From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 06:01:55 2003 Subject: Re: Reduce Drag From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 05:57:39 -0400 Hmm, it sounds like I should tape it down until I find the right place and then set it. Thanks, Carl On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:16, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > As one who is always looking to cut down on wind noise, they do help a > bit, I > misjudged the mounting point and need to tilt my head back to get the > right > flow (IE quietness) > > George > > >That's the site. Do they work like the site says? I mean effectiveness? > >I might have to go with the yellow on black motif, just to be annoying > :-) > > Thanks, > > Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 07:38:00 2003 Subject: Close call From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 07:33:44 -0400 A bit of excitement this morning on my way in. Coming up 95HOV I got behind a SUV with a USMC license plate 'sleeping' in the left lane. After a moment, I signaled, checked and shifted right to pass. At about 1/3 into the pass he apparently woke up and hit the turn signals as he started changing lanes. I noticed the signals out of the corner of my eye, hit the horn and moved to the right side of the lane covering my brakes just in case. He paniced and did a little left/right swerve look around; "who's beeping" before going back into the left lane. I did a lot of waving of my arm at him (no, no 'finger'; "look at me, I'm a big biker, watch out") before continuing on. He had a blue t-shirt and a white baseball cap. It was one of those jeep type SUV's rather than the newer tanks. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 07:50:55 2003 Subject: MSF Day 1/2 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 07:46:41 -0400 Rita was beat when she got home yesterday. Wednesday's class was in the evening and she didn't get to bed until midnight. Then she had to get up at 5:30. The class was full (24 riders) with 6 women. Three extra folks showed up in case someone was late, "you're late, you're out". Unfortunately for them all 24 showed up and they had to leave. The instructor said that a few (6?) of the people in the last class failed. They went over the questions for the test and reviewed three videos including the one they showed at the rider seminar at Coleman's. Thursday she had a little *ping* as she understood pushing on the inside handlebar when turning even though I showed it to her lots of times. One of the ladies bailed out during class. She couldn't keep the speed up on her bike and was afraid of the turns. Rita's riding a Honda Nighthawk. She said there are a couple of those and a couple of Virago's. And a couple of dirt bikes. She seemed to enjoy the class but she was pretty dead on her feet too. She went to bed about 30 minutes after getting home last night. I was going to drive her in but with rain in the forecast, she didn't want to. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:05:47 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:04:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Day 1/2 Yep, range day will wear you out. The Nighthawk is agood choice, my usual demo bike. I avoid riding the Sherpa for tight turn demos. That bike can almost kiss it's own taillight and I thinks it's sorta like cheating to do demos on it :-) Bill Carl Schelin wrote: > Rita was beat when she got home yesterday. > > Wednesday's class was in the evening and she didn't get to bed until > midnight. Then she had to get up at 5:30. > > The class was full (24 riders) with 6 women. Three extra folks showed up > in case someone was late, "you're late, you're out". Unfortunately for > them all 24 showed up and they had to leave. The instructor said that a > few (6?) of the people in the last class failed. > > They went over the questions for the test and reviewed three videos > including the one they showed at the rider seminar at Coleman's. > > Thursday she had a little *ping* as she understood pushing on the inside > handlebar when turning even though I showed it to her lots of times. > > One of the ladies bailed out during class. She couldn't keep the speed > up on her bike and was afraid of the turns. > > Rita's riding a Honda Nighthawk. She said there are a couple of those > and a couple of Virago's. And a couple of dirt bikes. > > She seemed to enjoy the class but she was pretty dead on her feet too. > She went to bed about 30 minutes after getting home last night. > > I was going to drive her in but with rain in the forecast, she didn't > want to. > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:19:50 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:15:21 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Carl Schelin , DCCycles Subject: Re: MSF Day 1/2 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [151.196.120.82] at Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:19:39 -0500 Carl Schelin wrote: >Rita was beat when she got home yesterday. > >Wednesday's class was in the evening and she didn't get to bed until >midnight. Then she had to get up at 5:30. > > > Carl, Please let Rita know I'm rootin' for her. There's nothin' prettier than a woman on a motorcycle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . That's because she won't become one of those dreaded "Soccer Mom's." ;-) Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:25:46 2003 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:25:41 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Virginia special MC plates Virginia license plates for motorcycles & cars. "Share the Road". Show support for the Motorcycle Safety Training Program. http://www.vcomonline.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 08:46:06 2003 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Bike GPS (was:Re: Convertibars (**WARNING!!** Actual moto content)) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > I dunno why you wanna change the tripple clamps down they look sweet to me. I want to be able to lower the front end when I drag race. I can not slide the fork tubes up any to drop the front with the stock triple. Right now I'm limited to strapping the front end. > Anyhow, Just wanted to let you know that you can get some sweet ass GPS mounts > from RAM mounts. I see you used zip ties and that thing has got to vibrate > like a b#cht. No vibes here. What bike do you ride, Rob? My 'Busa is smooth as buttah. 8-) > I got a system from Cycoactive, it mounts into the spindle hole and it really > got rid of any vibration issues, except under the most extreme circumstances > (like too tall a gear). > > http://www.sharpie.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album31&id=IMG_0870 Looks good. > They even have a spindle Hayabusa mount shown here at the bottom of this page. > http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/sport_gpsmount.html > You can pretty much adjust your GPS any way you want it. I've been considering a stemstand, but my zip tie solution works well for me. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 09:03:28 2003 Subject: Re: MSF Day 1/2 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 08:59:14 -0400 On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 08:15, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Rita was beat when she got home yesterday. > > > >Wednesday's class was in the evening and she didn't get to bed until > >midnight. Then she had to get up at 5:30. > > > > > > > > Carl, > Please let Rita know I'm rootin' for her. There's nothin' > prettier than a woman on a motorcycle. > .. > .. > That's because she won't become one of those dreaded "Soccer Mom's." > > ;-) > She won't anyway. We're [Step]grandparents. The kids are grown and [mostly] gone. One of mine is in Boston and refuses to have kids. I'm afraid the other one will spend her life in [stereotype] trailers. Rita's daughter is actively pursuing her boyfriend though. Maybe a soccer grandmom :-) but with the kids on the back. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 10:50:46 2003 Subject: Tire Information From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 10:46:31 -0400 Ok, so when I bought my bike last year, the local biker guy here at the office pushed for me to get Avon Venoms. My response was that I'd get them when my current tires needed to be replaced. I'm at that point now. I checked various places for prices and found that Coleman's was offering the wrong tires for F $165 and R $198 with an additional $100 to mount. East Coast won't sell me Avons. "Dunlop is the choice." They'll mount ones I bring in for 3-4 hours of work (about $250). Of course they also threaten my life and question my sanity and give me stories about Avons with dry rot. The Dunlops will cost me $525 for tires and mounting and will give me "peace of mind". I received the Avon's a few days ago ($212 from discountmotorcycletire.com). They were sitting behind my boxwoods. When I stopped by Coleman's, the service guy said the parts guys are idiots. If I didn't buy the tires at Coleman's then they charge the hourly price, 1.2 hours for rear, .8 hours for front. $165 total. Classic Iron said their service guy had been sick and is two to three weeks behind on work. Any other suggestions for quick turn-around? I know, check the archives. Unfortunately they seem to be a little behind and I just cleaned out my dc-cycles folder. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 10:58:49 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:58:59 -0400 To: Larry Larson , dcpatti , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Rock Creek Park At 08:11 PM 7/31/03 -0700, Larry Larson wrote: >--- dcpatti wrote: > >> A big chunk of Rock Creek Park is closed to motorized >> traffic from 7am Saturday to 7pm Sunday, every >> weekend, plus Holiday Mondays. There's still plenty >> of fun roads open but it's a little harder to find >> them if you don't know the park. Beach Drive is one >> of the roads that's closed. > >Beach Drive is only closed from Broad Branch Road north. I believe the portions in Montgomery County are at least partially open. I've been on the section from the Viers Mill Rec Center down to the Mormon Temple on the weekends with no problems. -- Mike "it's a nice section to ride too" Bartman -- **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:01:32 2003 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Tire Information To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Call Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's. They will install tires bought else where. You do need an appointment there now. Dennis does not accept walkins and you cannot leave the bike there due to space issues. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Ok, so when I bought my bike last year, the local > biker guy here at the > office pushed for me to get Avon Venoms. My response > was that I'd get > them when my current tires needed to be replaced. > I'm at that point now. > > I checked various places for prices and found that > Coleman's was > offering the wrong tires for F $165 and R $198 with > an additional $100 > to mount. > > East Coast won't sell me Avons. "Dunlop is the > choice." They'll mount > ones I bring in for 3-4 hours of work (about $250). > Of course they also > threaten my life and question my sanity and give me > stories about Avons > with dry rot. > > The Dunlops will cost me $525 for tires and mounting > and will give me > "peace of mind". > > I received the Avon's a few days ago ($212 from > discountmotorcycletire.com). They were sitting > behind my boxwoods. > > When I stopped by Coleman's, the service guy said > the parts guys are > idiots. If I didn't buy the tires at Coleman's then > they charge the > hourly price, 1.2 hours for rear, .8 hours for > front. $165 total. > > Classic Iron said their service guy had been sick > and is two to three > weeks behind on work. > > Any other suggestions for quick turn-around? I know, > check the archives. > Unfortunately they seem to be a little behind and I > just cleaned out my > dc-cycles folder. > > Carl > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:15:36 2003 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Information To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cycle accessory discounters in g-burg, md: 301 977-7188 --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Call Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's. They will install > tires bought else where. You do need an appointment > there now. Dennis does not accept walkins and you > cannot leave the bike there due to space issues. > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Ok, so when I bought my bike last year, the local > > biker guy here at the > > office pushed for me to get Avon Venoms. My response > > was that I'd get > > them when my current tires needed to be replaced. > > I'm at that point now. > > > > I checked various places for prices and found that > > Coleman's was > > offering the wrong tires for F $165 and R $198 with > > an additional $100 > > to mount. > > > > East Coast won't sell me Avons. "Dunlop is the > > choice." They'll mount > > ones I bring in for 3-4 hours of work (about $250). > > Of course they also > > threaten my life and question my sanity and give me > > stories about Avons > > with dry rot. > > > > The Dunlops will cost me $525 for tires and mounting > > and will give me > > "peace of mind". > > > > I received the Avon's a few days ago ($212 from > > discountmotorcycletire.com). They were sitting > > behind my boxwoods. > > > > When I stopped by Coleman's, the service guy said > > the parts guys are > > idiots. If I didn't buy the tires at Coleman's then > > they charge the > > hourly price, 1.2 hours for rear, .8 hours for > > front. $165 total. > > > > Classic Iron said their service guy had been sick > > and is two to three > > weeks behind on work. > > > > Any other suggestions for quick turn-around? I know, > > check the archives. > > Unfortunately they seem to be a little behind and I > > just cleaned out my > > dc-cycles folder. > > > > Carl > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design > software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:22:36 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:22:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Tire Information For $35 I bought a tire changer from Harbor Freight as recommended by The List(c). I'll be using it for the first time somewhere around October after my summer tires are shot. I was tired of being raped by Manassas Honda for tire changes when I don't buy my tires from them. At 11:15 AM 8/1/2003, Tom Gimer wrote: >cycle accessory discounters in g-burg, md: 301 977-7188 > > >--- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Call Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's. They will install > > tires bought else where. You do need an appointment > > there now. Dennis does not accept walkins and you > > cannot leave the bike there due to space issues. