? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:00:17 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:58:54 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Moving! Fish Flowers wrote: > i even like the rain good. you'll see plenty of it. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:01:25 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:00:04 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: alarms the sound of a 12ga pump having a round shucked into the chamber works wonders. rich hall wrote: > > Anyone have a favorite motorcycle alarm? > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:02:00 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:01:57 -0400 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: Jim Shoemaker Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M/C Riding while in the USAF X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server I think you should return to the USAF a brief with statistics that show that in terms of person miles travelled (on the ground), you're safer (from a mortality rate perspective) as a civilian riding a motorcycle than you are as a member of the USAF. As such, they should require all persons attempting to enlist in the USAF to sign a waiver indicating that they acknowledge that by joining the USAF they are as good as dead! Not that I have such statistics, but I imagine they're accurate ... I think "they" refer to such behaviour as a "CLM" [Career Limiting Move]. The powers-that-be are never in favour of being corrected. :-) Then again, given the current state of affairs, that might not be such a bad idea ... Stephen Quoting Jim Shoemaker : > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:45:47 -0700 (PDT) > Unfortunately, that's pretty much how the USAF sees it. Motorcycling is > lumped together with skydiving, downhill skiing, bicycle racing, jet > skiing, > rock climbing, etc as a "high risk" activity and as such I (even as a > civilian) have been required to register as a risk taker with my commander. > I got a special safety briefing where I had to acknowlege that I'm as good > as dead if I keep up this deviant behavior. :-( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:04:29 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:03:06 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wreck 395 and wash blvd? bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Unfortunately, that's pretty much how the USAF sees it. Motorcycling is > lumped together with skydiving, downhill skiing, bicycle racing, jet skiing, > rock climbing, etc as a "high risk" activity and as such I (even as a > civilian) have been required to register as a risk taker with my commander. > I got a special safety briefing where I had to acknowlege that I'm as good > as dead if I keep up this deviant behavior. :-( I know of a guy who was prohibited from skydiving by his commander because as it was put to him, "We own you for the next 4 years" --skip, riding to the dropzone to maximize daily risk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:06:43 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Moving! To: Robert , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Condolences? Congratulations more like it. You are going to a country with may more motorcycle per capita and you ability to travel to Europe in a matter of hours. COOL --- Robert wrote: > Fish: > > Congratulations to the both of you! And not too far > at all for a > jaunt over to the Isle of Man for the TT. > > On an off-topic note; there sure are a lot of > monster movies that use > the Yorkshire moors as a place setting... ;-) Must > be all that rain. > > Robert > > > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:19:27 -0700 (PDT), Fish > Flowers > wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > > > > > My condolences. At least they have good brew & > good pubs from what I've > > > heard... > > > > Both. And lots of nice twisty hilly roads on the > moors. I'm actually very > > much looking forward to it. > > > > Fish. > > i even like the rain > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:07:36 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Skip'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: alarms Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:07:13 -0400 A laser dot on ones chest works too! -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:00 PM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: alarms the sound of a 12ga pump having a round shucked into the chamber works wonders. rich hall wrote: > > Anyone have a favorite motorcycle alarm? > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:12:23 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:12:07 EDT Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/6/2004 10:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > Anything you can do to protect a slip-on while parked on the street? An alarm with a pager that you can keep near you at night etc. should offer some protection for stuff on the bike. While I am not a big fan of alarms I did just install one because my bike kept being "fiddled" with at work. So far so good. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:21:42 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:21:32 -0400 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen Although nothing is going to deter a truly determined thief, replacing slip-on mounting bolts with something from the "security bolt" line would at least add a little time to the operation. Sawing completely through an exhaust pipe, bolts, and/or hanger bracket in order to remove a slip-on might tip the risk/reward balance the other way, and send the casual shopper off to peruse more accessible goods. Robert On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:12:07 EDT, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/6/2004 10:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > > > Anything you can do to protect a slip-on while parked on the street? > > An alarm with a pager that you can keep near you at night etc. should offer > some protection for stuff on the bike. > While I am not a big fan of alarms I did just install one because my bike > kept being "fiddled" with at work. So far so good. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:22:40 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Slip-on stolen Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:22:26 -0400 > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: 2004/08/06 Fri PM 02:12:07 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen > > In a message dated 8/6/2004 10:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > > > Anything you can do to protect a slip-on while parked on the street? > > An alarm with a pager that you can keep near you at night etc. should offer > some protection for stuff on the bike. > While I am not a big fan of alarms I did just install one because my bike > kept being "fiddled" with at work. So far so good. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX I wonder if you etched the backside of the pipes with your phone number or ssn or some identifying mark then put a sticker somewhere visible that the bike has been etched for security if that would help? ..and John, what kind of "fiddling" was someone doing to your bike at work? And did you eventually catch them? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:28:35 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Slip-on stolen Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:28:25 -0400 I was thinking of taking the Yosh label off, just to not advertise as much what it was. They etch the tail of the pipe and it's obviously not stock sounding. Damn nice deep VTwin rumble... >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Re: Slip-on stolen >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:22:26 -0400 > > > > In a message dated 8/6/2004 10:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Anything you can do to protect a slip-on while parked on the street? > > >I wonder if you etched the backside of the pipes with your phone number or >ssn or some identifying mark then put a sticker somewhere visible that the >bike has been etched for security if that would help? > >-aki _________________________________________________________________ Don)Bt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:31:08 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:30:53 -0400 that's a good idea.. You could always mod the stock pipe if you just want more noise... YOu could polish the stock pipe to a chrome like finish, if you're buying the slip on for the looks.. save some money.. .and be less desirable for theives On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:21:32 -0400, Robert wrote: >Although nothing is going to deter a truly determined thief, replacing >slip-on mounting bolts with something from the "security bolt" line >would at least add a little time to the operation. > >Sawing completely through an exhaust pipe, bolts, and/or hanger >bracket in order to remove a slip-on might tip the risk/reward balance >the other way, and send the casual shopper off to peruse more >accessible goods. > >Robert > > >On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:12:07 EDT, penguinbiker@XXXXXX > wrote: >> In a message dated 8/6/2004 10:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> richallmc@XXXXXX writes: >> >> > Anything you can do to protect a slip-on while parked on the street? >> >> An alarm with a pager that you can keep near you at night etc. should offer >> some protection for stuff on the bike. >> While I am not a big fan of alarms I did just install one because my bike >> kept being "fiddled" with at work. So far so good. >> >> John. >> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:32:09 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:36:51 -0400 Subject: fs: Suzuki GS1100E 1983, 35k mi To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Suzuki, GS1100E 1983, 35k mi. Big, powerful, comfortable, reliable. 'Standard' style. Recent valve adjustment and carb synch, tires almost new, K&N filters, stage-3 jet kit, fork brace, anti-dive forks, Lockhart oil cooler. Seat has some tape and side covers missing. Comes with (not shown) sports fairing; also tank bag. Does not include carrier/backrest shown in photo. $2200. Pix on craigslist ad. DC, near Zoo. Score: 9.2 ~ Performance: 9.6 Reliability: 9.1 Design: 8.6 Price/Quality: 9.6 ~ # votes: 9 Last vote on 102003 @ 6:07:06 PM GENERAL Model Suzuki GSX 1100 E 1983 Category Naked bike ENGINE Type 1075 cc, air cooled, 4 - cylinders in line, 4-stroke Bore x stroke (mm) 72 mm x 66 mm Valves 4 valves/cylinder Power 100 hp (74.6 kW) @ 8700 rpm TRANSMISSION Gearbox 5 speed Final drive Chain WHEELS Front tyre 3,00-21 Rear tyre 4,50-17 Front brakes dual 275 mm discs with 2-piston calipers Rear brakes single 275 mm disc with 1-piston calipers DIMENSIONS Seat height 785 mm (30.9 inches) Wheelbase 1550 mm (61 inches) Fuel capacity - reserve 20 l (5.3 gallon US) Dry weight 256 kg (564.4 pounds) Source: http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Suzuki/1983/GSX%201100%20E/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:36:55 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:41:38 -0400 Subject: fs: 1992 Honda Nighthawk 750, 7k mi. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Honda CB750 Nighthawk, 1992, 7k miles. )BStandard style. Low miles, good running condition, but minor (while parked) crash damage: dented tank and cracked front plastic fender (patched---I)Bll replace it when I find a used one). $2200. pix on craigslist ad. NW DC near the Zoo. Score: 9.5 ~ Performance: 9.3 Reliability: 9.6 Design: 9 Price/Quality: 10 ~ # votes: 7 Last vote on 102003 @ 10:22:33 AM GENERAL Model Honda CB 750 Nighthawk 1992 Category Naked bike ENGINE Type 747 cc, liquid cooled, 4 - cylinders in line, 4-stroke Bore x stroke (mm) 67 mm x 53 mm Valves 4 valves/cylinder Power 75 hp (55.9 kW) @ 8500 rpm Torque 64 Nm (47.2 ft. lbs) @ 7500 rpm TRANSMISSION Gearbox 5 speed Final drive Chain WHEELS Front tyre 110/80-18 Rear tyre 140/70-17 Front brakes single 296 mm disc with 2-piston calipers Rear brakes 180 mm drum DIMENSIONS Seat height 785 mm (30.9 inches) Wheelbase 1506 mm (59.3 inches) Fuel capacity )B reserve 18 l (4.8 gallon US) Dry weight 215 kg (474 pounds) Source: http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Honda/1992/CB%20750%20Nighthawk/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:37:28 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:37:12 EDT Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/6/2004 2:22:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > I wonder if you etched the backside of the pipes with your phone number or > ssn That way they can steal your identity also. Your name should suffice. (My tools all have my name engraved on them. I used to engrave my SS# on expensive stuff until giving your SS# to a thief became a bad idea.) I have engraved internal bike parts in the past because I once managed to prove ownership of a stolen part because of marks I had made on it while working on the bike. I never got the bike back, the whole bike was stolen, but at least the thief was caught (more or less, do not get me started on that one.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 14:37:34 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Moving! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:37:26 -0400 > My wife got a PCS (Permanent Change of Station) to Yorkshire. We'll be > leaving at the end of September. About 120 miles (line of sight) to the Isle of Man from central Yorkshire. You should be thawed out by June ;-) Enjoy the B Roads Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 15:41:24 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:40:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: alarms To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mine's named Zeus. --- rich hall wrote: > Anyone have a favorite motorcycle alarm? > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 16:05:26 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:03:09 -0400 To: Robert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen At 02:21 PM 8/6/04 -0400, Robert wrote: >Although nothing is going to deter a truly determined thief, replacing >slip-on mounting bolts with something from the "security bolt" line >would at least add a little time to the operation. Even a little red Loctite might be enough...unless the exhaust heat can get to it too often and weaken it? Or will it just set up as it cools each time? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 16:07:43 2004 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:07:22 -0400 To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: alarms Is he the answer to the question, "What has 4 legs and one arm?" ;-) -- Mike B. At 12:40 PM 8/6/04 -0700, Hugh Caldwell wrote: >Mine's named Zeus. > >--- rich hall wrote: > >> Anyone have a favorite motorcycle alarm? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 17:19:26 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:19:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen The first one is prolly legit. He has a box for it. On the second one, I don't know about the goods being offered, but the $30 fixed shipping charge is practically highway robbery. I dislike eBayers who make gouge buyers on marked-up shipping and bogus "handling" charges. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin .... I'm not saying anyone here does it, but if a friend of yours comments on the great deal he got on Yosh Slip-ons, think about Rich or any of the others here who have lost bikes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2486196858&category=35596&sspagename=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485966760&category=35580&sspagename=WDVW Carl ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 19:34:05 2004 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Slip-on stolen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just snagged these and in no way was accusing either of these folks of theft. Just that it's easy to snag a part or part off a bike and e-bay it out. Local pawn shops, craigs-list, or any other "reseller" you can think of could also have hot goods. I'm also not saying that you should only buy new. Just think of the folks who've lost stuff when we're looking at e-bay at the hot 1 week old Yosh can with just a couple of marks on it where he dropped it in to the trunk of his car and it hit the spare (or one of the 15 car radios :-) Carl --- Paul Wilson wrote: > The first one is prolly legit. He has a box for it. On the second one, > I don't know about the goods being offered, but the $30 fixed shipping > charge is practically highway robbery. I dislike eBayers who make gouge > buyers on marked-up shipping and bogus "handling" charges. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin > .... > > I'm not saying anyone here does it, but if a friend of yours comments on > the great deal he got on Yosh Slip-ons, think about Rich or any of the > others here who have lost bikes. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2486196858&category=35596&sspagename=WDVW > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485966760&category=35580&sspagename=WDVW > > Carl > > ..... > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 02 Suzuki GSX1300RX (Hayabusa) 95 Suzuki GSX-R750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 6 20:16:20 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: criminals Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:15:52 -0400 I don' think etching your name on the part will keep it from being stolen, as they probably steal at night , might not see it, or will scratch it back out or something.. it might keep them from pawning it. tha'ts about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 7 09:06:06 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'Daniel '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: criminals Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:10:22 -0400 In Europe and elsewhere they etch the VIN number on everything as a theft deterrent. Seems to work to some degree, as it's probably pretty easy to spot, and therefore, hard to sell stolen bits, ground off spots or not. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 8/6/2004 8:15 PM Subject: criminals I don' think etching your name on the part will keep it from being stolen, as they probably steal at night , might not see it, or will scratch it back out or something.. it might keep them from pawning it. tha'ts about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 8 06:54:25 2004 From: Daniel To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: criminals Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 06:53:48 -0400 I think our criminals are far more stupider than euoropes criminals. they would probably steal it, then throw it away or something. best solution is to make sure the bike isn't accessable period From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 8 12:30:58 2004 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:31:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: criminals > I think our criminals are far more stupider than euoropes criminals. Anyone (besides me) laughing at this comment? - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 8 14:33:42 2004 Reply-To: From: "stephen" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Maryland Inspection Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:30:08 -0400 Hi: Jen and I just bought the VT500 Ascot from Garcia and now we need to get it inspected. Does anyone have any recommendations for places in either the Downtown Silver Spring area (Colesville & Georgia) or Bethesda? Thanks, Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 8 19:02:04 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: RE: criminals Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:02:01 -0400 I did for a moment. Personally, I think that our posters are far more stupider than euoropes criminals. Can't really comment on the amoericans criminals. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: criminals > I think our criminals are far more stupider than euoropes criminals. Anyone (besides me) laughing at this comment? - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 8 22:01:49 2004 From: "Shane" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 08/08/04 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:01:14 -0400 I know it is way bit off topic but here goes Hello, My name is Shane Ross. I have recently come into a collection of 70-80's jaguars, it is a long story. Here is a list of the ones that I know so far: 69 XKE 6 cyl conv ( in pieces but complete) 70 XKE 6 cyl conv on road 56 saloon and a few random 70's and 80's XJ 4 door sedans (awaiting full list) also a 1984 Porsche 928 and a 65 Lincoln 4 dr hard top all cars are located in Northern VA I was wondering if you may know some people who may be interested? If I cannot sell them locally I will put them on e bay. If you do feel free to pass along my e-mail address and my phone number 703-627-5535 Hoping to fill others garages and empty mine! Thanks a bunch! Shane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 07:55:41 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Caught in the Cookie jar Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:55:16 -0400 There she was in Georgetown at 8a Saturday morning - the young lady stopped, waiting for the light, cell phone at her ear. My vigilante juices just starting to flow for the day, I gave a toot. Her eyes bugged, she sat up straight and jerked the phone down quicker than a hand exiting a cookie jar. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > DC Police owe you one. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 08:29:51 2004 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:29:39 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: Motorcycle accident study There's a new(ish) study out from our friends across the pond. (snipped from http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48923 ) =========== European Safety Study Finds Familiar Causes for Motorcycle Accidents European's most thorough study of motorcycle accidents to date points to the usual culprits in crashes but also has a few surprise. For example, speed may not be all that dangerous. The other driver and his failure to perceive the motorcyclist is still a common cause of motorcycle accidents. European safety researchers have published what is being termed "the most comprehensive in-depth data currently available for Powered Two Wheelers (PTWs) accidents in Europe." Based on investigations of 921 motorcycle accidents (with 103 fatalities) in France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain, Motorcycle Accidents In Depth Study (MAIDS), provides the sort of comprehensive results rarely seen in motorcycle safety research. Funded by the Association of European Motorcycle Manufacturers (ACEM) with support from the European Commission and other partners, the study employed the widely recognized Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) methodology for on-scene in-depth motorcycle accident investigations. Employing the OECD methodology not only maintained a consistency between the groups conducting the accident investigations for MAIDS but also allows the data to be compared directly with that of other researchers who use the same system. The study also collected exposure data, i.e., information about riders who did not crash, which permits researchers to explore how operators or vehicles that crash are different than the control group that does not crash. The MAIDS authors explain it thus: "This exposure information on non-accident involved PTW riders was essential for establishing the significance of the data collected from the accident cases and the identification of potential risk factors in PTW accidents. For example, if 20% of non-accident involved PTWs in the sampling area were red, it would be significant if 60% of those PTWs involved in an accident were reported to be red, suggesting that there is an increased risk of riding a red PTW. On the other hand, if none of the PTWs in the accident sample were red, it would be an interesting finding, needing further study." Although there are differences in the highway systems, culture, vehicles, and other factors between the European countries where the study was conducted and the United States or other places, we still believe that many of the findings are useful and probably relevant to American riders. Here are some of the findings that might concern all riders and those with an interest in motorcycle safety anywhere. The Other Guy is still deadly: The object motorcyclists most often collided with were passenger cars. In half of the collision accidents, the driver of the other vehicle was judged to have made the primary error that caused the crash, and he failed to "perceive" the motorcyclist in 70 percent of the two--vehicle collisions. In 37 percent of the the accidents with a partner, it was the motorcyclist who created the problem. As other research has concluded, drivers with motorcycling experience are more likely to see and avoid motorcyclists. But you don't always need his help: The second most common point of impact was the roadway itself. Yes, some of these non-collision accidents happened as the rider attempted to avoid hitting a car, but plenty of riders managed to crash all by themselves. In rural areas over half the accidents happened without the help of another vehicle. This still leaves plenty of opportunity for serious injuries from curbs and roadside "furniture," especially those barriers intended to corral out-of-control cars. The authors note that collisions with such barriers often results in "serious lower extremity and spinal injuries as well as serious head injuries." Rider inattention was cited in 10.6 percent of the crashes. It's not the speed. It's the sudden stop: "There were relatively few cases in which excess speed was an issue related to accident causation," The MAIDS authors note. However, the authors point that a speed differential)B—going either faster or slower than nearby traffic)B—was a contributing factor in 18 percent of the crashes. They also point out that the typical accident speed was fairly low. In 70 percent of the crashes, the rider hit the car or other object at under 30 mph. Of course, the severity of injuries went up with crash speed. Don't leave the protective gear at home)B—or wear it casually: Since this was Europe, 90 percent of the crashers were wearing helmets, and they did a good job)B—when they stayed on. However, 9 percent of the helmeted riders lost their helmets during the crash, either because they didn't fit properly, weren't fastened properly, or were damaged during the crash. Other protective gear also did a good job of attenuating the most common injuries)B—to arms and legs, though such gear didn't prevent all injuries. Because your skills aren't going to save you: The study concludes that "73.1% of all PTW riders attempted some form of collision avoidance immediately prior to impact. Of these, 32% experienced some type of loss of control during the manoeuvre." Fewer drinkers crashed more: Only 5 percent of the crashers had been drinking, which is much lower that in other studies, but the exposure data revealed that drinkers were still over-represented among the crashers. Crashing motorcyclists were more likely to have been drinking than the drivers they collided with. Youth and enthusiasm: Riders between 18 and 25 years of age crashed more than their fair share, while riders aged 41 to 55 crashed less frequently than the exposure data said they should. In America, riders over 40 have been showing up as a larger percentage of the crash victims, and since there is no exposure data, there has been concern that they are over-represented. The MAIDS study suggests that issue is not their age. Hidden threats: Both riders and drivers "failed to account for visual obstructions" in as many as a third of the accident. A parked truck, roadside bushes or glare can hide something and we need to allow for the possibility that it might be there. Riders wearing dark clothing were more likely to crash than others. Other studies have shownm that bright clothing helped riders to avoid collisions. Right there in front of you: The study found that 90 percent of all threats were in front of the riders who crashed as a result of them. It's not what you ride: The only type of bike that was over-represented in the MAIDS data was "modified conventional street motorcycles." Engine size also didn't show up as a risk factor. There were not enough bikes equipped with anti-lock brakes to draw any conclusion about their effectiveness. Check those tires: Tire failure was the only technical failure that made a real blip in the MAIDS data, at 3.6%. Brake problems were cited in 1.2% of the accidents. Beware the crossroads: Over half the accidents happened in intersections. Weather or not: Weather was deemed to be a factor in 7.5% of the accidents. Mean streets: "Roadway design defects" caused or contributed to the crashes 3% of the time. The license matters: Riders with no licenses or improper licenses crashed more than riders who were properly licensed for what they were riding. This reiterates the conclusions of other studies. Trained for this? Riders who took some sort of rider training were more likely to try some sort of avoidance maneuver, such as braking or swerving. Untrained riders were more likely to sit there and crash without doing anything to prevent it. Riding experience also worked in the rider's favor, both total and on the bike being ridden. Inexperienced riders are also more likely to do something that causes the accident. As other studies have found, you are in more danger on a bike that is new to you (bad news for motorcycle testers). The full 173-page report can be downloaded as a PDF file from the site of the ACEM, (Association des Constructeurs Europeens de Motocycles, a European motorcycle industry organization). You must go through a free registration and confirmation process for access to it. Find this article at: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 08:43:26 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M/C Riding while in the USAF Content-ID: <25911.1092055404.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:43:24 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Not that I have such statistics, but I imagine they're accurate ... If only all statistics-quoters were as honest. :) Not that this means anything, but I recall reading in some motorcycling mag years back (late 80's probably), that the leading cause of death among members of the US military (at the time) was motorcycle accidents. I don't have those statistics either, I just remember reading them from thin, shiny paper... -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 09:00:17 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: M/C Riding while in the USAF Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 9:00:09 -0400 > Not that this means anything, but I recall reading in some > motorcycling mag years back (late 80's probably), that the > leading cause of death among members of the US military (at the > time) was motorcycle accidents. I can vouch that from 1964 to 1984 the USAF was VERY down on motorcycles. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 09:40:34 2004 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: M/C Riding while in the USAF To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hm...I am pretty sure that ain't the leading cause of death anymore. --- Harry Mantakos wrote: > >Not that I have such statistics, but I imagine > they're accurate ... > > If only all statistics-quoters were as honest. :) > > Not that this means anything, but I recall reading > in some > motorcycling mag years back (late 80's probably), > that the > leading cause of death among members of the US > military (at the > time) was motorcycle accidents. I don't have those > statistics > either, I just remember reading them from thin, > shiny paper... > -harry > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 10:59:26 2004 Subject: Bike Wash Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:59:06 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? I just got back from the beach and wanted to get it de sea-aired as soon as possible. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 11:11:53 2004 Subject: Weekend snippets To the beach Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:11:33 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Left early Saturday morning for Delaware on the R6. By the time I had my workout gear, swimsuit, change of clothes, book, protectant, half cover and flip flops my tank bag was full and so was my backpack. The ride up was wonderful. Crossing the Bay Bridge on my bike had me yelling out loud. The air was chilly in the morning and my field sheer mach 1 with liner removed was not suitable. My teeth were chattering and I was chiding myself for forgetting the concept of layering. I also forgot the directions to the Roaches pool party for which I am sorry. Hit the 304, the 312, Sandtown road, 287 which becomes the 10 which turns on to the 12. In the back country I enjoyed a spirited and smooth ride with slow, look, lean, roll being a wonderful technique. I wondered if deer hung out in corn fields and accepted the risk of spiritedness. My new Shoei RF-1000 no longer looks new. Cars travel in packs on the road and when you get into a clear space it is wonderful. Once at the beach I did cruise a half mile in flip flops, shorts and helmet just for the experience. Compared to the no shirt, no helmet crowd, I was plain demure. Although lacking in twisties it is an excellent ride. I only had one bad moment where a truck forced me to the shoulder on a crowded 113 South. The way back was excellent as well and I stopped in Annapolis where I saw at least sixty bikes, including a huge Harley club that tailed me on my way out. A woman and a man got into some kind of traffic altercation that the woman out of her car shrieking at the man. The man was shouting back. As they were holding everyone back and I was parked I decided to defuse the situation. As I strolled over, the woman turned and yelled at the guy: "Now look what you have done, you have got a very pissed-off biker coming over here". I calmly suggested that cruising the waterfront was a much better way to spend Sunday than in the local jail. The girl had her foot "stuck" under his tire so I helped him back up so she could regain ownership of her foot. It is a wonderful trip and there is a bike week coming up in September in OC. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 11:33:19 2004 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:31:48 -0400 From: Skip To: Julian Halton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Wash Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? I just got > back from the beach and wanted to get it de sea-aired as soon as > possible. in front of your house, with a hose and a bucket? --skip, curious. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 11:34:31 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Wash Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:34:14 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Skip" , "DC Cycles" Ah skip-san. Live in apartment building. -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:32 AM To: Julian Halton; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Wash Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? I just got > back from the beach and wanted to get it de sea-aired as soon as > possible. in front of your house, with a hose and a bucket? --skip, curious. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 11:50:45 2004 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:50:58 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "Skip" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bike Wash At 11:34 AM 8/9/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >Ah skip-san. Live in apartment building. One with no running water? Or does the management just refuse to let you use it? Maybe you could park over a sprinkler head? ;-) Like many here, I just wash mine in my driveway, but in the distant past, when I didn't have a driveway, I've used those coin operated car washes. Since it's been a couple of decades, I can't point any out today, but you might check the yellow pages or Google to see if they still exist. In case you aren't familiar with them, they are basically a drive-thru bay with a pressure washer. These are *not* the water and hot wax spraying, spinning brush, automated car washes...thosr are NOT recommended for bikes...not even if you are wearing a rain suit... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 11:53:00 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Julian Halton" , "Skip" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Bike Wash Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:53:34 -0400 Hit up a self serve auto wash. There is one in Rockville off 355, it's part of Flagship. I usually use soap and water for the plastic and use aluminum wheel cleaner on the wheels and swingarm. I would be careful with the high pressure washers, it might break something on the bike if it isn't sturdy enough. Both the complexes I have lived in have had car wash areas. But I live in Rockville so it's not quite the space squeeze that exists in the district. Rob On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:34:14 -0400, Julian Halton wrote > Ah skip-san. Live in apartment building. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:32 AM > To: Julian Halton; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Bike Wash > > Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? I just got > > back from the beach and wanted to get it de sea-aired as soon as > > possible. > > in front of your house, with a hose and a bucket? > > --skip, curious. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 11:54:39 2004 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:54:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Bike Wash On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > In case you aren't familiar with them, they are basically a drive-thru bay > with a pressure washer. These are *not* the water and hot wax spraying, Be real careful with a pressure washer - they tend to be able to put water in places you might not want water, like, the insides of bearings and such. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 12:25:36 2004 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:25:31 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Bike Wash To: DC Cycles Julian retorts: >Ah skip-san. Live in apartment building. [Dave] Grasshopper... push moto into apartment laundry room. Remove the cold water hose from the washer closest. Rinse. Soap with mild detergent and sponge. Rinse. Towel dry (don't use somebody's dried laundry). Reconnect hose to washer. Move moto from laundry room. Tools required: Channel locks or vice grips(1). Bucket(1) Sponge(1). cleaning solution for moto(1). 100% cotton Bath towels(3) can of elbow grease(1). Beer(6). HTH > >-----Original Message----- >From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:32 AM >To: Julian Halton; DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Bike Wash > >Julian Halton wrote: >> >> >> >> Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? I just got >> back from the beach and wanted to get it de sea-aired as soon as >> possible. > >in front of your house, with a hose and a bucket? > > >--skip, curious. > > > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 13:25:50 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Bike Wash Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:25:42 -0400 > Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? Look for one of the spray-it-yourself type of car washes. Keep the pressure low and don't spray it directly with high pressure on bearings and the chain. This may be more of a suburban than urban thing. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 13:35:52 2004 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:35:30 -0400 To: "Daniel H. Brown" , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bike Wash At 11:54 AM 8/9/04 -0400, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >> >> In case you aren't familiar with them, they are basically a drive-thru bay >> with a pressure washer. These are *not* the water and hot wax spraying, > >Be real careful with a pressure washer - they tend to be able to put >water in places you might not want water, like, the insides of bearings >and such. Good advice, but the pressure washers I've found in the self-serve car washes aren't all that strong. They don't want customers taking trim, or paint, off their cars, or injuring each other (very few people use them with safety goggles for instance). Still, aiming them at bearings, carb intakes, etc. is probably not a good idea. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 13:52:02 2004 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:50:26 -0400 From: Skip To: Julian Halton CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Wash alrighty then. single bucket of suds. single bucket of rinse. pray for rain and go for a ride? :-) Julian Halton wrote: > > Ah skip-san. Live in apartment building. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:32 AM > To: Julian Halton; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Bike Wash > > Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? I just got > > back from the beach and wanted to get it de sea-aired as soon as > > possible. > > in front of your house, with a hose and a bucket? > > --skip, curious. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 14:23:36 2004 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Bike Wash To: DC Cycles --- Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Grasshopper... push moto into apartment > laundry room. Remove the cold water hose from the washer > closest.... You might want to close the valve before removing the hose. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 14:32:17 2004 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:32:11 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Bike Wash To: DC Cycles Larry sagely points out: >> [Dave] Grasshopper... push moto into >> apartment laundry room. Remove the cold water hose from >> the washer closest.... > >You might want to close the valve before removing the hose. >8;) [Dave] Well... Maybe his bike isn't the only thing that needs a bath :-) Nope. can't weasel out of that one so ealisy. Good catch there Larry. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 15:03:09 2004 Subject: Protecting your bike Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:02:53 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" At the end of the day bikes are meant to be ridden and as much as I dislike leaving mine alone I usually end up doing it. As an example I have left my bike unattended for four hours plus in NE Washington DC at Dream nightclub. Would be nice to hear some best practices for parking a bike in the city - do you want to park it in a highly visible place with lots of foot traffic - VIP parking outside trendy restaurant - is it worthwhile to always cover bike with a half\cover - Kryptonite lock on wheel or chain? - alarm with pager: average cost and recommendation on good one I feel whenever I park my bike I am doing a balancing act between security and visibility. I don't like the madding hordes of club goers having to tromp by my bike on their waltz home. I don't like creating my own space between two cars as I am always concerned about being tapped. I do like: - motorcycle only parking - my own space taken in such a way that even the most dopey oaf would not consider trying to squeeze in there. So if you had to park your bike downtown and knew you would be out of sight range for four plus hours are there any tips beyond the obvious to share? Even when I take a car spot I worry that some pissed off driver with take it out on my bike. I bought the half cover sold at Battley's on Friday for 40 dollars. It covers the top half of my bike but leaves wheels, power fairing, drive train and muffler in full view. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 16:56:18 2004 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:56:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Bike Wash To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 11:54 AM 8/9/04 -0400, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > >On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> > >> In case you aren't familiar with them, they are basically a > drive-thru bay > >> with a pressure washer. These are *not* the water and hot wax > spraying, > > > >Be real careful with a pressure washer - they tend to be able to put > >water in places you might not want water, like, the insides of bearings > >and such. > > Good advice, but the pressure washers I've found in the self-serve car > washes aren't all that strong. They don't want customers taking trim, > or > paint, off their cars, or injuring each other (very few people use them > with safety goggles for instance). Still, aiming them at bearings, carb > intakes, etc. is probably not a good idea. > Same with electronics. Undue pressure will likely cause problems there as well. Carl > > > > -- Mike B. > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 02 Suzuki GSX1300RX (Hayabusa) 95 Suzuki GSX-R750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 17:00:04 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: "DC-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FS: Dowco G-50 motorcycle cover Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:54:37 -0400 I'm selling my Dowco motorcycle cover. I just bought it last fall so it's still in good shape. Its been covering my bike outside through the winter and spring so it is a little used but is not sunbleached. There are no tears or rips and the elastic is still very resilient. It's black with silver at the bottom. This is the G-50 cover which is made for sportbikes. I had it over my Honda VFR and it fit great. Below is a link to the cover on the Dowco site. http://www.dowco-inc.com/Prod_Power.asp?seg=2&ProdID=50002-02 I am selling it for $35.00 Rich Westbrook 95' VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 19:18:34 2004 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:18:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Attention Roadracing World readers!!! Please pay special attention to the bylines on pages 90-92 - some of my pictures from the WERA National Challenge / Endurance series were published to accompany the magazine's coverage of the event. You can seem some other choice pics from the event at: http://michaelj.smugmug.com/gallery/168773 Enjoy! - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 20:06:40 2004 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jaguars Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:06:07 -0400 Hi Shane - The biggest internet port of call for all kinds jags is: http://www.jag-lovers.org/index.html Click on the "Mailing Lists" link and you can subscribe to one or more model-specific listservs, or go to the individual model web sites for more model-specific information. The E-Type listserv is extremely active - nearly 10 times the daily activity of dc-cycles. For sale listings are not the primary purpose of the lists, but particularly if you are seeking or offering other related information nobody will complain if you note that you have cars for sale as well (especially if at least one of your E's is a roadster and you offer it at a fair price). In addition, if you click on the "Forums" link, the "JagXchange" forum is a good venue for cars and parts for sale. The folks on these lists are extremely knowledgeable, so full disclosure of what you know and what you don't will go a long way in helping you get positive responses and a quick sale if that's what you seek. Contact me off-list for more info/help if you'd like. Dave ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenstein@XXXXXX 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= > From: "Shane" > To: > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 08/08/04 > Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:01:14 -0400 > > I know it is way bit off topic but here goes > Hello, > > My name is Shane Ross. I have recently come into a collection of 70-80's > jaguars, it is a long story. Here is a list of the ones that I know so From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 20:21:29 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: M/C Riding while in the USAF Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:21:20 -0400 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: M/C Riding while in the USAF Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 9:00:09 -0400 > Not that this means anything, but I recall reading in some > motorcycling mag years back (late 80's probably), that the > leading cause of death among members of the US military (at the > time) was motorcycle accidents. I can vouch that from 1964 to 1984 the USAF was VERY down on motorcycles. Michael J. I have a good friend in the Navy who has just been appointed to some type of motorcyclist control position for his base as one of his duties on his base in Virginia. Apparently his base has a large number of riders and has been experiencing a growing proportion of crashes, including a drunk rider on his Harley doing some real damage to himself. There have been a number of meetings that all riders must attend and there have been new rules issued regarding what gear they must wear to be allowed to ride on the base. The gear must be colored, not black and has to have large amounts of reflective material. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR600 Track From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 21:06:15 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bike Wash Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:06:05 -0400 "Julian Halton" julian@XXXXXX asked Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? I just got back from the beach and wanted to get it de sea-aired as soon as possible. ---------From another beehive-dweller (on digest) - o The two-bucket approach is adequate and fast. Suggest a quick de-salting rinse of the chrome/paint asap and continued attention to standard finish protection if the shore is frequent. o However, coin-op pressure spray brings truth to my solid wheel rims and inside fenders, battering all that road goop away. I generally pre-spray at least the wheels with Simple Green, then drive to a coin-op. Cautions: Second the comments about care with spray aim at full pressure, and I don't use their soap, not wanting to find out about its dissolving power on my bike's tenders the hard way. o Coin-ops I've used: Exxon at Rte 7 and Patrick Henry, the offbrand station on the east side of Rte 7 halfway between Columbia Pike and 7 Corners, and in Annapolis a couple of miles west of town on West Street. Ask around, you may find one next door (and let us know). Avoid obvious rush times (Sat a.m., etc.) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Cleanliness -- Next to Godliness? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 9 21:22:04 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "W.S." , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Bike Wash Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:20:19 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "W.S." > "Julian Halton" julian@XXXXXX asked > > Does anyone know of a good place to get your bike washed? I just got back > from the beach and wanted to get it de sea-aired as soon as possible. > > ---------From another beehive-dweller (on digest) - > > o The two-bucket approach is adequate and fast. .... Chez Wilson is available too, for these de-salinizing, bike washing purposes, for those who ask nicely and help stock the beer fridge. :) Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 09:44:20 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: new riding buddy Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:44:05 -0400 I mentioned pops was looking to get back into the game after a 25 yr break, well he won an Ebay auction for a '99 Super Glide Sport this morning. Not sure when he's going to Philly to pick it up. It's all black, nice and mean looking. One of the best Harley's I've ever seen. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 09:54:17 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Re: Tar + Gravel + Tires = Slippery Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:42:10 -0400 From the SV list, someone had an experience similar to Julian's: >From: beffie@XXXXXX >Reply-To: SV650 Discussion List >To: SV650-L@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tar + Gravel + Tires = Slippery >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:31:09 -0500 > > > Hey all, > > Thanks for the advice... I don't know what they put in tar, but it's > > like tar + grease or something. I'll try the citrus based stuff first > > and then move to contact cleaner if it's not working. > > > I'll be sure to dowse the tires in water which should hopefully lessen > > any damage to the rubber. > > Thanks all! > >i'd still shy away from contact cleaner. it's not leaching out water from >the rubber. it's leaching out other chemicals that make the rubber pliable. >i would imagine that any solvent that breaks up tar and oil is also going >to have some effect on tire rubber so it's a matter of picking a solvent >that is gentle enough to not dry out the tire significantly and cuts >through the tar quickly. even the citrus based and other organic cleaners >are pretty strong. Simple Green is "organic" but it's harsh and will etch >aluminum if applied in concentrated form and left on. > >i'd go with something that's designed to remove tar or something that's >recommended by the car detailing guys as "good." i'd hate to see you ruin a >pair of buns. > >FWIW. > >-Beth > >------------------------------------------------- >For all your SV needs: http://www.svrider.com > >To change your list settings or leave SV650-L, please visit >http://www.hawkgt.com/sv650/lists.asp _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 10:09:25 2004 Subject: RE: Re: Tar + Gravel + Tires = Slippery Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:09:09 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "rich hall" , Rich, It can be "ridden off". Find a nice parking lot and practice your circles. DO so for a while and then the gunk is off the sides. After that a nice trip to Annapolis and his tires should be fine. Now I understand contact patch a whole lot better. -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:42 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Re: Tar + Gravel + Tires = Slippery From the SV list, someone had an experience similar to Julian's: >From: beffie@XXXXXX >Reply-To: SV650 Discussion List >To: SV650-L@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tar + Gravel + Tires = Slippery >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:31:09 -0500 > > > Hey all, > > Thanks for the advice... I don't know what they put in tar, but it's > > like tar + grease or something. I'll try the citrus based stuff > > first and then move to contact cleaner if it's not working. > > > I'll be sure to dowse the tires in water which should hopefully > > lessen any damage to the rubber. > > Thanks all! > >i'd still shy away from contact cleaner. it's not leaching out water >from the rubber. it's leaching out other chemicals that make the rubber pliable. >i would imagine that any solvent that breaks up tar and oil is also >going to have some effect on tire rubber so it's a matter of picking a >solvent that is gentle enough to not dry out the tire significantly and >cuts through the tar quickly. even the citrus based and other organic >cleaners are pretty strong. Simple Green is "organic" but it's harsh >and will etch aluminum if applied in concentrated form and left on. > >i'd go with something that's designed to remove tar or something that's >recommended by the car detailing guys as "good." i'd hate to see you >ruin a pair of buns. > >FWIW. > >-Beth > >------------------------------------------------- >For all your SV needs: http://www.svrider.com > >To change your list settings or leave SV650-L, please visit >http://www.hawkgt.com/sv650/lists.asp _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 13:09:04 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cruiser gear Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:08:55 -0400 Mentioned dad won the Harley auction. Now he needs some gear. I'm more familiar w/ the sportbike websites. Are there some good crusier/Harley gear websites out there? What are the favorite local shops? My folks are in Chantilly, but dad works in Germantown. Anyone heard of M2R helmets? Dad asked me aobut them. Seems he's looked at a 3/4 lid. Guess that's better than the beanie I was expecting him to get. I picture him riding w/ a cigar. I'm happy he's taking me up on my offer to borrow my gear to go get the bike from Philly. Soon we'll have to take the ERC together. Thanks, Rich _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 14:41:23 2004 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:41:43 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: cruiser gear At 01:08 PM 8/10/04 -0400, rich hall wrote: >Mentioned dad won the Harley auction. Now he needs some gear. I'm more >familiar w/ the sportbike websites. Are there some good crusier/Harley gear >websites out there? What are the favorite local shops? My folks are in >Chantilly, but dad works in Germantown. I'll let those on the list who deal in such things speak for themselves here, and just mention other places I know of. All of the H-D dealerships sell H-D clothes. Sometimes there are discounts that fix some of the price differential between web and store. Battley's gives a 10% discount for a few months after you buy a bike there for instance, and if you are a HOG member, you get a discount too (5% I think it is). They also have sales from time to time that can knock 10-40% off the prices. The two closest to Germantown are Rockville H-D (Battley's, near the Gaithersburg Airport) and Frederick H-D (on Rt 355 on the south edge of Frederick). CAD Cycles had a good supply of 3/4 helmets last time I was in there. They are in Gaithersburg (the "old town" section). Didn't look like much else that would be useful for a cruiser rider though. Lots of dirt stuff though. MDO Modern Cycles (a couple of blocks from Battley's) has a lot of stuff for the bike, but not a lot for the rider. They are a place you can get service done though, or use their facilities to do your own work...supervised if you like. Friendly folks. Got a toolkit through them. D.C. Cruisers is a block off of 124, also not far from Battley's (turn next to the Shell station a block west of the Airpark/Shady Grove and 124 intersection...they'll be halfway around the horseshoe-shaped road you are on then). They have a fair bit of apparel (jackets, T-shirts, sweatshirts, gloves, etc.) as well as some really nice (and expensive) bikes (Vengeance, Big Dog, Texas Ironhorse, etc.) and accessories/parts. They do maintenance work too, though I'm not sure if they limit it to bikes they've sold or not. I hear they do group rides every Thursday evening. They're fairly new...I think they opened last fall...so they are still figuring out what should be in the store and what can be left for orders as needed. Most rallies and bike shows will have a lot of cruiser gear (jackets, gloves, chaps/pants, vests, boots, etc.) and the prices can be really good at times. My GF picked up a leather vest last year at Rolling Thunder for $20 for instance. They aren't much for clothing, but for things like luggage, the SAC folks are pretty good to deal with. Got their "Large Sac" for the trip to Va. Beach in June, and it worked very well (both for carrying stuff and as a backrest :-). On the trip I managed to step on one of the plastic quick release fasteners and broke it (in the hotel room, not on the bike, and it still worked well enough to get home despite being half missing). When I called to order a replacement, they said it was covered under the lifetime warranty and sent me a pair of them free of charge...the extra in case I do it again. ;-) They are at lots of local rallies and open houses, or on the web at http://www.coolsac.com/. Also friendly people to deal with. Oh, one thing about the Sac bags: they are water resistant, not waterproof. They point this out in the catalog, and it's very true. We hit heavy rain at the Bay Bridge Tunnel, and had it all the way into Va. Beach. The bag was ok for a short while, but by the time I got to the hotel, it was soaked through (they come in leather and nylon...I have the nylon). I'd put everything in trash bags inside, so no damage, and the bag dried out overnight sitting in front of the room's A/C, but when I got home I ordered the Sac Wrapper, which fits over the large and small Sac bags together, and *is* waterproof, as well as having tightly sealed external pockets for storing things you want on the road (cell phone, suntan lotion, spare shades, etc.). >Anyone heard of M2R helmets? Dad asked me aobut them. Seems he's looked at >a 3/4 lid. Guess that's better than the beanie I was expecting him to get. Never heard of them, but if he has any comments if he gets one, I'd love to hear them. I'm thinking of a 3/4 with a face shield for summer trips where the 1/2 helmet isn't enough, but the full face is just too hot and cumbersome. >I'm happy he's taking me up on my offer to borrow my gear to go get the bike >from Philly. How long since he's ridden? He might want to consider trailering the bike home, rather than using a longish trip as a way to both learn the condition of the bike and re-learn his riding skills. I'd taken a 12 year break between my Honda and the Heritage I have now, and it was a few hundred miles before I started feeling at all confident on the new bike...I'm glad my first ride was 11 miles home from the dealer, rather than a couple hundred on an interstate or worse... >Soon we'll have to take the ERC together. It's fun, and worthwhile. Lots of slow speed stuff, which is always good to work on. Figure-eights in a box was probably the most challenging exercise. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 16:11:36 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruiser gear Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:12:09 -0400 www.motorcycle-superstore.com I have bought some stuff there. Always had good luck with them, YMMV. Rob On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:41:43 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote > At 01:08 PM 8/10/04 -0400, rich hall wrote: > >Mentioned dad won the Harley auction. Now he needs some gear. I'm more > >familiar w/ the sportbike websites. Are there some good crusier/Harley gear > >websites out there? What are the favorite local shops? My folks are in > >Chantilly, but dad works in Germantown. > > I'll let those on the list who deal in such things speak for themselves > here, and just mention other places I know of. > > All of the H-D dealerships sell H-D clothes. Sometimes there are discounts > that fix some of the price differential between web and store. Battley's > gives a 10% discount for a few months after you buy a bike there for > instance, and if you are a HOG member, you get a discount too (5% I think > it is). They also have sales from time to time that can knock 10- > 40% off the prices. The two closest to Germantown are Rockville H-D > (Battley's, near the Gaithersburg Airport) and Frederick H-D (on Rt > 355 on the south edge of Frederick). > > CAD Cycles had a good supply of 3/4 helmets last time I was in > there. They are in Gaithersburg (the "old town" section). Didn't > look like much else that would be useful for a cruiser rider though. > Lots of dirt stuff though. > > MDO Modern Cycles (a couple of blocks from Battley's) has a lot of stuff > for the bike, but not a lot for the rider. They are a place you can > get service done though, or use their facilities to do your own > work...supervised if you like. Friendly folks. Got a toolkit > through them. > > D.C. Cruisers is a block off of 124, also not far from Battley's > (turn next to the Shell station a block west of the Airpark/Shady > Grove and 124 intersection...they'll be halfway around the horseshoe- > shaped road you are on then). They have a fair bit of apparel > (jackets, T-shirts, sweatshirts, gloves, etc.) as well as some > really nice (and expensive) bikes (Vengeance, Big Dog, Texas > Ironhorse, etc.) and accessories/parts. They do maintenance work > too, though I'm not sure if they limit it to bikes they've sold or > not. I hear they do group rides every Thursday evening. They're fairly > new...I think they opened last fall...so they are still figuring out > what should be in the store and what can be left for orders as needed. > > Most rallies and bike shows will have a lot of cruiser gear (jackets, > gloves, chaps/pants, vests, boots, etc.) and the prices can be > really good at times. My GF picked up a leather vest last year at > Rolling Thunder for $20 for instance. > > They aren't much for clothing, but for things like luggage, the SAC folks > are pretty good to deal with. Got their "Large Sac" for the trip to > Va. Beach in June, and it worked very well (both for carrying stuff > and as a backrest :-). On the trip I managed to step on one of the > plastic quick release fasteners and broke it (in the hotel room, not > on the bike, and it still worked well enough to get home despite > being half missing). When I called to order a replacement, they > said it was covered under the lifetime warranty and sent me a pair > of them free of charge...the extra in case I do it again. ;-) They > are at lots of local rallies and open houses, or on the web at > http://www.coolsac.com/. Also friendly people to deal with. > > Oh, one thing about the Sac bags: they are water resistant, not waterproof. > They point this out in the catalog, and it's very true. We hit > heavy rain at the Bay Bridge Tunnel, and had it all the way into Va. > Beach. The bag was ok for a short while, but by the time I got to > the hotel, it was soaked through (they come in leather and nylon...I > have the nylon). I'd put everything in trash bags inside, so no > damage, and the bag dried out overnight sitting in front of the > room's A/C, but when I got home I ordered the Sac Wrapper, which > fits over the large and small Sac bags together, and *is* waterproof, > as well as having tightly sealed external pockets for storing > things you want on the road (cell phone, suntan lotion, spare shades, > etc.). > > >Anyone heard of M2R helmets? Dad asked me aobut them. Seems he's looked at > >a 3/4 lid. Guess that's better than the beanie I was expecting him to get. > > Never heard of them, but if he has any comments if he gets one, I'd > love to hear them. I'm thinking of a 3/4 with a face shield for > summer trips where the 1/2 helmet isn't enough, but the full face is > just too hot and cumbersome. > > >I'm happy he's taking me up on my offer to borrow my gear to go get the bike > >from Philly. > > How long since he's ridden? He might want to consider trailering > the bike home, rather than using a longish trip as a way to both > learn the condition of the bike and re-learn his riding skills. I'd > taken a 12 year break between my Honda and the Heritage I have now, > and it was a few hundred miles before I started feeling at all > confident on the new bike...I'm glad my first ride was 11 miles home > from the dealer, rather than a couple hundred on an interstate or worse... > > >Soon we'll have to take the ERC together. > > It's fun, and worthwhile. Lots of slow speed stuff, which is always > good to work on. Figure-eights in a box was probably the most challenging > exercise. > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 17:52:00 2004 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:51:49 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Rob Sharp Subject: Re: cruiser gear Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Indeed YMMV might -- no personal experience, but I've heard some bad reports that I don't plan to order from them. Aaron On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:12:09 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: > www.motorcycle-superstore.com > > I have bought some stuff there. Always had good luck with them, YMMV. > > Rob > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:41:43 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote > > > > At 01:08 PM 8/10/04 -0400, rich hall wrote: > > >Mentioned dad won the Harley auction. Now he needs some gear. I'm more > > >familiar w/ the sportbike websites. Are there some good crusier/Harley gear > > >websites out there? What are the favorite local shops? My folks are in > > >Chantilly, but dad works in Germantown. > > > > I'll let those on the list who deal in such things speak for themselves > > here, and just mention other places I know of. > > > > All of the H-D dealerships sell H-D clothes. Sometimes there are discounts > > that fix some of the price differential between web and store. Battley's > > gives a 10% discount for a few months after you buy a bike there for > > instance, and if you are a HOG member, you get a discount too (5% I think > > it is). They also have sales from time to time that can knock 10- > > 40% off the prices. The two closest to Germantown are Rockville H-D > > (Battley's, near the Gaithersburg Airport) and Frederick H-D (on Rt > > 355 on the south edge of Frederick). > > > > CAD Cycles had a good supply of 3/4 helmets last time I was in > > there. They are in Gaithersburg (the "old town" section). Didn't > > look like much else that would be useful for a cruiser rider though. > > Lots of dirt stuff though. > > > > MDO Modern Cycles (a couple of blocks from Battley's) has a lot of stuff > > for the bike, but not a lot for the rider. They are a place you can > > get service done though, or use their facilities to do your own > > work...supervised if you like. Friendly folks. Got a toolkit > > through them. > > > > D.C. Cruisers is a block off of 124, also not far from Battley's > > (turn next to the Shell station a block west of the Airpark/Shady > > Grove and 124 intersection...they'll be halfway around the horseshoe- > > shaped road you are on then). They have a fair bit of apparel > > (jackets, T-shirts, sweatshirts, gloves, etc.) as well as some > > really nice (and expensive) bikes (Vengeance, Big Dog, Texas > > Ironhorse, etc.) and accessories/parts. They do maintenance work > > too, though I'm not sure if they limit it to bikes they've sold or > > not. I hear they do group rides every Thursday evening. They're fairly > > new...I think they opened last fall...so they are still figuring out > > what should be in the store and what can be left for orders as needed. > > > > Most rallies and bike shows will have a lot of cruiser gear (jackets, > > gloves, chaps/pants, vests, boots, etc.) and the prices can be > > really good at times. My GF picked up a leather vest last year at > > Rolling Thunder for $20 for instance. > > > > They aren't much for clothing, but for things like luggage, the SAC folks > > are pretty good to deal with. Got their "Large Sac" for the trip to > > Va. Beach in June, and it worked very well (both for carrying stuff > > and as a backrest :-). On the trip I managed to step on one of the > > plastic quick release fasteners and broke it (in the hotel room, not > > on the bike, and it still worked well enough to get home despite > > being half missing). When I called to order a replacement, they > > said it was covered under the lifetime warranty and sent me a pair > > of them free of charge...the extra in case I do it again. ;-) They > > are at lots of local rallies and open houses, or on the web at > > http://www.coolsac.com/. Also friendly people to deal with. > > > > Oh, one thing about the Sac bags: they are water resistant, not waterproof. > > They point this out in the catalog, and it's very true. We hit > > heavy rain at the Bay Bridge Tunnel, and had it all the way into Va. > > Beach. The bag was ok for a short while, but by the time I got to > > the hotel, it was soaked through (they come in leather and nylon...I > > have the nylon). I'd put everything in trash bags inside, so no > > damage, and the bag dried out overnight sitting in front of the > > room's A/C, but when I got home I ordered the Sac Wrapper, which > > fits over the large and small Sac bags together, and *is* waterproof, > > as well as having tightly sealed external pockets for storing > > things you want on the road (cell phone, suntan lotion, spare shades, > > etc.). > > > > >Anyone heard of M2R helmets? Dad asked me aobut them. Seems he's looked at > > >a 3/4 lid. Guess that's better than the beanie I was expecting him to get. > > > > Never heard of them, but if he has any comments if he gets one, I'd > > love to hear them. I'm thinking of a 3/4 with a face shield for > > summer trips where the 1/2 helmet isn't enough, but the full face is > > just too hot and cumbersome. > > > > >I'm happy he's taking me up on my offer to borrow my gear to go get the bike > > >from Philly. > > > > How long since he's ridden? He might want to consider trailering > > the bike home, rather than using a longish trip as a way to both > > learn the condition of the bike and re-learn his riding skills. I'd > > taken a 12 year break between my Honda and the Heritage I have now, > > and it was a few hundred miles before I started feeling at all > > confident on the new bike...I'm glad my first ride was 11 miles home > > from the dealer, rather than a couple hundred on an interstate or worse... > > > > >Soon we'll have to take the ERC together. > > > > It's fun, and worthwhile. Lots of slow speed stuff, which is always > > good to work on. Figure-eights in a box was probably the most challenging > > exercise. > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > > Harley folks) > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > > is better. > > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 19:22:08 2004 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:21:47 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruiser gear rich hall wrote: > Anyone heard of M2R helmets? Dad asked me aobut them. Seems he's > looked at a 3/4 lid. Guess that's better than the beanie I was > expecting him to get. Rich - M2R is a "bargain" helmet company ... really cheap lids. As in the cheapest helmets we can order. Our largest distributor has them, but we've never actually ordered one. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 19:51:28 2004 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:55:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: cruiser gear Harley is making some good riding gear now (above the standard leather fare) like the FXRG line. Also check out things like draggin jeans and other items at www.aerostich.com. Nice stuff to go under denim jackets or t-shirts: http://www.bohnarmor.com/riderstations/body_armour.html#Shirts I try and push some of these "cammo" items at the classes I teach. I point out you can "wear the uniform" and "look cool" and still be well protected. Some of this stuff is why I laugh at people who make superficial judgements about what someone is wearing when they ride..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 10 20:03:58 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brian Roach" , "rich hall" Cc: Subject: Re: cruiser gear Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:02:12 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" > rich hall wrote: > > > Anyone heard of M2R helmets? Dad asked me aobut them. Seems he's > > looked at a 3/4 lid. Guess that's better than the beanie I was > > expecting him to get. > > Rich - M2R is a "bargain" helmet company ... really cheap lids. ... > - Roach > > -- > http://www.speedwerks.com Uh oh, I feel a rant comin' on. :) If you have a bargain head, buy a bargain helmet. (Or at least tell me you're dirt poor and ride a $400 rat bike.) I say buy gear that's equivalent, or better, than what you spend on a bike. I'll counsel a newbie to spend 2 grand on a bike and another grand for good gear. You don't need to be extravagant to lay down $1,000 on boots, pants, jacket, gloves and helmet. Maybe it's a generational thing that sees helmets as superfluous and uncomfortable, but I don't mind spending money on something I use nearly every day. My four-year-old plain white Shoei RF-800 has probably been worn about 350 days a year, to be conservative. It cost me about $250/(350*4) = $0.18 a day. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 01:44:34 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:38:07 -0400 To: Bruce Brownlee , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: cruiser gear At 07:55 PM 8/10/04 -0400, Bruce Brownlee wrote: >Harley is making some good riding gear now (above the standard >leather fare) like the FXRG line. I agree that the FXRG stuff is very good. I got the jacket last fall, and the leather pants a couple of months later, when it really started getting cold. Both worked very well, and are the only reason I rode all winter long. When combined with a leather vest and/or sweatshirt, the jacket is almost too warm, even at 26 degrees F...I didn't close the vents until it got down near freezing, and even below freezing I found myself sweating a bit when moving around off of the bike in it. No malfunctions on either piece of gear so far, and both are comfortable, well thought out as to pockets and adjustments, but not at all light in the size I wear. ;-) Oh, the FXRG stuff isn't cheap either...don't be expecting bargain pricing on it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 01:52:02 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:52:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Charity ride for all bikes this Saturday in Maryland Saturday, August 14th (i.e. this coming Saturday), is the MC-HOG chapter's seventh annual "Scrabble Scramble" (like a poker run, but with Scrabble instead of poker) benefiting the Children's Inn at NIH. Registration is from 10am to noon at Rockville Harley Davidson and the cost is $10. All bikes are welcome (any brand, any size). Riders follow a designated route across 92 miles of beautiful Montgomery county back roads, collecting scrabble letters at 4 stops. The ride ends at the Cracked Claw restaurant in Urbana where the highest Scrabble scores win fabulous prizes (gift certificates from Battley's in amounts ranging from $50 to $125) and everyone has a chance at the raffle and door prizes. The flyer is at: http://www.mchog.com/Events/2004Events/2004ScrabbleScrambleFlyer.pdf If you need any more info, let me know and I'll find it for you. It should be a fun event, and you can ride alone, or in groups as you please. The route will be marked, and includes a stop at the Children's Inn at NIH, so you can see where the money will be going...and the kids can see all the bikes too (I hear they really like that!). Hope to see you at the finish! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 08:14:56 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 8:14:36 -0400 > > From: Bruce Brownlee > Date: 2004/08/10 Tue PM 07:55:00 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: cruiser gear > > Harley is making some good riding gear now (above the standard > leather fare) like the FXRG line. > Also check out things like draggin jeans and other items at > www.aerostich.com. > Nice stuff to go under denim jackets or t-shirts: > http://www.bohnarmor.com/riderstations/body_armour.html#Shirts > I try and push some of these "cammo" items at the classes I > teach. I point out you can "wear the uniform" and "look cool" > and still be well protected. > > Some of this stuff is why I laugh at people who make superficial > judgements about what someone is wearing when they ride..... > > yup yup. You can't always determine how protected someone is just by the looks of what they're wearing. For example, my jeans are Draggin Jeans, and are kevlar lined. I'm going to order the Draggin Jeans, jean jacket which looks like a normal jean jacket but has pads and kevlar protection. I wish more manufacturers did that. I think more people would wear them if they didn't look like they were ready for a space flight. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 08:44:56 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:43:01 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Bmw bag size I'm shopping new (to me) bikes, and a few bmw's are on my list. Are the "System Bags" big enough for a standard laptop (not with laptop bag)? Also, anybody cold weather ride on R11x0GS or the k1200rs? I'm looking at large fairing bikes, and I'm just wondering how these two fare. Thasks, Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 11:09:26 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:10:08 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 08:14 AM 8/11/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Nice stuff to go under denim jackets or t-shirts: >> http://www.bohnarmor.com/riderstations/body_armour.html#Shirts Can anyone attest to the quality, utility, fit, etc. of these? They look pretty interesting. Not really cheap, but if they work, they are well worth it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 11:31:44 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:31:16 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Mike Bartman CC: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruiser gear Mike Bartman wrote: > Can anyone attest to the quality, utility, fit, etc. of these? They look > pretty interesting. Not really cheap, but if they work, they are well > worth it. This is just a personal opinion on Bohn: I don't buy anything from anyone that lies about their products' construction, and continues to do so even after being called on it. Bohn used to be the exclusive importer for Knox products in the US in '99. They then cut ties with Knox, copied their designs, and produce them using cheaper materials ... all the while putting tags on them (and still do to this day) that state "Made to CE standards" or "Made from CE approved materials". This is basically like building a helmet that looks just like a shoei, saying it's exactly the same even though it's not made from the same material, selling it for the same amount, and saying "Built to Snell standards" without having it tested. Like Snell, CE approval is a test process, not a standard. Several publications including Road Racing World pointed this out, and Bohn to this day has not changed their practices. Call be wacky, but I wouldn't trust my body parts to a company with those business practices. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 12:01:48 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX i thought the consensus on draggin jeans was that they provided minimal protection when compared to leathers and only marginally more than jeans? --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > From: Bruce Brownlee > > Date: 2004/08/10 Tue PM 07:55:00 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: cruiser gear > > > > Harley is making some good riding gear now (above the > standard > > leather fare) like the FXRG line. > > Also check out things like draggin jeans and other > items at > > www.aerostich.com. > > Nice stuff to go under denim jackets or t-shirts: > > > http://www.bohnarmor.com/riderstations/body_armour.html#Shirts > > I try and push some of these "cammo" items at the > classes I > > teach. I point out you can "wear the uniform" and > "look cool" > > and still be well protected. > > > > Some of this stuff is why I laugh at people who make > superficial > > judgements about what someone is wearing when they > ride..... > > > > > > yup yup. You can't always determine how protected > someone is just by the looks of what they're wearing. > For example, my jeans are Draggin Jeans, and are kevlar > lined. I'm going to order the Draggin Jeans, jean jacket > which looks like a normal jean jacket but has pads and > kevlar protection. > > I wish more manufacturers did that. I think more people > would wear them if they didn't look like they were ready > for a space flight. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 12:16:24 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:16:12 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Tom Gimer CC: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruiser gear Tom Gimer wrote: > i thought the consensus on draggin jeans was that they > provided minimal protection when compared to leathers and > only marginally more than jeans? That would be my opinion as well - I own a pair of the jeans. They have thin kevlar liners in the knees and seat, with *maybe* slightly stronger stitching in all the seams. Better than plain old jeans, but not by much. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 12:21:14 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:22:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 09:00 AM 8/11/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >i thought the consensus on draggin jeans was that they >provided minimal protection when compared to leathers and >only marginally more than jeans? Very little beats leather for padding, abrasion-resistance, and heat (friction) insulation. I guess that's why racers continue to wear it, rather than switching to various synthetics that would be lighter, cheaper and breathe better. Not being better than leather is not much of a criticism, as it applies to anything other than leather. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 12:22:53 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:23:35 -0400 To: Brian Roach From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: cruiser gear Cc: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:31 AM 8/11/04 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >Bohn used to be the exclusive importer for Knox products in the US in >'99. They then cut ties with Knox, copied their designs, and produce >them using cheaper materials ... all the while putting tags on them (and >still do to this day) that state "Made to CE standards" or "Made from CE >approved materials". Thanks for the info. Yeah, I agree, that's a pretty strong reason to avoid them. I take it that Knox is the way to go for stuff like that? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 12:50:49 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:39 -0400 I don't know the quality of the denim jacket but I have their perforated leather jacket, their kevlar undershirt and their Draggin Jeans, and if this jacket is anywhere near the quality of the stuff I have, it's a bargain. -aki > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed AM 11:10:08 EDT > To: , > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > At 08:14 AM 8/11/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >> Nice stuff to go under denim jackets or t-shirts: > >> http://www.bohnarmor.com/riderstations/body_armour.html#Shirts > > Can anyone attest to the quality, utility, fit, etc. of these? They look > pretty interesting. Not really cheap, but if they work, they are well > worth it. > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 14:06:02 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: , Subject: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:54:03 -0400 Take a look at Motoport's 'street' line for the ultimate in textile protection (www.motoport.com). I have the 'race' version of their kevlar gear (crash tested at 70 mph - not a scratch on me after 120+ ft of asphalt sliding on my stomach). The stuff really protects, and is very comfortable. IMHO it's worth every penny based on protective level, comfort, and maintenance (machine washable). They are more $$$ than draggin' jeans, but they will save your skin (and be super comfy). I haven't seen the jeans style pant in perso, but you can read about them here: I give the GP suit two thumbs up. Mr. Wilson can chime in re: the Ultra suit. -Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > I don't know the quality of the denim jacket but > I have their perforated leather jacket, their kevlar > undershirt and their Draggin Jeans, and if this jacket > is anywhere near the quality of the stuff I have, it's > a bargain. > > -aki > > > > > > From: Mike Bartman > > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed AM 11:10:08 EDT > > To: , > > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > > > At 08:14 AM 8/11/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > >> Nice stuff to go under denim jackets or t-shirts: > > >> http://www.bohnarmor.com/riderstations/body_armour.html#Shirts > > > > Can anyone attest to the quality, utility, fit, etc. of these? They look > > pretty interesting. Not really cheap, but if they work, they are well > > worth it. > > > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > > is better. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 14:33:07 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:32:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Paul Hutchins , adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hutchins Take a look at Motoport's 'street' line for the ultimate in textile protection (www.motoport.com). I have the 'race' version of their kevlar gear (crash tested at 70 mph - not a scratch on me after 120+ ft of asphalt sliding on my stomach). The stuff really protects, and is very comfortable. IMHO it's worth every penny based on protective level, comfort, and maintenance (machine washable). They are more $$$ than draggin' jeans, but they will save your skin (and be super comfy). I haven't seen the jeans style pant in perso, but you can read about them here: I give the GP suit two thumbs up. Mr. Wilson can chime in re: the Ultra suit. -Paul ------------- I'm unimpressed with Draggin' Jeans. I got a pair as a gift about four years ago and wore them a few times. The "Kevlar stuff" in the pants seat started to come unraveled after a few washings. Anyone who wants my pair can have them. I need the closet space. Motoport Ultra II - I love it. It's not been crash-tested yet. It is my personal opinion that those who are overly concerned with fashion might want to consider a less lethal hobby. I know, we can have protective gears that looks good, but when push comes to shove and one has to come at the expense of the other, you know which way I'll choose. YMMV. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 14:59:47 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:33 -0400 > > From: Tom Gimer > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed PM 12:00:42 EDT > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > i thought the consensus on draggin jeans was that they > provided minimal protection when compared to leathers and > only marginally more than jeans? > > I don't where that consensus came from. They certainly aren't a replacment for leather but they're definately better than jeans. They *don't* have padding though but they do offer protection from abrasion in critical points. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 15:17:34 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:17:26 -0400 You can buy knee/shin armor w/ velco to stick to the kevlar for $20. I have them, bit of a pain to get in w/ how tight the jeans are. Mine haven't had any problems going through the washer or dryer. >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear >Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:33 -0400 > They certainly aren't a replacment for leather but they're definately better than jeans. They *don't* have padding though but they do offer protection from abrasion in critical points. _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 15:19:59 2004 From: To: , Subject: Re: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:19:45 -0400 > > From: Paul Wilson > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed PM 02:32:55 EDT > To: Paul Hutchins , adamme1@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) > > It is my personal opinion that those who are overly concerned with fashion might want to consider a less lethal hobby. ..and equally, it is my opinion that those who are overly concerned with safety should do the same. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 15:30:48 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:30:36 -0400 > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed PM 03:17:26 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > You can buy knee/shin armor w/ velco to stick to the kevlar for $20. I have > them, bit of a pain to get in w/ how tight the jeans are. Mine haven't had > any problems going through the washer or dryer. ...neither has mine and I've washed them dozens of times. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 15:33:57 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > From: Tom Gimer > > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed PM 12:00:42 EDT > > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > > > i thought the consensus on draggin jeans was that they > > provided minimal protection when compared to leathers > and > > only marginally more than jeans? > > > > > I don't where that consensus came from. They certainly > aren't a replacment for leather but they're definately > better than jeans. They *don't* have padding though but > they do offer protection from abrasion in critical > points. they are marginally better than jeans in that they provide increased protection from abrasion in critical points (provided, of course, that the kevlar actually stays on top of said critical point throughout the crash -- far from a certainty); but they offer nowhere near the protection you seem to be relying upon in your first post. not trying to rain on your parade, but don't kid yourself about the protection that gear will afford you.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 15:38:10 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:37:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) Aki, emoticons aside, I'm not going to let you get away with setting up a straw man like that. The trade-off is often between fashion and protection, not fashion and "safety." Sure, those who value "safety" above all else ought to consider taking up needlepoint and stay away from motorcycles altogether. OTOH, those of us who like to ride, who value protection and prefer not to break bones and leave skin behind on the tarmac ought to leave the moto-fashion to the posers and movie stars. -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX > > It is my personal opinion that those who are overly concerned with fashion might want to consider a less lethal hobby. ..and equally, it is my opinion that those who are overly concerned with safety should do the same. ;-) -aki Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 16:08:30 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:08:16 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 03:30 PM 8/11/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: "rich hall" >> You can buy knee/shin armor w/ velco to stick to the kevlar for $20. I have >> them, bit of a pain to get in w/ how tight the jeans are. Mine haven't had >> any problems going through the washer or dryer. > >...neither has mine and I've washed them dozens of times. Maybe it's a soap/bleach brand/amount issue? Or maybe the rocks the other guy is using to beat them on are sharper than yours? ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 18:51:47 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:52:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 03:33 PM 8/11/2004, you wrote: >--- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > From: Tom Gimer > > > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed PM 12:00:42 EDT > > > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > > > > > i thought the consensus on draggin jeans was that > they > > > provided minimal protection when compared to leathers > > and > > > only marginally more than jeans? > > > > > > > > I don't where that consensus came from. They certainly > > aren't a replacment for leather but they're definately > > better than jeans. They *don't* have padding though > but > > they do offer protection from abrasion in critical > > points. > >they are marginally better than jeans in that they provide >increased protection from abrasion in critical points >(provided, of course, that the kevlar actually stays on >top >of said critical point throughout the crash -- far from a >certainty); but they offer nowhere near the protection you >seem to be relying upon in your first post. not trying to >rain on your parade, but don't kid yourself about the >protection that gear will afford you.... not kidding myself however I haven't heard, (and it may be my own ignorance), of anyone actually losing it with a pair on to give us more than just opinions and conjecture. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 18:56:10 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:56:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) >Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:55:54 -0400 >To: Paul Wilson >From: Aki Damme >Subject: Re: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) > >At 03:37 PM 8/11/2004, you wrote: >>Aki, emoticons aside, I'm not going to let you get away >>with setting up a straw man like that. The trade-off is >>often between fashion and protection, not fashion and >>"safety." Sure, those who value "safety" above all else >>ought to consider taking up needlepoint and stay away >>from motorcycles altogether. OTOH, those of us who like >>to ride, who value protection and prefer not to break >>bones and leave skin behind on the tarmac ought to leave >>the moto-fashion to the posers and movie stars. > > >I agree! However you have to also agree that if >"protection" was the only reason people bought >gear, we'd all be wearing the same color instead of some >of the outrageous outfits I see some folks >wearing. Some of it is just as much as a fashion >statement as it is for protection. > >-aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 19:15:08 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" , , Subject: Textiles (was Re: cruiser geae) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:15:02 -0400 From: To: , Subject: Re: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:19:45 -0400 > > From: Paul Wilson > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed PM 02:32:55 EDT > To: Paul Hutchins , adamme1@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser gear) It is my personal opinion that those who are overly concerned with fashion might want to consider a less lethal hobby. ..and equally, it is my opinion that those who are overly concerned with safety should do the same. I agree on the fashion comment. I have now taken to carrying my helmet in to the store with me displayed prominently when I run errands on my moto. I can at least point to the bright yellow helmet hanging off of my arm when the idiot(s) of the hour ask why I am wearing boots and a snowmobile suit (Aerostitch) suit in August. After pointing to the helmet the lightbulb will flicker and fade out again as they respond with something like "Oh, you rode a bike here?" I usually answer with something like "No, I really enjoy wearing a full 'Stitch suit to run my errands in August and I like the way the boots accentuate the ensemble!" or they reply with my absolute favorite: "oh, you rode here on the back of a bike?" Lisa Goddard '95 VFR, 41K miles '97 GSXR600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 19:36:30 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:32:03 -0400 Subject: Crash test of Draggin' Jeans From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I crash tested a pair of these about five years ago. The deer won! I suffered minor rash on one knee. What we need to think about is there are two types of injury we are trying to protect against . Impact and abrasion. The Draggin' jeans probably do a fair job of protecting against abrasion--at least in areas covered by the kevlar-- but almost nothing for impact. In my case, I had slowed enough so that the impact problem was minor. The biggest problem I see with the Draggin' Jeans, for me, is that since I ride almost every day they are not cost effective. $ 80.00 x 2 in order to have a clean pair to wear. The denim part just doesn't stand up. If I wore them exclusively I would need about five- six pairs a year. For that kind of money I can buy and wear good textile or leather stuff. Bob If your mind wanders, ride after it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 19:55:17 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:14:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser geae) On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Lisa Goddard wrote: > I agree on the fashion comment. I have now taken to carrying my helmet in > to the store with me displayed prominently when I run errands on my moto. I > can at least point to the bright yellow helmet hanging off of my arm when > the idiot(s) of the hour ask why I am wearing boots and a snowmobile suit > (Aerostitch) suit in August. Since I started working from home about 2 months ago, I've been riding everyday. I always wear leather jacket/pants zipped together and it never fails when I walk into the gym each day... "hey, did you ride in today?". :-) Which brings me to another issue I have... stinky leathers :-) When it's 95 out and I'm running errands, I'm sweating. A lot. My perf'd jacket smells really bad inside right now. Tips on cleaning or keeping them fresh between cleanings? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 20:17:15 2004 From: "Jay Goddard" To: "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: cruiser gear/ Bohn Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:17:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:31:16 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Mike Bartman CC: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruiser gear Brian wrote: This is just a personal opinion on Bohn: I don't buy anything from anyone that lies about their products' construction, and continues to do so even after being called on it. Bohn used to be the exclusive importer for Knox products in the US in '99. They then cut ties with Knox, copied their designs, and produce them using cheaper materials ... all the while putting tags on them (and still do to this day) that state "Made to CE standards" or "Made from CE approved materials". This is basically like building a helmet that looks just like a shoei, saying it's exactly the same even though it's not made from the same material, selling it for the same amount, and saying "Built to Snell standards" without having it tested. Like Snell, CE approval is a test process, not a standard. Several publications including Road Racing World pointed this out, and Bohn to this day has not changed their practices. Call be wacky, but I wouldn't trust my body parts to a company with those business practices. - Roach Disclaimer: I sell these. Brian have you ever heard of one failing or not performing well? In the RRW test it scored as well as the Knox. While the people who make and sell these have there flaws I have never heard of a problem with the product. I'm not trying to defend the product or the company, I just am curious if your heard of them failing. -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard 2000 DRZ400E Super Motard 1990 RC30, 1996 ZX-11 1999 GSXR750, 1997 XR100R 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX http://www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com http://www.MotardUSA.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 20:30:52 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser geae) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:19:16 -0400 Febreeze? Just a thought. From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser geae) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:14:33 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Lisa Goddard wrote: > I agree on the fashion comment. I have now taken to carrying my helmet in > to the store with me displayed prominently when I run errands on my moto. I > can at least point to the bright yellow helmet hanging off of my arm when > the idiot(s) of the hour ask why I am wearing boots and a snowmobile suit > (Aerostitch) suit in August. Since I started working from home about 2 months ago, I've been riding everyday. I always wear leather jacket/pants zipped together and it never fails when I walk into the gym each day... "hey, did you ride in today?". :-) Which brings me to another issue I have... stinky leathers :-) When it's 95 out and I'm running errands, I'm sweating. A lot. My perf'd jacket smells really bad inside right now. Tips on cleaning or keeping them fresh between cleanings? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 21:49:35 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:48:46 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Jay Goddard CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: cruiser gear/ Bohn Disclaimer: We sell them too, if people insist on buying one after I give them my spiel :) My point was not one of performance, but one of ethics. I have no doubt the Bohn back protector performs as well as any other *non-CE* back protector. I however, happen to believe that CE certified equipment is better than non-CE. And I have the personal experience of hitting an unprotected concrete wall at high speed, back-first, and being able to walk away to convince me. I've seen people hit concrete walls wearing non-CE equipment, and not fair so well. I have never heard of a Bohn "failing" per se, but I know someone personally who got hurt wearing one (three broken ribs in the back). There is absolutely no way of knowing whether a CE certified protector would have helped in that particular instance - and I am making no claim that it would have. That being said ... the person of whom I am speaking was under the impression they were wearing a CE certified back protector at the time due to Bohn's misleading advertising. That is NOT cool. - Roach Jay Goddard wrote: > Disclaimer: I sell these. > > Brian have you ever heard of one failing or not performing well? In the RRW > test it scored as well as the Knox. > While the people who make and sell these have there flaws I have never heard > of a problem with the product. > I'm not trying to defend the product or the company, I just am curious if > your heard of them failing. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 22:03:35 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Sally Weaver Subject: Re: Criminals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I think our criminals are far more stupider than euoropes criminals. Anyone (besides me) laughing at this comment? - Sean Jordan Truth to tell...that comment is way more funner than anything I've seen on this list in a long time. :^) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 11 23:15:43 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:13:29 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser geae) At 08:14 PM 8/11/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >Which brings me to another issue I have... stinky leathers :-) When it's >95 out and I'm running errands, I'm sweating. A lot. My perf'd jacket >smells really bad inside right now. Tips on cleaning or keeping them >fresh between cleanings? There's professional leather cleaning...expensive and probably not ideal for perforated leather, but I dunno. There's having more than one set, and letting them "rest" (i.e. dry out) between wearings. Circulating air to remove moisture, and maybe some UV (I.E. sunshine) on the interior parts to limit bacterial growth will probably do a lot to reduce olfactory offense. The smell is mostly from bacterial waste products...fewer bacteria, less smell. If leathers work anything like leather shoes, letting them dry out between wearings will make them last a whole lot longer. Wear the same pair of shoes every day and you might get a year out of them, while having two pairs and alternating them may let both last a couple of years or more. Three pairs and you'll get another boost in longevity. I don't think going all the way to Imelda Marcos extremes buys you much though. My plan is to let the leathers take the summer off, and wear synthetics when it's hot out...either the windbreaker-style H-D one I got last spring (60-75 degrees) or the mesh one with the armor padding at elbows, shoulders and back that I got in June (75 and up). I'll save the leather gear for when it drops below 60 again. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 07:48:17 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:07:48 -0400 I'm sorry to hear this, Paul. Bike theft always sucks, and its suckiness is compounded by the fact you are a decent human being. I hope either insurance or recovery result in a rapid and painless replacement. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: Stolen KLR alert > Folks, > > My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my house last night. It's dark > blue in color (bluish forest green is the official Kawi color I think.) DC > tag MT2154 > > VIN JKAKLEA14TA040143 > Engine serial # KL650AE032128 > > It has a Givi top case, a ScottOiler and a large ScottOiler sticker on it, > otherwise stock. > > Police report filed, but I don't have a lot of hope. :( > > Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 07:54:57 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:54:58 -0400 Oops, this was stuck in my Outbox, just jarred it loose while fixing up my new laptop. Sorry, all. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert > I'm sorry to hear this, Paul. > > Bike theft always sucks, and its suckiness is compounded by the fact you are > a decent human being. > > I hope either insurance or recovery result in a rapid and painless > replacement. > > --jon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 08:00:34 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Jon Strang'" , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stolen KLR alert Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:00:06 -0400 Yeah theft sucks. A friend of mine almost lost his bike in front of his house. He was up and heard a knock on the door, his neighbor told him two guys have your bike down the street. The had the front on a dolly ( the fork was locked ) He ran down the street and the thieves ran, left the dolly. I guess if they want it bad enough they'll try anything. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:08 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert I'm sorry to hear this, Paul. Bike theft always sucks, and its suckiness is compounded by the fact you are a decent human being. I hope either insurance or recovery result in a rapid and painless replacement. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: Stolen KLR alert > Folks, > > My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my house last night. It's dark > blue in color (bluish forest green is the official Kawi color I think.) DC > tag MT2154 > > VIN JKAKLEA14TA040143 > Engine serial # KL650AE032128 > > It has a Givi top case, a ScottOiler and a large ScottOiler sticker on it, > otherwise stock. > > Police report filed, but I don't have a lot of hope. :( > > Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 09:18:30 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:18:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Bmw bag size On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > I'm shopping new (to me) bikes, and a few bmw's are on my list. Are the > "System Bags" big enough for a standard laptop (not with laptop bag)? > Also, anybody cold weather ride on R11x0GS or the k1200rs? I'm looking > at large fairing bikes, and I'm just wondering how these two fare. I haven't tried the "system bags" for my laptop - I have a Givi topcase though, and that works fine, plus, is big enough for two helmets if I clean out the other bits of stuff. The R1150RT I have is decent for cold - big, adjustable fairing, heated grips, easily accessible power outlets, etc. I /would/ test ride both an R and a K before making a descision on what you want. Going from a VFR to the RT was, for me, a pretty big change. Also, maybe, look at the 'Busa, the FJR1300 and the Honda ST1100. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 09:38:02 2004 From: "rich hall" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen bikes Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:28:28 -0400 Seems at least 4 bikes were stolen or attempted to in the area last week according to the post over on DCSportbikes.com. R6 in Alexandria, Haybusa in Rockville (story below) 10RR in DC and ZX10 in Columbia. Maybe a month ago a 600RR in Alexandria Remember another sportbike in Alexandria earlier this yr. We've had Paul in DC & Fish in Bowie. >From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" >To: "'Jon Strang'" , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Stolen KLR alert >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:00:06 -0400 > >Yeah theft sucks. A friend of mine almost lost his bike in front of his >house. He was up and heard a knock on the door, his neighbor told him two >guys have your bike down the street. The had the front on a dolly ( the >fork >was locked ) He ran down the street and the thieves ran, left the dolly. >I guess if they want it bad enough they'll try anything. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 09:40:39 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:40:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stolen bikes On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, rich hall wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:28:28 -0400 > From: rich hall > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Stolen bikes > > Seems at least 4 bikes were stolen or attempted to in the area last week > according to the post over on DCSportbikes.com. Check out the Washington Post crime reports in the metro section, there are fairly specific locations included. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 09:42:23 2004 Subject: RE: Stolen bikes Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:42:03 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "rich hall" , That's why I wondered if anyone had an alarm recommendation. I would love to have some sort of GPS tracking device\alarm that would call my cell phone. In Canada, my brother had to spend $600 on a mandatory alarm for his bike. Something by VIPER. -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:28 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen bikes Seems at least 4 bikes were stolen or attempted to in the area last week according to the post over on DCSportbikes.com. R6 in Alexandria, Haybusa in Rockville (story below) 10RR in DC and ZX10 in Columbia. Maybe a month ago a 600RR in Alexandria Remember another sportbike in Alexandria earlier this yr. We've had Paul in DC & Fish in Bowie. >From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" >To: "'Jon Strang'" , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Stolen KLR alert >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:00:06 -0400 > >Yeah theft sucks. A friend of mine almost lost his bike in front of his >house. He was up and heard a knock on the door, his neighbor told him >two guys have your bike down the street. The had the front on a dolly ( >the fork was locked ) He ran down the street and the thieves ran, left >the dolly. >I guess if they want it bad enough they'll try anything. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee(r) Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 10:03:15 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:02:17 -0400 To: "rich hall" , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Stolen bikes At 09:28 AM 8/12/04 -0400, rich hall wrote: >Seems at least 4 bikes were stolen or attempted to in the area last week >according to the post over on DCSportbikes.com. >R6 in Alexandria, Haybusa in Rockville (story below) 10RR in DC and ZX10 in >Columbia. >Maybe a month ago a 600RR in Alexandria >Remember another sportbike in Alexandria earlier this yr. >We've had Paul in DC & Fish in Bowie. And given the fact that these are all folks on the lists, which is a limited sample of the available riding population, the actual theft rate must be pretty high. Tell me again why can't we just hang bike thieves? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 10:07:53 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stolen bikes Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:07:20 -0400 Sierra Club sued to block it because of the rope chafing the tree branch. Cedric --- Tell me again why can't we just hang bike thieves? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 10:12:17 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:12:10 -0400 From: Robert To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Stolen bikes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Displaying the benefits of a Catholic education, Cedric? Good job. Robert On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:07:20 -0400, bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Sierra Club sued to block it because of the rope chafing the tree branch. > Cedric > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 10:20:32 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 03:33 PM 8/11/2004, you wrote: > >--- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Tom Gimer > > > > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed PM 12:00:42 EDT > > > > To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > > > > > > > i thought the consensus on draggin jeans was that > > they > > > > provided minimal protection when compared to > leathers > > > and > > > > only marginally more than jeans? > > > > > > > > > > > I don't where that consensus came from. They > certainly > > > aren't a replacment for leather but they're > definately > > > better than jeans. They *don't* have padding though > > but > > > they do offer protection from abrasion in critical > > > points. > > > >they are marginally better than jeans in that they > provide > >increased protection from abrasion in critical points > >(provided, of course, that the kevlar actually stays on > >top > >of said critical point throughout the crash -- far from > a > >certainty); but they offer nowhere near the protection > you > >seem to be relying upon in your first post. not trying > to > >rain on your parade, but don't kid yourself about the > >protection that gear will afford you.... > > > not kidding myself however I haven't heard, (and it may > be > my own ignorance), of anyone actually losing it with a > pair > on to give us more than just opinions and conjecture. well, i've crashed in jeans.... and i've sampled the draggin jeans in hickory. like bob said, consider the impact absorbtion issue -- and also how the draggin jeans differ from less stylish protective gear. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 10:26:05 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:26:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 07:20 AM 8/12/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >draggin jeans in hickory. like bob said, consider the >impact absorbtion issue -- and also how the draggin jeans >differ from less stylish protective gear. You mean like those super-padded "sumo suits" they use for fun in some bars? Talk about your impact protection...but definitely not stylish. Why aren't the "protection-firsters" wearing those? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 10:32:26 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Stolen bikes Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:32:17 -0400 I had not one but TWO ZX9s stolen from in front of my townhouse in Frederick this year (one in April and one in June). The first was recovered in the bottom of a large creek and the second wasn't recovered. Of course, my insurance company won't write another policy for a bike... I've moved and will be getting another (insured by someone else) at the end of the month. It'll be anchored to the floor of my garage. Kirk > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2004/08/12 Thu AM 09:28:28 EDT > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Stolen bikes > > Seems at least 4 bikes were stolen or attempted to in the > area last week according to the post over on > DCSportbikes.com. R6 in Alexandria, Haybusa in Rockville > (story below) 10RR in DC and ZX10 in Columbia. > Maybe a month ago a 600RR in Alexandria Remember another > sportbike in Alexandria earlier this yr. We've had Paul in > DC & Fish in Bowie. > > >From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > >To: "'Jon Strang'" , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Stolen KLR alert > >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:00:06 -0400 > > > >Yeah theft sucks. A friend of mine almost lost his bike in front of his > >house. He was up and heard a knock on the door, his neighbor told him two > >guys have your bike down the street. The had the front on a dolly ( the > >fork > >was locked ) He ran down the street and the thieves ran, left the dolly. > >I guess if they want it bad enough they'll try anything. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 10:56:54 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:56:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > You mean like those super-padded "sumo suits" they use for fun in some > bars? Talk about your impact protection...but definitely not stylish. Why > aren't the "protection-firsters" wearing those? Mike, knock off the flamebait and try to, just for a few minutes, not make matters worse by calling people who actually take time to prepare themselves for a safer, more comfortable ride, as they see fit, stupid names like "protection-firsters," and mocking them, suggesting they should wear huge padded sumo-suits. Your suggestions are akin to a 13yr old in a locker room poking fun at the guy who wears his jock to gym class or cup when playing baseball. If you're not mature enough to ride with the right gear, at least be mature enough to let others be. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 11:27:39 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:27:35 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Stolen bikes To: DCCycles >Seems at least 4 bikes were stolen or attempted to in the >area last week according to the post over on >DCSportbikes.com.R6 ... [Dave] Local PD's use bait cars... I find it hard to believe they haven't seized some good 2 wheelers from dope fiends... Maybe they should be prodded to start using bait- bikes... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 11:29:34 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:29:27 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Stolen bikes To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MB whimsically asks: >And given the fact that these are all folks on the lists, >which is a limited sample of the available riding >population, the actual theft rate must be pretty high. > >Tell me again why can't we just hang bike thieves? [Dave] That pesky murder charge. FWIW, you can if I'm on your jury... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 11:30:19 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:30:11 -0400 > > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > Date: 2004/08/12 Thu AM 10:56:47 EDT > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > You mean like those super-padded "sumo suits" they use for fun in some > > bars? Talk about your impact protection...but definitely not stylish. Why > > aren't the "protection-firsters" wearing those? > > Mike, knock off the flamebait and try to, just for a few minutes, not make > matters worse by calling people who actually take time to prepare > themselves for a safer, more comfortable ride, as they see fit, stupid > names like "protection-firsters," and mocking them, suggesting they should > wear huge padded sumo-suits. Your suggestions are akin to a 13yr old in a > locker room poking fun at the guy who wears his jock to gym class or cup > when playing baseball. > > If you're not mature enough to ride with the right gear, at least be mature > enough to let others be. > whoa there Dan! Are you saying that if I don't wear the "right gear" that I'm immature? Where's the memo on this? My secretary didn't mention anything about acceptable gear being a requisite to being a mature rider. How come I wasn't on the distro list??? These damn summer interns can't be relied upon AT ALL. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 11:39:46 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:38:13 -0400 To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 10:56 AM 8/12/04 -0400, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >> >> You mean like those super-padded "sumo suits" they use for fun in some >> bars? Talk about your impact protection...but definitely not stylish. Why >> aren't the "protection-firsters" wearing those? > >Mike, knock off the flamebait and try to, just for a few minutes, not make >matters worse by calling people who actually take time to prepare >themselves for a safer, more comfortable ride, as they see fit, stupid >names like "protection-firsters," and mocking them, suggesting they should >wear huge padded sumo-suits. I'll do that when the protection-firsters stop calling names, mocking and otherwise being rude to those who have other priorities in life than keeping their skin unblemished until it wrinkles up and they die of old age. If they can't take it, perhaps they should quit dishing it out? As for "safer, more comfortable ride", wearing race gear in summer time, while scrunched up on a race bike, so that you can ride on the public roads at speeds well in excess of the posted limits (or common sense) has little or no relation to "safer, more comfortable ride" in my universe. If you are going to buy a bike designed for speeds with three digits, and dress in gear designed to handle a fall at 120 mph or more, and *not* be on a track, it's not unreasonable, IMO, to presume that safety isn't really one of your major concerns. I dress appropriately for the sort of riding I do, given my level of concern for damage recovery if things go wrong, and the reasons I ride in the first place. I suggest you do the same, along with everyone else. There is no "best" when it comes to protective gear. It's always a tradeoff between a number of factors (cost, comfort, health, protection, interference, visibility, and even fashion). No matter how good your gear, you won't live forever anyway. It's what you do in the time you have that makes the difference between "life" and "mere existence". -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 11:49:50 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you're not mature enough to ride with the right gear, at least be mature > > enough to let others be. > > whoa there Dan! Are you saying that if I don't wear the "right gear" that > I'm immature? Pretty much, ya. Its my opinion, and I'm not saying it isn't your right to make your own choices within the law, but, I, personally think that wearing the right gear to make riding more comfortable and safer is a sign of maturity. Its a sign you've learned that, in lots of cases, you don't get a second chance, so you better have the right gear the first time. Flamebaiting the list like Mike does, and making fun of people who've chosen differently than he does/you do is, in my opinion, very certainly immature and childish, bordering on irresponsible. If you can't set a good example, at least try not to set a bad one. Of course, I've grown to expect all of this from the likes of him. > Where's the memo on this? It'll come. Possibly written on the back of a bit of construction equipment going down I66 at <25mph, without any sort of escort and not enough lights, like the back-hoe a friend of mine found the hard way the other night. He lived, but likely due to driving a cage with airbags, his seatbelt (IE, the right gear) and the lucky chance that the operator of said backhoe had the bucket low. All of this is one riders opinion. YMMV. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 11:51:10 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:51:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Daniel H. Brown" , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stolen bikes -----Original Message----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, rich hall wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:28:28 -0400 > > Seems at least 4 bikes were stolen or attempted to in the area last week > according to the post over on DCSportbikes.com. Check out the Washington Post crime reports in the metro section, there are fairly specific locations included. -- Dan Brown -- I dunno about the 'burbs, but auto thefts aren't listed in the Post's District weekly section. You can sign up to receive police district crime reports on-line via www.safestreetsdc.com Our PSA used to have a printed newsletter with monthly crime stats and locations, but the officer who compiled the newsletter seems to have been transferred. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 12:08:07 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stolen bikes On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > >I dunno about the 'burbs, but auto thefts aren't listed in the Post's >District weekly section. You can sign up to receive police district crime >reports on-line via www.safestreetsdc.com shor' nuff. Searching wash post on "motorcycle stolen" brings up only reports from the burbs. Huh. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 12:08:31 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dan you have got to remember that Mike rides in a world where image is everything and toughness is based on how loud your bike is, how little you wear and how close you can come to looking like an actual bad guy. Considering Mike's posts, he probably isn't a 'one percenter' so he has to do all he can (ie, leather vest, beanie helmet) to improve his coolness factor. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 12:20:11 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Daniel H. Brown'" , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stolen bikes Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:19:34 -0400 In the Rockville area they have a crime report in the city newspaper. I read it but most of my neighbors just let it sit in there driveway until it finally disintegrates into grey splotch on the pavement. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:08 PM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stolen bikes On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > >I dunno about the 'burbs, but auto thefts aren't listed in the Post's >District weekly section. You can sign up to receive police district crime >reports on-line via www.safestreetsdc.com shor' nuff. Searching wash post on "motorcycle stolen" brings up only reports from the burbs. Huh. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 12:33:05 2004 From: Daniel To: Bob McKeithen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash test of Draggin' Jeans Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:31:56 -0400 I highly recommmend wearing some kind of knee shin protection, such as those worn by dirt bike riders... Knees are delicate.. and sometimes unrepairable.. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:32:03 -0400, Bob McKeithen wrote: >I crash tested a pair of these about five years ago. The deer won! I >suffered minor rash on one knee. >What we need to think about is there are two types of injury we are >trying to protect against . Impact and abrasion. The Draggin' jeans >probably do a fair job of protecting against abrasion--at least in >areas covered by the kevlar-- but almost nothing for impact. In my >case, I had slowed enough so that the impact problem was minor. >The biggest problem I see with the Draggin' Jeans, for me, is that >since I ride almost every day they are not cost effective. $ 80.00 x 2 >in order to have a clean pair to wear. The denim part just doesn't >stand up. If I wore them exclusively I would need about five- six pairs >a year. For that kind of money I can buy and wear good textile or >leather stuff. > >Bob >If your mind wanders, ride after it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 12:42:04 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 07:20 AM 8/12/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >draggin jeans in hickory. like bob said, consider the > >impact absorbtion issue -- and also how the draggin > jeans > >differ from less stylish protective gear. > > You mean like those super-padded "sumo suits" they use > for fun in some > bars? Talk about your impact protection...but definitely > not stylish. Why > aren't the "protection-firsters" wearing those? let me make myself perfectly clear.... i don't give a rat's ass what you wear for gear, or how big of a stain you make on the road. however, if you claim that certain gear provides more protection than it actually does, i'll call you on it -- for your own benefit. i've got to be honest though, mike, i have no friggin idea what you are talking about in your post, above. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 12:42:18 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:42:14 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MK writes: >Dan you have got to remember that Mike rides in a >world where image is everything and toughness is based >on how loud your bike is, how little you wear and how >close you can come to looking like an actual bad guy. [Dave] without commenting on this particular fued... And, bear in mind that I am philoshically, and as a matter of personal honor, duty bound to not agree with Kitchell ;-) Nevertheless, drag pipes on an otherwise stock HD are really becoming an out of control R.U.B. fad that is rapidly pissing off people everywhere. It never ceases to amaze me how someone can be so turned on by a bike that's 30 db louder and 1/3 the power of my bike... I guess I just 'don't get it'. I do enjoy the sound of a well tuned race car with open headers, or bullet mufflers at MIR. Bikes too. I'll even confess that I do enjoy the sound the HD's make, so long as it's not over 100db... On one hand we're taking the position, as motorcyclists, that it's "my bike and I'll do what I want to personalize it" and on the other we get all bent out of shape about being stereotyped as irresponsible, hooligans, RUBs, etc... Next time your loud pipes machine makes some kid wince and cover their ears, think to yourself 'maybe it's not so cool'... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 12:55:35 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:55:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I am sorry Dave you just don't get it! Its part of my 'Americun Heritage' and right as a freedom-loving consumer of all-American (well 55% or so) Iron to show you how big my kahounas are by riding a bike that is so loud it litterally can shatter an eardrum. Please respect my desire to pay 3x what your bike cost for 60% of the technology too. And don't expect me to wave at your jap/german/austrian/italian/english/korean peice of crap either. reality check: I saw a harley literally knock someone's wineglass over in Old Town one night. Thing started up outside the window of a restaurant on King Street. The guy HAD to blip the trottle sending exhaust and this deafening noise into the restaurant, knocking over a glass. Made lots of friend with the cage drivers that night! --- Dave Yates wrote: > MK writes: > > >Dan you have got to remember that Mike rides in a > >world where image is everything and toughness is > based > >on how loud your bike is, how little you wear and > how > >close you can come to looking like an actual bad > guy. > > [Dave] without commenting on this particular > fued... And, > bear in mind that I am philoshically, and as a > matter of > personal honor, duty bound to not agree with > Kitchell ;-) > > Nevertheless, drag pipes on an otherwise stock HD > are really > becoming an out of control R.U.B. fad that is > rapidly pissing > off people everywhere. It never ceases to amaze me > how > someone can be so turned on by a bike that's 30 db > louder and > 1/3 the power of my bike... I guess I just 'don't > get it'. > I do enjoy the sound of a well tuned race car with > open > headers, or bullet mufflers at MIR. Bikes too. > I'll even > confess that I do enjoy the sound the HD's make, so > long as > it's not over 100db... > > On one hand we're taking the position, as > motorcyclists, that > it's "my bike and I'll do what I want to personalize > it" and > on the other we get all bent out of shape about > being > stereotyped as irresponsible, hooligans, RUBs, > etc... > > Next time your loud pipes machine makes some kid > wince and > cover their ears, think to yourself 'maybe it's not > so > cool'... > > > Dave Yates > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 13:02:30 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:51:04 -0400 Mike B. - I'm a 'protection firster' who rides a sportbike (because I like corners) and was not rude. Nor was Mr. Wilson. Take your digs at Mr. Gimer off-list. Back to the topic: Draggin' Jeans are plain denim in areas outside 'high-abrasion' areas. I'd be suspect of their ability to stay together to protect the 'high-abrasion' areas because they are a pair of jeans. Jeans are pretty feeble if you stay on the pavement for more than 20ft. Joe Rocket Textiles are suspect. I had a Ballistic 3.0 Jacket open from the armpit to the waist for no reason (normal wearing). I'd hate to see what would have happened in a crash. I've tested the Motoport kevlar-blend material/construction in a big slide (for a 'street rider'). It did it's job. The pants are as comfortable as a pair of jeans (especially if you take out the armor) and provide the abrasion protection of most competition weight leathers. The jackets are unbeatable in the terms of comfort for riding on a motorcycle. Everything is machine washable (just throw them in the washing machine, armor and all, then hang to dry - less than a day to dry BTW). The only downside is cost - which can't really be a downside if one spends a decent about time riding. I wear my suit more than any other single article of clothing and it is still in great shape. There are textiles that look like jeans, feel like jeans, but are not jeans. They perform better than jeans in pretty every category I can think of (except cost). Why wear jeans when riding? I've seen the damage from 25mph get offs with jeans. It's pretty bad in terms of scarring, not to mention the risk of infection. There is also the time/effort of nursing an oozing patch of skin a few inches long/wide. It sucks. It can all be avoided by purchasing effective gear. I don't understand what the downsides exist to gearing up... -Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" To: "Daniel H. Brown" ; "dc-cycles" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear [snip] > I'll do that when the protection-firsters stop calling names, mocking and > otherwise being rude to those who have other priorities in life than > keeping their skin unblemished until it wrinkles up and they die of old > age. If they can't take it, perhaps they should quit dishing it out? > > As for "safer, more comfortable ride", wearing race gear in summer time, > while scrunched up on a race bike, so that you can ride on the public roads > at speeds well in excess of the posted limits (or common sense) has little > or no relation to "safer, more comfortable ride" in my universe. If you > are going to buy a bike designed for speeds with three digits, and dress in > gear designed to handle a fall at 120 mph or more, and *not* be on a track, > it's not unreasonable, IMO, to presume that safety isn't really one of your > major concerns. > > I dress appropriately for the sort of riding I do, given my level of > concern for damage recovery if things go wrong, and the reasons I ride in > the first place. I suggest you do the same, along with everyone else. > There is no "best" when it comes to protective gear. It's always a > tradeoff between a number of factors (cost, comfort, health, protection, > interference, visibility, and even fashion). > > No matter how good your gear, you won't live forever anyway. It's what you > do in the time you have that makes the difference between "life" and "mere > existence". > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 13:08:03 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:07:55 -0400 To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 11:49 AM 8/12/04 -0400, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >Flamebaiting the list like Mike does, and making fun of people who've >chosen differently than he does/you do is, in my opinion, very certainly >immature and childish, bordering on irresponsible. Why is it "flamebaiting" when I do it, but being "mature" when you do it? Just part of your own flamebaiting technique? Seems like you have some growing up to do. You still have that self-centeredness of youth, where only your opinions are right, and everyone who differs in their outlook is wrong. >All of this is one riders opinion. YMMV. It does, obviously. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 13:24:38 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:22:51 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 09:08 AM 8/12/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Dan you have got to remember that Mike rides in a >world where image is everything and toughness is based >on how loud your bike is, how little you wear and how >close you can come to looking like an actual bad guy. And thus Mark Kitchell renews his membership in the "Ignorant Assholes" club by once again sharing his worthless, unfounded, and just plain wrong opinions of things he is clueless about. Opinions that aren't even supported by what little he has been told here? I doubt it. That's just the kind of guy he is. >Considering Mike's posts, he probably isn't a 'one >percenter' so he has to do all he can (ie, leather >vest, beanie helmet) to improve his coolness factor. I quit worrying about being "cool" (in a social sense) when I grew up a bit more than you have so far. I do still like to be "cool" (in the thermal sense) though, so I don't wear my full leather gear in the summer, no matter how "cool" (in a social sense) that might make me in your eyes. If I was as concerned with social opinion as you seem to like to think I am, I'd ditch my helmet when in Delaware or Pennsylvania with others who are doing that, rather than keeping my helmet on (whether my full face or my half), and I'd ride in a T-shirt or dennim shirt, rather than the padded mesh or non-mesh synthetic jackets I wear in the heat of summer. I'd get fewer "aren't you hot in that?" queries from those I ride with for one thing, and I'd be cooler (thermal) too. However, those modes of dress don't fit the balance I prefer between comfort and protection. You've chosen a different balance point. Fine. That's your decision. I've made mine too. Why can't you, and those like you, leave it at that? (and why isn't Mr. "don't pick on people for their safety choices" jumping on you for your obnoxious remarks and flamebait mannerisms? Guess he wasn't so much bothered by what I did as who I did it to...). Unlike you, I choose my gear for my own reasons, not because I'm afraid that assholes like you will have poor opinions of me. I don't give a damn what you think, I just wish that you did more of it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 13:30:09 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:07:55 -0400 > From: Mike Bartman > To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > At 11:49 AM 8/12/04 -0400, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > >Flamebaiting the list like Mike does, and making fun of people who've > >chosen differently than he does/you do is, in my opinion, very certainly > >immature and childish, bordering on irresponsible. > > Why is it "flamebaiting" when I do it, but being "mature" when you do it? > Just part of your own flamebaiting technique? I'm just calling things as I see them. And, for what its worth, I'm not making fun of you, not flamebaiting to try to get a response. I'm telling you I think your opinion is wrong. Further, I'm saying that your disparaging attempt at humor - your sumo-suit comment, is childish and sets a bad example - akin, as I said, to 13yr old locker-room antics making fun of guys wearing their jocks or cups. > Seems like you have some growing up to do. You still have that > self-centeredness of youth, where only your opinions are right, and > everyone who differs in their outlook is wrong. Ad-hominim attack aren't going to get you anywhere Mike, and you really aught to read what you're replying to. This is one arguement where I've made my choices, and know there are plenty of others who agree with me, plenty of studies which agree with me, even plenty of anecdotal evidence I can use to argue my point. And, Like Gimer, I really don't care how big of a splat mark you personally make on the road. But, I do have a problem with people, like yourself, who seem to go out of their way to try to convince everyone else that wearing gear is uncool. I can, and will, disagree. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 13:30:19 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:28:25 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" Cc: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Bmw bag size Daniel H. Brown wrote: >On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > > > >The R1150RT I have is decent for cold - big, adjustable fairing, heated >grips, easily accessible power outlets, etc. I /would/ test ride both an R >and a K before making a descision on what you want. Going from a VFR to >the RT was, for me, a pretty big change. Also, maybe, look at the 'Busa, >the FJR1300 and the Honda ST1100. > > I hope to get a ride on an R and K, we'll see. I'm trying to avoid chains, but my list is long and includes the FJR13 and ST1300 among other shafties. Right now I'm leaning towards the ST1300. Thanks, Tom De '98 VTR > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 13:47:41 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:28:33 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 09:41 AM 8/12/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> You mean like those super-padded "sumo suits" they use >> for fun in some >> bars? Talk about your impact protection...but definitely >> not stylish. Why >> aren't the "protection-firsters" wearing those? >i've got to be honest though, mike, i have no friggin idea >what you are talking about in your post, above. http://www.csp.edu/alumni/HC03stpty3.htm for a pic. Google will find you lots more if you want it. In case your sense of humor is still on the fritz, I was joking about wearing them when riding...just making a point, not to be taken literally, etc.. -- Mike B. ============================================================================== | Any and all opinions or conceptually similar items, constructs, wordings | | or collections thereof, that that may, or may not, be expressed herein, or | | elsewhere, are the sole property and responsibility of those explicitly | | expressing a desire for joint and several ownership thereof, their | | descendents or assigns, to the extent permitted by applicable laws, | | tariffs, treaties, and/or prior agreements, contracts, promises, or | | desires. 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I guess I just 'don't get it'. >I do enjoy the sound of a well tuned race car with open >headers, or bullet mufflers at MIR. Bikes too. I'll even >confess that I do enjoy the sound the HD's make, so long as >it's not over 100db... I agree with you. The only utility I've found for loud pipes is that when riding in a group, if the leader has them, everyone knows when to accelerate without having to wait until a gap starts to open up. Keeps the group together a bit better. That utility is more than compensated for however, by being behind such a set of pipes for 100 miles... I swapped the slipons on my bike, but not for volume. I did it to change the tone and get a few more H.P.. They aren't much louder than they were before. If I'd wanted louder, and even more H.P., I'd have chosen a very different exhaust. Probably a two-into-one straight pipe setup from Sampson or something like it, but since I often leave for rides early on weekend mornings, and I consider my neighbors who might like to sleep late, I wouldn't do that even if I did like loud pipes. I also keep the revs very low until I'm out on the highway to limit noise even further. With the sort of low-end torque a V-twin makes, that's easily possible. I don't need 6000 RPM to get enough oomph to move me like some sport bikes seem to. They may have two or three times the H.P, but they don't have a whole lot more torque (not more than 50% more for a bike with three times the H.P. from what dyno charts I've seen), and what they do have they usually don't develop until the RPMs are climbing way up there...along with the decibels. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:02:17 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:00:43 -0400 To: "Paul Hutchins" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 12:51 PM 8/12/04 -0400, Paul Hutchins wrote: >Mike B. - I'm a 'protection firster' who rides a sportbike (because I like >corners) and was not rude. Nor was Mr. Wilson. >Take your digs at Mr. Gimer off-list. The digs aren't at Mr. Gimer...they are at all of the folks here who like to dig at others who have different outlooks than they do, particularly as it relates to safety gear. We've seen at least two of them just today. There are a lot more too (and Mr. Gimer wasn't even who I was thinking of as he isn't at all the worst offender on this subject)...though as you point out, it isn't everyone here. >There are textiles that look like jeans, feel like jeans, but are not jeans. >They perform better than jeans in pretty every category I can think of >(except cost). Why wear jeans when riding? I've seen the damage from 25mph >get offs with jeans. It's pretty bad in terms of scarring, not to mention >the risk of infection. There is also the time/effort of nursing an oozing >patch of skin a few inches long/wide. It sucks. It can all be avoided by >purchasing effective gear. I don't understand what the downsides exist to >gearing up... Cost, hassle, and lack of knowledge of the alternatives? I have nothing against protection. It's good to have...provided that the downsides don't outweigh the upsides...and where that happens will vary from person to person. I'm not going to put on a full leather suit in summer, even if it will protect me better than a synthetic jacket will. On the other hand, if two jackets are equally cool (thermal use), well designed and comfortable, but one provides far more protection, even at a higher cost, I'll go with the more protection one in a heartbeat. Why wouldn't I? Based on the magazines I've read, and the moto gear dealers I've been to, it appeared that there were three basic choices for pants: jeans, Draggin' Jeans, and something over jeans (chaps, leather pants, or a "snowmobile suit" type riding suit). Given that choice, I went with leather pants for cold weather and jeans for hot. Now that the padded and abrasion-resistant jeans-like option has appeared here in the last couple of days, I'm looking into that. I wasn't aware of it previously, but it looks like a better option than jeans, though more expensive (like four times as much). As you say, the cost is worth it, and they aren't unaffordable, even if not as cheap as jeans. Unless there's some serious downside that I'm not aware of, they look like a much better option than jeans are, and owning a pair or two seems like a good idea. The next question is where to get them. There seems to be a difference of opinion about which source is the one to go to/avoid. Roach's opinions seemed pretty reasonable about Bohn, but the counter-point scored some points too. Jury is still out, and more experience-based data would be nice to see if anyone has some. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:04:08 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:04:04 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I agree with you. The only utility I've found for loud >pipes is that when riding in a group, if the leader has >them, everyone knows when to accelerate [Dave] That's a double edged sword. If the group leader screws up... So will the rest of the 'herd'... >I swapped the slipons on my bike, but not for volume. I did >it to change the tone and get a few more H.P.. They aren't >much louder than they were before. [Dave] Noise doesn't make horsepower. > If I'd wanted louder, and even more H.P., I'd have chosen >a very different exhaust. Probably a two-into-one straight >pipe setup from Sampson or something like it, but since I >often leave for rides early on weekend mornings, and I >consider my neighbors who might like to sleep late, >I wouldn't do that even if I did like loud pipes. [Dave] as above. Unless the bike is spending all of it's time at the high side of the powerband, open exhaust hurts more than it helps power wise. > I don't need 6000 RPM to get enough oomph to move me like >some sport bikes seem to. They may have two or three times >the H.P, but they don't have a whole lot more torque (not >more than 50% more for a bike with three times the H.P. from >what dyno charts I've seen), and what they do have they >usually don't develop until the RPMs are climbing way up >there...along with the decibels. [Dave] well... it's true enough not a lot of bikes are going to make over 100 lb-ft of torque, but, most of the sport bikes don't need it too. If you like the bike, then you made the right choice for you. I can certainly appreciate most of the fine 2 wheeled machines out there, but the drag pipe equipped HD's are right up there with the Honda Civic with fart can exhaust... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:06:54 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:06:47 -0400 > > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > Date: 2004/08/12 Thu PM 01:29:59 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > I really don't care how big of a splat mark you personally make on the > road. But, I do have a problem with people, like yourself, who seem to go > out of their way to try to convince everyone else that wearing gear is > uncool. I can, and will, disagree. ok, I'll bite. Then why is it ok for you to go out of your way to convince people who don't dress to your level of protection to be labeled as immature? pot-kettle-black IMHO. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:13:01 2004 Subject: Don't know quite what to make of this Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:12:43 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: The below link contains a picture of a topless woman in an unusual situation. After some scrutiny, I conclude this is a moto related link. Depending on how your department\bureau\thought police view these things this may be considered not safe for public viewing, http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sorciere/pic/q51.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:18:19 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: race boots Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:17:02 -0400 I'm looking for some top quality race calibre riding boots... what's the latest and greatest protection wise.. (and where is teh best place to order them from) i'm not worried about price as eventually insurance is going to pay for them when i wreck and scuff them up LOL - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:18:53 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Don't know quite what to make of this To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Nice pipes! --- Julian Halton wrote: > The below link contains a picture of a topless woman > in an unusual > situation. > After some scrutiny, I conclude this is a moto > related link. > > Depending on how your department\bureau\thought > police view these things > this may be considered not safe for public viewing, > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sorciere/pic/q51.jpg > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:23:22 2004 Subject: RE: race boots Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:23:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Daniel" , Go to newenoughleathers.com Check out the new SIDI vertigo line 375 a pop there Pre-order only -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:17 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: race boots I'm looking for some top quality race calibre riding boots... what's the latest and greatest protection wise.. (and where is teh best place to order them from) i'm not worried about price as eventually insurance is going to pay for them when i wreck and scuff them up LOL - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:31:22 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:31:15 -0400 From: Robert To: Daniel Subject: Re: race boots Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Vendramini. If you like the full-on race look, get a model with stainles steel/carbon fiber, otherwise the model 498 Marathon. Hands down the most comfortable moto boot I've ever worn with this level of protection. Did I mention they are waterproof too? ;-) http://www.vendramini.com/dynamic/en/home.php (And other US dealers; I got mine from Bikerworld USA) Of course, if price is absolutely no object, the Frey-Daytona Security Boot is the class leader. A mere 1029.00 with extra "outer shell..." http://www.helimot.com/catalog/boots/boots_security_data.shtml Robert On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:17:02 -0400, Daniel wrote: > I'm looking for some top quality race calibre riding boots... > what's the latest and greatest protection wise.. (and where is teh > best place to order them from) > > i'm not worried about price as eventually insurance is going to pay > for them when i wreck and scuff them up LOL > > - Danny > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:32:04 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:31:48 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Daniel CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: race boots Daniel wrote: > I'm looking for some top quality race calibre riding boots... > what's the latest and greatest protection wise.. (and where is teh > best place to order them from) Best boot made: Daytona Security Evo boot. ~$600 Below that, I'd recommend the Alpinestars SuperTech boot (Which I wear - we sell them for $296) or the Sidi Vertebrae Race (which I used to wear their old model, we sell them for I *think* $330, would need to double check). - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:32:28 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruiser gear Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:20:24 -0400 PERFORATED leather. I don't have a suit, but I do have a jacket, over 25mph feels like I'm wearing a Tshirt, but it doesn't fly up my back. When I first started riding I bought a used jean jacket from the thrift store for the summer. Perforated leather breathes SOOOOOOO much better. I have "mesh" pants in addition to my Draggin Jeans. Joe Rocket Phoenix, they breathe as well as the perforated leather. I wear them over shorts in the summer. Nice overpants for the office, for those that commute. I don't like the "look" of my Draggin Jeans, damn things are tight, I feel like a cowboy. I never liked the look of jeans jackets either, gave mine away once I got the perforated leather jacket. >From: Mike Bartman >To: "Paul Hutchins" , >Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:00:43 -0400 > >Cost, hassle, and lack of knowledge of the alternatives? > >I have nothing against protection. It's good to have...provided that the >downsides don't outweigh the upsides...and where that happens will vary >from person to person. I'm not going to put on a full leather suit in >summer, even if it will protect me better than a synthetic jacket will. On >the other hand, if two jackets are equally cool (thermal use), well >designed and comfortable, but one provides far more protection, even at a >higher cost, I'll go with the more protection one in a heartbeat. Why >wouldn't I? > >Based on the magazines I've read, and the moto gear dealers I've been to, >it appeared that there were three basic choices for pants: jeans, Draggin' >Jeans, and something over jeans (chaps, leather pants, or a "snowmobile >suit" type riding suit). Given that choice, I went with leather pants for >cold weather and jeans for hot. Now that the padded and abrasion-resistant >jeans-like option has appeared here in the last couple of days, I'm looking >into that. I wasn't aware of it previously, but it looks like a better >option than jeans, though more expensive (like four times as much). As you >say, the cost is worth it, and they aren't unaffordable, even if not as >cheap as jeans. Unless there's some serious downside that I'm not aware >of, they look like a much better option than jeans are, and owning a pair >or two seems like a good idea. > >The next question is where to get them. There seems to be a difference of >opinion about which source is the one to go to/avoid. Roach's opinions >seemed pretty reasonable about Bohn, but the counter-point scored some >points too. Jury is still out, and more experience-based data would be >nice to see if anyone has some. _________________________________________________________________ Don)Bt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:35:03 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruiser gear Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:34:54 -0400 BTW, my peft jacket is a simple solid black, no flashy Power Ranger colors. >From: "rich hall" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: cruiser gear >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:20:24 -0400 > >PERFORATED leather. I don't have a suit, but I do have a jacket, over >25mph feels like I'm wearing a Tshirt, but it doesn't fly up my back. When >I first started riding I bought a used jean jacket from the thrift store >for the summer. Perforated leather breathes SOOOOOOO much better. >I have "mesh" pants in addition to my Draggin Jeans. Joe Rocket Phoenix, >they breathe as well as the perforated leather. I wear them over shorts in >the summer. Nice overpants for the office, for those that commute. >I don't like the "look" of my Draggin Jeans, damn things are tight, I feel >like a cowboy. I never liked the look of jeans jackets either, gave mine >away once I got the perforated leather jacket. > >>From: Mike Bartman >>To: "Paul Hutchins" , >>Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear >>Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:00:43 -0400 >> >>Cost, hassle, and lack of knowledge of the alternatives? >> >>I have nothing against protection. It's good to have...provided that the >>downsides don't outweigh the upsides...and where that happens will vary >>from person to person. I'm not going to put on a full leather suit in >>summer, even if it will protect me better than a synthetic jacket will. >>On >>the other hand, if two jackets are equally cool (thermal use), well >>designed and comfortable, but one provides far more protection, even at a >>higher cost, I'll go with the more protection one in a heartbeat. Why >>wouldn't I? >> >>Based on the magazines I've read, and the moto gear dealers I've been to, >>it appeared that there were three basic choices for pants: jeans, Draggin' >>Jeans, and something over jeans (chaps, leather pants, or a "snowmobile >>suit" type riding suit). Given that choice, I went with leather pants for >>cold weather and jeans for hot. Now that the padded and >>abrasion-resistant >>jeans-like option has appeared here in the last couple of days, I'm >>looking >>into that. I wasn't aware of it previously, but it looks like a better >>option than jeans, though more expensive (like four times as much). As >>you >>say, the cost is worth it, and they aren't unaffordable, even if not as >>cheap as jeans. Unless there's some serious downside that I'm not aware >>of, they look like a much better option than jeans are, and owning a pair >>or two seems like a good idea. >> >>The next question is where to get them. There seems to be a difference of >>opinion about which source is the one to go to/avoid. Roach's opinions >>seemed pretty reasonable about Bohn, but the counter-point scored some >>points too. Jury is still out, and more experience-based data would be >>nice to see if anyone has some. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don)Bt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________ Don)Bt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:35:53 2004 Subject: Bike Week Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:35:36 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Anyone interested in riding up: http://www.delmarvabikeweek.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:36:07 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:17:17 -0400 To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 01:29 PM 8/12/04 -0400, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >road. But, I do have a problem with people, like yourself, who seem to go >out of their way to try to convince everyone else that wearing gear is >uncool. I can, and will, disagree. Where did I ever say that wearing gear is "uncool"??? Please point it out, as I don't remember ever saying such a thing. I've said, more than once on this list, that you should wear whatever gear you are comfortable with. That protection is good, but that there are tradeoffs involved, and how you decide is a personal thing based on your own needs and concerns. Some opt for full race-grade leathers every time they ride. That's fine with me. Some opt for helmetless T-shirt mode. That's fine with me too. I don't choose to adopt either extreme when I ride, and I'm well aware of the potential consequences, just as I am of those of riding in the first place, rather than driving an H2 or Mac Semi. What I did finally get tired of was the attitude displayed by more than a couple here that anything less than whatever level *they* find adequate is "stupid", "immature", or other pejorative terms, and worthy of ridicule. Just because they can't imagine an outlook that would be comfortable with less than their own chosen gear doesn't make that outlook any less valid or "wrong" than their own. Different people have different concerns, abilities, riding habits and styles, riding locations, etc., and that leads to different levels of risk and of risk tolerance. Ridiculing people for choosing differently is just rude, and I had enough of it and decided to reverse the situation to make a point. The gear that these elitists choose isn't the best *possible* gear, so they are guilty of doing the same thing that they ridicule others for: picking less than the absolute best possible solution, and finding it personally acceptable despite there being some risk left. Risk that they are willing to accept for the benefits they derive from the activity. They are at a different point on the risk curve, but otherwise they are no different from the people they make fun of...and they just can't seem to see this on their own. So I tried to help. Some may get it, most probably won't. So be it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:36:26 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:34:16 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear At 02:04 PM 8/12/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >>I agree with you. The only utility I've found for loud >>pipes is that when riding in a group, if the leader has >>them, everyone knows when to accelerate > >[Dave] That's a double edged sword. If the group leader >screws up... So will the rest of the 'herd'... That's where the primary rule comes in: Ride your own ride. The sound of the leader's pipes are just data, not a commandment from on high. It is double edged though, as I said...following loud pipes gets old real fast. >>I swapped the slipons on my bike, but not for volume. I did >>it to change the tone and get a few more H.P.. They aren't >>much louder than they were before. > >[Dave] Noise doesn't make horsepower. Correct...it's actually a sign of inefficiency. A 100% efficient motor would be totally silent, turning all fuel energy into motion. You can't get there in this universe though. The majority of fuel energy goes into waste heat, vibration and other side effects. I think that gasoline engines are lucky if they can get up to 20-something% efficiency. Where the extra H.P. from the new slipons comes from is from less resistance to exhaust gas flow. Less resistance means the exhaust flows out more easily, making the engine waste less H.P. pumping it out. Less resistance doesn't have to mean more noise though. The other parts of the equation involve less resistance on the intake side and maybe an adjustment to the mixture to keep it from getting too lean. >If you like the bike, then you made the right choice for you. We can agree on that anyway. ;-) I don't have as many choices as most people do. 90% of the bikes out there won't fit me, and can't be made to. The remaining 10% are either close enough to endure, or can be modified fairly easily to fit comfortably. Mine is in the "easily modified" group. There was a big BMW that was in the "close enough to endure" group, but I decided to go with "comfortable once modified" instead. One of these days, if I learn enough and have the time (and money), I may build a bike to my scale. That means bigger in every way by about 12%. Doesn't sound like much, but it is a huge difference in fit. >I can certainly >appreciate most of the fine 2 wheeled machines out there, but >the drag pipe equipped HD's are right up there with the Honda >Civic with fart can exhaust... The "angry bee in a can" sound? Yeah, we've agreed again... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:45:13 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "Brian Roach" , "Daniel" Cc: Subject: Re: race boots Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:44:56 -0400 I've lusted after a pair of Security Evos for a long time. I thought they were more like $750 (for those of us who don't get wholesaler discounts...). I can't spend that much on a single pair of boots though. I've got a pair of Daytona Roadstar GTX boots for the colder months - I think they are hands down the most comfortable motogear ever developed. Daytona boots are definitely 5 stars. I can't find their brand of leather cleaner anywhere. Do you guys sell it (Brian, your still at Speedwerks right?)? -Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: "Daniel" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: Re: race boots > Daniel wrote: > > I'm looking for some top quality race calibre riding boots... > > what's the latest and greatest protection wise.. (and where is teh > > best place to order them from) > > Best boot made: Daytona Security Evo boot. ~$600 > [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:46:40 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruiser gear -----Original Message----- From: rich hall ... I don't like the "look" of my Draggin Jeans, damn things are tight, I feel like a cowboy. I never liked the look of jeans jackets either, gave mine away once I got the perforated leather jacket. ....... I've found jeans just too uncomfortable for more than an hour, under the textile riding pants, especially on a bike with the least bit aggressive seating position. The fabric is too bulky, tends to bunch up at the hips and knees and it doesn't give. Light loose fitting cotton pants I find to be best if you care what you look like when you step out of the textile riding wear on arrival. Lycra cycling shorts and/or tights if you don't care. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:49:51 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:49:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I really don't care how big of a splat mark you personally make on the > > road. But, I do have a problem with people, like yourself, who seem to go > > out of their way to try to convince everyone else that wearing gear is > > uncool. I can, and will, disagree. > > ok, I'll bite. Then why is it ok for you to go out of your > way to convince people who don't dress to your level of protection to be labeled as immature? pot-kettle-black IMHO. I don't believe that's what I've argued at all, first off, and second, if you can actually tell me whats wrong with advocating wearing gear (which is completely different from legislating wearing it), and, at the same time, do a convincing compare and contrast of that, with promoting the mentality that wearing gear is uncool, we can have a conversation. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 14:55:42 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Week -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Anyone interested in riding up: http://www.delmarvabikeweek.com/ -------- Probably not. Looking at the web site, the sponsor logos start with Harley-Davidson, followed by Budweiser. No offense intended, but that should give you a good idea of the event's focus. FWIW, as far as local bike events, I'm saving a kitchen pass for this.... http://www.italianmotofest.com/ Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:09:56 2004 Subject: Insurance Woes Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:09:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I have a friend with the following driving record - 2 speeding tickets (9) above late '03 - 1 speeding ticket (19) above on bike early 04 - 1 suspension late payment property tax **was insured with State Farm - did not pay premium on time for car so they are not allowing them to renew - got letter informing that they cannot renew motorcycle policy (separate) as of October - friend is VA resident Any advice is appreciated, as as of October will have no coverage From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:11:22 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:11:01 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Paul Hutchins CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: race boots Paul Hutchins wrote: > I've lusted after a pair of Security Evos for a long time. I thought they > were more like $750 (for those of us who don't get wholesaler discounts...). With the exchange rates the way they are, you're probably right - I haven't looked them up for a while. > I can't find their brand of leather cleaner anywhere. Do you guys sell it > (Brian, your still at Speedwerks right?)? Nope, sorry ... don't actually deal in their stuff. And yeah ... still at SpeedWerks, more than ever. We just expanded the shop by 1300 sq feet and are about to launch the new e-commerce site, etc.... I don't see much more than my bed and the shop lately :) - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:21:38 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:21:31 -0400 > > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > Date: 2004/08/12 Thu PM 02:49:43 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > I really don't care how big of a splat mark you personally make on the > > > road. But, I do have a problem with people, like yourself, who seem to go > > > out of their way to try to convince everyone else that wearing gear is > > > uncool. I can, and will, disagree. > > > > ok, I'll bite. Then why is it ok for you to go out of your > > way to convince people who don't dress to your level of protection to be labeled as immature? pot-kettle-black IMHO. > > I don't believe that's what I've argued at all, first off, and second, if > you can actually tell me whats wrong with advocating wearing gear (which is > completely different from legislating wearing it), and, at the same time, > do a convincing compare and contrast of that, with promoting the mentality > that wearing gear is uncool, we can have a conversation. I don't have an issue with advocating wearing gear, however I *do* take issue that if someone doesn't wear what you, personally, have deemed appropriate then somehow, by your standards, they're immature. Someone else may look at YOU and comment that you don't dress safely enough. Does that make YOU immature? I dress to my level of comfort. If that doesn't fit anyone elses idea of safety or protection, well, that's a personal issue they'll have to deal with. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:24:24 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Bike Week Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:24:16 -0400 > FWIW, as far as local bike events, I'm saving a kitchen pass for this.... > > http://www.italianmotofest.com/ Absolutely! A great place to ride to, with lotsa nice roads in every direction, a pleasant little park with a ton of beautiful bikes. Unfortunately, I'll probably be in the air going to Denver on Business that day :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:28:52 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Insurance Woes Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:28:45 -0400 > - got letter informing that they cannot renew motorcycle policy > (separate) as of October > - friend is VA resident > > Any advice is appreciated, as as of October will have no coverage Yee Haw! - Three (legal) options (lotsa illegal ones). 1. Get insurance with someone else 2. Pay the $500.00 per vehicle and drive bare. 3. Turn the plates in and (a) walk, (b) public transport, (c) 50cc moped/scooter, (d) mooch off friends. Michael J. (been there a loooooooong time ago) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:30:07 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:30:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Insurance Woes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Julian laments the woes of "a friend"... > >I have a friend with the following driving record >- 2 speeding tickets (9) above late '03 >- 1 speeding ticket (19) above on bike early 04 >- 1 suspension late payment property tax > >**was insured with State Farm >- did not pay premium on time for car so they are not >allowing them to renew >- got letter informing that they cannot renew motorcycle >policy (separate) as of October >- friend is VA resident > >Any advice is appreciated, as as of October will have no >coverage [Dave] hmm... I work in computers, and in geek speak, it sounds to me like your friend is ... a word that rhymes with "plucked". I learned long ago that insurance is a necessary evil. The only way to insulate yourself from being repeatedly penalized for behavior which has absolutely nothing to do with your propensity to cause of be involved in loss accidents is to 1: Always ask for a warning and 2: vigorously defend your driving record whenever required. That $500 traffic lawyer doesn't sound so bad after you get assessed a $300 / year 'not so great a driver' surcharge...for the next 3-5 years. This lesson often must be learned the hard way... sadly, I had to learn it that way too. Tell your friend to hit up the yellow pages, flip to the "insurance" entry and start letting your...err your friend's fingers do the walking. Call all of them, even other state farm agents. If your friend can produce an MSF certificate, all the better, some companies discount for it, as well as AMA membership. Your friend may also be able to deflect some of this by taking a driver safety class. They're probably looking at some sort of high risk policy for the next few years, and tell your friend to not be surprised if the cage policy gets adjusted up too. Tell your friend I wish them good luck. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:39:45 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:21:31 -0400 > From: adamme1@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > > > > > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > > Date: 2004/08/12 Thu PM 02:49:43 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > > > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > I really don't care how big of a splat mark you personally make on the > > > > road. But, I do have a problem with people, like yourself, who seem to go > > > > out of their way to try to convince everyone else that wearing gear is > > > > uncool. I can, and will, disagree. > > > > > > ok, I'll bite. Then why is it ok for you to go out of your > > > way to convince people who don't dress to your level of protection to be labeled as immature? pot-kettle-black IMHO. > > > > I don't believe that's what I've argued at all, first off, and second, if > > you can actually tell me whats wrong with advocating wearing gear (which is > > completely different from legislating wearing it), and, at the same time, > > do a convincing compare and contrast of that, with promoting the mentality > > that wearing gear is uncool, we can have a conversation. > > > I don't have an issue with advocating wearing gear, however I *do* take > issue that if someone doesn't wear what you, personally, have deemed > appropriate then somehow, by your standards, they're immature. That's great, but it isn't what I was arguing. I was arguing that Mike's belittlement of so called "safety-firsters" and his suggestion that they should wear the sumo-suit if they're so concered with safety, was an immature attitute. It has nothing to do with what you or he chooses to wear, and everything about his apparent "safety conscious isn't cool" advocacy. > Someone else may look at YOU and comment that you don't dress safely > enough. Does that make YOU immature? Maybe they have, and maybe that has caused me mature a bit and to re-evaluate my choices. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:57:20 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.182) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Aug 2004 19:56:43 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:56:42 -0500 Subject: OT: Cooling off period OK, everyone take a deep breath and cool it with the insults. To distract yourself, watch this clip: http://www.eatmail.tv/_dreamteam [Marginally not safe for work if your boss has sharp eyes. Requires high bandwidth connection.] This could make soccer the major league sport in the U.S. that 'football' is in the rest of the world. I know I'd watch. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 15:59:42 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:59:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ItalianMotoFest, Re: Bike Week -----Original Message----- From: mjordan812@XXXXXX > FWIW, as far as local bike events, I'm saving a kitchen pass for this.... > > http://www.italianmotofest.com/ Absolutely! A great place to ride to, with lotsa nice roads in every direction, a pleasant little park with a ton of beautiful bikes. Unfortunately, I'll probably be in the air going to Denver on Business that day :-( Michael J. ----- Had a great time last year, a nice ride out and saw a lot of bikes that you don't see very often. Good food, nice selection of door prizes, too. Our own Carl Custer scored a Shoei RF-1000 helmet as a door prize last year. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 16:41:46 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:41:38 -0400 > > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > Date: 2004/08/12 Thu PM 03:39:38 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: cruiser gear > >> That's great, but it isn't what I was arguing. I was arguing that Mike's > belittlement of so called "safety-firsters" and his suggestion that they > should wear the sumo-suit if they're so concered with safety, was an > immature attitute. It has nothing to do with what you or he chooses to > wear, and everything about his apparent "safety conscious isn't cool" > advocacy. ..I didn't take his comment as anything more than tongue firmly implanted in cheek. Apparently you read much more into it. > > > Someone else may look at YOU and comment that you don't dress safely > > enough. Does that make YOU immature? > > Maybe they have, and maybe that has caused me mature a bit and to > re-evaluate my choices. ..see? There you go again. It's probably just me but as soon as you make a statement I fully agree with, you come back with a statement that wearing more gear somehow makes you more mature. If *that* was the case, I witnessed a whole flock of one wheel in the air mature riders doing 90+ on 95N just last weekend. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 18:13:06 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:12:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Soggy Hope all y'all who rode to work today remembered your rain gear, unlike a "friend" of mine who's about to get drenched on the way home. ;-) Motoport Ultra II is wonderful stuff, but waterproof it is not, without the waterproof liners. The worst part are all the f^ckwits who insist on turtling along, (omigod it *is* raining isn't it?!) making the trip longer than usual. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 18:30:26 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Torque rules! ;-) On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > I also keep the revs very low until I'm out on the highway to limit noise > even further. With the sort of low-end torque a V-twin makes, that's > easily possible. I don't need 6000 RPM to get enough oomph to move me like > some sport bikes seem to. They may have two or three times the H.P, but > they don't have a whole lot more torque (not more than 50% more for a bike > with three times the H.P. from what dyno charts I've seen), and what they > do have they usually don't develop until the RPMs are climbing way up > there...along with the decibels. The old adage, there is no replace for displacement, still holds true. My 1300cc sportbike makes 75ft-lbs of tq at the rear wheel at 2500 rpm, on it's way to a peak of 102ft-lbs that it carries until it gently tapers off at 8500 until it's low of 75ft-lbs again at 10,800 rpm. What's your tq monster ;-) make at the pavement, Mike? :-) The new Harleys are 1450cc, right? Obviously the smaller bikes will make less tq at lower revs, but they spin 'em higher to make more HP. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 18:33:15 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:33:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Soggy To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Pablo lluvioso Wilson laments: >Hope all y'all who rode to work today remembered your rain gear, unlike a "friend" of mine who's about to get drenched on the way home. ;-) Motoport Ultra II is wonderful stuff, but waterproof it is not, without the waterproof liners. > >The worst part are all the f^ckwits who insist on turtling along, (omigod it *is* raining isn't it?!) making the trip longer than usual. [Dave] The most disappointing aspect of this tragedy, Paul, is that with all the banter back and forth today about PROPER GEAR and if you don't wear it you're a blooming ID10T, you could have counseled your friend about the virtues of proper gear and how everybody without proper gear is MAS ESTUPIDO! ;-) Ride safe Pablo lluvio ! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 18:37:58 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:57:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Insurance Woes On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > I have a friend with the following driving record > - 2 speeding tickets (9) above late '03 > - 1 speeding ticket (19) above on bike early 04 > - 1 suspension late payment property tax > > **was insured with State Farm > - did not pay premium on time for car so they are not allowing them to > renew > - got letter informing that they cannot renew motorcycle policy > (separate) as of October > - friend is VA resident > > Any advice is appreciated, as as of October will have no coverage My advice would be, "grow up". Oh yeah and take the bus :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 18:53:54 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:53:32 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) Wayne Edelen wrote: > Obviously the smaller bikes will make less tq at lower revs, but they spin > 'em higher to make more HP. They also are able to build revs (spin up) MUCH faster due to lightweight materials (read: not steel), modern design and engineering, etc, etc, etc. A 600cc sportbike may make peak horsepower at 12k RPM, but it really doesn't take long to get there, at which point it's making well over 100hp, low torque be damned :) - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 21:24:34 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:25:08 -0400 To: Dave Yates , Paul Wilson From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Soggy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:33 PM 8/12/2004, Dave Yates wrote: >Pablo lluvioso Wilson laments: > > >Hope all y'all who rode to work today remembered your > rain >gear, unlike a "friend" of mine who's about to get >drenched >on the way home. ;-) Motoport Ultra II is wonderful >stuff, >but waterproof it is not, without the waterproof liners. > > > >The worst part are all the f^ckwits who insist on > turtling >along, (omigod it *is* raining isn't it?!) making the trip > >longer than usual. > >[Dave] The most disappointing aspect of this tragedy, >Paul, >is that with all the banter back and forth today about >PROPER >GEAR and if you don't wear it you're a blooming ID10T, you > >could have counseled your friend about the virtues of >proper >gear and how everybody without proper gear is MAS >ESTUPIDO! >;-) no no Dave, not just merely stupid..but immature as well! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 23:21:21 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Brian Roach , Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:22:01 -0400 I love the V4 cause it has the both of best world. I agree with Brian, it doesn't take longs to hit the high RPM's. Especailly with close ratio transmissions. I had a Vtwin for my first bike and it was awesome. Only 650 but still a nice engine. Howerver, I love the high RPM's. Someday I will have to get a big displacement I4 (FJR1300.) I am sure thats a nice engine too. Anyone here ride a Suzuki TLR1000 or a Vstrom 996? I here thats a sweet VTwin. Rob On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:53:32 -0400, Brian Roach wrote > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > Obviously the smaller bikes will make less tq at lower revs, but they spin > > 'em higher to make more HP. > > They also are able to build revs (spin up) MUCH faster due to > lightweight materials (read: not steel), modern design and > engineering, etc, etc, etc. > > A 600cc sportbike may make peak horsepower at 12k RPM, but it really > doesn't take long to get there, at which point it's making well over > 100hp, low torque be damned :) > > - Roach > > -- > http://www.speedwerks.com > The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! > (302) 672 - 7223 -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 12 23:30:53 2004 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:30:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) Rob wrote: >Anyone here ride a Suzuki TLR1000 or a Vstrom 996? I here thats a sweet >VTwin. Ridden my Dad's V-Strom and his GSX1100-G back to back, and the GSX actually feels more torquey - the V-Strom actually likes to be revved more. It is a very smooth revving motor though, power is fairly linear, but when you get it on it, it definitely takes off. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 00:05:02 2004 Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) From: lister lynch To: Rob Sharp Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:04:22 -0400 Been riding the VTR1000 (996) lately (read: V2, torque monster), and in all honesty find that I like the VFR750 V4 better for all-round driveability. Take this evening for example. I was frikkin all over the road on the VTR, upshifting, downshifting, whatever, slip-slidin away. Sure, subtle, but there. The V4 would have been smoother on the on-off throttle transitions, not to mention would have been more manageable in the traffic that ensued. Don't get me wrong, the VTR is a fantastic bike to play hooligan on and wag the front wheel, but torque isn't the end all be all when it comes to riding the thing in everyday, real world environments. Mike On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 23:22, Rob Sharp wrote: > I love the V4 cause it has the both of best world. > > I agree with Brian, it doesn't take longs to hit the high RPM's. Especailly > with close ratio transmissions. > > I had a Vtwin for my first bike and it was awesome. Only 650 but still a nice > engine. Howerver, I love the high RPM's. Someday I will have to get a big > displacement I4 (FJR1300.) I am sure thats a nice engine too. > > Anyone here ride a Suzuki TLR1000 or a Vstrom 996? I here thats a sweet VTwin. > > Rob > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:53:32 -0400, Brian Roach wrote > > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > > > Obviously the smaller bikes will make less tq at lower revs, but they spin > > > 'em higher to make more HP. > > > > They also are able to build revs (spin up) MUCH faster due to > > lightweight materials (read: not steel), modern design and > > engineering, etc, etc, etc. > > > > A 600cc sportbike may make peak horsepower at 12k RPM, but it really > > doesn't take long to get there, at which point it's making well over > > 100hp, low torque be damned :) > > > > - Roach > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 07:07:22 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:05:19 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) Rob Sharp wrote: >Anyone here ride a Suzuki TLR1000 or a Vstrom 996? I here thats a sweet VTwin. > >Rob > > > I ride the VTR (Vstrom) almost daily ( weekends too ). I've owned VFR ('86), very nice smooth but usable power. I find it better on the street, power anywhere - wrong gear? Doesn't matter twist and go. I find it safer as I don't have to have the tach up in the teens ( ok redline is 9.5, but still ) to have fun. But WFO, oh my. It feels like it wants to tear the asphalt off the ground. And for what it is (not a race replica) its a very good bike. Tom de '98 VTR >-- >Rob Sharp >rob@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 07:15:15 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:13:19 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) lister lynch wrote: >Been riding the VTR1000 (996) lately (read: V2, torque monster), and in >all honesty find that I like the VFR750 V4 better for all-round >driveability. > >Take this evening for example. I was frikkin all over the road on the >VTR, upshifting, downshifting, whatever, slip-slidin away. Sure, >subtle, but there. The V4 would have been smoother on the on-off >throttle transitions, not to mention would have been more manageable in >the traffic that ensued. > > This is not a problem of the V-twin. The VTR's throttle is very responsive, or too sensitive depending on your point view. It takes some practice and time, but making smooth throttle movements can be done. Actually torque is probably better in low traction situations. >Don't get me wrong, the VTR is a fantastic bike to play hooligan on and >wag the front wheel, but torque isn't the end all be all when it comes >to riding the thing in everyday, real world environments. > > > I ride almost everyday, in the cold, rain, etc. I have no issues with poor weather riding. That is until the tires get bad. Again I think you opinon maybe caused by the throttle response and not the torque. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 07:17:51 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:15:55 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Soggy Paul Wilson wrote: >The worst part are all the f^ckwits who insist on turtling along, (omigod it *is* raining isn't it?!) making the trip longer than usual. > > > And this makes you soggier(sp) than you might be if f^ckwits would just keep there speed up (safely, not ridiculously slow) Tom de '98 VTR > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 08:58:34 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:58:25 -0400 From: Robert To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Insurance Woes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Julian; My assumption here is that your friend is interested in continuing insurance on both vehicles. If so, he/she should be able to shop around for a combined insurance package, possibly adding home/renter's insurance (with flood coverage!) to sweeten the deal. In my limited experience, insurance companies are more likely to offer decent rates when the insured carries a full range of coverage. I currently have renter's, car (new) and motorcycle; my recent driving record is similar to your friend's, and I pay 103.00 a month for the combined package. Regards, Robert On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:09:39 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > I have a friend with the following driving record > - 2 speeding tickets (9) above late '03 > - 1 speeding ticket (19) above on bike early 04 > - 1 suspension late payment property tax > > **was insured with State Farm > - did not pay premium on time for car so they are not allowing them to > renew > - got letter informing that they cannot renew motorcycle policy > (separate) as of October > - friend is VA resident > > Any advice is appreciated, as as of October will have no coverage > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 09:26:26 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:26:22 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Soggy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >And this makes you soggier(sp) than you might be if f^ckwits >would just keep there speed up (safely, not ridiculously >slow) [Dave] 'tis a double edged sword... We've a lot of transplants from other areas where they just don't experience the level of traffic we have, and the transplants are somewhat...overhwelmed. Let's not forget the blue-hair contingent, and the import/fart-can crowd. We're also relatively poorly skilled, not to mention the fact that some of us don't wear the proper gear ;-). The equation is already pretty unbalanced. Often times I think that around here, rain is worse than snow because at least when it snows, people who know better than to test their average driving skills (me included) in snow... Nobody stays home for rain. I think I'd rather they just get out of my way rather than speed up... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 09:44:41 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 06:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Soggy -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates >And this makes you soggier(sp) than you might be if f^ckwits >would just keep there speed up (safely, not ridiculously >slow) [Dave] 'tis a double edged sword... We've a lot of transplants from other areas where they just don't experience the level of traffic we have, and the transplants are somewhat...overhwelmed. --- Said transplants are often overwhelmed by sunny, warm and dry. To wit: radio reports of sun delays on inbound 66 in the mornings. --- Often times I think that around here, rain is worse than snow because at least when it snows, people who know better than to test their average driving skills (me included) in snow... Nobody stays home for rain. I think I'd rather they just get out of my way rather than speed up... Dave Yates ---- Then you have the ding-dongs who should slow down, but don't, especially when they zoom through deep standing water and send up huge plumes of same into the adjacent lane. DAMHIK. BTW, Amigo Mojado made it home quite safe and sound last time. His mother always did say he didn't have enough sense to come in out of the rain. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 11:28:34 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:28:30 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) At 06:49 PM 8/12/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >The old adage, there is no replace for displacement, still holds true. My >1300cc sportbike makes 75ft-lbs of tq at the rear wheel at 2500 rpm, on >it's way to a peak of 102ft-lbs that it carries until it gently tapers off >at 8500 until it's low of 75ft-lbs again at 10,800 rpm. > >What's your tq monster ;-) make at the pavement, Mike? :-) The new >Harleys are 1450cc, right? Yeah, stock is about that (88 C.I. works out to 1442.06 cc, but I'm not sure how much rounding was done to get the "88"). I haven't dyno'd mine, before or after the aircleaner and slipon changes, but according to the charts I've seen, the stock TC88 should be somewhere around 60 HP at 5000 RPM (rev limiter cuts in at about 5800), and ~70 ft/lbs, starting with 60 at 2K, hitting 70 at 3K, and tapering off to 50 at the rev limit. With the air cleaner, slipons and ECU tuner on mine, it should make an extra 10 or 12 HP, and about the same increase in ft/lbs, with the rev limit at 6000 RPM...but I'll have to dyno it to know for sure. So it would appear that your bike, which, if memory serves, has at least twice the peak H.P. of mine or a bit more than that, has only about a third more torque, and has to rev considerably higher to get it. Non-stock H-D engines make a lot more. How much more depends on how non-stock they are. ;-) For instance, one of our road captains (with loud pipes) has a Fat Boy (98 I think it is, but I'm not sure) with a 103 stroker kit, as well as some other changes. He's dyno'd it at 110 H.P. with 111 ft/lbs at the rear wheel. That's all with H-D parts and mods (Screamin' Eagle stuff). There's a guy I saw on one of the bike shows on TV (I seem to remember the name "Bill Parot", but I'm not certain about that...he's a long time NASCAR crew chief and mechanic) who has done even more mods, mostly custom stuff he built himself (including nitrous injection), who gets around 175 H.P. out of his H-D engine (and I think it's an Evo, not a TC88). The torque numbers stay pretty close to the HP numbers on these engines too. >Obviously the smaller bikes will make less tq at lower revs, but they spin >'em higher to make more HP. Yep...which means they can go fast, but not necessarily accelerate fast. At least not as fast as you might expect from the HP figures. Same happens in import cars when compared to muscle cars of the past with similar HP ratings. the higher torque numbers of the muscle cars works out to lower ETs at the strip. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 11:37:21 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:36:36 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Soggy At 06:44 AM 8/13/04 -0700, Paul Wilson wrote: >Said transplants are often overwhelmed by sunny, warm and dry. To wit: radio reports of sun delays on inbound 66 in the mornings. There are just too many people around here who never learned the "never live west of your job" rule. All the folks living out in Reston, Leesburg, etc., who work in the district for instance... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 13:01:48 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:01:32 EDT Subject: Re: cruiser gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/12/2004 2:37:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Where the extra H.P. from the new slipons comes from is from less > resistance to exhaust gas flow. I am more inclined to say the increase in HP (if any) is *primarily* the result of the installation of jet kits which almost always accompanies the installation of new pipes (or at least a carb adjustment.) By giving the bike its proper (talking power not EPA) mixture results in more power. And lets not forget that aftermarket pipes usually (always) weigh a lot less then stock which should improve handling as well as acceleration. But I do _not_ want to go on a 1,000mi. ride with loud pipes! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 14:13:50 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) Ah, good ole bench racing... On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > I haven't dyno'd mine, before or after the aircleaner and slipon changes, > but according to the charts I've seen, the stock TC88 should be somewhere > around 60 HP at 5000 RPM (rev limiter cuts in at about 5800), and ~70 > ft/lbs, starting with 60 at 2K, hitting 70 at 3K, and tapering off to 50 at > the rev limit. With the air cleaner, slipons and ECU tuner on mine, it > should make an extra 10 or 12 HP, and about the same increase in ft/lbs, > with the rev limit at 6000 RPM...but I'll have to dyno it to know for sure. If you got 5hp from an aircleaner and slip ons, I'd be surprised. > So it would appear that your bike, which, if memory serves, has at least > twice the peak H.P. of mine or a bit more than that, has only about a third > more torque, and has to rev considerably higher to get it. Actually, no. In the rev range your bike operates, my bike makes a higher peak at a lower RPM for tq and at your HP peak of 5000rpm at 60hp, my bike is making ~90hp and the same tq (5252rpm and obviously still rising). Is your 60hp a crank # or at the wheel? My peak HP is 166 at the wheel, so I would guess that works out to about 180hp at the crank. Again, my whole point of this is that there are sportbikes that have more tq down low than the big twin Harleys and we don't have to rev them to the moon to make silly hp/tq :-) > Yep...which means they can go fast, but not necessarily accelerate fast. No, you just have to slip the clutch to get them moving. Once moving, they never drop out of their powerband, so they are very fast. > At least not as fast as you might expect from the HP figures. Same happens > in import cars when compared to muscle cars of the past with similar HP > ratings. the higher torque numbers of the muscle cars works out to lower > ETs at the strip. Way too many factors to consider there, but suffice to say other than a small handful of cars, most of the musclecars weren't very fast. A new Dodge Neon SRT-4 would run with or beat most of those V8 tq monsters :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 14:45:34 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: cruiser gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/2004 2:37:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > Where the extra H.P. from the new slipons comes from is from less > > resistance to exhaust gas flow. > > I am more inclined to say the increase in HP (if any) is *primarily* the > > result of the installation of jet kits which almost always accompanies > the > installation of new pipes (or at least a carb adjustment.) Unlikely since I believe Mike has fuel injection. Of course, an EFI adjustment which takes in to account more air both in and out would probably be similar to a new jet kit/carb adjustment. > By giving the > bike its > proper (talking power not EPA) mixture results in more power. And lets > not forget > that aftermarket pipes usually (always) weigh a lot less then stock > which > should improve handling as well as acceleration. Mmm, I dunno. The Harley slipons also changed out the exhaust return hollow pipe to a solid mounting bar and I'm not so sure that the weight changed all that much, at least on my slipons. Now if you go with drag pipes then yea, I agree. They will be lighter. > > But I do _not_ want to go on a 1,000mi. ride with loud pipes! Why? With my louder pipes (not drag pipes but certainly louder than stock) I can't really hear them on the freeway. I have more of a problem with the wind noise around the helmet than the pipe noise, even on the 'busa with a full face helmet. I wear earplugs when riding both to keep the wind noise to a minimum. Better would be not riding _behind_ someone with loud pipes on a 1000 mile ride. That I agree with and is why I stay behind Rita on her bike. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 16:13:24 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:13:12 -0400 From: Brian Roach CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Of power, torque, and slip ons ... Slip ons: You get power with a slip-on. You get more power with a slip-on and re-jetting / FI remapping. Today's stock exhaust systems are incredibly restrictive to meet DOT/EPA - just slapping on a slip-on will generally net you about 2 - 5hp depending on the bike (displacement, header design, etc). You'll get another 2 - 5 with re-jetting/re-mapping (again, depending on the bike). I can post dyno graphs if anyone is interested :) Torque: Mike, you're deluding yourself. While low-end torque will help with 60-foot times off the line, everything beyond that is going to be a function of horsepower, and by then a high-revving motor will be high-revving and no longer slipping the clutch. We have customers who do 8's in the 1/4 on GSXRs at the strip. A stock 600cc sportbike can lay down 3 second 0-60mph times with a skilled rider. Same with cars ... a 3.0L BMW M3 (previous gen) does a 5.2 0-60mph. Laura's 4.6L Ford Mustang can't even come close - and it has LOADS more torque. Oh .. and Harley's NEED that much torque just to get out of their own way. They weigh 600+ lbs for cripes sake. I loved my Harley (TC88), but it was a slug except for the first 60 feet of acceleration ... even compared to my FZR400. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 16:29:42 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:28:27 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: cruiser gear At 01:01 PM 8/13/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 8/12/2004 2:37:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >omni@XXXXXX writes: > >> Where the extra H.P. from the new slipons comes from is from less >> resistance to exhaust gas flow. > >I am more inclined to say the increase in HP (if any) is *primarily* the >result of the installation of jet kits which almost always accompanies the >installation of new pipes (or at least a carb adjustment.) By giving the bike its >proper (talking power not EPA) mixture results in more power. And lets not forget >that aftermarket pipes usually (always) weigh a lot less then stock which >should improve handling as well as acceleration. You are probably right in general, but little of that applies to my bike. First, I have EFI, so no jets or carbs. Second, the slipons are the same size and weight as the ones they replaced...they are just more free flowing, and have a slightly different tip shape (the originals tapered down to half-diameter at the tip, the new ones maintain diameter, and end in a slash, aimed down). The only part that does apply to my changes is the mixture thing. The TFI box plays with the mixture, and they used an EGA to set it properly once the pipes and new air cleaner were installed. Gas mileage dropped slightly (couple of mpg), but it runs better. I've also switched to semi-synthetic oil, which has improved shifting at the very least, but I don't want to start that one again... ;-) >But I do _not_ want to go on a 1,000mi. ride with loud pipes! No argument there! Even 100 miles gets old fast. Loud pipes are for bar hoppers. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 16:45:45 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:44:52 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) At 02:32 PM 8/13/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >> So it would appear that your bike, which, if memory serves, has at least >> twice the peak H.P. of mine or a bit more than that, has only about a third >> more torque, and has to rev considerably higher to get it. > >Actually, no. In the rev range your bike operates, my bike makes a >higher peak at a lower RPM for tq and at your HP peak of 5000rpm at 60hp, >my bike is making ~90hp and the same tq (5252rpm and obviously still >rising). How is that an "actually, no"? You said your peak torque was about 102, and mine is about 70. Seems like that works out to me having ~70% of what you get. I get that at about 3K, you get it at about 5K (or did you say something different?). I've got about 65-70 HP, while you have 166 (I'd remembered 160 from prior discussions...pretty close ;-), so you have well over twice what I have. Seems like your numbers are confirming what I said, not refuting it. What am I missing here? >Is your 60hp a crank # or at the wheel? My peak HP is 166 at the wheel, >so I would guess that works out to about 180hp at the crank. Wheel. Whole bike dyno numbers, not engine dyno. >Again, my whole point of this is that there are sportbikes that have more >tq down low than the big twin Harleys and we don't have to rev them to the >moon to make silly hp/tq :-) Ok, that I can agree with...you have an example yourself. So why are so many sport bikes screaming like banshees all the time? Is yours exceptional, or are the ones I keep hearing just underpowered at the low end? What's the average situation? >> At least not as fast as you might expect from the HP figures. Same happens >> in import cars when compared to muscle cars of the past with similar HP >> ratings. the higher torque numbers of the muscle cars works out to lower >> ETs at the strip. > >Way too many factors to consider there, but suffice to say other than a >small handful of cars, most of the musclecars weren't very fast. A new >Dodge Neon SRT-4 would run with or beat most of those V8 tq monsters :-) Dream Car Garage ran a few stock, restored to "as shipped" state, late 60s muscle cars at a drag strip (show aired in the last couple of weeks). Things like '69 Camaro, '70 Baracuda, '68 Chevelle, etc.. The times ranged from 12.something to 13.something with finish speeds between 96 and 110 mph. That's the "off the showroom floor" times for these cars. What does a Dodge Neon SRT-4 do in a 1/4 mile run, stock off the showroom floor? If you want a modern muscle car you can still have one (Viper or Corvette for instance and I hear Ford has updated the Shelby Mustang), but they are no longer affordable like they were in the 60's (when they didn't cost much more than a family sedan). You can do *lots* to the old muscle cars if you want faster times of course. Cams, headers, intakes, superchargers, nitrous, bore and stroke jobs, intakes and heads, suspensions, tires, etc., etc.. Modified they did times down around 8-9 seconds sometimes...really heavily modified they might even have gotten into the 7s occasionally. My high school gym teacher had a Z-28 that he raced and did 11s all the time...and he still drove it to school! ;-) **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 16:52:07 2004 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:52:16 -0400 To: Brian Roach From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Of power, torque, and slip ons ... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 04:13 PM 8/13/04 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: > >Oh .. and Harley's NEED that much torque just to get out of their own >way. They weigh 600+ lbs for cripes sake. True enough. Mine lists at something like 860 lbs, and that's before the bag bars, passenger floorboards...and me. ;-) >I loved my Harley (TC88), but it was a slug except for the first 60 feet >of acceleration ... even compared to my FZR400. Yeah, but so what? Who am I racing? Nobody. Just wanna cruise...and torque helps reduce the need for a lot of annoying shifting on the back roads... Biggest complaint I have is for highway use. I *really* want an overdrive gear! Hearing the engine screaming for mercy at 75 MPH keeps making my foot reach for another gear that isn't there. The bike runs fine all day like that, but I would prefer a less stressful note. I learned to shift by ear, and the bike is saying "shift me!", and I can't. Maybe one of these days I'll have them put in the 6th gear set, or switch to a Baker 6 speed...not cheap, but what is on a Harley? ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 17:13:56 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:13:42 EDT Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX It started with: > it > > should make an extra 10 or 12 HP, and about the same increase in ft/lbs, > > with the rev limit at 6000 RPM...but I'll have to dyno it to know for sure. In a message dated 8/13/2004 2:14:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > If you got 5hp from an aircleaner and slip ons, I'd be surprised. > I would not be surprised at all. If you realize just how restricted, plugged up and lean Harley Vs have to be to meet EPA air and noise standards it is not surprising to see huge gains by correcting those "problems". Modern metric bikes do not have to be anywhere near as restricted to meet standards as the old Harleys. Why do you think they introduced the V Rod? I will not be long before the old (based on old) design can meet standards at all. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 17:25:17 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:25:04 EDT Subject: Re: [potomacvintageriders] mc wanted To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/13/2004 2:31:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a.forbes@XXXXXX writes: > My impression is that MSF teaches the skills needed to pass the > motorcycle license test, but is sorely lacking on basic how to start, > stop, panic stop, avoid debris in the road, etc, Really have to disagree on that one. The Basic Rider Course is all about starting, stopping (including emergency stopping,) swerving (to avoid obstacles) and how to deal with those damn car drivers (What you really need to know to operate safely on the street.) The fact that some of the exercises resemble driver test evaluations is the result of most drivers tests being based on a model provided by MSF years ago. While I agree that there is no place that you can learn bike control better then in the dirt there is no place you can learn "idiot driver" control better then an MSF course. As for needing to go into a class already knowing how to ride as well as you describe? No way! The student would be bored to death. The course is designed for beginners. Bottom line: The two are _not_ mutually exclusive, and in fact greatly enhance each other. I would encourage using _both._ John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 17:43:52 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:43:34 EDT Subject: Re: cruiser gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I said > > But I do _not_ want to go on a 1,000mi. ride with loud pipes! > In a message dated 8/13/2004 2:45:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > Why? Been there done that, thats why. When I had to have new pipes for my BMW I had them custom made to retain the stock sound level. "What do loud pipes and free doughnuts have in common?" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 21:26:12 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Metroriding (Was Re: Textiles (was Re: cruiser geae)) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:25:30 -0400 Listers observed: ... stinky leathers . . . .I've found jeans just too uncomfortable ************** Ahh, the opening for . . . . . . . . "Metroriding" Some thoughts on the essences of summer riding: I've found a comfortable and effective combination: A light, breathable jogging suit over light shorts and undershirt, and thin socks, all under a 'Stich. Office/appropo wear can be toted. An addition - a carried windbreaker with a rolled neck hood for those times when perspiration around the shoulders and neck might chill at speed (have had occasional cramping and hence a professional reco for doing this -- which reco, incidentally, pointed out that neglect/abuse of this skeletal/muscular/neuro area among bicyclists/bikers is a breeder of problems). A beaded seat cover keeps its area from cooking and sticking. Have found that Kiwi Fresh Force (drugstores) keeps me smiling at my helmet and boots. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Put some Polo on my pipes you forest glade you. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 13 21:30:58 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Gases (was Re: Re: cruiser gear) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:30:36 -0400 From: Mike Bartman . . .snip The majority of fuel energy goes into waste heat, vibration and other side effects. I think that gasoline engines are lucky if they can get up to 20-something% efficiency. *********** Going a little further - one of those shoutable gems - The September Motorcycle Consumer News p.20-21 has as concise and useful a description for the casual rider of the exhaust gas process as I've seen. In particular, "Besides determining if an engine is running rich or lean, an EGA can uncover other engine problems. . . . head gasket is leaking or you have a cracked head/cylinder . . . locate fuel leaks . . . worn rings . . .power balance test." Plus an Air/Fuel ratio graph. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > I pass clean gases and a lot of water Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 14 12:10:30 2004 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:28:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> So it would appear that your bike, which, if memory serves, has at least > >> twice the peak H.P. of mine or a bit more than that, has only about a third > >> more torque, and has to rev considerably higher to get it. > > > >Actually, no. In the rev range your bike operates, my bike makes a > >higher peak at a lower RPM for tq and at your HP peak of 5000rpm at 60hp, > >my bike is making ~90hp and the same tq (5252rpm and obviously still > >rising). > > How is that an "actually, no"? You said your peak torque was about 102, > and mine is about 70. Seems like that works out to me having ~70% of what > you get. I get that at about 3K, you get it at about 5K (or did you say > something different?). I've got about 65-70 HP, while you have 166 (I'd > remembered 160 from prior discussions...pretty close ;-), so you have well > over twice what I have. Seems like your numbers are confirming what I > said, not refuting it. What am I missing here? Sorry, I was trying to compare apples to apples and point out the variations within the operating range of your engine. Obviously I can shift at 11,000 rpm, but you can't. I was pointing out that a sportbike can (and does) make more torque than a big inch Harley twin down low. My bike is already making 75 ft-lbs at 2500 (comparing your 70@3k). > Ok, that I can agree with...you have an example yourself. So why are so > many sport bikes screaming like banshees all the time? Is yours > exceptional, or are the ones I keep hearing just underpowered at the low > end? What's the average situation? Some of it is gearing. Cruising at 90mph in sixth gear, with 16/40 gear (-1 up front), I'm around 5000 rpm. > >Way too many factors to consider there, but suffice to say other than a > >small handful of cars, most of the musclecars weren't very fast. A new > >Dodge Neon SRT-4 would run with or beat most of those V8 tq monsters :-) > > Dream Car Garage ran a few stock, restored to "as shipped" state, late 60s > muscle cars at a drag strip (show aired in the last couple of weeks). > Things like '69 Camaro, '70 Baracuda, '68 Chevelle, etc.. The times ranged > from 12.something to 13.something with finish speeds between 96 and 110 > mph. That's the "off the showroom floor" times for these cars. What does > a Dodge Neon SRT-4 do in a 1/4 mile run, stock off the showroom floor? High 13s@102. Any streetcar running in the 13s in the 60s/early 70s was pretty quick. As I mentioned, there were some standouts, but not as many as people seem to 'remember'. Also, a lot of people quote numbers that their car 'should' run, but they've never actually been to a track. > If you want a modern muscle car you can still have one (Viper or Corvette > for instance and I hear Ford has updated the Shelby Mustang), but they are > no longer affordable like they were in the 60's (when they didn't cost much > more than a family sedan). Depends on what your definition of affordable is, doesn't it? :-) You drive a Harley :-) > You can do *lots* to the old muscle cars if you want faster times of > course. Cams, headers, intakes, superchargers, nitrous, bore and stroke > jobs, intakes and heads, suspensions, tires, etc., etc.. Modified they did You can do the same thing to new cars with great results, Mike. My car weighs 3100lbs and makes over 600hp. I added headers/high flow cats/x-pipe (http://www.ls6.net/mods/lg/parts/P0002922.jpg) and this funny thing that blows air into the engine (http://www.ls6.net/misc/morethan405.jpg) ;-) > times down around 8-9 seconds sometimes...really heavily modified they > might even have gotten into the 7s occasionally. My high school gym > teacher had a Z-28 that he raced and did 11s all the time...and he still > drove it to school! ;-) You've never been to a dragstrip, have you? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 14 12:41:02 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:40:31 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792f76b91eb80b1ee4f2fe3fafedc5ede7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Some of it is gearing. Cruising at 90mph in sixth gear, with 16/40 gear > (-1 up front), I'm around 5000 rpm. [Dave] I can vouch for this somewhat... my '11 puts out 162/90 hp tq , 17x42 I ( remembering back ) think I'm around 85 at that speed ... stock is 17x45 for an 11 > > >Way too many factors to consider there, but suffice to say other than a > > >small handful of cars, most of the musclecars weren't very fast. A new > > >Dodge Neon SRT-4 would run with or beat most of those V8 tq monsters :-) > > > > Dream Car Garage ran a few stock, restored to "as shipped" state, late 60s > > muscle cars at a drag strip (show aired in the last couple of weeks). > > Things like '69 Camaro, '70 Baracuda, '68 Chevelle, etc.. The times ranged > > from 12.something to 13.something with finish speeds between 96 and 110 > > mph. That's the "off the showroom floor" times for these cars. What does > > a Dodge Neon SRT-4 do in a 1/4 mile run, stock off the showroom floor? > > High 13s@102. Any streetcar running in the 13s in the 60s/early 70s was > pretty quick. As I mentioned, there were some standouts, but not as many > as people seem to 'remember'. Also, a lot of people quote numbers that > their car 'should' run, but they've never actually been to a track. [Dave] stock ? a Neon ? with only 215 hp? The WRX is all wheel, 227 horse and does low 14's... > You've never been to a dragstrip, have you? :-) [Dave] Yeah, MIR can be humbling to the ego of your 500 hp car... dusted by a bike with less than 1/3 the horsepower... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 14 13:04:26 2004 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > > High 13s@102. Any streetcar running in the 13s in the 60s/early 70s was > > pretty quick. As I mentioned, there were some standouts, but not as many > > as people seem to 'remember'. Also, a lot of people quote numbers that > > their car 'should' run, but they've never actually been to a track. > > [Dave] stock ? a Neon ? with only 215 hp? The WRX is all wheel, 227 > horse > and does low 14's... A 2004 Neon SRT-4 has 230hp/250tq and with the new Quaife diff, puts the power down to the front tires pretty effectively. > [Dave] Yeah, MIR can be humbling to the ego of your 500 hp car... dusted > by a bike > with less than 1/3 the horsepower... Yeah, 500hp in a car doesn't buy you much. :-) Back to bikes... In the most recent Texas standing mile, the fastest cars were touching 200mph from a standing start. Rich Yancy's turbo Hayabusa busted out a 251mph pass with Scott Guthrie riding. 0-251mph in a standing mile on a streetbike is absolutely amazing to me. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 14 18:13:59 2004 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:13:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FREE racing leathers to a good home Used Fieldsheer 1-pc racing leathers (I can't remember the model name, but they were their top model a few years ago when I bought them). White/blue/black. Fully perfed plus air scoops on the shoulders. Armor in the shoulders, elbows, and knees. Padding on hips. Soft foam back padding (I wouldn't call it armor or a protector). Knee sliders. Been down on the track a couple of times, but everything is in one piece. They'll survive another get-off, but probably not more than that. If you're thinking about doing a track day, but don't have leathers and not sure if you want to make the investment, you can have these for FREE!!! That's right, FREE. I just got a new set of Alpinestars leathers and don't need this suit anymore. Because this suit has been down a couple of times, I wouldn't feel right asking money for it. So I'm willing to give it away to anyone who could use it. Size 40. Check the Fieldsheer sizing chart http://fieldsheer.com/catalog/size_chart.php?osCsid=18264a985490ddcf48a72f71e71c3c99 to see if it's your size. Will also throw in a Fieldsheer race back protector. STUFF FOR SALE (sorry, not free): Joe Rocket Phoenix 2.0 mesh jacket. Basically a year old and worn only 2-3 times. Blue/black. Small. Check the Joe Rocket sizing chart http://www.joerocket.com/catalog/size_chart.cfm to see if it's your size. Perfect dog days of summer riding jacket with perfed armor in the shoulders, elbows, and back. New $140 retail. You can have it for $80 (or make me an offer I can't refuse). Joe Rocket Atomic jeans http://www.joerocket.com/catalog/item.cfm?products_id=163. Black. Small. Can best be described as a baggy-ish cargo-style canvas jeans with armor in the hips and knees. Like my Phoenix jacket, a year old and worn only 2-3 times. New $90 retail. You can have it for $50 (or make me an offer I can't refuse). If you want both the jacket and jeans, $120 for both. Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 14 23:10:31 2004 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:08:37 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) At 12:28 PM 8/14/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >> >Way too many factors to consider there, but suffice to say other than a >> >small handful of cars, most of the musclecars weren't very fast. A new >> >Dodge Neon SRT-4 would run with or beat most of those V8 tq monsters :-) >> >> Dream Car Garage ran a few stock, restored to "as shipped" state, late 60s >> muscle cars at a drag strip (show aired in the last couple of weeks). >> Things like '69 Camaro, '70 Baracuda, '68 Chevelle, etc.. The times ranged >> from 12.something to 13.something with finish speeds between 96 and 110 >> mph. That's the "off the showroom floor" times for these cars. What does >> a Dodge Neon SRT-4 do in a 1/4 mile run, stock off the showroom floor? > >High 13s@102. Any streetcar running in the 13s in the 60s/early 70s was >pretty quick. As I mentioned, there were some standouts, but not as many >as people seem to 'remember'. They ran 8 or 9 different models from all of the major manufacturers of the time. The slowest was in the high 13s. >Also, a lot of people quote numbers that >their car 'should' run, but they've never actually been to a track. These numbers were all from a drag strip. All were run on the same day, and they had the track to themselves for the test runs, so conditions were pretty much the same as far as air temp (which was fairly high), humidity, track condition, etc.. They ran three passes with each car, with the same driver, and recorded the best one. >> If you want a modern muscle car you can still have one (Viper or Corvette >> for instance and I hear Ford has updated the Shelby Mustang), but they are >> no longer affordable like they were in the 60's (when they didn't cost much >> more than a family sedan). > >Depends on what your definition of affordable is, doesn't it? :-) You >drive a Harley :-) Yeah, but $16-$20K for a Harley, and $50K for a Viper, or $150K for that updated Shelby Mustang, are very different ranges of "affordable". I'm sure the Hummer drivers around here could handle the Viper or Corvette if they wanted one, but even some of them might have problems with the Shelby...though the Lambourgini and Masserati owners might not. >> You can do *lots* to the old muscle cars if you want faster times of >> course. Cams, headers, intakes, superchargers, nitrous, bore and stroke >> jobs, intakes and heads, suspensions, tires, etc., etc.. Modified they did > >You can do the same thing to new cars with great results, Mike. Yep, I've seen shows like "Tuner Challenge" too, but wasn't real impressed with most of their results...but they do have budget limitations, and seem to be almost as impressed with "cool" graphics, wheels, etc. as with engine and suspension mods...maybe moreso. The shows I've seen, with Hondas and Mitsubishis, etc. have been getting times like 13, 15 or even 18 seconds...for the 1/8 mile course. They usually use nitrous injection to get there. You can also put new "crate motors" in older, or new, cars and get impressive numbers. The guy on Trucks! (name escapes me at the moment) got a new Chevy crate motor that was 572 c.i., ~620 H.P. and ~650 ft/lbs out of the box. He then did things to it, like adding nitrous, and got it up closer to 1000 H.P.. He put it in his "Copperhead" project pickup truck. While it may be street legal, I don't think he plans to drive it there much. Some info and a few pics here: http://www.truckstv.com/show_details.aspx?iid=1558 No bikes though, so maybe this should die or go off list? BTW, missed all the sport bikers today for the Scrabble Scramble. Lots of cruiser riders apparently believed the weather reports too. Still had about 40 or so Harley riders show up and participate and have a good time on the 85 mile course through Montgomery County back roads, as well as a pass through NIH, and we managed to raise almost $1000 for the Children's Inn at NIH despite the weather keeping the fair-weather-riders at home today. Asside from a light sprinkle in Olney, the ride was dry...though the ride home afterward was a little damp for some. The deluge the radio folks were warning of never happened though. The weather reports these days really suck. They can't get it right even 12 hours in advance, but places like weather.com keep putting up 10 day forecasts (that change hourly...) anyway. You've got a better shot at knowing whether it's going to be a dry ride by looking at the 600 mile Doppler yourself, then looking out the window... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 15 00:43:24 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Dave Yates" , Subject: Re: Torque rules! ;-) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:44:06 -0400 Chevy is putting out a Supercharged Ecotec 2.0 in their new Cobalt, that is supposed to have good potential. I been thinking about getting one of them when they come out. Kinda nice to see chevy trying to get into the SportCompact market. Wish it came with a 6 speed... http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/#ss_supercharged > [Dave] stock ? a Neon ? with only 215 hp? The WRX is all wheel, 227 > horse > and does low 14's... > > > You've never been to a dragstrip, have you? :-) > > [Dave] Yeah, MIR can be humbling to the ego of your 500 hp car... dusted > by a bike > with less than 1/3 the horsepower... -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 15 09:51:50 2004 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:51:46 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FREE racing leathers to a good home I've had three responses for my offer of free racing leathers and I'm going to take them in the order I received them: Kirk Roy Patrick Carter Thomas Jordan For those who are wondering about the sizing. I'm ~5'8" and weigh ~145 pounds. I wear a 36 regular suit, 32 inch sleeve length, 31 inch waist, and 30 inch inseam. I'd say I'm at the upper "limit" of the sizing of the suit. Chuck >>From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX >>Date: 2004/08/14 Sat PM 06:13:55 EDT >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: FREE racing leathers to a good home >> >>Used Fieldsheer 1-pc racing leathers (I can't remember the model name, but they >>were their top model a few years ago when I bought them). White/blue/black. Fully >>perfed plus air scoops on the shoulders. Armor in the shoulders, elbows, and knees. >>Padding on hips. Soft foam back padding (I wouldn't call it armor or a protector). >>Knee sliders. Been down on the track a couple of times, but everything is in one >>piece. They'll survive another get-off, but probably not more than that. If you're >>thinking about doing a track day, but don't have leathers and not sure if you want >>to make the investment, you can have these for FREE!!! That's right, FREE. I just >>got a new set of Alpinestars leathers and don't need this suit anymore. Because >>this suit has been down a couple of times, I wouldn't feel right asking money for >>it. So I'm willing to give it away to anyone who could use it. >> >>Size 40. Check the Fieldsheer sizing chart http://fieldsheer.com/catalog/size_chart.php?osCsid=18264a985490ddcf48a72f71e71c3c99 >>to see if it's your size. Will also throw in a Fieldsheer race back protector. >> >>STUFF FOR SALE (sorry, not free): >> >>Joe Rocket Phoenix 2.0 mesh jacket. Basically a year old and worn only 2-3 times. >>Blue/black. Small. Check the Joe Rocket sizing chart http://www.joerocket.com/catalog/size_chart.cfm >>to see if it's your size. Perfect dog days of summer riding jacket with perfed >>armor in the shoulders, elbows, and back. New $140 retail. You can have it for >>$80 (or make me an offer I can't refuse). >> >>Joe Rocket Atomic jeans http://www.joerocket.com/catalog/item.cfm?products_id=163. >>Black. Small. Can best be described as a baggy-ish cargo-style canvas jeans with >>armor in the hips and knees. Like my Phoenix jacket, a year old and worn only 2-3 >>times. New $90 retail. You can have it for $50 (or make me an offer I can't refuse). >> >>If you want both the jacket and jeans, $120 for both. >> >>Chuck >> >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 15 19:12:06 2004 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:07:39 -0400 Subject: Date for Cop Rodeo From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net There is supposed to a competition for Motor Police sometime in September at the Dulles Expo Center. Any one know the date ? Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 15 21:22:00 2004 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: "Poker Run" report from Colorado To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey all, Just wanted to show you the "trip report" for yesterdays Games Ride. http://www.hobgoblinconsulting.com/dm_gsxr/20040814/index.html It was a lot of fun even if I only got 7800 points :-) Enjoy, Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 07:51:14 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 04:51:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Caldwell Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/15/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Saw two squids running from two of Calvert County's Finest going westbound on Rt 260 and the north on Rt. 2 on sunday evening. We followed way behind the cops for several miles but saw nothing. An ambulance that was just cruising down the road lit up and headed in the same direction---hope it was a coincidence...... ===== Jim Caldwell Owings, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 09:22:38 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: A reply from a friend On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Wayne, > I had a chance to speak to my friend about his difficulties with insurance and the responses from this list. A few things: > - Don't judge someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. > - two of his speeding tickets were in a speed trap set up on Washington Blvd catching commuters on their way to work > - they were given while he was in his car at 9 above the speed limit > - the only one he has ever gotten on his bike was a cold January evening when he accelerated off a light and got lasered by an officer notorious for his unfairness Everyone on this list has been hit with what they feel are unfair parking tickets. Your friend is not alone, but it is his responsibility. If he had the money problems you claim, he should park his ass at the legal limit everywhere he goes. > > - As to the suspension on his license for non-payment of parking tickets, you should consider yourself fortunate you have never been in a position where making ends meet is a challenge. > > > "Grow up and take the bus". Neither constructive nor fair. There you have it. > Don't forget about your friend not paying his property tax or car insurance on time. Your friend should take responsibility for his obligations before they become delinquent and cause him more problems (like he has right now). Do something before you're behind and you won't have the issues you have right now. As to your comment about having trouble making ends meet, don't assume anything. And finally, you threw his problems out to the list. Expect some criticism or unwanted opinions. If you think they're too harsh and your friend is a bit fragile, don't pass them on to him/her :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 09:28:08 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: A reply from a friend On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Everyone on this list has been hit with what they feel are unfair parking > tickets. Sorry, meant to say "unfair speeding tickets". :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 10:03:37 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:03:32 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Air / 2 more for rafting FINALLY had the time to go back and work on getting my tank gas line off of the petcock. WD-40 and gentle persuasion with a mini-phillips over 15 minutes and the hose released. Once I got the tank off, I found that the overflow valve was disconnected. The K&N has about 25k of grime on it, and the K&N cleaner did a real number on the oil and muck. 30 minutes later its back in line and sounds slightly smoother at idle. My next project is a new set of front and rear brakes, which should be interesting. I have had the calipers off but never disconnected. Off subject - If anyone is camping and riding the Upper Gauley 9-18 - we need 2 more for a full raft. Email off list. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 10:16:03 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Anybody Plan on Doing the Shenandoah 500 this year? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Any dual sport people here going to do this: http://www.nvtr.org/shen500/ I went last year with a friend of mine and plan on doing it again. Would like to catch up with some DCC people if any are going. Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 10:24:58 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:24:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Turning 40 I almost forgot - the VFR flipped 40k last Thursday on Wiehle in Reston. I have been out of town so much this summer, it has been taking longer and longer to hit milestone mileages. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 10:46:18 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: randy moran? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX we passed a group of riders yesterday at ~11 am at the top of the mountain on 678 (west of elizabeth furnace). midway down the hill, i thought to myself "red sv650. that might have been randy moran." was i correct? if so, hope you had a nice ride. we ran 678 - 675 out through edinburgh. then 717 (?) to orkeney springs, 263 - 42 - 767 - 211. nice little loop. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 10:50:52 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:49:58 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: A reply from a friend At 09:46 AM 8/16/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> Everyone on this list has been hit with what they feel are unfair parking >> tickets. > >Sorry, meant to say "unfair speeding tickets". :-) In that case, no, I haven't. I did get one unfair parking ticket (at my university, 2 weeks after graduation, when I was in a student lot with an expired student sticker to do the university a favor by working in the computer center when they were short handed one weekend. Never paid it, they said they'd withhold transcripts until I did, but I wasn't planning on graduate school, and already had a job lined up, so who cares? I've never gotten an unfair speeding ticket though. My one and only speeding ticket (1978 I think it was) was given for 19 over, and at the time I first saw the police car, my speed was a bit more than that...a combination of thinking the limit in that area was 55 rather than the actual 45, and having just passed someone in an area where hanging around in the left lane was a real bad idea (winding two lane through the swamps of southern VA). I was clearly worthy of a ticket, and the officer was very nice in not writing it for the actual speed (When I saw him, the needle was coming back down through 74...)...probably because I didn't make him chase me down once it was clear he was going to come after me (he had to do a three corner turn on a two lane back road with deep ditches on both sides in a Torino...took him a minute ;-). Mailed in the $56 fine. Not everyone here speeds habitually enough, or unwisely enough, to collect a lot of tickets. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:01:47 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Turning 40 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:50:08 -0400 Congrats, Mike. I'll hit that # in a couple weeks or so on mine Just got back from Moto-Crewing the DC Breast Cancer 3-Day Walk. My new thing, bags of Jolly Ranchers in the Givi topcase for the walkers. Man that E460 holds a lot of candy! LOL Hey, the bikes are meant to be ridden. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Turning 40 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:24:54 -0400 I almost forgot - the VFR flipped 40k last Thursday on Wiehle in Reston. I have been out of town so much this summer, it has been taking longer and longer to hit milestone mileages. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:07:57 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:07:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: randy moran? -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer we passed a group of riders yesterday at ~11 am at the top of the mountain on 678 (west of elizabeth furnace). midway down the hill, i thought to myself "red sv650. that might have been randy moran." was i correct? if so, hope you had a nice ride. we ran 678 - 675 out through edinburgh. then 717 (?) to orkeney springs, 263 - 42 - 767 - 211. nice little loop. -- tg ----- Did you spot four red VFRs and a K1200S? We were on the Edinburg Gap Road (675) about 11 or so. Did a loop of the "Gaps". Thornton, Edinburg and Wolf Gap, then over to Wardensville for lunch. Beautiful day. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:10:00 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:09:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anybody Plan on Doing the Shenandoah 500 this year? -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart Any dual sport people here going to do this: http://www.nvtr.org/shen500/ I went last year with a friend of mine and plan on doing it again. Would like to catch up with some DCC people if any are going. Glenn ---- Well, I was until until persons unknown helped themselves to a ten-fingered discount on my KLR. Maybe next year. Looks like a neat event. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:24:46 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: randy moran? To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer > > > we passed a group of riders yesterday at ~11 am at the > top > of the mountain on 678 (west of elizabeth furnace). > midway > down the hill, i thought to myself "red sv650. that > might > have been randy moran." was i correct? if so, hope you > had a nice ride. > > we ran 678 - 675 out through edinburgh. then 717 (?) to > orkeney springs, 263 - 42 - 767 - 211. nice little loop. > > > -- > tg > > ----- > > Did you spot four red VFRs and a K1200S? We were on the > Edinburg Gap Road (675) about 11 or so. Did a loop of > the "Gaps". Thornton, Edinburg and Wolf Gap, then over > to Wardensville for lunch. Beautiful day. nope. but i did see a red vfr and a k1200s back in sperryville around 1:15. looked like they had camping gear though. i heard wolf's gap was repaved. niiiiice. lunch in wardensville? ah, the mountaineer. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:35:45 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:40:29 -0400 Subject: Free: GS750 remains, including frame and title To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Frame, title, part of motor (in frame). Email me by mid afternoon or it may be tossed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:37:09 2004 Subject: FW: assh*les ( the joys of owning a moto in montreal, canada) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:36:50 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: The joys of riding a motorcycle in Montreal, from my brother, a more gifted writer than I. He is not a hostile person at all and has only hit one person in the last five years. Obviously, someone messing with his brand new R6 upset him. He is getting married 12 September and I am contemplating riding up on my bike for the wedding. Here is his tale: Saturday morning i drive down St. Laurent to second cup, park my bike outside and sit inside with a view of my bike it was maybe 4 feet from me. As i am enjoying tea and a muffin with my friend Brett, this typical quebecois man --- dressed in black and sunglasses unshaven, looked a welfare case, definitely had fetal alcohol syndrome --- quickly crossed the street up to my bike looks at it for 2 seconds, then lifts his foot up and slams it down hard on my brake lever twice!!!! My viper alarm immediately starts going off and he casually crosses the street in front of horrified onlookers and girls sitting out in front of the cafe. I am motionless, paralysed in a state of shock and incredulity. I then ask myself and brett did that just happen or did i dream that? Brett then tells me to go kick his ass. At this point i wake up from my daze, run outside in the middle of traffic and yell at the guy hey you!. He turns around and walks up to me challenging me. As it is noon, traffic comes to a halt and there is a throng of girls and pedestrians gathered to watch us. I demand to know in french what the fuck do you think you were doing? He says what i touch bikes all the time, smile man it's montreal he has the nerve to tell me. At that point i should have slammed my fist into his face as hard as i could but i looked at these girls and older ppl surrounding me and i restrained myself. I yelled at him never to touch ppl's bikes again you can be killed that way i told him. My friend Brett who had my back was urging me to destroy this guy but i stupidly held back. I then walked off, and these girls were explaing to traffic that had stopped that idiot touched that guy's bike. I have now learned my lesson and have permanently set my instincts to auto-mode. Next time someone touches my bike which i worked very hard to be able to afford, i will automatically strike them down and continue to do so until someone pulls me off. How else will assholes like this learn? How dare someone and you should have seen the way he slammed his foot down on my brake lever, touch another person's property like that? Thank god the bike didn't tip then i would have killed him. What i should have done, i now realise, is quietly follow that guy down the street until the alley where no one can see, and break his neck. Now i have learned to do that in the future - no stunned deer in the headlight reaction for me, but swift calculated punishment away from the public. I love montreal for many reasons, but as a city it has the most amount of freaks, social cast-offs, drug-addicts and FAS cases that walk around thinking they own the street. Modern medicine and social benefits only serve to counteract Darwin's natural order of things, bypass surgeries prolonging the lives by 15 years of fat unhealthy individuals, and social benefits, leniency, and pity allowing assholes like this guy to walk the streets. We need to return to a Communist system where the state would chop off this guy's feet and hands after a stunt like that, thus ensuring he would never harm other ppl's property. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:37:49 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: randy moran? To: rjmoran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX 2 tounos? nice little spread of machinery! yes, it was a great day for a ride. traffic was light, as a bonus. yeah, me on the 996, lance macnevin on the r1, john kozyn on his 900ss, and john's friend ted on an sv running sweeper. --- rjmoran@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi Tom > Actually, I was out that way, and saw you go by (though I > didn't know it at the time; your yellow Duck and an R1 or > 6, I think, right?). I was with the group of guys parked > at the top of the hill. The SV followed soon after you > went by. My group was two Tuonos, two CapoNords and an > RC51 (me). Great day for a ride, wasn't it? > RPM > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > ..."red sv650. that might > > have been randy moran." was i correct? if so, hope you > > had a nice ride. > > > > we ran 678 - 675 out through edinburgh. then 717 (?) to > > > orkeney springs, 263 - 42 - 767 - 211. nice little > loop. > > > > > > -- > > tg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:37:54 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:37:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: randy moran? -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer .... i heard wolf's gap was repaved. niiiiice. lunch in wardensville? ah, the mountaineer. --- Kak-ca-pon or whatever it's called, on the east side of town. Don't be put off by the Ca-ca in the name, food's pretty good. Wolf Gap is repaved, except for the last little bit on the Virginia side, at the very top. WV side is nice and smooooth all the way to Wardensville. Fresh chip seal on 675 between Edinburg and Va 42 caused a few moments of concern. Here ends the road surface intel report. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 11:50:32 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:48:31 -0400 From: Skip To: Bob McKeithen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date for Cop Rodeo Damn, and here I though i was going to get to ride one and try and stay on for 8 seconds. I think I could do it if I got to use spurs. Bob McKeithen wrote: > > There is supposed to a competition for Motor Police sometime in > September at the Dulles Expo Center. Any one know the date ? > Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 12:00:21 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:58:21 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles , sabmag Subject: Gear Request. ok. here's the deal: I went on vacation for three weeks back in July. when we got home, we discovered that while we were gone (as in: in the first week) the icemaker water control solenoid decided that it had had enough of holding back the water. so it ran. and ran. and ran. did you know that you can put out a lot of water through an 1/8" line if you let it run 24/7? We came home to water and mold. my helmet was on the floor. it is filled with mold. my jacket was hanging in the closet, but the humidity got high enough that the coatrack fell and my jacket as well as my new-to-me aerostitch were on the floor, so they're covered with mold. I'm ordering a battery for my bike, and I -need- to go for a ride. does anyone have gear that they are willing to loan/rent/sell -real- cheap? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 12:07:35 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Gear Request. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wash the gear? The stich should be easy. Even a slight bit of (not too much) bleach will do the job and not harm the suit. Not sure about your helmet, does it have a washable liner? Glenn --- Skip wrote: > ok. here's the deal: > > I went on vacation for three weeks back in July. > when we got home, we > discovered that while we were gone (as in: in the > first week) the > icemaker water control solenoid decided that it had > had enough of > holding back the water. so it ran. and ran. and > ran. did you know > that you can put out a lot of water through an 1/8" > line if you let it > run 24/7? > > We came home to water and mold. my helmet was on > the floor. it is > filled with mold. my jacket was hanging in the > closet, but the humidity > got high enough that the coatrack fell and my jacket > as well as my > new-to-me aerostitch were on the floor, so they're > covered with mold. > > I'm ordering a battery for my bike, and I -need- to > go for a ride. > > does anyone have gear that they are willing to > loan/rent/sell -real- > cheap? > > > --skip > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 12:17:49 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:17:46 -0400 To: Skip , "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Gear Request. I have an XL and M helmet available to loan. The XL is a Shoei RF800. The M is an HJC with primer white. I have a summer jacket you can have - Brosh, some armor, mostly not. Manassas, VA. At 11:58 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote: >ok. here's the deal: > >I went on vacation for three weeks back in July. when we got home, we >discovered that while we were gone (as in: in the first week) the >icemaker water control solenoid decided that it had had enough of >holding back the water. so it ran. and ran. and ran. did you know >that you can put out a lot of water through an 1/8" line if you let it >run 24/7? > >We came home to water and mold. my helmet was on the floor. it is >filled with mold. my jacket was hanging in the closet, but the humidity >got high enough that the coatrack fell and my jacket as well as my >new-to-me aerostitch were on the floor, so they're covered with mold. > >I'm ordering a battery for my bike, and I -need- to go for a ride. > >does anyone have gear that they are willing to loan/rent/sell -real- >cheap? > > >--skip ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 12:31:15 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:31:15 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: FW: assh*les ( the joys of owning a moto in montreal, canada) At 11:36 AM 8/16/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >At this point i wake up from my daze, run outside in the middle of >traffic and yell at the guy hey you!. > >He turns around and walks up to me challenging me. I'm not surprised...he obviously was trying to start something, and your brother was going along with this plan... >He says what i touch bikes all the time, smile man it's montreal he has >the nerve to tell me. Yeah, the guy is deliberately trying to get your brother to attack him. Your brother should be thinking at this point, "why is that? What does this guy *really* intend? What does he know that I don't?" Maybe the guy is brain-damaged. Maybe it'a a gang initiation thing...in which case no telling what the guy might do, or who might join in to finish it. Maybe the guy is just in a pissy mood and looking for a fight to take out some aggression with. If so, perhaps he does this a lot...and unless your brother is a really experienced bar-fighter, he should probably not give the guy what he wants. Maybe the guy has friends nearby, and they are looking to start a fight with both your brother and his buddy, and maybe collect some wallets in the confusion? Both from your brother and his friend, and from the crowd of bystanders (i.e. pickpockets creating a disturbance/distraction). Maybe the guy is looking for a law suit? Minor property damage results in personal injury response results in lawsuit for pain and suffering, etc. from over-reaction by property owner? Sort of like the folks who walk in front of busses to sue the city? Whatever the guy had in mind, I'd be pretty suspicious, and hesitant to go with the other guy's obvious plans. Sounds like a great way to get into all sorts of trouble. I'd rather hand my Zire 71 to my buddy, confront the guy to keep him there long enough to get a good picture, then call the police and let them hunt the guy down for vandalism...with witnesses and photographs and a complainant it sounds like an easy score for the cops, so maybe they'd even look for him...and if they don't, you can always hunt him down later, when there aren't any witnesses, and it isn't at a time and place of *his* choosing... >I have now learned my lesson and have permanently set my instincts to >auto-mode. Next time someone touches my bike which i worked very hard >to be able to afford, i will automatically strike them down and continue >to do so until someone pulls me off. You are owned by anyone who can make you angry. This sounds like a poor plan to me. >How else will assholes like this learn? By getting arrested and/or hunted down at a later date when things *aren't* to his liking? >What i should have done, i now realise, is quietly follow that guy down >the street until the alley where no one can see, and break his neck. >Now i have learned to do that in the future I hope your brother is just burning off anger here...that's a really stupid plan. Even discounting the witnesses who might be able to tell the police who followed the dead guy into the alley, the guy may have friends waiting there to jump your brother and beat/kill him to rob him, then come take his bike too. It's a pretty simple plan...provoke guy with stuff to steal, get him to chase you into ambush... >We need to return to a Communist system where the state would chop off >this guy's feet and hands after a stunt like that, thus ensuring he >would never harm other ppl's property. Your brother needs to go learn a bit more history...totalitarian governments are more likely to cut off *his* hands and feet for something or other than those he wants to go after. Those he wants to go after are, afterall, providing "the state" with what they need: excuses to take on more power and authority over people's lives...and thus more power to grant those in power whatever they want. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 12:50:08 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:50:02 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Ram Mounts I am a big fan of Ram Mounts. I use them for GPS and camera mounts on the VFR and truck. At work we have integrated them for SUV and Yacht laptop mounts. I am now looking to adapt one as a helmet lock since my lock has been drilled out. I already mounted a ball on the grab rails and I'm working the Ram catalog. If you haven't been there lately, check it out. They have all new moto mounts including this amazing bit of engineering. http://www.ram-mount.com/motorcycle/ramb309modularmountsretail.pdf ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 12:55:01 2004 Subject: Re: Turning 40 From: lister lynch To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:54:18 -0400 :-) The VFR was at exactly 35000 when I got on it this AM. Mike On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 10:24, Troutman wrote: > I almost forgot - the VFR flipped 40k last Thursday on Wiehle in Reston. I > have been out of town so much this summer, it has been taking longer and > longer to hit milestone mileages. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 12:56:10 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:55:38 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: skip@XXXXXX (Skip), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("dc Cycles") Subject: Re: Gear Request. X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 X-AOL-Language: english I have a couple Medium helmets and a couple jackets also available to loan if you need. I wouls say the same thing about the jacket and helmet though, wash'em. I read something before about being able to wash a motorcycle helmet and how best to accomplish it. Let me do a little digging and see if I can find it again. If the jacket is leather, take it to a cleaner that deals with leather cleaning and have them take care of it. As for the 'stitch, laundromat and one of those big washers. :-) You might have to re-waterproof it after it's done but, cheaper than buying a new one. Scooter In a message dated 8/16/2004 12:17:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Troutman writes: >I have an XL and M helmet available to loan. )BThe XL is a Shoei RF800. The >M is an HJC with primer white. )BI have a summer jacket you can have - >Brosh, some armor, mostly not. )BManassas, VA. > >At 11:58 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote: >>ok. )Bhere's the deal: >> >>I went on vacation for three weeks back in July. )Bwhen we got home, we >>discovered that while we were gone (as in: in the first week) the >>icemaker water control solenoid decided that it had had enough of >>holding back the water. )Bso it ran. and ran. and ran. did you know >>that you can put out a lot of water through an 1/8" line if you let it >>run 24/7? >> >>We came home to water and mold. )Bmy helmet was on the floor. it is >>filled with mold. )Bmy jacket was hanging in the closet, but the humidity >>got high enough that the coatrack fell and my jacket as well as my >>new-to-me aerostitch were on the floor, so they're covered with mold. >> >>I'm ordering a battery for my bike, and I -need- to go for a ride. >> >>does anyone have gear that they are willing to loan/rent/sell -real- >>cheap? >> >> >>--skip > > >___________________________________________ > )B Mike Troutman > )B http://www.troutman.org/vfr > )B 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) > )B AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > )B NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 12:59:15 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:59:04 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("dc Cycles") Subject: Re: Ram Mounts X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 X-AOL-Language: english Ummmm......stupid question but, why don't you just buy a new helmet lock? The old one should on-bolt from the bike and a new one bolted on in it's place. A lot cheaper I would think. Just my .02. Scooter In a message dated 8/16/2004 12:50:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Troutman writes: >I am a big fan of Ram Mounts. )BI use them for GPS and camera mounts on the >VFR and truck. )BAt work we have integrated them for SUV and Yacht laptop >mounts. )BI am now looking to adapt one as a helmet lock since my lock has >been drilled out. )BI already mounted a ball on the grab rails and I'm >working the Ram catalog. > >If you haven't been there lately, check it out. )BThey have all new moto >mounts including this amazing bit of engineering. > >http://www.ram-mount.com/motorcycle/ramb309modularmountsretail.pdf > > >___________________________________________ > )B Mike Troutman > )B http://www.troutman.org/vfr > )B 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) > )B AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > )B NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 13:05:04 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:04:49 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmet cleaning X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 X-AOL-Language: english Found this little tidbit right off the bat. Just for future reference. :-) "1. Motorcycle Helmet Cleaning You have a few options for cleaning the inside of a motorcycle helmet. Many people use shampoo - just fill the helmet with water, shampoo the pads and scrub. Rinse well, and allow to dry in the sun - won)Bt harm the helmet, but it will take quite a while to get thoroughly dry. Or, you can use a light mixture of Woolite on a wet rag then a clean wet rag to rinse and a clean dry rag to dry it a little. Let it dry a couple of days. Or, you can try one of the commercial helmet cleaners. Theyre widely available, and you should be able to find something at your local bike shops." Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 13:21:24 2004 Subject: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:21:03 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I am on the 4th floor staring across North Glebe to a row of condos. Parked is a bike that I am looking at from above and back. - yellow and metallic gray - definite sport bike - undertail twin exhaust - appears to have handles on passenger seat - may be shaft driven as there is bulbous metal thingy on right side of rear wheel Whoever guesses first gets a certificate for $10.00..off dinner where I work..the catch is you have to come to my bar to enjoy it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 13:27:45 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:46:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: A reply from a friend On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Not everyone here speeds habitually enough, or unwisely enough, to collect > a lot of tickets. Is it difficult maintaining your balance up on that soapbox, Mikey? Geezus :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 13:39:16 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:38:45 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Ram Mounts Good question. A replacement from Honda would only come with the tank and ignition set for many, many clams. The locksmith didn't have a lock to fit the size. Also - I never liked the helmet lock position much, and the little lid bar is weak enough to pry with a screwdriver. The Ram solution would hopefully hold a second lid securely to the bike while I ride, or my lid when I'm eating lunch. At 12:59 PM 8/16/2004, you wrote: >Ummmm......stupid question but, why don't you just buy a new helmet >lock? The old one should on-bolt from the bike and a new one bolted on in >it's place. A lot cheaper I would think. Just my .02. > >Scooter ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:14:54 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:45 -0400 Sounds like the BMW "sport" bike. > > From: "Julian Halton" > Date: 2004/08/16 Mon PM 01:21:03 EDT > To: > Subject: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! > > I am on the 4th floor staring across North Glebe to a row of condos. > Parked is a bike that I am looking at from above and back. > > - yellow and metallic gray > - definite sport bike > - undertail twin exhaust > - appears to have handles on passenger seat > - may be shaft driven as there is bulbous metal thingy on right side of > rear wheel > > > Whoever guesses first gets a certificate for $10.00..off dinner where I > work..the catch is you have to come to my bar to enjoy it. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:22:02 2004 Subject: RE: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:21:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Ryan Santoso" , The bike is a 2002 R 1100 S in silver\mandarin My apologies for confusing mandarin with yellow I had to go and look to verify So the winner is Ryan Santoso I can ail you the coupon or you can come and pick it up at Thyme Out\American Caf)B\ 6821 Reed avenue in Bethesda. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Santoso [mailto:santosor2001@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:35 PM To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! Whoops..wrong displacement..i meant BMW R1100S --- Julian Halton wrote: > I am on the 4th floor staring across North Glebe to a row of condos. > Parked is a bike that I am looking at from above and back. > > - yellow and metallic gray > - definite sport bike > - undertail twin exhaust > - appears to have handles on passenger seat > - may be shaft driven as there is bulbous metal thingy on right side > of rear wheel > > > Whoever guesses first gets a certificate for $10.00..off dinner where > I work..the catch is you have to come to my bar to enjoy it. > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:27:06 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:27:40 -0400 To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ram Mounts At 12:50 PM 8/16/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >I am now looking to adapt one as a helmet lock since my lock has >been drilled out. I already mounted a ball on the grab rails and I'm >working the Ram catalog. Most of the stuff I've seen from them is designed to be pretty removable...don't know how well it would work for a helmet lock. I use one very much like this one: http://raskcycle.com/ACC/acc5c.html (item 11-005) I got mine at Battley's, and I attached it to the top of the crash bars on the left side. It will hold two helmets that way, one on each side, though you have to be careful of positioning of the rear one to make sure it isn't too close to a hot engine. The lock came with two different length screw sets, so it would work on two different diameter bars. The screws are the one-way type, that screw in, but don't screw out. They'd have to be drilled out to remove the lock once it's in and tight (especially with the red Loctite ;-) The new RAM stuff looks interesting for other uses though. I still think they have an ugly handlebar clamp...basically a U-bolt. Chrome plating it helps, but it's still ugly. I like Tourtech's mount better, and it works fine with the RAM stuff...I use one to hold my GPS and sometimes a clipboard (for holding route sheets on group rides). Tourtech's clamp is here: http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_870.jpg Compare with RAM's chrome equivalent: http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/GRAH-C.jpg CycoActive has both of them, as well as a bunch of other good stuff. Bought from them a couple of times now, with no complaints. BTW, I made the clipboard with a RAM diamond base and a $1 plexiglass picture frame from the Dollar Store, along with a refrigerator magnet clip that I got at Office Despot for another $2. Slice off most of the picture frame base (I left 1/8" for stiffness), drill a couple of holes for machine screws to hold the diamond base on, and another for a pop rivet to hold the clip (magnet removed) and you are all set. The clip holds things in place, and the wrap-around picture frame holds the paper down and keeps rain off of it fairly well too. I mount it on a short RAM arm and an extra ball/screw that replaces the screw in my 5.5" RAM arm, so the GPS and clipboard share the same handlebar mount. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:30:38 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:30:19 -0400 From: Sunil Doshi Reply-To: Sunil Doshi To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! My guess is a BMW K1200RS. On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:21:03 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > I am on the 4th floor staring across North Glebe to a row of condos. > Parked is a bike that I am looking at from above and back. > > - yellow and metallic gray > - definite sport bike > - undertail twin exhaust > - appears to have handles on passenger seat > - may be shaft driven as there is bulbous metal thingy on right side of > rear wheel > > Whoever guesses first gets a certificate for $10.00..off dinner where I > work..the catch is you have to come to my bar to enjoy it. > > -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:30:40 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:30:25 EDT Subject: Re: Air / 2 more for rafting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/16/2004 10:03:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > My next project is > a new set of front and rear brakes, which should be interesting. OK so far... > I have > had the calipers off but never disconnected. NO! No, no, no. You do not need to disconnect the calipers* (from the hydraulics) to replace the pads! In some cases you do not even need to take the calipers off. This is safety equipment, it is not a hard job but you should check a shop manual. *Having said that I am sure there is an exception and someone will tell me about it #:-). John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:33:41 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:52:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > I am on the 4th floor staring across North Glebe to a row of condos. > Parked is a bike that I am looking at from above and back. > > - yellow and metallic gray > - definite sport bike > - undertail twin exhaust > - appears to have handles on passenger seat > - may be shaft driven as there is bulbous metal thingy on right side of > rear wheel http://www.motorradonline.de/fm/109/BMWK1200S_010.jpg Is that the bike? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:41:52 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:41:39 EDT Subject: Re: FW: assh*les ( the joys of owning a moto in montreal, canada) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/16/2004 11:37:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > I demand to know in french what the fuck do you think you were doing? > > He says what i touch bikes all the time, He did not just touch the bike. It seems to me he was deliberately trying to break the brake. In other words he could have been trying to hurt/kill someone. If all he wanted to do was vandalize the bike he would have kicked in the tank or kicked the bike over. He was/is crazy. Drugs or genetics? Do not care, he needs to be off the street. Cell phone to the cops, photo (cell phone camera?) for the cops. CAUTION!!!!!! No way to know what a crazy will do. And crazies do not hide well, odds are with a photo the cops will know him. And remember there are crazies out there IN CARS! Never assume you are dealing with sane people while riding because some of them are not. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:52:19 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:52:44 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: A reply from a friend At 01:46 PM 8/16/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Not everyone here speeds habitually enough, or unwisely enough, to collect >> a lot of tickets. > >Is it difficult maintaining your balance up on that soapbox, Mikey? >Geezus :-) What soapbox? Just counteracting the usual anti-social atmosphere here, where "the man" is out to "git ya", the police are the enemy, and breaking the law and expecting to get away with it in all cases, perhaps after some legal maneuvering, is the normal attitude. There is another way: Just obey the law, or take your lumps if you choose not to and get caught at it. The "everybody does it" excuse is something their mothers should have broken folks of a long time ago. If you don't like the law, then see if you can't get it changed. Lobbying, starting voter groups, filing lawsuits, running for office, etc. is the American Way. Around here not breaking the law can be dangerous, I admit. I used to try to drive legally, but the speed differential was just too great, so I only do it when the road is mostly empty now. When I can't, I just try to make sure I'm not the fastest thing in my vicinity, and I don't do things that attract too much attention, like changing lanes a lot to "work my way through the traffic", tailgating, flashing high beams in a "get the hell out of my way" mode, or other things that get you picked out of the herd by the ticket distributors. It appears to work, as I've gotten no speeding tickets since I moved to this area 24 years ago...and I've only been working from home for the last 5...before that I commuted daily. 1 year on Metro, the rest on various roads, such as the beltway, Rt 7 by Tyson's, Old Georgetown in Bethesda, East West Highway, I-270, etc., depending on where I lived and where the work was. I'm sure there was some luck involved, but 24 years without a ticket sounds pretty good compared to some of what I'm reading here, so I'm figuring it's not *just* luck, but driving habits, or maybe other factors, too. If your driving habits are getting you a lot of tickets, re-examine your driving habits and consider some changes. It can also be instructive to do a little math and see exactly how much time you are really saving doing 70 rather than 55 on a 10 mile run (2.5 mins (8.57 vs 10.9)), or 45 rather than 35 for that short trip down the street (22.8 seconds for a 1 mile trip) or whatever is getting you the tickets, and whether the time saving is worth the financial risk (ticket, lawyer, insurance, etc...if it's just the ticket and not an accident too...traffic engineers may be overly conservative, but they aren't totally out to lunch in all cases...there are usually reasons for the limits being what they are, and they aren't all politics or revenue enhancement, despite what those who like to speed like to say about it to prop up their self-esteem after getting caught). Now *that* required a little soapbox balancing. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:52:33 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:50:39 -0400 From: Skip To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Gear Request. the cleaners have the leather and the stitch. they say, "if we can't clean it we give it back to you for inventory and disposal" my homeowner's policy is the cadillac of policies. everything will be repaired to the condition it was in prior to the loss, or it will be replaced, regardless of current cost. I pay a little more per month for that, but I think it's going to work out for us this time. if I end up with some new gear, i'll definately be helping out some poor soul with good deals on the old stuff. When I say that the helmet had mold in it, I don't mean a spot or two. it was full-fuzz mold. I doubnt the liner is recoverable. I'll have to see if Arai can reline it. ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I have a couple Medium helmets and a couple jackets also available to loan if you need. I wouls say the same thing about the jacket and helmet though, wash'em. I read something before about being able to wash a motorcycle helmet and how best to accomplish it. Let me do a little digging and see if I can find it again. If the jacket is leather, take it to a cleaner that deals with leather cleaning and have them take care of it. As for the 'stitch, laundromat and one of those big washers. :-) You might have to re-waterproof it after it's done but, cheaper than buying a new one. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 8/16/2004 12:17:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Troutman writes: > > >I have an XL and M helmet available to loan. The XL is a Shoei RF800. The > >M is an HJC with primer white. I have a summer jacket you can have - > >Brosh, some armor, mostly not. Manassas, VA. > > > >At 11:58 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote: > >>ok. here's the deal: > >> > >>I went on vacation for three weeks back in July. when we got home, we > >>discovered that while we were gone (as in: in the first week) the > >>icemaker water control solenoid decided that it had had enough of > >>holding back the water. so it ran. and ran. and ran. did you know > >>that you can put out a lot of water through an 1/8" line if you let it > >>run 24/7? > >> > >>We came home to water and mold. my helmet was on the floor. it is > >>filled with mold. my jacket was hanging in the closet, but the humidity > >>got high enough that the coatrack fell and my jacket as well as my > >>new-to-me aerostitch were on the floor, so they're covered with mold. > >> > >>I'm ordering a battery for my bike, and I -need- to go for a ride. > >> > >>does anyone have gear that they are willing to loan/rent/sell -real- > >>cheap? > >> > >> > >>--skip > > > > > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:54:09 2004 Subject: RE: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:53:50 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , No. It is the R1100 S. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Guess the motorcycle contest!!!!!!!! On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > I am on the 4th floor staring across North Glebe to a row of condos. > Parked is a bike that I am looking at from above and back. > > - yellow and metallic gray > - definite sport bike > - undertail twin exhaust > - appears to have handles on passenger seat > - may be shaft driven as there is bulbous metal thingy on right side > of rear wheel http://www.motorradonline.de/fm/109/BMWK1200S_010.jpg Is that the bike? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 14:58:32 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: A reply from a friend On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Now *that* required a little soapbox balancing. Anyone make it through more than the first and last sentence? Cliff's Notes? Thanks! -- Wayne 'going for another ride' :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:05:16 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:05:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Air / 2 more for rafting At 02:30 PM 8/16/2004, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >NO! No, no, no. You do not need to disconnect the calipers* (from the >hydraulics) to replace the pads! In some cases you do not even need to >take the >calipers off. >This is safety equipment, it is not a hard job but you should check a shop >manual. > >*Having said that I am sure there is an exception and someone will tell me >about it #:-). Thanks - the VFR manual says I need to remove the calipers but not disconnect them from hydraulics. I was more or less thinking ahead to replacing the brake fluid which as far as I know is about 8 years old. Anything special I need to know when ordering new pads? I'm assuming I need three sets - two front and one rear. What is a good brand or place to order other than OEM? The discs appear true. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:08:47 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:09:22 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: A reply from a friend At 03:17 PM 8/16/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Now *that* required a little soapbox balancing. > >Anyone make it through more than the first and last sentence? Cliff's >Notes? Listen or don't. Don't make me no nevermind. The more you folks pay in tickets, the less likely they are to raise property taxes again soon. Go for it. We've got too many people anyway...the current 40-45,000 we lose on the highways every year aren't keeping up with the immigration and birth rates...just try to keep it to the "volunteers" and avoid involving the bystanders, ok? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:14:05 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:14:26 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Air / 2 more for rafting At 03:05 PM 8/16/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >Thanks - the VFR manual says I need to remove the calipers but not >disconnect them from hydraulics. I was more or less thinking ahead to >replacing the brake fluid which as far as I know is about 8 years old. I know that when you take calipers off of a car, you need to support them (cable tie, wire, etc.), and not let them hang from the brake lines. Is that the case with bikes too? If so, it may be the sort of thing the manuals might take "as read" and not mention. Can you replace the fluid by doing a heavy "bleed job" (i.e. pumping it out the bleeder, and pouring it in the reservoir, until you get clean stuff out, and never actually drain it? Or is that inefficient, ineffective or have other problems? Just wondering... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:15:10 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A reply from a friend Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:03:56 -0400 No need when you just delete them all. From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: A reply from a friend Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:17:09 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Now *that* required a little soapbox balancing. Anyone make it through more than the first and last sentence? Cliff's Notes? Thanks! -- Wayne 'going for another ride' :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:25:59 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:25:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR Brakes, was Re: Air / 2 more for rafting -----Original Message----- From: Troutman At 02:30 PM 8/16/2004, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >NO! No, no, no. You do not need to disconnect the calipers* (from the >hydraulics) to replace the pads! In some cases you do not even need to >take the >calipers off. >This is safety equipment, it is not a hard job but you should check a shop >manual. > >*Having said that I am sure there is an exception and someone will tell me >about it #:-). Thanks - the VFR manual says I need to remove the calipers but not disconnect them from hydraulics. I was more or less thinking ahead to replacing the brake fluid which as far as I know is about 8 years old. Anything special I need to know when ordering new pads? I'm assuming I need three sets - two front and one rear. What is a good brand or place to order other than OEM? The discs appear true. ----- Mike, Yep, three sets, although IIRC there's a different part number for the rear. I've been pretty happy with the EBC HH pads. Some people complain that they chew up the rotors, but I've got 69,000 miles on my original rotors and have been running the EBCs for the past 50,000 or so without heavy wear, scoring, warping, etc. I should point out that I do a lot of rural miles where I'm not on the brakes very much. There's really no need to disconnect the hydraulics, unless you need to replace the caliper seals. The remainder of the maintenance (new pads, fluid replacement, greasing the sliders) can be done without disconnecting the hydraulic lines. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:33:26 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:33:14 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Rob Keiser Subject: Re: A reply from a friend Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gmail has a nice filter for just that purpose. ;-) Robert On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:03:56 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: > No need when you just delete them all. > > From: Wayne Edelen > To: > Subject: Re: A reply from a friend > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:17:09 -0400 (EDT) > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > Now *that* required a little soapbox balancing. > > Anyone make it through more than the first and last sentence? Cliff's > Notes? > > Thanks! > > -- Wayne 'going for another ride' :-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:47:42 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:47:19 -0400 To: "Rob Keiser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: A reply from a friend At 03:03 PM 8/16/04 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: >No need when you just delete them all. Good! One less moron to fail to comprehend what they read and respond in some braindead fashion to something I never said in the first place! Bonus! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:47:43 2004 Subject: Re: A reply from a friend From: lister lynch To: Robert Cc: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:47:00 -0400 So does Evolution. ;-) Mike Bartman who? On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 15:33, Robert wrote: > Gmail has a nice filter for just that purpose. > > ;-) > > Robert > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:03:56 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: > > No need when you just delete them all. > > > > From: Wayne Edelen > > To: > > Subject: Re: A reply from a friend > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:17:09 -0400 (EDT) > > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > > Now *that* required a little soapbox balancing. > > > > Anyone make it through more than the first and last sentence? Cliff's > > Notes? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- Wayne 'going for another ride' :-) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:48:07 2004 Subject: RE: Ram Mounts Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:48:02 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" >The new RAM stuff looks interesting for other uses though. I still think they have >an ugly handlebar clamp...basically a U-bolt. Chrome plating it helps, but it's >still ugly. Did a little digging around the site links you sent and found this nice alternative... http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_870.jpg - Part number "gCLMP1" ...And this... http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/grahex.jpg - Part number "grahex" ...when combined, they make this... http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_grahex.jpg A much nicer option, IMO. This stuff is like a d@mn Erector set for gadget junkies... My wife is gonna kill me. :o --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:51:48 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 16 Aug 2004 19:51:38 -0000 From: mojohand@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:51:38 -0500 Subject: RE: A reply from a friend Well I read it it all, and Mike was right on the money, so far as I'm concerned. For those of you with ADD, here's the short version: 1) Stop whining about your d*mn tickets. It's boring. Suck it up. 2) If you're gonna speed, split lanes, etc, be a man and take ownership of the fact you knew you were breaking the law and accept the inevitable consequences. See Also: Item (1) 3) You might want to look at how much time you're really saving by speeding. On under 100 mile trips, it's never much. 4) And that's not counting the time you lost in the traffic stop. See Also: Item (1) As you'd imagine, the full version is richer in content, but I think I've captured the gist. I'm sure Mike will correct me if I've ommited anything crucial. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:51:50 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: A reply from a friend To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > Now *that* required a little soapbox balancing. > > Anyone make it through more than the first and last > sentence? Cliff's > Notes? i made it to here: "I used to try to drive legally, but the speed differential was just too great, so I only do it when the road is mostly empty now." did anyone call bullshit yet? -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 15:55:48 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:55:34 EDT Subject: Re: Ram Mounts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmmmmm......I coulda sworn I saw replacement helmet locks at (hack, cough) Coleman's that you just bolted on in place of the original. You just had to use a different key than the ignition to use it. Oh well, let us know how your Ram mount works out. Another suggestion, and I don't know if it would work on your bike or not, is to try and do something like my R6. It has a hook bolted to the underside of the rear seat. You hook the d-rings of your helmet on it and close the seat. Voila, helmet locked securely to the bike. Scooter In a message dated 8/16/2004 1:39:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: Good question. A replacement from Honda would only come with the tank and ignition set for many, many clams. The locksmith didn't have a lock to fit the size. Also - I never liked the helmet lock position much, and the little lid bar is weak enough to pry with a screwdriver. The Ram solution would hopefully hold a second lid securely to the bike while I ride, or my lid when I'm eating lunch. At 12:59 PM 8/16/2004, you wrote: >Ummmm......stupid question but, why don't you just buy a new helmet >lock? The old one should on-bolt from the bike and a new one bolted on in >it's place. A lot cheaper I would think. Just my .02. > >Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 16:03:25 2004 Subject: Re: VFR Brakes, was Re: Air / 2 more for rafting From: lister lynch To: Paul Wilson Cc: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:02:51 -0400 FWIW, I was just fiddling with the calipers last night. One little interesting tidbit though is, the VTR front wheel assembly bolts right up to the VFR, rotors, spacers, and all. Fun. Anyway, the only reason you'd need to remove the 2 mounting bolts on the calipers is to compress the pistons to fit (new) thicker pads in there. Otherwise, a flathead to take off the outer set screw, a 5mm (IIRC) allen wrench to remove the pin that holds the pads, and the pads slip right out. 'Course, as Paul wisely mentioned, it's worth it to pull the caliper anyway to clean it up, grease the slides, etc. That should really be done, because if it's neglected (or even innocently overlooked), it will wear to the point of damaging the caliper itself, not a wear part. Mike On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 15:25, Paul Wilson wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman > > > At 02:30 PM 8/16/2004, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >NO! No, no, no. You do not need to disconnect the calipers* (from the > >hydraulics) to replace the pads! In some cases you do not even need to > >take the > >calipers off. > >This is safety equipment, it is not a hard job but you should check a shop > >manual. > > > >*Having said that I am sure there is an exception and someone will tell me > >about it #:-). > > Thanks - the VFR manual says I need to remove the calipers but not > disconnect them from hydraulics. I was more or less thinking ahead to > replacing the brake fluid which as far as I know is about 8 years old. > > Anything special I need to know when ordering new pads? I'm assuming I > need three sets - two front and one rear. What is a good brand or place to > order other than OEM? The discs appear true. > > ----- > > Mike, > > Yep, three sets, although IIRC there's a different part number for the rear. I've been pretty happy with the EBC HH pads. Some people complain that they chew up the rotors, but I've got 69,000 miles on my original rotors and have been running the EBCs for the past 50,000 or so without heavy wear, scoring, warping, etc. I should point out that I do a lot of rural miles where I'm not on the brakes very much. > > There's really no need to disconnect the hydraulics, unless you need to replace the caliper seals. The remainder of the maintenance (new pads, fluid replacement, greasing the sliders) can be done without disconnecting the hydraulic lines. > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 16:14:46 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: A reply from a friend To: mojohand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- mojohand@XXXXXX wrote: > Well I read it it all, and Mike was right on the money, > so far as I'm concerned. For those of you with ADD, > here's the short version: > > 1) Stop whining about your d*mn tickets. It's boring. > Suck it up. > > 2) If you're gonna speed, split lanes, etc, be a man and > take ownership of the fact you knew you were breaking the > law and accept the inevitable consequences. See Also: > Item (1) > > 3) You might want to look at how much time you're really > saving by speeding. On under 100 mile trips, it's never > much. > > 4) And that's not counting the time you lost in the > traffic stop. See Also: Item (1) > > As you'd imagine, the full version is richer in content, > but I think I've captured the gist. I'm sure Mike will > correct me if I've ommited anything crucial. crucial? well, he left out the part about how he used to own a yamaha xt550. oh, and the 11 years off from riding. and his 6'6" frame. and the battleys service crew giving free do-it-yourself clinics. and the screaming eagle pipes being too loud. and the delaware slab ride, but with full face helmet on. oh, and the.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 17:11:55 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: A reply from a friend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- mojohand@XXXXXX wrote: > Well I read it it all, and Mike was right on the money, so far as I'm > concerned. For those of you with ADD, here's the short version: > > 1) Stop whining about your d*mn tickets. It's boring. Suck it up. > > 2) If you're gonna speed, split lanes, etc, be a man and take ownership > of the fact you knew you were breaking the law and accept the inevitable > consequences. See Also: Item (1) > > 3) You might want to look at how much time you're really saving by > speeding. On under 100 mile trips, it's never much. > > 4) And that's not counting the time you lost in the traffic stop. See > Also: Item (1) Forgot one: 5) Feel free to take yourself out but don't take out any bystanders if you can help it. > > As you'd imagine, the full version is richer in content, but I think > I've captured the gist. I'm sure Mike will correct me if I've ommited > anything crucial. And I'm with Mike as well. If you can't afford it, don't do it. Bikes are luxuries after all, even if you choose to ride 365. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 17:13:01 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Tom Gimer , Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A reply from a friend Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:46 -0400 On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Gimer wrote > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > > Now *that* required a little soapbox balancing. > > > > Anyone make it through more than the first and last > > sentence? Cliff's > > Notes? > > i made it to here: > "I used to try to drive legally, but the speed differential > was just too great, so I only do it when the road is mostly > empty now." > > did anyone call bullshit yet? > > -- > tg I had to turn my BS detector off for the DC-cycle list to many true - positives. That and the batterys keep dying from always going off. I need the AC adaptor. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 17:39:05 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:57:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: VFR Brakes, was Re: Air / 2 more for rafting On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > There's really no need to disconnect the hydraulics, unless you need to replace the caliper seals. The remainder of the maintenance (new pads, fluid replacement, greasing the sliders) can be done without disconnecting the hydraulic lines. > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR Agreed. And a MityVac works great for 1 man, no-mess bleeding for your cars/bikes. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 17:42:42 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Story on sh.org Someone started a thread on the suzukihayabusa.org message board about a stolen Hayabusa. He claims that the police were called and a shootout resulted. http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=31947 Seems like a BS story. I tried searching the online news outlets for any confirmation, but couldn't find any. Here is what he posted... "Sorry guys.............It's a wrap.Things did get a little physical but dude got his Busa back.Let's just say the thieves were face down at my last glance and due to the amount of 9mm casings used I doubt if they will be stealing anything again....." -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 18:38:52 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:21:33 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Ram Mounts At 03:48 PM 8/16/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >>The new RAM stuff looks interesting for other uses though. I still >think they have >>an ugly handlebar clamp...basically a U-bolt. Chrome plating it helps, >but it's still ugly. > >Did a little digging around the site links you sent and found this nice >alternative... > >http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_870.jpg - Part number >"gCLMP1" I thought I had the link to that in my message? It's the Tourtech one that I got... >...when combined, they make this... >http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_grahex.jpg Yep, that's how I attached my GPS mount to the Tourtech clamp (gCLAMP1). Works like a champ. >A much nicer option, IMO. This stuff is like a d@mn Erector set for >gadget junkies... My wife is gonna kill me. :o Yeah, it can add up fast...particularly if you don't use the "standard" arm length. Both the shorter and the longer cost extra. On the other hand, what's it worth to have what you need and have it work well every time you need it? No slipping, sliding, or other problems with mine since I got it last fall. Just does what it is supposed to do. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 18:38:56 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:24:33 -0400 To: mojohand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: A reply from a friend At 02:51 PM 8/16/04 -0500, mojohand@XXXXXX wrote: >Well I read it it all, and Mike was right on the money, so far as I'm concerned. For those of you with ADD, here's the short version: >As you'd imagine, the full version is richer in content, but I think I've captured the gist. I'm sure Mike will correct me if I've ommited anything crucial. Yes, I would, but you didn't. Excellent summary. Thank you. Please post more often...I need to study your style. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 19:02:43 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ram Mounts Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:02:39 -0400 >No slipping, sliding, or other problems with mine since I got it last fall. >Just does what it is supposed to do. What a radical concept! Michael J. R-A-M user for about 4 years now. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 19:14:33 2004 Subject: RE: Ram Mounts Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:14:23 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Mike Bartman" , "dc Cycles" >>http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_870.jpg - Part number >>"gCLMP1" > I thought I had the link to that in my message? It's the Tourtech one that I got... Right you are. I just didn't realize it was the same piece. MUCH nicer than the U-bolt mounts used by RAM. > Yeah, it can add up fast...particularly if you don't use the "standard" arm length. I'll bet... Especially when I don't know what to order for my existing GPS. :( It's a PDA with a GPS "shell"... Might be a bit too big for the Universal mount and nothing I see under the PDA section applies to mine. I may just have to give RAM a call on that one. > Both the shorter and the longer cost extra. On the other hand, what's it worth > to have what you need and have it work well every time you need it? No slipping, > sliding, or other problems with mine since I got it last fall. Just does what > it is supposed to do. I'm actually more worried about the vibrations on my PDA and GPS sleeve. My "toy fund" just went for a pipe and jet kit, no way I can get a new GPS past the accountant (wife) as well. :( --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 19:38:28 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:38:56 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Ram Mounts At 07:14 PM 8/16/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >I'm actually more worried about the vibrations on my PDA and GPS sleeve. >My "toy fund" just went for a pipe and jet kit, no way I can get a new >GPS past the accountant (wife) as well. :( That's a valid worry, and calling RAM might be the best way to get a good recommendation, but the rubber balls in the mounts do provide some vibration isolation. On the other hand, while they have PDA mounts, I don't know that they have one specifically for a PDA with a GPS attachment...but maybe they'll make one if they know folks want one? Worth a try. Good luck! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 20:32:08 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet cleaning On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Found this little tidbit right off the bat. Just for future reference. :-) > > "1. Motorcycle Helmet Cleaning > You have a few options for cleaning the inside of a motorcycle helmet. Many people use shampoo - just fill the helmet with water, shampoo the pads and scrub. Rinse well, and allow to dry in the sun - won)Bt harm the helmet, but it will take quite a while to get thoroughly dry. Or, you can use a light mixture of Woolite on a wet rag then a clean wet rag to rinse and a clean dry rag to dry it a little. Let it dry a couple of days. Or, you can try one of the commercial helmet cleaners. Theyre widely available, and you should be able to find something at your local bike shops." > I've used a slight variation of this. Remove top rack of diswasher to make room, place hement and two tablespoons of woolite inside. Set for gentle cycle, no heat dry. Wait for it to complete, then put helmet in front of table fan. Cleaned my HJC a few times like this. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 20:35:21 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Ram Mounts Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:35:24 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > > Did a little digging around the site links you sent and found this nice > alternative... > > http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_870.jpg - Part number > "gCLMP1" > > ...And this... http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/grahex.jpg - Part > number "grahex" > > ...when combined, they make this... > http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_grahex.jpg > > A much nicer option, IMO. This stuff is like a d@mn Erector set for > gadget junkies... My wife is gonna kill me. :o > > --smthng > .... For us handlebar-challenged bike owners, there's a trick RAM-compatible ball mount that uses the clutch and/or brake master cylinder/lever assemblies. http://www.cyclegadgets.com/Products/product.asp?item=RAM-BA Scan about 3/4 of the way down the page. One can raise the ire of the Ministry of Finance in a big hurry at Cyclegadgets.com You can see my two RAM balls on my VFR here. One is *never* enough! http://community.webshots.com/album/122031060xTvAZb Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 21:19:34 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" , , Subject: Turning 40k Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:19:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Turning 40 From: lister lynch To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:54:18 -0400 :-) The VFR was at exactly 35000 when I got on it this AM. Mike On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 10:24, Troutman wrote: > I almost forgot - the VFR flipped 40k last Thursday on Wiehle in Reston. I > have been out of town so much this summer, it has been taking longer and > longer to hit milestone mileages. I am currently between 41 and 42k. I just replaced my D&D that had rusted out. New chain and Sprockets too :) http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/lisa-sprocket.html Lisa '95 VFR '97 GSXR600, track only From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 21:52:26 2004 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:52:18 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Robert Subject: Re: A reply from a friend Cc: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Speaking of which, I have an invite for a gmail account if anyone wants it. Ping me off list. On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:33:14 -0400, Robert wrote: > Gmail has a nice filter for just that purpose. > > ;-) > > Robert > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 22:32:26 2004 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Inspection Issues Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:31:48 -0400 Hi Folks - Having finally identified modestly-priced DC-based m/c insurance coverage, I'm preparing to switch the registration/titling of my '79 Bonneville from MD to DC. Even though I work hard to keep my bike in excellent running condition, with vintage machinery such as mine things sometimes don't work exactly they did on the showroom floor. As a result, I'm hoping to get some insight into the areas that DC inspection focuses on so I can ensure I get through it smoothly the first time around. When I last registered a bike in DC back in the late '80s, bike inspection consisted of turning on the headlights, turn signals, and beeping the horn, then shooting the breeze with the inspector for 10 minutes about favorite rides. I suspect that things are more rigorous now, but am interested in hearing specifics from anyone who's done it recently, especially with an older machine. Thanks! Dave ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenstein@XXXXXX 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 16 22:48:30 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:48:16 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues David, Put it this way... you might get lucky. I know I did. My chain was way too loose (I'm a newbie, I make mistakes) and the bike stalled whilst it was being inspected -- and it STILL passed inspection. I got some frowns and some head shakes, but it passed. So, considering what I've heard others go through, you will want to err on the overly cautious side. Also I suggest you consider not going on a Monday morning first thing, and make sure they're open when you choose to go. Code Orange air quality days I believe shut them down early or make their open hours somewhat erratic. -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 Seca II David Lowenstein wrote: > Hi Folks - > > Having finally identified modestly-priced DC-based m/c insurance coverage, > I'm preparing to switch the registration/titling of my '79 Bonneville from > MD to DC. Even though I work hard to keep my bike in excellent running > condition, with vintage machinery such as mine things sometimes don't work > exactly they did on the showroom floor. As a result, I'm hoping to get some > insight into the areas that DC inspection focuses on so I can ensure I get > through it smoothly the first time around. > > When I last registered a bike in DC back in the late '80s, bike inspection > consisted of turning on the headlights, turn signals, and beeping the horn, > then shooting the breeze with the inspector for 10 minutes about favorite > rides. I suspect that things are more rigorous now, but am interested in > hearing specifics from anyone who's done it recently, especially with an > older machine. > > Thanks! > > Dave > > ========================================= > Dave Lowenstein > Washington, DC > dlowenstein@XXXXXX > > 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver > 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville > 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter > Keeping parts guys in business nationwide > ========================================= > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 07:29:47 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Turning 40k To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX FWIW, that's probably a steel sprocket, esp if its the Honda one. Glenn --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > I am currently between 41 and 42k. I just replaced > my D&D that had rusted > out. New chain and Sprockets too :) > http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/lisa-sprocket.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 08:00:23 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues To: David Lowenstein , dc-cycles@XXXXXX That was pretty much it for me. --- David Lowenstein wrote: > Hi Folks - > > Having finally identified modestly-priced DC-based > m/c insurance coverage, > I'm preparing to switch the registration/titling of > my '79 Bonneville from > MD to DC. Even though I work hard to keep my bike > in excellent running > condition, with vintage machinery such as mine > things sometimes don't work > exactly they did on the showroom floor. As a > result, I'm hoping to get some > insight into the areas that DC inspection focuses on > so I can ensure I get > through it smoothly the first time around. > > When I last registered a bike in DC back in the late > '80s, bike inspection > consisted of turning on the headlights, turn > signals, and beeping the horn, > then shooting the breeze with the inspector for 10 > minutes about favorite > rides. I suspect that things are more rigorous now, > but am interested in > hearing specifics from anyone who's done it > recently, especially with an > older machine. > > Thanks! > > Dave > > ========================================= > Dave Lowenstein > Washington, DC > dlowenstein@XXXXXX > > 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver > 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville > 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter > Keeping parts guys in business nationwide > ========================================= > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 08:30:55 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:49:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: VFR Sighting Picture taken July 4th near Ocala, FL... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/hambel/Hauling1.jpg What's the payload capacity of a VFR? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 08:51:43 2004 Subject: RE: VFR Sighting Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:51:39 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Wayne Edelen" , >Picture taken July 4th near Ocala, FL... Ocala!?! What does anyone other than me do in Ocala? My mom lives in Ocklawaha, so I go down there fairly regularly. Went to high school in the area too. Wayne, were you just passing through, or do you have ties to Ocala as well? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 08:54:27 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: VFR Sighting On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > >Picture taken July 4th near Ocala, FL... > > Ocala!?! What does anyone other than me do in Ocala? My mom lives in > Ocklawaha, so I go down there fairly regularly. Went to high school in > the area too. Wayne, were you just passing through, or do you have ties > to Ocala as well? I lifted the pic from another Hayabusa owner. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 09:10:14 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:10:11 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues To: David Lowenstein , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've got a number of the older Brit bikes. Here's my experience of registering and inspecting them in DC... Registration, you may get lucky but you will more likely have a DMV clerk who has no idea how to title and register the bike. Be prepared to wait while they figure out how to get an older bike into their computer system. My experience is that the older bikes don't show up in their database and if it's not "on their list" they will have to get about 9 guys from their IT department to register it for you. Inspection, usually it is cake. If you have any issues at all, it will be with not having signals (assuming the bike still does not have signals). Be prepared to explain/prove that the bike never had signals in the first place. A number of the DMV inspection guys ride so it's more likely that you'll sit there and talk about the bike. I had one bike that refused to start when I finally got to the front of the line (BSA) and I passed anyway so you are probably going to be just fine--- once you get it registered! Cheers, patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 09:11:46 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:11:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: David Lowenstein , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues -----Original Message----- From: David Lowenstein Hi Folks - ..... When I last registered a bike in DC back in the late '80s, bike inspection consisted of turning on the headlights, turn signals, and beeping the horn, then shooting the breeze with the inspector for 10 minutes about favorite rides. I suspect that things are more rigorous now, but am interested in hearing specifics from anyone who's done it recently, especially with an older machine. Thanks! Dave ---------- Nope not rigorous in the slightest. I wish they'd do away the inspection for motos; it's a joke. Pretty much lights and horn. Although the inspector did mention crappy tires once, but didn't fail me for it. The only time I've "failed" was for some aftermarket lights they didn't much like. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 09:26:31 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:26:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR Sighting -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen Picture taken July 4th near Ocala, FL... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/hambel/Hauling1.jpg What's the payload capacity of a VFR? :-) --------- Yeah, that's a lot of stuff, and none too secure. It's a VFR, but he has some sort of dual-can aftermarket pipe on it. You can haul at lot a bit more neatly. Here's mine at Fort Peck Dam in Montana, from this June. http://home.earthlink.net/~viffermaniac/mule.jpg Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 09:37:08 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:36:57 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: VFR Sighting Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:49:28 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen wrote: > Picture taken July 4th near Ocala, FL... > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/hambel/Hauling1.jpg > > What's the payload capacity of a VFR? :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > Less than a BMW GS. http://amaurer.smugmug.com/gallery/194865/1/7420058 http://amaurer.smugmug.com/gallery/194865/1/7420059 (and certainly less than those little two-strokers I've seen oversees carrying an entire family, plus pets.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 10:07:31 2004 From: "customtankbags" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: VFR Sighting Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:07:25 -0400 Well, if'n we're talkin BMWs... I humbly offer this one. Second pic. http://www.customtankbags.com/stuff LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Hollywood, FL AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Aaron Maurer said: Less than a BMW GS. http://amaurer.smugmug.com/gallery/194865/1/7420058 http://amaurer.smugmug.com/gallery/194865/1/7420059 (and certainly less than those little two-strokers I've seen oversees carrying an entire family, plus pets.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 10:14:21 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: VFR Sighting To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Jesus, that can't be fun to ride. --- customtankbags wrote: > Well, if'n we're talkin BMWs... > > I humbly offer this one. Second pic. > > http://www.customtankbags.com/stuff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 11:31:37 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR Sighting Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:31:08 -0400 That's an '02+ with a set of aftermarket slip ons. Staintunes, maybe. George can you confirm? Not a bad packing job, either. But with some GIVI's you'd get even more on there! HELLO Headshake! ;) Rob '98 VFR800 (in full Givi tour mode) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR Sighting Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:26:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen Picture taken July 4th near Ocala, FL... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/hambel/Hauling1.jpg What's the payload capacity of a VFR? :-) --------- Yeah, that's a lot of stuff, and none too secure. It's a VFR, but he has some sort of dual-can aftermarket pipe on it. You can haul at lot a bit more neatly. Here's mine at Fort Peck Dam in Montana, from this June. http://home.earthlink.net/~viffermaniac/mule.jpg Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 14:40:16 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:39:58 EDT Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/17/2004 9:10:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: > I had one bike that refused to start when I finally > got to the front of the line (BSA) That is one way to pass pollution control testing. Do not laugh, Yamaha once got a two cycle through by putting what amounted to a cork in the exhaust during deceleration. It worked (for about a year.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 14:47:51 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:47:39 EDT Subject: Re: VFR Sighting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/17/2004 9:26:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah, that's a lot of stuff, Izzat all? Hell I moved my wife (girlfriend at the time) from Tenn. to Florida on my bike and we were _both_ on the bike with a lot more shituff then that. The crazy part is we met another couple, riding a 360 Honda, who were moving also and they made us look positively empty. When traveling I often refer to my bike as "The worlds smallest motorhome" Tent, sleeping bags, food, two burner stove, and even a shower. Two up. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 15:06:07 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: The price of bearings. Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:10:58 -0400 Front wheel bearings, that is. 6004. Double sealed. Called Motion Industries in Alexandria, and they quoted me $16+change for one bearing. Checked servicehonda.com and they come up with $15+change. Since when did OEM get cheaper than off the shelf parts? Is this the twilight zone? Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 15:13:57 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:13:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Lister Lynch , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: The price of bearings. -----Original Message----- From: Lister Lynch Front wheel bearings, that is. 6004. Double sealed. Called Motion Industries in Alexandria, and they quoted me $16+change for one bearing. Checked servicehonda.com and they come up with $15+change. Since when did OEM get cheaper than off the shelf parts? Is this the twilight zone? Mike ----- Are the OEM ones sealed? Perhaps that explains the difference. It's been a couple of years since I replaced them and I don't recall. I got mine at Motion Industries and the OEMs were more expensive at the time. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 15:17:52 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: VFR Sighting Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:22:43 -0400 Reminds me of the time I rode back from Albany NY with two 33"x12.50" off-road truck tires strapped to the back of my CB1000. Someone got a pic leaning out their car window in NJ somewhere. :-) Mike Speaking of CB1000, anybody need any rotors? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2487347783 -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 8/17/2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: VFR Sighting In a message dated 8/17/2004 9:26:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah, that's a lot of stuff, Izzat all? Hell I moved my wife (girlfriend at the time) from Tenn. to Florida on my bike and we were _both_ on the bike with a lot more shituff then that. The crazy part is we met another couple, riding a 360 Honda, who were moving also and they made us look positively empty. When traveling I often refer to my bike as "The worlds smallest motorhome" Tent, sleeping bags, food, two burner stove, and even a shower. Two up. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 15:30:13 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:30:10 -0400 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: Lister Lynch Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: The price of bearings. X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server No, it's not the twilight zone, but it is the nature of attempting to purchase bearings (and other hardware) from some resellers. Call places in Baltimore (no suggestions, sorry). If you know what you want, you should be able to find it for $5-$10 each, but you may have to buy 100! I'll bet you can find them at: http://www.mcmaster.com/ Stephen Quoting Lister Lynch : > Front wheel bearings, that is. 6004. Double sealed. > > Called Motion Industries in Alexandria, and they quoted me $16+change for > one bearing. Checked servicehonda.com and they come up with $15+change. > > Since when did OEM get cheaper than off the shelf parts? Is this the > twilight zone? > > Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 15:44:28 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: stephen@XXXXXX, Lister Lynch Subject: Re: The price of bearings. Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" -----Original Message----- From: stephen@XXXXXX No, it's not the twilight zone, but it is the nature of attempting to purchase bearings (and other hardware) from some resellers. Call places in Baltimore (no suggestions, sorry). If you know what you want, you should be able to find it for $5-$10 each, but you may have to buy 100! I'll bet you can find them at: http://www.mcmaster.com/ Stephen Quoting Lister Lynch : > Front wheel bearings, that is. 6004. Double sealed. > ---- Just so y'all know, bearing sizes are standardized across the industry and can be specified and sourced from different manufacturers, just like Mama Honda does. The industrialized world would literally grind to a halt w/o bearings. Google up "Schweinfurt" and "8th Air Force" if you don't believe me. http://www.ntnamerica.com/Knowledge/Intro_Ball_Bearings/Bearing_Numbering_System.htm A "6004" is 20 mm bore, 42 outer diam. and 12 mm wide. Different manufacturers add suffixes for the seals, single-sided, double-sided, etc. Honda specified simply a "6004" (I looked it up on the 'fiche) which suggests to me the OEMs are not sealed?? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 15:44:38 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'stephen@XXXXXX '" Cc: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' '" Subject: RE: The price of bearings. Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:49:30 -0400 Yep, found them at mcmaster when I was doing the research. $20+change there. Honda spec'd them as 6004UU, which I thought meant double sealed. Mike -----Original Message----- From: stephen@XXXXXX To: Lister Lynch Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Sent: 8/17/2004 3:30 PM Subject: Re: The price of bearings. No, it's not the twilight zone, but it is the nature of attempting to purchase bearings (and other hardware) from some resellers. Call places in Baltimore (no suggestions, sorry). If you know what you want, you should be able to find it for $5-$10 each, but you may have to buy 100! I'll bet you can find them at: http://www.mcmaster.com/ Stephen Quoting Lister Lynch : > Front wheel bearings, that is. 6004. Double sealed. > > Called Motion Industries in Alexandria, and they quoted me $16+change for > one bearing. Checked servicehonda.com and they come up with $15+change. > > Since when did OEM get cheaper than off the shelf parts? Is this the > twilight zone? > > Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 16:11:52 2004 Subject: Wh00p! Mods done. Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:11:48 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Had to share the love with someone... Just got my FZ1 back from Champion. Had Nick install Ivan's Jet Kit, a Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium slip-on, and get rid of the Air Induction System (a bunch of plumbing that feeds air into the headers from the airbox... Supposedly to help burn off any escaped fuel). I must say, the pipe and jet made a HUGE difference to the FZ. I've done the same mods to my previous two Yamahas (a Seca II and YZF600), but they've never awoken a bike like the FZ1! Handlebar vibrations reduced drastically, heat reducement by a HUGE amount, MUCH smoother idle, much cleaner power curve, much harder "pull" but more controllable, and a h3ll of a cool sound. The RS3 pipe has a nice low rumble to it (especially when under power) and doesn't "scream" like a Muzzy or D&D. It has a really sweet "growl" when taking off as well. Aesthetically, I'm glad I went with the titanium instead of stainless or carbon. The titanium "fits" the look of the FZ1 due to the amount of brushed aluminum on the bike. I think the stainless and carbon fiber would have both looked out of place (might work on the black fizzy, but not my blue). Dyno charts show about 8 more peak horses and about 4 more lbs of torque. The graph shows that I lost a ton of power under 2000 RPM, but who plays down there anyway? It more than makes up for it from 2500 and up. Nice and smooth slope from there up to 11000, which is easily felt as well as being on the chart. :) I'm sure Champion charged me a fair bit more than anyone else would have, but it was definately worth every penny! Now... If only I didn't have this whole "work" think keeping me off it for the rest of the day. :( --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 17:40:04 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: VFR Sighting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen > > Picture taken July 4th near Ocala, FL... > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/hambel/Hauling1.jpg > > What's the payload capacity of a VFR? :-) > > --------- > > Yeah, that's a lot of stuff, and none too secure. It's a VFR, but he > has some sort of dual-can aftermarket pipe on it. > > You can haul at lot a bit more neatly. Here's mine at Fort Peck Dam in > Montana, from this June. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~viffermaniac/mule.jpg > It's not a VFR, but I got a lot on my Harley last year. Should be a bit more packed Thursday when we do it again. http://www.geocities.com/va_bofh/personal/boise/200308/album.day2.html > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 18:03:24 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Wh00p! Mods done. To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jonathan - Glad you like the mods. A friend of mine installed ivan's kit on his FZ1 last week, and reported pretty much the same experience. If you're willing to say, offlist or otherwise, how much did Champion charge you for the carb kit install? I'm curious how much my friend saved by doing it himself..... Thanks, Brian --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > Had to share the love with someone... > > Just got my FZ1 back from Champion. Had Nick > install Ivan's Jet Kit, a > Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium slip-on, and get rid of > the Air Induction > System (a bunch of plumbing that feeds air into the > headers from the > airbox... Supposedly to help burn off any escaped > fuel). > > I must say, the pipe and jet made a HUGE difference > to the FZ. I've > done the same mods to my previous two Yamahas (a > Seca II and YZF600), > but they've never awoken a bike like the FZ1! > Handlebar vibrations > reduced drastically, heat reducement by a HUGE > amount, MUCH smoother > idle, much cleaner power curve, much harder "pull" > but more > controllable, and a h3ll of a cool sound. > > The RS3 pipe has a nice low rumble to it (especially > when under power) > and doesn't "scream" like a Muzzy or D&D. It has a > really sweet "growl" > when taking off as well. > > Aesthetically, I'm glad I went with the titanium > instead of stainless or > carbon. The titanium "fits" the look of the FZ1 due > to the amount of > brushed aluminum on the bike. I think the stainless > and carbon fiber > would have both looked out of place (might work on > the black fizzy, but > not my blue). > > Dyno charts show about 8 more peak horses and about > 4 more lbs of > torque. The graph shows that I lost a ton of power > under 2000 RPM, but > who plays down there anyway? It more than makes up > for it from 2500 and > up. Nice and smooth slope from there up to 11000, > which is easily felt > as well as being on the chart. :) > > I'm sure Champion charged me a fair bit more than > anyone else would > have, but it was definately worth every penny! > > Now... If only I didn't have this whole "work" think > keeping me off it > for the rest of the day. :( > > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech > Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, > Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS > removed. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 18:12:16 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>That is one way to pass pollution control testing. No emissions test for bikes in DC! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 18:21:34 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: joe harding Subject: Re: VFR Sighting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey all. First time poster here. I also ride a VFR, the silver '03 model. I've been lurking alot and notice there's alot of VFR riders. Was wondering if anyone else is on the VFR Discussion board. (www.vfrdiscusion.com) Gobs of information there..all about the VFR, all generations. Well, Hello and see ya on the road. JOEY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 18:50:36 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:50:29 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: VFR Sighting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX sorry, the URL was wrong. it's www.vfrdiscussion.com --- joe harding wrote: > Hey all. First time poster here. I also ride a > VFR, > the silver '03 model. I've been lurking alot and > notice there's alot of VFR riders. Was wondering if > anyone else is on the VFR Discussion board. > (www.vfrdiscusion.com) Gobs of information > there..all > about the VFR, all generations. > > Well, Hello and see ya on the road. > > JOEY > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We > finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 19:02:10 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:50:08 -0400 Same w/ VA. >From: dcpatti >To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:12:10 -0700 (PDT) > > >>That is one way to pass pollution control testing. > > >No emissions test for bikes in DC! > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 19:25:28 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "joe harding" , Subject: Re: VFR Sighting Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:25:35 -0400 I'm on there occasionally, but much prefer email-based lists, like the VFR List. I'm lazy and it's just too much effort to drill down into all those topics. :) Welcome aboard, Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe harding" > Hey all. First time poster here. I also ride a VFR, > the silver '03 model. I've been lurking alot and > notice there's alot of VFR riders. Was wondering if > anyone else is on the VFR Discussion board. > (www.vfrdiscusion.com) Gobs of information there..all > about the VFR, all generations. > > Well, Hello and see ya on the road. > > JOEY From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 20:51:27 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:56:12 -0400 Subject: welding question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" One of my bikes was hit (and run) while parked. A stop-tab on the bottom of the frame neck was broken. As a result, the fork tube on that side smacks the tank, when turned far enough. My question: can another tab be welded on or built up (frame is steel) without overheating the lower steering head bearings, or do they have to be removed first? Thanx, --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 21:42:56 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: VFRs etc... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Greetings DC Guys 'n Gals, Pretty entertaining and informative posts recently.. gotta love a packed VFR(!) I remember seeing a pic some time ago of a bike in California (I think it was a VFR) pulling a sailboat. Saw another pic of a VFR with a Honda Civic wheel on her.. lol. Thanks for the bearing info - Paul, you're a veritable fount of VFR knowledge. On my '95 I need to replace my clutch (again)@64K miles (I swear that's what the odo says _precisely_ at this moment in my garage). My next chain/sprocket RR will be a 520 conversion. There is no way the VFR needs a 530.. unless maybe you're Freddie Spencer and/or have the 840cc mod from DynamoHumm. Mr. Troutman, I see you're of the "if it ain't broke don't mess w/ it" school of maintenance philosophy ;) I would stick w/ OEM brake pads Mike, especially if you have SS lines. And, I'd definitely pull the pistons out of the calipers. At 40K, they need some attention. Buy the dust/oil seals for all three. Don't forget to get the dirt out of the swingarm and hub area too, I bet you're having a tough time adjusting your chain anymore ;) Joey: thanks for the VFRD URL.. VF cool. BTW, who's the pilot on a 94-97 that does the GWP in/out of Alexandria every day? I'm the blue/silver 95 with one (bright) yellow headlamp. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 23:00:39 2004 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Inspection Issues Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:00:01 -0400 Great feedback, thanks Sean, Paul, Patti, John and Mark. I'll report back if I discover any new developments in the process. One more question: The DC DMV website suggests that if your vehicle currently has valid registration, you should begin the DC process by getting DC inspection (i.e., under my MD registration), and then proceed to DC DMV for DC registration. Has anyone actually done this? It doesn't discombobulate the process to show up for DC inspection with MD tags? Dave ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Steele" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:48:16 -0400 > Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues > > David, > > Put it this way... you might get lucky. I know I did. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 23:20:35 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: garcia oliver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: welding question Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:25:27 -0400 Another tab can be welded back on. The issue wouldn't be heating the bearing itself up too much, but rather the fact that you're going to smoke the grease that's in there. Either way, you'll need to repack the bearings, so might as well clean the old grease out first. Mike -----Original Message----- From: garcia oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:56 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: welding question One of my bikes was hit (and run) while parked. A stop-tab on the bottom of the frame neck was broken. As a result, the fork tube on that side smacks the tank, when turned far enough. My question: can another tab be welded on or built up (frame is steel) without overheating the lower steering head bearings, or do they have to be removed first? Thanx, --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 23:24:40 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFRs etc... Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:29:33 -0400 Leaving Alex around 10-10:30, returning 7-7:30 would be me. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Kozyn [mailto:mr_vfr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:43 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFRs etc... Greetings DC Guys 'n Gals, Pretty entertaining and informative posts recently.. gotta love a packed VFR(!) I remember seeing a pic some time ago of a bike in California (I think it was a VFR) pulling a sailboat. Saw another pic of a VFR with a Honda Civic wheel on her.. lol. Thanks for the bearing info - Paul, you're a veritable fount of VFR knowledge. On my '95 I need to replace my clutch (again)@64K miles (I swear that's what the odo says _precisely_ at this moment in my garage). My next chain/sprocket RR will be a 520 conversion. There is no way the VFR needs a 530.. unless maybe you're Freddie Spencer and/or have the 840cc mod from DynamoHumm. Mr. Troutman, I see you're of the "if it ain't broke don't mess w/ it" school of maintenance philosophy ;) I would stick w/ OEM brake pads Mike, especially if you have SS lines. And, I'd definitely pull the pistons out of the calipers. At 40K, they need some attention. Buy the dust/oil seals for all three. Don't forget to get the dirt out of the swingarm and hub area too, I bet you're having a tough time adjusting your chain anymore ;) Joey: thanks for the VFRD URL.. VF cool. BTW, who's the pilot on a 94-97 that does the GWP in/out of Alexandria every day? I'm the blue/silver 95 with one (bright) yellow headlamp. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 17 23:52:59 2004 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:52:48 -0400 To: "garcia oliver" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: welding question At 08:56 PM 8/17/04 -0400, garcia oliver wrote: >My question: can another tab be welded on or built up (frame is steel) >without overheating the lower steering head bearings, or do they have to >be removed first? First, I am not a welder, though I am teaching myself to weld (and if anyone knows of any classes in Maryland, please let me know...Montgomery College doesn't seem to be running them this year). Also, all of my experience so far is with gas, not electric, so what I know of electric welding is from books and TV so far. That said, I'd say the answer is "it depends". Mostly it depends on where the tab is located relative to the bearings. Other factors will include the skill of the welder, the type of welding used (TIG might be best to keep heat localized and under tight control...definitely don't use OAW!), whether you are welding on, or building up (welding on will result in a lot less heat soak of the surrounding areas) and how much heat the bearings can take without damage (or a fire from the grease lighting off). You will definitely be re-painting the area no matter what. There are also products designed to limit heat spread...they basically evaporate to take the heat away, and you apply them to the areas you are trying to keep cool. There was a recent American Choppers show where they used one...I think Vinnie called it "welder's snot" or something like that, but I'm suspicious whether that's the actual product name...though from appearances, it's apt. In that show they'd forgotten to weld in the fork stops (inside the steering tube top) before sending things out for chroming, and, as per usual, were doing final assembly with a tight deadline when they noticed...Paul Sr. was not pleased...though it's sometimes hard to tell that from his normal state. By being really careful, and using the coolant stuff, Paulie managed to weld in the required part without damaging the nearby chrome. Lots of little spot welds, with time to cool between, some of that snot stuff, and a few wet rags here and there kept the heat from spreading too much into the other parts of the bike. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 09:14:43 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:14:38 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "list-dcoffroad" , "List-dc cycles" CC: "list-nvtr" , "list-DualsportRiders" Subject: sale: FMF Q pipe for DR350 sale: FMF Q pipe for DR350. $195 + shipping. Excellent condition, used about 4 months and 200 miles. Previous owner installed it, but I replaced it with stock. Came off a 1998 DR350ES; I believe it fits all DR350's. Pictures available on request. thanks, Chris Norloff Virginia ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Autos. Everything you need to know about buying or selling a car. FREE Quotes, 360)B Tours, Research, Blue Book, Compare Vehicles, Buy Used http://us.click.yahoo.com/kEZsdA/bwnGAA/YiGOAA/6liolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Checkout Dual Sport News at http://www.dualsportnews.com Be part of the Adventure!. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 09:28:00 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:27:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: David Lowenstein , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues -----Original Message----- From: David Lowenstein Great feedback, thanks Sean, Paul, Patti, John and Mark. I'll report back if I discover any new developments in the process. One more question: The DC DMV website suggests that if your vehicle currently has valid registration, you should begin the DC process by getting DC inspection (i.e., under my MD registration), and then proceed to DC DMV for DC registration. Has anyone actually done this? It doesn't discombobulate the process to show up for DC inspection with MD tags? Dave ---- I believe this will work and it saves a step of getting a temporary tag. Just make sure they give you correct paperwork to take to the DMV office, otherwise you'll have to go back. BTDT. Devise some sort of plan for where you want the sticker to end up. The stickers aren't really designed for motos; they're designed for windshields. They usually want to slap it on the forks using some sort of not too durable clear tape. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 09:35:07 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:34:56 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues Paul W. opined: > The stickers aren't really designed for motos; they're designed for > windshields. They usually want to slap it on the forks using some > sort of not too durable clear tape. Yep, this is a continuing problem for me. I have yet to find a permanent (or even semi-permanent) way to affix that durn sticker to my moto. Also, the temp tag (cardboard) is laughably huge -- it's meant for a car. I felt like I had a sail on the back of the bike. -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 10:05:37 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:05:34 -0400 From: J D Reply-To: J D To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Alexandria parking I've got to head into the Alexandria - Fairfax Drive / GMU area and would prefer to bike so I can use the HOV to get in, but I can not seem to find any information about parking. I would like to find out ahead of time if there are any bike parking spaces like DC, and/or garages that are bike friendly. Anyone frequent that area and know what the parking situation is down there? -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 10:13:49 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: DC Inspection Issues Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:13:42 -0400 > > From: "Sean Steele" > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed AM 09:34:56 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues > > Paul W. opined: > > > The stickers aren't really designed for motos; they're designed for > > windshields. They usually want to slap it on the forks using some > > sort of not too durable clear tape. > > Yep, this is a continuing problem for me. I have yet to find a > permanent (or even semi-permanent) way to affix that durn sticker to my > moto. > > Also, the temp tag (cardboard) is laughably huge -- it's meant for a > car. I felt like I had a sail on the back of the bike. > > -Sean > ..would clear laminate, (like what's used to cover ID cards), work? A little larger than the sticker should work. Also, Patriot HD in Fairfax (as probably other HD dealers), have chrome (what else?), sticker holders that mount anywhere that there's an available bolt. They usually just give them out but even if they don't, I doubt it's much more than a couple of bucks. I absolutely *hate* putting stickers anywhere on my bike. Especially on the fork downtubes. Looks like crap and they leave a mess when taken off. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 10:33:07 2004 Subject: RE: Re: DC Inspection Issues Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:33:02 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >Also, Patriot HD in Fairfax (as probably other HD dealers), have chrome > (what else?), sticker holders that mount anywhere that there's an available > bolt. They usually just give them out but even if they don't, I doubt it's > much more than a couple of bucks. They're $10 if you're not a regular or if you roll up on anything other than a Harley. I haven't mounted mine yet, because I also have to figure out how to get the d@mn county sticker on as well (that, and I'm just being lazy... Sticker is in my bag if questioned). The plate isn't big enough for both. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 10:36:02 2004 Subject: CBR1000 on Ffx Co Pkwy Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:35:58 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: I was tailing a black CBR1000 with a Dell laptop case strapped to it this morning. Running down Fairfax County Parkway. It wasn't by chance a lister was it? If so, your laptop was starting to slide off to the right. Not enough to lose it yet, but might want to keep an eye on the bungie net... It may be stretching a bit too much for ya. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 10:38:04 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:38:04 -0400 To: "Sean Steele" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues At 09:34 AM 8/18/04 -0400, Sean Steele wrote: >Yep, this is a continuing problem for me. I have yet to find a >permanent (or even semi-permanent) way to affix that durn sticker to my >moto. For temporary use when I worked at GSFC and rode the Honda I put the base sticker on a piece of plexiglass, and hung it from the handlebars with a couple of leather straps (using snaps). A similar idea could be used for any sticker...and if you need it more permanent, use hose clamps, fabricated brackets, or other method of fixing the plexiglass backer to the bike. Won't work if you have a fairing, but if you have a fairing, you have a place to stick the sticker anyway. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 10:58:25 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: insurance Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:48:17 -0400 I realized my comp deductable is lower than I thought, so I'm claiming my slip-on & the bolt assemebly I had stolen. I plan on putting this on myself. Allstate said someone would come out and give me and estimate & check (since I own it outright), otherwise a shop would have to do it. A shop could claim they need more money to do the job. How can I maximize the estimate? If he priced a new stock system w/ labor from Coleman's I'm sure it would be far more than me claiming the price of the slip-on and bolt assembly. I need to get the check though, not Colemans. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 11:01:30 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Alexandria parking Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:41:33 -0400 I think you're talking about Arlington. No MC specific parking. Zones don't apply to bikes. >From: J D >Reply-To: J D >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Alexandria parking >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:05:34 -0400 > >I've got to head into the Alexandria - Fairfax Drive / GMU area and >would prefer to bike so I can use the HOV to get in, but I can not >seem to find any information about parking. I would like to find out >ahead of time if there are any bike parking spaces like DC, and/or >garages that are bike friendly. > >Anyone frequent that area and know what the parking situation is down >there? > >-J > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 11:06:54 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: Re: DC Inspection Issues Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:06:47 -0400 > > From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed AM 10:33:02 EDT > To: > Subject: RE: Re: DC Inspection Issues > > >Also, Patriot HD in Fairfax (as probably other HD dealers), have chrome > > (what else?), sticker holders that mount anywhere that there's an > available > > bolt. They usually just give them out but even if they don't, I doubt > it's > > much more than a couple of bucks. > > They're $10 if you're not a regular or if you roll up on anything other > than a Harley. I haven't mounted mine yet, because I also have to > figure out how to get the d@mn county sticker on as well (that, and I'm > just being lazy... Sticker is in my bag if questioned). The plate > isn't big enough for both. > > --smthng > are you going to use both sides of the plate? Typical mounting of the stickers is inspection on one side and county on the other. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 11:12:26 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR Sighting Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:55:08 -0400 Similar to Paul, I prefer the VFR list, but have checked out the discussion board on occasion. Rob '98 VFR800 From: joey harding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR Sighting Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:50:29 -0700 (PDT) sorry, the URL was wrong. it's www.vfrdiscussion.com --- joe harding wrote: > Hey all. First time poster here. I also ride a > VFR, > the silver '03 model. I've been lurking alot and > notice there's alot of VFR riders. Was wondering if > anyone else is on the VFR Discussion board. > (www.vfrdiscusion.com) Gobs of information > there..all > about the VFR, all generations. > > Well, Hello and see ya on the road. > > JOEY > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We > finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 11:13:16 2004 Subject: RE: Re: DC Inspection Issues Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:13:13 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: , > > I haven't mounted mine yet, because I > > also have > > to figure out how to get the d@mn county sticker on as well > > are you going to use both sides of the plate? Typical > mounting of the stickers is inspection on one side and county > on the other. I really didn't want to use both sides, because then I'd have to have it sticking out somewhere, which I was trying to avoid. My FZ1 has a real nice spot on the swingarm using the chainguard bolt, but that would leave only one side of the plate exposed. I really haven't looked around a whole lot for a better spot that can expose both... As I said, I'm being lazy about this one and I don't consider it a real high priority. :) --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 11:26:19 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: insurance Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:26:09 -0400 Typically, the ins company will make the check out to you if they agree on the estimate. You're not obligated to get the work done at Colemans. -aki > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed AM 10:48:17 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: insurance > > I realized my comp deductable is lower than I thought, so I'm claiming my > slip-on & the bolt assemebly I had stolen. I plan on putting this on > myself. Allstate said someone would come out and give me and estimate & > check (since I own it outright), otherwise a shop would have to do it. A > shop could claim they need more money to do the job. > How can I maximize the estimate? If he priced a new stock system w/ labor > from Coleman's I'm sure it would be far more than me claiming the price of > the slip-on and bolt assembly. I need to get the check though, not > Colemans. > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 11:28:18 2004 From: To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , Subject: RE: Re: DC Inspection Issues Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:28:10 -0400 > > From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed AM 11:13:13 EDT > To: , > > Subject: RE: Re: DC Inspection Issues > > > > > I haven't mounted mine yet, because I > > > also have > > > to figure out how to get the d@mn county sticker on as well > > > > are you going to use both sides of the plate? Typical > > mounting of the stickers is inspection on one side and county > > on the other. > > I really didn't want to use both sides, because then I'd have to have it > sticking out somewhere, which I was trying to avoid. My FZ1 has a real > nice spot on the swingarm using the chainguard bolt, but that would > leave only one side of the plate exposed. I really haven't looked > around a whole lot for a better spot that can expose both... As I said, > I'm being lazy about this one and I don't consider it a real high > priority. :) > > --smthng ..ah ok. Maybe pick up another plate then and mount them on opposite sides of the bike. -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 11:44:33 2004 Subject: RE: Re: DC Inspection Issues Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:44:29 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: , > ..ah ok. Maybe pick up another plate then and mount them on > opposite sides of the bike. Yup, was thinking about that as well. Wanted to wait for the new exhaust to get put on so I'd know how what mounting points were avaiable afterwards. Since I just had that done, I guess I've got a bit of wrenching to do this weekend. :) --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 12:06:22 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:02:43 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: insurance At 10:48 AM 8/18/04 -0400, rich hall wrote: >How can I maximize the estimate? If he priced a new stock system w/ labor >from Coleman's I'm sure it would be far more than me claiming the price of >the slip-on and bolt assembly. I need to get the check though, not >Colemans. Don't know how your company does things, but with USAA when I had some claims for damaged computer and other electronics equipment (lightning) it was done over the phone. They asked me for estimates, and then they checked to see if what I told them was reasonable (i.e. could they find it cheaper). Since I was doing the work myself, it was just the cost of the parts, and therefore my estimate was very low compared to theirs, which included labor at $60/hour, so they were very happy to just send me what I told them it would take to get things working again. Good luck! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 12:28:32 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:28:18 -0400 From: J D Reply-To: J D To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Arlington parking On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:41:33 -0400, rich hall wrote: > I think you're talking about Arlington. No MC specific parking. Zones > don't apply to bikes. yes, I meant Arlington From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 12:50:55 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:50:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Sean Steele , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Big-azz stickers, was Re: DC Inspection Issues -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele Paul W. opined: > The stickers aren't really designed for motos; they're designed for > windshields. They usually want to slap it on the forks using some > sort of not too durable clear tape. Yep, this is a continuing problem for me. I have yet to find a permanent (or even semi-permanent) way to affix that durn sticker to my moto. -Sean ---- Paul W. opines some more: Maybe one of these days, our local jurisdictions will get over their mania for stickers on motorcycles. I'm not holding my breath. DC used to have small moto-specific stickers that fit on the license plates. Now it's one-size-fits-some, obviously set up for cage windshields without a nanosecond of consideration for other types of vehicles. Last time I had the VF500 "inspected" I convinced the sticker-afixer to put the sticker on a piece of plexiglass, just like on a windshield, and then I mounted it above the license plate. That seemed to work on the late VF. When the VFR comes up for inspection renewal, I'll give it a whirl. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 13:33:12 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Big VFR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://tinyurl.com/3jxao __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 13:42:18 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:42:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Big VFR At 01:32 PM 8/18/2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: >http://tinyurl.com/3jxao Thanks for the link Glenn. I hadn't heard about this yet. I wondered what they were going to do with their XX line, and I guess this explains it. If it has VFR ergonomics, I'll be first in line to 'try and buy'. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 13:43:10 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:42:56 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Big VFR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Glenn said: >http://tinyurl.com/3jxao [Dave] http://tinyurl.com/3rbxf ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 13:53:43 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big VFR Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:53:34 -0400 LMAO!!! Yeah, I'll believe it when I see/ride it. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Dave Yates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big VFR Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:42:56 -0400 Glenn said: >http://tinyurl.com/3jxao [Dave] http://tinyurl.com/3rbxf ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 14:33:54 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:33:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big VFR No doubt it also weighs 350 lbs, has a 10-gallon fuel tank and retails for $9,995. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser LMAO!!! Yeah, I'll believe it when I see/ride it. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Dave Yates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big VFR Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:42:56 -0400 Glenn said: >http://tinyurl.com/3jxao [Dave] http://tinyurl.com/3rbxf ;-) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 14:37:53 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Big VFR On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Rob Keiser wrote: > LMAO!!! > > Yeah, I'll believe it when I see/ride it. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > Another Busa beater just like the Beamer... LOL!!! 200mph, pfft... not with those skins. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 18:41:41 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:41:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues To: Paul Wilson , David Lowenstein , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On taking the bike with the out-of-state tags to inspection: make sure to take title, bill of sale, and if at all possible, the seller's registration with you. If you're transfering a bike you already own into DC, take the title, insurance with DC address if possible, and registration, and have your DC license already. On stickers: I put the inspection sticker on my forks, way down at the bottom. I've gotten too lucky or too obnoxious for them to give me the giant registration sticker, though. I've gotten the little ones that go in the corners of the tags the last few times around. Most recently, tagging a new-to-me bike, I didn't get those baby stickers till I went back to the DMV to get the hard tags. I got the giant car sticker (white one) only once. But you do have to ask about 84 times before they figure it out. Cheers, Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 20:35:51 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:35:39 EDT Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/17/2004 6:12:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: > >>That is one way to pass pollution control testing. > > > No emissions test for bikes in DC! > I know of no state that does, but it was too easy to let it go without comment. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 18 22:16:16 2004 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:11:52 -0400 Subject: First it was the deer-- now-------- From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Yesterday while traveling from Winchester down to Fredericksburg I had just gotten on to the ramp for the 17 bypass. Glanced to the right and noticed a critter wiggling under the guard rail. Holy shit --it is a full grown black bear. Major tire chirping braking--release--swerve right and then left--thunk on the left Givi . By now I am almost stopped--glance back --sure as shit --full grown black bear is wiggling under the left side guard rail. WTF Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 19 09:18:22 2004 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:18:15 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: First it was the deer-- now-------- At 10:11 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote: >By now I am almost stopped--glance back --sure as shit --full grown black >bear is wiggling under the left side guard rail. WTF I've encountered two young bears on Skyline but never outside of the park. Skyline is a veritable zoo. Next time pack a picnic basket to distract the wildlife while you flee. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 19 09:42:45 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First it was the deer-- now-------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:42:15 -0400 I've encountered two young bears on Skyline but never outside of the park. Skyline is a veritable zoo. Next time pack a picnic basket to distract the wildlife while you flee. Or perhaps a case of beer: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/08/18/bear.beer.reut/index.html Cedric Bernescut Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 19 10:40:13 2004 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:40:05 -0400 To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: First it was the deer-- now-------- At 09:18 AM 8/19/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >I've encountered two young bears on Skyline but never outside of the >park. Skyline is a veritable zoo. No, just the woods. Bears...you know...there. >Next time pack a picnic basket to distract the wildlife while you flee. Don't feed the bears. It only encourages them. Do you really want them to start associating motos with dinner? Just flee. Even my Harley can outrun a bear... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 19 10:52:40 2004 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:52:38 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: First it was the deer-- now-------- At 10:40 AM 8/19/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >Next time pack a picnic basket to distract the wildlife while you flee. > >Don't feed the bears. It only encourages them. Do you really want them to >start associating motos with dinner? Just flee. Even my Harley can outrun >a bear... For the humor impaired : http://www.toonopedia.com/yogi.jpg ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 19 12:31:55 2004 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:31:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Inspection Issues Arizona still does in the Phoenix and Tuscon areas, although they are studying dropping the requirement. http://www.azdeq.gov/environ/air/vei/index.html -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/17/2004 6:12:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: > >>That is one way to pass pollution control testing. > > > No emissions test for bikes in DC! > I know of no state that does, but it was too easy to let it go without comment. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 19 16:49:11 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The price of bearings. Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:54:12 -0400 Was driving the MINI back from service this afternoon, so for grins (not that I needed any more, since I was already in the MINI) I stopped in at Motion Industries to see what the walk in price for a 6004-2RS bearing was. $5+change. Amazing. Mike For those not following along at home, phone price was $16+change. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 19 20:06:05 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: OT - Haynes manuals for VW Golf, Jetta, etc. **Free** Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:05:55 -0400 Anyone need Haynes manuals for: 1975-1992 Golf, Jetta, Scirocco, Pickup (gas models only) 1993-1997 Golf, Cabrio and Jetta (gas and Diesel models) Free to a good home and worth every penny. You pick up or pay for mailing. Otherwise they're going in the trash. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 20 10:12:00 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'rich hall'" Subject: RE: insurance Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:11:05 -0400 Rich, A few years ago when I had an accident allstate came out to do an estimate on the bike. We went over the bike and wrote down all the parts that needed to be replaced. The estimator asked for a name of a local shop so he could price out parts and I told him Colemans. He priced all the parts out with them, and then Allstate wrote me a check. I then ordered all the parts from Honda of Milpitas and saved a bundle. I cannot remember if labor was included in the estimate. My memory is fuzzy but I seem to remember if he included the labor that meant I would have to get the work done by colemans. -Rich > ---------- > From: rich hall > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: insurance > > I realized my comp deductable is lower than I thought, so I'm claiming my > slip-on & the bolt assemebly I had stolen. I plan on putting this on > myself. Allstate said someone would come out and give me and estimate & > check (since I own it outright), otherwise a shop would have to do it. A > shop could claim they need more money to do the job. > How can I maximize the estimate? If he priced a new stock system w/ labor > > from Coleman's I'm sure it would be far more than me claiming the price of > > the slip-on and bolt assembly. I need to get the check though, not > Colemans. > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 20 10:39:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: insurance Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:16:28 -0400 I'm meeting the guy at noon today. He's already mentioned Coleman's on the phone. I'm trying to avoid towing it to them as I think they're backed up a week right now. I'm hoping to be riding next weekend. >From: Richard Westbrook >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, 'rich hall' >Subject: RE: insurance >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:11:05 -0400 > >A few years ago when I had an accident allstate came out to do an estimate >on the bike. We went over the bike and wrote down all the parts that needed >to be replaced. The estimator asked for a name of a local shop so he could >price out parts and I told him Colemans. He priced all the parts out with >them, and then Allstate wrote me a check. I then ordered all the parts from >Honda of Milpitas and saved a bundle. > >I cannot remember if labor was included in the estimate. My memory is fuzzy >but I seem to remember if he included the labor that meant I would have to >get the work done by colemans. > > ---------- > > From: rich hall > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:48 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: insurance > > > > I realized my comp deductable is lower than I thought, so I'm claiming >my > > slip-on & the bolt assemebly I had stolen. I plan on putting this on > > myself. Allstate said someone would come out and give me and estimate & > > check (since I own it outright), otherwise a shop would have to do it. >A > > shop could claim they need more money to do the job. > > How can I maximize the estimate? If he priced a new stock system w/ >labor > > from Coleman's I'm sure it would be far more than me claiming the price >of > > the slip-on and bolt assembly. I need to get the check though, not > > Colemans. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 20 10:52:04 2004 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: Subject: Re: Insurance Woes Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:51:48 -0400 simple buy an old safe 4 cyl beater car and get liability only through a different state farm agent, AFTEr THAT, THEN insure the bike as a second vehicle, full coverage, through the new state farm agent. Sell the beater car, cancel the main insurance. ( or keep them, not bad to have a 2nd cage as a back up) Hell get a pick up truck or van, even better... and keep it. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 20 11:07:00 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc inspections Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:06:40 -0400 I know i'm late but I know a couple of inspectors down there, and they ride... maybe "hey do you know danny with the red zx6 (zx6r) ? he said he knew a couple of inspectors down here" maybe it'll destract them from giving you hell.. (or give you a free pass).. you can tell them you met me at the anacostia mobil gas station one day or something.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 20 11:28:35 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A reply from a friend Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:28:24 -0400 Personally I think the speed traps/limits are bogus... for instance, 70 mph on an interstate is reasonable, but the law usually limits us to 65 tops. Doing 70 mph not endangering anyone is not immoral. Therefor the law is limiting our freedom and is immorral. Resistance to tyranny is obediance to God. Gov't is the biggist crime racket we got going. The mafia is jealous. they wish they could be so big. The traffic patrols are more revenue patrols than safety patrols. I would scorn no one who got snagged. I'd scorn those who scorn. Wake up.. political civil servants are self servants. rant over :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 20 12:58:15 2004 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:58:11 -0400 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speed Trap Notification X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server Seen yesterday morning on the North side of East/West Highway between Grubb Road and Jones Mill Road trapping Westbound traffic. Cruiser was situated on the North Side of East/West and the East side of Freyman Drive facing South at the curb thus facing oncoming traffic that might decide to make a left onto Freyman Drive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 20 14:54:11 2004 Subject: Weekend ride Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:53:49 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Anyone going on rides this weekend? I think tomorrow is going to be horrible weather wise but Sunday should be fantastic. I rain tested my Shoei RF-1000 helmet on Wednesday and decided either it needs a visor wiper or need to ride with the visor up From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 20 15:01:30 2004 Subject: RE: Weekend ride Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:01:26 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Julian Halton" , > I rain tested my Shoei RF-1000 helmet on Wednesday and > decided either it needs a visor wiper or need to ride with > the visor up Nah, just needs a hit of Plexus and a bit more speed... Turn your head to the left, then to the right... Water is gone. :) --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 07:03:15 2004 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: DC Rally this weekend? To: DC Cycles Is there one going on? I've seen many groups of mostly harleys moving up & down Connecticut Ave. yesterday and this morning. Seems like something's happening. Anyone in the know? Thanks, Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 07:20:05 2004 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:16:48 -0400 From: Steven McCollom To: Brian Ray CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: DC Rally this weekend? X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.211.145] at Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:20:02 -0500 Brian Ray wrote: > > Is there one going on? I've seen many groups of > mostly harleys moving up & down Connecticut Ave. > yesterday and this morning. Seems like something's > happening. > That's the America's 9/11 Ride. They were at the Flight 93 crash site Thursday, Pentagon yesterday, and riding to Ground Zero today. www.americas911ride.org Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 08:36:34 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Steven McCollom , Brian Ray Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: DC Rally this weekend? Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:37:26 -0400 On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:16:48 -0400, Steven McCollom wrote > Brian Ray wrote: > > > > Is there one going on? I've seen many groups of > > mostly harleys moving up & down Connecticut Ave. > > yesterday and this morning. Seems like something's > > happening. > > > > That's the America's 9/11 Ride. They were at the Flight 93 crash > site Thursday, Pentagon yesterday, and riding to Ground Zero today. > > www.americas911ride.org > > Steve Maybe someone should tell them they are a bit early. My VFR has a clock built in :) Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 11:00:07 2004 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. To: DC Bike List Inner loop past I66. A car cut over putting my Dad and Stepmom down. He does not remember any of it after thumping his head. The Army Doc who stopped to help saw it, but was gone when the Trooper got there. So no witnesses and the fucktard cager that did it kept on going. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 11:06:55 2004 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:05:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. FUCK! How are they doing? I hope the cager gets caught for leaving the scene. Things like this tend to come back around, but unfortunately, you'll never know it. On a lesser note, how's the bike? -aki At 10:59 AM 8/21/2004, you wrote: >Inner loop past I66. A car cut over putting my Dad and >Stepmom down. He does not remember any of it after >thumping his head. The Army Doc who stopped to help >saw it, but was gone when the Trooper got there. So no >witnesses and the fucktard cager that did it kept on >going. > >===== >AIM: Inf DS > >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now >society wants to childproof the world. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 11:26:34 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:15:10 -0400 Sorry to hear that Todd. My best wishes to them. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Todd Withrow To: DC Bike List Subject: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Inner loop past I66. A car cut over putting my Dad and Stepmom down. He does not remember any of it after thumping his head. The Army Doc who stopped to help saw it, but was gone when the Trooper got there. So no witnesses and the fucktard cager that did it kept on going. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 12:49:45 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Bike List" Subject: Re: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:49:49 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7913af7c80113c953f8ca49c529696a90a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Inner loop past I66. A car cut over putting my Dad and > Stepmom down. He does not remember any of it after > thumping his head. The Army Doc who stopped to help > saw it, but was gone when the Trooper got there. So no > witnesses and the fucktard cager that did it kept on going. [Dave] Best wishes. If he stopped, he might come forward if he knows about it - the Army doc, not the cager. What's the closest military hospital to that, Walter Reed? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 14:00:30 2004 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles They are banged up. Typical HD riders, would have been better with gear. The bike is in good shape, the crash bars did their job, ever so slight rash on the edge of the plastic that extends out in front of the grip. I rode it home from the tow lot, it rode fine. My dad would have been much better off with a mesh jacket instead of just a t shirt. I pointed out the fact that his road rash was exactly where the armor would have been. He might have broken ribs around back near his spine. Dunno if the back protector a good jacket has would have helped or not. His wife had foo-foo fashionable boots, not riding boots. Several broken bones and a burn, I am sure thicker/stiffer leather would have helped. Todd --- Aki Damme wrote: > FUCK! How are they doing? I hope the cager gets > caught > for leaving the scene. Things like this tend to > come back > around, > but unfortunately, you'll never know it. > > On a lesser note, how's the bike? > > > > -aki > > > > At 10:59 AM 8/21/2004, you wrote: > >Inner loop past I66. A car cut over putting my Dad > and > >Stepmom down. He does not remember any of it after > >thumping his head. The Army Doc who stopped to help > >saw it, but was gone when the Trooper got there. So > no > >witnesses and the fucktard cager that did it kept > on > >going. > > > >===== > >AIM: Inf DS > > > >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- > >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now > > >society wants to childproof the world. > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 14:26:35 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:26:41 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795ea90da196c102ff0c4eff6501f76f07350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > My dad would have been much better off with a mesh > jacket instead of just a t shirt. I pointed out the > fact that his road rash was exactly where the armor > would have been. He might have broken ribs around back > near his spine. Dunno if the back protector a good > jacket has would have helped or not. His wife had > foo-foo fashionable boots, not riding boots. Several > broken bones and a burn, I am sure thicker/stiffer > leather would have helped. [Dave] I'm thinking we're fortunate that we can now consider the Elder Witthrow's Moto-Gear fund ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 19:42:39 2004 Subject: RE: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:42:33 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Bike List" My wife and sister-in-law loaded up my voice mail calling me about this one. Sorry to hear it, but glad to hear that damage (to people) was relatively minor. Sorry about your step-mom's foot. I broke mine in a motorcycle accident (my dumb-@ssed fault) several years ago... There's a lot of little bones down there to get back in line, hope it all works out okay. On a somewhat separate note... Todd, do you have an immediate relative in the area named Don? (feel free to reply off-list if you prefer.) '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:00 AM > To: DC Bike List > Subject: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. > > Inner loop past I66. A car cut over putting my Dad and > Stepmom down. He does not remember any of it after thumping > his head. The Army Doc who stopped to help saw it, but was > gone when the Trooper got there. So no witnesses and the > fucktard cager that did it kept on going. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society > wants to childproof the world. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 19:57:47 2004 Subject: Sitting... Needs to run again Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:57:45 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Bike List" As part of my oh-so-kind and generous nature (in other words... "sucker"), I've volunteered to get a friend's bike running so his nephew can learn to ride. Of course, I also get the duties of teaching him, but that's later. Basically, my friend has a '94 Yamaha Seca II that's been sitting for about four years. It had gas in it (a little, but enough), and the carbs are all gummed up. I've yanked them and soaked them with carb cleaner, but I plan on taking them in to the stealer for an overhaul, since I'm not entirely comfortable pulling the needles. Also, the "slides" (I think that's what they're called) are sticking, so I figure the stealer is safer than me figuring out how to fix (or break) them. But... what else do you guys think I'll need to tackle after 4 years of sitting? The bike was garaged, but still suffered a bit from the ravages of time... Tank - Major internal rust... looks like it's gonna need a new one. Is it safe to assume there's no magic solution to recover this? Tires - Both look good and have less than 1000 miles on them. No cracks, no flat spots, no real wear. Can 4 year olds still run safely? Is there something else on the tires I should look for (other than air pressure of course)? Forks - Fork tubes and seals look good. Were it my bike, I'd have the for oil replaced, but is it really needed? I know that it has never been done on this bike. Chain and sprockets - "gummy", but otherwise appear okay. I plan on giving the chain and sprockets a major cleaning and lube job, but there doesn't appear to be any real "stretch" to the chain, the rear sprocket has good teeth and the chain moves smoothly with no binding. Battery - "Toast" is my guess. I'm gonna put a charger on it and see what it does, but I'm planning on replacing it. Oil and filter - drained and removed - looked pretty clean. Just gonna put on a new filter and refil with new oil. Air filter - Pretty clean looking, but I'm gonna replace it. I'd rather replace it and not have to worry about it instead of it possibly being a problem when I'm trying to troubleshoot the carbs after I get them back on. Cables and levers - all move smoothly and snap back with no issues. Not planning on messing with any of 'em. Anything else I should look for? This is far more maintenance on a bike than I've ever done in one shot, but it's a Seca... how hard can it be? ;) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 21 20:34:39 2004 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Sitting... Needs to run again To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC Bike List Jonathan - I'd try it one step at a time. The carbs will definitely need some work. With a tank of carb cleaning solution, a clean & well-lit work area, and a manual you could probably do it yourself, but it's less risky with a mechanic. You'll definitely need a new battery - they don't like being left dead. As for the tank, it's probably salvagable. Ask for yahama gas tank cleaner - should be something like $12 for two bottles. Follow the directions, and you should be good to go. When you put the carb back in, take a good look at the hoses / etc. - vacuum leaks can cause lots of headaches. You might want to invest in new spark plugs, but that's up to you. I'd start with that, and go from there. Only fix what really needs to be done, for now. Good luck - it should be easy enough. Brian --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > As part of my oh-so-kind and generous nature (in > other words... > "sucker"), I've volunteered to get a friend's bike > running so his nephew > can learn to ride. Of course, I also get the duties > of teaching him, > but that's later. > > Basically, my friend has a '94 Yamaha Seca II that's > been sitting for > about four years. It had gas in it (a little, but > enough), and the > carbs are all gummed up. I've yanked them and > soaked them with carb > cleaner, but I plan on taking them in to the stealer > for an overhaul, > since I'm not entirely comfortable pulling the > needles. Also, the > "slides" (I think that's what they're called) are > sticking, so I figure > the stealer is safer than me figuring out how to fix > (or break) them. > > But... what else do you guys think I'll need to > tackle after 4 years of > sitting? The bike was garaged, but still suffered a > bit from the > ravages of time... > > Tank - Major internal rust... looks like it's gonna > need a new one. Is > it safe to assume there's no magic solution to > recover this? > Tires - Both look good and have less than 1000 miles > on them. No > cracks, no flat spots, no real wear. Can 4 year > olds still run safely? > Is there something else on the tires I should look > for (other than air > pressure of course)? > Forks - Fork tubes and seals look good. Were it my > bike, I'd have the > for oil replaced, but is it really needed? I know > that it has never > been done on this bike. > Chain and sprockets - "gummy", but otherwise appear > okay. I plan on > giving the chain and sprockets a major cleaning and > lube job, but there > doesn't appear to be any real "stretch" to the > chain, the rear sprocket > has good teeth and the chain moves smoothly with no > binding. > Battery - "Toast" is my guess. I'm gonna put a > charger on it and see > what it does, but I'm planning on replacing it. > Oil and filter - drained and removed - looked pretty > clean. Just gonna > put on a new filter and refil with new oil. > Air filter - Pretty clean looking, but I'm gonna > replace it. I'd rather > replace it and not have to worry about it instead of > it possibly being a > problem when I'm trying to troubleshoot the carbs > after I get them back > on. > Cables and levers - all move smoothly and snap back > with no issues. Not > planning on messing with any of 'em. > > Anything else I should look for? This is far more > maintenance on a bike > than I've ever done in one shot, but it's a Seca... > how hard can it be? > ;) > > --smthng > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech > Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, > Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS > removed > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 22 00:08:57 2004 Subject: RE: Sitting... Needs to run again Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:08:50 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Bike List" > As for the tank, it's probably salvagable. Ask for yahama > gas tank cleaner - should be something like > $12 for two bottles. Follow the directions, and you should > be good to go. Cool. I'll ask the mech about that when I drop off the carbs on Tuesday. I'd be surprised if it works... It's REALLY nasty in there, but I'll try anything to save me from buying a new tank. :) > When you put the carb back in, take a good look at the hoses > / etc. - vacuum leaks can cause lots of headaches. Already got the three main fuel hoses on order (had to cut them off). All the others came off with no hassles and appear to be in good shape. > You might want to invest in new spark plugs, but that's up to you. Cleaned the plugs and checked the gaps. They looks a little dark in color, but that's probably just from the previous owner trying to start it with stuck choke and butterflies. They look like they've got plenty of life left in them, so I'm gonna see how they do when I get the carbs back. > I'd start with that, and go from there. Only fix what really > needs to be done, for now. Mechanically, I'm only worried about the neccessities. It's the safety aspect that concerns me more... Could the chain, forks or tires be hiding some pending catastophe from me? If not, then I hope to have her up and running next week. :) > Good luck - it should be easy enough. Thanks, I'll need it... This is a bit of a "learning experience" for me. Thank god I don't have to deal with injectors, oxygen sensors or anything else! The Seca II is a gem in it's simplicity. :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 22 09:29:58 2004 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kudos to Champions in Herndon I'm not sure if I posted on this list about my battery leak issue. When I bought my Busa earlier this year, the battery leaked the night I took it home. It may have been overfilled, I'm not sure. So it damaged the swing arm, chain, pipe and all associated hardware. I was very weary of what hassle I was in for since it was very slight cosmetic damage. Champion Motorsports handled it very professionally. I took it in, they took a look, they got in touch with Suzuki and soon the parts were ordered. John, the new service manager kept me up to date in all phases, calling me to let me know as soon as he got any info (Its seems like he doesn't have much to do, lol). So after the parts were in they called me and I brought the bike in and they had it fixed the next day. I HATE HATE HATE letting anyone touch my bikes. Visions of blunders were filling my mind. However they did the job very well. They have renewed my faith that there may be a few good mechanics out there. And the fact that this was a big job and it was done in a less than a day really speaks volumes for their service. I've bought lots of parts and two bikes from them, they really are a good place to work with. And to top things off, I had some prices written down for suits from the internet, so I went in Friday to see what they would do. They usually match prices, but this time they seemed to be itching to get rid of a (S)lime green Teknic Chicane. I walked out with a suit for $100 cheaper than New Enough's price and over 65% off retail. Bad news in all of this, I know own a slime green suit! Ack, what was I thinking! Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 22 10:47:48 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "DC Bike List" Subject: RE: Sitting... Needs to run again Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:48:44 -0400 I would flush the brakes and give them some new fluid, check out the calipers and look for rust. And of course check the brake pads and lines as well (rubber lines can decay) as well. Brakes are pretty important :) My first car lost a break line after about a month while I was driving. Scary stuff. I would flush the cooling system too. Basically if it had fluid in it after 4 years it's probably not in the best condition. Both bike I have bought they first thing I did was change all the fluids since I didn't know if it had been down by the previous owner. Flushing the cooling system should be a breeze and pretty cheap, brakes can be tough if you don't have a helper. Rob > Mechanically, I'm only worried about the neccessities. It's the safety > aspect that concerns me more... Could the chain, forks or tires be > hiding some pending catastophe from me? If not, then I hope to have > her up and running next week. :) > > > Good luck - it should be easy enough. > > Thanks, I'll need it... This is a bit of a "learning experience" for > me. Thank god I don't have to deal with injectors, oxygen sensors or > anything else! The Seca II is a gem in it's simplicity. :) > > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS > removed -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 22 10:55:02 2004 Subject: RE: Sitting... Needs to run again Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:54:59 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Bike List" > Flushing the cooling system should be a breeze and pretty > cheap, It don't get much cheaper... The Seca II doesn't have one. :) > brakes can be tough if you don't have a helper. Ack! I hate brakes. :( But yes, that's one I forgot about. I'll do an inspection on the lines when I run up there again. If they do need replacing, I'm going with steel braid. Made a HUGE difference on my last Seca. I do have an unwilling helper with all this nonsense... The kid who plans to ride it once it's done. ;) Thanks for the reminder. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 22 20:41:41 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:39:11 -0400 To: "DC Bike List" From: Chris Chubb Subject: What a great day! X-Spam-Level: The rain yesterday had me worried and I overslept this morning, but once I was on the road this morning it was blue sky from horizon to horizon. Started in Falls Church at 8:30, hooked I-66 out to Haymarket, then stuck to Route 55 clean over to West Virginia. Up 259 (?) to Route 50 and back home again. Back by 12:30, 175 miles. Major props to Mother Nature for hooking me up. Still, you can feel Fall creeping up and sneaking down the back of your neck in some of the hollows and valleys out in the mountains. Only down side was my regular riding buddy had to head out of town. We should institute a special signal we can flash in the sky (ala Batman) when a ride has to come together last minute. I gotta get out to a group ride some time to at least collect phone numbers. Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 22 20:53:41 2004 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:53:11 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: What a great day! To: DC Bike List I agree. I checked out most of the Prince William Forest route. Great day, great fun. Played a little cat 'n mouse with a Goldwing on Joplin Rd. Here's a question...why does my GPS act all goofy when I'm near the Quantico Marine Base? hmmm.......spoooky. --- Chris Chubb wrote: > The rain yesterday had me worried and I overslept > this morning, but once I > was on the road this morning it was blue sky from > horizon to horizon. > Started in Falls Church at 8:30, hooked I-66 out to > Haymarket, then stuck > to Route 55 clean over to West Virginia. Up 259 (?) > to Route 50 and back > home again. Back by 12:30, 175 miles. Major props to > Mother Nature for > hooking me up. Still, you can feel Fall creeping up > and sneaking down the > back of your neck in some of the hollows and valleys > out in the mountains. > > Only down side was my regular riding buddy had to > head out of town. We > should institute a special signal we can flash in > the sky (ala Batman) when > a ride has to come together last minute. I gotta get > out to a group ride > some time to at least collect phone numbers. > > Chris > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 22 21:22:21 2004 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: What a great day! To: joey harding , DC Bike List I always feel that somebody's watchin' me And I have no privacy I always feel that somebody's watchin' me Is it just a dream? --- joey harding wrote: > I agree. I checked out most of the Prince William > Forest route. Great day, great fun. Played a > little > cat 'n mouse with a Goldwing on Joplin Rd. > > Here's a question...why does my GPS act all goofy > when > I'm near the Quantico Marine Base? > hmmm.......spoooky. > > > --- Chris Chubb wrote: > > > The rain yesterday had me worried and I overslept > > this morning, but once I > > was on the road this morning it was blue sky from > > horizon to horizon. > > Started in Falls Church at 8:30, hooked I-66 out > to > > Haymarket, then stuck > > to Route 55 clean over to West Virginia. Up 259 > (?) > > to Route 50 and back > > home again. Back by 12:30, 175 miles. Major props > to > > Mother Nature for > > hooking me up. Still, you can feel Fall creeping > up > > and sneaking down the > > back of your neck in some of the hollows and > valleys > > out in the mountains. > > > > Only down side was my regular riding buddy had to > > head out of town. We > > should institute a special signal we can flash in > > the sky (ala Batman) when > > a ride has to come together last minute. I gotta > get > > out to a group ride > > some time to at least collect phone numbers. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter > now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 22 21:42:52 2004 Subject: RE: What a great day! Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:42:49 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Bike List" > The rain yesterday had me worried and I overslept this > morning, but once I was on the road this morning it was blue > sky from horizon to horizon. I am unfortunately busting my @ss at work this whole weekend... Fixing servers and studying for an exam I have to take Monday afternoon (which I am in no way ready for). Still, I was able to take a few detours to and from the office. Starting on Saturday, in the rain, out to Eurobikes to see if I could snag a larger Bagster tank bag. Unfortunately, even though their web site says they are only open Saturdays to the public, they weren't open yesterday. That sucked, but the ride out there was quite nice. Found a bunch of back roads that my GPS pointed out in order to get there. Then a quick run up to Harper's Ferry to pull the carbs off the Seca II restoration project. That wasn't quite as much fun... They had just enough drizzle up there to bring the oil up off the road. My back tire was all over the place several times. Was much better on the way back to Herndon (office). > Started in Falls Church at 8:30, hooked I-66 out to > Haymarket, then stuck to Route 55 clean over to West > Virginia. Up 259 (?) to Route 50 and back home again. Back by > 12:30, 175 miles. Major props to Mother Nature for hooking me > up. Still, you can feel Fall creeping up and sneaking down > the back of your neck in some of the hollows and valleys out > in the mountains. That's a nice run. I've done that one and other roads in the same general area many times. Yes, fall is approaching, but it's still a ways off I think. Gonna have to start shopping for a new jacket though... The FirstGear Meshtek is getting a bit TOO cool at times. Sunday has been just a couple of runs up and down Fairfax County Parkway to get to the office and back. Nice weather for it though, even though I've been having to keep a determined eye on the speedo due to the amount of speed traps there. > Only down side was my regular riding buddy had to head out of > town. We should institute a special signal we can flash in > the sky (ala Batman) when a ride has to come together last > minute. I gotta get out to a group ride some time to at least > collect phone numbers. I hear ya. I can rarely get to any real "planned" events, as the wife normally has my schedule filled up long before I can figure out what I'm supposed to be doing. However, I'd be more than happy to pick up any last minute rides I can make... Even if it's just a quick trip ending at Hooters or something. :) Looks like Monday is gonna be another nice one. Hopefully, I can get comfortable enough with this pending exam that I can take an hour or two Monday morning and go for a ride before the test. A man can dream... --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 00:38:10 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:37:11 -0400 To: joey harding , DC Bike List From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: What a great day! At 05:53 PM 8/22/04 -0700, joey harding wrote: >I agree. I checked out most of the Prince William >Forest route. Great day, great fun. Played a little >cat 'n mouse with a Goldwing on Joplin Rd. Yes, it was gorgeous. Slept late then went with about 10 other bikes on a ride out to Kent Island (Red Eye Dock Bar...band, lots of people, bikes everywhere (almost all cruisers...H-D, and various customs) etc., but mostly just an excuse to ride east). Other than a backup at the Bay Bridge just after the toll booths, it was a nice ride. Hung around for a while, then headed back on my own. Rt 50 to Rt 450 west past Rt 3 and through Bowie (nice curvy road through the trees (which blocked the setting sun well) with almost no traffic), to Rt 197 (more traffic, but not bad), to Rt 198 (yet more traffic, but it moved right along) until it turned into Rt 28 somewhere after it crossed Rt 29. That takes me to within a mile of home. >Here's a question...why does my GPS act all goofy when >I'm near the Quantico Marine Base? hmmm.......spoooky. I dunno...must be some sort of interference. I wonder if there's a differential GPS setup there that's being worked on? Police radar tended to go screwy out near Oceana Naval Air Station in Va. Beach...active jammers on the fighters being "tested"...rumor was that it got worse if any techs got speeding tickets. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 07:05:19 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Kudos to Champions in Herndon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sounds like a great experience. They have always been friendly with me but have always refused to lower their prices on any purchases I have wanted to make. Glenn --- dan wrote: > I'm not sure if I posted on this list about my > battery leak issue. When > I bought my Busa earlier this year, the battery > leaked the night I took it > home. It may have been overfilled, I'm not sure. > So it damaged the swing > arm, chain, pipe and all associated hardware. I was > very weary of what > hassle I was in for since it was very slight > cosmetic damage. > > Champion Motorsports handled it very professionally. > I took it in, they > took a look, they got in touch with Suzuki and soon > the parts were > ordered. John, the new service manager kept me up to > date in all phases, > calling me to let me know as soon as he got any info > (Its seems like he > doesn't have much to do, lol). So after the parts > were in they called me > and I brought the bike in and they had it fixed the > next day. > > I HATE HATE HATE letting anyone touch my bikes. > Visions of blunders were > filling my mind. However they did the job very > well. They have renewed > my faith that there may be a few good mechanics out > there. And the fact > that this was a big job and it was done in a less > than a day really speaks > volumes for their service. > > I've bought lots of parts and two bikes from them, > they really are a good > place to work with. And to top things off, I had > some prices written down > for suits from the internet, so I went in Friday to > see what they would > do. They usually match prices, but this time they > seemed to be itching to > get rid of a (S)lime green Teknic Chicane. I walked > out with a suit for > $100 cheaper than New Enough's price and over 65% > off retail. > > Bad news in all of this, I know own a slime green > suit! Ack, what was I > thinking! > > Dan > > -- > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 07:42:23 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Sitting... Needs to run again Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:42:19 -0400 > I've volunteered to get a friend's bike running so his nephew > can learn to ride. Of course, I also get the duties of teaching him, > but that's later. This life lesson will cost you some tuition! > > and the > carbs are all gummed up. , so I figure > the stealer is safer than me figuring out how to fix (or break) them. I hope your mechanic uses some sort of lubricant. Not on the carbs, on you. This is going to hurt. If you've got the carbs off, you might as well clean them yourself. Lots of time, mainly, but no rocket science. Don't just stick any common piece of metal through a jet to clean it out--you'll wallow out the hole just a bit, but enough to change the size. They make a tool for that or just order new pilot jets. The mains are probably ok. And I don't know why you'd take the needle out of the slide. I'm sure there are plenty of references on the web for carb cleaning/rebuilds...also, the library should have some general motorcycle maintenance books that concetrate on the general procedure vice the exact specs for this bike. > But... what else do you guys think I'll need to tackle after 4 years of > sitting? Your good credit rating and your willingness to let go of your sanity. > Tank - Major internal rust... looks like it's gonna need a new one. Is > it safe to assume there's no magic solution to recover this? Kreme makes a three stage kit--phosphoric acid to remove the rust, cleaner/nuetralizer to get out the acid (think it is mainly acetone), and a plastic goo sealant to stop the leaks. Much cheaper than a tank. Get a new fuel filter, old one is prolly clogged up with (suprise!) rust. > Tires - Both look good and have less than 1000 miles on them. No > cracks, no flat spots, no real wear. Can 4 year olds still run safely? Maybe, if they were almost new when you started. But I'd replace ASAP. > Is there something else on the tires I should look for (other than air > pressure of course)? Born-on date. Then go to mfg's website, see how long they trust their own rubber. > Forks - Fork tubes and seals look good. Were it my bike, I'd have the > for oil replaced, but is it really needed? I know that it has never > been done on this bike. I'd ignore that for now, you have enough problems with just getting this turd running right. > Chain and sprockets - Clean, lube, adjust, forget. > Battery - "Toast" is my guess. I'm gonna put a charger on it and see > what it does, but I'm planning on replacing it. Replace with a fresh one, fully charged. A good battery is crucial for troubleshooting electrical systems (which will be a subject of one of your future dc-cycles posts. > Anything else I should look for? This is far more maintenance on a bike > than I've ever done in one shot, but it's a Seca... how hard can it be? Since it was in a garage, you might escape alive. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 08:46:13 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:45:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kudos to Champions in Herndon On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Sounds like a great experience. They have always been > friendly with me but have always refused to lower > their prices on any purchases I have wanted to make. > > Glenn > How have you asked? I usually tell them what i found it for online (without shipping!) and they match it no problem. For OEM parts I just tell them AZ does 20% off list on Yammy parts and they ring my order up with 20% off. I usually deal with Chris or Paul. I know others on the list haven't had any problems either. Maybe you just look like you are made of money! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 09:00:11 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:59:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Kudos to Champions in Herndon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's how I did it. Last fall I needed an HJC helmet for the Shenandoah 500. I asked if they would match competitors prices, and that I had found it cheaper locally. They told me they couldn't do any price adjusting. So I left and bought it cheaper at Cycle Sport on route 1. Glenn --- dan wrote: > How have you asked? I usually tell them what i > found it for online > (without shipping!) and they match it no problem. > For OEM parts I just > tell them AZ does 20% off list on Yammy parts and > they ring my order up > with 20% off. I usually deal with Chris or Paul. I > know others on the > list haven't had any problems either. Maybe you > just look like you are > made of money! _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 09:03:19 2004 Subject: RE: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:02:56 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Todd Withrow" , "DC Bike List" So sorry to hear this. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:00 AM To: DC Bike List Subject: Anyone see the moto wreck on I-495 Fri. morning. Inner loop past I66. A car cut over putting my Dad and Stepmom down. He does not remember any of it after thumping his head. The Army Doc who stopped to help saw it, but was gone when the Trooper got there. So no witnesses and the fucktard cager that did it kept on going. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 09:10:43 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Monday. Mmm... Nice day for a ride. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 09:51:43 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:51:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Kudos to Champions in Herndon At 08:45 AM 8/23/2004, you wrote: >On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Sounds like a great experience. They have always been > > friendly with me but have always refused to lower > > their prices on any purchases I have wanted to make. > > > > Glenn > > > >How have you asked? I usually tell them what i found it >for online >(without shipping!) and they match it no problem. For OEM >parts I just >tell them AZ does 20% off list on Yammy parts and they >ring my order up >with 20% off. I usually deal with Chris or Paul. I know >others on the >list haven't had any problems either. Maybe you just look >like you are >made of money! > >Dan I think it's more a matter of timing. When Herndon Cyclesport was bought out, their whole attitude changed. Under the old management, they were "friendly" but wouldn't budge on just about anything. Now, they seem a lot more willing to deal. Now only if they would be open on Sundays.... -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 11:19:22 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:17:03 -0400 From: Skip To: joey harding CC: DC Bike List Subject: Re: What a great day! joey harding wrote: > > I agree. I checked out most of the Prince William > Forest route. Great day, great fun. Played a little > cat 'n mouse with a Goldwing on Joplin Rd. > > Here's a question...why does my GPS act all goofy when > I'm near the Quantico Marine Base? > hmmm.......spoooky. they are probably scrambling the signal to thwart attackers. same thing with using a cell near the pentagon. after the train bombs in Spain were set off by cell phones, they began scrambling the signal. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 12:05:31 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:05:03 -0400 From: Larry To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: getting tires mounted Hey folks, Just got a quote for $380 to purchase & mount a set of pilot sports at MFI. I did some searching, and it seems that CAD cycles is the place to go to, if you bring them your wheels off the bike. Is there a store closer to springfield, VA, that will do the same service? I'm looking to buy a pair of sportec M1's. I've found them online for $216 shipped, which I think is a pretty good price. Also, I've never removed a wheel before, do I need special tools? the bike is a 01 ZX-6R. Thanks! Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 13:30:17 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:30:10 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: It IS nice out Went for a ride at lunch. Beautiful out towards Sterling today. Found a $50 JR Phoenix jacket on Craigslist today. Owner is having some communications difficulties. If I can work it out, that is not a bad deal for the ultra hot summer days (like August usually is, not this year!). Each day I use Newman Road in Clifton to pass any butt plug that was in front of me through the back roads. After the first turn, it becomes unmarked blacktop. I have always been curious - is unmarked road considered legally safe to pass? I have searched the VA Legislative Code and couldn't find anything. The marked portion of the road is double yellow. http://leg1.state.va.us/000/src.htm ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 13:32:13 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:32:10 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Moto noise While I was searching te database, I came across this one : http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+15.2-919 )B 15.2-919. Regulation of motorcycle noise. Any locality may, by ordinance, regulate noise from a motorcycle, as defined in )B 46.2-100, which is not equipped with a muffler conforming to 46.2-1047 and 46.2-1049, if such noise may be hazardous to the health and well-being of its citizens. (Code 1950, )B 15.1-29.12; 1974, c. 339; 1985, c. 170; 1997, c. 587.) I know the AMA is going after laws that are motorcycle specific instead of general to vehicles. Besides ruptured ear drums, how would your muffler be hazardous to the health? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 13:59:52 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:59:35 EDT Subject: Re: What a great day! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/22/2004 8:42:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cchubb@XXXXXX writes: > I gotta get out to a group ride > some time to at least collect phone numbers. Sounds like DC-cycles needs to set up a "phone tree" sort of thing. "A" calls B and C who call D,E,F,G.... until everyone has been contacted. Someone, _anyone_ starts the ball rolling by calling his/her contacts who call theirs, until everyone has at least been asked if they want to ride. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 14:02:32 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:02:31 -0400 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: Troutman Cc: dc Cycles Subject: Need a machine shop for a cylinder hone X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server Anyone have any recommendations. I know a good shop up in Elkridge called Coleman Machine, but they're far from DC. I'd prefer someone closer. Any recommendations? Thanks, Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 14:33:32 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:33:09 EDT Subject: Re: Need a machine shop for a cylinder hone To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/23/2004 2:02:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stephen@XXXXXX writes: > Any > recommendations? Are you just breaking a glaze or re-squaring the cyl? If you are just breaking a glaze a ball hone should do the job (Gobs of abrasive on the tips of springy wires. kinda like a hair brush from hell.) A ball hone may be arranged for free. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 15:02:33 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:02:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Moto noise -----Original Message----- From: Troutman While I was searching the database, I came across this one : 46.2-1049, if such noise may be hazardous to the health and well-being of its citizens. (Code 1950, )B 15.1-29.12; 1974, c. 339; 1985, c. 170; 1997, c. 587.) I know the AMA is going after laws that are motorcycle specific instead of general to vehicles. Besides ruptured ear drums, how would your muffler be hazardous to the health? ------- IANAL, but it sounds like legal boilerplate that allows the statute to pass constitutional muster. The Commonwealth's Constitution probably grants the General Assembly broad legislative powers to protect the "public health and well-being." Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 15:02:44 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:02:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Moto noise -----Original Message----- From: Troutman While I was searching the database, I came across this one : 46.2-1049, if such noise may be hazardous to the health and well-being of its citizens. (Code 1950, )B 15.1-29.12; 1974, c. 339; 1985, c. 170; 1997, c. 587.) I know the AMA is going after laws that are motorcycle specific instead of general to vehicles. Besides ruptured ear drums, how would your muffler be hazardous to the health? ------- IANAL, but it sounds like legal boilerplate that allows the statute to pass constitutional muster. The Commonwealth's Constitution is probably grants the General Assembly broad legislative powers to protect the "public health and well-being." Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 16:09:55 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:09:50 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Moto noise To: dc Cycles This statute seems to 'outlaw' essentially any exhaust system louder than 'stock' although, it is craftily worded, I'm wondering aloud.... "No person shall drive ..any vehicle on a highway unless it is equipped with an exhaust system of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle as standard factory equipment, ...in excess of that permitted by the standard factory equipment exhaust system of private passenger motor vehicles or trucks of standard make." [Dave] That last sentence could be interpreted to mean your vehicle can't be louder than a vehicle of standard make... Apples to apples - does that mean my Lightning should be compared to say, the WS6 / LS1 family (loudest stock vehicles I can recall ) or the Toyota prius ? Chambered pipes are not an effective muffling device to prevent excessive or unusual noise. [Dave] Not sure what the heck they mean here (flowmasters are not chambered pipes)... Incidentally, whilst searching for a court ruling... Some parking lots are "highways" in the commonwealth... http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvtx/1011807.txt "Our prior decisions dictate that the party seeking to establish that a particular way is a highway has the initial burden of presenting evidence of unrestricted access to the public. A sufficient showing of unrestricted access gives rise to the presumption that the way is a highway. Once this presumption is found to be applicable, the opposing party has the burden to rebut the presumption by showing that the area was open only to those with "express or implied permission from the owner[]." Kay Management, 220 Va. at 832, 263 S.E.2d at 402" [Dave] - Kay Management vs. Creason is the case referred in the last sentence... So, let's recap: Apt. complex streets and parking lot = a highway 7 - 11 parking lot = private property and not a highway. Sporting goods store parking lot = not highways... Got it? So, ok to cut red lights via apartment complexes, but not 7- 11's... ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:02:32 -0700 (PDT) >From: Paul Wilson >Subject: Re: Moto noise >To: Troutman , dc Cycles > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Troutman > >While I was searching the database, I came across this one : > >46.2-1049, >if such noise may be hazardous to the health and well-being of its citizens. >(Code 1950, )B 15.1-29.12; 1974, c. 339; 1985, c. 170; 1997, c. 587.) > >I know the AMA is going after laws that are motorcycle specific instead of >general to vehicles. Besides ruptured ear drums, how would your muffler be >hazardous to the health? > >------- > >IANAL, but it sounds like legal boilerplate that allows the statute to pass constitutional muster. The Commonwealth's Constitution is probably grants the General Assembly broad legislative powers to protect the "public health and well- being." > > > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 18:51:02 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Moto noise Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:51:59 -0400 On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:32:10 -0400, Troutman wrote > I know the AMA is going after laws that are motorcycle specific > instead of general to vehicles. Besides ruptured ear drums, how > would your muffler be hazardous to the health? Hazardous to your mental well being? I grew up in an order house that had single pane wood frame windows with a storm window. Anytime a loud vehicle would go by the windows would RATTLE violently and you could easily hear it inside. Even in my place today with newer windows I can hear intentionally loud vehicles outsite pretty easy. Mostly what pisses me off are people just laying on the horn because someone cut them off in the merge area. Drivers and riders may have no regard for the fact they are in a residential neighborhood. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 19:34:12 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Moto noise Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:33:50 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7943354845df327183fade2348b67d8903350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Hazardous to your mental well being? I grew up in an order house that had > single pane wood frame windows with a storm window. Anytime a loud vehicle > would go by the windows would RATTLE violently and you could easily hear it > inside. [Dave] There's a right time and place for everything. It warms my heart to hear the sound of an open pipe or lightly muffled big block v8 in a good state of tune at MIR... On the street, I prefer a little muffling of some sort... TOWMBO & I couldn't even talk in my big block Cougar while we were driving down the highway (and yes, it had _real_ mufflers). I even like the sound of a HD with aftermarket (but baffled) exhaust... BUT... If you're wincing in pain when you hear Tiny dick Mr. loud pipes rev his big twin, you just lost just a tiny bit of hearing, never to return. These guys list motos at 95 - 110 db. A Nascar race at 130, handgun 166... I'm pretty sure my (subsonic) '9's would be drown out by a WFO HD open pipe... Bartman? Screw the noise violation, get 'em for Breach of the Peace ! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 19:34:55 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Moto noise Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:34:34 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799f9ae652c37f023f57c8dc9efcd06680350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > These guys list motos at 95 - 110 db. [Dave] err... http://www.lhh.org/noise/decibel.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 23 19:45:12 2004 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: Need a machine shop for a cylinder hone To: stephen@XXXXXX, Troutman Cc: dc Cycles Try C&M on Rte 1 in Alexandria, near the Wal Mart. 703) 780-0566. They do excellent work, just painstaking attention to detail, and they're nice guys too. Plus their rates are very good! _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 24 10:15:31 2004 Subject: FW: You around? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:14:59 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Bike List" , Dan, I have posted your questions to the only e-mail list I am on- it's an interesting group - possible to change two gears - I don't think so - battery charger I would only use if you're bike is not being used for a couple of weeks - your bike is fuel injected so I would suspect that once you get a temperature you are good to go. All- her drives a 04 R6 (so jealous) that is in Canadian so that 41 means 41 degrees celcius Lastly, ride every day because when I come up you had better be past the break in period!!!!! 2 questions - one - when changing gears is it possible to change 2 at a time or does it always go one, sometimes it feels like i have changed 2 when i only meant one? - and two - do you hook up your bike to a battery charger? if you don't use it for a week? I have a battery charger but was only going to use it during winter storage? - does it damage the battery a drop charge if i don't use it after not using my bike for 5 days? - and three - how long do i have to warm up my bike - usually i do it for a minute when the temp gage goes from LO to 41 degrees then i go - that takes about 1 minute. Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 24 11:30:38 2004 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:30:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Julian Halton cc: DC Bike List , danhalton@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: You around? On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:14:59 -0400 > From: Julian Halton > To: DC Bike List , danhalton@XXXXXX > Subject: FW: You around? > > Dan, > > I have posted your questions to the only e-mail list I am on- it's an > interesting group > - possible to change two gears - I don't think so Depends on what you mean by "changing 2 at a time" - if its: Pull You Bike Clutch - shift (clicks) - shift (click) - shift (click) - unclutch That isn't uncommon, such as when you are braking to slow down to a stop light. If you're meaning: Clutch - shift (click click) unclutch I wouldn't expect to see that on a new bike with a well adjusted clutch. I had an old CB750 that had a pretty ratted out clutch which would do odd things like that, plus had false neutrals between all of the gears, but, that bike had plenty of other interesting character "features" so odd behaviour was expected. > - battery charger I would only use if you're bike is not being used for > a couple of weeks Depends on the bike, the battery and the charger - but, if you get a "smart" charger like a Battery Tender (batterytender.com), it shouldn't hurt, and may actually extend the life of the battery. Riding more frequently, of course, helps keep a good charge. See the "technical info" at the Battery Tender site for more background. > - your bike is fuel injected so I would suspect that once you get a > temperature you are good to go. Depends on the bike, the injection, the bike's computer, etc. RTFM or talk to your service professional. One of my bikes likes some warming (1992 VFR), the other specifically says "don't" (2002 BMW R1150RT). May also depend on emmissions controls, catalytic converters, etc. > > 2 questions - > > one - when changing gears is it possible to change 2 at a time or does > it always go one, sometimes it feels like i have changed 2 when i only > meant one? > > - and two - do you hook up your bike to a battery charger? if you don't > use it for a week? I have a battery charger but was only going to use > it during winter storage? - does it damage the battery a drop charge if > i don't use it after not using my bike for 5 days? > > - and three - how long do i have to warm up my bike - usually i do it > for a minute when the temp gage goes from LO to 41 degrees then i go - > that takes about 1 minute. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 24 12:58:19 2004 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:57:01 -0400 To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Moto noise At 01:32 PM 8/23/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >Besides ruptured ear drums, how would your muffler be >hazardous to the health? I've gotten occasional minor burns from mufflers and associated parts...my Yamaha once left a nice philips head screw burn on my leg. I suppose if you are riding somewhere that has a lot of flammables (like on a trail) and your muffler doesn't have a spark arrestor, it's conceivable that you might start a fire. Almost certain if you have one with a sparker in it. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 24 14:04:01 2004 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:01:44 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Moto noise Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 01:32 PM 8/23/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: > > >Besides ruptured ear drums, how would your muffler be > >hazardous to the health? > > I've gotten occasional minor burns from mufflers and associated parts...my > Yamaha once left a nice philips head screw burn on my leg. > > I suppose if you are riding somewhere that has a lot of flammables (like on > a trail) and your muffler doesn't have a spark arrestor, it's conceivable > that you might start a fire. Almost certain if you have one with a sparker > in it. ;-) there is a fire currently burning in california that was caused by a couple kids. they were riding their dirtbikes around, shooting eachother with BB guns. One crashed into some brush and the resulting fire was burning out of control. we used to do this all the time, and it was a blast. just glad we never started any fires... that way. :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 08:53:32 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DCcycles'" Subject: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:53:20 -0400 http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/08/25/daredevil.motorcyclists.ap/index.ht ml From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 09:12:27 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Jim McGonigle wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/08/25/daredevil.motorcyclists.ap/index.ht > ml > This story is full of irony. First the obvious, bikes FORCE an SUV offroad? Next, isn't an SUV meant to go offroad, must have been the first time it hit the dirt! Only one of 8 was wearing a seatbelt??? I could go on but I might be considered a stunter sympathizer, which I am not. Stunting is fine and dandy, off public streets. I'm wondering what its going to take to curb the new age of the "outlaw biker" Its a source of endless amusement to me that Harley riders are all RUBs and act like the bad boys but the real troublemakers are on sportbikes these days. Its also frustrating our insurance rates keep going up because of these clowns. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 09:17:26 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:15:08 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) The people doign that shit are a menace both to cages and to ordinary riders. to cages as demonstrated by the tumbling suburban, and to us by making people hate bikes and want to see them legislated. --skip Jim McGonigle wrote: > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/08/25/daredevil.motorcyclists.ap/index.ht > ml From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 09:17:40 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 9:17:29 -0400 > > From: "Jim McGonigle" > Date: 2004/08/25 Wed AM 08:53:20 EDT > To: "'DCcycles'" > Subject: More great press (sarcasm) > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/08/25/daredevil.motorcyclists.ap/index.ht > ml > The ones I've seen do this all had on very nice, expensive leather gear as well as full face helmets so at least they're "mature". ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 09:22:09 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 9:22:01 -0400 > > From: dan > Date: 2004/08/25 Wed AM 09:11:22 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/08/25/daredevil.motorcyclists.ap/index.ht > > ml > > > > This story is full of irony. First the obvious, bikes FORCE an SUV > offroad? Next, isn't an SUV meant to go offroad, must have been the first > time it hit the dirt! ..well the *first* thing any responsible driver is going to try and do is evade hitting the motorcyclists. I don't see that as ironic, but an evasive tactic. What do you expect them to do, run them over? Yes, SUV's can go offroad, just like dirtbikes can, but under controlled conditions. Not at highway speed down an enbankment. > Only one of 8 was wearing a seatbelt??? I could go > on but I might be considered a stunter sympathizer, which I am not. ...not wearing a seatbelt was stupid I agree. But it still sounds like you're deflecting the blame from the bikers to the SUV driver. Would of it made any difference if it was a car? > Stunting is fine and dandy, off public streets. > > I'm wondering what its going to take to curb the new age of the "outlaw > biker" Its a source of endless amusement to me that Harley riders are all > RUBs and act like the bad boys but the real troublemakers are on > sportbikes these days. > > Its also frustrating our insurance rates keep going up because of these > clowns. 100% agree there. -aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 09:27:49 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think Stunting has gone Mainstream. Anyone see the MTV documentary on the Stuntaz group out of florida? Far too many times this summer i see guys doing standup wheelies on major highways. Not too long before we have serious outcry from the public. Ryan --- dan wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/08/25/daredevil.motorcyclists.ap/index.ht > > ml > > > > This story is full of irony. First the obvious, > bikes FORCE an SUV > offroad? Next, isn't an SUV meant to go offroad, > must have been the first > time it hit the dirt! Only one of 8 was wearing a > seatbelt??? I could go > on but I might be considered a stunter sympathizer, > which I am not. > Stunting is fine and dandy, off public streets. > > I'm wondering what its going to take to curb the new > age of the "outlaw > biker" Its a source of endless amusement to me that > Harley riders are all > RUBs and act like the bad boys but the real > troublemakers are on > sportbikes these days. > > Its also frustrating our insurance rates keep going > up because of these > clowns. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 09:41:13 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:41:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) At 09:24 AM 8/25/2004, Ryan Santoso wrote: >Far too many times this summer i see guys doing >standup wheelies on major highways. Not too long >before we have serious outcry from the public. We already have. What was that Maryland project a couple of years ago to curb extreme bikes? Predating 'smooth operator'. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 09:57:17 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:56:58 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Troutman Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Operation Road Rocket? Something like that I think ... They had a couple of BMW K1200RS's outfitted with lights/sirens if I remember correctly. On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:41:06 -0400, Troutman wrote: > At 09:24 AM 8/25/2004, Ryan Santoso wrote: > >Far too many times this summer i see guys doing > >standup wheelies on major highways. Not too long > >before we have serious outcry from the public. > > We already have. > > What was that Maryland project a couple of years ago to curb extreme > bikes? Predating 'smooth operator'. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 10:34:59 2004 Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:34:56 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > Operation Road Rocket? Something like that I think ... They > had a couple of BMW K1200RS's outfitted with lights/sirens if > I remember correctly. I remember that too. Not sure if they're the same bikes, but I regularly see a couple of Beemer cops down by Pentagon in the morning. Don't remember if they're park police or Arlington... Nice bikes, though. >..well the *first* thing any responsible driver is going to >try and do is evade hitting the motorcyclists. I don't see >that as ironic, but an evasive tactic. What do you expect >them to do, run them over? Sure. If you're being an idiot on the road, you'll get what's coming to you. If you're stupid enough to do that kind of stuff on a major highway without at least considering that you'll be someone's hood ornament, then you deserve it. I drive an SUV... One of the larger ones available. I know that anything I hit is gonna be toast. If I see a biker (or a cage for that matter) being stupid, I'll avoid him if possible, but in no way am I going to risk ANYONE else in the process. Now, if a biker passes me and happens to break a chain or blow a tire or something and it's a choice of me or him... I'll plant the SUV into a telephone pole to avoid him if I have to... But if he's an ass pulling 100mph wheelies in traffic, he better have damn good armor (and insurance). --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 10:36:37 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:36:29 -0400 >First the obvious, bikes FORCE an SUV offroad? The driver probably woke up to his surroundings, saw a bike magically appear in front of him and panicked. One of my students (MANY years ago) told me in class one morning that I passed her boyfriend so fast (I was driving a Pinto at the time) that he had to hit his brakes to keep from hitting me. She never was able to answer my question that if I was going that much faster than him, how he could have hit me. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 10:38:24 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Those are Pentagon police. They got those shortly after 9/11. Glenn --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > > I remember that too. Not sure if they're the same > bikes, but I > regularly see a couple of Beemer cops down by > Pentagon in the morning. > Don't remember if they're park police or > Arlington... Nice bikes, > though. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 10:58:34 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Aaron Maurer'" , Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:58:18 -0400 On my way back from the beach on RT 50 I saw 4 MD state troopers with BMWs. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:57 AM To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) Operation Road Rocket? Something like that I think ... They had a couple of BMW K1200RS's outfitted with lights/sirens if I remember correctly. On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:41:06 -0400, Troutman wrote: > At 09:24 AM 8/25/2004, Ryan Santoso wrote: > >Far too many times this summer i see guys doing > >standup wheelies on major highways. Not too long > >before we have serious outcry from the public. > > We already have. > > What was that Maryland project a couple of years ago to curb extreme > bikes? Predating 'smooth operator'. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 11:33:27 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: More great press (sarcasm) On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > This story is full of irony. First the obvious, bikes FORCE an SUV > > offroad? Next, isn't an SUV meant to go offroad, must have been the first > > time it hit the dirt! > > > ..well the *first* thing any responsible driver is going to try and do > is evade hitting the motorcyclists. I don't see that as ironic, but an > evasive tactic. What do you expect them to do, run them over? > > Yes, SUV's can go offroad, just like dirtbikes can, but under controlled conditions. Not at highway speed down an enbankment. > > The irony is we are all run off, cut off, etc everday. How many times have you heard of a bike running a car off the road. That's the irony. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 11:43:24 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Re: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:43:17 -0400 I believe it though. Has anyone had a bike go by them at 100+ mph w/o expecting it. It happened to me on Rt 50 a few weeks back. I'm going 75 mph and a liter bike passed me at a minimum of a 120. It took him about 8 seconds to be out of my vision once he passed. It was startling having something loud and fast pass that close. I can see people swerving to the next lane. Just an observation. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: More great press (sarcasm) On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > This story is full of irony. First the obvious, bikes FORCE an SUV > > offroad? Next, isn't an SUV meant to go offroad, must have been the > > first time it hit the dirt! > > > ..well the *first* thing any responsible driver is going to try and do > is evade hitting the motorcyclists. I don't see that as ironic, but > an evasive tactic. What do you expect them to do, run them over? > > Yes, SUV's can go offroad, just like dirtbikes can, but under controlled conditions. Not at highway speed down an enbankment. > > The irony is we are all run off, cut off, etc everday. How many times have you heard of a bike running a car off the road. That's the irony. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 11:44:04 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:43:33 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) I see no irony in this story. A group of squids breaking the law and riding recklessly caused an accident. The only irony I see is that some people (not here specifically - this story is making the rounds on various lists and forums) almost try and defend the actions of the squids or transfer the blame, where if the roles were reversed and the crime committed by the SUV, they'd be looking for a tall tree and short rope. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 11:57:14 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > I see no irony in this story. A group of squids breaking the law and > riding recklessly caused an accident. > > The only irony I see is that some people (not here specifically - this > story is making the rounds on various lists and forums) almost try and > defend the actions of the squids or transfer the blame, where if the > roles were reversed and the crime committed by the SUV, they'd be > looking for a tall tree and short rope. Well said, Brian. Also, did anyone read the article? The biker cut off a Ford Explorer (a small SUV - my SL500 weighs almost as much) and the Explorer ran into a Suburban, forcing it off the road. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 12:05:06 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:22:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > Now, if a biker passes me and happens to break a chain or blow a tire or > something and it's a choice of me or him... I'll plant the SUV into a > telephone pole to avoid him if I have to... But if he's an ass pulling > 100mph wheelies in traffic, he better have damn good armor (and > insurance). Oh please. In a split second, you're going to try to avoid the biker (or car, boat :-) plane, underpants gnome, whatever), regardless of the situation. Moving at 75mph, there is no way for you to know whether the biker is going down because of 'stupidity' or your list of acceptable mechanical failures. Ok, maybe you'll run over the underpants gnome... but not the others! :-) I also drive one of the largest SUVs on the market today, weighing 3+ tons, unloaded. I know that while it may do some damage, I could get fucked up in the process. Weight != safety. If that were the case, big rig drivers would never be hurt in accidents. That said, I'd rather be driving a larger vehicle than something like a Geo Metro in an accident. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 12:07:11 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:00:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) At 08:53 AM 8/25/04 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: >http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/08/25/daredevil.motorcyclists.ap/index.ht >ml At least some of the public seems to recognize a difference between bike styles. I was in Giant last night, and the checkout lady noticed my leather vest (says "Harley Davidson" on it) and asked if I had a bike to go with it. I said I did, and she said she had never had a problem on the road with any Harley riders, they were always "polite" and rode well and calmly, but that "those rice rocket riders" were a menace...weaving from lane to lane, speeding, doing stunts and generally acting like idiots and endangering everyone. She didn't mention loud pipes, on either sort of bike, as a problem though...just the way the sportbikers that get noticed ride theirs. Just another data point. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 12:14:42 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Jim McGonigle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: More great press (sarcasm) -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle I believe it though. Has anyone had a bike go by them at 100+ mph w/o expecting it. It happened to me on Rt 50 a few weeks back. I'm going 75 mph and a liter bike passed me at a minimum of a 120. It took him about 8 seconds to be out of my vision once he passed. It was startling having something loud and fast pass that close. I can see people swerving to the next lane. Just an observation. -Jim ------ Yup. I've been toodling along at ~70 (on two and four wheels) minding my own business on the Hanson Hwy. (50), and unless I'm watching my mirrors intently, I too have been startled by asshat squids blasting through traffic at better than 100. At that speed differential, it doesn't take long to be overtaken and zinged with a sudden bark of aftermarket pipes. All it takes is one inattentive cager, in a post-prandial stupor, diddling with the radio, or whatever, to be startled, slam on the brakes, swerve in his lane, etc...and you've got a major oopsie in the making. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 12:16:35 2004 Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:16:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: We all know what trickles downhill and how negative publicity will impact all of us. I am saddened that people were injured. I am also unhappy at the thought of what the committees, task forces and safety advocacy groups FUNDED by the insurance industry will come up with in response. As to weaving in and out of traffic..the obvious comes to mind here....don't be lolly gagging in the left lane please. I was cut off harshly yesterday between Canal road and MacArthur blvd. For those familiar, you take a right turn into a one lane which after the first curve becomes two lane. I signaled and lane changed and then watched as the light blue crown vic in the right lane, started switching without signaling forcing me to slow down. We should form our own advocacy group.. Motorcyclists against dumb as automobile drivers that do not understand how to drive. As an ex of mine says, bad news bears From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 12:24:28 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > But if he's an ass pulling > 100mph wheelies in traffic, he better have damn good armor (and > insurance). Oh please. In a split second, you're going to try to avoid the biker (or car, boat :-) plane, underpants gnome, whatever), regardless of the situation. ... ----- Personally, I don't brake for gnomes...unless they're too big to eat in one sitting. Y'all do know the "eat in one sitting" rule for bike/furry critter encounters, right? Most people, given the choice of running over something or not (especially another human) will choose to not. Or at least I'd like to think so. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 12:51:29 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:37:12 -0400 Along the same....MD State is using an umarked Ford Expedition up and down 270 now. Med. to dark blue. No external lights, badges, etc. But it sure does light up! (Observed on the shoulder, not in my mirror) ;) Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:34:56 -0400 > Operation Road Rocket? Something like that I think ... They > had a couple of BMW K1200RS's outfitted with lights/sirens if > I remember correctly. I remember that too. Not sure if they're the same bikes, but I regularly see a couple of Beemer cops down by Pentagon in the morning. Don't remember if they're park police or Arlington... Nice bikes, though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 12:54:30 2004 From: To: Paul Wilson , Jim McGonigle , Subject: RE: Re: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:54:20 -0400 >All it takes is one inattentive cager, >in a post-prandial stupor, diddling with the radio, or >whatever, to be startled, slam on the brakes, swerve in his >lane, etc...and you've got a major oopsie in the making. Perhaps we should focus on training cagers to pay attention to their surroundings as they trundle their 2-3 tons of sheet metal about the countryside. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 12:54:49 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: Re: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:54:42 -0400 >All it takes is one inattentive cager, >in a post-prandial stupor, diddling with the radio, or >whatever, to be startled, slam on the brakes, swerve in his >lane, etc...and you've got a major oopsie in the making. Perhaps we should focus on training cagers to pay attention to their surroundings as they trundle their 2-3 tons of sheet metal about the countryside. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 13:09:15 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Re: More great press (sarcasm) On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > >All it takes is one inattentive cager, > >in a post-prandial stupor, diddling with the radio, or > >whatever, to be startled, slam on the brakes, swerve in his > >lane, etc...and you've got a major oopsie in the making. > > Perhaps we should focus on training cagers to pay attention to their surroundings as they trundle their 2-3 tons of sheet metal about the countryside. > > Michael J. From the opening e-mail on this subject, it appears that 'cagers' aren't the only ones that would benefit from additional training. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 13:12:09 2004 Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:12:07 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Wayne Edelen" , > Oh please. In a split second, you're going to try to avoid > the biker (or car, boat :-) plane, underpants gnome, > whatever), regardless of the situation. Moving at 75mph, > there is no way for you to know whether the biker is going > down because of 'stupidity' or your list of acceptable > mechanical failures. Not sure what you're saying here... Whether a driver can or can't avoid someone. I guess the point I'm trying to make (maybe not very well) is that you can normally determine that someone is a jerk before they're in your space... Especially on an Interstate or in town. On twisties in the mountains is another case. If someone's being a jerk, it's generally obvious before he reaches you (unless he's coming around a blind corner, in which case there's nothing anyone can do anyway). If I realize he's a jerk, I'm already going to be looking for options because I expect him to be a flaming idiot who's probably going to cause an accident eventually. I'll take any option I can find to avoid him, but if I don't have any decent options other than smack him, it's gonna happen. If my options are him, a tree or someone else's vehicle... It'll be him. On the other hand, if any biker comes at me and isn't blatently being a jerk I'll take any option I can find. Even if that option is a tree or telephone pole. I have airbags, a seatbelt and lots of steel - he doesn't. I'll get hurt, he'll die. Easy choice to make. If you're saying anyone can't react fast enough... It only takes two seconds. If he's going fast enough to barrel into me within two seconds of being visible, there's nothing anyone other than him can do anyway. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:18:09 2004 Subject: Good bags for a sport bike Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:17:44 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I am getting closer and closer to the idea of heading Northbound for my brother's wedding in MTL, Canada. The trip should be about ten hours. I am excited about riding with my brother and maybe cruising the Eastern townships of Quebec. I have two questions: - any recommendations on a good, non damaging, easy to use\install saddlebags for a R6? - for those of you with long trip experience, any must haves? I looked for a tire plug kit today at the dreaded C but they had none. thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:30:19 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Good bags for a sport bike To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > I am getting closer and closer to the idea of heading > Northbound for my > brother's wedding in MTL, Canada. The trip should be > about ten hours. I > am excited about riding with my brother and maybe > cruising the Eastern > townships of Quebec. I have two questions: > > - any recommendations on a good, non damaging, easy to > use\install > saddlebags for a R6? www.rka-luggage.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:35:27 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:35:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good bags for a sport bike On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:17:44 -0400 > From: Julian Halton > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Good bags for a sport bike > > I am getting closer and closer to the idea of heading Northbound for my > brother's wedding in MTL, Canada. The trip should be about ten hours. I > am excited about riding with my brother and maybe cruising the Eastern > townships of Quebec. I have two questions: > > - any recommendations on a good, non damaging, easy to use\install > saddlebags for a R6? Dunno about non damaging, but I've seen people use various sorts of contact paper to help prevent paint damage. See Aerostitch.com for more info. > - for those of you with long trip experience, any must haves? Water, a power bar or two, Cell phone, motorcycle tow ph. number and/or coverage. Insurance papers and DL, photo copy of both with emergency nums. Duct tape and a leatherman tool. Earplugs. Manual for your bike. First Aid kit. List/phone numbers of motorcycle dealers who do service between here and there. maps and or GPS. If you're crossing the boarder, take your passport, it will make life easier coming home. Take a photo copy too, in case you lose the original. Check your insurance to make sure its good in Canada - they're more strict than we are. Check this page - see the "camping/traveling list" entry: http://users.net1plus.com/holbrook/mark.htm -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:38:04 2004 Subject: Fitted ear plugs Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:37:40 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Comments on fitted ear plugs that get molded to your ears? Anyone have a recommendation? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:43:40 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: getting tires mounted To: Larry , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Larry wrote: > Hey folks, > > Just got a quote for $380 to purchase & mount a set of > pilot sports at > MFI. I did some searching, and it seems that CAD cycles > is the place to > go to, if you bring them your wheels off the bike. Is > there a store > closer to springfield, VA, that will do the same service? > I'm looking to > buy a pair of sportec M1's. I've found them online for > $216 shipped, > which I think is a pretty good price. Also, I've never > removed a wheel > before, do I need special tools? the bike is a 01 ZX-6R. > Thanks! do you have front and rear stands for the bike? if not, forget about it and go with MFI (unless you're planning to do this regularly, in which case you'll want to invest in stands ($200+) and a factory manual). fast lane cycles in chantilly (up 7100 from springfield) is another option. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:44:58 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: Fitted ear plugs To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't think they are worth their value. You can buy almost several years worth of supply of the disposable. In my opinion, some of the softer ones are just as good as the custom molded. My favorte is E-A-R model called the "E.Z.Fit". Ryan --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Comments on fitted ear plugs that get molded to your > ears? > Anyone have a recommendation? > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:46:27 2004 Subject: RE: Good bags for a sport bike Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:46:25 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > - any recommendations on a good, non damaging, easy to > use\install saddlebags for a R6? Tourmaster Cortech Sport saddlebags and seatbag... About $160 for the set at New England Moto Emporium - http://www.motoemporium.com/luggage/motorcycleluggage.html I have the set on my FZ1 and it's by far the best made set of "Sport" luggage I've seen. No scratches, rain covers included, LOTS of really nice features. Comes installs and uninstalls in about 30 seconds. Can send pictures if you want to see the full set on the bike. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:46:32 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:46:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Fitted ear plugs For my money, unless you're an arena rock star doing 200 shows a year, these work great and can be found at dcTarget: http://www.hearos.com/products-02427.htm -Sean Julian Halton wrote: > Comments on fitted ear plugs that get molded to your ears? > Anyone have a recommendation? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:51:02 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:51:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Fitted ear plugs > Julian Halton Wrote: >Comments on fitted ear plugs that get molded to your ears? >Anyone have a recommendation? I've been happy with this style of plug (not fitted) http://www.drugstore.com/qxp75090_333181_sespider/macks/pillow_soft_silicone_earplugs_value_pack.htm Mack's Pillow earplug. It's a deformable silicone - so it doesn't scrape up my ear canal like other foam ones have. I toss them when the get dirty. Since they 'smoosh' outside your ear canal, it plugs up the canal fairly well. Cuts back on my wind and engine noise fairly well and I can still hear people talking to me with helmet on and engine running. Lots of other places to buy it. Erick - 74' CB-750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:53:30 2004 Subject: RE: Fitted ear plugs Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:53:29 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Julian Halton" , I actually prefer re-usable swimmers plugs. Don't remember the brand, but you can pick up a set at CVS for $3 or so. Blue plastic (soft)... Kind of look like a Christmas tree. Much softer than most others, reasonably small, washable. I always go with the ones that have the LOWEST decibel rating (about 22 I think) so I can still hear the bike and other outside noise. I'm just blocking the wind-roar screaming through my hollow skull. :) --smthng > Comments on fitted ear plugs that get molded to your ears? > Anyone have a recommendation? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 15:59:54 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:57:35 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Free Yes Tickets I got four from work, two are taken. free for the taking. --skip 571-228-7119 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 16:00:39 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:00:23 EDT Subject: Re: Fitted ear plugs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/25/2004 3:51:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, es87m@XXXXXX writes: > I've been happy with this style of plug (not fitted) > http://www.drugstore.com/qxp75090_333181_sespider/macks/pillow_soft_silicone_ > earplugs_value_pack.htm > > Mack's Pillow earplug. Ditto on that one. I for one cannot stand to have anything _in_ my ear canal, after a couple of hours it becomes very painful. The Silicone ones do not enter the canal itself so I find them far more comfortable. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 16:15:22 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good bags for a sport bike Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:32:22 -0400 Scooter is an R6 pilot with some touring experience. I don't have his e-mail handy, but he's always on the list... Perry >From: Tom Gimer >To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Good bags for a sport bike >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:30:11 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Julian Halton wrote: > > > I am getting closer and closer to the idea of heading > > Northbound for my > > brother's wedding in MTL, Canada. The trip should be > > about ten hours. I > > am excited about riding with my brother and maybe > > cruising the Eastern > > townships of Quebec. I have two questions: > > > > - any recommendations on a good, non damaging, easy to > > use\install > > saddlebags for a R6? > >www.rka-luggage.com > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 16:24:20 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Good bags for a sport bike On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > - any recommendations on a good, non damaging, easy to use\install > saddlebags for a R6? I have been happy with the Tourmaster Cortech series luggage. When my bike was mostly stock, I used the saddlebags, tailpack and tankbag together. Now, with my high mount exhaust, I use the tankbag and tailpack. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 20:53:41 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:54:42 -0400 I would try to avoid anything in my path if I was going to collide with it. Even if it was a stupid biker doing a wheelie or something stupid. Trying to punish someone by purposely not avoiding (arguable intentionally hitting them) them because they did something I didn't like is wrong. Turn the other cheek and hope they don't hurt themselves. I don't want someones death on my conscious because I was trying to teach them a lesson. Stupid drivers come in all flavors, car, truck, suv or bike. That being said I avoided a speed trap on Research Blvd in Rockville today because an SUV flashed the brights. So I am in a pro suv mood :) Regards, Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 21:22:50 2004 Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:22:48 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Rob Sharp" , > I would try to avoid anything in my path if I was going to > collide with it. > Even if it was a stupid biker doing a wheelie or something > stupid. Trying to punish someone by purposely not avoiding > (arguable intentionally hitting them) them because they did > something I didn't like is wrong. Of course, I'd do whatever I could to avoid someone (even if they are an idiot)... But if I have to make a choice between hitting an idiot and risking anyone else BECAUSE of that idiot... The idiot is gonna lose. That being said, I've never hit anyone or anything in a vehicle of any kind. Had plenty hit me though, thankfully never on the bike. > Stupid drivers come in all flavors, car, truck, suv or bike. Too true. Unfortunately, "bike" tends to come out worse off than the others, all else being equal. > That being said I avoided a speed trap on Research Blvd in > Rockville today because an SUV flashed the brights. So I am > in a pro suv mood :) Had one save me the same way yesterday on the way home from West Virginia... Good job too, it would have been a nasty ticket - speed limit dropped from 55 to 40 with the cop right around the bend from the change... Downhill too. :( --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 21:56:38 2004 Reply-To: "Louis Caplan" From: "Louis Caplan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride for Kids volunteers needed Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:58:21 -0400 On September 19th we will be having the Columbia Ride for Kids, benefitting the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation. I'm on the Task Force that helps to plan the ride. We need to have about 100-130 volunteers to help out with things such as the registration of riders, directing parking, directing riders, etc. So far this year we are short of our goal. If you would be interested in helping out, we need the help. You can contact Howard DePue at OciKat2@XXXXXX. You can call him at 410-312-5273. (If Jackie answers, she can help you as well) Besides the ride itself, you would also need to attend a training session. Howard will give you more information but here is the rough schedule. For anything BUT parking, either one of the following: Wednesday Sept. 15th, at the Reston (VA) Library, 7 - 9 pm Thursday Sept. 16, at Bob's BMW in Columbia/Jessup, MD, 7-9 pm If you'd like to help park motorcycles, we will be meeting at the Mall in Columbia 10 am Saturday, Sept 18th. Parkers must have a current motorcycle license! Thanks to anyone who can help, For more information about the Ride for Kids, see http://www.ride4kids.org or the link in my signature. If I can answer anything, please drop me a line. Louis - - - - - - - - - - - "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 25 23:33:07 2004 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:32:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: reckless in Prince William - lawyer needed Hi, A friend of mine was ticketed for doing 81 in a 60 on 66 near Manassas. Anyone have a suggestion for a good lawyer? Thanks. _|)B|_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_ J. Andrew Culpepper ..... King George, VA ..... (540) 775-3984 '03 SV1000 '01 Jackal '01 ZR-7S '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 00:51:03 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:52:17 -0400 From: corey Reply-To: corey To: spawn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: getting tires mounted --- Larry wrote: > Hey folks, > > Just got a quote for $380 to purchase & mount a set of > pilot sports at MFI. I did some searching, and it seems that CAD cycles > is the place to go to, if you bring them your wheels off the bike. Is > there a store closer to springfield, VA, that will do the same service? > I'm looking to buy a pair of sportec M1's. I've found them online for > $216 shipped, which I think is a pretty good price. Also, I've never > removed a wheel before, do I need special tools? the bike is a 01 ZX-6R. > Thanks! Probably won't be an issue, but I had problems with CAD and mounting tires a while back. bought a BT45 from discountmotorcycletires.com at a very good price, pulled the rims and brought the whole mess up to CAD. when i picked them up, the mech said that my rear tire was 'defective' and wouldn't hold a bead. i took his word for it, but got suspicious a few days later. took it into coleman's and they had nary a problem mounting it up. 1500 miles later, it's still holding strong. YMMV, but i'll never give 'em a red penny again. ___________________________________________ corey [journal] www.egoinc.org [portfolio] www.blanksky.com [forum] www.dcstreet.com If you think there is good in everybody then you obviously haven't met everybody. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 01:11:24 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:10:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) At 09:22 PM 8/25/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >> That being said I avoided a speed trap on Research Blvd in >> Rockville today because an SUV flashed the brights. So I am >> in a pro suv mood :) > >Had one save me the same way yesterday on the way home from West >Virginia... A friend's father got pulled over for that once. It's against the law apparently, at least in some places (maybe all, never checked). Cop stopped him, asked for license and registration, looked at the license, and said, "This isn't your license...", friend's father said, "Yes it is...check the photo." Cop said, "Well, the name on this license isn't 'Paul Revere', and the way you were rushing across the countryside flashing your lights to warn everyone, I figured you just had to be Paul Revere..." Friend's father had a big Suzuki (750 I think it was...this was the mid-70s, wasn't into bikes much at the time myself so I didn't make notes). Had problems with the counterbalancers, and pulled the engine twice to work on them. He was about to put it back for the second time when someone told him what it weighed, and he had to get help putting it back, while he'd done it alone the first time. Sometimes it's best not to know the details I guess. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 01:15:43 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:15:39 -0400 To: "Rob Sharp" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) At 08:54 PM 8/25/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: >Turn the other cheek and hope they don't hurt themselves. I don't want >someones death on my conscious because I was trying to teach them a lesson. >Stupid drivers come in all flavors, car, truck, suv or bike. I think his point was that if someone is to get hurt, the one who caused the situation is the one that should bear the consequences, not some innocent person who happened to be in the vicinity at the time. I tend to agree. I also tend to agree that in most cases you won't have time to work out what your options are, whether the bike is being an idiot, and still have time left to implement a plan of action according to the stated rules. If you do, go for it, but it doesn't seem likely to me. If you've got that much time, you can probably find a way to avoid anyone getting hurt. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 08:33:52 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:33:46 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MB relayed: >A friend's father got pulled over for that once. It's >against the law apparently, at least in some places (maybe >all, never checked). Cop stopped him, asked for license and >registration, looked at the license, and said, "This isn't >your license...", friend's father said, "Yes it >is...check the photo." Cop said, "Well, the name on this >license isn't 'Paul Revere', and the way you were rushing >across the countryside flashing your lights to warn >everyone, I figured you just had to be Paul Revere..." > [Dave] Dr. Gridlock addressed this a while back; as in a couple years ago. It is NOT illegal in either MD or VA to flash your lights to warn of a speed trap. It is to put high beams on approaching traffic. My parents neighbor was detained for this very thing by PG county cops in Accokeek - yes, you read that right. Apparently, they got lost, and decided to set up a speed trap until they ran out of donuts. Lisa went a little farther, however, and actually parked on the side of Livingston road the opposite direction up stream of the trap. She said she flashed every car for about 20 minutes. Once the cars started rolling through at speed, they made the rookie put down the donuts and investigate. He came up with all kinds of BS, held her for about 2 hours, then finally released her with a ticket for violating the high beaming law(MD). That was dismissed at trial, to the clear chagrin of the cops. Score one for the good guys. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 09:22:31 2004 Subject: RE: Cops and lights (was more great press) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:22:29 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > Lisa went a little farther, > however, and actually parked on the side of Livingston road > the opposite direction up stream of the trap. She said she > flashed every car for about 20 minutes. Once the cars > started rolling through at speed, they made the rookie put > down the donuts and investigate. That is too funny. Way to go! It's nice to know there are some people who are willing to put up with the hassle of standing their ground against the system. Glad to hear that she was cleared of everything. While we're on that topic... http://www.stickergiant.com/page/sg/PROD/j31 (not spam, I promise). --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 09:47:48 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:47:37 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: DC-Cycles Subject: Lister getting a ticket/tow on toll road yesterday? Coming home last night on the Dulles toll road, just as it drops onto I-66 Eastbound, I passed a towtruck and LEO bracketing a motorcycle on the shoulder. Not sure if the rider was in custody, or had had a spill (no ambulance in sight), but in any case I hope everything turned out for the best. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 09:48:22 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Travelling gear (was Good bags for a sport bike) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:48:01 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" . . .. snip - for those of you with long trip experience, any must haves? ***** In addition to other items mentioned, a locking cable/chain, bike cover, garbage bags for the surprise wet, hidden spare keys. Oh. I find very large duffle bags, bungeed securely, work extremely well. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Get a trailer for trips -- my back's killing me. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 09:59:42 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:59:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates MB relayed: >A friend's father got pulled over for that once. ... [Dave] Dr. Gridlock addressed this a while back; as in a couple years ago. It is NOT illegal in either MD or VA to flash your lights to warn of a speed trap. It is to put high beams on approaching traffic. .... Okey-dokey, but how'm I supposed to flash my lights, as supposed to my high-beams? Moto, I can thumb the starter switch and blink the lo-beam headlights, not that anyone will notice. :-\ In the cage, with those daytime running lights, the only way I know of to blink those is to apply the hand brake. Not a good idea at speed, I would think. You could turn the low-beams on/off I suppose, but someone blinking the low-beams wouldn't command much attention. On a lot of cages, like Milady's VW, the turn signal lever is set up specifically to flash the high-beams, since in Yurp they don't have these hang-ups and use the hi-beam headlights as signals all the time. Dunno about Japanese or 'Murcan cages; I've never owned one. Cops claim they run speed enforcement for our "safety." Seems like even a handful of motorists getting other motorists to slow down and pay attention in the LEO presence furthers that goal exponentially. When I see another motorist flashing his lights, that signals to me "hazard ahead," not necessarily a LEO. Could be a tree or wires down in the road, animals, a serious wreck, etc., etc. It's one of the tools of polite driving, seems to me and to outlaw just so some LEOs won't have their speed trap "fun" impacted seems downright dumb and counter-productive. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 10:10:12 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:10:06 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Paul Axed: >Okey-dokey, but how'm I supposed to flash my lights, as supposed to my high-beams? [Dave] The violation for high beams is putting the high beams on approaching traffic and leaving them on, not flashing them. >Cops claim they run speed enforcement for our "safety." Seems like even a handful of motorists getting other motorists to slow down and pay attention in the LEO presence furthers that goal exponentially. When I see another motorist flashing his lights, that signals to me "hazard ahead," not necessarily a LEO. Could be a tree or wires down in the road, animals, a serious wreck, etc., etc. It's one of the tools of polite driving, seems to me and to outlaw just so some LEOs won't have their speed trap "fun" impacted seems downright dumb and counter-productive. [Dave] You'll never be "Da Mayah" with that attitude, Paul... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 11:06:44 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:04:17 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) I had a thought about encouraging seep limit compliance without signifcant cost... use empty police cruisers. scatter them about in VISIBLE locations. people will slow down because they don't know which one has a cop in it running radar. cost? minimal comapred to the cost of a cop. in another note, I am still pissed as hell that the state government has decided that it is illegal for me to recieve a certain frequency of the PUBLIC RF spectrum because it interferes with their revenue generation. I mean, I am atill REALLY pissed about that. --skip Dave Yates wrote: > > Paul Axed: > > >Okey-dokey, but how'm I supposed to flash my lights, as > supposed to my high-beams? > > [Dave] The violation for high beams is putting the high > beams on approaching traffic and leaving them on, not > flashing them. > > >Cops claim they run speed enforcement for our "safety." > Seems like even a handful of motorists getting other > motorists to slow down and pay attention in the LEO presence > furthers that goal exponentially. When I see another > motorist flashing his lights, that signals to me "hazard > ahead," not necessarily a LEO. Could be a tree or wires down > in the road, animals, a serious wreck, etc., etc. It's one > of the tools of polite driving, seems to me and to outlaw > just so some LEOs won't have their speed trap "fun" impacted > seems downright dumb and counter-productive. > > [Dave] You'll never be "Da Mayah" with that attitude, Paul... > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 11:17:00 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Lister getting a ticket/tow on toll road yesterday? On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Robert wrote: > > Coming home last night on the Dulles toll road, just as it drops onto > I-66 Eastbound, I passed a towtruck and LEO bracketing a motorcycle on > the shoulder. Not sure if the rider was in custody, or had had a > spill (no ambulance in sight), but in any case I hope everything > turned out for the best. I must have been by a just a bit earlier - I saw the bike, a red and black yamaha (iirc), sitting with a state trooper behind it. Didn't see the rider, but presumed he was in the car with the trooper. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 11:29:46 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:29:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Skip wrote: > > in another note, I am still pissed as hell that the state government has > decided that it is illegal for me to recieve a certain frequency of the > PUBLIC RF spectrum because it interferes with their revenue generation. > > I mean, I am atill REALLY pissed about that. It isn't illegal to receive or detect radar. Nor is it illegal to own or transport a non-operational and non accessible radar detector in VA. It's illegal to operate a motor vehicle equipped with such a device - though is a no-points offense, and further, is illegal to sell detectors. Also, the cops can take a detector, but, only for evidence and they have to return it, when requested, when it is no longer needed. Arlington, btw, has taken to using LIDAR - saw a motorcycle officer at Rt. 50 and Edison this morning, nailing people as they came down the hill westbound, just before Carlin Springs. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 11:38:05 2004 Subject: Detection Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:37:35 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Most police departments now use LIDAR. And there are even more advanced technologies coming to a neighborhood near you. Unless we put up a fight, we may end up with hyper radar that automatically tracks multiple vehicles and issues tickets electronically like in France. Of course Lockheed Martin gets a percentage kickback per citation issued. Not that it matters and for the record...In a year of riding I have only been stopped once on my bike. It was Southbound on North Glebe..shortly after crossing Lee highway. It was an arctic cold day and all I could think about was the toasty warm parking garage a few blocks away. I accelerated hard off the light to 49 mph. I saw the car near mount olivet church sticking its front out. As I came closer it was too late. The LEO that pulled me over is a bike LEO as well. We have actually worked security together at a few Arlington drunk fests. No mercy or clemency was in the air that evening and I got my first and only citation while on a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 11:57:50 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... To: dccycles Leaving in the a.m. Hopefully the weather will cooperate for a nice ride this weekend. Heading out 50 thru WV to Athens, OH then up towards Columbus. Y'all enjoy your weekend...get out and ride...sposed to be nice. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 12:01:53 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:01:38 EDT Subject: Re: Good bags for a sport bike To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm already on top of it. Thanks for the vote of confidence though. :-) Scooter In a message dated 8/25/2004 4:15:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: Scooter is an R6 pilot with some touring experience. I don't have his e-mail handy, but he's always on the list... Perry >From: Tom Gimer >To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Good bags for a sport bike >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:30:11 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Julian Halton wrote: > > > I am getting closer and closer to the idea of heading > > Northbound for my > > brother's wedding in MTL, Canada. The trip should be > > about ten hours. I > > am excited about riding with my brother and maybe > > cruising the Eastern > > townships of Quebec. I have two questions: > > > > - any recommendations on a good, non damaging, easy to > > use\install > > saddlebags for a R6? > >www.rka-luggage.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 12:03:30 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:01:05 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Skip wrote: > > > > in another note, I am still pissed as hell that the state government has > > decided that it is illegal for me to recieve a certain frequency of the > > PUBLIC RF spectrum because it interferes with their revenue generation. > > > > I mean, I am atill REALLY pissed about that. > > It isn't illegal to receive or detect radar. Nor is it illegal to own or > transport a non-operational and non accessible radar detector in VA. It's > illegal to operate a motor vehicle equipped with such a device - though is > a no-points offense, and further, is illegal to sell detectors. > > Also, the cops can take a detector, but, only for evidence and they have to > return it, when requested, when it is no longer needed. > > Arlington, btw, has taken to using LIDAR - saw a motorcycle officer at Rt. > 50 and Edison this morning, nailing people as they came down the hill > westbound, just before Carlin Springs. so, if I understand what you are saying correctly, it is illegal to recieve a certain portion of the public RF specturm while operating a motor vehicle. My car radio, which also recieves portions of the public RF spectrum, is not an issue. the -only- reason I can see for this to be the case is to prevent people from avoiding tickets. When law enforcement moves from "protect and serve" to "Curb and collect" it offends me. No, it disgusts me. I would like to see a policy where all the revenues collected from traffic violations are returned to the citizens who had no violations. there would be a financial motivation to comply with the law. LIDAR is very effective. they regularly run it on 28 south, about 1/2 mile from the bridge going over rt 50. the car is so far away, you can't really see him if you don't know to look. Most cops I've talked to -on a friendly basis- object to the term "speed trap", because it's not a "trap", it's a "stationary traffic monitoring". I follow up with "if it's not a trap, why do you set up in locations to remain unobserved? If the goal is compliance with the law, why not be out in the open? People drive within the law when there's a cop around." none have had a good, logical explanation for that. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 12:33:01 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:32:52 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Lister getting a ticket/tow on toll road yesterday? Yep, that's the same one I saw. Helmet on the handlebars, so I figured it was a voluntary get-off. Maybe someone caught doing a stand-up wheelie at 90+... (troll, troll, troll...) On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:16:51 -0400 (EDT), Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Robert wrote: > > > > I must have been by a just a bit earlier - I saw the bike, a red and black > yamaha (iirc), sitting with a state trooper behind it. Didn't see the > rider, but presumed he was in the car with the trooper. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 13:05:04 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:04:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Robert , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Lister getting a ticket/tow on toll road yesterday? -----Original Message----- From: Robert Yep, that's the same one I saw. Helmet on the handlebars, so I figured it was a voluntary get-off. Maybe someone caught doing a stand-up wheelie at 90+... (troll, troll, troll...) ---- Or lane-splitting, which can earn you a reckless driving performance award in Virginny. Or perhaps no MC endorsement on top of whatever triggered the traffic stop. They won't let you ride away if you get written up for that. ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 13:12:36 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:12:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Skip wrote: >> >> It isn't illegal to receive or detect radar. Nor is it illegal to own or >> transport a non-operational and non accessible radar detector in VA. It's >> illegal to operate a motor vehicle equipped with such a device - though is >> a no-points offense, and further, is illegal to sell detectors. ... > > so, if I understand what you are saying correctly, it is illegal to > recieve a certain portion of the public RF specturm while operating a > motor vehicle. > > My car radio, which also recieves portions of the public RF spectrum, is > not an issue. > > the -only- reason I can see for this to be the case is to prevent people > from avoiding tickets. Any way you look at it, I think it is a dumb law, and I wish it would go away. My only point is that my read of the wording of the statute shows the lawmakers aimed to make the "operating a motor vehicle while.." part illegal, not the "receiving the signal" part, probably specifically to avoid any arguements about public airwaves, etc. I've contemplated what it would take to get the law overturned, but don't have any good arguements to make. I'd be happy to write my representatives, get a pettition signed, whatever, if I did have something that would hold water. Any suggestions? > When law enforcement moves from "protect and serve" to "Curb and > collect" it offends me. No, it disgusts me. This has been noted in DC-Cycles and elsewhere, previously, as a lot of the difference between a police officer (to serve and protect) and a "law enforement officer" or "revenue generation and collections officer" > LIDAR is very effective. they regularly run it on 28 south, about 1/2 > mile from the bridge going over rt 50. the car is so far away, you > can't really see him if you don't know to look. My understanding is that they also pretty much have to sight exactly YOUR car, so it is hard to wiggle out saying they popped someone else. There's also lots less signal scattered, so it is harder to detect. > Most cops I've talked to -on a friendly basis- object to the term "speed > trap", because it's not a "trap", it's a "stationary traffic > monitoring". Ya... "entrapment" vs. "enforcement" in their eyes. "entrapment for revenue generation" to John Q. Public. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 13:56:30 2004 Subject: RE: Lister getting a ticket/tow on toll road yesterday? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:56:27 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Robert" , "DC-Cycles" > Or lane-splitting, which can earn you a reckless driving > performance award in Virginny. Or perhaps no MC endorsement > on top of whatever triggered the traffic stop. They won't > let you ride away if you get written up for that. They'll also tow you for not having a county sticker... Found that out the hard way when I first moved up here. Unlike most states however, VA pays the towing fee... Go figure. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:03:39 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:03:28 EDT Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/26/2004 1:11:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > "Well, the name on this license isn't > 'Paul Revere', and the way you were rushing across the countryside flashing > your lights to warn everyone, I figured you just had to be Paul Revere..." Do these guys really think that being a smart ass is going to increase our respect for them? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:13:42 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: FOR SALE: 2001 Honda CBR929RR Erion Edition Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:05:28 -0400 http://www.mofomoto.com/929.htm Please forward if you know someone who may be interested. Thanks! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:26:43 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Lister getting a ticket/tow on toll road yesterday? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Funny you mention that. I got caught on a Honda CT-90 (bullet proof bike I might add) when I was about 16. After I got the "no class C" (what is was at the time) ticket. The friendly moto LEO asked me how I was going to get the bike home. I told him that I would push it home. After I got around the block I started it up and was on my way! Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > ---- > Or lane-splitting, which can earn you a reckless > driving performance award in Virginny. Or perhaps > no MC endorsement on top of whatever triggered the > traffic stop. They won't let you ride away if you > get written up for that. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:29:42 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:29:29 EDT Subject: Re: Travelling gear (was Good bags for a sport bike) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/26/2004 9:48:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > - for those of you with long trip experience, any must haves? Aspirin for butt ache. (Or whatever analgesic you normally use.) _Lots_ cheaper then a new saddle. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:35:32 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:35:19 EDT Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/26/2004 11:06:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > I had a thought about encouraging seep limit compliance without > signifcant cost... use empty police cruisers. I have lived in areas where they did that, with the addition of an Inflate-a-cop inside. Yes, a (hot) air filled cop. True. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:37:17 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:34:58 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/26/2004 1:11:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > "Well, the name on this license isn't > > 'Paul Revere', and the way you were rushing across the countryside flashing > > your lights to warn everyone, I figured you just had to be Paul Revere..." > > Do these guys really think that being a smart ass is going to increase our > respect for them? > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX I doubt it, but it's still funny as hell. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:44:18 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:44:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/26/2004 1:11:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > "Well, the name on this license isn't > 'Paul Revere', and the way you were rushing across the countryside flashing > your lights to warn everyone, I figured you just had to be Paul Revere..." Do these guys really think that being a smart ass is going to increase our respect for them? ---- Nor is the allusion to flashing messages with lights very apt. Paul Revere was the recipient of the "one if my land, two if by sea" lantern message from Old North Church, not the sender. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:48:08 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:47:55 EDT Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/26/2004 2:44:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > Paul Revere was the recipient Cop history 101. Wish I had caught that one. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 14:51:58 2004 Subject: Cycle- USA Silver Spring Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:51:31 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Anyone heard about an event there this Saturday which includes a free bike wash and a big sale? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:00:09 2004 From: To: dccycles Subject: Re: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:59:39 -0400 what a coincidence...my brother inlaw is riding down from Columbus tomorrow for the HOG rally in Richmond with me. -aki > > From: joey harding > Date: 2004/08/26 Thu AM 11:47:06 EDT > To: dccycles > Subject: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... > > Leaving in the a.m. Hopefully the weather will > cooperate for a nice ride this weekend. > > Heading out 50 thru WV to Athens, OH then up towards > Columbus. > > Y'all enjoy your weekend...get out and ride...sposed > to be nice. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:20:15 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FOR SALE: 2001 Honda CBR929RR Erion Edition Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:19:38 -0400 That is one very clean and sweet looking ride. Cedric Bernescut Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs Subject: FOR SALE: 2001 Honda CBR929RR Erion Edition http://www.mofomoto.com/929.htm Please forward if you know someone who may be interested. Thanks! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:22:17 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... To: dccycles keep an eye out for him, joey. he'll be the guy who refuses to wave to you. --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > what a coincidence...my brother inlaw is riding down from > Columbus tomorrow for the HOG rally in Richmond with me. > > -aki > > > > > From: joey harding > > Date: 2004/08/26 Thu AM 11:47:06 EDT > > To: dccycles > > Subject: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... > > > > Leaving in the a.m. Hopefully the weather will > > cooperate for a nice ride this weekend. > > > > Heading out 50 thru WV to Athens, OH then up towards > > Columbus. > > > > Y'all enjoy your weekend...get out and ride...sposed > > to be nice. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:22:38 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:23:41 -0400 Funny you mention that. The New York State Police used to do that exact thing. Except they would use Dummies in Police uniforms (no pun intended). Park a car in U turn area on the expressway and have a dummy in the driver seat. Sometimes you would see one with a real cop parked next to it, I wonder what they talked about.... Rob On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:04:17 -0400, Skip wrote > I had a thought about encouraging seep limit compliance without > signifcant cost... use empty police cruisers. scatter them about > in VISIBLE locations. people will slow down because they don't know > which one has a cop in it running radar. > > cost? minimal comapred to the cost of a cop. > > in another note, I am still pissed as hell that the state government > has decided that it is illegal for me to recieve a certain frequency > of the PUBLIC RF spectrum because it interferes with their revenue generation. > > I mean, I am atill REALLY pissed about that. > > --skip -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:23:48 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:23:46 -0400 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle- USA Silver Spring X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server The only thing they ever had in stock when I went there was an after-market headlight that was four times the price of the stocker. I once stopped in to see if they had a Honda CR-450X and was told "Only in crates, we sold two off the floor just last Wednesday." After that the same 'salesman' said that NOVICE SO couldn't touch the floor sitting on a XR250 and he said that wasn't that important as you spend most of your time riding with your feet up. I nodded and thought to myself sure .. except when you lose your balance and fall over and the bike lands on your leg. Whatever! They remain "Cycles Useless" in my book. Stephen Quoting Julian Halton : > > Anyone heard about an event there this Saturday which includes a free > bike wash and a big sale? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:24:43 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:24:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: Skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Skip wrote: > so, if I understand what you are saying correctly, it is illegal to > recieve a certain portion of the public RF specturm while operating a > motor vehicle. > > My car radio, which also recieves portions of the public RF spectrum, is > not an issue. > > the -only- reason I can see for this to be the case is to prevent people > from avoiding tickets. There are other portions of the RF spectrum which are somewhat controlled. Two off the top of my head: 1) in many states, it is illegal to listen to a scanner while operating a motor vehicle, and 2) there are Federal restrictions on the sale and use of receiving equipment capable of receiving the 850MHz cellular bands. -- Larry _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:28:37 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > I had a thought about encouraging seep limit compliance without > > signifcant cost... use empty police cruisers. > > I have lived in areas where they did that, with the addition of an > Inflate-a-cop inside. Some western US states have also accompished the same thing with plywood silhouettes painted as police cars. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:31:15 2004 From: To: dccycles Subject: Re: Re: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:30:49 -0400 bah..in true Harley tradition he's trailering his bike down. pffffttt! > > From: Tom Gimer > Date: 2004/08/26 Thu PM 03:22:09 EDT > To: dccycles > Subject: Re: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... > > keep an eye out for him, joey. he'll be the guy who > refuses to wave to you. > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > what a coincidence...my brother inlaw is riding down from > > Columbus tomorrow for the HOG rally in Richmond with me. > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > From: joey harding > > > Date: 2004/08/26 Thu AM 11:47:06 EDT > > > To: dccycles > > > Subject: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... > > > > > > Leaving in the a.m. Hopefully the weather will > > > cooperate for a nice ride this weekend. > > > > > > Heading out 50 thru WV to Athens, OH then up towards > > > Columbus. > > > > > > Y'all enjoy your weekend...get out and ride...sposed > > > to be nice. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 15:43:28 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:43:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Lo moto] Scant traffic enforcement in DC? The following letter to the editor appears in this morning's Post, from AAA's spokesflack Lon Anderson. Read. Discuss. BTW, the "other paper" here in town today reports that the MPD has written up 283 citations for distracted driving, 252 of which were for illegal cell phone use, since the first of the month. http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20040826-120219-6677r.htm ----- Traffic Alert in D.C. Thursday, August 26, 2004; Page A22 "America's roads and highways are safer than ever," Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta proclaimed in releasing his department's annual compilation of highway deaths and injuries that showed that fatalities had declined nationwide last year [news story, Aug. 11]. Unfortunately, the local picture is different: The District led the nation with a whopping 43 percent increase in highway deaths, jumping from 47 to 67 fatalities. Virginia's highway deaths also rose, by 3.2 percent, with 943 lives lost, 29 more than in 2002. Only Maryland had a reduction, of 1.8 percent, with "only" 649 people killed on the state's roads, 12 fewer than in 2002. _____Letters to the Editor_____ )B• A U.S. 'Exit Strategy' for Europe (Post, Aug. 26, 2004) )B• Honor in Protesting the Vietnam War (Post, Aug. 26, 2004) )B• Don't Import Prescription Drugs (Post, Aug. 26, 2004) )B• Traffic Alert in D.C. (Post, Aug. 26, 2004) )B• More Letters _____What's Your Opinion?_____ )B• Share Your Views About Editorials and Opinion Pieces on Our Message Boards )B• About Message Boards _____Free E-mail Newsletters_____ )B• News Headlines )B• News Alert D.C. statistics should trigger some introspection about enforcement of red-light-running and speeding laws, which increasingly is being relegated to automated cameras. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey has touted the success of this approach -- the largest and most aggressive in the nation -- and has assured us it is working and saving lives. That may be true if "working" means raising revenue. Perhaps more troubling, though, is that Chief Ramsey recently said that traffic enforcement was not a core activity of his department. Of course, fighting crime and providing homeland security are critical, but traffic enforcement can't be relegated to being an extracurricular activity. The District has flunked the most basic test in highway safety, and it needs to return to the drawing board. The police must make highway safety a core function again by making police officers, not automated cameras, responsible for saving lives on city streets. LON ANDERSON Director Public and Government Relations AAA Mid-Atlantic Washington Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 16:35:11 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dccycles Well I'll wave at him if I see him. =) --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > what a coincidence...my brother inlaw is riding down > from > Columbus tomorrow for the HOG rally in Richmond with > me. > > -aki > > > > > From: joey harding > > Date: 2004/08/26 Thu AM 11:47:06 EDT > > To: dccycles > > Subject: Riding from VA to OH this weekend... > > > > Leaving in the a.m. Hopefully the weather will > > cooperate for a nice ride this weekend. > > > > Heading out 50 thru WV to Athens, OH then up > towards > > Columbus. > > > > Y'all enjoy your weekend...get out and > ride...sposed > > to be nice. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 16:49:48 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:49:38 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: OT - Gmail I have 5 more gmail invites if anyone wants an account. I'm not going to claim that list traffic has increased *that* much since a certain lister has joined , but Gmail gives you 1 gig of storage, as well as great search capability and a cool (but sometimes two-minded) threading function. Perfect for storing list traffic re:repair shops, route numbers, and the occasional flame-fest. Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 16:57:39 2004 From: Laurie Holland To: DC Cycles Subject: [OT] Making Strides Against Breast Cancer Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:57:14 -0400 Hey listers, I know I rarely post (I used to a long time ago, now I just mostly lurk), but I wanted to send this email as it's something very important to me! My aunt was diagnosed with breast cancer last year. I pray that it never touches you nor your family. Because breast cancer has affected someone I care about, I am determined to do all I can to eradicate the disease. That's why I support the American Cancer Society's Making Strides Against Breast Cancer)B. The money we raise funds the Society's research, education, advocacy, and patient services programs. I'm proud to support these efforts by walking in Making Strides Against Breast Cancer. You can support them too by making a donation today. It's easy; simply log on to my personal Web page and pledge as much as you can. Also, if you know of any other friends or family members who would like to contribute to this life-saving cause, please feel free to forward them my web page and encourage them to forward it on to others as well. Together, we will make a lifesaving difference in the lives of women everywhere! Thank you in advance for your generous contribution. May God bless you and your family always. To review the Privacy Policy of the American Cancer Society please visit: http://www.cancer.org/docroot/su/su_0.asp **************************************************************************** ** Please visit my personal web page and help me in my efforts to support MSABC - Washington DC http://www.acsevents.org/faf/r.asp?t=4&i=58326&u=58326-55326663&e=120231685 **************************************************************************** ** Thanks! Laurie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 17:08:20 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:05:59 -0400 From: Skip To: Laurie Holland CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [OT] Making Strides Against Breast Cancer My determining question as to whether or not I support a particular cause is: "What percentage of the donations goes to administration?" do you, by chance, have the answer? i had one company tell me that 85% of the donations went to administration. I clarified by asking if that meant that 15% went to the actual cause, and she replied to the affirmative. i chose not to donate to that cause. Laurie Holland wrote: > > Hey listers, I know I rarely post (I used to a long time ago, now I just > mostly lurk), but I wanted to send this email as it's something very > important to me! > > My aunt was diagnosed with breast cancer last year. I pray that it never > touches you nor your family. Because breast cancer has affected someone I > care about, I am determined to do all I can to eradicate the disease. That's > why I support the American Cancer Society's Making Strides Against Breast > Cancer)B. The money we raise funds the Society's research, education, > advocacy, and patient services programs. I'm proud to support these efforts > by walking in Making Strides Against Breast Cancer. > > You can support them too by making a donation today. It's easy; simply log > on to my personal Web page and pledge as much as you can. Also, if you know > of any other friends or family members who would like to contribute to this > life-saving cause, please feel free to forward them my web page and > encourage them to forward it on to others as well. Together, we will make a > lifesaving difference in the lives of women everywhere! > > Thank you in advance for your generous contribution. > > May God bless you and your family always. > > To review the Privacy Policy of the American Cancer Society please visit: > http://www.cancer.org/docroot/su/su_0.asp > > **************************************************************************** > ** > Please visit my personal web page and help me in my efforts to support MSABC > - Washington DC > http://www.acsevents.org/faf/r.asp?t=4&i=58326&u=58326-55326663&e=120231685 > **************************************************************************** > ** > > Thanks! > Laurie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 17:34:22 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > I had a thought about encouraging seep limit compliance without > > signifcant cost... use empty police cruisers. > > I have lived in areas where they did that, with the addition of an > Inflate-a-cop inside. > Yes, a (hot) air filled cop. > True. The route I take to my house in NC takes me along route 168 out of VA and into NC. Just before the VA/NC border on 168 (maybe 5-6 miles?) I have seen a very elaborate speed trap to get vacationers... At the base of a hill there is a C1500 GMC pickup with a lady in the passenger seat. The truck appears to be broken down on the side of the road. It's an older truck, maybe early/mid 90s vintage. This nice lady is measuring your speed and radioing just over the hill to a squadron of cruisers. No joke, there was at least 10 police cars stopping people just over the hill. I had my V1 in the truck, hidden from view, but it sniffed out the trap and I set the cruise at a GPS verified :-) 56mph. The 3 series Bimmer passing me at 3-4mph over my speed was stopped as we crested the hill. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 17:46:53 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:46:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen The route I take to my house in NC takes me along route 168 out of VA and into NC. Just before the VA/NC border on 168 (maybe 5-6 miles?) I have seen a very elaborate speed trap to get vacationers... At the base of a hill there is a C1500 GMC pickup with a lady in the passenger seat. .... -------- I've seen a gaggle of cop cars on the Dulles Toll Road link to 66; they're looking for County tax sticker evaders and HOV cheaters, or so I'm told. From the police presence, you'd think Public Enemy #1 himself was headed their way. On the moto, with DC plates, no worries on either score. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 19:04:01 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I had a thought about encouraging seep limit > compliance without > > > signifcant cost... use empty police cruisers. > > This method is in use on 50 just west of Fair Oaks. I saw a cruiser parked in the median less than an hour ago. Nobody was in it...but traffic sure wasn't zipping along like it usually does. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 19:54:16 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Scant traffic enforcement in DC? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:54:13 -0400 Lets see that ~5 million people. 283 tickets. Thats a .005% chances of getting a ticket. Oh I am scared. I am glad they found a new way to tax people. Personally I would like to see them crack down on aggressive drivers. I was riding in HOV on I270 northboard where the spurs meet. Where the dual HOV meet. Well it's a common place for the single drivers to cut in and try to get ahead a few cars. So I see this car start to move over into my lane and I beep my horn. The driver of the car jerks back in his lanes and start going nuts. He was pounding the wheel and screaming at me like a mental patient. I don't think I have ever been more scared in my life (riding a motorcycle). So I tried to zip ahead as far as I could get in traffic and keep my distance. Luckily he didn't try to persure me or anything. Regards, Rob On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:43:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Paul Wilson wrote > The following letter to the editor appears in this morning's Post, > from AAA's spokesflack Lon Anderson. Read. Discuss. > > BTW, the "other paper" here in town today reports that the MPD has > written up 283 citations for distracted driving, 252 of which were > for illegal cell phone use, since the first of the month. > > http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20040826-120219-6677r.htm > > ----- > > Traffic Alert in D.C. > Thursday, August 26, 2004; Page A22 > > "America's roads and highways are safer than ever," Transportation > Secretary Norman Y. Mineta proclaimed in releasing his department's > annual compilation of highway deaths and injuries that showed that > fatalities had declined nationwide last year [news story, Aug. 11]. > > Unfortunately, the local picture is different: The District led the > nation with a whopping 43 percent increase in highway deaths, > jumping from 47 to 67 fatalities. Virginia's highway deaths also > rose, by 3.2 percent, with 943 lives lost, 29 more than in 2002. > Only Maryland had a reduction, of 1.8 percent, with "only" 649 > people killed on the state's roads, 12 fewer than in 2002. > > _____Letters to the Editor_____ > > )B• A U.S. 'Exit Strategy' for Europe (Post, Aug. 26, 2004) > )B• Honor in Protesting the Vietnam War (Post, Aug. 26, 2004) > )B• Don't Import Prescription Drugs (Post, Aug. 26, 2004) > )B• Traffic Alert in D.C. (Post, Aug. 26, 2004) > )B• More Letters > > _____What's Your Opinion?_____ > > )B• Share Your Views About Editorials and Opinion Pieces on Our > Message Boards )B• About Message Boards > > _____Free E-mail Newsletters_____ > > )B• News Headlines > )B• News Alert > > D.C. statistics should trigger some introspection about enforcement > of red-light-running and speeding laws, which increasingly is being > relegated to automated cameras. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey has > touted the success of this approach -- the largest and most > aggressive in the nation -- and has assured us it is working and > saving lives. That may be true if "working" means raising revenue. > > Perhaps more troubling, though, is that Chief Ramsey recently said > that traffic enforcement was not a core activity of his department. > Of course, fighting crime and providing homeland security are > critical, but traffic enforcement can't be relegated to being an > extracurricular activity. > > The District has flunked the most basic test in highway safety, and > it needs to return to the drawing board. The police must make > highway safety a core function again by making police officers, not > automated cameras, responsible for saving lives on city streets. > > LON ANDERSON > > Director > > Public and Government Relations > > AAA Mid-Atlantic > > Washington > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 20:11:34 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:11:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jkop@XXXXXX Reply-To: jkop@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Choppers Anyone on the list own or have any experience with choppers, e.g., BMC or Iron Horse bikes? How they ride, etc? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 20:24:41 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Sharp" , Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Scant traffic enforcement in DC? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:24:35 -0400 Uhh, MPD, Metropolitan Police Dept., as in DC only. 283 tickets is, gosh, more than ten a day. That's pretty aggressive enforcement....for them. :) I just found it a little odd that in one paper the AAA is on the MPD's case for lax enforcement, while in the other paper, it's revealed that the MPD is writing an average of more than ten tickets a day for "distracted driving," in a territory of 72 square miles. And that doesn't include the areas patrolled by the Park Police. I, for one, am glad that it's a tentative step towards enforcing something besides speeding. We've all complained about cell-phoning numbnutses and the hazards they present. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Sharp" > Lets see that ~5 million people. 283 tickets. Thats a .005% chances of > getting a ticket. Oh I am scared. I am glad they found a new way to tax > people. Personally I would like to see them crack down on aggressive drivers. > .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 20:53:11 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Scant traffic enforcement in DC? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX now if they'll do something about the dorques who insist on making illegal left turns onto 14th St. from Constitution Ave...... --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Uhh, MPD, Metropolitan Police Dept., as in DC only. > 283 tickets is, gosh, > more than ten a day. That's pretty aggressive > enforcement....for them. :) > > I just found it a little odd that in one paper the > AAA is on the MPD's case > for lax enforcement, while in the other paper, it's > revealed that the MPD is > writing an average of more than ten tickets a day > for "distracted driving," > in a territory of 72 square miles. And that doesn't > include the areas > patrolled by the Park Police. > > I, for one, am glad that it's a tentative step > towards enforcing something > besides speeding. We've all complained about > cell-phoning numbnutses and > the hazards they present. > > Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Sharp" > > > > Lets see that ~5 million people. 283 tickets. > Thats a .005% chances of > > getting a ticket. Oh I am scared. I am glad they > found a new way to tax > > people. Personally I would like to see them crack > down on aggressive > drivers. > > > .... > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 26 21:03:49 2004 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:03:18 -0400 From: "Gwen Dade" Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: "Paul Wilson" cc: "Wayne Edelen" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-AOL-IP: 68.98.185.162 They have a green Ford Expedition trolling for speeders in Herndon in the Dranesville Road corridor now. Very unassuming until it lights up like a Christmas Tree. Where didn't they put the blue and red lights - lmao! Paul Wilson wrote on 8/26/2004, 5:46 PM: > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen > > > The route I take to my house in NC takes me along route 168 out of VA and > into NC. Just before the VA/NC border on 168 (maybe 5-6 miles?) I have > seen a very elaborate speed trap to get vacationers... > > At the base of a hill there is a C1500 GMC pickup with a lady in the > passenger seat. .... > > -------- > > I've seen a gaggle of cop cars on the Dulles Toll Road link to 66; > they're looking for County tax sticker evaders and HOV cheaters, or so > I'm told. From the police presence, you'd think Public Enemy #1 > himself was headed their way. On the moto, with DC plates, no worries > on either score. :) > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 00:17:03 2004 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:16:53 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) At 10:10 AM 8/26/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Paul Axed: > >>Okey-dokey, but how'm I supposed to flash my lights, as >supposed to my high-beams? > >[Dave] The violation for high beams is putting the high >beams on approaching traffic and leaving them on, not >flashing them. I haven't read the official state lawbooks, but the way it's phrased in the little books they give you in driver training was "high beams on within 500' of approaching traffic" (It's been several decades, so don't hold me to the 500' figure...it may have been more...I just keep the lows on if I can see approaching headlights and don't have to worry about it ;-). There was a different distance limit for following traffic with HB on. Didn't mention how long they were on, just that they were on at all, so your "flashing" loophole probably wouldn't fly in court. As to the original question, in a car you can go between off and low. On a moto you don't have that option on modern bikes (though old bikes didn't have the "always on" headlamps we have now). BTW, in the days before CBs, there was a whole bunch of light signals used by truckers, and knowlegeable other drivers, to help each other out. For instance, if a truck was signalling a lane change ahead of you or had just passed you, and you wanted to let him know he was clear (i.e. there was room to come over and you weren't going to use it up) you'd flash your parking lights 3-4 times. He'd generally flash his in a "thank you!" after his lane change. I've used that one in recent years, so the truckers still know them. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 00:17:04 2004 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:01:01 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More great press (sarcasm) At 02:44 PM 8/26/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Nor is the allusion to flashing messages with lights very apt. Paul Revere was the recipient of the "one if my land, two if by sea" lantern message from Old North Church, not the sender. He was also arrested before he could make his "famous ride". William Dawes was the one who actually did the ride...but I guess his name didn't scan right for the poem. ;-) On the other hand, the idea of rushing around "spreading the word" that the authorities are near is an apt one. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 00:41:32 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:41:23 EDT Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Hi-beams, was RE: More great press (sarcasm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/26/2004 3:22:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > Sometimes you would see one with a real cop parked next to it, I wonder > what they talked about.... One: Man I could use some donuts. Do you want any? Two: ... One: Mind if I go get some? Two: ... One: Any time in particular you want me back? Two: ... One: Catch you later! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 00:54:07 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:53:55 EDT Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Scant traffic enforcement in DC? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/26/2004 7:54:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > So I tried to zip ahead as far as I could get in traffic and > keep my distance. OOOOHHHH You zipped? Aggressive rider!!! Where is a cop when you need one. There is no definition of aggressive driving. Therefore it is a bullshit excuse for stopping anyone you want to stop. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 02:20:49 2004 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:20:30 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Scant traffic enforcement in DC? At 12:53 AM 8/27/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >There is no definition of aggressive driving. Therefore it is a bullshit >excuse for stopping anyone you want to stop. Yes and no. I doubt there's a legal definition of aggressive driving...you'd get charged with things like "following too close", "unsafe lane change", "speeding", "failure to signal a lane change", or even "reckless driving". If you aren't doing something chargeable...more likely several things simultaneously or in close succession...you won't get stopped and have it called "aggressive driving"...and they can't reasonably stop "just anyone" with that excuse. Not unless *everyone* is driving like crazed idiots. I know sometimes it seems like they are, but those folks really are in a small minority...they are just a lot more noticeable than the majority that are driving fairly reasonably most of the time. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 09:15:30 2004 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:16:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Scant traffic enforcement in DC? > So I see this car start to move over into my lane >and I beep my horn. The driver of the car jerks back in his lanes and start >going nuts. He was pounding the wheel and screaming at me like a mental >patient. I don't think I have ever been more scared in my life (riding a >motorcycle). So I tried to zip ahead as far as I could get in traffic and >keep my distance. Luckily he didn't try to persure me or anything. > >Regards, > >Rob You had a driver *stop after hearing a horn*?! Sheesh, that dude is already a saint in my eyes. I don't think I've ever seen someone stop merging into me after honking at them (while in a car or on a cycle.) they just keep sliding right over as I dodge. What type of horn do you have? I want one. [Seriously - I want a new horn. I need one with more respect.] Erick - 74' CB-750 [original horn] [Sorry you had a raving lunatic to drive near] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 09:39:40 2004 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:39:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Blumgart Subject: Crazy guys to the front (was: Scant traffic..) > So I see this car start to move over into my lane >and I beep my horn. The driver of the car jerks back in his lanes and start >going nuts. He was pounding the wheel and screaming at me like a mental >patient...So I tried to zip ahead as far as I could get in traffic and >keep my distance. Luckily he didn't try to persure me or anything. Nut case? Driving 3000 lb plus vehicle? Pissed at me on a bike? Glad it worked out for you, but you did have good luck. Personally I would have cut my speed and dropped *back* so I could keep an eye on & kept the **** away from that nut job. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 13:00:36 2004 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Dummies in Police Uniforms (tactic) To: DC Cycles If memory serves me..there was an incident in DC or MD a year or two ago where the cops utilized the same tactic......and someone stole the dummy out of the cruiser. It was the humorous "sign-off" for several local tv news programs. -Corbett --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Funny you mention that. The New York State Police > used to do that exact > thing. Except they would use Dummies in Police > uniforms (no pun intended). > Park a car in U turn area on the expressway and have > a dummy in the driver > seat. Sometimes you would see one with a real cop > parked next to it, I wonder > what they talked about.... > > Rob > > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 13:13:45 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Lo moto] Scant traffic enforcement in DC? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:13:43 -0400 > You had a driver *stop after hearing a horn*?! Sheesh, that dude is > already a saint in my eyes. I don't think I've ever seen someone > stop merging into me after honking at them (while in a car or on a > cycle.) they just keep sliding right over as I dodge. What type of > horn do you have? I want one. [Seriously - I want a new horn. I > need one with more respect.] > > Erick - 74' CB-750 [original horn] > > [Sorry you had a raving lunatic to drive near] I have a 150 dB air horn commonly used on Supertankers. If you don't get outta my way your windows instantly shatter. Seriously it's stock VFR horn. Yeah I guess I should be happy the other driver stayed in his lane. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 17:09:27 2004 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: MD MSF Info? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys n Gals, Where in Montgomery Cty does one need to register for an MSF course (I'm asking for someone else). Tx, John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 17:34:01 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: mr_vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MD MSF Info? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:22:50 -0400 John, I believe the closest is the Frederick MVA. They teach the class on site there. Rob '98 VFR800 From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MD MSF Info? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Hey DC Guys n Gals, Where in Montgomery Cty does one need to register for an MSF course (I'm asking for someone else). Tx, John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 17:42:58 2004 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a (roughly) five year old Dowco cover for sale for $10. I think I used it for like a year and then bought another cover. This one is a thick gray cloth. It will fit any sport bike (even with saddlebags). I used it outdoors, but I think this cover was originally made to be used as an indoor cover. It has some stains on it, but the fabric is in excellent condition. No rips or tears. It will also come with a nylon bag for storing the cover. I can send photos upon request. I also have some stuff (a muffler, rear cowling, and service manual) specific for the 1999 Triumph Daytona 955i if anyone on this list owns one and is interested. You can email me at pkarandi@XXXXXX. Thanks, Paresh 2001 Kawasaki ZX-9R _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 27 18:49:51 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Choppers Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:50:00 -0400 I used to have a '34 Harley with a springer front end and a rigid rear when I was young and foolish (no longer young). It rode about how you would expect a vehicle whose main suspension component was the air in its tires to ride. But it did beat walking. Michael J. > -----Original Message----- > From: jkop@XXXXXX [mailto:jkop@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 20:12 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Choppers > > Anyone on the list own or have any experience with choppers, > e.g., BMC or Iron Horse bikes? How they ride, etc? Thanks. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 28 02:30:35 2004 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:29:50 -0400 To: "Rob Keiser" , mr_vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: MD MSF Info? At 05:22 PM 8/27/04 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: >John, > >I believe the closest is the Frederick MVA. They teach the class on site >there. Montgomery County runs it through Montgomery Community College I think. BRC is hard to get into though...last fall signups were on the 5th of August...be there *early* (5am is not too early I hear). That was for *all* fall classes. I was sick that day, so no BRC for me...but I took the ERC this spring with the local HOG chapter (up in Frederick). If you go to the MSF web page they have pointers to places to contact by state to take classes. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 28 09:09:30 2004 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:09:27 -0400 From: Sunil Doshi Reply-To: Sunil Doshi To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kozyn wrote: > Hey DC Guys n Gals, > > Where in Montgomery Cty does one need to register for an MSF course > (I'm asking for someone else). There are always Norther Virginia Community College's classes. They fill up quickly also, but there seem to plenty of them. I have to imagine out-of-staters can sign up. One way or another, I thinking it would be difficult (if not impossible) to get in for this year. -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 28 09:52:14 2004 Subject: RE: MD MSF Info? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:51:47 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Anyone riding today? -----Original Message----- From: Sunil Doshi [mailto:sunil.doshi@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:09 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kozyn wrote: > Hey DC Guys n Gals, > > Where in Montgomery Cty does one need to register for an MSF course > (I'm asking for someone else). There are always Norther Virginia Community College's classes. They fill up quickly also, but there seem to plenty of them. I have to imagine out-of-staters can sign up. One way or another, I thinking it would be difficult (if not impossible) to get in for this year. -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 28 21:48:24 2004 Reply-To: "Louis Caplan" From: "Louis Caplan" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: [OT] Making Strides Against Breast Cancer Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:50:06 -0400 I'm not trying to kidnap the Breast Cancer thread, but since Skip brought up the subject, I found out last Wednesday that the "Ride for Kids" admin costs are down to 10 cents on the dollar, 90% goes to Pediatric Brain Tumor research, or scholarships for survivers of Brain Tumors (since the families' bank accounts can be drained after saving their child). Louis -------Original Message------- > From: Skip > Subject: Re: [OT] Making Strides Against Breast Cancer > Sent: Aug 26 2004 17:05:59 > > My determining question as to whether or not I support a particular > cause is: > > "What percentage of the donations goes to administration?" > > do you, by chance, have the answer? > > i had one company tell me that 85% of the donations went to > administration.)BI clarified by asking if that meant that 15% went to > the actual cause, and she replied to the affirmative. > > i chose not to donate to that cause. - - - - - - - - - - - - "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 28 22:36:34 2004 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:36:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fitted ear plugs On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Ditto on that one. I for one cannot stand to have anything _in_ my ear canal, > after a couple of hours it becomes very painful. The Silicone ones do not > enter the canal itself so I find them far more comfortable. I don't like things in my ear that aren't the right size. One of the listers here recommended a set of plugs from labsafety.com. http://www.labsafety.com/store/product_group.asp?dept_id=12620&cat_prefix=4WA Box of 200 pair (!) individually wrapped, for $30. Even if you split it w/ someone for $15/each, 100 pairs will last many years. I like 'em because they have two sizes on the same plug. -dave '96 Vulcan 1500 Classic w/ fish-tailed straight pipes. -- cerberus@XXXXXX "The only contributions France has given to popular culture in the last 50 years is Gerard Depardieu and that horny skunk." --SNL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 29 09:19:52 2004 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Noe Subject: 1986 Yamaha SRX600S F.S. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: self This bike is for sale. Asking $2000. Email me direct stevebmwcca@XXXXXX for more info. Located Rockville, MD Photo album at : http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=A116D13A7F2&cb=PA Thanks and have a great Labor Day weekend. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 10:24:45 2004 Subject: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:24:38 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" My little bike is having it's 12000 mile service done. I rode all weekend- deep into Bartman territory. I explored the Catoctins and bought my first area map. A few twisty's, nothing outrageous. Saw a Harley MC0036 ..wonder if he was a lister. The 270 is something else, the speed of traffic and the visual speed reminders are at a differential. Saw a mixed bag motley crew of cycles heading south bound ...four of which were doing super-wheelies at speed. Lots of riding in, my back ached Saturday so no more back workouts before a long ride. Baltimore had little going on, Annapolis was chopper heaven. For those interested, this months edition of Bike magazine...$8.99 at Barnes and Noble has a decent article\interview with Valentino Rossi about things riders can do to ride better...and a 600cc sport bike comparison that is a lot more detailed than the ones I have read in rags state-side. The Suzuki and Kawi 6's get props- the R6 is rated at the bottom of the pack. I am on the 495 heading South from the Catoctins and I take the Clara Burton exit..There is a long quiet stretch before you hit Canal Road. I am riding at a decent clip and I happen to see a light gaining on me rapidly. My first thought was OH..NO! This rider passes me at posted limit X 2.5 and then takes a corner ultra fast zips in between cars and gets off on McArthur. He was on a Tuono. Lastly, for those that ride in or about NW DC...coming home from bartending at 3:30 in the morning, I am riding down Nebraska Avenue.....Scanning, searching for any threats....I see a delivery truck parked on the right and accelerate. Flash!! My rear view explodes into light as the automated revenue generator vehicle dings me. The little effer had backed in tight to the truck and there was no way he could be seen. I wonder if the truck is part of the collection process. I did a U and checked the dude out. Be warned all. Question...In MD I see some bikers attaching their plates lengthwise and curving. Is this legal in MD, is it legal anywhere else? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 10:26:25 2004 X-Spam-Check-By: yes.devclue.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: FS: Two GS500e project bikes. X-Virus-Checked: Checked I have two Suzuki GS500e bikes I need to offload: one is a 1991 and the other is a 1992. Both are currently not functioning, but a working bike could quite easily be produced from the two chassis. I simply don't have time, as my move to England is rapidly coming up. I'm asking $1200 or best offer for the both of them, and you'd have to come pick 'em up. Contact me off-list if you want more information. Thanks! Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 10:56:49 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:56:45 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Garage Weekend I spent the three day weekend getting a new garage door and putting a grey epoxy on the garage floor, creating a moto-haven for my slipshod maintenance attempts. Next week, spot beams will make their way on to the ceiling and my drywall work will be done; the monster finally alive. So...my VFR is parked in the shed and I'm in the truck all week. Maybe I'll get to ride NEXT weekend. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 (40k 8-04) AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 11:18:10 2004 Subject: RE: Garage Weekend Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:18:09 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Troutman" , "dc Cycles" > I spent the three day weekend getting a new garage door and > putting a grey epoxy on the garage floor, creating a > moto-haven for my slipshod maintenance attempts. Next week, > spot beams will make their way on to the ceiling and my > drywall work will be done; the monster finally alive. Sweet. Something I've been wanting to do to mine, but I have too much cr@p in the garage. Need to find a new home for it all first... May be doing the e-bay thing quite a bit over the next month or so. Let us know how it turns out when done. A pic or two would be nice as well... It might spur me into action. :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 11:19:57 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:19:35 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up At 10:24 AM 8/30/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >rapidly. My first thought was OH..NO! This rider passes me at posted >limit X 2.5 and then takes a corner ultra fast zips in between cars and >gets off on McArthur. He was on a Tuono. Saw several morons on sport bike unicycles this weekend. One of the guys I was riding with last night mentioned that he'd seen one lose it while stunting on the public roadways...and that there was zero sympathy available for such idiots. I agree with him. >Question...In MD I see some bikers attaching their plates lengthwise and >curving. Is this legal in MD, is it legal anywhere else? Choppers do this a lot. There are plate frames sold that attach to the side, sometimes from the brake caliper bracket, and these are sometimes flat, sometimes curved. So long as you can read the plate from the rear, I believe they are legal. Haven't heard of anyone being stopped for it anyway. Deer alert: They aren't just for backroads anymore! I had one run across the road in front of me Saturday evening. This was about 8pm, on Democracy Blvd., and not in the western parts where it's woodsy...this was right next to the I-270 overpass, in front of Montgomery Mall (or whatever stupid name they are calling it this week). Deer ran the red light...and didn't even signal! ;-) Watch for them everywhere...gun control and PETA are going to get people killed... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 11:27:20 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:27:12 -0400 From: Skip To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Garage Weekend "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > > I spent the three day weekend getting a new garage door and > > putting a grey epoxy on the garage floor, creating a > > moto-haven for my slipshod maintenance attempts. Next week, > > spot beams will make their way on to the ceiling and my > > drywall work will be done; the monster finally alive. > > Sweet. Something I've been wanting to do to mine, but I have too much > cr@p in the garage. Need to find a new home for it all first... May be > doing the e-bay thing quite a bit over the next month or so. Let us > know how it turns out when done. A pic or two would be nice as well... > It might spur me into action. :) > > --smthng > check this guy out. if you use him, tell him Skip sent ya and he may give you a discount. http://auctionbees.com/ --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 11:30:28 2004 Subject: Tail bags or saddle bags? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:30:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: For a sport bike any preference as to what is better for the bike..in terms of scratch damage or balance? Would suspect a heavy tailbag would cost more balance...maybe mileage then some saddle bags. It has been suggested I take my bike cover on my trip...that is a whole bag in itself. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 11:51:20 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:51:03 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Tail bags or saddle bags? At 11:30 AM 8/30/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >cost more balance...maybe mileage then some saddle bags. It has been >suggested I take my bike cover on my trip...that is a whole bag in >itself. Any way you can use it as a luggage rain cover? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 11:53:24 2004 Subject: RE: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:53:19 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Motorcycle Guy" , This is heading East after turning onto Nebraska from the Dalecarlia parkway. Before the stop sign at Arizona. There is a delivery type truck. The little effer is touching bumpers to it...and once you go by at any speed past 30mph, they will light you up and bingo...more dollars to bureaucrat pocketbooks and fat cat corporate mofos at Lockheed Martin. I sound slightly bitter because I am...now if these dollars went to fixing up war zone craters like those on 14th...I would whine a little less. -----Original Message----- From: Motorcycle Guy [mailto:motorcycleguy1@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:49 AM To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up Where along Nebraska ave? I ride that road almost everyday and want to make sure I pay attention. Dave >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:24:38 -0400 > > >My little bike is having it's 12000 mile service done. I rode all >weekend- deep into Bartman territory. I explored the Catoctins and >bought my first area map. A few twisty's, nothing outrageous. Saw a >Harley MC0036 ..wonder if he was a lister. The 270 is something else, >the speed of traffic and the visual speed reminders are at a >differential. > >Saw a mixed bag motley crew of cycles heading south bound ...four of >which were doing super-wheelies at speed. Lots of riding in, my back >ached Saturday so no more back workouts before a long ride. Baltimore >had little going on, Annapolis was chopper heaven. > >For those interested, this months edition of Bike magazine...$8.99 at >Barnes and Noble has a decent article\interview with Valentino Rossi >about things riders can do to ride better...and a 600cc sport bike >comparison that is a lot more detailed than the ones I have read in >rags state-side. The Suzuki and Kawi 6's get props- the R6 is rated at >the bottom of the pack. > > >I am on the 495 heading South from the Catoctins and I take the Clara >Burton exit..There is a long quiet stretch before you hit Canal Road. >I am riding at a decent clip and I happen to see a light gaining on me >rapidly. My first thought was OH..NO! This rider passes me at posted >limit X 2.5 and then takes a corner ultra fast zips in between cars >and gets off on McArthur. He was on a Tuono. > >Lastly, for those that ride in or about NW DC...coming home from >bartending at 3:30 in the morning, I am riding down Nebraska >Avenue.....Scanning, searching for any threats....I see a delivery >truck parked on the right and accelerate. Flash!! My rear view >explodes into light as the automated revenue generator vehicle dings >me. The little effer had backed in tight to the truck and there was no >way he could be seen. I wonder if the truck is part of the collection >process. I did a U and checked the dude out. Be warned all. > >Question...In MD I see some bikers attaching their plates lengthwise >and curving. Is this legal in MD, is it legal anywhere else? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 12:00:10 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Tail bags or saddle bags? On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > For a sport bike any preference as to what is better for the bike..in > terms of scratch damage or balance? Would suspect a heavy tailbag would > cost more balance...maybe mileage then some saddle bags. It has been > suggested I take my bike cover on my trip...that is a whole bag in > itself. Why not both? :-) If I had to choose one over the other, I guess I'd choose a tailbag. Saddlebags may bring the weight lower, but they also make the bike a lot wider. Also, I think you risk more 'scratch damage' from saddlebags. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 12:00:48 2004 From: "Motorcycle Guy" To: julian@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:48:55 -0400 Where along Nebraska ave? I ride that road almost everyday and want to make sure I pay attention. Dave >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:24:38 -0400 > > >My little bike is having it's 12000 mile service done. I rode all >weekend- deep into Bartman territory. I explored the Catoctins and >bought my first area map. A few twisty's, nothing outrageous. Saw a >Harley MC0036 ..wonder if he was a lister. The 270 is something else, >the speed of traffic and the visual speed reminders are at a >differential. > >Saw a mixed bag motley crew of cycles heading south bound ...four of >which were doing super-wheelies at speed. Lots of riding in, my back >ached Saturday so no more back workouts before a long ride. Baltimore >had little going on, Annapolis was chopper heaven. > >For those interested, this months edition of Bike magazine...$8.99 at >Barnes and Noble has a decent article\interview with Valentino Rossi >about things riders can do to ride better...and a 600cc sport bike >comparison that is a lot more detailed than the ones I have read in rags >state-side. The Suzuki and Kawi 6's get props- the R6 is rated at the >bottom of the pack. > > >I am on the 495 heading South from the Catoctins and I take the Clara >Burton exit..There is a long quiet stretch before you hit Canal Road. I >am riding at a decent clip and I happen to see a light gaining on me >rapidly. My first thought was OH..NO! This rider passes me at posted >limit X 2.5 and then takes a corner ultra fast zips in between cars and >gets off on McArthur. He was on a Tuono. > >Lastly, for those that ride in or about NW DC...coming home from >bartending at 3:30 in the morning, I am riding down Nebraska >Avenue.....Scanning, searching for any threats....I see a delivery truck >parked on the right and accelerate. Flash!! My rear view explodes into >light as the automated revenue generator vehicle dings me. The little >effer had backed in tight to the truck and there was no way he could be >seen. I wonder if the truck is part of the collection process. I did a >U and checked the dude out. Be warned all. > >Question...In MD I see some bikers attaching their plates lengthwise and >curving. Is this legal in MD, is it legal anywhere else? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 12:06:32 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:06:13 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Julian warns of meeting officer Ben Dover... >once you go by at any speed past 30mph, they will light you >up and bingo...more dollars to bureaucrat pocketbooks and >fat cat corporate mofos at Lockheed >Martin. I sound slightly bitter because I am...now if these >dollars went to fixing up war zone craters ... [Dave] Apologies. Years ago... and more years ago... for however many times it came up, selfish, 'I know how to spend my money better' types like me wrote our Congressional reps. to tell Eleanor Norton, Marion Barry, Sharon Pratt (Kelley), Tony Williams etc. to take a flying leap when they wanted their commuter tax. To the best of my knowledge, none of them said 'take a flying leap' but they did say no. You have to give them points for creativity, they seem to have found a way to enact their somewhat voluntary commuter tax... Hopefully, there's a few eons of damnation reserved for all involved in this scam in the great beyond... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 12:17:02 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:16:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Motorcycle Guy , julian@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up -----Original Message----- From: Motorcycle Guy Sent: Aug 30, 2004 11:48 AM To: julian@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up Where along Nebraska ave? I ride that road almost everyday and want to make sure I pay attention. Dave >From: "Julian Halton" > >Lastly, for those that ride in or about NW DC...coming home from >bartending at 3:30 in the morning, I am riding down Nebraska >Avenue.....Scanning, searching for any threats....I see a delivery truck >parked on the right and accelerate. Flash!! My rear view explodes into >light as the automated revenue generator vehicle dings me. .... Official MPD speed cam enforcement zones here. They're detailed down to the block number range. http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/photo_radar_location/index.shtm BTW, Lockheed Martin is out of the speed and red-light cam biz and has been for more'n three years. http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/16_16/state/17404-1.html Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 12:19:05 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX DC has a structural deficit of $2B annually. Keep writing those tickets Marion! --- Dave Yates wrote: > Julian warns of meeting officer Ben Dover... > > >once you go by at any speed past 30mph, they will > light you > >up and bingo...more dollars to bureaucrat > pocketbooks and > >fat cat corporate mofos at Lockheed > >Martin. I sound slightly bitter because I am...now > if these > >dollars went to fixing up war zone craters ... > > [Dave] Apologies. Years ago... and more years > ago... for > however many times it came up, selfish, 'I know how > to spend > my money better' types like me wrote our > Congressional reps. > to tell Eleanor Norton, Marion Barry, Sharon Pratt > (Kelley), > Tony Williams etc. to take a flying leap when they > wanted > their commuter tax. To the best of my knowledge, > none of > them said 'take a flying leap' but they did say no. > > > You have to give them points for creativity, they > seem to > have found a way to enact their somewhat voluntary > commuter > tax... Hopefully, there's a few eons of damnation > reserved > for all involved in this scam in the great beyond... > > > Dave Yates > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 12:21:39 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:21:24 EDT Subject: Re: Musings from a moto weekend and a heads up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/30/2004 12:06:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > You have to give them points for creativity, they seem to > have found a way to enact their somewhat voluntary commuter > tax... Exactly! There has always been corruption in the form of speed traps, but it took the 55mph. speed limit combined with Reaganomics to create the massive "tax" problem we have today. The enforcers of the law should _never_ profit from that enforcement. The (realized) potential for abuse is just too great. > Hopefully, there's a few eons of damnation reserved > for all involved in this scam in the great beyond... I would be willing to shovel a little coal on that fire. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 13:23:09 2004 Subject: Sept 11 rides? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:23:08 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" Hey guys... been doing some searching, but haven't found anything. Are there any rides going on to commemorate 9/11 in the area? Me and a work buddy are looking for something respectable to do for 9/11 and aren't having much luck. Any ideas? --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 14:35:26 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:35:17 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Sept 11 rides? At 01:23 PM 8/30/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >Me and a work >buddy are looking for something respectable to do for 9/11 and aren't >having much luck. Any ideas? Well, you missed the 9/11 ride...it was a week or so ago: www.americas911ride.com Don't know of any other rides scheduled for it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 14:51:34 2004 Subject: Biking to the true North Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:51:27 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: At the end of the day, I am really, really excited. I am going to ride bikes with my brother before he gets married. It is as simple as that. I tormented him as a kid but he has asked me to be best man and it is my honor. I am going to be at Dewey beach for the weekend and then motor directly from there to Montreal. The route that Yahoo suggests is one I have driven many times....95 to NJ turnpike to I-87 North..the tolls!! The tolls! If anybody has any alternate route road recommendations, or great things to see along the way, please let me know. Thanks to all for the gear advice. A week and a day to go and I am already stoked!! PS...Here is a great quote from the Bike magazine... "For Rossi and his rapid bike colleagues leaning the bike over is an irritating by-product of going round a corner that momentarily prevents them from braking and accelerating as hard as they want to." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 17:05:43 2004 Subject: FZ1 board Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:05:36 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" Is anyone out there also a regular visitor to the Yamaha FZ1 Owners Association? (http://www.yamahafz1oa.com) If so, any idea what happened to it? I'm getting a server not found whenever I try to hit it. Sure hope my boss hasn't blocked it... :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 17:07:06 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: reckless in Prince William - lawyer needed Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:06:24 -0400 dewey, cheatum and Howe Danny Sorry I couldn't resist On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:32:56 -0400, Andrew Culpepper wrote: >Hi, > A friend of mine was ticketed for doing 81 in a 60 on 66 near >Manassas. Anyone have a suggestion for a good lawyer? >Thanks. > > >_|)B|_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_ >J. Andrew Culpepper ..... King George, VA ..... (540) 775-3984 >'03 SV1000 >'01 Jackal >'01 ZR-7S >'90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 17:11:21 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Biking to the true North To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX You can avoid most of the tolls by taking 695 to the west around Baltimore then following I-83 north to I-81, crossing into Canada north of Watertown, NY and following TC401 to Montreal. There is a $2.00 US or $3.00 CN toll at the border. This route is only 30 miles (50KM) longer than the route you proposed. It's still slab, but fewer cities and tolls. There's a lot more "north" on the other side of Montreal if you should decide to keep going. Leon. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > At the end of the day, I am really, really excited. > I am going to ride > bikes with my brother before he gets married. > It is as simple as that. I tormented him as a kid > but he has asked me to > be best man and it is my honor. > I am going to be at Dewey beach for the weekend and > then motor directly > from there to Montreal. > > The route that Yahoo suggests is one I have driven > many times....95 to > NJ turnpike to I-87 North..the tolls!! The tolls! > If anybody has any alternate route road > recommendations, or great things > to see along the way, please let me know. > Thanks to all for the gear advice. > > A week and a day to go and I am already stoked!! > > > PS...Here is a great quote from the Bike magazine... > "For Rossi and his rapid bike colleagues leaning the > bike over is an > irritating by-product of going round a corner that > momentarily prevents > them from braking and accelerating as hard as they > want to." > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 17:28:16 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:28:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Sunil Doshi , DC Cycles Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? There are reciprocity issues. Md. won't accept VA completion cards and vice-versa. As long as you don't need the course or licensure, it's not a problem. They're aren't many slots remaining open at NVCC. I just checked on-line and the earliest opening Loudoun has for the novice course is 19-21 Nov. Alexandria has no openings at all, apparently. There are plenty of openings in ERCs (Loudoun only) on 12 Sept and 3 Oct. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Sunil Doshi On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kozyn wrote: > Hey DC Guys n Gals, > > Where in Montgomery Cty does one need to register for an MSF course > (I'm asking for someone else). There are always Norther Virginia Community College's classes. They fill up quickly also, but there seem to plenty of them. I have to imagine out-of-staters can sign up. One way or another, I thinking it would be difficult (if not impossible) to get in for this year. -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 17:52:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:40:25 -0400 Dad is looking to take the class, recommended the ERC as a refresher vs the BRC which starts w/ the basics. He mentioned they require a certain # of miles ridden recently. I don't recall them checking that in any way when I took it. Do they? >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: Sunil Doshi , DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:28:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > >I just checked on-line and the earliest opening Loudoun has for the novice >course is 19-21 Nov. > >Alexandria has no openings at all, apparently. > >There are plenty of openings in ERCs (Loudoun only) on 12 Sept and 3 Oct. _________________________________________________________________ Don)Bt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 18:09:42 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? -----Original Message----- From: rich hall Dad is looking to take the class, recommended the ERC as a refresher vs the BRC which starts w/ the basics. He mentioned they require a certain # of miles ridden recently. I don't recall them checking that in any way when I took it. Do they? >From: Paul Wilson > >I just checked on-line and the earliest opening Loudoun has for the novice >course is 19-21 Nov. > >Alexandria has no openings at all, apparently. > >There are plenty of openings in ERCs (Loudoun only) on 12 Sept and 3 Oct. ---- No hard and fast rules about experience, but you need to have your endorsement to take the ERC, have a properly licensed and insured bike and pass technical inspection. How long has he been off the bike? I know nothing of his skills, obviously, and painting with a broad brush, but some of the "re-treads" who have not been riding for 10+ years really struggle in the BRC, while teenagers and twenty-somethings who have never thrown a leg over a seat before Saturday morning pick it up easily. We get consistently high marks from returning riders who say they've learned a lot, despite their prior riding experience. No offense to the more "mature" listers out there, but the ability to acquire and perfect physical skills fades with age. Personally, I'd recommend he take the BRC if he's not been riding for more than a couple of years. The ERC is essentially the second day of the BRC, with a few tweaks here and there. Just my two cents. Paul in DC Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 18:27:56 2004 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:25:31 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? At 05:40 PM 8/30/04 -0400, rich hall wrote: >Dad is looking to take the class, recommended the ERC as a refresher vs the >BRC which starts w/ the basics. He mentioned they require a certain # of >miles ridden recently. I don't recall them checking that in any way when I >took it. Do they? They didn't when I took it last spring. They recommended 3000 miles experience minimum, or about 6 months of riding, but they didn't check it, or ask for proof or even bring it up in class. I guess they figured that if you weren't experienced enough to handle the course, it would show up pretty quickly. ;-) Since you ride that course on your own bike, getting to the place on the bike is proof of at least a really basic riding ability...starting, shifting, balancing without falling over, stopping, and turning...or you wouldn't have the license. They started out with an exercise that involved slow turns, slow riding, stops and not running over cones in the process...probably to get an idea of people's ability level as well as to let folks warm up. It's an interesting and useful way to spend a day. Everyone should try it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 30 18:44:07 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:16:38 -0400 It's been about 25 yrs minus a ride from Philly. When I first suggested the ERC, he didn't think he'd need it. After the ride he was curious about the BRC. I lent him the manuals from both. Paul, still have that CD for you. I got notice that I passed CDs in 10 days, 5 more exams to go! >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: MD MSF Info? >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:09:34 -0700 (PDT) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rich hall > > >Dad is looking to take the class, recommended the ERC as a refresher vs the >BRC which starts w/ the basics. He mentioned they require a certain # of >miles ridden recently. I don't recall them checking that in any way when I >took it. Do they? > > >From: Paul Wilson > > > >I just checked on-line and the earliest opening Loudoun has for the >novice > >course is 19-21 Nov. > > > >Alexandria has no openings at all, apparently. > > > >There are plenty of openings in ERCs (Loudoun only) on 12 Sept and 3 Oct. > >---- > >No hard and fast rules about experience, but you need to have your >endorsement to take the ERC, have a properly licensed and insured bike and >pass technical inspection. > >How long has he been off the bike? I know nothing of his skills, >obviously, and painting with a broad brush, but some of the "re-treads" who >have not been riding for 10+ years really struggle in the BRC, while >teenagers and twenty-somethings who have never thrown a leg over a seat >before Saturday morning pick it up easily. We get consistently high marks >from returning riders who say they've learned a lot, despite their prior >riding experience. No offense to the more "mature" listers out there, but >the ability to acquire and perfect physical skills fades with age. > >Personally, I'd recommend he take the BRC if he's not been riding for more >than a couple of years. The ERC is essentially the second day of the BRC, >with a few tweaks here and there. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 31 09:31:18 2004 Subject: Mechanical Question Auto Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:31:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: So after dropping my bike off for service.....my car starts acting funny and I am having problems with high revs and no power after 60,000K. Limp to the dealer this morning and he tells me.....clutch is burnt and flywheel has blue spots on it....total cost $1240. This is a major downblow to me of epic proportions my question to the mechanically smart here...can I get a reality check..is this real or am I getting dealer scam? 2000 Toyota Celica GTS From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 31 10:13:43 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: Biking to the true North Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:13:20 -0400 For a bit more scenically casual approach - Dewey to Montreal - try the Lewes Ferry and on to the pleasant Garden State Pkwy. Re the Ferry: avoid windy/choppy weather; Google it for schedules (around hourly these days IIRC). Also: Caution wet decks, and probably want to park the bike in the center away from the possibly spraying gunwales; align it port/starboard; and center stand or otherwise prevent effects of ship rolling. Chat up the parking director for the right place. This all might sound tedious but the trip is delightful on a good day. Plenty of room to stretch out, have some fine ferry cuisine, sip on a favorite, pretend it's the Queen Mary II, and share the experience with fellow travellers. Also there are plenty of warm weather temptations off the GSP -- time allowed would be rewarded. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Boring. No view from the vehicle deck. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ********** From: "Julian Halton" To: At the end of the day, I am really, really excited. I am going to ride bikes with my brother before he gets married. It is as simple as that. I tormented him as a kid but he has asked me to be best man and it is my honor. I am going to be at Dewey beach for the weekend and then motor directly from there to Montreal. The route that Yahoo suggests is one I have driven many times....95 to NJ turnpike to I-87 North..the tolls!! The tolls! If anybody has any alternate route road recommendations, or great things to see along the way, please let me know. Thanks to all for the gear advice. A week and a day to go and I am already stoked!! PS...Here is a great quote from the Bike magazine... "For Rossi and his rapid bike colleagues leaning the bike over is an irritating by-product of going round a corner that momentarily prevents them from braking and accelerating as hard as they want to." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 31 11:47:43 2004 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:47:21 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Mechanical Question Auto At 09:31 AM 8/31/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > >So after dropping my bike off for service.....my car starts acting funny >and I am having problems with high revs and no power after 60,000K. >Limp to the dealer this morning and he tells me.....clutch is burnt and >flywheel has blue spots on it....total cost $1240. This is a major >downblow to me of epic proportions my question to the mechanically smart >here...can I get a reality check..is this real or am I getting dealer >scam? The diagnosis fits the symptoms. The total cost doesn't seem too far out of line...replacing the clutch requires pulling either the engine or the transmission, and at $85/hour or whatever, it mounts up fast. The parts are probably not more than $200 of that, the rest is labor I'm guessing. You might want the bearing replaced while they are at it. Shouldn't add much to the cost, and if the clutch and flywheel are in bad shape, the clutch release bearing probably is too. As for whether a clutch can be in that shape after only 60,000 miles, yeah, it could be, but none of mine ever were. Depends how it was driven. Lots of clutch slipping on starts, or "high performance" driving habits, and it could go that early. My '82 Celica was sold at 136,000 miles (all mine) with the original clutch still working fine, so the parts should be capable of making it well past 60,000 if not abused. Much. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 31 11:55:20 2004 Subject: This list Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:55:14 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: This list is a personal deus ex machina of mine. I have learned and got some really great tips from a lot of people here. So first off you are all welcome. If you ever drop by 6821 Reed Street in Bethesda while I am working I will buy you a drink or for those that don't some chicken wings or an appetizer on me. The information here rocks and has saved my ass and my wallet on more than one occasion -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:47 AM To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mechanical Question Auto At 09:31 AM 8/31/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > >So after dropping my bike off for service.....my car starts acting >funny and I am having problems with high revs and no power after 60,000K. >Limp to the dealer this morning and he tells me.....clutch is burnt and >flywheel has blue spots on it....total cost $1240. This is a major >downblow to me of epic proportions my question to the mechanically >smart here...can I get a reality check..is this real or am I getting >dealer scam? The diagnosis fits the symptoms. The total cost doesn't seem too far out of line...replacing the clutch requires pulling either the engine or the transmission, and at $85/hour or whatever, it mounts up fast. The parts are probably not more than $200 of that, the rest is labor I'm guessing. You might want the bearing replaced while they are at it. Shouldn't add much to the cost, and if the clutch and flywheel are in bad shape, the clutch release bearing probably is too. As for whether a clutch can be in that shape after only 60,000 miles, yeah, it could be, but none of mine ever were. Depends how it was driven. Lots of clutch slipping on starts, or "high performance" driving habits, and it could go that early. My '82 Celica was sold at 136,000 miles (all mine) with the original clutch still working fine, so the parts should be capable of making it well past 60,000 if not abused. Much. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 31 14:32:15 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:31:56 EDT Subject: Re: Mechanical Question Auto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:31:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > .clutch is burnt and > flywheel has blue spots on it....total cost $1240. OOOOOO! Blue spots. OOOOO! The flywheel got hot, big surprise there. So what? You could probably do the job for a coupla hundred. Do you have the tools and know how? It is not all that hard. If you are not sure get a shop manual and figure it out. As much as I HATE to work on cages I have put a couple of clutches in them. It is a time consuming pain in the ass. But $1200 I can bruise a couple of knuckles for that. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 31 16:00:48 2004 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Mechanical Question Auto On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > So after dropping my bike off for service.....my car starts acting funny > and I am having problems with high revs and no power after 60,000K. > Limp to the dealer this morning and he tells me.....clutch is burnt and > flywheel has blue spots on it....total cost $1240. This is a major > downblow to me of epic proportions my question to the mechanically smart > here...can I get a reality check..is this real or am I getting dealer > scam? > 2000 Toyota Celica GTS Generally clutches will start slipping in higher gears, near the tq peak of the motor, since that is where the greatest load is placed on them. Are you saying the car has 60,000 miles on it? That seems like a very short life for a low HP car like a Celica. Did you teach a lot of people how to drive a stick with this car? :-) Did you see the parts? They should be able to turn the flywheel (cheap) and replace the clutch disk/pressure plate/TOB (if necessary) and get you back on the road. $1240 doesn't seem unreasonable for a clutch job, especially if it includes parts. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 31 16:08:49 2004 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Mechanical Question Auto On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > OOOOOO! Blue spots. OOOOO! The flywheel got hot, big surprise there. So what? > You could probably do the job for a coupla hundred. Do you have the tools and > know how? It is not all that hard. If you are not sure get a shop manual and > figure it out. > > As much as I HATE to work on cages I have put a couple of clutches in them. > It is a time consuming pain in the ass. But $1200 I can bruise a couple of > knuckles for that. The complexity of the job really depends on the car, John. I'm in the middle of a clutch install on my C5 and it's a complete bitch. You have to remove the entire rear subframe, drop the rear suspension out of the car, remove the axles, rear end, transmission, torque tube/driveshaft, shifter, mufflers, x-pipe, cats and I had to remove my long tube headers. http://www.ls6.net/mods/exedy/install-081804//DSC02742.JPG http://www.ls6.net/mods/exedy/install-081804//DSC02749.JPG Yes, I did it alone. No, it's not easy. Yes, that tq tube/rear/tranny is heavy :-) Definately not a job for the faint of heart or inexperienced. Good luck, Julian :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 31 16:49:09 2004 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:48:58 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Mechanical Question Auto At 04:28 PM 8/31/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >The complexity of the job really depends on the car, John. I'm in the >middle of a clutch install on my C5 and it's a complete bitch. You have >to remove the entire rear subframe, drop the rear suspension out of the >car, remove the axles, rear end, transmission, torque tube/driveshaft, >shifter, mufflers, x-pipe, cats and I had to remove my long tube headers. Gee, and I'd thought that helping my old roomie do it for his '63 Rambler Classic was a PITA. All we had to do for that one was remove the rear end, driveshaft and the tube around it along with the transmission. Worst part of that job was trying to get the tranny to line up and seat while lying on our backs on either side of it. Finally got it lined up and started, but it wouldn't go all the way in. A friend showed up, and did a sort of high-bar move on the rear bumper, landed on the back of the differential with both boots, and it shot right into place. I *still* think he was a loony for doing that on a car supported only by a pair of jackstands... Trying a clutch replacement on a design like that solo is not something I even want to think about...glad you're a pro! ;-) [Good photos too!] -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better.