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:29:35 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Information Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:29:23 -0400 I know for some it might be a drive for people in Virginia but CAD cycles in Gaithersburg will mount tires for 15 per wheel off the bike or if you bring in the bike it is 35 per tire. I took my wheels off my bike and took them in and got them mounted saved some money. Also check out Motorcycle tire planet seems to be the best prices I've found so far. http://www.motorcycletireplanet.com/index.asp -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Information Ok, so when I bought my bike last year, the local biker guy here at the office pushed for me to get Avon Venoms. My response was that I'd get them when my current tires needed to be replaced. I'm at that point now. I checked various places for prices and found that Coleman's was offering the wrong tires for F $165 and R $198 with an additional $100 to mount. East Coast won't sell me Avons. "Dunlop is the choice." They'll mount ones I bring in for 3-4 hours of work (about $250). Of course they also threaten my life and question my sanity and give me stories about Avons with dry rot. The Dunlops will cost me $525 for tires and mounting and will give me "peace of mind". I received the Avon's a few days ago ($212 from discountmotorcycletire.com). They were sitting behind my boxwoods. When I stopped by Coleman's, the service guy said the parts guys are idiots. If I didn't buy the tires at Coleman's then they charge the hourly price, 1.2 hours for rear, .8 hours for front. $165 total. Classic Iron said their service guy had been sick and is two to three weeks behind on work. Any other suggestions for quick turn-around? I know, check the archives. Unfortunately they seem to be a little behind and I just cleaned out my dc-cycles folder. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:31:54 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Information Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:31:12 -0400 Is there a link for that I'd like to buy one of those tire changers. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:22 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Information For $35 I bought a tire changer from Harbor Freight as recommended by The List(c). I'll be using it for the first time somewhere around October after my summer tires are shot. I was tired of being raped by Manassas Honda for tire changes when I don't buy my tires from them. At 11:15 AM 8/1/2003, Tom Gimer wrote: >cycle accessory discounters in g-burg, md: 301 977-7188 > > >--- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Call Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's. They will install > > tires bought else where. You do need an appointment > > there now. Dennis does not accept walkins and you > > cannot leave the bike there due to space issues. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:32:30 2003 From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Information Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:32:17 -0400 Call up Sebastian, the owner of Cycle pros at 8536 P Terminal Road in Lorton (I had his card)703-339-5699. He's a pretty cool guy. Tell him Jeff, the guy with the red Honda Hawk said Hi. (He insatalled both of my pre-bought tires) jeff ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (703)786-4723 '89 RED ----Original Message Follows---- From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Information Date: 01 Aug 2003 10:46:31 -0400 Ok, so when I bought my bike last year, the local biker guy here at the office pushed for me to get Avon Venoms. My response was that I'd get them when my current tires needed to be replaced. I'm at that point now. I checked various places for prices and found that Coleman's was offering the wrong tires for F $165 and R $198 with an additional $100 to mount. East Coast won't sell me Avons. "Dunlop is the choice." They'll mount ones I bring in for 3-4 hours of work (about $250). Of course they also threaten my life and question my sanity and give me stories about Avons with dry rot. The Dunlops will cost me $525 for tires and mounting and will give me "peace of mind". I received the Avon's a few days ago ($212 from discountmotorcycletire.com). They were sitting behind my boxwoods. When I stopped by Coleman's, the service guy said the parts guys are idiots. If I didn't buy the tires at Coleman's then they charge the hourly price, 1.2 hours for rear, .8 hours for front. $165 total. Classic Iron said their service guy had been sick and is two to three weeks behind on work. Any other suggestions for quick turn-around? I know, check the archives. Unfortunately they seem to be a little behind and I just cleaned out my dc-cycles folder. Carl _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:38:26 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:38:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Tire Information Looks like they raised their price. $70 now. Glad I bought mine a couple of months ago at half price! I just looked in the archives which said a motorcycle tire attachment is required. That is $39.99, but I don't know if the two work together or if you can use it separately. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34542 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42927 At 11:31 AM 8/1/2003, you wrote: >Is there a link for that I'd like to buy one of those tire changers. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:42:31 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:42:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Tire Information Correction, the two are required for changing bike tires. I'll have to order the second unit. Still cheaper than two tire changes at the dealer! At 11:38 AM 8/1/2003, you wrote: >a motorcycle tire attachment is required. That is $39.99, but I don't >know if the two work together or if you can use it separately. > >http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34542 >http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42927 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 11:56:58 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Information Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:58:12 -0400 In the latest ad/catalog that came in the mail, it's $34 on the cover. Not sure how you dig up that price online, but they ARE still offering it for that. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Tire Information > > Looks like they raised their price. $70 now. Glad I bought mine a couple > > of months ago at half price! I just looked in the archives which said a > motorcycle tire attachment is required. That is $39.99, but I don't know > if the two work together or if you can use it separately. > > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34542 > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42927 > > At 11:31 AM 8/1/2003, you wrote: > >Is there a link for that I'd like to buy one of those tire changers. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:04:17 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Information Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:52:20 -0400 I'll second that. Give Ryan or Dave a call there and you can usually walk in have it done while you wait. I'll be bringing in a set of VFR wheels there tomorrow for a friend. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Tom Gimer To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Information Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:15:28 -0700 (PDT) cycle accessory discounters in g-burg, md: 301 977-7188 --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Call Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's. They will install > tires bought else where. You do need an appointment > there now. Dennis does not accept walkins and you > cannot leave the bike there due to space issues. > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Ok, so when I bought my bike last year, the local > > biker guy here at the > > office pushed for me to get Avon Venoms. My response > > was that I'd get > > them when my current tires needed to be replaced. > > I'm at that point now. > > > > I checked various places for prices and found that > > Coleman's was > > offering the wrong tires for F $165 and R $198 with > > an additional $100 > > to mount. > > > > East Coast won't sell me Avons. "Dunlop is the > > choice." They'll mount > > ones I bring in for 3-4 hours of work (about $250). > > Of course they also > > threaten my life and question my sanity and give me > > stories about Avons > > with dry rot. > > > > The Dunlops will cost me $525 for tires and mounting > > and will give me > > "peace of mind". > > > > I received the Avon's a few days ago ($212 from > > discountmotorcycletire.com). They were sitting > > behind my boxwoods. > > > > When I stopped by Coleman's, the service guy said > > the parts guys are > > idiots. If I didn't buy the tires at Coleman's then > > they charge the > > hourly price, 1.2 hours for rear, .8 hours for > > front. $165 total. > > > > Classic Iron said their service guy had been sick > > and is two to three > > weeks behind on work. > > > > Any other suggestions for quick turn-around? I know, > > check the archives. > > Unfortunately they seem to be a little behind and I > > just cleaned out my > > dc-cycles folder. > > > > Carl > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design > software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:07:37 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:07:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Tire Information Just went to their site and did a search for tire changer. First link down there shows $70. At 11:57 AM 8/1/2003, you wrote: >In the latest ad/catalog that came in the mail, it's $34 on the cover. Not >sure how you dig up that price online, but they ARE still offering it for >that. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:14:03 2003 Subject: Ans: Tire Information From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 12:09:49 -0400 See, that's why I'll just hit delete for the wacky messages. Lots of good information when asked. Anyone have Crossroads phone number? They apparently don't have a web site. Thanks all. I'll let you know what I find. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:19:18 2003 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Ans: Tire Information To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ha, they are not website types of guys 703-820-3711 --- Carl Schelin wrote: > See, that's why I'll just hit delete for the wacky > messages. Lots of > good information when asked. > > Anyone have Crossroads phone number? They apparently > don't have a web > site. > > Thanks all. I'll let you know what I find. > > Carl > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:22:59 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:25:07 -0400 Subject: fs---cb77 update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" I have fixed the sticking clutch plates problem and the oil seal repair is still holding. --garcia ====================================================================== 1967 Honda 305 Superhawk. Something of a collectors)B’ item, the restored ones can sell for upwards of $3500. This one isn)B’t anywhere that nice, but is often described as )B“cute”. See pix on ebay, google, or altavista. [e.g. http://www.honda305.com/superhawk/] for restored ones. Or email me for pix of this one. Ok, details: 305 cc, parallel twin, kick and electric start. Continental tires, new battery. Non-stock (though not obnoxiously loud) mufflers. 8k miles on speedo, but who knows. IMO: (1) this is a good bike for restoration or riding around for fun. (2) It)B’s not a good beginner’s (or daily commuting) bike because it will require more frequent tinkering and repair than a newer bike. Good stuff: Starts easily and very easy to work on (for example, carbs come off in less than 10 minutes). Superhawks are rare and get lots of attention, but parts are readily available (though somewhat expensive) on ebay. Some spare parts go with bike. Known bad stuff: Gear shifting is clunky and false neutrals are common unless you shift just right. Had oil leak (seal size 30-62-8) on the right side (easy to get to; if my repair doesn)B’t hold (seal had popped out), a new seal should do it). Needs speedo cable ($17.49 at Cycles USA, about the same at Coleman's) and chain guard (last NOS one on ebay went for $51). Stupidly cut-and-spliced wiring (it works, and electrical system is pretty basic, so this is not much of a problem; and a used stock harness is around $50 on ebay). One tank badge cracked, the other missing. Small (~ 1") tear in seat cover. $700 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:35:16 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Troutman '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Tire Information Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:36:35 -0400 Catalog "143-B / SUMMER 2003" Front page, Portable Tire Changer 69.99 34.99. Item 34542-9ABB That's all I know. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 8/1/03 12:07 PM Subject: RE: Tire Information Just went to their site and did a search for tire changer. First link down there shows $70. At 11:57 AM 8/1/2003, you wrote: >In the latest ad/catalog that came in the mail, it's $34 on the cover. Not >sure how you dig up that price online, but they ARE still offering it for >that. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:38:51 2003 Subject: TI Recap From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 12:34:37 -0400 Crossroads Cycles: $90 walk-ins tomorrow at 9am. Motorcycle Factory Inc (PW Parkway; I found it on the web and it was privately recommended, thanks!): $70 if I bring unmounted tires. Cycle Pros: Left message on answering machine. Coleman's: $165 walk-ins tomorrow East Coast: $250 and it takes two days The one thing I forgot was tubes (East Coast reminded me). We'll see what Cycle Pros says later. Thanks all, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:41:50 2003 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: TI Recap To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX you forgot the best deal going: CAD --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Crossroads Cycles: $90 walk-ins tomorrow at 9am. > > Motorcycle Factory Inc (PW Parkway; I found it on the web > and it was > privately recommended, thanks!): $70 if I bring unmounted > tires. > > Cycle Pros: Left message on answering machine. > > Coleman's: $165 walk-ins tomorrow > > East Coast: $250 and it takes two days > > > The one thing I forgot was tubes (East Coast reminded > me). > > We'll see what Cycle Pros says later. > > Thanks all, > > Carl > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 12:50:49 2003 Subject: Re: TI Recap From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 12:46:35 -0400 Yea but... I'd have to drive from Woodbridge to Gaithersburg. If I wasn't in a hurry I might consider it. Thanks, Carl On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 12:41, Tom Gimer wrote: > you forgot the best deal going: CAD > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Crossroads Cycles: $90 walk-ins tomorrow at 9am. > > > > Motorcycle Factory Inc (PW Parkway; I found it on the web > > and it was > > privately recommended, thanks!): $70 if I bring unmounted > > tires. > > > > Cycle Pros: Left message on answering machine. > > > > Coleman's: $165 walk-ins tomorrow > > > > East Coast: $250 and it takes two days > > > > > > The one thing I forgot was tubes (East Coast reminded > > me). > > > > We'll see what Cycle Pros says later. > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Carl > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:21:56 2003 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: TI Recap To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX gotcha --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Yea but... I'd have to drive from Woodbridge to > Gaithersburg. > > If I wasn't in a hurry I might consider it. > > Thanks, > > Carl > > On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 12:41, Tom Gimer wrote: > > you forgot the best deal going: CAD > > > > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Crossroads Cycles: $90 walk-ins tomorrow at 9am. > > > > > > Motorcycle Factory Inc (PW Parkway; I found it on the > web > > > and it was > > > privately recommended, thanks!): $70 if I bring > unmounted > > > tires. > > > > > > Cycle Pros: Left message on answering machine. > > > > > > Coleman's: $165 walk-ins tomorrow > > > > > > East Coast: $250 and it takes two days > > > > > > > > > The one thing I forgot was tubes (East Coast reminded > > > me). > > > > > > We'll see what Cycle Pros says later. > > > > > > Thanks all, > > > > > > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:27:11 2003 Subject: Virus making the rounds From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Aug 2003 13:22:57 -0400 Just a heads-up. I don't click on attachments I don't recognize. A virus is starting to make the rounds. There's an attachment called message.zip and the subject is about "your account [some garbage]" It's another one of those Outlook/MAPI viruses that exploits an IE vulnerability. It's from admin@[domain], in our case, admin@XXXXXX. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 13:46:44 2003 From: pam@XXXXXX To: Carl Schelin Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virus making the rounds Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:46:42 -0400 Hi, all. I'm a DBA on Oracle's Global Mail team. I've got some insight into this issue, as we're dealing with it right now. This is spam/virus. What it will do is send a message to every thing in your addressbook, essentially overloading your email system. Symantec and Trend (anti-virus control software used on laptops and network systems) have alerts out using their highest alert forms. This isn't coming from any specific domain, nor is it designed to exploit any specific browswers vunerabilities. It is forging the domain name so that it would state, 'admin@XXXXXX' or something like that. DO NOT OPEN THE ZIP FILE OR LAUNCH THE EXECUTABLE. This message is overwhelming our system... we'll probably read about it on cnn.com pretty soon. Regards, Pam Sapyta Carl Schelin writes: > Just a heads-up. I don't click on attachments I don't recognize. > > A virus is starting to make the rounds. There's an attachment called > message.zip and the subject is about "your account [some garbage]" > > It's another one of those Outlook/MAPI viruses that exploits an IE > vulnerability. > > It's from admin@[domain], in our case, admin@XXXXXX. > > Carl > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 17:01:57 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Nifty niche camcorder Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:00:31 -0400 Several times just recently t'would have been handy to have had immediate video capture while riding. And I'll bet the list tourers with their good galleries of travel shots felt that way too. All kinds of possibilities. Well, this just happened to cross my inbox -- DejaView CAMWEAR. Small unit with eyeglass-clip pickup and -- "Features: . Captures a 30 second video clip with audio of what happened before you hit the record button . Easy to use - ready to go right out of the box . Our cameras are all wearable - meaning that they are hands free!!" ($300 +) http://checkout.verisign.com/cgi-bin/epages.storefront/ENCK/ePages/Customer/ Orbit/ShopPage/Show/455246/CATALOG Seductive. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > pics of light runners, etc.? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:15:14 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:14:01 -0400 To: "Mobacc" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Nifty niche camcorder What we really need is video and audio that records in a loop until stopped...so you always have the most recent 30 seconds or more of data. You would set the thing up with two ways to stop it: 1) a switch for when you see something incredible and want to save it, and 2) an accelerometer that triggers at a bunch of G's to record what happened just before the impact...like an ELT in a plane. It might even be possible to link it with a cell phone, so that saved clips could be uploaded to your home system, to free the camera up for another clip without having to go home first. If the home system could tell whether the trigger was manual or jolt-induced, and if you coupled the system with a GPS for location data, you could have your home system automatically call for an ambulance/police and specify your location too! :^) Not only would this be fun for the video-BLOG crowd (which I'm sure is coming soon...), and for accident data, but it might also help to reduce crime if enough people started wearing them. If a mugger knew that he'd just been videotaped and the record transmitted elsewhere, he might decide to go elsewhere. The police might also be able to use such captures to prosecute stupid and agressive drivers too...it would certainly help back up your testimony in court anyway. Just some thoughts... -- Mike At 05:00 PM 8/1/03 -0400, Mobacc wrote: >Several times just recently t'would have been handy to have had immediate >video capture while riding. And I'll bet the list tourers with their good >galleries of travel shots felt that way too. All kinds of possibilities. >Well, this just happened to cross my inbox -- DejaView CAMWEAR. Small unit >with eyeglass-clip pickup and -- > >"Features: . Captures a 30 second video clip with audio of what happened >before you hit the record button . Easy to use - ready to go right out of >the box . Our cameras are all wearable - meaning that they are hands free!!" >($300 +) > >http://checkout.verisign.com/cgi-bin/epages.storefront/ENCK/ePages/Customer/ >Orbit/ShopPage/Show/455246/CATALOG > >Seductive. > >Bill S. / DC >'99 VN750 > pics of light runners, etc.? >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 18:25:17 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Fw: [VStrom2] Flaming out Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:25:08 -0400 >From the V-Strom Yahoo group. Reason #3 why turbine bikes won't catch on ;-) > Not a good day... > > http://ceracing.com/news.php3?id=167 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 1 23:35:48 2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:35:41 -0400 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Fw: [VStrom2] Flaming out At 06:25 PM 8/1/03 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >>From the V-Strom Yahoo group. > >Reason #3 why turbine bikes won't catch on ;-) > >> Not a good day... >> >> http://ceracing.com/news.php3?id=167 Well, I guess if you are planning to dismount at 160mph+, you should be getting ready to break... -- Mike "looks like a typical piston engine...turbines don't have those tiny exhaust pipes..." Bartman -- **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 00:40:17 2003 From: "ALEXANDER MORSE" To: Subject: Riding in Montreal Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:40:06 -0400 Hi All, I'm taking the Bandit12 up to Montreal next week and I'm wondering if anybody knows about the moto environment up there. More sport bikes than Harleys? How's the toleration for parking downtown (can you squeeze into metered spaces with another car without getting a ticket) and what's their policy (informal or otherwise) on lane splitting? Stuff like that... Merci, Alex Mt Pleasant From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 01:31:20 2003 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:31:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Fw: [VStrom2] Flaming out Bartman wrote: >Well, I guess if you are planning to dismount at 160mph+, you should be >getting ready to break... Hey Mike, did you mean "brake", or was that an intentional pun on the rider's predicament? (That rider would be Colin Edwards on the Aprilia Cube MotoGP bike, en flambe.) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 11:21:15 2003 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:20:44 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Fw: [VStrom2] Flaming out At 12:31 AM 8/2/03 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: >Bartman wrote: >>Well, I guess if you are planning to dismount at 160mph+, you should be >>getting ready to break... > > >Hey Mike, did you mean "brake", or was that an intentional pun on the >rider's predicament? It was actually a comment on the spelling on the web page with the picture (they had it wrong). There were two errors in the text at the top, that was just one of them. Here's the text from the page: >What do you do when your getting ready to break at 160+ MPH, and you discover >you are completely engulfed in flames??? You get the hell off the bike!!! > >If it weren't for bad luck, our Texas Tornado would have any luck at all... The second mistake is that "would" should have been "wouldn't" I believe. It looked like that page was part of a news organization's pages, and if so, it's pretty sad that they don't proof read them. Casual "conversation" on lists like this is one thing, but a professional publication should have higher standards. -- Mike "IBR (Internet Brain Rot) strikes again" Bartman -- **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 11:26:01 2003 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:25:56 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Fw: [VStrom2] Flaming out At 11:20 AM 8/2/03 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: >It was actually a comment on the spelling on the web page with the picture >(they had it wrong). There were two errors in the text at the top, that >was just one of them. Make that *three* errors. >>What do you do when your getting ready to break at 160+ MPH, and you "Your" should be "you're"... -- Mike "Apparently I've got IBR too..." Bartman -- **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 17:33:56 2003 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:16:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Fw: [VStrom2] Flaming out At 11:25 AM 8/2/03 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: >At 11:20 AM 8/2/03 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > > >It was actually a comment on the spelling on the web page with the picture > >(they had it wrong). There were two errors in the text at the top, that > >was just one of them. > >Make that *three* errors. > > >>What do you do when your getting ready to break at 160+ MPH, and you > >"Your" should be "you're"... > > -- Mike "Apparently I've got IBR too..." Bartman -- Make that four: "hell" should be capitalized. But I think this is a fan site, not a professional news page. At least I hope so. Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red ST1100, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 18:15:46 2003 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Gas Mileage??? To: DC Cycles Got a friend with an older bike (early 80's Yamaha Seca) that is getting pretty horrid gas mileage, about 10-12mpg. He's already cleaned carbs, adjusted jetting, replaced air filter, replaced fuel petcocks (had a leak) and I think cleaned the choke out. What else should he look at? FWIW the bike was sitting for a long time before he started riding it again. Thanks, Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 18:42:05 2003 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:41:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Gas Mileage??? At 03:15 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Got a friend with an older bike (early 80's Yamaha >Seca) that is getting pretty horrid gas mileage, about >10-12mpg. He's already cleaned carbs, adjusted >jetting, replaced air filter, replaced fuel petcocks >(had a leak) and I think cleaned the choke out. What >else should he look at? FWIW the bike was sitting for >a long time before he started riding it again. Is the friend riding with the choke on? Is the choke mechanism adjusted right? The choke dumps more gas into the mix for easier, richer starting. Probably not how you want to ride though. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 2 23:35:26 2003 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:35:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Fw: [VStrom2] Flaming out I wasn't so much pointing out mistakes as I was pointing out the unintentional pun. If a rider is bailing off at 160 mph, he's getting ready to break....get it? Like, massive blunt force trauma to the endoskeleton when he slides into something? -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 01:08:25 2003 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:08:22 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: re: gas mileage To: Jon Strang Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jon Strang wrote: > Its really tought to get that bad mileage and still > have the bike run...unless the gas is leaking out. > > He might want to see if his float valve (in any one > of > his four carbs) is not sealing, and gas is slowly > drooling out through the overflow (and into the > motor > when it's stopped). > > --jon > It might be dumping out while he is riding. I can safely say he is not leaking gas, or at least any tangible amount, while parked, as he parks in my carport and i don't smell gas at all from his bike. >From the other bikes, sure :) something back there is always leaking something or other, but that bike is not leaking enough gas to smell it, or to leave goo on the bike. I'll tell him to check the float bowls... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 13:23:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:22:51 EDT Subject: Re: Gas Mileage??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/2/2003 6:15:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: > adjusted > jetting, _Never_ necessary unless changes have been made to the engine. How did he clean it? If he used spray cleaner it could have destroyed some or all of the rubber components, or age could have. I would start with the rubber stuff. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 20:35:31 2003 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Moto Tote I was thumbing through the latest Cycle World and saw an ad for this hitch mounted bike hauler - http://www.mototote.com/ It looks like a good alternative to a motorcycle trailer. Anyone have experience using one? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 20:55:16 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Moto Tote Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:55:05 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793a39c741bd7099001f6e5863916aab36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Wayne showed us: > I was thumbing through the latest Cycle World and saw an ad for this hitch > mounted bike hauler - http://www.mototote.com/ > > It looks like a good alternative to a motorcycle trailer. Anyone have > experience using one? [Dave] Negative. I've seen a moped mounted to the front of an RV... The only things I can see being issues are 1: I'd be worried about the integrity of the mount in the trailer hitch hole, 2: limited ground clearance because of the low hang, and weighting the rear suspension. But, like you say, a possible good trailer alternative. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 21:05:46 2003 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:19:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Moto Tote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Negative. I've seen a moped mounted to the front of an RV... The > only things I can see being issues are 1: I'd be worried about the > integrity of the mount in the trailer hitch hole, 2: limited ground > clearance because of the low hang, and weighting the rear suspension. There is a pretty decent review of the product done by CW. It's in PDF form on the Moto Tote website. I'm not sure what you mean by the integrity of the trailer hitch hole, but they do mention the decreased ground clearance. As to weighting the rear suspension, even my pimp-daddy SUV ;-) can carry a LOT more weight in the rear than a motorcycle (~600 lbs w/mount) can deliver. It would obviously effect handling/ride more, since it's behind the rear axle, but so does having a trailer back there with a lot of tongue weight. I routintely trailer my car (total weight ~5500lbs) and run about 10% of my total trailer/car weight on the tongue. Getting rear ended while carrying your bike back there would certainly suck :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 21:47:34 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Moto Tote Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:47:26 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7992a38eb4325fb7e8b606deae3c1ad99a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > There is a pretty decent review of the product done by CW. It's in PDF > form on the Moto Tote website. [Dave] I'll check it out... that is a good position for the Eyeabuser ;-) > I'm not sure what you mean by the integrity of the trailer hitch hole, but > they do mention the decreased ground clearance. [Dave] I'd just be concerned with that much weight on the bar... Fine on straight level pavement, but what about the pot hole, pavement rippled hell we have around here? > As to weighting the rear suspension, even my pimp-daddy SUV ;-) >can carry a LOT more weight in the rear than a motorcycle (~600 lbs w/mount) can deliver. [Dave] AND, more importantly, you can add moto-Bling Bling to your Pimp daddy SUV ! ;-) With innovations like this, how am I ever going to get TOWMBO to go for a used Powersmoke diesel ? :-/ > It would obviously effect handling/ride more, since it's behind the rear > axle, but so does having a trailer back there with a lot of tongue weight. > I routintely trailer my car (total weight ~5500lbs) and run about 10% of > my total trailer/car weight on the tongue. [Dave] That helps put some perspective on it.... > > Getting rear ended while carrying your bike back there would certainly > suck :-) I'd definitely use a cover, no since allowing someone to get hypnotized by the "cool bike on the back of that truck" and run right into it... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 3 22:11:59 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Wayne Edelen , Subject: Re: Bike GPS (was:Re: Convertibars (**WARNING!!** Actual moto content)) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:13:12 -0500 On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:00:26 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen wrote 1988 hawk GT 650. Sometimes when you push on the throttle and the gear is too tall it likes to buck around.... I am looking for a VFR800 sometime this fall or when I can get a good deal (98+ if you know anyone selling one). > No vibes here. What bike do you ride, Rob? My 'Busa is smooth as buttah. > 8-) Hey if your looking for a good way to spend about 70 bux it's great. > I've been considering a stemstand, but my zip tie solution works > well for me. :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 08:31:20 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:45:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: R1 Accident I'm sure this is being passed around the web, but it is an interesting crash... I love the post about R1s growing on trees :-) http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38479&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 08:31:23 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 05:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Lurking Subject: suggestion for tire mounting To: cschelin@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fairfax Cycles mounted my rear tire. I dropped it off Tuesday afternoon at 5pm and it was ready Wednesday morning at 9:30am. $40 to mount a tire you bought elsewhere (may be more depending on model of bike). Their contact info is: 3156 F Spring St. Fairfax, VA 22031 (703) 591 8556 I usually talk with Casey Harrington when I call, but I think all the guys there are pretty good. I wouldn't say this shop is the best ever, but it's above average for this area from my experience and that of others. Let us know how it goes. -Kipp. ===== "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland." -Adolf Hitler __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 08:43:11 2003 From: "Jim Caldwell" To: Subject: How to use the Harbor Freight Tire Changer Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:42:15 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Here is a great link to a photo essay on how to use the Harbor Freight tire changer (there is also one on plugging a tire). Several great tips on making the job easier. http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/tirechange Jim Caldwell Owings, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 09:57:02 2003 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: MCI center bike parking Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:56:28 GMT Hi, I hope to head up to the MCI center for about 2.5 hours beginning at 11:30 this morning. Any suggestions on where to park a bike for that length of time? Any help would be appreciated. Please reply directly to me as I am on digest. Lisa '95 VFR --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 10:29:35 2003 Subject: New Tires From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Aug 2003 10:25:19 -0400 Ok, I used Crossroads Cycles to change my tires. $95 on the bike. Watching them work on it and on other bikes was very interesting. I also wandered through their selection of other bikes. Mostly Triumphs but there were a couple of others _including_a_Honda_750_chopper_. Woo hoo. I picked up a couple of ideas for my winter project bike. Anyway, they finished a little after 11am. I got myself straightened out with helmet and gloves, etc, got on the bike and started off and thought I was going to fall off the bike! The old tires were Dunlops and well worn. Being mainly a distance/commuter rider, my wear pattern is fairly flat and the Dunlops were about 4" wide. The Avons have a rounder cross-section and about 1 1/2" on the ground at any one time. In addition, the front tire cross-section changed a little. I think the circumferance is less than the Dunlops. Basically, from the feel of the front end, I think I have a skosh of tuck now. When I go into turns, it feels like the front end leading edge wants to drop. With the rounder rear tire it feels like the back end wants to pass the front. I'm getting used to it but it's a good thing I didn't get it done Thursday. I also changed the front brakes and replaced about half the brake fluid. There is about a quarter inch of play in the front brake lever. I still have to do the rear brake fluid. So new pads and skins with new fluids. I have to get a new rain suit and new totes. I've packed and repacked my stuff and am just about to the point where I have to get some saddlebags. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 10:35:29 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:35:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New Tires To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX sounds like you need to bleed 'em better question: why replace only HALF of the fluid??? --- Carl Schelin wrote: > I also changed the front brakes and replaced about > half the brake > fluid. There is about a quarter inch of play in the front > brake lever. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 10:46:45 2003 Subject: Re: New Tires From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Aug 2003 10:42:31 -0400 On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 10:35, Tom Gimer wrote: > sounds like you need to bleed 'em better > No no, that's a good thing. I was coming back about half-way. Now I barely touch them and the front brakes engage. It's lots better than it was. > question: why replace only HALF of the fluid??? > Well, I went down close to the entrance of the brake line. I wasn't interested in draining and replacing or bleeding them, just topping off. I didn't realize what a change it'd make. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 10:55:11 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Dave Yates'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moto Tote Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:56:36 -0400 Welded one up in 1999 and dragged a bike 12K miles around the country. Worked. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [SMTP:Dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Moto Tote > > Wayne showed us: > > I was thumbing through the latest Cycle World and saw an ad for this > hitch > > mounted bike hauler - http://www.mototote.com/ > > > > It looks like a good alternative to a motorcycle trailer. Anyone have > > experience using one? > > [Dave] Negative. I've seen a moped mounted to the front of an RV... The > only things I can see being issues are 1: I'd be worried about the > integrity of the mount in the trailer hitch hole, 2: limited ground > clearance because of the low hang, and weighting the rear suspension. > > But, like you say, a possible good trailer alternative. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 10:56:47 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Traffic Rule Question To: DC Cycles I think I know the answer to this, but need to confirm. 4-way intersection with lights. One set of lights (east-west) flashing Red. The other set (north-south) flashing yellow. Road is oneway south to north and oneway west to east. Many Veichles approaching from south to north. They are proceeding through the yellow light. A single veichle comes from west to east to the flashing red. Veichle stops for a few cars, but after a while just takes off through the intersection (perhaps one of the veichles going north slowed down and may have been thinking about stopping). As the veichle goes from a stop it almost creams me coming throught he intersection (with a yellow light). Does the car with the flashing red light have any right to go before all cars have proceeded throught the yellow flashing light? What responsibilities do cars going through a flashing yellow have? Thanks ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 11:05:58 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Traffic Rule Question Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:04:35 -0400 Flashing red is like a stop sign, flashing yellow means you have the rightaway. The car at the flashing red must yield to ALL cars on the other road. Flashing yellow means just go, but watch out for the piss poor drivers coming the other way that get confused. :) -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:57 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Traffic Rule Question > > > I think I know the answer to this, but need to > confirm. > > 4-way intersection with lights. One set of lights > (east-west) flashing Red. The other set (north-south) > flashing yellow. Road is oneway south to north and > oneway west to east. > > Many Veichles approaching from south to north. They > are proceeding through the yellow light. > > A single veichle comes from west to east to the > flashing red. Veichle stops for a few cars, but after > a while just takes off through the intersection > (perhaps one of the veichles going north slowed down > and may have been thinking about stopping). As the > veichle goes from a stop it almost creams me coming > throught he intersection (with a yellow light). > > Does the car with the flashing red light have any > right to go before all cars have proceeded throught > the yellow flashing light? What responsibilities do > cars going through a flashing yellow have? > > Thanks > > ===== > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 11:16:23 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Traffic Rule Question On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > Flashing red is like a stop sign, flashing yellow means you have the > rightaway. The car at the flashing red must yield to ALL cars on the > other road. > > Flashing yellow means just go, but watch out for the piss poor drivers > coming the other way that get confused. :) Virginia code: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-833 I'm no lawyer, and it looks like the statute was poorly written, but it looks like it doesn't actually say that the people who have the flashing red have to yield right-of-way, or even to yield to others in the intersection -- only that they have to stop before entering the interesection. This appears like it would cover yielding right of way, but, it specifically says that it doesn't cover intersections which are controlled by a traffic signal: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-826 hmm. > -Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:57 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Traffic Rule Question > > > > > > I think I know the answer to this, but need to > > confirm. > > > > 4-way intersection with lights. One set of lights > > (east-west) flashing Red. The other set (north-south) > > flashing yellow. Road is oneway south to north and > > oneway west to east. > > > > Many Veichles approaching from south to north. They > > are proceeding through the yellow light. > > > > A single veichle comes from west to east to the > > flashing red. Veichle stops for a few cars, but after > > a while just takes off through the intersection > > (perhaps one of the veichles going north slowed down > > and may have been thinking about stopping). As the > > veichle goes from a stop it almost creams me coming > > throught he intersection (with a yellow light). > > > > Does the car with the flashing red light have any > > right to go before all cars have proceeded throught > > the yellow flashing light? What responsibilities do > > cars going through a flashing yellow have? > > > > Thanks > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 11:19:19 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Traffic Rule Question To: "Daniel H. Brown" Cc: DC Cycles This was in DC, BTW. I had the right away, but we all know that does not mean squat if you get hit. The woman almost had a heart attack as I bore down on her right passenger door, horn blaring, on the break. I managed to stop only leaving a slight rubber mark on her door. --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > > > Flashing red is like a stop sign, flashing yellow > means you have the > > rightaway. The car at the flashing red must yield > to ALL cars on the > > other road. > > > > Flashing yellow means just go, but watch out for > the piss poor drivers > > coming the other way that get confused. :) > > Virginia code: > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-833 > > I'm no lawyer, and it looks like the statute was > poorly written, but it > looks like it doesn't actually say that the people > who have the flashing > red have to yield right-of-way, or even to yield to > others in the > intersection -- only that they have to stop before > entering the > interesection. > > This appears like it would cover yielding right of > way, but, it > specifically says that it doesn't cover > intersections which are > controlled by a traffic signal: > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-826 > > hmm. > > > > -Jim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Kitchell > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:57 AM > > > To: DC Cycles > > > Subject: Traffic Rule Question > > > > > > > > > I think I know the answer to this, but need to > > > confirm. > > > > > > 4-way intersection with lights. One set of > lights > > > (east-west) flashing Red. The other set > (north-south) > > > flashing yellow. Road is oneway south to north > and > > > oneway west to east. > > > > > > Many Veichles approaching from south to north. > They > > > are proceeding through the yellow light. > > > > > > A single veichle comes from west to east to the > > > flashing red. Veichle stops for a few cars, but > after > > > a while just takes off through the intersection > > > (perhaps one of the veichles going north slowed > down > > > and may have been thinking about stopping). As > the > > > veichle goes from a stop it almost creams me > coming > > > throught he intersection (with a yellow light). > > > > > > Does the car with the flashing red light have > any > > > right to go before all cars have proceeded > throught > > > the yellow flashing light? What > responsibilities do > > > cars going through a flashing yellow have? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 11:33:08 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:33:26 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Moto Tote At 09:19 PM 8/3/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >As to weighting the rear >suspension, even my pimp-daddy SUV ;-) can carry a LOT more weight in the >rear than a motorcycle (~600 lbs w/mount) can deliver. I wouldn't be so sure about that...check your hitch specs. My Grand Cherokee hitch will haul up to 6000 lbs, but the tongue weight limit is only about 500 lbs. In the case of the Moto Tote, the tongue weight is what you care about, as the entire weight of the bike and Tote are on the hitch vertically. You've also got a suspension problem in that the lever arm is a lot longer than if you had the same weight in the back seat, or even the cargo area. Besides dragging the rear end, you've also got the possibility of lifting the weight off the front wheels and affecting steering. Maybe it will work on your setup, but it wouldn't on mine...if the bike was much bigger than my old XT-550 anyway (315 lbs wet). I certainly wouldn't try to haul an FLSTC on it... :^) -- Mike Bartman **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 11:39:13 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Moto Tote Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:37:51 -0400 That was my first impression also but GMC (maker of Wayne's pimp-daddy SUV) says that the tongue weight of 10-15% of the 7800 towing capacity is ok. That would be more than enough for a 500-600lb bike. Don't think I would do it on my Durango even with the 7400lb towing capacity though... I'd be afraid I need to step on the front brakes hard and there wouldn't be enough weight on them. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:33 AM > To: Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Moto Tote > > > At 09:19 PM 8/3/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >As to weighting the rear > >suspension, even my pimp-daddy SUV ;-) can carry a LOT more > weight in the > >rear than a motorcycle (~600 lbs w/mount) can deliver. > > I wouldn't be so sure about that...check your hitch specs. My Grand > Cherokee hitch will haul up to 6000 lbs, but the tongue > weight limit is > only about 500 lbs. In the case of the Moto Tote, the tongue > weight is > what you care about, as the entire weight of the bike and > Tote are on the > hitch vertically. > > You've also got a suspension problem in that the lever arm is > a lot longer > than if you had the same weight in the back seat, or even the > cargo area. > Besides dragging the rear end, you've also got the > possibility of lifting > the weight off the front wheels and affecting steering. > > Maybe it will work on your setup, but it wouldn't on > mine...if the bike was > much bigger than my old XT-550 anyway (315 lbs wet). I > certainly wouldn't > try to haul an FLSTC on it... :^) > > -- Mike Bartman > > ************************************************************** > ************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered > Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles > Stimulated * > *------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too > high! * > ************************************************************** > ************** > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 11:39:31 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:53:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Moto Tote On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > I wouldn't be so sure about that...check your hitch specs. My Grand > Cherokee hitch will haul up to 6000 lbs, but the tongue weight limit is > only about 500 lbs. In the case of the Moto Tote, the tongue weight is > what you care about, as the entire weight of the bike and Tote are on the > hitch vertically. It depends greatly on your vehicle. A Jeep Grand Cherokee is a pretty small SUV. I've seen guys towing cars with them... scary. You can get receiver hitches with tongue weight ratings (non weight dist) of 500-1000lbs. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 11:54:14 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:50:12 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Traffic Rule Question At 07:56 AM 8/4/03 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Does the car with the flashing red light have any >right to go before all cars have proceeded throught >the yellow flashing light? What responsibilities do >cars going through a flashing yellow have? Flashing red is the same as a stop sign. You stop, you yield to oncoming traffic, and you go. Flashing yellow is caution...sort of like a yield sign. You have right of way over those with flashing red, but you should be careful about it. When it's four way red flashing it's just like a four way stop sign...everyone stops, and the one with right of way goes first (first one there, with car to the right breaking ties). -- Mike "when on a bike I'm happy to yield to anyone if they insist even a little" Bartman -- **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 12:24:13 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:23:58 -0400 From: "David Wakefield" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Question on older HD bagger ignition. . . My mom recently had my late father's old '81 AMF HD Tourglide put back together (running condition, anyway), and we're having trouble figuring out how to get the forks locked. The ignition key goes into a knob-looking thing. The key itself has a locked and unlocked position, and the knob has 5 settings: fork lock, off, on, lights, and access. With the key in or out, the knob will move freely between the last 4 settings (requires key to get out of access), but we can't get it into the fork lock position at all. The way it is, anyone can just walk up, start the bike and ride it away without the key. Is there a trick to getting the ignition knob into the fork lock position, or is it simply broken? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 12:57:41 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:56:30 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: David Wakefield CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question on older HD bagger ignition. . . David Wakefield wrote: > My mom recently had my late father's old '81 AMF HD Tourglide put back > together (running condition, anyway), and we're having trouble figuring > out how to get the forks locked. > > The ignition key goes into a knob-looking thing. The key itself has a > locked and unlocked position, and the knob has 5 settings: fork lock, > off, on, lights, and access. > > With the key in or out, the knob will move freely between the last 4 > settings (requires key to get out of access), but we can't get it into > the fork lock position at all. The way it is, anyone can just walk up, > start the bike and ride it away without the key. > > Is there a trick to getting the ignition knob into the fork lock > position, or is it simply broken? Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks. My bagger is a `93. The TRICK? On mine, and probably yours, you have to push down on the knob thinger to get it over to fork lock. Use the barrel key to set the actual lock in locked position, turn handlebars all the way left *click*, forks be locked. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:00:13 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:59:55 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dwakefield@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question on older HD bagger ignition. . . X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 I know my R6 is nothing compared to your bagger but, to lock the forks on it, you have to have them turned all the way left, push key in and turn it to the lock position. If you don't push it in, it doesn't go to lock. Don't know if this'll help or not. Scooter In a message dated 8/4/2003 12:23:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dwakefield@XXXXXX writes: > > > My mom recently had my late father's old '81 AMF HD Tourglide put back > together (running condition, anyway), and we're having trouble figuring > out how to get the forks locked. > > The ignition key goes into a knob-looking thing. The key itself has a > locked and unlocked position, and the knob has 5 settings: fork lock, > off, on, lights, and access. > > With the key in or out, the knob will move freely between the last 4 > settings (requires key to get out of access), but we can't get it into > the fork lock position at all. The way it is, anyone can just walk up, > start the bike and ride it away without the key. > > Is there a trick to getting the ignition knob into the fork > lock > position, or is it simply broken? Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:03:49 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:03:28 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dwakefield@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question on older HD bagger ignition. . . X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 How 'bout that? I was actually pretty close to giving the correct answer. :-) Scooter In a message dated 8/4/2003 12:56:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > David Wakefield wrote: > > > My mom recently had my late father's old '81 AMF HD Tourglide put back > > together (running condition, anyway), and we're having trouble figuring > > out how to get the forks locked. > > > > The ignition key goes into a knob-looking thing. The key itself has a > > locked and unlocked position, and the knob has 5 settings: fork lock, > > off, on, lights, and access. > > > > With the key in or out, the knob will move freely between the last 4 > > settings (requires key to get out of access), but we can't get it into > > the fork lock position at all. The way it is, anyone can just walk up, > > start the bike and ride it away without the key. > > > > Is there a trick to getting the ignition knob into the fork lock > > position, or is it simply broken? Any help is appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > My bagger is a `93. The TRICK? On mine, and probably yours, you have to > push down on the knob thinger to get it over to fork lock. Use the barrel > key to set the actual lock in locked position, turn > handlebars all the way > left *click*, forks be locked. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:06:13 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:05:33 -0400 A bud of mine is moving up from his first m/c (an extensively road-tested 1981 KZ750), which successfully got him from his post-MSF stage through his first year. He has his heart set on a mid-size or larger cruiser. I know nothing about cruisers, so I have two questions: (1) Dealerships? Romney is a start... (2) Bike recommendations? He's 6' and 200lbs or so. Price is an issue. Thanks, all. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:12:57 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Question on older HD bagger ignition. . . On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > My bagger is a `93. The TRICK? On mine, and probably yours, you have to > push down on the knob thinger to get it over to fork lock. Use the barrel > key to set the actual lock in locked position, turn handlebars all the way > left *click*, forks be locked. > > Bill Hrm, I thought those older Harleys didn't have an integral fork lock. You used a padlock on the front, locking the forks to the front of the frame. There should be a loop there for this. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:17:39 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > A bud of mine is moving up from his first m/c (an extensively road-tested > 1981 KZ750), which successfully got him from his post-MSF stage through his > first year. He has his heart set on a mid-size or larger cruiser. I know > nothing about cruisers, so I have two questions: > > (1) Dealerships? Romney is a start... My local dealer (JT Motorsports) matched Romney's pricing when I was shopping for my Hayabusa. The only thing I can recommend is to go to a large dealership where he can test ride the used bikes. I just checked Battley Cycles and they have 2 decent cruisers listed - http://www.battley.com/pre_owned_list.asp?sid=05163385X8K4K2003J12I14I48JPMQ246R0 Both low miles and appear to be price reasonably. Any reason why he's not looking private sale, since money is an issue? > (2) Bike recommendations? He's 6' and 200lbs or so. Price is an issue. Have you ridden with him? How do you think he'd handle a larger bike? IMO, most cruisers are pretty easy to ride and generally don't have near the acceleration of bikes 1/2 their displacement. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:27:29 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:23:12 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [151.196.120.82] at Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:27:19 -0500 Jon Strang wrote: >A bud of mine is moving up from his first m/c (an extensively road-tested >1981 KZ750), which successfully got him from his post-MSF stage through his >first year. He has his heart set on a mid-size or larger cruiser. I know >nothing about cruisers, so I have two questions: > >(1) Dealerships? Romney is a start... >(2) Bike recommendations? He's 6' and 200lbs or so. Price is an issue. > John, I'm that tall, plus I've got a hell of a beer belly. My Marauder has a lot of bang for the buck. http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_03/cruiser/fs_vl1500.htm Click on the Marauder MSRP $5,999 Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:27:47 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:27:29 -0400 Thanks, Wayne, I'll pass along the info. ----------------- Wayne wrote: > Any reason why he's not looking private sale, since money is an issue? I'm trying to get him to think that way, but he's stuck on new. > Have you ridden with him? How do you think he'd handle a larger bike? I don't think he'll have any problem with any cruiser V-twin. Also, he's mid 30s, and generally pretty happy with maintaining full functionality of all his body parts. In other words, he knows his limitations and is content to stay well within them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 13:30:52 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:30:29 -0400 Thanks, Steven. He's actually looked at the Marauder and liked it... --jon ----- Steven wrote: > I'm that tall, plus I've got a hell of a beer belly. My > Marauder has a lot of bang for the buck. > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_03/cruiser/fs_vl1500.htm Click on the > Marauder MSRP $5,999 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:00:11 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX : > > (1) Dealerships? Romney is a start... > (2) Bike recommendations? He's 6' and 200lbs or so. > Price is an issue. > Cycle Sport in Alexandria had some pretty nice prices when I was there a couple of weeks ago, especially on the new '03's in the 750-1000cc range. I have never had any problems doing business with them, but that has been strictly limited to parts purchases. Loudon Motorsports also had some great prices, moreso with the cruisers than with the sportbikes. This was a couple of weeks ago but I can't imagine them going up, since everyone's trying to move all the '03's no one bought during the monsoon season. But I have never actually done business with them. Hope this helps a little! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:06:13 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's To: dcpatti , Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- dcpatti wrote: > > Loudon Motorsports also had some great prices, moreso > with the cruisers than with the sportbikes. This was a > couple of weeks ago but I can't imagine them going up, > since everyone's trying to move all the '03's no one > bought during the monsoon season. But I have never > actually done business with them. consider yourself lucky! (see archives for loudon motorsport thrashing.) -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:25:25 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:25:14 EDT Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/4/2003 1:06:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > (2) Bike recommendations? Any recommendations I/we could make would be of little use. We may have something to say about a particular bike, like bad tranny or whatever _but_! A bike is a TOY! If it dont tickle your cookies it just aint gonna work. Your buddy needs to look at and sit on _every_ bike he/she can find, there should be one out there that grabbs a hold of em and will not let go. On the chance there are two or more of them, well then we can give an opinion. (our opinions will not agree, but we will give one anyhow.) This should be fun. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:30:24 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:30:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > Any recommendations I/we could make would be of little use. We may have > something to say about a particular bike, like bad tranny or whatever _but_! > A bike is a TOY! I'm actually sorta surprised to see you say that. I think, for many of us here, that a bike is more than just a toy. YMMV. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:33:14 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:33:02 EDT Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/4/2003 2:00:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: > Cycle Sport in Alexandria had some pretty nice prices > > Loudon Motorsports also had some great prices, Price be damned! This seems like a newer rider that needs to find a dealer that will support him/her. Find a dealer that will be there when you need them, not just a price buster. I am willing (and have) paid more to a dealer I can work with. I know we can give opinions on dealers..... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:45:20 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists? Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:45:13 -0400 http://www.vcomonline.org/ Anyone have any thoughts or opinions about this organization? Or about Tom McGrath, "the motorcycle lawyer?" The group seems to take credit for stuff that I think others deserve credit for (like M/Cs in the HOV lanes), and seems to be at least in part an advertising effort for Tom McGrath. OTOH, maybe it is really accomplishing some good stuff. (However, it's latest "triumph" seems to be eliminating the ban on handlebars more than 15 inches high, which I'm not sure is a good idea). What's the wisdom of the list? Is this organization worth contributing to or not? Thanks, Bob Meyer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:48:23 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:48:15 EDT Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/4/2003 2:30:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > I'm actually sorta surprised to see you say that. I think, for many of > us here, that a bike is more than just a toy. Well, I just developed a rash.... The bottom line is that none of us _needs_ a bike, scratch, scratch, itch, itch, we need transportation but a cage is more efficient year round, which is why most of us have cages in addition to our bikes. When we realize this it gets rid of the bullshit "reasons" for buying a bike that can lead to making a bad choice. A bike with saddle bags a trunk is more practical, you can use it to shop for groceries and ferry the S. O. to work.... Yea bullshit! If you do not buy what you really want you will live to regret your purchase. (I am sometimes jealous of weekend and fair weather riders, their choice in bikes is wide open. All weather, primary transportation riders (like me) need a "do it all" bike and that limits options. There are some bikes out there I would love to have (Ducks) but there is no way one will do everything _I_ need a bike to do.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:48:31 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists? To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX "A lawyer than can make juries understand motorcycling AND your injuries" This from a guy with a picture of him riding helmetless..... --- Bob Meyer wrote: > http://www.vcomonline.org/ > > Anyone have any thoughts or opinions about this > organization? Or about Tom McGrath, "the motorcycle > lawyer?" > > The group seems to take credit for stuff that I > think others deserve credit for (like M/Cs in the > HOV lanes), and seems to be at least in part an > advertising effort for Tom McGrath. OTOH, maybe it > is really accomplishing some good stuff. (However, > it's latest "triumph" seems to be eliminating the > ban on handlebars more than 15 inches high, which > I'm not sure is a good idea). > > What's the wisdom of the list? Is this organization > worth contributing to or not? > > Thanks, > > Bob Meyer > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 14:55:08 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:54:45 -0400 From: rust To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 1990 FZR400 Reply-To: rust@XXXXXX Ok, My FZR400 really must go! 15.4k miles. stock + ohlins rear shock. $2400 pictures and more info: http://www.thornflux.com/fzr400/ -Eric _________________________________________________________ This mail sent using V-webmail - http://www.v-webmail.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:02:39 2003 Subject: E-Bay Listing From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Aug 2003 14:58:25 -0400 Heh, Rita bought a pair of "fits over glasses" goggles which don't. She's been trying to get a response from the guy on e-bay to get a refund and has been getting the cold shoulder. Revenge only costs 30 cents: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34355&item=2426597830 or just search 2426597830 Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:12:42 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: E-Bay Listing To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Heh, > > Rita bought a pair of "fits over glasses" goggles > which don't. She's > been trying to get a response from the guy on e-bay to > get a refund and > has been getting the cold shoulder. > > Revenge only costs 30 cents: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34355&item=2426597830 > > or just search 2426597830 revenge might only cost $0.30 today, but, with the right lawyer, thou$ands tomorrow! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:21:09 2003 Subject: Re: E-Bay Listing From: Carl Schelin To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Aug 2003 15:16:55 -0400 On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 15:12, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Heh, > > > > Rita bought a pair of "fits over glasses" goggles > > which don't. She's > > been trying to get a response from the guy on e-bay to > > get a refund and > > has been getting the cold shoulder. > > > > Revenge only costs 30 cents: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34355&item=2426597830 > > > > or just search 2426597830 > > revenge might only cost $0.30 today, but, with the right > lawyer, thou$ands tomorrow! > Why? Nothing she said was false. She even tried the ebay mediation which failed. And she's even trying to pass on information about the goggles themselves; don't buy these without the correct glasses (I though she'd need some sort of inset glasses rather than hers). Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:25:26 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: E-Bay Listing On 4 Aug 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > revenge might only cost $0.30 today, but, with the right > > lawyer, thou$ands tomorrow! > > > > Why? Nothing she said was false. The truth only matters on the X-Files. Whoever has the best lawyer, wins. Tom, or other Esq's correct me if I'm wrong, but the word here is "libel" ?? (not Liable, which among other things, isn't a noun) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:29:41 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:30:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: FS: 1990 FZR400 >http://www.thornflux.com/fzr400/ > >-Eric Man, what a beauty! An *un-raced* '90 FZR400? Pretty rare....wish I had $2.4k kicking around... -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:42:03 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:40:58 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/4/2003 2:30:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > brown@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm actually sorta surprised to see you say that. I think, for many of > > us here, that a bike is more than just a toy. > > Well, I just developed a rash.... > > The bottom line is that none of us _needs_ a bike, scratch, scratch, itch, > itch, we need transportation but a cage is more efficient year round, which is > why most of us have cages in addition to our bikes. When we realize this it > gets rid of the bullshit "reasons" for buying a bike that can lead to making a > bad choice. A bike with saddle bags a trunk is more practical, you can use it to > shop for groceries and ferry the S. O. to work.... > Yea bullshit! > If you do not buy what you really want you will live to regret your purchase. > > (I am sometimes jealous of weekend and fair weather riders, their choice in > bikes is wide open. All weather, primary transportation riders (like me) need a > "do it all" bike and that limits options. There are some bikes out there I > would love to have (Ducks) but there is no way one will do everything _I_ need > a bike to do.) > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC I agree. Rational reasons for riding are just that, rationalitys. We ride because it's COOL! It's a giggle! Where else can you get a stiffy without saying I love you and buying her roses? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:42:15 2003 Subject: Re: E-Bay Listing From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Aug 2003 15:38:02 -0400 On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 15:25, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On 4 Aug 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > revenge might only cost $0.30 today, but, with the right > > > lawyer, thou$ands tomorrow! > > > > > > > Why? Nothing she said was false. > > The truth only matters on the X-Files. Whoever has the best lawyer, wins. > > Tom, or other Esq's correct me if I'm wrong, but the word here is > "libel" ?? > I dunno. Libel is still "A false publication that damages a persons reputation". You could get that for just the negative review and it's not false. Ah well, we won't live in fear of lawyers. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:47:24 2003 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:46:12 -0400 Dude! Remind me to never have you ride pillion on my bike... ;^) Perry >From: "William J. Huson" >To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:40:58 -0400 > snip >I agree. Rational reasons for riding are just that, rationalitys. We ride >because >it's COOL! It's a giggle! Where else can you get a stiffy without saying >I love >you and buying her roses? > >Bill > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:49:58 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's To: "William J. Huson" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > I agree. Rational reasons for riding are just that, > rationalitys. We ride because > it's COOL! It's a giggle! Where else can you get a > stiffy without saying I love > you and buying her roses? check out the washington post sports page for the nearest massage parlor "grand opening".... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 15:55:57 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:55:34 -0400 From: rust To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: 1990 FZR400 Reply-To: rust@XXXXXX Sean Jordan wrote: > > >http://www.thornflux.com/fzr400/ > > > >-Eric > > Man, what a beauty! An *un-raced* '90 FZR400? Pretty rare....wish I had > $2.4k kicking around... Yes sir, a rare bird indeed! I even have to stock shock for it. I bought it with the intent on getting on the track, then promptly lost my garage space and it ended up as my everyday ride instead. I think it's worth more than $2.4k,but it's gotta go. -Eric _________________________________________________________ This mail sent using V-webmail - http://www.v-webmail.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 16:22:35 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:22:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: E-Bay Listing To: Carl Schelin Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 15:12, Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Heh, > > > > > > Rita bought a pair of "fits over glasses" goggles > > > which don't. She's > > > been trying to get a response from the guy on e-bay > to > > > get a refund and > > > has been getting the cold shoulder. > > > > > > Revenge only costs 30 cents: > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34355&item=2426597830 > > > > > > or just search 2426597830 > > > > revenge might only cost $0.30 today, but, with the > right > > lawyer, thou$ands tomorrow! > > > > Why? Nothing she said was false. don't be so sure about that! do these things "not fit over glasses" or just "not fit over rita's glasses"? that said, i wasn't specifically referring to libel/slander/defamation. it seems to me that, rather than wait for a refund of some piddly amount, rita has decided to publicly flog the seller. "DO NOT BUY! DO NOT BUY!" seems a bit excessive. does it reach the tortious interference with contract level? who knows. will anything come of it? not likely, but.... > She even tried the ebay > mediation which > failed. And she's even trying to pass on information > about the goggles > themselves; don't buy these without the correct glasses > (I though she'd > need some sort of inset glasses rather than hers). and you may make a wonderful witness for the plaintiff, my friend! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 16:28:44 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:28:26 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dcpatti@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 I second the Cycle Sport recommendation. I bought my R6 off of them and have had every bike I've owned services by them. Nice folks. Scooter In a message dated 8/4/2003 1:59:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: > > > : > > > > (1) Dealerships? Romney is a start... > > (2) Bike recommendations? He's 6' and 200lbs or so. > > Price is an issue. > > > Cycle Sport in Alexandria had some pretty nice prices > when I was there a couple of weeks ago, especially on > the new '03's in the 750-1000cc range. I have never > had any problems doing business with them, but that > has been strictly limited to parts purchases. > > Loudon Motorsports also had some great prices, moreso > with the cruisers than with the sportbikes. This was a > couple of weeks ago but I can't imagine them going up, > since everyone's trying to move all the '03's no one > bought during the monsoon season. But I have never > actually done business with them. > > Hope this helps a little! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 16:30:04 2003 Subject: Re: E-Bay Listing From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Aug 2003 16:25:50 -0400 On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 16:22, Tom Gimer wrote: > don't be so sure about that! do these things "not fit over > glasses" or just "not fit over rita's glasses"? Yea, good point there. She does have rather small glasses though. > that said, > i wasn't specifically referring to > libel/slander/defamation. it seems to me that, rather than > wait for a refund of some piddly amount, It's not like she waited a day or two, she's been trying to get a response from this guy for a month. > rita has decided > to publicly flog the seller. She does that in the feed back section. > "DO NOT BUY! DO NOT BUY!" > seems a bit excessive. does it reach the tortious > interference with contract level? who knows. will > anything come of it? not likely, but.... > > > She even tried the ebay > > mediation which > > failed. And she's even trying to pass on information > > about the goggles > > themselves; don't buy these without the correct glasses > > > > (I though she'd > > need some sort of inset glasses rather than hers). > > and you may make a wonderful witness for the plaintiff, my > friend! > Then I'll keep my trap shut :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 17:10:07 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: BikeNight Reminder To: DC Cycles Hope to see many of you there: Yes, we're going to do a Bike Night this year. Sunday, August 10th, 5-9pm. Grevey's Restaurant & Sports Bar, 8130 Arlington Blvd., Falls Church, VA (intersection of Route 50 and Gallows Rd.), www.greveys.com. But this will be more than the "usual" Bike Night. This particular Bike Night will be in memory of my good friend Pete Wysocki, who recently passed away after losing his battle with cancer. I'm sure many of you remember Pete from his years as a Redsking. Some (many?) of you met Pete at previous Bike Nights. He was an avid motorcyclist and the guy who got me into motorcycling. He loved coming to Bike Nights, looking at all the different motorcycles, and talking with everyone. And his being at Bike Nights was never about Pete -- it was always about the motorcycles and him getting to meet the people that rode them. Kevin Grevey has generously agreed to donate a portion of the evening's proceeds to a local cancer-related charity. I'm still working with Gretchen Thompson (Pete's fiancee) to determine the exact charity. Direct contributions would also be welcomed and appreciated. When I have all the details finalized, I'll post all the relevant info on the Bike Night web page www.geocities.com/bikenight. In the meantime, please pass this info along to anyone and everyone else in the motorcycling community. Let's get a big crowd and see if we can't break triple digits for the number of motorcycles. I know Pete would be smiling and want to see them all. Chuck ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 17:24:22 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Tire blew out today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was on the SE expressway this morning doing about 60 mph when my rear tire blew out. At first when I heard the noise I thought it was a backfire, but then my bike started fishtailing and I knew something was wrong. Luckily I was in the right hand lane and was able to bring the bike to a stop on the shoulder w/o going down. An unnerving few seconds. I've got nearly 9k miles on the bike, which had its original tires (Dunlop). When I looked at the rear tire, it was nearly completely bald. I was stunned. I should never have been riding on those tires (the front was better, but still not great). How the hell long are moto tires supposed to last? I probably should've changed these 1500-2000 miles ago. jib __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 17:30:41 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:18:08 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: DCCycles Subject: Selling my cage..shameless plug... Hey Gang, I app. for taking a slot for personal reasons but I'm leaving the country soon and am trying to sell my cage. I figgured I'd give it a shot if anyone is interested or knows anyone interested. What it is: -1989 Acura Integra 2 Door hatch -Red/black -5 speed -218k (I know it's high but these cars run forever and was mostly hwy.) -Recently replaced: engine oil, trans fluid, fuel filter, rear lift gate supports, air filter -Pirelli P4000 tires (~4500miles on them) -Alloy wheels -4 wheel disc brakes -Trailer hitch w/ ball and light harness -Alpine head unit -Upgraded interior speakers -Recently replaced front shocks with KYB's -Bought rear shocks but didn't install - still in box, will include. -Heavy duty clutch -No Rust Could use: -Allignment -Better springs -Tune/up- FI flush. -Has A/C installed but is now disconnected. Asking: $1000. $50 to anyone if they playbroker dude for succesful sale. Thanks, Carlo (703.587.4135) And now back to yout regularly scheduled banter... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 17:35:42 2003 Subject: Re: Tire blew out today From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Aug 2003 17:31:27 -0400 Mine lasted until 16,500 but they were in the same state as yours. I was riding real careful until I got them changed. Of course everything depends on your driving style. Having a Harley, I normally don't hit the twisties. Most of my riding is commuting with some touring/twisties thrown in for good measure. What are you riding? Carl On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 17:24, Isaac Blanck wrote: > I was on the SE expressway this morning doing about 60 > mph when my rear tire blew out. At first when I heard > the noise I thought it was a backfire, but then my > bike started fishtailing and I knew something was > wrong. Luckily I was in the right hand lane and was > able to bring the bike to a stop on the shoulder w/o > going down. An unnerving few seconds. I've got > nearly 9k miles on the bike, which had its original > tires (Dunlop). When I looked at the rear tire, it > was nearly completely bald. I was stunned. I should > never have been riding on those tires (the front was > better, but still not great). How the hell long are > moto tires supposed to last? I probably should've > changed these 1500-2000 miles ago. jib > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 17:39:30 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Tire blew out today On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Isaac Blanck wrote: > nearly 9k miles on the bike, which had its original > tires (Dunlop). When I looked at the rear tire, it > was nearly completely bald. I was stunned. I should > never have been riding on those tires (the front was > better, but still not great). How the hell long are > moto tires supposed to last? I probably should've > changed these 1500-2000 miles ago. jib It really depends on the bike. High perf bikes that are ridden hard, 3000-5000 miles out of a rear and 10k out of the fronts is normal. Do you have a chain drive bike? If so, I'd get under there and clean/lube the chain. That's a perfect time to be inspecting the tires, shocks, cables and such. I'm in there every ~500 miles cleaning and lubing mine. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 17:49:56 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:49:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Tire blew out today To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I ride a Suzuki Marauder (cruiser), 2001; it's got a chain. I do a combination of city riding and weekend trips. Probably just your average riding, not particularly hard or easy. I took it to the dealer because it was due for some routine maintenance, but in the future, is there a better and/or cheaper place to get reliable tires? jib --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Mine lasted until 16,500 but they were in the same > state as yours. I was > riding real careful until I got them changed. > > Of course everything depends on your driving style. > Having a Harley, I > normally don't hit the twisties. Most of my riding > is commuting with > some touring/twisties thrown in for good measure. > > What are you riding? > > Carl > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 17:24, Isaac Blanck wrote: > > I was on the SE expressway this morning doing > about 60 > > mph when my rear tire blew out. At first when I > heard > > the noise I thought it was a backfire, but then my > > bike started fishtailing and I knew something was > > wrong. Luckily I was in the right hand lane and > was > > able to bring the bike to a stop on the shoulder > w/o > > going down. An unnerving few seconds. I've got > > nearly 9k miles on the bike, which had its > original > > tires (Dunlop). When I looked at the rear tire, > it > > was nearly completely bald. I was stunned. I > should > > never have been riding on those tires (the front > was > > better, but still not great). How the hell long > are > > moto tires supposed to last? I probably should've > > changed these 1500-2000 miles ago. jib > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 17:58:15 2003 Subject: Re: Tire blew out today From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 04 Aug 2003 17:54:02 -0400 http://www.discountmotorcycletire.com is where I got mine. I used Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads to change them. Search back a few days for various listings of other recommendations for local shops if you're not in that area. Carl On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 17:49, Isaac Blanck wrote: > I ride a Suzuki Marauder (cruiser), 2001; it's got a > chain. I do a combination of city riding and weekend > trips. Probably just your average riding, not > particularly hard or easy. I took it to the dealer > because it was due for some routine maintenance, but > in the future, is there a better and/or cheaper place > to get reliable tires? jib > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Mine lasted until 16,500 but they were in the same > > state as yours. I was > > riding real careful until I got them changed. > > > > Of course everything depends on your driving style. > > Having a Harley, I > > normally don't hit the twisties. Most of my riding > > is commuting with > > some touring/twisties thrown in for good measure. > > > > What are you riding? > > > > Carl > > > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 17:24, Isaac Blanck wrote: > > > I was on the SE expressway this morning doing > > about 60 > > > mph when my rear tire blew out. At first when I > > heard > > > the noise I thought it was a backfire, but then my > > > bike started fishtailing and I knew something was > > > wrong. Luckily I was in the right hand lane and > > was > > > able to bring the bike to a stop on the shoulder > > w/o > > > going down. An unnerving few seconds. I've got > > > nearly 9k miles on the bike, which had its > > original > > > tires (Dunlop). When I looked at the rear tire, > > it > > > was nearly completely bald. I was stunned. I > > should > > > never have been riding on those tires (the front > > was > > > better, but still not great). How the hell long > > are > > > moto tires supposed to last? I probably should've > > > changed these 1500-2000 miles ago. jib > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 18:03:02 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Price be damned! This seems like a newer rider that > needs to find a dealer > that will support him/her. Find a dealer that will > be there when you need them, > not just a price buster In theory, yes, but this guy has a wide circle of riding friends who can help with tips on riding, wrenching, and dealing with the dealership. I really think he is looking for a price buster. I've always turned first to my friends/mentors for advice and help, then to books/manuals. But then again, I've never bought a bike new. Let someone else eat the depreciation and all. Realistically, though, what kind of stuff will a dealer do for you? I'm not being sarcastic so please don't read that wrong! I'm really wondering what you can expect from a dealer in terms of support, when you buy a new bike. I'd personally think all dealers are the same, since the warranty comes from the manufacturer and you can take it to any shop from the same manufacturer, if it needs warranty work, so why not go to the cheapest guy? So what will a good dealer do for you, that a bad dealer won't? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 18:15:03 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Q1: dealerships & Q2: cruiser rec's On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, dcpatti wrote: > So what will a good dealer do for you, that a bad > dealer won't? My dealer offered a discount on parts when I purchased my bike there. I've since built a relationship with the parts guys and get an even bigger discount. For me, a relationship with a vendor (like the dealer) is purely monetary. If they offer me the same discounts that I can receive online, I will buy there and also send business their way. I have done with with automotive parts, too. I was able to setup a discount account at my local GM dealer for parts and often receive parts near actual cost. I have sent at least 100 people to them in return for the great prices and they have always passed on the discounts to people that I referred. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 21:28:47 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:27:41 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Isaac Blanck CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire blew out today Isaac Blanck wrote: > I was on the SE expressway this morning doing about 60 > mph when my rear tire blew out. At first when I heard > the noise I thought it was a backfire, but then my > bike started fishtailing and I knew something was > wrong. Luckily I was in the right hand lane and was > able to bring the bike to a stop on the shoulder w/o > going down. An unnerving few seconds. I've got > nearly 9k miles on the bike, which had its original > tires (Dunlop). When I looked at the rear tire, it > was nearly completely bald. I was stunned. I should > never have been riding on those tires (the front was > better, but still not great). How the hell long are > moto tires supposed to last? I probably should've > changed these 1500-2000 miles ago. jib T-CLOKS pre-ride inspection. The T stands for TIRES!!! If you had no clue you were riding on a baldie, I doubt you've checked tire pressure since the dealer kicked it out the door. You got lucky. Unless you're a cat with nine lives, learn T-CLOKS and use it! (page 15 in your Basic Rider Course manual) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 21:46:49 2003 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:46:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Tire blew out today At 09:27 PM 8/4/2003, William J. Huson wrote: >T-CLOKS pre-ride inspection. The T stands for TIRES!!! If you had no >clue you were riding on a baldie, I doubt you've checked tire pressure >since the dealer kicked it out the door. You got lucky. Unless you're >a cat with nine lives, learn T-CLOKS and use it! (page 15 in your Basic >Rider Course manual) Speaking of which ... I checked my tire pressures today and they both dropped to 24 in the last three weeks. Weird - they held a steady 32 all winter and spring, except when I ran over the nail and patched the rear. No leaking on the patch though - unless I now have a nail in the front I couldn't find! I checked the pressure daily after the patch for two weeks, but I haven't been as religious about it lately. Dumb. Its so easy now with a garage and air compressor. Picked up a cool tire inflator attachment with a built in gauge. $4! No more pump-and-test. Thanks again Harbor Freight! About a month ago I had electrical problems with the VFR (shocker!) which I assumed to be another dying RR. A $40 trip to Wal-Mart and a night of charging a new battery has cured all ills. 3 years seems to be all I can get out of a battery on the bike, even though I commute on it 3-4 times a week an hour each way. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 4 22:01:01 2003 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:00:50 -0400 Subject: Cover of August Washingtonian From: Randy Moran To: DC Cycles The article is titled "What's Cool" and features several pics of bike of various types. http://www.washingtonian.com/ RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 08:04:28 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Randy Moran'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Cover of August Washingtonian Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:03:58 -0400 I saw that this morning. It said that the ducati monster was the coolest motorcycle of the year along with a plug for Rockville Harley. Can we say free ad. -----Original Message----- From: Randy Moran [mailto:rjmoran@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:01 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Cover of August Washingtonian The article is titled "What's Cool" and features several pics of bike of various types. http://www.washingtonian.com/ RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 09:03:13 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:03:07 EDT Subject: Re: Tire blew out today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/4/2003 9:47:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Picked up a cool tire inflator > attachment with a built in gauge. $4! Was the "sudden" pressure drop show up the first time you used the new gauge? I would compare your old gauge to the new one and maybe even a third. A gauge is only good if it is accurate. If it is wrong it could create more problems then it cures. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 5 09:05:14 2003 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Cover of August Washingtonian To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , "'Randy Moran'" , DC Cycles That magazine sucks! I cancelled my subscribtion over that entire issue. I stopped counting after reading the word hip 15 times. This club is hip, this restaurant is hip, etc. The day I need the Washingtonian to tell me what is hip, thats the day I move to a retirement community. mark --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > I saw that this morning. It said that the ducati > monster was the coolest > motorcycle of the year along with a plug for > Rockville Harley. Can we say > free ad. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Moran [mailto:rjmoran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:01 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Cover of August Washingtonian > > The article is titled "What's Cool" and features > several pics of bike > of various types. > > http://www.washingtonian.com/ > > RPM > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.